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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Article: Maslow's Map
A New System of Dream Classification
Chapter 5: Flying Over the Map
By Linda Lane Magallón
++ Article: The Dangers of the Interpretive Approach
By Strephon Kaplan-Williams
++ Article: Do Dreams Have Meaning?
By Richard Wilkerson
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Welcome to the May 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to
dreams and dreaming online.
If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the
resources you need. To join send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered
dreaming news from around the world. In the Global Dreaming News
you will find the latest dream and dreamwork events, conferences,
and seminars. Also you will find research and research requests
for subject, updates on your favorite dream websites, book reviews
and more. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for
Peggy, send them to her at web@dreamtree.com
Lucy Gillis explores the world of lucid dreaming and this month
features Linda Magallon's series of (on-line) questions and
answers about lucid dreaming. Since the ASD is now involved in
producing a new and expanded Dream FAQ for the Internet, I highly
recommend that all who are participating in this please read this
interview. If you would like to help ASD with the FAQ project,
please stop by the ASD site, become a member and join the lucid
dreaming discussion group. http://www.asdreams.org/
Linda Lane Magallón, author of _Mutual Dreaming_ and long time
dream researcher of outer reaches of human potential, continues
her investigation into a neglected area of dreams through the work
of Humanistic psychologist, Abraham Maslow. This month Magallón
explores the upper echelons of flying dreams through Maslow's
hierarchy of needs. What she found that was that while the lower
level dreams prompted her to interpretation, the upper level
dreams prompted her to inspiratio n. Be sure to read Magallon's
article and make the leap from dreamwork to dream trek.
I am often asked, "Do dreams have meaning?" Usually I answer the
question in the context that its being asked with something simple
like "yes" or quote Avens', "we give dreams meaning and then they
reveal their significance to us." But if you stop for a moment and
consider the true complexity of the question, simple answers begin
to open up into deep complications that involve all our
viewpoints, our science, our religion, our hopes and fears and the
languages we use to discuss all these things. So I tried a little
bit longer answer and am including that here this month under the
simple title, "Do Dreams Have Meaning?"
And as long as we are taking this dangerous path into the question
of meaning, I thought it might be nice to include a short piece by
a long time dreamwork pioneer, Strephon Kaplan-Williams. Strephon
is well know to the dreamwork community for his contributions to
the beginning of the Association for the Study of Dreams and the
long time alliance he maintains with self-empowerment and
consciousness raising through dreams. His Jungian-Senoi Dreamwork
Manual was created for just this purpose and is still in print.
Strephon continues educating and teaching dreamwork around the
world and in the last few years has brought his work online,
offers a weekly newsletter, and even has generously set up his
website to display various of his super delightful and magical
Dream Cards. In this article below, he takes up the ongoing
concern in the field of dreams about dreams and their
interpretations. I thought this would make a nice companion piece
to the meaning of dreams article. Be sure to read "The Dangers of
the Interpretive Approach" and sign up for weekly e-mail essays
like this one.
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Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net and
have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be
sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul
of dreamers in Cyberspace.
Thanks to all who sent in information for the Dream Resources
pages. There is still time to get your site updated. You can look
through our collected website links at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/
For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to
stop by one of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
Be sure to look over the program for the 2002 Dream Conference
from the Association for the Study of Dreams in Boston this June.
see http://www.asdreams.org/2002 for details.
I dream my painting, and then I paint my dream.
- Vincent van Gogh
-Richard Wilkerson
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G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
web@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Annual Summer Kaplan-Williams Dreamwork Intensive
- 3-year Professional Training on Dreams & Consciousness
- Current research on dreaming -- International meeting in
Geneva, Switzerland
- School of Metaphysics Dream Hotline
- Summer BADG Meeting with JFKU Dream Studies Students
- ASD Cincinnati Regional Program
- The National Nightmare Hotline - An Update
- May Bay Area Dreamworkers' (BADG) Meeting
- 19th Annual International Conference for the Association for
the Study of Dreams
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Dreams of Women with Knives
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Dream Art of Chris Witkowski
- ONIROS and EASD Updates
DREAM CALENDAR for April-May 2002
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>>>> Annual Summer Kaplan-Williams Dreamwork Intensive
http://dreamwork2000.com/
Strephon Kaplan-Williams will be holding an annual summer
dreamwork intensive in the Netherlands from July 6 to 12 and any
are invited. This will be an international workshop, and people
can write for information to strephon@dreamwork2000.com
>>>> 3-year Professional Training on Dreams & Consciousness
Strephon Kaplan-Williams conducts 3-year Professional Training on
Dreams & Consciousness. A new training will start from September
2002 in the Netherlands. For more information contact Ella
Boeren: ella@dreamwork2000.com or visit:
http://dreamwork2000.com/nederlands/nederlandss.html
>>>> Current research on dreaming -- International meeting in
Geneva, Switzerland, 3 and 4 May 2002 at the University of Geneva
Topics include: neurobiology of dreaming; sleep stages, cortical
activation and dream content; dream recall; mnemonic sources of
dream content; continuity of waking and sleep mentation;
nightmares; and, (In French) Rêves et thérapies cognitivo-
comportementales.
Speakers include: Claudio Bassetti, George Baylor, Mark Blagrove,
Corrado Cavallero, Giorgio Rezzonico, Michael Schredl, Sophie
Schwartz, Robert Stickgold, Inge Strauch, Antonio Zadra, Team of
the Geneva dream laboratory (dir. Jacques Montangero).
Free attendance. Inscriptions to jacques.montangero@pse.unige.ch
>>>> School of Metaphysics Dream Hotline
www.dreamschool.org
The 14th Annual National Dream Hotline will be April 26 - 28. For
the entire weekend the School will have volunteer dream experts
who interpret dreams and answer questions about dreams by phone.
No charge for the service other than the long distance call. E-
mails will also be accepted on a daily basis from people who want
dreams interpreted, and these will posted on the website.
>>>> Summer BADG Meeting with JFKU Dream Studies Students
John F. Kennedy University's Dream Studies Program and its
students have invited Bay Area Dreamworkers Group (BADG) members
for an afternoon gathering to introduce the two communities to
each other and to network. Both communities will be encouraged to
speak about their work with dreams and support each other in their
common interest in dream education. Another reminder will be sent
out in July with driving directions. If you are interested in
attending and are not yet a BADG member, contact Eric Snyder at
esnyder@sonic.net. Please bring a dream or drawing from a dream
for our dream tree and our collaborative art installation, and
bring something sweet or savory to share. This meeting is
dedicated to Dreaming of Peace. When: Saturday, August 10 Time:
2 to 5 p.m. Where: JFKU, 12 Altarinda Road, Orinda Location: Room
201 in Morrison Hall
>>>> ASD Cincinnati Regional Program
Extraordinary Dreams - From Crisis to Creativity
April 27, 2002
http://www.e-dreamdesigns.com/asdohio.htm
9 a.m. to 4 p.m.
Saint John's Unitarian Church
320 Resor Ave., Cincinnati, OH 45220
Meet internationally known dream researcher & author Stanley
Krippner, Saybrook Institute, San Francisco, Former Director of
Maimonides Dream Laboratory & past ASD President. Dr Krippner will
share recent research in his presentation: Extraordinary. Dreams.
Learn from Jungian analyst Jane White-Lewis, past ASD president,
about dream work in schools & the ASD June 2002 International
Conference. Hear featured speakers Roger Knudson, Miami
U. & ASD Board, and ASD's Betty Hollin with Wisdom of the Dream,
Indianapolis. Engage in creative enactments with New York actress
& playwright Sara Ridberg of Dreamplayers. Celebrate at day's end
with a premiere performance of Dream Dance: The Crow and the
Phoenix, story and choreography by Valley Reed, ASD member &
dancer from Dallas, in concert with Cincinnati dancers.
The day offers an opportunity for all who love to dream and share
their dreams with others to come together as individuals and also
as a regional dream network. The theme, Extraordinary Dreams: From
Crisis to Creativity, encompasses dreams related to the September
11 tragedy, including premonitory ones, and dreams of help and
healing which give rise to transforming creative expression.
>>>> The National Nightmare Hotline - An Update
The Association for the Study of Dreams' National Nightmare
Hotline - 866-DRMS911 - is now in it's fifth month of operation.
It has been an important project for ASD, dreaming and most of
all, the general public. The hotline is a place for people to
debrief their nightmares, an educational tool for those who call
for information, and a permanent toll free number that is easily
accessible, during any crisis, for those who need the service.
This hotline is presently being funded through private donations.
If anyone would like to contribute please give the following
information. Any amount, however small, would be greatly
appreciated. At present, the hotline can be maintained at a cost
that is low enough to be quite manageable. For more information on
donating or volunteering for the project, contact The Association
for the Study of Dreams (ASD), Attn: Susan Moreno, Office Manager,
PO Box 1592, Merced, California 95341, phone: (209) 724-0889;
email ASDCentralOffice@aol.com
>>>> May Bay Area Dreamworkers' (BADG) Meeting
Hypnotherapy Techniques in Dreamwork
Sunday, May 19, 2002
1 PM to 5 PM, Potluck
335 Beaumont Blvd., Pacifica, CA
Dora Hannides, Ph.D., host and presenter
(650) 359-8327 dhannides@hotmail.com
Dora Hannides shares several of the dreamwork techniques she
incorporates in her professional practice. She has a doctorate in
clinical psychology with special training in hypnotherapy
techniques. Dora will demonstrate how she uses hypnotherapy to
extend a dream beyond the point when it actually ends. Another
method explored will be interaction with a dream symbol or
character through guided imagery utilizing group hypnosis.
Participants are initially taken through a relaxation and
induction phase and then into the dreamwork.
>>>> 19th Annual International Conference for the Association for
the Study of Dreams
June 15 - 19, 2002
Tufts University, Medford, (Boston), Massachusetts
ASD hosts its 19th annual international conference this year near
Boston. They have chosen the theme Dreams and Cultures for the
2002 Boston Conference in order to address ways in which dreaming
is interwoven with culture, including cross-cultural studies of
dreaming, effects of dreams on cultures, and effects of culture on
dreams and dream content. In addition, we want to recognize the
varied "cultures" which exist within the fields of dream study --
for example, dream and sleep research, dreams and the arts, dreams
and clinical practice.
For those who have not been to an ASD conference, here is a brief
description of what is now 19 years of conferences. A new location
is chosen each year for the conference, 2000 was University of
California, Santa Cruz, we try to alternate between east and west
coasts, and have had two conferences in Europe, at the University
of Leiden, and at London University. The conferences now have an
attendance of several hundred people from many countries. These
include researchers from many academic areas (including
psychology, anthropology, history, sociology, film studies),
professional psychotherapists and psychoanalysts, artists, dream
group leaders and participants, counselors, long-term dream diary
keepers, social and community workers, and many other people who
also appreciate and are intrigued by their own dreams.
The conferences have 3-4 tracks running at the same time, except
for when there is an invited speaker. These include a research
paper track, workshop and experiential track, and a discussion
panel track. For an idea of the wide variety of approaches and
topics addressed in the conference, please see the list of
proposals and titles received at the end of this page, a list of
accepted proposals will be made known in January. All proposals go
through a refereeing process so as to ensure high quality
presentations.
The conference will begin on Saturday evening, June 15 with an
engaging and lively invited panel reflecting the multidisciplinary
and interdisciplinary richness of ASD. Speakers representing the
Arts, Research, Clinical/psychotherapy, Cross-Cultural Studies and
Spiritual/Religious Studies will address the issue of "Why Dreams
Matter".
This opening event will be followed by the traditional opening
reception that will offer conference attendees an opportunity to
greet old friends and meet new attendees, and to continue
discussion generated by the panel.
The five themes discussed in the opening panel will be reflected
throughout the conference. Each day will feature a theme or
special focus in addition to a variety of other presentations.
For more information, and/or to register, visit the website at :
http://www.asdreams.org/2002/index.htm
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>>>> Women's Dreams with Knives Wanted
Dear female dreamers! I am a psychologist and dreamworker from
Vienna, Austria, and I have just finished my study about spider
dreams. Now I am looking for women`s dreams with knives - knives
used as weapons or tools or...? used by the dreamer or other dream
figures. If you have knife-dreams or dream series with knives and
would like to contribute them to my research, please mail your
dreams to johanna_vedral@hotmail.com !
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with
others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the
word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a
public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or
her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to
the links page to us.
>>>> Updates on Oniros and EASD :
ONIROS : French Association for the Study of Dreams
http://www.oniros.fr/accueil.html
Oniros is no longer publishing a Magazine, but the organization
continues to explore and use dreams for planetary sanity and
peace.
EASD : European Association for the Study of Dreams
http://www.oniros.fr/home.html
Webmaster : Roger Ripert
ONIROS
Chitry Mont Sabot
58190 NEUFFONTAINES
France
Tel.: 33.3.86.24.86.41
Fax: 33.3.86.24.04.94
Email: oniros@club-internet.fr
>>>> Dream Art of Chris Witkowski
http://www.artdreaming.com/Dreams_pastels/Dreams_past.htm
In the words of the artist: "I have kept a dream journal since
1987. Within the context of what I call "everyday" dreams, I am
visited by the creatures you see in these paintings. Most are
birds. But animals, insects, humans and objects also make their
appearance in amazingly colorful circumstances and scenarios. Once
I choose an image to work with, it begins another life. It is
important that they look real, as if you might walk outside and
see a pink and turquoise grosbeak. I call this process dreaming
the dream onwards. As I give the images form through my painting,
they often surprise me with a message or meaning beyond what was
revealed by the dream."
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Apr 27 in Cincinnati, OH
ASD Regional Meeting, 9am-5pm. full day with national speakers and
experiential fun. Visit www.asdreams.org for more information.
May 3-4 in Geneva, Switzerland
Current research on dreaming at the University of Geneva, building
Uni-Mail. Free attendance. Inscriptions to
jacques.montangero@pse.unige.ch
May 4 in Vallombrosa, CA
One Day Retreat with Jeremy Taylor, focusing on doing dream work/
Contact Fr. Basil Royton for more information at 408/947.2500 x
4441
May 8 in Berkeley, CA
Jeremy Taylor workshop for sabbatical group at Jesuit School of
Theology: "The Meaning of Dreams and Dreaming," 9-12noon. Contact
Bruce at blescher@jstb.edu or 510/4549.055
May 9 in Danbury, CT
"Healing through Dreams", evening workshop and book signing with
Robert Moss, 7:00-8:30 pm. For more information call 203.837.8361.
May 11 in Palo Alto, CA
Jeremy Taylor will address the Bay Area Association for
Psychological Types, at Stanford: "Contemporary Dream Work and the
Influence of Personality Type on Individuation" , followed by a
short workshop:
"Discoveirng the Deeper Meanings in Our Dreams: A Practical Group
Approach". For more information, contact Tereza at
4tereza@attbi.com or 650/323.6859
May 11-12 in New Fairfield, CT
"Dreaming Other Lives and Other Worlds", weekend workshop with
Robert Moss. For more information, Contact Irene at (203) 264
0319 or umadurga@earthlink.net
May 19 in Pacifica, CA
Bay Area Dreamworkers' (BADG) Meeting; Hypnotherapy Techniques in
Dreamwork, 1 PM to 5 PM, Potluck. Contact Dora Hannides, Ph.D.,
host and presenter, (650) 359-8327 dhannides@hotmail.com for more
information.
May 20 in Indianapolis, IN
THE WISDOM OF DREAMS, St. Vincent Hospital and Health Services;
presented by: Betty A. Hollin, MA. To Register call: 317-338-2273
or 1-888-338-CARE. This program will provide basic and general
information about dreams, why you should pay attention to them and
what they mean.
May 24-25 in San Rafael, CA.
"Starting Your Own Dreamwork Practice", a weekend seminar with
Jeremy Taylor. For more information, contact th Marin Institute
for Projective Dream Work, at
415.454.2793.
May 26-3 in Big Sur (Esalen), CA
Jeremy Taylor's annual five day workshop on "Letting in the Light:
Group Work with Dreams." Find out more about Esalen at
www.esalen.org.To register call 831/667.3005 or fax to
831/667.2724.
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
This month, we feature Linda Magallon's series of (on-line)
questions and answers about lucid dreaming.
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QUESTIONS FROM DREAM GROUP LEADERS ON-LINE
(c) 1999 Linda Lane Magallon
{Q:} What is lucid dreaming? In Western culture, we are currently
calling all "sleep" experiences in which someone is aware they are
having the experience at the time they're having it "lucidity."
Any number of other cultures, current or in history, have named
this phenomenon, and others related to it, by different names.
{Linda:} And, what folks ARE calling "lucid" dreams very often
aren't (per the standard use in the dream community). I've heard
the term applied to visualizations in the waking state, to very
vivid, coherent, colorful, real-seeming (but non-aware that one is
dreaming) dreams. And (this is the tricky one), to lucid
borderland experiences, especially when one is a dreamy state of
consciousness, purposely making up a story. What I call
"imagineering" doesn't occur in a sleep state, because you are
still aware of things like the pressure of your body on the bed
and can so easily be disturbed by outside noises. Aware
imagination, no matter how close to sleep, isn't a "lucid dream,"
in my book.
{Q:} So, are you really "re-entering" the dream when you visualize
it again the waking state?
{Linda:} In my experience, there is a difference between the
context of a waking visualization and that of a dream, even a
lucid dream. The waking experience is much more likely to conform
to waking ego expectation and sequential flow of logic. On the
other hand, the dream might scene shift to someplace totally
different and my dreaming self do things I'd never "dream" of
doing, even resist doing while awake.
{Q:} Is there such a thing as "borderline"lucidity? Or are there
"pre-lucid"experiences or near-lucid ones that people could be
encouraged to become aware of?
{Linda:} Sure. Dreamworker Jill Gregory did a piece in *Dream
Network Bulletin* describing various levels of lucidity. I helped
her define the terms. Ed Kellogg has his own schema, very similar
to Jill's, which has been in use during the last mutual lucid
dreaming project.
{Q:} Has anyone encountered any information relating lucid
dreaming to "non-first-person dreams" - that is, dreams in which
the dreamer experiences dream events from the standpoint of
another person or persons or animal or non-waking standpoint?
{Linda:} I've had plenty of lucid dreams in which I was not-Linda.
I might have "seen another" and then "become the other." Or simply
started the dream as another.
{Q:} Is there any evidence pro or con that introverts are more
likely to have lucid dreams spontaneously? Do as many extroverts
as introverts have lucid dreams?
{Linda:} Ernest Hartmann showed that "thick boundaried" people
tend to recall their dreams less than "thin boundaried" people and
there is a tendency for "thin boundaried" people to be introverts.
Thus, the population that remembers their dreams is already skewed
in favor of the introverts.
{Q:} Do people of certain MBTI-types have lucid dreams and others
not? Or do certain enneagram types?
{Linda:} Off the top of my head, I don't know of any Enneagram 3
and 8 lucid dreamers, but I can think of examples from the rest of
the pack. I suspect it includes the entire spectrum, because a
couple of years ago, LaBerge had his readership take Myers-Briggs
exams and discovered that there were lucid dreamers from virtually
every one of the 16 personality types.
{Q:} What do people want out of lucid dreaming?
{Linda:} My observation is that there is a correlation between a
person's motivation for lucid dreaming and their personality trait
indicators. In general, the Myers-Briggs "NF's" love meaning and
significance while the "NT's" tend towards accomplishment (which
can include becoming an accomplished dreamworker) and exploration.
