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960527
R E P O R T F R O M T O U L O U S E
D A V E H A Y N I E A N D P H A S E 5 -
A F E U D D E V E L O P I N G ?
V I D E O M A G A Z I N E S C H A N G E H A N D S
V I S C O R P I R C C O N F E R E N C E A N N O U N C E D
About this issue:
We begin with a report from the key meeting in Toulouse, France, that
we've been talking about for some time. The report is from an attendee who
is not a reporter but it doesn't suffer for that.
We have a long issue for you today. That's due in part to the nature of
the Amiga community right now - fragmented, changing and looking for a
clear direction. This has resulted in a lot of people with a lot to say.
Where what they're saying may affect the future of our computers, we think
it worthwhile to present it here, even if it makes for longer issues more
often.
We feel the Amiga community better find a well defined direction soon.
There are certainly enough prospects out there. However, we detect a real
lack of leadership in the community. A great number of people with ideas
egos are promoting their own visions of the future. If this continues,
there will be NO future. Folks, ours is a small community and the future
hangs by a thread. It's a business - and business decisions need to be
made. The company to make them is VIScorp - they bought the rights.
In this issue you'll read Dave Haynie's vision of the future, and thoughts
on how to get there. Dave was a leader of the old Amiga troops and a
valuable one. You'll also read phase 5's vision of the future. phase 5 is
a leader among the current supporters of the Amiga, and also a valuable
one.
None of that is of any importance to the future. It may well be time
for those who led in the past to stand aside, unless they're a part of
VIScorp's team. Same for the current supporters. VIScorp will define the
future, or it won't be defined. Amiga people can climb aboard and help if
they wish or get out of the way. We'll always remember their past
contributions fondly but we have no need for any activities, words or plans
that divide the community.
We suspect both parties in the matter documented here would bristle at the
use of the word "feud" and at this point, there may be time to prevent the
- discussions? - from creating an unbreachable gap. But it sure sounds to
us like at least the potential for a self defeating feud exists. Read what
follows and draw your own conclusions.
Brad
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Report: VISCORP Meeting, 19 May Toulouse
From: Christophe Decanini 101377.3513@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Report: Toulouse meeting
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996
Freely distributable (you can write it in better English if you don't
change the sense). I promise that I will do it for the people who were
angry about the fact that it was in France and who said they could not
come. My English is very bad, I have to practice a lot so you have to make
efforts to understand me. I may have misunderstood some things but I think
I caught the most parts of this conference. Perhaps there may be a few
mistakes.Thank you to my girlfriend Christine who helped me in the
translation.
The people from ESCOM who were present: - Bill Buck (president), Don
Gilbreath (CDTV), CARL Sassenrath (EXEC), David Rosen, Raquel Velasco (very
pretty) Eric Laffont (Consultant in France for Viscorp), Petro
Tyschtschenko (president of Amiga Technologie).
The program schedule:
8h00-10h30 VISCORP conference
10h45-12h30 Consulting Internet report
14h30-16h00 FORUM DEVELOPERS, USERS, RETAILERS, DISTRIBUTORS, PRESS
16h15-17h15 Press conference
17h30 Coktail
Bill Buck's speech:
{See issue 960523 for the complete speech - Brad}
Bill Buck opened the conference. He said that Viscorp wanted to go on
supporting and selling Amigas. He added that in 1997 there would be more
Amigas sold than there had ever been. Viscorp will support Amiga clones
like Draco and the Phase5 computer. Buck has received more than 2,000
e-mails and said he was sorry that he could not answer all the people. The
Walker project was not possible before the end of the year, so it's been
aborted. There will be a new OS before the end of the year which will
integrate networks. It will be provided with TCP/IP, PPP, SLIP, FTP, SMTP,
etc. RISCs projects are maintained but VISCORP is thinking more in the
line of the Digital ALPHA processor than of the PPC.
Bill Buck showed us the ED Set Top Box. It was not the new one with the
Amiga chipset but a 3-year old model. You operate it by a remote control.
There are 2 faces: 1 for the control ,another one for a mini keybord. It
works on TV. You have to click on a graphic menu to choose what you want
to do: My directory, Info lines, go online, gameroom, pay for view and a
setup. You can record the people you are communicating with. You can use
Compuserve services (forum, info ...). You can send FAX, internet E-Mails.
