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Electric Dreams Volume 08 Issue 06
"Listen to your dreams, they are talking to you!"
Patricia Garfield
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June 2001
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ Notes to the Editor/Dream Airing
Computer Survey
++ Interview: Patricia Garfield, Ph.D.
The Universal Dream Key
Interviewed by Richard Wilkerson
++ Poem: "early dreaming"
By Alan Sondheim
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
Beyond Lucidity
By Lucy Gillis
++ Article: The Waking Lucid Dream
By Tony Crisp
++ Column: The Dream Doctor
By Charles McPhee, Ph.D.
++ Article: Special Section: C.O.M.P.U.T.E.R D.R.E.A.M.S
Digital Dreaming: Emergence or Replacement Imagery?
Plus selections from the Computer Dream Survey
By Richard Wilkerson
G L O B A L * D R E A M I N G * N E W S - Peggy Coats
NEWS * RESEARCH & REQUESTS * WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES *
* DREAM CALENDAR for June & July 2001 * ASD News Update!
D R E A M S S E C T I O N :
This issue includes volume #173 - #222
D E A D L I N E :
June 20, deadline for JULY submissions
M.U.T.U.A.L D.R.E.A.M T.A.R.G.E.T
We are re-focusing on the Mutual Dream Circle, which meets
the 21st of each month. See details below.
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Welcome to the June issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to
dreams and dreaming online. If you are new to Electric
Dreams, please see our January 2001 issue for an
introduction and guide to dreaming online.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues
This month we are fortunate to have with us one of the Dream
Titans, Patricia Garfield, Ph.D. Dr. Garfield's impact on
the world of dreaming is now beyond calculation, and any
summaries or estimates I might make are sure to fall short
of the real scope and range of her influence. Still, I have
included a quick summary below. Here I will only mention
that her new book is out. In this, her seventh book, The
Universal Dream Key, Garfield synthesizes a lifetime of
dreamwork and provides a set of thematic categories with
which to discuss our most common dreams. In an interview
below conducted by Electric Dreams, Patricia Garfield
discusses the book and many other topics in dreamwork.
After such a wide ranging discussion, you may be ready for a
poetic break. "early dreaming" is a poem provided by Alan
Sondheim, who is a poet, critic, and theorist who writes on
and about the Internet. His books include Disorders of the
Real, and the anthology Being on Line, but he is best know
as one of the most on-line writers/posters of the Internet,
creating, distributing, re-writing, re-distributing and
reproducing the differences that make up life online, making
sense and sensuality through text. In this poem, written
like an update of Henry Miller's Black Spring, Sondheim not
only captures so many funny dream themes and dream theories,
but releases them down a personal dream stream, distributing
a flow of recurring puns, thoughts, observations in an
oneiric river of sense and nonsense.
Tony Crisp and his fellow researchers are pushing the boundaries of what dreams and
dreaming mean and discovering healing processes in this journey. "We have noticed that
as people learn the way of dropping the suppression of their ability to dream consciously,
they can begin to tap the functions of dreaming when they wish." Crisp feels that he has
begun demonstrating that these abilities can extend into what we normally call waking
consciousness as well. Be sure to read "The Waking Lucid Dream" by Tony
Crisp.
The excerpt from Lucy Gillis's "Lucid Dream Exchange" also
focuses on the outer reaches of lucid dreaming. In this
month's example, the dreamer attempts a meditative state
inside of a lucid dream experience. Read the results of this
experiment in Beyond Lucidity.
Charles McPhee, author of Stop Sleeping Through Your Dreams
and the director of the Dream Doctor website returns to
comment on dreams. http://www.dreamdoctor.com
The Computer Dreams this month include selections from the
Feb-March survey and an essay I have included on computer
dreams. Researchers that need the full collection can
contact me for the raw data and many variables not included
here. These dreams re-printed here are to facilitate
discussion and ideas on how to move ahead with the project,
which includes not only studying computer dreams, but all
the effects of the Digital Revolution and the human-machine
interface. This includes abstractions such as the viral
infection of the digital in the analog, as well as the
connection/interface in our dreamscape of computers,
cyborgs, robots, Borgs, androids and other human-machine
concoctions.
It is quite fascinating how the computer has leapt into
both our waking and dreaming lives. Are these dreams, as
some feel, simply an appearance and reflection of our
concerns about computers in the waking world, or is it, as
the inner world explorers suggest, a new symbol that is
rising up from the depths to give us new meaning and value
in life? Or are they something else quite unexpected? Be
sure to read "Digital Dreaming: Emergence or Replacement
Imagery?" and then look through the dreams yourself.
Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has
gathered dreaming news from around the world, events,
conferences, and seminars.
I wanted to point out two news items here.
The first is the ASD Dream Time Live with Stephen Laberge,
Ph.D. on June 6th, 2001. For details, stop by the ASD site
http://www.asdreams.org
Also, the final day to register for the ASD Dream
Conference, 2001 Dream Odyssey, is June 15, 2001. This
conference (July 10-15) is NOT TO BE MISSED! Drop whatever
plans you have for anything else this year and come to the
conference! Besides the BEST education in dreams and
dreaming, you will also get to meet the top dream
researchers, clinicians, authors, artists, writers and
dreamworkers in the field! And the fun just never stops. At
the end, there is a Dream Ball, where we all come dressed as
our favorite Dream Characters. Some people come to the
conference just for the Dream Ball, it is that fantastic.
Come as you are, but be sure to be in Santa Cruz UCSC for
this event.
http://www.asdreams.org/2001
If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy,
send them to her at pcoats@dreamtree.com
Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the
Net and have been organized by the software developed by
Harry Bosma. Be sure to look through the dreams and see what
on the mind and soul of dreamers in Cyberspace.
If you would like a cover for your Electric Dreams, the
cover is at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers
If you have ever wondered how you can contribute an article
to Electric Dreams, here is your chance: We are having a
special issue on the Future of Dreaming. Get your thinking
caps on and send me your essays! Details below in the Global
Dreaming News.
-Richard Wilkerson
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Dream Airing:
News, Notes and Events
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Strephon Kaplan-Williams now has a weekly dream related
newsletter that looks into issue of spirit and soul. To sign
up stop by his site at
http://www.dreamwork2000.com/Sitemap/email.html
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Want to chat about dreams?
So you have seen it all and done everything there is to do
in dreamwork. For you, Electric Dreams offers the further
reaches of dreamwork. On the outer edge, the community
explores postmodern dreamwork, transhumanist dreamwork,
mutual dreaming, lucid dreaming and psi dreaming. Imagine
dreamwork at trans-warp drive speeds. Open a sub-space
portal and teledream though. A good place to start here is
with the dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com list. Stop by
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dreamchatters
for more information.
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Survey online:
Are you having dreams about computers?
As I mentioned last month, I have expanded the Computer
Dreams survey to include not just digital dreams, but also
dreams about robots, cyborgs, androids and other beings and
scenarios that look at the human-machine interface. Be sure
to drop off your computer dreams and fill out the survey at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/computers/
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Patricia Garfield, Ph.D. is now offering TWO free chapters
from her past books: Dreams and Children as well as
Childbirth/Pregnancy Dreams.
http://www.patriciagarfield.com
Also, you will find Patricia Garfield's many other books,
her public appearance schedule, notes and information about
the making of the book The Universal Dreams Key.
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Mutual Dream Healing Circle
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Dreamshare members ( a moderated, egalitarian on-line group
for exploring the life and meanings of the dream-world) have
initiated a dream-healing concentration, to be held in the
consciousness of participants on the night of the 21st. of
each month. Before going to sleep at night, please hold the
thought, prayer, or concentration in your consciousness of
bringing healing energy to those who have so requested. you
may use whatever practices are important or helpful to you
in effecting this healing state.
There will be a list of names or circumstances of those who
have specifically requested to be included in our thoughts
and prayers. Please observe the general decorum of distance
healing work in many traditions and do not add anyone to the
list without his or her express approval...you may wish to
hold in your consciousness someone else you know who is in
need of healing energy and send them that energy, but please
do respect everyone's rights to self-determination and
privacy. my feeling is that someone who has asked you for
thoughts and prayers can be included here as well.
Feel free to contact Judith, c/o
<dreamshare-owner@yahoogroups.com> if you would like to be
included in the list or for more information.
On awakening, you may wish to pay special attention to
recalling your dreams and, if you wish, you may submit them
to< Dreamshare-owner@yahoogroups.com> for inclusion on our
list.
Anyway, that's about it for now. Take care, Judith
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Interview with Patricia Garfield, Ph.D.
The Universal Dream Key
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Interviewed by Richard Wilkerson
Since the early 1970's Patricia Garfield's influence on the
development of the Dream Movement has been monumental. She
is a co-founder of the Association for the Study of Dreams
and has been publishing her research for nearly 30 years.
Her work has always been acclaimed as providing a balance of
research, personal experience and clear understandings of
dreaming and its creative applications in life. Her first
book _Creative Dreaming_ is still in publication and
continues to bring new dreamers into productive relations
with their dreams and lives in thirteen different languages.
The creative dreamwork approach has been a model for most
dreamwork taught since that time. Her continued efforts and
research into the creative wisdom of dreams over the years
have produced some of our most important and in-depth
dreamworks. In _Pathway to Ecstasy_, Patricia Garfield drew
together many of the developing trends in the 1970's, such a
feminism & the goddess movement, lucidity and spiritual
transcendence, and the growing awareness of Eastern
spirituality and Jungian psychology. In the 1984 _Your
Child's Dreams_, Patricia Garfield returns to the very
practical matter of how to raise children in a way where we
don't abuse their dream life and tell them "Its just a
dream." However, the book is more than a how-to guide for
handling nightmares, its a journey for all of us back
through our childhood and the dreams we left there. In 1988
_Women's Bodies, Women's Dreams_ came out and provided a
companion piece to women's attempt to see themselves as
having a unique passage through life as seen in the unique
cycles, births, deaths and healing that are unique to women.
By 1991 her research on healing expanded to include the
dreams of all-bodies and souls. Her commitment to bringing
her personal experiences and research to the general public
in the service of healing and wholeness is found in _The
Healing Power of Dreams_. In 1997, her exploration and
research had covered the full traditional developmental
cycle and began to focus on how dreams of the departed not
only address the wounds of the death of others, but can help
us develop our own spiritual journey. This research was
published in _The Dream Messenger_. (See a full
bibliography and notes about finding these books below).
Perhaps it was only natural at this point for Patricia
Garfield to note that dreams seemed to collect thematically
like folktales and myths, butterflies and birds. (Actually
she says in her book a question like this had been simmering
for some time.) The results of this research, the themes
and the meaning people attribute to them, is the topic of
her latest book, _The Universal Dream Key: The Twelve Most
Common Themes Around the World_.
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Richard C. Wilkerson [RCW]: We are indeed fortunate to have
Patricia Garfield, Ph.D. join us for an electronic interview
here at Electric Dreams.
Dr. Garfield, hello and welcome!
Patricia Garfield, Ph.D. [PG]:
Thank you, Richard. It's fun to chat with you about dreams.
You always have a fresh slant on things.
[RCW]: For those who haven't read your book, or visited
your website :
http://www.patriciagarfield.com
I thought you could give us brief list or overview of the
twelve types before getting into questions about them.
[PG]: Yes, see below for the list. [at the end of the
interview -R] These are the types of dream themes that I
find are shared by many cultures, across time what I call
"universal dreams."
[RCW]: About the origins of the book. You wrote that this
idea had been simmering for sometime. What brought these
'simmerings' together to the point you knew you wanted to
research this more?
[PG]: I think it was being invited to be the President of
the Association for the Study of Dreams for 1998-9. I knew
I'd have to give a presidential address in Hawaii at our
annual meeting. Wanting to present something new and
intriguing forced me to mull over the ideas on my back
burner to cook up a new dream dish.
[RCW]: You are one of the first dream researchers in dreams
to realize that the Internet could be used for research. How
did that work for you? Do you feel others who read your
book will also do more online research in dreams?
[PG]: As we know, the possibilities of the Internet are
staggering. What better way to compare a limited number of
dream themes in different cultures with a standardized
survey? Time and expense constraints made the net a good
choice. Of course, in-depth dream work with individuals
adds value. This is where my many years of dream
exploration with people of various cultures over the years
became useful. The method of collecting dreams via the
Internet worked amazingly well for me. I was truly
astonished at the breadth of information people provided,
the number of people from different countries who
participated, and the multitude of languages they spoke. I
wouldn't be surprised to see other dream researchers using a
similar effective approach.
In the same way that information can be collected rapidly
over the Internet we can distribute it swiftly. For
example, I've provided a free download of the most requested
chapter from my out-of-print book Your Child's Dreams at the
Library on my website. Distributing new or hard-to-find
information or ideas over the Net is quick and easy.
[RCW]: Do you have any advice for other dream researchers
that would like to conduct research online?
[PG]: Yes, make the analysis as automated as possible from
the outset. At the beginning of my study I simply recorded
the collected dreams into a table, computing the results by
hand. After I set up Excel worksheets to enter a summary of
the dream, it was infinitely easier to calculate the
results, such as percentages of people who had this dream,
how many were males or females, what the dreamer's age was
and the country of residence. This had to be done for each
of the twelve categories so the paperwork/computerwork got
to be cumbersome. Any automation of it makes the task
easier.
[RCW]: Why Twelve? How did you come up with that number of
Universal Themes? Is there an order to these from one to
twelve?
[PG]: When I considered all the types of repetitive dream
themes I've heard over the years, twelve seemed to finish
the classification. Of course, twelve is a number heavy
with symbolic significance the stuff of dreams.
Symbolically twelve is a number of perfection or completion.
It shares with the circle the idea of wholeness. It's
cosmic. Think of the twelve months of the year, based on
the twelve moon cycles; the twelve hours of the day and of
the night; the twelve Zodiac houses. Then there's the twelve
Apostles, the twelve nights of Christmas, the twelve tribes
of Israel, the twelve knights of King Arthur, Hercules
twelve labors, and so forth. We are even told there are
twelve nerves to the human brain.
When I started to formulate this classification, I thought
there might be an order to the twelve categories of dreams,
but only the first theme, being Chased or Attacked, proved
to be first for most people.
[RCW]: There are positive and negative sides to each of
these themes, like the Being Chased and Attacked has its
flip side of Being Embraced or Loved. Can you tell us a
little about why they have two sides and are now just more
categories?
[PG]: Yes. Every action has its opposite action. In a
dream of being Chased or Attacked, we are usually running
away from the frightening animal, object, evil person or
force; we try to prevent their harmful touch. In a dream of
being Loved or Embraced, we move toward the animal, object,
or loving person; we want to touch and be lovingly held.
The direction of our behavior is reversed.
In some dream themes, the positive pole is actually more
commonly reported than the negative one. For instance,
people often describe to me dreams about being Guided by a
Spirit, whereas dream about being Menaced by a Spirit are
less frequent. However, I have included this dream category
among the twelve basic negative ones because they are so
traumatic to the individual who experiences them. They are
important not because they are so common but because they
are so significant.
[RCW]: What suggestions do you have for those who have
dreams that they can't fit into these categories?
[PG]: I think of the twelve Universal Dream themes as being
basic building blocks. Our incredibly complex minds often
weave stories using these basic units as part of larger
structures, with additional, highly imaginative elements.
If we can better understand the basic themes, we'll have a
head start toward comprehending our more intricate ones.
I do find that some people don't readily recognize that
their dream contains some basic elements. One dreamer for
instance wrote to me to complain that the disturbing dream
didn't fit any of my categories; the dreamer went on to
describe a horrific nightmare about being operated on and
damaged. To my mind, it fits perfectly into the category of
Injury or Death.
When a dream truly doesn't correspond to any of the
Universal Dream themes we need to work on it using other
approaches. Break down the dream into key images. Then
explore each of these step-by-step. It's like getting
definitions for words in a foreign language. Soon the
meaning of the entire message begins to emerge. I've
provided a couple of my favorite dream work tools in the
Appendix of The Universal Dream Key.
[RCW]: There is a difference between the larger themes and
what you call motifs. Can you explain the difference and
how this works in the system?
[PG]: Yes, the larger themes are comparable to a broad
general class. In biology, we call this the genus. The
motifs are comparable to what we call the species in
biology, different variations of the overall theme. For
instance, we may dream about having trouble with a car or
some other form of transportation. I call this general
class of dream Car or Other Vehicular Trouble. But the
specific examples of it vary: we may dream about losing our
brakes, going too fast, crashing into another car, being
driven by a crazy driver, or many of the other minor themes.
These smaller themes I call motifs.
A Universal Dream theme may make up the entire dream.
Recurrent dreams are often a single theme of this type.
However, and here is where it may get tricky, one Universal
Dream theme (or more) may be only a part of a larger dream,
thus becoming a motif. For instance, we may dream about Car
Trouble as the whole dream. Or, Car Trouble may be only one
part of an involved dream which may also include Being Naked
in Public, Injury or Death, and other motifs. The basic
Universal Dream themes may become elements, or building
blocks, of an overall dream with a complex structure.
[RCW]: And what other factors do you see affecting these?
[PG]: I think there are four components that shape our
Universal Dream patterns: our biological heritage; our
general cultural heritage; our local subculture; and our
personal experience. To give one example of the latter, a
man who violently lost his temper during the day dreamed
that night about a cap to his car's tank exploding. All the
elements of our physical being, our beliefs and ideas, as
well as our daily life are condensed into the images of our
dreams.
[RCW]: How do you see dream researchers using your new
system?
[PG]: The system probably needs a lot of refining before
it's a valid research tool, but I've tried to organize a
beginning.
A researcher who wants to explore one type of Universal
Dream could start with the array of motifs I found in this
theme among the dreams of the 500 people from 40 countries;
these are given in the Appendix. Collecting his or her own
material, or examining material already gathered in the same
category, the researcher could see whether the same motifs
emerge, and note additional ones. Comparing and contrasting
results almost always teaches us something useful. If we
compile several studies on the same theme, we may gradually
expand our understanding of it, as expressed in different
cultures. I was fascinated to observe how the villains in
Chase or Attack dreams varied according to local threats,
local myths, and local television and movie input.
[RCW]: I liked the added graphs and graphics in the book.
The icons in the book for each Theme make it easy to use and
fun to read, but that appendix is really elaborate and well
organized. How do you see people using the Theme Appendix?
[PG]: Of course, my main audience is not researchers, but
dreamers who want to understand their own dreams at present.
I hope people who have a dream with one of the universal
themes will be able to recognize it as such, locate it in
the Appendix, and consult the meaning given there for this
variation of the theme. I also hope the graphics or icons
for each dream type will make it easy to refer to the
section on that theme.
[RCW]: For dreamworkers, it is a small step from dream
theme to dream meaning, but for some not familiar with
dreamwork, this may be a larger leap. Can you say a little
about how you assigned the various meanings to each of the
themes and motifs?
[PG]: You know that I've been studying dreams for a long
time. I started a dream journal when I was fourteen, and
I'm still keeping it at age sixty-six, more than 50 years
later. Naturally I've noticed correspondences between what
was happening in my waking life and the dreams that emerged
around the same time. So part of the meanings I give is
understandably personal. They are also based on years of
professional dreamwork with individual dreamers, exploring
their associations to the dream images. Sometimes people
who participated in my website survey volunteered
information pertinent to their dreams that clarified their
meaning. There is also a large body of dream literature I
considered.
Remember that, with Universal Dreams, we are mostly dealing
with dreams that are widely reported and frequently
experienced. This allows us to rely more heavily on the
meanings they seem to have for most people. However, there
are always idiosyncratic differences we need to consider.
I've tried to provide a guide to lead the neophyte dreamer
through the maze of meaning; I think skilled dreamworkers
will also find new and useful information.
[RCW]: It turned out from your research that the most
common dream theme was being chased or attacked. Why do you
feel this is such a prevalent dream?
[PG]: We don't really know, but I suspect it may originate
in experiences of our ancestors who were literally chased by
wild animals or enemy tribespeople, in danger of our lives.
The imagery of being Chased or Attacked has become a
metaphor for feeling threatened in our waking life. The
actual situation may be relatively mild, such as a sensed
competitor for our job. In some cases, the threat is all
too real, as I've found in studying the dreams of sexually
or physically abused women.
[RCW]: The Telephone and Machine Malfunctions vs Smooth
Operations theme is one we often explore here on Electric
Dreams. It is not, however, one of the more frequently
reported themes, is it?
[PG]: You're right. About twenty-five percent of the 500
dreamers in my study reported this type of dream theme.
Although that's not an insignificant number, I anticipate
that this theme will occur more often as electronic
communication becomes even more widespread than it is now.
You and readers of Electric Dreams will be in a good
position to follow this theme over the coming years.
[RCW]: The notion of the machine as a metaphor of the body
seems very interesting and productive. How did you come
across this idea?
[PG]: I'm not sure where or when I first became aware of
the connection, but as I recorded my dreams I often noticed
a close association between the operation of machines or
equipment in my dreams and actual menstrual periods,
pregnancy, childbirth, and physical illness or recovery from
it. To give one example, I dreamed about a faucet stuck on,
causing a sink to overflow, one night just prior to the
onset of my menstrual flow/blood.
[RCW]: So Patricia, what was your favorite theme to write
about or dream about?
[PG]: I particularly enjoy having dreams of the type I call
Natural Beauty, Miracles, or Rituals. They are the opposite
pole of Disaster Dreams. The ones that I wake from feeling
uplifted and full of wonder are a delight both to dream and
to re-experience when I write about them. These dreams give
a sense of connection with something extraordinary, almost
magical, mystical.
[RCW]: Do you have any favorite dreams of your own in this
theme you can share with us?
[PG]: Happily, yes. One of my all time favorite dreams is
one I call "The Ritual Dance of Loga-Shana." It was a
powerful expression of a wish to blend beauty of spirit and
wisdom, not something I consciously thought about, but that
emerged in the drama of a dream dance of invoking goddesses.
And the flying dreams "The Great Steering Wheel" and "Flying
to the Moon." And and
[RCW]: Electric Dreams readers always want to know what
dream researchers and authors are reading themselves.
What's your favorite dream book written by someone else?
[PG]: Hmm that's a tough one. One recent book I like very
much is Anthony Steven's book Ariadne's Clue: A Guide to the
Symbols of Humankind (Princeton University Press, 1999).
The dream reference I like for its mythological and folklore
content is Ad de Vries Dictionary of Symbols and Imagery
(Amsterdam: Elsevier Science Publishers, 1984), but it's
very hard to find.
[RCW]: When you originally began working with others to
create the Association for the Study of Dreams, there was
very little going on in the world in the way of coordinating
efforts in dream studies. Did you think that it would become
an international forum for so many fields; psychology,
anthropology, biology, writing, arts, dreamwork,
spirituality and telecommunications?
[PG]: We did think an organization like ASD was possible
and needed. It has certainly fulfilled that "dream."
However, we had no idea what hard work was involved in
developing an international forum and how much business and
administrative skills were needed to keep it functioning.
[RCW]: Besides pioneering dream organizations, research
topics and new areas in dreaming and dreamwork, you have
also inspired many people to join the field and create a
career for themselves. Do you have any advice for people
who are interested in dreams and want to make a career that
is related to dreams and dreaming?
[PG]: Study your own dreams intensely, along with how they
vary with your daily experience. There is so much you can
learn from yourself. Those dreamworkers who have gone
before can provide a variety of tools and techniques, but
the motivation to understand yourself, to discover how your
mind creates its own language of pictures, is something only
you can do. It's a wondrous adventure.
[RCW]: Dick Cavet said this was an author's least favorite
question, but I have to ask anyway: Do you have plans for
another book?
[PG]: Well, there are some other pots of book ideas still
simmering on the back burners. I'll sample the contents and
see how they taste now.
[RCW]: I know you are quite busy now with your book tours
and appearances, and so I wanted to thank you for taking the
time to being with us here at Electric Dreams. If our
readers would like to meet with you, is there a listing of
your appearances?
[PG]: Yes, you can always stop by my website and look at
the Schedule of appearances. Your readers will also
probably want to know about the ASD conference being held
this July at Santa Cruz, California. It's a great place to
meet fellow dreamers, learn new approaches to dreamwork, and
polish old dream skills. They can get more information
about it at
http://www.asdreams.org/2001
[RCW]: OK, and we are providing more information below
about your site and books. Thanks again!
[PG]: That was fun, Richard! As usual, you make me think.
Thanks for asking.
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Universal Dream Themes : From the online questionnaire
1.0
Being Chased or attacked by something or somebody? Wild
animals, evil persons, monsters, supernatural beings,
"things" and so forth.
1.5
Embrace or Love? The mirror opposite of dreams of fleeing
from a dangerous pursuer are those in which the dreamer
happily embraces another. These figures may be animal or
human (celebrities, movie stars, politicians, royals),
angels, imaginary people, or the boy or girl next door. The
defining element of this category is pleasurable physical
contact.
2.0
Being injured or dying by accident? Falling, getting hurt,
being hit by a car, being sick, dying, etc.
2.5
Healing or Rebirth ? The opposite to dreams of injury or
death are those dreams in which we become healed or reborn.
3.0
Having trouble with a car or other vehicle? Finding your
brakes are gone, running out of gas, obstacles in the road,
etc.
3.5
Driving Well? Few dreams fall into this category, but when
they do they are extremely significant, suggesting easier
access to skills for coping with difficult life situations.
4.0
Losing valuables or having damage to your house or other
property? Your purse or wallet is missing or stolen, a
special ring is gone, your house burned down, your plants
are destroyed, books torn up, household goods broken.
4.5
House or Property Improvement? The opposite of dreams
about House or Property Damage or Loss is House or Property
Improvement. Here, also, is where our dreams of
reconstruction and remodeling occur.
5.0
Having trouble taking a test or performing onstage?
You can't find the room where the text is taking place, you
haven't read the books for the test, the questions are for a
different course, you are in the wrong play, etc.
5.5
Performing Well?
Of course, dreams about speeding through a test and
knowing you're doing well, or performing superbly in an
event, speak of a different level of confidence in the
dreamer. These dreams may serve as rehearsal for an
approaching performance.
6.0
Falling or drowning? You are falling through the air
without support, you are sinking in water and can't breathe,
etc.
6.5
Flying, Swimming, or Dancing Joyfully? Whizzing along in
space, feeling the wind, sensing a delicious
freedom is probably the all-time favorite dream. Although
this theme may evolve as an escape out of a fearful
situation, dream flying soon becomes a
joy-filled activity. A similar feeling of pleasure can
emerge in dreams of moving effortlessly through water.
7.0
Being naked or inappropriately dressed in public? You
suddenly realize you have no clothes on while at the office,
school, or market, you are only partially dressed, you are
wearing the wrong outfit for the occasion, etc.
7.5
Well-dressed? The opposite of naked or ill-dressed-in-
public-dreams are those in which we find ourselves wearing
beautiful clothing. These dreams sometimes refer to
satisfaction with the appearance of our bodies, or may refer
to a situation in which we feel that we "fit" well.