In general. There are always exceptions to this "rule."
{Q:} If you have a heart's desire and then you have the
opportunity to obtain it through lucid dreaming, what happens
then?
{Linda:} I have heard folks tell stories about being satiated by
obtaining their heart's desire in a lucid dream and then getting
bored by the whole thing. I would contend that whatever they
attained wasn't a nourishing heart's desire. In my view, and
unlike an addiction (being fed by cotton candy that doesn't really
satisfy), a nourishing desire packs the vitamins and minerals that
result in growth and change. I would call flying in dreams a
nourishing desire. I've never tired of it and engaging in that
activity continues to move me towards health.
{Q:} Do you know where I might find information about spontaneous
lucid dreamers which either demonstrates a correlation between
lucid dreaming and visual and/or other sensory disability on the
part of the dreamers?
{Linda:} When I was reading and analyzing the letters in response
to LaBerge's 1984 Parade magazine article, I found 5 people who
claimed to use lucid dreaming as a substitute for physical outlet:
a paraplegic, amputee, paralytic, a person in a body cast...and
one who claimed to have been in a coma!
{J:} Linda, I knew you were helping with that (1984 LaBerge)
information, but I didn't know you still had the data in your
mind.
{Linda:}Ah, come on J., you didn't think I actually had that data
in memory storage, did you? Me??? But I do have a pretty good
filing system. Moon and rising sign in Virgo.
{Q:} If lucidity is something like reading - a thing we can learn
to do - and it does seem it's a learned sort of thing, then why
haven't more people learned?
{Linda:} Lack of motivation. No cultural support. Ergo, if you do
it on your own, it can be quite a bit of work. Adults do not like
to put out energy for something that doesn't have a practical
payoff. If they do, it has to have intrinsic benefit for them,
personally.
Didn't doing something for its own merit go out in the '60s? :-)
{Q:} Does recording your dreams help you obtain lucidity?
{Linda:} When I take advantage of a warmed-up base of energy and
attention to dreams (via recall and recording), then the launch to
lucidity from this higher platform takes less energy than from
ground zero. However, lucidity still requires an extra jolt during
the previous day plus reinforcement during the night.
{Q:} So, how do you get lucid?
{Linda:} In my experience, the success formula for encouraging the
emergence of a lucid dream has three main requirements.
1) The exercise of cognition.
Stephen's MILD does this. But I've observed that to ask "Am I
dreaming?" provokes you to question whether you actually are or
not. As a result, there's an amazing number of false awakenings in
the LaBerge lab. I think it's better to affirm "I am awake"...I am
awake in the waking state...I am awake in the dream. There are
other cognitive approaches to try after you use MILD.
2) The availability of energy.
This is why it's easier to achieve lucidity in the early morning
hours: you've already gone through delta to recuperate from most
of the previous day's toxins.
MILD plus early morning wakings and return to sleep is what I call
"top-down" lucidity. Given my own depression/fatigue bio-
chemistry, this approach is not nearly enough.
My trick is to use "bottom up" lucidity instead. Get the
cooperation of the dreaming self. Energize the dreaming self. Give
her fuel for a rise in consciousness. And her favorite/my favorite
dream activity? Yep, you guessed it. Flying. I incubate flying
dreams.
But, I don't just self-suggest. I nurture my dreaming self by 1)
moving around during the day while thinking about flying and 2)
"feeding" us with flying imagery, via TV, movies, videos.
Flying dreams = movement + imagery.
Then, after some days flying, my dreaming self has enough of an
energy-base, enough gasoline to go lucid. She just might do it
spontaneously. But usually, I still need to add the electric
spark, the cognitive self-suggestion.
3. A dream focus that supports lucidity.
Here's the big bugaboo for most dream groups. You've spent so much
time doing dreamwork on the heavy burdens of life, down in the
dumps, and now, you want to rise to lucidity? Good luck.
For me, dreamwork and lucidity don't mix...until AFTER you are a
skilled lucid dreamer. To go lucid and to do hard psychological
work is too much to ask your novice dreaming self...who is first
of all, your Inner Child. So, forget dreamwork for awhile. Focus
on dreamplay.
And, when I say "dreamplay," I am NOT referring to art therapy on
dreams-of-the-past. I mean focusing on dreams of the type that
Abraham Maslow calls "growth level" or "self-actualization." The
playful, creative, active, humorous, colorful, artistic, musical,
delightful and peak experience dreams. Like singing a flying song
or acting a bird or creating a flying Tarot deck to help INCUBATE
such dreams-of-the-future.
What, you've never had growth level dreams? Make some up. Remember
your dreams of childhood. Listen to group members' dreams. Read
other people's examples. Create a new dream reality.
{Q:} Who Is Abraham Maslow?
{Linda:} A *very* under appreciated American psychologist, who
wrote '60s-80's. Unlike Freud, et. al., who fixated on
psychopathlogy, Maslow claimed that you can't appreciate the human
psyche without including the best case scenario, too. He spent 20
years studying the human optimum.
But in terms of dreams, his most important contribution was the
observation that there is a correlation between a person's dreams
and a person's health (mental health, in particular). I agree: you
can take the "temperature" of your psyche by paying attention to
the content of your dream and comparing it with Maslow's scale of
needs. (Is the dream a cry for love? A worry about safety and
security? A response to indigestion? A blaze of illumination?)
However, in my opinion, looking at a single dream isn't as
important as analyzing a series or group of dreams to determine
your average (which requires keeping a dream journal). Further,
your plateau of development (your average dream rating) can be
raised as you grow towards self-actualization...by nurturing your
dreaming self to greater and greater health and actualization of
her latent potential.
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Maslow's Map
A New System of Dream Classification
Chapter 5: Flying Over the Map
©1999 Linda Lane Magallón
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(Psychologist Abraham Maslow created a scale of needs to describe
the human condition, from basic existence to optimum potential.
The scale can be used to take the temperature of any of your
dreams, but it's especially helpful if you select a repeating
theme from your dream journal for comparison. As an example, I've
used it to classify the sweep of the flying dream.)
For once you have tasted flight
you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward;
for there you have been and there you long to return.
Leonardo Da Vinci
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The wall shimmers as I slip through it. My breezy body ripples
momentarily, caught in the drag of denser molecules. Then the
grasp of gravity releases me altogether and I am free!
Beyond the wall, an inky blackness awaits. I pause and hover.
Because I am awake and aware in dreamspace, I know there is no
danger in this dark. Speckled with pinpricks of light, an infinity
of open space invites me to venture further out. Since I'm lucid,
I remember the goal I suggested to myself before I went to sleep.
I want to cartwheel through the night sky. So I extend my arms
and legs like the man in the Da Vinci circle.
Hands and head first, slowly, I turn over, but wind up just
twisting around. Better to go flying, to get up the sensation of
movement first. I lay out prone in space, in a Superwoman position
and conjure up the feeling of air rushing past my body. A lighted
scene springs up.
I am flying quickly, just a few feet above the surface of the
ocean. Color is happening all around me, bursting through like
some chariot sunrise. Above me, a radiant sky mirrors the vibrant
waters below. Yellows, greens and browns gleam just beneath the
surface of the turquoise sea. Jagged crags of igneous rock poke up
out of the clear, calm waters.
My altitude's low, so low that there could be a danger of
collision. Yet, my direction is being adjusted automatically. I am
swept back and forth, over the waves, past the crags, as if I were
just missing the markers on a ski slope. The wind beats against
my body like a burst of laughter. The brilliance of the light, the
thrill of the ride, impels me to exclaim, "How beautiful! Oh, how
beautiful!"
This experience is too good to keep to myself. "Anyone who wants
to come join me...they're welcome," I say, extending my arms in a
wide gesture. Suddenly, I am soaring over crowds of people seated
on the rocks beneath. "Do you want to fly?" I call. They raise
their hands. "Well, come along," I invite them.
But no one joins me.
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I awoke from this dream, my entire body bathed in the exhilaration
and joy of what I had just experienced. I floated on the feeling
as if I were bobbing on the surface of that beautiful inner sea.
Once again, I had been lucid; awake and aware of dreaming. But
this was a special kind of dream. A flying dream.
More than anything, I wanted to share the experience with other
people. But how, I wasn't sure. So I typed it into my computer.
Several months passed.
The occasion had been a holiday party with my husband's
colleagues. I was talking with a woman across the dining room
table. Our conversation had been stilted and formal, bogged in the
mundanity of academic life. Then I told her that I was collecting
flying dreams. She nodded, rather vaguely, and furrowed her brow,
trying to place my words into some abstract context. Finally, her
eyes lit up. "I had a flying dream once!" she exclaimed.
She leaned forward and related an amazing dream experience. She'd
been zooming like Superwoman, not six feet from the ground, up,
down and around, following the hills and valleys of the earth. It
was all I could do to contain myself from shouting, "Yes, I know
what you mean!" Hand gesturing in graceful movements to describe
her journey, eyes sparkling, voice vibrant, I could tell she was
re-living the event in her mind.
And so was everyone else at the table.
When she finished her story, we all straightened up and shifted
back into our chairs. There was a short silence before anyone
spoke again.
The Power Of The Flying Dream
That's the power of an extraordinary dream. It moves us and we go
along for the ride. The flow of the words, the action, they speak,
engage us. We don't listen stoically when someone else relates the
tale. The story grabs us at the level of emotion and feeling. It
draws us in and pulls us along so that we live the story from the
inside-out. We are audience and yet also participants in the play.
And when we dream such dreams, we do not view from a dispassionate
distance. We enter into the drama. We are the actors, the stars of
the performance. We are dreaming selves, living life in the dream.
But even if we seem to be alone in the dream, we certainly come
together in the retelling of our experiences. I've heard, no, *re-
lived* many types of dreams told me by dreamers. In particular,
flying dreams spark our interest and wonder.
"I was sitting in the hot tub one night," a dreamer told me.
"leaning my head back on the edge. I was looking up in the sky,
trying to find my favorite constellations. And then I just wanted
to *be* up there...to be there with all my heart and body. I just
wanted to propel myself up into the stars. And that night I had a
flying dream."
"Flying is my favorite thing to do!" said another. "It's even
better than sex!" "And I bet you have *lots* of sexual dreams," I
deadpanned. She laughed, delighted. "Yes, I do!"
"I don't fly in my dreams," said a third dreamer. "I levitate.
Once I had a dream where I was with a group of people. We were all
suspended in the air, like statues. Then after a while, we'd shift
our arms and legs into another position. It was like a slow,
dreamy ballet. It was exquisite."
Flying dreams seem to be particularly prone to picture and support
our feelings. They seize us at the level of vision, sensation and
emotion. They stir up some primal instinct common to us all. How
strange that the grounded human species has always had the urge to
fly. To reach and experience a seeming impossible dream.
So when I talk to people, I consistently find the greatest
enthusiasm for the flying dream. It certainly tops the list as
"most enjoyable" in any survey I've ever seen. And yes,
statistically speaking, it even outranks the sexual dream. The
flying dream can certainly be a peak experience type of dream.
It's not the only one, just the most popular.
The Antipode
But the fact is, not every flying dream is a peak experience.
There are flying nightmares, flying disaster and anxiety dreams.
Not everyone loves to soar to the heights; quite a few people fall
instead of fly. Some fail to get off the ground.
The least favorite dream is the traumatic nightmare. It's the one
rated highest in avoidance. The dreaming self runs away or tries
to wake up. The waking ego wants nothing more than to forget the
whole thing. Sometimes it succeeds, but it's most frightening when
it does not.
The low level of consciousness in a nightmare creates an antipode
peak experience. But the nightmare occurs in a state of
consciousness just as focused as the peak experience. In either
state, the rest of the world disappears. One becomes totally
entranced, cut off from earthly knowledge, unable to access the
other memories of being. Getting "lost" in the peaks means you can
become lost in the depths. Fortunately, such experiences are
usually short-lived. The positive type can be enjoyed while they
last. We can act to shift those on the antipode into a higher
gear.
These are the dreams at the extremes. Terror and bliss are at
opposite ends of the emotional spectrum. But because both contain
high concentrations of energy, they can also shift directly from
one to the other, without the intervening stages. When dreamers
count flying dreams as their favorite type of dream, they refer to
controlled flights or being propelled through a lovely environment
accompanied by pleasurable feelings and emotions. But the tides
can quickly turn when the peak experience goes too far, too fast.
"We were having sex," he told me. "It was a very intense
experience. I was really into it. And then I climaxed and suddenly
I was shooting out-of-body into the ends of the universe. I was
really zooming forever. And then I freaked. I thought if I went
too far, I'd never come back. So I slowed down and stopped. And
thenit was like a rubber bandI crashed back into my body. It
really shook my up. I'm scared to go out-of-body again. But I *do*
have flying dreams."
Flying The Map
If I had specialized in flight at the basic level of dreaming, I
would only have recorded dreams like these:
Escaping from danger
Barely rising off the ground
Struggling to fly at a low altitude
Running into telephone wires
Burdened by packages or people
Wearily climbing the air
Treading water or swimming with exhaustion
Pumping my arms up and down, bird style
In fact, for 38 years, I recalled only nightmares. One repeating
theme had me trying to fly away from the outstretched arms of the
Men in Black. However, as I read about, thought about, dreamt
about other sorts of flying, my specialty remained the same, but
my plateau of development shifted upwards. In my dream journals
are also these flying dreams:
Levitating as if I'm rolling around on an invisible skateboard
Flying arms backward, like Isis
Diving into water and up in a swirl
Floating in a yoga position
Sliding atop ocean waves, like an ice skater
Flying on my back, as if carried by the wind
Soaring through the skies, then doing somersaults and flips
Rocketing through space at warp speed, past stars and planets
Suspended upside down above my bed
Dancing in the air with a friend
Flying Range
The flying dream is versatile. It ranges from the agony to the
ecstasy. That's why I find it to be such a great measure of dream
health. Flyinghow well, how high, how often, if at alltracks my
health and well-being. It's my thermometer of weather in the
underground. While the nightmare is a storm warning, other flying
dreams can whisper, "follow me to clear skies ahead." In the long
and short run, it's a guiding star that has served me well.
The Range of Dreams
My dreaming self does not fly in every dream; no one's does. Even
if I were seeking only upbeat dream activities, I certainly
wouldn't limit myself to flying. The land of dreams is rich in
content and experience.
What dream content describes the optimal or detrimental conditions
of your psyche, the basic or growth level dreams? That, you can
only determine by watching your dream tree through all the seasons
of dreaming. Set up your dream journal as a farmer's almanac. By
tracking themes through a series of dreams, you will find those
that indicate problems and those that highlight your potentials.
Whatever criteria you use, the process is the same. Discover what
helps and encourage it. Uncover what hinders and act to change.
There are many images to paint the sweep of your feelings. Your
own psyche will select the pictures that best describe the dreams
you will have. You might choose a repeating theme to serve as your
measure of movement towards emotional maturity and health. Here's
some examples and their suggested range:
1. Water and earth journeys: are you struggling up a mountain or
surfing across the waves?
2. Relationships with dream characters: are you loving or
fighting, trusting or distrusting?
3. Houses, buildings or other boundaries: are you in a shack or a
mansion?
4. Car: do you have a new sports car or a junker?
5. Clothes or body: do you have a torn shirt or strong arms?
6. Ability to speak, job or hobby skills: are you performing to an
applauding audience or forgetting the answer to a test?
7. Weather or environment in the dream setting: are storm clouds
approaching or is it a sunny day?
8. Colors and coherence of dream: are they jumbled images or vivid
hues?
9. Lucidity: are you aware or oblivious?
Eventually, you may find an example of your dream theme at every
level of Maslow's Map, like I did. Below are samples from my dream
log that feature the flying theme. You will notice that basic
level dreams provoked me to do *interpretation,* while growth
level dreams were a form of *inspiration.* One is dreamwork, the
other my dream trek. (And creating this chart was a dreamplay
experience for me!)
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Flying Along Maslow's Scale
BASIC NEEDS
1) Physiological
Dream: A pack of dogs have been chasing a fox. My back pressed
against the side of a house, I levitate above their yappy,
nipping mouths.
Interpretation: Animal-like conflicts drive me up the wall!
2) Safety and Security
Dream: I find Jan at the far end of the courtyard and breathing
heavily. "What's the matter?" I ask her. "My leg!" she replies,
grabbing it. It seems she has pulled a muscle. A large winged
creature suddenly falls on top of me. We fight under the lattice
work. I take off flying over the sea with the creature pursuing
me.
Interpretation: This was a response to a stressful, troubling day.
A co-worker had trouble understanding an assigned task (pun on
"unable to stand").
3) Love and Belongingness
Dream: I'm flying over flower beds, paths and into a drug store. I
land abruptly on the other side of some card racks, saying,
"Ooof!" then fall down. I pick myself up and realize that a
sheriff is looking for me. I try to put plenty of aisles between
him and me. I maneuver to leave the store; he follows. Once out of
the store, I try to fly again, but can only rise to his head
level.
Interpretation: While engaged in phone solicitation by a sheriff's
organization, I cut off the man abruptly, then felt a bit guilty
afterwards.
4) Self Esteem
Dream: A group of reporters demand to know how I can fly. I fly
around the hills surrounding my home, but feel heavy due to the
pull of their expectations and criticisms.
Interpretation: I was worried about an upcoming interview on a
radio talk show.
GROWTH NEEDS
5) Growth and Development
Dream: I bank to the left and soar through the city just above the
roof line, following a cross hatch of city streets. I can see
buildings several stories high, but no skyscrapers. Beyond is a
beautiful, bright colored valley, glowing healthy green. Further
on, I over-fly a marshland dotted with windmills posed to draw
fresh strength from the sky.
Inspiration: After enjoying the aerial view of the dream's
landscape, I wondered if I could take flying lessons.
6) Self-Actualization
Dream: In unison with three or four other peoplemen and womenI
levitate upward and dance in the air. The auditorium has a high
arched ceiling with exposed girders. The audience, which fills the
bleachers, can be seen past the misty spotlight. I smile
delightedly at the audience, lift up my arms and leap even higher.
Standing upright, I swoop around in a circle, like a skater.
Another woman joins me to dance at the same level.
Inspiration: This dream become part of a published article.
7) Peak Experience
I find myself standing at the edge of a bottomless abyss. I decide
to step off the cliff. I skate forward across the top of puffy
whiteness. I can feel the wind stream past my face and the sun's
warmth on my shoulders. The feeling of wonder surges up from
inside, straining to meet the expansiveness of the outer scene. I
fling my arms wide as the feeling inside my body fulfills itself
in ecstasy. The rush of energy brings me to lucidity.
Inspiration: When emotional and sensory fulfillment peaked, I
became aware of the fact that I dreamed.
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I find flying to be a valuable tool from the depths of the
underworld to the heights of the upper world. It's a way out of
the caverns of nightmare, a tool for healing, an exercise in
strength to move over, around, through and beyond trouble spots,
through the prison gates and out into the land of freedom. When I
follow the lure of the flying dream, I'm more apt to experience a
variety of other extraordinary dreams as well. And whatever
supports the growth and development of my dream life feels very
healthy to me.
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The Dangers of the Interpretive Approach
© 2002 Strephon Kaplan-Williams
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So many people do it. I have done it myself.
We interpret other people's actions, their personalities and the
symbols in their dreams. We interpret reality, giving our
viewpoint on how things are for another person.
Yet, there is an issue. What do we do when someone feels they need
help and so goes to consult and expert? They certainly want the
expert to give the knowledge they know. As more than one student
has said to me,
"Why won't you answer my question? You are the dream expert. I am
not the expert here!"
