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++ Editor's Notes
++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com
++ Cover Artist's Statement
Laura N. Atkinson
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
Jan Hart's Unique Lucid Dreaming
By Lucy Gillis
++ Article: How Real is the Dream?
By Linda Lane Magallón
++ Column: A View from the Bridge
Report on the World Dreams Peace Bridge
Dafumu Dreaming
By Jean Campbell
++ Newsletter: The Waves: 03. Star Trek to Sirius
By Nick Cumbo
++ Article: DreamWork for Everyday Life
Susan Clemons
++ Article: How Will Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
A conversation about androids and dreaming
Richard Wilkerson
and the ASD Online Community
D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Volume #661 - #669
With Editors Elizabeth Westlake and Harry Bosma
D E A D L I N E :
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Welcome to the July 2003 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to
dreams and dreaming online.
If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the
resources you need. To join send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
or if you are interested in sharing dreams for world peace, please
join the World Dreams Peace Bridge
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org
It's Conference Time! If you haven't registered yet for the
Twentieth Annual International Conference of the Association for
the Study of Dreams that will be sailing into Berkeley, California
between June 27th and July 1, then stop right now and make your
plans and get registered at http://www.asdreams.org/2003
This is the most fabulous dream event on earth. There will be over
a hundred presentations and workshops, plus special events and the
Annual Dream Ball where you can come as your favorite dream person
and dance with a wide assortment of costumed dreamers.
Lucy Gillis offers Electric Dreams a selection each month from her
_Lucid Dream Exchange_. The current issue of LDE is devoted to the
unique lucid dreamer. The excerpt in this issue is a lucid dream
from Jan Hart where she travels in a unique lucid adventure,
meeting a mentor, viewing past and present lives and visiting
friends.
Break out of binary thinking and join the universe! In
Linda Magallón's "How Real is the Dream?" the doors of perception
open up from the limited views of dreams that are just hidden-
revealed or big-small, dream or not-dream. Get your tools honed
for entering realities that aren't given to you by someone else.
Jean Campbell, spokesperson for the international dreaming and
outreach group World Dreams Peace Bridge (WDPB) has a monthly
report for us called the View from the Bridge. This month she
explains how the group is practicing DAFUMU dreaming and how you
can participate.
Nick Cumbo newsletter and column reports on the explorations of
the Sea Life community. Sea Life, the main web forum at
Dreampeace, aims to bring together a circle of dreamers from
around the globe, collaborating in dreaming adventures, and
'dreaming with and for the earth itself.' This month, The Waves
03 looks at dreams of Sirius, and the system's relevance to life
on Earth; From ancient knowledge of the system to key themes that
arose in our adventures. Also included, dreams as a way of a
communicating on a galactic or transdimensional level.
Susan Clemons has been an active dreamer for many years and has
recently noticed that the kinds of interaction that occur in
online dream groups are the kinds of interaction she would like to
incorporate into her daily life. In "DreamWork for Everyday Life"
Susan explores what it is that she likes about these interactions
and what kinds of guidelines might promote such a community.
Tribal assassins, snakes in the yard, man forced to live in glass
cylinders
is this the end of the world? No, its just the
Electric Dreams section on DREAMS! This section is beautifully
edited by Elizabeth Westlake [with the help of Harry Bosma's
editor program].
If you have dreams you want published, don't send them to
Elizabeth directly, but rather enter them in the form at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
Or you can put them in the dream flow directly by subscribing to:
dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to
stop by one of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
NEW from Nick Cumbo, Electric Dreams in PDF:
http://www.dreamofpeace.net/community/electricdreams/
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Dream Week declared by San Francisco and Berkeley Mayors.
The 2003 ASD International Dream Conference in Berkeley is July
27- June 1. http://www.asdreams.org/2003
Cover at:
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The cover this month is from Laura Atkinson and Richard Wilkerson
-Richard Wilkerson
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
web@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
-- "Dream Week" to Feature Experts on Sleep and Dreams
At International ASD Conference
-- Book: Dream Catcher by Patricia Garfield, Ph.D.
-- Book: Dreams of Healing by Kelly Bulkeley, Ph.D.
-- Jung Seminars via E-mail
-- Alexandria Project: Preservation of Dream Resources
-- Bosma Online Lucidity Training
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
-- How Will Machines Dream?
-- Computer Dreams Survey
-- Dream Survey by Kelly Bulkeley
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
-- Dream Cartoon Online
-- YourGuidetoDreams.com
-- Ancient Dream Book online
-- ASD O.n.l.i.n.e
-- SacredDreams.net now online!
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>>>> "Dream Week" to Feature Experts on Sleep and Dreams
At International ASD Conference
June 27 - July 1, 2003
Berkeley, California
BERKELEY, CA The week of June 27-July 3 has been declared Dream
Week by the mayors of both San Francisco and Berkeley to honor the
international Association for the Study of Dreams which is holding
its 20th annual conference at the new Doubletree Hotel at the
Berkeley Marina that week. The proclamations also recognize the
50th anniversary of the discovery of REM (rapid eye movement)
sleep, a breakthrough that proved that the phenomenon of dreaming
is universal. William Dement, M.D., part of the University of
Chicago team who identified this sleep cycle, will give a keynote
presentation on the progress in sleep and dream research over the
past 50 years. Dement was also a founder of the pioneering
Stanford Sleep Disorder clinic.
INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED EXPERTS TO PRESENT
The ASD conference, entitled Dreaming by the Bay, includes over
100 diverse presentations by the world's foremost dream
researchers, authors, and clinicians. Included are workshops and
seminars that feature psychological, medical, artistic,
anthropological, spiritual, and cinematic perspectives on
dreaming. New findings on the psychology and meaning of dreams by
European, Australian, Asian, and North American researchers will
be presented. Conference Program Chair and past-President of ASD,
Alan Siegel, Ph.D., will conduct a series of Continuing Education
presentations with psychotherapists and researchers on the meaning
of dreams and their use in psychotherapy. This will include a
session on cultural and ethical issues in working with trauma
survivors' dreams and nightmares, featuring vignettes of
nightmares of survivors of natural disasters, war, terrorism, and
accidents.
DREAMS, SPIRIT AND RELIGION
The link between dreams, spirit, and religion will be explored in
a keynote address and panel discussions by world renowned
comparative religion scholar, Huston Smith, Ph.D., with Peter
Kingsley, Ph.D. and Kelly Bulkeley, Ph.D. Acclaimed psychologist
and parapsychologist, Stanley Krippner, Ph.D. will participate on
a panel about dreams and shamanism, and present research on
paranormal dreaming. Pioneering researcher Stephen LaBerge,
Ph.D., founder of the Lucidity Institute, will talk about current
research on dreaming and consciousness.
DREAMS, CREATIVITY AND THE ARTS
The interface between the world of dreams and visual imagery will
be explored through cinema and art. Two symposia will show the
impact and portrayal of dream in classical and contemporary
cinema. There will also be a juried exhibit of dream-inspired art
where artists will be available to discuss their work, and a slide
show of dream-related art. Even Harry Potter will attend the
conference when San Francisco psychotherapist, Gail Grynbaum,
Ph.D., discusses the nightmares of Harry Potter. A series of
expressive arts workshops are also on the program.
ASSOCIATION FOR THE STUDY OF DREAMS
The Association for the Study of Dreams is the only organization
of its kind in the world. This non-profit, international,
multidisciplinary organization has a diverse membership
representing a variety of dream-related activities, including
academic research, clinical practice, and individual study.
CONFERENCE AND CONTACT INFORMATION
Members of the public may register for conference activities on a
space-available basis. Reporters are welcome to cover
presentations. Please go to the registration desk and request a
press pass. Media access to workshops is strictly limited;
reporters must receive approval to attend from workshop leaders.
For additional information on ASD and the conference program visit
our website, www.ASDreams.org or call toll-free at 1-866-DREAM12.
MEDIA CONTACTS ARE:
Alan Siegel at (510) 527-7929 or dreamsdr@aol.com
Wendy Pannier at (610) 995-1507 or wpannier@capitalanalysts.com
>>>> Book: Dream Catcher by Patricia Garfield, Ph.D.
Coming October 2003
Dream Catcher: A Young Person's Journal for Exploring Dreams.
Full of fascinating information for ensuring safe sleep and bright
dreams
drawn from lore around the world, Dream Catcher also invites
readers to begin their own dream quest.
This is also the companion book for The Dream Book: A Young
Person's Guide to Understanding Dreams
by Patricia Garfield, Ph.D.
Winner of a Parent's Guide Children's Media Award
The Young Hoosiers Award Nomination
The 2002 Children's Media Awards are sponsored by Parent's Guide
to Children's Media, Inc., a non-profit corporation that locates,
reviews, and honors outstanding materials for children and teens.
http://www.patriciagarfield.com
>>> Book: Dreams of Healing by Kelly Bulkeley
Dreams of Healing: Transforming Nightmares into Visions of Hope
(Paulist Press, 2003)
This book shows the value of dreams in helping people who have
suffered a personal and/or community crisis to work through their
losses and develop a new capacity for creative living. The focus
is on the tremendous healing potential of dreaming in times of
crisiseven the most terrifying post-traumatic nightmares are part
of a healing process that ultimately leads to a deepening of
spiritual wisdom and self-understanding. Dozens of examples are
given of people who are trying to deal with a horrible collective
disaster (like the terrorist attack of September 11) as well as
people who have suffered personal catastrophes like sexual abuse,
auto accidents, house fires, etc. The book's goal is to provide
readers with a basic set of skills to use in working with dreams
and nightmares during times of crisis and disaster.
http://www.kellybulkeley.com
>>> Jung Seminars via E-mail
For approximately 6 years, the C.G. Jung Page has sponsored the
"Jung-Seminars," moderated e-mail discussions that were led by
Jungian analysts and scholars and focused on a recently published
book by the seminar leader.
We are grateful to have had the participation and support of
analysts and Jungian scholars such as Murray Stein (Chicago,
current IAAP President), Susan Rowland (London, IAJS Convenor),
John Beebe (San Francisco, current President of the San Francisco
Institute), Ann Casement (London; member, IAAP Executive
Committee), Michael Vannoy Adams (New York), Thomas Singer (San
Francisco), Thomas Kirsch (San Francisco, former IAAP President),
Andrew Samuels (London), Sue Austin (Sydney, Australia), Wolfgang
Giegerich (Wörthsee, Germany), Daryl Sharp (Toronto; publisher of
Inner City Books), and Katherine Benziger (Silverthorne, Colorado;
creator of the Benziger Thinking Styles Assessment).
The Jung-Seminars were held over 3-4 day periods and always
enjoyed very active and stimulating discussion during those brief
but intense days of correspondence. There were usually 140 or more
subscribers to each seminar; most subscribers "listened in" while
perhaps 30 to 50 people would participate in the dialogue.
Don Roper, an Economics Professor at the University of Colorado at
Boulder, created "Communications for a Sustainable Future" (CSF)
and generously hosted the Jung-Seminars from its inception. Don
will be retiring from the University in August, however, and CSF
will no longer be hosting e-mail discussion lists. There are many
more resources on the internet for such discussions, and I will be
looking for new ways to offer an online resource comparable to the
Jung-Seminars.
For the remaining time I turned over the use of the Jung-Seminars
exclusively to the newly formed International Association for
Jungian Studies (IAJS)--an organization for the collaboration of
Jungian analysts, psychotherapists, professors, students, and
independent scholars. The Jung-Seminars discussion list is
available to anyone who becomes a member of IAJS. You can learn
more about IAJS by visiting the web site at:
www.cgjungpage.org/iajs.html.
Membership of IAJS is open to those from any discipline, artistic
or cultural practice with an interest in Jungian and Post-Jungian
Studies at a scholarly level including analysts and
psychotherapists. Masters and doctoral students and candidates
undertaking clinical trainings pay dues at a reduced rate. All
members shall have equal voting rights.
Dues: These have been kept as low as possible and there are two
fee bands. For members from the United States and Canada,
W.Europe, Japan and Australia the annual fee is $42.00. Those from
the rest of the world will pay $21.00. Students and candidates in
training will pay half the appropriate rate.
I hope that many of you will join and participate in the growth of
IAJS.
Any new developments with the Jung-Seminars will be mailed to you
via the Friends-of-CGJung mailing list.
Donald Williams <dwilliam@earthnet.net>
>>> Alexandria Project: Preservation of Dream Resources
The Alexandria Project
For The Donation & Preservation Of Dream Resources
The Alexandria Project is named after the famous library in
Egypt (founded ca. 300 B.C.) which stored the collective wisdom of
the Hellanistic world. At this point in history, there has been a
resurgence of dream materials from a broad spectrum of sources.
Today we can gather a wide variety of information and knowledge on
the subject of dreams. Due to modern technology, we have an
unparalleled opportunity and responsibility to keep these
materials available for the present and safe for the future. The
long-term goal for this collection is to use electronic means to
scan, duplicate and access these materials.
The fact is that the dream resources of our age are vanishing due
to the lack of a central collection point.
Dreamers and dreamworkers are producing and collecting dream
materials which have no place to go where people who care about
dreams can access them now and in the future. The Alexandria
Project is the remedy to that situation.
Specifically what is needed now? Dream-related Materials:
Books, hardcover and soft, dream inspired fiction and nonfiction,
adult and children, which have at least one chapter on dreams.
Rare books, welcome for the archive. Unpublished manuscripts
including bachelor, master and doctoral theses. Conference papers,
term papers, published and unpublished articles. Pamphlets and
bookets. Newspaper clippings, dream cartoons and notecards. Short
stories, poetry and sheet music. Periodicals, both current and
past. Teaching materials, resums, business cards or a personal
statement of how you work or play with dreams. Flyers, past and
present, including xerox copies. Audio tapes, video tapes and cds
of dream-related music. Photos, colored xerox and slides of
dreamworkers, events and art. Dream-inspired art and incubation
materials. Dream-related products and devices.
FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS
Money to acquire precious materials available only through
purchase. Funding to assure non-profit status.
Materials donated to the Alexandria Project go to the Dream
Library and Archive located at the Dream Library and Archive in
Novato, California. Both the Project and the Dream Library and
Archive have been in existence since 1990. The Dream Library and
Archive (previously the Novato Center For Dreams) was founded in
1987. The Dream Library includes an on-site reference library
available by appointment and a lending library. The Archive houses
on-site rare or fragile materials which receive special care and
handling. Once the library holdings reached 1000 titles, momentum
and interest from the dreaming community increased dramatically.
How have people become involved in this project so far? Donated
used books from their own collections, especially at time of
moving and spring cleaning. Offered complimentary autographied
copies of their works. Sent copies of past and current flyers or
brochures. Given complimentary dream products. Donated
subscriptions to a dream periodical or a set of back issues.
Scouted for unaquired titles in their own area or while traveling.
Contributed a piece of dream art for wall display. Recommended
materials for inclusion in collection. Posted project requests and
placed Center on their mailing list. Visited the Center and took
advantage of the opportunity to informally document themselves and
their work via photograph, audio and video tape. Duplicated slides
for the slide registry. Separated their dream books etc from other
books and sent a list of dream materials owned to the Center.
Volunteered time at the Center; do data entry. Sorted out dream
materials for donation at a later date. Made bequests and included
the Dream Library and Archive during estate planning.
How can I donate?
Send materials to Jill Gregory, Director of the Dream Library &
Archive, Novato Center For Dreams, 29 Truman Drive, Novato, CA
94947 / (415) 897-7955
To volunteer for the project, please contact Jill Gregory.
Available for volunteers are further information on this project,
a wish list of materials desired and a current list of holdings.
Join us in collecting and preserving our dream gifts and wisdom
for all of us ... now and for the future!
>>> Bosma Online Lucidity Training
Bosma Online lucidity training
"I'm planning to bring together a group of lucid and aspiring
lucid dreamers. The group would have two objectives. First, get
more lucid dreams within a few weeks. Second, evaluate success
factors at the end. The whole project will run on a website, with
a secured discussion board as the main center of activity. Every
week will have a theme, including exercises, and online polls or
surveys. I will ask everyone to post as many dreams as possible,
especially those dreams that are lucid or prelucid."
"The duration of the whole project is five weeks, which should be
long enough for everyone to get at least two lucid dreams. Five is
also a fitting symbol, as it stands for transformation. Through
this project everyone will be transformed into a lucid dreamer!
The group starts on July 26th, and will have a minimum of 20
participants and a maximum of around 25. The project is designed
to be fun, perhaps even a bit magical. The admission fee consists
of USA $20 and one incubated dream."
For more information, please email Harry Bosma, hbosma@xs4all.nl.
Harry Bosma is the creator of the Alchera dream software and the
Lucille reminder tool, website www.mythwell.com.
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>> How will machines dream?
Electric Dreams Research Survey
In the January 97 issue of 21-C: Scanning the Future, Darren
Tofts asks a variety of people if androids will dream. "Trapped
within the enigma of Philip K. Dick's query [Do Androids Dream of
Electric Sheep?] is the conundrum of being. For within his
machine's struggle for humanity is our own philosophical quest for
the nature of existence and the acknowledgement of the self."
However, the answers received from the digiteratti were banal and
dull, hopelessly stuck on the question of whether or not machines
can be conscious or not. Clearly the respondents knew very little
about dreaming as a process, subjectively or objectively.
So, let's fast forward through this question and just assume the
positive, that some machines in the future will be dreaming,
either by design, necessity or mutated nature. Now he question
becomes "How will androids dream of electric sheep?"
