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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com
++ Interview: Dream Psi Conference Host Interview:
Ed. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D.
Interview by Victoria Quinton
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Interview: The World of Psi-Dreaming:
An Interview with Linda Lane Magallón, MBA
With Richard Wilkerson
++ Article: A Briefing on the History of Dream Psi Research
by Richard Wilkerson
++ Article: Conscious State Psi (CSP) and Dream State Psi (DSP):
A Combined Approach to Psi Exploration and Application
++ CURRENT ACTIVITIES at Baycliff Psi Seminars
++ Precognitive Dream example:
Soviet Fighter Crash
By Dale Graff
++ Article: The Lady with the Wide Brimmed Hat
By Linda Lane Magallón
++ Article : Mutual Lucid Dream Event
By E. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D.
D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Special 9-11 Dreams
D E A D L I N E :
September 18th deadline for October 2002 submissions
Please note the short month!
Topic: Nightmares.
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Editor's Notes
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Welcome to the September 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreaming online.
If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources you need. To join send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
This issue we have a special focus on psi dreaming in preparation of the ASD online PsiberDreaming Conference that will take place later this month from Monday, September 23, 2002 through Sunday, October 6, 2002. You can join the conference online and chat online with some of the world's most renowned pioneers in the field, including Stephen LaBerge, Edward Kellogg, Linda Magallón, Jean Campbell, Dale Graf and many others.
Register at http://www.asdreams.org/psi2002/
We are starting off this month with an interview done by Victoria Quinton, host of the popular DreamChatters discussion list (dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com) which she conducted with the host of the 2002 PsiberDreaming Conference Host, Ed. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D. Victoria will give you some insights into the world of psi dreams through one of the world's most knowledgeable researchers in the area.
You can read more of Victoria's interviews with the Psiberdreaming presenters at
http://www.alphalink.net.au/~mermaid/psidream.htm
We also have an interview with Linda Magallón about dreams and psi. Linda is the author of the book Mutual Dreaming and has been researching psi dreams for many years. She also has provided one of the best resources online for psi dream information.
Also included is an article by Linda "The Lady with the Wide Brimmed Hat." If you thought that psi dreaming is limited a simple one-to-one correspondence, this article will be an eye-opener for you and provide you with a more subtle path into the world of psi dreaming.
For those of you who are not very familiar with psi dreaming, I have included an essay from my course on the History of Dreams that will give you a quick overview of the topic. If you want get the background on the dream psi scene, be sure to read "A Briefing on the History of Dream Psi Research."
There are some holes in my briefing, one of which is the remote seeing research by the government, which is best covered in the article collection by Dale Graff. Be sure to read his article updates including "CURRENT ACTIVITIES at Baycliff Psi Seminars" and the Precognitive Dream example: "Soviet Fighter Crash."
For an update on the most current research edge, be sure to read E. W. Kellogg's "Mutual Lucid Dream Event." Ed Kellogg has been involved with psi dreaming for decades and hosts the ASD Paranormal Dreaming Forum.
Lucy Gillis has provided an excerpt from the Lucid Dream Exchange on lucid dreaming interpretation as discussed by Robert Waggoner. Read all about this in "Interpreting Lucid Dreams: Letting the Symbols Speak."
We are delaying the regular Dream Section until next month and instead replaying the full collection of 9-11 dreams from 2001.
The Dream Section will return next month.
Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered dreaming news from around the world. In the Global Dreaming News you will find the latest dream and dreamwork events, conferences, and seminars. Also you will find research and research requests for subject, updates on your favorite dream websites, book reviews and more. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at web@dreamtree.com
We don't send the cover with the e-zine, but you can view, download and print up a copy anytime at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers/
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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one of the many resources:
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http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
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Next Month: Annual Nightmare Issue. Deadline for articles, September 18. Send to rcwilk@dreamgate.com
-Richard Wilkerson
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, web@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- New Research on Black/White vs. Color Dreams
- Dream/Art Weekend offered by Kathleen Sullivan
- Autodrama and Creative Dream Re-Staging
- ASD's PsiberDreaming Conference
- Meeting Psyche: A Jungian Approach to Dreams
- Dreaming and Awakening in Paradise: Lucid Dreams Retreat
- Awakening to the Wisdom of The Dream
- Dreaming Beyond Borders
- Exploring Dream Space with Marie Volchenko
- Marin Institute for Projective Dreamwork
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Dreams about Islam
- Dreams that Have Inspired Wondrous Joy
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Dreams and CRC Theory
DREAM CALENDAR for September 2002
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>>> New Research on Black and White vs. Color Dreams
Do People Still Report Dreaming in Black and White? An Attempt to Replicate a Questionnaire from 1942
In the 1940's and 1950's, many people in the United States appear to have thought they dreamed in black and white. For example, Middleton (1942) found 70.7% of college sophomores to report "rarely" or "never" seeing colors in their dreams. I attempted to replicate Middleton's questionnaire and found that students in 2001 reported much more colored dreaming than their earlier counterparts, only 17.7% saying that they "rarely" or "never" see colors in their dreams. Assuming that dreams themselves have not changed over this time period, one or the other (or both) groups of students must be profoundly mistaken about a basic feature of their dream experiences.
Why Did We Think We Dreamed in Black and White?
In the 1950's, dream researchers commonly thought that dreams were predominantly a black and white phenomenon, although both earlier and later treatments of dreaming presume or assert that dreams have color. The first half of the twentieth century saw the rise of black and white film media, and it is likely that the emergence of the view that dreams are black and white was connected with this change in media technology. If our opinions about basic features of our dreams can change with changes in technology, it seems to follow that our knowledge of the phenomenology of our own dreams is much less secure than we might at first have thought it to be. For more information, contact:
Eric Schwitzgebel
Department of Philosophy - 065
University of California
Riverside, CA 92521-0201
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz
>>> Dream/Art Weekend offered by Kathleen Sullivan
October 26 & 27, 2002
Dreams, the soul's gold, bring light to the journey of everyday life. Five times a night dreams encourage healing of the past and provide direction for the future, always leading to wholeness. In order to avoid the pitfalls of mistaken literalism, the symbolic and metaphoric language of the dream must be understood. This two-day workshop will provide the tools necessary to clearly see the brilliance of your nightly gems. You will focus on one or two of your dreams applying the techniques to understand symbols and metaphors, story line and therapeutic value of these loving messages from your unconscious. Through lecture and art activities, working in small group and with partners, the approaches you learn will help you understand your future dreams. Cost: $165 includes 2 continental breakfasts, a gourmet lunch Saturday, light lunch Sunday. Hor d oeuvres will accompany the private wine tasting and dream art reception Sunday at 2:00 PM. When: Saturday, Oct. 26 (10:00 to 4:00) and Sunday, Oct. 27 (10:00 to 2:00). Where: The beautiful Sogno Winery in Shingle Springs, CA. 3046 Ponderosa Rd. (530) 672-6968 Call Kathleen Sullivan at 831-372-8534 or email dremwvr@mbay.net for reservations before October 10.
>>> Autodrama and Creative Dream Restaging
November 16 &17 Amersfoort Holland
Exploring the imagery of Dreams and Problem Solving with Ann Sayre Wiseman. A way to deepen understanding of the metaphors
of the night mind. Contact: herminemensink@hotmail.com or visit www.annsayrewiseman.com
>>> Announcing ASD's First Online PsiberDreaming Conference
Join some of the world's foremost experts on the subject of Psi dreaming for two weeks of cutting-edge papers, discussions, workshops, and chats. If you've ever had a precognitive dream, a lucid dream, or simply an 'unusual dream' that never quite made sense, this is the place for you. For two weeks, from September 22, 2002 to October 6, 2002, participants worldwide will enjoy online experiments, psiber games with prizes, chats, and discussions on paranormal dreaming in the shared meeting space of virtual reality. All for $25 or less for ASD members! Register before August 31st and receive an additional $5 off conference fees. And if you don't belong to ASD, join ASD as a new member from August 10 - October 6 and as a bonus get a free pass to the Psiber Conference! For more information on this historic event, go to: http://asdreams.org/psi2002/
>>> Meeting Psyche: A Jungian Approach to Dreams
In our dream life, every aspect of our personality takes its turn on the stage that opens with sleep. Our nobler qualities and shadow side, our aspirations and fears, our troubling fixations and undeveloped potentials all strive to communicate their natures and purposes as they seek to find expression within our unique selves. This course, designed for both new and continuing students of Jungian psychology, will present and explore the basic concepts and dynamics of a Jungian approach to dream theory and interpretation. Participants willing to share dream material are asked to bring clearly written copies of their dreams to class. Basic journal-writing and image-making exercises will be
used to amplify dream material. C. G. Jung Institute, 1567 Maple Ave, Evanston, IL 60201. Phone: 847-475-4848 or 800-697-7696. email: jung@jungchicago.net
web: www.jungchicago.org
>>> Dreaming and Awakening in Paradise
A 10-day Residential Training Program in Lucid Dreaming and Tibetan Dream Yoga with Stephen LaBerge and Friends. Kalani, Hawaii, November 1-10, 2002
Rejuvenate body and mind. Awaken to your inner life. Stop sleeping through your dreams. Join us in exploring the boundless frontiers of the dream world in a setting of glorious natural beauty. Nurtured by the paradisical, dream-like environment on the sunny secluded Puna Coast of the island of Hawaii, we will cast off our blinders, drop the shackles of our ordinary routines, and take a fresh look at what is real and what is dream. Becoming adept at lucid dreaming requires focused attention and practice that is difficult to maintain during our busy lives. This retreat provides an ideal opportunity to devote time to cultivating your lucid dreaming ability and enhancing your mindfulness in everyday life, using the most effective techniques and technology, derived from Tibetan dream yoga and Western science. Although we cannot guarantee that everyone will have (and remember) a lucid dream during the program, in past years, most participants have done so, and all have experienced enhanced awareness of the dreamlike nature of "reality."
The retreat includes: Ten days and nine nights of balanced fun and focus on consciousness, dreaming and awakening at the beautiful, dream-inspiring Kalani Oceanside Retreat Center on the Big Island of Hawaii; Daily group and individual exercises in developing lucid dreaming skills and enhancing consciousness, dreaming and waking; Valuable insight into the application of lucidity and mindfulness to all aspects of life; sleep schedule (including naps) optimized for the promotion of lucid dreams; Use of lucid dream induction technology; Discussion sessions and personal guidance by Dr. Stephen LaBerge, world-renowned expert on lucid dreaming; and dreams, dreams, and more dreams!
FEES: Standard rate, US$2000, includes room and board. Space is extremely limited; a non-refundable deposit of US$200 will reserve you a place in the program until September 15, when the balance is due. SCHOLARSHIPS: Contingent upon space availability, we plan to offer several scholarships providing reduced fees, as determined by demonstrated financial need and merit. If you would like to attend this program, but feel the cost is beyond your means, fill out the form at http://www.lucidity.com/DAAK02/scholarship.html FOR INFORMATION OR TO REGISTER http://www.lucidity.com/DAAK02 CALL: +1 650 321-9969 or 1 800 GO LUCID (1 800 465-8243)EMAIL: daak02f@lucidity.com
>>> Awakening to the Wisdom of the Dream: November 2, Atlanta, GA.
Learn to use your dreams for a deeper self-understanding, leading to greater life fulfillment. Explore the use of dreams throughout history. Examine creativity and problem solving through dreams. Discover how dreams can be used for health, healing, personal growth and as a guide through life's passages. Presenters include Deirdre Barrett, Robert Van de Castle, Rita Dwyer and Justina Lasley. Light lunch included. Cost: $80 general public/ $65 ASD members. Registration: www.emory.edu/eve. after Sept. 6. For further info, contact Justina at P.O.Box 52323, Atlanta, GA, 30355, E-mail drmkpr@aol.com or Tallulah Lyons, 3082 Old Cabin Lane, Smyrna, GA 30080, e-mail blyons@mindspring.com( 9:30 AM-4:30PM)
>>> Dreaming Beyond Borders:Transformative Power Of Dreams
November 2 & 3, 2002, Orinda, California A Conference from the Association for the Study of Dreams Co-sponsored with the Dream Studies Program at John F. Kennedy University. The presenters include: Emily Anderson, Greg Bogart, Fariba Bogzaran, Kelly Bulkeley, Chuck and Shirl Coburn, Gayle Delaney, Daniel Deslauriers, Loma Flowers, Patricia Garfield, Ray Greenleaf, Ken Kelzer, Dave Pleasant, Alan Siegel, David Skibbens, Steve Smith, Jeremy Taylor and more to be announced!
Some of the planned presentations include: Dream Charms from around the World, Private Dreams and Public Nightmares: the Case of September 11, Dream Interviewing, Therapeutic Dream Work: A Case Study, Extraordinary Dreams: Transparent Boundaries between Waking and Dreaming, How To Have A Flying Dream, Fun in the Dark: Dream Work as a Popular Movement and Professional Practice, Dreaming the Dawn: Practical Implications of Projective Dream Work as a Spiritual Discipline. For more information, contact the ASD Information Office at 925-258-1822 or Dream Studies Program at JFKU at 925/258-7322.Registration fees for the two-day conference are: One-day registration for either Saturday, November 2 or Sunday, November 3 is $125/$100 General/ASD Member and $75/$60 Student/ASD Student Member. Registration fees for the full weekend conference are $225/$180 General/ASD Member and $135/$110 Student/ASD Student Member. Several of the presentations/workshops are planned for Continuing Education credit with Sunday, November 3 being slated primarily as the "CE" day.
>>> Exploring Dream Space with Maria Volchenko, Ph.D.
Saturday and Sunday, September 7-8, 2002, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m.
3220 Sacramento, upper floor, San Francisco. Parking on the first floor. Please, register early by sending a check of Eighty Dollars ($80), written to Ruth-Inge Heinze, to 2321 Russell St. #3C, Berkeley, CA 94705-1959. For information, phone (510) 849-2791 or e-mail RIHeinze@juno.com
>>>Marin Institute for Projective Dream Work
Dream Work Certificate Program. The program features weekend work in San Rafael, CA with Jeremy Taylor; pay as you go; take as long as you need; and small groups. "Projective dream work assumes that thoughts we have about the dreams of others reflect our own internal lives. When we comment on someone else's dream we're really saying `if it were my dream....'" (Jeremy Taylor). For more information, visit http://www.jeremytaylor.com/marin.htm
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>>> Dream Survey : Are you having dreams about Islam?
http://dreamgate.com/dreamsofislam/
We are two Western Muslims, a British educator and an American writer, who are interested both in how dreams relate to the spiritual life, and in how Islam is presently perceived by Muslims and non-Muslims both in the west and in traditionally Muslim lands. We hope to collaborate on a book with the provisional title of Dreams of Islam. We are looking for striking or significant dreams about Islam from both Muslims and non-Muslims, dreams which have had a strong impact on you the dreamer, whether or not you think the content would seem "interesting" to an outsider. The Islamic content could refer to people, events, places, beliefs, practices, symbols, memories or associations, architecture, works of art, written or spoken words - anything specifically Islamic, or with an Islamic flavor.
You can fill out the survey at the website, or download the questions: http://dreamgate.com/dreamsofislam/ . For more information, contact Charles Upton : E-mail uptonjenny@hotmail.com
>>> Dreams that Have Inspired Wondrous Joy
I am gathering descriptions of dreams by a dream conversation, an awe-inspiring setting, a melody, a beautiful painting, or a joyful encounter with an animal. Your dream may have inspired wondrous joy through a delicious taste, a soul-energizing touch, a scent that overwhelms you with delight, a sound that soothes ... a color that enchants you ... Fully describe your own and others' feelings during the dream. Please include permission to use your dream descriptions in my research and writing projects. I also need your age, gender, race, nationality, and if possible, the background events and feelings that preceded your inspiring dream. I don't need your name and identifying information will be changed to ensure anonymity. One of the additional purposes of this research is to provide a source of inspiring dream images fro artists, writers, musicians, dancers, etc. Contact: Karen Boileau
dreamofjoy@aol.com . Karen F. Boileau, M.Ed., is a writer, community education instructor, dream counselor, and workshop facilitator. Karen has written several workbooks for her dream workshops and courses: "Artists Dreaming Joy"; "What Did You Dream Last Night?"; "Lose Weight Using Right-Brain Techniques"; and, "Stress, Dreams, and Intuition."
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us.
>>> Dreams and CRC Theory
http://www.mediaproxy.com/crc/crc.htm
Michael Coop presents speculations on his general CRC theory (Comprehension, Rationalisation & Conclusion, the mechanisms by
which people recognize and respond to their surroundings) using dreams and dreaming for illustration and example.
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D R E A M C A L E N D A R
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Sep 6-7 in San Rafael, CA.
"Advanced Archetypal Dream and Myth Study", a weekend seminar with Jeremy Taylor. For more information, contact th Marin Institute for Projective Dream Work, at 415.454.2793.
