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November 2002
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++ Editor's Notes
Special Issue: N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E.S
++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com
++ Cover Artist: Shawn Sao
"Atomic Triplicity"
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Article: How Are You Sleeping?
By Linda Lane Magall¢n
++ Article: To Spin A Twisted Tale
By Tony Elliott
++ Article: A Report On The World Dreams Peace Bridge
By Jean Campbell
++ Article: Virtual Reality Dreaming: Wave of the Future?
By E. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D.
D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Volume #570 - #579
With Elizabeth Westlake and Harry Bosma
D E A D L I N E :
November 13th deadline for December 2002 submissions
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Welcome to the November 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal
to dreams and dreaming online.
If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the
resources you need. To join send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
News about the News: Besides the regular events and calander that
Peggy Coats gathers for us each month, the Global Dreaming News
has a special Annual Web Site Updater, with links sent in to us
over the year (Halloween to Halloween usually).
If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send
them to her at web@dreamtree.com
Lucy Gillis offers a selection from the Lucid Dream Exchange this
month on sounds in dreams. This month's excerpt is a description
of some musical lucid dreams experienced by Ralf Penderak.
Linda Lane Magall¢n explores the classic REM theories to find the
best conditions for you to get in some good sleep and dreaming. Be
sure to read "How Are You Sleeping?" and get a good night's rest.
Tony Elliott has been plagued by many nightmares over the last few
years and turned the experience into a story. In "To Spin A
Twisted Tale" Tony shares a piece of this story in poetic form.
How can dreams and dreaming contribute to world peace? Jean
Campbell summaries a year of experimentation by a group that meets
regularly on the worlddreams discussion list. Be sure to read "A
Report On The World Dreams Peace Bridge" and join in the effort to
bring peace to all humankind.
For decades Ed Kellogg, Ph.D. as been researching alternative
dream modalities and bringing the dream community up to date on
advanced theoretical studies in these areas. In "Virtual Reality
Dreaming: Wave of the Future?" Ed explores what impact the
cultural saturation of VR may have on our dreaming life through a
lucid dream he had that was about simulated reality.
The Dream Section, wonderfully edited by Elizabeth Westlake with
the help of Harry Bosma's programming, is full of dreams sent in
to us over the last month. Dream Markets, flying, sex, strange
weddings and more await you in the Dream Section!
If you have dreams you want published, don't send them to
Elizabeth directly, but rather enter them in the form at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
Or you can put them in the dream flow directly by subscribing to:
dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
We don't send the cover with the e-zine, but you can view,
download and print up a copy anytime at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers/
Cover artist:
Shawn Allen O'Neal is a visual artist and musician residing in
Oklahoma. His work ranges from pencil and ink, oil painting and
portraiture, collage and manipulated digital photography to
audiovisual installation works and performances. email:
saosd@aol.com
Please read more about the wonderful cover this month in "Atomic
Triplicity" below.
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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to
stop by one of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
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Next Month: Anthropology and Dreams. Deadline for articles, Oct
11th. Send to rcwilk@dreamgate.com
-Richard Wilkerson
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G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S
November 2002
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
web@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Dreaming Beyond Borders
- Awaken to the Wisdom of Dreams
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Dreams of Wondrous Joy
- Aggressive Womens' Dreams Needed
- Dream Team TV Show Needs Dreams
- L.A. Dreamers Needed for TV Show
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Annual Dream Link Update
Tons of new Dream Sites!
DREAM CALENDAR for November 2002
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>>> Dreaming Beyond Borders: The Transformative Power of
Dreams, November 2 and 3, 2002, John F. Kennedy University
Orinda, California
A Regional Conference of The Association for the Study
of Dreams Sponsored by the Dream Studies Certificate Program,
Graduate School of Holistic Studies
Through the ages, dreams have been a source of
creative inspiration, personal growth, problem solving
and spiritual insight. While the twentieth century was
marked by important discoveries about the unconscious
and the dreaming mind, the turn of the millennium is
giving us the opportunity to reflect and envision a
new dream for the advancement of human consciousness.
What archetypes are embodied at this historical moment
and what transformations are possible through dreams?
Could dream awareness lead us to global peace? How
might dreams be a catalyst for social change? This
conference will address these important possibilities. For
complete conference information, including presentation
descriptions, call 925.258.1822 or visit
www.ASDreams.org/2002orinda. One-day registration fees for either
Saturday, November 2 or Sunday, November 3 are: $125 General, $100
ASD Member, $75 Student, $60 ASD Student Member. Two-day
registration registration fees are: $225 General, $180 ASD Member,
$135 Student, $110 ASD Student Member. To register by phone,
please call 925-254-0105. To register by mail, visit:
www.ASDreams.org/2002orinda to download and print a registration
form.
>>>Awaken to the Wisdom of Dreams
Saturday, November 2, 2002, 9:30am-4:30pm, Emory University
Enjoy a day of dreaming with some of the foremost leaders in the
field of
dreams. Be part of the first Southeastern event co-sponsored by
the Association for the Study of Dreams and the Center for
Lifelong Learning at Emory University
ú Learn to use your dreams for a deeper self-understanding, leading
to
greater life fulfillment.
ú Explore the use of dreams throughout history.
ú Examine creativity and problem solving through dreams.
ú Discover how dreams can aid health, healing, personal growth and
guide
you through life's passages.
ú Experience a dream group and learn to make meaning of your
dreams.
ú Enjoy a selection of books on dreams which will be available for
sale.
To secure a place, register soon!! Register on-line (secure) at
www.emory.edu/eve (Master Card and Visa), by phone at 404-727-6000
from 9-4 (EST), or mail in registration form. $80 complimentary
lunch (vegetarian, too) $65 for ASD members (join at ASDreams.org)
You will be notified of conference location after registration For
more information contact: Justina Lasley at DrmKpr@aol.com or 233
South Plaza Court, Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464 Tallulah Lyons at
blyons@mindspring.com or 3082 Old Cabin Lane, Smyrna, GA 30080
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>>>Dreams that Have Inspired Wondrous Joy
I am gathering descriptions of dreams by a dream conversation, an
awe-inspiring setting, a melody, a beautiful painting, or a joyful
encounter with an animal. Your dream may have inspired wondrous
joy through a delicious taste, a soul-energizing touch, a scent
that overwhelms you with delight, a sound that soothes ... a color
that enchants you ... Fully describe your own and others' feelings
during the dream. Please include permission to use your dream
descriptions in my research and writing projects. I also need your
age, gender, race, nationality, and if possible, the background
events and feelings that preceded your inspiring dream. I don't
need your name and identifying information will be changed to
ensure anonymity. One of the additional purposes of this research
is to provide a source of inspiring dream images fro artists,
writers, musicians, dancers, etc. Contact: Karen Boileau
dreamofjoy@aol.com . Karen F. Boileau, M.Ed., is a writer,
community education instructor, dream counselor, and workshop
facilitator. Karen has written several workbooks for her dream
workshops and courses: "Artists Dreaming Joy"; "What Did You Dream
Last Night?"; "Lose Weight Using Right-Brain Techniques"; and,
"Stress, Dreams, and Intuition."
>>> Aggressive Womens'Dreams Needed
Erica Andermatt and I are currently working on the book "Woman
with knife". We collect and analyze dreams and daydreams of women,
in which they are aggressive, wild, violent and murderous... We
try to answer questions like "What is aggression?", "How can a
woman handle this power?", "How can we take the knife in our hands
and be aware of not cutting our fingers?" and others. If you would
like to contribute aggressive dreams or daydreams? The most nasty,
wicked and cruel ones? Then please send your mail to
johanna_vedral@hotmail.com If you would like so, send it
anonymous. But please tell us your age, your marital status and
your occupation. If you would like to go into a dialogue about
your dreams/ daydreams, please tell us, too, and we will contact
you!
>>> Dream Team T.V. Show Needs Dreams
Calling all dreamers! The SCI FI Channel is looking for guests for
their new series, "The Dream Team with Annabelle and Michael." All
you have to do is call or e-mail us with your dream (be sure to
include your name and phone number), and you might be picked for a
personal dream analysis on the show! Guests will be featured live
in studio, via satellite, and by phone. Please call 323.520.5683
or
email tvdreams02@yahoo.com. And pleasant dreams...
>>> L.A. Dreamers Needed for T.V. Show
The Berman sisters (a medical doctor and a psychologist) have a TV
show and are planning an episode on dreaming. They are looking for
dreamers who live in the L.A. area. If you live in that area and
have
some interesting dreams that have influenced your life, contact
Laurie Dash at (818) 755-4800 ext. 170. You may have a chance to
be on television!
http://health.discovery.com/fansites/bermans/bermans.html
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with
others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the
word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a
public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or
her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to
the links page to us
>>>>>> Annual Link Updates <<<<<<<
New additions to dreams and dreaming online for 2002
Each year, the Global Dreaming News collects together the best new
dream links added to the Electric Dreams Resources and Links Page.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/
If your link is not on here, be sure to send that to
web@dreamtree.com and it will be included in next month's Global
Dreaming News.
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>>> Pegasus Dreaming Update
*Poets of Consciousness* by Robert Moss,
exploring poets as shamans of words:
http://www.suite101.com/mypage.cfm/PegasusDreaming/21233
*Tarot and the Writing Process* by Stephen Walter
Sterling, using Tarot to help with writing and
also to deal with intense post-9/11 feelings:
http://www.suite101.com/mypage.cfm/PegasusDreaming/21223
*Sample Card & Reading from S. Kaplan Williams
Dream Cards Deck*
http://www.suite101.com/mypage.cfm/PegasusDreaming/21180
As I may have already informed you there is a new
anthology of 9/11 poems called *An Eye for an Eye
Makes the Whole World Blind* (in which I have a
poem). It is now available from www.amazon.com
Pegasus Dreaming, where dreams, poetry and Tarot are explored in
articles, quotes, links, creative writing by over 80 authors, and
more.
http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/PegasusDreaming
>>> Dream Interpetations from YieldofDreams
www.yieldofdreams.com
Colette Kelso received a BA in psychology, cum laude, from the
University of Colorado. She has a MFA in creative writing from
Bennington College. She has spent many years involved with symbols
and their manifestation in dreams, art, and our waking life. In
interpreting a dream, she goes through the description sentence by
sentence, making notes by hand, elaborating, conjecturing. The
recounting of the dream is as significant as the symbols and
activities within the dream. She looks at each piece separately as
a metaphor, a message, and then puts the pieces all back together
into a final interpretation, which is what you read in the end.
She takes the time to stop and think and allow the meaning to come
through and make sense. "I have been interpreting dreams for many
years. My criteria for success in this area is based upon the
feedback of the dreamers. I don't simply tell a dreamer what a
dream means based on my experience, nor do I utilize a
standardized dictionary of symbols because I don't believe in
their general application. A dreamer must feel as if their world
is understood or that something personal and relevant has been
revealed. That is the "a-ha" feeling we get when something rings
true at a deep level. I wish that everyone could get that
pleasurable feeling!" Colette Kelso www.yieldofdreams.com
>>>Dreams and the Genetic Code : Can we slow the aging process
with increased REM?
http://www.dreams-genes.info/
brad_bartholomew@yahoo.com
>>>Luminous Dreams
http://luminousdreams.blogspot.com
An archive for you to leave your luminous dreams, or read what
others have left.
>>>Dream Network Online
http://dreamnetwork.net/subinfo.html
Get your issues of Dream Network online!
Same high quality content, color, foreign readers pay no
additional mailing costs, save trees
>>>Dream Discussion Board at Truedreams.
http://communities.msn.com/TRUEDREAMS
High-energy hosting from "prophet" makes this dream venue a highly
interactive area that is responsive to dreams from a spiritual
perspective.
>>> Maria Jos Estival's Religare Page
http://www.religare.na-web.net/
Maria Jos Estival from Brazil offers an archetypal journey online
mixing personal and transpersonal material. The site has many java
graphics of alchemical symbolism, Blake's pictures and many other
Jungian mythographics. It is in both Portuguese and English and
full of dreams.
>>> Twisk Dream Database
http://www.twisk.com/
An online dream database. The navigation panel on top of each
page makes it easy to see the newest submissions, to find dreams
on a specific topic, to search for (N)ightmares, (L)ucid dreams,
(R)ecurring dreams, or any combination of those. You can also
look up all dreams of a specific dreamer, or just let the code
pick a random dream (again, here you can specify whether you're
looking for (L),(N) or (R)). If you have posted dreams yourself,
and you're logged in, there's an extra button to 'list your own
dreams'. Each dream has it's own discussion popup window, dreamer
profile window, and the option to forward the dream to a friend.