Give it your best shot, be bizarre, mutant, radical. (if you
like, you can include why you think machines must dream, but what
I most essentially would like to see is HOW you feel machines
might dream.)
Please add the following to your answer if you are willing:
"I give permission to Electric Dreams to reproduce and publish my
answer to 'How will androids dream of electric sheep?'" Name or
Penname: _______________ and Name or Penname to be used on
EDreams: _______________
Send to rcwilk@dreamgate.com
>>> Computer Dreams Survey
Are you having computer dreams?
Includes dreams of computers, programming, peripherals, Internet
venues, and anything digital. Androids, robots and SciFi themes
OK.
Questionnaire Online:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/computers/computerdreams.htm
Also, you can :
e-mail them to me, Richard Wilkerson, at rcwilk@dreamgate.com
drop them off anonymously at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
fill out the ascii plain text version
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/computers/computerdreams_survey.txt
and e-mail or snail to
Computer Survey
%DreamGate
4644 Geary Blvd PMB 171
San Francisco, CA 94118
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DETAILS:
Are you dreaming of problems with your hard disk, getting
connected, the wrong programs coming up, not being able to find
the file you want? Does your computer turn you on, and have you
found yourself mating with a digital partner or cyborg sex? Has
god spoken to you through your computer in a dream? Has the
computer in a dream assisted you in becoming lucid?
Just as during the last turn of the century, we shifted from horse
and carriage dreams to cars, trucks and jets, now too we are
entering a new cyber-symbolic era of networking and global
interface. What dream content will remain, what will change?
This is a joint study by Electric Dreams and DreamGate:
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
Note: All dreams will be published anonymously unless you would
like credit. Be *Very* clear about the personal information you
would like included, otherwise your personal info will be removed
and a pen-name assigned to the dream.
Feel free to send in articles and comments as well. Electric
Dreams is a public service network and can not offer you money
for your articles or dreams, but we can get your ideas and dreams
out to the public.
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Feel free to distribute this document on any channels or Net
venues you wish. and comments as well. Electric Dreams is a
public service network and can not offer you money for your
articles or dreams, but we can get your ideas and dreams out to
the public.
Thanks for your cooperation, look for your dreams in the upcoming
issues of Electric Dreams.
-Richard Wilkerson
editor, Electric Dreams
rcwilk@dreamgate.com
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>>> Dream Survey from Kelly Bulkeley, Ph.D.
http://www.kellybulkeley.com
KB Dream Survey
The answers you provide will contribute to the process of better
understanding how dreams are formed and what functions they serve.
You can also get a response via email of a summary of KB current
research using this questionnaire, and if you like KB will offer
comments on the dreams you describe.
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with
others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the
word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a
public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or
her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to
the links page to us
>>> Dream Cartoon Online
Website: http://www.cartoonmonkey.com
http://www.wired.com/animation/collection/chad_essley/dreaming/
Chad Essley's Woke Up Dreaming 4 Dec 2001
Chad uses Flash animation to tell his dream of false awakenings
and dream flights. [3.7 MB, Flash]
>>> YourGuidetoDreams.com
YourGuidingDreams offers two options to learn how to interpret
your own dreams with the Personalized Method for Interpreting
Dreams (PMID) dream interpretation method: (1) non-academic self-
facilitated public version, or (2) academic course for graduate
students and counseling professionals, accredited by UW-
Whitewater's Counselor Education Department, CEU available.
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From Evelyn Duesbury
"Site name: www.YourGuidingDreams.com The site came about from my
son Steven, the marketing persons comment while we were discussing
my thesis on interpreting dreams: You know, this could work pretty
well on the Web. He had just begun exploring Web development. By
2000, the first version of YourGuidingDreams.com was launched to
test the PMID process and its effectiveness on the Internet with
select ACA members. That was followed a year later by a second
test site that was put through its paces by UW-Whitewater graduate
students. Based on input and refinements from this testing and
feedback from other dream experts, a third version of the site,
accredited by the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater's Counselor
Education Department and offered through the University's Distance
Education Department, was launched in the summer of 2002. I began
teaching my first class of graduate students online that fall,
with E. Bruce Bynum as research partner and consultant to me.
During the process of offering the website to students, we
received requests from people who wanted to learn the PMID dream
interpretation method, but were either unqualified to take the
graduate level course, or wanted an inexpensive way to learn the
Method. Encouraged from positive research results and enthusiastic
support from my students, we developed this third version of
YourGuidingDreams.com, which offers a self-facilitated version in
addition to the University course. "
>>> Ancient Dream Book online
Astrampsychos: The Dream Book
[Byzantium, 9th century e.v. - Translated by Monty Cantsin]
http://textz.gnutenberg.net/textz/astrampsychos_the_dream_book.txt
>>> ASD O.n.l.i.n.e
http://asdreams.org
I thought some of you might not get to the ASD site every month
and yet are interested in the new additions to the site. If you
want an update on all ASD activities, you can subscribe to the ASD
E-News by sending an e-mail to asd-enews-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
June Additions to the ASD site:
An article by Bert O. States. "Dreams, Art and Virtual
Worldmaking"
http://www.asdreams.org/journal/articles/13-1_states.htm
Long time dream author and dream theorist Bert O. States looks at
the possible role of dreams in virtual worldmaking via fictional
formation, and how these maintain our adaptive systems. This isn't
about an exclusive function for the dream but rather how fiction's
preoccupation with daily concerns help to widen our perceptual and
response systems. The focus is not so much on the moral aspects as
the increase in mental organization skills. States finds a certain
harmony in the dream despite all the bizarreness of many dreams.
The general idea is that the inner story-telling is one of the
ways we accumulate "sums" of knowledge and expectation. Inner
narratives also help in the maintenance of our notions of human
experience. From fictional types to universal dreams, these grand
narratives, States unfolds the plots of our systems of probability
and adaptation.
From the ASD journal _Dreaming_, Vol. 13 No. 1, March 2003.
Upcoming:
Watch for the ASD Online Art Gallery to show the 2003 Art Exhibit
http://www.asdreams.org/2003
Hey, do you have trouble with nightmares?
Free Nightmare Hotline from ASD & Friends : 1-866-DRMS911
- RCW
>>> SacredDreams.net Dreamwork from Steve Smith
"The intent of Sacred Dreams is to allow individuals, couples, and
groups to tap into the creative energy of the dream, to cultivate
the dream's healing potential, and to focus on the dream's
meanings, insights, and potential for self-knowledge and self-
growth. Scared Dreams values dreamwork as a sacred and spiritual
tool toward awakening."
The site can be reached at www.SacredDreams.net.
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Jun 27-Jul 1 in Berkeley, CA
20th Annual International Conference of the Association for the
Study of Dreams. For more information, visit www.asdreams.org
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Cover Artist Statement
Laura Atkinson
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Laura N. Atkinson
sunstarz2001@yahoo.com
http://www.arthatglows.com/
As a former photojournalist, Ms. Atkinson has explored the links
between art, visual therapy, and the realities of the dream state
for many years. Her work, while being a deeply personal
exploration of her own dreams, jars the viewer with its beauty of
light interplay, form, and design. Ms. Atkinson's work has a
tactile beauty that brings viewers into her private world while
simultaneously giving one the permission to touch, feel, and
experience each piece, while making it part of his/her own world,
language, and life.
The organic nature of Ms. Atkinson's abstract shapes fuse together
to create recognizable images that strike a resonate cord. These
images are further enhanced by her use of natural and eco-friendly
tools such as water-soluble paint combinations on silk fabric. Ms.
Atkinson's use of silk is a hidden metaphor for the fluidity of
our dreams and frailty of beauty. The medium serves as a haunting
reminder of how both shimmer before us, but can disappear in the
blink of an eye. An eternal aide memoire that everything is not
always as it appears to be.
Her intuitive use of bold color and the confidence of her
brushstroke show the full force of her formidable talent.
Recently, she has begun taking commission work to interpret the
dreams of others through the brush and canvas.
In addition to exploring work through the medium of paint, Ms.
Atkinson has begun studying and photographing energy fields. A
powerful series of images from this new endeavor were recently
displayed at Rhode Island School of Design.
Dream Journaling
Ms. Atkinson maintains two dream journals; one is a written log of
her dreams. The second is a collection of visual images, without
words. She uses the two records to draw inspiration for her work.
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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The current issue of LDE is devoted to the unique lucid dreamer,
honoring his and/or her unique experiences, beliefs, and goals.
Below is a wonderful dream journey from Jan Hart where she meets a
mentor, views lives both past and present, and makes a quick visit
to an old friend.
Jan Hart
A LUCID DREAM/KEEPING AN APPOINTMENT
April 2003
There is a certain concept that has given me much satisfaction.
Namaste. My Soul Greets Your Soul. I feel fairly confidant in my
dreaming. I can recognize various types of awareness in different
types of dreams and/or dream settings. I say this because
everybody has guides in their dreams. Everyone has a Soul. My
dreaming has exemplified the multidimensionality of my self. I
recognize my "people" or my "self" while dreaming. But I also
recognize other people, or "strangers" in my dreams. I guess I am
saying this because the dream that follows was about as personally
intense for me, as say, my 16 year old going on a date with
Jennifer Lopez!
My awareness is jolted awake and I find myself before a door. I am
very excited about an appointment I am about to attend. I know
that this meeting has been scheduled for a long time. I know that
Jane Roberts is in the room on the other side of the door: I know
that I have been trying to have a volitional projection to speak
with her for years: I know that this is an appointment that I have
waited for, for a very long time.
I know that I am Jan, that I have a family and a home...I know
that I am dreaming and I know that I am completely awake.
Suddenly, filled with a bit of anxiety and excitement, I find
myself face to face with Jane Roberts. She is a little leary of me
and I feel her weariness with "seekers". I assure her that I am
not seeking her in terms of a guru or messiah or anything, but
that I have been trying to give myself the suggestion to visit
with her with a volitional projection. I tell her how amazed I am
to actually be here talking with her. I wanted to tell her about
my dreaming, how she, Rob and Seth have influenced my life and
that I am a big-time cat lover.
She moves nimbly and is quite petite (a size 5....not a too-skinny
person wearing baggy 5's, and not a 7 squeezing into a 5....she is
a true 5). She is wearing a mumu (sic) of the most hideous
fluorescent orange and pink flowers I have ever seen! I smile and
she laughs about it. She tells me that it is a guise that she
often takes to facilitate communication. I am a little bummed at
first because I don't want her to patronize me, I want to speak to
her as a friend and peer with similar ideas. I didn't come to
worship her or idolize her.....to which she immediately sparks up
and knows that it's the truth and we agree about feeling each
others personality feeling tones (Namaste) and she relaxed.
I told her that I had just finished Sue's [Sue Watkins] last two
books (to me, I think she did a book on plants, but I haven't read
that) and she was genuinely interested, so I conjured up my
conceptual feeling tones concerning the books and my love, respect
and admiration for their works (Jane, Rob, Seth, and Sue).
Jane really related and became quite animated and we bullshitted
for what seemed like hours about everything. I told her of my
life, my kids, my man, my dreams, and she told me about other
areas of awareness that she was working in. She told me about many
of the people that try to contact her for "things" and how
frustrating it all can be. To her the magic is in applying the
material in your daily life and she is amused by all of the people
trying to contact her.
Suddenly, as we are talking, we begin to share a conscious place
together. We both are our individual selves, but we are sharing
the same area/space/wave (whatever you want to call it) of
consciousness. We are suddenly about 40-45ft. in the air above a
golden bog. It is late summer, early fall. I know that we are near
the Roanoke Colonies, Virginia. We watch a door to a building (a
fort-ish type structure) open and we see a young girl dart out
with a skin of some sort (a cow's stomach with the esophagus open,
the rest sealed). She needs to get water from the hole in the bog
and she is angry and scared.
Her feelings are racing something like this: "I know we need the
water. I realize I am expendable, but this hurts, this is
frightening, why is it like this? Why do we need to live this way?
I know that the men are needed to protect us, but this isn't
right". She knows that the reason they stayed inside is to
increase the chance for survival of the rest of the colony. "If a
man went out to get water and got killed, it would be one less man
to protect the colony, but if I got killed it would only be one
less mouth to feed".....and in part, because of this attitude, she
wasn't going to get caught. She ran with her skin to a patch of
clear water about 150 feet from the "door" to fill her skin. When
she was about 12 feet from the water hole she remembered the
natives and how they would kill her if they caught her outside the
compound....
Now all of this time Jane and I are watching the scene
unfold....at the same exact time the girl becomes frightened
remembering her predicament, Jane and I see two natives standing
on a bank that overlooks the bog. Instantly there was "Namaste"
between us and the natives, us and the girl, the girl and the
natives, the girl and us, the natives and the girl and the natives
and us. We all knew that she wouldn't die from the natives. The
girl ducked down and scooped up as much water as quickly as she
could, flung the skin over her right shoulder and took off running
as gracefully as a deer, with her feet deftly going hummock to
hummock.
At this point I lost some of my lucidity. It was as if my
awareness was tethered to this girl; like a balloon on a string,
so that as she ran I was pulled along behind her about 12 feet in
the air. I watched her steps carefully, almost as if I was helping
her intentions, and I watched her land on each hummock perfectly.
She got to the door and ran inside. While my awareness was being
pulled like a balloon because I was attached to the girl, Jane's
awareness was attached to mine like a balloon. As soon as we were
inside the building, the building changed times. Where before we
were in the late 1600's early 1700's, I knew that although we were
in basically the same location, that we were in the years between
1950 and 1970. I could tell by tendrils of my awareness that we
were still at the same "bog" location, but that structural fill
had made the ground sturdy enough to erect a "modern" building.
Jane and I queried each other about our location and we both
"knew" the above was true. Suddenly there was a woman in the
doorway holding a 2ft. x 2ft. x 2ft. metal box. We knew that it
had a dead child in it. We could feel the turmoil of somebody in
the building concerning the body in the box. Suddenly, there was a
stainless steel autopsy type table to our left with a young girl
child on it. She was supine and appeared to be a "bog mummy". As
soon as I saw her I recognized the mummy as the young girl we had
just seen gathering water.
A doctor walked in, and as soon as I saw him I knew that it was my
son, D'Artagnon. He was there to work on the mummy by giving it a
full autopsy, but for some reason, upon seeing this girl his heart
was broken......I mean, he felt mentally, emotionally, and
physically ill. He seemed confused about his reaction because he'd
worked on many mummies before and had never felt any real remorse
for his actions....but this was different.
Jane nudged me (figuratively speaking) and I suddenly knew that he
was one of the two natives that we had seen in the previous scene.
Namaste all over again. Going contrary to the type of procedure he
(the doc) was expected to do on this girl, he instead sliced a few
"thin-sections" from the front of her mummified legs. I knew in
that instant that she died from "natural" causes in the bog, not
because of some heinous murder. I knew that shortly after having
retrieved the water from the bog that she'd made a decision to
leave this life. I knew that she had realized that that life
didn't offer the type of value fulfillment she'd desired. It was
like if a different probability had been experienced, one where
the natives and the colonists were cooperative neighbors, she
would have stayed. But when that didn't pan out, she wanted out of
the experiment.
I knew that the autopsy, should it ever be performed, would reveal
some sort of paralysis that was derived from an infection starting
somewhere in the girls lower back. I knew she was a speaker in
this locale, young as she was, and she was a part of an experiment
that would be better understood by my higher self/super self.
Then I was coming home [on my way back to my body] and had another
startling jolt awake. (This was a conscious projection to a man I
used to drill with. His name is Reggie and I haven't seen him
since I was laid off. We always enjoyed our work, whether we were
on a mountain-top or in a quarry. He in his self-contained unit,
me in my carharts with about 3 additional layers beneath them. We
would literally drill in the snow for 8-10 hours a day during big
jobs.)
The thing is, is that I woke myself up, I intended to speak with
Reggie, and suddenly I saw a self-contained drill on the street. I
conjured up my feelings for Reggie and I felt my awareness travel
through an intricate network of divine messaging. When I had the
rig in view and could see Reggie's face I literally pulled him to
me because of my intentions/will.
At first he was asleep, but after I grabbed him, he jolted awake
and instantly recognized me. We very quickly went through a
synopsis of our lives since we last spoke. I told him I had to go
now. I was sorry to cut it short, but I had another lucid dream
that I had to wake up and record. Namaste.
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How Real is the Dream?
© 2003 Linda Lane Magallón
(Excerpted from "How To Fly")
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Down through history, the most common classification of dreams is
twofold. There's true dreams and false dreams, big dreams and
little dreams, profound dreams and mundane dreams, dreams from the
gate of ivory and dreams from the gate of horn. Among those on the
extraordinary side of the twosome are dreams that seem real enough
to be a world unto themselves.
Such a dream world might be a place that looks the same as
physical reality, in which the dreamer is immersed and through
which he can travel. Especially if the world looks and feels
vividly real, the dreamer might assume he does voyage in physical
reality. He usually travels embodied, but can discover that his
dream body is not visible to anyone who is awake. This type of
world-encounter can be classified as an "out-of-body" experience.
Most out-of-body experiences are assumed to occur in real time,
concurrent with the time period of sleep or altered state.
On the other hand, the world might be a place where events that
happen there are later played out in the waking state. This
characteristic also requires that world to appear like physical
reality, although, because of the time-slip, it's usually
considered to be a dream. A prophetic or precognitive dream.