Sep 7-8 in San Francisco, CA
Exploring Dream Space with Maria Volchenko, Ph.D. For information, phone (510) 849-2791 or e-mail RIHeinze@juno.com
Sep 22-27 in Lenox, MA
"Dream Teacher Training", a five-day training program with Robert Moss. Requires Completion of at least two previous depth workshops with Robert. Pre-approval is required for registration. If you wish to enroll, please write to Robert -Robert@mossdreams.com or Box 215, Troy NY 12181.
Sep 22-Oct 6, online
PsiberDreaming Conference - sponsored by ASD, two weeks of cutting-edge papers, discussions, workshops, and chats. For more information on this event, go to:http://asdreams.org/psi2002/
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Dream Psi Conference Host Interview: Ed. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D.
Interview by Victoria Quinton
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Victoria Quinton (V.E.Q.): Which websites that are currently online provide some background on 'your take' on dreaming?
Ed. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D. (E.K.): I take a phenomenological approach to dreaming, in which I try to explore and to describe dreaming experience with a minimum of presuppositions as to its nature. This can prove far more difficult and complicated than many might imagine The ASD website provides the best background material on my approach, in particular through the various papers and abstracts I've posted on ASD's Paranormal Phenomena Forum:
http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy
with these specific links to:
"The Paranormal Phenomena FAQ"
http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy/faq_paranormal.htm
"A Mutual Lucid Dream Event"
http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy/kellogg_1997_mutual_lucid_dream_event.htm
the "ASD 2001 Dream Telepathy Contest: A Precognitive approach."
http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy/contest2001/kellogg.htm
Both of these short papers have a great deal to say about the
phenomenology of dream reality, and of dream perception. However, I deal most directly with this question more directly in the paper titled "Lucid Dreaming and the Phenomenological Epoché" that I presented at the ASD 2001 conference. You can read the abstract at:
http://dreamtalk.hypermart.net/2001/abstracts/2001_kellogg_01.htm
However, as far as other people's work and websites go, I particularly recommend Ingo Swann "Superpowers of the Biomind" website at:
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/
Ingo seems both a respected author and researcher in parapsychology, and rigorous scientific studies under controlled laboratory conditions have verified his own paranormal abilities on numerous occasions. In fact, he coined the term "Remote Viewing", and in large part designed the training protocol used successfully by the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in the 70's and 80's. I find his views and theories on the Universe mostly
congruent with my own, and illuminating in their own right. And I've hardly ever read anything funnier or as interesting as his serialized Remote Viewing The Real Story on-line book:
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/2.html
(V.E.Q.): Who is likely to be interested in ASD's forthcoming PsiberDreaming Conference?
Would you care to provide some information about it?
(E.K.): I feel that anyone with an interest in dreaming - ranging from beginners to experienced dreamworkers, will find the conference entertaining, thought provoking, and educational. Not only have we lined up some of the best known dreamworking experts in the world to present, but we've also encouraged them to focus on the more provocative and intriguing aspects of dreaming - "beyond the beyond". Participants will have a chance to interact with presenters through designated discussion boards, chats, and even e-mail. And the conference will also include workshops that teach exotic and esoteric dreaming skills, as well as psi-dreaming contests with prizes where participants can explore the realms of paranormal dreaming in a guided format. 3) Have you had a life-long interest in dreams? Yes. As a child, although I would jump out of bed on awakening in the morning, eager to explore what the waking world held, at night I would even more enthusiastically jump into bed to further explore the world of
dreams. Not much has changed, except these days I no longer jump out of bed in the morning. You see, while the waking world has lost much of its fascination for me, the dreaming world has not! <g To date I've recorded and indexed somewhere over 15,000 of my dreams, which must serve as some kind of testimonial to my continuing interest.
(V.E.Q.): Do you hand-write your dreams?
(E.K.): Yes - I get better recall that way. For me, typing requires more conscious attention on the physical level, and also requires that I get out of bed. The less I move from the dreaming position that I awaken in, and the less conscious attention I need to take in the transcribing process, the better my recall for dream details.
(V.E.Q.): Have you any recurring dream animals in your dreamscapes?
(E.K.): Many. For example, I had a whole series of dreams in which a wolf appeared, eventually changing from a hostile enemy to an ally and friend. In the climax of the series, I actually became a werewolf in a super lucid dream. On a more mundane level I often find my dog appearing in my dreams, as a friend and traveling companion. Although I see no way of confirming this, I'd feel willing to bet that in many instances I actually dream with him, in the sense of a mutual dream, and not of him, in a symbolic way. However, in general I find dreams in which I become an animal much more interesting and intriguing than dreams in which an animal simply appears.
(V.E.Q.): Do you use Active Imagination to find various of your inner characters, Ed?
(E.K.): Not really. And this gives me a chance to point out that I do not necessarily see all, or even most, of the entities that I encounter in dreams as "inner" characters, in the Jungian sense of 'characters representing aspects of my own personality or beingness'. Most of the dream entities I encounter I simply characterize as "other" - who I believe range from the dreamselves of other 'physical reality based people', to beings from 'who knows where'.
(V.E.Q.): Which of the elements water, fire, air or earth feature most in your dreams. Air - I do a lot of flying. 8) Have you ever created a work of art based on one of your dreams? Yes, many. From computer dreamscapes, to small statues and other dream artifacts. You can see one of my dreamscapes on my ASD member page. I even have a few dreamscapes, including that one, available as animations. Recent improvements and innovations in computer graphic art software has made it much easier to effectively and accurately reproduce the inner landscapes of dreams. The 'dreamscapes' I've created capture scenes from my dreams with about 90% +/- 10% fidelity. I used Bryce 3D to create the general background and environmental setting, Poser 3D for the figures, and Painter 5 to refine the basic graphic and to add all of the finishing touches. As software packages continue to develop and improve, it will become easier and easier for dreamers without highly developed artistic skills to create quickly and easily "pictures worth a thousand words". No matter how detailed, a dream report consists only of a pattern of words, that at best still fails adequately convey the living reality of the dream as experienced. In my experience, computer software graphics programs can serve as a connecting bridge, through the use of which one can recreate dreamscapes that can convey the living reality of a dream to someone other than the dreamer.
(V.E.Q.): Can you give examples of times when you have had deliberate mutual dreams with others?
(E.K.): I did a series of preliminary experiments (five formal target dates) with Linda Magallón and Robert Waggoner that worked quite well, in which we attempted to exchange randomly chosen gestures and code words. To prevent contamination, we designed a fairly elaborate "Lucid Mutual Dream Protocol" for reporting and communicating with each other. (You can read about the protocol at: http://www.asdreams.org/documents/1999_kellogg_lmdp_protocol.htm)
During those five experiments, we scored 3 exact hits (rated as the #1 choice out of 10 possible) for gestures by one lucid dreamer who apparently encountered the target dreamer, and one exact hit (rated as the #1 choice out of 100 possible) for a randomly chosen code word. The encounters where dreamers reported the greatest similarity of dreamscape details happened when two lucid dreamers (Linda M. and myself) met in dreams occurring one hour apart or so if I recall correctly. However, the best match of all happened spontaneously before we had fully developed the protocol, between Robert W. and myself at a dream lagoon, at - as far as we can tell - exactly the same clock time. Although Robert did not recall seeing me (I had a fully lucid dream, he had an 'ordinary' dream) our descriptions - and drawings - of the dream lagoon match each other in astonishing detail.
With thanks to Robert W:
"DreamLagoon" (EWKLagoonC.JPG)
EWK 7/2/-7/3/1998, Degree of Lucidity: Lucid to Fully Lucid
"... in a tropical setting, white sandy beach, palm trees, near a clear body of water like a lake or lagoon. I see Robert and suggest that we go swimming. Robert comments that he came back unexpectedly and did not bring any trunks. I tell him he does not need them, as he has not come here physically, but in his dream body. If he wants, he can materialize a pair. I look at [Robert] and see he has already materialized a pair of light turquoise blue and white patterned trunks, boxer style, with irregular large rounded splotches of color. At this point I really wake up to the fact that I dream also. I assume that he at least seems minimally lucid, although he has a sort of vague look in his eyes, unlike his usual focused and energetic expression. ... His clothing changes before my eyes, a pair of bright blue purple pants materializes under the trunks, and his whole outfit continues to morph until I see him dressed in a dark blue polo/golf style shirt, light gray or tan slacks, and a dark leather belt. ... Remembering the protocol we had so far established, I ask him for a code word - I've picked one on the spot ("Piglet") but let him say his first. He says "Cabbage Patch", and I wonder if he telepathically tuned into my word, and came up with one in the same genre. I tell him my choice - "Piglet" twice, and even spell it out for him P..I..G..L..E..T, and put it in context - "the character from Winnie the Pooh". [Robert] does not look particularly lucid, he has a vague look and lacks the animation I would expect from him in a fully lucid state. I feel annoyed that this possible lucid mutual dream follows so closely on the one two days ago, when I have still not set up a detailed protocol. Still, I've done the best I could with this, carefully noting details and exchanging code words. Nevertheless, in a fit of pique I go over to a wall/rock and punch a hole though it, rock dust flies everywhere. ... "
COMMENT: This dream occurred during the preliminary stages of developing a lucid mutual dreaming protocol. However the communications protocol followed at that time did conform to these basic rules: 1. All communications between dreamers after the possible spontaneous lucid mutual dream event occur through e-mail to insure full documentation, and; 2. That the dreamers involved did not exchange dream reports directly, but sent their reports, diagrams etc. to a third party, who validated them as to the time of arrival, and who then compiled the reports and only then sent this compilation back to the dreamers involved. Robert's dreams for that night also included one that he had at about the same time as my dream, that occurred on a tropical island with a lagoon with many similarities to mine. For example, he specifically included the words "sand", "beach", and "lagoon-like" in his report. Both of us later did graphical representations of our apparently shared dreamscape - they show a number of remarkable congruencies. Although Robert did not recall seeing me in his dream, he later reported a "puff of sand type event" that occurred in his dream that he vaguely remembers but did which he did not include in his original report.
Pictures:
http://www.alphalink.net.au/~mermaid/psidream.htm
Read two more Dream Psi Interviews at
http://www.alphalink.net.au/~mermaid/psidream.htm
Read the Interview with Linda Magallón below
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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In this excerpt Robert Waggoner responds to a reader's question regarding the interpretation of lucid dreams.
Interpreting Lucid Dreams: Letting the Symbols Speak
(c) Robert Waggoner
In the last LDE, Edith raised a thought-provoking question, when she asked if, "...customary kinds of dream analysis are appropriate or useful when applied to lucid experiences?" So lucid dreamers, are lucid dreams open to normal dream analysis? Or do they fall in a special category? If so, how so?
One of my early joys in lucid dreaming was asking the dream characters what they or some dream object represented. Twenty years ago, I became lucid as I stood in a sunny snow covered yard:
As I turned, I saw dozens of gems on the steps of the porch where my friend Andrea stood looking down at me. Recalling my waking curiosity about dream symbolism, I picked up one gem and called to Andrea, "What does this represent?" She looked back at me and said with conviction, "Hope. And consciousness." I decided to wake up and write down this response. Upon waking, it seemed like such a wonderful concept - to become lucid and have the dream characters explain the symbolism! No more Jungian this or Freudian that - when lucid, you could get the symbolism straight from the dream!
Yet, for every insight that lucid dreaming seems to bring, a dozen questions seem to follow. A few years later, I was part of a lucid dream correspondence group headed by Linda Magallón, and one of our monthly lucid dream goals was to become lucid and find out what the characters represent. So one night, I became lucid walking across the parking lot at night in a dream:
I recalled the goal and followed a woman into a building. Once inside, I saw a reception area with a receptionist, another woman seated in a chair and a rather avuncular man in a three piece suit standing there, smiling. I mentally debated whom to ask and decided on the man. I walked up to him and said firmly, "What do you represent?" Suddenly, a voice boomed out of the space above him, "The unrecognized characteristics!!" I thought about that for a moment, somewhat shocked, and managed a retort, "The unrecognized characteristics of what?!!" Again, the energetic voice boomed from above, "The unrecognized characteristics of the Happy Giver!!" With that, I told myself to wake up and write this down.
Two things stunned me. First, the "Voice" from above was a new development. Instead of a dream character responding in an expected manner, something completely unexpected had happened. Was the "Voice" my Superego? My Higher Self? The subliminal dream producer/narrator behind the dream? And what about all of the booming vocal energy? Moreover, what did that response mean, "The unrecognized characteristics of the Happy Giver!" ? How was that response associated with the portly, avuncular, smiling man in the three piece suit with the gold watch chain?
The next day, it hit me - I understood the Voice's response, the connection with the dream's symbolism and how it was related to this waking event from the day before: Earlier that afternoon, I happened to meet a woman who was involved in a charity. As we talked, I was shocked by the woman's mean spirited insinuations about her donors' lack of generosity and dubious motives for giving. When I walked away, I mentally mused to myself a bit sardonically, "The lord loves a Happy Giver." - as a wry comment on this woman who seemed such an un-happy receiver. The waking event of talking with this woman had been the emotional highpoint of a so-so business day. So, in some incredible way, my dream/lucid dream seemed to be making comment on the day's "significant emotions" and was using a portly avuncular man in a three piece suit with a gold chained watch, as the epitome of the "Happy Giver".
Yet I wondered, what might have happened had I asked each dream character what they represented? What about the receptionist? Would she have displayed some symbolic aspect of "receiving" from others? And what about the woman seated in the chair? Was she the anima, the "female aspect" of the Happy Giver? Or did they play other roles? And what if I had ignored them all and walked past the receptionist into the rest of the office? What then? Would the emotional value of the Happy Giver symbolism recast itself in these new environments, under new forms?
A wonderful aspect of lucid dreaming is that when lucid, you can simply stop and marvel at the beauty, verisimilitude and procession of the dreaming world around you. If curious, you can simply stop and marvel at the process. When I have done this, I have become aware of the beautiful associational parade of symbols around me. Lucid, I pick up that the old green car (reminiscent of one from my childhood) should "naturally" be parked under that type of tree and is "obviously" followed by a boy on that old style of bicycle, which is related to that new symbol entering the dream (a battered skateboard) and on and on, in a wondrous, interlocking chain of associations - some expected and some not expected, some deep and some shallow - but all seeming to make a type of associational sense that only I, the dreamer, could ever follow or relate or explain.
Lest one leave this article thinking that "dreaming" is simply a parade of emotionally associated symbols and that "lucid dreaming" means gaining control over this simplistic process, then please consider this lucid dream:
I had become lucid and was having a blast taking some people through a university setting and flying about. At one point we came upon an open green campus space with a lovely bell tower in the distance. Lucid, I turned to my small group and told them, "Look! At the count of three, we will all make that bell ring! Okay?" Then, I counted "one", but as I turned back towards the bell tower, I saw off to the right a small group assemble. And as I counted "two", that small group suddenly seemed to have musical instruments! And as I yelled, "Three!" expecting the bell tower to ring wildly due to our collective willing, instead, this small group began to play their instruments at that exact moment.
In some odd way, I had made "noise" in the lucid dream, but not in the way my lucid intent was intending. How was it that my lucid intent was subverted? Did some unconscious associational process come into play, whereby a "band" is more likely to make noise than a bell tower? Did I use an emotionally or associationally charged word in the creation of my intentional statement, perhaps telling my group we will make "music", and that initiated the creation of a band of music makers on the side? Whatever the reason, this incident expressed to me that even in lucid dreams we are largely riding the power and purpose of dreaming. When lucid, our freedom within the dreaming has grown considerably; nevertheless, we remain within the dreaming.
So Edith, in answer to your question, yes, "customary kinds of dream analysis" may be valid for "some" lucid dreaming. Yet lucid dreaming has the inherent capacity to trump "customary kinds of dream analysis" when the lucid dreamer gets the analysis from the dream itself. Moreover, experiments and natural experiences in lucid dreaming may more clearly show the actual processes of symbol creation, association and meaning than any theoretical model of dream analysis, heretofore considered. In some ways, it is amazing that lucid dreaming and lucid dreamers have not already developed new theories of dream symbol process and meaning, because of their unique capacity for in situ observation and experimentation.
An excellent research opportunity for some graduate student would be an analysis of lucid dream symbolism, immediately prior to becoming lucid and immediately preceding the loss of lucid awareness and the return to normal dreaming (this is fairly common in beginning lucid dreamers). In my own lucid dreams, I finally began to notice that the dream symbolism before lucidity and the dream post-lucidity bore symbolic commonalities, as if the inertial direction of the dream interrupted by lucidity maintained its course, once the lucidity had disappeared.
In larger terms, however, lucid dreaming is simply a better and more probing tool from which to understand and comprehend the true immensity of the dreaming process. Given the resources, lucid dreaming would show that dreaming involves even more than symbolic restatements of inner issues, wish fulfillments and emotional conflicts, etc. Given the resources, I feel lucid dreaming would show actual mental processes in the unconscious and aspects of the deeper identity upon which our puny awareness rides. Given the resources, I feel lucid dreaming would rework our understanding of the psyche and the collective aspects of the unconscious with which it communicates.
