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++ Editor's Notes
++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Article: Maslow's Map
A New System of Dream Classification
Chapter 4: The Hero's Journey
By Linda Lane Magallón
++ Article: The Stable Intense Lights of Lucid Dreaming
By George Gillespie
++ Article & Research Data: Computer Dreams
Digital Dreaming Series #8A: DATA : Selected Dream entries from
April 2001 to June 2001 and #8B: Article: Uses of Computer Dreams
as Personal and Cultural Meaning Maps.
By Richard Catlett Wilkerson
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Welcome to the April 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to
dreams and dreaming online.
If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the
resources you need.
Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered
dreaming news from around the world. In the Global Dreaming News
you will find the latest dream and dreamwork events, conferences,
and seminars. Also you will find research and research requests
for subject, updates on your favorite dream websites, book reviews
and more. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for
Peggy, send them to her at web@dreamtree.com
Lucy Gillis explores the world of lucid dreaming and this month
turns the tables on her co-editor Robert Waggoner who usually does
all the interviewing himself. Be sure to enter the lucid mind of
RW in this month's Excerpt from the Lucid Dream Exchange:
"DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer"
Linda Lane Magallón, author of _Mutual Dreaming_ and long time
dream researcher of outer reaches of human potential, continues
her investigation into a neglected area of dreams through the work
of Humanistic psychologist, Abraham Maslow. This month Magallón
continues with _Maslow's Map: A New System of Dream
Classification_ with a selection titled "The Hero's Journey" which
explores dreams against the hierarchy of needs, suggests some
alternatives and provides a map of actualizing a wider, more
enriched life.
One of the early pioneers in educating the public about lucid
dreaming, George Gillespie's articles and texts can be found in
the Lucidity Letter Journal, Dreaming, the journal of the
Association for the Study of Dreams and in many books. Gillespie
is well know for his own abilities as in lucid dreaming and
especially for his phenomenal phenomenological observations of the
lucid dream state. In this article below, "The Stable Intense
Lights of Lucid Dreaming" Gillespie explores the experience of
light that often characterize the lucid dream state.
The Computer Dreams survey is still going, though the 9-11 events
really put a dent in the flow of respondents. Still, there is a
ton of data, and though I haven't done the statistical work on
this data, I find it is fascinating enough to present as
"literature." Be sure to look through the kinds of computer dreams
that people are having.
I'm including with the data some observations and suggestions for
the use of the material outside of scientific curiosity, mostly
inspired from an article by therapist Michael Vannoy Adams on the
metaphorical meaning of computers in dreams and the transference
and Patricia Garfield,Ph.d.'s Universal Dreams and how these show
up for us culturally and cross-culturally. For those of you who
are building your digital metaphors, be sure to read Uses of
Computer Dreams as Personal and Cultural Meaning Maps.
Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net and
have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be
sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul
of dreamers in Cyberspace.
Thanks to all who sent in information for the Dream Resources
pages. There is still time to get your site updated. You can look
through our collected website links at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/
*** !!! Dream Artists, please note the march 31 deadline for dream
inspired art entries to the ASD International Conference in Boston
at
http://www.asdreams.org/2002/
About the Cover Artist: Joy Hellman's "Night Visitors"
"I am a transcendental artist as I work mainly from intuition,
vision and "inner being". I believe in the power of dream imagery
both in my creative process and as a healing catharsis of the sub
conscious. I love symbols and I use them in my art as they are the
language of the soul and they speak from one soul to another. I
also believe that dreams are a powerful infinite 'Well' for
tapping personal visual stories. The images can be based on past
memories from childhood.
"During an eight-week dream course I concentrated on an area in
my own life and kept track of my dream symbols. I went through an
incredible process that for me proves the power of dreams. I got
in touch with childhood memories of abuse, I met three main
archetypes: The Abusive Mother, the Little Lost Child and the
Shadow Self. Through the meeting of these "Visitors of the night"
I went through a catharsis and a healing which transformed my life
with deeper wisdom and inner strength. It also gave me the
opportunity through my art to reach out to other women who had
gone through similar childhood experiences. The painting that I
did from my eight- week dream process, I donated to a Women's
Center for Abuse. It is called Breakthrough to Healing and it is a
three-part triptych that tells a story about my childhood pain, my
struggle through the darkness of my illness with anorexia and my
final healing process and breakthrough to wholeness. It is a
celebration of empowerment that was given to me during my dream
work. The painting is also an inspiration for other women and
their own breakthrough to healing. I am very honored that I went
through this dream process as it has made me artistically much
more powerful. I continue to use dream work even now. The piece on
the cover is from the painting and is called 'Night Visitors'."
Joy Hellman owns an art studio where she teaches children and
adults drawing and painting skills and facilitates women's
creativity/spirituality and dream groups. She has worked with
abused children, seniors and developmentally and mentally
disabled. She loves to experiment with mixed media as well as non-
art material in her art. Her works has been seen in a multimedia
film and on the cover of a C.D She can be reached through her e-
mail Joyof_Art@msn.com.
For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to
stop by one of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
-Richard Wilkerson
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm.
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- CANCELLED: Desert Dreams ASD Regional
- ASD International Conference #19-June in Boston
- Consciousness & Dreams Con - April 26-May 1
- Extraordinary Dreams Conference - April 27
- 3rd Annual Toronto Festival Of Dreams - May 30
- Japanese TV needs pre-cognitive dreamers
- Pre-cognitive dream survey for TV Show
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- ASD Journal Articles Online
- Electric Dreams Articles Online
- The Vaults of Erowid
- Sleep Site includes Dreaming Articles
- DreamGate's History of Dream Class update
FOCUS : Dream Publications!
- DreamNetwork Magazine
- ASD Dream Time Magazine
- ASD Dreaming Journal
- Oniros (French)
- Electric Dreams
DREAM CALENDAR for April 2002
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>>> CANCELLED: Desert Dreams Regional, March 23, 2002
Desert Dreams has been cancelled. The Association for the Study of
Dreams is making adjustments. Please see the ASD Website for other
regional meetings.
http://www.asdreams.org/subidxconfuture.htm
Come to ASD's Desert Dreams regional meeting Saturday, March 23,
2002, from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. This wonderful regional activity
will be held in Cathedral City, California (next to Palm Springs,
approximately 100 miles east of Los Angeles). Help us spread the
word! Forward the Desert Dreams website to people you know.
>>> ASD XIX International Conference
Boston (Medford) Massachusetts
June 15 -19 , 2002
Dreams and Cultures, Dreams and Sleep Research, and Dreams and the
Arts themes.
ASD'S 19TH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE will begin on Saturday
evening, June 15, 2002 with a lively invited panel which will
address the issue of "Why Dreams Matter". Speakers will be
representing the Arts, Research, Psychotherapy, Cross-Cultural,
and Spiritual and Religious Studies--themes that will be present
throughout the conference. Allan Hobson and Robbie Bosnak have
accepted invitations to be on the panel, as well as to give
invited addresses.
For further news on the conference program, go to:
http://asdreams.org/2002/
Select Program
General submissions are now closed but the deadline for submitting
slides for the art show is March 31, 2002 (See details below). The
conference will begin on the Tufts University Campus, on Saturday,
June 15th and end with the traditional dream ball on Wednesday
evening the 19th of June. This allows you a few days to see
Boston, Cape Cod or New England on Thursday after the conference.
Log on to see the latest details on the June 15-19, 2002
conference including key contacts, presenters, registration,
submissions, transportation, conferences themes, etc. Go to:
http://www.asdreams.org/2002
>>>> Consciousness and Dreams Conference
APRIL 26-MAY 1:
FOURTH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON SCIENCE AND CONSCIOUSNESS
:CONSCIOUSNESS EXPLORING ITSELF
Albuquerque, NM, produced by The Message
Company and co-sponsored with 26 other associations, universities,
etc., including California Institute for Integral Studies,
Association for Humanistic Psychology, Institute of Transpersonal
Psychology, American
Society for Psychical Research, Saybrook Graduate School, JFKU's
Consciousness Studies Dept., etc. The program is excellent as
always with speakers such as Fritjof Capra, Peter Russell, Rupert
Sheldrake, Matthew Fox, and more. (www.bizspirit.com)
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At this conference we will explore the scientific and spiritual
dimensions of Consciousness, including dreams and consciousness.
http://www.bizspirit.com/science/index.html
>>>> Extraordinary Dreams Conference
APRIL 27
EXTRAORDINARY DREAMS
FROM CRISIS TO CREATIVITY
Cincinnati, OH.
Regional Meeting, Association for the Study of Dreams.
Jodine Grundy, Betty Hollin and Roger Knudson, hosts. Speakers
will include Stanley Krippner, Jane White-Lewis, Betty Hollin and
Roger Knudson. There will also be dream-sharing round tables,
dream theater led by actress and playwright Sara Ridberg of
Dreamplayers, and a performance of a premiere Dream Dance, The
Crow and the Phoenix, story and choreography by ASD member and
dancer, Valley Reed.
This regional offers an exciting new format, at relatively low
cost ($50-lunch included). for details
:
http://www.e-dreamdesigns.com/asdohio.htm
>>>> 3RD ANNUAL TORONTO FESTIVAL OF DREAMS
DREAMS, MYTH, AND SPIRITUALITY
MAY 30, 31, JUNE 1
Toronto, ONT.
Co-sponsored with the Fremes-Swift Community Development fund,
hosted by Mike Hynes and the Institute for Psychotherapy an
Emotional Bodywork.
Featured speakers (to date). Speakers include: Liliana Acero,
Joan Barnett, Beverley Clarkson, Adam Crabtree, Anne Deck, James
Gollnick, David Gordon, Bob Hoss, Annie Jacobsen, John M. Lee,
Shirley Ma, Sharon MacIsaac, Dan McDonald, Gregory Nye, Craig
Webb, Ann Sayre Wiseman.
Visit:
http://spiritcentral.com/dreams/2002.htm
for further information.
>>>> Japanese TV needs pre-cognitive dreamers.
Katsuya Kurosaki works for a Japanese TV Production Company, BK.
Nexent Inc., in New York City and they are looking for pre-
cognitive dreams and dreamers for their new Television show. From
Katsuya:
" At this time, we are planning to broadcast the amazing facts of
the Dream Precognition for prime time entertainment television
show titled "Unbelievable B" in Japan. We are now gathering
information as much as possible about this subject. To produce the
program, we would like to have stories of your precognitive dream
experience. In Japan, we already found person who predicted
September 11 WTC tragedy by the precognitive dream more than 18
months before the attack. He has been taking dream diary since 17
years ago and has drawing of WTC in flames that was drown right
after the waking. He has been predicting some other unusual events
and the accidents as well. We are now finding several impressive
drawings from all over the world.
Please help us to find some kind of the drawings and people who
have an ability to predict future by the dreaming. It doesn't
matter what kind of events you predicted. But, if you have the
drawing to prove your precognitive dream, it will be very nice and
appearing to Japanese audiences (You know audience always doesn't
want to believe this kind of stories without some evidence). We
have not found the drawing in United State yet. We need your
support to find it and please send me your information.
Fax#: (212)697-9542
E-mail: kurosaki@nexent.tv
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Question about Pre-cognitive Dream
-When did you start having precognitive dream? (When were you
aware of it?)
*Tell us a story about your first precognitive dream.
-Do you have precognitive dream everyday?
-Do you have normal dream as well?
-How do you know and distinguish normal dream and precognitive
dream?
-Does precognitive dream always hit successfully?
*Could you tell me your hitting ratio?
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- Are you able to have precognitive dream intentionally?
- What is the difference between precognitive dream and Déjà vu?
*Is it same as a prophetic dream?
-What is the difference between precognitive dream and regular
prophecy?
-What kind of condition you need to be in, in order to have
precognitive dream?
(Environmental condition and Physical condition)
- -How much detail can you predict by precognitive dream? Does the
precognitive dream have any of concreteness? (Date&Time, Location,
People, and Event)
- -Do you dream about only a bad precognitive dream? Or you have a
good dream as well.
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- -Your Precognitive dream is B/W or Full colors?
Ø *How vivid it is?
Ø *Can you draw picture of your precognitive dream?
-While you are dreaming, are you aware of that you are dreaming?
-Can you have precognitive dream in different country?
-Can you have precognitive dream in different countries where you
have not visited? (The location does not affect to your
precognitive dream?)
-Do you need certain information or knowledge for precognitive
dream? (People or location you see in your precognitive dream must
be the people or location you have known?) For Example, can you
have dream related to Japan?
Question for Doctor and researcher
-How do you call people who have ability to predict future in
dream?
-Could you tell me brief result of your experiment? (What did you
find and hitting ratio)
*Do you have video footage of it?
*If you have the video footage, could you tell me
specifically what was shot?
-Do you believe that precognitive dream is actually exist?
*If it is "Yes", could you tell your perspective to our
audience?
*Although you don't believe it, how could you tell your
perspective about precognitive dream to our audience?
-Can everyone have precognitive dream after special training? Or
is it for only person who has special talent.
-What kind of situation is the best to have precognitive dream?
Fax#: (212)697-9542
E-mail: kurosaki@nexent.tv
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with
others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the
word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm
This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone
keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to
send changes to the links page to us.
>>> Dreaming Journal Articles online
http://www.asdreams.org/journal/articles/index.htm
The Association for the Study of Dreams publishes a peer-reviewed
journal called _Dreaming_ once a quarter. While the journal is
only mailed to members and select libraries, the Editor in Chief,
Deirdre Barrett, Ph.D., releases a major article to the public for
each edition. These articles are of interest to dreamworkers, but
also to research scientists, clinicians, anthropologists and any
other person or group who takes dreams seriously.
>>>> Electric Dreams articles online
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-articles/
You are probably already familiar with the extensive back issue
collection of Electric Dreams from 1994 to 2002, but are you aware
that most of these articles have been extracted and indexed by
author and keyword? If not, you are in for a treat and one of the
largest collections of texts online about dreams and dreaming and
dreamwork.
>>> The Vaults of Erowid
A personally funded research project for the explorer of the
netherworlds, the Vaults of Erowid now sport a page on Dreams and
Dreaming. What is unique is that people submit experiences and
the techniques that contributed to that experience. Warning,
includes controlled substance reports and is not recommended for
children.
http://www.erowid.org/spirit/dreaming/dreaming.shtml
>>>> Sleep Site includes Dreaming Articles
http://sommeil.univ-lyon1.fr/articles/te2e.html
The Sleep, Dreams and Wakefulness site hosts a 50,000 article
database on Sleep and Dreams. While the site is mostly for sleep,
not dream, research, some real gems in dream research can be found
there, including
>>>> History of Dreams online Class update
http://www.dreamgate.com/class
The DreamGate "History of Dreams" Course has been offered online
for many years but has been difficult for those of you in other
countries as the class only accepted US currency and checks. Now
you can join the class using credit card online!
WHAT YOU GET ======>
When you have finished the class, you will have a grasp
of the whole history of dream work and be able to apply
many of the techniques to your own dreams and others.
[Six Week Class, 2 Lesson Modules per week plus groups)
You will also be plugged into the global dream
community, given a free subscription to the Dream Sharing
Ezine _Electric Dreams_, which includes the Global Dreaming
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Dream magazine and newsletters have functioned to provide a voice
for the sometimes unheard dreamworker and researcher, but also tie
the community of dream folks together, provide the first glimpse
of the work that is being done and fire up the deep creativity and
forward progress of the Dream Movement. Salute also goes to
wonderful but now out-of-print newsletters, magazine and journals
including DreamWorks, The Sundance Journal, The Lucidity Letter,
Dream Scene, Oniros, Night Vision, and the many local and regional
dream newsletters. And below are some of the still-active
publications on dreams and dreaming. Next month, dream
newsletters!
>>>> The Dream Network Magazine
http://www.dreamnetwork.net/
Dream Network is the in-print and online vehicle for a growing
grassroots network of individuals who believe in the value and
power of dreams to help us, individually and collectively, to
positively transform ourselves and our world.
From Publisher Roberta Ossana "We encourage you to realize
that your dreams do have purpose and meaning; and aspire to
provide inspiration and education to help you in better
understanding their symbolic and metaphoric language. In Dream
Network, we explore a new Question or Focus each issue, The Art of
Dreamsharing and Dream Education and the Mythic Dimension. Each
issue contains regular columns, book reviews, poetry, a
resourceful Classified Section and extraordinary dream iinspired
Art.
Dream Network is a beautifully created, professional publication,
available worldwide."
Dream Network, 1337 Powerhouse Lane, Suite 22, Moab, UT 84532
Phone 435-259-5936
>>>> Dream Time Magazine (ASD)
http://www.asdreams.org/idxmagazine.htm
Dream Time is an information service and forum for ASD members.
The online section includes news about conferences and other
meetings and events, articles on dreams and dreaming, as well as
research abstracts of past issues and special columns on dreams
and film, dreams and Cyberspace, dreams and books.
Dream Time is now available to the public! Dream Time covers
special issues that are of interest to the general public as well
as researchers, such as the children's dreams issue and dreams and
spirituality. These are now available for a reasonable fee. For
more information, see ordering reprints.
>>>> ASD journal Dreaming
http://www.asdreams.org/idxjournal.htm
Dreaming is a multidisciplinary journal, the only professional
journal devoted specifically to dreaming.
The journal publishes scholarly articles related to dreaming from
any discipline and viewpoint. This includes biological aspects of
dreaming and sleep/dream laboratory research; psychological
articles of any kind related to dreaming; clinical work on dreams
regardless of theoretical perspective (Freudian, Jungian,
existential, eclectic, etc.); anthropological, sociological, and
philosophical articles related to dreaming; and articles about
dreaming from any of the arts and humanities.
All papers undergo peer review by three to six referees, both
within and outside the discipline of the author.
>>>> ONIROS and the French Association for the Study of Dreams
http://www.oniros.fr/home.html
ONIROS often publishes a magazine in French about dream and
dreaming topics. Contact Roger Ripert for details on previous
issues:
Oniros Association
Chitry Mount Shoe
58190 NEUFFONTAINES
France
Tel.: (33) 03.86.24.86.41
Fax: (33) 03.86.24.04.94
Email: oniros@club-internet.fr
>>>> Electric Dreams E-zine
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
The Electric Dreams e-zine is a public service magazine devoted to
dreams and dreaming, with a focus on online dream sharing.
Electric Dreams is published and distributed once a month via e-
mail and archived online. We accept articles, news, dreams and
comments on dreams. As a public service, we do not offer payment
for articles, but we can offer you publicity for your ideas,
covers, projects and services.
Articles: We like to encourage articles that explore dreaming on
the Internet, but we accept articles on all topics in dreaming,
including dreamwork, dream research, dream inspired poetry and
art, dream science, anthropology, psychology, philosophy and dream
articles with unusual foci. Please send your articles to Richard
Wilkerson at rcwilk@dreamgate.com . You can send these articles in
any format you like, however we would like to have them sent as MS
Word or WordPerfect attachments. Please virus check before
sending. More information HERE about style, copyrights and
deadlines.
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News: The Global Dreaming News accepts news on all topics in
dreams and dreaming, including book reviews, web updates,
announcements of conferences, seminars and workshops, research
requests and announcement of other events. Please send your dream
news to Peggy Coats at web@dreamtree.com
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Dreams: Electric Dreams collects dreams from contributors and
publishes these anonymously once a month. If you have a dreams you
would like to share, please submit those to our dream entry form.
If you are interested in joining a dream group online, please see
the DreamWheel information.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
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Community: Electric Dreams community members offer many dream-
related venues for interaction, including the DreamWheel and
eDreams dream groups, dream sharing bulletin boards from
DreamTree.com, the dreamchatters eList hosted by Victoria Quinton.
Richard Wilkerson also offers a popular History of Dreaming course
at DreamGate.com that covers the full history of dreams and
dreaming starting at the first of each month. We also offer and
support many special online events, such as the annual Dream
Swarm, online Chat via ASD and the monthly mutual dream
destination. Subscribe to the monthly e-mail magazine to keep up
on all the latest events as Electric Dreams and elsewhere on the
Net.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
or
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
>>> Unimagazin, Dreams Issue
There are many magazine that will do special focus months on
dreams. Here is a recent German zine with devoted a whole issue to
dreams:
http://www.unicom.unizh.ch/magazin/archiv/pdf/magazin2000-1.pdf
The unimagazin is a quarterly magazine of the <?xml:namespace
prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
/>University of Zurich. Each issue is dedicated to one major
theme. The first issue 2000 was dedicated to "dreaming, soul and
world in dreams" It gives a good overview of the main approaches
to dreaming at the University of Zurich. These are the (Freudian)
psychoanalytical and the empirical scientific approach (studies
with a sleep laboratory).