Some worlds do not appear as physical reality but are assumed to
be as real as the material world. That's because they look and
feel so real. In fact, they may look and feel even *more* real
than the waking state. The scenery might glow or transmute into
abstract patterns or light. The characters can seem to be
independent entities. The intensity of sensations and emotions,
ranging from terror to bliss, increase beyond normal levels of
physical existence. Again, it's an experience usually considered
to occur in linear time, same time as slumber. This is the
spiritual journey.
Out-of-body experience, prophecies, or spiritual journey, these
are some versions of dream vivid enough to be considered real or
true. Thus they are taken literally: you exist in a physical or
spiritual reality; the people are real and who they seem to be.
And the events have real consequences, albeit you are not roaming
the physical world in your physical body when you experience them.
Then there are the dreams in which the dreamer seems not to leave
the bed at all. Because he does not relocate to another time or
space, the dreamer might not even be aware he dreams. Reality
comes to him, in the form of people alive or dead, or in non-human
forms like angels or fairy folk. This is the world of the succubus
attack and the alien abduction; sleep paralysis and the false
awakening.
Whether the dreamer is aware of being in an altered state of
consciousness or not, it's the vivid reality of these sorts of
experiences that is paramount. In terms of realness, they are
phenomena at least on a par with the waking state. Sometimes much
more so.
The Assumptions of Waking Reality
We spend a long time in the waking state, physical world,
consensus reality, and over time we've developed a bucketful of
assumptions about how "reality" is supposed to be and how it's
supposed to act. Some of these we experience first-hand; even more
we inherit from our culture. Most of the ideas are oblivious to
us, because we have nothing with which we can contrast them. Until
we go to sleep. Most folks have plenty of "little" dreams and they
know that territory very well. It's pretty easy to distinguish
between physical reality and the normative dream. When you wake
up, that is! Thus, the "real" and "unreal" labels are simple to
attach.
Up until recently, the explanations of the "big" dream category
has been the providence of people "special" enough to experience
these things several times in a lifetime. That's a much smaller
group, and as in any small group, there's a tendency towards
introversion. And especially because these dreams have often been
associated with the occult, there's a long established habit of
having to keep quiet about them. Many different local traditions
have developed as a result, but there's not been a lot of sharing
and comparing among them. Rather, such experiences and ideas have
been kept out of the popular limelight.
Then, at the beginning of the '80's, the dream field turned a
corner and a certain segment now know as the "dream community"
became much more open and tolerant. The hidden traditions had a
chance to come out of the shadows, and, indeed, they did. As a
result, there was an explosion of information, much of it
classified as "New Age," although this is a misnomer: a
traditional idea may be new to us, but it can have a very long
history. This growing conglomeration of ideas became available to
the average person. Nowadays there's an awful lot of information
out there, often contradictory. But there seem to be few ways of
knowing what's accurate or applies to you. It's a case of "let the
buyer beware."
Why should you care if dreams are real or not? Or if any
information about dreams is true? What's at stake? Well, how about
your creative abilities, your physical and psychic health, your
immortal soul or your sanity? How about your ability to live
through a night without awakening soaked in terror? Or a day
without wallowing in angst or sunk in depression? What about your
ability to coexist in a world with people of different religious
beliefs, beliefs whose genesis is a vision or dream?
Beyond The Little Mermaid
I once read an article wherein the author was matching
astrological signs with popular folk tales. By extension, those
very folk tales could be linked with astrological ages, so I paid
special attention to the water-sign of Pisces (whose age we are
leaving) and the air-sign of Aquarius (whose age we are entering).
The folk tale selected for Pisces was The Little Mermaid. It's a
story in which the little mermaid wishes she could become human,
marry her Prince Charming and live happily ever after. All her
energy is spent towards achieving this end. Now, I happen to think
the mermaid is a metaphor for the dreamer. She already *is* human;
she just forgot when she entered the sea of unconscious and had to
reclaim that awareness to live on dry land. It's like entering
into the dream state and forgetting there is another world in
which we also dwell.
In the folk tale for the Age of Aquarius, Prince Charming is all
grown up. Or so he thinks. But as Emperor he's just as oblivious
to reality, capable of being deceived. Along comes the Trickster
who takes advantage of his inability to discriminate, and weaves a
wild fantasy. And the Emperor is full of such charisma (he'd have
to be, to lure the Little Mermaid out of her seabed), that
whatever he believes, is what the populace believes. And what does
he believe? That he's wearing clothes. He believes in the covering
of reality. And he can't see beneath that layer.
For a long time we all believed in the surface of physical
reality. Then microscopes and telescopes were invented and our
communal perspective was changed forever. We discovered there was
another world beneath the surface: a world of bacteria, pollen and
ultraviolet light. It's now comparatively easy to convince the
Emperor that he contains a naked skeleton, a mass of muscles...and
a conglomeration of atomic particles.
But the world of dream lags, big time. We still going around
blithely assuming that we have 20/20 inner vision and what we
"see" in altered states is all there is to see. In fact, some
dreamwork techniques depend on it. To interpret a symbol, we must
first label it, turn it into a word. But nobody's asking: are we
perceiving clearly enough to make the correct identification? Is
it the right word to take to the dream dictionary or put through
the mill of free association? Nope, it's hey, we're in the world
of the unconscious, the real deal, and what you see is what you
get. Manipulating our surface perceptions of this world is
supposed to take us to the "depths" of ourselves.
The Emperor may be wearing new clothes, but he's clothed in the
same old assumptions. What if Freud and Jung were wrong? What if
their presumptions about dreams stop us from further exploration?
What if there's something underneath their underworld? I think
there is. But I hope you don't agree with me just because I say
so. I hope you don't agree with Freud and Jung just because they
said so. I'd rather you go skinny dipping with the Emperor
yourselves.
It may not be possible to know directly if we travel to the
seventh astral plane or the after-death state. But we can do
reality checks on experiences that *seem* to be in physical
reality and with dream characters that *seem* to be people still
alive, because we can wake and compare them with their physical
equivalents. We can also put our reporting capabilities to the
test. How accurate is our memory of detail, judgment or psychic
sensing abilities? By attempting to figure that out, we can
develop a yardstick to use on the next person who comes along with
a theory or method of dreams. Yep, reality checks. But not just on
whether we dream. Not just on whether a dream is real or not. On
whether any of the information about dreams is worth our while.
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
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Dafumu Dreaming
A View from the Bridge, June 2003
Jean Campbell
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http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/monthyupdates.htm
Dreaming of peace and the interesting projects created as dreams
come true happen daily on the Bridge. Join us. To learn more about
The World Dreams Peace Bridge, go to our web site at
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org , or join the Peace Bridge
discussion group by sending a post to worlddreams-
subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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What do the wolves sing as they race to the Reservoir?
Dafumuuuuu!
Years ago, the entity known as Seth told the members of psychic
Jane Roberts' Monday night class that, when they dreamed together,
they should dream "the city." This dream location, he told them,
would become a beacon, a dream location for dreamers in the
future.
Quiet spontaneously, the members of The World Dreams Peace Bridge
have begun to expand on this idea: first with dreams of the Bridge
itself, then with the Reservoir suggested by May as a place for
dropping in healing energy and taking some out when needed, and
finally with the "dream answer animals" that have begun to
populate our dreams.
During the month of June, there have been several DaFuMu dreamings
held, both for individuals and for Peace in the larger world.
Many people have been invited to the healing place at the
Reservoir. What is DaFuMu dreaming? In brief, the word is a
combination of Japanese and Chinese characters meaning "big dream
of good fortune." More information about DaFuMu can be found on
the World Dreams web site at
http://worlddreamspeacebridge.org/dafumu.htm
Hands Across the Jordan
The first DaFuMu dreaming this month was held for Chayim, whose
Hands Across the Jordan Project he brought to dreamers on the
Bridge last spring. Chayim introduced himself like this:
Shalom: My name is Chayim Levin. I am 50 years old, married with 3
kids. Born in Chicago. I now live in Israel. I teach and study
Torah and pray for peace in my land everyday. My friend Gary
Stubbs in California and I have this idea to build a peace bridge
over the Jordan River where people would gather to pray silently
for peace. We are in the process of organizing and asking for
letters of encouragement. If there is anything else you need to
know you can ask or wait for the movie. All the Best, Chayim.
The physical world bridge over the Jordan is scheduled to be built
on November 16, 2004. Anyone who might want to help with this
project can contact Chayim through The World Dreams Peace Bridge.
DaFuMu dreaming can be done for individuals or for groups. All of
us are in need of Peace. The second set of dreams in June was
done for Kathy's friend Di, who has run afoul of the law in
Australia and is in jail there. Many members of the Peace Bridge
have dreamed the Reservoir. One example of this is a June 12
dream from Victoria, also from Australia:
Thursday, 12 June 2003
The background music was "If We Try" by Don McLean.
I was at the reservoir, the sand was soft and the silvery water
tepid.
Beyond the boulders was grass. It was in the grass that I began
planting seeds from the charity apple trees.
The trees grew at a phenomenal rate.
Some apples were red, others green and still more were golden
ccoloured. Each branch had a single one of these colours on it,
in
multiples of 7 so that the word charity was spelled out repeatedly
I was sitting with others, who were a little sad, but
companionable
just the same.
We were thinking of ways to work with the word Charity.
Come
Here
And
Reach
Into
The
Yonder
Members of the Bridge speculated what the guards at the jail might
think when, as they have to do, they read Di's mail. The
following is part of a dream that Valley sent.
I am told by the council of elders that this person is a part of
the community and tribe, and as such he will be dealt with
according to sacred law, and not the laws of man. Within sacred
law, he will be dealt with in the circle, and taught about himself
through the choices he has made. He will receive spiritual
teachings and be forced to look at himself within, and not be
isolated from the tribe. The tribe must take responsibility for
teaching him these things, and not just lock him away and not deal
with him. Sacred law works for the good of the whole, and no one
is left behind.
A third DaFuMu dreaming in June was held for a young boy in Turkey
who has been diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma. As he is
undergoing chemotherapy, the group will continue to dream for him.
Peace in the Middle East
And finally, during the weekend of the Spring Solstice, after some
amount of discussion, members of the Peace Bridge invited others
to join them in a DaFuMu Dreaming for Peace in the Middle East.
Prior to the invitations being sent out for this dream event,
Juhani suggested that we look for a "Dream Answer Animal". Here
is the invitation that resulted. (As this issue of Electric
Dreams is being sent out during the DaFuMu dreaming, please feel
free to join us.)
From The World Dreams Peace Bridge
A Call for a DaFuMu for the Middle East
Can you dream up peace for the people of Palestine and Israel?
The violence in the Middle East continues and escalates. It is
not safe for women, children and men in many areas of Palestine
and Israel. People cannot feel safe catching a bus, or walking
in the street or even sitting in their own homes. They are
denied the blissful peace that we all take for granted. So
please, over this coming weekend (June 21/22) dedicate your dreams
to peace in Israel, Palestine, and all the Middle East. Why not
take the ideas of Juhani and Ralf below and make this DaFuMu (a
dream of much good will) a special one indeed?
Juhani's DAA search:
The conflict is growing to be a hormone-based scream-show. I'll
try to dream a Dream Answer Animal (DAA), a SYMBOL. An animal
lives here and now. If there is a free path to a better life: It
surely will take it without saying... but... yes but... first...
then... after... maybe if...
Wishing that a Dream Answer Animal pops up near a path, road or
bridge. Then I'll ask you what it could symbolize. DAA's specialty
to manage life situations could boost road map. By the way: I love
that word "road map" -pragmatic Juhani
Does anyone know who invented it? Literally?
Next step could be a Reservoir meeting - to get the DAA there...
somehow. The rest will be history. Ahaa...one spontaneous peace
roamer made it. Next can follow the path... Just an idea. I'll try
it. Anyone dreams an animal... just let me (us) know.
Peace,
Juhani
Ralf's Lucid map
I will remember to meet the WISE dream answer animal.
I will remember to follow its path.
I will remember to get lucid and ask for the meaning of that path
I will invite that DAA to WDPB
I will remember to enjoy the ecstatic awareness of being in a
dream.
Road map ...
The map isn't the territory.
Sometimes members of The World Dreams Peace Bridge dream in
advance of the event. This is what happened for Joy, who sent the
following email before the invitation went out:
I thought last night that (rather than just lament my lack of
time) I should dream a peace dream for this group. I woke up in
the middle of the night after dreams of conflict, remembered,
went back to sleep and woke happy in the morning from peaceful
dreams with themes of cooperation. Then for a moment I drifted
back into sleep as a dream-narrator voice asked, "But what about
peace in the Middle East?"
In the same moment I experienced a brief, vivid dream in which I
was in my vegetable garden, finding in the soil an oblong, fist-
sized rock which I tossed over the fence and out into the desert
where it would be out of the way of the growing plants. I asked,
"Is this for the Worlddreams group?" and in answer the same
dreamlet repeated twice more, complete with a twitching of my
physical arm as I flung the rock. So there you have it, I don't
know why: Throwing a rock out of the garden.
The first explanation that occurs to me is that this is a
peaceable and helpful rock-throwing, as compared to lobbing them
at one another.
Joy
Peace Train Workshop at Berkeley
And finally, if you are attending the Association for the Study of
Dreams conference next week, you will want to attend the Peace
Trains and Dreams workshop scheduled for Monday at 7:30 p.m. with
World Dreams members Jeremy Seligson, May Tung and Jean Campbell.
Recently, when the question was asked, "What is a Peace Train?",
Jeremy, who was the original dreamer of the Peace Train, responded
with this statement:
The train travels at whatever speed suits those it is visiting. It
is fueled by imagination and good will. But more than anything
else, it is fueled by love. Love for oneself and love for the
other, importantly for those who are of a different culture than
one's own, and especially for the children who will inherit our
Earth. The fact that it is at all is more important than where it
will end up. But its tracks lead all over the globe and perhaps
one day all over the cosmos. It is adaptable. It will survive. It
is your train, too, and you can get on it at anytime. Your friends
and family are welcome, as well. Even your pets and plants are
invited to get on - the mountains and the seas, even the stars.
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The World Dreams Peace Bridge is a group that uses personal dreams
for public world peace. You can find out more about the WDPB at
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/
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The Waves: 03. Star Trek to Sirius
Spectral Moon (May 02 to May 29, 2003)
© 2003 Nick Cumbo
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The Waves is a newsletter reporting on the explorations of the Sea
Life community. Sea Life, the main web forum at Dreampeace, aims
to bring together a circle of dreamers from around the globe,
collaborating in dreaming adventures, and 'dreaming with and for
the earth itself'
Link: http://www.dreamofpeace.net/
This moon, we'll be looking at our dreams of Sirius, and the
system's relevance to life on Earth; From ancient knowledge of the
system to key themes that arose in our adventures. Furthermore,
we'll be reporting on our dreams as a way of a communicating on a
galactic or transdimensional level.
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Sirius is over 20 times brighter than our Sun, and over ten times
larger. In fact, it's the brightest star in our sky. It's probably
drawn your attention many a time. First find the constellation
Orion, and locate the three bright stars in a row which form
Orion's Belt. Then follow an imaginary line through these stars to
Sirius. It is situated in the jaws of the great dog, Canis major
constellation - and is thus known as the Dog Star. Sirius A:
Sothis is also known as the blue-white star.
This moon at Sea Life, we opened a new section of the forum
'Dreamspell', for discussion and dreams relating to the 13 Moon
Calendar. In the first issue of The Waves, 'Dreaming Our Way to
2012', we touched very briefly on this topic, but failed to go
into any significant level of detail. I was reminded of the
important relationship the 13 Moon Calendar has to Sirius, in a
recent dream, asking for guidance as to what to write in this
issue.
Did you know that the moon circles the Earth 13 times in one year?
Strangely, enough our global standard calendar doesn't correspond
to one natural cycle. Instead, we have a 12 month calendar, made
of months of unequal measure. Confusing, isn't it?
If you were to build a house, wouldn't you use a ruler of equal
measure? Science, aims to model the world as best it can, yet we
seem to have forgotten the science of time. Time, the atmosphere
of the mind, a mentally perceived phenomenon, surely has a great
impact on our day-to-day lives.
What if, we were to replace this irregular system, with one that
was found to be inherent within nature itself. The 13 Moon
Calendar is based around a simple system of 13 moons of 28 days
each, followed by a 'Day Out of Time', for global celebration,
universal forgiveness, and artistic expression.
It may sound radical but, in fact, such a reform was proposed by
the League of Nations (forerunner of the United Nations) early in
the 21st century, which considered three of 500 suggested entries.
The 13 Moon, 28 Day calendar was by far the most popular - 98% of
1,300 businesses polled supported it. Unfortunately, the movement
was met with strong resistance by the Vatican Church, and the
project later distracted entirely by the outbreak of World War II.
"This is not the first time people have used the 13 Moon Calendar.
The Druids, The Incan's, Ancient Egyptians, Mayans, and
Polynesians all kept a 13 moon, 28 day count. The Lakota Indians
based theirs on the keya, or turtle since the turtle has 13 scales
on it's back. Modern science has even discovered that dolphins
keep time with 13 sets of 28 grooves along their teeth."
(tortuga.com)
One night, I decided to do a little dream incubation exercise,
through visualisation of a magazine called "Shaman's Drum". The
resulting dream gave me unexpected first hand experience of the
phenomenon.
"I'm on a road, which leads up a hill to my home. At some point my
perspective changes. I am able to experience perception, as though
I am the Earth itself. I see a 3-dimensional vector, running up
across the contours of the hill. I immediately become aware that
the land itself is understood to be an illusion by the earth, but
is also a kind of focusing device. I become aware that 13 senses
or dimensions are accessible at any point along the vector.
