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++ Editor's Notes
++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
SCARED STIFF - SLEEP PARALYSIS
An Interview With Jorge Conesa, PhD.
By Lucy Gillis
++ Article: Maslow's Map
A New System of Dream Classification
By Linda Lane Magall¢n
++ Research: Temporal Features Of My Dream Log
By Stan Kulikowski II
++ Article: Terror Chief Feared That Dreamers
Would Expose His Plot
By Robert Moss
++ Report: Transcript of Usama bin Laden Videotape
Released by
US State Department/Department of Defense
++ Article: This is your Dream on SUPPLEMENTS
DARE to your Enhance your Lucid Dreaming:
Part 1: The Holy Grail of the Dreamphiles
By Marc VanDeKeere
D R E A M S S E C T I O N :
This issue includes volume # 337 - # 360
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Welcome to the January 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal
to dreams and dreaming online.
Note that the Global Dreaming News is now at the top of the E-zine
so you can see right away what's up and coming. Do you have a palm
pilot? Be sure to read the review by Lars Spivok on one of the
first dream journal programs for those on the go.
Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered
dreaming news from around the world, events, conferences, and
seminars. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for
Peggy, send them to her at web@dreamtree.com
Have you ever become aware of your body when sleeping and found
that you couldn't move? If so, you may have been experiencing
Sleep Paralysis. Some times people will experience lucid dreams
and out of body experiences during this state as well. In this
months Lucid Dream Exchange, Lucy Gillis interviews researcher
Jorge Conesa, Ph.D., on the topic of Sleep Paralysis.
Linda Lane Magall¢n, author of _Mutual Dreaming_ and long time
dream researcher of outer reaches of human potential, turns her
attention to the neglected area of dreams in the work of
Humanistic psychologist, Abraham Maslow. Among a host of other
achievements, Maslow created a scale of needs to describe the
human condition, from basic existence to optimum potential.
Magall¢n shows _Maslow's Map_ how this scale can be used to take
the temperature of your dreams. In a rendition of chapter one,
included in this issue of Electric Dreams, Magall¢n explores the
context of Maslow's concepts in Maslow's life.
Stan Kulikowski II is well known to Electric Dreamers for his
special dream narratives. Recently he began looking at whether the
phases of the moon increased the vividness of his dreams and wrote
a program to investigate this phenomena. Find out more in
"Temporal Features Of My Dream Log "
Robert Moss spends much of his time traveling the country teaching
people dreamwork. For some time he has felt that approaches other
than just the application of symbolic representational systems is
needed. With the release of the 2nd bin Laden tape which showed
how pre-cognitive dreams were used and shared by the terrorists,
we get a sense that Western culture has fallen behind in the
development of our dream sharing skills and that something new may
be needed. Moss explores how bin Laden and his followers shared
dreams and suggests directions our own culture may take.
If you missed the Osama bin Laden tape about dream sharing (most
networks only showed the other part of the tape) I have reprinted
the transcript below, direct from the US Department of Defense
release. See "Transcript of Usama bin Laden Videotape."
Marc VanDeKeere is known to Electric Dreamers as well after giving
us a year of columns on lucid dreaming. Marc is back and
investigating the substances that alter, enhance and inhibit our
dream recall. To make this research really work, he would like
your input. Be sure to read and respond with your folk wisdom and
experience to iam@consciousdreaming.com
Read the scoop in "This is your Dream on SUPPLEMENTS: DARE to your
Enhance your Lucid Dreaming:
Part 1: The Holy Grail of the Dreamphiles"
Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net and
have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be
sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul
of dreamers in Cyberspace.
Thanks to all who sent in information for the Dream Resources
pages. There is still time to get your site updated. You can look
through our collected website links at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/
Hey, the Call for Papers Deadline for the 2002 ASD Conference in
Boston is December 31, 2001, so be sure to stop by, download and
fill out the form to get your presentation in on time. Hope to
see you there! http://www.asdreams.org/2002
NEXT MONTH: All about dreams and dreaming online, a guide for the
year 2002 and an update on the computer and digital dreams coming
in.