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The World of Psi-Dreaming:
An Interview with Linda Lane Magallón, MBA
by Richard Wilkerson
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Linda Lane Magallón is just the person one wants to contact to find out about dream psi. Following the Jane Roberts/Seth model of the "Dream-Art Scientist," she has spent over two decades researching lucid, mutual, telepathic and flying dreams. As an observer-participant type of field researcher, she has dreamt along with the other members of her dreaming team.
Linda authored the ground-breaking book, *Mutual Dreaming* (New York: Pocket Books, 1997). She's held telepathy experiments for magazines like FATE and American Psychic Magazine as well as mutual dreaming projects for Electric Dreams. To help find dreamers for her half a hundred projects and experiments, Linda served as editor and publisher of the principal magazine in the dream field, Dream Network, became coordinator of the Seth Dream Network and dipped into the lucid dream community before creating the Fly-By-Night Club research group.
With Fred Olsen, she co-founded the Bay Area Dreamworkers Group (BADG), where she held still more interactive projects. Eventually BADG presented her with an honorary "Doctoral Degree in Social Dreamology."
Linda was also a founding board member of the Association For the Study of Dreams (ASD). She has presented papers and hosted dream psi panels at several of ASD's annual conferences. In 2001, she helped design the conference web site and created the four picture targets for the Dream Telepathy Contest.
Her web site, Dream Flights, can be found at:
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
E-mail CaseyFlyer@aol.com
[Richard] : Hi Linda. Thanks for joining us for an interview on this topic of psi dreaming.
[Linda] : Hi Richard. Thanks for inviting me.
[Richard] : So, let's start with the definition of psi dreaming, since it means so many different things to so many different people. Some think of prophecies, other telepathy, and some remote seeing. What is it that ties these various modes together under one definition?
[Linda] : The term "psi" was developed as a neutral term to mean extrasensory perception (ESP) plus psychokinesis (PK). I mean that it is "neutral" because it makes no presumption about the nature of these phenomena, whether they be "normal" or "supernormal." In practice, the term has come to mean what-can-be-verified, by experimentation and matching it with physical existence. For the dreamer, "psi" means you can do reality checks on your sleep experiences by comparing them with waking life or other people's dreams.
[Richard] : Do you have any explanation on why psi dreaming occurs?
[Linda] : Like a computer hooked up to a modem, I believe that we always have access to social dreamspace just as we always have access to the Internet. But most dreams we're just playing with our own software on the desktop (just having private dreams). Likewise, I believe that we always have access to past and future (even probable universes), but most dreams we're tuning into the present.
In other words, psi dreaming is evidence of how human perception actually works; that we live in a wider universe than what is postulated by scientific materialism. The real question is: why aren't folks having dream psi experiences all the time? I think there are several reasons.
Some people do realize when they have a dream psi experience, but if their culture doesn't acknowledge it, they keep the fact to themselves. Or, dream psi is not a high interest, so they don't talk about it unless someone asks them.
Others ignore or repress the fact because it would threaten their cherished beliefs about how the universe is supposed to work.
We aren't educated for 12+ years in dreams and psi, like we are for visual, tactile and auditory information, so clues to psi can go unnoticed. For instance, some people don't realize when they have such an experience because the literal fact is hidden under symbols.
People with "thin boundaries" (Ernest Hartmann's term) are more sensitive to inner perception, feelings, emotions, imagery, etc. Those with "thin boundaries" are more likely to let psi through, when conditions are right.
But other people don't have such experiences because they have "thick boundaries." The subtle information carried by delicate psychic means is drowned out by the noise of their 5 senses, and they are more focused towards physical reality than they are towards inner space. They're not as likely to recall regular dreams and, unless the information is emotionally very "loud" (like a nightmare), they won't recall psi dreams either.
[Richard] : I'd like to ask you about the projects at Maimonides. It appears that the most extensive research on dreams and parapsychological occurrences come from the decade of studies conducted at the Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn. The fifty-plus published articles summarized both in a technical monograph (Ullman and Krippner, 1970) as well as two editions of the popular book *Dream Telepathy* with Ullman, Krippner and Vaughan, (1973, 1989) are quite authoritative, but now decades old. What do you think of this research?
[Linda] : The Maimonides research was excellent in its day. Bob Van de Castle has more to say about it in his book, *The Dreaming Mind.* Since then, lab research has been quite limited due to lack of funding, so, for the most part, new findings come from field research, instead.
[Richard] : Such as?
[Linda] : Such as, dream telepathy experiment is not limited to telepathic responses. Psi can work in any of the traditionally accepted forms and more. Nor are all dreams directed at the supposed target. Psi is a much wider network. The dreams might connect with the "sender," with other targets, with other participants, with friends and spouses, with other dreams in other projects! And a psi dream doesn't necessarily show up when you expect it. Time is slippery in the dream state.
[Richard] : In your book *Mutual Dreaming* you discuss the ways in which two or more people may be engaged in psi dreaming. Can you talk a little about what mutual and shared dreaming is and how this may be psychic dreaming?
[Linda] : The most generic definition of mutual dreaming is, "Something in my dream corresponds to something in your dream." The two classic mutual dreams are meshing and meeting. For meshing dreams, we share themes, emotions or symbols; or the wording of our dream reports is quite similar.
In a meeting dream event, I see you and you see me. Shared dreaming occurs when partners go to sleep with the intent to meet in their dreams.
Some mutual dreams aren't psi experiences. They may be due to shared day residue (we both went to the beach together, then both dreamt about it). Or to shared psychological history (we got angry at one another and both had burning house dreams). Or because we had the common intent to dream about the same subject (we incubated lunar dreams and we both had dreams about the moon).
The psi explanations include shared precognition, telepathy, clairvoyance, empathy and so forth.
[Richard] : Are you expanding your research into lucid mutual dreaming?
[Linda] : Being a lucid dreamer myself, I've been doing lucid psi research from the beginning. The challenge for me now is to write up what I've discovered. I did post my "ESP in Lucid Dreams" paper and illustrations on my web site. And I am contributing articles to *The Lucid Dream Exchange.*
Richard] : What are your recommendations for those who would like to develop their psi dreaming talents?
[Linda] : The art of dreaming is certainly a developmental skill. To master recall, recording, lucidity and OBEs, incubation and the like, will support your dream psi exploration. For psi, it's not so much a case of developing talent as it is of becoming aware of that level of perception. Of concentrating and directing focus of attention. And of becoming aware of your own personal dream symbols so you can decode them to discover evidence of psi.
Participating in group projects, like ASD Psiberdreaming, will surely help!
[Richard] : Do you feel that the Association for the Study of Dreams has contributed to the advancement of psi dreaming?
[Linda] : Yes. The upcoming Psiberdreaming Conference is one example. Off-line, ASD features presentations on psi dreams during its annual conference. It also holds an annual dream telepathy experiment. Nowadays, people at a distance can participate, by sending in their dreams via e-mail. The ASD web site has a special psi section (hosted by Ed Kellogg) and people can ask questions and provide comments about dream psi subjects on the Bulletin Board forum (hosted by Jean Campbell. Both Ed and Jean are field researchers.
[Richard] : Dream psi and the Seth groups seem to be closely connected. Many of the people in the dream psi field seem to have drawn early inspiration and direction from Jane Robert's books and channeled writings. What's the scoop here, what is the connection?
[Linda] : Jane Roberts' Seth has a lot of intriguing things to say about dreams. He constantly encouraged the folks in Jane's groups to explore their dreams as a user-friendly way to get first-hand experience of psi. Jane herself was a prime psi dreamer-she's a good model for others to follow.
The light-hearted emphasis continued when groups gathered to read and discuss Jane's books and to do projects and experiments in dream psi. Nowadays, Seth groups can be found on the Internet. It certainly helps to have like-minded fellows to support your exploration in a comparatively unknown field. It's fun, too.
Richard] : Speaking of the Internet, has the online connection done much for dream psi support?
[Linda] : There are some web sites with psi information, like my own. The best interactive opportunities are the news groups like alt.dreams.lucid (hosted by Janice Brooks), and the SethWorks group.
[Richard] : What do you recommend as a "starter" book for those who want to get an overview of the field of psi dreaming?
[Linda] : I recommend Loyd Auerbach's *Psychic Dreaming: A Parapsychologist's Handbook," (New York: Warner Books, 1991) as a literary overview. But, to tell you the truth, the best inspiration for having psi dreams comes from reading the experiences of others like Jane or Oliver Fox. Or from sharing with a group of psi dreamers.
[Richard] : How about a book recommendation for those who feel they have some skills and a little knowledge in the field and want a really challenging book?
[Linda] : How about *Mutual Dreaming*? :-) I also have an extensive list of psi books and references on my Dream Psi web site, http://members.aol.com/dreampsi/archive/index.html
[Richard] : Is there anything else you feel that people would benefit in knowing about dream psi?
[Linda] : Come to the Psiberdreaming Conference! You can reach it at http://www.asdreams.org/psi2002/
There will be several researchers sharing their knowledge and experience. I'm posting a paper called "Oh, Rats, I'm Not a Xerox Machine! Real Results of Dream Telepathy."
[Richard] : OK, Linda, thanks so much for sharing your views and experience with us!
[Linda] : You're welcome, Richard.
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Also, see Linda's article below: The Lady with the Wide Brimmed Hat (c) 2002 Linda Lane Magallón
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A Briefing on the History of Dream Psi Research
by Richard Wilkerson
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"While awake, our view of ourselves is one in which we see and stress our autonomy, our individuality, our discreetness. We define our own boundaries and we try to work with them. What I'm suggesting, and which is not at all novel, is that our dreaming self is organized along a different principle. Our dreaming self is more concerned with our connection with *all* others."
Montague Ullman, pg 217 Dream Telepathy 2nd ed
Written records of dream prophecy and strange phenomena occurring during dreams go back to the beginning of writing itself. (note the dream prophecies in cuneiform and the Egyptian Deral-Madineh), and we can only assume that extrasensory dreaming contributed to some of human kinds earliest observations & concerns. Cicero, nearly 2000 years ago discusses the probability of prophetic dreams. Research disappears or goes underground then until the 18th and 19th century, due in no small part to Christianity seeing dream interest as witchcraft.
By the late 19th Century, the London Society for Psychical Research had formed and began documenting psychic dreaming along with other independent researchers. Many people reported having had dreams that corresponded to an event distant in time or space. These & other similar surveys continued throughout the 1950's and re confirmed that people at least *felt* they were having psi experiences in dreams.
Therapists since 1900 have been privy to the dreams of their patients and a number of clinical studies arose. In 1953 George Devereux published PSYCHOANALYSIS AND THE OCCULT which summaries these many clinical accounts.
Although Jung regarded spirits as only psychic complexes in his early period, he changed his position in his later work.
When Jung was a student at Burgholzi he attended séances that centered on a fifteen-year-old girl who channeled what Jung felt was a wiser part of her self. Eventually the two personalities merged, which confirmed Jung s perception that the channeled spirit was a split off autonomous complex. But later he felt that a purely psychological explanation of psyche was inadequate to explain the range of psi phenomena and that there was a deep place were psyche and matter and spirit meet. This opens up the whole question of the transpsychic reality immediately underlying the psyche (Jung, CW * The psychological Foundations of Belief in Spirits )*
By 1929 Jung was observing dreams and related events that required a larger viewpoint. He noticed in series of dreams of his patients that various motifs would appear in material reality, both literally and figuratively as if related, such as a black-clad dream figure preceding news the next day of a death. To account for both the inner & outer realities in a way that didn't rely on the idea of cause and effect, Jung proposed the idea of Synchronicity. In synchronicity, events are related by meaning and connected by the activation of an unconscious archetype with may appear either in psyche or in material reality. The attraction of such a theory is that is shifts our view away from the idea that psi-capacity is simply the grasping of future, distant or mental event as an object, furthering only our technologically minded theories. Rather it moves us towards the idea that what is significant lies in the relationship between the events, or in the event itself. The two viewpoints don t exclude one another, but rather compliment each other.
Jung felt there was a need to include psi phenomena long before 1929. One of the instances that contributed to the Freud/Jung break was around an psychic event.
Jung and Freud were engaged in a heated argument about the occult and paranormal, focusing on precognition. Freud was vehemently against it. A loud crack was heard from the bookcase, which startled them. Jung said it was an example of catalytic exteriorization phenomena, and Freud thought this was bull. Jung predicted another noise and another crack happened, which quite upset Freud, though did little to convince him.
Maimonides
By far the most extensive research on dreams and parapsychological occurrences come from the decade of studies conducted at the Maimodides Medical Center in Brooklyn. The 50+ published articles are summarized both in a technical monograph (Ullman and Krippner, 1970) as well as two editions of the popular book DREAM TELEPATHY with Ullman, Krippners and Vaughn, (1973, 1989).
Ullman was the chair of the Psych Department at the Center and after some preliminary studies with Parapsychological Foundation in 1960, the lab was established (1962). The basic procedure was to have the participant hooked up to an EEG and sleep in a soundproof room. After going to sleep, the target picture was revealed, usually an art piece selected by random and given to an agent 32 to 98 feet away (sometimes longer). When REM began, the agent began "sending" the picture, and after 10-20 minutes the sleeper was awakened and the dream recorded. The next morning the sleeper was shown 8-12 pictures and asked to rank them in terms of how closely they matched the emotions of the dreams. many variations and subject combinations were used. Some as exotic as having the 2,000 dead heads from a Grateful Dead concert see and send the picture 45 miles away to Malcolm Bessent in the lab. The results were significant, but it would be a very hard design to replicate! This seemed to be the overall conclusion of the studies. Dream psi is very elusive.
The research lab of the famous David Foulkes in Wyoming attempted to replicate some of the experiments without results, though to this day the story seems to be that the lab was rather hostile & unfriendly to the "loaned" subject, Robert van De Castle and the conditions less than favorable for psychic hits.
What are the conditions that seem to make dream psi favorable? Here is a summary:
1. States of consciousness that interrupted normal consciousness lead to higher psi- and the interrupted state is
even higher than altered states.
2. Like a siren the results of psi become promising then can utterly fail
3. Experimental conditions that are friendly and optimistic produce higher hits
4. Subjects that get sent images can feel intruded upon -
5. State specific conditions - psychics develop skills under spacial conditions, and the labs are not conducive to this
6. Distance between states important
7. full moon conducive to psi
8 statistically, precognitive dreams come true within a day of two
9. Decreasing the irrelevant simulation of a subject during an ESP test increased the accessibility of psi 10. So, for psi dreaming to occur, it is important to emphasize the role of expectation, motivation, and emotion. For example, those who are open to a telepathic experience of a sender are more likely to have hits than those who are uncomfortable with the thought of having his or her dreams invaded by someone else.
Much of the research since Maimonides has been privately funded (see as an exception the work of Dale E. Graf, a physicist and a former director of project STARGATE, the government program that investigated remote viewing phenomena. http://www.dalegraff.com/ ) and is usually presented at conferences of the Association for the Study of Dreams. ASD now has a special forum on parapsychological dreaming hosted by Ed. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D. at http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy
Is there anything still left to be investigated, and is it worth our efforts? In a final response to this question, I would like to quote from Stanley Krippner:
"...I devoted ten years of my life to parapsychological research because of a lifetime curiosity concerning the scope of human consciousness as well as a commitment to the development of human potential. The findings about ESP and PK, sparse though they may be, suggest that there exists in the universe a dimension that is ignored, unacknowledged, and virtually unexplored. This dimension of existence could teach us more than we know about time and space. It could expand our development of intellect, emotion, intuition, and creativity. It might even demonstrate that human beings do not end at the boundaries of the skin, but exist as part of a network of consciousness which connects one person to another person distant in space and time." (Stanley Krippner_ Call of the Siren_ , pg 290)
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Conscious State Psi (CSP) and Dream State Psi (DSP):
A Combined Approach to Psi Exploration and Application
By Dale Graff
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It is well known that our psychic or extrasensory (ESP) faculties can be active while we are in a variety of mental states including awake and highly alert, relaxed states, dreaming and in deeper trance-like conditions. In the awake state, we may have a hunch, a sudden impulse for action, or experience a synchronicity. We may even have a visual, auditory or other sensory impression that proves to be of an ESP origin. Dreams have been known for centuries to be highly conducive for experiencing ESP, especially of situations that have not yet occurred. Such precognitive dreams are the most common type of psychic dream and can be experienced by anyone. Most of the reported psychic incidents are spontaneous and unplanned. However, with intention and perseverance, we can experience them most anytime, while awake or especially when asleep in dreams. When we work with this latent psychic ability that we all have, we can begin to apply our talents to a variety of needs.
There are several terms commonly used to describe psychic phenomena. It may be useful to review some of them to clarify what the terms mean.