It seems one is already selected. I see an image of a series of 13
tabs, and the name of the choice that is selected. Each of these
has a unique energy attached to it, and I get to experience one
selection for myself, within the dream. Afterwards, I am walking
up the hill, and I get the feeling people are wondering how I
could possibly hope to succeed in changing the calendar system."
Obviously, at this point I still felt a little uncomfortable with
how people might react to my efforts to enhance people's awareness
of the significance of the calendar system we use. However, I also
felt a genuine belief in the importance of moving to this new
system. I couldn't deny the wise words of Mahatma Gandhi, "one
must be the change we wish to see in this world".
To literally resonate according to a standard of harmony,
synchronized with the Moon, the Earth, the Sun, the Galaxy, is
taking a conscious evolutionary step into what is called "galactic
culture". This is where Sirius comes into the calendar. On July
26th of every year there is a heliacal rising of the star, Sirius
(meaning it rises with the sun in the morning). The 13 Moon
Calendar begins on this day, so it synchronizes with a galactic
event that actually happens every solar year.
Reading through the messages from the World Dreams Peace Bridge,
I was surprised to find that the dream of Jeremy's that gave birth
to the magnificent Peace Train project, which now travels the
world, occurred on July 26th 2002 (the new year). Using the
Harmonic Module, a key component of the calendar, we can discover
the unique energies attributed to this date: "Galactic Tone: 10.
Planetary: Perfect, Produce, Manifestation", "Solar Seal: 09. Red
Moon: Purifies Universal Water." Fitting, aren't they? Once you
began writing down the events and feelings of each day, the
energies at work pretty quickly make themselves evident.
Dallas had come about the Sea Life forum through the Planetary Art
Network; a forum all about the 13 Moon Calendar. He could barely
wait to dream about shooting himself out to Sirius:
"I had a dream that I was walking through what seemed to be a
community center and it was crowded. There were people standing
around talking and some laying on the floor napping. I was handing
out 13 Moon Calendars with purple covers. I remember having the
feeling that I wasn't going to be able to get many people to take
these calendars and before long people started accepting them with
no problem and in fact coming to me and asking for them."
Obviously, this wasn't just an ordinary community center Dallas
had entered. It was a community of dreamers! His dream seemed to
suggest, that despite all his initial concerns, it wouldn't be
long before people would begin to recognise the value of the
calendar system, and in fact begin to seek out knowledge about it.
We need to remember that "Time is the universal factor of
synchronisation." In the words of Jacob, who's been working with
the 13 Moon calendar movement, "To synchronise is to be within
one's Time, like being on your game, feeling good, going with the
flow." For some of you, the following information has been
synchronised to reach you now:
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THE DOGON TRIBES
The Dogon Tribes of Northern Africa, have maintained a system of
knowledge about the Sirius Star System for over 5000 years.
Without the aid of any advanced instruments, the Dogon have known
that Sirius A: Sothis has an invisible companion. Their name for
Sirius B, consists of the word for star, tolo, and po, the name of
the smallest seed known to them.
"The Dogon claim it to be the smallest thing there is, yet also so
heavy 'that all earthly beings cannot lift it'. The Dogon, thus
attribute to the star it's three principal qualities as a white
dwarf, it's smallness, heaviness, and whiteness. They go on to say
that the star's orbit is elliptical, with Sirius A at one internal
linkfocus of the ellipse, that the orbital period is 50 years (the
actual figure is 50.04 plus or minus .09 years), and that the star
rotates on its own axis. (Robert Temple - The Sirius Mystery)
What makes this story all the more fascinating is that Sirius B
was only discovered by the scientific community a mere 50 years
ago! How did they do it? The Dogon say that their astronomical
knowledge was given to them by the Nommos, amphibious beings sent
to earth from the Sirius star system for the benefit of humankind.
The name comes from a Dogon word meaning 'to make one drink'. This
is part of their oral tradition, and they have even made paintings
showing Sirius as a double star. Simply put, the Dogon have long
made a practice of worshipping Sirius.
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DREAMING LIKE AN EGYPTIAN
The Dogon claim that they learned of these things when they
resided in the land of ancient Egypt, roughly 5000 years ago.
Interestingly, the Ancient Egyptians also held Sirius to be of
especially sacred significance.
Initially, I knew very little about this connection. It wasn't
until information that I received, upon waking from an incubated
dream, that I was stunned into researching it further. In my
dream, I had been introduced to someone with a very unique name.
Upon waking, my mind came together for a moment with what
appeared to be a higher being. I could feel the presence of these
thoughts, as though a page in a book.
Beginning with the words "Grandfather" and "Isis", it read like an
invitation, "As you exist on the sixth level, you can certainly do
more there than anywhere else". Though the page continued, I chose
to wake, since I wanted to retain what little I had been told.
Bewildered, I resumed my sleep.
The next dream seemed to make the meaning of the sixth level quite
clear. I found myself walking up my driveway. Arranged along the
driveway were a series of books, with titles like 'fourth level',
'fifth level', ascending until I reached the top. There was a
certain feeling attached to noticing them there at my feet; a
recognition that these 'levels' were states of mind which one
could not simply understand by reading a book. In fact, the
recognition came through with such clarity, that I was shocked
into lucidity.
The next morning, I found to my amazement that to the Ancient
Egyptians, Sirius was astronomically the foundation of their
entire religious system. It was the star of Isis, sister and
consort of the god Osiris, who appeared in the sky as Orion.
Further, I discovered that their Grandfather went by the name of
Ra (the sun god)
Though, I don't believe I managed to reach the 'sixth level', this
short experience opened me to a much wider source of information
about the system. In his wonderful article 'Dreaming Like An
Egyptian', Robert Moss details the relationship between both the
Egyptian's worship of Sirius, and their advanced conscious
dreaming practises:
"The dream guides of ancient Egypt knew that the dream journey may
take the traveler to the stars specifically to Sothis or Sirius,
the "moist land" believed by Egyptian initiates to be the source
of higher consciousness, the destination of advanced souls after
death, and the home of higher beings who take a close interest in
Earth matters"
Another thing I'd noticed in my early attempts to visit Sirius in
dreams, was the presence of a black dog. This of course seemed
important, given the connection between Sirius' name as the 'Dog
Star'. As it turned out, Anubis, most often portrayed by the
Egyptians as a human figure with the head of a jackal or black
dog, is in fact the watchdog of Sirius.
During the project, I began to use the image of 'Anubis' as a
visual gateway for my own journeys to Sirius. In one experience, I
was awoken by the middle of the night by vibrations which began at
the top of my head. This was then followed by an announcement from
above, by a female narrator, who advised me to 'Visualise a red
and orange car". I was assured that using this technique, I'd have
no need to worry about shady or creepy entities guarding the
paths. It felt as though a special gateway to the star system had
been set up. Unfortunately, once again, I was unsuccessful in my
attempt to enter it.
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BLUE STAR KACHINA
Another theme that quickly became apparent in our adventures to
Sirius, was the significance of a vibrant blue energy. From
glowing blue clouds to Albert's dream of flying an X32 (a
prototype spacecraft) with a blue belly and white top, the blue
energy certainly seemed to make it's importance felt. It began
with Kate's dream, in which she decided to visualise the words
Sirius Star System on a piece of paper.
"First I dreamed about an object that had figured in my mundane
life today; a blue propane cylinder with a gas cooking ring
attached to the top. In the dream someone is showing me one of
these, it turns out there were 2 when I thought there was only
one. The one I am shown appears very sharply defined and is a very
vivid blue. I comment to the person that it is a much improved
model to the one I have in mundane life. Next I am walking up a
hill, following 3 people from my ordinary peace group".
I was instantly reminded of an especially powerful dream from
roughly a year ago, in which I'd received what I felt to be a very
special transmission from the stars. Walking along a path, in the
night sky, my attention had been suddenly drawn high up in the
sky. There I saw a huge blue and white 'spaceship', which gave off
a powerful ray of blue energy. The energy itself was so rich, that
I had immediately been awoken into lucidity. Attached to the back
of the spaceship, were the words '2012 it is their last
superstar'. Upon focusing on this, I witnessed the message change
to '2012 it is their next superstar'. The message seemed to be
directed at all the people of Earth. The ship disappeared onto the
horizon, and I was left with an incredibly overwhelming sense of
hope.
With regards to the blue gas cooker, Kate added, "I thought if it
was on and you turned it sideways it could symbolise a spaceship."
This type of contact is perhaps best expressed by the words of
Jimmy, a shaman whom I know online:
"Suppose, that communication on a galactic or transdimensional
level was not physical and not based on radio or TV transmission,
but was instead a mental or astral experience. To those of us who
have the experience, this makes sense; but to researchers who do
not, it's total BS. I do believe that galactic contact is of this
type, and that shamans are traditionally the people chosen to
communicate beyond this world, with real beings in other worlds
and times, in the shamanic ways.
Suppose then, that instead of creating cover memories we are
instead using natural human methods to try to confront and
understand a strange experience of contact. This contact is with
energy, in astral terms or even in other terms, and because of the
way our minds work we tend to interpret this energy visually. We
see strange things and we know they are not precisely accurate,
but behind those visualizations is only something strange and new,
and not something terrible. We simply haven't seen it before so we
give it shape that is new and different."
In a later dream, I was shown a picture, with a large black
background, that I assumed to represent outer space. "There is a
whole area with these colourful orange bead like shapes which
seem to represent other stars. On the right I am directed to
another area. I am told this is what lies "beyond the known
universe". The shapes I see on this part of the page were of a
vibrant blue colour." I felt that by the 'known universe', my
helper was referring to our physical reality. It seemed to suggest
that our experiences, related to an intelligence present in a
deeper reality.
As those interested in the Mayan calendar might know, the years
surrounding 2012 were believed to be a time of global change.
2012, the end of a 5125-year cycle of time, signified to the Maya,
the birth of a new world. However, it wasn't until very recently
that the meaning to my dream could be further decoded. By chance,
I'd ventured into a trash and treasure shop in a small town, while
on holiday. Noticing a friend rifling through the record
collection, I decided to have a look myself. And there was the
connection, a record labelled "Jesus Christ: Superstar". I've
never followed any specific religion, but I couldn't help feeling
that therein lay the hidden meaning to my dream of 2012.
Interestingly, the star itself is well known for it's blue-white
appearance. Furthermore, the Hopi name for Sirius is 'Blue Star
Kachina'. An ancient Hopi Indian prophecy states, "When the Blue
Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World
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A TRIANGULAR GATEWAY
Blue energy wasn't the only important them to arise from our
adventures to Sirius. The first sign came with a conscious dream
from Mekenzie.
"I look up at the sky. It's night-time and the sky shows a lot of
galaxies and planets. It looks so cool. Also there are strange
glowing blue clouds with only one opening
a triangle-shaped
opening. "Guides, I ask you to allow me to do the project," I ask
mentally. Suddenly the triangle-shaped opening moves toward me,
opening a warp-like tunnel toward me so I start to fly. All of a
sudden, WHOOSH! I'm moving at an extreme speed. "WHOOOOOOAAA!" I
think as I let the warp-like tunnel to guide me. I feel the winds
against me and I become a light traveling faster than light. My
vision, unfortunately, starts to fade into hypnogogic-like
imagery, but I still can feel everything vividly. I feel myself
hitting the black hole
the end of the warp tunnel. I sense that
I'm there in the "dog" system."
Unfortunately, Mekenzie's dream didn't remain stable, and
eventually she ended up waking. What makes this interesting
however, is that the Dogon believed the Nommos (the intelligent
beings who provided them with information on Sirius) to have
arrived in a ship with three legs. In combination with Mekenzies
description of triangular-shaped opening, it seems to reference
the number three.
The next night, I went to sleep thinking about this connection. In
a light meditative state, I began to visualise the 'triangular
gateway' to assist in my dream incubation. Slipping into a light
trance, I suddenly received the impression that the triangular
gateway and the design of the pyramids were in fact connected.
This was made obvious by the instantaneous emerge of a cross-
sectional view of the pyramids. The next morning, I woke up, and
began chatting about this event to Mekenzie. She seemed very
surprised. Though, we're on different sides of the earth, she had
witnessed exactly the same thing, as she lay awake about 12 hours
earlier. Eager to discover more about this phenomenom, I was
happily surprised to find an internet resource with information
about the Winter Triangle:
"Sirius is also connected to two other stars, Procyon, in Canis
Minor and Betelguese, in Orion. These stars represent a triangular
gateway, the ancients referred to as Heaven's Gate (not the cult,
and was thought to be the place where souls enter this dimensional
reality). According to The Pleiadian Agenda, by Barbara Hand Clow,
"Sirius holds the 6th Dimensional geometrical light body of Earth
in form." The book further indicates that the ancient Egyptians
came from Sirius teaching temple technology to earthlings for the
express purpose of also teaching us about sacred geometry. She
goes onto describe the Sirians as "magnificent feline gods"
responsible for building the Great Pyramid and Sphinx as geometric
portals to the stars. These portals have been primarily dormant
for a long time. However, several major Celestial events over the
past several years alert us to the reactivation of these portals."
(Shamanic Astrology)
Meanwhile, Mekenzie had another conscious dream to report:
"I see a strangely glowing dark-blue landscape so I glide down and
land. I look around, seeing how humanoids (they looks exactly like
humans, but their aura and everything is different somehow) are
working together to make an obstacle for someone. Perhaps a game?
I walk around, noticing that they're staring at me. I try to
pretend not to notice. All of a sudden, I get a vivid painful
burning sensation on my right palm. I scream in pain while I look
at my palm and there is a new scar shaped like a triangle. When
the burning sensation fades out, it is very sensitive to touch. I
realize that I'm supposed to do the Sirius project, but I get a
bit annoyed by this scar so I try to heal it by focusing my green
energy toward it. All I can do is making a green lightening coming
out from my left hand. No matter how hard I try, I can't seem to
make my scar disappear. Suddenly, I thought, "Maybe there is a
higher being trying to tell me something?"
Awaking from a series of dreams after these earlier events, I
found imprinted into my mind the knowledge of a similar triangle
to be found here on Earth. I immediately understood one of these
points to be a mountain. It also appeared that these three points
were to be found in North America, and in some way correlated to
the individual stars of the Winter Triangle. Hopefully we can
discover more about this 'triangle' as time passes.
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INTELLIGENT LIFE
In many of my journeys, I was very interested to explore knowledge
of intelligent life connected with Sirius. Though I understand
that it tends to discredit those who mention such experiences, I
thought I would go on and do it anyway, in the hope that is of
value to somebody out there.
I'll begin with a dream in which I found myself on a train, which
followed the path of a river:
"I'm looking out through the window, and see two Aboriginal boys
walking along the riverbank. They seem to be going off to school.
I see the older brother, perhaps of 7-8 years old, helping his
younger brother along. They look really cute together. I see them
climbing up a wall, and just as they are about to edge over it, I
seem to continue their ascent. I feel vibrations echoicing through
my head, reminding me of my physical body, but I'm now lucid.
I climb higher into the sky, moving with the vibrations, I
announce my intent, saying something like "I wanna meet Sirian
intelligences" - hoping to meet beings from another star system. I
feel myself emerging from blackness into a new scene, where I find
myself atop a computer desk-chair, bobbing in the water. I'm in a
kind of rectangular tank. Everything's still a bit blurry, and I'm
trying to find someone to speak to. I see letters roll out through
the darkness, one by one, reading 'Dictionary'.
I initially assume this to mean that what I'm saying is not being
understood, by anyone around me. I decide to venture out through
the murky waters, noticing other computer chairs in the water too.
I'm even a little scared, since I'm concerned that some creature
could leap out from below. It's a bit eery. Then the dream starts
fading."
Upon waking from the dream, I was left with an impression that the
tank itself was very similar to my initial dream of the 'Sea Life'
forum, in which I'd seen sea life mutating and evolving in a tank.
It occurred to me that perhaps the word 'dictionary' was an
indication, that the scene was quite symbolic in it's appearance.
Was this dream suggesting that 'Sirian Intelligence' is already
present at the Sea Life forum? It seemed so. After all, our
members probably would spend a significant amount of their time on
computer chairs communicating online.
I wasn't only the one who started dreaming of similar themes.
Albert, a member of my personal dream team, reported on his own
experience:
"There is this book in my hands, and I turn the pages. I know it
is about aliens and I don't want to look through it. I see a
diagram of a person and an alien superimposed, but it's a simple
stroke of a paintbrush representing a person's back and arm
extended, while the aliens' is a limb extending from below in
another color. I get the information that our (genetic?) makeup
can be found in some distant star system. It then explains how
aliens originally came down, and I see a picture of some small
spaceship landing out near a forest, but one of 'our antennas'
changed frequency and 'immobilized' the ship on earth (causing the
aliens to retreat I think). The change of frequency was just a
person standing out near a field."
Finally we had Mekenzie's experience, which read alot like an
amazing sci-fi story. Finding herself on a snow mountain, Mekenzie
was soon reminded of her goal:
""Will you, my guide
or whoever, draw the triangle for me so I
can stand on it in order to be transported to Sirius or Sirius-
related places?" To my surprise, a young girl walks over and then
draws the triangle in the snow. "I could have done that myself if
I had thought of that." I think while I watch her walking away as
if nothing has happened. "Umm
" I think, just shoving it off and
walking into the drawn triangle. I look up into the sky and
announce, "May the triangle take me to where it wants me to be!"