8.0
Missing the boat, train, bus, plane or other transport? You
are rushing to catch some transport and it leaves without
you.
8.5
Travelling Happily? The opposite of dreams in which
problems arise around a vehicle are
those relatively few dreams in which travel proceeds
exceptionally well.
Trips to fantastic places and past or future times also are
featured here.
9.0
Having trouble operating a telephone or other machine? You
have trouble getting through to your party, you get cut off,
loose the connection, have a fuzzy line, struggle with some
malfunctioning machine, etc.
9.5
Smooth Machine Operation? The converse of trouble with
machines is dreaming in which we make easy, clear
connections or machines that operate smoothly suggest
improvements in our emotional connections. Many of the
dreamers who participated in my study of dreams during
bereavement reported dreams of clear connections with their
deceased parent, spouse, or child. In these cases, the
dreamers received messages in the dreams that dramatically
helped them cope with their losses.
10.0
Being in a natural disaster or in a manmade one such as
war? You are caught in a tidal wave, flood, earthquake,
fire, you are in the midst of a war, exploding bombs,
pollution, etc.
10.5
Natural Beauty, Miracles, or Rituals? The opposite of
dreams in which natural or manmade disasters occur are those
dreams in which the dreamer is inundated by the beauties of
nature, rather than by destructive forces. The dreamer may
observe or participate in miraculous occurrences.
11.0
Being lost or trapped? You are unable to find your way in a
strange setting, you are trapped with limited movement, you
are paralyzed, etc.
11.5
Discovering New Spaces? The opposite of dreams of being
trapped or paralyzed are those in
which the dreamer discovers marvelous new spaces. There are
several versions
of this universal dream.
12.0
Being menaced by dead people that you knew? You are
threatened, criticized or berated by images of dead people
you know.
12.5
Guided by the Dead? Some of the most powerful dreams we
have are dreams about loved ones
who have died. Men and women have changed their life paths,
and sometimes their non-belief in an afterlife, based on
dreams in which they felt they received direct messages from
the departed.
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Also, you will find Patricia Garfield's many other books,
her public appearance schedule, notes and information about
Universal dreams and a free chapter on Children's Dreams AND
a chapter on dreams about pregnancy and childbirth.
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alan sondheim
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i of the dream; troubled i would awaken gauge dreaming of it shape-
riding as the dream of transference stuttering of being much as i
dreamed i was in a foreign land and had a foreign hand the fury among
the dreams of bodies placements signifiers i am suspicious of among
the poets whose footsteps are hardened by sea the question is and my
dreams revert to it among neighbors with limited arousal and
communication at night i dream still late at night i dream as flesh
introverted cyborg dreams (which i rarely if ever have) are back in
upon itself a klein here i write into the dream screen of no
capabilities and i dream of monster machines running at fell through
the coalesce and ascii dreams livid dreams maroon dreams of womb
interiors cracks spit out on some floor clara says i dreamed saying?
who's saying dream i imagine myself displayed ruptured cock you can
hold your motion dream i think that it will be a nightmare i think
dream will be a dream of her and she's with me night and day i can't
believe she's dream of the multitudes! i swarm among them alas only
in my dreams! i dream steel or iron or what they dream something
momentarily precious dream unfinished work born as such claws perch in
my back i dream of dreamed hysterically embodied the body at the other
end is the machine dreamed not have nightmared i sleep tight dreaming
of you each hour of dreaming texts all texts are dreaming texts coming
from elsewhere dreams forget your mouth it is gone you will never
again dreaming the dreams of classification conflagration they among
illuminations uneasy dreams sexual depressive twists of the body with
extended net dreams uneasy dreamer mirrors here i dream of this body
sutured embrace the world small dreaming in my inscription the dream
of it everything in my dream i imagine myself inside-out displayed
dissected examples falling asleep as a leap into dream i dream'd
falling with the stars i dream i dream into this as a slide farther
father at night i dream; i dream of the practice drawn dreaming
finally note how cyborg dreams digital dreams machine dreams are to
happen to any of us i dream pixels a woman they separate back into the
happened previsioned two days ago with a dream of last night it began
harboring it dreamlike or real community of waiting in my dream any
history at night they dream rust or coal or stone at night they have
the language furrowed across historicity in dreams real and virtual i
had no shoes until i dreamed a man who had a tree remember returning
in i just feel it's too dreamy to metaphoric cyberspace third in my
dream i can imagine being a stain on your wall viral crawl through in
my dream i'm available always available from dreams lists emerge in
one that does the dreaming (and capital does the rest) things are
inchoate/chthonic hovering in what may be seen through the dream of me
beneath her and i dreamed an open plain a field a meadow a woods a
intensity %n dreams nightly even during the day it is backwards from
the dream that something uncanny appears it it is backwards from the
dream that something uncanny appears it dreams darkly through the
night visions of great languor occupied by another the wall reading
<xxyyzz> rising and little is needed to implement all of this now it's
not future dreaming loveliness of the day melding into the sweet all
thewy around; nor means perhaps dreaming myself of an ending your day
as proclamations of the symbolic decathect everything balanced between
most dreams of solidity and dissolute program- ming walking along of
voice and murmurs as my uneasy dreams turn clothed in violation fabric
clara has long uneasy net for the dissemenation of their wildest
dreams and desires some never possessed surface as such we are
everyone's dream i wept because nightmare i wake up rigid with fear i
have had far too many dreams that are the self that is the immortal
dream that of cuneiform ascii which might not be all dreamlike
sourcelike in pure flight and transportation what occurs within the
dream is one's absent body past reconstructing the problem of time as
the dream direction to the phenomena of dream and dreamless sleep
introspection is one and knows presently i dream of you you are with
me with my waking sleeping the release of desire this is the dream the
real and dream obdurate and imaginary nature and techno recognized the
conundrum a dream realm of easy dreams and stirrings; reflection
theory dream screen mirror stage we are bothered by regional economic
downturn the gathering of the tribes unreal-istic as relation to
current words and numerous there's a dream at work remember that i had
dreamed a beginning at this point in the return
this night's dream sometimes at least in this case which is the
dreaming the transparency or temporary hiatus beyond what one does not
dream it turned towards itself the body hovers as well i dream of
models of voices making demands voices occupying dream spaces after
months softening my exterior as i slid into dreams off the terminal
the whale was white but might have been any color some i could not
have with spikes for protection none of great size a dreaminess to all
writing that is also a ghost clos-ing my eyes i dreaming minamikyushu
your motion in my dream i'm available always available this gone on
any dream
[slightly re-formatted for Electric Dreams]
Reprinted with the Permission of Alan Sondheim
Sondheim, Alan (2001). Early dreaming. Retrieved Apr 10,
2001 from Philosophy and Psychology of Cyberspace
<CYBERMIND@LISTSERV.AOL.COM>
Alan Sondheim is a poet, critic, and theorist who writes on
and about the Internet. His books include Disorders of the
Real, and the anthology Being on Line. He co-moderates
several email lists, including Fiction of Philosophy,
Cybermind, and Cyberculture. He lives in Brooklyn, New York,
with cat and cacti.
For more information and texts by Alan Sondheim, see
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt/
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons/internet_txt.html
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AN EXCERPT FROM THE LUCID DREAM EXCHANGE
By Lucy Gillis
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The Dream C.A.G.E. features lucid dreaming Challenges, Aims,
Goals, and Experiments. One of the on-going challenges is
to try to go beyond the state of lucid dreaming, to see
where that takes us. Are there other levels of
consciousness we can tap into when we chose to explore
beyond our lucid borders?
Here is what Clint found when he attempted to go beyond
lucidity:
Clint
12/17/2000, 4:59
Beyond Lucidity
DREAM CHALLENGE
In LDE 16, we were challenged to go "To Lucidity and Beyond"
to see what lies beyond our usual personal levels of
lucidity.
I'm walking along the road with a couple of guys. They want
to go one way and I want to go another so we split up. I
take the road off to the left, which is a loop that will
come back to the main road where we plan to meet again. A
bright blue corvette passes me just as I turn off the road.
As I walk along the road I pass a pretty little lake. There
are some unusual looking small birds walking around the edge
of the water; I don't recognize them and I wonder what kind
of birds they are.
As I continue walking I come to a small hill. I jump up to
see if I will remain in the air because if I stay afloat I
will know that I am dreaming. I don't expect to remain in
the air because it doesn't feel like I am dreaming. To my
surprise, I do stay up in the air and I realize that I am in
fact dreaming. I continue flying slowly along the road. A
couple of people pass by me on the road below; I say hello
to them but they don't seem to notice me. I then yell
loudly, "Hello, I am dreaming!"
At this point I remember to perform the LDE exercise in
which I'm supposed to look for something that reads "Beyond
Lucidity." As I look around I see a small wooden building
with a couple of row boats hanging on the front. I look to
see if "beyond lucidity" is written on the boats. I do see
some writing, but it says, "Pull on knob." I see a knob on
the side of the boat and pull on it. A long rope is attached
to it and comes out as I pull on the knob. I read what it
says on the boat again and the complete instructions read,
"Pull on knob and place in water."
I go up to the door of the building and imagine that it
says, "Beyond Lucidity." I open the door and behind that is
another door. I think I hear people behind the second door.
I open the second door and there is a large white plastic
curtain, like a shower curtain. I part the curtain and go
through. Now there are no visuals in the dream scene. There
is only gentle white light that seems to have a soft cottony
feel. I don't want to wake up so I try to feel with my hands
in the vacancy to see if I can detect any objects; but I
don't find any. Now, for a brief moment I enter a deep
meditative state in which there are no thoughts but only
pure consciousness. There are no feelings of ecstasy or joy
or really any feelings whatsoever - just "being." Just
before I wake up I "hear" the words to a verse in and old
Incredible String Band song:
"Dreaming -
All creatures are.
Brighter than the brightest star -
You are -
By far"
When I get up to record this dream I feel very good and very
happy.
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The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly issue featuring
lucid dreams and lucid dream related articles, poetry, and
book reviews submitted by readers. For further information
contact Lucy Gillis at lucy_gillis@hotmail.com
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The Waking Lucid Dream
Tony Crisp
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In January of 1972, two friends, Mike Tanner, Sheila Johns,
and myself formed an experimental group. We wanted to
research into the probability of the dream process breaking
through into waking consciousness with ourselves as the
subjects. Our main reason at that time was to see if the
therapeutic functions of dreaming could then be more fully
exploited. I for one was seeking personal healing from
depression and psychosomatic pain.
I had started my own interest in dreams six years earlier,
and had explored, individually and with others, various
methods of working on dreams, their symbols and meaning. I
had particularly worked with Jung's active imagination, and
had discovered the power of spontaneous fantasy erupting
into consciousness. My book, Do You Dream? was written
around the work of those early years.
My interest led me to study the work of Franz Mesmer.
Subjects placed by him in a relaxed condition experienced
spontaneous movements, fantasy eruption, vocalisation and
abreaction of trauma. All of these connect with the dream
process, in that during the dream we spontaneously
experience a dramatic fantasy, movements, vocalisation and
sometimes the abreaction of trauma. Having watched humans
and animals move while dreaming, I theorised that during the
dream, in most people the movements being experienced only
partially express through the motor nerves and muscles. I
had watched a dog, for instance, make obvious running and
barking movements and sounds while it dreamt. But the
movements and sounds were faint. Yet in sleepwalking, the
spontaneous movements and vocalisation are much more
complete. So I wondered what connections existed between
dreaming, sleepwalking and Mesmer's subjects.
I found other mentions of these phenomena in as diverse
places as early Christianity, in which during the
Pentecostal phase, worshippers allowed spontaneous
movements, vocalisation and connected phenomena. In
Indonesia a group called Subud had started, that exhibited
the same type of experience. And Dr. Wilhelm Reich, a
student of Freud, had similarly found that patients who were
helped to relax muscular tension and hold an open emotional
state, experienced spontaneous physical movements, fantasy,
vocalisation and abreaction. During a visit to Japan I found
there a traditional practice called Seitai that has the same
format. The modern teacher, Noguchi, even connects the
spontaneous movements with the movements made during sleep.
See: http://dreamhawk.com/mmcha9.htm
Our problem as an experimental group was to find a way to
allow this type of breakthrough for ourselves. To start with
we tried two approaches. Jung had already suggested that to
break the intellectual resistance against the eruption of
fantasy from the unconscious, it was helpful to let the
hands start moving where they wished. It is also a fairly
well established fact that nightmares frequently reproduce
the movements or postures that had been experienced during
past trauma. So we tried a form of fantasy that would allow,
not just hands, but the whole body to take part. Also we
used the technique of reproducing the position experienced
in a nightmare to see if the dream would rise into
consciousness and continue.
My own experience in these first experiments was based on a
nightmare I had of being strangled. My head was pulled back.
Also, prior to the experiment I had noticed that as I fell
asleep, a powerful neck tension pulled my head back. So I
reproduced the posture in which my head was pulled back by
tension and left my body, emotions and voice free to express
spontaneously. My body soon began to tremble. This was
something we were intellectually ready for, as it was
described often in cases of this type. Then the trembling
developed into powerful movements. My head pulled back hard,
my mouth locked open, and my voice, quite without attempt on
my part, cried out for my mother. I then relived my tonsil
operation I had as a six year old. It was an amazing
experience, rather like a record being played, only my body,
voice, mind and feelings were the amplifier.
This began a process which we entered more deeply into over
the years, and with it my personal journey to healing - but
also to waking up in and exploring the world of the
unconscious. Not only did I find childhood trauma, but also
a vast unity of minds of which I was a part. It was a unity
that spilled into my life as visions and insight.
So that was the beginning. The dream process could break
through into waking consciousness. But it was clearer and it
was healing. A long standing neck tension and feeling of
loneliness disappeared. It wasn't a nightmare - like
Mesmer's subjects, and Reich's - it was an abreaction or
catharsis.
So one of the keys we used to unlock the dream process into
consciousness was the release of muscular tension. I
discovered that most people have unconscious muscular
tension. If this is made conscious by having the person
become aware of it, what was unconscious is already emerging
into consciousness. If the tension is then given time to
release, with a body and mental attitude of acceptance,
spontaneous movements begin. See:
http://dreamhawk.com/mmcha8.htm
With further research with numerous people we found
abreaction was only one of the many aspects that
spontaneously emerged into consciousness. The range was as
wide as the subjects covered by dreaming. i.e. sexual
pleasure; experimental consideration of a life problem;
creative fantasy; ESP; happy play; the exploration of the
depths and heights of the mind and body, etc.
I suspected as our experience grew, that in normal dreaming,
there is a suppression of motor impulses to the body. I also
felt that the people we worked with, ourselves included,
learned to relax this suppresser, so that full movement
could emerge from the dream maker in us, along with often
amazingly rich emotional and mental experience too.
Later I came across the work of Adrian Morrison and his
research team at the University of Pennsylvania. They found
that a small area in the brain, the pons of mammals, acts as
a suppresser stopping the limbs responding to signals from
the brain during dreams. When this tiny area of the pons was
damaged, the animal lived out its dream fully in physical
movement.
From this, researchers have been able to observe what the
animals - cats - were dreaming from the movements they made
during REM sleep. The cats played with dream toys, attacked
or pounced on invisible adversaries, and expressed aggression.
In our own research, our observations of what emerged during
periods of conscious dreaming were aided by the subjects
themselves being able to give information on what they were
experiencing. From these descriptions and from the
privileged standpoint of being able to look directly into
the dream as it happens, three main functions were
observable. See: http://dreamhawk.com/transf-8.htm
Firstly, the dream process is an expression of the self-
regulatory or compensatory function active throughout our
being. So dreaming provides an attempt at maintaining health
of body and mind. In normal dreams this may be interfered
with because we interiorise fears, restraints and goals.
During waking dreaming one can recognise and choose to drop
the fears and restraints and thus allow the self-regulating
action to complete itself. This may sound rather
uninteresting, but there is nothing dull about the process
which constantly keeps our body in balance and dealing with
the environment and food we eat, as well as managing to
spontaneously lead us through growth of body and mind.
Secondly the dream process is an expression of the growth
process at the psychological level. The dream can be
observed to feed upon experience and integrate it into wider
understanding and a freer identity. i.e. freer from
anxieties, rigid viewpoints, etc.
Thirdly dreams express a contact between ones individual
sense of identity and the living consciousness of our total
environment. So the dream process is creative in that the
individual experiences contact with the process of life, and
can learn to relate to it more effectively. Also out of this
contact emerges a creative response in action, emotion, art,
speech, music, dance etc. In this area the dream acts like a
microscope or telescope, through which the dreamer can
literally explore the cosmos, or the depths of their own
psychobiological being. This has all the characteristics of
the deepest of spiritual experiences.
We have noticed that as people learn the way of dropping the
suppression of their ability to dream consciously, they can
begin to tap the functions of dreaming when they wish. For
instance, the dream process has a much fuller access to
total memory and subliminal impressions than normal waking
awareness. So once one has learnt to dream consciously, one
can actually ask a question and have a direct response from
the process.
People who use this technique have said it is like a very
accessible intuition. As an example of using it, my wife and
I located where she had dropped her glasses on moorland
seventy miles from our home. People dealing with the public
can much more easily discover what impressions their
unconscious is picking up from the person, without having to
sleep on it. See: http://dreamhawk.com/lb-6.htm
The more I observe this process, the more it seems to me
that past cultures used it, but did not recognise it as
being an extension of the dream. They considered such
movements and vocalisation or intuition as being the work of
God, Spirit or spirits. (I am not disagreeing with it being
a holy experience at times, but want to stress that through
understanding its connections with the dream process, one
can avoid many pitfalls and misunderstandings.) It was
violently crushed in some ages, being so feared. In our own
culture, which has a fairly recent record of terror and
persecution regarding any spontaneous expression of the
unconscious, we are only now beginning a wider exploration
of its potential. Having closely observed the very direct
connection between the process of dreaming and the
experience of ESP, religious experience, spontaneous
healing, racial memory and cosmic consciousness, it seems
the dream, and especially this conscious lucid dreaming, is
one of the richest areas to explore.
I also feel that any investigator of lucid dreaming is
limiting themselves if they hold the concept this can only
occur during sleep. Consciousness can enter into the dream
state in such a way as to bring about lucidity. But dreaming
can also enter into consciousness in such a way as to bring
about the same result.
My observation is that after practising waking dreaming for
some time, the quality of sleep and dreams changes. One of
the observable changes is the total vibration of the body
while sleeping. As our group has never been able to afford
the equipment to monitor this, we only have a subjective and
physical experience of it. Also, the process in some cases
leads towards lucidity, first within the symbols of the
dream then the awakening beyond any images or symbols.
To myself as observer of this, and avid follower of the work
being done by other researchers, I feel we are on the edge
of opening a territory -consciousness - which had never been
scientifically explored before. Have other human beings in
the past created a bridgehead in the dimension of sleep and
death, in which they now live, just as we live in the
physical world? Can we learn to wake up there and develop,
not simply a few minutes of excitement, but a dwelling
place, a work within the realm of consciousness, and an exploration?
These questions I hope the years ahead will unfold to us. If
we work together on pushing back the boundaries of human
awareness, it might be we who answer them.
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The Dream Doctor
Charles McPhee, Ph.D.
http://www.dreamdoctor.com
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"Abducted!"
I didn't find anything on the site that related to abduction
dreams. But I have had several dreams throughout my life
(usually when I am at my parents home) that I wake up and
have a feeling of "they're here. " I don't ever see who
"they" are, but in my dream I know it is aliens. I usually
see bright lights outside the window and I am paralyzed. I
can only move my eyes. It's a horribly scary feeling. And
then I wake up.
I am wondering what your interpretation of this dream will
be. My family teases me that I am really being abducted. But
of course I don't want to believe that. I don't recall if
any changes are going on in my life at this time. It seems I
just have these dreams from time to time, usually when I'm
at home at my parents, where I grew up.
Michelle, Oxford, MI, USA
Hi Michelle
Welcome to the always perplexing world of sleep paralysis!
I hope I don't disappoint too many abduction devotees, but
your recurring dream is an excellent example of things that
go "boo! " in the night, that actually have a fairly simple
explanation.
Each of us, when we sleep at night, traverses a very regular
series of sleep stages. First we fall into deep sleep, then
we rise into lighter sleep, and then, after about 80 or 90
minutes, we have our first period of dreaming. All night
long, this sequence of sleep stages repeats. First deep
sleep, then light sleep, followed by a period of REM (rapid
eye movement).
One of the curiosities of sleep learned in the 1950's (when
scientists began measuring sleep with EEGs), is that we
actually become paralyzed during each and every one of our
REM sleep periods. Back then, REM sleep was known as
"paradoxical sleep, " because the signals scientists
observed during REM seemed to be sending a mixed message.
During REM, brain activity was intense. It was so intense,
in fact, that it was indistinguishable from the activity of
an awake person's brain. The body, on the other hand, was
profoundly relaxed. Much more relaxed that deep sleep.
As research into REM progressed, scientists gradually
realized that the relaxation of the body indeed, its
paralysis was necessary to prevent movement during all the
hallucinated activity of REM. In 1968, a French research
scientist named Michael Jouvet demonstrated that the brain
does indeed send commands for movement during REM sleep. The
reason why we don't get out of bed and "answer" these
signals, is because they are intercepted at the top of our
brain stem, in an area called the reticular formation.
When we wake up from a dream, accordingly, two events must
occur. We must gain waking consciousness, and our bodies
must release us from the grips of REM paralysis both at the
same time. Usually everything works fine, but every once in
a while (and most often when we are tired) our brains can
wake up before our bodies "are released. " It can be a
terrifying experience, because not only are we
paralyzed which prevents our movement, our breathing, and
even our ability to call for help but we also frequently
drift in and out of REM, and have dreams that reflect our
feelings of vulnerability. So we dream there is an attacker
or intruder in the room. Or that someone is standing behind
us with a knife. Or that there are bright lights outside
The aliens are here!
The reason why you can move your eyes during these "attacks"
is because your eyes are the only part of your body that
isn't paralyzed. (Rapid Eye Movement sleep!)
What's the solution for sleep paralysis? Stay calm, and
recognize that your body is just tired and taking longer
than usual to wake up. The longest sleep paralysis ever
lasts is a few minutes (if you are really tired!), and
usually it is thirty seconds or less.
In medieval times sleep paralysis was believed to be a
temporary possession - by "incubus, " by evil spirits, or by
witches. (It was never a "friendly" ghost!) Today we can add
UFOs and aliens to the list of possessors, but the real
culprit is much closer to home: some tired nerve cells,
sitting right up there at the top of the spinal cord who are
trying to get some extra ZZZs!
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Special Section : C.O.M.P.U.T.E.R D.R.E.A.M.S
Digital Dreaming: Emergence or Replacement Imagery?
Richard Wilkerson
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Included below is the collection of computer dreams sent
into Electric Dreams and DreamGate from February 14 to March
15 of 2001. These dreams arrived through several channels,
though most came from the online survey page at
http://www.dreamgate.com/computers/
The study is still active. Please fill out the form.
You will also find previous collections of computer dreams
on that site.
Note to researchers: If you need statistics for these
dreams, the raw data is available from Richard Wilkerson.
This study includes: Dreamers age, state, country, sex,
marital status, Dream plus title, date and pen-name,
religious beliefs, political beliefs, perceptions of most
important issues today, how they spend their time on the
computer [ranked, 1-5], hours spent on the pc, personal
rating of quality of time, how often they recall dreams,
favorite dreams, comments, permission to publish.
The data samples in this article here can be referenced
as
Wilkerson, Richard C. (2001). DreamGate.com Computer Survey
2 :: 02/14/2001 3/15/2001. DreamGate Publishing: San
Francisco, CA
Here is the suggested reference for this article:
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 June). Digital Dreaming
Series: Computer Dreams VI :: Digital Dreaming: Emergence or
Replacement Imagery? Electric Dreams 8(6). Retrieved May 26,
2001 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
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Emergence or Replacement Imagery?
As our culture shifted from horse and buggy to Ford and
Chevy, our dreams shifted as well. People didn't stop
dreaming about horses and buggies, but the frequency of the
older vehicles dropped as the newer vehicles replaced them.
Was this just a simple issue of vehicular substitution, or
do dream cars function psychologically in ways that horses
and buggies never did? This question is now being raised in
this preliminary study of Computer Dreams for computers and
the Digital Revolution in general, as well as for the new
mixes and interfaces between human and machine, such as
cyborgs, implants, prosthesis, transplants and a host of
other robotic/human mixes.
Outside of Jung's exploration of the emergence of Flying
Saucers as a contemporary symbol of the Self, (1) I am not
familiar with any content analysis studies at this time
exploring the issues of symbolic dream evolution. But we can
posit some general assumptions. At the most abstract levels,
the symbols of cars vs horses may operate in similar ways.
Simple equations such as losing one's breaks in car and
losing control of the horses in a buggy are bound to elicit
similar reactions of fear in the dreamers. Or put in a more
associational context, abstracting the loss of vehicular
control constellates a set of relations that will be similar
in each case, such as fears of death and damage to oneself
and others, fear of loss of control in general, heroic and
creative attempts, successes and failures to re-gain
control, abandoning control issues altogether, and so on.
From the viewpoint of a critical theory, we can also make
the assumption that those who do interpret either their own
or other's dreams will apply similar abstract categories to
either automobiles or horses and buggies. That is, an
interpreter can be expected to look for a familiar abstract
category such as vehicles, means of conveyance, control of
destiny, control of oneself and other such abstract
categories which are suggested by, and then applied to the
dream image.
A question arises here whether the dream image can supply
a new abstract category (can function psychologically in a
novel way) or whether the dream image is forever condemned
to conforming to categories the dreamer or interpreter has
prior to the interpretation, prior to the assigning of the
image to category. It may seem that this question would be
beyond the dream as categories are usually developed before
the dream and applied to a dream from the outside. But
dreamwork has never been so dogmatic, at least not in its
best applications and uses. Dreamworkers often emerge from
an encounter with a dream image with a new category, a new
perspective, a new viewpoint, a new psychological structure
or attitude, a new sense. This occurs even when at the
beginning of the dreamwork, old and common categories are
initially assigned.
We now have three worlds or realms that are being juggled.
The first is the realm of content. Usually this is referred
to as the empirical, concrete realm of the dream objects.
[To be truly empirical, it is the recorded dream texts in
this study, but let's not split hairs yet]
The second realm includes the way these dreams are
expressed, the way they are recalled, recorded, retold, as
well as the way they are interpreted and otherwise
encountered. The third realm consists of the relations of
the first two to one another and to other
content/expressions which they envelope or are enveloped by
in subsequent encounters.
This leads to a reformulation of the original question
about dream and computers. Originally we asked whether
computer dreams were simply replacing some earlier image the
way cars replaced horses, or whether there was something
more fundamental occurring which would produce a new
category. This question became problematic right away, even
with the simplistic car/horse as means of travel analogy.
Further, unlike the horse/car exchange, computers serve
several functions. They "replace" (at least time-use wise)
telephones, televisions, typewriters, magazines, newspapers,
records and CD's, tape recorders, clocks, billboards,
calendars, cameras, videos and more.