Happy New Year,
-Richard Wilkerson
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Dream Healing through the Energy Centers
- A Movie Review of "Waking Life"
- A Software Review of Dreams 1.1 for the Palm Pilot Platform
- Call for Papers: Dreaming and the Arts
- "DreamSinger" Published
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Online Survey: Digital Objects
- Supplemental Aids to Lucid Dreaming
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- The Collective Unconscious Project
- Electric Dreams Links and Online Resources
- Electric Dreams Dream Library
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>> Dream Healing Through The Energy Centers
Exploring the Chakra System with Conscious Dreaming
A transformational weekend with Robert Moss in Santa Fe, New Mexico
January 26 - 27, 2002 Saturday 9am 5pm & Sunday 9am 4pm
Attend an exciting and challenging weekend of profound adventure
in meditation and conscious dreaming, as we journey through the
seven major power centers in the human energy field and develop
extraordinary tools for self-understanding and self-healing.
You'll discover animal guardians and personal symbols associated
with each of the energy centers. Traveling through emotional and
spiritual landscapes, you'll identify where you have
given up personal power through soul loss or negative attachments.
You'll encounter spiritual helpers and locate the places of power
from which we can operate to reclaim our vital energy and live
more vibrant, creative, heart-centered lives. You'll awaken your
inner healer and creator and move "beyond suffering into myth",
which Joseph Campbell described as the heart of healing.
The group will meet in the beautiful desert mountain setting of
The Randall Davey Audubon Center on Upper Canyon Road. For more
information about The Audubon Center, you may call (505) 983 4609.
Robert Moss is a renowned shamanic dream explorer whose
fascination with the dreamworlds springs from his early childhood
in Australia, where he survived a series of near-death
experiences. He teaches innovative courses in dreamwork,
shamanism, creativity and personal growth all over the world. His
many publications include Conscious Dreaming, Dreamgates, Dreaming
True and the audio series Dream Gates: A Journey into Active
Dreaming. Visit his website at www.mossdreams.com
Registration: Tuition is $195 if paid by January 1st; $215
thereafter. Please make check or money order payable to "Lydia
Mueller" and mail to PO Box 9433, Santa Fe, NM 87504. Directions
and lodging information will be mailed upon receipt of tuition.
Contact Lydia at (505) 820-7813 or lydiawm@earthlink.net.
>> A Movie Review of WAKING LIFE
by Nora Archambeau, M.A.
WAKING LIFE by director Richard Linklater is an ideal movie for
any dreamworker. Created with an updated filmmaking technique
called interpolation, all of the characters are actors who have
been animated.
Interpolation, animation software developed by art director Bob
Sabiston, is taking a video frame of a face, tracing a nose, let's
say, then moving ahead a few frames, and tracing the nose again.
At times, the viewer doesn't know if s/he is looking at an
animated form or a real person, kind of like the characters that
show up in our dreams. The fluidity of the movie takes us from
one situation to the next with a likeness to everyday waking life
situations. Then, as the movie progresses, the scenes change in a
more abrupt fashion and become more and more like non-waking or
dreaming situations.
The movie begins with a boy and a girl playing a paper puzzle
game. The game ends with the "answer" the boy receives, which is
"dream is destiny". This main animated actor (or dream character,
if you like) turns into a young man in college who has a thirst to
know and understand answers to life's most sublime and complex
questions. He's a somewhat average, laid-back, yet fairly deep
thinking dude. So, while the scenes are set in the external
world, filmed primarily in the director's native Austin, Texas
with excursions to San Antonio and New York, one feels that s/he
is traversing the landscapes of the mind and internal realms of existence.
There is an expansive range of eclectic characters. The movie
viewer starts with a college professor speaking about Jean-Paul
Sartre's theory of existentalism, proceeds to a discussion with a
woman on the importance of language, progresses to perhaps a real
physicist-scientist who discusses the evolution of a human to a
neo-human, inserts a jailed prisoner's intense hate toward his
accusers, and meandors to a bedroom talk between actors Julie
Delpy and Ethan Hawke on how we telepathically share our
experiences with everyone all the time. What makes this movie
especially attractive for dreamworkers are the insertions of
characters who speak specifically on the topic of dreams. Solid
research has been applied in this movie to the authenticity of a
few dream states we experience. There is much said on lucid
dreaming. There is also a well-articulated monologue on the
difference between dream and waking realities, and lastly, how we
should merge waking reality with our dreams. The best line from
this movie just might be "[we are often] sleep walking through the
waking state and wake walking through dreaming".
