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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ Global Dreaming News Harry Bosma
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
Robert Waggoner interviews Keelin
Lucy Gillis
++ Article: Dream Meaning 101
Linda Lane Magallón
++ Column: The View From the Bridge
DaFuMu Meets Dream In to Create Psi Dream Event
Jean Campbell
++ Dream: Dreams of the Dead
Stan Kulikowski II
++ Article: Revisiting the Senoi Dream Theory:
The Bad Logic of Sir G. William Domhoff
by Strephon Kaplan-Williams
++ DREAM SECTION: Dreams from November, 2004
Host Kat Peters-Midland
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Editor's Notes
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Welcome to the December 2004 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreamwork
online.
If you are new to dreams and dreamwork, please join us on dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and
we will guide you to the resources & groups you need. To join, send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
I'm very happy to announce that Harry Bosma has offered to take over and edit the Global
Dreaming News and we will be including his editions each month here at Electric Dreams. If you
have any dream news, conferences, books, workshops, and especially any online meetings or
events, be sure to send that information to Harry by the 15th of each month at ed-
news@alquinte.com
This month in Electric Dreams:
Lucy Gillis travels around the dream world to find the most talented and experimental lucid
dreamers and reports on these in the Lucid Dream Exchange. This month she features Robert
Waggoner's DreamSpeak interview with long-time lucid dreamer Keelin. Though she began her
lucid dreaming career spontaneously, she found out about Laberge's work at the Lucidity Institute
and learned she could participate in making lucid dreams occur. Keelin shares wisdom gain about
and from lucid dreams in this interview.
Linda Lane Magallón (author of "Mutual Dreaming") discusses the ups and downs of dream
dictionaries throughout the ages by looking at what they have had to say about flying dreams. Take
this historical flight in "Dream Meaning 101."
Jean Campbell has a summary of the activities on the World Dream Peace Bridge, where people
from around the world get together online and share dreams for world peace and understanding.
Not sure what's going on in the world these days? Maybe a project with the World Dream Peace
Bridge is just the thing for you.. Be sure to read all about this in the View From the Bridge.
In the article, "The Bad Logic of Sir G. William Domhoff" dreamwork pioneer Strephon Kaplan-
Williams examines the views of G. W. Domhoff on the Senoi dream-sharing tribe. The tribe has
created more than a little controversy over the years. If you are not familiar with the Senoi, you
may want to read my quick summary of the controversy at:
http://dreamgate.com/dream/library/idx_anthropology.htm
and also read the article Kaplan-Williams is responding to at:
http://www.asdreams.org/magazine/articles/domhoff01.htm
I'm including in the article section a dream by Stan Kulikowski, who unique recording style for
dreams interweaves a wide variety of narrative techniques, technological know how and oneiric
experience. Check out "Dreams of the Dead."
Have you seen the Electric Dreams Articles Archive? Almost all the articles from the last decade of
Electric Dreams are sorted by author, and now, thanks to Janet Garrett, you can see them listed
chronologically by issue as well. You can see her work progress and view hundreds of article on
dreams at: http://www.improverse.com/ed-articles/index.htm
Finally, I have updated the Search Index, so you can search by topic, author or what-have-you.
Floating in the air, weightless and transparent, naked and walking down an unrecognized street,
falling off a cliff, a rolling earthquake, swarming birds, a vortex-like thing opening in the middle of
a street
what else could it be? You got it it's another Dream section of Electric Dreams! Be sure
to read all of these dreams and more.
If you want to send in dreams, please enter them at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
or join the dream flow at dreamflow@yahoogroups.com
(dreamflow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com)
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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one of the many
resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
Electric Dreams in PDF: (thanks to Nick Cumbo)
http://electric.dreamofpeace.net/
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See you all in 2005!
-Richard Wilkerson
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G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S
http://dreamunit.net/news-en/
December 2004
If you have news you'd like to share, simply email Harry Bosma at his special ed-
news@alquinte.com address. I can also publish especially European and Asian dream news on the
Dreamers United web log, see www.dreamunit.net if you're curious.
Online:
- New monthly e-newsletter Energy And The Art Of Balance
- International dreaming with the Dream-ruyaTurkiye group
Physical world:
- Oneiric Visions, a program in Brazil (Stephen LaBerge)
- Discount deadline of the IASD conference 2005
Books, movies, research:
- The Language of Dreams by Robert Hoss
* * * ONLINE * * *
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- New monthly e-newsletter Energy And The Art Of Balance
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I would like to announce that beginning next month, I will be starting a monthly e-newsletter called
Energy And The Art Of Balance. Its focus will be on how dreams and intuition can help us balance
our spiritual lives with the world of our daily affairs. I have seen from experience that this subject
seems to generate quite a bit of interest and it is a direction most of us seek as we continue forward
on our spiritual paths.
"Through the practice of spirituality we strive for a connection with our spiritual nature and, often
we want our lives to reflect that connection. Yet, my own experiences and conversations with other
people have shown me that we tend to compartmentalize our spiritual lives separate from our daily
lives. We don't always approach our own spirituality with the intent of combining the three main
aspects of spirituality (mind, body and spirit) as an integrated whole in our daily affairs. All three
play an equal role and have an important part in our connection with spirit".
-From the article Spirit And The Art Of Balance by Edward Bonapartian
If you would like to sign up for this newsletter please e-mail me at
ebonapar@nycap.rr.com
Your e-mail address will be kept confidential and will not be shared with anyone else. Please feel
free to forward this e-mail to anyone you know who may be interested.
With my thanks,
Ed
Edward Bonapartian is the author of The Stories Of Our Lives - a story of healing through dreams
and intuition (ISBN 159 113 4498). His avid interest in sharing dream awareness in a blue collar
environment has allowed him to publish articles on dreamwork both in the United States and
England. He has been a contributor to Dream Network Journal, Electric Dreams, Grassdancer
Vibrational Essences Magazine, Rocky Mountain Dream Journal, and Spiral Magazines. His
interest in dreams and spirituality has led him to attend workshops on a array of subjects such as
divination, intuitive healing, shamanism and working with dreams.
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- International dreaming with the Dream-ruyaTurkiye group
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The Turkish dream discussion group "Dream-ruyaTurkiye" was created last September, and had 75
members in a short time. World dreamers are welcome to join us in our discussions, many of our
members write in both languages, and we are trying to translate the others in English as much as we
can. We wish to be an international group, learning and exchanging knowledge with the dreamers
from other countries and cultures.
Thank you very much - Ilkin
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dream-ruyaTurkiye/
* * * PHYSICAL WORLD * * *
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- Oneiric Visions, a program in Brazil (Stephen LaBerge)
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Ayahuasca, Lucidity, and Dreaming in the Amazon A 13-day residential program with Stephen
LaBerge, Ph.D. and Luis Eduardo Luna, Ph.D. January 23-February 5, 2005, Manaus, Brazil.
http://www.lucidity.com/
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- Discount deadline of the IASD conference 2005
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>From the International Association for the Study of Dreams Discount Deadline for Berkeley
Conference in December!
Hello everyone - I just wanted to remind you that the conference discount ends 31 December 2004
so please register on-line before that date at www.asdreams.org/2005 if you are thinking of
attending the IASD 22nd annual conference June 24-28, 2005 at the Doubletree Hotel in Berkeley,
California.
The discount is roughly 10% off of our early 2005 rate. Also please send in your responses to the
Call for Papers before 31 December if you wish to present. We are going to start processing and
scheduling early so please get them to Robert Hoss right away with a copy to Alan Siegel
VENUE The Conference will be held on the San Francisco Bay at the Doubletree Hotel adjacent to
the Berkeley Marina. The hotel is in a beautiful quiet waterfront setting across the bay from the
Golden Gate Bridge, and offers spectacular views of the Bay and marina. The site offers a wildlife
sanctuary, and large waterfront park, plus ready access to Berkeley and the 4th street shops and
restaurants. The San Francisco Bay Area is an ideal cool and sunny summer vacation spot, and with
the 4th of July fireworks displays at the marina the weekend following the conference, it makes for
a perfect time to stay and vacation in the Bay Area. For that reason the hotel is offering a special
vacation package for the 4th of July weekend in addition to the discounted group rates for the
Conference.
* * * BOOKS * * *
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The Language of Dreams by Robert Hoss
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"The Language of Dreams - Working with Imagery and Color" Robert Hoss, M.S., Executive
Officer and Past President International Association for the Study of Dreams, Instructor in Dream
studies for Haden Institute, Paradise Valley College, Scottsdale College. Author can be reached at
robertjhoss@aol.com or web site http://dreamgate.com/dream/hoss/
This book is written to complement various courses and workshops presented by the author. It
covers: the basics and most frequently asked questions regarding dreams and dreaming; some of the
latest findings in the neurobiology and possible relationship to dream content; the most common
psychological theories of dreams; a suggested composite "model" for what is happening in dreams
from a self-integration standpoint; a simple but powerful technique (based on Gestalt and Jungian
principles) for discovering the "language" of dream imagery and personal associations hidden
within; and the latest research by the author relating to the significance of color in dreams. The
book concludes with a set of workbook style procedures and modules for working with your
dreams, discovering personal meaning within the imagery and color, identifying conflicts and
impasses that impede your progress, and using the dream to help with personal transformation. 162
pages, 13 chapters. Copyright 2004.
Price: $25 hard copy; $17 e-book version on CD (includes Adobe Reader); $12 for electronically
transmitted e-book version (Adobe Reader required). Price includes postage within the US. Add $5
for shipping internationally.
ALL PROFITS GO TO IASD for books ordered through IASD. ORDER HERE TODAY:
http://www.asdreams.org/2004_hoss_book.htm
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Support the Dream Movement Join the Dream-In
from the International Association for the Study of Dreams
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/dreamin/dreaminhome.htm
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Dear Dreamers,
On Tuesday night, November 16/17, the annual Pledge Drive of the International Association for
the Study of Dreams kicked off with a Dream In.
Even if you cannot afford to pledge or donate this year to IASD, dreams are free, and we value
them. If you want some interesting information about how dreams can lead to solutions, try
Deirdre Barrett's *Committee of Sleep*, for example :))
So dream and, if you'd like to share the information, just go the IASD web site at
http://www.asdreams.org and look for the Dream In page. No interpretations, but all dreams are
welcome. Let's dream up a bright future of the greatest organization of dreamers in the world.
And if you'd like to post a Pledge Challenge this year? Go to the Dream In pages and click on
Pledge Challenge. Let's see what we can do for IASD.
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/dreamin/dreaminhome.htm
Jean Campbell, Chair
IASD Development Committee
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An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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This month we feature Robert Waggoner's DreamSpeak interview with long-time
lucid dreamer Keelin.
DreamSpeak
An Interview With A Lucid Dreamer
By Robert Waggoner
Without knowing the proper term for it, Keelin began lucid dreaming spontaneously during those
childhood years, relishing the unlimited freedom it offered. Then, when her beloved father passed
away at an early age, she embraced dreaming even more fully as it proved a way to keep the tender
feelings of connection alive.
Many years later, Stephen LaBerge's writings put a name to her favorite nocturnal adventures and
introduced her to the astonishing concept of dreaming lucidly at will. Over the past several years,
she's shared her endless enthusiasm for lucid dreaming by offering occasional workshops,
facilitating at The Lucidity Institute's Dreaming and Awakening retreats, a bit of writing on the
topic here and there, participating in research experiments and volunteering as a lab subject.
Currently, Keelin lives the waking version of a sweet dream with the love of her life in Northern
California. And while she spends much of her day as a graphic cartographer mapping the external
world, her nights are dedicated to navigating by a different compass, exploring and charting an
inner world of wonders.
Robert: Keelin, you have been a long time lucid dreamer and contributor to the LDE from the
beginning. Tell us, how did you first become interested in lucid dreaming?