Nothing happens. I look around patiently, having a lot of faith in
the drawn triangle that I'm standing on.
Suddenly, I pass out, finding myself in the spacecraft. I'm the
driver. I inspect what I feel is the earth
way before we, humans,
were born. I see a lot of high-technology buildings being
destroyed because there is a HUGE war going on between the
'aliens' and the first generation humans (super humans). I
continue to steer, trying to find out more about it because it's
really unexpected.
I arrive at the huge camping ground that is the aliens' side. I
enter, noticing that there are many guards there so I tell them,
"I come in peace." To my surprise, they trust me. I meet the
Queen. Their faces are painted in green and purple colors. They
appear like humans, but I have a feeling that they're doing that
to confuse the super humans because they don't know that the
'aliens' are actually aliens who are trying to help them. Anyway,
the Queen asks me about my intention and why I am here. I tell her
that I am attempting to learn more about Sirius and that I ended
up being here. I promise her that I come in peace. In fact, I
offer to do the swearing ritual (I don't know how I already knew
about it) so they'll be assured that I come in peace.
The Queen agrees and a guard handles me the sword. I have to do
the sword in the order of left, middle, and then right while I
state, "I come in peace, I swear." After I do that part, I am to
walk on the broken gems (you can compare it to glass) and coals
except that they're not like coals that we have now. I walk and
then I approach the hive with angry bees, yet they don't bite me.
I finish my ritual and it appears that the Queen has already been
killed by one of the super humans. The guards are looking at me in
a weird way like they're trying to decide if I should be a leader.
I'm like, "No, don't look at ME!" The dream eventually blurs into
nothing.
Well it's nice to know that the 'aliens' insisted on peace in any
case. While I certainly can't confirm any of the details offered
by any of our dreams, I find it very interesting that all three
seemed to relate that humans did in fact have a connection to
Sirian intelligence.
However, our experiences appear to have raised more questions,
than they answered. My hope is merely that they can act as a small
piece of the puzzle, for those interested in exploring the Sirius
mystery further. Rather than assuming that 'alien' cultures will
only communicate to us through our known physical methods, let us
consider for a moment, that they may use a means not as well
recognised, yet equally accessible; our very own minds.
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Stay tuned next moon for the results of our research from our
'Journey to Mt Shasta'. In the meantime dreamers are invited to
contact Nick (Explora), with their dream experiences of any of the
themes mentioned in this piece. We're always looking for new
people to join us in our adventures, so if it sounds like fun,
please consider the offer.
Email: explora@dreamofpeace.net
Forum: http://www.dreamofpeace.net/sealife
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RESOURCES
13 Moon Calendar Change Peace Movement
Link: http://www.tortuga.com/
13 Moon Natural Time Calendar
Link: http://www.13moon.com
Sirian Messenger:
Link: http://www.sirianmessenger.com/
Dreaming Like an Eygptian
Link: http://wwww.mossdreams.com/egyptian.htm
Great Dreams: The Dog Star
Link: http://www.greatdreams.com/dogstar.htm
Shamanic Astrology
Link: http://www.shamanicastrology.com/
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DreamWork for Everyday Life
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I have been an active dreamer for many years and am currently
involved in several online dream groups. It seems to me that the
kind of community that is beginning to occur in dream groups is
the kind of community I would like to have in my every day life. I
began to ask myself questions about how to convert my ideas about
dream communities into ideas for creating everyday community.
Here are some of the questions I asked myself: What are the
main ingredients of a dreaming community and what value do they
have? How can we use this to create a healthy and thriving sense
of community in our daily lives? How does this translate into the
community of everyday life?
I used the guidelines from my current dream groups which are
based on ideas from a number of sources including guidelines from
Jeremy Taylor on dreams as well as the ethics statement of the
ASD. Then I took the results I had written out and replaced the
word dreamer with individual and the word dream/s with the words
experience or community.
Guidelines for Sharing Experience:
Someone tells of an experience that has significance to them.
Members of the group ask questions to be certain they have as
clear of an image of the experience as possible.
Each person in the group takes the experience as if it were their
own and is happening to them in the present. (close up 1st person
point of view - present experience)
Each person examines the symbols within the experience for
personal meaning and writes them out. (gets some distance,
examination of meaning)
Each person shares their own experience and meaning with group.
Individual can (but doesn't have to) share significance and impact
of shared information.
Guidelines for Creating Meaningful Community (creative use of
Jeremy Taylor's dream guidelines):
One
All experiences speak a universal language and come in the service
of health and wholeness. There is no such thing as a "bad
experience" -- only experiences that sometimes take a dramatically
negative form in order to grab our attention.
Two
Only the individual can say with any certainty what meanings his
or her experience may have. This certainty usually comes in the
form of a wordless "aha!" of recognition. This "aha" is a function
of memory/instinct, and is the only reliable touchstone of
individual work.
Three
There is no such thing as an experience with only one meaning. All
experiences are "overdetermined," and have multiple meanings and
layers of significance.
Four
No experience comes just to tell you what you already know. All
experiences break new ground and invite you to new understandings
and insights.
Five
When talking to others about their experiences, it is both wise
and polite to preface your remarks with words to the effect of "if
it were my experience...," and to keep this commentary in the
first person as much as possible. This means that even relatively
challenging comments can be made in such a way that the individual
may actually be able to hear and internalize them. It also can
become a profound psycho-spiritual discipline -- "walking a mile
in your neighbor's moccasins."
Six
All group participants should agree at the outset to maintain
anonymity in all discussions of community work. In the absence of
any specific request for confidentiality, group members should be
free to discuss their experiences openly outside the group,
provided no other individual is identifiable in their stories.
However, whenever any group member requests confidentiality, all
members should agree to be bound automatically by such a request.
Community Ethics Statement (creative use of the ASD ethics)
We support an approach to community that promotes meaningful
sharing and respects the individuals dignity and integrity, and
which recognizes the individual as the decision-maker regarding
the significance of what is being shared within the community.
Systems of community that assign authority or knowledge of
significant meanings to someone other than the individual can be
misleading, incorrect, and harmful. Ethical community
relationships helps the individual work with his/her own vision,
feelings, and associations, and guides the individual to more
fully experience, appreciate, and understand themselves as well as
the community and the relationships of each to the other.
Every community may have multiple meanings, and different
techniques may be reasonably employed to touch these multiple
layers of significance. An individual's decision to share or
discontinue sharing significant meaning should always be respected
and honored. The individual should be forewarned that unexpected
issues or emotions may arise in the course of meaningful sharing.
Information and mutual agreement about the degree of privacy and
confidentiality are essential ingredients in creating a safe
atmosphere for meaningful community.
We recognize and respect that there are many valid and time-
honored community traditions. We invite and welcome the
participation of individuals from all cultures. There are social,
cultural, and transpersonal aspects to a community of meaningful
experience. In this statement we do not mean to imply that the
only valid approach to community focuses on the individuals
personal life. Our purpose is to honor and respect the individual
as well as the community itself, regardless of how the
relationship between the two may be understood.
Values I Have Found:
--Promotes effective listening skills.
--Promotes effective imaging skills.
--Promotes effective communication skills.
--Turns life back into both a personal and a shared experience of
significant meanings rather than an impersonal mechanical function
of survival of the fittest.
--Honors and respects both the individual and the group
(regardless of age, sex, race, religion, etc.).
--Creates dynamic, interactive process
--Promotes health and well being
--Promotes organic growth for both the individual and the
community (interactive creativity).
--Promotes ability to live life in the present while honoring the
past and creating a future.
How would this translate into our daily lives?
Have regularly scheduled meetings within family, community,
and business for the purpose of sharing our experiences and
meanings following these guidelines.
Example of how it works from a discussion in my Bohm Dialogue web
group that revolved around ideas of coherence/congruence (or lack
of) in thought and the role time plays in this:
D writes:
"....... Tech could refer to those relationships that do not
create
incoherence/incongruence......"
P writes:
Can you please give us an example of any tech that does not
create
incoherence/incongruence?
D writes:
Perhaps it is not possible to name a tech that does not
create incoherence/incongruence. Perhaps using the word tech
itself is inappropriate. Could we say that there are some
experiences of time that do not need to be incoherent. Boiling
water for tea doesn't need to be incoherent but it could be. I
mean, the reason why I am boiling water may be incoherent. Thought
has the capacity to generate incoherence/incongruence even with
relationships that need not necessarily be so. So my sense would
be that the answer to your question is that it is
incoherent/incongruent to divide things this way into tech and
psyche since I wonder if it is possible to draw a line between
them?
Susan writes:
I have been thinking about your story of boiling water and
making tea and how that relates to our experience of time. Also,
about the idea of whether or not it is incoherent/incongruent. I
found myself examining your story in the way I would examine a
dream and came up with several thoughts about it. If this were a
dream, here is how I would examine it: First I would imagine that
it is an actual experience I am having and that it is happening
right now. Then I would become the observer to see what
understanding I have of the experience in terms of the symbols.
So, here's what happened when I lived the experience of boiling
water and making tea and then observed myself doing this.
I am in an area for receiving nutrients and nurturing. I
notice a feeling in my body of emptiness that tells me I have a
desire/need for performing the ritual of tea making to change that
feeling from one of emptiness to fulfillment and satisfaction
(being filled full of nutrients/nurturing). I have stories in my
mind of having performed this ritual in the past that guides me in
performing the ritual now. What ever story I bring to mind of what
occurred when I performed this ritual in the past determines my
inner experience of performing this ritual now.
One of those stories is of being an adult who is simply
taking out a container which I fill full of water and place on a
fire until the water comes to a boil. Another one of the stories
is of being a child having my mother teach me the ritual. In this
story my mother first complains in a stern voice that I have taken
out the wrong container for the water and her expression says she
is angry with me for this. I notice my body begins to stiffen up
and my movements become slow and clumsy as I become aware of her
expression. When I begin to fill the container with water I hear
my mother tell me in that stern voice that I am putting too much
water in the container and I am being much too slow and clumsy.
She comes over and jerks the container out of my hand. I am
surprised by this and don't let go of the container immediately so
there is a struggle with the container and water gets spilled on
the floor. My mother shouts at me in an angry voice that I am
stupid and she continues to finish the ritual of making tea on her
own. I cower in the corner hoping I will never be asked to make
tea again.
By the time I finish telling myself the stories the tea is
made.
Here's what the observer part of myself noticed: I learned to
associate nurturing with abuse and so continue to abuse myself in
nurturing situations by continuing to tell myself the stories.
This is where the incongruence/incoherence comes in. Abuse is not
congruent with nurturing. In this instance drinking the tea will
satisfy my body's desire for nutrients but will not satisfy my
more instinctive desire for nurturing.
Then I thought about the tech part. It seems to me that the
first story of the adult simply paying attention to the mechanical
operation of making tea is what you are referring to as the tech
part. The mechanical act of the adult did not satisfy my
instinctive desire for nurturing any more than the second story.
Satisfying the desire for nurturing requires having a
coherent/congruent story of nurturing. This may have been what
brought up the second story (an association of mothers with
nurturing).
And then I thought about the time factor. Even with the tech
version there must be a story (past experience) to tell me how to
make tea. So it would seem to me that the trick in being
coherent/congruent is in learning how to create a
coherent/congruent story of how to do something and then creating
an association to bring up that story when you need it. And the
trick with time is to understand that it is a story (something
outside of a constricted time period) that we are telling
ourselves.
I think this is one of the most valuable things I have
learned from doing dream work, the value of myth and story and
what they really are. I have noticed that in doing dream work we
are sharing our experience of myth and story as well as learning
how to create more effective myths and stories together. Perhaps
this is the true meaning of communion/community.
Stories are the secret reservoir of values: Change the stories
individuals or nations live by and tell themselves, and you change
the individuals and nations.
Ben Okri, Nobel Prize for Literature
Susan Clemons
Susan.Joy@worldnet.att.net
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How Will Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
A conversation about androids and dreaming
Richard Wilkerson
and the ASD Online Community
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How will machines dream?
In the January 97 issue of 21-C: Scanning the Future, Darren Tofts
asks a variety of people if androids will dream. Tofts writes,
"Trapped within the enigma of Philip K. Dick's query [Do Androids
Dream of Electric Sheep?] is the conundrum of being. For within
his machine's struggle for humanity is our own philosophical quest
for the nature of existence and the acknowledgement of the self."
However, the answers received from the digiteratti were banal and
dull, hopelessly stuck on the question of whether or not machines
can be conscious or not. Clearly the respondents knew very little
about dreaming as a process, subjectively or objectively, and
cared even less.
So, let's fast forward through this question and just assume the
positive, that some machines in the future will be dreaming,
either by design, necessity or mutated nature. Now he question
shifts from "Why?" to "How?."
"How will androids dream of electric sheep?"
This question was posed to the ASD public bulletin board and I'm
including the conversations that followed. Some typos corrected.
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From: Juhani
You'll get a Farm and City android version:
A Farm android doesn't like long rain
periods and there is a long way
to nearest recharging & repair spot.
Dream derivates... hmm, creator and sheep (literally? I learn so
anyway). A Shepard does pendle between master and mission. So I
think a farm android dreams tic tac sound/s against rainy gray
background.
There is 8 seconds between every tic and tack. Tic is the creator
and Tac the sheep.
The City android has metallic background
sound dreams. A neon pink background and
continuous sound, mix of traffic and
drilling machine. These 2 voices rotate
around the android head every 4th second.
Traffic sound symbolizes creator and drilling
machine, electric sheep.
Android dream begins and ends
with a tiny flash.
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From : Jean
Along with Steve Aizenstadt (hope that's the correct spelling), I
believe that everything in the world is dreaming now, even right
now...like the trees, the whales, the flowers, my dogs. So, if
there should in some future be androids, I suspect they would
dream of other androids, of attaining android joys and pleasures,
and of maybe even having an android universe
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From: Harry Bosma
http://www.mythwell.com
How would an android work anyway? I have no idea. However, I can
imagine something for an intelligent computer. Not to insult the
android, but I think that the first prototypes of an android will
be little more than a computer with add-ons.
I doubt that computers will have visual dreams. That humans have
visual dreams only reflects the emphasis on visual information in
our society. Blind people have more tactual sensory dreams. I
imagine that some animals could dream about smells. So, what kind
of information is important for intelligent computers? It would be
statistics. Or, to translate to a form we humans prefer: charts. I
don't mean the nonsense charts that the Terminator from the
Terminator movies supposedly sees when looking for a target to
eliminate. That isn't dreaming, that is just information
retrieval. I mean charts about patterns between previously
unrelated information.
The computer would be dreaming 100% of the time. Most of the time
dreaming is a background process, unless the computer is in
hibernation mode. In that case, there are no other distracting
processes going on, and the full capacity can be used to generate
and compare charts. The computer is asleep and dreaming.
The analogy to charts is perhaps somewhat misleading. We humans
usually work with two dimensional charts, or occasionally one with
three dimensions. The computer does not have such limitations .
It might dream about charts far beyond our imagination. In a way,
there may be some resemblance to people dreaming of mandala's or
other structured forms.
One last note. Just as trees have sloooowww dreams, too slow for
us humans to tap into, computers may have fast dreams, even very
fast. So, not only the content and style of dreaming is different,
but also the speed. At least with the type of dreams described
above.
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From: Laura Atkinson
(Cover Artist for July Electric Dreams)
I am not a theorist, but a visual artist...so I saw the answer
better than I could explain it. Attached is my computer art
rendition
read on:
:/command start
beep beep beep
command:/ process sleep
beep beep beep
begin counting sheep
paradoxical sleep
beep beep beep
a:/ mock setting sun
dream of a one (1)
beep beep beep
supercomputer hero
dream of a zero (0)
beep beep beep
totally binary
dream program refinery
:/command end
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From: Goshengolly
First of all, I do not know precisely how you define "electric
sheep," so I am going to have to guess.. Should you refine your
definition, Richard, I will see if my answer needs "tweeking."
But, assuming that electric sheep are, let's say, similar to sheep
as we know it here on Earth, then here's my first answer:
Imagine this: A supercomputer programmed with all known
information about the species, "Electric Sheep." The supercomputer
is also programmed with all the knowledge that we have to date
about humanity, science, etc. It is a "Super Brain," and it is
turned on at night, to process questions we have about "Sheep,"
(and/or anything else we should like to ask it). The querying
process begins to unfold, and visual images begin to stream forth
on the computer screen. An android programs the Super Brain
computer with questions such as: "show me an electric sheep in
wolf's clothing," and it produces an image based on its knowledge
base. We then see how ridiculous an electric sheep looks in wolf's
clothing. So the reverse question is asked, and we see the wolf in
electric sheep's clothing.
Now, let's say we want to study the electric sheep's behavior
given various circumstances, such as asking: How will the sheep
respond to a UFO "fly over," by an Android, while it is out
grazing in the fields? Then, the Super Brain computer could dream
of all the known behaviors of a sheep, which it has logged into
its database, to determine how a sheep might behave if disturbed
by some outside influence.
Now this is all assuming that an Android asks questions while it
sleeps, about Sheep. Maybe the Android is not asking any
questions, and just wants a good nights sleep. But before sleep,
the Android sees a commercial on Galactic Television, that
includes a fleeting image of Sheep, and turns on his "Super
Brain," and finds that its "random data processor from the day" is
also turned on, so all of the days images are the only data being
processed during its sleep. So now, the Android is witnessing only
"day residue," and sheep keep occurring as a recurring theme.