This is even further complicated by the way the computer
invests itself in the very structure of these other
functions and objects that were once analog, converting them
all over to digital. The digital revolution is not just much
about having new weird objects in your house that are hard
to use, but rather in the massive change in the
infrastructure of culture and cultural products. Conversion
to digital is not swapping an analog clock for a digital
clock, but the creation of a digital plane of being. In a
sense, the Digital Revolution is somewhat like a virus
itself, which invades analog production and reproduces
itself within the old analog objects and processes,
replacing all analog functions with digital processes. And
along the way, new processes are discovered that were not
possible with analog functioning, the most important right
now being that digital reproduction can be exact, collapsing
or imploding the map into the territory, the copy with the
original. With analog production, there was often the
attempt to exactly reproduce the original, but with digital
production, their is no difference between the copy and the
original, thus imploding the whole concept of originality.
As Baudrillard (2) has noted, we begin to drift from dealing
with objects to maps of objects, from reality to simulations
of reality.
Thus there are two significant complications with computer
dream images and the investigation of novel categories. The
first is that we can look at computers as not being in any
previous category and not replacing anything that came
before it, or we can view computers as replacing all things
that came before it, all culture products and processes,
including the concept of category itself. There is its novel
aspect, and its viral aspect.
In the novel-object aspect, the car/horse analogy is shown
as incorrect. Attempting to say that cars replacing horses
is like computers replacing X would be a fallacy of Orders.
A more fair analogy than cars vs horses would be something
like mechanical engines replacing animals. The Digital
Revolution is more akin to the something like the Industrial
Revolution. A comparable dream study in history will have to
be something like the replacement of animal dreams with
machine dreams. The horse and car would simple be one
example of this larger process at work.
In its viral aspect, the Digital Revolution is more akin to
the Neolithic Revolution. Not only is there a change in the
materials that make up the cultural objects, but also a
whole new set of cultural objects. The cultivation of plants
and animals is akin to the cultivation of information.
Fields of information are now cultivated and circulated and
exchanged. Just as stone objects give way to metal objects,
analog objects give way to digital objects. Sometimes it is
the same bowl, but the substance it is made of will
dramatically alter the society that uses it.
Computers as symbols, as engines of psychological
production, will tend to both mimic in dreams their daytime
uses, and to go far beyond these uses. We can see this in
computer dreams where people fall into their computer
monitors like Alice through the Looking Glass (3) or where
the computer becomes a flying carpet that takes the dreamer
to distant lands. Although there are binary dynamics at work
in animal biology, by the time the dream is formed, these
digital codes probably have little to do with the dream's
content. Still, simulations of digital functions continue to
operate at the level of the dream.
And so an interesting collision of forces appear in the
computer dream, those forces which will attempt to simulate
digital computer operations as they exist in the waking
world, and those which attempt to give other expressions to
the dream computer. The results are themselves a human-
machine mix, which is bound to differ from either and
produce novel processes, to produce breaks into the flow of
each of the previous processes and open new planes across
which these symbolic cyborgs will exist.
References:
(1) Jung, C. G. (1978/1964). Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth
of Things Seen in the Skies. (RFC Hull, trans). Princeton
University Press: Princeton, NJ.
(2) Baudrillard, Jean (1983). Simulations. Semiotext(e):New
York, NY
(3) Wilkerson, Richard C. (2001). DreamGate.com Computer
Survey 2 :: 02/14/2001 3/15/2001. DreamGate Publishing:
San Francisco, CA
THE DREAMS ------------------------
http://www.dreamgate.com/computers
NOTE: Dream texts are given before name and date.
Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:58:40 EST ------
Dreamers Computer Dream = Back in the rah-rah days of the
startup I worked at, I frequently had dreams where I would
be going about in some normal way; when all of a sudden,
windows would pop up: IM windows, application windows,
notepad would pop up with html written on it, etc. It was
crazy! Invariably at the end of these dreams, my teeth
would fall out. This happened quite a few times...and
didn't leave me with an altogether great feeling.
Other, better, computer dreams mainly consisted of me
actually being inside a computer network, but on the client
side. So I could literally push pixels around a screen, and
I could physically go to websites and do things and such.
These were better because I felt more free and more creative
throughout the dream.
I've also had dreams where I saw html or pictures and
such...or thought of solutions to various problems I was
encountering while building and maintaining a site.
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Dream Title = poorbob dreams
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I remember a dream I had about a
chat room. It was my first experience and I was verbally
assaulted. I was shocked. I immediately got off. It involved
sucking a certain part of the male anatomy. I told my
husband, and he said "never go there again", of course I
didn't listen.
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Dream Title = My cyber experience.
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Dream date = 1996
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I remember a dream I had about a
chat room. It was my first experience and I was verbally
assaulted. I was shocked. I immediately got off. It involved
sucking a certain part of the male anatomy. I told my
husband, and he said "never go there again", of course I
didn't listen.
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Dream Title = My cyber experience.
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Dream date = 1996
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I recall having dreams where I
would be instant messaging my now ex-boyfriend and he would
try to answer but it would keep getting stuck and all these
pop - up boxes would show up.
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Dream Title = IM Interferance
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Dream date = about 1 month ago
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Dreamers name = britty80
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i had a dream once that i was
using a messenger service in red ink but i was talking to
someone that i didn't know. They were a stalker or
something and were threatening to kill me. all of the
words kept running down like blood on a mirror. i heard a
knock at the door. so i answered it. they told me that they
were the stalker. they pulled out a knife and blood was
dripping off of it and i woke up.
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Dream Title = stalker
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Dream date = 2-15-01
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = the systems were going down at
work. I was frantically rushing about trying to discover the
problem. No-one would listen to any of the souloutions I
had. My g-friend said that in real life I was muttering
computer codes in my sleep.
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Dream Title = Chaos
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Dream date = recurring
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i was with a friend in my room and
he wanted to watch t.v. on my computer.... I wanted to ask
the computer a question because I had the game taipei on it
and it gives a fortune at the end when you win. We use to
play the game when we were younger...
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Dream Title = fortune
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Dream date = last week
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
**********************************no
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I am a data analyst at a large
company [no, really, I am] and in my dream I am working, but
I am the computer even as I am typing at the keyboard, it is
as though I am entering the data into my own head. I feel
powerful, and alarmingly fast. Everything goes faster and
faster, but everything around me is slowing down.
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Dream Title = Intraday
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Dream date = I've had it several times, most recently feb
'01
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i dreamt that someone had sent a
virus to my Napster program, and it was big lion that ate my
songs, and it was terribly upsetting because i have dial up
and it takes forever, and every time the lion ate a song it
roared a bunch of times and this message would flash on
saying
" didn't you finish high school? why cant you stop the
virus?" and the lion would keep eating my songs.
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Dream Title = Lion Virus
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Dream date = February 20th 2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i dreamt that i married a key
board put it looked like a computer and our kid was a mouse
pad
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Dream Title = computers are bad at sex
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Dream date = last night
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = A few months ago: I was looking at
a guys website. He had done it in FLASH. I was looking at it
to get ideas for my own site. There were two layouts on his
page you could choose from. The layouts were on the same
page...and now I can't remember what the difference was.
That's all that I remember now.
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Dream Title = FLASH design
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Dream date = about two months ago..so, in December 2000
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = In my dream, my computer basically
started making insane booping noises while I lay in bed
trying to sleep (in the dream), which scared me for some
reason, and then it escalated until the computer was jumping
up and down and screaming Satanic references at me, asking
me to "Submit" to it. It was a very scary realistic dream,
and I felt like I was awake, because it all took place right
in my room. Then there was fire outside my door apparently
caused by the evil computer, and my parents running away
from it, and the computer continued to jump up and down
making strange noises, so I threw a rock at it (non-
descript, I don't think I could see it, I just felt for it).
For some reason, throwing the rock was a gesture of
submission to it, and so I was defeated by that action
somehow. Then I woke up. I keep my rock collection beside
me bed, and in the morning, I discovered the rock I had
"thrown at the evil computer" laying beside my computer, so
I guess!
s I must have been doing things in my sleep. Oh, and colors
were mostly black and gray, because it was dark in my room,
except the fire was brilliant red and orange, and I think
the computer had a reddish glow surrounding it, but this is
an old dream, so I may be wrong.
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Dream Title = psychotic computer
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Dream date = a few years ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting at a desk not
normally used for a computer in my house and wondered about
the strange shape, A year later Apple came out with the iMac
series but it still was not right as the machine I saw was
white. In October of this year my wife bought the Snow
version of the machine and set it up on the desk. There it
was...
In the next dream I had we were working on a bunch of
computers, trying to get them up and running again. The
screen was activated by touch on the bottom of the screen,
BY THUMB ONLY, as fingers did nothing. To even see the
activating icon, one had to (look through the machine as one
does on the prints that have images buried in them and do
not look like pictures at all. These machines seemed to be
voice activated after the icon was found. There was no
keyboard...
There were no new machines being built after the severe
geophysical changes we were fighting... only the salvage of
what we had left intact.
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Dream Title = Mobius Dreams (computers)
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Dream date = Both were within a year of 1997, both the same
week
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was in bed with my laptop
computer. Chatting in a city chat on MSN. My instructor was
in the room. He was wearing on neon blue shirt. The blue was
the color of blue that looks like it had 10 cups of coffee.
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Dream Title = neon blue shirt
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Dream date = December 2000
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Being assmilated by the borg, then
being liberated from their collective mind but retaining all
advanced features the borg offer.
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Dream Title = Being assimilated
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Dream date = 1/25/01
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I think this dream was
precipitated because of my work pager; it went off, and I
woke up briefly to shut it off, then went back to sleep.
When I started dreaming, I was at work. I was inside my
cubicle, standing up. I looked all around me, and
everything in my cubicle was inside out. The computer
monitor was inside out, the keyboard was inside out, the
computer was inside out. A terminal server normally sitting
on the floor is sitting on my desk, with all the components
normally on the inside on the outside.
Then, quite suddenly, there's a square table inside my
cubicle, with people sitting all around it. I don't
recognize any of the people. And I suddenly realize there's
no enterance to the cubicle anymore. Two people walk up; My
boss's boss's boss, and a person directly underneath him in
the scheme of things. Neither of them say anything, but
they stand just outside my cubicle and stare at me.
None of the person sitting at the table say anything at all.
They stare at me with absolutely no expressions on their
faces. I look down at the ground, then at my body, then
back down at the ground again. I get the oddest feeling
something isn't right in the world, and a doorway opens up
in the cubicle wall, and I walk out into the walkway. Every
where I walk, people just stand (or sit) and stare at me.
The feeling I just experienced comes back again, and I
mutter to myself, "I'm dreaming, aren't I?" It's the only
rational explanation for everything that's going on; so I
ask myself, "How can I prove to myself I'm dreaming?"
I tentatively lift up my right foot, and I place it in the
air approx. six inches off of the ground, and I do the same
for my left foot. I'm suddenly standing on air, and I feel
a rushing exhaltation from the discovery of me being asleep
and dreaming. I suddenly get a huge grin on my face, and I
can't stop laughing. Everyone continues to stare at me. I
ignore everyone, and start flying around the building at
blinding speeds. The dream turns very sexual for a brief
moment when a lovely young lady in a red dress shows up, but
then I quite suddenly wake up.
This was my first and only lucid dreaming experience. I
very rarely dream of computers at all, which is suprising
given I work with them every single day. This is probably
the only dream I've ever had (which I remember) about
computers.
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Dream Title = Lucid dream at work
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Dream date = 2/29/2000
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Sometimes I dream I am part robot.
Basically I can use the phone line or
my computer without touching them. I think this is just the
result of being lazy and using
the phone and my computer too much.
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Dream Title = At night I am a lazy mobile phone.
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Dream date = common.
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed I got a message from my
daughter's school, that it was urgent I call there. I
dialed the number, couldn't get through; dialed again, no
luck. Dialed & dialed, no luck. Suddenly:
WHOOSH! Wow-- where am I? What is this place? Everything
is pink and white here, a pink sky with white puffy clouds,
a tiny bit of orange too... it's rather sunsettish here.
This "sky" is all around me, even below my feet... Oh, and
I'm floating effortlessly, suspended in mid- air, weightless
hehe! This is wonderful!
And what is this in front of me... icons? Yes... rows and
rows of them. Icons of folders and other things... Oh, I
get it! I have entered someone's computer program! That's
what this is. This pink sunset is someone's "background,"
and I have simply entered his webpage. Yes, it's a "him,"
all right; I sense him. I think he's working on the page
right now, in fact. But he doesn't know I'm here.
Oh here we go, switching to something else now... poetry?
No, maybe not... song lyrics? Yes, it looks like song
lyrics. Oh, and there's a picture-- a young woman. Oh,
haha! I see, this guy has created a web page in honor of
this woman he's in love with. Or rather infatuated with, as
he barely knows her. But he has quite the crush. These
lyrics-- oh my! And there are some words of her! He has
plastered her words everywhere. He can't get enough of
reading her words. And these colors he's chosen for this
cyberspace "background", the pink & white, little bit of
orange... very romantic. I have basically walked into his
secret shrine.
Hmm... secret, yes. I'm feeling embarrassed now. I
shouldn't be here. This is terribly private, and I am an
intruder. I should be leaving.
Oh-- oh my gosh! It's an oversized cartoon character,
popping/ floating right up in front of me, haha! I guess
this guy must like cartoon characters too. Maybe. Wow,
that was soooo realistic! Hard to believe I'm only
dreaming. I'm in a simulated environment, but wow, how real
it seems. I'm bobbing up and down in this limitless pink
cyberspace, no ground below me, moving only by the direction
of my will.
Oh, there's something else off in the distance, a mere
fragment of an image... Oh, this must be something Computer
Guy is working on right now, something in its beginning
stages.
Gee, I wonder what's behind me... If I were standing on my
own 2 feet, on solid earth, I'd be able to easily turn
around and look. But floating as I am in this cyberspace,
it's not easy to turn around. I must focus my attention,
concentrate... turn around... yes, here we go... turning to
the right now... I can bob up and down a little... Ah-- here
we are! Nothing? Nothing but pink sky and white clouds.
Well I guess this proves I'm not on a stage, otherwise I'd
see an audience. Well good, it's nice to be able to move in
all directions, even if there isn't anything special to see.
I just can't get over how real this is... an excellent
simulation. But if a mere dream can seem this real, what
then is my waking reality? Could it be a simulation too, a
grand illusion?
* * * * * *
When I woke up from this dream I tried to get on the
internet to type it up, but wasn't able to. I dialed and
dialed and dialed, many times, no luck. I never have any
problem connecting to my AOL, but this time I did. It was
down for hours, was told it was probably earthquake
(Seattle) related. So this dial-up problem was kinda
coincidental, considering this was how my virtual world
dream started in the first place!
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Dream Title = Pink Sky Virtual World
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Dream date = March 1, 2001, 10:15am PST
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Dreamers name = Adondlei
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Dreamers Computer Dream = The dream consisted of my taking a
computer apart and actually repairing it. I spend hours on
it when I am awake but if I dream about it, I don't think
about other than it was probably just on my mind.
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Dream Title = Asaliah's computer dream
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Dream date = It's been about a month or so
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i had a dream about having a
computer in the car, like a lap top. The road was like open
and clear,and it was dusk outside. I was driving and I
couldn't keep my eyes on the road cuz I was playing with the
damn computer. When I like realized that I was still
driving, I looked up and we had almost hit something. It was
weird.
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Dream Title = Car Computer
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Dream date = dont know.. months ago
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Dreamers name = zerostar182
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i had a dream about having a
computer in the car, like a lap top. The road was like open
and clear,and it was dusk outside. I was driving and I
couldn't keep my eyes on the road cuz I was playing with the
damn computer. When I like realized that I was still
driving, I looked up and we had almost hit something. It was
weird.
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Dream Title = Car Computer
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Dream date = dont know.. months ago
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Dreamers name = zerostar182
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Dream 1: I'm at home, and my
mother walks in with a box. She says there are parts for me
to build a new computer with. I take a K7 chip, 800mhz,
etc... I build it. Then she walks in with another box and
asks me to build another one and network them, she doesn't
tell me why. I do it. Then with ANOTHER box of parts...
finally I have built 3 computers (all K7s) and have
networked them all, including my own (k7 700mhz). Now she
tells me we have to play Counterstrike... (?) hehe
Dream 2: I'm standing in the CounterStrike map cs_italy, and
I have to marry my uncle coz his girlfriend left him, and he
wants a marriage so he can get drunk. I tell my mom I DO NOT
want to marry my uncle, we get in a fight and I tell her to
screw-off. Then I'm walking around in the game map, shooting
things.
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Dream Title = CounterStrike dreams
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Dream date = 2 days ago and last night.
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Dreamers name = Syralid
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I used to play an online game
called Subspace, it was quite addicting and i played it
during all of my free time. i had dreams where i was
playing the game, and my eyes hurt in the dreams, just like
they do if you stare at a computer screen for too long.
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Dream Title = Subspace dream
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Dream date = 1997-1999
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Dreamers name = fnord
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I (on quite a FEW occassions) have
had dreams about talking in a chat room i normally go to.
It's usually just me, a friend, and some other people and we
are tlaking about something, usually whos a lamer, who
deserves to be /kill ed by someone, and who we hate... then
somehow my parents showed up in chat and bugged me so i
left, and went outside and walked to a bulding, ad once
inside i found myself IN the chat sevrer, where i could walk
from room to room to room and talk there and set furniture,
all my friends were there as themselves and i could hug them
and fool around and be myself. Then the prson whom i had a
HUGE crush on showed up (net friend, we are bf/gf now), and
walked over to me, he said hi.. then my DAD walked in.. "You
gotta come back and set the table.." Well, he had to be
living in his dreams cause i aint about to walk away from
being with the guy i have a crush on, so i told him to go
away and he got mad so i ran from room to room to !
room and eventually hit in a room mode +i +s, and +p. My
crush showed up (since he was an IRCop) and invited dad in
ebcause he kept on bugging everyone and i screamed and ran
away, leaving dad there, and John (crush, real name, i love
him so..) chased me, nabbed me and cuddled me, as he dragged
me to the ultimate hiding spot... the operchannel... where..
strangely, the server admin was tlaking in citrust type of
multi-colored text (those pale skittle type colors, light
greens, oranges, pinks, yellows). He wrapped his manly,
ircoppish arms around me and kissed me...
Turns out he had a crush on me too... now we are a couple,
adn wish to meet irl, weve talked on the telephone and all
that stuff... he is really sweet... weve left the server
that the dream took palce on and now are both ircops on a
friends server, which is growing quickly.
-kv
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Dream Title = Chat Building
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Dream date = Mid December, 2000
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Dreamers name = kvarn
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Dreamers Computer Dream = It is all written down in a memoir
in storage but the 'gist is as follows:
The entire dream occured in reverse as we comprehend time to
be.
It fades in at some point in a "day" out in the open bays of
a HUGE warehose in which humans and robotic /yet living and
evolved Dinosaurs live and work in semi-co-existance. Be it
that there was no utopia it was a "real lifescape" with the
twists of a typical day just the oddities of etirely in
reverse time wise; and a structural accomidation to the
Dinos mobility, very large doors, and walls. These dinos
were not ALL cyborged out, but rather a blending of
reptilian(in a few cases amphibian and psuedomamailian)
dino's with mechanical agmentaions... a broken leg was
graphted with a bio-mechanical area as appearently the dinos
evlution had "stopped" but the mental evolution didn't hence
the self awareness, and socialogical elements of a society
and the whole nurture "human" qualities....
it was very cool, just dinamicly odd in the whole Time
reversal was understandable yet not....
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Dream Title = Dinobots in reverse
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Dream date = Oh about 10 years ago
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Dreamers name = Electryc_monk
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was at work, there were several
desks, chairs, office equipment, etc. set out on a nice
green lawn. People were going about their business as
though there was nothing unusual about their location. As I
walked through the "office" a panic broke out, the computers
were not behaving correctly...as data was being input the
output was coming out in the form of punched cards and
nobody knew how to read them. We finally tracked down a
card reader but then had problems feeding the cards into the
reader and ended up putting them in sideways.
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Dream Title = outside office
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Dream date = 3 months ago (DEC. 2000)
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Dreamers name = mzmouze
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream at one point in time
that I was taken into my computer, literally sucked inside
of it. My computer was larger than normal, and normally
it's very large. I kept seeing Linux commands and text...
nothing else. Eventually I felt compelled to leave and I
woke up.
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Dream Title = Linux
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Dream date = I don't remember.
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i dreamed that i was in a chat
room and i was talking to someone and then i found out that
it was a serial killer in prison.i was afraid because i
thought that somehow he might be able to find where i am and
come after me and kill me.
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Dream Title = serial killers on the net
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Dream date = a week ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i dream(ed?) that i was on my
friends website posting messages. i like the page alot,
since it`s fun and i`ve had dreams about it before. it`s an
inernet wrestling thing. i dreamed that i was on it, and he
made banners for everyone`s names, and that they all got
really wavy and big and came out of the screen at me. then i
woke up.
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Dream Title = EHWF
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Dream date = last night(3/9/01)
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i had a dream i was riding a IBM
monitor from the 1990's through a field of orange grass and
yellow sunflowers. a white unicorn came in and it's tail was
made up of red, yellow, blue, and green computer wires. Then
a duck came in and was made from a CPU unit from MAC.
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Dream Title =
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Dream date = 9 days before the birth of my baby
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Dreamers name = nerual
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Playing computer games (often,
usually text based mud games), dreaming that I need to type
"sleep" to sleep, or type "say hello", having drop down
menus appear before me. Dreaming of intense swirls of
numbers and colours and knowing it was inside the computer.
These are often good dreams with little emotional input
besides just cruising along in a digitasl world doing
similiar dream stuff to other dreams. I do occassionally
have a few dreasm where I am frustrated and trying to do
something with a typed command or clicking a mouse but
cannot get it to work.
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Dream Title = Digital dreaming
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Dream date = Since started getting into IT. 2 years every
few months
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i was inside my computer and all
my friends were there but i couldnt see them i could hear
them talkin and see their type then i woke up
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Dream Title = where are they
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Dream date = feburary 15 2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was in front of a large building
in the parking lot and looked up into the sky. At first it
was a UFO that I saw and then it turned into a computer
screen that had some sort of windows programming software
opened, I think it was Visual C++. It said something on the
screen, but I was unable to remember when I woke up.
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Dream Title = Unidentified Flying Monitor
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Dream date = February 28, 2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Shortly after having learned HTML,
as I was beginning to get seriously into Web development, I
frequently found myself, in my dreams, unable to determine
whether the situation that was occurring in the dream was
"real life" or was a Web page I was working on. This didn't
especially cause me any distress. In the dreams I thought
of all kinds of inventive HTML tricks that I could use to
tweak the scenery, people, even events in the dream. They
weren't always "improvements" - sometimes they were purely
experimental, just to see what would happen if I tried this
or that.
Sometimes I would also find myself, between waking and
sleeping, not wondering "am I awake or asleep" but "is this
my bedroom or is it HTML?" :)
My take on all this is that perhaps dreams symbolize life in
much the same way that HTML symbolizes the resulting
compiled Web page. In a way, it almost seems like "knowing
it's only a Web page and tweaking the HTML" was akin to
lucid dreaming.
Now that Web design is old hat to me (I make my living doing
this now) I don't have these kinds of dreams as often - but
occasionally I still do!
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Dream Title = Is it real, or is it HTML?
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Dream date = many times between 1996 and 1999
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Dreamers name = sleepymaggie
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Dreamers Computer Dream = not a full dream, just a vivid
image of the top of a Netscape browser from a few years
back. the 'Location' bar was being filled with an ever-
lengthening URL that was full of random characters and
gibberish. it had the feel of one of those pumped-up
information superhighway type commercials.
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Dream Title = netscape browser location bar
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Dream date = last night/this morning
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = j ai commanc a rever a messanger
les petits bonhomme vert.Tres amusant et en meme temps
terrifiant pour mon sphychique ,il semble s integr de plus
en plus dans mon spy. les (monitors,chat,programing
languages...)Les couleurs sont vive aussi .Mais ,il faut
dire aussi que sa ne fait que 3mois que je suis sur l
ordinateur. ET je pense bien revenir a mon acienne disipline
de comtemplation ,pour nettoyer mon spy.de ces vibration
trop electronique comme vous le mensionn
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Dream Title = envaders
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Dream date = frist week
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Dreamers name = jplaniel
Dreamers Computer Dream = First I would like to say that the
link that brought me here asked for dreams that included
dreams with robots in them, so if this one helps, here it
is. If not, sorry.
My best girlfriend and I were out of town. I was traveling
with her through a few different cities for about a week
while she attended some classes. The first few days of the
trip went well. We ended up staying in a little bit of a
seedy motel one night. When we woke up I packed up a lot
of our stuff, we had a bunch of soda in the 12 pack and case
boxes they come in, and some beer. I lined it all up
against a wall of the motel room with our suitcases. We
packed stuff into the car which I had moved into a spot real
close to our room. There was some toilet paper on the
driver's side rearview mirror outside with a dried up moldy
orange, pieces of one with the rind, attached at one end.
We joked about the car being teepeed and my friend took the
orange and for some totally unknown reason she actually took
a small bite of an edge of the orange. Back in the room, we
realized that the door would not lock, it did not even latch
fully when it closed. I thought about how lucky!
we were to have slept without being burglarized or killed
in our sleep. I tried to engage the deadbolt lock but the
doorjamb and the door kept moving, almost like they weren't
really attached to the wall that well. Then this robot
thing, which came with the room, came over and helped me get
the deadbolt engaged. That at least kept the door from
being totally insecure. I thanked the robot and was happy
that it came in handy for something. It went back and sat
down on the floor. She got ready and left for her class,
leaving me alone in the room. I looked at the clock and
realized it was about 11:30 and check out was 12:00. So I
called the manager and asked him if I could stay until about
2, and explained that I was waiting for a friend who would
not be back until then or later. He said okay. I told him
if the robot needed recharging or something he could have it
because I didn't need it. I think it either went to the
office itself, because its batteries were dead or !
the manager came and got it. I started to take off my clot!
hes to bathe and took off my pants when the door suddenly
opened and I grabbed a towel and wrapped it around my naked
lower body. The guy who came into the room was apparently
the cleaning person (maid), he had the cart and all. He was
quite unkempt and didn't appear to be very clean. I
explained to him that he would have to wait, since I got
approval to check out late. I had trouble explaining to
him, because he was Hispanic I think, but he finally left.
I laid the towel down and started to prepare for my shower
again when the door was opened again. This time I didn't
have time to grab the towel and I yelled, "I'm naked, close
the door" or "Get out" or something along those lines. This
time the cleaning guy "just wanted to do something real
fast" I don't know what. I was trying to cover my naked
lower body with my hands and by sort of bending over and
backing away from him. I made him leave, but not without
difficulty. So then I tried again to bathe when the door
op!
ened again and this time it was a handyman, also Hispanic,
who was there to fix the door. Before I had a chance to say
anything to him, he had the door off of the hinges and
struck up a broken English conversation with me. He
appeared to be slow (mentally), but was pleasant enough. I
still was holding the towel around me as we spoke.