In this version, dreamers need to log in, before they can post
dreams or join discussions. This way they don't have to provide
all their info over and over (they can just update their profile
if they want to), and it's no longer possible for two people to
use the same
nickname. The layout has deliberately been kept simple to keep it
fast loading and easy on the eyes.
>>> Dreams v1.1 for Palm PDA
Palm OS Freeware
Software Site http://www.sennhauser.com/dreams/
>>> Online Survey: Digital Objects
Are you having dreams about computers? There is a collision that
is taking place between technology and humanity. This survey is
interested in how the analog human dreams about digital objects,
about robots, cyborgs, androids and other beings and scenarios
that look at the human-machine interface. Be sure to drop off your
computer dreams and fill out the survey at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/computers/
>>> The Collective Unconscious Project
http://tcup.currentform.com/
Create an account, log dreams in the database and then explore
other similar dreams via keywords and other correspondences. Float
around in a immanent collective unconscious created by
similarities between your dream and other dreams.
>>> Electric Dreams Dream Library
http://dreamgate.com/dream/library/
The EDreams library was updated and upgraded this year. Here you
will find links to all the Electric Dreams resources as well as
special projects by DreamGate, DreamTree, ASD and other dream
sites. Dreamwork, psychology, paranormal dreaming, postmodern
dreaming, dream science, dream interpretation, dream art ,
publications, dream groups, and much, much more.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library/
>>> How to Become a Dreamworkers without going through all the
Hoops
Jeremy Taylor takes you through the ropes of grassroots
dreamwork.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/electric-
dreams/dreamworker_alternative.htm
>>> Sleep Site includes Dreaming Articles
http://sommeil.univ-lyon1.fr/articles/te2e.html
The Sleep, Dreams and Wakefulness site hosts a 50,000 article
database on Sleep and Dreams. While the site is mostly for sleep,
not dream, research, some real gems in dream research can be found
there.
>>> 3-year Professional Training on Dreams & Consciousness
Strephon Kaplan-Williams conducts 3-year Professional Training on
Dreams & Consciousness. A new training will start from September
2002 in the Netherlands. For more information contact Ella
Boeren: ella@dreamwork2000.com or visit:
http://dreamwork2000.com/nederlands/nederlandss.html
>>> School of Metaphysics Dream Hotline
www.dreamschool.org
The 14th Annual National Dream Hotline will be April 26 - 28. For
the entire weekend the School will have volunteer dream experts
who interpret dreams and answer questions about dreams by phone.
No charge for the service other than the long distance call. E-
mails will also be accepted on a daily basis from people who want
dreams interpreted, and these will posted on the website.
>>> Dream Art of Chris Witkowski
http://www.artdreaming.com/Dreams_pastels/Dreams_past.htm
In the words of the artist: "I have kept a dream journal since
1987. Within the context of what I call "everyday" dreams, I am
visited by the creatures you see in these paintings. Most are
birds. But animals, insects, humans and objects also make their
appearance in amazingly colorful circumstances and scenarios. Once
I choose an image to work with, it begins another life. It is
important that they look real, as if you might walk outside and
see a pink and turquoise grosbeak. I call this process dreaming
the dream onwards. As I give the images form through my painting,
they often surprise me with a message or meaning beyond what was
revealed by the dream."
>>> Central Premonitions Registry update
http://mainportals.com/precog.shtml
>>> Kevin Wilson's Dream Art
http://www.insomnium.co.uk/index.htm
Kevin Wilson's collection of dream inspired photos, videos, Flash
movies and more.
>>> Autodrama and Creative Dream Restaging
November 16 &17 Amersfoort Holland
Exploring the imagery of Dreams and Problem Solving with Ann Sayre
Wiseman. A way to deepen understanding of the metaphors
of the night mind. Contact: herminemensink@hotmail.com or visit
www.annsayrewiseman.com
>>>Marin Institute for Projective Dream Work
Dream Work Certificate Program. The program features weekend work
in San Rafael, CA with Jeremy Taylor; pay as you go; take as long
as you need; and small groups. "Projective dream work assumes that
thoughts we have about the dreams of others reflect our own
internal lives. When we comment on someone else's dream we're
really saying `if it were my dream....'" (Jeremy Taylor). For more
information, visit http://www.jeremytaylor.com/marin.htm
>>> Dream Survey : Are you having dreams about Islam?
http://dreamgate.com/dreamsofislam/
We are two Western Muslims, a British educator and an American
writer, who are interested both in how dreams relate to the
spiritual life, and in how Islam is presently perceived by Muslims
and non-Muslims both in the west and in traditionally Muslim
lands. We hope to collaborate on a book with the provisional title
of Dreams of Islam. We are looking for striking or significant
dreams about Islam from both Muslims and non-Muslims, dreams which
have had a strong impact on you the dreamer, whether or not you
think the content would seem "interesting" to an outsider. The
Islamic content could refer to people, events, places, beliefs,
practices, symbols, memories or associations, architecture, works
of art, written or spoken words - anything specifically Islamic,
or with an Islamic flavor.
You can fill out the survey at the website, or download the
questions: http://dreamgate.com/dreamsofislam/ . For more
information, contact Charles Upton : E-mail uptonjenny@hotmail.com
>>> Dreams and CRC Theory
http://www.mediaproxy.com/crc/crc.htm
Michael Coop presents speculations on his general CRC theory
(Comprehension, Rationalisation & Conclusion, the mechanisms by
which people recognize and respond to their surroundings) using
dreams and dreaming for illustration and example.
>>>Marin Institute for Projective Dream Work
Dream Work Certificate Program. The program features weekend work
in San Rafael, CA with Jeremy Taylor; pay as you go; take as long
as you need; and small groups. "Projective dream work assumes that
thoughts we have about the dreams of others reflect our own
internal lives. When we comment on someone else's dream we're
really saying `if it were my dream....'" (Jeremy Taylor). For more
information, visit http://www.jeremytaylor.com/marin.htm
>>> The Daily Analyst
Discussion of dreams and psychoanalysis in Dutch.
Hosted by Willem J Linschoten
willem.linschoten@hccnet.nl
http://home.hccnet.nl/willem.linschoten
>>> Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD)
http://www.asdreams.org
What's new this year at ASD?
ASD Paranormal Dreaming Forum:
http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy/index.htm
Dream Telepathy Contests online
ASD Art Exhibits
http://www.asdreams.org/subidxshowart.htm
Dream Art from 2001 and 2002 Conferences
ASD journal Dreaming
http://www.asdreams.org/journal/articles/index.htm
Over 25 articles from the peer reviewed journal Dreaming
ASD Regional Conferences
http://asdreams.org/conferences/2002cincinnati/crisis_to_creativit
y.htm
Report from Cincinnati with pictures and interviews
ASD Research Projects
http://www.asdreams.org/research/research_idx.htm
Become a subject in dream research
ASD Dream Time Magazine
http://www.asdreams.org/magazine/articles/index.htm
Over 20 articles and interviews
ASD Conference Audio Tapes
http://www.fltwood.com/onsite/asdreams/2002/
Conference 2002 cassettes of presentations at Tufts
ASD Bookshop
http://www.asdreams.org/idxbookshop.htm
Dream books and dream products from ASD
ASD E-study Groups
http://www.asdreams.org/study/index.htm
New discussion groups on Dreams and Dreaming
ASD Bulletin Board
http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm
Always new discussions on the topic of dreams and dreaming
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D R E A M C A L E N D A R
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Nov 1-10 in Kalani, Hawaii
Lucid Dreaming Residential Training Program with Stephen LaBerge.
For information, or to register:
http://www.lucidity.com/DAAK02 or call +1 650 321-9969 or 1 800 GO
LUCID (1 800 465-8243)or email daak02f@lucidity.com
Nov 2 in Atlanta, GA
Awakening to the Wisdom of the Dream. Presenters include Deirdre
Barrett, Robert Van de Castle, Rita Dwyer and Justina Lasley. For
further info, contact Justina at P.O.Box 52323, Atlanta, GA,
30355, E-mail drmkpr@aol.com or Tallulah Lyons, 3082 Old Cabin
Lane, Smyrna, GA 30080, e-mail blyons@mindspring.com( 9:30 AM-
4:30PM)
Nov 2-3 in Orinda, CA
Dreaming Beyond Borders Conference, sponsored by ASD and the Dream
Studies Program at JFK University. For more information, contact
the ASD Information Office at 925-258-1822 or Dream Studies
Program at JFKU at 925/258-7322
Nov 9 in Marin County, CA
Dream Day By the Bay -- Lorraine Almeida, MFA, leads an all day
dream/art workshop in Marshall (on Highway 1 along Tomales Bay in
Marin County) email Lorraine for info at: lorraine@svn.net
Nov 16-17 in Amersfoort, Holland
Creative Dream Re-Staging with Anne Sayre Wiseman. A way to deepen
understanding of the metaphors of the night mind. Contact:
herminemensink@hotmail.com
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Atomic Triplicity
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Electric Dreams Cover for November 2002:
Title: Atomic Triplicity
Statement:
The mandalic feature of this image is a digitally realized version
of a small colored pencil sketch I executed many years ago on the
cover of my first personal dream journal. It was a very simplified
depiction of a brief hypnogogic adventure in which I saw myself--
or "myselves"--as a series of cross-sectioned concentric spheres,
each containing a unique world peculiar to its own radiant set of
senses, yet all moving together in transformative unison, the
events and objects in any given world having 'explicate' versions
in every other world.
This series of realities seemed infinite in either direction 'up
or down' the sequence of encapsulated worlds, but the most vivid
impression was of a universal principle of 'atomic triplicity' and
the 'suspension' of what we know and experience as the 'physical
self/world' between what I would generalize as being the
'imagining self/world' and the 'dreaming self/world.'
While it seemed fairly logical that the innermost world should
contain the mental constructs of imagination which we think of,
after all, as being 'inside our head,' the clear but initially
somewhat counterintuitive implication was that the dreaming self
occupied an order of reality beyond the physical world--and was
capable of seeing the true nature of the ultimate 'outer reality'
with less filters, in a sense closer to the implicate order
of the universe.
Certainly I would make no claim that this is in fact the way that
reality is constructed, but it did seem to fall in line with
certain existing theories of the 'astral body' and the 'astral
plane' which I would subsequently discover, as well as some of my
own 'out of body'--or 'in my astral body'--experiences.
After the passage of much time, it is my feeling that perhaps this
diagram is as misleading as it is informative, but may represent
some limited insights about some aspects of dreaming, such as,
perhaps, how the dreaming self seems to deal with time in a unique
way, often gathering precognitive information from an ocean of
probabilities.
Bio:
Shawn Allen O'Neal is a visual artist and musician residing in
Oklahoma. His work ranges from pencil and ink, oil painting and
portraiture, collage and manipulated digital photography to
audiovisual installation works and performances. email:
saosd@aol.com
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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Each issue of LDE features a dream theme. Sound in lucid dreams is
the topic of our current "Dream Themes". Readers sent in various
reports of music in their lucid dreams, singing, hearing voices,
etc. This month's excerpt is a description of some musical lucid
dreams experienced by Ralf Penderak.
Musical Lucid Dreams
(c) Ralf Penderak
Bedtime: 2100 (I am tired, spent all the day playing with my son,
sometimes 24 hours are not enough)
I wake up at 0140, take short notices of two dreams. (In one of
them I fly around the world, passing the Golden Gate Bridge, too.
Did anyone see me?) I put on the Novadreamer mask and start a
relaxation exercise. I percept cues and the dream alarm twice, I
see them flashing red. Then I see white flashes. Immediately I
know, that I'm dreaming...
Lucid Choir with Ego-Aspects, 07 06 2000
... but this time I'm not too excited. I feel drowsy. I'm sitting
in a room with some (6-7) men. They are approximately as old as I
am. We are sitting in a circle. I remember that my lucid dreams
often vanish if I try to fly. What shall I do? I'm asking my co-
dreamers: "Dear aspects of my ego ... (sounds strange to me) ...
shall I fly or shall I sing?" One man is laughing and says: "You
should better sing." I know he is laughing because he knows I like
to sing, but he also knows that I'm not always sure whether my
singing is welcome. I start singing. A simple melody, made of five
notes. I use the sound "Aaaahh". The "h" sounds strange,
different, than in waking life singing. But I don't mind. I repeat
the simple line several times. After some time my companions start
singing this line, too. Sounds and feels good. Then I want to do
an experiment. I sing a variation of the theme on a higher level.