1. Remote Viewing
The term, remote viewing (RV) refers to an unknown mental process that enables us to perceive spatial or temporal information that is shielded from our ordinary senses of sight, sound, taste, smell or touch. This is essentially the same definition that has also been used for extrasensory perception (ESP), a term popularized by Dr. J.B. Rhine at the Duke University Parapsychology Laboratory in the 1930s. Remote viewing was first used by individuals at the American Society for Psychical Research (ASPR) in New York in the early 1970s and subsequently adapted by physicists who were researching this phenomenon at the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) International, Menlo Park, CA. The emphasis on viewing resulted from the research objectives or describing concealed objects or pictures and distant scenes. The early SRI research with distant sites (targets) typically had a beacon person or outbound experimenter travel to a randomly selected location. A remote viewer sequestered in a room at SRI would then attempt while awake but relaxed, to describe that location primarily by making sketches of the visual impressions received during the experimental period or session. It was discovered that sketches of the visual impressions usually correlated well with the features at the target area. However, the remote viewer frequently misidentified them. The RV process appeared to be more like pattern matching and was independent of how we know or name something. This misnaming characteristic became even more apparent when the RV targets were pictures in sealed envelopes and there was no beacon person or target observer. This no observer protocol is referred to as double blind protocol.
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The term, remote viewing, also had political significance. It avoided the unnecessary and often troublesome images of psychics and clairvoyants that popular media portrayed at that time. During the early phase of RV research and the initial part of the STARGATE application activity, remote viewing was achieved by setting the intention to do so and then waiting expectantly for impressions. The emphasis was on encouragement, setting the objective, desire or intent, patience and practice. Later in the applications portion of the STARGATE program, certain procedures were developed as a type of training or learning method for assisting the RV process. The researchers at SRI did not adopt these or any other methods. They continued with the simpler approach of setting intention as the best method for initiating or facilitating the RV process. This approach was successful even with individuals who had no prior psychic experiences.
Currently, there are individuals who are making unsubstantiated claims that method A or protocol B or something else is the only way to achieve RV, or that it is not RV unless certain procedures (or recipes) are vigorously followed. There is nothing in the original definition of RV that presupposes the need for a particular approach. This over-emphasis on procedures is probably for marketing purposes only. Some individuals prefer such an approach, while others experience them as being too complex and cumbersome. One size does not fit all.
Since the early RV research days, there has been an evolution in the meaning of the term, remote viewing. Initially, the term really meant "viewing," as in visual type data. RV practitioners now consider RV to include all other types of sensory impressions as well, and that RV can be for past or future situations, as in remote viewing of the future or precognition.
As you can see, what started as a neutral term to avoid associations to older terms such as clairvoyance, telepathy, or even precognition, has come full circle. It was recognized early on that remote viewing was like clairvoyance or "clear seeing," a term used over a century ago by French investigators to describe phenomenon similar to remote viewing. But is the term, remote viewing, the best one for describing the phenomenon? For me, I prefer the term, psi. I do use the term remote viewing to indicate a specific type of psi, particularly when pictures or real locations are the targets.
2. Psi Phenomena
In the early 1940s, British researchers at the Society for Psychical Research (SPR) in London used the symbol y, or psi, pronounced "sigh" as a neutral way of identifying psychic phenomena and to avoid presumptions as to what it was or how it functioned. The term psi also distanced the researchers from unfavorable associations that were presented in the media and brought on by some psychic practitioners. Psi has two aspects; either informational (i.e., ESP, clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition and now remote viewing), or energetic (i.e., mind-matter interaction or psychokinesis).
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Psi also includes past or future (precognition) information and can occur in any type of mental state3/4awake, asleep or some other level of consciousness. Psi, the 23rd letter of the Greek alphabet is like "X," the unknown used in mathematical equations. Psi, therefore, represents an unknown mental process and does not imply any explanatory or operating concept, nor does it focus on any specific sensory data type.
My preference is to use the term psi in my own research and writings. All parapsychological researchers and some practitioners use this term. As you may have noted, psi frequently appears in media presentations and general publications. I use the terms, Conscious State Psi (CSP) and Dream State Psi (DSP) as an aid in keeping track of when psi occurs.
It is often convenient to use a specific term such as remote viewing, clairvoyance, telepathy, or precognition depending on the situation. These are subsets of psi and can help us understand something about the source of psi or how it is presented to conscious or dream awareness.
3. Telepathy
In the late 1800s, researchers at the Society for Psychical Research in London used the term telepathy, or "distant feeling," to represent instances of when someone felt that something had happened to another at a distant location. This term followed from the emerging understanding of electromagnetic radiation and the telegraph. Researchers suspected that in certain instances individuals could experience what someone distant felt through some type of electromagnetic radiation emitted by brain activity. Today we know through experiments with shielded rooms that electromagnetics is not involved in how psi functions. Eventually, telepathy became associated with any type of information that someone knew, not only feelings or emotions. Thus, telepathy continues to be commonly used to represent what appears to be direct mind-to-mind contact. Telepathic connections can become known while awake and especially during sleep while dreaming.
There is considerable experimental and experiential evidence indicating the reality of something like telepathy. Some of the results may have been from remote viewing or clairvoyance of the target pictures. The most significant pioneering dream telepathy research occurred during the 1960s at the Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, New York. (See Dream Telepathy, Ullman, Krippner, Vaughn). I have also performed independent research that replicates these results and confirms mind-to-mind connectivity. Some psi researchers consider telepathy to be we accessing our knowledge of the time when we receive feedback of the psi task, and not us accessing what someone else sees or knows. I consider both of these views as possible. However, I lean strongly toward mind-to-other mind contact, and not me to my future knowledge. I plan to set up experiments later this year to explore whose mind is the source in telepathic experiments.
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Whatever or however, the evidence of telepathic information presented to us during dreaming is very strong. During sleep we are indeed scanning our psyche and psychic regions, and we can often wake up recalling dreams with information that is shielded from our ordinary ways of sensing or knowing.
4. Sensing and Knowing
It may be helpful to consider the difference between sensing and knowing, as this may help us understand various interpretations or experiences of psi phenomena.
Sensing refers to what enters into our conscious or subliminal awareness through our external sense organs of eyes, ears, nose, taste and touch. However, the interpretation of our sensory inputs is something we learn. We "know" i.e., name or give meaning to, a sensory experience only after we associate in some way or call from memory its significance. For example, we observe a golf ball. Unless we had prior experience by witnessing someone hit one down a fairway, or unless someone explained its purpose, there would be no way for us to understand or know what it was. The part of our brain that stores the image memory of "golf ball" is not the same as the part that connects with its meaning or purpose. Somehow our brain mechanisms link object with meaning when we see or think, golf ball. The words, cognition or perception are often used in describing the results of our sensory experiences. These terms mean knowledge gained by understanding what we see or otherwise experience.
The RV research showing a good correlation between the remote viewer's sketch and the distant area features, and a poor correlation between what the remote viewer thought it was, illustrates a psi process possibility. The remote viewer may have accessed a type of sensory information storage medium, something like a hologram that files images but not their meaning. Such a "mind" hologram would be accessible by an unknown mental interaction3/4the psi process. Psi, including RV, experiments have been successful even when no one knows the target (double blind protocol). However, the psi or RV participant could not identify the target material unless it was easily recognized and familiar. These results suggest that such a hypothetical "mind hologram" is only "half-a-mind" hologram. It does not contain or link with the object's or area feature's meaning. This correlates with the left-right brain hemisphere specialization. Our left brain hemisphere is primarily involved in logical and linear thought, and our right brain hemisphere is primarily involved in pattern recognition and non-linear processes.
What happens when telepathy occurs? The data gathered from experiments and experiences demonstrates strong evidence that a direct mind-to-mind connection can occur in either of two ways: (1) access of sensory information only, or (2) access of the interpretation of the sensory data. Some results from telepathy experiments with target observers (senders) indicates that some individuals prefer, possibly subconsciously, one of these two ways or paths but not both.
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For the sensory results, it is difficult to distinguish if the sensory data storage part of the brain/mind was accessed or if the picture or scene observed by the sender was accessed directly via remote viewing or clairvoyance. Experiments with "only thought" or visualized targets have also been successful for both sensory and interpretative (meaning) information. This suggests that what is sensed and interpreted by someone can become known by a psi sensitive. But maybe not both at the same time. In my psi dream experiments when a target picture observer is present, I have found that one dream may reveal the sensory information such as the visual content, and a follow-on dream may reveal the picture's meaning or context. Precognitive experiments usually indicate that sensory visual data, its forms and colors, is perceived accurately but not its meaning. This suggests that precognition may not involve our future feedback, since we can see and interpret or know what we see at that future time.
There is another aspect to telepathy that links it with precognition. Since it is possible to detect or access someone's thoughts about the psi target, then it also possible to access someone's intention for future action, even if no written or pictorial material existed for that intention. We may perceive this intention in a dream, particularly if it was of significant consequence for others or ourselves. When the intention is accomplished, the event would look like precognition3/4that is, we had dreamt of a future incident. Since Sept. 11, I have heard of many accounts of precognition prior to the attack. However, I suspect that these psi dreams were actually accessing current plans, and not a fixed future approaching us. See InPAC on my web page for additional discussion on this important topic. http://www.dalegraff.com
Could it be that individuals who have an easy time establishing rapport are more prone to connecting with personal and interpretative information; whereas those who are abstract or analytical would connect with only the cognitive and impersonal regions or aspects of the brain/mind?
As you can see, there are many facets to consider about how psi functions. Fortunately, uncertainties of the principles of psi do not need to deter us from being open to psi and seeking ways in which its data can be helpful and applied.
5. Combining Remote Viewing and Psi Dreaming
One of my independent research objectives is to discover if Conscious State Psi (CSP), including remote viewing, and Dream State Psi (DSP), including dream telepathy, can be synergistic. That is, can a combined conscious state and dream state approach to the same psi task provide more or different information than either one alone? For example, consider a psi project where you are asked to describe a picture that someone is observing. You may desire to access the picture directly via CSP (remote viewing) by achieving a relaxed state to receive any cognitive impressions that corresponds to the target.
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After sketching your impressions, you put them aside and then re-focus on accessing the same target picture later that night in a dream. You can do this by incubating a psi dream that presents the target picture to you. You may explore two types of psi or telepathic dreams: (1) Set your intention to experience a psi dream that shows the visual content of the picture. After that occurs, (2) Set your intention to experience a psi or telepathic dream that presents the meaning of the target picture as known by the picture's observer. The dreams may be similar, especially if the target picture has familiar elements. However, some aspects of the target picture may not be familiar, and the second dream may accurately present the picture's meaning and be very different from the first one.
After wake up, see if you can develop a composite of the conscious state RV phase and the dream material. I think you will be surprised as to how these two methods when combined, provide a better overall representation of the psi objective or target.
While this example is for an experimental situation, it can be applied to any psi task, including one that has application potential. For example, you may have lost something. By seeking CSP and DSP information, you can improve your chances of locating where it is. Of course, a variety of other challenging psi projects come to mind.
Since the early definition of RV did not specify if RV occurred in an awake or dream state, we can consider "dream RV" as a valid descriptive term, especially when the psi target is a picture or scene. The terms we use, as you can see, have more to do with personal preference than with absolute knowledge of what psi is and how it functions.
When we exercise one psi mode we also help develop the other. Our psi process is ever ready, awake or asleep. So why not explore both of them?
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CURRENT ACTIVITIES
at Baycliff Psi Seminars
By Dale Graff
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A variety of psi research and application and educational activities are being performed at Baycliff Psi Seminars (BPS), an independent facility located in Maryland, USA. Both Conscious State Psi (CSP) and Dream State Psi (DSP) are examined. CSP has psi categories usually referred to as extra sensory perception (ESP) and remote viewing (RV). DSP examines telepathic and precognitive potential of the dream state and can include dreams about places or areas unknown to the dreamer. The dream formats are ordinary and lucid. Lucid dreaming is a state in which the dreamer is aware that he or she is dreaming.
Conscious state and dream state psi investigations include experiments that provide insight into the psi processes. Various types of psi objectives (the psi target) indicate that different responses or perceptions relate to how the target material is accessed and in how it enters subconscious and conscious awareness. Distance to the psi target and the manner in which the target is identified are major variables.
An on-going experimental series involves research colleagues located thousands of miles from Baycliff in Europe and the USA. The target may be observed by someone (telepathic mode), it may be unknown to anyone (double blind protocol), or it may be selected in the future (precognition).
Some experiments include targets that are illusions. A recent experiment with a 3-D illusion was especially interesting since the participant, 1000 miles away, could not perceive the 3-D effect in the conscious state psi but experienced it exactly while dreaming.
Baycliff Psi Seminars plans to perform experiments to see if "intentions only" can be reliably perceived since this has implications for sensing terrorist plans before they are implemented.
It is anticipated that psi experiments with a variety of psi targets including geographic areas, pictures, words, sounds, thoughts, feelings or emotions will provide important insight into the psi process and related phenomenology. An improved understanding of psi will help enhance reliability and accuracy for a variety of psi applications.
Future dream state psi studies will include new user friendly sleep physiology monitoring equipment developed by the Harvard Medical School that can be taken home. In addition to psi investigations, BPS in conjunction with the Rhine Research Center (RRC), Durham, NC has facilitated intensive workshops, The Art of Psi Dreaming that focus on developing and enhancing precognitive dream capability. These and other BPS workshops, including ESP, Remote Viewing and Your Intuitive Nature, are scheduled at various locations in the future. http://www.dalegraff.com
BPS has also initiated plans for an International Psi Alert Center (InPAC). The objective is to collect and analyze suspected precognitive impressions from anyone to see if patterns or trends can be detected that have the potential for alert and warning notices. This work is underway and is currently focused on anticipating, via precognitive dreams, specific planned acts of terrorism.
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Soviet Fighter Crash
"Suddenly I am observing an airplane . . . it is small and resembles a Russian MIG fighter. It circles near a low mountain performing several maneuvers, loops and turns. The area has communication facilities and it seems to be a military base with an airport. The airplane turns sharply to the left and then to the right, angling down and flying close to or through a low building that resembles a hangar. Suddenly it dives and crashes, destroying the area behind the low building where many people are gathered. They are on a stand attending a ceremony of some type. I become aware of terrible pain from the many burning people. Some are trapped under debris. I sense the agony of those burned or trapped who are still alive."
This was the first "airplane crash" dream since a week prior to Sept. 11. It did not make sense, as I was sure the airplane resembled a Russian fighter that would not be involved in any potential terrorist attack. However, the crash seemed intentional. The plane was maneuvering too low for any ordinary flight.
Since we were packing to leave for a week-long trip to join the U. of South Carolina Center for Coastal Ecology sea turtle saving program, I did not seek any follow-up dream for clarification. We would be out of touch with the news while we were on the barrier island helping sea turtle hatchlings reach the ocean safely.
Immediately before leaving for the island on Sunday, July 28, I happened to see the headlines of The State, South Carolina's largest newspaper published in Columbia, SC. It read: " 78 die at Ukraine air show." The top of the page showed four photos of the crash: two of the diving SU -27, a new Russian fighter plane, and two photos of the flames surrounding the "huge crowd of spectators" after the crash. The crash, during an air show in Lviv, Ukraine, occurred on Saturday morning, July 27.
If my dream of Thursday night relates to this accident, then it occurred at least one day prior to the crash. on Saturday.
In the dream, I thought the plane resembled a MIG fighter, possibly a M1G - 17, not the newer SU - 27. Not sure why this misidentification occurred. Maybe my familiarity with MIGs caused this association. I had assembled MIG models years ago. This was only the second dream I have ever had, of tens of thousands of dreams that featured a Russian airplane. The only other dream with MIG airplanes occurred in 1977 and was precognitive of a Soviet pilot defecting by flying a MIG - 25 to Japan.
Dale Graff
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The Lady with the Wide Brimmed Hat
(c) 2002 Linda Lane Magallón
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When psi researcher René Warcollier studied deliberate waking telepathy, he used picture drawings as targets. He also created experiments that involved several participants. Time after time, he found cases when the official target and the telepathic response were barely related. Instead, one person's response was remarkably similar to...the response of another person.
I've discovered the same effect in dream telepathy. However, dreams are not limited a simple one-to-one correspondence. Oh, no. They are part of a much wider network. And sometimes I've been able to get a glimpse of that net while tracking experiment results.
In 1992, two magazines were scheduled to host my dream telepathy experiments. One was supposed to follow the other: *American Psychic Magazine* in April and *FATE* in June. However, *American Psychic* was disappointed by the low turnout from its readership. So I agreed to "re-send" the same target a couple of months later and the number of responses did increase.
In one of those synchronicities of fate, *FATE* magazine had scheduled their experiment for the weekend just before the second sending of the *American Psychic* target. So I was preparing to send two targets out into the telepathic "airwaves" during the same general period of time. Furthermore, some people knew about both experiments and were planning to participate in each. I fully expected some dreams to shift over and show up on the other magazine's target dates. I'd seen such cross-connections so many times before.
As anticipated, some dreamers did use the experiments to try out interactive dreaming. For instance, CB reported that, a few days before the *American Psychic* target date, she and her daughter had experienced almost identical dream images on the same night. Based on that incident, both had decided to dream for the experiment, although CB was by far the most successful. But not for the *American Psychic* experiment. Her dreams didn't resonate with it at all. It was the dreams she sent in for the *FATE* dream telepathy experiment which showed the most correspondence to the *American Psychic* target. Conversely, RS was trying to dream for *American Psychic* when she "hit" the *FATE* target; HL's dreams did the same.