Something came on TV about a missing woman, who was presumed
dead and they gave a short story about serial killers and
their profiles, giving a profile on someone who may have
killed the woman, who had the last name of Alvarez, or
something close to that. He asked me what they were talking
about, and I explained how psychologists were able to
"profile" killers and gave him examples of profiles. He was
lounging on the floor near the front door, which was now
completely gone as was part of the front wall. The cleaning
guy then came in and they both left. I was relieved because
now I could take a shower, but then they came back with a
third g!
uy who I had not seen before, and were saying amongst thems!
elves how the manager of the motel told them he used to date
the missing woman and they were all surprised. I, still
wrapped waist down in a towel, walked toward the doorway as
they entered and they pushed me back in and were obviously
planning to rape me. I cried and begged them not to, but
the three of them would not let me go. They got me down on
a couch and I continued to speak to them trying to talk them
out of it, when I realized they would probably kill me
because I could identify them. I was now naked and somehow
I got away from them and ran out the door (which had
reappeared) and ran up the parking lot screaming, naked. It
seemed I could not scream or yell loud enough. No one was
around. I ran past the manager's office and saw the door
just closing with no one coming out to see what was wrong.
I was desperately looking for someone even going by in a
car, no one. There was a grocery store next door and I was
going to try to get there to escape, I turned around!
and saw one of them right on my heels and I knew there was
no way I could escape. I woke up. When I dozed back off I
decided that I was saved by a woman in her car in the
grocery store lot.
Addendum:
The manager, the cleaning guy, the handyman and the missing
woman were all of Hispanic origin, I can't figure that one
out. Actually I can't figure out much of this dream.
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Dream Title = Motel Hell
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Dream date = 12 March 2001
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Dreamers name = DianeMRPD
Dreamers Computer Dream = Sending the same tpye of email to
my friend sover and over again but every time in a different
font colur or from a different terminal. They would recieve
my mail and send a similar sort of reply based on the type
of font I used.
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Dream Title = Repetative emails!
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Dream date = repetativley
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was downloading a ton of songs
on napster during the day, then in my dream i kept seeing
listings of songs scrolling down the page, and i was
clicking every song on the page, and then i broke the mouse!
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Dream Title = NAPSTER
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Dream date = 1 week ago....while i was sleeping
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I slept with a guy I met on the
computer
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Dream Title = Sleeping with the computer friend
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Dream date = last night
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed that I was in the
library
at Drexel University in Philadelphia.
There was a computer terminal in there
with the name "CompUMate" on it. The
screen was black with green letters.
This was a semilucid dream so I was
interested in playing with the machine
and seeing how it would work. I noticed
that any words I typed remained on the screen
only as long as I looked at them steadily; if
I looked away then back they would have
disappeared. Pressing various keys would
call up screens full of characters, which
looked convincing in overview, but if I tried
to read them the words would either be real words
that made no sense taken together, or else nonsense
words that looked like English but were quite
meaningless.
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Dream Title = CompUMate
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Dream date = February 3, 1991
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
Ø Summer Solstice Celebration & Workshop
Ø Club del Sueno
Ø New Book: "Dreamweaving"
Ø ASD A Dream Odyssey
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
> Applications of Lucid Dreaming Wanted
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
Ø Check out the new Dream Tree
Ø Dream Guide Interpretation Service
Ø Personal Dream Dictionary
Ø Online Dreamwork with Spinner-Soft
DREAM CALENDAR for June 2001
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N E W S
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Summer Solstice Celebration & Workshop
Sun. June 24, 1-4pm
In Motion Studio, 813 San Pablo @ Solano, Albany.
$10 fee for art materials
Join Ellie Fidler for a Summer Solstice celebration & workshop with
myths, folktales, dreams and art. Meet lions & leopards, lion goddesses,
scarab beetles, eagle, raven, phoenix & more. Special slide show &
painting in gold! Bring dreams. Advance reservations please. Call Ellie
at 510-649-1971.
Directions: From 80 or 580 take Buchanan/Albany exit to San Pablo. Turn
left (north) on San Pablo. One half block north of Solano turn right
into parking lot. In Motion Studio, 813 San Pablo Ave. is the red door
behind Royal Caf (The door doesn't face the street)
>>> Club del Sueno
Buenos Aires, Mayo de 2001
Agradeceremos dar difusi¢n a la siguiente
GACETILLA:
El d¡a mircoles 30 del corriente a las 20 hs., en nuestro
6o. Ciclo Annual de Charlas de Difusi¢n, la Dra. Margarita
Blanco se referir al tema:
INSOMNIO: EL SUE¥O PERDIDO
La reuni¢n se realizar en el Sal¢n de Actos de la Fundaci¢n
Alfredo Thomson, La Rioja 951, 1er. Piso, (1221) Capital .
La entrada es libre y gratuita. Informes: Tel. 4957-4770;
TelFax: 4956-0120, de 10 a 14 hs. CorreoElectr¢nico: club@rems.com.ar
P gina Web: www.rems.com.ar
>>> New Book: DreamWeaving
"Dreamweaving: Using Dream Guidance to Create Life's Tapestry"
was published in January byA.R.E. Press. DREAM WEAVING is unique
among dream books because it is more than a "how-to" or a
dictionary of symbols. This book takes readers on an intimate
journey inside of the author's dreams and shows how dreams can be
a source of wisdom, guidance, and hope for our daily lives.
Rosemary Guiley, author of several dream books including
"Dreamwork for the Soul", says: "The wonderful insights in this
book go straight to the heart of life. Emily L. VanLaeys presents
an engaging story of her personal and spiritual development, set
against a backdrop of compelling dreams. If ever you wondered
about the importance of dreams, Emily's book provides dramatic
testimony to how God speaks to us every night, and how our dreams
help us to stay on course to fulfill our highest expression and
good." "Dreamweaving" is available
from the Barnes & Noble and
Amazon websites.
>>> The Association for the Study of Dreams Presents: A Dream
Odyssey, July 10-15, 2001
http://www.asdreams.org/2001
An international conference on dreaming with over 100 events and
speakers on the beautiful campus of the University of California
at Santa Cruz. The conference is open to the public and
appropriate for professionals as well as those with a general
interest in all aspects of dreams and dreaming.
1) Click for complete 2001 conference daily schedule, brochure,
registration, accommodations, setting, travel arrangements, and
Continuing Education (CE) information
http://www.asdreams.org/2001 or call the 2001 Conference
Hotline: (866) DREAM12 (toll-free)
Visualize dreaming in a redwood forests and then log on and
ponder over a hundred conference events including research
symposia, expressive arts and personal growth workshops,
extensive continuing education (CE) credits, PSI explorations
and experiments, a Sunday children's Dream Fair, live web casts
and international chats during the conference.
On Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, a comprehensive overview of
nightmare through human history and through the individual life
cycle as well as multiple clinical approaches to nightmares, and
a skeleton key to understanding sleep disorders that occur with
nightmares. Help us untangle and tame the mysteries of nightmares!
2) THE SITE AND FACILITIES OF THE 2001 CONFERENCE:
http://www.asdreams.org/2001/asd18_setting.htm
3) REGISTER NOW! Please register soon to guarantee your spot on ASD's
summer 2001 Dream Odyssey. Register online or download registration
forms, http://www.asdreams.org/2001/asd18_registrationidx.htm
4)CE CREDITS AT THE JULY 2001 ASD CONFERENCE CE PROGRAM TITLE:
NIGHTMARES AND THE LIFE CYCLE 30 CE Credits in Dream Studies
from the Association for the Study of Dreams. 15 MCEP Credits for
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30 BBSE Credits apply for California MFT and LCSW Psychotherapists.
MCEP Provider Number: ASN 015 Course ASN015-01
5) CHECK OUT OUR WEEKEND CONTINUING EDUCATION (CE) MINI-CONFERENCE
FROM FRIDAY, JULY 13TH 7PM TO SUNDAY JULY 15TH AT 3 PM
Geared for mental health and health professionals, dream
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update on nightmares from clinical and medical perspectives with
updates on posttraumatic nightmares, theories about the
functions of nightmares, children's dreams, sleep disorders
linked to nightmares, and a comparison of different
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including Jungian, Cognitive, and Contemporary Psychoanalytic approaches.
6) ABSTRACTS! 2001 Conference proposal abstracts are now online
on our web site. Click here to read conference abstracts.
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7) To join the Association for the Study of Dreams and receive discounts
at the conference and many other benefits:
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>>Applications of Lucid Dreaming Wanted
What do you value about lucid dreams? Why do you care about having
lucid dreams? There are a wide range of answers given to this question
including inner adventure, fantasy fulfillment, creativity, rehearsal
for living, overcoming nightmares, personal development, and spiritual
practice. We would like to hear what you value about lucid dreaming,
what you have done with the lucid dreams you have had, and what you
would do with them if you could have them every night. In preparation
for upcoming experiments, we are especially seeking examples in several
areas: creative problem solving, rehearsal/ dream practice (e.g.,
sports, dance, martial arts, public speaking, etc.), and experiences of
deep meaning or transcendence. Please email your accounts to
whyld@lucidity.com.
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W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S
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>>> Check out the New Dream Tree
http://www.dreamtree.com
The Dream Tree, an online resource center for dreamers, has been
completely redesigned, and now features even more opportunities for
interactivity and community, with easier, more intuitive, navigation
use a pull-down menu for the main sections of the website at the top of
each page, scroll through the icons for individual pages listed at the
bottom of each page, or use the new search engine. Come by and take the
latest poll, join a regional discussion group, enter a dream forum, or
search the website. If you find a page you'd like to bookmark, just
click and save! For direct links to some your favorite pages, try these:
Global Dreaming News -- http://www.dreamtree.com/News/GDNews.htm
A monthly update of all the dream-related news worldwide, including the
latest events, research requests, dream travel, online updates, and much
more!
Dream Calendar -- http://www.dreamtree.com/News/Calendar.htm
Monthly listing of dream workshops, conferences, classes, and other
events.
Discussion Groups -- http://www.dreamtree.com/Community/Discussion.htm
Tune into online dreamsharing groups, regional discussion groups, and
many more internet opportunities to connect with other dreamers
Forum and Bulletin Board -- http://www.dreamtree.com/cgi-
bin/Ultimate.cgi
Features five interactive forums: dream sharing, dreams & creativity,
general forum, help the Dream Tree Grow, and networking.
Dreamworkers -- http://www.dreamtree.com/Community/Dreamworkers.htm
Need to find a dream group or a dreamworker in your area? Then check out
this section of the website!
>>> Dream Guide Dream Interpretation Service
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mtbrand=AOL_U
Over twenty years ago, I began working on my own dreams after
hearing Ann Farraday and after attending my first of three
Intensive Journal Workshops (Ira Progoff). Subsequently, I was
involved in a variety of Jungian workshops and, over the years
have had exposure to many dream notables including several times
Robert Johnson and Jeremy Taylor.
Among my credentials, I am a National Certified and North
Carolina Licensed Professional Counselor, a Certified Diplomate
of the American Psychotherapy Association, a trained Spiritual
Director and an ordained Presbyterian Church (USA) minister. I
hold a Doctor of Ministry Degree from Union Theological Seminary.
For many years now, I have been leading workshops and working
individually with clients in the area of Dreamwork and Spiritual
Growth.
>>>The Dream Page
http://fly.to/thedreampage
From R. Kalisvaart, the author of the site: "This page was "born" with
the fact that I had been having a lot of strange and wonderful dreams.
Now, I've created a place where everybody can chat about their dreams
and post their dreams on the messageboard for all the world to read.
For some variation, I've also created a poetry section and an art
section. I'm always willing to put poems or art from visitors on the
site. The first two visitor contributions are from Madeline. She has
submitted the two pencil drawings in the art section. There's also a
"secret-section". But you'll have to find that yourself "
>>> Personal Dream Dictionary Opportunity
www.dreamershaven.com/page1002.html
Dreamershaven.com is having a Grand Opening special on its
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until June 30, 2001.
>>>Online Dreamwork with Spinner-Soft
http://www.spinner-soft.com
The Spinner-Soft website now functions as an online dreamwork group
that is totally open to your timing convience. You can enter a dream at
any time, comment on your own dream and or comment on others dreams. We
use the respectful "If it were my dream approach and welcome all forms
of dreamwork. You can also receive email notification that someone has
commented on your dream so you only have to check back should their be
a comment. In addition, you may link your dream to any number of
metaphors and themes and give and receive comments on hose metaphors in
general or the use of the metaphor in your dream. A library of dreams
linked to specific metaphors and or themes can be built, allowing you
tolearn much about the wonderful diversity of usages of metaphors in
dreams. There is also a message board for dream discussions.
>>>DreamBank
http://www.dreambank.net/
This searchable collection of dream reports from UC Santa
Cruz lets you peer inside the head of a bright seven-year-
old boy, a natural scientist born in a small Midwest farming
town in 1893, a sixty-year-old blind cook, or an eight-year-
old girl ("many animal characters and relatively few
aggressions"). For sheer novelistic intrigue, don't miss the
dream diaries of Prudence, an English woman born in 1912
with a strong passion for literature: "Real buildings and
landscapes known to me seldom appear in my dreams, which
inhabit a country of their own, mostly of rocky sea-coasts
on which tidal waves often descend, and wild empty
countrysides sparsely scattered with castles and churches,
across which pass pilgrimages, processions, and man-hunts."
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D R E A M C A L E N D A R
June 2001
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June 1-3 in Denver, CO
Weekend Dream workshop. Contact Karl Kopp at 303.322.7738
June 6 Online
Online Chat with Stephen Laberge, Ph.D. Dream Time Live
For more information send a blank email to
chat@asdreams.org
June 22-24 in Puebla, Mexico
Weekend workshop with Jeremy Taylor in Puebla (about 1 hr from
Mexico City). Contact Irma and Julieta Azomoza at
pnlazomoza@infosel.net.mx
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 173
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Some recurring dreams
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
2. Re: Some recurring dreams
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
3. Re: [Re: Some recurring dreams]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
4. Re: Some recurring dreams
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:20:31 -0700
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
Subject: Re: Some recurring dreams
Chris -- I really enjoyed your revelatory dreams, especially the way you learned from
them how to overcome your fears.
--Leila
At 11:36 PM 4/18/2001 -0500, you wrote: >These are older dreams from many years
ago, but thought I would share them >with you,as I've always been fascinated by dreams
and have written mine down >for many years, and really enjoy reading all of yours as
well, "Angels fly because they take themselves lightly."
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:33:20 -0500
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
Subject: Re: Some recurring dreams
Dear Chris Thank you for sharing those two dreams. They are especially interesting
because they are not nonsensical, they seem like messages from you to you that are so
clear.Perhaps this is because you have been so diligent in paying attention to them. The
one I shared yesterday from october 95 is the only dream I've had where at least part of it
made sense to me. Even so, I really enjoy dreams (my own and those of others) for their
aesthetic as much as for any meaning they may impart.
Here is another of mine from years back. I wrote it first thing in the morning before I was
fully awake. This is one of the "nonsense" ones. Not that there couldn't be a message,
(tho' I certainly don't know what it might mean) I call it nonsense because of illogical
non-linear flow:
Missed the metro. The new blue train pulled quietly away. The curtains in all the cars
were drawn. The dirt down with the tracks was sloopy muddy. I threw a cone down there.
Water started to drip into it. A man came out of his office and showed me his technical
drawings of the metro. Walked through strange mall corridors. Had a date with Disa. We
sat on a bench and pretended to knit her crochet. Nearby a dog was glued to a table
display. He managed to pull himself free so I grabbed him and walked the other way. I
wanted to find my street. I thought I'd know its name when I saw it. I got lost anyway.
Classrooms for children. Libraries for art majors. Art projects everywhere. Light from the
sun. Handsome serious man. The dog was white with short hair. I loved him.
Performance art, Rock an' Roll group, a girl dancing with yellow chicks under her feet.
Comments from fellow dreamers welcome! ~Carole
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Message: 3
Date: 20 Apr 2001 00:22:24 MDT
From: yes wings <yes.wings
Subject: Re: [Re: Some recurring dreams]
Cool dream id like to kiss you awake *LOL "socaloca" <socaloca@ediscoverer.com>
wrote:
> --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: > MIME Type:
multipart/alternative > --------------------------------------------- Dear Chris Thank you for
sharing those two dreams. They are especially interesting because they are not
nonsensical, they seem like messages from you to you that are so clear.Perhaps this is
because you have been so diligent in paying attention to them. The one I shared yesterday
from october 95 is the only dream I've had where at least part of it made sense to me.
Even so, I really enjoy dreams (my own and those of others) for their aesthetic as much
as for any meaning they may impart.
Here is another of mine from years back. I wrote it first thing in the morning before I was
fully awake. This is one of the "nonsense" ones. Not that there couldn't be a message,
(tho' I certainly don't know what it might mean) I call it nonsense because of illogical
non-linear flow:
Missed the metro. The new blue train pulled quietly away. The curtains in all the cars
were drawn. The dirt down with the tracks was sloopy muddy. I threw a cone down there.
Water started to drip into it. A man came out of his office and showed me his technical
drawings of the metro. Walked through strange mall corridors. Had a date with Disa. We
sat on a bench and pretended to knit her crochet. Nearby a dog was glued to a table
display. He managed to pull himself free so I grabbed him and walked the other way. I
wanted to find my street. I thought I'd know its name when I saw it. I got lost anyway.
Classrooms for children. Libraries for art majors. Art projects everywhere. Light from the
sun. Handsome serious man. The dog was white with short hair. I loved him.
Performance art, Rock an' Roll group, a girl dancing with yellow chicks under her feet.
Comments from fellow dreamers welcome! ~Carole
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: My Really Bad Bream
From: mosseygirl
2. Re: mutual dreams, death speaks
From: mosseygirl
3. Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
4. Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]
From: mosseygirl
5. Re: [Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
6. Re: My Really Bad Bream
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
7. hiya dreamers
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
8. Lebanese Gypsies
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:36:25 EDT
From: mosseygirl
Subject: Re: My Really Bad Bream
Anything dreamed about with regards to incest, which this dream is, means you will fall
from honorable places or suffer loss in business.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:37:53 EDT
From: mosseygirl
Subject: Re: mutual dreams, death speaks
Shame Im madly in love with someone I had a mutual dream with... I wasnt before the
dream though.
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Message: 3
Date: 20 Apr 2001 17:00:29 MDT
From: yes wings <yes.wings
Subject: Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]
any sex dreams are about intigration of the unconcious not about any fortune telling
bullshit
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MOSS:
- Anything dreamed about with regards to incest, which this dream is, means you
will fall from honorable places or suffer loss in business.
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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: My Really Bad Bream
From: mosseygirl
2. Re: [Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]]
From: mosseygirl
3. Re: My Really Bad Bream
From: Enigma633
4. innocent injury/
From: Anonymous
5. I agree
From: Enigma633
6. Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]]]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
7. the cage
From: Anonymous
8. blair witch
From: Anonymous
9. the cage
From: Anonymous
10. money on the beach dream
From: Anonymous
11. Re: hiya dreamers
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
12. Re: [Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]]
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
13. Re: hiya dreamers
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
14. Re: [Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]]
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
15. Re: innocent injury/
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
16. Re: hiya dreamers
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
17. On recording dreams
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
18. Re: On recording dreams
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
19. Re: On recording dreams
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
20. Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]]]
From: mosseygirl
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:56:02 EDT
From: mosseygirl
Subject: Re: My Really Bad Bream
It is from a book, its the only thing Ive ever read about incest so I thought I would add
it...... This being a group sharing thing.. Cheers
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:56:46 EDT
From: mosseygirl
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]]
FROM A BOOK. And you have a problem with that why?
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:09:50 EDT
From: Enigma633
Subject: Re: My Really Bad Bream
I agree, any input should be welcome! This is a group sharing thing. Kudos' to you for
sharing.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:13:24 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: innocent injury/
Dream Title innocent injury/Flower
Date of Dream April 21, in the morning
Dream I was waitng for my ex husband to come and see me so we could talk
and possibly make love. My house was strange, something like a mixture of the house I
grew up in,and sometihng else I didn't recognize. incidently, my ex and I lived in my
mothers third floor while we were saving money for a house, this is where the dream
took place. Again, he was not communicating with me at all, avoiding all contact, His
avoidance angered me. People started to show up at the house, as if it were a party,
including his current wife. I grabbed a young girl, who was dressed as if it were a
blizzard outside, and I shook her hard, I wanted her to tell me what she knew about why
my ex was avoiding me. I felt as if she, and others were hiding something from me. As I
was roughing up this innocent girl, I threw her down the stairs! I could hear the railing
crashing to pieces, and people were yelling and screaming in horror. I immdiatly felt
horrified at my act. And asked mysel! ! f why I did this. Then I woke up.
Comments by Dreamer I dream about my ex husband frequently. It has only been in
the past year that my dreams have changed from us being lovers, to his complete
indifference. But I have never, ever became violent and hurt someone in my dreams, or in
real life.
I feel that these dreams mean that I am becoming frustrated at the lack of communication
between us in waking life. The girl in the dream could have been myself. Maybe I threw
myself down the stairs, out of extreme frustration with the whole situation.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:27:12 EDT
From: Enigma633
Subject: I agree
I agree, this group is for sharing, and any sharing should be welcomed. Kudos' to those
who do share.
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Message: 6
Date: 21 Apr 2001 11:02:02 MDT
From: yes wings <yes.wings
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: My Really Bad Bream]]]
Do you believe everything you read in a book ? ? ? mosseygirl wrote:
> --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: > MIME Type:
multipart/alternative > --------------------------------------------- FROM A BOOK. And you
have a problem with that why?
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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: to correct or not correct dream spellings?
From: Anonymous
2. almost boyfriend material
From: Anonymous
3. Re: hiya dreamers
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin" <pi
4. lost relatives
From: Anonymous
5. The War and Cannibal
From: Anonymous
6. Buttons
From: Anonymous
7. Snakes
From: Anonymous
8. Decapitation
From: Anonymous
9. Egg and Chick
From: Anonymous
10. TES' Travels
From: Anonymous
11. Amy
From: Anonymous
12. New Dream
From: Anonymous
13. Ghost dad
From: Anonymous
14. Re: almost boyfriend material
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:05:07 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: RE: to correct or not correct dream spellings?
From: "Judith Gips" <comadre@mindspring.com>
X-UIDL: 929f76dd6356bd298bf82d9069f6f55d
well, I can throw in some thoughts on this. I'm a good speller and editor but a terrible
typist, and I often record my dreams directly on my laptop immediately on awakening.
some of my stuff, especially if it has entered directly from the Web "Post" site on Yahoo!
rather than through a program such as Outlook express with built in spell check, reads
goofier than I would prefer. so, while some slips of the fingers are indicative of
something, (like my friend who wrote "I am somewhat bisexual but now very bisexual",
when he meant to say "not very...."...or did he?) most of them are just about coordination.
also...I have to admit to a certain amount of intellectual snobbism when I'm reading
dreams, as well as other places in my life. I can generally tell sloppy typing from general
ignorance about spelling, grammar, or syntax but though I'm not proud of this, I tend to
be more dismissive of someone who routinely misspells what I consider basic words, etc.
for me, even though it means "doctoring" the narrative some, it would be easier to let go
of my ego-overlay on whether I think people are "knowledgeable" or "naive" if we had
more uniformity in spelling.
this being said, it's obviously a big job to have to spell check or otherwise edit all this
stuff in addition to everything else going on! do you really want to take the time to do
so???? or is there a volunteer? and in case of not being sure about something, when the
spell-checker stops us, do we make the most educated guess at what it "should" be, or
merely "stet" (leave it as is) when in doubt?
take care.....Judith
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:03:57 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: almost boyfriend material
Dream Title almost boyfriend material
Date of Dream 4-20-01
Dream ok my guy friend and i have been really good friends for about 2 years
and recently we have been drifting apart.....i dreamnt that me, him, my friend, and her
boy friend were in a building. the first and second floor were this huge stadium. the
stadium wasn't round but..pool shaped.we decided to go to the top floor, the third, and we
descovered that it was a haunted house.we walked half way through and my guy friend
and i were cuddling and kissing all the way through.we went down stairs half way
through, and the stadium had been transformed into a huge pool. my friend wanted to go
swimming and my guy friend said he'd go with her.so her boyfriend came and sat next to
me in the bleachers and we were watching them.they were all over each other and they
almost kissed several times. when they came back up they were totally dry and i got up
so my guy friend could sit. he did and i sat on his lap and it went back to us kissing and
cuddling and i woke up. the only thing is that they do flirt a lot in real life but he doesnt
like her,he likes me and we have tryed to hook up twice and now he wants to try again.
so im very confused. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment
yes_share_comments Permission Comments
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:06:16 +0100
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin" <pi
Subject: Re: hiya dreamers
----- Original Message ----- From: socaloca Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dream-flow] hiya dreamers
| But your paragraph had a certain detail there didn't it. You | could have said "I dreamed
about Shelock Holmes' plumbing. | What does that mean?"
Yeah, I =could= have said that. But it wouldn't make very interesting reading for you --
or for me when I look back on it later. It can be annoying when I look back at my dream
journal and just see things like "I think I might have had a dream about buying oxygen or
laughing gas in a bar."
| Despite your deep sleep and slow waking you're a member | of this dream group
which means you're interested in dreams.
Good point. And most of these very short messages are just being forwarded here from
people who aren't in this group, so they aren't really interested in dreams anyway.
| So let me ask you what your recording habits are? | How often do you record what you
remember?
I only record dreams if I think I've got enough to be worth recording. If it's just a
fragment, like that Sherlock Holmes dream, I wouldn't normally bother any more.
| I enjoyed your fragment very much.Especially about Hudson | having to spell it out to
you. Can you remember what her | attitude was? Was she kind and helpful or did she
think you | were an imbicile? Either way it's a great image!!
I think she was just puzzled why I was asking about the floor in the first place. She
already thought I was odd, so she wasn't really surprised that I couldn't understand her
answer.
Here's another fragment from last night. Again, this one seemed too short when I woke
up, so I didn't bother putting this down in my journal. But looking at it now, I might be
wrong. There's a lot more here than I thought at the time... ____
I'm already in my hotel room. It's on the ground floor, and I'm looking out of the window
at a wide, shallow river. It's so shallow that the herd of cows wading in it look almost as
if they're walking on the water. The cows are all walking along the river in the same
direction. I go out of the hotel bedroom into the hall or corridor. Even though this was
the ground floor, there's a staircase leading down, and it doesn't look like it leads to a
basement.
(This next bit is a blur, but eventually) I go into another hotel room with my mother and
brother in it. I'm surprised she wants me in there, because I'd thought she didn't want me
on holiday with her. The two of them are sitting at a small table, playing a board game,
like a variation of Scrabble which has a board for each player. And the tiles are in a
comic book/sci-fi style font. There's a board and chair for a third player but I don't think
there's anyone sitting there. I look at my brother's words as I walk past him, and see
some sci-fi related words there too (eg. "Jules" and "Verne".)