No movie review is complete unless there includes some critique.
There are actually only two critiques, however, to make of the
movie. One is the fact that your eyes may go cross-eyed due to
the constant change of visuals found in interpolation animation.
The second is the sometimes annoying verbage that only serves to
create a sense of intellectual superiority. And being someone
who bristles when another foretells a movie's ending, this movie
reviewer will refrain from giving away the most exquisite part
that occurs with a turn of dream events towards the closing.
WAKING LIFE is thoroughly enjoyable if you are drawn to absorb
some highly mental discourses on the dilemma of human existence
and, of course, to the reality that dreams, waking and non-waking,
interface more than some want to admit with our everyday lives.
You are invited to view, ponder, and delight in an incredible
endeavor from an indie movie artist.
Nora can be contacted at (510) 893-3137 or at
narchambeau@hotmail.com.
>> Review of Handheld Software: Dreams v1.1 by Lars
Dreams v1.1 for Palm PDA
Palm OS Freeware
Software Site http://www.sennhauser.com/dreams/
Features
1. Password protect entries
2. Categories for dreams you can create yourself
3. Sort dreams by date, alpha-numerically or via
categories
4. Find by word, using the Palm search function.
5. Enter Dreams with Grafitti(TM) or built-in keyboard
The author's web site is worth a visit just for the elegant and
subject-appropriate animation.
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Comments, limitations, Wish List
Additional Dream Information Entry
A. Each dream can be placed in one of the categories
(see below),
-limit: 15 letters for category
Thus, for PG Universal House Property Damage or Loss I
had to shorten to House Damage
-limit: and only 15 categories. Since I wanted to
combine Patricia Garfield's 12 Universal Dream
categories which have 12 positive, 12 negative, I ran
out of category space.
B. Dreams can be assigned "Quality" levels of deep,
medium, or light.
When the full list is displayed, the quality levels
can also be displayed with the date and titles of the
dreams in the archive.
C. Date of dreams can be changed. This is useful if
you want to enter dreams from the past.
D. Special Categories of Lucid and Private can be
checked. There are no designations with these so you
can assign whatever meaning you want to them. That is,
lucid may mean the part of the dream was lucid, or the
whole dream, or just that you are clear about what the
dream means. It is likely the function was set up to
measure how conscious the dreamer is during the dream
that it is a dream.
Also note that if you are not interesting in tracking
"lucid" dreams, the category can be used for "flying",
however, you may not re-title the checkbox.
E. The private option ties in with the Palm Security
Function and allows you to hide these records with the
hide-show security option that is password protected.
F. I couldn't quickly find a way to edit and view
dreams on the desktop after synchronizing.
Overall it is a good start for those wishing to record
and archive dreams on a device that is already easy to
use in the dark -- just hold down the power key on
most models until the screen becomes backlit.
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Lars Spivock is an international technology consultant
and an original member of the DreamGate.com team. He
has been a lucid dreamer since early childhood. He
freelances for The Wisdom Channel, Electric Dreams,
and America Online's Alternative Medicine Forum. Lars
has contributed to dreaming outreach and education
projects for the Intuition Network, Institute of
Noetic Sciences, Association for the Study of Dreams,
Bay Area Dreamworkers, Fly by Night, and the Dream
Library and Archive.
Lars also designed and wrote chess software; invented
and prototyped a microfilm reader smaller than a
contact lens; designed a movie film technology to show
3D films with conventional projectors; taught
accredited college cybernetics, biofeedback and impact
of technology; designed and wrote art criticism
software for Wight Gallery at UCLA, and is now working
on software to automate development of neural
networks for forecasting. Lars may be contacted at
future@dreamgate.com.