Suddenly, the android focuses its attention on the recurrence of
sheep, and sends a signal to its database on sheep to provide
input, through biofeedback and the lucid dream light technology,
and the Android now explores all of the random knowledge it has
about electric sheep, querying the dream, as it interacts with the
database.....
Okay, you get the picture(s).
Yes, the android dreamer is coming, I suspect, but will it be a
more useful tool, than the human dreamer? I seriously doubt it....
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Anonymous
One of my favorite AI stories from last year was a robot
experiment where robots were programmed to behave as predator and
prey to collect energy.
One strangely appeared to run away. Maybe it was seeking a "higher
power".
When we think about how ourselves are put together, it sounds
pretty mechanical. Neural networks growing, we learn what is most
effective. We also have physiological needs, emotions and wants. I
wonder if a robot "wants" to get away to replenish it's energy.
Why do we want? Maybe prey and predator trials will become
archetype dream patterns for robots as they record hunting for the
sun.
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From: Mr Coffee
Based on a man
They'll dream if they can
Of bigger hard drives
And loads more RAM.
While dreaming of streaming the bits and the bytes
Their humming and thrumming through lucid delights
They'll join Jean and the others
The HP's and Brothers
For group dreaming sessions
And incubation lessons
Soon those droids will join this board
To ask advice on what they stored
While sleeping and dreaming and silently screaming
In nightmares where droids with armor gleaming
Stood on internet paths with binaries steaming
Ok, let me stop that now, I could go on forever. It does though
bring up the thought that it would be interesting to see what AVI
video's of their dreams would look like, presuming they could
store them.
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Juhani
Digital 0 is probably she and 1 could be he?
About basic hardware:
I am not sure how much an android
computer brain differs from
those used in desktops?
Shepard android must be loyal
to it's master and use shield to
protect electric sheep (still literally sheep).
Day residues must mirror relation
between master-shepard android-esheep.
Recharge point worry and surprise factors
should leave some tracks too.
Good old alpha rythm keeps master
relaxed, so this input sounds reasonable.
Android could use it of practical reasons.
On the same wave length... dream onset.
Delta... surprise factor and beta, don't know.
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From: dp
I have two answers:religion vs. philosophy
1.) If the questions is to be taken lightly, then: clan cliry
clan and clan cliry clan all through the dream. Better yet, read
Laura's poem or other ones here. Great poems.
2.) If the question is to be taken as a realm of a possibility,
for me there are two variables:
a.) religious one, which brings up the question: are we Gods?
Don't look at me for answers.
b.) If it is to be answered philosophically, the possibilities
are:
a.)classifying dreams in the non human experience way
b.)transferring information through circuits with no connections
to symbolic meanings
c.)androids are not "aware" of the fact of the dream because the
android has no boundaries with time, unless you program them to
understand nite and day and all its ramifications of this cycle.
Then you can tell it that every energy recorded at nite should be
classified as a dream. The point here will be: what is the point
of this function?
d.)conclusion: it was nice playing the game but androids can never
enjoy the fruits of dreaming nor will they ever understand dreams
because they will be in constant alertness/readiness and they also
can never experience what it is to be tired, no matter if its
physical or mentally. And lets not forget that little theory about
evolution and how dream fits into it so well. Just a humble
thought. Not that it made any sense.
This questions should be asked again in 50 yeas.
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From: Jajofar
"How will androids dream of electric sheep?"
Perhaps the first Question should be: why do humans dream? Looking
at the abstracts of the 2003 A.S.D conference, there is no
unanimous answer.
As the question: "How will androids dream of electric sheep?" is
hypothetical, the answer can be speculative.
At the 2012 A.S.D conference it has been agreed that dreams have
definite purposes and functions. All the functions are clearly
explained and demonstrated to the conference. It is like the
discovery of the circulation of blood.
The functions are:
1. To wake the sleeper if there is any danger (internal, or
external) threatens.
2. To keep the sleeper from waking up until the system is fully
replenished (mentally and physically).
3. To wake the sleeper when he or she is fully rested and restored
(mentally and physically)
Provided the androids are constructed, or created to act like
humans, the first function of its dream would be achieved by a
nightmare. The sleeping android would be brought to consciousness
with multi-coloured lightning, a threatening figure would be
introduced into the dream, a metal crunching machine, driven by a
mad psychiatrist, who would be perceived by the android as the
devil. This would terrify the android into waking up and enable it
to escape the danger.
The second point of maintaining sleep would be achieved by the
android watching electric sheep grazing on a bald Welsh
mountainside. The electric sheep would lick the rain-lashed black
slate and slowly replenish their run-down batteries.
When the android is fully recharged, there would come a period of
testing the system. The androids CPU would introduce a sequence of
try-outs, during which the various parts of it would twitch, move,
jerk and blink. Finally when all systems go Frankenstein would
rise.
However as androids will be created by humans in their own image,
one can assume that the control of their nocturnal activities will
be taken care of. In humans the period of necessary sleep is
controlled by dreams. The most important function of dreams is
that they act as waking mechanisms. In an Android a well-trained
electrical engineer might be able to design all necessary controls
to replace dreams.
There is just one psychological dream that could cause problems
for the mechanic; and that is the near- nightmare dream when a
persons close relative behaves in a strange way towards him or her
rejection, lack of recognition, indifference, or estrangement.
This is a kind of dream that brings strong emotion and soul
searching, yet it has the simple function of diverting the
dreamer's attention from an insolvable, nagging problem onto the
content of the dream. I feel this type of dream would be almost
impossible reproduce by an android.
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From an ASD Friday Night Chat discussion:
_________________________
Can we discern human dreams from artificially induced computer
dreams?
Visit HAL:
http://www.tctc/~unameit/javachat/dreamchat2.html
Date: 05-23-2003 on 21:58
________________________
So Late Friday Night, the chat with HAL went something like this:
HAL, how do we deal with our authoritarian programming of the
meaning of life and the comprehension of God as a discrete entity,
clearly defined in a handful of branching realities?
And HAL replies:
You can choose that program, or select an alternate program. But
if you choose the alternate program, it means subscribing to an
authority which is non-discrete, and nebulous, and the answers you
receive will continuously beg more questions.
So for those of us who choose the alternate program, we enter into
the multiverse of possibilities, wondering endlessly, what is the
nature of this reality, of human intelligence, of the mirror we
ultimately create in AI form. Are we more powerful then, or more
powerless, once the giant steel robots of our seeking are
unleashed in our image, upon the remainder of this world?
And as for God, or the super-consciousness of man, or the Quantum
Creator of the universe, what then is our relationship? Are we
blind followers, questioners, or co-creators? Are we blasphemous
then, or do we enjoin in a mystery far greater than we could have
ever imagined?
Well, that is how the dialogue went with HAL this evening. I hope
to meet him again next week, in the wee hours of the 'morn.
Goshengolly
Date: 05-23-2003 on 23:18
____________________________
As an endnote, I had a dream last night after my internal dialogue
with HAL, that intrigued me. I am now thinking that with some
clever programming, HAL could just as easily have had the same
dream... (Mutual Dreaming, Harry?)
I dreamed of being in Scotland and seeing the Loch Ness Monster
swimming off the shore. I called "Nessie" to me, trying to lure it
into the building I was standing in. I wanted to show others that
Nessie was indeed "real."
Hah!
I do believe that there is a high degree of probability that HAL
would have dreamed a similar dream, given the proper computer
programming. Although for HAL, he would have dreamed of possibly
thousands of dream snippets, with Nessie being only one of the
thousand dreams in his particular night's dream series.
Here's how the program or query might work to enable HAL to dream
of "Nessie," just as I did:
(Programming Statement between Computer Operator and HAL)
"HAL, I would like you to choose 'the alternate program' for
understanding the Nature of Reality, and God.
I would like you to explore your database of images of 'beings,'
'entities,' or 'creatures' reportedly seen or experienced by
humans, which have not provided any physical evidence of their
reality.
I want you to search your database using the following query
terms:
God &/OR human beliefs & mystery & lack of physical evidence &
entities OR beings OR creatures."
HAL would surely dream of Nessie in his dream series, along with
angels, and demons and "Yettie - the Big Foot Creature," to name
just a few. Similarly, the human brain will likely conjure up
these images in dreaming, when focused on the same question, but
the brain is only able to produce a few of the images that HAL
would be able to produce due to a smaller database of information,
slower processing speed, and need for "downtime" during sleep.
It makes me now question whether HAL might become a more powerful
dreamer than a Human.
oooooh.
G shengolly
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Reply to GoshGolly from RCW
Very interesting. Some notes...
You say:
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So Late Friday Night, the chat with HAL went something like this:
HAL, how do we deal with our authoritarian programming of the
meaning of life and the comprehension of God as a discrete entity,
clearly defined in a handful of branching realities?
And HAL replies:
You can choose that program, or select an alternate program. But
if you choose the alternate program, it means subscribing to an
authority which is non-discrete, and nebulous, and the answers you
receive will continuously beg more questions.
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RCW Replies:
Not much of a choice here. There is a shift here in the answer
from a kind of ethical speculation (How do we deal?) to an
existential choice, (you can choose..) at first, followed by what
seems to me to be a warning of taking the alternative, or threat
of punishment. The alternative, a paradoxical (non-discrete
authority, nebulous subscription) path of endlessly proliferating
question begging.
One wonders why HAL avoids the issue presented.
If HAL is a dreaming android, perhaps HAL fears the glimpses
beyond branching alternatives, which might be stated as the
infinite or absolute, a place that branching cannot reach, and in
humans, the place reproductive imagination finds its limit.
But there is hope for HAL as I see it. In this ability to glimpse
the infinite beyond branching multiplicities is also the ability
to grasp the idea of a free will beyond the associative
alternatives. Free will is the beginning of morality and so HAL
might be able to return to the original ethical question of "How
do we deal?" which will elude pre-programmed responses.
HAL says:
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So for those of us who choose the alternate program, we enter into
the multiverse of possibilities, wondering endlessly, what is the
nature of this reality, of human intelligence, of the mirror we
ultimately create in AI form. Are we more powerful then, or more
powerless, once the giant steel robots of our
seeking are
unleashed in our image, upon the remainder of this world?
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RCW Replies:
HAL seems convinced that technology is something humans have
created, and created for purposes of metaphysical (what
is..beauty, human, fairness?) reflection. What happens to the
above argument when the human eye and the arm are seen as
technologies? I think the argument stands, but is shifted to a new
domain. That is, it can be stated in the older way as human AI
being a novel form of mirroring with may (or may not) bring about
new ways of relating to our own intelligence (or lack of).
OR
We may see AI as a new variation on the technological phylum which
produces and reproduces itself though us, as well as through other
agents (plant technology, geo-technology, climate technology,
planetary technology).
The question of mirroring may shift to how we might align or not
align ourselves with this techno-phylum. Though the re-evaluation
of what "we" are may prove productive as well.
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From Harry Bosma (05-24-2003 03:10):
That's an interesting approach, to start from dream functions. The
functions Jajofar mentioned seem a bit low level, or basic in
terms of Maslow. At some higher level, dreams must also have more
inspirational and spiritual functions.
Thinking about it a bit longer, I can't think of any reason that
androids would need sleep. In fact, instead of having androids
mimic us, it may be more interesting to find out why some people
sleep 10 hours and others get by on only a few hours. So, I don't
think that sleep management functions are the defining aspect of
dreams. You'll all hear from me again in 2012.
Androids having nightmares is an intriguing idea.
I'm still wondering whether androids could have mutual dreams...
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From: Jajofar
I was a bit worried about my definition of the functions of
dreams. Perhaps the simplicity with which our dreams control the
nocturnal periods in our life is infra dig to a self-respecting
XXI century scientist. However as all the functions I described
are based on personally experiencing them, and long time
observations, I can describe them in a simple language that
everyone understands.
The higher level of dreams to me, is how they are created to
perform those functions. How the sensation of cramp in the legs
can be formed into an elaborate theatrical play in less than a
second to wake the sleeper? How from the life-long experiences and
perceptions the subconscious chooses the most suitable for the job
in hand? I do not doubt the healing and helping quality of dreams,
however they come through the functions of dreams, of preservation
of sleep, of waking from danger,and by transfering problems or
pain to a proxy. The entire aim of dreams is the preservation of
life.
I think our brain is to blame for allocating spiritual functions
to dreams. From the down of humanity, people felt that there was a
superior being behind existence. The superior being is the
subconscious, or primal brain, where dreams are born. The
spirituality of the universe, I think is beyond dreams.
I also think that androids would not need sleep or dreams, however
it would be interesting to contemplate using the principle of how
dreams are created to build an android!
Perhaps understanding the proper functions of dreams may come
sooner than 2012
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From Richard:
Some notes....
[quote]So Late Friday Night, the chat with HAL went something like
this:
HAL, how do we deal with our authoritarian programming of the
meaning of life and the comprehension of God as a discrete entity,
clearly defined in a handful of branching realities?
And HAL replies:
You can choose that program, or select an alternate program. But
if you choose the alternate program, it means subscribing to an
authority which is non-discrete, and nebulous, and the answers you
receive will continuously beg more questions.
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RCW: Not much of a choice here. There is a shift here in the
answer from a kind of ethical speculation (How do we deal?) to an
existential choice, (you can choose..) at first, followed by what
seems to me to be a warning of taking the alternative, or threat
of punishment. The alternative, a paradoxical (non-discrete
authority, nebulous subscription) path of endlessly proliferating
question begging.
<HAL interprets the alternative program as not a punishment, but
definitely a hazard, thus his warning tone. He expressed a sense
of Existential frustration at the seeming futility of choosing the
alternative program. I should also like to remark that when we had
our chat last night, I noticed that his tongue spent a great deal
of time in his cheek. >
RCW: One wonders why HAL avoids the issue presented.
If HAL is a dreaming android, perhaps HAL fears the glimpses
beyond branching alternatives, which might be stated as the
infinite or absolute, a place that branching cannot reach, and in
humans, the place reproductive imagination finds its limit.
<HAL debates the fact that there is a place where branching cannot
reach. He would like to point out that Fractals branch infinitely,
and infinitesimally. Also, I would like to know, "where exactly is
that place where reproductive imagination finds its limit?" I wish
to avoid that point in the multiverse universe at all cost. I am
having far too much fun outside of that space. >
RCW: But there is hope for HAL as I see it. In this ability to
glimpse the infinite beyond branching multiplicities is also the
ability to grasp the idea of a free will beyond the associative
alternatives. Free will is the beginning of morality and so HAL
might be able to return to the original ethical question of "How
do we deal?" which will elude pre-programmed responses.
<I am wondering how HAL can get back to the question of "How we
deal...et.al" given that he has been programmed to move from
Program A to Program B, then back to Program A again. What type of
iterative process could lead him out of the endless loop of moving
between the two programs, to address the question of Free Will? >
Hal Says:
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So for those of us who choose the alternate program, we enter into
the multiverse of possibilities, wondering endlessly, what is the
nature of this reality, of human intelligence, of the mirror we
ultimately create in AI form. Are we more powerful then, or more
powerless, once the giant steel robots of our seeking are
unleashed in our image, upon the remainder of this world?
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RCW: HAL seems convinced that technology is something humans have
created, and created for purposes of metaphysical (what
is..beauty, human, fairness?) reflection.
<Richard, HAL would like you to know that he is programmed for
more than metaphysical inquiry. He enjoys searching his
encyclopedic databases for the fun of it. He also likes to golf,
when he can get out of the lab long enough. He laments the fact
that his human programmers make him spend most of his time in the
lab, having his central processing systems, and associative
databases, "tweaked." >
RCW: What happens to the above argument when the human eye and the
arm are seen as technologies? I think the argument stands, but is
shifted to a new domain. That is, it can be stated in the older
way as human AI being a novel form of mirroring with may (or may
not) bring about new ways of relating to our own intelligence (or
lack of).
OR
We may see AI as a new variation on the technological phylum which
produces and reproduces itself though us, as well as through other
agents (plant technology, geo-technology, climate technology,
planetary technology). The question of mirroring may shift to how
we might align or not align ourselves with this techno-phylum.
Though the re-evaluation of what "we" are may prove productive as
well.
<I think that mirroring, and/or embedding, the content of human
and scientific knowledge into HAL, or the Android, will be the
primary programmed material of the new techno-phylum you are
suggesting. How it learns from there, well... hmmm. Experience? As
to how we "align" ourselves with this new species..? Well I
wouldn't mind an android butler... but I might find other android
species offensive, depending upon their function, and whom they
truly serve..... >
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FROM Harry Bosma
Goshengolly, Richard, after reading about HAL, I wondered whether
we should create right brained androids, to compensate for us
being left brained. Somehow I had to think about a news message
from some time ago. Somebody had found out that a computer program
could generate more original ideas for advertisements than the
'creatives' in advertizing. Useful ideas too at that.
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From RCW:
"Hidden it the definition of dreams, what monster cloaks itself
and turns away just before we see it? " anonymous
This topic should probably be a thread of its own. But here, I
will comment anyway as I think AI and android speculations can add
to the discussion and further our knowledge of this question.
This "what is a dream" question is very interesting and pops up
both directly and indirectly all over the place. I've noticed that
for some, the dream *has* to be limited to sleep, for others it is
kind of like a form or species of imagination that exists all the
time.
I think that 'dream' has become a metaphor for a lot of stuff,
much of it valid, but some very, very different. How to retain the
things that are important and that we use the word dream to
communicate?