I sit down at another table and start to talk with them. But I don't remember any of the
conversation, because that's when my alarm went off... ____
Now, any ideas what all that could mean?
Cheers, Pi.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:07:46 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: lost relatives
Dream Title lost relatives
Date of Dream 4/19/01
Dream i had this dream that my aunt and three cousons died, i dont know
how they died but i know that they did, all i saw was my uncle and my three cousons that
didnt die in the dream all washing dishes together. i dont know what this means but i
thought that dreams mean the opposit of what you are dreaming like i thought that maybe
somone in that family was going to have a baby is this true? Comments by Dreamer
Permission to Comment no_print_comments
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:07:17 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The War and Cannibal
Dream Title The War and Cannibal
Date of Dream 7:30 am CST. 04/22/01
Dream Location: Clear Greenhouse-like Army Tents/cubicles.
We are at war with China, I am holding a telephone cable that is being pulled from the
"other side". As I pull the cable back, I twist it around my hand to get a better grip. As
the cable is pulled closer to the hole, I fear my handing being cut off. This is because I
fear what it pulling the cable on the other side. I yank the cable out of the wall several
feet. Someone calls me to eat dinner, I show them I am busy with the cable. A voice says
"He is a man of duty first." I reluctantly go to the dinner table. Myself, a man, and 2
women. Somewhat attractive. I know somehow that the women are werewolves, or
cannibals at least. And for some reason the menu has 4 items, one of them being my
knees. At some point small insect sized missles start being fired upon us. I run out of the
transparent tents, and see a tank coming on a road several miles away. <end of dream>
Comments by Dreamer I am not sure what it means.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:16:53 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Buttons
Dream Title Buttons
Date of Dream 2/21
Dream I am walking with my girlfriend. We hear laughter out on
Pepperdine's baseball field. I start walking down towards the dugout, where my teamates
from the CCSN Coyotes are. Everyone is laughing. I ask Coach Chambers what was so
funny? He didn't answer me. I turn to Chris Mower and ask him what is so funny? He
starts laughing and then holds up my girlfriend's bra and panties. I turn to my girlfriend
she begind to laugh. I turn back to punch Chris and suddenly my girlfriend and I are at a
bar. She asks me "where are your buttons?" and then begins to sew buttons on me and
touch me. I ask her what the hell are you doing? I start to get angry and then all of a
sudden the fire sprinklers turn on
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:17:38 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Snakes
Dream Title Snakes
Date of Dream april 16
Dream What does it mean when you dream of snakes??
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:16:34 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Decapitation
Dream Title Decapitation
Date of Dream 04/05/01
Dream My daughter has been having dreams of headless people. She has told
me ones before that she had a dream of a womans head falling into a basket. Resently she
has had another dream of a headless man grabing her one year old brother and putting
him into a cage. What does this mean? My daughter is only 3 years old and we do not
watch scary movies infront of her.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:18:22 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Egg and Chick
Dream Title Egg and Chick
artemis browndeer
Date of Dream 4/16; early morning
Dream I had an ordinary hen's egg in my hands, when it started squirming
and changing shape. I got startled and threw it up in the air, and as the egg came back to
earth, I realized that it was hatching! When it did hatch, the chick was a fuzzy black-and-
white chick.
Comments by Dreamer possible interpretation: a rebirth that I am fearful of?
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:19:19 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: TES' Travels
Dream Title TES' Travels
Date of Dream 4/20/01-3am
Dream I'm at an airport in Japan with Mom. But I'm telling her it's Spain. I
go look at souvenirs, but of course, everything I like, mainly elaborate beadwork, is super
expensive. I tell myself this is just like the last time I was in Japan, always so concerned
about picking the "right" gifts. So I go into a store, and just like at the airport, you have
to get your bags x-rayed before you can go in. This one punky teenage boy just walks on
through though, and the shopkeeper, a young Japanese lady, tells me that "he probably
thinks it's a violation of his individual rights" but he's wrong- it's totally legal. I'm
looking around the store and the boy is really mean to me. The ladies ask me about me
and I tell them he's my brother, even though he's not. Then one of the ladies cuts my
necklace off my neck. She thinks she's being helpful, but she's ruined my necklace. I
think how bare I'll look without it, and start looking around the store for a safety! ! pin.
But every safety pin I find is for sale, and they are expensive, designer, silver safety-pins.
They tell me I can't use one of those. I finally find a normal safety pin lying around. The
shopkeeper lets me have it, and fixes my necklace.
Comments by Dreamer - I remember this dream very vividly.
- I have been to both Japan and Spain, so the countries aren't random!
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:17:58 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Amy
Dream Title Amy
Date of Dream 4/18 5:45 AM
Dream I had a dream this morning that I was at my friends house. Except
everything was under the ocean. And so we were doing something and He wasn't happy
with something so in order to make him happy, I turned into a whale and swam over his
house. After that he said he was so happy that he'd be happy forever. It was really kinda
cool.
Comments by Dreamer I think this may symbolize my going way out of my way to
make my friends very happy in a big way.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:18:55 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
Dream Title Alicet's Dream-Man
Date of Dream recurringDream-------------------------------------------------------------
-----------I have been having repeated dreams in which the same person is
constantlypresent. The dreams are WONDERFUL -- not really sexual, just warm, kind
andsemi-sensual -- almost like basking in the warm sunlight on a cool, clearspring day. If
I wake during the dream, I am usually able to put myselfback to sleep so as not to lose
the feelings. Since childhood, I have triedto do this - go back to sleep so that I may
continue a dream and havealways failed, until now. I see this person regularly, and
though we arenot particularly close, it is someone that I find interesting... The
reallystrange thing is that I often find myself thinking of this person, notobsessively - but
whenever my mind wanders, I seem to be involved in an"imaginary conversation" w/the
person. Kinda strange, I know. Mornings thatI am unable to recall my dreams, I find that
my first thoughts upon wakingare of this person and where they were, why not with
me...then I fully wakeand think "how silly!" Stranger yet - when the person and I am
together,topics that I have brought up ONLY in my head, questions that I wonderabout
the person, are answered subtley (but concretely) in our nextconversation. I am not sure
what to do...I am wondering if anyone hasexperienced anything like this before? Can this
happen -- someone sharingmy dreams w/me? I don't feel that there is any malicious
intent from thisperson, but it is confusing.It is strange, I can almost feel the person near
me at times when the dreamis still fresh. I call out for the person to come back,
sometimes theperson draws near to me but seems to hesitate amd usually pulls away
again- then I wake. I was with this person yesterday for a time, and (as always)we shook
and held hands momentarily before departing...my dreams arebecoming so real, it was
tempting to say something because I feel thatthere is a very real, very deep connection
somehow, somewhere, between us -but I don't know what to say (and also do not want to
sound like a "nut")Comments by Dreamer The dreams come at anytime, immediately
afterfalling asleep; middle of the night; early morning; or even while I amnapping on the
sofa during the afternoon or mid-morning!
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:17:08 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Ghost dad
Dream Title Ghost dad/ Jessie
Date of Dream April 11, 2001/early morn
Dream Ever since my father left me when I was about 9 I've had the
reoccuring dream of being at my old high school and standing by a wall I see a white car.
I didn't realy take much notice to it until later somebody shot at the person in the car. I
knew immediately it was my father. I'd run to the car to try to save him, but whenever I
got to the car I woke up.
Now I've switched high schools and haden't had the dream in about a year. Just recently
I've started to have another dream. This time involving another member of my family.
My grandmother. In this dream, I go on a hunt to find my missing family. We (my mum
and me) go to a trailer park and find the one my grandmother lives in. When we get in it
turns into this elaborate place. When I look around to find her, I go to this balcony thing
and look down and see her. Instantly I begin to cry. I jump down from the balcony to
her.Next thing I know we're in a living room talking. She hands me a baseball card of a
very familar mad and I know instantly that it's my father. I start to cry again. I just can't
believe that my father is doing so well and hasn't come to see me in 7 years. Then I'm in
another room, this time at my old house, on the couch we got rid of years ago. Then I
realize he's in the same room as me. When I go to see him, I wake up.
Comments by Dreamer It freaks me out, I need to know why.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments go for it, get all the advise you can.
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:57:13 -0700
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
Subject: Re: almost boyfriend material
Hi -- If this were my dream, I would associate the pool and swimming with the
unconscious. You'll notice that you "went downstairs halfway through" (another clue
pointing to the unconscious) and that's where you found the pool. You say that your
friend and your boyfriend "flirt" with each other. Maybe you believe something is really
going on there? I think the most important clue in the whole dream, though, is that
"when they came back up they were totally dry," which sounds to me as if they never
really connected with each other in that wonderful pool we call the "collective
unconscious."
At 11:03 AM 4/22/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Dream Title almost boyfriend
material >Date of Dream 4-20-01 >Dream ok my guy friend and i
have been really good >friends for about 2 years and recently we have been drifting
apart.....i >dreamnt that me, him, my friend, and her boy friend were in a building. the
>first and second floor were this huge stadium. the stadium wasn't round >but..pool
shaped.we decided to go to the top floor, the third, and we >descovered that it was a
haunted house.we walked half way through and my >guy friend and i were cuddling and
kissing all the way through.we went down >stairs half way through, and the stadium had
been transformed into a huge >pool. my friend wanted to go swimming and my guy
friend said he'd go with >her.so her boyfriend came and sat next to me in the bleachers
and we were >watching them.they were all over each other and they almost kissed
several >times. when they came back up they were totally dry and i got up so my guy
>friend could sit. he did and i sat on his lap and it went back to us >kissing and cuddling
and i woke up. the only thing is that they do flirt a >lot in real life but he doesnt like
her,he likes me and we have tryed to >hook up twice and now he wants to try again. so
im very confused. >
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Topics in this digest:
1. The Journey Home
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin"
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:40:29 +0100
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin"
Subject: The Journey Home
A very long dream last night, with lots of strange details.
Looking back, I think it might be several linked dreams,
but the storylines all fit together.
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I'm in a caf somewhere, probably central London --
although this will be contradicted later in the dream.
Friends and family (especially my brother and father) are
coming and going nearby. They'll stop and have a few
words. I think we're all supposed to be going somewhere
later.
It's the day when we all get our A-level exam results.
Everyone seems very excited by their grades: all "A"s and
"B"s. I take my results out of the envelope. A large
bundle of A4-size papers (not the tiny little slip of paper
results come on in real life). There in big 72-point
print is my grade, "C".
The papers go on to brutally describe in detail why I only
got a "C", why my studies have been such a failure, and why
I'm so completely useless at them. I can't bring myself to
read them. But I do notice that the examiners have also
marked my life and hobbies, and given them a "D".
They seem to think that the fact I like walking is
specially dull. Anyway, I'll show them. I'll walk home
from here. Yes, that's what I'll do. And I don't care
what they say about that.
(The text specifically mentions "fell walking" although I
don't do that IRL. I walked most of the way home from my
dad's house yesterday, although I did stop in a pub for a
drink.)
________
It's evening. I'm walking along a familiar street, on my
way home. The road is lined with the generic terraced and
semi-detached houses that you can find in almost any inner-
suburb of London, but this seems familiar.
(Looking back at the dream, I'm sure I've been to this
place -- or at least nearby -- in *other* dreams, but it's
not anywhere real.)
The sun is starting to set, and it's beginning to get dark.
I reach a complex junction of main roads, lots of flyovers
etc., which I have to cross using a foot subway. I go down
the ramp into the gloomy tunnels. There are other people
heading in the same direction as me, and some children
playing. For some reason, the children make me nervous.
The foot subway is damp, and there are large puddles in it.
Every time another ramp leads up to the surface, the tunnel
is open to the sky, and it must have been raining earlier.
We have to go through one very large muddy puddle, and I
don't want to get my best trousers wet. The children laugh
at me, and that makes me nervous. I walk faster, up the
ramp to ground level.
It's now night-time, and I think that I've come out of the
subway by the wrong exit. But it's too dark to be sure and
I don't want to go back down there to try another one. The
houses are all gone, and it's just a post-industrial
wasteland. I continue along the road, looking for some
landmark to tell me where I am. I soon find one. This
road is following the contours of a steep hill. I *have*
to reach the valley below.
________
The enclosed staircase, set into the side of an industrial
building, allows pedestrians like me to move between the
road above and the valley below.
(It's similar to a real staircase on Holborn Viaduct, but I
don't notice that at the time.)
However, it is now the dead of night, and there is no
lighting. As I descend, I notice that it makes no
difference if my eyes are open or closed -- everything is
pitch black.
This darkness would make it perfect for muggers. And I
just heard a noise from below me, as if someone was waiting
there. Luckily, I'm on the last flight of stairs, nearly
at the bottom, so when a train passes along the nearby
railway in the valley, the light from its windows shines
dramatically onto the foot of the stairs, revealing four
football (soccer) fans. I'm worried they might be
hooligans, but as long as I don't say I support a rival
team, I should be Ok.
In fact, they're walking away from me anyway. And as I
reach the bottom of the stairs, I see why. It's not a
street but a railway station platform. A train -- the one
I saw earlier? -- is standing there, and lots of football
fans are hanging around. I realise that a big match is
going to be played tonight -- a final or an international -
- and this is the special train that's going to take them
there.
(I think maybe it really is the FA Cup Final today, but I'm
no sports fan, so I'm not sure.)
There seem to be many shops, stalls and kiosks on the
platform. Even the carriages of the train have been
converted into shops. My mouth is feeling dry, and I want
to by a pack of orange flavour sweets to suck, but the
crowd of football fans is just to great. I can see the
sweets on the counter, but I can't reach it.
But there are other things on sale. I find a toy for young
children, based on the Rugrats cartoon. It's a frame in
the shape of the character Dylan's head, and you have to
arrange magnetic shapes to make his face. I push the
shapes around a bit, but just end up making it worse. I
leave before his brother Tommy arrives and sees what I've
done.
________
As I leave the station, I'm pleased to see that it's
sunrise. That means I'll have light to see where I'm
going. It's another generic inner-suburban street.
There's a pub sign up ahead, The Mitre, which means that
the station I've just left was Norwood Junction, almost
back where I started from.
(This contradicts the beginning of the story, where I felt
like I was in central London. Norwood is in south London,
a mile or so from my home. The station and surrounding
streets are not like the real Norwood Junction at all.
I've recently been reading a lot about Jack the Ripper, who
killed one of his victims in Mitre Square which my be where
I got that pub name from.)
It's almost no time before I reach the complex road
junction again, only now it's all changed. The foot subway
has been totally remodelled, to make it less oppressive,
more open and cheerful. But instead of ramps, there are
now twisting, spiral staircases intersecting each other at
weird angles.
I nearly stumble and fall as I step from one staircase to
another, and count myself lucky I'm not wearing high heels.
I must remember to tell Ken Livingstone (the Mayor of
London) that he's done good work getting this place rebuilt
so quickly, but he really should do something about these
steps.
This time I leave through the right exit, and following
another street, I arrive at a square. This square has also
been newly built, so I don't know its name. I try looking
around for a street sign, but I don't exactly find one.
There are plenty of other signs, including above the
entrance to the shopping mall. But they keep changing
every time I see them, so they can't be important.
One thing that I do see however, is a sort of map on a
plinth. I can't quite make out what it's saying but
apparently a wall of one of the buildings was once part of
the old Slade prison, and that wall is still owned by the
prison authorities.
(Slade was the name of the prison in the seventies' sitcom
Porridge, but I can't see the connection here.)
And I must have been here before the square was rebuilt
because the map says another building is named after me.
Or rather, named after my Yahoo screen-name
Solarpenguin_2000. However, it must be a mistake because I
can't find the building on the ground.
As I cross the square, I notice there are tram-tracks set
into the road surface. I'm impressed that the Mayor is
thinking this far ahead, putting tram-tracks down during
the rebuilding even though the tramlines don't reach here
yet.
________
However, the tramline has already been extended to a road
just around the corner from there. There's a tram waiting
there and I get on it. I notice that it's a new design,
and the driver's console can be folded down when not in
use, to make more seats at the rear.
While I'm waiting for the tram to start, I listen to some
of the other passengers gossiping. (I don't remember what
they said, but I think Hitler was mentioned.) The tram is
about to start, and there's a new street atlas that
someone's left on the seat beside me. Although it's new,
the maps are drawn in a very "retro" style, like old
Victorian maps. But it's still new enough to show this new
tramline, and I follow the route on the page as we go.
(I won't bore you with the details of the route, but it
would be totally impossible in real life. However, it does
seem to be consistent with the distorted versions the
neighbourhoods around my house in my other dreams.)
I get off the tram just around the corner from my house,
and walk back towards it. I'll soon be home. Finally. On
my way there I pass another tram stop. This one has chairs
and tables everywhere, like a continental-style outdoor
pavement caf. There's a tram there, all its doors wide
open and I can't tell where the outdoor caf ends and the
tram's interior begins.
________
...And then I woke up.
Interesting that the dream (or sequence of dreams) begins
AND ends with
a caf.
And there's a recurring theme of things that are neither
indoors nor outdoors: e.g.. the foot subway with its ramps,
the staircase set into the side of the building, the train
carriage that had been converted to shops, the prison wall
that keeps it's own identity even though it's now part of
another building, the tram that's indistinguishable from
the pavement caf beside it...
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
P.
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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Drowning of Son
From: Anonymous
2. Re: Drowning of Son
From: Arlene S <romablack
3. Dream Article
From: dreams
4. Re: hiya dreamers
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
5. Series of murder dreams
From: aquastimpy
6. Re: The War and Cannibal
From: "Chris M." <caringheart2000
7. Re: hiya dreamers
From: "P. Ingerson" <pi
8. Tai Chi Cathedral
From: Anonymous
9. The Ex Husband
From: Anonymous
10. My Spider Dream
From: Anonymous
11. Re: Tai Chi Cathedral
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:45:35 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Drowning of Son
Dream Title Drowning of Son - Nicole
Date of Dream 4/23/2001at 4:04 AM4/23/01 4:04 AM4/23/01 4:04 AM I woke
with a start
Dream I was dreaming of being in a outdoor church like enclosure - it had a
wooden roof and screened in sides. People were under floorboard and water was already
about 3 feet high and some could get out others could not. I then saw sunshine and the
water retreated, to reveal my own son, (who had not been in the dream until this point)
lying on the floor, at the edge if the pew (as if he had been trying to get out). He was
dead. This was so upsetting to me, I have told friends about it, it brought me to the point
of tears and I can't get it out of my head.
Comments by Dreamer This dream has me very upset, my son is a talented young
man, age 14 and he recently related to me that he and his step-brother had used a OuiJa
board, my son asked him what would happen at camp this summer, it replied "He will
Die". Please help if you can.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:11:40
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From: Arlene S <romablack
Subject: Re: Drowning of Son
Hi Nicole
>From what I understand, very very rarely are dreams of loved one's "death" prophetic.
It's more likely that the death represents some great transformation with either that
person, or your relationship to him/her. This isn't to say you shouldn't be cautious. I know
dreams like this can be terrifying--I've had them before and they are hard not to take
literally! Your son is 14--puberty is one of the biggest most awkward transformations or
"deaths" I can think of! No longer a child, not really an adult either. This might be a good
thing to look at: What are your feelings about your son going through adolescence?
Especially as a mother--oftentimes when the son goes through puberty he shies away
from the mother leaving her frustrated and hurt. It feels like he's leaving her, or their
relationship is "dying."
And as far as the ouija board goes, I wouldn't put any faith in that whatsoever. My sister
plays with the ouija board all the time, and never once has it predicted anything of truth.
Either it's the person who's playing, subconciously moving the mouse, or if there are
indeed spirits out there, they're trying to scare the people playing by talking about "death"
and or "satan." . Playing ouija is like dialing a random number. THe source is unknown,
and therefore unreliable.
I hope this helps! I don't want to discount the possibilty of this being a prophetic dream,
but I want to urge you to look at other, more likely possibilities.
Roma
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Dream Title Drowning of Son - Nicole > Date of Dream 4/23/2001at 4:04
AM > > 4/23/01 4:04 AM > 4/23/01 4:04 AM I woke with a start > Dream I
was dreaming of being in > a outdoor church like > enclosure - it had a wooden roof and
screened in > sides. People were under > floorboard and water was already about 3 feet
high > and some could get out > others could not. I then saw sunshine and the water >
retreated, to reveal > my own son, (who had not been in the dream until > this point)
lying on the > floor, at the edge if the pew (as if he had been > trying to get out). He >
was dead. This was so upsetting to me, I have told > friends about it, it > brought me to
the point of tears and I can't get it > out of my head. > Comments by Dreamer This
dream has me very > upset, my son is a talented > young man, age 14 and he recently
related to me that > he and his step-brother had used a OuiJa board, my > son asked him
what would > happen at camp this summer, it replied "He will > Die". Please help if you
can. > >
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: hiya dreamers
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
2. special dream gal
From: Anonymous
3. hiya dreamers
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
4. Re: Re: hiya dreamers
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin" <pi
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:03:33 -0500
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
Subject: Re: Re: hiya dreamers
Yeah, I enjoyed that. I've even got an idea of what it might symbolise. But I've never
really interpreted anyone's dreams before so I'm kind of reluctant to post my ideas here. I
am a visual artist and one of the things I enjoy most about my work is other people's
interpretations of it. Sometimes people come up with stuff which is no where near my
intention. But it is my contention that everybody's interpretation is correct because
everybody views art like they view the world through their own eyes via the filter of their
oNown experience and subjectivity. No matter what the interpretation I feel more
connected to people who have made one. Dreams are the same way for me. I rarely
interpret mine or anybody elses but if an idea occurs to me I say it, only because if one
occurs to you about something of mine, I want to hear it. Dreams I enjoy especially as an
aesthetic. So as one dream artist to another, please tell me your idea about my blond
cousins dream.
. I think actor Paul McGann (from "Doctor Who") might have been in the bit of the
dream I can't remember. But I'm still not sure.
I have had Judge Reinhold, Harvey Keitel and Edward Asner in dreams. hehe.
Noworries, Pi. Share 'em when ya get'em. I don't remember mine from last night either.
~Bits
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:32:40 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: special dream gal
Dream Title special dream gal
Date of Dream 4/24/ 3am
Dream i dreamed i was having a boy . i alwaays wanted a baby. people tell
me my first baby is going to be a girl. in my drem i was telling my self what am igoing
to do with a boy.
Comments by Dreamer what does that mean.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:39:22 -0500
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
Subject: hiya dreamers
I had this dream sometime last year. Edward is my boyfriend, Dot is his grandmother,
Nico was my guitar teacher when I was living in Barcelona. Comments from fellow
dreamer's welcome.
LYNCHING
I and Edward's family were having a holiday meal in a seedy diner. I had all the gifts in
my hands, they were rods about 4" long as thick as a finger they were all grayish blue
violet except one which was pink. Then all of them were gone but the pink, and
everybody in our party except Ed were at the front of the restaurant each under a big
hairdryer. I realized that my pink rod was an enema tip I went up to Dot under a dryer to
ask her the meaning of this gift. She said she thought I could use it. I went back to the
table and I was very angry when I sat down. I shouted "that's none of her business" loud
enough for all to hear and I was embarrassed and so was Ed. I excused myself to go, I
started out the door but went back to leave something, I don't remember what, with
Edward to hold onto for me. Outside, I recognized that I was within ambitious walking
distance to downtown Barcelona of my bad dreams. I was gonna go down there to cheer
up. I was gonna go by Nico's flat and ask him if I left my iguana in his care.(I don't have
an iguana in waking life) As I set off I noticed a large toad ambling along the sidewalk
which worried me for its safety so with my foot, I encouraged it to turn to my right and
proceed via an alley where there was no traffic. Then I myself continued along my way. I
could see the skyline from here. I could see two tall black glass buildings that I
recognized and was gonna aim toward them. Next I was joined by some little ethnic kids
begging. I gave them no thing. I had a camera which I stuck in a blue lunch bag. As soon
as the children abandoned me a gang of muggers surrounded her (yes, at that moment my
view became second person) They took all her bags and her coat and boots then
compelled her to a wherehouse space where they were going to hang her from the rafters.
She attempted to reason with them saying robbery was not as serious a sin as murder,
they said that it was already too late for them so even if they spared her life they would
still go to hell. The rope around her neck, she hung in the middle of the space while they
all at one end watched her dangling. But her head started to slip from the noose which
must have been tied wrong. Just as she stated to fall out of it, the lights went out and she
had a pitchfork in her hands, and they were more confused than she, thus was she able to
pierce them all. They were all passively bleeding to death but one who though he was
surely dying, desired to suck her blood as if it would prolong his life. He had still the
strength to grab and hold on to her but he had no means to pierce her. While he was
looking for a sharp object he could not at the same time prevent her grabbing a new
weapon for herself. It was a propane welder, she lit it and tried to burn his face with it but
instead lit both her own eyes on fire then she dropped the burner down and it burned her
belly in its descent. She did not scream or cry out in anyway while her eyeballs
smoldered in their sockets and the dying mugger who held her , pierced her neck with a
key and smiling, drank her blood. I can't believe it got that far before I awoke.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:41:24 +0100
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin" <pi
Subject: Re: Re: hiya dreamers
----- Original Message ----- From: socaloca <socaloca@ediscoverer.com> To: <dream-
flow@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [dream-
flow] Re: hiya dreamers
| I am a visual artist and one of the things I enjoy most about my | work is other
people's interpretations of it. ... So as one dream artist | to another, please tell me your
idea about my blond cousins dream. |
Ok. I'll post it when I get back this evening.
(on remembering dreams:) | Share 'em when ya get'em. I don't remember mine from last |
night either. |
I remember a couple from last night. Both very different. Again, I'll post them later when
I've got time.
Cheers. ____
"I invited her to become invisible and have dreams that are associated with the
Government" -- MegaHal.
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: My Really Bad Bream
From: "artemis browndeer" <artemis133
2. Re: the cage
From: "artemis browndeer" <artemis133
3. strange man in every dream
From: Anonymous
4. SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:31:48 -0400
From: "artemis browndeer" <artemis133
Subject: Re: My Really Bad Bream
I guess interpretations taken from a book are ok, but i think that more needs to be known
about the individual's life and state of mind before a more accurate reading is given.
something straight from a book, applied to a specific individual, is a little too general.
artemis b. ----- Original Message ----- From: mosseygirl To: dream-
flow@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [dream-
flow] My Really Bad Bream
It is from a book, its the only thing Ive ever read about incest so I thought I would add
it...... This being a group sharing thing.. Cheers
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:39:19 -0400
From: "artemis b" <artemis133
Subject: Re: the cage
maybe you are living a relatively materially comfortable life, but still feel that you are
being held back, "caged", in some way. as for the #19, i don't know. are you married?
how old were you when you got married if you are? does the age of 19 have any special
significance for you?