>> Call for Papers: A Special Issue of Dreaming on the Arts
Editor-in-Chief Deirdre Barrett has announced a special issue of
the journal Dreaming on the topic, "Dreaming and the Arts." The
special issue will be guest-edited by Richard A. Russo, and is
scheduled for publication in early 2003. The deadline for
submissions is March 1, 2002.Contributions are invited that (1)
explore the role of dreams in particular works of art; (2) explore
dreaming in relation to the arts in general, or to a specific
artistic discipline; (3) explore how the study of dreaming can
enhance our understanding of the arts and/or the creative process;
or (4) explore how study of the arts can enhance our understanding
of dreams. Although articles pertaining to literature will be
considered, works that examine less-frequently explored arts,
including painting, sculpture, film, theater, performance and
dance, are particularly welcome.
Dreaming is a publication of the Association for the Study of
Dreams. Instructions to contributors are available in Dreaming or
at the ASD web site (www.ASDreams.org). Manuscripts will undergo
full peer review and should be submitted by March 1, 2002, to:
Richard A. Russo, M.A.
835 Peralta Ave.
Berkeley, CA 94707
( RR@well.com ).
>> DreamSingers Published
Langston Hughes described African Americans as "Dream-singers all
/ My People." In DREAM-SINGERS: The African American Way with
Dreams (John Wiley & Sons; $24.95; Cloth), dream scholar Anthony
Shafton explores the lively and deeply held traditions surrounding
dreams in this community. DREAM-SINGERS is
the first work to shed full light on the wonderful range of social
and spiritual meanings dreams have for African Americans in their
daily lives. A reverence for dreams runs like a river through
African American experience. DREAM-SINGERS distills this heritage
through an intimate look at the dream lives of more than 100
individuals. Prominent persons who shared their dreams and
understandings with the author include writers John Edgar
Wideman, Gloria Naylor and Ntozake Shange, former Chicago Bulls
star Craig Hodges, and poet/activist Haki Madhubuti. But mostly
Shafton interviewed ordinary folk from all walks of life--
teachers, students, ministers, journalists, businesspersons,
workers, prisoners, the unemployed. In addition, some 250 novels,
plays, and other writings by African American authors have been
combed for dream-related material. You will find a great
storehouse of folk and literary treasures," writes author Clarence
Major, "in this ambitious book that speaks to anyone who has ever
thought about his or her dreams. It's a wonderful adventure and I
highly recommend it."
Shafton explores the prevalence of ancestor dreams, the belief in
predictive dreaming, the openness to dreamlike experiences in the
waking state, and the link between dreams and spirituality at the
core of the black dream experience. The exploration reveals an
intriguing African connection underlying the tapestry of beliefs
and attitudes. From traditional dream signs and dreams "meant for
others" to picking numbers and dej vu, DREAM-SINGERS illuminates
a wealth of interpretations and approaches,
offering every reader invaluable insights into a distinctly
American spiritual tradition.
"Well, you know what would be really useful?" said Novelist John
Edgar Wideman after being interviewed for Dream-Singers, "and it's
already been useful to me is just to bring up this whole side of
things. This whole race and dreams.... You're doing stuff nobody
else has done or talked about.... there should be a tremendous
response."
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>> Supplemental Aids to Lucid Dreaming Research Project
The goal of this project is rather open-ended. We will be testing
a wide variety of supplemental aids. Anything thing external can
be consider an aid. We will examine everything from vitamins,
herbs and diet to lucid-dreaming sleep masks like the NovaDreamer
available at The Lucidity Institute . Anything that may enhance
our lucid dreaming abilities is fair game for exploration. This
project is currently being developed and will be an ongoing
process. If you have any ideas for new things to test, please send
an email to ideas@consciousdreaming.com
PROJECT 3: SUPPLEMENTAL AIDs
http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dreaming-research/lucid-
dreaming-proj
ects.htm#3
>> Online Survey: Digital Objects
Are you having dreams about computers? There is a collision that
is taking place between technology and humanity. This survey is
interested in how the analog human dreams about digital objects,
about robots, cyborgs, androids and other beings and scenarios
that look at the human-machine interface. Be sure to drop off your
computer dreams and fill out the survey at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/computers/
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>> The Collective Unconscious Project
http://tcup.currentform.com/
Create an account, log dreams in the database and then explore
other similar dreams via keywords and other correspondences. Float
around in a immanent collective unconscious created by
similarities between your dream and other dreams.