>>>> Peacock's Perch: A Journal of Paradigm Perspectives
http://www.paragonpeacock.com
The Winter 2002 issue features two articles on dreams, one by
Richard Wilkerson on dreamwork in the 21st Century.
paragon@paragonpeacock.com
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26 April - 1 May Consciousness and Dreams Conference
Albuquerque, NM
http://www.bizspirit.com/science/index.html
27 April - Extraordinary Dreams Conference
EXTRAORDINARY DREAMS:FROM CRISIS TO CREATIVITY
Cincinnati, OH.
http://www.e-dreamdesigns.com/asdohio.htm
15-19 - June in Boston (Medford) Massachusetts
ASD XIX International Conference
Boston (Medford) Massachusetts
http://www.asdreams.org/2002
30 May - 1 June 3rd Annual Toronto Festival of Dreams
Toronto, ONT.
http//spiritcentral.com/dreams/2002.htm
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DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer
In future issues of LDE, co-editor Robert Waggoner will be
interviewing lucid dreamers, discussing their experiences and
interests. I thought it only fair that Robert, a long time lucid
dreamer himself, be interviewed first!
Robert Waggoner has been lucid dreaming for the past 25 years.
Besides assisting with the LDE, he speaks at conferences and
occasionally writes on lucid dreaming. He's a strong supporter of
the Association for the Study of Dreams, and encourages lucid
dreamers to check them out at www.asdreams.org. When not dreaming,
he lives in Ames, IA with his wife, Wendy, and two cats.
[L] How long have you been lucid dreaming?
I began lucid dreaming in the spring of 1975 after reading Journey
to Ixtlan by Carlos Castaneda. It seemed quite simple to use the
method taught in the book to "set up dreaming". Carlos was told by
his teacher don Juan that, "Tonight in your dreams you must look
at your hands." He clarified it a bit and said, "But pick one
thing in advance and find it in your dreams. I said your hands
because they will always be there." Don Juan advised Carlos that
when he saw his hands in his dreams then he would naturally
realize he was dreaming.
I interpreted all of this to mean that before going to sleep I
should look at my hands and suggest to myself to see them in the
dream state. In the dream, seeing one's hands would then be the
cue to become conscious or lucid within the dream - just like some
conditioned response, in which a stimulus elicits a certain
response.
[L] How did that technique turn out?
Within a few days of trying this practice each night, I had my
first actively sought lucid dream at age 17. It was incredible!
[L] What was your first lucid dream like?
The first lucid dream began simply enough. In it, I was walking in
the hallways of my High School, at the junction of B and C halls.
As I prepared to push the door open, I suddenly felt like the
world had become brighter somehow. Suddenly my hands flew up in
front of my face which made me realize, "This is a dream! This is
a dream!" I walked a few feet towards the Administration Building
with a great feeling of euphoria and energy, welling up inside. I
decided to look back down at my hands and this time I became
totally absorbed in them. I saw each fingerprint, each line, as if
it were a giant flesh-toned canyon that I hovered above and
within. I felt like the world was now my palmprint, and that I
could spend eternity moving about its vast canyons and gullies and
whorls. I no longer saw a hand, I saw cream colored canyon-like
walls of varying undulations surround me, through which my
perception seemed to float. I was ecstatic and joyous, filled with
awe. I wondered how this could be. Then, my vision popped back to
normal proportions and I saw again that I was standing in front of
the Administration Building with my hands outstretched. I thought
about what to do, and felt this incredible urge to fly, to fly! I
became airborne heading straight up for the sunny sky. At this
point the overwhelming feelings of elation had reached their
maximum pitch and the lucid dream ended and I awoke, astounded
with my heart pounding.
[L] What did you think about that?
I had never felt such intense feelings of elation, energy and
utter freedom. I was amazed to realize that my hands literally
flew up to my face as if propelled by some magical force in the
dream state. Still it seemed so paradoxical - to become conscious
when dreaming - to become conscious in the unconscious!? What a
concept!
So each night before I went to sleep, I would look at my hands and
remind myself that I wanted to see my hands in my dreams. I found
it an extremely easy technique to follow. At the time (1975) it
was the only technique that I was aware of. I think it was 1980
when I learned of LaBerge's MILD technique, and I had excellent
success with it.
[L] Why do you think the Castaneda technique is not more popular?
Well, there are two reasons. First, some people think it is
extraordinarily boring. That's true of course, but I think that is
one reason the technique works -- my belief is that when your
"ego" gets bored and sleepy as you look at your hands before going
to sleep, the lack of ego focus allows the intent of lucidity to
reach your inner self. It's like the ego is a sentry at the gates
to the unconscious, and only when it is bored or sleepy, can the
idea of one's intent to lucid dream move over to the inner self.
The other reason for the lack of popularity is probably the
concerns about Castaneda's veracity. The books have some
incredible stories that defy rational explanations and some have
suggested that Castaneda took eastern techniques and wove them
into a shamanic fictional story. I don't know what the truth is -
I just liked the practical technique.
[L] Do you still use the Castaneda technique to achieve lucidity?
No. Nowadays, I am much more likely to become lucid by simply
noticing something odd in the dream - fish swimming in the air, my
deceased father talking to me, a shimmery surface, etc. And on
those nights when I'm consciously trying to have a lucid dream, I
am much more likely to use LaBerge's MILD technique, the CRAM
technique (my self-created Constant Repetition - Affirming Message
in which I clear my mind and constantly repeat my intention to
become lucid), or wake up for 10 minutes in the early morning
hours and concentrate on lucid dreaming before going back to
sleep.
[L] How did your lucid dreaming progress?
Like most people, I assume, I initially was caught up in the
basics of prolonging the lucid dream, exploring the lucid
environment and its verisimilitude to the waking state, flying and
trying to interact with characters in the dream. Though on another
level, one could say that I was actually learning to use my "will"
and "intent" and "expectation" in a psychological environment.
One of my fortunate encounters was getting an invitation to join
Linda Magallon's "Lucidity Project" in which lucid dreamers were
given a monthly goal or challenge to achieve in their lucid
dreaming. For me, having a challenge was essential to progressing
as a lucid dreamer.
[L] What were some of the lucid dream challenges?
They varied. One month it was to find out what the symbols in the
dream meant - and so I had a wonderful lucid dream of asking a
dream character what he represented whereupon a voice boomed out
of the sky with a response, followed by me asking for a
clarification and the voice booming out the clarified response. It
was simultaneously hilarious and insightful. Other challenges were
things like developing a self affirmation in a lucid dream or
getting precognitive information in a lucid dream.
The value of these challenges were twofold: first, I learned how
to take a waking task into the lucid environment, experiment with
it and retrieve the information, and second, I learned that the
realm of lucid dreaming was much, much deeper than I previously
supposed and called into question many ordinary suppositions about
one's daily (and often unquestioned) reality.
[L] And since then, what lucid dream interests have you
investigated?
I got into various things. On one level, I was very interested in
the apparent workings of the mind, while lucid in a dream. It
seemed to me that if one became lucid and just observed, one could
see the principles of the unconscious mind (assuming of course
that dreaming and lucid dreaming take place in the unconscious).
Personally, as I did this, I developed the idea that the detached
lucid dreamer was seeing the unconscious in a state of
Associational Entropy. Entropy is a term from physics that is
defined as "the measure of a system to undergo spontaneous
change". Association is a term used in psychology to suggest "a
mental connection or relation between thoughts, feelings, ideas or
sensations." As the dream events unfolded there seemed to be
associational linkages amongst the objects or symbols in the
observed lucid dream.
When you stop in a lucid dream and simply observe, in my
experience, things continue to happen. Cars move. People walk. All
of this happens without the lucid dreamer "willing" it or
"controlling" it (by the way, I really dislike people saying lucid
dreaming is about "controlling" dreams; it is more accurate to say
that lucid dreaming is about directing one's awareness in the
dream). Since things continue to happen, it made me assume that
there are underlying mental processes and that they likely follow
certain principles. It reminded me of being in 8th grade science
class, when we learned about "Brownian movement" or the continuing
currents of movement in a 'still' glass of liquid water. The
unconscious seems to be involved in its own Brownian movement, and
one would suppose that there are some basic underlying principles
that account for that. It seems to me that lucid dreamers could
shed light on these issues of psychology and psychological
mechanisms - perhaps better than many other approaches that come
to mind!
[L] What else?
Well, I also explored various things like precognition while lucid
dreaming. On my first try with this, I ended up lucid and then
thinking, "How can I precognate, when I am cognating now?" Upon
waking, I could see that I would have to plan to have the
precognitive information be "apart" from me. That is, I would have
to get it from a dream character or suggest that it would appear
somehow. I felt that my precognitive lucid dreaming experiences
were quite successful. Yet, I learned that one often has to
translate that lucid dream data or response - and therefore if you
screw up the translation or interpretation, then you may be
disappointed.
I also worked on other issues like mutual lucid dreaming with some
excellent lucid dreamers, like Ed Kellogg and Linda Magallon.
Basically, we set up a scientific protocol in which each person
randomly selected a code word from a group of 100 words and a
gesture from a group of 10 gestures. On a predetermined night, we
were to become lucid and find the other individual's, and pass on
our code word and gesture and receive their code word and gesture
while taking observations about the lucid dream environment, and
then wake up and send all of this to a third party "fair witness"
for analysis. Here again, I feel we had some success, and learned
a lot about mutual dreaming and telepathy and all. It was quite
amazing actually. It also made me wonder why one doesn't hear more
about experimentation with lucid dreaming.
[L] Do you feel that lucid dreaming is a personal, subjective
event or a larger, mutual event?
Since I grew up in the Midwest and didn't have lucid dreamers to
talk to, it surprised me that when I joined the Association for
the Study of Dreams that other lucid dreamers and I had apparent
commonalities of lucid experiences. These "commonalities" suggest
that lucid dreaming may be less subjective or entirely intra-
personal than normally supposed. While I could argue that there is
an element of mutuality in some lucid dreams, it is a very
complicated issue. For example, many of us lucid dreamers could
talk about the common features of being in another's dream - how
it differs and what it is like - and an objective observer would
have a hard time denying the similarities - but explaining the
whys and hows boggles the mind.
[L] What do you think is the future of lucid dreaming?
I hope that lucid dreaming will become even better known, due to
movies like "Vanilla Sky" and the work of lucid dreamer proponents
and researchers. I hope that people will go beyond lucid dreaming
as an interesting curiosity and see lucid dreaming's potential to
explore consciousness and effect our understanding of psychology,
and our subjective reality and larger world.
Also, I imagine that individuals will begin to go deeper into
lucid dreams and try to find some boundaries to lucid dreaming's
depths. About 8 or 9 years ago, I ultimately decided to try and go
"beyond lucid dreaming" - beyond symbolism, beyond preconceptions,
beyond expectations. At first, I didn't realize what was
happening, and I began to have some very unusual and special
experiences, which are actually hard to verbalize. To sum it up, I
think lucid dreaming has a "bright" future.
Robert Waggoner can be contacted at dreambob@aol.com
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Maslow's Map
A New System of Dream Classification
Chapter 4: The Hero's Journey
©1999 Linda Lane Magallón
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(Psychologist Abraham Maslow created a scale of needs to describe
the human condition, from basic existence to optimum potential.
The scale can be used to take the temperature of your dreams.)
Chapter 4: The Hero's Journey
Somewhere above us, in elusive ether,
Waits the fulfillment of our dearest dreams.
Bayard Taylor
There's a path up from the underground and headed for the heavens.
We can hitch our hearts to our starlit desires and rise to become
the heroes of our own lives. We can build dreams less violent and
more growth-producing in which our latent talents are developed
and appreciated. We can graduate from victim to victor of our
lives. We can strengthen ourselves, encourage a new kind of
emotional toughness and self-protection that yet honors the
ability to connect in friendship with others. We can become self-
actualized.
Self-Actualization
The process of self actualization means the development of
existent or latent potential. But in determining self fulfillment,
Maslow went far beyond what the average person considers excellent
physical and mental health. He said, "The human being needs a
framework of values, a philosophy of life, and religion or
religion-surrogate to live by and understand by, in about the same
sense he needs sunlight, calcium or love."
Maslow's idea is close to what Carl Jung called "individuation" in
which you become an individual self. Finding, recovering,
integrating or growing your true self is the role of
actualization. Jung's individuation process uses dreams in a
series for proper interpretation. When dreams are linked, they
begin to form a story. Rather than snapshots of a day in the life
of the dreaming self, they become pieces of a larger movie film.
To describe this ongoing life story, Jung used the term "Hero's
Journey." The hero's journey displays the ups and downs, the
unfolding of the inner self. It shows how we are restored to the
path of self-actualization and development along the lines
dictated by our inner nature.
Self actualized dreams push back the inner horizon that defines
the limits of who we are and what we can be. During such dreams,
our dreaming selves are at the top of their form. Not bored or
indifferent. Not struggling or turning tail. Exercised,
harmonized, integrated into a balanced whole. Acting with a strong
sense of purpose, with energies galvanized to the task at hand, a
task fully invested with meaning. And, since acting is life, there
is significance in the life in the dream. To perform as a
fulfilled and complete individual brings exhilaration and joy.
It's also great fun.
However, the self-actualizing person knows that he can and must
accept responsibility for his actions. So he is not immune to
feelings like fear. But he does not ignore or repress or run away
from them. He stands up to these feelings until they do not
overwhelm and paralyze him.
Maslow knew that human beings are not perfect. He said that self-
actualized people "are *not* free of guilt, anxiety, sadness,
self-castigation, internal strife and conflict" during their daily
lives. He realized that even psychologists sometimes find it hard
to distinguish between neurotic sources and honest response to
true troubles. Between pseudo guilt and real guilt, for example.
In addition, Maslow agreed with Victor Frankl and Rollo May that
self-actualization is not just a yearning from within. It involves
a calling to service in the day-to-day world. He was concerned
about mystical or exotic experience divorced from ethics. He
stressed the importance of moral behavior.
And he knew the problems of being good or healthy in an imperfect
culture. He realized that it takes a combination of inner autonomy
and realistic appraisal of the outer life. Such a course was
possible so long as the culture was tolerant of being detached
from complete cultural identification, in order to stay healthy.
It would be difficult in a society where Big Brother was watching
to see if you goose-stepped to the same tune as everyone else.
Vertical and Horizontal Development
Maslow's scale is a hierarchy. His presumption is that our journey
of growth and development is vertical, from base to peak. In order
to make progress, you move step by step from the bottom to the top
of the scale:
1. You have nightmares or mundane dreams.
2. You analyze your dreams and discover that the average dream
(plateau of health) is at the Basic Needs level.
3. Your dreams perplex or disturb.
4. You do dreamwork at the base of the dream tree to interpret or
resolve them.
5. You do dreamplay at the heights of the dream tree to induce
extraordinary dreams.
6. They are creative and enjoyable, rather than disturbing.
7. They are clearer dreams, easier to interpret and understand.
8. Your plateau of health shifts upwards towards the Growth Needs
level.
I tend to agree with the idea of upward movement, but not totally.
While overall progress might be made, each new type of challenge
in the Hero's Journey can involve setbacks, great leaps forward or
starting all over again. At it's best, the Hero's Journey is
actually a zigzag path, a mandala, a spiral, a web we weave of our
lives. It may be balanced, it may be loaded in one place or
another.
Dreams At the Base
The dream tree, with base level, mid-range and growth level dreams
is a measure of the psyche's health. A dreamer can dally in the
treetops, the trunk or the roots of the dream tree. In each place,
we can expand knowledge and experience of a particular dream
symbol or type, such as having a series of dreams about the
relationship with our family. I know an artist who dreams
repeatedly about her lost sister, a legal assistant who induces
dreams of going to the light and an architect who builds as many
homes in his dreams as in his waking life. We can specialize
according to our particular interests, challenges and assets.
But that doesn't strike me as a very balanced or well-rounded
approach, if one specializes too soon. I know a dreamer who never
attempted to have a second lucid dream because her first one was
boring. She only experienced lucidity at the mundane level of
dreaming. I know a woman who is frightened of her psychic dreams,
because they are dreams of death and disaster. She's been dreaming
just basic, survival level psychic dreams.
When I observe their dreams, it seems to me that people can get
stuck in ruts. A person caught in the lower realms of the scale
may be suffering a sort of dream poverty consciousness. At the
level of trauma, the focus is on struggle and survival.
I recall listening to the life story of a dreamer who had reach
the edge of death not once, but three times. Each time she beat
back the demon of disease. A great story of healing, was it not? I
might have agreed, until she told me yet the third experience. By
then, the tale sounded like a repeating nightmare. Furthermore,
she had deliberately decided to become a healer. Was that her true
calling, her mission, her destiny? Or was that all the life she
ever knew? If you only have basic level needs, it's time to raise
your ceiling of expectations and grow upwards towards the heights
of inspiration and creativity.
The Jonah Complex
The opposite of the urge for actualization is the regressive,
self-diminishing tendency. Many people choose the lower road
rather than the higher. They choose to avoid truth, virtue,
beauty. They choose to hide from their further development, like
Jonah in the whale. What Maslow called the Jonah Complex more than
a simple fear of success, though. It's an almost willful failure
to develop full potential.
Why? There are benefits from staying where you are. You don't have
to work against the current, you can float round and round in the
eddies of life. It's comfortable, or at least the discomfort is a
known rather than an unknown element. The current situation seems
to solve your troubles (whereas actually it does so only
temporarily...it's just a coping measure). You fear that instead
of going upwards, you'll go downwards, revealing not your best but
your worst self. You enjoy the stimulus, the excitement that
trauma and drama. You fear that moving on will mean you'll have to
lose something crucial, like fun and enjoyment or meaning and
significance. You're ignorant of the fact that those things can be
attained on the other levels. And maybe even better. Certainly
healthier.
Mid Range Ruts
In the mid ranges the rut can be a focus on the mundane, surface
of things. Looking neither up to their potentials nor down to the
roots of their problems, these folks have blinders on to their
fuller life existence. They walk straight ahead, but don't dig
deep nor launch to the heavens. Their dreams are mostly a rerun of
daily events.
If you only have mundane dreams, you may need to expand your
repertoire to appreciate or incubate dreams at the extremes, for a
wider understanding of the entire dream tree.
By using personality tests, Maslow discovered that persons who
tested sure of themselves (at the level of self-respect) could
nevertheless be arrogant and smug (they hadn't achieved growth at
the level of safety and security). He pointed out that "The person
who is high in self-esteem and is also insecure is interested not
so much in helped weaker people as in dominating and hurting
them." He understood that it is possible to be satisfied at one
level and still have weaknesses at a lower level that add up to an
immature, unbalanced personality.
Looky-Loos
I have come across folks who ignore dream trauma and only record
their mystical dreams. They drift ethereally as disembodied
intellects or intuitionals, reporting bliss experiences without
making reality checks. Their dream reports are like a happy face
balloon, but never reaching the earth. Ungrounded in waking life,
they are oblivious to underground influence.
One such dreamer I knew never interpreted his dreams. They were
humorous and complex, such an unlikely combination of things that
he would sometimes wake up into another level of consciousness. It
was as if his dreaming self were playing with ideas in the theater
of all possibilities. But he dreamt of jumping from one leaf to
another, leaves that were detached from any trees. His dreams
reflected the fact that, in waking life, he used humor as a way of
avoiding things. Humor was his protection from engaging in the
deeper challenges of existence. He wasn't grounded in the
realization that he had problems that needed resolution.
Maslow described them as "multitudes of starry-eyed dilettantes -
big talkers, great planners, tremendously enthusiastic" who
disappear in a puff of smoke as soon as a little hard work is
required. He called them "Looky-Loos."
Maslow didn't agree with their "big bang" theory of personal
transformation.
He said, "It seems that they have in the back of their heads some
notion of self-actualization as a kind of lightning stroke which
will hit them on the head suddenly without their doing anything
about it...they all seem to want to wait passively for it to
happen without any effort on their part. Furthermore, (they) have
tended unconsciously to define self-actualization in terms of
getting rid of all inhibitions and controls in favor of complete
spontaneity and impulsivity... (they have) no stubbornness, no
persistence, no frustration tolerance."
The Peak Experience
At the top of Maslow's scale is the peak experience. Maslow
discovered that self-actualizing people tend to have such
experiences.
Peak experiences are moments when the individual feels at his very
best: moments of great awe, intense happiness, surprise or bliss.
There is a sense of clarity, exhilaration and openness. A sense of
fuller vision extending to apparently limitless horizons. An
experiential sense of "Being." It might be an aesthetic
perception, intense sensuality, a loving perception, a mystical
experience, a creative moment, a flash of insight.
The simplest version involves fascination, concentration or
absorption in anything which is interesting enough to hold the
attention completely, to detach from time and place and exist in
the present moment. Some words to describe a positive peak
experience are poignant, emotional, climactic, unifying and
meaningful. They involve feelings of wonder, loss of fear, rapture
or ecstasy. This state of consciousness contains more of what
dreams are: visual, spatial, emotional, kinesthetic.