Ed is genlocked so that you can see video behind the ED display. There is
a system that enables you to pay with credit cards. Interactive TV (you
watch the film you want) was not available (you need cable). There will be
a Web browser. VISCORP showed us the prototype of the new ed main board
with Amiga chipsets.
It is based on 68EC20 like A1200 (it may change). There are 4Mb Fast RAM,
2Mb CHIP. You can add a keyboard to it (they have to decide if it's an
Amiga or PC keyboard). Viscorp will keep floppy & hardrive controlers on
this board. The OS includes all network capabilities (also a browser).
They want to increase AGA power. ED could be sold by Telecom companies.
ED is able to handle ISA CARDS???, Tuner, cable, MPEG, CDROM, Ethernet,
ISDN, DVD, DBS.
The Internet report {not sure what this is - Brad} showed that there are
Amiga fans all around the world:
22% USA
37% West Europea
8% EST Europea
5% ASIA
6% Australia
1% Africa
The Amiga fans said:
1: Don't let us down.
2: I like my Amiga.
3: I will buy a new Amiga if it stays an AMIGA.
4: They don't want to devellop for Ed if they don't have new Amigas
5: They want to spend their money for an Amiga that beats PCs.
Their Wishes:
1: Hardware to be more powerful.
2: AGA improvement.
3: Good prices.
About Phase5:
VISCORP said they tried to contact them but Phase5 didn't answer.
About actual Amigas:
They are still in production. They will be sold until the next Amiga
generation.
I was at the devellopers forum. The main questions and wishes were:
- CE approval?
- When ED available?
- When 1200 available for UK?
- Who will write the new OS.
- What tools for PowerPC.
- Standard libraries tools.
- Object oriented standard tool for GUI/IFF.
Members of Viscorp took into account these questions and will respond in a
near future. They said that they would put RKM 3.1 on the net (via Viscorp
site). It will be translated in many languages. An effort will be made
for an object oriented standard tool for GUI and IFF. VISCORP insisted on
the way that new Amigas had to exist because ED devellopers will use
Amigas. They said that if you develloped a software or a game that would
be used for ED you would gain money each time your software were used.
They showed us a 68060 board (for 4000T) that they would sold (I don't know
if it is alone or with A4000T).
Unofficial news & rumors:
There will be a middle range Amiga (not '30, not '40, so let me think about
'60). For that project VISCORP is trading with Micronik. The Alpha Amiga
(300Mhz model) will be sold for less than 4000US$. The AGA power should be
increased by 3 or more.
What people thought:
The people who were here was divided. Some of them thought that Viscorp
was a great thing for Amiga future. The others said that Viscorp would
only support ED or that ED could be a commercial mistake like CDTV. AT has
components for 1 million (1200, 4000) Amigas, so they have to sold them
quickly before the next generation (good side) or perhaps before nothing
(bad side).
IRC:
There was a "live" IRC during the meeting. The person who was typing was
someone had been taken in the crowd. Sometimes Carl took her place. I
don't know if this IRC has been published on the net.
Surprise !!!
A user came with his A1200 + 1260 board. He has changed the 50 Mhz
oscillator for a 64Mhz one. It has been working for 3 months without any
bugs. My 60@50 Mhz has 92000 Dhrystones (AIBB test with 68000 code), his
has 118000!! (Don't forget that in Motorola's specs P90 has 75000 (checkit
give the same result) and 68060 has 210000(=optimised code) He will try
soon to put a 80Mhz oscillator (=150000 Dhrystones). Bill Buck ended the
conference saying that "Viscorp will support Amiga." Hope for ALPHA and PPC
powerful AMIGAs!!!
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E X T R A C T S F R O M D A V E H A Y N I E
I N T E R V I E W P O S T E D T O T H E I N T E R N E T
Comments From Dave Haynie on the Current Situation
The following is an informal email interview conducted with Dave Haynie,
Amiga Hardware Guru-Daddy, formerly of Commodore. The interview was
conducted by Brian Sorli sorli@clas.ufl.edu of the Gainesville Amiga
Networking Group. Brian was nice enough to share the interview with The
Amiga Web Directory and its users. {Which is where we obtained these
excerpts. For you WWW browsers, there is no better site than the Amiga Web
Directory. Brad}
Subject: Haynie joins AT team
From: Dave Haynie
Reply-To: Dave Haynie
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:07 EDT
: 1. Pios - a new company born from the ashes of the old and new Amiga
: groups. Does Pios exist and how are you involved?