The others remain singing the theme. This is a lucid choir! I'm
very satisfied. I sing some other variations, everything feels
good. Now I wonder, what will happen, if I go back to the theme.
For some time all people sing with one voice. But then alternating
singers create variations of their own. Very good.
I have no more memory of this dream. Maybe it has been the dream
alarm to interrupt it.
I'm a Lucid Wave, March 28 2002
I'm in a house. I'm singing and playing guitar in one room. It is
a cover version of a well-known song, maybe U2. I sing with all my
heart and a voice incomparable to waking life. It is so ecstatic
to make and be in this wonderful music (only a few times did I
experience this level of ecstasy while performing waking life
music). After the song I leave the room, enter the floor. I do
some hovering and flying exercises. There is a young woman
watching me. I show her that one doesn't need to flutter wildly,
but tenderly. (In the dream I seemed to be reminded of a waking
life experience the day before yesterday. Some perfect minutes
outside in early spring's sun, all by myself and serene, enjoying
the uplifting view of seagulls circling in a thermal, nearly
effortless, in harmony with the natural forces. After they reach a
great height, they fly in a perfectly straight line towards the
Baltic Sea, which is some miles off. Seemingly without moving one
feather. In this moments I conceive why men since primitive times
have the ineffaceable desire to fly.)
I lift myself up and hover right beneath the ceiling. I look down
and see that my foot still touches ground. Hmm. I do some jumps.
Sometimes staying longer in the air, sometimes landing on my
belly. I wonder why it doesn't work all the time until it dawns on
me that I'm dreaming. I immediately wake up. But don't move.
Instead of hand rubbing I decide to use guitar playing to re-enter
the dreamstate. I focus on the feeling of body, of guitar in hand
and striking of the strings, not on the sound. After some seconds
the feeling gets more and more realistic. Now I can hear the
sound, too. The longer I play, the larger vibrations I experience.
It feels like the dreambody morphs into waves of sounds, except
the arms, which keep playing the guitar. It is an ecstatic
experience. I'm happy that I've come that far in my dream-
practice. But unfortunately I still seem not to be able to "bear"
this ecstasy for more than some seconds. (But I can say that I'm
getting better in the "enjoying - exercise".) I force the dream
body to let go of physical body with the intention to enter
another dream. But this seems to be too hard to try. Dreambody
vanishes. I turn and doze into another non-lucid dream.
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How Are You Sleeping?
2002 Linda Lane Magall¢n
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Dreamers are such a deep lot
Then REMing with all that they've got
They enter just right
4 to 8 times a night
Whether they want to or not
The Stages Of Sleep
In the mid-twentieth century, laboratory scientists discovered
that we experience our most vivid, detailed and movie-like dreams
when our eyes are moving quickly back and forth underneath our
eyelids. Hence the name, Rapid Eye Movement, or REM. The period of
REM is longest for folks who are acquiring new information:
infants and students, for example. It becomes shorter as we grow
older and if we have fewer new experiences. REM sleep boosts
memory and learning. People test better with a night of REM sleep
than without. During REM sleep the large muscles of the body are
relaxed, even paralyzed. The arms, legs and torso are limp.
Breathing is irregular, brain temperature and blood flow soar, the
muscles of the middle ear contract and the face twitches.
The time between the start of one REM period and the next is about
90 minutes. This is same "fantasy cycle" that occurs in the waking
state, although we are usually not aware of it unless we are at
rest and tracking our random thoughts. The peak of the cycle
favors highly emotional thoughts and images, just the sort that
result in dramatic dreams when we close out the outer environment
during sleep. The first REM sleep period may be only 5 minutes in
length, but it can last as long as an hour close to morning. The
dream drama shifts from quick previews to a full-length feature
film. In fact, about 50 percent of REM dreaming time will occur in
the last 2 hours of sleep. So, when you are trying to recall
dreams, this is the best time to retrieve them.
We can also dream in non-REM periods, although those dreams tend
to be more thought-like and analytical. This is the ebb of the
fantasy cycle. In the waking state, we are able to better
concentrate on our immediate surroundings and concrete problems.
In the dream state, we are more concerned with mundane life than
imaginative fantasy. During non-REM sleep, there is little brain
activity, steady pulse, regular heartbeat. And a lot of snoring.
But in the lighter stages of sleep, motor activity is not blocked,
so our bodies are free to move about, although we rarely do more
than roll over in bed. Actually, a "restless night's sleep," is
likely due to us coming to the brink of wakefulness, shifting
around, then returning to the sleep state.
The entire sleep cycle is a trip through different states of
consciousness. At the start of the night we begin at alpha, our
drowsy, conscious mode and then slip through four stages of non-
REM sleep. Each stage puts more and more distance between us and
the external environment.
The last two stages are called delta. In delta, there are no large
body movements, unless sleep-talking or sleep-walking occur. Deep,
or delta sleep, is mostly non-dreaming type of sleep. Deep sleep
helps battle infection and depression. It's the rejuvenating sort
of sleep that combats mental and physical fatigue and restores a
sense of well-being.
Delta occurs during the first couple of sleep cycles. So,
extending your stay in bed will produce only more shallow sleep.
This is great for certain types of dream recall, like lucid
dreaming, but not for good sleep hygiene. Despite romantic
metaphor, REM is not a descent into the depths of the underworld
of sleep. It's actually quite close to the waking state of
consciousness.
How To Get A Good Night's Sleep
What's the first step to dream health? I suggest you start at the
most basic level - look to the condition of your body. Forget
trying to dream. Get a good night's sleep. Deep, deep, dreamless
sleep. Allow your mind-body the chance to rest and recuperate from
the pressures of the day.
Is this approach bad for dreaming? I don't think so. In the
laboratory, attempts to prevent REM sleep always produced a
"rebound" effect. Once the inhibitor was removed, there was an
extraordinary increase in REM. So taking a vacation from dream
recall might actually encourage your psyche to return to dreaming
with renewed vigor.
The dreamers I know try different tricks to lure slumber. Some are
quite involved, others basic common sense. For instance, Colin
told me, "If I've been watching an action TV program or the news,
I'll look at some nature video or something that's more passive
before going to bed." I agree: the stimulus of our daytime
existence can agitate us, and putting a buffer between daily life
and sleep is very wise.
Kyla lies on her back, does deep breathing and repeats over and
over, "My brain is very relaxed. My brain is very relaxed."
Nowadays my brain is *too* relaxed, so I have no problem there.
It's my body that needs to unwind, so if I used this mantra, I'd
change the wording to "My body is very relaxed." For me, body
includes the brain.
Over time, I learned that I could get a good night's sleep if I
took some basic precautions.
Close the window to keep out noise. Alternately, let the fan or
heater create "white noise" to mask background sounds. In
addition, an oscillating fan can simulate rocking motions, which
lull even a baby to sleep.
Make sure the bedroom had plenty of fresh air circulating if not
from the window, then open the door to the rest of the house.
Extra oxygen stimulates the brain.
Set the heater at a lower temperature and use extra covers
instead. (Layers allow me to adjust temperature without rising. I
flip the blankets over with my feet, while my torso lies still.)
Cover the digital lights on the clock and computer accessories.
Make sure the hall light is turned off. (Even with my eyes closed,
I can sense the light.)
Make an extra effort to have good sleep during the nights before
a big day. (On the eve of such a day, I can experience loss of
sleep from planning, worrying or too much excited anticipation.
And if the day runs long, I won't have my usual amount of sleep.)
When the body is under-stimulated, exercise more, but not enough
to strain or cramp muscles. You get sleepy due to the fall of body
temperature. Thus exercise four to six hours prior to bedtime will
initially cause your temperature to rise; when it falls, you'll
get drowsy and be more prone to sleep. (This helps on days when
I've been engrossed in computer work.)
Use progressive relaxation for physical tension (that's relaxing
each part of your body, starting with your toes and working your
way up to your head). Some relaxation tapes are useful to this
end.
"Sing" to sleep with soothing tunes from a hand-held tape or CD
player. This is the adult version of a lullaby.
Dull an active mind or distract yourself from worries with
repetitious tasks prior to sleep. (Counting backwards from 100 to
1 or counting sheep are such exercises. Mantras and chants work,
too.)
Switch from logical thinking to fantasy, which is a type of
thought pattern more closely related to sleep, especially dreaming
sleep.
Almost all sleep researchers agree that sleeping pills are
virtually useless and their addictive proclivity makes them a
potential problem. Unfortunately, some drugs, like alcohol,
barbiturates and momoamine oxidase inhibitors, actually suppress
REM if used over an extended period. They also tend to keep you at
lighter levels of slumber. Due to the lack of deep sleep, your
body can take longer to repair and your mind, more time to clear.
So while you're on medication, you may sleep longer. People who
suffer from minor illnesses, influenza and colds are subject to
increased non-REM sleep.
Catnaps during the day throw off the sleep rhythm of the body and
thus should be avoided unless they occur during times when REM
sleep probability is high. If you rise in early morning, your peak
for daytime REM is late morning. The probability falls until the
onset of night sleep, about 12 hours later.
If you do have trouble sleeping, it might be physical arousal:
feeling restless, tossing and turning, sweats and hot flashes. Or
aliments, upset stomach, headaches, wounds, strains and pains.
High stress, premenstrual tension and pregnancy equals the need
for more sleep. As you get older, you don't sleep as deeply as an
infant or child and, often, not as long as you used to.
Or your problem may be mental arousal: rumination, planning,
worrying and difficulty controlling thoughts. The best solution is
to get up and do something physically active.
Check List For A Good Night's Sleep
What factors influence your sleep? I suggest you use a check list
like the one below to review them. As I considered each item on my
list, I judged whether each factor had, overall, a positive,
neutral or negative impact. Some factors I couldn't do much about,
except be aware of their influence. The rest alerted me to areas
where I needed to initiate action. As you read these items, keep
track of your own score. What can you do to improve your sleep?
Where can you just relax and snooze?
1. Genetic endowment (+)
How long do you sleep?
2. Circadian rhythms (-)
Are you a night person (owl) or a morning person (lark)? Do you
take daytime naps? Go to sleep at a regular time?
3. Insomnia (0)
Do you have trouble falling asleep or difficulty staying asleep?
4. Medical condition and medication (-/+)
How's the health of your body and brain? Do you take sleeping
pills, herbs or any medications that influence sleep?
5. Food and drink (0)
When did you last eat? Does hunger or a full bladder awaken you?
6. Alcohol, tobacco and caffeine (+)
When did you last indulge? If you do, it's best several hours
before sleep, perhaps before or with a meal.
7. Environment (+/-)
Do you sleep with a person who snores or with someone who has bad
sleep habits? Are you willing to banish pets from your bedroom
when they infer with your sleep? What's the condition of your
bedding?
8. Location (+)
How insulated are you from noise, light and temperature shifts?
9. Daily exercise (+)
Did you get enough? Or too much, and feel aches and strains?
10. Activities prior to sleep (-/+)
Are you willing to turn off the TV an hour before you go to sleep?
11. Stress and anxiety (-)
What relaxation techniques do you use?
12. Attitude (+)
Do you like to sleep?
Sometimes changing just one item can make a big difference. Hope
you sleep well tonight!
References
Ancoli-Israel, Sonia. All I Want Is a Good Night's Sleep. (St.
Louis: Mosby-Year Book, 1996).
Klinger, Eric. Daydreaming. (Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher,
1990).
LaBerge, Stephen. Lucid Dreaming. (Los Angeles: Jeremy P.
Tarcher, 1985).
Melbourne, D. F. & Keith Hearne. Dream Interpretation: The
Secret. (London: Blandford, 1997).
Perl, James. Sleep Right in Five Nights. (New York: William
Morrow and Company, Inc., 1993).
Shulman, Sandra. Nightmare. (New York: Macmillan Publishing Co.,
1979).
Van de Castle, Robert L. Our Dreaming Mind. (New York:
Ballantine Books, 1994).