Keelin: Some of my early childhood dreams included spontaneous lucidity, but if I were to choose
the most memorable moment, it would be during the first dream I had about my father after he died.
Although the awareness was only of a tacit level, the experience had a huge impact and drew me
wholeheartedly into a passion for dreaming. My father was just forty-nine years old when he died
of a sudden heart attack. In the all-too-brief eleven years I'd known him, he'd been confined to a
wheelchair due to multiple sclerosis. I had never seen my father walk in waking life, but when I
saw him in the dream, he was walking with ease!
Completely astonished, I quiz him shyly, "I thought you were supposed to be dead." He assures me
that he is, then quickly adds, "but it's really okay."
"So...where's your wheelchair?", I ask. He gives me a huge grin and replies, "Well, honey, I don't
need it anymore!"
I can't tell you how elated I was at his newly found freedom, and concluded in a childlike, matter-
of-fact sort of way that Death has its advantages! Dreams of my father came fairly often in the first
few years after his passing, and it was during this time that I began to recognize Dreamland as the
special place that allowed me to feel the sweet and eternal connection with him that I so cherish.
So in a way, I kind of slipped in the backdoor on lucid dreaming when I was just a child. I knew the
dreams weren't taking place in reality, but it didn't matter. It wasn't until decades later when I read
LaBerge's first book, that I learned the term "lucid dreaming". And what really sparked my interest
further was that he claimed one could dream this way at will!
Robert: What methods did you use to become aware that you were dreaming? And did that change
over the years?
Keelin: Before reading LaBerge's book, I understood how catching anomalies within the dream
worked to cue lucidity as I'd had some experience with that type of onset. But reading about
different categories of "dreamsigns" helped expand that understanding. Eventually, I began to look
at how I responded to oddities in waking life, figuring that I'd most likely respond the same way
while dreaming.
Everyone probably has a favorite phrase they use when encountering bizarre situations. Mine
happens to be, "How odd!" And for awhile, I was simply trying to pay attention to whenever I said
that phrase or heard it in my head. Finally, I realized a simple acknowledgement wasn't enough.
What worked much more effectively was to add the qualifier, "How odd is it?" In other words, is it
odd enough to mean this is a dream? So now I've trained myself to take advantage of those
moments when something has snagged my awareness antenna and stay in the moment long enough
to reflect and ask that simple question. It makes all the difference! And if it's not a dream? Then it's
still an opportunity to practice for the next time that it might be. So the exercise, regardless of the
answer, is not without benefit.
Other methods I've found highly effective are the Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreaming (MILD)
and the Morning Nap. The Lucidity Institute's experiments that led to the discovery of the nap
technique demonstrated a definite advantage to injecting an interlude of wakefulness during the
later hours of the sleep cycle. The promise of a lucid dream is so high with this approach, especially
when combined with MILD, that it's been incorporated into the Dreaming and Awakening Retreat
program. Yes, I know, it's a rough schedule, starting out each day in Hawaii with a morning nap!
(Anyone interested in the reading the research report on the Nap Technique experiments can find it
at: http://lucidity.com/NL63.RU.Naps.html)
And, of course, there's the NovaDreamer, which can be fun no matter what level of experience one
has reached. There's an article on TLI's website titled Adventures with the NovaDreamer that
chronicles some of my early experiences with this clever device. Catching the cue that induces
lucidity is a thrill, but I came to enjoy even some of the missed cues. For example, in one dream,
when the cue did not incorporate into the dream scene in a disguised fashion, but simply appeared
as soft, red pulsing lights, I thought: Ah! Someone very nearby is dreaming right now!
One of my favorite induction techniques has to do with the imagined somatic sensation of my body
rocking side-to-side as if I were lying in a canoe. I find this technique a highly pleasurable way to
launch into a WILD (wake initiated lucid dream). As an example, one night I imagined rocking
until it became fantastically vivid. I knew that my physical body was as still as could be, yet the
sense of movement was thoroughly convincing. Mental associations led to the blossoming of the
dream as a rowboat formed around my emerging dream body, and I thought: If I can get this boat
rocking extremely enough, I'll roll right out. Which I did -- and right into the surreal dream Sea.
What also works, even though it's not exactly a standard method, is participating in experiments for
The Lucidity Institute. Knowing that the data will be useful for furthering research in the field adds
incentive, and I'm always curious to see what will happen.
As experienced lucid dreamers know, having a well-defined, strongly intended goal can make a big
difference when you're wanting to lucid dream at will.
Robert: Often in your lucid dream reports, I have noticed your interest in the ocean. If you would,
share a couple of these experiences, and what they mean to you?
Keelin: Ah, yes. What is it with the Sea? While reviewing my journals recently, I came across this
brief dream account; a reminder of how even a few moments of lucid dreaming can fall into the
category of extraordinary moments in a lifetime.
While quietly awaiting the onset of dreaming, the expanse of my visual field is suddenly filled with
the seductive, rhythmic motion of foam-capped peaks atop endless mountains of clear, liquid
turquoise.
This hypnagogic episode brought a most exquisite feeling of being "one with the Sea", with no
distinct or separate physical body, only a sense of endless, easy rhythm beyond time, of purpose
with no agenda, of natural serenity. Now, when I visit the Sea in waking life, the memory of this
feeling returns. Gazing past the crashing waves, I lose myself again in the undulating beauty
beyond and know that because of those few moments of lucidity on the shores of Dreamland, I am
forever changed.
And another favorite from the archives:
... And in the still dark hours of the morning, I slip into a WILD that blossoms out of an imagined
living at seawater's edge. Using a small, hand-held rake, I comb steps of wet sand into various
patterns, my favorite design resembling multiple brainwaves. I turn and enter a sea of deep teal,
slightly thicker than water of the waking world, and more translucent than transparent. This adds a
mysterious quality as depth increases. Were it not for the gift of lucidity, anxiety as to what might
possibly swim 'neath the surface would surely toss me quickly ashore. Instead, I linger, gliding
deliriously through a luscious, liquid dream world...
Robert: What other experiences do you find yourself seeking in the lucid dream environment?
Keelin: Dreams that deal with Death captivate me. Perhaps because the early dreams about my
father were so positive, they hold more fascination than fear. Years ago, when a very dear friend
died suddenly, I had a wonderful dream about him that sparked my curiosity about other people's
experiences in this area. So I began collecting dream reports, placing ads in various journals with
the intention of publishing an anthology. To make a long story short, I ended up offering a
collection of nearly 200 dream accounts to Dr. Patty Garfield, which she graciously accepted and
was then able to use for her excellent book The Dream Messenger: How Dreams of the Departed
Bring Healing Gifts. Unfortunately, since I'd forgotten to insert copies of my own dreams into the
collection, those dreams that had inspired my initial endeavor were not included in Garfield's book,
but the bigger goal was certainly accomplished.
There are times when I head to bed with a very specific goal in mind, and other times when the
intent is to go with the flow and just be open or to spontaneously choose a goal that fits the present
scenario. For example, at the end of a very long lucid dream, I suddenly decided to reflect on my
parents love for each other. Over the past couple of years, my mother who is still living but not in
good health, has repeatedly expressed her desire to die. This is never easy for me to hear, but this
dream helped me hear her feelings with better understanding:
....I reflect on my mother's yearning to reunite with my father and experience a strong surge of
empathy. I wonder if staying with this feeling, regardless of the emotional pain, might somehow
nurture compassion or bring an understanding of her desire to die. The lyrics of a familiar song
begin to echo in my head: "The shadow in the mist could have been anyone, but I saw you, I saw
you, coming back to me." I am filled with a deep and profound sorrow and even though I know I
can change this scene, I feel there is something truly meaningful and auspicious here, so choose
willingly to remain and open my heart fully to it. After a few moments in which the song lyrics
repeat several times, allow myself to wake, crying, but deeply pleased to have had this experience.
While dreams of the deceased hold a particular fascination for me, I've also had a longtime interest
in lucid dreams that employ specifically directed healing imagery. When you consider that, as far
as the brain is concerned, dreaming of doing something is actually equivalent to doing it, there is
tremendous potential there. I've used my ability to have lucid dreams at will several times over the
years to promote healing, and always, these experiences have left me feeling self-empowered and
calmed.
Robert: Using lucid dreams as a means to create physical healing has been explored by lucid
dreamers like Ed Kellogg and others. Have you ever used lucid dreaming to improve your health?
Keelin: Last year, I was having a serious health concern with out-of-control menstrual bleeding.
My doctor had hoped that the d&c which had finally been unavoidable would carry me through till
menopause, but alas, the problem recurred and hysterectomy was on the horizon. I'd been having
amazing non-dreams about the issue (e.g., trying to keep my balance on bright red motorbike with
the fuel gage reading empty; a tsunami of bruised blood with wind-ripped, ragged pieces lofting
above my head). When the final decision was imminent, I had the following dream:
Sitting on the couch in the living room of my home, I'm braiding the left half of my hair, which I
suddenly notice is longer and thicker than it is in waking reality. This cues lucidity and I feel the
familiar, chilly vibrations that often accompany the onset of dream awareness. I remain calm,
thinking I can always spin to prolong the dream state, but I'd rather not risk the possibility of
landing in a new scene, and I don't want to become distracted from my pre-intended goal of
directing healing energy to my body. I decide that continuing to braid my hair will keep me well
enough engaged in the dream, so complete the left side and begin with the right. When I'm almost
finished braiding my hair, the dream feels stable enough to get on with my goal.
Touching my face with both hands, I marvel at the realistic sensation, the lack of distortion. Lightly
I stroke the tip of my nose where I'd found an area of concern recently (referring to skin cancer),
feel it smooth and healthy. This is a spontaneous gesture (not part of my original plan) as is my
next action. Gently I insert my fingers directly into the center of my chest. There is no pain or
blood, only the sensation of the pressure of my fingers moving slowly into my body without
resistance. I touch my heart while holding in mind thoughts of healing and serenity. After a few
moments, I remove my fingers and then insert them into my uterus (the original plan). Again, there
is no uncomfortable sensation, no resistance, just an awareness of an extraordinary freedom to
perform this feat so easily in a dream. While placing my fingers and palms against the uterine wall,
I hold a thought I've had on several occasions both in and out of dreamland -- there is healing in my
hands! Other than this exact phrase, I have no other word thoughts, but instead, a spreading
becalming sense that accompanies my touch. I wake peacefully, in rapt wonder.
Without scientific data, there's no way to prove that this dream had any physical effect, however,
the bleeding did stop, and it's not gotten out of hand since then. As I once wrote to Stephen
LaBerge, "...and so I'm left to wonder. Or am I right to wonder?" To which he promptly replied,
"It's a wonder we don't wonder all the time!"
Robert: For the last few years, you have teamed up with Dr. Stephen LaBerge at his Dreaming and
Awakening Retreats in Hawaii. How did you get involved in that?
Keelin: In June 1988, I was very fortunate to participate in a workshop offered by Dr. Fariba
Bogzaran who, at that time, was exploring the topic of seeking the divine through lucid dreaming.
She invited the class to contribute to her research, requesting that we ask a question of our own
wording regarding the divine during a lucid dream. The dream I had in response to her instruction
happened to occur on the night before she Dr. Stephen LaBerge appeared as a guest speaker in the
class. So not only was the lucid dream profoundly moving for me (it begins chapter twelve in
Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming), it also led to my meeting Stephen, to my subsequent
involvement with The Lucidity Institute, and eventually to teaching workshops. (Thanks, Fariba!)