I guess pios officially became a company on the 15th. I'm working
under contract as their hardware guru, much in the same capacity as
when I contracting for Amiga Technologies.
: Are you in communication with Viscorp and will Pios and Viscorp work
: together?
Yes, and I hope so. I have e-talked with a few of the folks I know at
VIScorp, but they couldn't really say much. The pios strategy is
really counting on the AmigaOS, since that's the enabling OS for low
end multimedia systems (pios may offer other OSs on their standard
PPCP machine, just because that's easy to do and may let us have
product before the PowerAmiga OS is done). I'm hoping VIScorp is open
to collaboration on this. The one thing we definitely don't want is a
fragmented AmigaOS -- there has to be one API, one binary standard,
etc.
: 3. Phase 5 - I guess they just got sick of waiting for Amiga
Technologies : to make the right moves.
Perhaps, AT did take too long to start on the Power Amiga stuff (it didn't
even start happening until late last November). I suspect everyone at AT
was a victim of ESCOM's money problems, even back then (though we didn't
know about them). I also think there's a little animosity on the part of
phase 5 -- I think they were expecting more an embrace of their stuff from
AT than they got. They do, apparently, have a simple way of running an
AmigaOS emulator on a PPC with native graphics support, though they didn't
have anything ready to show last February. Since Andy and I were advising
AT, we insisted in doing things right. Their approach on the software
front is kind of a hack, and on the hardware front it's just too much like
the old Commodore; at best, they'll wind up with interesting, non-standard,
and overpriced machines that can't keep up with the rapid changes in the
industry. Computing in the 90s is radically different than it was in the
80s or 70s. Things have just gotten more complicated. Chips are far more
complex to design, so you need larger volumes to make them practical at
all, and they might last only 1/2-1/4 as long in the market as their
equivalents of 10 years ago. IC processes have gotten exponentially more
expensive, to the point that only the top IC makers in the world have
state-of-the-art fabs, and even these guys are having to get together on
the next generation fabs.
: It is ovious Phase5 has big plans for the future Power Amiga and
: alot to do with bringing the Power Amiga into existence.
The real question I have about phase 5's plan, all practical bits aside, is
this: will they sell you a Power Amiga, or a PhasePower system that,
oh-by-the-way runs Amiga 68K binaries. They're talking about writing their
own "advanced" OS as the native PPC part, and they're letting the 68K
emulator hook into some bits, like their graphics subsystem. That's not
the same thing as a real AmigaOS port, and I don't think the Amiga
community can support multiple OSs -- an Amiga runs the AmigaOS, and only
the owner of that (presumable VIScorp) gets to say just what that is and
isn't. Not to mention the fact that it takes a long time to write a good
OS. I know of three new OSs written by experienced OS people (rare, in
these days of Microsoft dominance): Scala's MMOS, the 3DO OS, and the
BeOS. Scala and 3DO took each took over three years for their OSs, and
neither was intended as a general purpose personal computer OS. Be's OS
work started five years ago, and they're still clearly in the beta testing
phase (with some modules not out of alpha yet). Either phase 5 is adpoting
some other, unnamed OS, stealing the AmigaOS, offering up an ugly hack, or
they're not shipping any new OS in 1997.
: The Pios homepage mentioned that Pios was planning on working with
: anyone and everyone to achieve the ultimate goal -- bringing the
: ultimate Power Amiga to life.
Absolutely.
: Are there any plans for Pios, Viscorp, Amiga Technologies, and
: Phase5 working together on this effort?
Folks from pios and VIScorp are meeting to talk this week. Amiga
Technologies, far as I can tell, is no longer a factor -- there are no
technical folks left there. It's either a sales arm of VIScorp, a sales
arm of ESCOM, or cancelled. It would be nice to get phase 5 to cooperate
on the PowerAmigaOS, rather than going their own way, but I don't know if
they will or not.