Self-validation of such an intense phenomenon was not enough for
Maslow, though. He believed that validity of the peak experience
is measured by what happens to the person subsequently. It is
possible for a great insight to be mistaken, the great love to
disappear, the poem to be thrown away when read in the light of
day. Checking, choosing, confirming and rejecting the fruits
follow from the cornucopia experience. Not all products of the
psyche are equally practical. Not all fruits are equally sweet.
"Creation of a product that will stand up feels subjectively the
same as the creation of a product that folds up later under cold,
objective critical scrutiny," said Maslow. "The habitually
creative person knows this well, expecting half of his great
moments of insight not to work out." The dreamer who habitually
pays attention to his dreams will discover that, whatever his
dreams supportintuition, insight, cognition, psychic abilities
are never 100% accurate, because none of we humans are perfect.
The peak experience tends to come at times of intense physical
effort and mental concentration. William James called it the
"mystic experience," Freud called it "the oceanic feeling."
Athletes call it "the zone." Those athletes who can enter "the
zone" most easily tend to be the best in their fields. They attain
a state of being that allows them to be "in the moment." It frees
them from performance anxiety, negative thoughts, fear of
mistakes, inner criticism, harsh judgment and over-analysis that
can lead to inferior results or defeat.
However, the athletes do not achieve success without time and
effort. In order to shift into automatic, the mind and body must
learn the prerequisite performance elements, then practice,
practice, practice to get them right. The trance-like state allows
the mind and body to do what it has been trained to do. Peak
experiences don't "just happen" to anyone. Even if they seem to be
spontaneous, they "happen" to a mind, body and spirit that is
capable of receiving them.
In general, I'd call a peak experience dream, your favorite
energetic type of dream, that is, the one with the most positive
energy. If your favorite energetic type dream is one in which you
sing, a peak experience would be one in which singing is
effortless and pleasurable. A peak experience dream could be a
more colorful dream, a dream with more pleasure, a dream with more
tactile sensations. It's one in which the quality of your dream
grows, visually, mentally, emotionally, aurally, kinesthetically.
That's why it's referred to as "expanded consciousness."
The special sense of reality and significance inherent in peak
experience dreams is quite distinct from the simple knowledge that
you are dreaming or have just had a dream. The dream means
something, as is, just by itself. The felt meaning is expansive,
not reductive. It is rich in significance, crammed to overflowing.
Maslow denied any supernatural or theocratic connection with the
peak experience. As a humanist, he insisted that they rise out of
human nature itself. Nor did he believe that peak experiences
meant spurning or repudiating or losing the individual self.
Rather, the end products were the development of greater autonomy
and the achievement of identity...a real sense of self. In peak
experiences, the complete self is more fully present. These
experiences seem more real because there is more of us to be
present to them.
The God experience and its spiritual cousins are common
destinations for the Hero's Journey. Unfortunately, a royalist on
this road tends to ignore and devalue the human experience. I've
concluded that the path that travels the width and breadth of
Maslow's Map is more holistic and mature than climbing a
hierarchical stepladder.
The Plateau Experience
Towards the end of his life, Maslow developed the notion of
Plateau Experience. He proposed that the true mark of a sage or
self-actualized person is not just the presence of intense moments
of joy or ecstasy. He finally understood that even people living
at the basic level of existence can have peak experiences in their
lifetimes. The great dream or insight can occur whatever your
average level of consciousness. No one level has a unilateral
claim to wisdom, enlightenment or practicality. Rather, he
realized that a self-actualized person could live an extended
period of serenity or vitality.
Furthermore, these plateau experiences could be achieved through
conscious, diligent effort. Maslow was developing exercises to
help individuals attain the plateau state of consciousness. Many
of them had to do with learning to perceive the world in a new
way.
Do your dreams bounce up and down, or do you tend to favor one end
of the scale or another? Maybe you hug the middle ground, never
reaching to the extremes. Consistent recording will reveal your
plateau of life, as no single dream entry could ever do. This is
why I strongly suggest you keep a dream journal, with all your
dreams gathered in one place for review.
In the end, self-actualization is not a momentary high. Our health
is determined by how we live and dream on a regular basis.
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The Stable Intense Lights of Lucid Dreaming
George Gillespie
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The Stable Intense Lights of Lucid Dreaming
The "lucidity" of lucid dreaming is usually intended to
refer to the comparatively greater mental ability of the lucid
dreamer over the ordinary dreamer or at least to the fact that in
a lucid dream, the dreamer is lucid enough to know that he or she
is dreaming (Gackenbach & Bosveld, 1989; Green, 1968; LaBerge,
1985). According to Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary,
"lucid" also means "suffused with light." As it happens, some
lucid dreamers find that experiences of light are also an
occasional characteristic of their lucid dreams.
Lucid dream imagery is occasionally experienced as very
bright (Gackenbach & Bosveld, 1989; Gillespie, 1987; Green, 1968).
At times, light appears as part of a lucid dream scene, such as by
appearing to come through a window, or by forming stars or a sun
(Garfield, 1979; Gillespie, 1987; Kelzer, 1987; Sparrow, 1976).
Light that plays a normal part in the scene remains integrated
with the rest of dream imagery creating a simulation of waking
perceptual experience. Normal light imagery moves across the
visual field in coordination with dreamed head movement.
In lucid dreams, there is another class of light
phenomena that does not behave like ordinary perceptual
experiences of light or like ordinary dream imagery. I call these
phenomena "stable intense lights" (Gillespie, 1989, 1992) and have
experienced them during
lucid dreaming at least 35 times and
possibly 41 times. I have not found elsewhere reports of such
lights. There is no clear immediate cause of these lights,
although often they appear within darkness after I lucidly close
my (dreamed) eyes.
Stable intense lights have been of five types: (a) a
limited area of light of no identifiable form surrounded by normal
dream imagery or by darkness; (b) a perfect disk of light
surrounded by darkness; (c) an intense light on the periphery of
vision with or without an accompanying visual scene; (d) a sunlike
light; or (e) a visual field full of intense vibrant light
normally including a sunlike light. This last one accompanies an
intense religious feeling. The area of light and disk of light
have the same surface appearance with their uniform whiteness and
may be compared to the intense brightness of a high-wattage
frosted white light bulb lit up in the dark. Peripheral light, the
sunlike light, and the fullness of light have the vibrant
intensity of the perceptual sun. I will give two examples:
I dreamed (May 9, 1982) that I was walking at night with
my wife, Charlotte. I explained to her that every night I leave
the world and go to a different place. I became aware of an
intense light that seemed to be in the left corner of my left eye.
I knew I was dreaming and remembered that seeing such a light does
not necessarily mean that I am waking upas I used to believe. I
said to Charlotte, to the effect, "This is a dream and I have to
experiment. Excuse me a minute." Then I kissed her on the cheek
and walked off to the right, to avoid the light. As I walked on,
however, the light remained as though in the corner of my left
eye. I could not turn away from it. As I walked, I could still see
the darkened scene in the rest of the visual field. This was the
peripheral form of light.
In another dream (May 19, 1983), I was in a tailoring
shop looking up at the walls and the high ceiling. I went into the
air to look more closely. Then I realized from my being in the air
that I was dreaming. I began spinning around and then noticed that
there was a sun above. Soon there was a cluster of six or seven
very bright sunlike lights. As I spun around in the air, all I saw
were the suns with a confusion of rays and light filling the
visual field. It was as though I floated in light. The suns
remained in a fixed spatial relationship with each other in spite
of my spinning and in a fixed location in front of my eyes. They
did not change or move as I studied them.
No matter what my movement may be within the dream, a
stable intense light remains in a fixed, scannable location before
me. I cannot put it out of sight. On two occasions, such a light
remained visible after I awakened and I could continue to scan it.
I found that the movement of my eyes upon awakening was in
continuity with my eye movement while dreaming and that the image
of light remained in a fixed location within the range of what I
call the visual surface. The limits of the visual surface are
determined by how far I can move my eyes without moving my head.
As I dream, then, the light remains in a fixed position within the
range of my eye movement. The light's location within the visual
field is changed by my scanning eye movement, but not by my
dreamed head or body movement. In the dreams in which I recorded
stable intense lights, I always noted that I had to move my eyes
to look toward them, not my head. The lights are thus in a fixed
spatial relationship with my eyes and thus with my sleeping body,
and not with anything in the dream.
The lights are thus not integrated with other dreamed
experienceneither with other visual imagery, if there is some,
nor with kinesthetic experience. They do not play a part in the
dream and often make no sense in the dream. The area of light
often seems like a gap in the visual environment. Sometimes I
understand the disk to be a moon, but it is often too large or too
small to be a moon, and it always appears in front of me rather
than up in the air. The sunlike light also is often the wrong size
to play the part of a sun.
Furthermore, unlike the usual perceptlike dream imagery,
stable intense lights often appear outside the limits of the
perceptual visual field. A stable intense light can appear where
in everyday experience the structure of the face would block light
from coming into the eyes. This is why peripheral light often
seems to be in the far corner of my left eye rather than to my
left. It is just a bit too far to the left to represent light that
can normally reach my eye. A sunlike light has appeared to be
above my eye rather than above my head, because it was slightly
too high in the visual field to appear to be perceptually visible.
And finally, the same type of stable intense light often appears
in different dreams at the same scannable location within the
visual surface. Peripheral light usually appears to the extreme
left, as though in the left corner of my left eye. A stable sun
has a tendency to appear very high slightly to the right. Areas of
light tend to appear on the left side of the visual surface, but
not near the periphery. In other words, certain areas of the
scannable visual surface seem to be prone to certain kinds of
light manifestations, regardless of what dream the light
interrupts or appears in.
Because these lights do not simulate perceptual experience and do
not play a part in the dream, I consider them to be other than
dream imagery. Since they are not dream imagery and I am still
asleep, they are, in a sense, "dreamless" imagery. In Tibetan
Buddhism, the subjective experiences of dreamless sleep are
described in terms of light and darkness (rather than, say, in
terms of body imagery) and are said to be achieved through
meditation during lucid dreaming (Chang, 1963; Gyatso, 1982). The
Tibetans, however, say nothing, at least that I have found, about
the lights having a fixed scannable position within the range of
one's eye movement.
The fact that stable intense lights are unrelated to the dream
imagery out of which they rise is consonant with the lucid
dreamer's (at least in my case) gradual detachment from dream
imagery. Normally, upon becoming lucid, I gain a sudden detached
attitude toward the images and events that till then called for my
attention. My lucid dreams also tend to become less busy, less
complicated, and less demanding than my ordinary dreams,
particularly when I become less active. When I stop to think or
plan what to do, action within the visual scene also stops. I
often end up in the air, and when I do, there is usually no longer
any tactile or visual imagery. And imagery once gone does not tend
to return. If I then direct my attention to the empty visual
field, I will also begin to lose awareness of body imagery, and on
two occasions I have lost all body experience.
Not all of my lucid dreams become progressively free of imagery,
but many do. And not all that do include stable intense lights.
But when there are stable intense lights, their appearance always
fits into the gradual decrease in dream imagery that has come
about either spontaneously or through my action in the dream.
My own observations of stable intense lights could use
confirmation through precise observations by other lucid dreamers.
Others may have observed what I call stable intense lights, but it
is impossible to tell from any accounts that I have read whether
any lights have in fact had a fixed location within the range of
the movement of the eyes.
References
Chang, G. C. C. (Ed. and Trans.). (1963). Teachings of Tibetan
yoga. Secaucus, NJ: Citadel Press.
Gackenbach, J., & Bosveld, J. (1989). Control your dreams. New
York: Harper & Row.
Garfield, P. (1979). Pathway to ecstasy: The way of the dream
mandala. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston.
Gillespie, G. (1987). Dream light: Categories of visual experience
during lucid dreaming. Lucidity Letter, 6(1), 73-79.
Gillespie, G. (1989). Lights and lattices and where they are seen.
Perceptual and Motor Skills, 68, 487-504.
Gillespie, G. (1992). Light in lucid dreams: A review. Dreaming,
2, 167-179.
Green, C. E. (1968). Lucid dreams. Oxford, U. K.: Institute of
Psychophysical Research.
Gyatso, G. K. (1982). Clear light of bliss: Mahamudra in Vajrayana
Buddhism. London: Wisdom.
Kelzer, K. (1987). The sun and the shadow: My experiment with
lucid dreaming. Virginia Beach, VA: A. R. E.
LaBerge, S. (1985). Lucid dreaming. Los Angeles: Jeremy P.
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Sparrow, G. S. (1976). Lucid dreaming: Dawning of the clear light.
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George Gillespie, M.A., B.D., was for twenty years a missionary in
India. He has been a graduate student in Sanskrit and a member of
the Lucidity Association Steering Committee. He writes on the
phenomenology of hypnopompic, dream, mystical and perceptual
visual experience.
E-mail: geochar58@aol.com
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Computer Dreams
Digital Dreaming Series #8: DATA : Selected Dream entries from
April 2001 to June 2001 and Uses of Computer Dreams as Personal
and Cultural Meaning Maps.
By Richard Catlett Wilkerson
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As we begin dreaming more about computers and other digital
machines, we dream less of other machines, and less of other
objects. This study was started to look into what kinds of imagery
that are being replaced, (horses and buggies, T.V. ect) what they
are representing, and how computer imagery is functioning in and
through our dreams.
But there are also uses of computer dreams.
Michael Vannoy Adams notes in the 1997 Clinical Social Work
Journal that the computer as a metaphor shows up in dreams and in
the clinical transference.(1) Many of the issues that the
therapist might watch for in the transference and counter-
transference appear in the paradigm of computers and computing,
including computer instructors as the analyst, the frustration of
learning computers as a way to explore the frustration of therapy,
the inability to absorb new computer tasks as the inability
assimilate new feelings or new consciousness in the analytic
encounter. The relation to the computer as a whole can be a way
to explore the patient's resistance to therapy as a whole or even
one's attitude towards life. Adams sites a positive example:
"
the patient mentioned that she had ordered a computer. The
computer, she said, represented an investment in her future, a
commitment to it. " (pg. 31).
But the same patient reports that computers sometimes eat up her
graphic projects and the instructor doesn't know why. Adams notes:
"Although the patient is invested in and committed to the
project, she is concerned about her psychic aptitude for it. The
craziness of her computer frustrates her creative efforts to
design images that would graphically depict her psychic reality.
Neither she nor her instructor (by transference, her therapist)
can explain why her computer is unable to retain or retrieve these
images, which are devoured and swallowed, lost in some apparently
inaccessible, digital dimension that functions remarkably like the
unconscious. " (pg. 31)
While Adam's main point is that we needn't buy into the psyche-as-
computer metaphor to understand how the mind is using computers
metaphorically, his examples open the door for therapists,
dreamworkers and others interested in how the mind processes and
works with digital objects to begin exploring the machinic phylum
of metaphors.
Patricia Garfield, Ph. D. has picked up on this notion of the
importance of machines in dreams and included machines and how we
relate to them in dreams as one of her 12 major sections of
Universal Dreams. (2) Section 9 on Machine dreams includes not
only a focus on "My Computer Won't Work" (pg. 202) but also
delineates machine malfunctions into categories such as
9.2.1.1"Hardware Problems", 9.2.1.2 "Software Problems" and
9.2.1.3 "Internet or Virtual Reality Problems."
As Garfield points out, while we can assign typical machine
interpretations to these digital machines, such as poor
connections equaling not connecting with the communication parts
of life, (phone goes dead while talking to a boyfriend as there
being some lack of connection in the relationship) she further
notes that the digital metaphors are still open to being worked
out by future researchers. Do dreams about hardware refer to our
body, while dreams about software refer to the more malleable mind
and habits? Or is it like Adams suggests, that the metaphorical
map will have to be worked out for each individual?
More than likely, both directions will yield maps that can be used
in profound ways. Understanding the collective meanings for
metaphors helps us to use them for communication between
individuals and groups. We can talk to one another about large
concepts, such as digital or virtual, by sharing a similar
sentiment about the many meanings of these terms, but also the
general underlying common understanding. These may be actual
people and groups, or inner people and groups of our psyche. On
the other hand, the development of metaphorical maps that are more
personal allow us to align ourselves with new, emerging metaphors
that can then be applied to either one's own life or shared in the
development of culture in general. Both personal and collective
maps merge in the research and interpretation of dreams.
Citations
1. Adams, Michael Vannoy (1997). Metaphors in Psychoanalytic
Theory and Therapy. Clinical Social Work Journal. 25(1), 27-39.
2. Garfield, Patricia (2001). The Universal Dream Key: The 12
Most Common Dream Themes Around the World. New York, NY: Cliff
Street Books/Harper Collins.
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Computer Dream Data from April 2001 to June 2001
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Dreamers Computer Dream = dreamt that my friend from 8th grade
fell for me... we chat all the time... he typed "i love u"... and
i felt the screen suck me in...
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Dream Title = dreams are not reality
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Dream date = couple nights ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting in front of the computer
looking at the screen and seeing flashes of bright yellow, orange
and purple move across the screen. I was communicating with dead
people who were using the computer as a means to communicate with
me. In real life they are not dead. I was frustrated because 2
people were trying to send messages at the same time and I could
only read one message at a time.
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Dream Title = multicoloured computer communications
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Dream date = this morning april 29, 2001
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Dreamers name = Nord
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Last night I had a dream and in the end
of it I was trying to find someone, using the computer. Strange
massages kept coming up on the monitor and wierd icons and
pictures too. I never did find the person, nor do I know who it
was that I was looking for. All I know is it was a male who was
in my dream earlier on. I am actually really frustrated by this
dream, because I have no idea what was going on, really. But at
any rate, the computer basically refused to help me find who I was
looking for, and my sister appeared next, saying she wasn't going
to tell me how to find him. Go figure...
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Dream Title = The Paegan Ritual, Whiffleball Game and Deadend
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Dream date = last night
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Dreamers name = Ladibug
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Even though I use the puter every day
for hours the only time puters are in my dreams is as a starting
point for the dream. I'm sitting at the pc then something happens
and the dream proper begins.
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Dream Title = PC as Starting Point
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Dream date = a lot
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = talking to a fax machine while typing on
the computyer to my b\f
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Dream Title = FAx machine
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Dream date = yesterday
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Dreamers name = hilary
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i wake up and go to the computer.i get
on Yahoo?! Chat i talk to my friend and we confess our love to
each other the emotions were flowing and we were typing in
different colors.
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Dream Title = net love
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Dream date = January 29
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream about being in the middle
of a computer program. There was tons of code all around me and I
couldn't get out.
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Dream Title = computer program
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Dream date = last week
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i was awakened in a dream....and i tried
to recollect what it was....it turned out to be that iw as
dreaming about a man ( a friend really)who was sitting inside my
mail box and talking to me when suddenly he was crushed as if u
crush a paper and he was sucked into the screen....and as he went
he waved saying bye bye...
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Dream Title = friend in inbox
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Dream date = last saturday
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Dreamers name = beavis
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting in a gigantic room and
Typing on the internet with a guy named Christian. We meet
somewhere and instantly fell in love and got married.
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Dream Title = Christian
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Dream date = Febuary 7,2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = dreams related to faulty components
network bottelnecks puzzeled connections of hubs and switches , a
fatal error slow network trying to solve any problem
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Dream Title = shiva's dreams
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Dream date = at night while sleeping
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was completely alone. almost floating
in a darkness, but, eventhough I was suspended without touching
anything, me and everything around me was entirely motionless.
(Even though it was dark, I could see silhouettes) Then a sudden
glow, ir reminded me of electricity, the color, the sound,
everything about it, except that it lingered longer than a spark
or current would. I started to feel a surge of energy just (for
lack of a better word) rip through me. It was, at first, a shock
of pain, but then it just subsided into a tingling, not pleasant,
but, in no way unbearable. (all this happened in a matter of
seconds, but it was shocking detail. I never had dreams that i
remember so well, so this seems like it had real significance.)
When the pain subsided, I realized that my eyes were closed tight,
to the point that the eyelids hurt. I opened them and saw the
circuitry of a computer, exactly as you would picture it. I
flowing slowly through the circuits, a part of the electrical
current. There was a low humming, it sounded like the flow of
power, but much more distant than if I were a part of it. The area
directly surrounding me was contained in a hazy reality,
completely silent. I didn't (emotionally) feel anything, but an
acceptance, as if it were my fate to waste away at the finger tips
of some chatroom obsessed, forty year old, three-hundred pound,
pedophile. (yes, this is what I was thinking, although that was
probably a conscious thought of myself more than of this apathy) I
was swept out, into a large band of energy. It was a bright green,
glowing, in streaks cluttering the entire area. There seemed to be
a black background, making it feel like a tube/tunnel that I was
flowing through. The color put me in the mind of the old
computers, with only I could feel electricity (kinda like static
on bedsheets) all around me, and I also felt a "wind" so I thought
I was moving so quickly through this place. There was absolutely
no sense of time passed, but soon I was floating, free of the flow
in a "pool" of energy. The darkness burst away from itself, and
what was left was bright, silver, gold, and pastel lights. The
lights swam through, around each other, mixing, colors shifting,
the radiance reflecting off of me as I was now more than a
conscious existence. I had taken on human form; looked like myself
now, fully clothed although I couldn't feel the normal weight of
the t-shirt or loose jeans. I was standing, solid on the ground,
because I remember the pressure on my legs. It felt as if gravity
were twice the average. The area I was in was spherical in shape,
an invisible floor, which I couldn't actually feel under my feet,
cut the sphere in half. A dark spot fromed on the iridescent dome
across from me and another person that I didn't know (again, for
lack of a better word)materialized across from me. I can't
remember anything of what she looked like, just that she had no
distinguishable facial features, but clearly the figure of a woman
I didn't know what I was saying, but I was talking to her. That
was the first time I became aware of an "umbilical chord" of
energy, the same glowing green from before, attached to my spine.