Coming to know Stephen has been one of the greatest joys of my life. His wit and humor never
cease to amaze me, and I am forever grateful for his deep and caring friendship and for his sage
advice. When he invited me as a guest to attend the first "DreamCamp" (as we called it in the early
days), I was overjoyed. I'd moved to Portland, Oregon and felt every mile between the Bay Area
and my new home in the Pacific North Wet, especially missing TLI's Oneironaut Research Group
and the Bay Area Dreamworkers with whom I'd been so actively engaged. Soon afterward, Stephen
me hooked up to the Internet, we launched the Forum discussion site, and one thing just seemed to
lead to another. The Dreaming and Awakening retreats are the highlight of my current involvement
in the lucid dream community. We've been offering them once or twice a year since 1995 and so
far, I've only missed one retreat -- but I dreamt about being there!
I am alone, hurrying towards the interior stairway of a small building that leads to the first floor
when my clothes snag on the wooden banister and I am flung abruptly into a horizontal position.
There I remain as if frozen in flight, hoping some of the participants of the Dreaming and
Awakening retreat will pass by. I plan to ask them if I am offering a good opportunity for a reality
check. Stephen peeks around a corner and smiles at my antics, apparently not finding my behavior
odd in the least. But when no one else ventures by, I attempt to untangle myself. That's when I
notice the extra set of legs. (Thank Odd!) I'm delighted and amused as the situation suddenly
becomes clear -- This is a dream! I wander into a room around the corner which turns out to be
filled with curiosities. A few moments later, I awaken.
Robert: Any interesting lucid dreams about the retreats that you'd like to share?
Keelin: Often, prior to the retreats, I'll have a series of anxiety dreams. Since I handle a lot of the
organizational tasks in preparation for the program, there's a lot of room for little daytime worries
to sprout into nightmares. I'm always grateful when I become lucid in these dreams, but sometimes
they catch me off-guard. In one dream, I absolutely panicked when people just kept arriving -- a
huge crowd of oneironauts -- where would they all sleep? But more often, the dreams feature me
explaining how to do a reality check:
"Do you see how that clock's numbers are all odd?" I ask them. "How odd?" my dream characters
chime in . . . .
Robert: At the lucid dreaming camp, I imagine that you have all levels of dreamers from those who
are experienced lucid dreamers to those who have had maybe one or two. Does that seem difficult
to deal with? Which group do you prefer?
Keelin: What matters more than experience is attitude. Most people who are willing to take the
time and make the financial effort to be there, usually have a high degree of motivation and come
with an openness toward the whole experience. They come to learn new skills or to refine the ones
they've been developing, to gain a broader understanding of all things lucid from science to self-
integration. They come to share their personal dream experiences, to learn from each other, for
moral support, and for practical lessons in navigation. Stephen is a dynamic and animated presenter
-- that's no surprise. But what they can never anticipate is the effect of the group experience. There
is truly something magical about spending several days and nights with people who share your
passion for lucid dreaming! Each group is different, of course. Each participant is like a unique
spice. Blended together, they create a delicious "oneironautical soup" that is never the same twice.
It's not surprising to find that most of the people who attend these programs are introverts. And
therein lies the challenge for us as presenters and facilitators. Some groups do better at opening up
and sharing their dreams, and these are the ones that seem to have the most fun. In only a couple of
days, they begin to dream about their fellow participants in the program and that's when the dream
sharing in the morning sessions can become absolutely hilarious and form the lasting memories that
keep us wanting to stay connected.
Robert: When you look back over your life, how has lucid dreaming affected it? Has it altered your
perspective? Given you a viewpoint that you might have otherwise ignored?
Keelin: I feel deeply that one of the greatest benefits that learning to lucid dream offers is a better
understanding about self-potential. If we learn to recognize how emotionally provocative situations
(as frustrating, infuriating or confounding as they may be) actually provide opportunities to practice
lucid living, we stand to gain much in the way of personal growth and flexibility in problem solving
skills. In the mood of the moment, it's all too easy to get swept up in the drama of circumstance,
which can result in feelings of overwhelm, awkwardness, and powerlessness.
The key to remember is that lucidity is simply awareness, and that regardless of whether we are
awake or a-dream, we can never have complete control over our environment or the "characters"
around us. What we can control, however, is how we respond to that environment and to our
companions. In other words, when it comes to response, we never lose our power to choose!
Realization of this fact can be very empowering as it leads to understanding that we have the choice
of contributing either serenity or chaos to any given situation. And when we live with this type of
awareness, we can't help but acknowledge our participation and responsibility as co-creators of this
dream we call waking life.
It's also easy to see how this philosophy can have a direct and profound effect on our sense of
compassion. Consider what might happen if we all learned to say, "This situation is disturbing to
me, so what is the most mindful, heartful, and facilitating response I can make at this point?" Easier
said than done, of course, and I'll admit I find myself, more often than not, a common creature of
mindless habit. Yet in those rare moments when I've managed to free myself from the unconscious
undertow of habitual reaction, I feel the same sweet rush as I've experienced at the onset of lucidity
in a dream - because that's what I'm experiencing: Awareness!
Robert: How true. Becoming more "aware" or "lucid" about our waking situation really enables us
to feel the range of possible creative responses. But how do you use lucid dreaming in a practical
way to move towards lucid living?
Keelin: In a lucid dream, knowing that what we're experiencing is but a mental model of the world
allows us to see, in dramatic fashion, how desires, fears and expectation manifest immediately to
form the scene and the characters with whom "we" interact. And when I view my dream
companions as aspects of my Self (after all, who's mind is conjuring them?), I tend to treat them
with more compassion and a greater sense of humor than if I label them as "others". I'm sure you
can imagine the effect of this attitude if carried over into waking life, where again what we desire,
fear and expect has a strong influence on the waking dream as it unfolds around us.
Situations that push our emotional buttons are common in both waking and dreaming, which means
we have lots of opportunities to feel the nudge to "go lucid". And even when we miss or ignore
those nudges (in either realm), it's still possible to learn from the experience. By reviewing these
situations in a becalmed mood, we can mentally rehearse how we'd prefer to handle the next
challenging occasion.
Robert: So Keelin, are there any new challenges ahead for you in lucid dreaming?
Keelin: When I first began working on developing my ability to lucid dream at will, I adopted the
usual mantra: Am I dreaming? Now, I find that I'm less concerned with which realm I happen to be
in, and the question has shifted to: Am I aware?
I could go on, but I am putting myself to sleep! Let me just say in closing, that I am grateful beyond
words for the lucid dreams I've experienced, for their heart-expanding power and their incredible
ability to move me to such depths of sorrow and such heights of joy, and for the countless moments
of light and laughter that knowing I am dancing in the Land of Odd has brought.
And I'm grateful to you as well, Robert and Lucy, for this opportunity to share some of these
treasured experiences with your readers. I send a wish for blissful dreams to all!
Robert: Thanks Keelin! Get some sleep, shift your awareness and return to the Land of Odd!
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Dream Meaning 101
Linda L. Magallón
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Ah, dream dictionaries! How very popular they are. Short, quick mind bites, easy to digest. Don't
bother your brain too much; keep you in your comfort zone. Faster than a cup of coffee. But more
powerful than a locomotive? I doubt it. They're not very lasting or nutritious, that's for sure. How
quickly we forget what we've just read. Now, do you really want an instant answer, a quick and
dirty interpretation? Okay, here's one.
Flying means Freedom.
That, and 50 cents, won't buy you a mug of Java. It's an off-the-cuff response that doesn't answer a
whole host of questions, like, what do you mean by freedom? Freedom from what? Freedom for
what? If I see a flying cow in my dream, does that mean free milk? Good, I like Latte.
Here's the most important question. Does this interpretation of flying have anything to do with
*my* dream? The dream I had last night? If "freedom" were the only possible answer, then I'd say
sure, of course. But it's not. Even the simplest of dream dictionaries present other possibilities:
ambition, the desire to avoid responsibility, the capacity to make changes, a wish for magical
solutions, free love, perverse sexuality, haughtiness, a union of spirit and matter.
In other words, you order it, we got it to go. That's but a few of the latest ideas on the fast food
menu. I hunger for something more substantial.
Symbolic Meanings From the Past
I'd like to be able to tell you that, to comprehend the complexities of dream meaning, all you need
do is surf the Internet. Unfortunately, much of the web is still enchanted with the instant answer.
For a deeper understanding, we must go off-line and back to books. When I began to research
dreams, I went to my alma mater and asked if I could use their library. They said, sure, for a nice
fat fee. I declined the offer and returned to my public branch. Interlibrary loan costs a lot less, and I
still get the copies I'm looking for.
I was fortunate to become friends with Jill Gregory, whose passion for dream books led her to
create the Dream Library and Archive. By the time it closed its doors in 2003, it had upwards of
1200 volumes, plus innumerable papers, magazines, videos, audio tapes, scientific journals and a
few master's theses. Jill and I would go book shopping in the used book stores, since so many out-
of-print dream books can be found there. I revived the dream and psi sections in my local used
book shop, gathering books that were scattered about into one place. Even in a well-organized
store, dream books can be found in other than the dream section. Science, fine art and literature will
have non-fiction tomes. Out-of-body experiences are likely to be in another part of the store,
probably near psychic phenomena.
If you're serious about doing a search for answers about dreams, I'd keep fictional accounts to a
minimum. I found sci fi, fantasy, myths and folk tales to be fascinating reading, but, unfortunately,
their descriptions of dreams, OBEs and psi contribute to a very common Kryptonite Factor. If your
experience doesn't match what you've read, you might ignore and devalue it, or consider yourself a
failure for not achieving the promised goal. Fictional and physical experience are not the same.
Fiction's driving force is to tell a story -- something that will grab your attention and hold it.
Everything is smoothed down to make a swiftly flowing tale. Wouldn't it be nice if life and sleeping
dreams really worked that way? But they tend to be multibranched and churn up eddies at their
edges.
I discovered that flying dreams have been around for a very long time. As soon as humans learned
to scribble, they were writing about dreams, on wood, clay and papyrus. This was the genesis of the
dream book and the dream dictionary. Meanings became as fixed as the glyphs on a tablet or the
letters on a page. From these sources we know for sure. Even at the dawn of history, people were
having flying dreams.
Egyptian
During Egypt's XIIIth dynasty (1786-1633 B. C.), priests of the god Horus inscribed a discourse
about dreams on papyri. Some fragments of it still survive. One of them, the Chester Beatty
Papyrus, contains records of 200 dreams and their interpretations. It characterizes dreams with only
two simple choices. They are either "good" or "bad."
*** Falling is good. It means prosperity.
*** Folding wings about yourself is bad. It means you are not found innocent with your "lower
level god."
These early Egyptian examples used a prevailing technique called "explanation by opposites." For
most people, falling is bad and flying feels good. Thus, the interpretations are the reverse of what
one might normally think the dream would mean.
Much later, Achmet of Byzantium (900 A. D.) wrote that both Egyptians and Persians thought
flying indicated a superior political position. Flying like a bird meant high admiration, rank and
honor. Such dreams were interpreted like omens. They were considered to be prophetic of future
events.
*** When a simple man dreams that an eagle carries him on its back while flying skyward, he will
surely become emperor.
*** When an emperor dreams he flies among the stars, he will exceed other rulers.
Chinese
A 9th century A. D. Chinese manuscript found at Tun Huang describes the dream book of the Duke
of Chou (1200 B. C.). An excerpt on "heavenly bodies and phenomena" has a meaning very similar
to the Egyptian and Persian.
*** Ascending to the sky means the birth of a noble child.
For common folk, the book has been nicknamed "Old Mr. Chou's Book of Lucky and Unlucky
Dreams." Fortunately, flight is on the positive side of the good-or-bad ledger.
*** Flying to heaven indicates good luck.
Indian
The Atharva Veda (1400-900 B. C.) has a "Treatise on Dreams" which again separates dreams into
favorable and unfavorable categories. In the 68th Parachista, sexual symbolism is emphasized.