Yes, there is a need to know. In response I and others have tried
to describe for people techniques for working with dreams so that
the dreamer him or herself can come up with the meaning of a
dream. But there are certain ground rules in approaching dreams
and life.
- Never interpret another person's actions or personality.
You will most likely be projecting your own personal content onto
another person. Your personal content is important to you, but why
use another person as your projection mechanism?
Projections onto others do seem to influence, even unconsciously,
those projected upon. The above principle said positively might
run like this.
- Take one hundred percent responsibility for your own feelings
and reactions rather than putting these onto someone else or a
situation or event.
When we take responsibility then we are integrating and making
conscious our content. We are living from ourselves rather than in
projection out onto others. We come to know ourselves as we really
are.
We can project the positive as well as the negative out onto
others.
The task and the commitment here is to commit to always taking
back ones projections onto others and find those dynamics within
oneself.
The interpretive approach to life and dreams starts from a
different viewpoint. The interpreter says to him or herself what I
think about things is also right for others.
Dream symbol books and software are good examples of the
interpretive approach. In this approach the interpreter takes the
symbol out of context as in the following example.
A writer-interpreter says the number 11 means "intuition, mastery,
spirituality."
We must ask, who told her this? Did God speak directly to her
about the meaning of numbers?
As a dream psychologist I suggest that what happens to the
uninitiated when they have the number 11 in a dream or other
symbolic situation and they see some "expert" telling them how
wonderful their number 11 is, then their little ego is going to
get inflated and see itself more important than it is.
Of course writer interpreting about the number 11 is offensive not
only to the psychologist but to the philosopher as well because of
its fallacious thinking.
What does the number 11 mean then?
Far from me to give you an interpretation from God or inflated ego
or esoteric lore. We ask instead,
How does the symbol function?
If you find the number 11 in your dream you can ask yourself, What
happened at age 11? Or, How has the number 11 been important in
your life? This is dreamwork. This is responding to your own dream
yourself and coming up with your own responses.
"Mastery" as in the quote example from the interpreter?
Does this interpreter consider herself a "master?" She does not
seem to lack any reserve in putting out her stuff for everyone to
believe in.
I hate to think how much time is wasted by beginners in believing
in interpretations. Not only wasted time but believing and going
down paths in life not right for one.
The corrective is to throw the interpreters and interpretations
out the window into the garbage heap for re-composting into
something more objective and compassionate for the fellow
journeyer in life.
If you want then to not interpret others or their symbols the
following are suggested as commitments to practice:
1. Develop your own wisdom source from both an objective and an
inner place. Do not rely on other people's opinions for how you
should see things.
2. When someone starts interpreting you or your dream stand up to
them and assert your right to your own experience of your own
dream and life source.
3. Learn to objectify your reality. Try to take in whatever
feedback comes your way as helpful to you to broaden your
viewpoint. Not following interpretations does not mean you simply
close off to feedback. You can handle any feedback if you also are
committed to owning your own reactions to others as your own and
not caused by them.
4. Ask questions rather than give answers. The best guides in life
try to be mostly objective in helping others with questions that
evoke their own wisdom functions and responses.
5. And of course give up gossip, telling stories about others.
Every story we tell about someone else is really a story about
some part of ourselves not fully integrated. At least I have found
this to usually be so.
6. Work with your own life incidents and symbols as your own. Keep
taking back projections onto others. You can know you are in
projection when you have an overly intense positive or negative
emotion concerning someone else or a situation. Ask yourself, what
in me is being evoked and how can I own and deal with that in
myself?
7. Take feedback from others by opening to them in objective ways.
Take in what they have to say about you. Be a non-defensive
personality. Do not withdraw but deal with things coming your way.
Integrate! Integrate! Taking things in does not mean they are
right for you. But open to what feedback can teach you. Do not
reject it out of hand!
8. Commit to living an integrative and conscious life. If you are
already practicing being honest and open with yourself and others,
rather than defensive, then you will be that much more able to
operate in life from your own deepest sources. You might even have
a chance at becoming wise! A wise person I define as one who has
knowledge coming out of direct experience, rather than information
coming from others.
In closing, some of our readers might find some of my statements
as pronouncements of the truth and therefore interpretive for
others.
While I hold to the proposition that each must develop their own
truth function in life I also hold to the practice that to take
objective stands on what is important in life is also one of the
ways of searching for what is real and what is not.
The corrective that I try to practice in stating my insights about
life is that I am open to feedback of whatever kind, and believe
me, there have been some difficult moments as well as fine and
respectful moments. To put myself out in public, as with these
newsletters, requires objectivity on my part to then deal with all
reactions that come my way.
Believe me, I do not close off to any reaction. I do open to the
issues
there and I do respond. Almost all these newsletters are written
in the heat of the moment concerning some issue. So then these
words always come out of immediate and direct experiencing in
interactions with others.
Hopefully these little essays are practices in consciousness and
so have relevance for others as well?
Strephon Kaplan-Williams
Strephon@dreamwork2000.com
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Do Dreams Have Meaning?
Richard Wilkerson
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Do dreams have meaning? Yes, but the question is more difficult
than it first appears.
If you don't want to think about it too much, you can jump to the
end of this text and read the section on "Is the Dream a Message?"
Let's try another question first. Is life itself meaningful?
People debate this issue endlessly without full agreement. Some
are quite sure the answer will always be an opinion rather than a
fact. Others feel it is self-apparent that for those who continue
to choose living, that life is, for a fact, meaningful. Others
don't find the game of fact-finding the most useful way to answer
the question. In other words, everyone has his or her own way of
addressing questions about the meaning of life, and of course, the
many aspects and parts of life as well, including dreams and
dreaming.
Now we could do this democratically and vote :
Are dreams meaningful?
[ ] YES
[ ] NO
...and tally all the results.
But this democratic consensus isn't what people are interested in
when they ask if dreams are meaningful. So what do we mean when we
ask if something has meaning or not? Generally the answer depends
on the ~context~ of the situation.
In the context of science when we ask if dreams are meaningful, it
often means whether or not they function to help us thrive and
survive in some way. Different sciences will approach meaning
differently as each operates under a different story/context. A
psychologist may want to know how the dream works to show a person
a better way to live and experience life, while an anthropologist
may be more interested in how the dream impacts the way people in
a tribe alter or confirm the way they live and interact with one
another. A brain scientist may be more interested in how dreaming
and sleeping contribute to the restoration of our health or
consolidation of our memories and experience.
Artists and writers are more interested in the inspirational
aspects of dreaming and how they can carry the images, novelties
and creative dreaming process over into their own waking processes
and creations.
Spiritual and tribal people are often aware of a different meaning
of a dream, the dream as a message. The message may be from an
ancestor, a spirit or god, or even from one's own soul or
unconscious.
The same dream may have different meanings to all of these people.
Which one is correct, or are they all incorrect in looking for
meaning in a dream that has no meaning?
Many people in the Dream Movement, a loose coalition of
individuals and groups that study and work with dreams, formed the
Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD) in 1984 as a "non-
profit, international, multidisciplinary organization dedicated to
the pure and applied investigation of dreams and dreaming." [1]
The purpose of the organization was many-fold, "to promote an
awareness and appreciation of dreams in both professional and
public arenas; to encourage research into the nature, function,
and significance of dreaming; to advance the application of the
study of dreams; and to provide a forum for the eclectic and
interdisciplinary exchange of ideas and information." [1] The
overall consensus was that dreams have many levels and layers of
meaning, but that the final decision about
just what these
meanings would be had to be left up to the individual. That is,
the individual was to be the final authority on the meaning and
value of his or her own life, and this included one's dreams. [2]
However, just because a bunch of people get together and decide
whether or not something is true, doesn't necessarily make it so
at all levels or for others outside the group. If you doubt this,
look at the disagreements between what things mean to different
religions and the millions of people who die fighting over these
meanings.
This leads us back to the question of what things we think are
meaningful and how they get that way. One way of viewing this
problem-of-meaning is through story-contexts. For some scientists,
science is not about meaning and value at all, its about quantity
and statistics. From this story or context, science can't give an
answer to the question of whether or not dreams are meaningful.
One can't start with a measure that has no meaning in itself and
jump to any conclusions one way or the other about meaning from a
statistic or measure. But science is guided by other stories and
contexts besides statistics.
In biological sciences, the story-context that gives things
meaning is evolution. If something fits into this context, it is
considered meaningful and if it doesn't involve evolution, it is
not considered meaningful. Are dreams advantageous to evolution,
or are they an epiphenomena and functionless appendage like the
appendix or tonsils? Are they essential to the well-being and
continuation of the species and individual, or just something like
poop that we excrete and don't need to attend to for survival and
passing on of genes?
Here are a few areas that science has investigated as to the
functioning of dreams:
Memory consolidation - moving memories from short to long term
memory.
Learning consolidation - organizing things we have learned during
the day
Emotional contextualization - giving context to new emotions.
Clearing networks - cleaning up loaded neural networks.
Protecting Sleep - allowing imagination to spin stories instead of
waking us up each disturbance.
Self Maintenance - to maintain our sense of self through sleep.
Problem solving - to resolve conflicts during the day and find
creative solutions.
Hard-wiring during fetal development, soft wiring of neurons after
birth.
There are scientists who point out that these are theories not
proven facts which are clear as saying the heart pumps blood and
the lungs process air and carbon dioxide. And so the debates and
investigations and research continue. However, like the meaning of
dream-content, the meaning of the dreaming process seems to be
evolving in some ways to the same theoretical acceptance. That is,
the dreaming process has many functions and meanings. Like most of
our organs, dreaming seems to do more than one job. Sometimes the
word "polyvocal" is used to express the notion of the dream having
many voices, or "heterogeneous" to express the notion that dream
come from many sources, are many things and have many parts and
functions, many goals and desires.
But are we getting too far away from the original question of the
meaning of a dream? Usually when this question is asked, it's
about a specific dream, such as "I was waking down an empty hall
and saw an open window," or "I married a woman who turned out to
be my mother," or "I started flying across a vast ocean of alien
creatures." Do these dream images have any meaning? Here the
story-context is different than that of science. Here the question
of meaning is more like "Is there a personal significance to me
that is held in these dream images or story?" Or, "Is something or
someone trying to tell me something through this dream?"
Hard science has yet to adequately address this issue, as there is
now a kind of brain-mind split in research. Hard science studies
the brain and its observable effects. At this time we can't
directly observe the imagination and other subtle forces. Thus the
hard-core dream sciences are left studying only the effects,
impacts and changes that can be observed at this time with our
tools for measuring objectively. However, we also have the
humanities, which can go beyond the brain and objective behavior
to study the mind and its productions.
In Clara Hill's research for example [8], she uses statistics to
compare different non-statistical feelings of meaning. In one
experiment she had three conditions of therapy where people got to
discuss their lives through different story-contexts. One used
their own dream stories and another used their own life-event, and
another used dreams, but they were someone else's dreams. The
clients were encouraged to use these various stories to explore
the meaning and value of their lives, and then rate the
satisfaction they felt in doing this. It was found that exploring
one's life through the lens of one's own personal dreams was far
more satisfying than using someone else's dreams or using a life-
event (usually a problem in one's life).
Critics have noted that it's too big a jump here to say that the
study proves that dreams are meaningful. We can only say that upon
waking, people can ~make~ meaning and give them value, but this
doesn't prove they are intrinsically meaningful. Like a rock on
the ground, they say, it doesn't become meaningful until it's
used.
This seems like a rather strict use of the application of meaning
that almost creates a tautology. That is, if something weren't
meaningful unless a person uses it in a meaningful way, then by
definition, that letter I got yesterday from my mom wouldn't be
meaningful unless I opened it. It is "Conscious use or function"
that seems to be the lurking story-context that is in that kind of
science. However, most scientists are willing to admit that life
has many story-contexts that give life and its parts (like dreams)
meaning and value. One scientist in dream science, Milton Kramer,
MD, has stated that "Anything with structure has meaning," and
that "dreams clearly have structure." [9] Here the story-context
is more inclusive, but perhaps too inclusive. In Kramer's
definition of meaning, a loose rock in a rock pile is meaningful.
It doesn't necessarily get at the question most people want to
know about when they ask if a dream is meaningful or not.
For the greater part of our century, the problem was usually
expressed in the mind/body problem. The body was seen as
material, the mind as non-material. Given this definition, science
had little or nothing to say about how the mind and body might
connect. If the mind was not material, how could it then act on
material bodies? If the body was material, how could it influence
and act on the mind? Therefore science decided to ignore the mind
and study only the body. Some associationalism was admitted. That
is, chains of actions and reactions were observed and assumed to
somehow cross the body-mind barrier. The final result of this in
psychology was Behaviorism, which attempts to look at all behavior
without reference to the mind. However, many 19th and 20th
Century scientists and researchers were not happy with the neglect
of the mind and simply side-stepped the philosophical problem and
looked at ways the mind and brain were influenced by the world and
in turn, influenced the material world.
The great theorist Sigmund Freud [10] attempted to bridge brain
and mind by theorizing that dreams helped protect sleep by
partially covering up disturbances, while letting them blow off a
little steam. Thus we might feel the need to urinate during sleep,
but not strong enough that it would cause damage, so instead of
the mind receiving the message from the brain to wake up and pee,
it instead got the signal that it was already awake and looking
for a bathroom. The dreamer could imagine him/herself urinating
and get some relief from this, thus allowing the body to continue
sleeping until the need to urinate was truly urgent and not just a
little impulse. The same process was then applied to thoughts
about topics and situations in the dreamer's past that might arise
during sleep, especially the ones that the dreamer might keep
repressed when awake.
Swiss analyst Carl G. Jung [11] also tried to bridge the brain-
mind barrier with his theories of dreaming. One of his theories
involved the theory of compensation. Jung felt that during the
daytime, the human mind, especially in Western cultures, was very
willful and often acted in ways that were not conducive to the
maturation of the whole individual. That is, we often decide to
ignore the messages of health and wholeness and "damn the
torpedoes" and "go our own way." This leads to a psychological
imbalance that Jung felt dreams tried to address. During sleep,
the unconscious attempted to address and compensate this daytime
attitude symbolically by finding reconciling symbols that could
hold the rational and irrational together in a way that would
further the development of the dreamer.
However, most psychological dream theories avoid dealing with the
brain-mind connection. Most have story-contexts which don't
necessitate bridging this gap. In psychotherapy, for instance,
its not so important that the dreaming brain seems to be activated
at regular cycles by the brain stem causing rapid eye movements
(REM). But it can be important that the dream produced during this
REM cycle includes a story about the patient finally asking a
clown to smile. The story-context of brain-evolution is superceded
by the story-context of emotional healing. The meaning and value
of a dream then is found in the service of story-context in which
it is told.
But wait, is this saying that the meaning of all dreams is just
relative to the person and his/her story-context? Don't dreams
have a real and true meaning independent of the person that is
trying to impose a meaning on them?
I feel they do, but not in the way we used to think about real and
true meanings. [3]
Tribal Meaning and Value. It used to be that we all lived in
local zones, less globally distributed, and the true meaning and
value of life and its dreams were determined very differently. I
live in a very different world now, but pockets of these
indigenous peoples still exist. At one time, meaning and value
was circulated through one's family and tribe, as well as one's
affiliations. Dream stories were circulated and flowed through
lines of filiations and alliance. That is, one got up during the
night, went to the fire in the village and told whoever was there
what their dream was. The people gathered there used the rules,
the story-context of the their tradition, to extract various
meanings and notice various impacts that the dream produced.
Sometimes these needed to be further told to a specialist, a
village shaman, and sometimes the shaman called in other shamans
to discuss the meaning and value of the dream. The results could
change the flow of goods and people, marriages and other events.
It was if the dreams came up from the night of the bio-cosmic
earth itself, were captured by the tribes, coded, and circulated
among them.
Despotic State Meaning and Value. There was, and at too many
places still exists, yet another form of society that imposes a
particular style of meaning and value, the despotic state. Here
there is a singular center that draws together all the meaning and
value to a central point. The king is one and the earthly servant
of the One. All the codes in the despotic state point to this
singular accumulator and distributor. Everything flows to and from
the Pharaoh, the King, the Despot. All money bears his image or
the god he represents. All primitive codes and laws that
determine the flow of life are overcoded and redirected to flow
through him. The meaning and value of life is rigidly set and any
questioning of this is considered a sin and transgression of his
law. The first thing to know or find out about a dream in this
kind of system is its relationship to the emperor. Does the dream
indicate favor or bad omens? Will there be more money and
children, or illness and poverty? Dreams can no longer be
messages from the gods, as this might challenge the hierarchy and
place the authority for revelation and the flow of goods and ideas
and people beyond the court. But elaborate systems of
interpretation and representation in service of the Pharaoh will
proliferate so that no flow of decoded dreams escapes the empire.
Capital Economy and the Free Market of Meaning and Value. As
Deleuze and Guattari (among others) [6] have pointed out [3]
while capital economy frees us from being stuck with old systems
of meaning and value, it does nothing to provide us with
alternatives. And so we are left to our own devices to encounter
forces that shred egos and personalities to pieces and crumble
empires that have existed for a millennium. Capitalism both
produces this condition of the uncoded and unmediated real and at
the same time constantly constructs artificial territories to ward
it off. We get caught in a system that on one hand removes all
the mediation between things so that the markets are in fact free
flowing, but then has to immediately step in and insert
artificially created mediations, simulation and forces. We are
swamped in a media culture that does its best to keep us from
having to directly encounter anything but a shopping mall. We
watch all our wars on T.V. and do all our trading online. We
haven't a clue to what is real, it seems to us that this is
something that is totally lost and un-recoverable. This is my
society, anyway, here in the West. Only those things which can be
reproduced are considered real. And yet that is just exactly what
is not real. That is just a simulation of reality. Models take
the place of the modeled. Copies take the place of the originals.
As French cultural critic Jean Baudrillard pithily notes, we live
in the time of the simulacrum, copies without originals. We get so
lost, there is no way back to the original. The joke that is made
about Disneyland is not that it's a cover up of reality, but a
cover up that covers up that there is nothing left to cover up.
People leave Disneyland and go to their cars in the parking lot
and think they have moved from the unreal back to the real. What a
farce.
Dreams are made to serve quick analysis that brings people back
into alignment with the culture, to serve to bring the people who
can no longer handle it, the decoded flows, back into conformity
with the capital economy and its needs. Good little job, nuclear
family, and lots of time to watch advertisements for products to
consume.
So fine, if we are all conditioned to see only the meaning and
values that our culture, or some past culture imposes, how can we
get to the really real of the meaning of a dream?
Jungian theorist James Hillman [7] speaks to this issue of true
meaning in dreamwork and creates a bridge to many postmodern
theories in his writing about perspectivism and Archetypal
Psychology. In perspectivism, one is always coming from at least
one or more perspectives. This is the story-context. Even the
belief that one can set aside all perspectives, [as in the
phenomenological epoche of "bracketing-out"] is itself a
perspective. But Hillman is not a relativist, he is an
archetypalist. This means that each perspective we put on to see
and understand the world is not ours, it is just borrowed. And
usually we can't even borrow them, they borrow us. It would be
better to use the word 'possession' than 'borrowed'. Consider how
young lovers see the world. They don't choose to be in love, they
are possessed by this perspective of Eros and more likely than
not, to play out the game of love very unconsciously and without
much control. Depressed individuals also rarely choose their
depression, but are seized by it and dragged down into the
underworld and its perspectives.
