2 - Virinet or Credit net?
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Date: Sun Apr 17 1994 18:33:22
From: [Edited]
To: All
Subj: Virnet
Attr: sent
-------------------------------This message is to members of Virnet and prospective members of Virnet.
Do you know that when you join Virnet that the coordinators of that network are performing personal background checks on their members? Do you know they are pulling credit records and legal records on their nodes?
They didn't tell me they would pull my credit record. They never informed me that they would check my legal record. There is nothing in those that I am ashamed of, but do they have the right to do this WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE NODE? Why would Virnet need to know about my credit background? Why should Virnet need to know if I have a speeding ticket or anything else?
Running a BBS is a hobby, not a business. My feeling about this is that they do not have the right to invade my privacy in order to run a network. Especially without my knowledge.
How would you feel to learn that your legal records are being passed overseas because you were interested in reading and participating in an anti-virus network.
I don't want any part of Virnet and these personal investigations. I am glad I am no longer a member.
* Origin: [source edited]
From: David Schepper Pvt Crash Rec'd
Orig: Unlisted system (1:114/150)
To: Pam Trexler Msg #193, Apr-20-94 11:44 mst
Subject: VirnetI would be interested to know how this turns out for you and Steve. Virnet is a great disappointment to me all the way round.
Well, I got a call from Mr. Nuemann (spelling?) last night, and we spent about two hours on the phone, during which time he told me things about you (the same things that you had already told me), and we got into a discussion about having virus writers in the net. I told him that, yes, there should be SOME screening, but that the net would be better served if they had at least SOME opposing information allowed access, but he disagreed. I might have been willing to stay in the net, had he not basically confirmed your statements about background checks. He said that they DO hire Private Investigators to look into the backgrounds of "questionable" people. At that point, I told him that I believed that they had overstepped the bounds of ANY network, and that what they are doing may indeed be illegal. I also told him that my privacy and integrity were MUCH more important to me than ANY net, and could no longer afford to be associated with their net.
Anyway, to make a long story short, I am no longer associated with VirNet, and their communistic approach to what is STILL basically a hobby.
Dave
P.S. Steve LOVED my response to their message, and whole-heartedly agrees.
From: David Schepper Pvt Crash Rec'd
Orig: Unlisted system (1:114/150)
To: Pam Trexler Msg #189, Apr-18-94 05:17 mst
Subject: VirNetWell Pam, looks like they finally did it to you. I'm not even too sure I want to remain in the net. Especially after reading what Steve Baker wrote. Hey, I've got no complaints with the service you've given me, and, even though we haven't REALLY chatted about much, enjoyed what few messages I received from you. I do remember the one where you said that you were considered a troublemaker (or words to that effect) in the net, which only made me even MORE glad to have you as a hub, as I've always been considered (at least at work...smile) a troublemaker by some. Well, I have to go, and hope to hear from you...would like to keep in contact.
Dave
From: David Schepper Pvt Crash Rec'd
Orig: Unlisted system (9:102/108)
To: Pam Trexler Msg #191, Apr-18-94 15:41 mst
Subject: HOST REMOVAL
* Originally by David Schepper, 9:102/108@VirNet
* Originally to Leon Lynch, 9:10/0
* Originally dated 18 Apr 1994, 15:199:102/108 must submit a new NEWNODES.VIR with three verifiable references to Efrayim Neumann before we can assign him another number in VirNet. We are not happy with the relationship of this node to Ms. Trexler, but are willing to give this sysop a chance to clear his name.
Whoa big boy! Where the hell do you get off telling me that you're not "happy with the relationship of this node to Ms. Trexler"? For your information I just joined this net less than a month ago, and have only been receiving e-mail and some files from her. Pam has been very "above-board" with me, and I have had absolutely NO problems with her, and I think you all are a little bit too paranoid. Besides which, I resent any inferences you have just made. I don't have to clear myself with you or ANY other "god-like" individual! As for submitting a new NEWNODES.VIR, forget it! I JUST sent in a new one, and talked VOICE with Efrayim, and will NOT do so again! I'm sending a copy of this message straight to him. As far as I'm concerned, this net is DEAD! I, along with Steve Baker, had high hopes for this net, hoping to receive good, pertinent info on viruses and how to eliminate them. NOT to listen to petty bickering and innuendos. Unless I receive an apology in short order, I will remove all references in my system, to this net. Oh yeah, Sara was the one who assigned me to Pam.
Efrayim, sorry about this, but I don't need any crap like this from ANYONE. I enjoyed the talk we had, and hope you don't take any of this personally.
Dave