Wright, S. "Learning the facts about sleep," Sunday Daily
Ledger-Post Dispatch, Nov. 15, 1987, p. 12.
Linda Lane Magall¢n
Dream Flights
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
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To Spin A Twisted Tale
By Tony Elliott
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I have been plagued by many nightmares over the last few years and
turned the experience into a story of which this poem is a part.
Intro:
Written words are powerful in their unique ability to portray an
image personal to the individual who allows himself to become a
canvas on which the author loosely paints, surpassing all other
forms of media in which one is presented with external
stimulation.
When the sights and sounds of a story are created within the
reader's mind, the result is something that can never be
duplicated over speaker or screen. As each individual will
perceive the story in a slightly different fashion, the images are
as varied as there are people.
Normalcy
In the beginning his life was normal
Like any other small boy
He ran and jumped and had some fun
Not knowing they watched him with evil joy
From his youth he thought he was in control
Things came so easy and fast
Soon he moved beyond friend and peer
Emotions and thoughts kept under tight grasp
As he grew into a man it seemed
He had it pretty good
Health and love, a nice family
Things turned out just as he knew they would
That's when they started to sneak into his thoughts
Taking note of his torment and fears
Knowing the dreams and desires inside
They lay in wait, in dark shadows they hide
From those shadows they reached out and touched him
Slowly draining his soul and strength
Unnoticed by his conscious mind
They did not worry to take their time
Sometimes they would breach through the wall
Causing his eyes to see
The consequence of the battle inside
Into the physical realm did they slide
The things that happened would cause him
To tighten the grip on his soul
Run, run, as fast as you can
But the battle was still too close
As he filled in with shadows and darkness
The sludge filling in every space
Years passed by as he went beyond sighs
'Till he remembered not the way it had been
They carefully planned and waited
The attacks subtle and right on the mark
They wanted to take control of his life
By filling him up with inner strife
He found himself locked in a corner
Bound by deceit and lies from them
Filled with sadness, loneliness and dark melodies
That no one else can see
Weary he rests while the war rages on
Hiding from enemy's shots
In a foxhole he camped while they searched him out
He watched them laugh as they cast his lot
Decades passed as they lay in wait
Locked away from his open view
Emotions and feelings in a stranglehold trapped
Seething inside with them like boiling wax
The sludge bubbled and popped, spewing despair
The waves hit with relentless force
Confusion ran deep as he fought for a glimpse
Of truth and reality
Over the years, fed by their lies, incredible sadness advanced
Diligently stealing his hope and his joy
Replaced with solemn misery
Finding out they had stolen his years
At last, no more did he have any tears
2000 Tony Elliott
If you are interested in the full book, please contact me at
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A Report On The World Dreams Peace Bridge
Jean Campbell
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When the World Dreams Peace Bridge began a little over a year ago,
it was a spontaneous response to the terrorist attacks of
September 11. The idea I proposed to a number of friends and
fellow dreamers was that possibly, if people all over the world
would dream together, we might dream the world toward peace. The
story of the World Dreams Peace Bridge was told in a paper,
presented at the 2002 conference of the Association for the Study
of dreams. That paper can be found here
http://dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/ed9-7.txt
The first project of the World Dreams Peace Bridge was a Yahoo
discussion group, which dreamers can still join by sending a post
to worlddreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. Around fifty people
belong to the group, which discusses ideas, projects and dreams.
Members contribute art and photographs, conduct meditations and
vigils.
One of the first projects to grow out of the World Dreams Peace
Bridge was a dance story, "The Crow and the Phoenix," dreamed and
choreographed by Valley Reed of Dallas, Texas, and danced by her
and two other professional dancers at the April ASD regional
meeting in Cincinnati, Ohio. To read the story of this dance and
see photos of its production, go here From the Cincinnati
Regional ASD Program
http://asdreams.org/conferences/2002cincinnati/crow_and_phoenix.ht
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Most recently, after a dream recorded by Jeremy Seligson in Korea,
the members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge have been working on
a Peace Train project. Several groups of school children are
already at work, creating Peace Trains to send around the world,
but adults can create Peace Trains as well. The Peace Train
project is a work in progress, but you can see where we are to
date by going to Peace Train
(http://www.alphalink.net.au/~mermaid/peacetrain.html)
Victoria Quinton in Australia (who created the preceding web page)
has also created an interesting twist on the Peace Train idea by
both sending colored candles to people and asking them to light a
candle for peace, and also by starting a peace candle project at
nervousness.com NERVOUS Industries: Peace trains
Of course, all this activity continues to expand, as more dreamers
find support in growing dreams of peace. The World Dreams Peace
Bridge has now reached the point where it has begun to develop its
own web site, under the creative artistry of Elizabeth Diaz of
California, and with the support of The iMAGE Project, a nonprofit
research and education organization.
Watch here for updates on the World Dreams Peace Bridge, or join
us as we dream the world toward peace.
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Virtual Reality Dreaming:
Wave of the Future?
by E. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D.
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(A modified and expanded version of: "A Virtual Reality Dream: And
Now for Something Completely Different ..." 2002 E. W. Kellogg
III, Ph.D., a paper published in The Lucidity Exchange, Number
22, April 2002)
The movie The Matrix vividly portrays a world where computer
technology has become so advanced that a simulated physical
reality has become indistinguishable from the 'real' thing.
Although virtual reality (VR) today does not seem anywhere as
realistic, given the current rate of advancement of computer
technology (according to "Moore's Law" computer processing speed
doubles every 18 months) that day will arrive in the not so
distant future.
Of course, dreams already provide us with a kind of 'VR', one in
which simulations of all of the physical senses can potentially
play a part. Also, our dream life both reflects and incorporates
elements of our waking experience - so much so that our dreams
today in many ways differ greatly from that of earlier
generations. Movies and television have allowed us to
vicariously experience everything from baking cookies to exploring
distant galaxies, and we have incorporated these experiences into
our dreams. Still, however hypnotic, these light and sound
productions seem rather crude, and viewers must willingly "suspend
disbelief" to experience the full effect. Once perfected,
virtual reality may become perceptually indistinguishable from
'physical reality', or may even credibly simulate the experiences
of the most fantastic dreams.
All this might cause us to wonder - once realistic VR becomes a
part of our waking lives, what impact will it have on our dreaming
lives?
Now, by accepted definition, for a dream to qualify as lucid in a
minimal way, means that dreamers must at least vaguely realize
that they dream while they dream. However, full lucidity requires
far more than this. In a fully lucid dream I think clearly and
remember clearly. I feel an extraordinary sense of self, and have
full command of my intellectual and motivational abilities. But
even if fully aware, dreamers can only recognize that they dream
when they encounter discrepancies between dream phenomena and
waking phenomena. Floating in the air, or seeing that the words
on a sign have changed when you look at it twice, seem obvious
cues. But not every dream displays such cues - some simulate
physical reality seamlessly. For example, 'false awakenings' can
fool even the most experienced lucid dreamers, as memory,
perception, and expectation agree in a way that deceive even the
most clear thinking.
So how will lucid dreamers of the future discriminate between
"dreaming of a virtual reality", and "a virtual reality"? Or will
they? The usual tests won't work. Even the most lucid and clear
thinking of dreamers, might fail the test for lucidity in a
minimal sense by mistaking "a dream of a virtual reality" for the
virtual reality it simulates, failing to realize that they dream
while they dream. What will happen to the simple definition of
dream lucidity then?
Sound farfetched? Well, not to me, because I've already had such
a dream, one of the most incredible dreams that I've ever
experienced. The dream does not qualify as a lucid dream in a
technical sense, because I did not realize that I dreamed while I
dreamed. And yet, my ability to think and to perceive seemed as
lucid, in fact more lucid, than in all but a few of my fully lucid
dreams, where qualitatively I seem at least as 'lucid' as I do in
ordinary physical waking life. I've appended it below as an
example of a new type of dream that although rare now, may soon
become commonplace, as "the shape of dreams to come."
VR Dream
Vol. 47 p 148: 7/8/01 "I virtually drive a race car along a scenic
and deserted race course - a fresh blacktop highway winds through
nicely simulated New England scenery in early autumn - just a
touch of color in a forest of trees and plants in the hills and
valleys I drive through. A mostly visual experience though - not
much in the way of kinesthetic sensation, only a vague sense of
movement. I come to an intersection, and decide for fun to drive
down it the wrong way. I immediately see a car heading towards me,
and switch lanes, and then I see a group of cars by the side of
the road, parked. This looks interesting - it looks like the
entrance to a virtual country club. I see a sign that says
"Restaurant and Guest Area", a place where visitors, tired of
racing, can refresh themselves. I wonder what sort of experiences
they've programmed inside, and get out of my car, and climb up
some stone steps to find an outside bar near the entrance to the
clubhouse.
An odd sort of skinny "bartender" greets me - "Good day! What
can I do for you sir?" I ask for something simple, to see if I can
taste virtual food. I ask for a fruit, and he hands me something
that looks like an old head of decayed romaine lettuce, the leaves
yellow and wilted, with a sort of peeled "mango/pineapple" on top.
I throw the "lettuce to the ground" where an odd looking
"squirrel/monkey" "eats" it. Although the fruit looks to have
decayed at the bottom, I decide to give it a try - no need to
worry about bacteria with virtual food. I experience only a vague
sensation of chewing, and no real taste, and tell the bartender,
who now looks remarkably like a skinny frog.
My lack of sensation sets off some sort of alarm, and when I go
inside a virtual "Doctor/Programmer" in a white coat, and two
'nurses' in loose white gowns greet me. The "man" looks 40 or so,
the "nurses", both well built and attractive in a sort of generic
way, about 30. They tell me that as a first time user, that they
need to do some testing on me so that they can recalibrate the
program. I sit on a sort of "hospital bed", while the nurses put
food on precise areas of my "tongue", careful not to touch "my
lips", trying to locate a particular taste bud, without success -
I report only vague sensations as they place virtual foods on my
tongue, and no taste. I joke that maybe I don't have that
particular taste bud (designated by something like HMG 243). They
reply that I do, but I must have it higher up, so they'll need to
do a procedure on me to calibrate it, so that I can get the full
sensory effect. I wonder if the fact that I do not virtually smell
anything might account in part for the inadequacy of virtual
taste. Also, I do not feel comfortable about this - although
already this virtual reality program has gone far beyond my
expectations, even for the programs of 2025 or so (when I believe
this takes place), I do not like the idea that it might somehow
modify my physical body. I don't understand how it could do so
either - I vaguely remember myself as "hooked up", my physical
body lying on a bed somewhere, but do not recall doing it in a
hospital environment or even at a VR hookup institution. In fact
if anything, I remember simply going online at home, perhaps
wearing a helmet and goggles. But I can't remember details.
The "Doctor" comes over, using a spatula to place virtual food
to different spots on the side of my tongue - I tell him that I
feel that most of my taste receptors lie in the middle of my
tongue and in the back, and that he should try there. The two
nurses come in - one holds a glass with "banana" pieces in it -
she plans to place it in the middle of my tongue to test what will
happen. I convince them to let me try, and they reluctantly agree,
telling me not to touch my lips with the glass or banana piece as
I do so, as it will destroy the effect. I tip the glass over my
mouth, and drop a piece in the middle of my tongue. As the piece
passes my lips, I immediately feel an odd sensation - my lips feel
hot, as if suffused on the inside with hot sauce. This sensation
quickly passes. I begin to chew and the texture of the piece gets
stronger and stronger, almost like in waking physical reality
(WPR), at which point I begin to taste "banana" as well - at about
50% WPR intensity. I let them know and they feel pleased with my
success. I lie down on the bed, and one of the nurses begins
testing my sense of body sensation of touch, touching the sides of
my abdomen and my chest. When I again report success, that this
feels virtually real, she tells me to touch her. She crouches more
or less on top of me as I do so, touching "her" on the sides and
on the breasts - her "flesh" feels very firm, but also somehow
cold, and somehow lifeless. When I touch her breasts, she tells me
that when fully calibrated, clients can do anything that they want
to with the virtual women, up to and including fully satisfying
"sex". I feel intrigued - although "she" looks a bit generic and
vacuous, her large "breasts" hang almost fully exposed to my view
as she crouches over me. However, the coldness of her body, and
the "no one at home" expression in her eyes (like the robot saloon
girl in the movie "Westworld") puts me off. Also I wonder about
where the data of the clients activities goes - and if one can
depend on the company to keep the information reliably
confidential. I decline her offer, but only tell her as a reason
about the coldness of her body to the touch. They institute a
procedure - a thermal wrap around my physical hand? - to correct
this problem. It works - my right hand immediately feels very hot
and flushed.