So why not seize control of our own perspectives? This too,
Hillman points out, is just another perspective and the world is
full of stories and mythologies that speak to this. In Greece, we
find the myth of Heracles, who could will his way through most
situations. But note what happens when he goes down into the
underworld. He doesn't get it. He starts swinging his club at
phantoms with no effect. Hillman points out that each time we
attempt an interpretation of a dream, we impose upon it a
particular interpretive stance, a particular perspective. The way
around this, he feels, is to stop imposing structures on the dream
images and begin listening to them. Though this too is a
perspective, it is one that includes the dream as valid autonomous
image that is not *our* image but an existing essence in its own
right. When we are asleep we are more aware that we are in the
dream, it is not in us. It is only when we are awake and more
willful that we take on the notion that the dream is in us.
Hillman would rather we see the dream image as living in-between,
in the mundus imaginalis, an imaginal world. This is not an
imaginary world of an individual, but a world that exist somewhat
independent of the individual. This used to be somewhat of a
radical notion, but with the advent of the Internet and the
growing abundance of virtual realities that exist outside of us,
it becomes clearer that there are realms that we participate in,
but do not fully control alone. However, the mundus imaginalis is
not controlled like computer mediated virtual reality where groups
of people contribute somewhat consciously. The mundus imaginalis
is more like the world of Greek gods, inhabited by powers that can
enlighten us, frighten us, and seize control of us through the
parts of our personality that remain forever beyond our control.
It's a realm that we continually live in, but of which we are not
very aware.
The importance for us here is that this view breaks up the mind-
body split into a neo-platonic three way split of 1.
matter/empirics/concrete ---- 2. imaginal/soul/psyche ---- 3.
ideal/abstract/spirit. Psyche in Greek means 'butterfly' and in
this system psyche, like the butterfly, hovers between the
material world and the abstract sky of spirit. It also connects
them. Our minds or imagination interpret the material world and
its relationship with the ideal world. And in the other direction,
we interpret the ideal world and attempt to create it in the
material world though our imagination, our perspectives.
This is also how psyche gets a bad name. She operates by taking
what is and bending it, twisting it, distorting and folding in,
unfolding out. She can fool us and deceive us about the world and
our relationship with it. These same procedures can also create
new perspectives.
But if everything we see and understand is a perspective from this
middle zone, how can we ever escape this hall of mirrors?
Hillman's suggestions to listen to the forces as they manifest to
us can lead us to know more about the realm itself and its
inhabitants, but it also sucks us deeper into the soul. For a
dreamwork that is interested in exploring the soul, this may be
enough. True, Hillman's soul is more a cultural thing, out there
and surrounding us as much as in us. However, for a dreamwork that
wants to connect with the material world, the political world, the
social world, this relation building with images, in or out,
though vital, will not be enough.
Hillman's attack on using dreams as representations of something
other than themselves seems to lead to a kind of theatre of the
unconscious which parades itself through all aspects of life,
dispensing thoughts, feelings and actions to individuals who no
longer can do much but act out the individuation of these powers.
At times, this is exactly what is needed. In dreamwork that
connect image and body, for example, like Gendlin's Focusing or
Arnold Mindell's process psychology, the is an increase in the
fluxion or flow of mind/body/emotions. The dreamworker listens to
his/her images with the ear of the body, and gives voice and
movement to processes that are often blocked. I feel that one of
the keys to this work is the shift from representational work to a
process of making connections. Not singular connection, not
conscious connections, but swarms of connections, multiplicities
of connections, connections that break into the normally rigid
channels and create disjunctive synthesis, connections that are
themselves in-process of making more connections rather than
consolidating territorialized representations.
I feel that many dreamwork programs can get at this real level of
the dream, though their theories cannot, or more accurately, have
not. Freud gave us the technique of free association, for example,
which allows for the images and emotions remembered about the
dream to begin to speak again with polyvocity. And yet, at just
the moment he released the dream image, he again theorized its
meaning back into a pre-assigned object. Free association is seen
as leading backwards up a chain of associations to a singular
cause of the dream. Carl Jung was deeply aware of the many voices
and trajectories of the soul and knew one didn't have to follow up
the chain of associations to get at a profound level. And yet his
techniques to bring people in contact with the polyvocity of life
get overcoded by the project of the integration or alignment of
the Self, a teleological being that guides all the multiple
becomings and thus tends to wreck their true freedom. For these
voices need a complete indetermination, from the future or the
past, to establish legitimate connective syntheses that will
provide novel trajectories.
However, I don't want to fully develop a postmodern dreamwork
here, but rather to investigate the problem with answering the
simple question, "Do dreams have meaning?"
Is the dream a message?
We have learned now that the question is not so simple. When we
ask "What do you mean, when you ask if a dream has meaning?",
several options unfold that make this question difficult to
answer. However, we don't have to be fooled by the legal terms.
When Bill Clinton replied "It depends on what is, is", we all knew
what "is" was, it was sex with Monica Lewinski. And when someone
asks what a dream means, they usually are asking if the dream has
an important message for them. This message usually takes one of
these forms:
Is the dream a message?
A message from the unconscious or psyche or myself-to-myself?
A message from God or a spiritual entity?
A message sent telepathically from a friend or entity?
A message from the future itself?
[Does this dream indicate that I will have something occur like
the dream in real life? It may be an accident, a marriage, or some
good or bad fortune.]
Again, in terms of science, there are no clear answers. Science is
not capable of addressing these questions directly. We can say
through survey research that when we look at dreams as-if they are
messages that this is often a more satisfying way of approaching
dreams than as-if they are without a message. But new, non-
representational dreamwork that works with dreams as a process of
production, and creative expression, and presentation instead of a
message are also valuable ways to work with dreams.
We can ask how often dreams actually do predict the future, but
this answer will vary widely on how literal one is being and how
fixed one feels the future really is after a vision of the future.
For example, a wild, ungrounded guy once told Jung that he had a
dream of falling off a mountain. Jung told him to avoid mountain
climbing. He didn't follow this advice and fell to his death. But
most Jungians feel that Jung was not so much looking at the dream
as a prediction about the future as indicating the trend of this
person to do things which would cause the dreams to show him as
falling, or as an careless type. If the person persists in being
careless, then these are the kinds of things that will occur.
If we take the view that dreams are metaphorically showing us
psychological trends, like being careless, being unkind, being
generous, being skilled, and so on, then we can say that dreams
often predict the future or are a message from the future.
However, if a person is not involved in doing their own
psychological work, then they may become superstitious about
dreams and always worrying about dreams that predict deaths,
accidents and bad luck. They can also be used by people who feel
the need for power. How many of us have had grandmothers or uncles
that claim to see all sorts of bad omens in dreams?
Many contemporary dreamworkers feel that one can benefit best by
taking these dreams as projections, as views we hold unconsciously
about others and don't usually admit, even to ourselves. By "re-
owning" these projections (e.g. "O.K., maybe I do that sometimes
too.") we create a personal space for ourselves that is larger,
more flexible and self-aware.
At the other extreme, we can test for the literal truth of dreams
predicting the future. That is, science has begun investigating
dream psi and the ability of dreams to see the future, to see
distant events at all times, to send and receive messages from
other humans and beings. For several years, the Maimodides Medical
Center in Brooklyn investigated the dream-psi connection. The 50+
published articles are summarized both in a technical monograph
(Ullman and Krippner, 1970) as well as two editions of the popular
book DREAM TELEPATHY with Ullman, Krippners and Vaughn, (1973,
1989). Although it was very hard to replicate these experiments,
the researches found a lot of evidence suggesting that we are more
aware and connected during dreaming to events that have no direct
physical connection to us. Still, the number of "hits" a person
has is either small and few between, or depends on a "wide"
interpretation ("Well, ok, I wasn't dreaming about the target
which was a blue beach ball, but I did dream about the earth as a
globe...").
For those interested in finding out how accurate their own
dreaming might be, the key is to time stamp the dream. The best
way to do this is to post it to a public forum online such as the
ASD Bulletin Board or a Usenet Newsgroup like alt.dreams or
alt.dreams.prophecy
At this time, looking at dreams as messages from God or other
spiritual or divine entities is not something that science has
anything to say about. However, many people find great comfort,
inspiration and value in doing so. Each religion has had its own
struggle with the meaning and value of dreams. They have all had
dream sharing at the beginning of the religion, which is later
suppressed, and then usually recovered at a later time when
hierarchical practice and thinking give way to more liberal
inclusiveness. Modern dreamwork in spiritual traditions usually
combine psychology with spiritual techniques and belief to explore
the divinity of the dream as well as the day to day spiritual
inspiration it may provide. For example, books written by Morton
Kelsey or John Sanford use basic Jungian principles to elaborate a
path for spiritual development Christians. The meaning and value
of the dream is then aligned with the spiritual tradition itself.
And so the answer here as to whether the dream is a divine message
will depend on one's individual or group beliefs and experiences.
The "truth" (that a particular kind of dreamwork is valuable) is
passed by showing, by example, by demonstration, inspiration,
revelation.
This leaves the final category, the view that dreams are a message
from the unconscious, or the psyche, or from oneself to oneself.
Again, it's quite similar to the spiritual path. That is,
psychotherapy for the most part is dependent upon how well the
therapist helps his/her patient or client. Notions of the
unconscious, the self, the ego, the super-ego, the Shadow, and so
on, are useful notions and theories that can't really be tested.
You probably feel that the psychological self that you have is
quite real, but you would have a hard time proving its existence.
This comes from a long philosophical tradition as well, where
psyche is located in time, but not in space. I am going on about
this because I want to show that locating the meaning of a dream
by locating it's author is no easy feat.
The location of the meaning of the dream by locating the author
has a parallel in the history of literary interpretation. In the
beginning, one found the truth of the bible or religious text
through divining the will or intent of its author, the god who
wrote the text. What did God mean by that phrase or this chapter?
With the advent of secularization, there was a shift to the human
author. Find out what the author meant and you will know what the
book means. But over time, people found that there was a surplus
of meaning in texts. That is, people could read books in ways the
author never intended and derive useful meanings. One could read
about Capitalism and Adam Smith from the viewpoint of Marx and
derive from the book much about class struggles that Smith never
intended. Others found that they could read a book in the context
of its times and get meaning from the book the author never
intended, but included as part of the historical context from
which he/she was writing.
Somewhat later more subjective approaches appeared. Here a person
could read and book and derive from it any meaning they wanted,
regardless of what the author intended. By the late 20th Century,
the authority of the author over the meaning and value of his/her
book had radically changed. Some even said the author's intentions
could never be clearly located, even if the author demanded one
meaning for a book.
We are in a somewhat similar situation with the dream. The author,
the ego, the I, the thing that tells me its me when I wake up in
the morning, is more of an imaginal creature than anything else,
and much more multiple than I usually sense myself to be. Ask me
the meaning of my life at one moment, and the answer will be
different than another moment. We say these are just moods and
perspectives of the same-self, but saying this is just a
conventional way to keep the single image of the self together.
Henry Bergson explains how this happens. We hear the tick-tock of
a clock and spatialize the event. Each tic-tock sequence is seen
as the same, ticking out even beats of time. tic-tock, tic-tock,
tic-tock,tic-tock, tic-tock, tic-tock, tic-tock, tic-tock, tic-
tock, tic-tock, tic-tock, tic-tock, tic-tock, tic-tock, tic-tock.
But in fact, each tic and tock are NOT exactly the same, and form
a kind of unique melody that is often beyond our perception.
Still, we hear and expect them as the same and create a grid that
spreads out across the universe. This grid is useful, but an
abstraction of the discreet events. That is, it is produced as
only a part of the event, the abstract part, which is then taken
back into us as a whole. Like a pearl necklace, we see each bead
of time being the same and assume that all of time occurs as
regularly as our abstraction of it. But even further, to string
all these beads together, we assume a being that is OUTSIDE of
this time viewing it all. This second self is quite illusory,
formless, indifferent, unchanging, but holds all the (abstracted)
experiences together and sees them as one. This ego is a symbolic
marker "...intended to recall unceasingly to our consciousness the
artificial character of the process by which the attention places
clean-cut states side-by-side, where actually there is a
continuity which unfolds." [12]
Whatever your view of the self and its contributions to the dream,
the problem of locating its influence remains. Again, it seems
more prudent to use the story-context approach and say that from
the viewpoint of self-influence, the dream may (or may not)
contain a host of meanings that I have somehow given directly or
indirectly. In this way, it doesn't matter so much whether the
self is an imaginal being, a fiction or a real entity. What
matters are what meanings and values unfold when we talk about the
dream as-if it were a message I am relaying to myself. This as-if
perspective can also be applied to other notions of dreams-as-
messages. What happens when we look at dreams as-if they were
messages from the unconscious, from a distant relative, from the
body?
What many dreamworkers find is that they like to know all these
perspective (and continually add more) but that one will be their
main perspective, one will be the most profound for them, one will
move them the most. In this way, the meaning of the meaning of a
dream will be aligned with an individual's values, and yet admit
other voices.
A summary of the ways we might see dreams as meaningful...
Levels of why the recalled dream has meaning:
Existential Level - The dream has meaning because I give it
meaning.
Affective Level - The dream has meaning because it feels
meaningful.
Functional Level - The dream has meaning because it is useful.
Ephiphonic Level - I am overwhelmed by the meaning(s) of the
dream.
Pragmatic Level - The dream is meaningful as the impact it happens
to have.
Autonomous Level - I listen to the dream for the answer about its
meaning.
Spiritual Level - All things have some alignment with the
infinite, including dreams.
Relative Level - Dreams give people more satisfaction than some
other approaches.
Testimonial Level - Dreams are meaningful and valued by many
people.
Note that it is useful at times reverse these hypothesis. One can
do this may ways. Obviously one can use contradiction, such as
applying the existential level to a dream and saying that its is
meaningless because I refuse to give it any meaning. But we can
also maintain that dreams are meaningful and still use reversal.
"A dream is meaningful because I am personally incapable of giving
it meaning, it always alludes and overflows my ability to force
meaning on it." Or a dream is meaningful because it doesn't feel
meaningful, its different than other things in my life and this it
part of its unique quality. The dream is meaningful because it is
useless and can't be commodified and used by the ego like other
objects in its power and control. And so on. Productive reversal
allows for new voices surrounding the dream image to emerge.
It is almost as though we should say that dreams are overloaded
with meaning rather than lacking in meaning. Or more accurately,
that dreams, by not being perfectly clear in their meaning to us
upon first inspection, offer us the opportunity to explore a wide
range of meanings and value not offered by instant clarity and
understanding. It is as though dreams are the process of meaning
itself. In their state of being not-yet complete as objects, they
are complete as moving processes. Metaphors in motion, as
Montague Ullman has said.13 Fluidic processes before the closure
of full representation has territorialized and coded the meaning
and value of the event. Just slightly ahead of being represented
and turned into a slave as a representative, before being
spatialized and abstracted across a grid of equal portions and
statistical curves. Tickity-tocklolog, tilocity, ocity, ibility-
nock, trumble, tic-tockity, smock.
- Richard Wilkerson
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Footnotes, Bibliography and Citations
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1. The Association for the Study of Dreams Mission Statement.
Available online http://www.asdreams.org/idx_aboutus.htm
2. The ASD Dreamwork Ethics Guideline. Available online
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3. Deleuze, Gilles and Guattari, Felix ( ). Anti-Oedipus.
4. Baudrillard, Jean (1984). Simulacra and Simulations. trans. by
Sheila Faria Glaser. The University of Michigan Press
5. Wittgenstein, Ludwig, (1963) Philosophical Investigations,
translated by G.E.M. Anscombe. Basil Blackwell: Oxford.
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of Late Capitalism. Durham: Duke University Press.
7. Hillman, James ( ). Dreams and the Underworld.
8. Hill, Clara E. et. al. (1993). Are the Effects of Dream
Interpretation on Session Quality, Insight, and Emotions Due to
the Dream Itself, to Projection, or to the Interpretation Process?
Dreaming, (3)4, 1993 {Clara E. Hill, [1] Roberta Diemer, Shirley
Hess, Ann Hillyer, and Robyn Seeman}
9. Kramer, Milton (1993). Private Conversation at the 1993 Santa
Fe conference of the Association for the Study of Dreams.
10. Freud, Sigmund. (1965; first published 1900). The
Interpretation of Dreams. James Strachey (Trans.). New York: Avon
Books.
11. Jung, C. G. (1971). The Collected Works, R. F. C. Hull (trans)
Princeton: Princeton University Press.
12. Bergson, Henry (1998/1911). Creative Evolution. (trans. Arthur
Mitchell, Ph.D.). Mineola, NE: Dover Publications, Inc. Quote
from page 3.
13. Ullman, M. Dreaming as metaphor in motion. Archives of General
Psychiatry, 1969, Vol. 21, 696-703.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 421
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. intimate mind
From: : stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@etherways.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:47:01 -0800
From: : stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@etherways.com>
Subject: intimate mind
DATE : 21 mar 2002 04:33 DREAM : intimate mind
=( yesterday, i woke up for the first time in two weeks feeling
like i had slept and rested. i am mostly finished with the
pneumonia that has been going around my university. i heard
several times each day of someone who has had it recently. it was
the last day of lab work for this group of navy sailors who will
return to the fleet this weekend. i was glad to be feeling well
enough at last, and their work was finished around noon. most of
the afternoon i just slept, catching up from the sickness. in the
evening i was able to finally prepare something to eat and went to
bed early, still getting tired easily. i went to sleep around
22:30 without much difficulty. )=
the moonlight dapples across her smooth olive skin as she looks at
me without saying a word, without a pause in her deep regular
breathing. i smile when i see her look at me. the dark eyes of a
greek woman are easy to get lost in, but her frank stare is not
seductive and does not carry any hint of invitation.
she is shorter than me by thirty five or forty centimeters, but it
is not size that is the question here. her dark hair is cut clean
short, a little longer than bristle length but not by much. not a
word has been said between us, yet the night is slowly passing and
she is communicating to me volumes of intention with crystal
clarity.
i am not exactly a student here, having completed my dissertation
thesis. this is my first introduction to scholarship beyond the
boundaries of accepted knowledge. only a few individuals
worldwide get the opportunity to work in this frontier region of
mental activity. my mentors at the university had hoped that i
could be accepted by the rare illuminati who labor in these areas.
the first hurdle is that of language. traditionally prime
expression is refined into greek. it has always been so merely
because education was originally developed in that culture and
there is no need to translate beyond that. my problem is that
greek is not a language that i have mastered. my dissertation
used a form of calculus to express its thoughts, and today
scholars are attempting to use math as a purer form of knowledge
than the traditional language. it is not clear that some elements
of human experience will not lose something tangible when
translated from a cultural native language to a pure mathematic.
this, my introduction to the higher realms of scholarship, is an
attempt to assess if this translation is feasible at all.
so far, i seem to be understanding the simple postulates. the
greek woman moves her eyebrow or tilts her head slightly and i
follow her through thesis, hypothesis, lemma and corollary. proof
mechanics are never that difficult until the logic starts to
cascade. in math we understand this with quadratics and
polynomials, unfortunately there is no general solution for these
that guarantee a completion. i just have to follow on and see if
we come to the same conclusion at the end.
time in the real world is moving along in a smooth flow, but here
while engaged in this mind lock, it seems to slip and jump ahead
episodically. hints of dawn suddenly seem to spurt across horizon.
her thoughts have formed an object that i can see now. it is a
cluster of metal rods, maybe twenty six of them, that radiate out
in a vertical plane from a common source in her mind. each rod
seems to weigh exactly nothing and are less than a meter in
length. the whole starburst cluster rotates just slightly on its
vertical axis. i do not apprehend what this configuration means,
but i can see it as she has projected it, and that seems to be
enough for now.
the first ray of sunlight slants across the meadow we are standing
in, a stripe of greens and browns where there had been only grays
and darks. dawn brings to an end our efforts. the whole night we
have been close to each other, but never actually touching or
saying anything. as day brings into focus the various campus
buildings and structures of academia around us, i stretch and
smile at my companion. we seem neither weary nor cramped from
efforts.