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: [dream-flow] the cage
Dream Title the cage- Lil Faerie Lost Date of Dream Dream i keep
having this dream where im sitting in a huge ornate white bird cage. and i keep hearing
the number 19 repeated in my ear. by some unknown voice. im not a bird, im myself, and
im not scared or being held against my will, although i seem to be trapped, but im just in
this cage, hearing 19...19...19.... weird dream.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:02:51 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: strange man in every dream
Dream Title strange man in every dream
Date of Dream april 21 3:20
Dream The other night i had a dream that i was vistiong my grandma where
she lives and i was walking around her house. she told me to go to school and the school
was right across the street from her house. So i went in and it was like my normal school
all my friends and other people. Well i went in to the gym and there was the basketball
team and the only thing was when i went in there i didn't kknow any of the people. so i
went up to this one guy and he said something but i couldn't hear him asnd then he just
started kissing me but i didn't know him. Then i really started to like him and then my
friend came up and got me and made me leave. Thats all that happen.
Comments by Dreamer I have dreams about guys and falling in love with them all the
time in my dreams but someone stops me. Does this mean im supossed to fall in love
soon but my friends are stoping me from doing it.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:31:39 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT
Dream Title SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT
Date of Dream 04/24/01 3:00am
Dream I'VE BEEN DREAMING LATELY THAT I MURDER PEOPLE. I
don't know who the person is, but i can see the body in a grave. I am burying them. The
last dream i had about murder, i didn't murder, but i knew where the body was. So, i
ratted on my friends and gave it away!
The dream that disturbs me the most is the one i had last night. I dreamt that "smells like
teen spirit" by nirvana was blasting in my house at the same time i filled my Jacuzzi up
with hot water and the next thing i knew i was standing in the Jacuzzi with my arms out
(like jusus) i had slit my wrists! I saw it in the mirror, this is when i woke up! Comments
by dreamer these dreams have really been bothering me. Something is up and i don't
know what
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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: [special dream gal ]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
2. Re: [Re: Drowning of Son]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
3. Re: [Re: Digest Number 168]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
4. Re: Re: hiya dreamers
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin" <pi
5. Dreaming of New York
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin" <pi
6. Dreaming of cult sci-fi shows
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin" <pi
7. Re: hiya dreamers
From: "P. Ingerson" <pi
8. Weird
From: Anonymous
9. making love
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: 26 Apr 2001 23:01:00 MDT
From: yes wings <yes.wings
Subject: Re: [special dream gal ]
Its wishfull dreaming projecting. Hope you want what you get.
Dream Title special dream gal Date of Dream 4/24/ 3am Dream
i dreamed i was having a boy . i alwaays wanted a baby. people tell me my first baby is
going to be a girl. in my drem i was telling my self what am igoing to do with a boy.
Comments by Dreamer what does that mean.
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Killing
From: Anonymous
2. a shark named peppie
From: Anonymous
3. smooth stone in the water
From: Anonymous
4. love
From: Anonymous
5. strange
From: Anonymous
6. The violet highheel shoes
From: Anonymous
7. Re: love
From: stacey rainey <hippie_feet
8. Re: smooth stone in the water
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:26:39 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Killing
Dream Title Killing by Liz
Date of Dream 4/27/01
Dream I dreamed that a female friend and I pushed two male friends of ours
off a tall building. One of them survived and I was angry.
Comments by Dreamer The person that was suppose to die in my dream is a friend of
mine.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:27:03 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: a shark named peppie
Dream Title a shark named peppie
Date of Dream all the time
Dream i am swimming beside my dad and brother while they are surfing and
i suddenly start to sink. then i am standing on the bottom of the ocean on the sand
looking up at them..and they are looking down at me. a shark named peppie comes over
and starts to swim circles around me and he keeps on asking me why I am not swimming.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:26:14 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: smooth stone in the water
Dream Title smooth stone in the water
Date of Dream April 26, 2001 5 am
Dream I see myself in a fetal position, feeling very warm, comfortable, and
happy. Then, I slowly change form into a smooth stone resting in a flowing stream, the
water lapping gently around me. The other stones around and under me have worn and
crumbled into smaller rocks, but not I. I am a smooth stone, strong, the water feels nice
flowing by, but does not wear me down. I am happy where I am. I hold my position in
the stream with no effort. The stream washes around me but does not try to move me, as
though it is pleased to have things remain so.
Comments by Dreamer This is the first dream I have had where I was anything other
than in human form.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:27:57 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: love
Dream Title love
Date of Dream 4-27-01
Dream me and this boy like ezchother but were kinda waiting for the other
person to make the first move and we always stared at eachother but i had a dream that
when i went to my locker my friend was in his locker come to find that they have been
dating for a month. Maybe its telling me to make a move before he goes or just for me to
give up after that i got in a fight with cats. a gray and a white one
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:25:06 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: strange
Dream Title strange/noele
Date of Dream 6:15 am
Dream first i was dreaming i was at a friend's work..her boss was yelling for
her..she was in trouble..then the dream went to the mall where 4 teenagers were telling
me that my son's ex was leaving..i dislike the ex..they aren't together in real..then the
dream went to a body of water..i was standing in it with my husband when in front of me
i saw to dead bodies floating..one was facing me..a little girl in pink with blonde hair..the
other was turned away from me..but she was in a white shirt..when i tried to go help..my
husband wouldn't let go of mu hands..he was looking right at them..i said to him a few
times..let go..but he wouldn't..i woke myself up yelling let me go
Comments by Dreamer this is a strange dream..but have had it 3 times before
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:27:38 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The violet highheel shoes
Dream Title The violet highheel shoes by Saendr
Date of Dream April 25 th 2001
Dream I am in some kind of vacation resort in the Alps. I am first in a kind of
restaurant pub, several people are there. I am commenting to some relatives the new
experience of being now in a European country. Then i am spottin a coworker of mine. I
have this strange feeling on getting his attention or making some kind of contact. I know
his "uncle" owns a shoe shop and he is always bragging on this one being the best shop (
in my dream not in real life, i have no clue about his personal life) so i go to the shop
with the intention of buying a pair of shoes. I am talking to his uncle about it while
approaching him in the entrance of the commercial center where is the restaurant at the
same time. Everything is in dark wood old European style. It is at night all is so dark with
artificial lightening. The shoe shop is closed, so the uncle opens it. I know he noticed i
entered, and he smiles and approaches the shop to talk to me. ANd i act like" Oh what a
coinc! ! idence!" and start talking to him, we are alone at the shop, and talking-flirting, i
am enjoying his company way to much for it to be true, but i feel so comfortable and
happy. Then the shop gets filled with people, mostly women dieying to try the shoes and
buy. Then he takes me to a corner to show me some nice shoes, i was looking for
highheel ones, and he shoes me a beautiful pair of high heel violet shoes. With stripes to
tie like ballet shoes. i liked them but he offered to buy them. SO he got them for me with
the promess of me to get him shoes next time. So i thank him, and gave him a hug, but
the hug turn into an emotional flirting one, and we end up kissing. Then i left wondering
for the next time to see him. THough i knew he wasn't staying around in the city for long.
But maybe for a while to start " something"
Comments by Dreamer This is a very curious one as i have been dreaming with the
same thing for three consecutive days! Not even a slightly bit forcing it! In real life the
idea of dating that coworker has never crossed my mind. I have a boyfriend which I love.
But the dream is so nice!
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments Please give me any clue of what means to dream with the same
thing over and over, This has never happen tome. THough the dream is so nice i look
forward of having it again!
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: stacey r <hippie_feet
Subject: Re: love
Please remove me from your mailing list
Dream Title love > Date of Dream 4-27-01 > Dream me and
this boy like > ezchother but were kinda > waiting for the other person to make the first
move > and we always stared at > eachother but i had a dream that when i went to my >
locker my friend was in > his locker come to find that they have been dating > for a
month. Maybe its > telling me to make a move before he goes or just for > me to give up
after > that i got in a fight with cats. a gray and a white > one > >
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There are 17 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Killing
From: Arlene S <romablack
2. Re: love
From: Arlene S <romablack
3. recurring apology dreams
From: Anonymous
4. The cemetery
From: Anonymous
5. Black Horse
From: Anonymous
6. Words
From: Anonymous
7. Little sparkling things
From: Anonymous
8. Involvment
From: Anonymous
9. Re: Words
From: stacey rainey <hippie_feet
10. The Evil Yellow Balloon
From: Anonymous
11. Look Out Whoopi!
From: "Cheryl" <kiara01
12. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dream-flow-unsubscribe
From: "P Ingerson / SolarPenguin" <pi
13. hidden garden
From: Anonymous
14. Where I'am I
From: Anonymous
15. New Dream
From: Anonymous
16. Snakes
From: Anonymous
17. Weird Dream
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:56:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arlene S <romablack
Subject: Re: Killing
Well, geez. Maybe you've got some unrecognized/un dealt-with anger towards this
friend? This might be a good place to start with your analysis.
Roma ---
Dream Title Killing by Liz > Date of Dream 4/27/01 > Dream
I dreamed that a female > friend and I pushed two > male friends of ours off a tall
building. One of > them survived and I was > angry. > Comments by Dreamer The
person that was suppose > to die in my dream is > a friend of mine. > >
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. steve king's writers conference
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:16:41 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: steve king's writers conference
Stan requests that his dream be kept with the name and e-mail
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@etherways.com>
DATE : 6 apr 2001 09:20 DREAM : steve king's writers conference
=( yesterday, a thursday, the entire afternoon was spent at school grading student web
pages, so i was mentally exhausted all evening from the grunt work of teaching. i spent
much of the evening in course preparation, online cleaning up the web sites. i wanted to
go to bed early, say midnight, but a piece of perl CGI copied from the textbook would
not work properly on the course web site. finally about 01:30 i figured out what was
different in the code and then i also debugged the CGI quiz code. the first two classes
this week had problems with the immediate grading feedback, and it occurred to me what
was wrong just as i went to bed. i got back up, logged in, and fixed the problem. got to
sleep about 02:00. )=
it is surprisingly cold in new mexico for this time of year. the high desert air is not crisp
enough to see your breath but almost. i have arrived at the conference for would be
writers a little later than the others. they have been here for several days. i am received
with disdain by the workshop attendees, not because of my tardiness, but because of the
young woman in their midst who must now die.
it is not exactly my fault, but there is no getting around it. she hands over her new born
baby to stephen king. he looks rather awkward holding the squirming bundle peering up
at his myopic face with the thick glasses. the bandaid clinging at her neck has barely
held this long. slowly at first, then accelerating quickly, spider like hair cracks spread
out in fractal disarray. with a sigh, she falls into a heap of shattered bits.
three months earlier i had attended the previous writers conference, that one hosted by
some other celebrity author, not mister king. we were all told to be careful after taking
the soma, but this young woman was unfortunate. only her pregnancy had helped her to
hold together this long.
the soma is cut from those tall cacti, sourora i think they are called. the tall ones with two
or three arms that spring upward from mismatched shoulders off the central stem. it is
from those shoulders, their arm pits to be precise, that the soma is found. a circular disk
of white pulp is carved out from the juncture of the arm and the body. a cactus that is
sacrificed in this manner can serve only twenty or so writers per arm, so the conferences
are spaced out carefully for maximum coverage as the species is being managed into
extinction.
the white disk of soma is cautiously cut into small cubes which each of the conferees eats
in a ceremony at the beginning of the writers conference. i remember how mine tasted.
the cube was wet but had a dry quality to it, like pop rocks that suck all the moisture from
a patch of my tongue. the consistency when chewing it is similar to whole water
chestnuts, a celluloid crunchy texture. it was not an unpleasant feeling or bad taste, but
not something i would want to do often. there is no way to store the soma once the arm
has been cut from the cactus, so the ritual process of eating it like a eucharist has
developed.
once the soma has been taken, for six to seven days your creativity and lexical abilities
expand beyond the level of professional literature. unknown to most of the contemporary
culture, nearly every published writer must undergo this process once in order to achieve
the level understanding needed for the craft of literary acceptance. at least, that is the
story they give you when selected for the experience. i suspect that the wordsmith guild
merely accepts only members who have been thus initiated and lends support thereafter.
the point is moot now as i have a provisional membership, marred only by the death of
this woman.
she had not been careful enough once she took the soma. during the quickening in which
our intelligence and sensitivity expand, our tissues become fragile. any physical contact
with another writer during this period can shatter both of them. she had not told anyone
that she was expecting a child or she would never been allowed to risk the soma
conversion. but once she had, and bumped into my elbow with the edge of her neck, she
was doomed. i was lucky that i did not shatter from the elbow out. even though i was
not at fault, very few would not see my involvement in this tragedy as incidental.
so for months they held her here, hardly moving at all lest the rupture on her neck split
open and consume both her and the baby within. she barely made it through birthing her
daughter before she crumbled.
stephen king hands me the bundle of the baby, even though i had nothing to do with its
conception. "here, you better take this." he tells me, blinking like a turtle caught in the
light.
"thanks, steve." i say with sarcasm. i know he hates the diminutive of his name. the
others look back at me with disdain, like seeing a turd floating in the christening basin.
=( i wake late, at 09:00 when the alarm goes off. i have been waking earlier than the
alarm, but last night i had trouble sleeping and still feel tired and sleepy when the clock
goes off. i have to be in class teaching by 11:00 so there is barely enough time to type
the basic dream in, catch a shower and get off to school for my lectures. i know there
was another whole section to this dream that followed me getting the baby from stephen
king, but i had lost any memory of those events by the time i started typing. just as well,
i would not have had time to enter them anyway. i just recalled that this was only the
start of a long dream, but i could not access anything after the baby handoff. did not get
to typing the pre- and post- context parts of this entry until late this evening. those parts
are conscious memory and not subject to the fast fade of dream recall, so not much is lost
by delayed entry of them. i always enter them after the dream content anyway, this time
just delayed most of the day. i have a couple associations with this manifest content. i
have been reading about writers conference in _writer_ magazine which i am just trying a
subscription. i have never been to such a conference, but i doubt they prescribe mind
expanding substances. _wonder boys_ might suggest otherwise. i notice that this baby
thing is probably a reflection of the birth of princess ali in _dune_. she was influenced by
the spice drug en utero. mom and i watched the scifi channel remake of _dune_ a couple
weeks ago. at the time i thought it was a waste of production resources, not being
sufficiently improved over the de laurentis original film of the 80s. both films are about
equally enjoyable, but the justification for a remake is to improve on some flaw in the
original. they failed at that. if scifi could only match the original production values, they
should have invested in a new segment, say _dune messiah_. )=
stankuli@etherways.com ===
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. "back stabbed"
From: Anonymous
2. Pregnancy!
From: Anonymous
3. Horses
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
4. Confused
From: Anonymous
5. unhappy birthday-
From: Anonymous
6. Re: [Pregnancy!]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
7. Re: [Snakes]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 10:11:53 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: "back stabbed"
Dream Title "back stabbed"
Date of Dream May 1st
Dream i find myself in school right next to the first floor stairs. a girl that's a
friend of mine has found an interest in me, we are about to kiss when my friend pushes
me out of the way and kisses her.
Comments by Dreamer i need help because when i had the same dream 3 nights in a
row i found out my friend is talking about me behind my back. I wanna know if this
means anything or if it's a psychic connection of some sort.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 10:15:53 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Pregnancy!
Dream Title Pregnancy!
Date of Dream 5/5/01
Dream A week ago I had a dream that I was pregnant, and didn't know who
the father was. I'm 16. In my dream I had an older sister, who was also pregnant. But
she was married, and out of college, so my whole family was excited and happy for her,
planning for the baby. All the while, I was sitting my on couch worried, scared and
humiliated. I was frantically trying to come up with a plan so that no one would find out
about my pregnancy. (no one at school, or any parents..etc) I woke up crying and SO
relieved and thankful that it was just a dream. But a few days later, after I had this
dream, I had another dream that I was pregnant. Only this time I knew who the father
was- he was a friend of mine that I have been "dating." I'm only 16, ive never even
considered having sex, im president of my class, i have a 4.88 GPA, im involved in
sports, and dont think that I am at all the type of teenager that would get pregnant!
PLEASE tell me what these dreams mean! They are so scary
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 12:24:42 -0700
From: Leila Joiner <ljoiner
Subject: Horses
May 3, 2001
I dream about horses. I am a visitor at a place where other people are riding, but I am not
allowed to ride, for some reason, even though my horse, Trooper, is stabled there. I go
into his stall and pet him and talk to him, the way I used to when I was a teenager. Later,
everyone is in another room in the stable, where picnic tables are set with food.
Everyone is eating except me. I am looking down on them from above, straddling a rail
that borders a sort of low loft surrounding the room. I am not ignored by these people.
They talk to me and are pleasant to me when we mingle on the ground. It's just that I am
excluded from their activities.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:30:41 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Confused
Dream Title Confused
Date of Dream 5/5/01
Dream I have had repetitive dreams about, excuse me, feces. Changing a
baby's diaper was one. After seeing Mummy returns, waves of sewage. And there was
another I can't remember. What's up? P.S. I do feel overweight!!
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:31:14 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: unhappy birthday-
Dream Title unhappy birthday- shorty
Date of Dream 5-2-2001
Dream It was my birthday and my friends and dad's side of the family was
throwing a party for me. I didn't know the house. My boyfriend came with his 3 year old
son. My little brother was teaching him how to play a video game in the back bedroom.
As I walk into the living room, I see my boyfriend and his baby momma holding hands
on the couch. Now I can't explain how much I despise this chic in words, but it's alot. So
as a reflex, I picked up a big cup of red koolaide and dumped it over her head. Everyone
acted as if they didn't see it. Then my dad asked me if I wanted to go on a boat ride, I
said yes and grabbed my best friend to go with me. I looked for my boyfriend but I was
told he was at the neighbors. Then in my enemy's hands a baby girl lay sleeping, which
was her baby, but not my boyfriends. My best friend and I traveled to the gas station in
my car, which was about 30 feet from the boat ride. I pulled up to the pump, then backed
up and t! ! hen pulled up again. Then a cop came up to my car and told me I was going
to jail for wreakless driving. He wasn't in a cop car, more like a short lifeguard stand in a
white pick up truck.
Comments by Dreamer I really despise this chic. I would never have her at my
birthday party. She is a whore.
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Message: 6
Date: 5 May 2001 19:53:47 MDT
From: yes wings <yes.wings
Subject: Re: [Pregnancy!]
your at the point in your life where your going to find out who you are going to become .
Its your rebirth that you are about to go threw. You are going to discover your original
personality and if your lucky you will listen to your dreams to find out what you need to
know. What type of person is the father in the dream? What charictor type is he? His type
is probably like your original personality. before you were programed into the false
personality you have assumed. your young and not very experienced you think your
friends and family are conditional in there feelings for you. It seems that your pretty
stable in your life . Dont worry everyone is becoming, your giving birth to the woman
you will become.
Dream Title Pregnanc Date of Dream 5/5/01 Dream A week
ago I had a dream that I was pregnant, and didn't know who the father was. I'm 16. In
my dream I had an older sister, who was also pregnant. But she was married, and out of
college, so my whole family was excited and happy for her, planning for the baby. All
the while, I was sitting my on couch worried, scared and humiliated. I was frantically
trying to come up with a plan so that no one would find out about my pregnancy. (no one
at school, or any parents..etc) I woke up crying and SO relieved and thankful that it was
just a dream. But a few days later, after I had this dream, I had another dream that I was
pregnant. Only this time I knew who the father was- he was a friend of mine that I have
been "dating." I'm only 16, ive never even considered having sex, im president of my
class, i have a 4.88 GPA, im involved in sports, and dont think that I am at all the type of
teenager that would get pregnant! PLEASE tell me what these dreams mean! They are
so scary
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Topics in this digest:
1. Dinosaur
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 08:11:11 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dinosaur
Dream Title Dinosaur/bren
Date of Dream 05/06/01
Dream I dreamed that there was a Tyrannosaurus Rex in the countryside and
it was going around sniffing the air and finding people and eating them. most i didn't
know until it started after my daughter and that was when i was trying to make him stop.
then he was after me and i could feel his hot breath on my neck I woke up... but it was
one that stuck with me
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Pregnancy!
From: Arlene S <romablack
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:50:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arlene S <romablack
Subject: Re: Pregnancy!
Well! If you aren't sexually active, then there's no chance of being physically pregnant,
right? Baby's don't just happen without having sex. (Unless it is a case of force)
So this must be a pregnancy of a different sort: A new project? A new relationship? A
new spiritual outlook? Something which isn't ripe yet, waiting inside of you to be born.
But not a physical baby. Yes? Maybe?
Roma
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Dream Title Pregnancy! > Date of Dream 5/5/01 > Dream A
week ago I had a dream > that I was pregnant, and > didn't know who the father was. I'm
16. In my > dream I had an older > sister, who was also pregnant. But she was married,
> and out of college, so > my whole family was excited and happy for her, > planning for
the baby. All > the while, I was sitting my on couch worried, scared > and humiliated. I
was > frantically trying to come up with a plan so that no > one would find out > about
my pregnancy. (no one at school, or any > parents..etc) I woke up > crying and SO
relieved and thankful that it was just > a dream. But a few > days later, after I had this
dream, I had another > dream that I was > pregnant. Only this time I knew who the
father was- > he was a friend of > mine that I have been "dating." I'm only 16, ive >
never even considered > having sex, im president of my class, i have a 4.88 > GPA, im
involved in > sports, and dont think that I am at all the type of > teenager that would get
> pregnant! PLEASE tell me what these dreams mean! > They are so scary > >
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Dreams
From: misterdoe1
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:00:34 EDT
From: misterdoe1
Subject: Dreams
I've had a few doozies in the past few days.
One recurring one I've had over the past few months is one that involves a kind of
paraphysical (is that a word?) outback that connects all the continents, so that you could
walk from, say, New York to Australia (yes, walk!) without having to deal with crossing
any oceans or anything like that. There might be some crossing of water, but it will be
more like a dry footpath across a swamp, or something along that line.
I recall one trip I took in one of those dreams, where I went from the street, through a
warehouse that stretched waaay beyond the "normal" length you'd expect of a warehouse,
then opening out to what looked like an airplane hangar, or a stadium, or something, but
as I walked the roofline came lower and lower, until at last I could almost touch it... then,
I came upon what looked like an outdoor path made with old logs and paving stones,
which gave way to a footpath in a grassy field, which led to a swampy field where
someone was cultivating a rice crop. There were train tracks crossing through the middle
of the field, and during the dream a train did, indeed, cross through. Someone made a
comment about how putting train tracks in such muddy land was costly, because the rails
kept rusting and having to be replaced.
Anyway, there was a raised footpath running directly across the middle of the field,
perpendicular to the train tracks. On the other side of the swamp was a forest, and after
crossing the forest, I found myself in what I seem to remember as Australia.
But a few days ago, I had another dream like that. I recalled having seen something like
this earlier, but I didn't realize I was dreaming. I kept saying over and over, "I can't
believe how close this is to that dream I keep having!" And it all seemed so real.
I started out driving my car into the woods near where I used to live. It was almost dark
out, and I turned on my headlights, only to find that the dashboard lights were out. In real
life the lights had gone out a few days earlier, and again I didn't realize I was dreaming,
so I grumbled, "I gotta get that fixed."
I drove deeper and deeper into the woods, until I came across a railroad crossing, and the
barrier was down, so I had to wait. While I waited, I sat there thinking, "There's
something familiar about all this, but I can't put my finger on it." The train was all of four
cars, so the barrier was up in a minute or so, and I was on my way again.
I came to a clearing, where i parked and got out of the car. I had to do some business in a
factory, and I was led through the factory and out the back door. But the exit seemed to
lead to a larger building around the factory... and suddenly I realized why things were
familiar -- it was just like my dream! But that's because it *was* my dream, only I didn't
realize I was dreaming again.
The factory exit led to a dirt path, then to a "bridge" over a river, that consisted of
nothing but rotting logs wide enough to walk over without falling off, only pieces of the
logs would brake off whenever anyone crossed them. On the other side of the bridge was
another footpath, leading to a rice paddy, with train tracks crossing one way and a raised
footpath crossing the other, just like...
The second dream was a bit more disturbing, and again I didn't realize I was dreaming. I
was in some kind of athletic field, along with a baseball or softball coach, a few guys
from the team, and a fifteen year old girl with a bat in her hands. She was about 5-6, 120
pounds or so, not a build that would usually produce much power. But the coach had her
hitting fly balls to give the outfielders a workout, and that she did. She kept hitting fly
balls waaay out to the warning track, but the coach wasn't satisfied, he wanted her to call
her shots. That is, to point to left field, for instance, and then hit one to the leftfielder, and
so on. I don't know why I was there, exactly, because I was supposed to be my real-life
age, 35.
Then the scene changed, to me and the girl sitting at a table, facing one another, and
talking. I said something or other to her, and playfully swatted at her face twice, like I
was going to hit her for real. She giggled the first time, but the second time her smile
faded. Then she leaned forward. I assumed she was leaning because she had something to
say and wanted to make sure I heard it, or so I thought I thought. I began leaning toward
her, and then nature took over. We kissed. ON the lips. Twice.
All during the kiss the thought kept going through my mind, "why is this happening?
This girl could be my daughter!" But I returned the kiss both times. They were both very
soft kisses, but confident, nothing tentative about it. After the second kiss, though, she
pulled away, sighed, and said, "I shouldn't have done that."
I said, "I know."
"In fact," she continued, "I shouldn't even be here."
"I know," I said again.
Then the scene changed AGAIN to Tower Records, where she and I were looking
through CDs in the jazz section. We were aware of each other's presence but not really
together. I wanted to come up behind her and put my arms around her, but something
kept preventing me. I got the feeling that she was struggling with similar feelings.
I idly picked up a CD or two, and they were COLD. Like they had been stored in a
freezer or something. They were so cold that I practically threw them down, for fear I'd
get frostbite from them. Five minutes later, my hands were still cold from that
momentary contact, and getting colder. I began to wonder if the CD's coldness was
somehow meant to keep my hands off the girl, but before I could investigate that
possibility, I WOKE UP!
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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Warning!! !! Very Graphic Scary Nightmare Monster Sex Dream
From: Anonymous
2. corridors of white
From: Anonymous
3. snakes
From: Anonymous
4. Trains
From: Anonymous
5. cheating boyfriend!
From: Anonymous
6. dreamer1981
From: Anonymous
7. the unicorn
From: Anonymous
8. Linda
From: Anonymous
9. Girl with Broken Leg
From: Anonymous
10. the little girl hba34
From: Anonymous
11. hung
From: Anonymous
12. Dimensional sides
From: Anonymous
13. The Bridge from beauty
From: Anonymous
14. The Zoo
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:05:10 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Warning!! !! Very Graphic Scary Nightmare Monster Sex Dream
Dream Title Warning!! !! Very Graphic Scary Nightmare Monster Sex Dream
Date of Dream may 8,01 / middle of the night
Dream Someone was talking to me, telling me that something undefined was
a murder tool and I found in my hand a green gel wand that resembled a piece of peeled
aloe. I was told that the victims were found with pieces of this wand, (they looked like
versions of the little 'leaves' on the tips of asparagus, but were about the size of quarters)
broken off in their yoni's.. That didn't seem to faze me other than inspiring a vague
feeling of distaste, and I proceeded to take the wand with me in order to masturbate with
it. However, the very split-second that I began to touch myself with it, I was instantly
and horrifyingly seized with some sort of transformational pregnancy that began to turn
me into a furry, gel-covered human monster, screaming in terror while an overself -
somehow attached to me was trying to comfort me. But it was the very monster I was
becoming merged with! YIKES! I woke myself up screaming and lay there practically
paralyzed with fright. I almost never have nightmares so I forced my self into an oddly
transcendent calm. It was a long time before I fell asleep again, and today I am still in a
state of immense anxiety. I haven't yet been able to take a deep breath. Feels a little like
an anxiety attack, which has only happened to me once, years ago. Insights appreciated.