To celebrate my success, they take me to the "restaurant", where
the maitre'd shows me to a table in a luxurious country club
setting - lots of polished wood and an extensive menu. I wonder
about eating the food here - although clearly I need not restrict
myself to a vegetarian diet, I have no desire to try virtual meat
dishes
either, although that seems most of what they offer. "Two
women" come over and ask if they can join me - one looks around
40, the other in her teens. They both present themselves as "real
people", who have visited VR a few times but who still feel quite
excited about it all. I ask the older one about her icon (VR body)
- she comments she looks like this for variety, she could look
like a teenager if she chose. She demonstrates this to me - as she
brushes her hair back with her hand, she transforms her icon to 18
or so in appearance, but then she transforms her icon back to its
original appearance. They tell me they feel really honored to sit
with a "Professor", and I realize I have not seen my own icon yet.
I look in the window glass - which makes a good mirror, and see
myself - I look tall and thin, I have a full head of straight
white hair more or less sticking up, and a pair of glasses with
thick black frames. I laugh - I look like a Western scientist as
portrayed in a Japanese cartoon! I appreciate the logic behind my
icon choice, but respond with some dismay on my icon's thin arms
and narrow shoulders. I grin as I ruefully tell the two women that
all of that work at weight training and exercising over the years
in my WPR health club apparently seemed in vain . . . As I reflect
on my own VR body, I also wonder about the two "women" with me,
and what their physical bodies look like, if they really have
physical bodies and do not seem especially well animated VR
simulations.
"Are you a first timer?" the "older woman" asks. I tell her not
exactly, the friend who recommended the program to me (Steve S.)
had told me quite a bit about it, and I have had extensive
experiences in another kind of virtual reality as an adept lucid
dreamer. They look puzzled so I explain lucid dreaming to them,
"knowing that you dream while you dream", fully conscious in the
"original virtual world". Further, I explain how the
phenomenological epoch, has just as much relevance here in this
virtual reality as it does in dream reality. That by focusing on
your direct experience, and suspending judgment in the assumptions
that you make about what you experience, you can perceive more
clearly. For example, here in VR you don't know if you deal with
"real" people - WPR people manifesting through icons, or with
"virtual people". Because of my own phenomenological attitude, I
realized from the outset that I did not know into which category I
should place them, and that the same situation applied for them in
respect to me. With a laugh they respond, "Well, you already know
more than we do!"
A sort of alarm goes off, and the "Doctor" shows up at our
table, telling us that all guests have to exit the program, as
some sort of problem has come up. In the background I hear a rumor
that some boy has died online. I feel unhappy and frustrated that
I have to leave just as I'd begun to get the hang of this program,
but move towards the lobby, where a "woman" directs "guests/WPR
people" to go to one side of the room, and virtual people to the
other. I see with some interest, that the two "women" who had sat
at the table with me go to the "virtual people" side of the room.
I call to them that they might want to try exiting through the
"real people" portal. The woman directing guests says "Any virtual
people who try to leave by the guest gate will not survive, they
will disintegrate." One of the "women", now an attractive honey
blonde looks at me questioningly. I tell her "Who knows what will
happen if you try to leave by the guest portal? You may make it
across to physical reality, or you may indeed get destroyed. You
have to choose." She decides to try going through the guest
portal, and to chance dissolution. I tell her "I can offer no
guarantee, you may in fact disintegrate, but if you do make it
through, I'll look after you."
We go into a large elevator like room. (As we wait for it to
activate, in the background I see a boy, who wears a rather
undersized scrawny icon, complaining to his father that he lost
his fat/mass allotment to his sister during the transition when
they entered this virtual reality program because of a computer
glitch. She likes the result, which gave her a better body, and
refuses to give the mass back. The father patiently reminds the
boy - obviously for the third or fourth time, that the computer
people agreed to keep the settings that way, and he had already
agreed to it.) The elevator activates, I sense movement and see
lights flashing, and for a moment my blond companion looks like
she'll make it. But then I see her begin to evaporate before my
eyes, until nothing more than a conical wedge of pseudo flesh
remains, about a foot long and shrinking rapidly. I pick it up,
and as it disappears I wonder if virtual people have souls, and if
so, where they go. Feeling a bit saddened, and hoping that she
still exists in some form, I wish "her" well.
Suddenly, with a small shock I find myself in an enormous room,
at the top of some giant stairs, feeling quite disoriented. I feel
pain as if something like a claw had just slashed my leg, but
looking around I see nothing. I assume I still seem in VR, but
somehow dumped into another program. I then see a huge "lion" 10
feet high stalking me. I jump, and find myself near the ceiling,
40 feet up or so. The cat nearly slashes me again as I go down,
chasing me as I jump around. Finally, I wonder if my lucid
dreaming skills might work, as the program must have some sort of
hook up with my mind and my beliefs, so on the next jump I call
out "Up! Up!" and achieve a sort of unstable levitation - just
high enough to avoid the cat. But now that I have the leisure to
look, I see that the "lion" actually looks like a big orange
housecat. As I continue to levitate, I increase in size until I
now fit my surroundings - in an analogue of my usual human size,
in an ordinary house, with an ordinary orange housecat. The
housecat now ignores me, and I see another virtual animal - a
Labrador retriever with a red coat. I pat it on the head,
wondering just how attached one could become to these virtual
animals, which somehow still seem sort of empty, despite the
realistic detail." RWPR
Commentary
After awakening I felt greatly disoriented and uncoordinated, and
could hardly navigate around the room to get a pen and notepad.
Everything felt unreal. I also felt a strange tingling sensation
in my body, and felt absolutely amazed that I could have had such
a completely different "dream" from any I had experienced before -
with over 15,000 recorded! I'd eaten and done nothing unusual to
account for the dream - and had not even taken a B vitamin before
retiring at about 2 AM. I also had no overt day residue to account
for it, although I did see a movie titled "Chain Reaction" with
Keanu Reeves (who starred in The Matrix) the evening before. Also,
some of the background details may have come from Tad Williams'
Otherland, the last volume in a series of books set mostly in a
detailed virtual reality which I'd read about two months ago.
During the experience, although fully lucid in both thought and
in perception, I remained almost entirely cut off from any
memories of my actual waking physical reality situation. Instead,
I had a false set of memories, in which I remembered trying out a
VR racing car simulation on the recommendation of a friend,
sometime around 2025 C.E., which I remembered as "now". I had some
difficulty remembering details during the experience, but with
everything else going on, I did not have the leisure to reflect on
the few inconsistencies that puzzled me. Only at the very end,
after successfully levitating in the air to escape the claws of
the housecat/lion, did I even vaguely consider the possibility
that I might actually dream the experience - but with the false
memory I had as a foundation, the VR explanation appeared far more
congruent and convincing.
In point of fact, my assumption that I experienced a virtual
reality and not a dream as such, facilitated a mindset that made
me more critically and continuously aware of discrepancies than in
even fully lucid dreams. The incredibly detailed memory that I
had after I awakened, may have resulted from the intense mental
focus that I directed at what I experienced, during the
experience. In fully lucid dreams I now take it for granted - in
a general way - that dream objects have bizarre attributes.
Because of this attitude, I only occasionally look at specific
dream objects in a critical way to see how they compare with their
waking physical reality counterparts. In this VR scenario, I felt
keenly interested in how well VR objects simulated the
corresponding WPR objects, and consciously and continuously noted
any of the discrepancies between what I saw, and the physical
reality counterparts they "simulated".
I made extensive use of quotation marks (" ") in the dream
account above to indicate my continuous and overt awareness - even
in minor details - that I experienced VR objects and not WPR
objects. Because of this critical mindset, I looked at everything
in the dreamscape with fresh eyes, trying to take nothing for
granted. Even so, in a technical sense this dream does not qualify
as a "lucid" because I did not realize that I dreamed. Only the
fact that I based my judgment of the situation on a false (or
perhaps a future?) 2025 memory prevented me from realizing that I
dreamed. The VR explanation just seemed far more congruent with
what I experienced than did a dream explanation. This experience
brings to light some interesting speculations on the relationships
between lucidity, memory and personal identity.
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New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1 09/29/2000
This issue includes volume #570 - #579
Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.
This section is edited by Elizabeth Westlake and the DreamEditor,
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means we do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these
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Message: 570-001
Subject: two dogs
dream_title: two dogs
dream_date: repeated
dreamer_name: About Dogs
dream_text: On different occasion I've had dreams in which there
have been a pair of dogs who looked to be walking together. Two
newborn puppies or in other dreams numbers of vicious attacking
dogs.
These dreams have also included scenes in which I saw some form of
human or animal excrement.
dream_comments: what could these things represent
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Message: 570-002
Subject: the land
dream_title: the land
dream_date: 9-4-02
dreamer_name: Meauctore
dream_text: I am standing on the top of this land. It is dead and
has no life as the moon comes up i see that the moon looks happy
and then i see out of the corner of the moons eye a teardrop and
when it lands on the land, the land comes to life and i look and
see the dead land has come to life the birds and trees the
waterfall that was once was dead and not moving comes to life the
sounds that the animals i hear them. i lok at them and when i
notice the sun comeing up the moon looks sad and i look at then
sun and he is happy and then when i look at the land where the sun
has hit the land is dead and the moon fall behind the horizon and
weep i here her crying and then sun is laughing.
dream_comments: please tell me what this means
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Message: 570-003
Subject: Being Followed
dream_title: Being Followed
dream_date: 18/09/2002
dreamer_name: LI
dream_text: I was being followed, for the whole day someone was
following me. Every time i thought i lost him, he would turn up.
Then i get on a train late in that day, i get off and he is there.
I go out of the train station, very scared, and i see this guy
that i am presently seeing. We hadn't arranged to meet, but he
came to get me. He has his car and we go, i am safe.
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Message: 570-004
Subject: DEATH
dream_title: DEATH
dream_date: 19 SEPT AND 17 SEPT 2002
dreamer_name: MORDECAI
dream_text: i HAD TWO DREAMS two days apart. In the first one; It
was dark I was in a vehicle driving in a town. I know my wife and
seven year old sone were somewhere in the back seat. I was seated
in the from but someone else was driving. Threre was someone else
in the back two. The car stopped and there were two men standing
beside it. The one right outside my window had a black and white
patterned hawaian shirt. No words were spoken but I knew they were
carjackers and armed as most Nairobi gangsters are. The fear arose
because somehow I knew they were totally ruthless and my son was
in the car. I was so afraid I tried to turn in my seat to comfort
my son or find some way of protecting him but could manage only a
hoarse word. It ended abruptly.
Two days later. This one was chilling but brilliant, all the same:
I noticed a severed head on the floor of my office. It was the
head of an elderly Asian man. Funnily enough neither myself nor my
employees took any notice. We just ignored it and carried on
working like it wasnt there The head remained there and over a few
days and decomposed till only a face remained buzzed over by a few
flies. A day later I was talking to my landlord and some other
people were there. It was a relaxing situation on a verandah
across from the office. I notice many people in the office and
went to see what was going on.I found my employees and all my
family obviously agitated about the face. My elder brother
said'XXXXX what have you done'. Funnily the face had now changed
to a little african girls with large white eyes. It was now alive
though only a face with
no head behind it and blinking alot. My brother again said 'I know
it will follow me' as he walked out terrified trying to get away
from it. The face rose about a foot off the ground and followed
him out the door. Neither menacing or threatening, just following.
A face without a head. But a fully formed face that looked normal
from straight ahead. I found myself outside and the face now
looked at me. I tried to get away from it and walked into the
office.it just glided along a foot of the ground
behind me just looking at me and blinking. the dream ended!!! wow.
am I in trouble
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Message: 570-005
Subject: Immortality
dream_title: Immortality
dream_date: 09-21-02
dreamer_name: fire
dream_text: In my dream It is a big nasty storm was a flood and i
was floating over the flood and Lightning hit or struck me and
then a Tidal wave came and i felt it.
The tidal wave soared above me and crashed over me it felt real.
I thought was dead but i was not dead Lightning came out of eyes
and hands to. Why?
dream_comments: My dream felt real why?