She had her back to me, so I couldn't see if she had one, but more
people were "materializing" in the sphere. Every one who's back
was exposed to me had one. We were all talking, but no one seemed
to care- no one spoke with any expression, no movement, no
enthusiasm. It took me awhile to comprehend, but eventually, I
caught a few words on my own. The ones who spoke most often used a
lot of chat-room abbreviations in their speech. Was this what a
chatroom was?
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As soon as I had reached the realization, I drifted into a deeper
sleep-didn't actually wake up, but just slept for awhile, and
through another (unrelated) dream. I was supposed to remember that
dream, but I have no idea why.
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Dream Title = Chatroom Core
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Dream date = A friday night, nothing had happened unusual except
for a deep sppiritual discussion online.
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Dreamers name = Venerated Mendacity
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i had a dream that mice and rabbits were
coming out of the computer screen.Later babies came out of it by
the hundreds.I made friends with one of the mice adn carried it
everywhere.Than one moring i found one of the babies on my ironing
board and i forgot all about the mouse. Later i found out that the
baby who was on my ironing board was missing and i had to give it
back so i lost in her in the grocery store instead/
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Dream Title = ironing board baby
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Dream date = MAY 2001
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Dreamers name = Mere
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Dreamers Computer Dream = It's a short dream. or several dreams.
When I first started taking graphic design courses on comuters, I
would go home at night and dream small dreams of computers with
colorful flowers growing out of them.
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Dream Title = Flowering computers
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Dream date = three years ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Dreamt I got sucked through my monitor
and was actually in a chat room where everyone in there wore greet
jump suits and carried torches with blue flames.
They all came at me, and I ran to the corner and sat on the floor.
All they wanted was to give me a torch, but as it turned out, as
soon as I touched the torch, I suddenly had on a green jumpsuit
too.
The mother ship was on its way, and we all had to be prepared for
that last final journey through cyber space. When the mother ship
approached, it had a big sign on the back that said "AOL and
Budwiser - goes good together" Imagine my surprise when the
GoodYear Blimp flew over the chat room.
By the way - chat rooms don't have ceilings it seems, at least not
in my dreams.
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Dream Title = Blue Torches and Budweiser
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Dream date = Friday
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Dreamers name = Guenevere
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream where I had sex with a
robot. Not actually a robot, I guess, but a creature made of metal
wire and painted knobs. In my dream, I was a virgin and I was with
my friends in a room. They thought that I wasn't a virgin, though
they all were, and I was being wild and talking about having sex.
I think someone dared me, and then went to get someone for me to
do it with. The creature was very nice and I seemed to know him.
"He" was shaped like a ball, made of wires, with balls painted
yellow, red, and blue as appendages. I saw that my own sexual
organs were brightly colored. This creature had a wire coming out
of its crotch with a red ball on the end of it , a penis. I sat on
top of him and we were both pretty comfortable. He whispered to
me,"Do you know how to do this?", and I replied,"No, Don't you?"
Then we started and seemed to know by instinct. This part of the
dream was very lucid. I actually felt everything, including the
orgasm, which w!
as very short. I remember at first worrying about whether I
looked experienced to my friends, who were watching, but I
eventually forgot about them. I never remember my dreams, but at
the end of the orgasm in this dream, I woke up and remembered
everything very clearly. It all seemed very real, and I was in a
sweat when I woke up, though it was a cold night. I am very
puzzled at the realness of this dream, and wonder at its meaning.
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Dream Title = Robot Sex
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Dream date = may 11, 2001
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Dreamers name = K
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that a gigantic computer
ate me while i was at work and then when my boss came looking for
me the computer threw me up. While i was inside the computer it
was dark and all i kept hearing was that dial up sound that the
make....It was constantly making that sound. It was really weird.
When my boss found me he asked me where i had been and why my
computer was in the floor all i would tell him was i didn't
know...I knew he would never believe that my computer had just
eaten me. Then I woke up
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Dream Title = Little Cubical of Horrors
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Dream date = Around
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = a computer virus came on my screen and
my conputer blew up and killed me
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Dream Title = computer viris
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Dream date = 4 weeks ago
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Dreamers name = jocky48
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Before we moved to Ft. Lauderdale,
while still living in Baltimore, I had several computer dreams
though none were lucid nor lasting; mostly dealt with commonplace
problem solving which I interpreted as being reflective of my
newness in computer usage.
I have not had these dreams recently;
not that I have become more proficient with my computer; perhaps
more familiar, less intimidated or frightened.
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Dream Title =
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Dream date =
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i found a dog that looked exactly like
mine only it mouth was that of a pug. then there was a younger
lion(it was an amazing gold color; beautiful!) that had half of a
main and he was standing in my dogs bed. it was a beautiful night
and the garage door and front door was open. i remember beaing
afraid of something, but i don't remember what, exactly. we got
the look-alike dog from a stranger at the front door, he was nice.
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Dream Title = Lion
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Dream date = 2 or 3 nights ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i found a dog that looked exactly like
mine only it mouth was that of a pug. then there was a younger
lion(it was an amizing gold color; beautiful!) that had half of a
main and he was standing in my dogs bed. it was a beautiful night
and the garage door and front door was open. i remember beaing
afraid of something, but i don't remember what, exactly. we got
the look-alike dog from a stranger at the front door, he was nice.
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Dream Title = Lion
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Dream date = 2 or 3 nights ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I'm chating to someone on line
noone I know, or recall to chating to before I'm upset
by this wake up feeling I have to get online right away
and wake up talking to myself I'm in a hurry to get on
line to see what's going on their like I'm missing out
something lol
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Dream Title = Computer Friends
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Dream date = about three months ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I often have dreams involving people
contacting over the internet using some form of Instant Messaging.
I am sitting at a computer, it's not mine, but I recognize it. The
people talking to me express great urgency, and the basic emotion
I am feeling is that something has to be done right away. Though I
rarely remember what the messages say, I always awake with the
need to fulfill something.
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Dream Title = Urgent Messages
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Dream date = Many times, a few weeks ago is the most recent.
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Dreamers name = Vacant
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting at my computer chatting on
chathouse (www2.chathouse.com/halloween).
Like I always do. Having a conversation with a friend of mine who
I have gotten to know somewhat well in the last 6 years. His name
was Warlock. Another one of my named Rob came in and they both
started to talk to me I got Frustrated cause I couldn't keep up
With them in the room and started to log out when the screen being
to type in java scrip instead of how it usually works click the
button then the next screen comes up type of thing I didn't know
what to do so I stayed logged in and then typed to Warlock and
told him that my screen was doing something funny in his pm.
He replied and said, what do you mean?
I said, my screen is working in java scrip instead of what how it
usually works.
He said, Oh well I thought all of our computers we're working like
that.
I said, no no this is not right.
He changed the topic on me and said, look behind you.
I said, why? It's not like you are right behind me or anything.
He said, *L* I know but look behind you anyway.
I said, Oh right but I don't know why I'm doing this.
I replied to him again and said there is nothing there ok so now
can you help me out any?
He said, you didn't look behind you now did you?
I said, no like there is going to be anything behind me though
scene you are so far away and and live in a different state across
the country.
He said, just look behind you already.
When I looked behind me there was something outside that looked
like fire from where I was at. I went to the window and looked out
there was nothing but flames all over the place. There was a lot
of houses on fire and heading towards my house.
I went back to the computer really fast and said, Oh my got Scott
there is fire all over the place here.
Warlock replied, yes I know you may want to get out of there right
now I think.
I said, Yes I know what you mean.
I started to log out but then paused.
I sent another message to him and said, Waite how did you know
there was a fire behind me?
He replied to the first message and said I love you be careful.
The he said cause I live right beside of you.
I replied to him and said, I love you too but you don't live right
beside of me.
Warlock Said, yes I know but doesn't matter anymore always, now
dose it?
I felt someone's hand touch my back as I jumped and started to
turn around I heard a voice saying what the computer had just
wrote. The computer wrote don't turn around, you never know what
is behind you. It could be a killer or it could be me.
I started to wonder if I should turn around or not. The computer
and the person behind me said I wouldn't move if I was you innless
you are going to turn around to kiss me.
I started to get freaked out as I started to turn around to see
that there was a man who looked like Scott with a head set on
talking in a mic holding on to my shoulder looking down at me.
Warlock sent a message to me and said are you still there?
I looked up at the guy behind me and said who are you?
He said, Don't be scared I'm with the army I was sent here to take
everyone out of this area.
I didn't know what to say I started to get scared even more I
grabbed a hold of his arm and flipped him I started to run out of
the room as he grabbed a hold of me again but he didn't get me in
time as some guy tripped me. I fell to the ground and felt like
someone hand just punched me. There were some more army guys in my
house and they all started to live after the guy behind me picked
me up and started out the door. The guy who had his hand on my
shoulder, who now had started to carry me out the door said, If
you want to know what is going on Scott, otherwise known as Scott
Picrce to us told us to get you out of here and take you to his
house, before the fire got to wild. Sorry we have to do this but
it's for your own good.
He stuck me in the back of the army truck and they drove me off as
I started to go to sleep.
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Dream Title = The computer nightmare
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Dream date = Dec. 26, 1999
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Dreamers name = DreamerGina
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed that i was in need of a
computer disk, so i traveled to france to visit the home of a
family who my french teacher knew. The house was blue and white
and there were many trees nearby. They were not pine trees, but
other sorts. The house was one story, and I could speak perfect
french. The family was a mother, who had reddish-brown hair and
was wearing a blue and white striped t-shirt, and glasses. The
father was older, and I cannot remember much about him. The
daughter was named Pauline, and had lighter brown hair, and was
about 7. The house had a wooden porch.
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Dream Title = French Disk Dream
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Dream date = Early this morning (May 21, 2000)
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Dreamers name = Garcon
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamt that I pulled the delete key
off of my keyboard and walked around
my house deleting things. I stuck the key onto small household
objects and pressed it to make them disappear.
It was fun. I deleted some doors,chairs, vases, and also a big
glass deleted the wall I lost my delete key and then I found a big
plastic airplane and went flying around in it.. (end)
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Dream Title = my spiffy delete key
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Dream date = about 5 years ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I KEEP HAVING A DREAM THAT MY BACK TEETH
ARE FALLING OUT ONLY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF MY MOUTH. WHILE WORKING
ON MY COMPUTER.
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Dream Title = LOOSE TEETH
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Dream date = LAST NIGHT AND AFEW TIMES BEFORE
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Dreamers name = CAT
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream once that I was talking
online to my significant other. They are far away for right now.
And I remember not being able to communicate clearly to them
because my computer was so slow. And I kept missing messages and
getting answers mixed up.
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Dream Title = Online Mayheim
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Dream date = a year ago
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I often see in, a dream or hypnogogic
state, information scrolling along the screen. Not much detail,
more like a replay of waking time spent staring at the screen.
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Dream Title = Scrolling
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Dream date = occasionally
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I am working on the computer using
programms and future software.
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Dream Title = I'm working all the time
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Dream date = May 2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i controlled the "matrix"
i read the anatimy of my own human body on a moniter shaped like a
trilibyte/spiney creture
i jumped inside a television and became its anatimy
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Dream Title = life on file
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Dream date = augest 2000
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Dreamers name = marz
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting on the floor in my
classroom under the desk while everyone else was above me sitting
in their chairs paying attention to the instructor. I was in a
heavy shadow from my point of view, I know for certain that the
instructor was lecturing on trouble-shooting the hardware of the
computer. I felt that one was aware or bothered at my being under
the desk. I remember trying to pay attention to the instructors
fuzzy voice.
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Dream Title = underneath the voice of the computer
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Dream date = november 00
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I've programmed a revolutionary new tool
for object oriented programming which is basically a utility for
converting pseudo code typed into the program directly into Java
code in realtime. I am mostly impressed by the user interface, a
dynamic and fluid animation of abstract graphical drawers.
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Dream Title = Pseudo Code Programming
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Dream date = 2/22/01
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Dreamers name = stash
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Dreamers Computer Dream = In the near future, humanity has
discarded the slow, data-blind biological body for the immortal
photon-bodies of digitally conscious human being emulators.
After the practice of connecting every newly manufactured object
to the world-spanning information network became standard and
after digital connections were at last made with the remaining
"legacy matter" (including the human brain), cyberspace inevitably
surpassed phyical reality in information density. In what was
later called "The Six Minute Revolution", every paradigm in the
human system suddenly shifted drastically to the left.
I and my associates live on a virtual island in a virtual sea. We
travel around a room by pointing in that direction. We travel
around the planet by pointing in that direction. I remember a few
melodramatic scenes: being trapped underground in the island with
my friend and waiting for someone to free us. A man's son returns
home after a long falling out in the family. When he suddenly
appears from the sky, he and his brother get in a fistfight having
not recognized each other. After some tense words with the father,
the son introduces his wife and children. I beam myself elsewhere
and find myself in front of a large museum-like building. I enter
the dark interior.
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Dream Title = Digital Domain
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Dream date = 5/4/01
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Dreamers name = stash
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Some dreams per month I play computer
strategy games. Games like Age Of Empires or Red Alert but with
totally fictionary world. With everyday life happenings vowen into
them.
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Dream Title = Game of Strategy
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Dream date = Every month
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Dreamers name = theultimatenickname
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Dreamers Computer Dream = June 8, 2001
A dream:
It is night.I am sitting (in a street) ,on the ground and in front
of the door of an educational institution.I have a briefcase and
some kind of a labtop computer and I am searching on the Net
.
Now I am in the building (in a corridore)sitting behind the door
of a room which I know is a girls' class.I look at the screen and
I see a list of newsgroups .Then they suggest me that I choose a
name in order to start my own group.I choose the name " hopelessly
confused" ,(I have no reason for choosing this strange name unless
I have heard it recently in Walter Mondale's quotation : "If you
are sure you understand everything that is going on ,you are
hopelessly confused ").
The class is over .Suddenly the door opens and the girls rush out
of the class.
I have to go away from my current location while I am trying to
disconnect and turn off my computer.The briefcase in one hand,the
computer in the other and trying to turn it off,I have a
ridiculous position.Eventually,I succeed and I am relieved.I look
up and I see girls and women smiling at me kindly as they go
towards the exit door of the building.I am now trying to get out
.A lady(about 40) says to me with a smile : " you go
first,please."
Embarrased,I refuse to go out through the door before she does.
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Dream Title = hopelessly confused
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Dream date = June 8,2001
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Dreamers name = Ramteen
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting in front of my computer,
about 8 months ago. And i told my now ex-girlfriend, on msn
instant messenger, how i felt about her. I took my dream
seriously, and for 7 months, i had the greatest time of my life
because of that dream.
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Dream Title = My Love
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Dream date = August 2000
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Dreamers name = sLydE
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Dreamers Computer Dream = One dream I can recall having
was...this.
I was sitting at work trying to get some items done that I hadn't
been able to complete. I was under a big deadline and alot of
stress. I kept seeing this project over and over during the
night. There wasn't anyone around me. Just me sitting in my cube
trying to complete my project.
Needless to say I was very stressed waking up the next morning.
But otherwise, I really don't dream about computers.
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Dream Title = job is never done!!
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Dream date = March 2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I once had a nocturnal emmison where i
was like, having sex with this chick online, only she was my
computer, it sounds wierd, buit it was perfectly normal
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Dream Title = PCWETDREAM
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Dream date = Home
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I often dream of the possible moves in a
checker game often played by me with the computer as my opponent.
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Dream Title = Computer checkers
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Dream date = Frequently during May, 2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Suddenly i was in the middle of a battle
champ, an orchist song was playing in whole the ambient, y flow
everywhere and was seeing a great battle between all the
characters in a computer like the arrow mouse, or keys, or
buttons, numbers, the prompt pf DOS, Duke Nukem, elves from
Warcraft 2, dwavens from Blood & Magic, all the weapons of comand
& Conquer, icons of windows, all pictures from the wallpapers.
There wasn´t blood, just a too much dots leaving those characters
when were klumped by an axe or cutted of by the half by a shoot.
The caos was abrumator, the noise was so high. Everything was on
vivid color no numbness or something like that, the keys and
symbols was being diminished and a wave of their rests formed a
great black sinuous mountain swallowing all and a quake shaked to
me and again the noise.
so I woke up.
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Dream Title = The battle
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Dream date = on March 24 from 1995
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Dreamers name = Qazar
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I HAVE HAD A COUPLE DREAMS ABOUT BEING
AT MY COMPUTER OR WITH PEOPLE I KNOW OFF THE INTERNET BUT THIS ONE
I LIKED ALOT BECAUSE IT WAS SO CRAZY...i was talking to a couple
friends on the internt i was at my house in my den where i
normally was and it started when 5 dogs came chashing a cat
through there nut i didnt pay any attention to it it was more like
i was watching tv of me at a comp and all this other stuff going
on there was a car driven through the wall and by the end of the
dream the house was on fire thats how it ended like the fire took
it away but i never once moved
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Dream Title = NO I AM NOT ADDICTED TO THE COMPUTER!!!!
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Dream date = gosh maybe 8 months ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that i was chatting on the
computer with the guy i like, on MSN Messanger, and he didn't know
who i was, the computer was the kind we have at my school, smaller
monitor, the color of the typing was simple black and white, and i
was in a corner
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Dream Title = TMSN
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Dream date = 06-17-01
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Dreamers name = Sayasha
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Dreamers Computer Dream = The first recollection of my dream that
I have was waking up in my room. I felt awake, and everything
seemed normal to me. So I went down to my computer such as I
normally do every morning to check my email. I went down stairs,
turned on my computer and then turned on my monitor. Everything
was acting as if it was a normal day and nothing was wrong. Except
for one thing my computer screen was only black. This disturbed me
so I checked the connections with the computer to make sure
everything was plugged in. Everything was, then I looked at the
screen and in a blink of a eye the screen had the setting of my
friends apartment. It was as if I was watching a DVD. It was quite
peculiar to me so I sat their and watched the screen to see what
was going on. All my friends were there and even I was their. We
were all interacting with each other as we normally do. Yet, as
things progressed people started to get angry with me. For things
that I had said, or act!
ions I had done. People were making signs on the walls of nates
rooms of all the bad things that I had done in life to them and to
my self. I started to get scared, yet I couldn't bring myself away
from the computer screen. A girl that I really liked and who I
thought was a good friend of mine was the worst towards me. She
just couldn't handle the site of me being there. So she and her
friends left. Leaving just four of my closest friends. We sat
there and smoked cigarettes and talked, they tried comforting
me,yet no words that they spoke made me feel any better. I managed
to finally tear myself away from the computer screen and go back
upstairs to bed. I fell to my bed and woke up. the strange thing
is that most of the incidents that were described to me in my
dream occurred two days later.
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Dream Title = Premonitions form thy computer screen
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Dream date = 2 weeks ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = The generation of radio waves, and
various other magnetic or ultrasonic waves that, when manipulaed
by the mind, manifested whatever the mind was focused on at the
time. This new found ability in neurologic manipulation had made
the computer hardward/software, and anything technological
obsolete. Phones were not even needed, for the waves carried
through telephone lines could now be manipulated through mere
concentration.
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Dream Title = The Awakening
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Dream date = Recently
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I'm sitting in front of a computer,
while in my little office cubicle, that has windows popping up
everywhere and I'm not touching a thing. Then the computer
violently crashes and a skull appears on the screen telling me my
computer just died. The orange and black tiger-striped monitor
suddenly fizzles and a stream of smoke comes out then it explodes
in a ray of light and flying pieces of monitor. I panic thinking
my boss is going to kill me and race out of work.
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Dream Title = Work related
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Dream date = about once a week
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Dreamers name = Tiger Rain
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a few "pre-dream" dreams where I
would see a screen like my computer screen. The first one I recall
having was of a little box popping up in the bottom right corner.
One the MSN messenger I use, this signifies someone has logged in.
I remember seeing the name very clearly, it was "AFFECTION
AFFLICTION" in all caps exactly like that. the box said,
"AFFECTION AFFLICTION has signed in". I thought it was very odd,
mainly since I have never been able to actually *read* anything in
my dreams at all. It didn't seem as though I was in the little
snippet of the dream at all, it seemed as though my mind was the
monitor.