>> Electric Dreams Links and Online Resources
Just in time for the 2002 New Year, Electric Dreams has updated
the massive resources and links collection we maintain online. If
you can't find your favorite dream site here, send the URL and a
short summary of the site to Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com
for inclusion in the Global Dreaming News. Sites from the news
are reviewed and added to the resource pages. Feel free to
suggest that your site be added to more than one
category! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/
>> Electric Dreams Dream Library
The EDreams library has been updated for the New Year. Here you
will find links to all the Electric Dreams resources as well as
special projects by DreamGate, DreamTree, ASD and other dream
sites. Dreamwork, psychology, paranormal dreaming, postmodern
dreaming, dream science, dream interpretation, dream art ,
publications, dream groups, and much, much more.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library/
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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SCARED STIFF - SLEEP PARALYSIS
An Interview With Jorge Conesa, PhD.
(c) 2001 Lucy Gillis
You wake up in bed, like you do every day, but something is wrong.
Something doesn't feel right. It feels like there is someone or
something in the room with you. You become nervous and decide to
get up, but you can't. You're paralyzed! Fear rising , you
struggle to move. It's hard to breathe and there is a force
pressing down on your chest. A loud roaring and buzzing noise is
building all around you and your panic increases. Inside you're
screaming, but no sound passes your lips...
Many people endure experiences like this throughout their lives.
For those who aren't aware of what is occurring it can be
terrifying and have a profound effect on every day life. But for
those who know what is happening, and who are not frightened by
it, it can provide an opportunity to enter lucid dreams or OBE's.
Body paralysis is a natural part of the sleep cycle that we all
undergo every night. We simply don't recognize it because we are
asleep. However, conscious awareness during sleep paralysis can
arise and it can feel like your mind is awake but your body is
not. (Just like lucid dreaming.) Sleep paralysis researcher Jorge
Conesa, PhD., has kindly agreed to help shed some light on this
fascinating phenomena and point out how sleep paralysis can be
connected with lucid dreaming..
<LG> What first interested you in sleep paralysis (SP)?
<JC> My interest in SP began with my own chronic experiences of
SP, since I was 14 years old (I am 46 now). Many of the first-time
experiences were frightening mostly because I did not know what
was happening to me. For example, my very first SP experience
occurred in conjunction with a so-called OBE (out-of-the-body-
experience). I had lain down in my bed without being too sleepy
and the next thing that I observed was a familiar texture about
two inches from my eyes. I realized that this texture was the
ceiling of my own bedroom! I panicked thinking that the house had
collapsed on top of me. Then I turned around, all the way around,
and I saw "myself" sleeping in my own bed. The fright of seeing
myself was so intense that I 'woke up' in a jolt. After that,
similar experiences would follow a period of paralysis. Since
then, I have run the gamut of hypnagogic phenomena, from being
accosted by hairy beings, to flying, to nowadays, a situation of
almost total control of the vision experience. Unfortunately,
through all those early years I never told anyone about these
events and did not know about sleep paralysis until I read
Hufford's (1982) classic on night terrors in 1985. I became
interested in the scientific study of SP while in graduate school
(1989-92). While working on my Ph.D. (short-term memory) I came
across several references from leading dream researchers
addressing the topic of dream recollection research. I was taken
by a strong and sensible case for the need to establish long-term
monitoring of dream content. Since my own SP experiences were
concurrent with vivid and lucid dreams, I decided to conduct a
long-term study (at first a single-subject study, now it has grown
to include many subjects as well) on my dream recollections
associated with chronic SP. This was an attempt at gathering basic
SP data from a consistent subject.
<LG> What exactly is SP? What is happening in the body when it
occurs?
<JC> Phenomenologically speaking, SP is the awareness that one's
body is immobile while one is supposedly asleep. Although dream
researchers may disagree about the exact correlation between
dreaming and REM sleep in general, the fact that SP is about
paralysis makes it a REM phenomenon. Part of the normal nighttime
cycle of human sleep includes roughly four periods of
desynchronized sleep (D-sleep) accompanied by rapid eye movements
(REM). During these periods the body is physiologically paralyzed,
in order, some dream researchers argue, to prevent us from acting
out our dreams. Some individuals can become aware of this normal
state and report the paralysis and other accompanying phenomena.