"i must go to start a class soon." she tells me. it is the first
thing spoken since we were introduced early last night. i can
tell that she is pleased with the result of this experience. we
will try again and perhaps someday soon know if the frantic
acquisition of new world knowledge can be completely compatible
with the old traditional structures.
i am reluctant to leave after what we have shared in the night.
it feels like an incredible intimacy to be so close for so long,
but i suppose that may just be my newness to the experience. i am
rather old to be starting this level of scholarship for the first
time. the greek woman i am staring at fondly is much younger than
me, yet she is reputed to be the best academic for many years.
i would like to share breakfast with her, just a human convention,
but i know it is too late. the day is full bright now and we must
be off about our obligations and responsibilities. she turns to
leave, but looks back just long to engage my eyes in hers again.
there is a promise in them that we can meet later after her class
work and then we can speak as people commonly do.
=( there was a lot more of this dream when i woke at 03:20. i
went immediately into an extended coughing fit until i finally got
my throat cleared. the greek woman who i was so intimate with
during the night does show up at my house across town, but only
briefly so. i am not very welcome in my home any more as my
estranged wife, sheila, is doing everything she can to personalize
the place to herself and push me out. then there was a long
sequence of me leaving the uncomfortable house and seeking new
living quarters somewhere else in town. at one point i sang part
of an italian opera in full tenor voice. all of these dream
segments were richly detailed in ornate features which have
slipped away from me now. this is sad for me as i enjoyed them
once i got clear of the influence of being unwanted in my home
which i tried to resist, but without success. i do not know the
name of the greek woman, but i may have known it at the time. we
said next to nothing to each other with words, so names did not
come into it very often if at all. she certainly had a exotic,
even erotic effect on me, but it seemed to have nothing to do with
sex as people understand it if that makes any sense. )=
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 422
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. dead buss driver
From: Anonymous
2. Re: intimate mind
From: Heratheta
3. Re: dead buss driver
From: Heratheta
4. Pregnancy
From: Anonymous
5. Re: Pregnancy
From: mara flynn <maramflynn
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:45:53 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: dead buss driver
dream_title: dead bus driver
dream_date: 4-1-02
dreamer_name: scared man
dream_text: The dream keeps haunting me. I am riding on a bus
withe just my family heading down a familiar road and It is the
middle of the day and when there in a call on his radio to go to
a searten stop he just sits there. We (the family and I) try to
talk to him he ignores us. then my dad (i'm 11 years old) tries
to shake him and soon as he touches him he fall over and we see a
bomb with 10 seconds to go. then we all jump out and run except
my dad he drives the buss away and boom. That is when I wake up
each time ( I had this dream 9 times)
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:21:38 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: intimate mind
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:24:37 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: dead buss driver
peace had lain to the right of the bus driver if you had avoided
"just".
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:26:33 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Pregnancy
dream_title: Pregnancy
dream_date: 3/11/01-present
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I've been having the same dream every nite for a long
time now. First it started of with a strange women being pregnant
then later on it turned into a friend of mine. As the nights went
on I started dreaming that my sister was pregnet then it turned
into my mother and now i'm having the same dream but its me whose
pregnet now...i know i'm not pregnet but i want to know what this
dream means because i keep having it everynite for a long time
now...(I checked with everyone i know and no one is pregnant)
dream_comments: Is there a possibility that my dream is telling me
that i might become pregnant?
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:04:18 -0800 (PST)
From: mara flynn <maramflynn
Subject: Re: Pregnancy
Hi: if it were my dream, dreams of pregnancy always bring a
novelty, a transformation in my current status. The fact that I
see my friends and my relatives pregnant may indicate that we are
undergoing a change together or that we influence each other a
great deal. Perhaps this dream also predicts a real pregnancy.
Good luck. Mara "Wilkerson, Richard" <rcwilk@dreamgate.com>
wrote: dream_title: Pregnancy
dream_date: 3/11/01-present
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I've been having the same dream every nite for a long
time now. First it started of with a strange women being pregnant
then later on it turned into a friend of mine. As the nights went
on I started dreaming that my sister was pregnet then it turned
into my mother and now i'm having the same dream but its me whose
pregnet now...i know i'm not pregnet but i want to know what this
dream means because i keep having it everynite for a long time
now...(I checked with everyone i know and no one is pregnant)
dream_comments: Is there a possibility that my dream is telling me
that i might become pregnant?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 423
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Terrorist Dream
From: Anonymous
2. evil spirts
From: Anonymous
3. 9/10
From: Anonymous
4. The Crucifixion
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:09:01 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Terrorist Dream
dream_title: Terrorist Dream
dream_date: 032202
dreamer_name: earlydawn
dream_text: I was working at my "dream" job, the job I've always
dreamed of. I was happy, it was a big company, we were working
well together. There was an alarm and we were notified there was
a bomb threat in the building. So we all filed outside and they
checked but there was no bomb. So we went back inside and were
working again. The alarm went off again, and we were told to go
outside. This time I was all alone and walking down some stairs
to a huge lobby. I noticed the floor was made of tile and that a
little area of the tile had been dug and replaced recently. And
I knew that's where the bomb was. I looked up and saw a man
sitting all alone on a bench, he looked like what you would
typically think a terrorist would look like. I started to run,
but I turned to look to see if he was behind me. He was a ways
back, he pulled out a gun with a silencer and shot me right
between the eyes and I was dead. Then the bomb exploded. And I
woke up.
dream_comments: This dream was very upsetting to me, I rarely ever
have violent dreams. But I firmly believe it is not about the
obvious. Yeah, we had Sept. 11th, but I have not been very
worried. We live in a very small town and I have had little
exposure to any upsetting events involving terrorism, except what
I saw on TV. Yeah, it upset me at the time (like everyone), but
I thought I dealt with it and do have some peace of mind about
it. Sidenote - I have been diagnosed with depression and many of
my "dreams" have not come to fruition. I think that may be part
of the story.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:12:10 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: evil spirts
dream_title: evil spirts
dream_date: 2 days a go
dreamer_name: evil spirt
dream_text: i had a dream of a execisem one night and the evil
spirt thorw me a gents a wall
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:13:35 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: 9/10
dream_title: 9/10
dream_date: 9/10
dreamer_name: chrise
dream_text: the day before the 9/11 attack, i had a dreaam this is
very much true, i told people the day it happened 9/10 in my
dream i was i the city and something in my dreams told me there
will be 2 exsplosion,(sorry about my spelling)when the first on
hit, i remember crouching down in a corner of a shop, then the
second on hit, i remember thing's falling all around me and i got
up to run, there was a cloud of dust to where i had a hard time
seeing, and i remember that i could not breath because of all the
smoke, now again believe me or not, but this did happen, and there
are people here around me that can prove this
dream_comments: the next day, i didn't find out what my dream
ment, i live far from ground zero, i am in california,
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:14:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Crucifixion
dream_title: The Crucifixion
dream_date: 3/19/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was in biblical times and was at the crucifixion. I
was all alone and the sky was beginning to darken. Jesus was on
the cross yelling and screaming at me in a foreign language(I
believe it was hebrew). It all faded to blakness.
dream_comments: I have been labeled a nutcase as I have had mnay
visions and dreamns of Jesus and others.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 424
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There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Crucifixion
From: "Denise
2. Death in the Snow
From: Anonymous
3. "The Picnic"
From: Anonymous
4. alligators
From: Anonymous
5. Clutch
From: Anonymous
6. Fire in homes
From: Anonymous
7. New Dream
From: Anonymous
8. DENTISTE
From: Anonymous
9. manoj bhatnagar
From: Anonymous
10. broken teeth
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:12:56 -0600
From: "Denise
Subject: Re: The Crucifixion
Don't listen to those who "label {you} a nutcase" because of your
dreams! Only you, in your deep unconscious, know why certain
figures appear to you. Jesus is a central figure in our culture,
and his appearance in a dream should not surprise anyone. I have
not encountered Jesus in my dreams, but I have encountered angels.
If something or someone recurs often in your dreams, it's a good
idea to ask the dream why this is happening. Meditate on it as you
fall asleep and try to carry the question into your sleep with
you. You may be surprised at how clear the answer will be!
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:02:39 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Death in the Snow
dream_title: Death in the Snow
dream_date: repeated
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: Sometimes I dream that I am hiding from Nazi storm
troopers. The dreams usually take place in late
winter...cold,damp and miserable. I usually run and hid in a deep
forest, but sometimes I hide in an abandoned barn. The dreams
usually ended with me falling through the ice on a frozen river.
dream_comments: I was born in 1974.My knowledge of WWII is
restricted to history classes and the war movies that my father
has a passion for (though I personally detest them).
Nevertheless, these dreams are excruciatingly vivid and 'real'.I
HATE THE COLD!!!
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:18:03 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: "The Picnic"
dream_title: "The Picnic"
dream_date: March 14, 2002
dreamer_name: dreamer31
dream_text: I was going to a picnic. I remember walking a couple
of blocks were I saw "The Bronx Zoo" sign. It was in the front
and there were people dressed in tiger suits and dancing in the
front of the sign. I remember going over there and I didn't have
a costume to wear. One of the people said that there was an extra
one there. I remember trying on the costume and the colors were
black and orange and the gloves were purple. I don't know if they
fit around my hand or if they were regular gloves that fit. The
dream seemed to take place when it was twilight outside.
dream_comments: I have no idea what it means. I am currently going
to college now so I don't know if it has any bearing on that.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:19:46 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: alligators
dream_title: alligators
dream_date: forgot
dreamer_name: libraphead
dream_text: i realized i was in the middle of the everglades
following the only road there. it was just me and my brother's
mongoose blue bike. as i drove down the only visible road, i see
the swampy waters drenched with alligators lurking in the dark
waters. then my brother's bike broke... the wheel wouldnt move
anymore.i tried to make it move, but before i made an attempt, i
see an alligator crawling towards me.i see it aiming for the back
tire of the bike, which gave me time to run away from it. next
thing i know, i ran into this white efficiency-sized room and
inside it there was a dark pool in the middle of it, and the only
solid ground i had was a sidewalk around the pool. in that pool,
i had this feeling it lurked with alligators, so i quietely
walked around the sidewalk trying to look for an exit door. i
reached the door and the coast was clear.... no alligators. then
out of
nowhere...... i woke up.
dream_comments: i just want to know what in tarnation was that all
about.and i would like my real name: jessie fernandez
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:18:32 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Clutch
dreamer_name: Clutch
dream_text: I had a dream that I was standing by my computer and I
had sex with a guy, then we switched places and I let him do me.
dream_comments: I'm a guy, and I'm not gay, so what does this
mean?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:21:51 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Fire in homes
dream_title: Fire in homes
dream_date: 3/21/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was walking along a path with houses on both sides.
I see a fire starting in a top floor deck. the person there does
not seem to be bothered that the fire started. Then another
building has started to burn. Soon many building are burning, I
wake up.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:19:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
dream_title: TREE
dream_date: 16/03/2002
dreamer_name: EAGLE
dream_text: I HAVE CLIMBED UP A TREE AND FOUND MY SELF SLEPT ON
THAT TREE. HOWEVER, I COULD NOT MOVE IN TO ITHER DIRECTION, LEFT
OR RIGHT, BECUASE DOING THAT COULD HAVE LEFT ME FALLEN DOWM FROM
THE TREE.
dream_comments: .Please use my e-mail (email not given - editor)
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:22:13 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: DENTISTE
dream_title: DENTISTE
dream_date: 24/03/02 (NIGHT)
dreamer_name: ELISHEVA
dream_text: I LOOSE MY TEETH (MY SISTER CACHT THEM) AND I AM
LOOKING FOR A DENTISTE BUT I DON'T FINT ONE WHO MAKES ME FEEL
SAFE
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:22:43 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: manoj bhatnagar
dream_title: manoj bhatnagar
dream_date: 25 march 2002
dreamer_name: Manoj
dream_text: I had a dream early this morning betwen 3-4 I dreamt
that I was cleaning the rug( carpet on the floor) with a broom.
And as I used to stroke with the broom to clean the carpet, I
could see the currency coins coming out from the rug and rolling
on the floor. It happended with every move of my broom pushing
them with the broom to collect but i woke up in the mean time. I
have been planning to Visit California, May be in May 2002
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:23:06 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: broken teeth
dream_title: broken teeth
dream_date: almost every night
dreamer_name: gumby
dream_text: I'm running from people with no eyes. They chase me
through town or the woods. When i'm running i can't keep my eyes
open, and i run into stuff. Every time i run into something i
spit out pieces of my crummbled up teeth until i don't have any
teeth left.
dream_comments: I had this dream often when i was commuting to
college my first year. During the commute i would often fall
asleep while driving.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 425
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. space travel
From: Anonymous
2. Mind Cipher.
From: Anonymous
3. Re: snakes chasing me
From: wendy
4. everynie
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:29:26 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: space travel
dream_title: space travel
dream_date: march 27/02
dreamer_name: Towering Diva
dream_text: I was in charge of a herd of baby birds, chicks i
think. I came home to find my mother working away at some
invention. It was very make shift but she claimed that it was a
space machine. So, I am the first one to get tied into this
chaotic and within minutes i am in space, looking down at the
world from some very small planet or landing pod.I kept having to
round up the chickadees and strap them into the space machine to
go back to earth. I remember feeling as though we had created
something soo incredible and was going to shake the human race. A
step forward for the everyday man.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:52:50 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Mind Cipher.
dream_date: 27.03.02
dreamer_name: e
dream_text: I'm talking to Justin (my ex who is the father of
Cipher), Cipher is there too we are on my bed Cipher is
gurgling away being his happy little self. I nice to Justin, I'm
not me, I'm pretending to be OK.
Then I tell him I am upset that he did not contact me on Tuesday
about not being available to mind Cipher. He turns around and
says "So what, I don't care" So I tell him he can no longer mind
him on Tuesdays. He gets up and goes toward the door (it's the
house I grew up in) Two girls are there, his two girl friends.
He dares them to roll down the hill rolled up in a turf of grass
then goes away (out the door into the darkness)
The two girls: One is blonde, one is asian with glaring lipstick
hot pink, I get angry at the asian one - she's jeering at me.
From this point on, I only watch what is happening.
The asian girl gets herself rolled up in the turf and starts
rolling down the hill. (It's daylight outside now!) The blonde
girl starts telling her not to because of the danger, she is
terrified when the turf/girl starts rolling down the hill (it's
on a sidewalk) it's very steep. The asian girl is thrilled,
she's having a lot of fun, laughing. (I think she's pretending to
have fun
.)she gets to a point in the hill that levels out and she
slows down, suddenly, two men appear and pick her up and put her
in an OTTO bin. She's screaming, afraid, asking for mercy. They
ignore her and push the bin down the hill. She's screaming. The
blonde girl watching is screaming. I'm screaming.
The bin goes down the hill
it hits a truck and she gets throw in
the air - something is implied that she gets terribly mutilated
while in the air. The truck is full of heads (ceramic ones) and
her decapitated head lands next to these heads.
This is outside a house. A man is looking at a newspaper article
about a parasitic disease. He sees the woman's head and thinks
of his daughter. Suddenly he realises she might be in danger.
He gets in his car and speeds home. His house is on a steep
hill, he parks his car (he has trouble finding a spot) and runs
inside to see his daughter having sex with her boyfriend. He has
given her the parasitic disease, but he sees no wrong in it, he
says the parasite only lives for 10 years anyway. She seems
satisfied with his excuse and is happy again so he won't be
upset. Her father isn't fooled he's infuriated.
End of dream, mum woke me up.
dream_comments: Warning on pretending to be enjoy danger to
appease another. Don't obey blindly. Look after yourself.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:38:42 -0800 (PST)
From: wendy
Subject: Re: snakes chasing me
I still don't know what this means can someone help me??
I was with me brother we were walking up the drive > way > toward
our house (but it wasn't our house) i heard a > ratteling sound as
my brother went to reach for the > door a red and black striped
snake popped up from > the > ground and pounced at him. > > I
turned to run away looking behind me and there was > a > yellow
with white stripes with a catfish head snake > chasing me. > > I
ran across the street and turned around and out of > the bush a
two headed green and black striped snake > pounced at me. >
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Earthquake
From: Anonymous
2. I keep dying..
From: Anonymous
3. Re: I keep dying..
From: wendy frazetti <wfrazetti
4. boyfriend
From: Anonymous
5. Flash Flood
From: Anonymous
6. The End of the World
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:53:38 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Earthquake
dream_title: Earthquake
dream_date: 3/27/2002
dreamer_name: Jonas Reich <morphpuppy@yahoo.com>
dream_text: I saw large virtual computerized evening news board.
My favorite sports anchor was showing the world news. Different
areas of the world were being shown, then highlighted in red and
zoomed in on. The world map was zoomed and India was highlighted
in red. There was a substantial earthquake in India reported by
the newscaster.
(Other areas of the world were highlighted and news spoken, but
fading from recall. This news broadcast seemed very futuristic.)
dream_comments: Please use my Real Name Please use my e-mail
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:01:59 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: I keep dying..
dream_title: I keep dying...
dream_date: Reoccurring
dreamer_name: Robin
dream_text: I keep having a reoccurring dream that I am dying. I
never die in the same way. Once my father killed me, I died in a
car crash, my home was bombed while I was asleep, etc. I don't
understand what It means... and It freaks me out, because I'll
wake up panting, out of breath and so scared.
dream_comments: It is so scary. I hope it doesn't mean i'm going
to die!
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:50:01 -0800 (PST)
From: wendy
Subject: Re: I keep dying..
what keeps happing in these dreams? i mean detail wise. is there
anything significant about them. It may have a different meaning.
Think of each dream and what is in common with them. how do you
die? what are you wearing? what is everyone saying?etc..
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. red horses
From: Anonymous
2. Phil Collins and the Secret Society of Women
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:08:43 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: red horses
dream_title: red horses
dream_date: not sure
dreamer_name: mam mix alot 1 (e-mail address)
dream_text: there are millions of red bowls filled with upside
down nails and dead red stuffed horses,there are also locked
windows all around
dream_comments: please use my e-mail address
(editor - no email address given?)
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:09:04 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Phil Collins and the Secret Society of Women
dream_title: Phil Collins and the Secret Society of Women
dream_date: 3/28/02
dreamer_name: Fawn
dream_text: I am in a small bar with the friend of a freind, known
for bad alchoholic behavior. I am surfing the web there and she
messes up my whole search pushing the wrong buttons. Phil
Collings comes in and sets up to play with his band. He is
laughing drunkenly with the friend of a freind, and sticks me in
the nose with a needle. He treats it as a joke. It is painful,
but I laugh about it, not wanting to offend a rock star. Then, my
boyfriend and I are climbing this old rickety wooden stair case.