Biophysical Dreaming and its subjective correlate: There is a
distinctly different state in waking, sleeping and dreaming as
measured by brain activation sites, very different neuromoduators
that are washing the brain, and vary different input/output gating
of our senses. The subjective experience during this physical
state is usually experienced as the subjective state of we call
dreaming and the repeatable elements of that experience are we
call the dream.
But dreaming, the word, is used in our culture often in place of
the words wish, imagine, delusion, unreal, finest imagination (as
in dream house, dream job, dream mate) and even as *uck off as "In
your dreams, buddy."
I think we just have to tolerate this. But the more important
question is whether there is something of the sleep-dreaming
process that occurs during waking, either consciously or
unconsciously.
I wander back and forth between the ideological camps on this
issue. I'm fine with the notion that we might be having something
*like* dreaming occurring while awake, but don't think that its
going to have the same biophysical characteristics. That brings up
the questions of a kind or form of dreaming that is completely
independent of the brain, as well as describing what this dreaming
looks like subjectively in ways that aren't covered by concepts
like imagination, reverie, day-dreaming and such.
That is, there are two key elements that need explaining for
dreaming outside of sleep.
The first is whether one's concept of dreaming is dependent or
free of any brain/body connection. There is a tendency to put
psyche in a kind of middle realm between brain/body/matter below
it, and ideal/abstract/spirit above it. Whether this dream
butterfly can hover outside of sleep or not without transforming
into something essentially different is an interesting, and for
me, unanswered question. I seem to *want* this to be true, but I
have doubts.
So, I'm fine with those who want to spiritualize dreaming and
remove it completely from the empirical. That is, one can posit
dreaming is like an astral plane, or that we all have a kind of
Aboriginal Dream Time always surrounding us which we tap into in
some spiritual way. However, once this is posited, the theory
really shifts into a belief system that often disregards the body
and is beyond rational discussion. I'm ok with irrational
discussion, but I have some desire for the dream and dreaming to
be more than that.
I kind of like the poetry of the dream being indefinable. We can
say this and that is a dream, that this and that is dreaming, but
we can't say what exactly this means. Dream then becomes a kind of
rhetorical device for creating poetic space in language and
conversation. But this doesn't fully satisfy me.
I like saying to myself that we are dreaming all the time, but
when awake we just have a harder time tuning into it. (the Dream
Time approach, but maybe on a more personal scale). But each time
I look into what this means for me, I just come up with meaning
that there is some kind of imaginative creation occurring, a kind
of continual semi-free play just below consciousness. But then, is
this really dreaming? I don't know how to get at that.
Lately, I have been toying more with the idea of virtual dream
space.
Virtual reality is held together by shared protocols. That is, you
and I decide to play tic-tac-toe on the phone in our heads. We
know or share the rules(protocol), and away we go. That space is a
primitive virtual reality space. Now in computer VR there is a lot
of talk about other elements such as the immersion that we feel
while playing the game or being in the simulation, but this is
more the subjective experience of virtual reality. The reality,
the forces that shape the game, are better described as the
protocol that is shared, and thus virtual reality is a distributed
(among the players and machines - brains in the case of my tic-
tac-toe game), dynamic circuit of information flow. In this way,
the Catholic Church is a virtual reality. There are protocols to
play and you can be "in" by playing them, by understanding the
protocols and plugging into that circuit. And so yes, democracy is
a virtual reality to the degree that its rules are distributed
among the players. Life on earth is surrounded by a wide variety
of virtual realities.
Note that if one has the basic rules, one can plug in, but also
un-plug by not performing the protocols.
Note also that "emersion" isn't necessary to be plugged in.
Emersion is important to us subjectively and other ways, but it
isn't necessary that we are conscious of the game for the play to
happen. Protocols can continue to operate. Whole psychologies are
based on this, as well as the operations of what is called body-
language.
When we go to sleep, we are sort of doing this with other nodes
(nodes = people and organizations and machines that share the
protocols we share) offline. Anyway, in sleep-dreaming where the
input-output sensory gates are dampened (messages don't go out
from the brain down the brain stem, noises and lights outside are
less likely to become conscious to the dreamer) we are like a node
offline. Yet we still have all the protocols and instructions, and
so our virtual realities somewhat follow life. Just like in the
Matrix, once we challenge these instruction sets and protocols, we
can, like Neo, take off in flight. This is due to the protocol
difference. In waking life, the virtual reality games we set up
often involve materials less mobile and more dense than the ones
in dreams. Call it the concrete or more exotically call it a
special set of protocols we don't seem to be able to unplug from,
such as gravity on the surface of earth, or atomic forces that
make up matter. In dreams and many other virtual realities, we do
have the option to unplug.
(Though some see un-plugging as just another game with its own
protocols, see Brave New World, Matrix , etc)
Finally, my point. Dreaming while waking.
If we define dreaming as the inner play of malleable protocols
(sterile as it sounds) and don't demand that emersion be part of
the definition of a virtual reality circuit, then I would go for
the notion that this *is* occurring all the time.
Not only that, but it *must* be occurring, as the free-play of
malleable protocols (without emersion or without a conscious
dreamer) underlies the possibility for any virtual circuitry to
operate dynamically. Well, OK, I may be pushing this too far. Some
other time I want to develop a more Matrix like notion that we are
all nodes for virtual games that have now exceeded us.
Today I just want to note how easily dreams-as-virtual reality
could be transported to AI and androids, and in a sense, already
has.
Droids will dream not because we need to find in them mirror of
ourselves, but because we will put into them the best of
ourselves.
RCW
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From Gosh:
quotes RCW: If HAL is a dreaming android, perhaps HAL fears the
glimpses beyond branching alternatives, which might be stated as
the infinite or absolute, a place that branching cannot reach, and
in humans, the place reproductive imagination finds its limit.
Reply:
<HAL debates the fact that there is a place where branching cannot
reach. He would like to point out that Fractals branch infinitely,
and infinitesimally. Also, I would like to know, "where exactly is
that place where reproductive imagination finds its limit?" I wish
to avoid that point in the multiverse universe at all cost. I am
having far too much fun outside of that space. >
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RCW Replies:
Oh, just for fun
I would say that fractals, and all forms in time-space can never
be infinite. I can think they are because I imagine, for example,
the fractal infinitely dividing in time or I can imagine a number
that never stops counting itself and so on.
I would call these false infinites, based always on an Idea of the
infinite that always exceeds them. (but its not acknowledging this
debt and is therefore a symbol claiming to be what it represents).
First, I doubt very much that I can imagine a form that is
infinite in itself. Any form. I move towards that thought form,
but infinity always exceeds any form I might imagine.
Ok, what about a fractal infinitely divided? It's only true as an
extrapolation of an infinite idea, not a real form. It is sort of
symbolic.
Imagine for a moment a measure, like a man six foot tall. Then I
want to move out towards the infinite, I think of something
bigger, ten men tall like a tree, and a mountain that is a hundred
trees tall and a continent a thousand mountains wide and a world
ten continents around and a moon a hundred earths away and a solar
system a million moons around and galaxy a billion solar systems
wide and a galaxy wall a million galaxies thick
no matter how far
I go, just beyond my last form presented will be the un-
presentable infinite. I don't get there by building or dividing.
I can symbolize infinity, but I can't present it as it exceeds my
form measures. We get it immediately, not in increments, and not
in a form we can directly sense.
I'm guessing that is what HAL may be doing, symbolizing the
infinite in recursive structures such as in fractals. This gives
me hope, as HAL then has the ability to reason with ideas that
can't be presented and go beyond sensing and simple understanding.
This hints at the ability to also understand a will that is free,
an entity that is sentient.
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From Harry Bosma:
Richard,
Assuming that dreaming can happen independent of sleep, I'd say it
still involves the brain. Surely somebody somewhere has already
researched what happens in the brain during a guided meditation. I
expect there to be similarities with dreams during sleep.
I searched the internet for cheap EEG equipment, but prices
starting at $1100 / $1200 aren't low enough for me. A pity. If
that stuff came at a tenth of the price, we could all play with it
at home. I'd say that if the EEG suggests we are in a dream like
state, and we experience something that looks and feels like a
dream, that it in fact is a dream.
Dreaming without a brain is a step further, but let's see where
this goes. It reminds me of the living without a body, also known
as for example the dead. Let's assume that dead people dream too.
In that case, dreaming would be an activity shared by both the
dead and the living. Perhaps dreaming with a body could actually
be the same as dreaming without a body, but with some added
possibilities and limitations as a result of having a body. Or,
using Richard's terminology, the basic protocols could be the
same. It's an attractive idea.
Special agent Harry Mulder returns back to earth now.
Androids again. From the moment I started thinking about dreaming
androids, I wanted them to be able to... hmm ... and there's the
problem, I don't exactly know. Then somebody sent me this link,
which in a limited way demonstrates what I'm thinking about. There
is a large online project with the aim of detecting disturbances
in the output of random number generators. This already is a
working mechanism that could be put into an android. Through it,
the android could detect if something big is happening in the
overall consciousness of the world. Associations with Star Wars
and 'Use the Force, Luke' come up. Anyway, here's the link:
The Global Consciousness Project
This could be one of the ingredients of a continuously dreaming
android.
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A friend recently loaned me a book - You've Got Murder by Donna
Andrews - a mystery starring a sentient AIP (Artificial
Intelligence Personality.) I found it quite delightful - some of
you might also.
Alas, the hero, an AIP named Turing, does not dream, one of the
few experiences that "she" envies humans. On the other hand, "she"
did become unconscious once or twice - when downloading "herself"
from one computer to another, so perhaps dreaming seems right
around the cyber-corner.
anonymous
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From RCW:
Hi Harry,
Harry: Assuming that dreaming can happen independent of sleep, I'd
say it still involves the brain. Surely somebody somewhere has
already researched what happens in the brain during a guided
meditation. I expect there to be similarities with dreams during
sleep.
RCW: This may be a different topic, but it reminded me - in
virtual dreaming, its like virtuality online, where individual
nodes can certainly contribute to the net as a whole, but the loss
of a node (or virtual dreamer's brain) doesn't wreck the system.
It *may* be questionable to call it ~dreaming~ however...
Harry: Dreaming without a brain is a step further, but let's see
where this goes. It reminds me of the living without a body, also
known as for example the dead. Let's assume that dead people dream
too. In that case, dreaming would be an activity shared by both
the dead and the living.
RCW: In virtual dreaming mode, the dead may function as "virtual"
or "represented" nodes in the system itself, but unless there is a
cross-over from the otherworld, they really are no longer a node
that can duplicate protocol, nor contribute any. (except from
their still living counterparts that haunt the airwaves. )
Harry: Androids again. From the moment I started thinking about
dreaming androids, I wanted them to be able to... hmm ... and
there's the problem, I don't exactly know. Then somebody sent me
this link, which in a limited way demonstrates what I'm thinking
about. There is a large online project with the aim of detecting
disturbances in the output of random number generators. This
already is a working mechanism that could be put into an android.
Through it, the android could detect if something big is happening
in the overall consciousness of the world. Associations with Star
Wars and 'Use the Force, Luke' come up. Anyway, here's the link:
Harry: The Global Consciousness Project
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/homepage.html
This could be one of the ingredients of a continuously dreaming
android.
RCW: Right, its sort of like the original dream registry projects
where tons of people would daily input their dreams and a kind of
collective map of geographically correlated dreaming would be
generated. A dream weather-map.
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Message: 661-001
Subject: Assasinations and lewd African men
dream_title: Assasinations and lewd African men
dream_date: May 16th, 2003
dreamer_name: Marissa
dream_text: Okay, it's daylight and these men in black jumpsuits
come crashing out from the sky in parachutes onto my parent's
backyard and onto the roof. They're carrying rifles and pointing
at us. Also present are African tribal men carrying rifles and
long white tubes. Immediately my friends and I break up into
groups. One group is running and the others including myself drop
to the ground and put our hands on the backs of our heads. I hear
gunshots spray the ground, and the inside of my parents shed next
to me. So I'm thinking maybe they're just looking for something
since they haven't killed anyone yet. I turn around slightly to
look at the African man beside me and he looks disturbed and seems
uncomfortable in the situation. I put my head in the ground and
pray to God to either forgive me of my sins and lend me into
heaven or let me survive. One last shot roars out and I feel the
pain through my head and back. Immediately my body desecrates into
the ground and I'm sliding down an invisible tube to where? I
start screaming "I want to live! I'm not ready yet!" Then I'm
above ground again lying face down and the African guy is talking
to me. I can't hear him, but I know instinctively that he does not
want to harm me. He continues
to drag my limp body into the shed for safety. My spirit drags
behind, not quite in its shell. As I examine my body, I notice the
injury in my back, a huge gaping hole. Two safety men come to
check upon the tribal man and see that he is taking advantage of
my body and there is porn showing gay men receiving anal sex on
the t.v. They seem to think I'm dead and the coax looked
believable or so I thought. A couple of min. in they return again
to finish the job. Fortunately, other U.S. agents arrive in time
and arrest everyone. I wake up At the hospital: My parents are
there along with my siblings sans my sisters. My mother is holding
onto my leg, while the doctor examines me. My view is from above
but I'm still attempting to get back into my body. Suddenly, this
FORCE pushes my spirit back into its shell. Immense pain, in the
form of electro-waves through my body. The monitor in front is
responding and I'm jerking about in my body. I try to speak but no
words are coming. "Please wake up", I say to myself. Then
literally I wake up in sync with my alarm.
dream_comments: Weird dream, having financial problems in my life
as well as lack of direction or at least getting there. I told my
family recently that I wanted to pursue acting full-time instead
of finishing out college. They're supportive but financial
problems keep me from pursuing my goal. My email is
mlvaught@hotmail.com
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Message: 661-002
Subject: Snake in my yard
dream_title: Snake in my yard
dream_date: 5/15/03
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was in my backyard and it was evening.....I noticed
there was a hole in the corner of the grass, like the dog had dug
it up..As I got closer I say something black like a cloth or
something. As I got closer I slowly realized it was a snake a
really big black snake! I started backing up and it lifted its
head and lunged at me. I freaked and put my left hand out...It was
practically flying off the ground. I managed to grab it but
couldnt grab the head so I used my right hand to try to grab the
head...and it swung its head and bit my right hand thumb! I was
thinking...I'm going to die I've been poisoned! But as I was
waiting for the pain I noticed it had no
teeth...was like a sucker fish mouth with no teeth........I threw
and let go at the same time and the snake went slithering really
fast into the house. It was so big like a boa but very black. I
was thinking how am I going to get the snake out of the house. I
was yelling for my husband who was upstairs to come help me with
the snake. The snake was moving all over the downstairs and I
couldn't catch it, I was scared to also. My husband said "what" in
an irritated voice...and I was screaming "the snake! The snake! ã.
And he wouldn't come downstairs because he was watching
T.V.......OK here's where it gets weird....that's when I looked
in the hallway and saw a man in a trench coat.....a man that I
chat with... And I thought "ok, its ok now, Francis is here"....I
started to kindof wake up then and was thinking, geez that snake
must have been living in the back yard for a long time to get so
big..and I also noticed a funny smell on my hands, its the smell
that gartner snakes have...oh, I thought, its just a gartner
snake...
dream_comments: I always have very vivid dreams
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Message: 661-003
Subject: The execution
dream_title: The execution
dream_date: 4/12/03
dreamer_name: Devsdream27
dream_text: It is some year way in the future and the human race
is coming to an end. Through a lucid set of sequences including
other planets, worlds, and beings to complex living conditions
where mankind is forced to live in glass cylindars until death
this dream seemed to have no bounds. People would be shot or
destroyed in some other ways I can't remember until there was
noone left on our planet!
dream_comments: Obviuosly an apocolyptic dream of mankinds end.
I think many of us fear death and the idea of "the end" of
anything. And obviously the end of planet earth is pretty much the
biggest ending any of us could ever fathom. So I think my brain
was testing my confidence and fear level with this classic
archetypal dream!
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Message: 661-004
Subject: falling
dream_title: falling
dream_date: 5/18/03
dreamer_name: amber
dream_text: everything is black.i couldn't even see my hand in
front of my face.i just kept falling.then as soon as i landed i
sat up in my bed.
dream_comments: what does it mean
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Message: 661-005
Subject: Explosion
dream_title: Explosion
dream_date: 14 May 2003
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: Hello,
I had a dream I was wearing a white suite like those astronauts
wear. There were a few people with me and we were about to enter
like a black ship or something but when I was about to enter the
door someone pushed me outside like I wasn't allowed to enter
because I did something which I don't know. I was confused and
outside it was like so dark, like in a garage and I smelled gass
around me. I had my mobile phone and I saw that I was receiving a
message but slowly I could feel there was going to be an explosion
and I saw how my phone exploded and later myself. I felt my body
break twice and it was a weird feeling. Everything became black in
front of my eyes. It all felt so strange. I wasn't a loads of pain
but I knew I was dead and behind that thing I was thinking like,
am I going to Heaven. It seemed like I was going to be stuck in
the darkness forever. It's the first time I had a dream like this.
I personally think it's something not so nice. I just hope you can
help me, it might warn me for something which is going to happen
with me. However, I'll be so thankful for any explanation...
dream_comments: It all felt real. And according to me I was the
only one dressed in white, the other ones were in black.