*** Birds taking to flight foretell the conquest of a woman.
The Hindus were the first to place dreams into an astrological context and link their content to
human personality types. At the time they recognized only three temperaments: bilious, or fire
signs; phlegmatic, or water signs; and sanguine, or aerial signs. (Medieval alchemists added
melancholy, or earth signs, to form the Western four). According to the 6th Parachista of the
"Treatise," men of sanguine temperament dream of clouds, wind and the flocks of migrant birds.
What women and children dream of, we don't know. Early books were often written for men, only.
Achmet of Byzantium described another sort of Indian system, that linked dreams with the
measurement of time and space.
*** To fly straight up indicates damages and quick end. Flying through heaven means you will die
soon.
*** Flying from place to place means traveling and making money. The distance of the flight
corresponds to the distance of travel. The money is in proportion to the height at which you are
flying.
Mesopotamian
Akkadian cuneiform tablets taken from the Royal Archives of Assurbanipal (668-627 B. C.)
contain a long series of dream ideas from an even earlier period of Mesopotamian history. The
Akkadians made succinct use of "explanation by opposites."
*** If a man ascends to heaven and the gods bless him, this man will die.
*** If a man ascends to heaven and the gods curse him, this man will live long.
The Akkadians were well aware that dreams could occur again and again. They interpreted those
repeating dreams, too.
*** If a man takes wing on several occasions, he will lose everything he possesses.
These dream omens read like the Akkadian law codes: if such and such happens or is observed,
then a certain consequence will follow.
*** If a man has wings and flies hither and thither, and, on descending, is unable to fly up again,
his foundation with be unstable.
*** If a man flies hither and thither, then disappears but appears again, distress.
*** If a man leaps and takes wing once: for an important person, happiness. For the serf, the end
of his misfortunes. If he is imprisoned, he will be freed. If he is ill, he will be cured.
Any bad luck portended was not inevitable, though. A variety of purification rituals, as well as
other means of averting unwelcome predictions, existed.
Roman
Artemidorus of Daldianus, (150-200 A. D.) was a dream interpreter who lived in Roman Asia, now
Turkey. Given the variety of people he mentions in his Oneirocritica (The Discernment of Dreams),
Artemidorus must have had quite a wide clientele.
*** To ride an eagle portends death for kings, rich men, and noblemen.
*** Flying with the birds is inauspicious for criminals since it signifies punishment for wrong
doers and frequently even crucifixion.
*** If a slave dreams that he is flying in the house of his master, it means good luck, for he will
surpass many in his house. But if he is flying outside the house, he will leave the house as a dead
man after days of health and happiness, if he has gone out through the courtyard. If he has gone
through the gate-house, he will be sold. If he has gone through a window, he will leave the house
by running away.
Several of Artemidorus's explanations comment on the position of the dreamt body during flight.
For instance, he believed that the dream in which one sees oneself flying head downwards was to
be feared.
*** Flying while one is seated on a sedan chair, a seat, a couch, or anything similar signifies that
one will be stricken with a grave illness, be paralyzed or no longer have the use of one's legs.
*** A sick man will die in whatever position he dreams that he is flying.
Artemidorus didn't just state the symbolic interpretation, like his less loquacious forefathers. He
tried to provide some explanation behind it.
*** Flying indicates that those who wish to hide and conceal themselves will be discovered. For
everything in the sky is clear and easily visible to everyone.
*** The dream signifies that those who ply a sedentary trade will abandon their occupation so that
they may move about more easily and, since they are flying, they will no longer remain at their
benches.
*** Flying with wings is auspicious for all men alike, the dream signifies freedom for slaves, since
all birds that fly are without a master and have no one above them, it means that the poor will
acquire a great deal of money, for just as money raises men up, wings raise birds up. It signifies
offices for the rich and very influential, for just as the creatures of the air are above those that crawl
upon the earth rulers are above private citizens.
Artemidorus advised the dreamer that, after high flights, he should return to the ground easily and
wake up immediately after landing. It seems he realized that flying dreams could be controlled.
*** It is unlucky to wish to be able to fly but not to be able to do so. But it is best of all to fly at
will (wishing to soar above) and to stop at will. For it foretells great ease and skill in one's business
affairs.
Astrampsychus, another dream interpreter from the Roman period, returned to the good-or-bad
dichotomy in his Oracles.
*** It is good to fly, for it is the sign of an honorable deed.
*** Falling from a precipice is an evil omen.
Tibet
During the 9th century, the canonical works of Tibetan Buddhism were compiled in two large
collections, the Kangyur and the Tangyur. The volumes of the Kangyur, or Ratnakuuta Sutra,
contain teachings that have been ascribed to the historical Buddha. The text lists 108 auspicious
dream images that appear to one who is pursuing the Bodhisattva path. Again, we have
"explanations by opposites."
*** Falling from a precipice is auspicious.
One ritual from the Tangyur is entitled Milam Tagpa, or The Examination of Dreams. It is a set of
procedures for obtaining two kinds of dreams: one that will generate thoughts of enlightenment and
another that will bestow empowerments.
*** Going in the sky and floating there and using the sun and moon as ornaments predicts
becoming one who is worthy of offerings by all.
Across The Globe
As we have seen, flying dreams been found down through history. They've also been discovered
around the world. Here's just a few examples from native peoples.
Sierra Leone - Kuranko
*** Flying like a bird signifies happiness and prosperity.
American Southwest - Tachini Navaho
*** If you dream you are flying, you are "under the sickness" that will be helped by the Star
Chant.
Central Africa
*** Flying dreams mean long life and good health.
Nepal - Yomo Sherpa
*** Dreaming of an airplane indicates that one will soon fall ill.
Pacifica - Coastal Solomon Islanders
*** Dreams of flying mean success.
A Summary of Findings
According to some of the interpretations, both historical and world-wide, flying implies problems,
injuries, even fatality. But are they true? True for us? And how could we find out? Unfortunately,
we can't interview the interpreters or the dreamers to get further information. Most of them are long
dead. Comparisons among the choices can be made, though. Some of these meanings clearly
contradict one another. It's obvious that there has been no universal consensus on what flying
means. The facts just don't support it.
How many meanings of flying dreams did I discover in my research? Hundreds. And this is just for
one symbol! I haven't yet mentioned the popular theories of the past two centuries. Think of the
many different sorts of dreams we can have, each with their multitude of interpretation possibilities.
It's an information glut. How can we make any sense of it all? One common suggestion is to select
what you like and forget the rest. If I were to use that standard, I'd pick, as my favorite, this
Japanese proverb.
*** "Dreams and falcons are what you make of them."
Or course, that puts us right back where we started: in the reach of the instant answer. For
extraordinary dreams, that's not enough.
References
-Allen, Edward Frank. The Complete Dream Book. New York: Paperback Library, 1967.
-Coxhead, David & Susan Hiller. Dreams: Visions of the Night. NY: Avon Books, 1975.
-de Becker, Raymond. The Understanding of Dreams. New York: Hawthorn, 1968.
-Delaney, Gale. Living Your Dreams. San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1981.
-Dentan, Robert Knox & Laura J. McClusky. "Pity the Bones by Wandering River Which Still in -
Lovers' Dreams Appear as Men." In The Functions of Dreaming, Alan Moffitt, Melton Kramer,
Robert Hoffmann, eds. Albany, NY: SUNY Press, 1993, 489 -548.
-Holzer, Hans. The Psychic Side of Dreams. St. Paul, MN: Llewellyn, 1992.
-Lincoln, Jackson Steward. The Dream In Primitive Cultures. London: Cresset Press, 1935.
-Oates, Joan. Babylon. NY: Thames and Hudson Inc., 1994.
-Psychic Voyages. (Editors of Time-Life.) Alexandria, VA: Time-Life Books, 1987.
-Roheim, Giza. The Gates of the Dream. New York: International Universities Press, 1952.
-Tedlock, Barbara. "The New Anthropology of Dreaming," Dreaming, 1/2 (1991), 161-169.
-Traditional Dream Interpretation Search CD (Original Books, Inc., 1999).
-Van de Castle, Robert L. Our Dreaming Mind. New York: Ballantine Books, 1994.
-Woods, R.L. & H.B. Greenhouse. The New World of Dreams. New York: MacMillan, 1974.
-Young, Serinity. "Dream Practices in Medieval Tibet," Dreaming, 9/1, 1999, 23-42.
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
(Dream Flights)
© 2004 Linda Lane Magallón
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THE VIEW FROM THE BRIDGE
DaFuMu Meets Dream In to Create Psi Dream Event
November 2004
Jean Campbell
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In the past months, those familiar with The World Dreams Peace Bridge have become acquainted
with the term DaFuMu dreaming, a word created from the marriage of Japanese and Chinese,
indicating the focused type of group dreaming done on the Peace Bridge (See
http://worlddreamspeacebridge.org/dafumu.htm for more.).
On November 16, 2004, members of the Peace Bridge discussion group were very concerned for
Emad Hadi, the young university professor who is director of Seasons Art School in Baghdad, Iraq.
The group has adopted the school as a fundraising project and has become close with the staff and
students there. In the week before November 16, Emad Hadi's best friend was killed. The
despairing note Emad sent to Ilkin had touched the hearts of all of us. We agreed to DaFuMu for
Emad, a dream of great good fortune.
On that same night, the International Association for the Study of Dreams held its annual Dream In,
a kickoff for the organization's Pledge Campaign. Dreamers are asked to dream together for the
future of that organization.
Now, several members of IASD are also members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge--but not
Olivia.
>From Devon, England, Olivia is a recent addition to the IASD dreaming family, who has been
slowly sampling the offerings of the largest dream organization in the world. She has hung out on
the IASD online Bulletin Board, participated in the PsiberDreaming conference, joined the Psi
Dreaming discussion group, but never joined the Peace Bridge. In fact, she had recently expressed
some concern that her dreaming self might be more "invasive" than other dreamers would like.
On the night of November 16, Olivia got a firsthand experience of shared dreaming. And rather
than criticize her for being invasive, members of the Peace Bridge welcomed her with open arms.
The dream that Olivia dreamed when she fell asleep on November 16 was intended (by her waking
mind) to be a dream for the IASD Dream In. Instead, while asleep and lucid, she dreamed of Ilkin,
who she knew from the PsiDreaming group and Harry Bosma's Psi Angels. She dreamed about an
article in a newspaper about someone Ilkin knew, a dark young man who was in danger. The article
in Olivia's dream said this young man had many dangerous choices and could be aided by a reading
from the I Ching, the Chinese book of changes.
Awake again, Olivia sent her strange Dream In dream to Ilkin, who immediately recognized the
subject of the newspaper article in Olivia's dream as Emad.
Needless to say, many things happened as a result of this dream--more, in fact, than can be
described in a single, brief article. So let me highlight a few of the results:
* When Ilkin mentioned the e-mail from Olivia to Emad, he not only said to her, "Your concern
is like medicine to me," but said he had also dreamed about Ilkin that night and would send the
dream.
* Because, as a Moslem during Ramadan in the middle of a war, Emad probably would not
throw the I Ching, I asked Peace Bridge member May Tung, who often uses the I Ching from her
native China, if she would do a reading for Emad. The reading was profoundly transformative.
* Olivia joined the Peace Bridge--with the result that Joy remarked, "I thought you had been here
all along."
And finally, interestingly enough, when I mentioned to the World Dreams discussion group that I
felt like my DaFuMu dreaming with the group had been like "stretching my dreaming muscles,"
that I felt like I was being more lucid and making more contact with other people in my dreams in
general than I had before we began dreaming this way, I discovered that several people agreed with
me, enough so that we have decided to do a DaFuMu dreaming for World Peace on the same day of
each month, in addition to whatever other shared events we might decide on. (More about this in
next month's View.)
So the process goes on, utilizing contacts in both waking life and sleeping life to expand on a world
view in which all world citizens can become acquainted. Two dreams from the younger generation
round out this remarkable set of dreams and intuitive experiences.