: We met at the Amiga Atlantic Banquet back in February...
You mean the Amiga Atlanta Banquet in January?
: and I remember how knowledgeable and up front you were with me and
: everyone you spoke with.
Well, with all we've been through, the last thing the Amiga
community needs is more bullshit. So I try to tell it like I see it, at
least as far as any NDAs permit.
: P.S. If Pios plans on working with the other groups mentioned above -
: everyone would benefit from this knowledge. Get the word out as soon as
: possible.
All of pios supports this kind of cooperation. Not that we have all that
many people yet :-).
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P H A S E 5 R E S P O N D S T O D A V E H A Y N I E
phase 5 Answers Comments Made by Dave Haynie
Date sent: Sat, 25 May 1996 18:47:36 +0200
From: Wolf Dietrich
Organization: phase 5 digital products
To: cucug@cucug.org
Subject: News Release / Open answer to Dave Haynie
Open answer on Dave Haynie's comments on the current Amiga situation of May
22 from Wolf Dietrich, General Manager phase 5 digital products, on May 25,
96 With interest I have read Dave's comments on the current Amiga
situation. As we and the Amiga are in a situation where a lot of major
decisions for the future of this system are to come, I would like to answer
some of his comments to reflect our position and partial different view of
things.
First of all, there was no animosity on our part against AT - we just
wanted to get things going, and so we started the PowerUP project in late
95 as AT wasn't giving any view or commitment. We had been offering AT all
of our support for quite a long time, and continued to do so in a situation
where there was no development, no resources, no vision; what Dave believes
to be an animosity was simply the great concern that things wouldn't go
into the right direction for the Amiga. Meanwhile, all development on AT
side is cancelled, so there is no more cooperation as there is nothing left
to cooperate in.
But let's get into some technical considerations. First of all, Dave
states that our software development is kind of a hack. Funny to hear
that, as he has not seen a single line of code, and also was not involved
in in-depth discussions about what we are doing. To simply state the
facts: For our PowerUp program, which's goal is to develop PPC upgrade
boards for existing Amiga systems, we have re-written Exec and Expansion in
PPC Natice Code, and two versions of 68k emulators to run the rest of the
OS out of the system ROM. This is not a kind of a hack, but simple the
first step which we could realize. Our plan to add a PPC native version of
CyberGraphX - which has emerged as a standard today - is just a software
add-on to increase the performance of those upgraded systems where parts of
the OS have to be emulated. This way is not very different from, for
example, having a 68040 or a 68060 library to emulate in software what is
different in the processor hardware - however, as 68k and PPC have some
significant differences, it can not simply be realized by a library or a
new setpatch, but needs a completely re-written, but fully
function-compatible Exec.
Now getting to the comments on the hardware design. First of all, I leave
it up to the public to judge if our announced systems are overpriced (see
http://www.phase5.de/ in the news section); also the non-standard argument
is missing any fundamental. I know from the technology meetings which AT,
Motorola and phase5 joined in the recent months, that Dave's vision of a
new computer is a standard PPRP mainboard, with a PPC CPU and a PCI bus and
that's it; any idea of adding something specific which would have to be
developed had been rejected by him in these discussions. But, all
innovative developments today contain some individual parts, mostly in form
of FPGAs or ASICs; it's the only way to build something that stands out of
the mass markets. We at phase 5 definitely believe that a new Amiga system
needs some unique H/W features as it had in the past; just having a ported
OS running on a standard PPRP system which also runs MacOS, WindowsNT, and
so on, would be the death of AmigaOS simple as there would be no sufficient
reason for S/W developers to continue writing their code for Amiga OS. But
even if Amiga OS would survive for some time with some application or
shareware support, it would be the death of the Vision Amiga which never
had been just another PC (no matter if there is a PPC or a Pentium inside).
As Dave's comments on the rapid changes of the industry are concerned: We
know these rapid changes, we live - succesfully - in this world. Are chips
more complex to design today? Chips are more complex, but sophisticated
design tools, powerful design workstations, and comprehensive functionality
libraries are available today for ASIC designers. Today it's possible to
start *VERY* complex designs on FPGA basis and go to the more expensive
silicon in certain stages of the development. IC processes are *NOT*
exponentially more expensive than some years ago, at least not for
companies who want to do custom designs and get strongest support from
various ASIC suppliers in the world, among them the very big names such as
Motorola. Yes, even those big ones go together to build new fabs for the
next millennium, but were we talking about building a next generation IC
fab?