And it's to the *FATE* target we must turn to learn the full import of "the lady with the wide brimmed hat." Between the two experiments, a total of four people dreamt up that special image, beginning with Teri Reedy and her friend Carol.
On the first *American Psychic* target date, April 4th, Teri reported the following:
"I received (the) notice on Friday, April 3rd, and barely had time to prepare myself for the experiment. I called my best friend and we decided to give it a whirl. I awoke this morning feeling that I had failed to get anything pertinent. What I did get were the words "peach blossoms" and a visual image of a woman all dressed up in a tailored suit, wearing a wide brimmed cream or light colored hat and she was holding a mirror or a magnifying glass in her right hand and looking at papers, a book, or a magazine. The lady's clothing seemed to be from the 1940's. I remember being handed a flowering tree branch.
I called my friend and she was able to bring back much detail. I was delighted to hear that she awoke smelling peaches!"
Teri and Carol's co-dreaming made no sense in terms of the first magazine's target (a volleyball game). But I knew that the second experiment was coming up, so I waited to see those results before I leapt to any conclusions.
The target I finally chose for *FATE* magazine was an old photo of myself in my twenties. In it, I am leaning against a giant 35-mm camera, one of the props at Universal Studios in Southern California. My arms are partially encircling the focusing ring. My husband, Manny, is taking the picture and his image is reflected in the curved lens.
Both metaphorically and literally, the glass lens was a mirror, magnified in size many times. Teri's dream of the woman holding a mirror or magnifying glass would seem to resonate with that target. But the clothing didn't fit.
When I sent the photo out into the airways that June, I telepathically beamed a message for folks to go "through" the lens of the camera, to make an Alice-through-the-looking-glass trip into wonderland. Of course, when you can see "through" a mirror to the other side, it's become a window.
This is the dream of Teri's friend, Carol:
"I had wonderful dreams that seemed to last forever. I could smell peaches but never could see any. There was a lady with a large brimmed cream colored spring looking hat. She was looking through a large glass. As I got closer to her, she looked up with an expression of delight and said, "You really should look through the windows."
"The first window I looked through was like looking out through space. The planets and stars moved faster than I thought...As I turned away from the window, there was another lady coming in behind me. The lady that showed me the window was talking to the second lady saying, "Here's the window if you wish to be in this circle." I went to the next window I liked and I could see myself and how I had gotten this far in life and why she wanted me in the circle...
"At the next window, it was like seeing old friends...My friend Teri, was there and she had on a beautiful white blouse with black, pleated slacks, and a black pearl necklace. I was to see which one should be there and I was to pay real close attention.
"As I went back to find the lady with the hat, there were four other people with her. I didn't know any of them and they all turned and stared at me. The lady with the hat stepped out and asked me if I wanted to look on or slow down one of the other ladies that was staring at me. (This other lady) looked like she was full of fear and I remember saying to myself, 'Why is she so fearful up here, out of the world? There is nothing to fear, but the fear you bring with you, yourself.' The lady with the hat said, 'Not all people have experienced your level of seeing some of the greatness you've seen. Now that I have slowed you down, do you want to look through the last window again?'
"I did and it was like going back 200 years with beautiful wooded areas that were once a place of peace with a clear stream to look into."
Carol also reported this hypnogogic imagery the next morning:
"I saw a picture of a wooded area with a stream so clear that I could see right through it. There were fruit trees along one side and the lady with the wide brimmed hat was there. She had on a long white dress like the ones they wore in the 1800's. Her hair was long and dark and her complexion had no blemishes anywhere. The fruit trees were in full bloom and smelled like peaches."
Okay, Carol and Teri had similar imagery on the same night. Mutual dreaming. Teri and Carol picked up my telepathic message to focus on the lens, 2 months before I sent it. Precognitive dreaming. That's just peachy. :-) But did the two of them get the target picture? Not literally. I wasn't wearing a tailored suit or a long white dress. Nor a hat. But they weren't that far afield.
My friend and fellow colleague, Jill Gregory, was the third dreamer of the bunch. She had sent notices of the experiments to both Teri and Carol. The two sent copies of their *American Psychic* dreams back to Jill who then forwarded them to me, along with her own dream of April 10th. Towards the end, she dreamt:
"The scene then changed, as well as my dream body. I was myself of twenty years ago, wearing a tan dress, carrying a wide brimmed hat and walking along the beach with my husband."
Spontaneous telepathy most often occurs among people who know one another well. So it's not unusual that a special symbol would be shared among three correspondents, two of whom were friends with each other and one of whom was a friend of mine. But it is intriguing that all three were co-dreaming ahead of the target date.
Fast forward to the *FATE* experiment. When the dreams came in, it was obvious that this interactive dream game had picked up a fourth player, Shirley Richardson, who none of us knew. Shirley wrote me this note:
"The attached sketch represents a 'dream' or sort of vision that came to me as I drifted off to sleep the night of June 17th. I don't know if it represents your picture or someone else's (!), but it was very clear and I awoke right after it appeared. This experience was not all like my regular dreams, which are usually filled with lots of action in which I am involved. In this "dream," I was not involved. I saw a young dark haired girl, dressed in white or light pink walking slowly along a beach, much as the representation in the sketch."
Yes, Shirley had drawn her image. It was the lady with the wide brimmed hat. Now I had a picture to compare with the target photo. Where did that persistent wide brimmed hat come from?
Psi and subliminal researchers have discovered that the dreaming mind is like a kid with a coloring book. The kid-id is allowed to fill in the picture however it wishes. But the book's lines and shapes remain the same, no matter how creative the coloring gets. Similarly, the dream's metaphoric imagery acts like a vine on a wooden trellis. Its organic growth meanders around a fairly fixed framework of form and line.
In this case, the tailored suit, the blouse and slacks, the long white, pink, tan dress were the flexible ornamentations. But there was also a shape so stable that four people actually called it the same thing.
How does a picture's main forms become evident? Well, try squinting your eyes and blurring your vision. At a certain point, the details go away, but the outlines remain. This seems to be the usual focus of dreams and psi - a little vague, but with prominent general features.
So, finally, that's what I did, squint my eyes while looking at the target photo. As you may recall, I was leaning against a giant 35-mm camera with my arms around the circular lens. Actually, there are several circles to be seen: the lens, the focusing ring and the aperture selection ring. My arms look like they are holding onto the innermost ring. My head looks like it is resting against the outermost ring, as if it were surrounded by the outermost ring. So what's a circular ring on the head, that extends far beyond the size of the head? Something that can also be carried in your hands?
If you didn't know, I'd bet you'd guess that it was a hat. A light, spring hat with a very wide brim.
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Shirley's sketch and the picture target are at http://members.aol.com/dreamartscience/dream/hat.html
You can also find out more about the picture target if you attend the ASD Psyberconference. Just look for my presentation, "Oh, Rats, I'm Not a Xerox Machine!"
Linda Lane Magallón, Dream Flights http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
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Mutual Lucid Dream Event
(c) 1997 E. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D.
Published in Dream Time, 14(2), 32-34, (1997)
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"If a man could pass through Paradise in a dream, and have a flower presented to him as a pledge that his soul had really been there, and if he found that flower in his hand when he awoke - Ay! - and what then?" Samuel Taylor Coleridge
In our culture, most people see dreams as just a subjective fantasy, a personal experience that has no relation to "objective reality". Hence the phrase "just a dream", meaning an experience that has little or no importance in the "real" world.
Some western researchers act as if current neurophysiological theory, which posits that dreams consist of purely subjective productions of the sleeping brain, constitutes a fact, rather than a theory. To many experienced dreamers, such an attitude seems both limiting and naive. Many other cultures consider dreams to take place in a spiritual realm, just as "real" as the physical world. Rather than confusing theories with facts, it makes sense to adopt a phenomenological viewpoint, which gives priority to the territory of experience. This means that we revise our maps to fit our territories, instead of distorting our perceptions to fit our preconceptions.
What if the dream world did not seem quite so subjective and solipsistic as that presupposed by current neurophysiological theory? What if we do somehow connect in some way with friends and strangers while our physical bodies sleep? What if after waking up tomorrow, you compared dreams with a friend you had not seen in two years and found that you had both dreamed of the other, in a way that simple coincidence could not adequately explain? What then? Perhaps you might begin to question whether a dream really does seem such a "fine and private place" after all.
On December 20, 1994, Harvey Grady and myself experienced such an event, in a mutual lucid dream.
The Dreams
Ed Kellogg's Lucid Dream
"In a sort of archeological dig - in Mexico - I see people digging for gold, peasants, in a sandy Sonoran type desert. We find huge old wagons on the side of the road, from a circus or something, which had bones of elephants and/or lions, etc. I go with the group - realize that I dream, but don't know if they realize it - a sort of virtual reality field trip. I talk with the leaders and they respond. I see [Harvey Grady], and tell him to give me a collect call on waking up to WPR (waking physical reality), if he recalls this dream, and to let me know if he really does participate in a WPR tour at this time. [Harvey] looks like he just shaved off his beard. He shows me some old airplanes in a museum, and I look forward to virtually flying them, although I wonder what would happen to my physical body if I crash. ...(my lucid dream continues, but I leave [Harvey] behind)."
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I had my dream with [Harvey] in the early morning, probably between 5 and 8 a.m. In this dream I remained open to the possibility that the dream [Harvey] might (or might not) exist in a consensual sense comparable to physical reality. I therefore gave Harvey a long distance call to check for confirmation, (after waiting a bit to see if he would call me collect as I had instructed). I connected with his answering machine, and left a message telling him only that I had dreamed of him the night before, and to please get back to me. Harvey and I then played telephone tag on our respective answering machines. I finally talked with him on the phone , carefully avoiding questions that might "lead the witness". Harvey gave me a brief account of his dream in which he related that he met with me, and with a small group of people, and that we headed into a range of old mountains, somewhat desolate and broken down, like in the Holy Land, or Nevada, or parts of Arizona and New Mexico. At this point I confirmed that his dream seemed very similar to mine, and asked if he had participated in an archeological expedition (the only detail I shared from my dream), and he said he did not recall this. I asked him to please write the dream down in detail, which he finally did on Feb. 11, 1995.
Harvey Grady's Lucid Dream
"I remember Ed and three or four other men, whom I knew in the dream but not in daytime, talking about an expedition to explore for probable archeological records, then traveling to an arid desert area with desiccated hills and twisted arroyos, where we split up to search the surface soil for possible artifacts. We also watched for caves. We were dressed appropriately with hats for shade, a little reminiscent of Indiana Jones.
The land in the dream was similar to Israel hill country, or arid portions of Arizona, Nevada, or New Mexico. We were searching for ancient artifacts, like (from) Atlantis or Mu. I recognized that the dream dealt only with one part of an ongoing series of the search for evidence of ancient civilizations.
In the dream, I felt that we were going through the motions of the search in the astral plane in order to establish energetic templates for the persons who would conduct the search on the physical plane. The energetic templates created from our experiences would guide the search of some physical explorers. Therefore, we went through the motions of the search like actors playing out roles, in order to generate thoughts, emotions, and desires for the template.
In the role of explorers, we acted as though we were ignorant and blindly searching for something we had only slight reason to expect might be there. On a higher level, as actors outside of the role, we knew what would eventually be found. We were well aware of the ancient civilizations and their contributions to history and had accepted tasks in helping reveal them to the physical plane. This double level of awareness made the dream more interesting to me."
Comment Unfortunately, at that time, aside from the holiday season, Harvey also underwent an IRS audit and did not have a lot of time to spare for dreamwork. However, because Harvey rarely dreams of me, he says that my presence in the dream helped him to remember it when he awoke. He experienced the dream at about 5 A.M. on December 20, 1994, but did not write the dream down until he sent me his letter on February 11th, 1995.
Our dreams display a number of interesting congruencies
1. Harvey and I appeared in each others dreams (on the same night, at about the same time).
2. We dealt with multiple levels of awareness in ourselves, including lucidity.
3. Desert locale.
4. An organized group effort of a small group of men.
5. We both saw the dream as a "rehearsal" for a physical reality event.
6. Bones or other evidence of ancient existence.
7. Digging or searching for something hidden in the earth.
Of course, aside from the similarities, many differences also exist in the two dream reports. In my experience, the dreamscape functions like a sort of Rorschach, in which dreamers selectively notice, perceive, and idiosyncratically identify some elements while ignoring others. Selective, or fragmentary, recall of the dreams afterwards further compounds the difficulties involved in making valid comparisons. Given the inconsistent nature of human observation documented in accident reports, one can no more expect an exact agreement in description for two participants in a dream event than one could expect it for a physical event which involves far fewer confounding variables. This makes the similarities shown in the two dream reports even more significant. Also, although Harvey had not shaved his beard physically, I wonder whether he in this case dreamed of himself as clean-shaven like Indiana Jones. The appearance of my dream body often differs markedly from my physical body.
The Possibility of Artifactual Contamination
Dream Sharing
Other reported mutual dreams also have many similarities, but fail to address the possibility of contamination of one dream account with the other. I will try to deal as forthrightly as possible with this issue. From the beginning, I intentionally tried to keep such contamination to a minimum, by withholding details from my dream until I had heard them independently from Harvey. Harvey confirms my telling him that I did not want to influence his dream recall by saying anything more than that I had dreamed of him.
Unfortunately, I found it necessary to get some of the details of Harvey's dream from him on the phone, when it appeared that because of the heavy constraints on his time, that he might not write down his dream account at all. After he related a number of congruent details with my dream, I asked if he had seen us on an "archeological expedition" - Harvey said he did not recall this. However, when I received his written account, the word "archeological" did show up in his account, seemingly showing at least some degree of unconscious contamination resulting from my question. At the time Harvey found himself too busy to write down his dreams, and he eventually only wrote down this specific dream because of my request.
How does Harvey explain the discrepancies between his brief verbal account given to me on the phone and his later very detailed written account? He explains it this way "Once I make a mental note about something, similar to a flag on a file, I can access the memory in detail, like opening the file and viewing the documents in it. When Ed called me, I made such a mental note and, when I had a few minutes to spare from the IRS audit, recalled the dream in detail. When Ed mentioned archeological dig on the phone, I did not remember details of the dream. I did not, at that moment, access the detailed memory. All I could remember then was a general sense of the group, including Ed, in the desert. Later, when I had time to access the dream memory, it supplied details that I could relate to Ed's comment about archeological dig. My basic impression of the dream had formed a gestalt of rehearsal in the astral plane, not a gestalt of archeological dig. So when Ed mentioned archeological dig, I didn't seem to fit my general memory of the dream."
The Dreamers
Ed Kellogg
Although I earned my Ph.D. in biochemistry, I have devoted much of my time over the past 20 years to the study of dreams. I have recorded and indexed over 10,000 of my own dreams, hundreds of these belonging to the fully lucid category. I have presented and published a number of papers on my work in this area, covering topics from lucid dream phenomenology (Kellogg 1985, 1989b, 1992), to applications such as lucid dream healing (Kellogg 1989a, 1996). I have a long-standing commitment to the disciplines of phenomenology and of general semantics, and I have applied these to my work in many different areas.
Harvey Grady
"I remembered many dreams in childhood, and at the age of fourteen read Freud's "Interpretation of Dreams". I occasionally wrote notes about powerful or puzzling dreams from my mid-teens on. At the age of seventeen, I read about Edgar Cayce, who interpreted dreams in ways that seemed much more appropriate to me than did Freud's approach. Starting at age twenty-seven I participated in an Edgar Cayce dream study group for twenty years. Today, when appropriate, I use dream interpretation and dramatization techniques in counseling others. Presently, most of my dreams belong to the semi-lucid to fully lucid categories."
My Relationship with Harvey
Although I had met Harvey years earlier, I worked most closely with him as a consultant on a project in 1986 and 1987 when Harvey served as the Director of the Fetzer Energy Medicine Research Institute in Scottsdale, Arizona. Harvey and I shared a number of interests, including a long term study of our own dreams. Since that time, I have seen him very infrequently, and had not seen, phoned, or even corresponded with him for two years or so when I had the dream in December of 1994. I also dream of (or with!) Harvey very infrequently. In fact, my rather comprehensive dream index shows only six entries up to the time of the dream, of which a dream on 8/3/1993 precedes the one given here. Harvey wrote that since we met in the early 80's, that he recalls only three or four instances in which he dreamed of me, mostly when we worked together at F.E.M.R.I. By chance alone, not even looking at dream content, one must consider a night in which Harvey and I dream of each other as a very improbable coincidence in itself.
Despite my infrequent contacts with Harvey, I do consider him one of the few people that I trust, and with whom I can share my interests freely. Linda Lane Magallón had contacted me in the Fall of 1994 about some dreams of mine that she wanted to include in her book on mutual dreaming, which brought the subject to the forefront of my attention. As a dedicated lucid dreamer with a long-standing interest in mutual dreams, I judged it as worthwhile to place a long distance call to check for confirmation. I find the similarities in the dreams amazing, and under these particular circumstances, one can not only eliminate day-residue from personal contact as a factor, but even year-residue.