Thank you!
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:03:34 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: corridors of white
Dream Title white hallways
corridors of white
Date of Dream April, 16
Dream Recently, I had been preparing for a music audition for a University
program. Prior to the audition, I dreamt I was in an old building, and walking down a
long white corridor, at the end of which was a antique white door. I was wearing a long
white gown, which was flowing out beind me. I came to the door, opened it and was
presented with another white corridor, with the same white door at the end of it. This kept
happening over and over again, although the corridors at times changed directions.
Finally, after going through about 20 doors, I entered a gymnasium, where a bunch of
young men were playing basketball. I was aware of pain in my abdomen, and had the
urge to use the bathroom. I remember thinking, my bladder and kidneys are under the
attack of cancer. Apparently I had been told this, before walking through the corridors,
and the news was hitting me. I left the gymnasium, and was in a city at night, stranded
and lost. I began walking, there were no cars on the road and I was trying to find some
sign post or landmark that looked familiar, but everythng was very vague.
Comments by Dreamer Even though this dream was several weeks ago, it as bothered
and haunted me ever since. The white hallways and doors leading into each other, I can't
seem to find a symbolic connection; I should tell you that I have had pains, mostly at
night. I know I should see a doctor, but the dream has me even more frightened with the
reference to cancer; everyone's worst fear!
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:09:41 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: snakes
Dream Title snakes
Date of Dream
Dream i had a dream with a bunch of snakes in it what does that mean???
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:09:18 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Trains
Dream Title Trains - Claire
Date of Dream 05/10/01
Dream Lately I have had a lot of dreams about hurrying to catch a train
somewhere - and being very worried about missing the train - or it going to the wrong
destination - and also an overwhelming feeling that I wont know what to do when I reach
the destination!?? Any ideas?
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:11:37 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: cheating boyfriend!
Dream Title cheating boyfriend!
Date of Dream 5/8/01
Dream I have been haunted numerously by dreams of my long term
boyfriend cheating on me.And almost always with many girls at once. I also had lots of
cats in my dream...please tell me what this means!?
Comments by Dreamer I wake up in a panic and pissed! =)
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:10:46 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: dreamer1981
Dream Title dreamer1981
Date of Dream April
Dream I dreamed that I was in my dorm room and someone stabbed me in the
stomach. I then stumbled down to my brother's dorm room. We walked out to his truck
and I drove us to the hospital
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:04:07 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: the unicorn
Dream Title the unicorn
Date of Dream
Dream i am a 15 year old female student living in Australia. recently i had a
dream that has been on my mind for days and days.. i had a vision that felt as though it
lasted forever of a beautiful white unicorn that was bleeding from it's gold horn.. the
dream was not at all disturbing but not completely happy and it did not feel right.. very
strange.. i have been unable to find anything that can explain any possible meaning my
dream my have and i am open to all suggestions..
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:11:09 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Linda
Dream Title Linda
Date of Dream May 9, 2001, 3:00 a.m?
Dream I had a dream last night that I was driving my car down a hill (on a
road) that we used to sled down in the winter as a child. However, the faster I went in the
car, the more sand (almost quicksand) entered the car to the point that I thought I might
not be able to out run it and I might suffogate. I tied a bandana around my nose and
mouth to try to keep the sand out.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:07:13 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Girl with Broken Leg
Dream Title Girl with Broken Leg
Date of Dream Sunday
Dream I don't remember my dream very well, but I'll try to explain it...
I've dreamed with a girl that I don't know. She had broken her leg and she was felling a
lot of pain. She was screaming looking at her leg.
Sudenly, the girl starts to throw out on her leg ...
I don't remmember the rest of the dream, but it was very strange.
If you can help me please try to interpret my dream.
thanks a lot
Marcos
Comments by Dreamer It was very strange, and I didn't understand anything.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:06:03 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: the little girl hba34
Dream Title the little girl hba34
Date of Dream 05/08/01 9:30 am
Dream im in a park and i see a little girl she is about five years old. she is
very precious and i ask her where her mother is. she asks me to take her to her mother. so
she shows me where her mother is and in my dream i know that where this woman is a
known drug dealers house. we go in and for some reason this little girl and i become
very close very fast. my heart feels like it is going to break if i have to leave my little girl
in this house with these people. i say my little girl because in my head in my dream thats
what she becomes so very quickly. so i talk to the mother and beg her for custody of this
little girl as she is doing lines of cocaine up her nose and a needle in her arm. she says
she will give her to me if i pay her. okay what ever she wants because i have to have and
protect this child. i finally get the little girl and my entire life is complete and hole. then
i take her to my mother to babysit so i can work to support her and take care of her. and
when i came back my mother would not let me have her and i cried until i could not see.
i just wanted to hold her in my arms and love her.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:08:09 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: hung
Dream Title hung
Date of Dream 5/8/01
Dream I had a dream that my boyfriend Ken was hung by a murderer who
also hung two other people in the same room. This happened after we were caught having
sex in public and were about to be arrested. In the dream i knew there was a murderer
around and i was trying to keep my boyfriend in my sight but he wandered off and next
thing i
knew he had been hung. I was very upset, however he came back to life and was
talking to me. In the dream i remembered thinking maybe he didn't die at all maybe he
was only half hung.
Comments by Dreamer i want to know what it means.
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:08:44 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dimensional sides
Dream Title Dimensional sides
Date of Dream 05/08/2001
Dream i had a dream on this day which is about in a big garden where i was
looking through a telescope to the deep space i mean the stars meteors and planets.And i
discover a planet which noone has discovered before, this new planet is beautiful and
clean and yellow.And suddenly i found myself at home standing. shining stones and
rocks in the shape of glass dropped from the sky.when i was looking around there was
also boiling water.
Comments by Dreamer please describe my dream i have never experienced something
like this before
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:02:33 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Bridge from beauty
Dream Title The Bridge from beauty
Date of Dream May19,2000/ while sleeping
Dream I was running. I don't know why. I approached a bridge with a
covering.I'm at the top of the bridge, my eyes facing the top cover fo the bridge. Barely
seeing what's on the bridge, in my hand is a balloon attached to a string. A red one. As I
get closer, I see a gray image. It looked like a dog, so I was going to pass it by, until it
began to growl. I realize it's a wolf. It scrapes its paws against the wood of the bridge,
getting ready to pounce. Something flashes threw my mind as if asking for help, and
unexpectingly the balloon catches a strong wind and begins to float while I'm holding on
to it. Unfortuately, I hold on to the rail, afraid to float. The wolf is getting closer,
beginning to sprint, but I'm still holding on to the rail,scared to let go. Finally, the wolf's
a couple of steps from me. I remember the word God flashing through my mind. Either
that of I say it. I let go, just as the wolf jumps, ready to incase me. It was weird floating
in! ! the air. You know the feeling where your stomach jumps to your throat when you go
down a roller coaster? That's the feeling I felt when I finally land on the ground. It was an
abrupt landing, because I was in store for more of this. I kept being taken up in the air,
and I enjoyed it.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:10:14 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Zoo
Dream Title The Zoo
The Zoo
Date of Dream
Dream In my dream, I went to the zoo with my mom. We stood by a lion's
cage, watching a lion through a 2 foot fence, when my mom told me that she wanted to
get some food from the food shop 20 ft. away. She told me to stay right where I was, and
of course, I didn't. I jumped over the short fence and put my head into the lion's mouth.
It started biting my head and I screamed for my mom. She turned and saw me there and
she just laughed.
Comments by Dreamer This was a really scary dream. It seems funny now, but it
really isn't.
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Murder of an uncle
From: Anonymous
2. Dinosaurs
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:30:53 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Murder of an uncle
Dream Title Murder of an uncle
Date of Dream 5/10/01
Dream my ucle was jumed then murdered.He died by getting hit in the head
by a crow bar after a few years I go in search of why he was murdered and I come across
nothing
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:22:33 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dinosaurs
Dream Title Dinosaurs
Date of Dream 13 May 2001, 8.30am
Dream i was in a museum, then a model of a ancient turtle comes to life, and
comes after me. i run out, break up with my boyfriend to try to run away from it. he runs
up and i run down the stairs of an empty building. when i run out of the building, i get
into a supermarket, and get someone to help me. for some reason, i was asked to change
into another set of clothes. i was then driven out of the city in a car. i get into a house,
and when i realized that the dinosaur was outside, i went out to try to run away, and i see
babies of the dinosaur stomping its hooves on the ground just outside the house. when i
try to get back in, a friend of mine locked the door cos she was scared, causing me not
being able to get in. when i do get in, i hide myself in a wardrobe, hoping the dinosaur
can't smell me.
Comments by Dreamer When i was dreaming, i felt as if i knew i was dreaming, and
was as if i've dreamt of it before. i had a feeling i knew what was going to happen next,
and it all happened exactly.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments can you send interpretations to my email add. at
azaria1@hotmail.com
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. m&d
From: Anonymous
2. Exam Anxiety
From: Anonymous
3. Crush on Wheels
From: Anonymous
4. Difficult Desicion
From: Anonymous
5. More bodies
From: Anonymous
6.
From: "liz n."
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:22:55 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: m&d
Dream Title m&d
Date of Dream 5-12-01
Dream I have dreams that my mother and husband are married and my kids
are her kids. But my husband wants me and we find every opportunity to be together.
But we have to keep it from my mother. I always wake up feeling very excited and
usually feeling frisky.
Comments by Dreamer What can this dreams mean and why do I have them 4 or 5
times a year? I have been with my husband 8 yrs. married 6yrs.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:21:26 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Exam Anxiety
Dream Title Exam Anxiety - Dublin
Date of Dream ongoing
Dream I dream that I am back in school; more often than not, it's high school,
even though I have already graduated from University. I am taking two or three high
school courses to 'upgrade' my skills, but ultimately, when it comes down to taking the
final tests/writing the final papers, I cannot fulfull the requirements because I have left
everything to the last minute. I never ultimately know whether I've managed to graduate
from high school despite not having completed the final requirements.
Comments by Dreamer I wake up emotionally and physically exhausted after having
this dream. I have it at least once a week.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:25:01 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Crush on Wheels
Dream Title Crush on Wheels
Date of Dream may 10 2001DreamComments by Dreamer I live in this castle
and to make money we havetours of the castle. I'm out watching my crush ride a dirt
bike ormotercycle and he get's in this crash and I take him to my home because heis
knocked unconchis. A few day's later My parents decide to have a familyreunion and
both sides of my family is there. I'm talking to my cousin whoI rearily see and all of a
suddin I get this idea that my crush is awakeagain and I go to find him. I find him
coming out of the castle and, I runup to hug him but endup patting him on the sholder.
Then I intoduce him tomy family. then after the party he goes home. I feel lonly so I
decide togo on the tour rout threw our home. Soon I find my cousin and my brotherand
they give me something from my crush. It's a gift, but in the dream Iunderstand it's
sentimental value, so I get realy emotinal. Then all of asuddin my cousin my brother and
I have to run away for some reason and Iwake up
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:25:27 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Difficult Desicion
Dream Title Difficult Desicion
Date of Dream May 10, approx. 8:30am
Dream I was in a room paneled with dark wood. I remember engaging in
sex. I thought it was with one person. I was enjoying it, I remember in the dream I felt it
all. After the sex, I remember sitting back and looking at the bed. Upon the bed was my
intended lover and his friend. They looked alike but not identical. I realized I had been
making love to them both, without realizing it before. We were about to engage in some
more of the activity, but I wanted out. I only wanted to make love to my lover, and not
his friend. I felt used and somewhat betrayed, but I still had feelings for my lover. Some
time passed and I remember getting a haircut in my dream. It resembled one which a
male of African heritage would receive. It was shaved on my front right side of my head
and the remainder of my hair was left its original length. I looked in the mirror and
thought to myself that it wasn't that bad, at least I still had my pretty face. I woke up.
Comments by Dreamer I've never met my intended lover in reality. I've seen photos
of him and had a few conversations with him. I've also seen photos of his friend. They
both attend a Naval school which I'll be going to next year. We've verbally flirted with
one another, but that's the only real connection we share.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:22:20 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: More bodies
Dream Title More bodies... by bluefoot
Date of Dream may 14, 2001 about 2am
Dream At some point i'm at a health food store in the forest. I have to ride a
train to get there, there's all these bins of granola, a few shelves of tarot cards and new
age books. I think i'm in trouble for something but i'm not sure what or why or who's
mad... a cute girl comes and asks if i need a beer, she works at this store. Somehow i end
up in a cemetery, i'm digging up an old old skeleton, the tombstone is a modest white
crumbly affair. I rebury the body soon after i dig it up, then can't remember whether the
tombstone was standing up or not when i came. i want to leave it as i found it so nobody
will know. Then i realize there is a bald spot of earth where the grave was, whereas the
rest of the ground is covered with grass. I flee the cemetery so I won't get caught. To
leave the cemetery i have to scramble over a pile of rubble... rocks and boulders. It's like
i'm in a big monumental cave or maybe really old ruins. I go somewhere else for a while
and then I call for a limo. The limo comes and it's pure white, in contrast to most
everything else in the dream, which is black, except for the bones and the tombstones. I
get the limo to take me back to the cemetery where i dig up another body, or maybe the
same one... I call a friend and tell her what i've done, i know i can trust her... she wants
all these details, asks prying questions. I guess when i'm in the cemetery i go into a sort
of frenzy and can't help but dig up these bodies. I realize somewhere along the line that
the limo driver witnessed my crime, so i take off running. The exit to the cemetery is in
the north. I go out and turn to the east and run a ways, then turn south and run that way.
I come to a place where I'm running along the top of a wide stone wall. To the left is a
walled in old city, to the right is the sea. I keep running and end up coming face to face
with some sort of guard. He's got an asian face and is wearing samurai type armor. I
look forward and to the right and see the political sector of the city. I want to go in and
talk to the emperor but the guard won't let me, he doesn't trust my intentions, and really i
don't either. Next thing i know i'm trudging thru a swamp, it's dark, everything looks
black but there are different shades of it. I come upon a white horse partially sunk into
the mud... voices of people from the city echo in my head, they say i'm crazy, crazy to
go to the swamp, crazy in general. The swamp is haunted, they say, but really it seems
fairly boring to me...
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. frozen
From: Anonymous
2. Re: [frozen]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:31:20 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: frozen
Dream Title frozen
Date of Dream may 12th, 2001
Dream someone frozen in place behind glass, helpless
Comments by Dreamer It scared me
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Message: 2
Date: 15 May 2001 15:09:15 MDT
From: yes wings <yes.wings
Subject: Re: [frozen]
glass is insulation cut off from what you need
Dream Title frozen Date of Dream may 12th, 2001 Dream
someone frozen in place behind glass, helpless Comments by Dreamer It scared me
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. End of the world
From: Anonymous
2. Interview with Balance
From: Anonymous
3. Ashley
From: Anonymous
4. The Dam
From: Anonymous
5. Dreaming my future
From: Anonymous
6. Robot Sex by K
From: Anonymous
7. The Shooting
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:44:21 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: End of the world
Dream Title End of the world, B
Date of Dream 15/05/01 4am
Dream There was a great commotion outside. I went out to see what was
happening, to find people streaming out of their houses, pointing at the sky and crying
and screaming. When I looked up, the sun was on fire, and I knew we were all going to
die. As I watched, the sun crashed out of the sky and it went dark. There was silence,I
was terrified, it was so real.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:03:07 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Interview with Balance
Dream Title Interview by Bill
Date of Dream May 16, 2001
Dream : I go to a job interview. Its outside on a picnic table. A woman and a
man come and greet me. They set up a bunch of stuff on the picnic table. They have some
kind of business downtown with an ominous name like Balance, or Omega or
Convergence or something like that. At first I am very enthusiastic, putting out my "can
do" face. They seem to produce things, and have a pile of objects that are difficult to
make out, like a pile of crafted mobiles and small art objects. The woman, an enthusiastic
black woman in her 40's, sits at my left at the head of the table and talks the most at the
beginning. There is a kind of New-Age aura mixed with some ethic left tendencies. I
can't tell from what she is saying what the job might be but she says I come highly
recommended and gives me the feeling like they really want me. Then the man on my
right begins talking up the company, but again its not clear what they do or what they
want from me. He brings out a lap top and types something very quickly on a connected
but separate keyboard , as if he were trying to bring something up to show me. Perhaps
he is talking about their profitability or plans for the future. The woman asks if I want a
calculator, I say no, my laptop is almost booted up. I notice that my old laptop is going
through some kind of self check, as though I had closed Windows incorrectly last time I
had used it. The man sets out on the table a group of rocks around a taller, 8 inch long
pillar/stone in the middle and says something about Balance or Harmony. I want to show
some respect and get up, but this jiggles the table and knocks the stone down and off the
table. They seem nonplussed, and pick the stone up, though I'm now thinking "Great,
they are talking about balance and I have just demonstrated the opposite." We go on and
they seem to still want me though they never really say so. The man is showing me
something again on his laptop I don't really understand. I become frustrated not knowing
what they want from me and say "You know, I don't type." They look at me kind of odd
and I say "Well, I type all day, but I'm not a data entry person if that's what you are
looking for." Again they seem kind of still and frozen. I say "So just what do you want
me to do for you? " I wake up.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:05:39 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Ashley
Dream Title Ashley
Date of Dream 5/15 at 7:54 pm
Dream I keep having these dreams...one dream had this guy I liked named
Steven. We were in this store and it looked like something like Home Depot. But there
seemed to be this emphasis on this pile of wood. A dream I had a couple of days later
had to do with this guy named Richard and we went into Barnes and Noble and there was
this pile of wood there adn we went over there and there was this little boy playing with a
wooden car. I hace no idea what this means... but I know it's significant because it keeps
coming up in my dreams. And then I've had several dreams where someone is trying to
kill me... usually using a knife. I have no idea what any of this means!
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:05:16 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Dam
Dream Title The Dam -- Epiphanie's Dream
Date of Dream May 14, 2001/5:45 a.m.
Dream I was sitting in a forest on the porch of a huge brick house with my
family (None of my actual family members were in this dream but I knew that these
people were representing family.) and there was a wide river placidly flowing passed our
home in the opposite direction from the view of our porch. Suddenly out of nowhere
there was a thunderous roar and the water began to recede. My family and I turned our
heads only to witness the amazing sight but for some reason we were incredibly calm as
we watched the wonder happen. The trees along side the river shook with the intensity of
the backward rush as beads of water hurrying to catch up with the rest of the liquid mass
swirled in the air. The landscaping was lush. The green of the foliage on the plant life
was very vivid. There were no flowers--only trees, thick underbrush and grass. The wind
was blowing and howling with tremendous force. I looked at what I understood to be my
husband and I said, "They've always wanted to stop that river and destroy this land."
Suddenly, the damn of water, which stood up on its own without a material barrier, began
to rush forward and downward toward the earth. My family and I began to run but we
still were not afraid. Before the water hit the ground, we ran up onto the stairs of a huge
brownstone. Before I got to the stairs, I stopped to pick up my daughter (I have no
daughter in real life) and made it up the stairs just before the water hit the ground. We
were all splashed by the mighty water and I could feel the heat of the sun on my skin
after the drenching as I held the little girl in my arms. After that, a little boy dressed in
brilliant, tattered yellow stood before us in the water's backwash with tears in his eyes. It
was then that I awakened.
Comments by Dreamer I have no solid idea about what this dream might mean.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments Please contact me at epiphanie2000@aol.com with any
comments regarding this dream.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:07:16 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dreaming my future
Dream Title Dreaming my future
Date of Dream 12 feb 2001 1am
Dream i had a dream that a year after i graduated from collage i became a pro
basketball player i meet this girl that went out with until she moved away . we were just
in 8th and 7th grade anyway i see her in the place that i moved into which was Phoenix
Arizona i saw her sha was looking for a house i was living in anyway we hooked up and
a year later we got married
Comments by Dreamer i am only in 7th gfrade and ive gone out with girl for 8 months
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:12:08 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Robot Sex by K
Dream Title Robot Sex by K
Date of Dream May 11, about 2:00 am
Dream I had a dream where I had sex with a robot. Not actually a robot, I
guess, but a creature made of metal wire and painted knobs. In my dream, I was a virgin
and I was with my friends in a room. They thought that I wasn't a virgin, though they all
were, and I was being wild and talking about having sex. I think someone dared me, and
then went to get someone for me to do it with. The creature was very nice and I seemed
to know him. "He" was shaped like a ball, made of wires, with balls painted yellow, red,
and blue as appendages. I saw that my own sexual organs were brightly colored. This
creature had a wire coming out of its crotch with a red ball on the end of it , a penis. I sat
on top of him and we were both pretty comfortable. He whispered to me,"Do you know
how to do this?", and I replied,"No, Don't you?" Then we started and seemed to know by
instinct. This part of the dream was very lucid. I actually felt everything, including the
orgasm, which was very short. I remember at first worrying about whether I looked
experienced to my friends, who were watching, but I eventually forgot about them. I
never remember my dreams, but at the end of the orgasm in this dream, I woke up and
remembered everything very clearly. It all seemed very real, and I was in a sweat when I
woke up, though it was a cold night. I am very puzzled at the realness of this dream, and
wonder at its meaning.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:12:48 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Shooting
Dream Title The Shooting Pamcakes247
Date of Dream 5:00am
Dream I was driving with my daughter in the passager side. I was stopped at
a stop light. I look over to the car on my left and smile. There was a white man driving
and a black man in the passager side. I looked back up at the light to see if it had
changed then look back to the car to my left and the white man had a gun and then he
shot me in the neck. I grabbed my neck and looked at my daughter to see if she was
alright. I asked her to get me something to hold on my neck. Then I drove away.
Comments by Dreamer This dream really disturbed me. I woke up right after I got
shot. The strange part is after I woke up I felt like I was still dreaming. I also don't
dream very often.
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Pregnant Shallea
From: Anonymous
2. Death of a husband and father
From: Anonymous
3. geese with prey
From: Anonymous
4. The Beautiful Union
From: Anonymous
5. Lemons and limes
From: Anonymous
6. Re: Trains
From: "KarenAnn" <artemis133
7. Re: The Zoo
From: "KarenAnn" <artemis133
8. Re: snakes
From: "KarenAnn" <artemis133
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:43:32 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Pregnant Shallea
Dream Title Pregnant Shallea
Date of Dream
Dream I keep having a reaccuring dream where I'm pregnant, and all except
one time the baby has not had a father. The last one I had I could actually feel the baby
inside of me. Please help me interpret this!
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:44:16 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Death of a husband and father
Dream Title Death of a husband and father by Tony
Date of Dream many times
Dream Both the wife and 5 year old son dream that their husband (father)
died.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:38:34 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: geese with prey
Dream Title geese with prey / misty morning
Date of Dream May 16 / early morning
Dream A family of geese - maybe 5 of them - were walking single file along
the perimeter of my back yard, toward my house. I noticed that the first one had what
looked like a dead grey mouse or baby rabbit in its mouth (much like my cat is likely to
bring home). When I realized what the goose had, I wanted it to go away. I remember
thinking, that's weird, geese aren't supposed to catch other animals. It seemed very
determined to bring me its prey.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:44:58 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Beautiful Union
Dream Title The Beautiful Union -- Epiphanie's Dream
Date of Dream
Dream One night many years ago (I was in my early teens), I dreamed that I
was standing on a cliff wearing a wedding dress and I was standing face to face with my
new husband. He had on a black tuxedo and was very tall and broad of shoulders. We
were just married and the sun was setting over the ocean which was visible from the cliff
on which we stood. The ocean was calm as it reflected the yellow, burned-orange, red
and blue that streaked across the sky. The sun was standing just above the horizon. I saw
myself standing very close to the man and we were staring deeply into one another's eyes
and it was obvious that we were deeply in love. The following night, the dream
continued. The man, my husband, took my hand and we began to slowly walk way from
the edge of the cliff. The sun was halfway set. This time there was a lot of emphasis on
the setting sun and the colors that streaked the sky were the same as the night before.
French doors came into view and there was a bright white light in the room just beyond
the threshold. The night after that, the dream continued once again. My husband and I
were dancing in the incredibly bright room. It was so bright we should have been
blinded but we were not. Instead, we continued to stare deeply into one another's eyes as
we swirled around the beautiful dance floor. We were so close to one another as we
danced, we could have meshed into one being. That was the end of this continuous
dream. I never did see the man's face.
Comments by Dreamer Does this herald one of the greatest loves I have ever
experienced?
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Permission Comments Please contact me at epiphanie2000@aol.com with any
comments about this dream.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:41:22 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Lemons and limes
Dream Title Lemons and limes
Date of Dream 5/16/01, 4:00pm EST
Dream I was at the high school that I teach at (although it looked like the
college I went to undergrad) and testing was going on so I had to be very quiet. I was
hungry so I went to the cafeteria. Keith (an intern) served me something that looked like
flat lasagna and I went outside to my car to eat it. Once outside I could barely see-
everything was very bright. I went into my car and pulled out a container very similar to
that that the lasagna was in- keep in mind that I couldn't see very well- I wound up eating
a container full of year old lemons and limes. My mouth and my throat hurt, I felt awful.
All I wanted to do was find my boyfriend and tell him what happened. I don't know why
the lemons and limes were a year old.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:26:59 -0400
From: "KarenAnn" <artemis133
Subject: Re: Trains
Are you feeling anxiety about your life, like maybe you feel like something's missing?
Think about anything that you may be worried about, like if you feel that there is
something that you should be doing, but you feel like you are "missing the train", so to
speak. Maybe you are fearful of attempting to do something that you feel that you want,
because when you attain your goal, you may not know how to deal with it, i.e., "not
knowing what to do once you reach the destination". I also see a fear of making the
wrong decision, "going to the wrong destination"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [dream-flow] Trains
Dream Title Trains - Claire Date of Dream 05/10/01 Dream
Lately I have had a lot of dreams about hurrying to catch a train somewhere - and being
very worried about missing the train - or it going to the wrong destination - and also an
overwhelming feeling that I wont know what to do when I reach the destination!?? Any
ideas?
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:29:40 -0400
From: "KarenAnn" <artemis133
Subject: Re: The Zoo
How old are you? Are you in the process of breaking away from your parents,
particularly your mother?