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Dream Title = MSN messenger Screen name.
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Dream date = In the midday.
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Dreamers name = Puzzledmind
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I often have dreams that are game-
related. The odd thing is that I have these dreams when I haven't
played any games for a while. When I program a bit too much I
would also have dreams in which I would program. A lot of the
times I wake up with solutions for problems concerning the program
that I was working on.One dream that I had I was in a multiplayer
game and while I was playing I thought of going somewhere else.
All of a sudden I was picked up and flew through the air. The next
moment I entered my room and flew into my body and woke up.
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Dream Title = The game
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Dream date = 28 June 2001
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I play a MUD called Gemstone 3 online.
Sometimes I would play all day withount sleeping. When I finaly
got to bed, I would dream in text.
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Dream Title = TEXT DREAM
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Dream date = about 3 months ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = My boyfriend kept stealing my fax and
copy machines. I couldn't get any work done. Everytime I would
start to send or copy a page he would take them away. As soon as
I would turn to get another page from the file I was working on,
they would disappear.
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Dream Title = Stolen Work
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Dream date = February 2001
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Dreamers name = Desolate Angel
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreampt that I was in the shopping
center outside Earth Dreamer a shop that sells crystals and
alternative clothes, and products, and I was talking to a friend
of mine,(who is also my cousin and is on icq chat) but when we
talked it came out typed in the air between us.
Although it was weird to see it, my friend replied to me in the
same way and it was like we where talking normally.
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Dream Title = Type Talking
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Dream date = June, the 6th, 2001
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Dreamers name = Shadow Stalker
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Dreamers Computer Dream = WEll, I stood in front of a computer.
I was there and a 14 year old.
A really good game or simulation was going on.
I thought that the resolution of the screen was quite fine. First
I though it was a commodore 64 but the resolution was too fine for
that.
On the screen I could slso see what was running at the moment.
The possibilitues were c64,x128, s8
Finally, S8 was on.
S8 must be an abbreviation of super 8.
It was a very high quality simulation.
So high that I was part of it.
As if it were the reality itself,
I was flying with a fighter.
We were hit and we ended up in a dangerous , radioactive area.
My father was also there and we together tilted radiactive
containers.
The fluid was coming on in the forest of pine trees.
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Dream Title =
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Dream date =
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Dreamers name = VirtualRealityMaker
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I keeo having dreams about problems ive
been having with my computer and then in my dreams i get told how
to fix them and it works
thats happened more than once and its pretty trippy
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Dream Title = Dreaming Fixer
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Dream date = 2001
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Dreamers name = Jeramiah
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Dreamers Computer Dream = More than once I have had dreams about
computers. Nothing fancy, just ordinary gray ones. I am usually in
a computer class, in a big room with other people and computers.
So what always happens is: I'm working on the computer, and
suddenly, it won't let me do anything. It has a mind of its own
and only gives me a select few choices of what it will allow me to
do. The screen is colorful, with blues are greens in solid colors.
The screen is mostly colors with a few word, and maybe a few
little pictures, and one or two windows that popped up. Now if
this happened in real life, I would be scared half to death. But
in my dreams, I'm not scared. I think it's a little strange, but
don't think much of it.
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Dream Title = Scary
Computers
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Dream date = A month or two ago
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Dreamers name = yappy672
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I've had many computer dreams, based
mainly on computer games. I'm an avid computer gamer, and play
Starcraft, BLack and White, Tribes 2,and will play very much
Warcraft 3 and Neverwinter Nights, when they come out.
In the star/warcraft dreams, usually when i goto sleep at 7 in the
morning after playing the game (multiplayer or single) the whole
night, I dream from the standpoint of the strategy game (eagles
eye), and watch battles and attacks going through, never usually
the process of building or mining resources. I've had starcraft
dreams where i subconciously control the units moving in a
direction, into battle, in where they cast spells and attack like
they normally do. It feels like i am watching, but i know i
control the people. i always am playing the race Terran (the
humans), rather than the other races Zerg and Protoss, which i
play a lot too. i am guessing because the terrans are a lot easier
to relate to =/. The colors are dark, and seem related to earth
colors, deep browns, greens, rich blues, and earthy metallic
colors for the vehicles. it looks really like a mix of camo
colors. The units are various that are moving, and most of the
time are not too specific in my brain, but!
they move fast and attack well, like each unit is controlling
itself with nice AI (wish it was like that in the game), but it
seems more like they are intelligent, and an actual force that
controls itself. The battles end up usually with me conquering
"them" who i dont know who they are, and that is all i can
remember of those dreams. The emotive qualities of the dream i
guess can be described as quick, methodical, practices feelings,
like doing a process that u have repeatedly done, and now do not
need to think of the work to do it, and can zoom past any
competition. The battles are not confusing and hasty, as teh game
can seem, but quick, and strong, like each unit is superpowered. I
dont feel angry, or confused in these dreams, i feel more
emotionless than anything.
other dreams i have regarding computer games are ones from black
and white, where u play a god, with the power to perform miracles,
and the point is to gain belief from other villages and be the
most powerful deity in the land. in the dreams, i have the power
to cast the miracles, which makes me feel very powerful, very
godly, and almost like a wizard. All i have to do to cast the
miracle, one dream i made a fireball, is to think hard of the
miracle, and then i automatically say the miracle, like "Miracle
of Fire!" and then i can throw the fireball. In the dream i am a
person, not a hand of a god (which u are in the game), but given a
few powers. I've had two of those dreams, and both were very fun.
The colors are not to particular in those dreams, but the emotions
of emotions of power, and energy.
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Dream Title = Starcraft and BnW
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Dream date = In my room, where my bed is on the floor.
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Dreamers name = Amperice
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was searching the web. Everywhere.
This was as I was being diagnosed with MS and trying to learn what
I could about my illness. I was trying to learn what
treatment/alternative.
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Dream Title = Endless roads
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Dream date = 1997 (about)
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Dreamers name = Nola
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Last night I had a dream that I was on
icq (a chat thingy) and I didn't want someone to know I was
online, and the mouse and window stuffed up and wouldn't let me go
onto invisable. There was also a large black and white window on
the screen.
I felt frustrated, and mad.
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Dream Title = ICQ annoyance.
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Dream date = 7/20/01
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Dreamers name = Grrrrrrrrrrrr
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I'am playing a game on my computer with
my family called myst( i used to play with them all the time it
was scary) when evry thing went dark and my family had dissapered
and i was in the game and I didn't know what to do so I went to
the top of the page and went into quit and I got out of the
computer and i was back playing with my family.it was weird but
when I was in the computer i felt at home even though i usuatly
find the computer dificult and hard to use. in the game every
thing was black and wight.
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Dream Title = the game myst
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Dream date = last year in febu
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Other articles and dreams about computers and digital objects.
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1999 August). Research Request:
Computer's in Dreams : Pre and Post Internet Perceptions. Electric
Dreams & Part I Pre-Net Electric Dreams 6(8). Retrieved October
30, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_1999_aug_computers_in_dreams.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 March). Digital Dreams: The
changing (inter)face of dreams in the twenty-first century.
Electric Dreams 7(3). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric
Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_mar_computer-dreams1.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 July). Digital Dreaming Series:
Computer Dreams II : The changing (inter)face of dream texts.
Electric Dreams 7(7). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric
Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_july_computer-dreams2.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 November). Digital Dreaming
Series: Computer Dreams III :: The Digital Shift in Culture.
Electric Dreams 7(11). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric
Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_nov_computer-dreams3.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 January). Digital Dreaming
Series: Computer Dreams IV :: Dream Code and Decoded Flows.
Electric Dreams 8(1). Retrieved December 31, 2000 from Electric
Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2001_jan_computer-dreams4.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 May). Digital Dreaming Series:
Computer Dreams V :: Emergence of Digital Imagery in Analog
Dreamers. Electric Dreams 8(5). Retrieved May 1, 2001 from
Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2001_may_computer-dreams5.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 June). Digital Dreaming Series:
Computer Dreams VI :: Digital Dreaming: Emergence or Replacement
Imagery? Electric Dreams 8(6). Retrieved July 7, 2001 from
Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2001_june_computer-dreams6.htm
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This issue includes volume # 399 - 420
Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.
This section is edited by Richard Wilkerson and the DreamEditor, a
software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream
interpretation and journaling software "Alchera".
(homepage: http://mythwell.com)
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Here is a dream that got lost last month, sorry! - editor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:00 AM
Subject: Two recent dreams
DREAM FROM A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO
Brannagh's Blackmail and a Weird Woman
There's _never_ anything good on telly. And even when I do find
something that might be worth watching, the signal on that channel
is so poor that there's no sound. I keep on trying and eventually
something that might be worth killing some time with. It's a
musical, done in a mock-1920s style, but starring Kenneth
Brannagh. Well, it's got curiosity value if nothing else, and at
least there's some sound on this channel, even if it is a bit
faint.
It's possible that this film was _very_ loosely based on a
Shakespearean play, since Brannagh is in his usual Tudor costume.
The other characters on screen -- a man and a woman -- are both in
more appropriate 1920s period clothes. They're all singing a song
about being blackmailed. They finish the song and then leave the
wood-panelled room. As they do so, another woman enters through
the same door. This new woman has curly hair, while the first
woman had straight hair. She is also wearing a longer, darker
dress compared to the first woman's pale yellow sundress. She
nods to them as they pass her, but no-one says anything.
She is carrying a vinyl LP but instead of putting it on a record
player, she leans it upright against a poster. There's a small
button in the corner of the poster which she presses, and somehow
the record starts playing.
I don't understand how this is possible, until figures leap out
from the poster into the room and start singing. Of course, it's
just one of those fantasy sequences you always get in musicals
like these. Some of the poster people are now life-size, while
others remain a few inches tall.
They're singing a rather threatening song in a foreign language.
But the oman isn't worried, because she can read the subtitles at
the bottom of the screen. That's more than I can do, since I'm
now inside the film myself.
(It's odd that I should have two dreams so close together, both
with me entering something on television. And both dreams are
about music, even though I'm almost tone deaf. Any ideas what
this might mean?)
I leave the room and go up a wide, sweeping staircase to find
myself in a modern, 21st century university library! Kenneth
Brannagh and the straight-haired woman are both there, but now I'm
taking on the role of the other man from that opening sequence.
We're walking in an intricate pattern around the library shelves
while reciting beat poetry about Brannagh's blackmail problem.
I'm new to all this, and accidentally walk up the wrong aisle,
sending Brannagh off in the wrong direction, where he meets the
University's accountant. (Phil's actually the accountant in a
company I used to work for.) Phil explains that according to rule
PQB, Brannagh was accidentally overcharged for his tuition fees
and is entitled to a refund. (This is the first plain prose
dialogue that anyone's spoken in the dream, although I don't
notice it at the time.)
While Brannagh is delighted at the thought of using the money to
pay off his blackmailers, I wander down a different staircase,
into the University's main corridor. (This is the last I see of
him and his friends, so maybe I've walked out of the film as
well?)
The corridor is tiled in a dark blue/grey marble on the floor,
walls and ceiling, giving it a gloomy feeling. Maybe the very
pale wooden doors, like the door of the main lecture theatre ahead
of me, were meant to offset that but they don't quite succeed.
Possibly because the architects had set them all leading off the
corridor at an angle instead of opening straight onto it?
There's still plenty of time before my media studies lecture
starts, and I don't feel like waiting around here, so I'll walk
around a bit to refresh my memory of the layout of this place.
(In real life I studied maths and computing at university, not
media studies.)
The passage leading to the administration wing is a lighter,
brighter eggshell blue. Much more cheerful. Well, the
administrators wouldn't authorise a gloomy decor for themselves,
would they? The passage a short -- with only WCs on both sides --
before it ends in the door to the boardroom. I enter; luckily the
board meeting has just finished. Everyone is milling around,
preparing to leave. They don't notice me as I nip through the
room and out the far side.
Another eggshell blue corridor, this one running the length of the
admin wing. Matching eggshell blue doors leading off on either
side to offices and more WCs. I ignore them and keep on going.
Turning to see the source of voices from behind me, I see a
strange person approaching.
She's biologically female, but her clothes and hairstyle are split
down the middle. On the right-hand side, she's dressed like a
woman, but her left-hand side is like a man: half a man's suit,
short-back-and-sides, no makeup, etc.
Her two halves are arguing with each other out loud. As she
passes me, I can hear her prefix every comment with "(from David)"
or "(from Kim)" so she knows which half said what. I stand there,
puzzled, as she heads of into the distance, before continuing on
my way.
Soon, on my right, I see the university's coach park, where new
students arrive by bus. A mini-shopping mall had grown up around
it, complete with a Wimpy. (For those of you in the US, Wimpy is
the real-life brand name of a popular UK chain of what you'd call
diners.) Soon after that, the corridor ends in the middle of an
open field!
I turn round and head back towards the university buildings, this
time following a different footpath through the field: one which
takes me past the other side of the Wimpy. The male/female woman
is there again. Some people have just come out of the Wimpy and
are teasing her. Apparently, she's the university's cleaner.
They call her "Miss Gay," but I'm not sure if that's her surname
or just an insult.
Their taunts encourage her female half to finally win the
argument. "Yes, I _AM_ a woman!" she yells, falling to her knees.
She rips off her special m/f clothes, revealing a slip underneath.
Strangely, this act has also made her fat and ugly. It's only now
that I realise how attractive she'd been when she was ambiguous.
I wait around a bit, hoping to see if anything else happens. It
doesn't so I hurry along the path, towards the side door to the
University. The delay might have made me late for the lecture.
My employers are allowing me to take day release from work to
attend this media studies course, and they'd be very angry if they
knew I was wasting time watching stuff like this instead of
studying. Besides, there's a good chance this lecture might be
about some of my favourite TV shows.
>From the outside, the university is a Victorian brick building.
A slight mist is starting to form, but I can still see the pond in
the grounds. Nearby, the caretaker is fixing some iron railings.
I want to ask him the time, but I remember that one of the
caretakers is really an evil space alien, and I don't know if it's
this one.
While I'm deciding whether to approach him, I wake up.
(Again, like the earlier dream, it ends with me wondering if a
man is really somebody evil or treacherous in disguise. Any
suggestions?)
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 399
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Death in a Subway???
From: Anonymous
2. The Question
From: Anonymous
3. Lost Friend
From: Anonymous
4. Re: [dream-flow) 2/24 dreams
From: Heratheta
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:03:25 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Death in a Subway???
dream_title: Death in a Subway???
dream_date: 02/24/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: First, I start out in a car with these old people that
i don't even know. I guess they are running from someone or
something. Then I turn around and there is a HUGE truck chasing
the car! Then all of a sudden, my car stops to pick up like 5
more kids. The next thing i know, I'm in a sewer, because that's
the only place there is to hide from these guys. The subway is
like one big circle so there is NO place to hide! The 5 other
kids and me hide in a office and are chased out by some really fat
guy with a sword. So I run in the wrong direction. This guy with
a black outfit comes over looks ate me funny and then stabs me
with a knife in my heart. I literally lay in my bed like i'm dead
and then all of a sudden i'm awake. Please, I need to know what
this all means!
dream_comments: I have no idea what this is about! I would really
like to know the meaning of the dream, even if you don't publish
it.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:04:53 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Question
dream_title: The Question
dream_date: 01/03/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was in school and I was with my friends,
teacher, my admirer, and his friends. We were helping our teacher
after school, my admirer had his friends come to me and tell me
that he liked me and that he wanted to go out with me. I said "
Well if he wants to go out with me so much then why doesn't he
come and tell me himself?" They told him, and the next thing i
know, I turn around and hes right there giving me a note saying
" ( my name )
I'm sorry that I didn't tell you that I liked you myself. i
as afriand that you were going to get freaked and never talk to
me again. So I was wondering if you want to go out just as
friends and talk about this. Well tell me if you want to come or
not.
( his name ) " When he comes to get the answer, I'm
about to tell him and then.... I wake up.
dream_comments: I think this dream is trying to tell me if I
should go out with him or not. A week before, he had his friends
tell me that he liked me and that he wanted to go out with me. I
have a book and its title is " Remembering your dreams " by Craig
Hamilton-Parker. It's very interesting and I'm reading it alot.
it says that sometimes dreams are trying to solve problems that
you are having, and this is one of my problems. Well, I was
wondering if you could write me back telling me what you think
about this. if you can't than I won't be mad I would just thank
you for using your time just to read this.
Thank you.
Cpatriots2002
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:03:58 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Lost Friend
dream_title: Lost Friend
dream_date: February 23, 2002
dreamer_name: scdog112
dream_text: I was on a vacation somewhere, and I was in an
expensive hotel, I left my room and started walking around the
hotel in my underwear, and I heard footsteps following me. I
turned and it was one of my middle school classmates that I had
an attraction on at one time, and he said "I lied, I really do
like you, lets go back to my place" I was like O.K. I went back
to my room and then realized that I had locked myself out, went to
get a key to get back into the room, I dont know why but someone
started chasing me, and I didn't get the key to the room until
the end of the dream and then my mystery friend was nowhere to be
found.
dream_comments: I would like all responses to this dream to be
emailed to slmccray@hotmail.com
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:22:34 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: [dream-flow) 2/24 dreams
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 400
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Fwd: FW:To My Child(AOL is tracking this)Long but PLEASE
read
From: LOSTKRAFT
2. animals
From: Anonymous
3. About my Mother
From: Anonymous
4. The Death of Me
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:52:43 EST
From: LOSTKRAFT
Subject: Fwd: FW:To My Child(AOL is tracking this)Long but PLEASE
read
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:03:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: animals
dream_title: animals
dream_date: 02/25/2002
dreamer_name: madison
dream_text: I dreamed I heard kittens I went to the door a mama
cat had 3 kittens then I seen a big black bear,a lot of people
were in my yard the bear started running and people were falling
all over my yard,then a woman on a horse came riding up,and she
and the horse fell .Then the bear came back and I woke up.
dream_comments: What in the heck could this mean?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:23:07 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: About my Mother
dream_title: About my Mother
dream_date: February 20th and 23rd
dreamer_name: Mama's girl
dream_text: My mother is missing, it has been two or three months
since I have heard from her. Others (not defined) are helping me
search for her. I am determined and very tenacious ( but in a
panic)to find out where she is. Most of it takes place at my
childhood home and her last home. I finally find my mother at
some kind of an institution where she is undergoing treatment for
weight loss. She is sort of out of it and doesn't want to come
with me. I am determined to get her out - no definitive ending.
My second dream - I am at my childhood home. My mother is not
herself. She has announced there will be no more family functions
at her home and that she will be going awa for the holidays. I
scream and cry all to no avail. She is not like my mother. She is
cool and detached. There are others around, but again, undefined.