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Conclusion
If we do sometimes connect in some way with friends, relatives, and strangers in dreams while our physical bodies sleep, why do evidential reports occur so rarely? A number of factors contribute to the scarcity of such reports. For example
1. Most people in our culture do not take dream events seriously, usually considering them not important enough to talk about.
2. Very few people share their dreams even when they remember them, especially with those they dreamed about, for fear of ridicule or embarrassment.
3. Most people either don't remember their dreams or remember them very poorly - such as recalling only a fragment of the last dream of the night, out of 5 or 6 dreams.
4. Even if two people do have a mutual dream, prejudice will more than likely relegate this mutual dream to a curiosity, soon forgotten or only seen as an amusing coincidence.
5. The evidential quality of most spontaneous mutual dreams seems very low, due to the possibility of uncontrolled contamination of the dream accounts through informal dream sharing or day residue.
6. Lack of recognition of dream selves with their physical counterparts because the appearance of the dream self may differ markedly from the appearance of the physical self.
7. Misidentifications of people in dreams due to the "substitution phenomenon".
Factors 1- 5 seem fairly obvious, but factors 6 and 7 need some additional explanation. Factor 6, that our appearance in dreams can differ markedly from our physical appearance, makes a confusing situation even more confusing. In the physical world we habitually use appearance to determine identity. In the dream world this habit serves us poorly, as one's appearance can change, from moment to moment, and from dream to dream. I usually assume (when fully lucid) that a dream character may embody the "dream self" of a physically based friend according to how they "feel" to me, if they "feel" like my friend, rather than if they just look like them. To discriminate in this way while dreaming requires a high degree of lucidity on my part, but it can markedly reduce uncontrolled variables. The fact that lucidity played a role for both Harvey and myself in this mutual dream event may seem more than coincidental. Informed lucid dreamers might make the best population for a study of the phenomenon, because as lucidity increases so does the potential for discernment.
Factor 7 refers to the fact that the dreaming mind often shows very poor discrimination by identifying unfamiliar dream people, or things, with familiar and somewhat similar physical reality counterparts. In 1974, I had a lucid dream that led to my personal discovery of this tendency, which I called "the substitution phenomenon" (Kellogg, 1984, 1989). Lucid dreamers have experienced at least one blatant example of the "substitution phenomenon", when they realized while dreaming that they had mistakenly identified (substituted) dream reality as physical reality. But the discovery of this misidentification only begins the process of unmasking the pervasive nature of "substitution phenomena" in even the most lucid of dreams.
For example, I dream of my brother, but when I wake up to a more critical awareness in a lucid dream, I usually find that my dream [brother] does not really look like, or "feel" like, my physical reality brother, and I encounter instead a substitute whom I had misidentified as my brother in the dream. Similarly, I often dream of my home, yet on attaining lucidity I notice that my dream [home] differs in many ways from my physical home. I find the same "substitution phenomenon" in my non-lucid dreams, in that I routinely find that my interpretation of the characters and events of a dream while dreaming does not correspond to the more critical identifications I make when I review the dream after waking up. My dreaming mind seems to take the path of least resistance by identifying unfamiliar people, objects, or locales with familiar ones, quite often fitting square pegs into round holes.
In my experience, dreams, like plays, occur on at least three qualitatively different levels. First, the structural level, that consists of the stage settings and props, the raw dreamscape before we project meaning onto it. This level makes up the substratum of the dream, dream phenomena qua phenomena. Second, the meaning level, in which symbols, feelings, and the relationships of the dream characters and objects predominate.. And finally, and most superficially, the labeling level, where we verbally interpret and identify what happens during a dream.
Written and oral accounts usually focus on describing the labeling level of dreams, where we often boil down a multilevel experience into a few simplistic identifications. Many dreamworkers probe deeper and focus on the underlying meaning level of the dream. The structural level of the dream, the substratum, usually remains either unnoticed or ignored, but it may prove the least idiosyncratic level of them all. As such it may hold the key to providing the best evidence for dream mutuality. For example, although both Harvey and I dreamed of ourselves in almost identical desert dreamscapes, I identified it as Mexico, whereas Harvey first identified it as the Holy Land in Israel. Those who wish to investigate the possibility of mutual dreaming may need to pay more attention to descriptions of the structural level of dreams, rather than to the identifications made by the dreamers on the labeling level. A similar effect exists in "remote-viewing" experiments, where researchers find that when subjects focus on the structural content of their perceptions, as opposed to the verbal identifications made from that content, that the probability of their achieving a "hit" on a remote-viewing target improves markedly (Swann, 1991).
To upgrade the phenomenon of "mutual" dreaming from an unlikely possibility to a probable reality requires more than anecdotal evidence; it requires a formal and controlled study in which informed participants make use of specified procedures and documentation. Evidential cases of mutual dreaming have significant implications not only to the nature of the dream, but also to that of human nature as well. I look forward to the results of future research in this area.
REFERENCES
Kellogg III, E.W. (1985). The substitution phenomenon. Dream Network Bulletin, 4(5), 5-7
Kellogg III, E. W. (1989a). A personal experience in lucid dream healing. The Lucidity Letter, 8(1), 6-7
Kellogg III, E.W. (1989b). Mapping territories A phenomenology of lucid dream reality. Lucidity Letter, 8(2), 81 - 97.
Kellogg III, E. W. (1992). The Lucidity Continuum. Presented at the Eighth Annual Conference of the Lucidity Association in Santa Cruz, June 28, 1992. Paper available from the author.
Kellogg III, E. W. (1995). Lucid Dream Healing. Presented at the Thirteenth Annual Conference of the Association for the Study of Dreams in Berkeley, July 11, 1995. ( For an update of this work go to http//www.asdreams.org/documents/1999_kellogg_lucid-healing.htm )
Swann, I. (1991), Everybody s Guide to Natural ESP Unlocking the Extrasensory Power of Your Mind, Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc., Los Angeles.
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Reprint of Dreams sent in shortly after 9-11-2001
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Sent to stan krippner by a friend:
Trapped in a Building - by D
I am trapped in a building. It is as if people have turned against one another. I restrain another man who is losing his mind. I have hope that someone will enter the building from the outside--will rescue us--but when people do, they are mad also. People are throwing things to try to kill one another. It is as if war has broken out in everyday life. I break out of the building. It looks like a "Mad Max" film. People are covered with pancake makeup so thick it looks like flour...
I did not recall this dream on Tuesday until I saw pictures of the ash covering people in the streets of New York.
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source: from dream-flow:
Dream Title precognitive dream from nette, the mystic detective
Date of Dream during the week of September 11, 2000
Dream Last year, September 11, 2000:
Nightmares following the birth of Sept. 4 - I am in a high rise and I see an airplane outside get struck by lightning. It is drifting into flames around tall buildings near my window, Mala? Airlines? As it starts to hit the building I feel pressure all around me and I start to freak out. Why did I have to go through such painful labour only to die minutes later?
In light of Tuesday's tragedy: I can remember the dream and how I felt, looking out of the window and watching the plane from the inside of the building. Mala? Lightning was wrong or misinterpretation of flames.
Comments by Dreamer I had given birth to my first son on September 4, 2000 and in the week that followed had a series of intense dream experiences, all accompanied by strong physical sensations like I felt in this dream, a pressure around my body pulling me down. I am not sure when I had the dream exactly, but I do know I entered it in my computer dream journal on September 11th of last year.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments I am glad I have found a place to share this
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Dream Title Never in America
Date of Dream 8/30
Dream About two weeks ago I dreamed that I was in a large one story building waiting to board a plane to China. The Chinese began bombing. I could see planes filling the air and bombs were dropping everywhere. I hid under a cot in a back room. I remember being terrified, but also completely stunned that this was happening in the U.S.
The Chinese then began tying the hands of some of the people that were in the front room and taking them away. The rest of us they let go.
I was very shaken by this dream. When I awoke I remembered it vividly.
Comments by Dreamer This was not a common dream setting or theme for me. The most important feature of the dream was not it's imagery or the action, but the strong emotions I felt. The terror, anguish, and above all the shock and disbelief that this was happening here. That is why I feel the dream was prophetic although the details were very different from actual events. When I awoke Tuesday morning to hear of the events that had occured I immediately thought of this dream, because the feelings were the same.
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Finger sliced by cardboard cutter - by JH
Before the event I have had several nightmares - that have personal dimensions related to my own challenges, but they also suggest perhaps a keying in to the collective. One dream a week before Sept 11 - was me looking through the inside of a burning plane. As I am in NZ I was of course asleep and dreaming as the terrorism was happening. I dreamed I was amongst dangerous forces - people with very dark eyes. There was a conspiracy. Then I was running in a building trying to escape something terrifying. It felt like Russia. Everything was in a state of collapse. I open a door I expect to be locked and go through to a back door - looking for someone to help me.
An Arab man comes towards me and slices my finger slowly and definitely with a cardboard cutter. It was senselessly cruel and unexpected. Most of the night I tossed and turned - waking a lot. I awoke uncharacteristically early and turned on the radio to hear the news. I was stunned.
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Date: 2001-9-11, about 8 a.m. EST (roughly 1 hour before the terrorist
attacks on WTC, Pentagon)
Title: Person w/ questionable "Aerospace Engineer" passport I'm at the airport as an employee, it seems, and there's this person there who at first I think is some guy that we've been hanging or working with for the morning perhaps. He hands his resume/passport to the person at the security stand, and it's a few printed sheets of fanfold paper. It looks like it may have come off of some old printer. It seems quite suspicious for some reason, and I think the other security woman there that I'm working with feels this too. I grab a copy of it and walk to the side, looking at it also in private. I forget the name, but the occupation says "Aerospace Enginineer". The whole thing seems questionable as I read it over and I wonder if this isn't a fraud passport. I come back out to where the person is and to where my colleague, the main security woman is. I tell her my thoughts privately on the passport sheets and suggest that we check this person out with the officials. The questionable person is now more of a younger dark, straight-haired woman (used to be more like a man, I believe). I know the person somehow as an acquaintance and s/he seems to be wondering what's up. I am not at ease telling her/him the truth that we are investigating her/him. After a little, these two customs officers come and talk to her and ask her if she has any stocks or options. They walk away before she even answers to check some other things. I ask her if I heard right about what they said, and I know she now knows that she's under investigation. I leave and go aside for a bit. Later, I feel like I would rather be honest with her and let her know that I encouraged the other security woman to have her checked out. (C.W., Montreal, Qc)
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is with deep sadness that I relate my premonition which occurred 24
hours before this terrible nightmare of terrorism. At 4 AM PST (7AM EST) I awoke on Monday morning Sept. 10th, 2001. I'd had a dream about New York City. I had an awful sense of foreboding and panic in my body. The U.S. is very vulnerable to an air attack similar to WWII was the message. An airplane would dive/crash into a building. It was imminent and very destructive. The impending doom feeling stayed with me. I actually called 911 to see what was going on. When I finally went back to sleep briefly, I awoke with the tragic sense of danger and I almost blurted out to several school moms in the morning, but I kept it to myself. I tucked it away that afternoon, feeling a little foolish at how it had really affected me and my perception of how easily a tragedy could happen. Until this morning, when I was not surprised at what happened, but shocked at how much the magnitude of what had happened matched that internal sense of impending destructive doom that I'd felt the day before. I think it's important to acknowledge this and it's difficult to talk about but necessary. May they rest in peace. Athough, I've had premonitions before, this is certainly the biggest and strongest esp. in the feeling of WWII vulnerability. It was actually the course of events when I awoke from an inviting dream on Monday about New York City that began the premonition. I thought I'd heard the sound of an airplane flying above. I was overcome with a terror/panic that was quite remarkable. For some reason it felt like WWII, that America could be attacked and that a plane would dive/crash into a building intentionally. I cannot emphasize enough, the magnitude of the feeling--that it was imminent danger and it felt overwhelming. Also, that the feeling continued to stay with me on Monday upon awakening again. When I called 911 to see what was going on and they assured me that there was a helicopter search being conducted for a fugitive in the neighborhood. The interesting aspect to this part is that prior to living here, I'd lived two blocks from a trauma hospital which constantly had helicopters transporting trauma victims to their site. So, naturally, I was used to hearing helicopters. (C.F., Santa Rosa, CA)
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I certainly have noticed that MANY people here and in other dream groups have had a number of dreams involving a huge tragedy lately. I thought something was going on. I think this is only the beginning. My mother has had recurring dreams about buildings collapsing, also I had one last night about my mother and I running through a horrible lightning storm, drenching pouring rain, fog so thick you could barely see through it, trying not to get hit by the lightning from above.
I think it does nothing but reinforce the fact that what's done to one, is done to all.
Praying for all thse in DC, Pittsburgh, NYC.
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Here's a prediction I posted over a month ago on the sygyzyjob.net website when I assumed my dream meant an Earthquake;
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Date: July 29, 2001 at 03:03:34
From: D.P.,
Subject: Fall/Winter,New York,7.7,80%
Has anybody else out there had a premonition dream of an earthquake hitting New York? I had my dream about 2:33 AM, July 29th, 2001.
In the dream I was watching the Today Show on my TV and Katie Couric was talking. All of the sudden everything at the Today Show studio shook and the TV signal from New York blacked out and immediately cut back to local advertisements. I also felt my house shake a little bit in the dream because I live in Michigan and quakes in the Eastern U.S. travel for quite a ways.
I also saw periodic cut-ins into the local broadcasts by Katie doing a remote hook-up from a television truck and she was talking about 10,000 people dying in a building. Either she was talking about the Empire State Building or the World Trade Center. In the dream the quake was very devastating because she could barely hold her emotions together on the air and in the background of the TV image I could see huge open spaces where tall skyscrapers once stood and one tall skyscraper billowing smoke from all of it's broken windows. While Katie was interviewing some survivors, more aftershocks hit the city and knocked out the TV transmissions once more.
I usually don't write about dreams and I usually don't dream about far away places, but this dream stuck out because it scared the "you know what" out of me
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My jaw hit the floor when I turned on the TV this morning.
Here's the link to my premonition;
http://www.syzygyjob.net/prediction/messages/1596.html
Yours truly,
Daniel Perez
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Ok first of all Im 31, not a crazy, I hold a great job, live a normal life ( hehe i think ) and have a pretty happy disposition. And this is the first time i've ever even visited a newsgroup like this.
Before I tell you what my dream was about I'll explain that all through my life I consider i've had 2 types of dreams. One type is what i think is the normal type, sometimes wierd, sometimes great, sometimes scary.. but i usually remember them in the morning and a day later they are forgotten.
Then there are these other types, they are much more detailed, they make me feel things long after (sometimes years)and for some reason i dont know they just seem to mean alot more to me. They are often of situations or places I have never been in or visited.
Ok, now ive got that out the way, ( oh btw im in sydney, australia) the night before the trade center attack ( it was about 11pm here in Australia) I had 2 dreams that i can remember vividly.
The first was of an absolutely beautiful location. There were lots of green trees, 2 big roads, some low rise buildings that had quite an old look to them. the streets were very long and quite wide. but the wierd thing was there was not a car, not a person ... nothing in sight. I was walking slowly around this area thinking 'wow this feels soooo amazing to be the only person here'. I didnt wonder why i was alone, just that it was very cool to be all by myself in this beautiful area. If I had to draw it now I could recreate it quite well. So obviously when i woke up i thought, cool, but didnt think anything of it at all.
The 2nd one was MUCH weirder. I felt like i was in space, maybe on board a ship or something, but there were no visual clues, so i dont know why i thought this. I was in a big room that was very sci-fi'y, cant remember much detail except that there was an object just hovering in space, or it was against the wall. It was a white, or clear looking small pentagon. As i watched it i knew something bad was going to happpen, then all of a sudden it turned black, just like it would if it was a bit of paper and someone had put a cigarette lighter underneath it.
When it turned black i can remember an overpowering emotion of ... shit, this is really really bad, petrol, explosion, gota get out !!!! (btw this image looked only really a few inches long and wide ) I ran out these 2 doors behind me, they were those typical big chunky metal doors that you see on sci fi shows, as i ran out they slammed shut! i remember catching my breath and thinking 'WOW thank god i got out that thing was bad and i could have died' thats when i woke up.
so obviously the next morning (12 hours or so before the attack ) i thought NOTHING of those dreams except that they had that 'other dream' type feeling.
All day at work i kept thinking 'I am sooo crazy, i bet no one else
here has dreams like this... what is so strange about my brain that i have dreams like this .... what a waste of mental power to have dreams that are sooo pathetic with no meaning at all'
then that night the attack happened... i saw it live on the news as the 2nd plane hit ..and was chatting on the phone to an american friend here in sydney. At this stage nothing clicked at all.
Then the next morning still no connection... then at lunch... i think i saw an image of the pentagon from the air.. u know.. the only angle that it actually looks like a pentagon... then all of a sudden BAM!!! i put the 2 together. I actually felt scared and freaked out completely. All the emotions
of the dream to night before came flooding back. I told a few people
and they were like 'yeah yeah.. blah blah' and couldnt have seemed to care less, but inside i knew there must have been some connection.
so there ya go, ive had plently of these 'abstract' dreams before, and never connected them to anything but for the 1st time in my life it all seemed to make sense. The funny thing was .. even when i saw the shape of the pentagon in the dream... i never even once thought of the building. Maybe if i lived in the u.s. and the pentagon was more a part of my life i may have thought something of it.