It goes up and then down and then up again, like one of those
ladders that can be bent for use as a scaffold. It is scary to
me, and I have to be pushed, prodded and helped to make it over
the tall rambling stair case. It has chicken wire on it too.
Finally, we end up in this old house with many floors. The house
is full of women of every shape, size ,color and age. My boyfriend
is the only man there, and he is accepted, but warily. It is
some sort of secret society of women. The leader is middle aged
and somwhat heavy. She is a photographer and loves to take artsy
nude pictures of women. She is wearing a filmy red negligee. The
pictures aren't meant to be purely sexual (she shows me some) it
is also a spiritual experience to be part of the process. All of
the women are smiling, happy, peaceful. I go to the bathroom.
Somone walks in on me and it takes a few minutes to convince her
that I need privacy. I look down at myself, and am surprised to
see that I have a thick mop of of chestnutt brown, shiny,
perfectly groomed luxurious pubic hair. When the phone wakes me
up, I feel sad that the last part is only a dream, so I must have
been happy about the hair within the dream.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 428
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Death
From: Anonymous
2. It's not coming
From: Anonymous
3. strange
From: Anonymous
4. well i saw god
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:28:53 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Death
dream_title: Death
dream_date: March 8,2002
dreamer_name: Some Girl
dream_text: I dreamed that I won a skateboard competition. Some
reporter asked if I ever rubbed in someone's face that I was
better than them. I said,"No, but maybe just this once." I was of
cource only kidding. Some people saw me on tv and they decided to
kill me!!! They chased me and when they finally caught me they
wanted to chop my head off.I said, "Isn't there a commandment
that says Thou Shalt Not Kill?" They said that they didn't care
what God said.
dream_comments: I don't even know why they are trying to kill me.
And why would they go against what God says.I don't even
skateboard!
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:58:45 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: It's not coming
dream_title: It's not coming
dream_date: 2/02
dreamer_name: Bonney
dream_text: I had a dream one night during my pregnancy that I was
going into Labor. Well that wouldn't be so odd but I was in the
delivery room and was pushing. The head started crowning and from
there the contractions stopped and labor was not progressing so
they sent me home and told me to come back if I started again. So
there I am sitting in a chair with part of my baby's head sticking
out. and on top of that when I was in labor the dr. got hungary
and I was crowning and he all the sudden decided to go get a bag
of chips to eat. It was the nurses that sent me home.
dream_comments: I am still pregnant...only a few more weeks to go.
I would like to know what this all means.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:59:04 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: strange
dream_title: strange
dream_date: 22/03/02
dreamer_name: dreamer
dream_text: it was very strange and it came for three days
regularly and it was like very starnge like how can i see the
same guy and the same dream three days regulary cuz my day is
very normal everyday nothing unusuall happens with me so it was
starnge like that guy looking at me and then i saw i am on a
hilly mountain where i ever havent been but it felt like that i
had been there (in the dream) cuz when i ran away from that guy
when he started following me i knew the places where to go so it
was starnge
dream_comments: i ve got nothing to say on my dream cuz it was
very strange all i can say like i felt very diff after seeing
this dream i guess thats it
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:59:25 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: well i saw god
dream_title: well i saw god
dream_date: 16/12/99
dreamer_name: dreamer
dream_text: well it was very long ago i saw this dream it was like
i saw a horse and the place where i live and an old woman who
told me some very starnge words which she told me like these
words if u use in anything u want ull get it and it was like
strange cuz i saw the horse right up on the fifth floor and 80 yr
old woman on the floor saying these words to me like they were i
dont remeber it properly but it was like three names of lord
krishna thats all i remember
dream_comments: well i got scare on this dream like how can it be
a horse on the fifth floor funny and an old lady tellin me the
names of god yeah it was strange
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 429
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Moving into Mickey Mouse's House
From: Anonymous
2. Vault of Caskets
From: Anonymous
3. Trapped in Computerland
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:49:24 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Moving into Mickey Mouse's House
dream_title: Moving into Mickey Mouse's House
dream_date: 9/15/00
dreamer_name: Heather
dream_text: I bought Mickey Mouse's house for my family and I to
move into. The house was black with Mickey Mouse jack-in-the-
boxes all over. The jack-in-the-boxes were purple, blue, yellow,
green, and red.
dream_comments: This was my most memorable dream I have ever had.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:49:51 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Vault of Caskets
dream_title: Vault of Caskets
dream_date: 03/31/02
dreamer_name: Letisha
dream_text: Hello Everyone- I always have the weirdest dreams but
this one was somewhat unordinary so I really feel there is some
type of meaning behind it. Can anyone give me their opinion or
"interpretation" about my dream? Here goes the dream...(It's
long)
I was moving into my Mother's home after her funeral. I was just
starting to get a feel of the place being mine and then I heard
this loud scraping in the hallway leading to all the back
bedrooms. So, I get to the noises and look down and there are
these little figurines( a different variety) staring up at me.
They were welcoming me into the home and I got the feeling they
were going to be my friends. I wasn't freaked, just felt safe.
So, time passed on and I was enjoying my new home. I decided after
all the unpacking, I would stay in my brother's old room. I
noticed my mother had redecorated it to a gold and maroon(velvet)
fashion box. It was very trendy and had a very large bed in the
middle of the room. This room was above the vault that we buried
my father, mother, grandmother, one of my brother's toddler
daughters, and some white guy with dark black hair. So there were
5 caskets in this vault which was under my brother's old bed. I
was nervous about the room, but I wanted to stay in that room. So
I decided I would re-decorate it to put my touch on it...then I
heard the scraping noises again. When I went out into the
hallway, the figurines were looking up at me and I got the
feeling they were trying to tell me about the vault of caskets.
So, I went back into my brother's old room and raised the bed and
looked down into the vault. Nothing looked wrong except for the
cement floor of vault starting to crack. I immediately called my
brother to ask if he knew about it, he said no, but was coming to
see about it. My brother arrived and said that we should call the
funeral home because he didn't think the white guy belonged in
the vault. He wasn't our family or friend...we did not know him.
So the undertakers arrived and I couldn't help to notice how
nicely dressed they were and how soft their hands were when shook
hands. I began to compliment them on it and we started flirting
with each other. As the meeting went on, they informed me and my
brother that the white guy was my mom's friend(not boyfriend) and
while she was alive, had him buried in the vault because he did
not have any burial insurance. So we decided to honor my mother's
wishes and keep the man there. The undertakers decided they would
check out the vault and noticed an odor. The white guy was
cleaned up correctly when he died...so they had to redo him(I
don't know how to word that part) After that, the undertakers
were going to charge us $650.00 for the services. I was refusing
to pay because they should have done it rignt the first time, but
my brother decided to pay....and this is when I woke up.
I know this is a wierd dream- my mom is still alive, my mom does
not have a vault of caskets in her house, she is not trendy and
would have never redecorated, there are no figurines in my mom's
hallway, I still don't know who this white man is....I don't know
the undertakers, and my brother would have never been coming to
my rescue as he did in the dream(we still have the sibling
rivarly thing going on) Also, my brother only has 1 child who is
alive and well. What is this dream all about?
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:51:36 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Trapped in Computerland
dream_title: Trapped in Computerland
dream_date: Sometime in the 1st 1/2 of 1996
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: Now here's an odd one. I was 9 at the time of the
dream and very interested in computers (as I am now). It started
out with me walking boredly down a gravel trail in some
campground. I talked with my dad briefly and somehow after that
(I forgot) was suddenly zapped into 17th century England. I was
a little panicky and very confused as you might expect. I
remember finding my house, in England (I reside in Minnesota,
USA) being used as a schoolhouse. I said "F--k off" or something
like that and she said something like "Now young boy, show
respect". Anyway, I found a hole in the snow which I jumped in
(very similar to the movie Stay Tuned). I came out at the
Windows 3.1 Desktop, if you remember that. At the top was the
"File" menu, which, by using my mental willpower or something, I
clicked and went down to "Shut Down". I then got a little
message over a black screen "Shut Down Now?" I chose "OK" and
automatically woke up to find myself in bed, with the sun shining
and my clock loudly clicking.
dream_comments: I remember it as being a very long dream.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 430
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. worth it
From: Anonymous
2. Bay of Rings
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:51:16 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: worth it
dream_title: worth it
dream_date: 3-30-02
dreamer_name: Lori
dream_text: Well, first im walking down a sidewalk by a large&busy
street and i see a man walking by me,dragging an infant on the
ground by a rope tied around its neck &i fought the man& took
hold of the rope&lifted the baby up into my arms&run as fast as i
can across the busy street to a smaller street<not a street meant
for cars but just for walking>with little businesses&shops on
it...lots of people were lookin around<perhaps tourists>&i look
at the baby in my arms &his head fell off his body so i toss its
little body nonchalantly on the ground&look at its face&its
gorgeous big blue eyes were rollin back into its head&just movin
all slow¬ together&for some reason that pissed me of,so i
yelled at it "WHY THE FUCK AREnT YOU LOOKInG AT ME!!!!LOOK AT
ME!FUCK YOU!" so i throw his head\neck on the ground as hard as i
could&i begin to step on it&i pick it back up &i see that it has
a giant hole on the back of its skull&so i stick my fingers in it
to touch its brain but i wuss out&leave it...so im walking&i see
a church&i go in,there is a lady&a baby in one of those
strollers&the lady is holding a black pitbull with a leash&she
looks at me walkin to her&we're both VERY calm&she takes the baby
out&lets the vicious pit bull attack it&rip it to shreds in this
church&strangly enough it doesnt bother either of us one bit nor
do i hear the baby cry at all...so then i help her find a
trashbag<what's odd is neither of us says anything to one
another>so we find a big black trashbag&put it on the dog's
head&eventually get the dog completely in it&we load it into her
LIMO<odd>&we drive it to a dock &throw the bag with the live dog
into the water&i woke up...the end
dream_comments: i believe everything in your dream means
something,or tells somethin of the future
me&my mother have been using the book:The Dreamer's Dictionary by
Lady Stearn Robinson&Tom Corbett for many,many years&it has
foretold many things for us
&all my life ive dreamt in color...is that weird or completely
normal?
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:13:27 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Bay of Rings
dream_title: Bay of Rings
dream_date: 4/1/02
dreamer_name: LilLadyK
dream_text: I was walking at the edge of a bay, along the water so
calmly. I looked in the water and saw a ring. I looked again and
saw more rings, gold weddig bands and diamond rings just laying
in the water. The more looked the more rings I saw. I got into
the water and began picking them up and checking them out. I
didn't feel the water, not cold, not warm, just there. Before I
knew it the bay wasothing but wedding rings, inches deep of
nothing but gold rings. Every kind imaginable was there.
Picking them up I didn't want for them or think of filling my
fiingers or my pockets with the prizes left there. It didn't
enter my mind at all, which is really weird too. I could have
paved the way to a new life with them and chose not to disturb
them anymore. Standing in the waer up to my knees I looked to
the edge of the water and saw rock, it had a framed picture of
me just sitting there with a diamond ring beside it. I remember
the frame was peach and the pic was kinda hanging out as if
someone had been holding it and reading the back of it. I
couldn't see the back or anythng I just had that feeling it said
things on the back. I still felt calm seeing it, not knowing
just why I was there and who had placed my picture at the bay of
rings. I have no idea what this means or why I don't feel odd,
just calm...any thoughts on this dream?
dream_comments: I have been searching folklore and mythology for
any thing on Bay of Rings which stands out in my minid as
important
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 431
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Bay of Rings
From: "Denise
2. Yea, I died
From: Anonymous
3. Re: Yea, I died
From: Harmony314
4. Shiela
From: Anonymous
5. bell pepper
From: Anonymous
6. The Blue Wedding Dress
From: Anonymous
7. Driving Fast Can't stop
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:20:24 -0600
From: "Denise
Subject: Re: Bay of Rings
I used to have a dream very similar, of walking at the oceans edge
and picking up gems and jewelry out of the water. I took my dream
to mean there is precious material in my unconscious mind.
-Denise
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:27:57 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Yea, I died
dream_title: Yea, I died
dream_date: 4/2/02
dreamer_name: CAC
dream_text: I'm at school and I become very depressed. I don't
smile, I don't laugh. After weeks of nothing, I get infront of
the school and tell them how they hurt people and how what they
say kills. Then, I pull out a dagger and get ready to stab
myself. Someone stops me, though. I end up in a facility that
holds attempted-suicide victims. My voice is completely gone and
I can see, but I can't. The world lost meaning, life was naught,
and so I died as I continued to breath.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:51:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Harmony314
Subject: Re: Yea, I died
I don't know much about dream interperatation yet, but maybe this
is an expression of you feeling disconnected...you fixed it so you
couldn't talk anymore, you couldn't really see anymore...you felt
dead as you breathed, like a ghost left lingering in the world of
the living...doomed to watch as life passes you by..maybe part of
you feels that way now? By the way, you told your dream
eloquently.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:00:23 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Shiela
dream_title: Shiela
dream_date: Jan 2002-March 2002
dreamer_name: Bob
dream_text: Before I tell you my dream I must give you a little
history about the dream.. I have had this dream for about 3
year, but only till recently the girl in the dream has been
faceless, that is till January.. Now Sheila (The girl in my
dreams) has worked with me for now about 8 months at this night
club, even though she is hotter then hell, we have never clicked.
My dream starts in a different place every time, but it always is
the same premis.. We are in a differnt country traveling,
sometimes we meet there, but now we since I have put a face to
her, we have started our travels together. The rest of the dream
is sright forward, we travel around, and have one of the best
times in my life, it never revolves around sex, but as I have
traveled more into this dream I have kissed her, and it is the
most beautiful, sweet kiss I have ever experiaced.
The next time I dream of her I will record it and write it up so
there is more detail, which I will write with in the next few
days, as I dream about her once every 2 days give or take a day.
dream_comments: This is a dream that has puzzled me for years, and
only till recently I have not had a face to the girl,, The thing
that now puzzles me is why am I dream about Sheila.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:59:52 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: bell pepper
dream_title: come on over
dream_date: 4-1-02
dreamer_name: bell pepper
dream_text: I had this dream that my crush(Bob) was rapping me at
my friends house. and when i woke up from the dream he was
standing right above me.
dream_comments: what does it mean?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:00:59 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Blue Wedding Dress
dream_title: The Blue Wedding Dress
dream_date: 03/28/02
dreamer_name: muffy
dream_text: I am standing alone in a fog in a short blue wedding
dress. It is a beautiful Royal Blue with a high turtleneck collar
which is covered in small blue feathers. I like the dress and I
am wearing blue high heels to match. I am baffled because I don't
know who I am going to marry. My mother (who I can't see) says
not to worry because I look beautiful and it doesn't matter.
dream_comments: I hardly ever wear dresses. I feel comfortable in
jeans. I don't consider myself a raving beauty, yet in my dream,
I was.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:50:10 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Driving Fast Can't stop
dream_title: Driving Fast Can't stop
dream_date: 4/2/2002
dreamer_name: Amy3201
dream_text: I awoke in my dream setting behind the wheel of a
pick-up. A person I recognized was right beside me with his hand
on the wheel and foot on the gas. As I awoke he said it was my
turn to drive, and put my hands on the wheel. I kept going
faster and could not slow down, even when I took my foot off the
gas. I saw trees swishing by but I couldn't seem to see clearly.
dream_comments: I didn't feel I was going to crash In a way I felt
secure in knowing I was not alone, because the guy with me stayed
by my side even after I took control of the wheel. In a strang
sense I felt secure.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 432
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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Devil
From: Anonymous
2. Bride Trapped In the Walls
From: Anonymous
3. Face Of A Dead Man
From: Anonymous
4. Bonnie Riatt & the end
From: Anonymous
5. Crazy Gift Car
From: Anonymous
6. my husband
From: Anonymous
7. stars
From: Anonymous
8. the house
From: Anonymous
9. Re: s for 4/3
From: Heratheta
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:04:07 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Devil
dream_title: Devil
dream_date: March 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: The devil became apparent to me in a dream, and he was
facing away from me. I'm not sure where I was, all I can remember
was that it was dark. I was extremely angry with the devil, and
although I fear him in real life, in the dream I had no fear
whatsoever, and I physically struck at his back with my fists,
venting my anger. I pummelled and pummelled away at him. However
he seemed unconcerned, and pointedly ignored me, much to my
frustration. The dream ended.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:13:53 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Bride Trapped In the Walls
dream_title: Bride Trapped In the Walls
dream_date: 3-13-02
dreamer_name: Anakatora Klio
dream_text: Scattered Dreams of Being Stalked By A Thin, Scary
Man:
A man chases me. He is thin and his face is scarred. I hide behind
a wall, but he traps me there. There is a hole in the wall big
enough for him to see me through. He could kill me through this
hole, but instead he keeps me as a bride behind the wall forever.
Everyday he shows his face in the hole and says dirty things to
be. I become thin and sickly looking.
I am in a large circular room in a temple. There are no doors,
windows, or stairs leading from the room to escape. The thin,
scar-faced man is there.
At times, I pretend to love the man so I can escape. Once I ball
up like a spirit that resides in the house and roll down the
stairs and out the front door. I had seen a spirit do it once.
Other times I flew away either as myself or disguised as a bird.
Most times the man captured me again.
Me and another woman, which he mistook for me, are trapped in a
small room or closet with the man. We kissed each other to please
him, and then I pretend he arouses me so that I can get him into
the bed. An axe lay by the bed. I bash him in the head, but he is
still alive. The other woman exchanges places with me on the bed
and smooshes up his brains.
dream_comments: Please use my Real Name Anakatora Klio Please use
my e-mail anakatora@hotmail.com Comments on dream: The dream
seemed to continue and stop throughout the night. I can't
remember the specific order of these visions or how much time
passed between each, only that the dreams were related to one
another.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:13:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Face Of A Dead Man
dream_title: Face Of A Dead Man
dream_date: 3-12-02
dreamer_name: Anakatora Klio
dream_text: I took the entire face of a deformed, dead, old man
who was evil. I wore his face like a mask and danced with my
mother. I am her son. Her eyes glow like an angel, or something
of comparable beauty. I go to find her as she disappears in one
of the rooms of our home. There are two young thieves planning
something evil which involves stealing. They are willing to
murder if necessary. Outside, I walk by the thieves with my mother
in my arms. She is very pale, like she is dead. I lay her on the
ground and go to look for help. I am outside an apartment
building or hotel. The thieves consider me as a possible victim,
but I can tell in their faces something made them decide against
committing the action towards me. My mother's body begins to
slowly levitate. Her body positions change each time she drifts
upwards, until she if finally hovering several feet up, and her
body is stretched completely flat with her arms to her side. At
this point, her skin is a very pale white. In my head I hear, "Let
me go, I'm dead," as if the thought were being put there by my
mother.
dream_comments: Please use my Real Name Please use my e-mail
(editor - e-mail not given)
Notes on dream: The mother in the dream was not my mother in life.
Also, I was a man in my dream, whereas in life I am a woman.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:21:12 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Bonnie Riatt & the end
dream_title: Bonnie Riatt & the end
dream_date: 4/01/01
dreamer_name: Fawn
dream_text: I dreamed I was on a cruise ship with my family.
Bonnie Raitt (the blues singer and guitarist) was there. We were
told that in a few days, the polar ice caps were going to melt
and the earth would be covered with water...all human life would
end. I kept crying and asking my nother how it could be true and
telling everyone I was afraid to die. I was so scared, nearly to
the point of hysteria. Then Bonnie Raitt suggested a way I could
save myself and the earth..she asked if I would be willing to try,
but I was given the impression the chances of success were slim.