When World Dreams web designer, Liz Diaz, received the fund raising greeting cards several
Peace Bridge members plan to send out for Seasons Art School, she showed her son Michael the
photo of the little Iraqi boy with his bear that is on the cards.
Michael, that generous boy who just turned eight, had the following dream:
"There was a huge snow storm coming soon, and he and his brother had to go to 7/11 to stock up--
Julian got a lot of candy; Grandma got a lot of food; and Michael won the lotto and got rolls of
money in $1,000 bills. He told his mother he was going to give the money to her to send to the
children in Iraq."
Later, Nick Cumbo, who is just finishing final exams for his college year and looking forward to
summer in Australia, dreamed lucidly:
"I found myself in a place I knew to be Iraq. A bomb raid seemed to be occurring. I felt scared and
terrified by the reality of what an ordinary Iraqi must experience. I remember walking around.
There were many security guards, and it was threatening them, my even being there."
Nick commented: "I woke with a much deeper understanding of what must go on. Of course, this
only happened for a few moments. I can't imagine what living there would be like. I now feel a
compassion which is more alive in its passion. Which is nothing to be congratulated for. It simply
allows me to recognize that fear and pain more deeply, and to work, from afar, on transforming it."
The World Dreams Peace bridge is open to all people who dream of world peace:
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org or discussion group: worlddreams-
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Revisiting the Senoi Dream Theory:
The Bad Logic of Sir G. William Domhoff
by Strephon Kaplan-Williams
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I just came across an article by G. William Domhoff: DO SENOI PRACTICE "SENOI DREAM
THEORY?" by G. William Domhoff. http://www.asdreams.org/magazine/articles/domhoff01.htm
He starts his article off with the following:
Jeremy Taylor is seriously misinformed about everything he says concerning the Temiar and Semai
peoples who are collectively called "Senoi" by us, so I am pleased to have this opportunity to set
the record straight.
I say, what arrogance!
Number one is to assume that he, Domhoff, is right on his assertions. Number two to make a
personal attack in public on the web and representing an international organization, which I helped
found, whose purpose and mission statement makes clear to include many points of view on
dreams.
Domhoff goes on to make a list of points to counter what Jeremy Taylor wrote before about the
Senoi. Some of these points may have some truth to them but to assert that Domhoff can set the
record straight by his logic alone and without a thorough investigation by committee and review
board and so on is the height of arrogance as I experience him.
First Domhoff fallacy: Because I assert forcefully something as true it is true. And to quote him:
"Sixth, it is romantic to talk about Senoi as "ranging freely" in the highlands of Malaysia ..."
Serious though these errors are, they are not directly relevant to the issue that concerns dream
researchers: did Senoi once use "Senoi dream theory" and then abandon it or hide it due to cultural
disruption? For that issue the following points are critical:
Domhoff wants to prove that assertions about the Senoi originally made by Kilton Stewart are false.
It's all in his little book which he never tires of pushing as the authority on the subject.
The second great Domhoff fallacy is trying to build a case based on false premises. One false
premise is that latter observers, which he sometimes quotes, as if they are reliable and Stewart isn't,
can tell us factually what the Senoi were like in the 1930's that Stewart Describes.
The third Domhoff fallacy is that his witnesses described are infallible evidence for his position,
that they are truly experts, when they are not proven by him to be. Again, the fallacy of truth by
assertion, not fact, and not objective evaluation.
Domhoff here:
Come on. Nothing hinges on this one alleged dream or on why the captive allegedly
heard about it.
The weight of the evidence is so overwhelming against any unique " Senoi dream theory" that an
anecdote like this recalled many years after the event by a frightened man hoping to escape
imprisonment has no standing whatsoever. Taylor is in fact grasping at straws instead of adopting
the scientific attitude that is necessary here.
Domhoff attacks the man, makes exaggerated assertions, does everything to assert that he is
absolutely right here. there are a number of examples in his article like this.
The forth great Domhoff fallacy is that of argumentum ad Hominum, you attack the person because
you cannot sustain a convincing argument against the the person's statements.
Notice here how Domhoff again attacks the person:
Everyone's foibles aside, it is a mystery to me why anyone would want to continue to insist that
Senoi practice "Senoi dream theory" if Taylor, Patricia Garfield, and a few others really can control
their dreams through Stewart's techniques.
Yes, says Domhoff, all these people I attack have foibles, with no mention of his own, but again his
arrogance to assert that somehow he has the right and knowledge to judge Taylor and Garfield here.
Again, the fallacy of asserting truth by assertion, that because he is right they are wrong, as if
"proving" them "wrong" makes him "right."
Domhoff loves to attack, it seems. His is an attacking position, not a positive one of giving facts
himself for a position, any position. Domhoff does not have a position, like the bitter alcoholic who
is angry at everyone but himself for his condition.
The fifth great Domhoff fallacy is that he assumes that he has proven statements false that in this
case Jeremy Taylor has made and that then the major Senoi premise that as a tribe, and not just as
individuals, they worked with their dreams. If you can eliminate a few of the pieces of a pie you
then assume you have eliminated the whole pie. This is fallacious reasoning.
There are two kinds of scientific or Judicial proving. One is that a thing does not exist until proven
that it does exist. The second is that something exists until it is proven that it does not exist.
Domhoff twists his logic here. He assumes that the Senoi did group dreamwork is a truth assertion
that he has proven false. I point out why his arguments are weak here because of all the thinking
fallacies he engages in. He also tries to assert that more proof than Stewart is needed before he will
believe the truth of what Stewart asserted. Since he thinks he has proven Stewart false he then
states that others have to prove the Stewart and Taylor assertion true.
Something is not true until you convincingly prove it is true. If you cannot prove convincingly that
it is true, then it is false.
Let me give an example from American and Dutch law. In America I can be taken to court if
someone can prove that I have married two wives without divorce of one of them so that I am a
bigamist. In the Netherlands they have also a law against bigamy but because of this law they need
proof that you are not a bigamist. To get married in the Netherlands I have to have official, stamped
statements from the governments of the countries I have lived in that show I am not listed as being
married in any of those countries. They assume that I may be a bigamist and I have to prove in
order to marry that I am not a bigamist.
Nice. So Domhoff loves to attack by disproving ancillary statements that then are supposed to
disprove the main or core statement. He cannot prove that the Senoi did not do community
dreamwork at the time described so he tries to prove that because the Senoi years later did not seem
to do community dreamwork that he has won his case, but he can give no evidence that comes from
the time the main premise is about.
Ah, Domhoff, if you could only think, what a great Caesar you would have been!
Can you convict someone of murder twenty years ago when the witnesses are dead or now
inaccurate? Only if you have inconvertible evidence from the time such as recent DNA findings
from the time of the murder.
Domhoff can find no evidence from the 1930's Senoi to counter the Stewart claim that they did
community dreamwork.
So he engages in still another Domhoff fallacy. It is the attack on thin air, or straw man fallacy. In
this fallacy you set up a bogus issue and try to convince people it is the real issue. So then you
attack the bogus issue that makes your arguments sound convincing and unthinking people fall for
your bogus arguments.
When Jeremy Taylor holds with Kilton Stewart that the Senoi practiced community dreamwork in
the 1930's then how can the Kilton Stewart statement be attacked from evidence in the 1950's or
later. It can't but Domhoff acts like it can and asserts that he is attacking the real issue.
Taylor has a right to hold with any observer. If he picks Stewart over later observers then he has a
right to do so, unless you have compelling evidence from Stewart's time to contradict Stewart.
Domhoff uses spurious little arguments to try and reinforce his bogus attack, like stating that
Stewart was only there a few weeks. I don't care if Stewart sat on the toilet only once, he still has
left evidence of his presence. So another example of the fallacy of bogus argument.
The last seventh obvious Domhoff fallacy is the assumption that Domhoff can argue convincingly
that ten little arguments or so will add up to one convincing big argument. This is simply not true.
You cannot convince me the world is flat because ten, even one hundred people, tell me today they
see the world as flat because their eyes tell them so. Yet the whole world seemed to see the world
as flat at one time in history, and they were all wrong!
So Domhoff, take a powder. Polish your nose. Get the shine off your logic. Quit fighting windmills.
Try and come up with some great positive results about dreams and dreaming that you created
yourself.
Use your logic to create and not destroy.
Strephon Kaplan-Williams
Domhoff article:
DO SENOI PRACTICE "SENOI DREAM THEORY?" G. William Domhoff
http://www.asdreams.org/magazine/articles/domhoff01.htm
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hundreds of visitors a week. Of special note is his _Dream Cards_ Interactive page where visitors
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currently out of print in English. Strephon is a weekly contributor to analyzing issues in dreams that
people share at the Consciousness Forum page of Dreamwork2000.com. Strephon has declared
with others the need for a separate branch of psychology, dreamwork psychology, with an
organization in the works called IDPA, the International Dream and Dreamwork Psychology
Association. He is presently at work completing with the Romanian Dreamwork center and other
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professionals in dreamwork psychology. Strephon at age 70 is in "writing retirement" except for
high level trainings for professionals in dreamwork psychology, presently operating out of the
Romanian center. Please enquire for residential training in a Romanian mountain resort with
Strephon and others each summer.
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DATE : 19 nov 2004 10:15
DREAM : dreams of the dead
=( last night was a thursday. i spent much of the evening starting the preliminary web site
evaluations for my courses this term on web design. this is a long process which is my main
teaching labor for the semester. i managed to get about ten projects evaluated before i had to quit
with discomfort from my still not controlled diabetic condition. for the last month or so, mother and
i have been watching through the DVD series of buffy the vampire slayer. this week we started
season six. around midnight i went to bed, but could not get sleep until just after 04:00, a lot of
tossing and turning but i want to avoid using sleeping pills whenever possible. )=
with a small shovel i am digging in the dirt. not too deep, just well down into the earth and rather a
long way from the opening. i have been doing this for some time so i have advanced pretty far
under the ground.
the blade of my shovel hits something hard and by the light of my flashlight i can see a bright
crystal tumble down from the earthen wall. this is what i have been digging for. i reach for the
jewel with my bare hand which is a mistake that i had been warned against, but in the excitement of
the moment, i have forgotten the precaution of skin contact with the gemstone. there is a small
electric tingle when i first touch it. the white jewel is about the size and shape of a golf ball but the
crystalline facets are irregular, not the hexagonal faces of quartz.
once i get a secure grip on the crystal, i feel the earth around me begin to tremble and collapse. i am
trapped under tons of soft soil that quickly squeezes me until i can not breathe. at first i panic and
try to squirm out through the dirt like i was swimming, but soon i can not move. there is a hot sharp
pain in my lungs as i choke for air but can neither exhale or inhale. i keep a tight grip on the crystal
but there is nothing else i can do.
the pain does not last long. soon i manage to escape the frenzied panic and with an odd twist, i pull
myself away from my body and look back on it as its struggling ceases. there are a few residual
twitches as my body dies, but i am now detached from that experience.
i am expecting either the tunnel of light or the hole of darkness to open around me, but instead i
become aware of a dim blue pulsing glow coming from the crystal clutched in the hand of my
body. i seem to be trapped with the radius of this glow which at first is rather small but seems to get
a little larger with each of its irregular offbeat pulses. the soil is otherwise dark, the flashlight
smothered in the dirt, but each time the crystal flares up, i can see my body cooling within the
limits of the expanding influence of the gemstone.
i understand this to be the state of worldnet1. if there were no other such jewels, this blue glow
would eventually expand to cover the entire planet. i learn that i can move around a little in this
space when the jewel flashes.
soon, however, i can see a few brighter green filaments come searching through soil. eventually one
of these attaches to the crystal clutched in my dead hand. when this contact is made, the other
filaments in the area move off in other directions. this is worldnet2 phase. along these green
connections i can see blobs moving, some of which come down into my crystal and collect in a
sticky mass. in each of the blobs i can see a swirling pale figure, sometimes taking the appearance
of a face or some body part. these are the dreams of the dead. they tend to collect like a shimmering
cluster of grapes, but once in a while one will depart and go back to traveling the worldnet2
connections. i know that eventually i will learn how to send my dreams out to wander the network
of those who died holding one of these stones.
there is a worldnet3 level which happens if my body is found by people from above. the dreams of
the living are comparatively powerful things which quickly overwhelm the thin vapors which are
the dreams of the dead. i dread this happening and hope that i have covered my excavations well
enough to avoid any discovery of my entombment. finding and possessing a jewel of dreams is a
lifelong accomplishment which makes sense to me in the way that the heaven or hell does not. the
tunnel of light or the hole of darkness suck our souls off into an alien place where there is never a
return or further communication. the worldnets at least allow us an eternity of sharing the
encapsulated dreams of our existence.