I would love anyone who has any experience in these sort of dreams to reply. anyway ive carried on long enuf...
cya.
simon.
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reply to simon by "c"
Your not alone. I also have many such dreams. I seem to dream of a plane crashes before they happen. This has happened on several occasions. But the actual crashes always occur in the same way as in my dreams. Unfortunately, the dreams seam to have no real predictive value. The plane in my dreams is not always the same type of plane that crashes, and the location of the site is only a very general. For example, if it crashes near a road in my dream, then it crashes near a road the next day or two. But there is never indication as to what city or even state.
The last dream I had was a couple of days ago, before the tragic event. I dreamt I was a passenger (this is the first time I was a passenger in a plane crash in a dream) in an airliner. The ride seemed turbulant, and I started to think that we were in trouble. The plane suddenly lost control and started to head nose first into the ground. I thought, "Oh boy, we're in trouble". I went into the cockpit to find out if I could do anything, and I saw the pilot trying to avoid hitting the road. He aimed for a treeline just off the road. When we hit the ground, the plane bounced off the ground all the way into a comfortable flying altitude, and the pilot regained control and everybody cheered and clapped, as nobody was hurt. That's the gist of the dream. There were other goings on, but I don't want to get too long winded.
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Hi All,
A couple days after Tuesday's tragic event, I remembered a dream that I had two years ago. I looked it up in my journal, and was quite astonished at the similarities. I am not aware of ever having any precognitive dreams, but I believe that precognition might have shaped this dream. I do know that this one "felt" different, and that the emotions followed me into my waking life for a very long time: disbelief, deep grief, numbness of comprehension, a sense of foreboding.
Here is the dream:
Airplanes Crashing
October 21, 1999
Setting: Austin, TX
I dreamt that I was walking with a group of people. I don't know who. I don't know where we were going. But there was a feeling of purpose to it.
We were walking up 26th street, up toward highway 35. It was as if there was a major "walkers lane," and we walked the upward curving ramp and entered Hwy 35 on the upper deck.
I looked behind us and saw an incoming plane, coming low as they do because the airport is just east of the highway. But this one, I knew, was lower than it should be. It swooshed over our heads, and with seizing heart, I knew before I saw that it was going to swipe the highway.
It did.
It tore the highway, left it crumbling onto the lanes below. Then it careened off and nosed into the lower floors of St. David's Hospital. St. David's Children's Hospital. The multi-story building caved over, like a tree being felled, with bricks tossing into the air. We, the walkers, the marchers, just stopped and screamed. Then we walked away, silently...the site was too far away to go help...and we didn't have cell phones...but surely there were hundreds of people calling 911 by now.
We walked away, but carried the scene with us: tears flowing, sadness overwhelming, and silent questions screaming.
The group wanted to go back the way we came, but I told them to go on. I was going to take the round-about way home alone, through the university grounds. So they left. And I took to the side streets.
All of a sudden there were *hooligan* types throwing what I thought were bombs. Or molotov cocktails. They were flaming torches that were tossed in the air, and that went skipping across the pavement to our feet. I, along with others who happened to be walking along, ran away to the other side of the street. Then other hooligans threw more at us, and we ran to the other side. This kept up, so we were zigzagging, trapped and feeling foolish; as if were being toyed with.
Nothing ever blew. They were just flaming torches, and the kids were just playing dangerous, menacing games of terror.
I wondered what the heck was going on in this troubled world.
After a bit, I left the hooligans behind, and was walking along again, and I looked across another street to a set of apartments.
Then I heard another plane careening in. This was more of a military plane. It made a curve high up in the air, homing in. Then it was flying on its side, but heading ever downward.
I knew this, too, was doomed.
It skidded across the road in front of me, then crammed its nose into a group of apartments. Again--more tossing debris, more screams--whether it was me, or us, or the crashing plane, I didn't know.
And there were many people killed.
This was evidently some sort of sabotage, and I knew this must be part of some plot.
And I knew this was just the beginning.
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September 14, 2001 - by Cassidy
I am with a friend and we go by a store that sells John Lennon shoes. My friend wants to go in and buy some. I ask who will make these shoes now that John is dead.
Dreamers notes: The next day, I got an advanced copy of the SF Chronical with the song "Imagine" reprinted in full.
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9-12-01 "Searching the Rubble" by dreambat
I am with a group of people searching through the wreak of a large area and
several buildings. The buildings seem to be in Colorado Springs and have collapsed on the side of a hill over a zoo. We all seem to be aware that there was also a terrorist attack in NY and DC, and this is somehow part of it. I am helping the group, they seems to be like firefighters, but they are also connected with the FBI.
I am trying to find crevices that I can get into. Some are too unstable, others too little. I feel guilty about some of the less stable rubble that I won't go into.
Up the hill, someone says they have found her. I go up the hill as a group extracts a kind of dog/coyote/wolf from the rubble. The creature is from the zoo and seemed to be blinded by the dust and can't understand that the rescuers are trying to help and is howling and crying, sometimes snarling and nipping the fireman lifting her up.
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Dream Title Nice Terroists - anonymous from
dream-flow@yahoogroups.com
Date of Dream 9/13/01 @ 3am-8am
Dream Well it started out on a strange and foreign beach with three men i didn't know. Then two of them disappeared and one skinny,pale and pierced one was left. We were strongly attracted to each other and we then had very uncomfortable sex. Then it fades into a wood paneled room where there are 4 tan men who are definitely from the middle east. My four month old son is there with me they tell me that they may let me go after they finish making the bomb. It's real dark and damp in this room. Well they tell me i can go but then one of them comes in and says i cant leave they still need a hostage.
Then it fades to a large house that has a large stero system playing some music, what kind i can't remember. But there's also this slide/ride type huge thing. Me and about five or six people who are my friends,but i have never met these people, we are playing on this slide thing. One of the guys is my boyfriend we chase each other and then kiss, i feel content and happy. Then the terrorists come back and take me. well some how i then become the guy who was my boyfriend.He runs to try and escape. He jumps out of a bath room window and then on top of a van he falls through the roof of the van and see's me lying there tied up and then we look at each other, the terrorists open the doors on the back of then van and then i wake up.
Comments by Dreamer The dream felt really real. I want to say that these terrorist were really nice to me or i got that feeling. i don't know how it relates to my life right now except to say it my just be things that have been on my mind.
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Dream: Plane Attack by Judy
This one was almost exactly 24 hours after the attack (afternoon nap at 3pm South African time).
I am walking across a field and I look up and see a low-flying plane.
It is painted red and blue. Red on one side with blue stars and blue on the other with red stars. It flies over me and then rears up in the sky and loops over back towards the ground. As it turns above me I know that I must run, but I can't work out which way to run. It hits the ground behind me and debris scatters towards me. I finally start running, uphill, with dream-deadened legs. As I run, I am expecting an explosion behind me.
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Dream: Disaster at School by Judy
This one was this morning (Saturday 15th about 6am South African time).
I am with my son. Some disaster has killed his entire class at school. I am standing around watching as they are buried. They are all being piled into a single huge coffin. Little toes sticking out of the end of body-bags. I am thinking of how bright and alive they seemed when they visited and wondering how my son is managing to keep functioning. He's quiet, but not upset. I think perhaps he has not yet realised what has happened - or just that it is too enormous to
comprehend. I'm really struggling to get my head around the idea of so many dead children.
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Dream Title "Rounded Up" and "Spider Building" by W
Date of Dream 9/12/01;9/13/01
Dream I have had 2 nightmares since the attack. The first night was basically many people being rounded up, and being moved in a large ring. We could see the people shooting at us. I think everyone in the dream was female.
My mother was also in the dream, but not involved in helping me. Most of the dream is unorganized.
The next night my dream again included a group I was in, smaller, moving through a dark building. There were spiders. A large one dug it's fangs into my hand. It was inevitable that one would get me because they were all over.
Comments by Dreamer I often have spiders in my nightmares, they often bite me, and sometimes represent another person - being obvious in the dream...
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Dream Title Illegal Seagulls, Emily
Date of Dream Saturday, 9/15, 7:00 a.m.
Dream I dreamed I was designing a web page for a course and it was a page of road map-like areas and mostly I was trying to fit together the shapes, colors and sizes so they were aesthetically pleasing to me. There was one section toward the top where I had animated seagulls flying to and fro. I asked my brother to look at what I had made and he pointed out I couldn't use the animated seagulls because they were "illegal" and that sort of animation could not be used. I argued that I was taking a course and so it was different, I could use them to show I knew how as I may need to use them in the future. He replied that the newer software and forms of animation coming out had made this older form obsolete and it would never be used again. I was turning it "off" in my coding and deleting it when I awoke.
Comments by Dreamer I live between Baltimore and Washington and worked at the Pentagon during the 1970's. Currently I'm taking web design courses at the University of Maryland. In another online forum the night before this dream, we were discussing how the plane which crashed into the Pentagon may have been "lost" and only decided on the Pentagon because it happened to be there and the hijackers knew it.
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Trapped in a Building - by D
I am trapped in a building. It is as if people have turned against one another. I restrain another man who is losing his mind. I have hope that someone will enter the building from the outside--will rescue us--but when people do, they are mad also. People are throwing things to try to kill one another. It is as if war has broken out in everyday life. I break out of the building. It looks like a "Mad Max" film. People are covered with pancake makeup so thick it looks like flour...
I did not recall this dream on Tuesday until I saw pictures of the ash covering people in the streets of New York.
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Dream Title Beau Bridges (S.G)
Date of Dream 9/12/01
Dream A very small dream fragment a few days after the tragedy to our country and the devastation to so many people:
No dialogue...just a close up of Beau Bridges. He looks straight at me (the dreamer) then he's doing something with his hands, below the camera's view. He comes up with an open lipstick tube, and applies it (deftly) to his lips without the use of a mirror. Then he smiles lightly, and looks directly at me again, and smiles as if to say, "This is really important, get it!"
Comments by Dreamer Beautiful bridges. That's what I think we need now. Not the burning bridges that I fear. Here is this masculine man, used to leading. He has power, but he needs something else. When he applied the lipstick, it was as if he knew that he now needs the feminine side in order to be successful. He is glad to be able to use this part of his power.
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Dream Title Falling bodies/Calico Red
Date of Dream Thursday, 9-13
Dream A friend emails me a video which depicts bodies falling from WTC over and over.
Comments by Dreamer My friend had previously told me how upset she was and how she might need counselling.
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I was playing with ragged, but happy children
in a dusty dsert area close to an open building with a corrugated tin roof. a small plane overhead fired soome shots and i was shot in the wrist; I fell to the ground and just played dead. A boy came to me asking "are you hurt" and I told him "I'm O.K.,get back under the roof". Then I woke, in the fetal position, still terrified.
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Dreams of Terrorism : Anonymous dreams from the Internet
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Collected below are some of the dreams sent in to Electric Dreams over the last couple of months about the World Trade Center, about anthrax, about high jacking, kidnapping, torture and terrorism. Some offer hope and alternatives to the dreamer, others find endless horror. - Richard
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Source: Robert Moss
Dream Pilots
Source: Electric Dreams
Terrorists had kidnapped me and were planning to kidnap CEO's
Source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title Same Nightmare Different Pictures - TONI Date of Dream
Source: Electric Dreams
Dream My Nightmare - I dreamt this at 4.30 am
Australia time, Sunday, September 2nd, 2001
Source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title The day before--Smylee
Date of Dream 9/10 or 9/11
Source: alt.dreams
6 dreams by Android 16
Dubya by Android 16
Holocaust by Android 16
Two things fly above me Android 16
Where are we headed? Android 16
Aggressive Black Cat Android 16
Source Electric Dreams:
Dream Title Prophetic Disaster Dream by Emily VanLaeys
Date of Dream July 1999
Source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title Four Planes
Ryan
Source Electric Dreams
Hateful is Bin Laden by Kimberly
Source Electric Dreams
Nightmares by andreams
Source: Electric Dreams
World Trade Centre. by James
Source: Electric Dreams
Twin Towers Attacked by anonymous
Source Electric Dreams
Ground Zero, Looking In the Future
Pen Name: Maria
Source Electric Dreams
Golden Gate in flames - by Astra
Source Electric Dreams
Airplanes by Amanda
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Oct 24-25, 1996
Dream Pilots Organize Resistance to the Taliban
A small group of dream journeyers has been established. We are fighter pilots in multidimensional reality. We have an operations center a kind of Space Café that is a permanent base for some, can be visited at any time by others, but is accessible to physicals from Earth only under special circumstances. Dreamers from my personal circle are in the group. So are people with names like Skyfighter. I am the leader.
We are organizing resistance to the Taliban. The word is sometimes pronounced like Talibian ; this term is used for authoritarian, oppressive forces that are active in several dimensions.
Returning to the base area, I see a man wearing Light shields that form convex planes around his body and an impenetrable sphere around his head.
For the part-time dream pilots, interdimensional travel can be facilitated by many things, even by a certain kind of shamanic snoring . I approve any and all techniques that add to our numbers.
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We can certainly use more "dream pilots"!
Onward...
Robert Moss
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Dream Title Same Nightmare Different Pictures - TONI Date of Dream Sunday, September 2nd, 2001. 4.30am Australia
time.
Dream My Nightmare - I dreamt this at 4.30 am
Australia time, Sunday, September 2nd, 2001
I felt as though I were in water - maybe a river, I couldn't be sure. There was a young boy in trouble, I felt as though he were going to drown. There was a man with short dark hair, dark eyes, olive skin and unshaven, he was in the water. I could feel the man wanted to hurt the boy - the man wanted the boy to die. I swam to the boy very very fast and pushed him over to the edge of the river bank, but at the edge there wasn't dirt or mud, rather there was a very high cement wall. In the center of the cement wall was a ladder leading up, I pushed the boy over to the ladder as the man came closer and after the boy started to climb up the ladder I turned and looked at the man and he died. There was an explosion and it came from some central point inside the man and it was as if there was a bomb inside him and he just blew up - exploded. I climbed up the ladder and realised all these people were making their way to higher ground, running to somewhere that was safe, among these people were faces I knew.
There were people of many different nationalities. I had a feeling of urgency to get to higher ground. Everyone was moving to higher ground and safety. When I reached the top of a hill I was standing at a place which seemed like a big grassy field and I was surrounded by buildings all around me. Whilst standing there I suddenly noticed I couldn't see anymore people, it was very eerie and quiet and still, I felt a feeling of puzzlement, where I stood was very beautiful and although I felt a kind of peace feeling inside I knew I had to keep moving. The next thing I realized I was inside a building, it felt like a house or a big open-air country guest house. I couldn't see my daughter but could feel her presence somewhere over to my left hand side. I saw my ex-husband, he walked out from a room into a hall and I spoke to him. I asked him if he had seen my younger sister and he said 'she has gone ahead'. I told him that I had just spoken with her and she was still here. He said 'no, she's gone ahead'. We turned to the right, walked down the hall to the landing outside the back verandah of the house where I live now. When standing out there I looked up to the clear blue sky and saw what looked like a ball of fire / meteor burst through the earths atmosphere, as it burst through I heard a loud crack that echoed out across the whole planet. This ball of fire/meteor sped toward the earth and I saw it hit over near the east coast. I then saw another one and heard the same loud crack noise which was almost deafening. I watched as this second ball of fire/meteor impacted right beside the first one but a little south of it. Then I saw a third ball of fire/meteor race toward the earth and as I watched this I realised it was not heading in the same direction as the first two and I was screaming in my head while I watched all this happening "oh no, dear God, please please please don't let this happen". I saw it hit a very large body of water some distance away to the west but a little south. When this hit I saw an enormous mushroom rise up from the earth toward the sky and the water rose up thousands of feet and it spread out over the earth in all directions covering mles. As I stood there and watched the flooding water moving toward me I knew this wasn't happening to me it was happening to the whole planet, it was a global feeling. I stood in a circle holding hands with my ex-husband and my daughter and we watched as it came closer devouring everything in its path - I thought of material things I owned then buildings and cars, then people, acquaintances, work mates, friends, family, people I loved. I felt death coming. I felt death coming, it was so enormous I could notcomprehend how large.
I felt helpless. I looked up at the sky and although I did not see them, I had a knowing that there were two more fireballs/meteors. I had a feeling about these other two fireballs/meteors that they were different somehow. I knew/heard? (heard in my head) the word 'diversion' - somehow I felt 'diversion/distraction/interception'?. I didn't understand this because although I knew the other two fireballs/meteors were there, I could not see them, I could not hear the crack noise, but they were there - I felt them. I looked back at the water coming and could still see the huge mushroom in the sky, I felt an overwhelming hysterical panic. As I stood in a circle holding hands, my daughter on my left, my ex-husband on my right, I looked at him searching his eyes for something, he said there's nothing we can do". I felt the physical material attachment to everything and everyone drop away. I felt the fear and panic leave me.