She said they could freeze me in this apparatus that was taller
than the world could flood. I would be able to control the thing
from inside, even though it was frozen. It reminded me of a
transformer (cartoon huge robots that transform into other
things). She said they could insert my mind or conciousness into
a computer program and basically turn my conciousness into a
dream, and I would dream that the water would recede, and that
would save the world. I woke up after agreeing to do it, with a
horrible feeling of sadness, and wanting to call my mother.
dream_comments: There are detail about this dream I can't remember
becaue I woke from it in the middle of the night and went back to
sleep. This is the second dream I have had recently with a pop
star in it.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:21:39 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Crazy Gift Car
dream_title: Crazy Gift Car
dream_date: 4/01/01
dreamer_name: Fawn
dream_text: I dreamed my boyfriend bought a station wagon from his
grandparents and gave it to me for a present. I asked him "Can I
keep it even if we break up?" And he said "Yes." Next thing I
knew there was a family gathering at our house. His grandparents,
and some of my family were in the back room singing hymns.
Meanwhile, my mother and grandmother told me to look in the back
of the staion wagon for presents from them. The car was
completely full of baby items and sex toys. There was a bassinette
and rattles and bottles, and there was every kind of sex toy you
could imagine, some I have never seen, read about or heard of,
much less tried. I was fantasising within the dream about using
them with my boyfriend as I was looking at each item and putting
it away. My mother also gave me a plant and I hung it on the
wall. I asked her how I was ever going to have time to care for
it. She told me not to worry, that soon I would be able to afford
to have somone do those kinds of things for me. I was happy and
surprised in this dream.
dream_comments: I just had a birthday and issues such as getting
married and getting too old for childbirth have been on my mind.
Also I am menstruating at this time...could these factors have
anything to do with the dream? Also, I am an entertainer with
hopes of "making it". I have the feeling that relates to my
mother's comment in the dream about a change in my financial
status.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:57:55 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: my husband
dream_title: my husband
dream_date: 4\2\02
dreamer_name: cassy
dream_text: in my dream my husband shot my friend,and about ten
helicopters came after him along with police on foot.he was
chasing me and just before he shot me he was shot in the back
right in front of me i watch him die and i felt as if i was
smiling the whole time.
dream_comments: my husband has threatened to kill me many times
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:58:41 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: stars
dream_title: stars
dream_date: 04 03 02
dreamer_name: libby
dream_text: well i have been having several types of dreams ,this
latest one was .stars,i keep dreaming about them like i was there
in the nite with them just looking everywhere and there were
brilliant beautiful stars, near and far away.i awoke to go to
bathroom,them went back to bed and whrn i would close my eyes
there they were .so i opened my eyes to see if i was dreaming
,and then i seen i was in my room i could see,everything in the
room,so closed my eyes again and they were there again,so i just
accepted them and fell back to sleep.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:59:29 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: the house
dream_title: the house
dream_date: february 12, 2002
dreamer_name: angel
dream_text: hi, my name is angel:
I and my daugther have this recurring dream of a house. It is a
Victorian type of house. It is white in color and quite large,
with many windows with fancy wooden sills, and with rooms with
out or with furniture from the 19th century. In the dream the
house has a piano in the living room. One of the bedrooms has a
queen anne bedroom set, with a closet with clothes in it. The
kitchen is wallpaper with a flower pattern and wooden floor. When
looking out the window you see a beautiful flower garden.
Consists of various types of plants and flowers. I never get to
go upstairs but i bet the second floor is very elegant what does
this mean.
dream_comments: What does this mean? I and my daugther keep on
having the same dream. For comments please email at
Angelica_valme@email.com
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:06:17 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: s for 4/3
peace lies to the right of where your dream occured if you
remember not to be called its name
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 433
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Bride Trapped In the Walls
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
2. Pearls, Cats and Playgrounds
From: Anonymous
3. Re: Bride Trapped In the Walls
From: Heratheta
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:07:30 +0100
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
Subject: Re: Bride Trapped In the Walls
Hi, Anakatora.
I'm not a dream expert but there's one recurring theme about this
dream that might explain it.
In the dream, you're being trapped as a bride to a man you don't
love, and then you're in the closet kissing another woman.
Maybe I'm just reading the symbols too literally -- and remember,
I know nothing about your personal life -- but the dream could be
encouraging you to question your own sexuality and preferences in
relationships.
Hope that helps. Sorry I couldn't think of anything more.
Cheers, Pi.
| | dream_title: Bride Trapped In the Walls | dream_date: 3-13-02
| dreamer_name: Anakatora Klio | | | dream_text: Scattered Dreams
of Being Stalked By A Thin, Scary Man: | | | A man chases me. He
is thin and his face is scarred. I hide behind a | wall, but he
traps me there. There is a hole in the wall big enough | for him
to see me through. He could kill me through this hole, but |
instead he keeps me as a bride behind the wall forever. Everyday |
he shows his face in the hole and says dirty things to be. I
become | thin and sickly looking. | | | I am in a large circular
room in a temple. There are no doors, | windows, or stairs leading
from the room to escape. The thin, | scar-faced man is there. | |
| At times, I pretend to love the man so I can escape. Once I ball
up | like a spirit that resides in the house and roll down the
stairs and | out the front door. I had seen a spirit do it once.
Other times I flew | away either as myself or disguised as a bird.
Most times the man | captured me again. | | | Me and another
woman, which he mistook for me, are trapped in a small | room or
closet with the man. We kissed each other to please him, and |
then I pretend he arouses me so that I can get him into the bed.
An | axe lay by the bed. I bash him in the head, but he is still
alive. | The other woman exchanges places with me on the bed and
smooshes | up his brains. | | | dream_comments: Please use my Real
Name Anakatora Klio | Please use my e-mail anakatora@hotmail.com |
| Comments on dream: The dream seemed to continue and stop
throughout | the night. I can't remember the specific order of
these visions or how | much time passed between each, only that
the dreams were related to | one another. |
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:16:15 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Pearls, Cats and Playgrounds
dream_date: 4/04/2002
dreamer_name: A4 pad
dream_text: I'm sitting in a pub and wearing a silver necklace.
I'm looking around, and suddenly someone gives me a pearl
necklace. I put the pearl necklace on, and trying to take silver
necklace off. I'm struggling for a bit, but at the end I'm
succeeding. While unhooking the necklace, I can see my own neck.
Next thing I know is I'm lying in a bed, and trying to fall
asleep. There is a young cat in my bed, and it keeps playing and
keeping me awake. I am pushing the cat away, but it is still
coming back. I don't have the heart to through it behind the
door, but it gets more and more persistent. Next I see children
playing in playground. They don't look like they are having much
fun, but I still want to join them. I feel annoyed, because I
want to go and play with then, but someone is stopping me.
dream_comments: i was born on 15 of September 1983
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:54:13 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Bride Trapped In the Walls
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 434
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Cars to Spiders
From: Anonymous
2. Re: Cars to Spiders
From: wendy
3. Was this dream telling me something about my father.
From: Anonymous
4. Tornado
From: Anonymous
5. wolf
From: Anonymous
6. Old woman
From: Anonymous
7. Scary vampire dream/nightmare : help please.
From: "moggetmouse"
8. neverending mall
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:07:00 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Cars to Spiders
dream_title: Cars to Spiders dream_date: 04-04-02 dreamer_name:
anonymous dream_text: I'm driving a car at night with my ex-
girlfriend/girlfriend talking and laughing away in the passenger
seat, suddenly, her ex appears and takes her away, this repeats 3
times, then I find myself in a completely black room again with
her, and again he comes, and drags her out, this time he is
physicaly dragging her. She reaches for me and as I reach out for
her hand, it passes through an unseen spiders web, I break
through only to find more webs, now surrounding me. The door
closes, no more light. I panic, ripping and tearing through the
webs only to find them replaced 2 fold, then the spiders come,
from everywhere, still struggling to remove the webs from my
face, arms, legs, and the creatures creating them. Then, a bite,
on my right arm, I look to see a average sized Black widow spider
- I kill it, but then 4 inches away another, this one the size of
my hand, bites again. Suddenly I am covered - more bites, a daze,
and I am awake.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:33:52 -0800 (PST)
From: wendy
Subject: Re: Cars to Spiders
i had a similar dream but the spiders were black and crawling
around on the floor.
the next morning I was in a bad car accident. me and the other
girl in the car had a similar dream that same night.
pay attent to the the colors in your dreams they have meaning in
them. --
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Dream Baby
From: Anonymous
2. Telephone
From: Anonymous
3. Money Bush
From: Anonymous
4. surprise!! It's a boy and a girl!!
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:18:29 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dream Baby
dream_title: Dream Baby
dream_date: March 30, 2002
dreamer_name: moonchild
dream_text: I woke on Easter morning from a disturbing dream. I
was lying in my bed. It was dark, and a baby was in my arms- a
small, blond baby, dressed in a girl's clothing, but with a
masculine feel that told me it was a boy. Its eyes were closed.
It was my baby, but I did not feel the bond with the baby that I
would if I had given birth to it. It didn't actually seem to be
alive. That is the alarming part. As I lay there my mother came
to my doorway and turned the hall light on. We saw that the baby's
mouth was full of blood. There was an 'Oh my God, the baby's
dead' moment. My mother took the baby away from me and carried it
into the bathroom to examine it under the bright lights. I was
bewildered. I never felt a bond with the baby until I realized
that it was dead.
dream_comments: I have had a recent obsession of sorts with Kurt
Cobain. The night before I received the album Nevermind. I also
saw a distorted picture of im in which he appears to be bleeding
from the mouth. My mother and I have a theory that the baby in
the dream is Kurt, which explains why I felt that the baby was a
boy and why there was no bond with the baby until after death,
since I didn't discover Kurt until he had been deceased for over
seven years.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:12:56 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Telephone
dream_title: Telephone
dream_date: Thurs/4th/april
dreamer_name: jasmina
dream_text: My dream which i have on and of...Is about trying to
phone someone...Its usaully me trying to dial a number...but i
always get one digit wrong...so i have to start again..I repeat
this so many times during the dream and slowly i am getting
angrier and angrier..Any ideas
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:10:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Money Bush
dream_title: Money Bush
dream_date: 3/30/02
dreamer_name: Donna
dream_text: I dreamed that I found one dollar with a quarter on
top of it near a bush. When I bent down to pick it up I found a
stack of 20 dollar bills about 7 inches high under the same bush.
Since nobody was around to claim it I decided that I would keep
it. When I went home I went next door. The house next door was
a mansion that was taller than it was wider and it was fairly
old. When I went inside the two year old boy that lived there
was climbing on a disarrayed book shelf getting a book. I asked
him what he was doing and he said he was getting a book. I asked
him why he wanted to read he said because he was bored. I turned
to my middle boy child that is 8 and said you see Daniel he is
reading because he is bored. That was the end of my dream.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 20:24:14 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: surprise!! It's a boy and a girl!!
dream_title: surprise!! It's a boy and a girl!!
dream_date: 4/6/02
dreamer_name: jessibelle
dream_text: I dreamed that I was leaving the hospital with a set
of newborn twins. A boy and a girl. There was a nurse who had
put the wrong gender clothes on the children. I redressed the
babies the way they should have been. After I was home, there was
a debate with the father of the babies, on whether to put them in
the same bassinet, or seperate ones. It was in the winter.
dream_comments: I am not pregnant. Do not plan to get pregnant.
I was not sure the identity of the father.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 436
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. strange
From: Anonymous
2. Beyond the Universe
From: Anonymous
3. Re: neverending mall
From: Harmony314
4. Re: Scary vampire dream/nightmare : help please.
From: Harmony314
5. spinning bar
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:29:56 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: strange
dream_title: strange
dream_date: 05-04-2002
dreamer_name: people
dream_text: there were two men searching for me the one had very
long nails and the other just a normal man.i was looking for a
book when suddenly the man with the long nails grab me behind the
nek and gave me a big skar on my neck.they hit me and hit me i
was very hurt and confused when i woke up{still in my dream}i was
tied up and saw something to untie the myself i did an ran away
but they catced me again and then it end so i wonder whats going
to happen if i dream on tonight
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:30:42 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Beyond the Universe
dream_title: Beyond the Universe
dream_date: Mid Feb
dreamer_name: jackerouac
dream_text: I lay in bed, all around me were friends and family
excitedly talking. WHy? They didn't even really know eachother.
My friends from college and friends from home. frat brothers and
thugs. When they saw that i was awake they started pelting me
with beer bottle caps. I screamed stop and they did, they
weren't there anymore. I got up to check my email messages and
it took a century to get to the computer, i couldn't get close
enough, i was milimeters from the mouse but i could never get more
than half the distance left to the mouse. I gave up and decided
to leave, but the same with the door, i just couldn't get any
closer no matter how large my steps were. i looked behind me and
my room had expanded into the universe. Suddenly it shot back to
its regular size as my room suddenly realized that i knew what
was going on. All i wanted to do was go outside, just to see
what was outside the universe, but i woke up.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:27:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harmony314
Subject: Re: neverending mall
I had a dream about a secret door in a store not too long ago,
and for some reason it was one of those that stays with you for a
few days. It's been awhile and it's hard to remember it all, but I
know that my home was attatched to a door in the back of the store
through a closet. When I discovered the door in my closet and went
through it into the grocery store, I got accused of trying to
shoplift. Also, there was something in the dream about a guy that
worked in the store sneaking into my house through the closet and
watching me sleep. Just waned to share that with you since it's
sort of on the same subject.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:38:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harmony314
Subject: Re: Scary vampire dream/nightmare : help please.
Hey There, Just writeing to tell you not to be embarresed of
being frightened by a dream. Nightmares are very terrifying and
can seem so real. I have woke up crying my eyes out, as though
some horrible tradgedy had happened, all a reaction to a
frightening dream. And I have been scared to fall back to sleep,
even if I was exausted, dreading a return to a scary nightmare.
I have read about lucid dreaming (by the way, I'm brand new here
too, and I joined the group becaue of an upsetting dream I
couldn't shake) and I read that you can suggest to yourself
before you go to bed that if a scary dream happens you will do
something...anything to let yourself know that you are
dreaming....look at your hands, say a certain word, get into a
certain body position, whatever seems familiar to you that you
think will let you know that you are dreaming. Then you can just
look at your vampires or whatever is scaring you and tell them
this is YOUR dream and you aren't about to be bullied around.
Sounds like a great idea. Of course I have never succesfully done
this , but hopefully you will be able to. I also find this
interesting....have you ever had a dream where you are terrified
or upset, then when you wake up and remember or tell the dream, it
shouldn't have been a scary situation...like I dreamed one time
some guy came into my home and put plants all over it. THere was
nothing wrong with the plants, but for some reason I woke up
terrified. Just thought I'd bounce that idea around. Thanks for
sharing your dream.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:38:22 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: spinning bar
dream_title: spinning bar
dream_date: april 16, 2002
dreamer_name: Jessica
dream_text: Well, last night I had a dream that started out on a
lake. The water was dark, almost black. The sky was grey and
kind of dark. The first person I saw was a man, ripping apart a
boat made of logs with fur on the tops of them. The guy, with
salt and pepper hair, blue eyes, tan, that looked young, was
laughing and talking about freedom. He then jumped into the
water. The next thing I know, it's night and I'm in a spinning
bar. There's two rooms and a porch, and in one of the rooms, a
bunch of men are sitting around playing poker. I'm in the other
room, where there's an empty fireplace and an
ancient clock
sitting on the mantle. Across from me stands this man, who
strikes me as very handsome. He is spinning opposite to me, as
if out of reach. I then run out of the room, out onto the porch,
and I jump into the water. It's night with no stars, just a big
moon. I arrive at the end of a forest, and I travel through it
quickly, guided by a light. It's almost like I'm flying. I then
arrive at a grey cave, with bats inside. This is the strange
part, there are two more men inside, and it seems as though it's
supposed to be educational. There are holes in a part of cave
where bats are supposed to sleep. I come to a table, and all
these bats are sleeping, then two of them don't fly, but jump on
top of my head. The two men pull them off and say they get
$30,000. The last place I am is in a very beautiful white house
with the man I first mentioned. I look out one of the windows,
and see the edge of the same lake, with barren black trees, black
water, black rocks and a grey sky. if anyone knows what this all
means, please email me at wonder_smurf7@hotmail.com
dream_comments: I wanna know what this means. if you could help
me at all, I'd appreciate it.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 437
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Bike Racing
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:56:49 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Bike Racing
dream_title: Bike Racing
dream_date: 1992
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was at the Pepsi Center and this guy came up to me.
He asked, Do you want to race? I said yes then when he showed up
roaring his dirt bike. We started to race and when I looked down
I was on my bicycle. I hit a bump and flew up to the cealing. I
was holding on to the bars apove the stadium.
dream_comments: I was laughing when I woke up
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 438
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Scary vampire dream/nightmare : help please.
From: mara
2. memorys
From: Anonymous
3. Pepper Nightmares
From: Anonymous
4. Re: memorys
From: Harmony314
5. sugar
From: Anonymous
6. Re: sugar
From: Harmony314
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: mara
Subject: Re: Scary vampire dream/nightmare : help please.
Hi Phoenix: If it were my dream, perhaps the vampires are
situations in my life that I am always trying to avoid, but they
always come back to me until I decide to face them. The vampires
in the dream promise to come back and I am even afraid to go to
sleep because they will be in my dreams, but they are not that
scary if I think of them as appointments with life situations.
Dreams come to give us messages and suggestions on issues that we
don't seem to understand in waking life. Sometimes the content of
our dream changes, but repeats the message. It is up to us to
finally give in and face whatever we need to in life so that we
can evolve to new heights and free ourselves from nightmares.
Maybe next time I will invite the vampires to dinner and discover
that they are just regular people dressed up for a party. Hope
this helps. Sweet dreams
moggetmouse wrote: Hello all, I'm a newbie to the group. Joined
in hopes of finding help with a dream I had a couple nights ago. I
don't know what to say... Well I had this dream, and it really
disturbed me. I am not quite sure on some details. I was in a
place that looked a little like my house but different, maybe
warped, it was brighter, but empty. I was scared, really scared,
I'm still scared by this dream... There were these guys, they
were vampires, or something very close to that. I don't know what
any of them looked like except for one, he looked like my friend's
boyfriend, lets call him Tim. That really freaked me out. They
were sort of chasing me. They or maybe it was just Tim, told me
that I could never get away from them. They hurt some one I know,
don't remember who though. One of them said they would be back.
Then I remember hiding in something. They were surrounding me and
telling me I'd never get away and stuff like that and trying to
scare me and trying to get me to come out, even though they knew
where I was and could probably force me to come out. For some
reason I don't think that they wanted to really hurt me, maybe...
maybe they wanted me to become one of them... I not sure. That's
all I remember. Usually when I have a disturbing dream, such as
this, I remeber it when I wake up, and then I'm plagued by for the
rest of the day, but I didn't remember the dream until later that
night. The fact that I'd had this dream just hit me as I was
walking out to my car at night. It was weird. I don't know what to
think about this dream. I'm embarassed to say that I'm actually
afraid to sleep at night, thinking that I might have this dream
again. I really don't know what to think, and I don't know what it
means...