=( awake at 09:40, i turn on the bedside computer but it takes several tries before the crappy
windows operating system manages to get its files in order. i suppose that this dream of dying and
burial may be associated with the buffy series i have been watching at night before going to sleep.
the beginning of season six has the slayer digging her way out of her grave which is a graphic
image of burial in the soil like i experienced here. this does not strike me as a very profound
stimulus source but i was interested in the ending realizations about the traditional concepts of
heaven and hell as trapping our spiritual resources and removing them from our frame of reference.
)=
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Floating in the air, weightless and transparent, naked and walking down an unrecognized street,
falling off a cliff, a rolling earthquake, swarming birds, a vortex-like thing opening in the middle of
a street
what else could it be? You got it it's another Dream section of Electric Dreams! Be sure
to read all of these dreams and more.
Dream title: Not cool
Dream date: 10-17-04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I had a dream that I was a hooker and I walked into this place with 3 bathrooms and a
huge TV in it. Then I found the person I was looking for and he was my pimp. He was Chinese.
Dream comments: It scared me.
Dream title: Earthquake
Dream date: 10-18/04
Dreamer name: Fb
Dream text: There was an enormous earthquake. I was walking with my friend T when I felt it. No
one else did at first, and then it got bigger and bigger. It was a "rolling" quake, not a shaker. The
ground started to split and we all got into a car and tried to drive but the streets would rise up and
down. We were going everywhere and finally ending up crashing into a house. After that, I was at
an outdoor shower with bruises all over. My grandma was there (she died last year). Every time I
would turn the shower on, someone would come by and turn it off. It goes on from there but my
memory is choppy. Oh, I do know that the earthquake happened in New Mexico and that's why no
one believed it was an earthquake at first.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: The Elevator and Bird Poop
Dream date: 10/17/04
Dreamer name: J
Dream text: In the beginning of the dream I was on the roof of a building and I was going under
some type of net thing that stood like a few inches from the ground or cement. Someone with me
scared the bird that is on the net. All of a sudden, the birds go crazy, flying around all over the
place. So the people who were with me and I go under the net. The one bird comes back and I want
to scare it off, but the bird seems to attack me. All these birds come swarming above us and they
start pooping on us. The bird crap is like hot wax and it comes off after it dries. But instead of it
being hard, it is soft and rubbery. I find myself going down some stairs. When I got down to the
floor that I wanted to go to, I go back to the elevator. I have this weird feeling that someone is
following me, right behind me. The elevator door opens and I just turn back because I have an odd
feeling. The man coming toward me tells me not to do that; that I wasn't going anywhere. He said
that I would just have keep my mouth shut and go with him. But I screamed and pulled away from
him. Next thing you know I wake up, but he hadn't let go of me when I did wake up.
Dream comments: I never finished the dream.
Dream title: untitled
Dream date: 2002
Dreamer name: sense
Dream text: I was walking down an unrecognized street; I was naked. A group of people were
walking toward me, so I lay down on a bench hoping to hide. As this happened I suddenly realized
that this was a very, very odd situation for me to be in. I remembered a Carlos Castaneda novel I
had read earlier in the year and I thought "This must be some sort of in-organic being". I was not
lucid at this point (IE: unaware that I was dreaming) but at some level I must have known or
THOUGHT I was dreaming to connect the two. So anyway, further recalling the stories of
inorganic beings, I said the word "intent" in my head. At which point, a vortex-like thing opened in
the middle of the street with a sound like a large jet engine which sucked me into it. I then found
myself sitting next to a friend and someone I didn't know, but who's name I knew. They were
speaking giddily about getting some magic mushrooms. As soon as the word mushroom was
uttered however, the vortex opened again and I was whisked away and thrown to my bed. The
noise did NOT go away and I was not able to move a single muscle in my body. There was a
definite presence hovering over me keeping there. After a lot of thrashing wildly and trying to
scream, I got free and rolled off the edge of my bed in between the mattress and the wall, but as
soon as I realized I was free of this "thing", I woke up AGAIN in my bed.. This time everything
was "normal". My girlfriend had been sleeping next to me and was completely undisturbed, and
when I woke her and asked if I was thrashing or moving she said she had slept fine....
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Mafia
Dream date: 11/18/04
Dreamer name: Spout
Dream text: My family and I were chased by the Italian mafia. They shot my mom and my brother.
I told all my friends about that and all of us took revenge on the Italians. Later on, we modified two
of my friends by transforming them into robots (but their head was the robot's head). So we went
and fought the Mafia. At the end their heads disappeared and I yelled where are you where are
you?!?!
Dream comments: What a dream it was amazing
Dream title: The Unknown Truth
Dream date: 11/20/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I was some place and I thought I recognize a child and I went to the child and said hi.
The child grabbed me and hugged around my waist and wouldn't let go. The child kept yelling for
her parents; the more she yelled, the tighter she grabbed. There was a point when I woke up for a
second and gasp for air. Then she kept yelling louder and louder and her mother ran and left her.
Then after that, it got bright and its like I went to another dream and it was cloudy. Every time a
guy came outside, I became sunny and I told someone it's like he is the sun. Then things happened
so fast and next thing I knew, he was on the ground in my house. Someone cut him open and his
family was dead. We realized that they weren't human and he actually was the sun. He was the one
who brought light to this world - the end.
Dream comments: please I need to know its been on my mind
Dream title: I feel like I'm falling!
Dream date: many times
Dreamer name: lc15
Dream text: Sometimes I'm dreaming I'm falling from a cliff or something and then suddenly I just
wake up!
Dream comments: What does this mean?
Dream title: The Calling
Dream date: 4 years ago
Dreamer name: N
Dream text: I was on a bus and it was a long straight road but it was only me on the bus. I
something made me look behind out the back window and here I saw this crazy-looking woman
running at the bus yelling on the top of her voice "Stop the bus". She had this crazy long black
looking dress and it was like she had no skin and her veins were black while her blood was pure
white. Then the bus started to slow down and I was so worried about the woman. When I looked
out the side window, there was this guy I have liked for so long (Hippy) and he just looked up at
me and put his hand up to the window. He looked amazing and it was like he had this white beam
surrounding him; it was beautiful. Then everything went black and then I was no longer on the bus
but sitting in my bed, which for some reason was in the lounge room. I was just watching all these
people walk past me; no one even knew I was there. They were all walking into this room so I got
out of my bed to investigate. I see my sister sitting in her bed and she looked up me and she just
smiled and looked so content. She also had this bright white light surrounding her; she had this
really nice pink top on with her hair down. Then it all went black again and this time standing in a
tower and I saw these double doors and something told me to open them so I did. It was amazing
and all I could see was the sky on a gorgeous summer day. I looked down but it just went on for
ever and ever. Then I knew what was coming but I wanted to stay longer. I couldn't control the
blackness from sweeping over me again and then I was on the beach; and we had to play this game
to get our money. There where all these guys jumping in the water, going crazy and jumping over
these big logs that were coming from the ocean out of nowhere. I looked all around me and there
were these huge big cliffs lining around me and the ocean was incredible. So I saw them having so
much fun I wanted to join in but before I could jump over any logs, the blackness drew me back in
again, sending me someplace else. Finally I had a feeling that this would be the last time the
blackness would appear and I knew something was awaiting me, and sure enough here was that
crazy-looking lady from the bus trip in my lounge room and my sister was with me. The crazy lady
looked like she was going to do some serious damage to us both. Something took my mind off that:
this amazing huge ruby ring on the woman's finger and the fact that she was all scaly like a snake. I
had to think of something quick so I told my sister to get out of the way and get down because I
knew it was my demon I had to stand up against. All I knew was I had to grab a sharp knife and
stab the women 3 times in the heart and she would die. So I leapt for the knife and in 3 quick
motions I stabbed the lady. When I stood back knowing there would have had to been plenty of
blood to clean up, but to my surprise she had evaporated. But instead of her clothes, there were my
clothes lying on the floor. AND THEN I WOKE UP......
Dream comments: This dream puzzles me still it just had this strong energy about it. It's been 4
years no and I still from time to time think of this dream and once I sat down, things started to
unravel. The reason why the crazy women left my clothes behind is simply because she was the
other half of me, the bad half that had been haunting me for many years and I finally could confront
her. It was easier then I had thought it was going to be as well. At the start of the dream when
Hippy was standing outside the bus, I knew that it was the crazy lady running after him but he
knew that my better half wanted to stop her. I was a little obsessed with these two guys from
college but Hippy only got through and it made me realize what I was doing and that I was chasing
him away. I still don't have much idea what the rest of the dream is about. Bits and pieces fall in to
place now and then. I am just glad I could do something before it was too late, instead of losing
both the guys I only lost Hippy not Blaze. It certainly has been a long journey for me.
Dream title: I'll miss you forever
Dream date: 10/23/04
Dreamer name: Hope
Dream text: I was out and about with my mother and my sister. I suddenly wanted to return to my
mother's house because I left one of my dogs there. When I opened the door I remembered the dog
was at my home with my husband. I entered my mother's house and looked into her living room. I
could see a cat on a chair grooming itself. I entered the room and saw my dog that had died earlier
this year. I went over and reached to touch him, fully expecting him NOT to be solid. He was solid
and warm and I could feel the texture of his fur. He got up and licked my face and hands and I was
so happy he was alive. My sister came in and I told her to look at who was here and she couldn't
see him. I woke up and started to cry.
Dream comments: My mother is elderly and in failing health. We have grown apart of late. My
father passed away 22 years ago.
Dream title: None
Dream date: random
Dreamer name: Paradise
Dream text: I have recurrent dreams that I am walking and all of a sudden my legs start to give out
on me. I try to get up but they are too weak to support me. So I end up having to move on my
knees. Sometimes I can get up but only for a few minutes before falling again.
Dream comments: I just want to know what this dream might be telling me, and why I might have
it so often.
Dream title: My boyfriend
Dream date: 10/23/2004
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: In my dream my boyfriend of four years was in prison. The drive to go and see him
was four hours away, so I went with a friend. When we arrived at the prison they served us
breakfast and we waited for my boyfriend to come out as we ate. A while after that, he walked
towards us, but as soon as he could reach us a group of guys surrounded him. They started to beat
him and they took him away. My friend and I didn't know what to do. We tried to follow them, but
lost them. Later on that day, we found one of the guys that had been in the group and I asked him
what happened to my boyfriend. All he said was that he was killed. Why I don't know.
Dream comments: Why in my dream I was so close to seeing him, and talking to him, but I didn't
get a chance to? My boyfriend is in jail. He is getting out in March 2005. I can't go and see him
because the drive is too far. I haven't spoke to him or received a letter in about a month.
Dream title: Bees flying
Dream date: 10/23/2004
Dreamer name: J
Dream text: There were bees flying around the place I was in.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Chain saw
Dream date: 10/27/04
Dreamer name: J78
Dream text: I dreamt that my girlfriend and I are in a forest; I'm cutting a tree using the big chain
saw. I tell her to use the small chain saw for cutting trees but she doesn't want the small one. She
wants big chain saw that I'm using.