There is no other outcome. Both these dreams are like nightmares
for me.
dream_comments: My mother has been dead for 20 years. We were very
close and I frequently dream about her or about the home I was
raised in. They are normally not disturbing in nature just
nostalgic.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:01:02 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Death of Me
dream_title: The Death of Me
dream_date: 02-23-02
dreamer_name: Isis
dream_text: I'm not sure where I was in the dream as far as a
location. All I remember is this blue haze that surrounded me
where ever I turned. Then I saw myself (in an out of body
experience) except I had the body of an angel with my face, and
in my face I saw such extreme hatred. Now the angel was
surrounded by this white light like it was her aura. It looked
like me, but at the same time it didn't. Standing next to the
angel was another me. This was a normal me, except my image was
dull, almost see through. Lacking any kind of aura. And in one
fatal blow the angel killed the other me by reaching her hand
through my chest and stopping my heart from beating. There was
no blood. It wasn't gory in any way.
dream_comments: I woke up instantly gasping for air as if I hadn't
been breathing. It shook me up pretty bad. I couldn't go back
to sleep after that. Could someone please contact me with any
information as to what this dream may have meant?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 402
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. a left turn in hyperspace
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@etherways.com>
2. NO PAIN
From: Anonymous
3. The Book
From: Anonymous
4. stomach poems
From: Anonymous
5. biking on the highway-a nightmare
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:06:33 -0800
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@etherways.com>
Subject: a left turn in hyperspace
DATE : 27 feb 2002 10:06 DREAM : a left turn in hyperspace
=( last night was a tuesday, i taught my evening classes and got
home around 21:30. i fixed myself a late dinner and just vegged.
i went to bed around midnight, but had some trouble getting to
sleep until around 02:00. i was tired and sleepy, but my left
shoulder has some injury which seems to be getting worse to the
point that it is difficult to sleep when i turn onto my left side.
it does not seem to hurt much during the day when i am up, but
produces a sharp shoulder pain when i lay down. i do not recall a
specific event that hurt this shoulder so it worries me that it is
getting worse over the last two weeks. )=
NASA engineering task force johnson space center houston, texas,
USA, earth
the physical mechanisms of hyperspace transfer by which our
interstellar spacecraft achieve faster than light velocities have
been well studied and documented. the usual process involves many
metric tons of mass accelerating to near light speed by
conventional propulsion then opening the dimensional barrier for
sustained acceleration and navigation through interstitial space.
this results in the conveyance of the craft across light year
distances when the barrier is finally breached again during
deceleration.
what is less well known, however, is the use of this technology on
small scale, say a dozen kilograms of mass for distances of
several thousand kilometers or less. the goal is to develop
hyperspatial transfer for planetary transport, perhaps even local
city transit through a series of fixed portal mechanisms.
for smaller masses the amount of acceleration needed for the
prebarrier breach is considerably less than light speed, and there
is no propulsion or navigation during the warp phase of travel,
deceleration begins immediately upon achieving warp so the
resultant distances upon dimensional recovery is within the
desired local range. the problem of warp navigation is solved by
a fixed receiving portal weakening the dimensional barrier at
precisely the time when warp deceleration is becoming critical for
the energy mass intransit, so it is sucked from hyperspace into
desired destination. this means that only one such portal must be
timed relative to the launch portal, but the required interval is
within picoseconds and so dozens of transports per second can be
achieved with accurate enough synchronization. there is no known
manner to multiplex simultaneous passive transfers.
technical difficulties with short range hyperspatial transfer
seemed minimal. inorganic matter tested identical in pre and post
transfer. organic matter, vegetation and animal studies also
showed no measurable difference either quantity or quality. the
first human transfers seemed successful but there has recently
been some questions about the results after several hundred human
tests.
the first subject to report difficulty was after human test number
217. the clinical subject was female, 36 years old, 45.8
kilograms, 1.7 meters tall and was transported 4006 kilometers.
all recorded features of her mass, chemistry and biologic
construction measured identical in received state. the signatory
anomaly was that she claimed her name was 'bitsy' while everyone
before knew her as 'betsy'. she maintained that 'bitsy' was the
name her parents christened her, but her family and all historic
records deny this. no evidence has persuaded or changed her
claim.
after the 'bitsy' case, detailed psychological studies have
discovered statistically significant anomalies in about half of
the 216 subjects before her. of the 164 adult married subjects,
more than half have reported difficulties with their spouse that
did not seem evident before transfer. of the 18 children less
than 13 years of age, 12 of them have experienced problems in
schooling, usually changes in friendships or peer relations.
there have even been a few alterations of conditioned behaviors in
the animal subjects that have been noted. no one thought that
psychological factors might be altered if the physical, chemical
and biologic foundations were measurably intact.
these anomalies involve nanometer alterations of the nervous
tissue but in a systematic reorganization of the entire organism.
memory engrams that are randomly lost in normal brain operation
are usually regenerated or at least patched over in sleep during
dream rehearsal of knowledge structure. there is no known
mechanism by which systemic reorganization on the level of social
memory can be altered. the holographic dispersal of memory
engrams are sufficiently generalized that many thousands of bits
in subengrams must be simultaneously altered in exactly the
coherent retrieval pattern to change any social level response
mechanism. billions of register bits must be transformed to
change a person's remembered name identity from 'betsy' to
'bitsy'.
the current hypothesis for these phenomena must include the
probability that the people we are putting into short range
hyperspatial transfer are not always the same people we are
getting out. we can adjust for the minor relativistic differences
in the operational timing of the short range portals within the
parameters of our universe. the problem may be in the structure
of the multiverse beyond our dimension. this may be the first
factual data observations of alternate universes. the theory of
probabilistic parallelism of the fifth dimension requires the
systematic existence of universes running parallel to ours with
only minimal differences which keep them distinct. hyperspace
transfer uses the interstitial zones between dimensions to warp
spacetime. in short range transfer we assume that only one energy
mass is transient within relativistic ranges, but we have no way
of assuring that a universe parallel to ours is not using the same
interstitial zone at the same instant. indeed, probabilistic
parallelism virtually guarantees us that there are other universes
attempting the same process.
why this problem does not seem to occur in our interstellar
spacecraft is unknown, but it may involve the operation of active
navigation within hyperspace and self-initiated interior barrier
disruption for spatial reentry that could serve to keep nearly
identical entry masses distinct.
=( i awoke with this content in mind around 08:30 but went back to
sleep for another dream cycle which did not produce any content
that altered my memory of this. this is a rather rare type of
dream for me in which i spend what seems to be the entire night
thinking about some problem and composing a detailed report on it.
i suspect that the pain in my shoulder may have kept me from
entering normal deep sleep for regular dreaming. this is not a
very visual form of dreaming with events and persons like normal,
but it is more like sleep thinking. at some point i did actually
see 'bitsy' come out of a hyperspace portal, but that was the only
actual dream fragment while the rest of the night was thinking and
rethinking the problem of her name change and other data that
would go into the report i was trying to write all night. the
numbers in this written description of the dream are not very
exact to what they were during my sleep, but they had some similar
precise value at the time. i just can not remember exactly what
their value was, so i make up something similar when i write this.
they had some fixed and exact value like these during dreamtime.
the names 'bitsy' and 'betsy' were exactly those, as i puzzled
over them again and again during the night before i finally came
up with the multiverse hypothesis for the phoneme change. usually
my dreams are like stories of things which happen to me, and it is
easy to write down what i remember. once in a while i have dreams
which happen to someone else where i just watch the events unfold.
i do not know what to make of report like, sleep thinking which
have neither events nor plot. it seems to be related to dreaming
but somehow a different sort of mental activity while asleep,
maybe not dreaming at all. )=
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:58:36 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: NO PAIN
dream_title: NO PAIN
dream_date: Wednesday 27th February 2002
dreamer_name: Toslover
dream_text: I am lying in a dentist chair....There is no one in
the room with me. Then all of a sudden a women comes towards me
with an instrument that is NOT used in dentistry and starts to
pull my teeth out. This is when I notice that I have already had
a number of teeth pulled out. They have been surgically removed
and my gums are stitched up. I am looking around nervously, but
she is the only person in the room. I feel no pain even though I
haven't had any anaesthetic!
dream_comments: I work at a dentist and have had for 4 years. I
have had treatment before but no extractions. I don't know where
this came from! I have never worked for a female dentist.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:35:38 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Book
dream_title: The Book
dream_date: February 25, 2002
dreamer_name: Jimbob
dream_text: I dreamed about a female friend of mine. She was
standing in a dark room - black walls, black floor, black chair.
There was a bonfire off to the side. There was a book with a
black cover but I couldn't read the title of it, and it had
really white pages. I came into the room and sat down in the
chair. She didn't see me, so she went to sit and thus sat on my
lap. She kept reaching for the book, but I kept stopping her - I
don't know if it was because I thought it was dangerous; I just
didn't want her to get it. The more she reached, the more she
seemed to melt into me. Also, my friend was naked.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:36:07 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: stomach poems
dream_title: stomach poems
dream_date: ~ feb 10, 2002
dreamer_name: emmanuelle
dream_text: i had this dream not too long ago where i was in a
giant, open plaza, a meeting place of some sort...the emotions in
the dream weren't particurely one way or the other, just calm and
collected, although i had a lot of energy, focus on what i was
doing...i felt like i was on some sort of voyage though, i was a
messenger of some sort, with something important to tell
someone...in the dream, my stomach was a lot more flat, my body a
different shape, i looked behind me to make sure no one was
watching (apparently this message was to be delivered in secrecy,
that's why i had to write it where i did) and i lifted up my
shirt just a little bit.. took a marker out of my pocket, and
wrote "i saw the best minds of my generation, destroyed by
madness" (the first line of allen ginsburg's poem "howl") on my
stomach, and ran off to deliver this message to others..
i have yet to figure out what this dream symbolizes.
dream_comments: you have permission to publish my email address as
emmanuelle42@yahoo.com
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:02:36 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: biking on the highway-a nightmare
dream_title: biking on the highway-a nightmare
dream_date: not recorded
dreamer_name: Dreamer in the Dark of Dreams
dream_text: there was a flash of white light and I found myself
bicycling on a highway with some complete strangers.5-7 of them.
They were wearing leather jackets. When I was looking along the
sides of the road, I saw a man who was about 6ft.(it was the
closest I could figure) and was wearing a black tie,suit,and
pants and neat black hair.He was making some kind of hand
signals(not sign language)and then he just disintegrated.A few
seconds later, the metal side railings started prying themselves
apart.I then felt an unstoppable force pushing and shoving me
into the gap. I then fell off the edge and onto the ground some
hundred feet above the ground. Then everything started to go
slower, even my falling.All of that height, I was falling
slowly,so that I was stricken with terror as I fell onto the
grassy hills,Knowing that I was going to die...
dream_comments: This dream was different from any other dream I
have had. I lost my sense of control from the start and every
thing was in a mental fog. This dream haunted me for days. If
possible, please E-mail me at **************. Also, if my dream
is published, please exclude my E-mail address.
Thank you
Dreamer in the dark of Dreams
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 403
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. War Planes
From: Anonymous
2. Camping
From: Anonymous
3. Re:3/1 dreams
From: Heratheta
4. Re: About my Mother
From: "avram cristi" <chrishere60
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:25:59 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: War Planes
dream_title: War Planes
dream_date: 2/27/02
dreamer_name: Di
dream_text: I'm standing in a green field with people i've never
seen before, it's a clear blue sky, the grass is very green, the
trees are in fall colors. We are all watching what looks like a
air show. The planes are war planes, but they are the old ones,
like the Red Baron type, they're doing twists and turns, suddenly
i'm in one of them and we are in battle, i ask the pilot about
the people we have captured on board, they looked Asian, women
and children, he said we just throw them out and send them back
to their villages, then all i see is a woman clutching her baby
and flying out of the plane, and i just remember feeling so
shocked by the site of it and wondering why they didn't have
parachutes.
dream_comments: This dream gave me an uneasy feeling and i can't
forget it, i know there must be more, but i can't think of the
rest.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:25:37 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Camping
dream_title: Camping
dream_date: 2/24/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I had a dream about the man that I am in love with
however we are not involved with each other. The dream was that I
called him because he was home frome school for sping break and
asked him what he was doing for the week. He said nothing so I
asked him if he would want to go camping with me in the mountains
and forest. He agreed and said he would be at my house in an
hour. Well in reallity we both live no where near the mountains,
but in the dream we drove 20 minutes out of the town that we
currently live in and there where the mountains where we dicided
to camp. First we came to an empty field where there was a small
store where we picked up some food for the week. We camped out
and the first night we stayed the temperature droped so it became
very cold. So to stay warm we got naked together and slept next
to one another for warmth,but we did not have sex. Then the next
morning we begain to have feelings for one another. Through out
my dream, I dreampt about each night and day that we stayed.Then
when the week was up we drove home and that was the end of it.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:52:27 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re:3/1 dreams
you're on the right track
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:53:44 +0000
From: "avram cristi" <chrishere60
Subject: Re: About my Mother
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 404
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Be Sure to Keep Your Apples Close to your Seatbelt
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:53:34 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Be Sure to Keep Your Apples Close to your Seatbelt
dream_title: Be Sure to Keep Your Apples Close to your Seatbelt
dream_date: 03/01/02
dreamer_name: AtomicYak
dream_text: It's evening. I was living with two roommates - Kris
Bakken (I lived with him for the 9 months before I was in Japan,
and Missy - she was my supervisor at work before I was in Japan).
I'm talking to them, and we all dreamed the same thing the night
before. Our dream was of an old man in a yellow raincoat and hat
saying "Be sure to keep your apples close to your seatbelt." As
we began talking about it, the doorbell rang. It was the old man
we had all dreamed about. He reiterated his message, then ran off
into the night. I joked that we'd never be able to find him if we
ran after him, thinking he was a ghost or something. I ambled
outside, thinking of how astonishing it was that 1)I dreamed the
exact same thing as both my roommates, and 2)The man from our
dreams came to our house in real life. As I was about to walk in
through the garage, a pickup truck pulls up, and Missy is walking
out of the house. I ask her who's in the truck. "Keenan" she
replies. I ask, "Keenan Ivory Wayans?" She says no, it's her
friend Keenan (Forgot the last name). So I went inside the house
to write on the computer about the dream experience that just
happened, on a website called dreamstop.com (I actually DID go
there last night in real real life.). Kris was sleeping in his
bed, which was right in front of the computer. I listened to him
as he talking in his sleep. In a broadcast announcer sort of
voice, he said "Why is the TV watching you? Why ask why? Drink
Pepsi". I looked over at the TV, and a Pepsi commercial with
Britney Spears was on the television. I looked down near the
controls, and there was actually a mini-video camera in the
television, so the TV WAS watching us. I assumed it was the
landlord who put that in there. ............. This dream was
really life-like. While I was dreaming it, I was conscious, but
not that I was dreaming. When I woke up, I was actually surprised.
I don't even live with those two people, but I had myself
believing it. It was a strong dream, that dealt with dreams
inside of dreams. I hope I have more like this, and I hope I can
figure out how to look at something like this.
dream_comments: This dream was really life-like. While I was
dreaming it, I was conscious, but not that I was dreaming. When I
woke up, I was actually surprised. I don't even live with those
two people, but I had myself believing it. Please use my e-mail
(AtomicYak@aol.com)
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 405
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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. BRUCE
From: Anonymous
2. my friends stepdad haves a son
From: Anonymous
3. tetris
From: Anonymous
4. oh man.....
From: Anonymous
5. Hannibal
From: Anonymous
6. Fortune cookie
From: Anonymous
7. I didn't Know it was gold!
From: Anonymous
8. dream dates
From: Anonymous
9. My teeth are falling out
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:14:12 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: BRUCE
dream_title: THE BLACK HOLE
dream_date: thursday,january,30,2002
dreamer_name: BRUCE
dream_text: the sound you hear in your head when you
yon....thats what i hear when im in a dream and im about to wake
up....its as if the sound is draining me of all my energy because
at around this time im verry weak.... when i relize that im
completey awake im in complete darkness with no body control..its
as though my eyes are open in my head...i can hear my heart beat
with my head lyind sideways on my pillow. with fear kicking in i
can hear my heart beat faster and louder so with all my might i
try mentaly to wake up out of this state of being in the dark. it
takes a tremendous amout of strength..and when i finaly iam able
to open my eyes it took so much energy that i slip back into my
own black hole and if i dont hang on i slip deeper and deeper and
the deeper i go the harder it is to open my eyes. and when i do
slip back i still hear the sound of yoning in my head. this has
happend more than once to me. i find this exsperience verry
strange the fact im completey aware of my soroundings but unable
to move my lims or open my eyes and feeling so week. it makes me
feel like im dying but its just not the case. its something right
out of the x-files .
dream_comments: i want people to see this..i wonder if im alone
with this experience?
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:14:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: my friends stepdad haves a son
dream_title: my friends stepdad haves a son
dreamer_name: nsync girl
dream_text: Me and friend and some boy about friend's age was
hanging out. He was picking on me.i he wrote thing on a peice of
paper and I take it away from him and strat to write on it.When
I,WAS finsh with it ,I turn it over and it had his full name.He
had the same last name as my friend's stepdad. I look at my
friend told her,I didn't tell me you had a stepbrother. She said
yes.
dream_comments: my friend stepdad been married 4 times but he said
that he don't have kids at all. I try to found out about this
dream befor but but body don't know anything about.I don't think
it's means anything but if is can you please help me on this
dream So I can tell my friend thank you
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:15:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: tetris
dream_title: tetris
dream_date: feb 12,2002
dreamer_name: david
dream_text: i suddenlly appear in a black room and see 2 tetris
shapes fall right infront of me and then i see another one
falling onto me. then i woke up
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:17:10 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: oh man.....
dream_title: oh man.....
dream_date: Sat Feb 23/02
dreamer_name: Keaton
dream_text: Please help me understand this dream. I dreamt that
God came to me and told me I only had two hours left to have my
son with me. He is 11 years old and in good health. All I could
do was to hold him, kiss him, and try to memorize every little
detail of him. It was like someone telling me that I can only
have one child to love and God was taking my son away from me. I
woke up in a panic, went directly into his room, but realized he
was at a sleep over.
dream_comments: Can you please help me on this, I haven't had a
good sleep since Sat. worried constantly. I am on the verge of
tears wondering what this means. I had a funeral a few weeks ago,
my sister-in-laws parents took their lives,,,I never met them. I
know I was upset with my son for the usual homework reasons, but
this has never happened before and to tell you the truth I am
scared that someone is trying to tell me something. My mother
always told me that God has only given us children to borrow, they
are not ours to own,,,,,oh man....The tears are flowing again as I
am writing, not a good thing when you work with men,,,by the way
I tried to talk to my husband and he will not have anything to do
with this dream. So once again, can you please help me or direct
me where I can find information to interpret this nightmare
Thank you kindly
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:17:32 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Hannibal
dream_title: Hannibal
dream_date: 2/14/02
dreamer_name: Lynn
dream_text: I had to meet for a highschool reunin that took place
in a warehouse. Durning the evening we all took off and partied
in the streets. I started to think about the town and how
corrupt it was. There was a man on the loose, killing children
at a river. I entered a house after I let that thought escape my
mind. I noticed that I had been in a house with Hannibal Lector.
He was dressed in all black and he was carring a knife. He had
blood dripping from his clothes. I followed him from room to
room, observing his actions. I watched him put a mask to his face
and he looked in the mirror. I could see his evil eyes through
the mask. He set it down and walked to another room. He acted
like he didn't know I was there but I believe that he did know
that I was there. I ran up to him and yelled, "I LOVE YOU, LET
ME GO!" He said, "Leave now." I started to run to the window as
he slowly inched his way to me. The window would not open and
then it did and it kept falling on me. I kept looking back and he
kept inching his way closer.
dream_comments: Could you tell me what this dream could mean?
Thanks!
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:18:17 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Fortune cookie
dream_title: Fortune cookie
dream_date: 2/25/02
dreamer_name: David
dream_text: I have a friend who keeps dreaming that he is
murdering someone. He dreamnt the other night that he opened up
a fortune cookie that said that he had murdered a homosapean. He
also dreamnt that he was choking someone. What could that mean?
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:18:50 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: I didn't Know it was gold!
dream_title: I didn't Know it was gold!
dream_date: 2/23/02
dreamer_name: totaldrmr
dream_text: I am hiking through the woods on a georgeous day
and come to a stream flowing out of a lake, which is to my left.
I walk through/across the stream and realize I am now at my
destination, a cabin.
Suddenly there is a commotion in my back pack and then it
falls off. When I turn around, it's not a backpack but a net
(the size of a duffle bag) loaded with gold and silver coins,
glistening in the clear sparkling stream and sunlight. I am
relieved and sigh with a smile as if to say, "All that commotion
and it's only you, a big bag of gold! I don't know what I'm going
to do with you."
I just stare at that beautiful sight, and notice how it
glistens and sparkles, sort of changing back and forth from
silver to gold. I knew I could reach out and feel the coins, but
not without risking the possibility that they might disappear,
which would be sad since they are very dear to me.
I don't really want to possess the coins, but I know that I
never want to forget this sight, so, for a long time I am
content, yet facinated just watching the coins and the way they
changed from gold to silver in the glistening water and sunlight.
dream_comments: Hello,
My children are well, my job is great, I can't stand my ex-husb.
and my major source of anxiety right now is my relationship with
my boyfriend.
I am 46 years old. I have been dating a man for over a year and
just recently gave up on the notion that I might want to marry
him. I sense he doesn't really want marriage either, though he
swears he does and says he doesn't want to lose me. From the
beginning I attributed my doubts to the fact that he overspends
(is in huge financial debt) and overeats (needs to loose 80 lbs.)
But lately I've been haunted by thoughts that I simply just don't
love him enough and that it's not right for me to continue this. I
am having a lot of difficulty talking with him about this and he
is in a lot of angst too, as you can imagine.
I know water symbolizes emotion and gold something of value. What
do you think the "crossing Over" the stream means?? Any other
interpretations?
Thank you
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:16:20 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: dream dates
dream_title: dream dates
dream_date: feb 24/02
dreamer_name: BARBARA
dream_text: i've had 3 dreams that depicted exactly how my 3
relationships have turned out. i have met a fourth man and i
can't seem to dream of him. everytime i do dream he is
somewheres in my dream but i can never find him. i know he is
there but i never see him. first relationship dream: there were
girls everywhere antangonizing me and making fun of me in my
home. actual relationship: turned out i left him for having
relationships with 2 women. second relationship dream: my
boyfriend was sitting at a picnic table while i looked down from
a big tall house. he was drunk and talking to himself and i was
embarrassed because there were ppl in the house. he was laughing
at me too. actual relationship: he actually did just that! i got
fed up with his drugs(pills) and i moved out of his dads house
while he was so stoned and nattering to himself and laughing at
me as i moved everything out myself(3 months pregnant) third
relationship dream: i was in this house and i ended up being in a
room with my nose against the wall. i couldnt move because there
was no room and i was getting clostefobic. actual relationship:
he beat me senseless and was always out looking for me when i
wasn't home when he arrived home.
dream_comments: my dreams all have houses in them and i know that
it means my heart. but when i try and dream of my present
boyfriend i can't seem to see him anywheres! i am lead to
believe that he is me because we are so much alike and we believe
that we are soul mates and have met before. if i ever dream that
certain dream and see him in it i will let you know!