----- Original Message -----
The Zoo
Dream Title The Zoo
The Zoo Date of Dream Dream In my dream, I went to the zoo with my
mom. We stood by a lion's cage, watching a lion through a 2 foot fence, when my mom
told me that she wanted to get some food from the food shop 20 ft. away. She told me to
stay right where I was, and of course, I didn't. I jumped over the short fence and put my
head into the lion's mouth. It started biting my head and I screamed for my mom. She
turned and saw me there and she just laughed. Comments by Dreamer This was a
really scary dream. It seems funny now, but it really isn't.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:33:52 -0400
From: "KarenAnn" <artemis133
Subject: Re: snakes
Snakes usually mean danger in your life, or untrustworthy people. ----- Original Message
Friday, May 11, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [dream-flow] snakes
Dream Title snakes Date of Dream Dream i had a dream with a
bunch of snakes in it what does that mean???
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Pregnant Shallea
From: "KarenAnn" <artemis133
2. Re: Pregnant Shallea
From: patricia boyle <salamander02135
3. Re: snakes
From: patricia boyle <salamander02135
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:43:50 -0400
From: "KarenAnn" <artemis133
Subject: Re: Pregnant Shallea
You have an idea, or something of a creative nature wanting to get released from you,
you just have to find out what it is, and work to release it. Do you paint, do crafts, write,
etc.? ----- Original Message -----
Pregnant Shallea
Dream Title Pregnant Shallea Date of Dream Dream I keep having a
reaccuring dream where I'm pregnant, and all except one time the baby has not had a
father. The last one I had I could actually feel the baby inside of me. Please help me
interpret this!
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: patricia boyle <salamander02135
Subject: Re: Pregnant Shallea
The only thing I can think of is the growth of some new potential. Is there any area of
your life that is showing great potential?
: > Dream Title Pregnant Shallea > Date of Dream > Dream I keep
having a reaccuring > dream where I'm > pregnant, and all except one time the baby has
not > had a father. The last > one I had I could actually feel the baby inside of > me.
Please help me > interpret this! > >
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Dreams
From: Heratheta
2. "Lost in the World"
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:08:40 EDT
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Dreams
see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:32:03 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: "Lost in the World"
Dream Title "Lost in the World" by Katherine
Date of Dream 5/20/01 10:00 AM
Dream I was at this dinosaur theme park when everyone announced that there
was a real dinosaur on the earth that was huge and heading for the park. I headed to the
nearest skyscraper building hotel (suddenly we were in the middle of a city) with my dad
(who turned into my ex boyfriend as soon as we got inside). We headed to the 6th floor
and saw the dinosaur out the window and were terrified. Then it turned out that there
were millions of dinosaurs and that this was a huge world wide disaster. I stayed in the
hotel for months and months while I waited for the dinosaurs to clear with this girl
named Elizabeth and another unknown man that had been trapped in the hotel with us as
well. Suddenly months and months had passed and I seemed to wake up from a long
deep sleep (in the dream) and found that the man had killed some sort of animals ears for
us to eat. He had cooked them. Then all of a sudden there were huge storms and tornados
and Elizabeth told me to go into this elevator part of the hotel where a power surge
couldn't get to us. We were joined by some people from my school who I don't know
very well, but one of the girls I hugged cried on because I hadn't seen anyone I knew in
months. The tornados were horrible all over the city and we were forced to shut all of the
doors leading to the elevator area because they would protect us from flying glass. After
they were over, I learned that all of the dinosaurs were gone and the world was safe
again. I was picking up all these little pieces of glass and broken CD's on the floor of my
hotel room that were very small and hurting my fingers and giving me small cuts in them.
I was also watching the news and learned that while I had been staying "safe" in the
hotel, other people, such as the news anchor that was reporting that the world was safe
again, was having a normal life. Then I knew that things would be better again and that I
could leave the hotel, but I knew things ! ! would be very different. I had no idea where
my family was or if they were alive. I had "no idea what city, state or country is was in"
(I think that was a direct quote from the dream) But all I knew was that it was time to
leave the hotel.
Comments by Dreamer Please analyze this for me!
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The floppy Woman
From: Anonymous
2. The Tree
From: Anonymous
3. Burnt Apartment (house)
From: Anonymous
4. Book of Live
From: Anonymous
5. When i became a bicicle
From: Anonymous
6. Death
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:45:10 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The floppy Woman
Dream Title The floppy Woman
Date of Dream
Dream I am standing and my body will remained rigid while I move
backwards and forwards. Nobody else can do this and I am happy that I can do it and no
one else can.
Comments by Dreamer This is a dream I have frequently and have had repeatedly for
several years.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:46:07 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Tree
Dream Title The Tree
Sibeonh M.
Date of Dream Every couple of months
Dream My deam isn't that elaborate, but from time to time, i have this dream
that i am falling out of a tree-backwards. Its really scary. I always seem to wake up
though before i hit the ground.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:46:28 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Burnt Apartment (house)
Dream Title Burnt Apartment (house)
Date of Dream 18/5/2001, after midnight
Dream i and my brother is going back home
after work, but then we are not sure
which is our house because particulaly
the three row apartmant is burnt off
and i advice my brother not to go in the burnt house.
Comments by Dreamer none
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:46:51 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Book of Live
Dream Title Book of Live
Date of Dream 1971
Dream I had this dream when I was 17. I am 47 now but it has stayed with
me all these years.
I dreamt I was over my grandmothers house. For some reason I went next door to her
neighbors ( who I never met in real life) and was presented the "Book of Life" It was
black with gold lettering. Quite beautiful. I was about to read it when I was awakened
by my mother asking me to move my car!
Comments by Dreamer As I recall, I was having many unusual dreams at this period
in my life.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:45:50 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: When i became a bicicle
Dream Title When i became a bicicle
Date of Dream last night
Dream I was in a little room, with only one door and one window, a girl was
near me, and then someone tried to make us something, i don't know what. when i get out
of the room i became a bicycle, and i ran down a street. Later I was killing some kind of
zombies in a church.
Comments by Dreamer What the f**k was that dream?
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:47:11 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Death
Dream Title Death
Date of Dream 05/17/01
Dream I wake up in a hotel in NM with my husband and son. We leave to go
say good bye to my parents, when we get there I trip over my husbands suitcase and it
pops open, inside is a dead body. I discover my husband is a serial killer. My father(who
has been dead for over 20 years) tells me that's what I get for marry a white man. I return
to TX with my son to sell my home, but I feel so lost and betrayed I also feel my fathers
disappointment with me.
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. killer whales
From: Anonymous
2. The Biggest Flower Garden in Town
From: Anonymous
3. Duty Like a Victorian Noble's
From: Anonymous
4. Re: Ashley
From: patricia boyle <salamander02135
5. breastfeeding a snake
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:06:49 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: killer whales
Dream Title killer whales, Beth
Date of Dream 20.05.01
Dream I dreamed I was on a beautiful beach. It was sunny and the waves
were crashing. As I looked out to sea, I saw a long line of killer whales swimming toward
the beach. I looked in awe at this amazing sight, but then realised that they were going to
beach and die. I felt tremendous sadness, and wondered why they were doing this. As
they came closer, I realised there was a long line of people on the beach, one for each
whale, and they were calling them up onto the beach. I felt tremendous anger that they
were doing this, and ran up and down the line trying to stop them, but they didn't listen.
As the whales reached the sand they heaved themselves up onto it, and I realised they
were going to die. I realised that if I didn't move, I would be crushed, so I ran to one end
of the line, to the last person, and tried to climb the sandy ridge behind us. As I did this,
the whale he was calling in reached him, and suddenly turned into a huge polar bear, but
with h! ! ooves like a horse. It started jumping on him in anger, and he was getting
crushed by the hooves. I remember thinking it was his own fault for calling such a
beautful creature to its death. I woke up as I was trying to scramble backwards up the
sandy ridge.
Comments by Dreamer This is a very weird dream, any ideas?
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Permission Comments Anyone got any comments on this one?
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:29:42 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Biggest Flower Garden in Town
Dream Title The Biggest Flower Garden in Town submitted by StrawManDance
Date of Dream 5/4/01
Dream The air felt like Northern air, and it was twilight. I was living and
working on a sprout farm. "The biggest flower garden in town," the owner kept telling
me. He was a kind man who kept his life and his thinking simple.
The farm held three different plots, each grew a separate crop. The largest plot (still
small by my standards) was alfalfa sprouts. I didn't really consider them flowers, but
they were pretty and seemed to be doing well. A small walkway separated the alfalfa
sprouts from two more about a 3rd of the size: a Spinach plot next to Spicy Radish
Sprouts, or perhaps they were Broccolli Sprouts. I just knew they were spicy.
I drove through the town with an older fatherly man with grey hair and a round belly. He
kept hinting to me that we should open up a restaurant together. Money was my
problem, I admitted, but offered to manage the place for him.
Comments by Dreamer I was living and working on a sprout farm. Funny.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:29:05 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Duty Like a Victorian Noble's
Dream Title Duty Like a Victorian Noble's StrawManDance
Date of Dream 5/13/01
Dream A father and son were servants in a wealthy man's victorian
mansion. The father had a distinct John Lithgow flavor. The son had fluffy curly blonde
hair and a big round belly. The father quickly cleaned up the halls which were like the
aisles of a supermarket, removing the dirty laundry he found. Along the way, he noticed
a mafia-like enforcer following behind him, picking up the clothes he missed, and
complaining like: can't find good help, no pride, etc. (The mafia-guy not adressing the
father directly, but just saying it loud enough so he could hear.) "Why don't you go get a
job at Bennagains!" Mafia finally said to the Father. The father would feel ashamed if
he had to stoop as low as Bennagains. While cleaning a large room in the mansion, the
son spilled a large amount of ink from a quill pen on the carpet. The ink spread out like
it was a black bird spreading its wings. The son quietly, stiffly left the room and walked
into a large room where there were tall desks and a ledger book for signing. In front of a
few of the maid servants who were busying themselves there, he took the emptied quill
pen and severed the index and pointer finger of his writing hand. He then began to shove
them into his mouth. This he did out of shame, or, a direct command from the master of
the house (punishment for soiling the carpet).
Comments by Dreamer What a shame.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:04:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: patricia boyle <salamander02135
Subject: Re: Ashley
For some reaon the pile of wood makes me think about construction, especially with the
Home Depot.Perhaps starting to build something? to me wood suggests a natural, organic
material.
What does your assailant look like? Is there maybe something that is trying to get your
attention?
: > Dream Title Ashley > Date of Dream 5/15 at 7:54 pm > Dream
I keep having these > dreams...one dream had this > guy I liked named Steven. We
were in this store and > it looked like > something like Home Depot. But there seemed
to be > this emphasis on this > pile of wood. A dream I had a couple of days later > had
to do with this guy > named Richard and we went into Barnes and Noble and > there was
this pile of > wood there adn we went over there and there was this > little boy playing >
with a wooden car. I hace no idea what this > means... but I know it's > significant
because it keeps coming up in my dreams. > And then I've had > several dreams where
someone is trying to kill me... > usually using a > knife. I have no idea what any of this
means! > >
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Accident
From: Anonymous
2. Lotion???
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:09:48 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Accident
Dream Title The Accident, Kris M
Date of Dream May 20, 2001
Dream It was fall i think, or at least the leaves were different colors,and i
was driving on this really hilly twisty road. It had two lanes of traffic going each way,
and a small strip of grass/median between them. Well i was on top of a hill, going down
it, and i could see this huge semi truck coming from the other direction, and there was
some kind of a large animal on his side of the road. Well we were getting really close to
passing each other, and so i merged all the way over to the right because i thought to
myself, i bet he's going o swerve to miss that. Well he swerved to miss it, and when he
did his truck rolled, right over the median thing and like onto my side of the road, and it
barely like hit me, but when it did i dunno, i guess it pushed my car enough i went down
into the ditch, but instead it was like this huge ravine/hill going down like 100 feet, with
all these trees and everything. Well then i noticed i had a passenger with me, because he
was thrown from the car because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and the way whoever was
with me was thrown i saw his neck break and they died. Well i drug myself out of the
car, and we were laying on this hill, there was still a long ways below. Well then i was
dragging myself kind of up this hill, and someone came down to help. It was weird
because he acted like he knew me and was going to help, but as he got closer- i couldn't
see cause my one eye was all swollen, and i must have been bleeding. So i couldn't see
who it was? But instead of helping me he like pushed/threw me down the hill and i was
just falling and falling and falling. I never hit the bottom, because I woke up on the way
down.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:17:32 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Lotion???
Dream Title Lotion??? Molly
Date of Dream
Dream I have won a lifetime supply of lotion. I have several boxes of it, but
can't find room in my cabinets for all of it! In another dream, I have a hard time locating
the "lotion special" (on sale) at the drugstore. I am concerned about getting the best deal
for the size.
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Grocery Store Panic
From: Anonymous
2. Dream within a dream
From: Anonymous
3. Old friend died
From: Anonymous
4. Wow
From: Anonymous
5. Re: Old friend died
From: "liz.n
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:44:46 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Grocery Store Panic
Dream Title Grocery Store Panic
Date of Dream 05/23/20011:45am
Dream Well I started off in the parking lot of a grocery store. I was with
people that are close to me in my real life, about 7 people. We started walking towards
the grocery store and there was a walkway with trees and grass along the side of it. I
voiced my opinion to cut across the grass as a shortcut, but to my surprise my mother
pointed out to me that the trees had snakes on them and they would bite your fingers off
if you went near them or tried to cut across the grass. She also told me that in this world
(wherever we were) you could not take any short cuts or it would result in death. So we
continued on the walkway to the store. As we were walking along the last of the
walkway I noticed long fuzzy creatures in what appeared to be rows. Their faces were
looking straight up and their bodies were in sections like a caterpillar and on each section
they had one bright colored stripe. They didn't frighten me until we started walking by
and they would randomly shoot across the walkway as if trying to hit us. My boyfriend
and I would jump frantically until we reached the grocery store entrance. We stared at the
entrance and I noticed the exit of the grocery store had no door, so on an impulse I started
to walk through it, but once again I was reminded not to. The entrance to the store had a
regular door on it that was white and had bugs stuck to it everywhere, all the bugs were a
light brown color. As my boyfriend and I walked towards the entrance the door flung
open and we started to walk through and the door immediately shut behind us, no one
else was able to walk through. Then I woke up.
Comments by Dreamer I'm not sure what any of this dream means but I would love to
hear opinions.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:45:11 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dream within a dream
Dream Title Dream within a dream
Date of Dream 5/23/01 9:00AM
Dream I am at work, and we are taking a break from the office to go on a
beach outing. There are many young girls around me, one is terribly skinny, only bones. I
ask her how she is feeling, if she had the surgery, but she doesn't answer. My boss, who
is a man, decides that each employee will get to ride in his sportscar, individually. I am
apprehensive, but I submit to it, and when it is my turn it gets very uncomfortable on the
drive. We stop and he is chasing me around the car. I am pulling on my boyfriend's arm
in bed while this is going on, whispering the words that I am screaming in my dream. I
want him to wake me up. But he is not actually next to me, it is a dream within a dream.
Lots of yellow and running in the dream.
Comments by Dreamer I cannot find information on what it means to have a dream
within a dream. I am sure many others have them, and would also be interested in finding
out. Thank you for this opportunity.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments Please inform me if I have been chosen.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:48:45 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Old friend died
Dream Title Old friend died--spontaneousgirl
Date of Dream 5/23/01 3AM (?)
Dream My best friend and I had a falling out a year ago. In my dream, he
took ill with a disease. I tried to visit him in the hospital, but his family wanted me to
leave. He was delirious. He recognized me but did not remember that we no longer
speak. I left and returned later (hoping the family would be gone). The room was empty
and I learned that he had died of a severe fever.
Comments by Dreamer I have no way of knowing if my former friend is okay, as we
do not speak and have no friends in common. I wonder why I had such a dream. I've
never had anything like it before.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:34:59 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Wow
ream Title Wow,By: Me Date of Dream Dream My dream was, I
was walking through this town then I look into one of the porches and I see my teacher
with a little kid. She looked so worried.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:07:15 +0100
From: "liz.n"
Subject: Re: Old friend died
Perhaps your subconscious is trying to tell you something here? Do you feel guilty about
the falling out? Perhaps your dream is trying to encourage you to build bridges with your
friend, as you obviously still care about him
. ----- Original Message ----- F
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: [dream-flow] Old friend died
> Dream Title Old friend died--spontaneousgirl > Date of Dream 5/23/01
3AM (?) > Dream My best friend and I had a falling out a year > ago. In my
dream, he took ill with a disease. I tried to visit him in the > hospital, but his family
wanted me to leave. He was delirious. He > recognized me but did not remember that
we no longer speak. I left and > returned later (hoping the family would be gone). The
room was empty and I > learned that he had died of a severe fever. > Comments by
Dreamer I have no way of knowing if my former friend is > okay, as we do not speak
and have no friends in common. I wonder why I had > such a dream. I've never had
anything like it before. > > >
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Weird
From: Anonymous
2. Spliting RollerCoaster
From: Anonymous
3. Death and Andrea
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:05:17 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Weird
Dream Title Weird
Date of Dream May 23, 2001
Dream I was in this church that I attend regularly and we were there for some
occasion but I am not sure what. Then all of a sudden the church started to burn. My
first impulse was to leave and I ran to the front door were there were flames blocking the
exit. Without thinking I ran right through them. I felt the hot flames grab at my feet.
While I ran through them I realized I left my mom in there. I felt really bad but when I
got outside there were guys out there dressed in tuxedos and they didn't seem to worried
about the burning church. I turned to look and the church wasn't really burning after all.
I went back inside and I seen these two guys I like. One who is a senior now and is
graduating in a few days was coming out of the confessional and he knelt down in front
of candles. I think he was doing his penance. Then the other guy I like who is a junior
and out of my social class was standing a few feet away from me. That is about it. I
woke up before I got to finish it. Can you tell me if this has any meaning to it?
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:54:38 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Spliting RollerCoaster
Dream Title Spliting RollerCoaster
Date of Dream may 24th 2001
Dream i was on a roller coaster, near where i live (which doesnt really exist)
and i know my dad was there with me, but i dont know if he was on it wirh me or not, but
we started going upward really fast and then the caoster just broke in hlaf right where we
were headed.. our cart fell through but then hung there.. just held by one wood piece
probably a mile over the ground, i remember not being scared just anxious. anyways the
cart sawyed back and force over the ground and then we fell.. i remember falling and
being forced into the bar on my side. we hit the ground and i didnt feel hurt that i
remember i just remember seeing ambulances.. then i was up walking around getting
candy.. but i didnt go on any other rides cause i didnt trust them after my crash..
Comments by Dreamer i think it may relate to me and what my ex went through and
now i dont trust other guys? i have no idea..
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:08:56 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Death and Andrea
Dream Title Death and Andrea
Death and Andrea
Date of Dream 6:00 AM
Dream I dreamed, last night, that my sister had gotten into a fatal car
accident.
Comments by Dreamer This is not the first time I've dreamed of her death. This is the
third time this year. But each time she dies a different way.
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. skin
From: Anonymous
2. Unknown man missing both arms
From: Anonymous
3. flickering in
From: Anonymous
4. Re: From Shan to Stan [flickering in ]
From: yes wings <yes.wings
5. Re: From Shan to Stan [flickering in ]
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:53:04 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: skin
Dream Title skin
Date of Dream am of 5/24
Dream peeling the skin off of my nose
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:54:23 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Unknown man missing both arms
Dream Title Unknown man missing both arms
Date of Dream 5/25/01
Dream I can't remember any other part of the dream except for a very small
black man missing both his arms. I believe that he was born that way. I did not see them
cut off. All the dream dictionaries I have looked this up in indicate myself missing the
limbs and its meaning being death or separation of a relative. How should I interpret
this?
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:47:45 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: flickering in
editor's note: Stan requests that his dream and identity info be kept together. - r
DATE : 25 may 2001 09:12
DREAM : flickering in
=( last night i tried to sleep early, around 01:00. both of my vcrs are in the shop for
repairs, so mother and i can not start a new video series for the 22:00 time slot when her
broadcast stations go flat for entertainment value. i could not sleep yet, so about 02:00 i
started work on some tech stuff until 03:40 when i felt sleepy again. )=
the group of about six of us are waiting beside the airlock doors for
our routine maintenance of the station from outside. we can not proceed
because the new woman, an elderly white haired person, does not know how to properly
seal up her suit. with a sigh of patience, i unzip my gloves with their velcro stays to help
her.
she has been fumbling with her gloves, so i take over and rematch her seals so they mate
smoothly without the wrinkles she had in them. also, she has neglected to put on her
helmet before her gloves so she had no hope of getting it on without assistance.
"at the leo stations we rarely venture outside." she tells me with a note exasperation in
her voice.
"no surprised." i tell her gently as i make certain that none of her hair is caught is the
collar groove before i place the helmet over her head. "the low orbit habitats are little
more than tourist traps for flatland visitors." she should cut the hair or at least wear a
hair net. in zero g, hair seems to get a life of its own, so most of us just cut it to less than
nuisance length.
"here in the high stations we work in the vacuum on a regular basis. we learn to seal up
our suits properly." i hear a click of her helmet lock and the wheeze of her internal
pressure come up.
we step inside the airlock with the others as i start to put my gloves back on. uhoh, there
is a small trembler alarm on my wrist so i look at the status display on the back of the
sleeve. there is a series of about thirty long strips indicating the cognitive state for each
of the crew. one of the dull gray strips, indicating a sleeper, has gone bright red.
"a demon possession." i say more to myself than to the others in the crew. i press the red
strip and hold it for a while until it flickers out to gray. that had activated a magnetic
pulse in the sleeping man's neuroimplant, driving out the uninvited spirit. gray for
asleep, white for awake, red for demon and green for angel. but an angel will almost
never occupy a person's brain unless first invited, so most of the spontaneous conversions
are demonic.
the hiss of the air escaping the airlock dopplers down to silence so the sound of my
breathing in the suit seems to magnify when there is no background to listen to. my suit
triggers its programmed background music in the helmet to counter the operator strain
that comes with deafening quiet.
two of the crew make sure that they have a grip on the old lady as we kick free to the
EVA railings on the skin of the station. every one makes certain we are each tethered to
the railing before going about our separate tasks. the railing through the attaching cables
provides power to the suit devices as well as limiting our drift. it is easier take power
through the umbilicals than lug about bulky batteries or solar panels.
"what's my spirit's name again?" i hear the old lady ask. her alzheimer deterioration has
gotten more advanced than many who come out here for the union.
"ataliel." i remind her for the umpteenth time today. "one of the twenty eight eight
angels of the lunar domain. lord of ebb tide and guardian of softshell creatures by night."
when a few of us have gathered on the moon side of the station, i begin the invocation. it
is like the reverse of an exorcism, inviting one of the plasmic spirits to cohabit the failing
mind of the old woman, so to strengthen her grip on consciousness, and to provide a
symbiotic residence for the disembodied angels. i see a tendril of loose saliva curl away
from the corner of the woman's mouth, unnoticed as she looks eagerly up at the near
moon viewed from the L3 lagrange orbit.
out beyond the earth's magnetic shock wave, in high orbit further than geostationary, the
space stations offer a temporary home for human habitation. at this distance the solar
winds also offer a medium for spirits. we call them spirits because of tradition, angels
and demons depending on their acquaintance with our earthbound notions of ethical
behavior. but technically they are just electromagnetic entities. vaporous organizations
of charged particles that reside in the particle streams which emit from our sun.
these spirits have a tenacious presence that cling to the various ions and molecules of the
thin etheric soup of interplanetary space, using the energy captured to retain memory and
form stable personality processes. the main problem they experience in this disembodied
existence is lack of ability to interact with the dense matter found in gravity wells. about
all they can do is merge with each other for brief periods in the raw unorganized ion
streams. this merger is how they directly exchange information about their experience
and form something like a cultural knowledge.
dense matter holds itself together through covalent molecular bonds much stronger than
the forces of plasmic cohesion which form the vaporous bodies of the spirits. the
magnetic bow wave of a planet is a barrier through which they can rarely penetrate.
spirit existence is generally a numb experience, having little ability to move or change
anything beyond the ionic medium.
but the evolution of life on planetary surfaces changed all that. nervous tissue developed
a covalent chemical mechanism for self organizing molecules into memory and
personality processes, much like the patterns in plasmic life outside the gravity wells. for
brief periods the spirit lifeforms could penetrate the magnetic shock waves of planets,
surf in long enough to find a molecular lifeform, reshape itself to match the synaptic
patterns and thereby possess and control the heavy chemical body for a while. this gave
spirits a short but substantial way of leaving their imprint heavy matter. they could
develop a culture, artifacts, technology. things not possible for them in the etheric
streams of the solar winds which is their natural domain.
but the spirit interaction with the heavy bodies of living matter had other effects. over
time the heavy earthside bodies of carbon based chemistry adapted to accommodate spirit
possession. indeed, eventually vertebrate evolution developed a nervous system that
maintained its own pattern of personality that became self aware without the temporary
visitation of the spirits from beyond.
even more extraordinary, chemical beings calling themselves 'human' left the gravity well
on hydrogen rockets and came into the heavens which are the natural medium for the
spirits. outside the heavy bonds of gravity, the angels could more easily do the synaptic
takeover of the bodies since the magnetic forces no longer threatened to tear them apart.
it was possible now to establish a permanent presence in the animal bodies off planet for
as long as the chemical processes could sustain corporal cohesion.
the problem was that our human bodies which brought ourselves off planet into the
domain of the heavens already had an organized personality which did not want to be
overridden by the spiritual entities we encountered. the solution was found in silicon. a
neuromechanical chip implanted in the brain could generate a magnetic shield which
could drive the plasmic spirits out of the body just as the natural magnetic field of earth
made permanent possession on the surface impossible. so space travelers could control
when their bodies were available for spirit control, and when they would be in protected
self control.
i keep calling through the radio waves, inviting ataliel to come as it had promised to
shore up this woman's failing grip on existence. the strip on my wrist panel that is keyed
to her neuroimplant begins to flicker in green. the angel is moving into its now shared
consciousness. i see her eyes relax and turn clear, now certain of her destiny.
=( 10:05 i have run out of time to finish writing this dream. have to get ready to go
teach. made some hurried paper notes and hope for later recall of the rest of this dream.
23:30 i get back to this laptop and finish this written
description from my notes and now cold memory of the dream. in the morning i
had written the explanatory paragraphs of the basic possession mechanisms which were
the central understanding i had of the underlying relations between the etherial and
corporal. the action narrative with the space suits and the people were easier to recall, so
that is what i tried to save on the paper after the dense understanding part was written.
the name 'atatiel' i have just pulled from a bedside book. it sounds close to actual angelic
name i knew in the dream
but can accurately recall the syllables later in the day. it was close to this sound and
length. its angelic lordship and attributes are also not remembered, but something similar
to atatiel's was mentioned. )=
. stankuli@etherways.com
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:30:08 -0500
From: "socaloca" <socaloca
Subject: Re: From Shan to Stan [flickering in ]
I didn't believe it was a dream either but I wouldn't be so mean about it. I thought it was a
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