Dream comments: Is this dream of mine bad?
Dream title: no title given
Dream date: none
Dreamer name: J
Dream text: There was a small hill right in front of me with dark green grass, and perfect white
fuzzy rabbits spread out all over it. At the top of the hill was a huge black and dark brown snake
slithering its way down to the rabbits. I felt very worried about the rabbits but I felt like I was
watching it on a big screen.
Dream comments: I just wanted to know if anyone knows what it means.
Dream title: Rape
Dream date: 10*28*04
Dreamer name: L
Dream text: I had a dream that I was out with some of my friends and we had a hotel room and I
was in a car with some guy I didn't know. Twenty minutes later, I was at the hotel with this old guy
I didn't know. Then the next thing I know I was being raped!
Dream comments: I would love to know why I had this dream and what it means.
Dream title: Baby
Dream date: 10-29-04
Dreamer name: Cash
Dream text: I am at work, hurting in my stomach. I go to the restroom where my water breaks. I
call home to tell my mother so they can come get me. It will take them to long to get to town. I
called my Aunt to come get me but I have enough time. We go to the hospital, where I haven't full
dilated.
Dream comments: I am scared that I will be at work.
Dream title: Spiders
Dream date: thousands of times
Dreamer name: su
Dream text: Since I was a young girl, I have had this dream-nightmare. Spiders are on the ceiling
above me and are lowering themselves onto me as I wake up.
Dream comments: It takes a long time each time for me to make myself believe this is a dream and
not reality.
Dream title: Kill
Dream date: 10/16/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I often dream about killing people trying to defend myself.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Celebrity meeting
Dream date: none
Dreamer name: totally dreamer girl
Dream text: I have had many dreams of a famous celebrity encounter, who happens to be the
hottest of them all: Chad Michael Murray.
In this one particular dream, I see him at my school (not the same in real life) and we bump into
each other. Surprisingly, he's happy to see me and it's as if he likes me as much as I like him. Never
struck a conversation up with him but the future looked good for us.
Dream comments: What do you think this could mean? Will I strike well in relationships in the
future? Or Perhaps I have more popularity than I think? I'm clueless on interpreting this one.
Dream title: Pregnant
Dream date: 02/11/04
Dreamer name: babe
Dream text: I dreamt my husband's ex-wife was expecting his child
Dream comments: hell
Dream title: Floating on Air
Dream date: 10/31/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I was floating through the air...whatever I did or was doing, I was transparent. I was
weightless. I traveled through solid objects, i.e., walls, doors etc. I could hear others in my dream,
however, I did not seem to respond, and I just reacted. I remember reaching for my glucometer, you
see, because I am diabetic. Then I dropped it, it broke and I awoke.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Baby
Dream date: 11/5/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I keep dreaming that I'm having a baby.
Dream comments: What does this mean?
Dream title: None
Dream date: 10/29/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I'm a female who dreamed about kissing another female.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Spider
Dream date: 10/28/2004
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I see a medium black and yellow spider crawling on me
Dream comments: Can you tell me what this means?
Dream title: Frank's rampage
Dream date: recurring since childhood
Dreamer name: pm
Dream text: A girl I went to school with (not a friend) and I are in my house when Frank DiFazio
(Laverne's dad from Laverne & Shirley) bursts through the door with a shotgun. He screams that he
is going to kill one of us and we should each tell him why it should not be us. Whichever one has
the best reason will live. He is very terrifying and screams at us in Italian. Just when he is about to
shoot one of us, I wake up so I never find out who Frank thinks is worthy of his mercy.
Dream comments: This dream began around 1983 and just seeing him on reruns even today makes
my heart race.
Dream title: None
Dream date: None
Dreamer name: LG
Dream text: My sister and I have our own private jet fighter planes that we fly about our mother's
castle. I am the better flyer and my sister is just learning so she always crashes. One day I went to
the shops to buy some fuel. While I was waiting in the queue I picked up a magazine and started to
read it. I came to a picture of Will Smith and I stared at it. When I looked up he was standing right
in front of me, looking at me. We chatted for a while and I bought the magazine and invited him
back to the castle on my jet for some lunch.
Dream comments: It isn't the first dream I've had with Will Smith in it; I had one the night before.
Also I've always wanted my own plane.
Dream title: The Man
Dream date: started 3 years ago
Dreamer name: LDL
Dream text: Three years ago I started having a dream about walking in the park with a faceless
man. The wind was blowing and brushing the leaves against our face. The wind and the water made
it colder yet. I never saw a face until the 1st part of October 2004. Then a couple of weeks later I
was chatting on the internet and received a message from a gentleman that was passing through
where I currently live, and wanted someone to show him the sights. After a while I told him I
would. He showed me his web cam which distorted his face. But when I picked him up for our
sight, seeing thing he was the man in the dreams that I had been having. We spent a great week
together. The initial dream which I just described has since gone into another segment which shows
him and me meeting again and while I'm not sure I see him and I coming home to each other in our
future.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: My boyfriend's death
Dream date: 11/06/04
Dreamer name: da
Dream text: I had a nightmare about my boyfriend's death. What happened in my dream is that I
was in my old house in West Milford New Jersey and it was night out...I walked into the house and
there were 5 or 6 guys in the kitchen; some were sitting and some were standing against the
counter. I asked them "what are you guys doing?" They said that they were FBI agents. So all of
sudden I got this thought in my mind that my boyfriend's mom had some thing to do with it. So I
called her and asked her what was going on and explained what had happened. All she was doing
was laughing and she didn't say any thing at all. All of sudden I heard this gun shot I ran inside and
my boyfriend had a blanket over his head. But he still continued to smoke his cigarette even though
the blanket was over his head. There was no blood but I asked "What happened?" They said he
killed himself but I knew that wasn't true; for some reason I knew it wasn't true even though I was
outside when it happened. It was like I had this vision after the supposed FBI agents told me he did
it to himself. My vision was that I saw one of them shoot him. It was very foggy when I saw the
vision. Then I woke up and it upset me to the point where I couldn't stop crying because the dream
felt so real. I was crying in my sleep and it felt like I woke up crying.
Dream comments: My boyfriend never had a criminal background, never had to deal with authority
in a wrong way. He's not involved in organized crime, he's not a cop he's a pool maintenance
manager. No one in my family has anything to do with any of that. He's not depressed and he
would tell me stuff like that. His life is good. He doesn't have enemies and I know all his friends.
He doesn't owe anybody money. There is absolutely nothing in our lives that I can link this dream
to. We have lived with each other for 6 years and I have known him for 8 years. Could you please
help me figure out what this dream means if it means any thing at all?? My boyfriend is 22 years
old and I am 22 years old - does that have any thing to do with it?
Dream title: Visitors unknown
Dream date: Unknown
Dreamer name: S
Dream text: I saw myself standing in a building, waiting to enter an elevator. It was dark and
somewhat isolated and I was the only person waiting to enter the elevator. The elevator door
opened and I went ahead and stepped inside (or so I thought) as the elevator began to ascend. As it
was rising I realized that it was gaining speed.as I looked up toward the ceiling of the elevator I
suddenly noticed that I was actually standing on top of the outer part of it. At this point it was
traveling at a high speed and I was helpless to do anything to stop it. As I stared up to see where I
was headed I knew that no matter how much I screamed for help I would not be able to avoid the
inevitable. As the elevator continued to ascend I noticed a solid surface above me which was
approaching fast. I was about to be crushed and could do nothing to avoid it. As the elevator finally
reached the top I don't recall feeling any pain the only thing I recall was darkness. I then saw
myself walking in a hallway of a large building which seemed to be a hospital. At a distance I could
see a group of women gathered close togther. As I approached them I realized they were my family
membes - my mother and four sisters. They were sobbing as if they were in sorrow and feeling
deep sadness.i called out to them but they did not acknowledge me nor would they respond. I tried
to reach out and touch them to let them know I was there but my hand just went through them.
That's when I suddenly realized I was invisible and something was not right. As I stood there I
heard them saying how much they would miss me and how much they loved me. I cried out to them
"i'm alive, i'm right here!" my focus was then turned to the top of the elevator where I saw my body
crushed and puddles of blood had formed around it. It was at this point that I knew I was dead and
awoke from that dream feeling very uneasy.
Dream comments: I do not understand why I had had this disturbing dream. I have had numerous
dreams I find interesting. I don't know which one to share first. I have heard that if you ever die in a
dream then you also die in real life. I have had dreams where I die and yet I am still here to write
about them. This is one such dream.
Dream title: none
Dream date: none
Dreamer name: unknown
Dream text: In the dream, I switched places with the me in the Stargate sg1 reality. The other me
there was also 21, but still in high school.
The family, however, has all of the problems as here, but they have at least one thing extra I
noticed. The other me has a PC note that's wireless and they take it to school to do their work
on/playing around. And they have the same class and room as I did.
And their teacher was also Mrs. T!
I appeared in the hall, sort of always from the way down into Stairwell 1. I went to use it when I
saw Colonel Harry Maybourne standing, with beard and civvies against the wall! I asked what he
was doing there, and he was sort of quiet about it. Next thing I know, I hear echoes in the stairwell
of people talking and walking! These people stop just at the door I am outside of. They don't notice
me because they are turned around still talking to whoever.
I recognize the person I am looking at as Bert Samuels! I turn to run and Maybourne says from
behind me, "Where are you going?"
"To alert my classmates."
"Why should to be concerned about them?" I turned to Maybourne, a disbelieving look on my face
at his question
"There are innocent kids in that class." I replied. "I am not letting them be scared because of one
person!" I concentrated on the hallway leading to Mrs. T's class, and said 'Rel por!" This was the
teleport spell in uo. I was standing in the exact same hallway! I ran down the hall and forced myself
to knock quietly on the door to room 227. Someone opened the door and I walked in. Mrs. T was
sitting at her desk, grading work or something. I looked over at where I was seated and saw the PC
notebook closed sitting there. I grabbed the work (that I had to do) off my desk and went to the
Mac computer that was next to Mrs. T's desk. I booted it up and soon was typing out my work.
"Oh by the way," I reply. "There is some military guy coming up to here."
"How do you know?" Mrs. T asks.
"Because when I was coming up the stairwell, I heard them talking behind me!"
I gathered my finished work from the printer and went back to my desk. I flipped up my PC
notebook, turned the volume down, and loaded up Unreal Tournament. Trisha came up and asked
what it was and I showed her. She was bent over, playing a bit of U.T. when someone opened the
door. Trisha flipped the thing down quickly, shutting it off in the process. I went and sat down back
at the Mac. Bert Samuels stood against where my desk was, hands clasped in front.
"Have you seen Brandon Samuels?" He asked. Mrs. T. This I do
know, Brandon is not related to military Samuels!
"Can't say that I have," She replied.
Samuels caught me looking at him. "Have you seen him, Miss?"
"No, I haven't." I technically was telling the truth, but what if the Mindy over here saw him? And I
knew Brandon was in trouble if the Air Force was called on him! "His bus had to pass mine this
morning, but he wasn't on it."
"Thank you very much." He replied, smiling at me and Mrs. T.
He left.
"Did you tell the truth Mindy?" Taylor asked. "Or did you just lie to him to protect Brandon?"
"I didn't see him; I have no idea where he is."
As I was sitting down, Brandon walked in, with his coat on and book bag tossed over his shoulder.
He handed Mrs. T a blue pass. It turned out that he was sick this morning, but got better enough to
still go to school.
"Hey, Brandon, by the way this guy was looking for you. He was from the military" I told him, not
knowing what his reaction would be.