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:19:15 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: My teeth are falling out
dream_title: My teeth are falling out
dream_date: once a week or so
dreamer_name: Joe Dumas
dream_text: I am walking or doing an everyday chore like cleaning
my car out or fixing something to eat and then the doorbell rings
or someone comes to me and we start talking. This person is not
somone I know first hand, but they seem familiar. After a little
while my teeth start falling out and I can not stop it and I feel
horrible and try to runa dn that is when I wake up
dream_comments: Please use my Real Name (Jason Scoby) Please use
my e-mail (jasonscoby@hotmail.com)
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 406
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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Circle of Letters
From: Anonymous
2. Re: Circle of Letters
From: Heratheta
3. A Visit From My Father
From: Anonymous
4. a book writing
From: Anonymous
5. Re: A Visit From My Father
From: Heratheta
6. bank robbery
From: Anonymous
7. Winning Money
From: Anonymous
8. Ham
From: Anonymous
9. shakira
From: Anonymous
10. wood
From: Anonymous
11. Shock
From: Anonymous
12. Concerts
From: Anonymous
13. Water
From: Anonymous
14. The theatre performance
From: Anonymous
15. wolves
From: Anonymous
16. falling
From: Anonymous
17. Fire
From: Anonymous
18. Dark
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:05:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Circle of Letters
dream_title: Circle of Letters
dream_date: 1997-1998
dreamer_name: Amber
dream_text: How about *this* one. So far nobody's been able to
interpret it.
I dreamt of a circle of Hebrew Letters. They moved continually
like they were alive and glowed a very luminous white in color.
I can't remember which particular letters they were...but it was
strange to say the least.
dream_comments: If you get any brave souls who think they can
interpret this one please email me at: amber_dd@hotmail.com
Thanks! Amber
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:24:09 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Circle of Letters
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:30:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: A Visit From My Father
dream_title: A Visit From My Father
dream_date: February 4, 2002
dreamer_name: AaronsGrl23
dream_text: I saw myself and my boyfriend, Aaron, in a castle.
I'm not exactly sure where we are. Everything here is so
beautiful with colors of green & gold, blue & silver, and black &
chrome. As Aaron took my hand in his I noticed an intricantly
designed silver band on his left hand. I looked at mine and I
have a matching ring. Aaron lead me down a candlelit hallway
where we stopped in front of two very large doors. As the doors
opened, it was then that I had realized that Aaron was in a tuxedo
and I was dressed in a bridal gown. The room we entered had over
100 guests, all of which I could not make out any faces. As we
entered the room, a familiar voice announced to the guests :
Ladies and gentleman, I now present to you Mr. and Mrs. Aaron
Smith. People began clapping and throwing rose petals and rice
at us as we walked to the dancefloor. When we reached the
dancefloor, the applause stopped and "Hero" by Enrique Igelsias
began to play and we began to dance. As we started to dance, I
looked up at my new husband and I could see tears in his deep blue
eyes. As he smiled at me, one fell. As I smiled back, a single
tear from both of my eyes began to fall. As we continued to
dance, I could hear someone whispering in my ear, but there was
no one close
enough for me to hear let alone around us. I
noticed that our guests had disappeared, but that Aaron and I
remained in our wedding attire. As I listened more intently on
what was being said to me, I had looked over Aaron's shoulder and
saw my father standing beside Aaron and I dancing along with us.
My father was smiling at Aaron and I. He began to tell me how
proud he was of his baby girl. He was proud of all the
accomplishments I had made in my life, in the years he had
missed. He said to Aaron and I that he was extremely proud of
his new son-in-law because my heart truely belongs with Aaron and
Aaron's heart truely belongs with me. As my father went on about
how he could tell Aaron and I would live a happy, fulfilling life,
Aaron began to cry again. It was then that I realized that not
only could I see and hear my father, but so could Aaron. For the
first time in our lives, Aaron and I felt complete. We had been
bound togetheras one not only by marriage, but by love..true
love. As Aaron and I looked into each other's eyes, we noticed
that my father's voice, his presence, and his encouraging words
had disappeared, but that his spirit was still felt all around us.
And we smiled.
dream_comments: I would like to add that my father had passed away
in august of 1997. Also that Aaron and I agree that both of us
were meant to move to the city we now both live in just to meet
one another. We are very happy with each other and for the first
time in my life I am truly happy with where I am in my life and I
am truly happy with Aaron and all his imperfections because they
make him that much more attractive to me. Please use my e-mail.
I would appreciate any comments anyone has to offer about this
dream sent to me via e-mail.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:04:30 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: a book writing
dream_title: a book writing
dream_date: 4/2/2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: a book writing
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:29:35 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: A Visit From My Father
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:32:33 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: bank robbery
dream_title: bank robbery
dream_date: 03.03 0002
dreamer_name: anonymous
Dream_text: i dreamt i robbed a bank and was chased by the
police,and hid in a mates garden.but the strange thing is, my
wife woke up at 2am, same time i woke up,and had dreamt i had
robbed a bank with the same mate whose garden i dreamt i hid
in,and was being chased by the police.
Dream_comments: havent heard of people sharing dreams and this has
really freaked me out.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:24:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Winning Money
dream_title: Winning Money
dream_date: 3-5-2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I have a recurring dream in which I win a great deal
of money. In some dreams I win the lottery and in others I win it
by gambling. In some of the dreams I give some of the money to
family members and donate some to charity. I have enough left to
buy everything I have ever wanted. In one of the dreams the money
kept getting stolen from me, but I kept getting it back. I would
always give a little to the person who stole it so they could
feed their children, who were hungry, but again, I kept enough
for myself. I always feel very good both during these dreams and
after I have awakened.
dream_comments: What do these dreams mean?
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:06:20 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Ham
dream_title: Ham
dream_date: Feb 2002
dreamer_name: veggie
dream_text: i was at a dinner party and when dinner was over, i
had this weird craving for something to eat - even though the
dinner had been excellent and sufficient. so i stole myself into
the kitchen and when i saw a plate of ham which had been left
over, i started to eat slices of ham, wondering at the same time
why i would do that.
dream_comments: i've been a vegetarian for the past ten years and
even though i'm not too strict about it, i haven't eaten any meat
in that period!?
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:05:53 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: shakira
dream_title: shakira
dream_date: 2.3.02
dreamer_name: diyar
dream_text: yesterday i had a rally good dream. i was on a concert
of shakira. after the concert a man came and said, that shakira
wants to talk with me. then i walked with the man into a room.
shakira was in the room.then the man got out of the room.shakira
closed the door then she kissed me. but suddenly my sister woke
me up
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:07:06 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: wood
dream_title: wood
dream_date: feb. 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was walking in a big wood. It was getting darker and
darker. Suddenly the trees bent over my head and built a tunnel.
I walked through it and it seemed to me like hours when I
suddenly recognized a flickering light at the end of the tunnel.
I walked towards this light which became brighter with every
step. I reached the end of the tunnel , I suddenl fell down and
woke up.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:07:49 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Shock
dream_title: Shock
dream_date: 01.03.2002
dreamer_name: AcidBurn
dream_text: my dream: when i came home, the whole house was full
of blood.... i searched my family and finally i found my father
lying in the bath tube. He was dead... then i search my brother
and mother but i coudn´t find them!! Everything was deep-
red.suddenly there was a cut in my dream...i dreamed that i was
lying on a very big bed outside on marcedplace and that a men
raped me... this time everything was pale-orange.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:08:11 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Concerts
dream_title: Concerts
dream_date: 05.03.2002
dreamer_name: Augustus
dream_text: Last night i had a horryfinig dream, i was real
shocked. I was on a concert of britney spears. I cried Help Help
but nobody wanted to help me. I got a real shock and then i woke
up in the hospital.
dream_comments: I think i got so a shock because i hate britney
spears an such music.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:06:43 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Water
dream_title: Water
dream_date: 2.3.02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was on a big boat out in the wide sea! It was very
stormy! I was afraid that I fall down into the water! Suddenly
the storm was getting stronger and I just tried to stay at the
boat, but it was very difficult! Then I woke up!!!
dream_comments: It was a strage feeling when I thought about this
dream later! I was a bit afraid about this dream!!!!
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:08:54 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The theatre performance
dream_title: The theatre performance
dream_date: a week ago
dreamer_name: Mary
dream_text: I dreamded that I was a member of an actor-set and we
were supposed to do a performace....my part was to sing a song in
front of of all people...I was quite nervous but as soon as I was
on stage I had a calm feeling and I sang my song perfectly! When
i was finished with my part I wanted to leave the stage, but
suddenly the ohter actors started to talk with me on stage....I
couldn't say a word, I thought my part was just to sing....but I
suddenly had one of the main roles and I of course didn't know
any text..........and so it went off to be a disaster.....the
audience reacted quite cool, but the director of the theatre was
in a rage....he shouted at me "Why the hell don't you know your
text......you are the worst actress I've ever seen!!"
First I didn't say a word....but then I shouted back: "How dare
you talking to me like that? I didn't know that I had a main
role...if you don't tell me that, then it's your fault....your
own one........and now I'm going to leave that stupid
theatre........kiss my ass, dear director!!!!
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:04:42 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: wolves
dream_title: wolves
dream_date: 30.01.1994
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: i´m running away from wolves, which persue me and i´m
ending up on a small hill with a small wood there are canyons
and beyond is a small track. i´m between the canyon and the
wolves, so i jump... but i catch a root and so i get away from the
wolves, but in the end they are catching me...
dream_comments: terrifying, and notorious coming again
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:04:22 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: falling
dream_title: falling
dream_date: 3.3.2002
dreamer_name: me
dream_text: I was sitting on the top of a tree like a bird.
suddenly my boy-friend came and I was falling down. I was falling
and falling and I wouldn't stop.
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:05:07 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Fire
dream_title: Fire
dream_date: 6.03.02
dreamer_name: Diane
dream_text: Last night i dreamt something very strange... My dad
told me, that our house was burning... I looked out of the window
and so the fire... It was only on one side of the house... We
called the firebrigade but they didn't come. Me and my family
stayed in our house until the firemen came... my mother was
upstairs with my brother and I tried to get out of the house...
all windows were open and there was a firehose all through the
house... Then the fireman started to put out the fire and out of
the hose came a lot of very cold snow (co2-snow) everything went
into my face. finally the fire was put out and there was no sign
of a fire on the walls...
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:08:31 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dark
dream_title: Dark
dream_date: 2.2.2002
dreamer_name: Manitu
dream_text: i wanted to went home after school but suddenly the it
was getting darker and darker. I began to realize that i was in a
big forrest and didn´t found the way out. I walked on but
suddenly I heard wolfes roaring and so i ran away and climbed on
a big tree. But somehow the wolfes also could climb and then they
stood in front of me. I waked up when the leading wolf lokked into
my eyes and sprang.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 407
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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: a book writing
From: Heratheta
2. invisible
From: Anonymous
3. lover killed
From: Anonymous
4. The Snake Attacks
From: Anonymous
5. snakes
From: Anonymous
6. anonymous
From: Anonymous
7. very busy market place
From: Anonymous
8. Re: anonymous
From: wendy frazetti <wfrazetti
9. Re: very busy market place
From: wendy frazetti <wfrazetti
10. snakes chasing me
From: wendy frazetti <wfrazetti
11. the bus ride
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:30:17 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: a book writing
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:45:28 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: invisible
dream_title: invisible
dreamer_name: Heather
dream_text: In my dream I went to the gym that I attend on a usual
basis. all the people that I like to socialize with were there.
Ryan, Jay, Renee, Jacqi, Peter and Donnie. I ran over to talk to
my group of friends after my workout, and it was like no one
could hear or see me. I triend my hardest to talk to each person
and it didn't even affect them. I started yelling at Renee
calling her a fat hoe and a snatch and very awful names which in
reality I'd probably never say to her face, but I do think them to
myself. And then the dream turned into only Ryan and I in the
weight room, at the gym. I was still invisible though. Ryan took
a look around to make sure none of his friends were in the room
and then proceeded to bench press a lot of weight, which is not
good for his shoulder. I started getting really mad and trying to
pull him away from the bench press bar and I couldn't. Then the
dream ended. when I woke up I was really mad at ryan because I
thought that he really did lift weights and his shoulder would
never heal if he didn't let it.
dream_comments: I have a crush on the guy Ryan in my dream and I
don't know what the dream means in perspective to him and I.Ryan
also recently hurt his shoulder and hasn't been able to lift
weights, which is something that he loves to do. Renee in the
dream is his girlfriend. Jay, Peter and Donnie are good guy
friends of mine that I usually only chill with at the Gym. Jacqi
is my best friend.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:45:01 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: lover killed
dream_title: lover killed
dream_date: 6.3.02
dreamer_name: kristy lee
dream_text: My bofriend got killed while we were at a car park, by
black fellas, because they were making rude remarks about me. He
was slit from head to toe with a 30cm knife. I woke up screaming
and all sweaty.
dream_comments: I was shit scared why am i having these dreams?
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:21:11 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Snake Attacks
dream_title: The Snake Attacks
dream_date: a long time ago, (8 or 9 years ago)
dreamer_name: Katlin Zucker
dream_text: Okay, this is from when I had just moved from dead-
center St. Paul, to a town in the country. It was a while after
I had seen my very first snake, and the thing petrified me. A
night following, I had the following dream; I am walking (or
skipping) in front of my new house, (right outside my bedroom,
actually) and I see this snake behind me. Naturally, I try to run
away, and I only had to run about 20 yards when I actally almost
run into the purple & pink sky, and hide behind my mother's china
cabinet. Then, there's her teddy bear, and a bear that my cousin
had recently given me, and a couple of my other stuffed animals
who I can't quite recall. We're all still hiding, pressed against
the sky and my mother's bear says, "Don't move, or he'll see
you." I look up, and suddenly, he's a big snake. Python-sized.
And he looked right at me. Well, being very young, I couldn't
help it. I ran to the house to find my mother or father. and he
followed me. I was a little past my window, less than 3 yards
from the front door, when he wraps around my leg. I start
kicking and screaming and then that's it. I woke up.
dream_comments: I am 14 years old now. I was about 4 when I
dreamt this, and I just think that of all the dreams I've had, it
seems funny that I remember this one.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:07:25 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: snakes
dream_title: snakes
dream_date: 28.02.02
dreamer_name: pen name
dream_text: my friends and me were somewhere in a forrest, doing
something like a trip or just walking (actually I don't
remember), suddenly I was all alone. I wasn't scared, but I was
dissapointed that my friends weren't around me all of a sudden.
Then something really scary happened: the roots of the trees
turned into snakes (and I just can't stand snakes). I tried to
run away, but they didn't let me. So I began crying for help,
then I woke up screaming.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:05:27 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: anonymous
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: My dream started on a wide, big sea, which I was
walking along. It seemed like a huge carpet made of water.
Suddenly a long and green liane jumped out of the sea in front of
me and went right into the sky. I hoped to find a way out and
started climbing upwards. I climbed and climbed without seeing an
end. But in spite of it I kept on climbing and finally I saw
something like an end, but at the same moment the liane turned
into a gigantic snake, which started chocking me.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:09:31 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: very busy market place
dream_date: 4.3.02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: here's what I've dreamt: It's very short: I was
walking across a very busy market place. I didn't know where I
was. I was wearing a white shirt and a purple tie. That's all!
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:07:40 -0800 (PST)
From: wendy frazetti <wfrazetti
Subject: Re: anonymous
there is something bothering you. something that you can't get
out of or you can't find a way out of. ---
dream_text: My dream started on a wide, big sea, > which I was
walking along. > It seemed like a huge carpet made of water.
Suddenly > a long and green liane > jumped out of the sea in
front of me and went right > into the sky. I hoped > to find a
way out and started climbing upwards. I > climbed and climbed >
without seeing an end. But in spite of it I kept on > climbing and
finally I > saw something like an end, but at the same moment >
the liane turned into a > gigantic snake, which started chocking
me. > >
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. bread
From: Anonymous
2. The Sky Is Falling
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:21:22 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: bread
dream_title: bread
dream_date: 3/7/02
dreamer_name: amy
dream_text: i had a dream last night that i went back in the
woods....well these guys were throwing bread at me and i didnt
know why and i was running and no bread ever hit me. while these
guys were throwing bread ta me i saw my ex-boyfriend who i still
love, and his best friend sitting in the crowd...but i dont know
if they seen me. what does this dream mean?
dream_comments: i dont really remember whereb the dream was but i
know we went down in the woods.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:56:05 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Sky Is Falling
dream_title: The Sky Is Falling
dream_date: 3-3-02
dreamer_name: Lisa
dream_text: I dreamed that me and one of my children were standing
on a back porch of a house that is unknown to me watching a storm
blow in. After a few minutes the clouds started falling down on
us. In small pieces at first then the whole cloud started coming
down and i told her that we needed to go inside. We went in and I
started making sure that everyone was safe when realized that my
boyfriend(I think it was him) and my sister were outside the
front of the house. I ran out to tell them to come in and my
sister was laying on the ground. I asked what had happened and he
told me that she had gotten in a car wreck and died but I knew
that she had not left the house. He said that she had got into
the car and backed into something and she was dead. I picked her
up and we all went into the house right as the storm clouds were
falling on the front of the house then I woke up.
dream_comments: Please use my real e-mail
(email not given)
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 409
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Amy's Bread
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
2. schulze
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:11:36 -0000
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
Subject: Re: Amy's Bread
----- Original Message ----- | | dream_title: bread | dream_date:
3/7/02 | dreamer_name: amy | | dream_text: i had a dream last
night that i went | back in the woods....
(*SNIP* details of boys throwing bread)
| what does this dream mean? | | dream_comments: i dont really
remember where the | dream was but i know we went down in the
woods. |
Hi, Amy. I'm no expert in dreams, but you said you "went back" to
the woods. Do woods mean anything to you in real-life, maybe
something from your past? That might be the key to understanding
the dream.
Cheers, Pi.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 07:33:29 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: schulze
dream_date: couple weeks ago
dreamer_name: schulze
dream_text: im in my house but its this really big mansion. and im
walking down the stairs with my best friend. in walks my
boyfriend but he is with my other best friend and my other really
good friend. im kinda jealous becuase he has his arms around
them. but i run down the stairs and jump into his arms and hug
him as if i have never huged someone before. i get this feeling
while we are hugging in my dream and after i wake im still
feeling it. its a feeling that i have never felt before.
dream_comments: my boyfriend in my dream is my real life crush.
the best friend that walks in with him, in real life, tends to
always be in my relationships and is always talking to my
boyfriends. my other real good friend went out with my crush for
5 months and then she broke up with him. please email and tell me
what this dream means
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 410
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. ASD Dream Telepathy Contest tonight
From: "dreambat13" <rcwilk
2. Re: ASD Dream Telepathy Contest tonight
From: "lswartzmiller" <lauren
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:06:07 -0000
From: "dreambat13" <rcwilk
Subject: ASD Dream Telepathy Contest tonight
Hi all - I'll do an Online Dream Telepathy Contest this Saturday
night-Sunday morning, March 9-10, 2002. This contest will work
similarly to those held annually at ASD Conferences.
See for example:
http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy/
For the target image, on Saturday night I will randomly select one
image from a target pool of 100 images. This target pool has ten
categories, with ten objects in each category. I will send that
image through the night. You can choose to tune into the image
by "telepathy", "remote viewing", or through precognition. On
Sunday morning I will semi-randomly select 4 more images from
this pool (semi-randomly because all selected objects will belong
to different categories), and will make up a graphic with all
five images on it for Richard Wilkerson to post online.
Participating dreamers can view the images online, and post their
choice - and the dream that determined their choice - on this
"Online Dream Telepathy Contest!" thread.
I'll post information on which image I actually "broadcast" on the
ASD General Discussion Board thread sometime Monday morning, March
11, 2002.
Good Luck!
Ed
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:05:33 -0000
From: "lswartzmiller" <lauren
Subject: Re: ASD Dream Telepathy Contest tonight
--- In dream-flow@y..., "dreambat13" <rcwilk@d...> wrote: > Hi all
- > I'll do an Online Dream Telepathy Contest this Saturday night-
Sunday > morning, March 9-10, 2002. This contest will work
similarly to those > held annually at ASD Conferences.
Ed,
I would have liked to have participated in this activity.
However, this was posted in the dream-flow group at 9:06 PM on
3/9/02, and I had no way of knowing that it was going on until
Sunday morning, when I picked up my e-mail.