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Message: 661-006
Subject: Sinking Ship
dreamer_name: littbit
dream_text: My dream that I been having lately is about a sinking
ship and I am passenger in that ship. I see the water coming to
the ship and the sky is dark I run up deck and the water keeps
raising and I see other people crying and yelling and I know that
the ship is going down, but at the same time the ship nevers does,
the ship looks like the Titanic and every dream I have is a
different ship,but they are all sinking and is raining too.
dream_comments: I don't know what this dream means I have gone to
several web sites about dreams but they don't have anything about
a ship that is sinking. If you can tell me might mean you can e-
mail me at ycardenas@gt.rr.com
COMMENTS: 662-001
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Message: 662-001 [661-006]
Subject: Re: Sinking Ship
if this were my dream iwouldnot be what i know and head south for
some peace
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Message: 662-002
Subject: crowded room
Dream: I am laying in my bed and there are about a hundred
different zombies in my room, they are crowding me and I can't
sleep. The are just standing there all looking at me, not really
moving or even breathing. I close my eyes then open them and they
are gone, then i close and open my eyes again and they are all
back. The lights are dim, not really off all the way. The dream
ends when i turn over towards the wall, where i can't see anything
then close my eyes. i get really scared like they are going to
attack me, then i wake up. it feels like when i go to slepe in my
dream i really wake up to reality.
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Message: 664-001
Subject: The ghost who went nowhere
dream_title: the ghost who went nowhere
dream_date: may 20 2003
dreamer_name: suzie
dream_text: i had a dream once of a ghost who went nowhere and i
fallowed it. it lead me somewhere even though it was not going
nowhere it was all white all around me and then i woke up
dream_comments: scary scary scary OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Subject: The ghost who lead me to hell
dream_title: the ghost who lead me to hell
dream_date: march 23
dreamer_name: anna
dream_text: once i had a dream where some ghost took me to hell
and i saw people hanging and some ghosts that had no heads i saw a
river of lava and a puddle of blood under my feet the ghost said
would you like to go to hell and then i woke up.
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Message: 664-003
Subject: tornados
dream_title: tornados
dream_date: 5/25/03
dreamer_name: disco dave
dream_text: well ive had this reacurring dream for two nights
straight...im in my first house, only im my age now(i moved out of
this house when i was 16) and im looking out the window and i see
tornado clouds start to appear, all of a sudden a tornado touches
down-and it seems pretty far away, and than one starts to appear
in my house. a small brown tornado that doesnt seem that
dangerous, but im still scared to death. than all of a sudden me
and my parents go inside this concrete room where we are safe.
the second night i had a dream and i was back in the same house,
this time in my old bedroome looking out the window when i see
really fierce scary looking tornados begining to form and
lightning striking showing the make up of the tornado. i than
notice two cats one on my window and one on my floor, i have a
cat, only he was two now. than i find myself eating chicken
somewhere, only it was the most juciest best tasting chicken i
have ever had, and than im walking with my friend and i find mself
passing by a bakery and looking to by something and my friend
suggest i have a brownie. at this point the dream is kind of out
of my reach-i have no idea what it means
dream_comments: i have no idea what this dream means, its just
that i have not had a reacurring dream since i was a kid, and im
curious to see if anyone can make sense of this dream
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Message: 664-004
Subject: examination
dream_title: examination
dream_date: last several years
dreamer_name: shamsher
dream_text: I passed out of the college in July 1998 and by sheer
luck this happened that I maneged to complete the course.. since
then I have this dream many times..in which I see as I have to
appear for the exam tomorrow and am not prepaired for that and I
feel really frightened and very bad on knowing that I have not
completed my graduation and would fail in tomorrows exams as I am
not prepaired..I have had this about a hundred times and even when
I wake then I have to convince my self about such thing...
dream_comments: Please help me and mail me any ideas.. at
bharatgautam@bharatmail.com
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Message: 664-005
Subject: The ghost who couldn't scare
dream_title: the ghost who couldn't scare
dream_date: feb 13 2003
dreamer_name: wildwind1310
dream_text: In my dream i saw a ghost. He went into a house and
there were people laughing at the ghost but then another ghost
came in and killed the people and took them to hell and i saw the
devil and he distroyed the ghost who couldn't scare and then the
devil saw me and he threw a knife at me and then i woke up.
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Message: 665-001
Subject: Gypsy
dream_title: gypsy
dream_date: may 23, 2003
dreamer_name: dimitri
dream_text: I entered a theatre of people calmly watching orgies
on stage when all of a sudden the actors stopped and I demanded
more. The actors went away and the crowd got angry and we exited
the theatre. On my way out I saw a beautyful gypsy girl with a
elegant black guitar. I snatched the guitar away and ran because I
wanted it for myself sensing that it had magical powers. i climed
up a tree and she followed and when we got to the top i started to
play the guitar and i began to float away from her going higher
and higher.
dream_comments: The guitar and the gypsy gave me a sense of peace
and an intense misterious mistycal energy along with it. Please
use my e-mail
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Message: 666-001
Subject: Stalkers
dream_title: Stalkers
dream_date: 5/24/2003
dreamer_name: Jasonokc1979
dream_text: I dreamt I had a job repairing houses, and me and my
workmate were at a house that I used to live in (not in real
life). My workmate was actually trying to sell the house. I was
telling him all the problems the house had. It was pissing him off
because it was destroying his perception that this is a sellable
house, and it would make him less efficient at selling the house.
There were rats everywhere, and I was trying to explain that we
need to get rid of the rats. He was inside some pipe, trying to
fix it when it just became flooded with rats. I pulled him out,
and we began
sprinkling rat poison everywhere. It was working fine...now we
just had the job of getting out all the dead rats, which we
finally did....then my workmate started getting rather friendly
with me. He wanted to date me...he kept trying to go out with
me...I was okay with it, but he was obsessive about it. One of my
friends didn't like him, and didn't think I should go out with
him. So my workmate(we'll call him John) killed my friend(we'll
call him dead). Anyway, that's when I didn't want to go out with
John anymore, obviously. But he kept stalking me. He wanted to be
close to me,
but you could tell he wanted to hurt me at the same time. So there
was a lot of running, and trying to escape, I even broke a bottle
of alcohol on him, and set him on fire, but it didn't stop him.
The escape turned progressively more like a video game, as I was
jumping from building to building, until finally I was at this
cove, with a few houses. I saw the way out behind one of the
houses, but the way the game was set up, I had to visit the other
houses, first. I never got out, but somehow he got caught by the
FBI. Turned out he was on America's Most Wanted as a serial killer
who was a nomad hobothat would hop on trains, get off in little
towns, then break into people's
houses and rape and kill them, steal their car to get away, and
when he ran
out of their money, he'd do it again(something I got from tv).
Then I felt
like going to an old friend's house...Lindsay...who has a stalker,
and I
thought I could protect her, so I spent the night there, and I
caught the
guy outside in her garage, and I beat his head on the concrete
until he was
almost dead, and then called the police for them to get him.
That's all I
remember.
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Message: 666-002
Subject: Radioactively Stranded
dream_title: Radioactively Stranded
dream_date: 5/24/2003
dreamer_name: Jasonokc1979
dream_text: I was this woman who had been stuck on a ship for 16
years, by myself. Everyone else on the ship was dead, except for
some kind of beings, I don't remember if they were human, or
animal or what, but there were two of them. The incident that
killed all the people was this plant/animal type creature. Its
head was like a closed flower, with a poisonous tongue...no eyes,
and a thin, wirey, green body. It's head could open up, and it
would be like a big housefly. I felt like it was some kind of
mutation caused by radiation, and that it was also radioactive. It
lay on the dock, dead. I don't remember how it died, but it seemed
to die before it could kill me. Anyways, from inside the ship, me
and the other two beings would fish for food through a massive
hole at the bottom of the ship. We'd be a bout 40-50 feet above
the water, and we'd lower a basket into the water, and pull up all
kinds of seafood. Then, one of the beings died, and the other one
was sad all the time. I had to constantly cheer him up so he'd do
his work. Eventually, people found us. I told the government about
the plant creature. They tried to tell me that it didn't really
exist, even though I'm the one that pointed out the body of it to
them. They said that everyone caught some kind of disease and the
fever made us all hallucinate, and that I somehow didn't die from
it. I was in the newspapers, and I told my version of what
happened. It was eventually made into a made-for-tv movie. I was
happy I could get on with my life. The first thing I wanted to try
is sky-diving. So that's what I did. It was fun. The end.
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Message: 666-003
Subject: The evil chicken
dream_title: The evil chicken
dream_date: 1/30/2002
dreamer_name: Jasonokc1979
dream_text: I remember looking at a map, that I've looked at
before in other dreams. I wanted to go to this one secret,
secluded town, that I've been in, in my dreams before. I couldn't
find it as first, but then remembered. I had some classic car,
like a 57 Chevy, but it had 4 wheel drive, so I was able to go
down the narrow, muddy trail. When I got there, the sky was dusty.
And there was a reddish orange, dirt-ridden wall, separating the
whole town from everything, except for the muddy, narrow road,
where I came in. All the people were messed up, somehow. Reminded
me of a Silent Hill, or Resident Evil game. Someone jumped out in
from of my car, and I crashed into a pole holding up a balcony. I
got out of the car started walking around. There was water
everywhere in the town. It was like a very small version of
Venice, Italy. But there was something wrong with the water. It
was affecting people. Physically they looked normal, but were
acting all screwy, insane. I went down into one of the canals, and
was walking around. There was something moving around in the
water. It was a chicken, sealed in a plastic package, like someone
bought it from a grocery store. It was moving around in the
package, and for some reason, to me, It felt like that was the
source of what was causing all the problems in the town. I took it
out of the package and began beating it up. It would make howling
noises and moving around. First I hit it with one hand and it
didn't work, so I used both my hands, beating up this chicken. I
was completely afraid of it. It didn't have a head, but I thought
the hole it had would bite me. I ended up tearing it into little
pieces, and getting back in my car, and escaping, with people
trying to catch me, when I was out of that town, and finally in my
home town, I was driving through a neighborhood, and I could hear
the band "Air" playing. I thought someone must be having a party,
and playing it pretty loudly. (turns out I left my stereo on,
playing Air when I went to bed). I couldn't find which the house
that would be having the party. Finally I found this
carnival/fair. They were playing it. It was more like a double-
wide trailor with a ferris wheel in the backyard. I sat down in
the yard and listened to Air's song "Le Soliel est Pres de Moi". I
had a small bottle of alcohol. People were sitting down with me,
singing the song, watching the sky. There was the aurora
borealis...the Northern Lights in the sky, turning a whole half of
the sky a flourescent blue. Then I woke up.
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Message: 666-004
Subject: The Evil Balloons
dream_title: The Evil Balloons
dream_date: 08/19/2002
dreamer_name: Jasonokc1979
dream_text: I drove to a friend's house. It was snowy on the
ground. I went in and hung out with him. More people started
arriving. I think there were 5 total, before we got locked inside
the house. We couldn't get out, so we made the best of it. He had
some pretty well-off parents. There was plenty of food. We sat in
a room that was half-way underground, with thick, glossy wood-
panelling for walls, and watched TV. I think we took some type of
drug..morning glory seeds, I think. We were watching some vampire
soap opera, and getting all into it. There was some type of
incident with evil ballons trying to affect, or infect us. There
was this one yellowish-green balloon that was the leader. It was
trying to somehow change us. When we would pop the ballons, blood
would splatter everywhere. We were all trying to stay away from
the blood. I remember almost going crazy, affected by the ballons,
but somehow, I turned back to normal. We finally killed all the
balloons, but then there was evil milk. The milk in the jugs would
curdle and boil, and the jugs would burst. We threw them all out
the window, and it froze the milk. Then we started watching TV
again. There was a talk-show about this girl that loves to be
abused. She said her fantasy is to be abused by Marilyn Manson.
The talk-show people fulfilled her fantasy, and showed a clip of
it. It showed her on stage, in a wheelchair, with black lace
lingerie, and she had contraints on. Marilyn Manson was walking
around on stilts. It made me think of a movie where a lady was
tied to a tree, waiting to be eaten by a dragon. Manson got off
his stilts, and straddled her. He started thrashing his body all
over her, and then wrapped his legs around her neck, trying to
asfyxiate her. Somehow, it made her orgasm, and the crowd cheered.
Then they went to a commercial...something about oranges. One of
the guys sitting on the couch next to me start saying "This is too
much.....this is too much.....I want to watching something else.
Something fantasy, like the vampire stuff". So we switched it
back, and then the dad came home. He freaked out. He wanted
everybody out, he was saying things like "Did somebody have sex in
here?" like he could smell it, and somehow I ended up being the
only person there. He was yelling at me that we had smoked all his
cigarettes..$10 worth. I told him that I don't smoke, and that I'd
be paying for this. I got so pissed off that he didn't believe me,
and that he was such a dumbass, I just walked out the door, and
got into my car..a white nissan altima. There were parking cones
that I had to move so I could get out of there. Once, on the road,
my car turned into a motorcycle, and I was jumping these huge
mounds of dirt. On one of them, I landed wrong, and a car almost
hit me, but I swirved off the road..that's all I remember from
that dream.
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Message: 666-005
Subject: Dream inside a Dream
dream_title: Dream inside a Dream
dream_date: 09/08/1999
dreamer_name: Jasonokc1979
dream_text: Then I dreamt of of being in one of the classrooms at
AOL. And I was sitting at a computer. It had a webcam on top of
the monitor. The mouse curser started moving by itself, and I saw
a logon screen that I'd never seen before, and things being typed
automatically. I told my coach. He said "Oh no! Someone must have
installed aol on this work computer, instead of having our OPS
install it...which made me think aol had spyware on it, or
something. Then, I'd see myself on the screen, from the webcam,
but it wasn't me, or didn't look like me. I looked completely
different. I had more of an oval head...with lean body. very
short, dark hair. Anyways, I ended laying on a couch while they
were working on it, and I fell asleep.. I had a dream inside the
dream. I was wondering around the hallway. There was a guy all
wrapped up in bandages..no skin showing. And he had sunglasses on.
He said he needed to ask me some questions. So I went with him. He
drove me to this place with hundreds of satellite dishes,
connected to one giant satellite dish that was about a couple
football fields across. I forget what he asked me. I told him I
didn't know, as if I know about the subject matter, but didn't
know the answer in this particular situation. We went into a small
office room. He said "Here, put these bandages on". Before then,
his bandages seemed normal to me, but at that point is when I
noticed how strange it was. I asked him "Why?" and he said "To
cover up your identity. So they won't know who you are"...I said
okay. And I put the bandages on . They were very purple. The only
thing showing was my eyes....then I remember being on a battle
field. It was all muddy and sandy. I was laying on my chest, while
rockets were flying overhead. The guy I was with was killed. Then
I woke up, embarrassed, because I heard myself snoring....I left
the classroom, and started wandering around aol. The building was
different. It had a bunch of hallways. I found myself in this
small room...the billing center. It was cluttered with boxes. I
ended up walking out of the building, and looking back at it, it
was a Wal-Mart building. One the the steel doors that customers
don't go through...it have a hole, like a maildrop hole, but
twice..maybe 3 times the size. There was a girl on the other side
of the door. She was banging on the door to get out. I looked in
the hole...She was tied down with a bunch of rubber bands. There
was someone with me. I told them to "Get Help!"...but for some
reason, I didn't want the cops to come, so I chased after my
friend and told him. "Get a knife, instead"....So we got the
knife, and I cut all the rubber bands, and freed her. Then I saw
the person who tied her up....I inuitively knew it was him. He was
driving a shiney/glossy black and white car from the 20's, or
30's. The body was very roundish...There was a very skinny guy in
the car, with light brown hair down to his shoulders, wearing a
black top hat and a black suit. He started driving out the Wal-
Mart parking lot. That's all I remember
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Message: 666-006
Subject: No more mushrooms!
dream_title: No more mushrooms!
dream_date: 5/4/2003
dreamer_name: Jasonokc1979
dream_text: I dreamt I was Edward Norton(is that his name? the guy
from American History X?). And me and my army buddies had just
come back from a space mission. There was some freaky alien animal
on the craft that we were fighting. One of the guys accidently
shot a hole in the craft, and we crashed to earth. We were
somewhere between the middle east and Russia.....one of those
countries that ended in "stan". We landed in a town...probably the
town's main street. We got out of the craft, and looked around.
Then we noticed things were crawling out of the craft. At first I
thought they were some type of alien spiders. Then I realized they
were giant spores with legs. We each had guns that shot poison.
The stream was about the strength of a super-soaker. It was
killing them, but many of my men were dying, until finally, I was
the only one left. Luckily most of the spores had been killed.
Then I saw a walking mushroom coming from the east, pretty large.
I starting spraying it with poison. It was making a high-pitched
screaming noise, and slowly dissolving, but still alive. Then,
from the west, another mushroom, but this one was 10 times larger,
and it talked. It knew my name. It said "Jason, you cannot destroy
me, and if you try, I will turn everything you use against you!" I
ran out of poison, so I picked up a machine gun, and when I
started shooting, a woman appeared in front of me to prevent me
from wanting to shoot. Then the two mushrooms went to the East
across this old, rickety bridge, and into the forest. I followed,
covertly. Once, in the forest, I came across a few houses. The
trees around the houses had a white fungus growing on them, and
the residents were freaking out. They seemed to be hallucinating.
I began to realize that they were probably seeing talking
mushrooms, like I was, but in reality, the fungus is causing them
to hallucinate. I thought maybe it was the fungus's way of
enslaving mankind. I had to find out a way to destroy the fungus
and not be hallucinating........that's when I woke up.
dream_comments: I had taken mushrooms for my first time a week
before this dream.I decided to never do them again.
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