Phoenix M.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:30:17 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: memorys
dream_title: memorys
dream_date: 8-4-02
dreamer_name: chunk
dream_text: I was on holiday again in austria it was halloween or
easter. There was one of my ex-boyfriends there, he kissed me on
the cheek but wouldn't kiss my lips i asked why and he said that
he was afraid to get close to me again.
dream_comments: i haven't spoke or thought about him in ages, why
should he appear in my dreams?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:46:36 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Pepper Nightmares
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I have discovered that I have bad dreams after eating
a lot of pepper on my foods the night before. Eliminate pepper
from your diet and, if you are like me, you will eliminate your
bad dreams.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harmony314
Subject: Re: memorys
I'll tell you a story about something that happened to me. It
could be considered a coincidence, but it always makes me wonder
if we recieve messages from some source beyond our known means of
communication. I dreamed about my mother's old boyfriend twice
in two weeks. I hadn't spoken to or heard from him or anything
about him in at least five years. There was nothing I could
remember that I had run accross recently that would have reminded
me of him. I told my mother about the dreams and she said she had
recieved a piece of mail for him, which was highly unusual since
they hadn't had contact in many years. We agreed this was too
coincidental not to try and find out how he was doing. My mother
searched around and found his number. She said when he answered
the phone and she told him who she was, he said "Thank God, it
worked!" He explained he had suffered a dibilitating injury and
had been trying to send out a telepathic message for my Mom to
call him, just to hear the comforting voice of an old friend.
He's never claimed to believe in psychic phenomena and I get the
impression he didn't have any idea if it would work. My thought
is that there is no proof either way, but it sure is interesting
to consider the possibilities. And even more mysterious is why I
had the dream if he was trying to get ahold of my mother. I don't
know if that gives you any insight into your dream. I still agree
with the school of thought that says dreams are creative
involuntary manifestations of whatever has been getting into your
brain lately, via your five senses or suboncious memories deeply
buried.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:23:21 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: sugar
dreamer_name: sugar
dream_text: I keep having dreams of Cocaine. The dreams consist of
old friends and cocaine use. I have about 3 a week. One dream was
me and a friend were giving cocaine to the police. What does this
mean?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:40:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harmony314
Subject: Re: sugar
I have heard that people in addiction recovery have dreams of
using after they stop. It's like a wish fullfilment dream. If
you are in recovery, this might be something for you to consider.
Best of luck.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 439
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. shadows
From: Anonymous
2. golden city
From: Anonymous
3. Re: golden city
From: "Denise
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:59:40 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: shadows
dream_title: shadows
dream_date: 4/9.02
dreamer_name: alabama
dream_text: been have the same dreams for 3 months.. slow motion
type that wakes me up .. seein darl shadow of man in my
kitchen at the stove he turns around and faces me he disappears
then i awakes fro my sleep .. im totally and can't bring myself
to get up to start the day..
dream_comments: what does dream means it kinda scarey to me
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:01:24 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: golden city
dream_title: golden city
dream_date: 2/15/2002
dreamer_name: shinelight
dream_text: I am with my co-worker and we are making a visit on
this family, there has been a complaint about the children and
the house being dirty. We get to an apartment and have to go up
many stairs. When we enter the apartment I realize it is her
family and she is arguing with them. All the yelling going on
makes me uncomfortable. I escape and go back down the stairs. The
scene changes and I am on a floating type vehicle with a speaker,
orating where we are. We are floating above this ornate city. All
the buildings look old, they are built of Stone and all have a
golden cast to them. There are two of the buildings that look
like temples with pointed tops, they look either Persian or Asian
in design. I then notice there are these people walking out of
one of the temples, coming out two or three at a time. They are
completely Gold, their skin, hair and robes. One of the men
remind me of a statue of Buddha, he has no hair and a rounded
belly, his gown falls below his navel. They are all dressed in
flowing golden gowns. that's when I notice the sky is also a
strange color. I start to realize I am dreaming and wonder if I
am visiting another planet?
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:41:39 -0500
From: "Denise
Subject: Re: golden city
Dear shinelight,
When you realize you are dreaming while you are dreaming it is
called a lucid dream. It is not unusual to encounter other spirits
when you are in a lucid dream. When this happens, you can ask
those spirits questions. Keeping a dream journal will help you
develop the ability to have lucid dreams regularly.
Enjoy your dreamtime travels,
-Denise
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 440
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Fwd: Have you seen this child?
From: LOSTKRAFT
2. Stabbing
From: Anonymous
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:16:51 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Stabbing
dream_title: STABBING
dream_date: 10/04/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text:
In a room with my sister-in-law talking about stabbing. We agreed
that since she stabbed me before that i should be able to stab
her. My husband (he didn't have a clue as to whiy i needed the
knife), handed we a butter knife but when i tried to stab her in
the stomach, it didn't do anything so i asked for a different
knife. I was given a sharper one. Held it up and said this is
good and jabbed it quickly in her stomach. All she said was
"oh". I had a teddy bear that she wanted, but i said you won't
need it. We went to bed, i held the teddy bear tight then layed
it next to me. I didn't get much sleep, tossing and turning.
Thinking over and over, nothing will happen because i was ok
after my stabbing. Morning came and out of one of the rooms one
girl walked out. I was thinking that if my sister-in-law died
during the night, this girl would scream. I walked into the room
and slowly walked towards my sister-in-law. She stirred turned
and said she was ok. I knew she would be and said to her that i
still have a scar where you stabbed me and showed it to her...
She wasn't to impressed by it and said that i don't have to go
that far.
dream_comments: I would like to know what this means, it spooked
me out a bit.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 442
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. scared
From: Anonymous
2. (no subject)
From: LOSTKRAFT
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:55:24 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: scared
dream_title: scared
dream_date: April 11, 2002
dreamer_name: littlespunker
dream_text: I was inside a house looking through a door to the
outside. There were bombs and missles dropping from planes.
Everyone was terrified and running trying to stay alive. My dog
was right on the other side of the door sitting down and shacking
from being so afraid. He wanted to come in. I was afraid to move
and afraid I might lose him. I opened the door and the dream
ended.
dream_comments: I would like to if possible have comments send to
my e-mail address if possible. I am knew to this type of stuff
and that dream sticks out in my mind. My dog has always been
there when I was scared or afraid. He is little and acts like a
tuff guy. I felt afraid when I woke up. and soon had another
dream involving war much worse, but it didn't have anyone I loved
in it.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 443
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Previous Life
From: Anonymous
2. Skydancer
From: Anonymous
3. Re: Skydancer
From: "Israel
4. Why would I dream something like this?
From: Anonymous
5. Re: Why would I dream something like this?
From: "Israel
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:07:39 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Previous Life
dream_title: Previous Life
dream_date: 12.04.2002
dreamer_name: ChiefOren
dream_text: I am flying with my girlfriend looking for a treasure.
But the quarry is overbuilt by new homes. We stop in a small
store and I pick up a freeze dried drink. We talk to the store
manager and he tells me that as a little girl I learned with
Richenover. After that I ask my girlfriend why she loves me.
dream_comments: I am Male 49 Yrs. of age. American born. But have
recurring dreams as a little girl of German decent that was killed
in WW2. In previous dreams also learned to play piano.
share_dreams: ON
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:04:54 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Skydancer
dream_title: Time Warp
dream_date: 12 April 2002
dreamer_name: Skydancer
dream_text: I'm on the subway, commuting from Boston to Cambridge.
The year is 2002, but I see Martha G on the crowded car, and she
looks exactly the way she did in 1957. That's the year I went to
live with the G's as their au pair girl.
Because of the rush hour load of people, I cannot get close to
Martha and talk with her. I just stare. I cannot believe I see
someone I knew so well, looking exactly the way she did more than
40 years ago. She wears the Peck and Peck suit she always donned
in the fall and winter months for her weekly day in Boston--
Thursday, it was. The suit is beautifully tailored, a
lightweight wool in heathery brown tones.
And now I realize that I, too, look and feel exactly the way I did
in 1957. My life is at mid-morning. I'm suffused with energy,
and a longing to be famous. I'm going to write a book about
Medieval England. I wear my medieval costume--black tights, a
loose black corduroy jumper, a black turtleneck, and suede
Capezio sandals. My hair is cut bowl-fashion to complete the
medieval look. I hold a book, a biography of Richard III, which
I read during my lunch hour, as well as while I'm commuting. The
book was a gift from the G's at Christmas.
I'm wondering what has happened. Somewhere between Copley Square
and Charles Street Station, I have taken a turn into the past.
Even the buildings I see across the river in Cambridge are those
I always saw back in 1957.
Then I think: maybe I had a dream last night about my future
life. That must be it.
End of dream.
dream_comments: I've always wanted to enter a time machine and
travel to Medieval England, to Pre-Columbian Mexico, to the
ancient Indus Valley civilizations of India. I even used to make
up stories about contemporary children being taken in a magic
basket to medieval times and tell them to Martha G''s three
children. Thus, I'm not surprised that I had a dream about
entering a subway in 2002 and finding myself in Boston, in 1957.
However, that's definitely not a year I'd want to return to. I
was an au-pair girl at that time because my mother was so abusive
that I had begun to develop behavior problems at school, and a
social worker arranged for me to live with the G's.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:11:40 +0000
From: "Israel
Subject: Re: Skydancer
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:43:21 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Why would I dream something like this?
dream_title: Why would I dream something like this? dream_date: 4-
13-02 dreamer_name: daniel dream_text: My dream took place in New
York city. In my dream I was about 10 years younger and so was my
sister. Well, my mom, dad, sister and I were having dinner at
this real nice restaurant that was up stairs in a building. This
restaurant had a balcony that me and my sister wanted to go play
on. So we asked my mother if we could go and play. She said yes.
The bolcany had red carpet with wooden railing. I went to look
over the railing to see New York city. I could feel the cool air
hitting my hair. New york city was at a far distance. Right over
the city the sky was black and to the left of the black sky the
sky faded in to light blue and to the right of the black sky it
faded into yellow. Three highways ran out of the city over the
ocean which intersected with an orange highway. In between the two
highways to the left was a building sticking out of the water. In
the dream this was normal. After looking over the balcony my
mother screams for me and my sister to come in. Every body in the
restaurant is screaming in fear. My mom told me that anthrax was
falling from the sky and we had to wait for it to settle on the
ground so we could put on our anti-anthrax shoe so we wouldn't
get hurt. The anthrax was orange. Thats all I remember from my
dream. dream_comments: why would i dream of this. i never even
been to New York
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:15:59 +0000
From: "Israel
Subject: Re: Why would I dream something like this?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 444
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. flights of life
From: Anonymous
2. me and friends riding
From: Anonymous
3. We Both Dreamed of Bats
From: Anonymous
4. Re: flights of life
From: "Israel
5. Re: flights of life
From: "Israel
6. Re: We Both Dreamed of Bats
From: "Denise
7. ochy
From: Anonymous
8. fire comets
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:42:35 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: flights of life
dream_title: flights of life
dream_date: all the time
dreamer_name: peps woman
dream_text: I dream that I'm standing on the edge of a picknick
table and I ran to the edge and I start flying. I feel my
stomach heave with the high altitude and then I wake up
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:18:23 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: me and friends riding
dream_title: me and friends riding
dream_date: 4-6-02
dreamer_name: Dee
dream_text: me and my two friends where riding down a dirt road
having fun then we stopped and got out all of a sudden birds
started to fly there was something wrong, so we ran ,i was
faster, they thought things was ok again so they started back and
so did i they where closer to the car than i because i ran so far
as i got closer a man jumped out and started to get them i was
scared for them but i ran and left them
dream_comments: im sure the man got one of my friends not so sure
about the other because i ran
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:56:13 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: We Both Dreamed of Bats
dream_title: We Both Dreamed of Bats
dream_date: 04/13/02
dreamer_name: akacutinup
dream_text: My future wife and I are very close. We have known
each other since the age of 18 and are now 45. After having bad
marriages and 25 years of seperation we got together and have
been so for the last 18 months. We have connections that go far
beyond the phyicial and emotional levels. Last night we both
awoke from dreams of bats. I dreamed that the bat was very
beautiful animal, not really realizing it was a bat at first but a
beautiful and graceful animal. Realizing that it was a bat I was a
bit startled but curiously still attracted by it's wonderful
quailities as it approched me I crouched to avoid it as it
approched me. My girl friend dreamed that I was a bat and
commented that "I make a beautiful bat". She said that the bat
was tan (or white) and that there was not very much more to the
dream.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:17:14 +0000
From: "Israel
Subject: Re: flights of life
I really don't think there is anything unusual in flying in
dreams. Everyone does it. However I would think that a good
correlation to flying is asperations. You have made plans that
have yet to come to fruitation.
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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: fire comets
From: "Israel
2. Re: ochy
From: "Israel
3. Re: 4/16
From: Heratheta
4. Very Freaky Stuff
From: Anonymous
5. 9-10
From: Anonymous
6. daughters was supposed to die
From: Anonymous
7. Re: 9-10
From: "Denise
8. RE: daughters was supposed to die
From: "Israel
9. RE: 9-10
From: "Israel
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:34:46 +0000
From: "Israel
Subject: Re: fire comets
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:27:21 +0000
From: "Israel
Subject: Re: ochy
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:35:04 EDT
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: 4/16
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:18:07 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Very Freaky Stuff
dream_title: Very Freaky Stuff
dream_date: April 09, 2002
dreamer_name: Bella Babe
dream_text: Okay, this dream is very freaky and I have no idea
what its trying to tell me. In the dream my two sisters and I
walk into the house and in the middle of the living room are my
mom's cut off feet. There is blood all over the place and my
sisters and I start freaking out because someone obviously killed
my mom and all they left was her feet! We were all very
frightened in the dream and felt that whoever killed my mom would
come back to kill us. The dream ended there cause I forced myself
to wake up.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:40:15 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: 9-10
dream_title: 9-10
dream_date: 9/10/01
dreamer_name: Shenan
dream_text: I was taking a nap in middle of the day. Right before
waking up I had this realistic dream. I was riding in a jet. I
wasn't myself, I seemed to be someone else. I was discussing
things with other passengers, I'm not sure what, but it was about
the pilot. I could see the ground. I saw real bright green fields
and hills. next thing I know we're going down. When the plane hit
I woke up. I told all my friends about the dream. They didn't
make a big deal about it. The following day, which was 9/11, I
seen the same green fields and hills on tv when the jet crashed
in Pennsylvania. My friends didn't know what to think about it.
It kinda freaked some of them out, but some of them seen me do
psychic stuff all the time, so it wasn't a big deal to them.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:30:45 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: daughters was supposed to die
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I dreamed one of my daughters was supposed to die, she
did not want to, she had to go down to two real steep stair
steps, eventually she went on and died. The next night I dreamed
she and my son died and my family wanted me to view their bodies
which I refused. Then I ended up asking my son if my daughter was
afraid before she died, and he said yes, because if she wouldn't
have died, she would have been mad at me. This dream started on
Saturday and was continuing until Sunday night. I don't
understand it all. Please help me out. dream_comments: Are my
children in any kind of danger or am I?
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:33:36 -0500
From: "Denise
Subject: Re: 9-10
Dear Shenan,
You might want to read a book called The Holographic Universe by
Michael Talbot. There are dimensions within dimensions that we
cannot perceive in our waking consciousness, and Time is one of
them. We can sometimes transcend time in our dreams, when we
travel among dimensions. Occasional prescient dreams then happen.
Enjoy your gift. Perhaps starting a dream journal is something
you'll benefit from, as you go along. Have fun.
Sincerely, Denise
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:54:29 +0200
From: "Israel
Subject: RE: daughters was supposed to die
Usually, when seeing death in dreams, it does not particularly
mean danger or illness. It usually reflects change in
disposition. Change does not come easy they say, and all too many
of us do not wish to change our outlook on things, so when change
does come, it usually is frowned upon and shunned. Thus the
connotation of death as the foreboder of change.
My advice, which usually I don't expect many to take, is to simply
reflect on changes in your disposition, (like instead of being
angry all the time, being more mellow) Or other change in
attitudes, and upon reflection, if you wish to take action, decide
if this change in attitude is better or not.
Yours,
Israel Oren
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:02:17 +0200
From: "Israel
Subject: RE: 9-10
I've had precognition dreams also. So I will ask this, did you
document this dream in a diary or just told people by word of
mouth? I have been keeping a diary of my dreams since the age of
15,(I'm now 49) and any precognitic dreams can then be
substantiated and verified. It is a worthwhile project and I do
think it very important in your case.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 446
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Path
From: Anonymous
2. Horrible Room
From: Anonymous
3. moms worst nightmare
From: Anonymous
4. teeth
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:40:10 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Path
dream_title: Path
dream_date: 17.4.02
dreamer_name: pollyg
dream_text: Walking with friends, they walk ahead and I find
myself unable to follow as the bushes by the path start to grow
and block my path, so I'm forced to walk another route. I'm not
overly concerned. I see them up ahead but they are too far
away, the bushes are guiding me down another path. But I'm still
not worried. I end up at a subway station and decide to go to a
friend's family flat which I know will be empty. I climb up
narrow stairs and the door is open and a seedy looking man is in
the bed. I ask him what he is doing there and he said he found
the door open and decided to stay there. He looks really
slimy/conman. I say he has to leave and he says no, he won't .
Just then my friend's uncle comes up the stairs and asks what is
happening. I try to explain that this man just decided to move
in. The man suddenly says that I said he could stay in the flat
and it was all my fault. The uncle believe the man and says he is
disappointed in me. I try to explain that the man is lying but
the uncle doesn't believe me. I'm really upset because I haven't
done anything wrong and I want to explain. I wake up, and try to
get back into the dream because I want to explain that I haven't
done anything wrong.
dream_comments: The fact that these bushes kept growing and
guiding me down a different path is interesting. That fact that
I'm not scared. Have no idea about the flat, my friends uncle or
the conman.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:46:41 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Horrible Room
dream_title: Horrible Room
dream_date: 4/19/2002
dreamer_name: confused
dream_text: I hope this is not too weird. Ok, I was at college and
I met a guy that I liked and wanted to spend time with. We went
to his room and we had sex, I started my period. I went to the
restroom, came back and he was gone but there were 3 girls who
were peeking through the doors trying to see who was in this guys
room. I couldn't find my shoe and the girls were going around to
the side of the room and so I opened the door. They just laughed
at me and walked away. A few minutes of nothing went on and the
guy came back and told me that he was really interested in me and
wanted to see me more. I asked him who the girls were and he
opened the door and they appeared again. They talked to him for
awhile and then one of them said that she was making up my
schedule for the next semester. She looked at me with, a your not
gonna like it either look and they walked away. I went back into
the room to talk to the guy and all of the sudden mice could be
heard from everywhere. I saw them everywhere and he acted like it
was nothing. I couldn't believe what I was seeing and why he was
so calm, so I started screaming and jumping around till I scared
them away ( I didn't see them any more) but I could still hear
the sounds they were making. Horrified enough, I asked him why I
could still hear them and he goes to a dark corner and holds up a
half dead, no feathered, huge bird. I asked him what that was and
he said a pelican. He said that he saved it. Then I wake up.
dream_comments: This dream scared and confused me so bad that I
could not go back to sleep. Please help me figure this one out. I
tried what you said to do in one of the links, but it didn't make
sense.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:45:55 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: moms worst nightmare
dream_title: moms worst nightmare
dream_date: 4/8/02-4/12/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: My 1 year old daughter ran out into the street and got
hit by a car.
dream_comments: help me!
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:45:13 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: teeth
dream_title: teeth
dream_date: 4-17-02
dreamer_name: lee
dream_text: i had a dream my teeth were hurting and when i woke up
my teeth were hurting.
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