While telepathic attempts/contacts can theoretically be done
without the subject's conscious awareness, and therefore all
dreams had for the night by those who read your note are
potential candidates and possible "winners", I should think that
if all parties had sufficient time to prepare, including
recipients having the opportunity to make the conscious effort to
remember/record their dreams for the night, you might have more
material to work with, and possibly a greater quantity of
positive results.
What a long-winded, run-on sentence THAT turned out to be <VBG>.
However, I think I got the point across. How about a wee bit more
warning next time, say 1-2 days? Now, if this message was
actually started in circulation 1-2 days prior, then I apologize.
If not, then please consider my suggestion for future contests.
Lauren
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 411
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. 2 nites prior to 911
From: Anonymous
2. warning of danger to come
From: Anonymous
3. going bald
From: Anonymous
4. slave house
From: Anonymous
5. Re: Digest Number 410
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:08:10 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: 2 nites prior to 911
dream_title: 2 nites prior to 911
dream_date: 9/9/01
dreamer_name: thcooper69
dream_text: i travel sometimes with job on this date i was
travelin to philadelphia and had pulled over at rest area to
sleep .i meditate and have use asteral projection tecnics prior
to sleep in the early mornin hours a man or spirit ?came to me in
my sleep and asked if wanted to see a bomb?sometimes i go
sometimes i ask to leave me alone so i may sleep .flyin thru air
with first person view we? enter thru rear tail up thru floor .i
move at cat level down middle row of seats we stop and voice
states that it is here floatin up to forth overhead baggage
compartment as if pearing thru {invisible}there is a metal box
aluminum like an camera alum box it has a kabar knife ,asortment
of other knives round black cilinders {pepper gas}stun type guns
ect twice i have been flying with this person and have looked
around for its voice {there is no one visible only its voice .{i
stated i gotta go to sleep thinkin this dont make sensce leavin
and somewhere back in vehicle i remember lookin up and seein
plane crash into large buildin .{it was a destubin dream
}especially a couple days later and this was one of the scenes
that occured on tv
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:09:19 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: warning of danger to come
dream_title: warning of danger to come
dream_date: jan
dreamer_name: thcooper69
dream_text: workin at job with friends we were changin out baffles
that collect .back blast of large jet engines {basicly a large
muffler }we were usin cable comealongs to move heavy steel.in a
dream one night this same voice in a dream came to me i like
nature and the woods ect so it asked to go for run .while runnin
down trail towards river there was a stump at waters edge as i
ran by it i noticed to small yellow finchs up in a flutter
together but actually frozen still {like just frozen in place i
turned back around and ran back to this because it was at eye
level while starin at this {i heard my bosses voice at this time
statin go away thomas this place is no good ,as i turned to look
for him he was 7 ft high above river and at the waters edge but
it was only his head {no body this was a very broad river {but it
was as if it was not movin as if caught {standin still }very
strange he said i must leave so i turned to run along waters edge
and back up trail at that moment i heard other co workers yellin
at me 20 yds above boss suspended was 3 of coworkers with there
full bodys just suspended {caught there 3 ft above water 3 ft out
from banks edge one was warning me to go away this place was
dangerous ,one was laughin cynically and was truly evil as i was
standin there i got to close and my left arm was sucked towards
the evil one {it seemed to stretch like 10 or 12 ft to him ,he
took it and started to tear at it with his teeth gnawing at it .as
i tryed to tear it away from him another was warnin me to leave
the job {go}somethin bad was gona happen to me {i yelled back u
know im not a quiter} {i cant just quit.i stated warn me prior
to incident he said i cant {i stated make me go pis at that time
he said yes>tearin my body away from the one i ran back up the
hill .the dream ended !the next day while movin large round plate
.i had to run to bath room .when i returned a man who was workin
with us was layin on ground screamin ,the guys had rigged it
wrong and several tons of steal had fell rolled around and {hurt
him}i was un injured
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:09:45 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: going bald
dream_title: going bald
dream_date: 2-12-02
dreamer_name: Moose
dream_text: I look in the mirror and realize that I have a two
long bald spots started from my temples to the crown of my head.
I think at first that it must stress, and I should eat better,
and then realize that it has been this way for some time, and the
hair is not going to grow back. I am embarrassed, and unhappy
about it.
dream_comments: I am a female, and am not losing my hair, so this
dream was not representative of my waking self.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:26:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: slave house
dream_title: slave house
dream_date: march 10
dreamer_name: phlanger orbyoma
dream_text: im an african slave in a house in the country im
alone,everyone is gone,i keep hearing noises that scare me and i
go threw a serious of doors but dont end up anywhere,just go
threw a loop of doors.im thinking of these 'special tattos' i
have that were invented in america but very few people have them.
going threw doors im frightened still and objects are in places
they shouldnt be,i come to a table with a box on it,the box has a
drawer with a handle on it,i open it,look inside and im even more
frightened,i run out of the house and head for the town,and think
while walking 'why did i have to open that drawer?!?!!?'
dream_comments: this dream was very vivid,real feeling,like an
astral projection,yet im a white male,in the dream i was an
african female,ive lived in the country before,years and years
ago,im not sure what to make of the drawer box,series of doors
really.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:06:08 -0000
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
Subject: Re: Digest Number 410
Hi, Lauren
The other big problem with Ed's experiment is that we don't even
know what country he's in. While it's night in, for example, the
U.S., it's morning over here.
If he's on the other side of the ocean and I saw his chosen images
in my dream, it won't be telepathy, just coincidence, because he
wouldn't have even selected them while I was sleeping. But if
we're in the same country, it could be real.
Cheers,
P Ingerson (I'm not a mutant, just a freak of nature!) ____
FI-ction * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fi-ction
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 412
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Digest Number 410
From: "lswartzmiller" <lauren
2. Theory Discussion Dream
From: Anonymous
3. death
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:05:24 -0000
From: "lswartzmiller" <lauren
Subject: Re: Digest Number 410
A very valid point. Now, in Ed's defense, he did say
"You can choose to tune into the image by "telepathy", "remote
viewing", or through precognition."
Now, lets say that you know when this telepathic attempt is
undertaken (i.e., 9 PM UT/GMT on 3/9/02), and the announcement is
made in a such a timely fashion that you can make the attempt to
at least concentrate on receiving the information. If asleep,
it's simply recording your dreams and submitting them. If awake
during the time of the send, it becomes more of a receive and
store the information for the mind to bring out in the dreamscape
when snooze time arrives in your time zone.
However, in both cases, as you pointed out, you need to know when
and where the sender undertakes this attempt at sending before you
can attempt either of these modes of receiving data.
Can't play the game if we don't really know when to show up for
it.
Lauren
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:50:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Theory Discussion Dream
dream_title: Theory Discussion Dream
dream_date: march 12th
dreamer_name: dreambat
dream_text: I am at a conference and its between presentations. I
am standing outside an three story brick building on a patio. Its
nicely decked out with tables of food, a small pool, fountain and
looks out over some well kept grounds in a rural area. I can't
stop eating the hors d'oeuvres, they are so delicious. For some
time I am alone
A journal editor comes out and asks if I have read her book. I
say yes and she asks me about some particular phases which I say
I don't recall. We both begin to read the book, which is now more
an article, and go over it line by line. (upon awakening, I
can't recall a word of this or what it was about). Afterwards she
shows me a new theory she is developing. Its a sheet of paper
with rows and columns of pictures, that begin looking like
branching amoeba and end up at the bottom looking like more
advanced trees, but still looking all quite similar. I say to
her that it appears she is coming up with some kind of theory
about the evolution of these entities. I don't recall her answer,
and she drifts back into the crowd inside as I look over the
paper and continue to eat more of the food.
dream_comments: The patio appears like the old Episcopal church
that I used to go to as a child with my grandmother.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:38:18 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: death
dream_title: death
dream_date: march 10th
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: someone had a dream that my 2 year old child died.
what does that mean, she is a close friend who adroes my child...
why?
dream_comments: i am worrried, should i be?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 413
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: death
From: eddie0787
2. Re: death
From: wendy frazetti <wfrazetti
3. Re: death
From: mara flynn <maramflynn
4. Re: death
From: mara flynn <maramflynn
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:43:53 EST
From: eddie0787
Subject: Re: death
yes
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:11:38 -0800 (PST)
From: wendy frazetti <wfrazetti
Subject: Re: death
when someone dreams of someone dieing it usually means there will
be a birth. what did the dream entail?
> dream_text: someone had a dream that my 2 year old > child
died. what does > that mean, she is a close friend who adroes my
> child... why? >
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Hyundai Taliban
From: Anonymous
2. Hedgehog
From: Anonymous
3. Redreams for `1/13: see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
From: Heratheta
4. Flying unicorn
From: Anonymous
5. strange
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:41 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Hyundai Taliban
dream_title: Hyundai Taliban
dream_date: 03/11/02
dreamer_name: lipsparklers18
dream_text: For the past few nights I have been dreaming that I
bought a new car, but the car is not new. The car has an
appearance of an old Granada. In this dream there is always a
key. I have one and some anonymous person has a copy. This key is
tiny and could not possibly fit in an ignition. The car was
called a Hyundai Taliban. Only the first dream included the
actual car. The other dreams included the key and trying to
obtain the car. What does all of this mean?
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:02 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Hedgehog
dream_title: Hedgehog
dream_date: 03/12/02
dreamer_name: lipsparklers18
dream_text: Last night I drempt that my boyfriend and i were
Grocery shopping. We split up to do our shopping. In this dream I
lost my keys. i searched frantically around the store. I asked
everyone if they had seen my keys. Then I found my boyfriend who
waved at me and said, "I found your keys." It was a hoax. He had
not found them. THis is where the dream turns odd. He turned into
a tiny hedgehog. He began to chase me around the store. Others
watched in amusement. My clothing had changed at this point in the
dream. I was wearing short shorts and a tube top. Then I was in
Home Depot. I was looking for the HR manager so that I could work
there. I could not find her. When I did, i was upset that she
was going out to lunch and could not see me. What does all this
mean?
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:53:28 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Redreams for `1/13: see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
cd interview in limbo on the above subject. pray for peace.
promised this month. but pending. a
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:20:05 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Flying unicorn
dream_title: Flying unicorn
dream_date: 03/11/02
dreamer_name: solarangel
dream_text: This is my daughter's dream. There was a large
unicorn flying in the sky at her father's house. There was
another unicorn running on the ground. No other information was
given.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:54:37 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: strange
dream_title: strange
dream_date: 03/13/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was putting my socks on and a girl told me to put
them inside out, so I went on and put my socks on inside out.
dream_comments: I think she told it was for a good reason
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 415
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Caterpillars on feet
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:07:52 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Caterpillars on feet
dream_title: Caterpillars on feet
dream_date: March 12, 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I dreamt that I had on the soles of my feet growths
that were comprised of skin and blood yet they resembled
caterpillars. I thought, "how am I to walk with these growths on
my feet? Can I cut them off, without bleeding to death?"
dream_comments: I can't figure the significance of this dream,
except it seems like I'm having a tough time discarding
something? Even if it's not necessarily something I want?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 416
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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. His Last Phone Call
From: Anonymous
2. Hottie
From: Anonymous
3. Teeth...bad dream
From: Anonymous
4. flying above sea or land with my lover
From: Anonymous
5. White to Red
From: Anonymous
6. Tidle Wave
From: Anonymous
7. Rahatsiz Guy
From: Anonymous
8. my x
From: Anonymous
9. cheating
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:50:20 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: His Last Phone Call
dream_title: His Last Phone Call
dream_date: January 2002
dreamer_name: Misty
dream_text: I'm at my mother's house and the phone rings. When I
pick it up, it's my dad. He asks how I'm doing and we talk a
little. Then he says, "Oh yeah, today is your lucky day. Today
you are going to join me." I said, "what do you mean"? and he
replies, "Don't worry about it, just look out for the figure
8"....then i woke up.
dream_comments: My dad died of cancer in December of 2000. ever
since then he visits me once in awhile in my dreams. this dream
was the last "phone call" I've had from him so far.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:48:22 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Hottie
dream_title: the boy
dream_date: 3/16/02
dreamer_name: Hottie
dream_text: I was at this family and friends party. there was
this boy there that i really was HOTT. My sister wanted to
introduce me to him. when she started to introduce me he left in
a car.
dream_comments: He was wearing a green pull over, and last night
when i really saw him he was wearing a yellow pull over
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:38:20 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Teeth...bad dream
dream_title: Teeth...bad dream
dream_date: march 11 2002
dreamer_name: Ziola
dream_text: I dreamt I was sleeping but awoke (from this point i
was aware i was dreaming) because i felt one of my front teeth
was loose. I got up and found myself in my chilhood home and
looking for my mumm but she wasn't there. I went from room to
room looking for her but she had already left for work. I then
realised that it wasn't just one tooth that was loose but it was
my whole upper jaw that had broken into peices. It wasn't painful
but I was really really worried that I wouldn't be able to get to
a dentist to fix it...it's a public holiday today. I got in the
car to drive to a dentist that would be open, but as I drove I
kept finding people i knew who needed lifts. I drove them around
in the car with me looking for a dentist, but we kept haveing to
stop for silly things like playing football or flying kites...and
each time we stopped bits of my teeth would fall out and i'd have
to fit them all back into my mouth and pull my lips around them
to stop them from falling out. I was completely freaking out by
this stage but couldn't find a dentist. I woke up just as i
pulled up at a 24Hr dentist. I had a terrible feeling of dread
all morning.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:38:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: flying above sea or land with my lover
dream_title: flying above sea or land with my lover
dream_date: 11/03/2002
dreamer_name: king
dream_text: yesterday i dreamed in early morning when i am about
to get out of bed...
i am flying with my lover like a magic sheet or something we stood
over it and flying above a sea
i never saw any films before that day like flying like this...
before some months i had this same dream with a small change as
flying above a hill..
dream_comments: since this dream occurs twice i like to know the
results it has....send the results to my mail
id.....rajamet@yahoo.com..use this real mail id
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:14:03 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: White to Red
dream_title: White to Red
dream_date: October 15th, 2001
dreamer_name: Rachel
dream_text: I dreamt that I was in a completely white room. I was
also dressed in white. I was sitting in a glass box, with my
feet nailed to the floor, but there was no blood running from
them. In this dream, I am looking at a black, blurry figure,
which is standing directly in front of me.. It (the figure) is
the size of a grown man and seems to be shaking. It begins to
speak, quiet at first and then louder. It says "It's back."
It's voice sounds like that of a child. All of a sudden the room
goes dark. I can't hear or see anything. The next thing I see
is me, running through the white room; the glass box is gone and
my feet are no longer nailed to the floor. I keep looking back,
as if something is chasing me, I can see blood dripping from my
feet (from whre the nails were). All of a sudden I fall, when I
look up everything is red. Then, I wake up.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:37:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Tidle Wave
dream_title: Tidle Wave
dream_date: 3/2/2002
dreamer_name: dreammirror
dream_text: I was in a city and it seemed to be New York. I was
also by an ocean and I saw from the corner of my eye this huge
wave coming to shore and it was like a wall of water as high as
the tallest building. I knew that it was a tidle wave and that
there was nothing I could do. I could hear people screaming and
they were running for their lives.I was also terrified of what I
saw as I knew that we were all going to die. Suddenly though as
I realized that we were going to lose our lives and there was
nothing that we could do, (I could do), I had a sense of almost
peace as I was ready to face my own death. It was certainly out
of my control and a force much greater than I was!!!!!
dream_comments: I would be interested in other peoples dreams of
disaster and what they think theor dream means in their own life.
My email address is Joyof_Art@msn.com (Please use my e-mail )
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:39:36 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Rahatsiz Guy
subject: Dream Flow for Electric Dreams
dreamer_name: Rahatsiz Guy
dream_text: i saw this dream many times. i am in the toilet
sitting on the closet and there are people seeing me when i am
resting there and i feel terribly annoyed. i say myself 'what am
i gonna do? i need to be alone in here. these people will see me
when i am cleaning myself'. so i feel very much annoyed by the
presence of other people around.
dream_comments: i saw this dream in different forms . the place
teh people change but the main theme is the same. so i didn't
include a dream date.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:39:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: my x
dream_title: my x
dream_date: 03/12/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I keep having dreams about my ex boyfriend from a very
long time ago, In the dream he is trying to get back with me and
he is also heavly into drugs in my dreams as he is also in real
life. he seems to be asking me for help and when i wake up I
always feel guilty as I am now married and have a child.
dream_comments: I feel that there is something wrong with my ex in
real life and I need to help him in someway.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:15:27 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: cheating
dream_title: cheating
dream_date: 3-14-02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was dreaming of my spouse having sex with another
woman, and also taking a shower with that person.
dream_comments: I didn't like the dream at all. Could you please
tell me why I was dreaming that?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 417
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. I do not like this guy, but I am falling in love
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:36:19 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: I do not like this guy, but I am falling in love
dream_date: 3-17-02
dreamer_name: Hannah
dream_text: I am telling my self that I do not like this guy, but
I am falling in love with him. Everyday at school he will not
look me in the eyes. He turns away when I pass by him. I finally
ask him out and he says yes. We go out and after a while get
maried. I ask him why he would never look me in the eye and he
said because my eyes were his weakness.
dream_comments: In reall life not in my dream I like the guy but
the guy i get married to in my dream is not the guy I like. And
the guy in the dream really wont look me in the eye( he has aked
me out before but I said no). What does this mean?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 418
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. what the hell?
From: Anonymous
2. Re: what the hell?
From: Heratheta
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:10:11 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: what the hell?
dream_title: what the hell?
dream_date: 3 17 2002
dreamer_name: bootlegger
dream_text: i was put in jail for whatever reason,i dont know. it
was like this big circle. like a dome. i was in a big white
bubble like place.there were these benches that went around the
circle to sit on but they were slanted forward to where you could
not comfortably sit without sliding off. if you slid off, you
would drop down into a big bottomless pit. i had this weird
circle device around my thigh.i looked down at it and it looked
like a record album made around my thigh. it was hard to move
with it on. my legs would not close because it was in the way.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:22:27 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: what the hell?
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 419
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. just friends?
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:24:19 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: just friends?
dream_title: just friends?
dream_date: 3-19-02
dreamer_name: LiL dreamy
dream_text: I dreamed that I was with one of my best friends and
now i feel like I really like him.
dream_comments: What dose this mean?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 420
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: just friends?
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
2. I wish i knew
From: Anonymous
3. Toothbrushes
From: Anonymous
4. Kaiwos Tribe
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:09:36 -0000
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
Subject: Re: just friends?
Hi, Lil Dreamy.
I'm no dream expert, but I hope you don't mind if I jump in
anyway. This sounds like a normal type of dream.
Your feelings for your friend could have been growing for some
time, without you noticing. But your subconscious noticed, and it
was using the dream to work out if these feelings are a good thing
or not.
Trouble is, you haven't given enough detail about what happened in
the dream for us to know what your subconscious decided. But it
hasn't put a stop to those feelings IRL, in fact it's letting them
grow so they're now strong enough for you notice them yourself,
it's probably decided they're Ok.
Hope that helps.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:52:16 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: I wish i knew
dream_title: I wish i knew
dream_date: 3-20-2001
dreamer_name: Herman
dream_text: I was getting hit on by someone i didn't know.....and
then i wanted to knee him...but he was to fast...i kept trying
and he kept blocking...so then i thought if i pretended i wanted
to sleep with him then i could knee him...but then he was trying
to rape me. and i couldn't stop him. and then all the sudden a
co-worker that i work with stept in and threw him off the bed,
and then him and me continued in making out and whatnot.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:15:34 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Toothbrushes
ream_title: Toothbrushes
dream_date: 3-19-02
dreamer_name: jamie
dream_text: i was at my sister's graduation party even though she
is only a junior in high school. I was waiting for Kenny, my
crush, to come to her party so i could see him. he drove by in a
yellow car, but didn't stop in. Then, he came back in a white
car. I ran in the house because i was so embarassed. The porch
had like 20 steps. Anyway, I walked back out and started to talk
to him like we were best friends in the whole world. My dad came
out yelling that Kenny had to go because i was to busy to talk to
him. Then, my dad gave him four toothbrushes from my aunt. Two
of the toothbrushes were used and one of them was mine. Kenny
was like oh my god i've been waiting for these. Then, he gave me
my sister's graduation present. He asked me one question before
he left which was Why did you invite me if your dad doesn't like
me? and i answered well, me and shelly, my sister, like you. he
left. When i opened shelly's present it was a toothbrush!!!
dream_comments: it was really weird. i woke up and remembered
everything in detail.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:01:03 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Kaiwos Tribe
dream_title: Kaiwos Tribe
dream_date: 24.3.2002
dreamer_name: SEPULTURA
dream_text: i dreamed that i am joining the kaiwos tribe they
commiting suecide action against the govermment ........ i saw the
girl i love in this dream... she was one of the tribe members....
damn i am scared...
dream_comments: last hope...
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