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Message: 570-006
Subject: houdini
dream_title: houdini
dreamer_name: vi ringgold
dream_text: in a dream i am watching a screen, it is the
quickbrushstrokes that form a painting, before me. the screen
grows larger as the dark strokes become overlayed with some
ancient dawn, we are watching then the pastel illumination of some
canyon. it grows slowly and i know i am watching the chronicle of
time itself slowly slowly, and then a boy on a bicycle comes from
the bottom left, taking a path up the hill and into civilization.
the screen is stepped into and the boy followed. it becomes a
chronicle of the role of magic thru time, when at first through
the forest behind the boy the magic was real, living in nature and
every being, inside us. the boy rides into town, and magic
becomes consolidated into centers, amusement parks like coney
island where the magicians were real and the audience believed.
and then a disbelief steals through the center itself, and we are
left with a tragicomic hobo magician, offering paper flowers made
from trash in the midst of county fair crowds.
dream_comments: try spinning
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Message: 570-007
Subject: sex
dream_date: sept.20,2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: me and my exboyfriend were having sex
dream_comments: i have a new boyfriend and my old one wants me to
go out with him again
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Message: 570-008
Subject: Flight of the Lover
dream_title: Flight of the Lover
dream_date: 9/17/02
dreamer_name: Rodg
dream_text: I was in some sort apartment complex, where four
apartment buildings were arranged ina "box formation". There was a
rectangular, grass courtyard bordered by a concrete walkway. I was
running laps, taking long strides as I went.(I'm about 6'6" tall)
In the middle of my 4th or 5th lap, I "awoke" in my dream. The one
thing I love to do when this happens, is fly. So I took a couple
long strides, dove ahead into the air and extended my arms in
front of me. I was off with complete control of my altitude and
direction. As I flew over one house, there was young woman raking
leaves in her
backyard. She noticed me and was motioning back towards her
house(which I had just passed.) I nodded my head as to say o.k.
and turned around. On her rooftop was her young daughter, naked I
think. I guess she was stuck up there or something, anyway I
landed on the roof. There was a short conversation about what, I
don't know and I remember asking her if she wanted me to "eat
her". (As in oral sex.) She agreed and as I flickered my tongue
over her clitoros, it stung me. ??? Shortly after finishing, I
flew off. I don't know......
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Message: 570-009
Subject: Mother Tersa/virgin Mary
dream_title: Mother Tersa/virgin Mary
dream_date: 9/24/02
dreamer_name: mistic
dream_text: I was walking to go into store where I work and
MotherTersa was standing in front of store in white nun attire.I
went up to her to ask her why she had come ,next we where in a 2
story room with hard wood floors and trianglure shaped walls of
white and lights shining in room. Mother Tersa did not speak to me
directly she was nealing in the middle of the floor as if in
prayer . i saw the virgin Mary in the room and Mother Tersa was
speaking for her and said she was unhappy about angus of god . and
then i wased what is the angus of god and in a strange language
spoke to me ,which I did not understand than vansished along with
The virgin Mary.
dream_comments: I find this strange seeing I am baptist .I am
truely stumped ,would be grateful for aliittle help.
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Message: 570-010
Subject: Every Womans Nightmare
dream_title: Every Womans Nightmare
dream_date: 25/09/02
dreamer_name: Lilly
dream_text: Soaring, flying through the air when i begin to fall.
I fall past buildings hills and fially land at the door of an
abandoned cottage with a little girl and boy at my side. At this
point i fear someone is watching me. The three of us enter the
cottage whilst looking after the children i discover i can move
objects by thinking with all my concentratin. I hear someting. A
dark figure its every where but still with my power i lock all
windows then turned around to a scream the children were gone.
Days past and i still couldnt leave the cottage i finally drifted
asleep and was tortured with metal curtain hooks being forced up
into my whomb by the devil himself. I awoke screqaming with severe
pain in my abdomen.
dream_comments: I fear this dream is something to do with my
infertilty and is one of many horrific nightmares that appera to
me every time i fall asleep. If you know of any help i could
receive i would be grateful if you would write to me at
janet@number71.fsnet.co.uk please use my e-mail
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Message: 570-011
Subject: I have a dream
dream_title: I have a dream
dream_date: 9-26
dreamer_name: hondaman242002@yahoo
dream_text: I keep on having dreams of blowing up the white house.
I don't know if i'm doing it or if someone else is. It has
something to do with a boat and a suv truck. maybe a linc. Nav.
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Message: 570-012
Subject: The Fleet Market
dream_title: The Fleet Market
dream_date: 9-18-02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was in a indoor fleet market, a huge hall with long
tables running horizontally donwn each lane. I was toward the end
of the hall, looking at some jewelery. As i noticed this chinesse
dragon, brass ring, someone picked it up. A
women's voice said isn't this pretty, it would look really good on
you. Before i knew it i looked up and it was my Great grandmother
who past nearly away 16 years ago. I looked at her with
astonishment and surprise. She smiled at me as i begain to cry in
my dream. My crying seemd to come from the pit of my stomach. As i
told her how much i missed her, and told her i didn't understand
why she was there. I cried and cried! She said i am here, don't
worry i am here. Then for some reason i had to leave, so as i
began to turn to my right to walk away. I have this feeling to
look back, and at the end of the hall at the oppisite side, i see
an uncle (whom i wasn't as close with)at the enterance of the
other end looking at me. He died just last year. He stood in the
doorway and stared at me with a smile on his face, he waved and
that was it. But what i
noticed that was ever more odd was that the door way was a huge
enterance, with a very bright light coming through. I also
distinctly remember thinking in the dream, how odd, why would i
think of my uncle and grandma together in a dream? The were on
differnt sides of the family and had a different signifagance to
me. Then i waved back as i continued to, turned back around in my
original direction and continued to walk out of the hall. Then i
woke up, but i remember feeling as if i was still crying or had
been really crying. Like out of breath and choked up and all...I
just wonder what this means...
dream_comments: I just am confussed about what this could mean, i
am afraid if they are telling me something back will happen, like
me dying or to be careful or just letting me know that they are
watching, or if they are asking me to pray for them... I don't
know... Can you please give me your thoughts on it?
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Message: 570-013
Subject: Girl Of MyDreams
dream_title: Girl Of MyDreams
dream_date: 09/26/02
dreamer_name: Waverider
dream_text: For The last few months I have dream of this girl that
I liked in college, but she graduated about two years ago and I
found out she got married. My dream usually consists of both of us
being alone, I am always telling her to please give me a chance to
show her my love. Does this mean I may see her again or is just
another dream! I would really apreciate some feedback. Thanks
dream_comments: Please use my e-mail
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Message: 570-014
Subject: Unorganized wedding
dream_title: Unorganized wedding
dream_date: 25/9/02
dreamer_name: baby_b
dream_text: it began at a church with my parents present. we were
outside in the parking lot waiting for my husband-to-be to arrive.
I was wearing an awful white wedding dress, looked like a meringue
and the top had one pink stripe down the front of it.My groom
arrived late and he turned out to be my current boyfriend (who
I've only been seeing for 2 months). He was wearing tracksuit
bottoms and trainers. I nearly cried and said "this is meant to be
my special day and look what you're wearing!!"
The parking lot was desolate, no guests. But i do remember this
one girl, who I'm not talking to at the moment after a major
fight, was there. i invited her to the reception. we then decided
to go to the meal and reception (we didn't actually get married).
But no one had organized cars, the meal or the reception. i then
found myself on a bus without my parents or groom, in my wedding
dress inviting a few people to this
reception that wasn't planned. this one annoying 12 year old who
gets my actual bus during the week started hassling me and i told
him if he dirtied my wedding dress i'd kill him.
dream_comments: I haven't a clue what this means. Does it mean im
committing to my boyfriend of 2 months too much? Or perhaps he
doesn't care very much about me? The lack of organisation -
perhaps I need to arrange my life better? I'd appreciate it a lot
if you could contribute your thoughts on the meaning. Thanks.
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Message: 570-015
Subject: Long Ago Love
dream_title: Long Ago Love
dream_date: July or so 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I am in a very large room on the main floor. This
room has at least two more levels with guard rails on all four
sides. This seems to be a public place, because people are coming
and going. I am in the middle of the room, sitting with
a past love. We are talking, embracing each other and kissing.
More kissing than any thing. We feel pleasently happy, content
and warm. After a while I look up. There on the second level is
my husband watching me and my love. He has no expression. I
never let go of my love. Basically, I ignore my husband and
continue with my love.
dream_comments: Dear Editor: Please help me understand this dream.
I have had another dream about this same guy a couple of days ago.
But, we were in a house with a couple of rooms and we talked a lot
with some kissing.
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Message: 571-001
Subject: wedding
dream_title: joey
dream_date: wedding
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: okay we were at are wedding and we were about to say
our i do's. When he was about to say i do he was shot bye a hand
gun he fell on me and my dress top was red in blood. I was laying
beside him and his last words were i do (anonymous) i love you and
then i said i love you to and then we kissed and he died.
dream_comments: okay all my dreams i have we are either dating or
something and he always dies what does this meen
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Message: 571-002
Subject: The Darkest Man
dream_title: The Darkest Man
dream_date: 9-26-02
dreamer_name: Q
dream_text: I am walking and in the beginning to my right there is
an ocean and people gathering around. I am watching observing
young teenagers gathering along the cost on the sand to enjoy the
beach. There are young kids there as well intermixed with the
teenagers. to my mid-left there is a group of adult horses, not
many... maybe about 5. Now I am on my bike riding over towards
those horses. The beach turns into medium sized rocks and a bit of
grass. Ahead of me I see the rocks drop gradually merge into a
drop, as if a down slope in the mountain. I continue riding and
see a pony which had fallen got stuck down that slope. I brought
the pony back to the older horses. Afterwards, I continue down the
slope in which I realize ther was a young boy around 10 years of
age riding next to me but not necessarily with me. We continue
riding and go deeper down into the forest, until we realize that
we are in some inhabited area. It is an area that looks deserted,
yet we can feel there is someone there. We continue riding now in
a large hallway. The hallway is not enclosed, but it is cemented,
as if someone tried to build a habitable place deep in the forest.
Both of us come to the drop of the hallway. Next thing, I can feel
the boy crying. He has been caught by this person. I hurry trying
to find my way back up this cement drop, but I look around and see
different doors and can feel this mans psyche and darkness in all
the rooms and feel the heaviness of breathing all around. But, I
have to get out. So, I keep trying to climb, and drag my bike with
me. I know I will need this bike to get out of there quickly. I
see an opening in the forest surrounded by small hills of trees in
close proximity. I am peddling, but can still feel this mans
darkness around. Finally, I see a bit of a building and opening to
a neighbor hood. I continue past this building ,which appears to
be a convienience store, into the suburban neighborhood. The
houses are new and compact and modern. There are kids playing in
the street and the pool. I asked them if there were a history of
kids missing, they said yes but didn't seem to concerned. The
adults seemed even less concerned. And, then my next thought was
that this is not much safer than were I just was and decided to
keep going further on my bike. That is when I awoke.
dream_comments: I am 24 and have had dreams every night- many of
them each night- since I was 6 or so. I have been able to defeat
demons, vampires, sharks and snakes occassionally and techno
worlds occasionally. However, I can never do anything to defeat
the characters in my dreams that involve serial killers,
psychotics or evil consumed men with dark death obsessions. This
is one of my less dramatic dreams, but the most recent.I find the
study of my dreams interesting, and hope it is of some benefit to
you.
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Message: 571-003
Subject: Why are you trying to kill me????
dream_title: Why are you trying to kill me????
dream_date: @ least once a week
dreamer_name: Murdered in her dream
dream_text: I have this dream @ least once a week. I dream that is
always me and one other person. It's always dark and I can never
see the other persons face. I'm a female. I don't know if the
other person in my dream is a female or male. This person is
always trying to kill me for some reason. There is never any sound
exept for my cries or screams. This person either tryes to shoot,
stab or kill me in any way possible. i'm always running. Then I
become aware that I'm dreaming and I tell myslef to scream really
loud so some one in the house can hear me and wake me up. When
ever I try to scream nothing comes out and I become very paranoid
and most of the time I tend to wake up having troube breathing.
Please try to help me. This is becoming a very big problem to me.
I lose many hours of sleep over this.
dream_comments: PLEASE SOMEONE TRY TO HELP ME!!!!!!!!!