As a summary of this, let me say the following: It has never been easier
even for medium-sized companies to develop own, complex and demanding
custom ICs than today. In such custom designs, visionary ideas can be
realized cheaper than ever to provide extremely powerful products. Yes, by
choosing *COMPLETELY* standard system (such as fully-assembled PPC
mainboards) the cost of a system may be reduced by some bucks - but not by
hundreds of Dollars. And that's what we, as we stated, don't want to do -
dropping great concepts and features that make up a very special and
powerful system to maybe save $25.
OK, all practical bits aside, Dave came up with the question what will come
out in the end. It's as simple as this: A computer that runs a PPC OS
which is compatible with Amiga OS. Long before this computer comes out,
*LOTS* of developers who have already joined the PowerUp program and are
supported by us can prepare their software to make use of advanced features
of this new OS, while other existing software will be running with the
current features in 68k emulation. As most professional software vendors
do support the PowerUp program, PPC native apps should be there in a
considerable quantity and quality by next year - just as, for example, many
software companies today already support the CyberGraphX standard which has
brought an Amiga-OS compatible 24-bit engine to all these programs and
those users who have a hardware that can display 24 bits of color.
As a matter of fact, what we are doing is the development for a next
generation OS which is Amiga compatible. We have decided to move on with
our projects after we had lost months of futile discussions with AT -
without those, beta developers today would have the first PPC developer
boards in their hands. We can't afford to waste more time. We do see the
problem that the Amiga community can't support multiple OSs, and we are
absolutely open to discuss these issues with the owner of the OS, probably
VIScorp, once they have time for us to talk about these things. However,
Dave Haynie and the new company PIOS, which he is working for, must also
keep this in mind. It's obviously PIOS, a new company, that starts out of
nothing (and with no recognizable concept or development behind it) and
claims for themselves to develop and market an OS "which will be recognized
by the market as the next generation of the former AMIGA OS 3.1." (as read
in their web site). This leaves a lot of questions open. We had meetings
with the PIOS top management already, who requested our support and
cooperation, so I must wonder whether Dave's comments are only given with
an intention to support PIOS' position in the market. BTW, everybody out
there may estimate if it is more realistic that an experienced hardware
manufacturer, holding an established market position, develops a powerful
custom ASIC based system, or that a startup company wants to bring the
"ultimate Power Amiga" to life and reach a larger market share than Apple
Computer in four years from now.
phase 5 is very well aware that it will be a big and demanding task to
write an Amiga-OS compatible PPC OS; however, we have a large team of very
experienced S/W developers, and we have been working on parts of this
project for quite some time. While I can not judge how much efforts other
mentioned companies spent into their projects, we are sure to reach our
goals with the strong efforts we invest into this project.
To finalize my open answer, I must strictly reject that last comment from
Dave, which we could see as an affront. We will neither adopt an unnamed
OS nor will we offer an ugly hack; but much more important, we are not
"stealing the AmigaOS", as Dave assumes. There are lots of people out
there, and companies which these people work for, who have been involved
closely with Commodore or AT in the past, and do have access to proprietary
information. We had several negotiations with AT, but no final agreements,
and we never had any access to proprietary information or other proprietary
stuff. Dave may address his assumptions that someone could steal the
AmigaOS into the direction of such people mentioned above, but not into
ours. Again, I strictly reject any statement that includes any such
speculation.
I hope this statement supports readers building up their own opinion of the
current situation around the Amiga. phase 5 digital products, to reinforce
this, is committed to the idea and vision Amiga. We'll continue with our
project and support for all Amiga developers, fans and users. Everybody
out there please feel free to mail us her/his comments and suggestions for
the future of the Amiga and our project.