I felt a stillness. I felt something like a wave wash over us. It was not a wave of water - it was a wave of protection and safety and comfort. I felt a sense of order and a feeling of very very deep peace like I've never known before. Seconds later we were hit. I woke up crying. (The moment I saw the live news broadcast from the USA - I knew - same nightmare, different pictures.
Seconds later my phone rang, it was my friend from the USA.)
Comments by Dreamer I don't know how it relates to my life.
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Dream Title The day before--Smylee
Date of Dream 9/10 or 9/11
Dream The night before the 9/11 attacks I dreamed I was in a large plane. For some reason the plane started heading for a crash landing in the ocean. We hit the water and everything closed in around me. I was suffocating in the water and fireballs were all around. I could not breathe. From below me a diver swam up grabbed me and started heading up. It seemed to take forever because of all the kelp that was in the way. Finally we surfaced and I took a huge breath of air. I didn't wake up; I just went on to another dream.
Comments by Dreamer I haven't traveled recently nor do I have any plans to. Normally I sleep with the radio or TV on, but for some reason it was bothering me so I turned it off. I was on my way to work by 6AM PST and I started hearing the events unfolding. When I got to work I called my mother and she turned on the TV. I was online and she was updating me as it happened. It was such a strange feeling after such an intense experience in sleep just a short while before.
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Dubya by Anonymous
6/1/01--2. My father and I work behind the scenes for the White House...sorta. Our job is to set up firecrackers/rockets on a tall building as Pres. George W. Bush makes a speech, and when a climactic part of his speech occurs, we are to set off the firecrackers/rockets. They'd shoot off into the sky and explode into many colors, therefore making his point even more emphatic. We did so once and (or at least my father did) and it was very effective. The crowd listening to Dubya's speech seems to love it when the firecrackers go off as he's making an important point. My father gets tired and then leaves the rest of the work to me. I remember going up this huge flight of steps, brimming with anticipation of my "job", to get to the top of a building, which is probably no more than a couple inches wide! Even though I know the building was very tall, I can barely fit both feet on the top along with the firecrackers. Weird dream perspective. As I'm going up, I'm so excited that I could do this, work like this behind the scenes for someone as well known as Dubya. It really doesn't seem to matter at all that I totally disagree with 90% of his policy in real life, I'm just thrilled to be a part of the action....It's hard to explain. It just feels that what I'm doing has the utmost importance and is a great honor. I'm sticking the firecrackers/rockets into the ground, waiting for the next cue to light the fuses as the dream ends.
NOTES: The odd thing about this dream was, as I posted
already, WHY I would feel so happy supporting George Bush, Jr. when, like I said, I disagree with like 90% of his policies. However, it came to pass, and now I fully support him in the Taliban mess we're in now.
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Holocaust
by anonymous
11/20/00--It started off that I was in Mommom's (my
grandmother's) place on Chestnut Street. I was vacuuming and the TV reporter was on saying that there would be a nuclear holocaust at either 9:15 or 9:30. I thought I better drop everything and start praying, but I continued to vacuum. Finally I felt too much drawn to prayer to continue to vacuum and I whispered to my mom (she was there too) "I need to pray now." I leave and it turns into the parlor in the old house. So I start praying and as I stand there, I see a bright green light out the window.
I think, "It's here."
The holocaust has started. The TV and all the lights go out. I am standing there in the pitch dark living room at night with my arms out and hands up. I close my eyes waiting for the nuclear explosion to melt my body and everything else. Terrifying. Absolutely terrifying.
NOTES: That was one of the scariest dreams I've ever had. Also, this one was the day before I had a prophetic dream about getting fired from work :)
Then there was this one.
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Two things fly above me
anonymous
9/6/01--1. I'm going into an underground tunnel/parking garage
type thing. Two things fly above me.
NOTES: I was in a car driving into a tunnel-like structure. I clearly saw the two flying objects as airplanes, but the airplanes in the dream didn't make any sense, so I didn't write a full description of it.
The morning of the 10th I dreamed.....
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Where are we headed?
anonymous
9/10/01--1. Walking around with my mom in a storm, horrible
rain, thunder, dangerous lightning, we're trying to find shelter before the lightning can hit us.
Where do I think we're headed now? I think I had a dream about
bin Laden recently...
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Aggressive Black Cat
anonymous
9/21/01--1. I'm in the living room of my childhood home. There
is
a horrible-tempered cat in the room with me....the cat looks like a big tabby, it's got black, dark brown and just a very slight touch of light brown colored fur. This cat is aggressive and dangerous, but also it's just a weakling because most of the things it does is a lot of talk. The cat is trying to intimidate me. In the room also are light switch covers (the plastic things with the holes that cover the light switch hardware by screws). I own the light switch covers, and they're colored very similarly to the cat....opaque dark brown and blackish plastic. The cat tries to intimidate me by clawing apart one of the lightswitch covers, and I verbally insult it back, not exactly with an insult, but with a very witty reply, and this is in opposition to what it really wants. This drives the cat crazy that I'm not bothered by it's attitude. I have another light switch cover of the same dark opaque plastic, and I'm holding one up to the cat that has an angel in silver and gold engraved on it. The cat scares me at this point because this engraved plate is very important to me, but I also know the cat doesn't dare touch it for some reason.
NOTES: I think bin Laden is represented by this cat. He knows NOW he hasn't scared anyone. HE is on the run. The US is not intimidated by the actions of Sept. 11th and he knows it. And he knows people are after him. But like this cat, he is wily and wild and will use any means he can to try and get control again. It's a clear power struggle. I think somehow the cat, bin Laden, doesn't dare do anything he can be directly liked to....yet.
But that's my interpretation, and it could be wishful thinking.
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Terrorists had kidnapped me and were planning to kidnap CEO's
Dream Title Terrorists had kidnapped me and were planning
to kidnap CEO's
Date of Dream 9/15/01 about 3 a.m.
Dream The dream was 3 days after the Sept. 11 attacks, and was very real and terrifying. In it a small group of Islamic terrorists had kidnapped me and I overhead them planning to kidnap high-raking executives, CEO's, and other officials from major American corporations. I woke up while in the middle of an attempted escape from them that seemed to be working. The dream scared me bad enough that i was awake for about an hour thinking about what I had experienced in the dream.
Comments by Dreamer I read a news article a day or 2 later that indicated that the sort of plot in my dream was a very real terrorist type tactic which has in the past and could now happen.
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Dream Title Prophetic Disaster Dream by Emily VanLaeys
Date of Dream July 1999
Dream The following dream appears on page 154 of my book, DREAM WEAVING: USING DREAM GUIDANCE TO CREATE LIFE'S TAPESTRY published by A.R.E. Press in January 2001: I was lying in bed while a woman, a nurse, watched over me. She said it made her sleepy to watch me sleep! I stayed in bed, because it was so dark out that I assumed it was night. Then I looked at my clock and saw that it was 9:00 a.m., so I got up and went outside. The sky was a predawn gray. Someone told me there had been a disaster in New York City that had created a lot of dust that was blocking the sun. My thought was that this was one of the planetary disasters that had been predicted for the new millennium. I got down on my knees, bowed my head to the ground, and prayed.
Comments by Dreamer I had interpreted this dream in light of major changes occurring in my personal life. Now I realize that some of my dreams may have a larger context and I see the importance of paying close attention to the messages that may come through dreams -not just for the dreamer, but for the world.
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Permission Comments Since this dream already appears in a published book you have permission to include my name - Emily L.
VanLaeys
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Dream Title Four Planes
Ryan
Date of Dream September 8, 2001
Dream About four days before the attacks on America, I had a dream that woke me, and worried me the whole day. In the dream, I was looking into a passenger plane, and was yelling "Do not get on this plane! Get off this plane now!" No one looked at me, they just ignored me. Throughout the whole dream, the number four was running through my mind. I woke up after the plane took off. Comments by Dreamer I believe this dream was really a prophetic dream about the attacks on America.
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:55:40 -0700
From: Kimberly
Subject: Hateful is Bin Laden
Dream Title Hateful is Bin Laden
Date of Dream 10-18-01/11:00am
Dream I don't know why i had this dream but i know that night before i went to bed i told myself i wish i could do something to help the people that were involved in the bombings that have occurred. In my dream i was in a spaceship for some reason and we were doing something like trying to fix something before time ran out we got it done just at the last minute. My younger sis next to me name Kelly was there beside me as we looked out the window and we could see earth just like it looks in outer space on TV then we heard a big boom and as we looked out the window we could see part of earth on fire. Then Kelly my sister said "they just bombed america!" I was like "what!" Then Kelly said maybe every ones dead including my little sister Kathy. As we got closer to the ground i was like maybe we should stay in the air but a lady who i didn't know with short cut hair and looked just like Amilia Airheart said we have no more fluid. So i turned and looked back out the wind ow and i saw people running and screaming and crying. Some were lying there helpless, some dying, and some dead. I started feeling overwhelmed with pain emotionally i felt like crying i wanted to but didn't. I got out and looked up and saw balls of fire falling they looked like three shooting stars on fire as they hit the parking lot not far from where i was it blew up catching some people. Then another ball of fire started in the air but this tiem it split into 3 separate shooting stars of fire and they looked as if they were coming toward me so i ran as hard as i could then for some reason i paused to see if i could measure in my head the distance it would fall, as it got closer i started running cause i knew and i felt deep in my heart that if i didn't it was going to hit near me. When it did hit it was like a mile away from me but i didn't hurt me because they were weaker than the first one.As i stopped my legs felt tight and they were really aching from running. Then once again another bomb was coming just as i was about to run forward i decided to run back the opposite way instead because deep in my heart i felt if i didn't it would have gotten me, it was like my body was beign guided by these feelings. I looked around and wanted to do something about all of this and for some reason everyone stared to call me captain planet they all looked at me in a weird way and it was like they knew i wanted to do something about it. Then the scenery switched and i ended up at home with my family i couldn't see any of the house in the dream just a window so i looked out the window the window was raised open and i saw my oldest sisters fiancé's Granny looking at me right there in front of the window she asked me if my family was doing ok i told her yes then she smiled and told me to come visit her and i told her ok and i asked where do you live and she said "over there", and where she pointed made me think of her house where she really lived i felt deep in my heart that it was. Then she turned away and as she walked of she whispered "NEW YORK". She was dressed in an all black dress with pearls around her neck tide into a not because they were so long. And also in this dream a few times i saw visions of Bin Laden. After i woke up the weirdest thing occurred to me and that is that my sisters fiancé's granny just died recently and in a picture i saw hanging on her wall before she had on a black dress with notted pearls.
Comments by Dreamer i would really love to know what this dream ment ive had another one just like it and i've had visions i think it is telling me something.
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From: andreams
Subject: nightmares
Dream Title nightmares by andreams
Date of Dream 29th October at about 3 in the morning
Dream I had a very vivid and frightening dream afew nights ago, and that is why I have found your website. It contained myself in a dingy boat, and firstly being nearly sank by a huge QE2 sized ship. Ihe dream then flashed to a room where I was being held captive by Osama Bin Laden and his followers. They made me clean away all the cobwebs in the room and I had to put all the spiders into glass jars. Well as you can imagine, I hate spiders, even little ones. Next the dream switched to being in a little room with Osama Bin Laden and a group of photographers and news people. I was forced to say that they were treating me very well and that nobody should worry about me.
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:16:47 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: World Trade Centre
Dream Title World Trade Centre. James
Date of Dream 4th september 2001
Dream I had this dream about 7 days before the attack on the World Trade Centre, and still don't know whether it had anything to do with it or not. so Im writing here to see if you can help. I don't usually have dreams that are prophetic.
The dream started with me and my mother outside my house in Australia one night, saying good-bye to her friend when we seen a really big plane in the sky, but it was sort of shaped like a pyramid. The next thing I know I'm standing between all these buildings. I can't say that I recognized it to be New York or the World Trade Centre but I was defiantly in a very big city.
So I started to walk around when I noticed this funny shaped plane again (I don't know why the plane would be shaped like this.) and it was heading straight into the building. so I started running and there was a huge explosion, and when I looked up rubble was falling every where. When I finally got out of harms way I turned to a man in a business suit and glasses and asked him what todays date is, and he said SEPTEMBER 11.
Straight after that I woke up and felt very strange like I have never felt after a dream before, and I have never asked anyone the date while dreaming before this time. I told my parents about it the next day and what date it was going to happen, but we just joked about it until it happened.
I feel within myself that it was prophetic but the only doubt I have is that I couldn't tell where it was, or why I would have the dream when I have never had any like this before, and I couldn't do anything about it.
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Dream Title Twin Towers Attacked
Date of Dream sept.25th 2001
Dream My dream starts out, It is years later after the Twin Towers were attacked. The year is unclear to me but I seem to recall it either being in the yr. 2012 or 2020. The rest of this dream is so vivid I can remember every detail.
I was on a field trip with a group of children with other mothers to take a class of first graders to the Twin Towers site to "Re-Imprint" the land with the energy of the children's, joyful innocent loving energy. We get to the site, which was now, just an open field of overgrown grass and weeds. No structures were left except for big chunks of cement here and there.
I sit down to prepare the children's picnic that we had brought along. As I am dishing up their food, the children are playing in front of me in this field. Some are playing tag some are gathering in a circle and start to dance around holding hands. I could hear them and see them out of the corner of my eye but kept to my serving. When they started dancing in this circle they started singing the Nursery Rhyme "London Bridges."
The song triggered something in me. Everything started to appear in slow motion. When I looked up to look at them, they said the verse, "Ashes, ashes, they all fall down." As soon as they said that, I started getting hit by huge flashes of white light, hitting me like lightning. Every time it flashed, I could see I was in one of the Towers and with each flash, the vision became clearer and more like I was right there at that time. I started seeing that I was observing what was in front of me, smelling an overwhelming smell of Jet fuel and smoke, mixed with a horrific smell of burning flesh. I could then see people on fire running some lay dead on the floor, and some were by the windows jumping out. It was total and complete chaos and panic. I could hear loud screams and the roar of the fire and the sound of twisting metal. The vision was so real I could even taste the dust and smoke in my mouth, and feel the heat from the fire. I came out of the vision just for a brief second only to see the plate of food that I was serving tumble to the ground as I got up to run away. I woke up screaming.
Comments by Dreamer I am not sure how it relates to my life. I have never been to New York. I have a son but he's 16 and do not work with children.This dream has stayed with me and still has that disturbing feeling that is always present when I think of it.
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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:43:17 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Ground Zero, Looking In the Future
Title of Dream: Ground Zero, Looking In the Future Pen Name: Maria
My dream starts out, It is years later after the Twin Towers were attacked. The year is unclear to me but I seem to recall it either being in the yr. 2012 or 2020. The rest of this dream is so vivid I can remember every detail.
I was on a field trip with a group of children with other mothers to take a class of first graders to the Twin Towers site to "Re-Imprint" the land with the energy of the children's, joyful innocent loving energy. We get to the site, which was now, just an open field of overgrown grass and weeds. No structures were left except for big chunks of cement here and there. I sit down to prepare the children's picnic that we had brought along. As I am dishing up their food, the children are playing in front of me in this field. Some are playing tag some are gathering in a circle and start to dance around holding hands. I could hear them and see them out of the corner of my eye but kept to my serving. When they started dancing in this circle they started singing the Nursery Rhyme "London Bridges."
The song triggered something in me. Everything started to appear in slow motion. When I looked up to look at them, they said the verse, "Ashes, ashes, they all fall down." As soon as they said that, I started getting hit by huge flashes of white light, hitting me like lightning. Every time it flashed, I could see I was in one of the Towers and with each flash, the vision became clearer and more like I was right there at that time. I started seeing that I was observing what was in front of me, smelling an overwhelming smell of Jet fuel and smoke, mixed with a horrific smell of burning flesh. I could then see people on fire running some lay dead on the floor, and some were by the windows jumping out. It was total and complete chaos and panic. I could hear loud screams and the roar of the fire and the sound of twisting metal. The vision was so real I could even taste the dust and smoke in my mouth, and feel the heat from the fire. I came out of the vision just for a brief second only to see the plate of food that I was serving tumble to the ground as I got up to run away. I woke up screaming.
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:34:52 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Golden Gate in flames - Astra
Dream Title Golden Gate in flames - Astra
Date of Dream 11/10/2001 2:00 AM
Dream After the September 11th attack and the terrorist threat to the California bridges I had a vivid hypnagogic experience of the Golden Gate bridge in San Francisco in flames. A plane had hit the bridge, causing a disaster. I was flying over the bridge in the night. The moon was full and bright, illuminating the tragic scene. A few hours later, I was still flying and saw a skyscraper in San Francisco going up in flames.
Comments by Dreamer I am upset about terrorist attacks. My father died only a few weeks ago and I feel confused and in need for protection, not war.
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Dream Title Airplanes by Amanda
Date of Dream
Dream For years now, every time I dream of an airplane, it crashes. I have dreamed of being in a plane as it crashes and of witnessing dozens of crashes. I am so used to it now, that if I dream of a plane, I stand watching it, waiting for the explosion. I cannot come up with any explanation for the reccuring dream - I have never had a bad travel experience, and these dreams were happening long before Sept 11th.
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