"Oh, no, oh sh**!" I heard Brandon whisper. Mrs. Taylor didn't hear him, thankfully. Calmly he
went to his desk. Next thing we knew, he climbed out of the small window! Mrs. T, Trisha, and I
jumped up with exclamations. He found a ladder and climbed down with his book bag.
Mrs. Taylor grabbed her cell phone and started dialing. "I am calling the cops to look for him." She
said to us. "The school does not allow kids to behave like this."
I packed up my things and sat at my desk. I saw from a schedule taped to my desk that I had
permission to leave early. I hoisted my big black pack that held my Notebook on my shoulder.
"Bye." I called out.
I walked down the hall all of the way to the side exit. I grunted and thought to hell with it! I passed
through the door, glass and all!
I heard this shout, "What the h** did you do?"
I turned around and saw that there was this black girl (who looked about 17) in the doorway of the
sign in office. I mentally rolled my eyes and pushed the door open and walked back in. "I used the
door."
"The h** you did, and I'm reporting you for being a little witch!"
The girl grabbed me by my arm and pulled me to the office. She pushed me down in the waiting
seat. "You sit your *** there until I get the assistant principal!" She went in the back of the office
and went into a door. Mrs. Kraft came out, talking with the black girl.
"What's the problem?" Kraft asked me. "Nikita says she saw you pass through a door."
"I didn't. I opened the door the normal way and she starts screaming at me calling me a little witch
and stuff."
"Nikita," Kraft began scolding, "What have I told you about lying about other people?"
"BUT MRS. KRAFT," Nikita began with a very shocked look as she looked from to the woman.
"SHE DID DO IT!"
"You may go." Kraft told me.
I turned to leave and I felt something coming at me. I threw out my hand behind me and caught it
without looking. I saw that it was a ceramic cactus. "SEE WHAT I TOLD YOU!" Nikita yelled.
"SHE AIN'T
HUMAN!"
"Good catch Mindy." As I handed it over to Kraft, she rounded on Nikita. "That is my collector
piece that cost one hundred-"
I left in middle of their argument. I decided to open the door the right way just in case Nikita was
vying to get me in trouble again.
I walked across the parking lots and then was walking on the left side of the road, going towards
the light. I hear this noise behind me and I turn around. This black sports car is coming to a stop.
"Do you need some help?" The driver was Walter Davis, the tech from Sg1!
"Could you please give me a ride, if you don't mind?"
"Sure, hop on in."
I told him where I lived and we were riding down Fairgrounds road when he noticed my sort of
miff ness. "What's wrong?"
"Oh, it's nothing you did. This kid and I had an argument."
"What was that about?"
"She claimed to see me pass like a ghost through a door or something. I think she smoked too
much."
He agreed with me and we continued to talk about small talk. We soon pulled into my driveway
and I saw some other cars in there! I grabbed my computer and school bag. "Well, thanks for the
lift." I replied. "Have a great day." I got out and my mom walked up to me. "What is company
doing here?"
"You'll see, come on."
We walked up the ramp and into the house. When we walked in, I had my back turned to the rest of
the living room as I dropped off my bags. I turned back around to face the living room. General
Hammond and all of Sg1, minus Teal'c, were in our living room! Walter Davis was now standing
back against the door and arms crossed.
"Hello Mindy," General Hammond began. I redirected my attention to him. "Colonel O'Neil would
like to say something." He added, seeing he had my attention.
Jack stood up and looked right at me. He was wearing a brown leather jacket that wasn't zipped up.
He also had on what looked like to me
a blue shirt. With a neutral expression, he stated, "We know you
know about the Stargate."
My blood froze at that statement! I thought quickly, snapped my fingers, and replied, "D@%#! It
looks like I am going to have to come up with a new story idea!"
"A story," Sam began. "What's that about?"
"I was going to have it like a man-made wormhole, but I am going to have to go back to my time
machine idea, I guess."
"We would like to confirm your story; may we see your computer?"
Hammond replied.
I dug it out of its pack and set it on the blue fold-up table. Sam sat in front of it, quickly entering in
some commands. "No sir, as far as I know, she's telling the truth. No story ideas on it, but there's
not any stuff on the project either."
"Tell the truth." A voice from near the fireplace made me jump.
I turned around and saw that Major Paul Davis was there too! He was wearing his Pentagon
uniform! He sat on the edge of the hospital bed where the air pump machine was. Dad was lying in
the bed, on his back or side, I can't quite remember.
"I am."
"It would be easier on your family if you did tell the truth." He replied gently, looking at me
sincerely.
"Please tell them, Mindy." Dad replied, starting to get depressed.
"I've told you what it was about, the story." I told Davis.
Hammond stood up with the rest of them. "Ok, we will go. But if we hear you've lied to us, we will
be back."
They left and I turned to mom. "Mom, I have a headache, I will take a rest."
I was asleep in bed, due to the headache of the day's stresses.
Suddenly, my mom called to me, I started to awake, forcing me to open my eyes.
"What?" I asked, still half asleep.
"We have to lift your dad up." She replied.
When she left down the hall to the living room, I groaned, put on my glasses and got out of bed. I
met them up there a second later.
Mom pulled the pillows out from his side and pulled the bed out and set the brakes. I went to the
left side of the bed and used the remote to lower the head part of the bed. We got in positions and
we each grabbed our sides of the draw sheet.
"One, two-" my mom began. Suddenly, the front door opened, making me turn around quickly.
Major Davis walked in the door, still wearing his light blue pants and blue jacket.
"Did I interrupt something?" He asked. "I accidentally left my bag here." He saw me and mom on
either side of the bed. 'What are you two doing?" He asked, confused.
"He slips down into the bed sometimes," I replied. "And we need to pull him back up using the
draw sheet."
"Ah," He replied, getting it. He quickly went and retrieved a big, thick black bag and left.
By time we got him lifted up in the bed, Davis was completely gone.
Mom pushed the bed back and hit the button to bring the front part of the bed up again. I wheeled
the tray around in front of him and mom placed a plate of what we were going to have for dinner on
his tray.
"I need to go to the bathroom real quick." I lied. When I shut the working door behind me, locked it
and opened the seat loudly, I woke up.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Filling out forms
Dream date: 11/07/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: My girlfriend and I were filing out forms. The forms keep filling out themselves and
we were getting frustrated.
Dream comments: I couldn't sleep and I was thinking about all night and I don't know why. My
girlfriend and I had just gotten into a big fight. I want to no if that had anything to do with it.
Dream title: Strange
Dream date: none
Dreamer name: CN
Dream text: This guy from my school who I barely know, but have always thought was just
gorgeous, was way into to me in this dream. I totally had his full attention and after I had sex with
him, he didn't have anything to do with me. He wanted to buy me all these things, like clothes
jewelry etc. I was so devastated because I had really liked him for him and I did not want all these
things. I just wanted him, but he really did not want a relationship with me.
Dream comments: Why do you think this may have been? What was the purpose of this dream? I
am totally clueless. I have never thought about a guy I did not know that well and it's out of my
character to sleep with them. I was ashamed because he really wanted nothing to do with me except
to buy me things.
Dream title: Changing wigs
Dream date: 11/8/04
Dreamer name: A
Dream text: I was talking with my step mom and she started to show me papers that I needed to
sign. As I started to read the papers, they were blank. After that, my dream changed to where I was
putting on different color wigs. One by one, I was looking at myself with them on in the mirror.
Dream comments: what does that mean?
Dream title: Saved
Dream date: 11/04/04
Dreamer name: p5
Dream text: I walk into some kind of convention center or hotel setting. There are a lot of people. I
begin searching for someone or something. It is not revealed to me at the beginning of the dream.
Before I can find what I am looking for, there is a catastrophe of some kind. The nature of the event
is not revealed. I fall off the tall building, as I fall I am made aware of a single tile in the concrete
that I am to touch...I am not afraid in the dream but whether guided to this single tile...As I fall to
the ground I touch the tile, which immediately turns a different "glowing" color. At the instant that
I touch the tile I call out and say, "Jesus please save me." Instantly I am surrounded by the people
that begin to shout she is healed, how could she have survived...I go back into the building to look
for my daughter, I could not find her...Then an enormous figure of a previous pastor I knew appears
on the phone in the middle of the building asking me for my story... I wake up w/o being able to
find my daughter...
Dream comments: none
Dream title: my ex-boyfriend
Dream date: 11-8-2004
Dreamer name: ai
Dream text: My dream was that I was on the phone talking to my ex-boyfriend. I let him know that
I missed him but what he did was wrong, he did not have to take it that far. And the next thing I
knew I was married to him and everything was going good but in real life everything is going bad.
Dream comments: Please tell me what this dream means; I have no idea what this means
Dream title: Dog Bite
Dream date: 11/8/04
Dreamer name: SB
Dream text: I keep having this dream of my dog biting me in the rear. When he does this, I quickly
turn around to bite him right back, drawing blood. My dog then starts to talk to me and the next
thing I know, my dog and I are getting married in this small chapel in Las Vegas, with a Michael
Jackson theme. Then my dog and I walk back down the aisle after our marriage is confirmed and
all of a sudden we're at a private beach resort.
Dream comments: Please help. This is a non-stop re-occurring dream!
Dream title: a kiss
Dream date: I don't know
Dreamer name: A
Dream text: I kissed a guy I liked. While we were kissing, he had a really long nose, really long
teeth, and he didn't look like himself. When I pulled away he went back to normal.
Dream comments: does it mean something?
Dream title: none
Dream date: none listed
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I'm in a fight with someone and I'm throwing my punches as hard as I can, but it's like
I'm tapping them with my fist!!
Dream comments: I know I'm strong, but I have had this dream like 6 times. I don't know what it
means.
Dream title: Tornadoes
Dream date: 11-9-04
Dreamer name: L
Dream text: I am dreaming about a tornado that is right by my house. It hasn't done anything to our
mobile home, except shake it. My mom and my sister and I are the only ones home. I always wake
up while the tornado is coming closer.
Dream comments: I have had this dream a lot and it is almost the same every time.
Dream title: always running, working, babies, late husband, late mother, scared snakes.
Dream date: November 10, 2004
Dreamer name: Galieo
Dream text: Not meeting deadlines at work; I am retired.
I see my late mother and late husband. I work so hard all night in my dreams that I am actually tired
in the morning.
Dream comments: I am extremely happy with my life now. I am married to a loving and giving
man that treats me like a princess.
Dream title: A white & little gray on face -pretty fluffy full grown male cat
Dream date: First week of Nov. 2004
Dreamer name: sm
Dream text: I opened the driver's door to my car and discovered a beautiful strange cat. The cat
seemed to know it belonged with me. The cat was on the floor of the passenger-side next to me.
Dream comments: The cat is mine and he knows it. He had been waiting for me the whole time I
was away. I loved the cat at first sight and knew someone had brought him to me to find.
Dream title: Adventures in the magical foresights
Dream date: 11/13/04
Dreamer name: J
Dream text: My dream was a difficult one to understand all I can remember is that I was kind of
like a Harry Potter in my dream. Now this isn't the first time when I was like Harry Potter in my
dream. I was more of a grown up Harry Potter, because I was married in my dream. But I can't
remember who my wife was. My dream took place in the school where Harry Potter attends, but it
was more of a beautiful penthouse. At this so-called hotel/school, I try to get some money off my
wife, but some spirit or ghost would not let me. He would chant spells at me and I would do the
same back, like a magical war. In one casting, he sent me flying out the penthouse window in a
miniature bus. Then my so-called wife saved me and brought me back to normality and size. Then I
flew up to the room again and tried again to get some. We were under the covers getting all fresh
and sweaty. The bed was all beige linen sheets and it was a hardwood type floor, kind of like a
mountain home. (But when you went out the door it was all stone and the moving staircases). I
think we even ate at the dining table with all the other guests, which I can't totally remember their
age or gender.
Dream comments: Can you try to make sense out of this for me please; I have had this dream twice.
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