Wolf Dietrich
General Manager of phase 5 digital products
Amiga-dedicated since the A1000
You can contact phase 5 digital products at:
http://www.phase5.de
mail@phase5.de
aproject@phase5.de
Fax +49 6171 583789
or by mail to the street address:
phase 5 digital products
In der Au 26
61440 Oberursel, Germany
Return to the Amiga Web Directory
Champaign-Urbana Commodore Users Group / cucug@cucug.org
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V I D E O M A G A Z I N E S C H A N G E H A N D S
{We include this item since these magazines are much read by professional
Amiga videographers. Brad}
(San Francisco) May 21, 1996 -- Continuing its rapid expansion in the
digital communications and entertainment market, Miller Freeman, Inc. has
purchased the publications and conferences of AMG Media, Inc., based in
Sunnyvale, CA. AMG Media's properties include three magazines, Video
Toaster User, LIGHTWAVEPRO, and Alpha Visual FX, as well as the Video
Toaster User Expo and Video Toaster and LightWave 3D training conferences.
"These magazines are high quality, targeted editorial products and
represent a unique opportunity to increase our presence in the rapidly
expanding digital video and 3D animation markets," said Pat Cameron, Vice
President of Miller Freeman's newly formed Entertainment Technology Group.
"The Video Toaster and LightWave 3D exhibitions and conferences have also
been very successful and fit perfectly with our event philosophy," she
added.
Michael D. Kornet, who became the President of AMG Media in February
1994, has joined Miller Freeman as the Publishing Director of the new
digital video and 3D animation publications. "Interactive products such as
CD-ROMs are comprised of three main content ingredients: music, video, and
animation," explained Kornet. "Miller Freeman's Entertainment Technology
Group now includes leading publications in the music, video, 3D animation,
and interactive industries. No other publishing company has a larger
commitment to these emerging markets," he added.
AMG Media founder and CEO, Jim Plant, has been retained by Miller
Freeman as a consultant. The rest of the AMG Media staff will join Miller
Freeman's Entertainment Technology Group which now includes nine
publications: InterActivity, Music & Computers, Keyboard, Guitar Player, How
to Play Guitar, Bass Player, Video Toaster User, LIGHTWAVEPRO, and Alpha
Visual FX.
The operations of Video Toaster User, LIGHTWAVEPRO, Alpha Visual FX and
the exhibitions and conferences will remain in Sunnyvale, CA for several
months, and then transfer to Miller Freeman's regional office in San Mateo,
CA.
Headquartered in San Francisco, Miller Freeman, Inc. is one of the
largest publishing and exhibition companies in the United States. It
publishes 78 magazines and manages 85 trade show and conference events. A
wholly owned subsidiary of United News & Media plc, Miller Freeman is also
the North American arm of United News & Media's global magazine and
exhibition business, which comprises 203 trade shows and 220 business
publications in the U.S., Europe, and Asia operating under the Miller
Freeman name.*
# # #
*For a brochure describing Miller Freeman's worldwide operations, call Linda
Werner at (415) 905-2311.
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V I S C O R P I N T E R N E T C H A T
VIScorp IRC Conference Announced
Date sent: Sun, 26 May 1996 11:48:47 +1000
From: owner-ias@artworks.apana.org.au
To: ias@artworks.apana.org.au
Subject: IAS: IRC meeting with Viscorp
Send reply to: ias@artworks.apana.org.au
John Mackenzie, an enthusiastic IAS member has arranged
an IRC meeting with some people from Viscorp. So everybody make sure
that you, your friends and their dogs attend. Here is the message
that I received from John. Please note that the time is in GMT which is
English time, please adjust for your part of the world.
> Ok, everyone, just got mail from Eric at Viscorp.
> Things are definitivly settled.
>
>
> The IAS will hold an IRC confrence with Viscorp on May 31st 22:00hr GMT
> on channel #VIScorp.
>
> I, will moderate it, but after a few initial statements it will be a
> free flow discussion. Statements about the Amiga and ideas for the
> present and future will be discussed. The past should be talked
> about in a context of mistakes of the past not to be repeated, not blaming
> Viscorp for Commodore or ESCOM activites.
>
>
> So, please James, tell the IAS membership. Everyone, I look forward to
> seeing you there. If there are any volunteers to be repsonsible for
> creating a log of the event, please mail me. Thanks.
James Burton,
Secretary in absentia
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