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Message: 571-004
Subject: Marraige
dream_title: Marraige
dream_date: 9-27-02
dreamer_name: iloveu
dream_text: I am 62 and married but i dreamed that i an getting
married with my present wife at the same age when we where married
and i am making invitation list. i also had marraige invitation
card printed and i was talking to my sister where she told me that
she will get me bed set for my marraige gift and it was time to
bring my wife to work and she wake me uo.
dream_comments: I would like to know the interpretation of my
dream.
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Message: 572-001
Subject: Bizzare
dream_title: Bizzare
dream_date: 26/09/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I dreamt I was married to an old school friend, and
was pregnant.(I am 19 weeks pregnant and married, but not to the
school friend.) In the dream I went off road driving with another
old family friend. Whislt driving we started to divulge deeply
passionate feelings for each other, and it was decided I would
leave my (schoolfriend) husband. My family did not approve, and
my lover and I decided to stay friends as we are,but were both
very upset about it. My husband having heard the conversation
with my family left me,and demanded a paternity test to establish
if the baby was his, when it was born. I woke up after giving my
husband advice on taking parental leave to deal with the stress I
had caused him.
dream_comments: The person who played my husband in the dream is
actually my best friend from the age of 6. The person who was my
lover is indeed a long term friend of my mothers, and someone I
think very fondly of as a member of the family and someone
incidently I have not seen for about 7yrs. It was vey vivd and I
woke up thinking it very bizzare. Any interpretations would be
welcomed.
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Message: 572-002
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Message: 573-001
Subject: Good Vs. Evil
dream_title: Good Vs. Evil
dream_date: Recurring (9/23-9/30)
dreamer_name: Ellie Mae
dream_text: Ok, so I've had this recurring dream. I've had it at
least 5 times and every night that I have it, I awake curled up in
a ball, panting, sweating, and with a migraine. It starts out
with me completely alone at night in the middle of the woods.
And I walk around for a while, when I see a man leaning against a
stump with a knife in his hand. So I walk up to him and he hands
me the knife and tells me to kill something, it's different every
night. Well, I take the knife and I'm totally scared, so I start
running around this path, and all these demons are running after
me and I just keep running in circles around this path and I can't
escape everything, and I can't make it stop. But then, all of a
sudden I'm right back at the beginning and it's all happening
again. And I do this routine EVERY night about 3 times until the
last time I don't take the knife and I try to just run by him and
as I'm running, the other side of the forest becomes well lit with
bright white lights and like little fireflies are all around...so
I run to that side, and I wake up right before I step into that
side of the woods.
dream_comments: I'm not sure what this means. In the dream, I
felt some sort of good vs. evil thing, but I'm just not sure what
to make out of this. I don't know of any internal/external
conflicts that I have going on right now.
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Message: 573-002
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Message: 574-001
Subject: Boyfriend Cheating
dream_title: Boyfriend Cheating
dream_date: 10-01-2002
dreamer_name: Sarah
dream_text: I was outside my boyfriends house with him, all of a
sudden his cell phone rang. I could hear a girl on the phone, a
girl I have accused him of being attracted to. Then I went inside
his house and called her, she confirmed their affair. He denied
it. Then a couple days later, I called his house and no one
answered. So I went over their to find him in bed with her. They
ended up together and I was all alone.
dream_comments: please reply to me and tell me what this means at
Godess5250@aol.com
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Message: 575-001
Subject: whole in my navel
dream_title: whole in my navel
dream_date: 3rd october 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: Hi I am very concern about my dreams. Last night i
dreamt i had a fight (not physical) with my neigbour. For some
reason he threw rubbish in our living room. So i called the
police and i started yelling at him . When i looked down i notice
my navel had a big whole in it and had little eggs in the whole.
And just recently again i dreamt of something and when i looked
down i saw Urine(peepee) running from my navel whole. Please tell
me what that means. I am really scared.
dream_comments: I really want to know what does that mean
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Message: 575-002
Subject: Chased
dream_title: Chased
dream_date: 2 September 2002
dreamer_name: Twinky
dream_text: I'm always dreaming that I'm being chased. The
scenarios are always different but I'm always having to run to
save my life. I have to outwit my pursuer and get away as best i
can. I always feel somehow impared when I run like there are
weights on my legs holding me back. Sometimes but not all the time
I have to help someone escape with me always having to tell them
them to forget this or that and just run - it's like this
overwhelming sense of duty to help them escape as well and they
are always strangers. The dreams or what should probably be called
nightmares are very elaborate. I've never been caught in these
dreams but at the same time I've never really escaped because I
wake up. These dreams or nightmares make me feel very tired and
sometimes make me feel out of sorts for the whole day.
dream_comments: I'd really like get to the bottom of why I
constantly have these dreams so that I can hopefully identify and
rectify what is wrong in my life.
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Message: 575-003
Subject: Codename chimpanzee
dream_title: Codename chimpanzee
dream_date: 1/10/02
dreamer_name: doomsday
dream_text: Me and my form were driving down a road in a bus next
to the sea. Our tutor was reading the register backwards and after
each name she would give us some sort of name. One person was
called FAG and another was called CHIMPANZEE. She was just about
to get to my name when my alarm went off and I had to get up and
face Fag and chimpanzee.
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Message: 575-004
Subject: Venemous snakes
dream_title: Venemous snakes
dream_date: 2/10/02
dreamer_name: snake eyes
dream_text: I keep having a reocurring dream (over past 2mths ie
once to twice a month) whereby 2 skinny green snakes are around my
feet all the time, ie I could be in bed, standing in the
supermarket etc. I move around very quietly trying not to agitate
them as they are venomous and I will die if they bite me.
Everytime I wake up I have succeeded in not being bitten.
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Message: 575-005
Subject: me and Amy
dream_title: me and Amy
dream_date: september
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I had a dream that I had sex with a girl named amy.
dream_comments: what does this mean
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Message: 575-006
Subject: non
dream_title: non
dream_date: cant remember
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: i cant remeber much of it cuz it was the same night i
smoked 4 bowls...yes i know ....anyways that day i realized that i
need to stop all that nonsense....i wnet home and i took a nap
right away and i had a nithmare,it was about me getting killed by
me.and after i killed myself,well it wasnt really killing
myself(suicide),it was just
another me...well ill continue..afterwards,i went on a killing
spree...i killed everyone,everyone i hate..which is alot of
people...what exactly does this mean???
dream_comments: what do you think this means??? senadab6@yahoo.com
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Message: 575-007
Subject: Just before Dawn
dream_title: Just before Dawn
dream_date: 10/04/02
dreamer_name: M.
dream_text: This dream happened around 530 in the am, and was
somewhat unnerving. It seems as though I "interrupted the dream,
because it was already in progress. It also seems as though it was
not completed when I awakened. As I recall, an old friend of mine
(I have not seen since high school)and my self were arriving at a
house (I am assuming it was mine because as I got in I was
starting laundry and running bath water)I breifly spoke to him
specifically calling him by his first and last name. As I walked
out of the bathroom, I noticed that all of the lights I had
previously turned on were out and would not come back on.
Curiously, the only light that would come on was the bathroom. The
room I had just left. I immediately grabbed my keys and ran out,
calling his name only once. I ran to the side of the house
attempting to get to my car, only to have someone/something grab
me as say "we can make this easy or we can do this the hard way".
I did not recognize the voice. It was gravely and course. His
breathing was labored. Sencing fear and imminent danger to my
self, I attempted to break away, even piercing the soft area on
the left side of his laryx with my keys...It was at that time that
I awakened..Nervous. It was 0545, almost time to wake up for the
day.
dream_comments: Ominous, scared...Please give me your honest
thoughts and opinions. thanks, M.
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Message: 576-001
Subject: the garden of natural selection
(note: stan requests that his name and address be kept with the
dream - rcw)
DATE : 5 oct 2002 04:15
DREAM : the garden of natural selection
stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@etherways.com>
=( last night was friday, and i did just the usual stuff. in the
early part of the evening i smoked a little medicine to relieve
the nagging pain in my shoulder. this bursitis has been worse but
it is expected to heal very slowly so i must be patient with it.
mom watched some new series on television. _firefly_ about a low
tech spaceship seems a little disappointing-- no aliens, no
robots, very little scifi-- just experimental humanoid societies
like _star trek_. i do not expect this series to succeed since it
has to make it only on the personalities of the crew. more lame
broadcast programming in the tradition of _quantum leap_.
_farscape_ at least has puppets for nonhuman creatures and _lexx_
has a robotic head. later we watched a few episodes of _babylon
5_, the series we started a couple weeks ago. i went to bed
around 00:30 and got to sleep without much difficulty. )=
there. i have finished typing the last page and pull the white
paper fresh from the old typewriter. the platen clicks
reassuringly as it gives up grip on the finished product. i am to
read this technical paper before a conference of distinguished
scientists and scholars. i look at my watch to discover that i
have about half an hour to spare. i would have liked a little
more time to rehearse reading it aloud, but there just is not time
to do it. just enough to walk over there where thousands of
academically distinguished have gathered to hear learned
discussions on detailed knowledge.
my paper is on the formal aspects of generative grammar applied to
gestured languages like the deaf use, but in this case much
simpler examples from neandrathals, some of the great apes, and
finally children and handicapped retarded peoples. i can not
imagine just now why i undertook to type the thing on an antique
machine like this underwood typewriter instead of my usual array
of computers, but my fingers have the slightly fatigued feel from
all the pounding of the keys to produce the clackty clack noises
and dark smudges more or less evenly spaced on the slightly
crumpled paper. the title on the first page reads "the garden of
natural selection".
oops. time to scoot if i am to be on time. i put the twenty or
so double spaced pages into a thin cardbox box just sized to hold
fresh paper, then get up to leave. when i exit the small room i
have been working in, i discover that i am in the library annex of
local high school. the conference is being held a few buildings
down on the public school campus. the exit is nearby.
when i step outside, i am confronted by a soldier in camouflage
military fatigues. i know him to be the leader of ROTC unit here.
"will you take two of the russian exchange cadets with you?" he
asks. "they were on disciplinary detention until now and do not
know the way to the conference."
of course i agree to escort them. two young men come when called.
they are dressed in fancy dress uniform and quickly fall into step
behind me as a hurry along the side walk. the heels of their
polished boots make a comforting cadence as they march. my softer
civilian shoes make no impression at all.
two more buildings down the way, i see where the conference is
being held, but the sidewalk ends just short of there. we have to
wade through long uncut grasses to come up behind the building.
there are two ornate doors, both shut and locked. i choose the
furthest door as closer to the back stage of the auditorium
within. i pound loudly on the door.
but it is the other door about 30 meters back which opens and a
priest in his robes and vestments steps out. he gestures for us
to come back.
"is there any reason you can not open this door?" i shout back to
him. it really is much easier to get to where we need to be by
this door.
"that door was sealed years ago, and no one has a key." he yells
back us, so we walk down the marble stairs and tromp back through
the tall weeds to the other door.
once inside, i point down a hallway to the general auditorium and
the two military cadets march off, still in perfect step. i head
the other way toward the stage area.
i no sooner arrive at the stage door when my friend, witherspoon,
comes up with another man. "you certainly know how to wait until
the last possible minute." herold says to me, taking the light
box with the paper in it. he and the other man want to proof read
it for technical errors before i read it, but i doubt there is
time. i go down the waiting ramp in the wings to the main stage.
i see that there is a short break before my scheduled time. there
are a number of professors coming and going into the main
auditorium which is abuzz with that sound made by large audiences
at their leisure. i feel a slight thrill of expectancy that in a
few moments they will quiet down into attentive silence to hear my
words on theoretic generative grammar.
soon witherspoon and the other man come back. they had divided up
the paper so each only got to read half of it. i can see that the
other man has marked up his pages with frequent comments in a
bright red pen. i hope that i can still read my manuscript and
maybe incorporate some of his addenda while keeping a coherent
reading voice. thankfully, witherspoon's pages are hardly marked
at all.
a portly woman has joined them and she hands me the bibliography
references from the end. "you know," she starts to say, "in the
proper reference format, the dates go here while the volume
numbers are placed here." she points to a few marks she has made
on the typescript.
i consider her comments for a little then feel a little peeved.
here i am at showtime and she is criticizing some minor detail
relevant only to photoready production. "look, the turabian and
chicago styles of reference are arcane details of academic
nonsense at this point. my reference style just puts the data in
the natural order of its salience and leaves it at that." i
snatch the pages away from her with a jerk and put them at the end
of the pile of pages. she walks away with an annoyed sniff. i
did not find her to be very helpful.
now the master of ceremonies walks up to me and asks if i am
ready. i nod affirmative. he is dressed in a long formal black
tuxedo with white paper collar. he leads me up the ramp.
i can feel that my shirt has pulled partially out from my pants,
but when i try to smooth it back it rumples. so i decide to just
pull it out all the way. since i will be standing behind a large
wooden podium while reading my paper, it should not matter at all
whether it is tucked in or not, so long as the top looks smooth.
no sooner do we arrive at the edge of the stage then a bright
spotlight hits me with it warm glow.
the audience laughs as the master of ceremonies separates from me.
i just now notice that i am wearing an old comfortable pair of
cutoff jeans so my long legs are exposed. why didn't i think to
wear a new suit or tuxedo to this? i do not know but there is
nothing for it now except to try to stay comfortable being way
underdressed.
"and now for the next paper in our linguistics section." the mc
says into a microphone from his lectern. i look around, but i do
not see the podium i had practiced upon. a stage hand in the
wings gestures for me to come over there.
as i walk offstage, a dean from a nearby college comes over to me.
"all this rubbish about gesture languages needs to be toned down.
they are semiotic speech acts and have very little generative
properties at all."
"i have quite a bit of experience with signed languages." i tell
him. "and you will find empirical data supports a formal syntactic
approach." i have no more time to debate this now.
i am taken way back stage to a side room where about twelve
caterers are preparing a buffet side board for the next break.
there beside the wall is a small wooden lectern. i am expected to
read by paper back here? i put my pages on the podium and look
around. "where is the microphone?" i ask.
one of the cooks points to small gooseneck microphone suspended
about three feet to my right. "can't that be put in the middle of
my stand about here?" i indicate the space just above the pages i
have to read.
the cook shrugs and pulls the microphone with its cord way back
into the food preparations so to reroute its path up to my reading
area. i know the audience is getting impatient out there in the
hushed dark, waiting to hear my voice come over the speakers.
finally the kitchen staff manage to get the mic within a foot of
my desired position, so i will just have to live with that.
"do you know who this is?" he points to small brass plate
engraved with many names, covered with a sprinkling of white
flour. the name he wants says 'cerf'.
"i suspect that is vinton cerf. he is considered to be the father
of the internet. he wrote the IP and TCP protocols for datagram
handling." i will be pleased if he is attending this conference.
we exchanged some email a few years back about internet history,
and i would like to meet him soon.
i click the on button to activate the voice pickup.
"the natural garden of evolution." i say.
oops. i just misread the title of the paper which should have
been 'the garden of natural selection'. well, i will have to wing
it from here. perhaps i can give some ad lib slant to some of the
conclusion material to support this new title.
but as i take the steadying deep breathe to begin the formal
reading, i discover that the first page just looks like dingbat
symbols, none of which i can read. what's this? have i suddenly
gone dyslexic?
i start to speak, making up an introduction.
"imagine if you will, a garden of earthly delights, peopled by
savages who are both well suited to their comfortable environment
and happy by nature to share the bounty provided by hunting and
gathering in their eden."
i am rapidly turning pages, hoping that english which i can read
will show up in the first few pages. none does.
=( i awake and the feeling of frustration which i was just
starting to experience in the dream quickly falls away. i feel
somewhat relieved and glad to be awake. herold witherspoon and
vinton cerf are from my waking life and appear pretty much in the
dream as i know them. herold is a retired artist that i know. he
would have little experience in proofing a paper on linguistic
theory, so maybe he substituted the pages with dingbat characters
as a joke, perhaps. vint cerf did comment on an early timeline of
internet history that i put on the internet engineering task force
many years ago. a couple days ago i spoke with an honors student
who will be working on filling in a web site with historical data
from this task. all the other people in this dream are unknown to
me and i get little associations from them. i did study
linguistic grammars in graduate school at the university of
massachusetts in amherst before i got invested in computer
technology. this locale was not there, however, being more like a
high school campus and typewriting was a skill i developed back
then. being suddenly underdressed at a gathering, or suddenly
unable to read a document seem to be common dream dilemmas. i
suppose this might indicate that my present life or career seems
somewhat stalled, and perhaps i am not as comfortable with that as
i think. )=
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Message: 576-002
Subject: Tibetan Procelain
Title: Tibetan Porcelain
Date: Oct 6, 2002
Dreamer: Dreambat
I'm in a very tall building that is a kind of commercial and
business site. I am in one of the elevators and its not operating
well. I have to do odd things to get it to work. I go up more
floors than needed, then come down (rather than go to the floor I
need to go to directly). I get off on one floor and find there is
no way down. I have to cross the floor, which seems like a law
office or insurance company with the typical module set up on a
high floor (10-100 floor). I go down to a lower floor, (4-10) and
get off
in a kind of market or potpourri. I need to pick up a present for
a client. They are having a wedding, I think an Asian couple. I
ask what design of porcelain is popular these days and an Asian
woman takes me to a set of heavy ceramics that are basically off
white, speckled. They have heavy or thick blue calligraphy in the
centers and a thick blue( dark gray ) line around the edges,
somewhat inside. The owner or clerk apologizes that the really
good Tibetan porcelain won't be in until the season starts (I
think rain season in the dream) and these are inferior quality, as
the speckles are white and the good stuff has darker speckles. I
think or say that I would really like to get a dish set, but
Sierra reminds me that these are simply clients hiring me to set
up a site for the wedding and a gift of that size would be more
than they would pay me. I decide to settle for a little round
vase as a gift.
I get outside and need to get home. Now I am with my old friend
Curtiss and we are running. It feels really good to be able to run
long distances. I run very low to the ground, then notice this and
run up more. At some point I drop a tissue I was holding and
Curtiss picks it up and gives it back to me, as if to say, you
better not litter here.
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Message: 576-003
Subject: Grandma's Jewelry Box
dream_title: Grandma's Jewelry Box
dream_date: April 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was walking around in an unfamiliar town, yet at the
same time it was familiar. I came to a house. A large white house
with columns in the front and a porch swing. I walked in and
looked around. The furniture and other decor seemed to be from the
early 1900's. Still, the feeling of familiarity persisted. It was
a beautiful house. Not overly extravagant, but you just knew the
people who lived there must have lived very comfortably. I saw
someone in the living room. She came closer and I could see that
it was my grandma. She was trying to tell me something, but her
words wouldn't come out. Although I couldn't understand exactly
what she was saying I knew that it was very important to her. In
her hand she held a red velvet jewelry box and she was holding it
out to me. Trying to give it to me. Then she opened it and took
out a key. It was the key inside the jewelry box that was
important, not the box itself. I wanted to help her, but she
couldn't speak. Then we heard someone approaching, my grandma
looked very afraid of this. So that made me afraid, and I ran.
dream_comments: My Grandma died when I was 2 yrs old. I don't
really remember her, but I remember her funeral. I told my mom and
dad about this dream. They said that she did own a jewelry box
just how I described the one in my dream, but I couldn't have
possibly known about it.
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Message: 576-004
Subject: Rope Bridge
dream_title: Rope Bridge
dream_date: re-occuring
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: My wife is approaching an unsafe or unstable bridge,
she tries to cross the bridge, but she is scared and normally ends
up crossing on her hands and knees, until last night when she
couldn't cross at all. last night I was also in her dream, and I
attempted to cross the bridge, but as I was re-assuring her and
showing off I slipped off the bridge, and was hanging on
underneath. This is all she can remember about the dream... we are
in your hands
dream_comments: this is my wifes re-occuring dream
Comments: 576-005
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Message: 576-005 [576-004]
Subject: Re: Rope Bridge
Regarding Rope Bridge Dream:
I am praying about this one. I can see the anxiety in it. If
you would like to talk more about it, you could contact me at
denisem@computexas.net . I will post a reply as soon as I have
one, in any case.
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Message: 577-001
Subject: Healers
dream_title: healers
dream_date: 10/08/02
dreamer_name: starryeyez
dream_text: Actually i was just wondering if anyone could help me
with a dream i have recently had.....All i can recall about the
dream is being in an intense amount of pain. I cant recall where i
was and i had no sense of time. A woman walks up to me in the
dream as i lay helpless in pain and puts her hand on my right side
just under my ribs(where the pain was occuring) and mutters
something to me and turns and walks out of the room and i am
suddenly cured! If anyone has any ideals about this dream please
let me know your thoughts
dream_comments: my email address is cowgirlmg2000@yahoo.com please
do not post this but if anyone happens to send in any thoughts
please email me thank you very much
Comments:
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Message: 578-001
Subject: Odd place to scream
dream_title: Odd place to scream
dream_date: 10/07/02
dreamer_name: phoenixlatina
dream_text: My dream starts with two boys a 12 year old and 7 year
old, = walking down step. Scattered around them are decomposing
children. Some = in the early stages some already watery and
fragile to the touch. The = boys are wearing loan cloths only, but
the dead children are dressed in = robs. As the boys get to the
bottom of the stairs a lady in a gray rob = comes in with a
janitorial type of broom. She starts sweeping the dead = children
to a pile. The next thing I see is a man standing on a platform =
and he pushes a button, a rocket launches and the man say =93God
have = mercy on their souls=94. Than I am walking in a town. The
town is small, = and poor. There are street light but the roads
are dirt. A yellow car = drives bys as I turn the corner. As I
approach an alley way I hear a = psst, beckoning me. I turn down
the alley way and a hefty male is = sitting on a truck tire. He
starts to get up and that when I start to = scream, DON=94T, STOP.
And then I woke up. Screaming in my conscious = state.
Comments:
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Message: 579-001
Subject: Robbery
dream_title: Robbery
dream_date: October 9 2002
dreamer_name: Andy
dream_text: I had a dream that my house was being robbed, I had to
grab my kids, bring them in my bed room to let my wife protect
while I went to attack the intruders. Once I start to confront
them I wake up. I have had this dream on several occasions,
months, sometimes years apart. I wake up in a sweat and my heart
beating very rapidly.
Comments: 579-004
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Message: 579-002
Subject: Lost and dazzed
dream_title: lost and dazzed
dream_date: 10/10/02
dreamer_name: T/T/F/N
dream_text: while i was a sleep my friend asked me if i thought
that she was ugly and she sad that i said yes. i think that in
sleep state that you say things that you dont mean.what do you
think???????????
dream_comments: what dose it mean. can this be true? please
help!!!!!!!!
Comments:
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Message: 579-003
Subject: Going back in time
dream_title: Going back in Time
dream_date: 10/10/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: In my dream I went home to visit my parents in Canada.
I drove up to the house in my car (the one that I own today)..
When I got to their house, the drivway was different and there did
not seem to be a garage... (the garage, asx it is today, is under
the house and the driveway is as well) there was no underground
driveway or garage that I could see and there was an extension on
the driveway that went in front of the house where the grass used
to be. It seemed strange thast they had never mentioned changing
things... I went up to the front door and rang the bell (it was
dark out) and my father answered the door. He was younger than I
am today, and he didn't know who I was, only that I looked
familiar. I convinced him to get my mother and he did... she was
younger also... Here I am standing there with my parents, I am at
my present age of 51 and they are both
apparently aound 40 years
old... (guessing) I then show my mother photos of me (an album
I happen to have with me) :-) I don't remember her response..
??? But I do remember trying to convince her to wake me up and
she did not...
also I needed to tell her that a boyfrined of mine from that time
period should have been the man I married and to try and see that
I did not listen to lies of friends that broke us up, because now
we are both still unhappy and still love each other but can do
nothing about it... They thought my car was strange and I think
it scared them.... then my dream ended.................
dream_comments: I have never had a dream quite like this one... I
have never gone back in time in any dream.. How common is this
and what does it mean.. you may use my email address
dhoward@osc.state.ny.us I am quite anxious to get replies on this
one...
Comments:
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Message: 579-004 [579-001]
Subject: Re: Robbery
I had dream recently where my house got robbed too, 'cept I had
just been reading a book about biblical prophecy and armageddon
and I attributed it to just paranoia from that. I imagine that
perhaps a recurring dream of home-thievery is just an anxiety
dream for your head to deal with various stresses.
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