Because the period from being awake, to becoming drowsy and
finally moving quickly into D-sleep consists of a very dynamic
series of consciousness states, then in addition to the awareness
of the normal paralysis the sleeper can experience any number of
ideatic phenomena. These phenomena can include auditory
hallucinations, the sense or feeling of a presence (FOP) in the
sleeper's bedroom, somatosensory-acoustic phenomena such as
tingling, crackling, vibrations, "sonic booms", bodily pain, wind-
like rustling. Additionally, some subjects (myself included)
report OBE's. Finally, in some subjects (myself included) these
phenomena become secondary experiences to more creative and
controlled forms of dreaming such as lucid dreaming. Some of
these experiences can be accounted for neurophysiologically. In
an important piece of research Takeuchi et al (1992) showed that,
in addition to being a REM disorder, SP is accompanied by alpha
waves. This is an important finding because it connects the
phenomena with other types of "conscious ideation" (D. Foulkes)
practices such as meditation.
<LG> What causes SP?
<JC> Actually, it would be fair to ask: what causes some
individuals (normals, experiencing Isolated Sleep Paralysis) to be
aware during normally occurring periods of paralysis associated
with REM sleep? That is the million-dollar question. To my
knowledge, no one has "the answer" to that question yet. I suspect
that "the answer" would show a multitude of reasons causing a
person to experience/report SP episodes. One way to an answer
would be to say that during REM sleep our brain is closer to being
awake than in any other sleep stage, and a segment of the
population, or all of us at some point in our lives, are more
aware of this particular state than others. That is, our studies
show a relationship between the amount of awareness (higher
arousal leading to higher awareness) that the sleeper brings to
his nighttime rest periods and the incidence of SP. More
specifically, others have reported (Takeuchi et al, 1992) that
individuals who experience SP may exhibit sleep onset REM (SOREM)
or the ability to slip into REM sleep while bypassing NON-REM
sleep stages. However, it has not been explained why some
sleepers exhibit SOREM. The phrase "the amount of awareness that
the sleeper brings" includes: psychological anxiety, physical
stress, physiological stress (illness), the ingestion of
stimulants, and in our study, geophysical variables that could
impact sensitive individuals. This grand variable, increased
awareness prior to sleep, may be moderated in turn by a variety of
culturally diverse sleeping situations and expectations,
personality profiles, psychological states, and environmental
circumstances. The complexity of the circumstances giving rise to
SP opens the door to a multitude of studies. The bottom line is
this: some individuals maintain self-awareness into sleep
processes that are usually unconscious. The insatiable
predormittal preoccupation with stressful events increases the
probability of self-awareness during sleep. Unfortunately,
Isolated Sleep Paralysis has not been researched comprehensively;
therefore, much case-study work needs to be done in order to learn
basic information about the personality and the environmental
context of the sleep paralysis dreamer. Our own studies are aimed
at initiating this basic research. We want to know as much about
the context of the experience as possible.
<LG> Can anything be done to prevent SP or ease the anxiety while
it occurs?
<JC> Great success has been reported in ways of preventing SP such
as: altering sleeping posture (from supine to sleeping on one's
side); reducing psychological or physiological stress
(antidepressant drugs such as imipramine have been proven useful
in treating SP); reducing the ingestion of stimulants prior to
going to sleep; and allowing individuals simply to catch up on
much needed rest. Four basic things are very useful in easing the
anxiety that comes with the SP experience. One, the person must
know that she/he will wake up at some point, that the paralysis is
a normal part of sleep. Second, people should calm themselves by
breathing in a regular and rhythmic manner. Most of our subjects
benefit greatly from learning how to breathe in a calm, relaxed
manner. Thirdly, some individuals, in a calm and predetermined
fashion, may attempt to move parts of their bodies (just trying to
move the pinky or one of your toes works, without struggling).
Finally, many subjects can ease their anxiety by combining these
methods with a fourth: an attentional exercise. I recommend our
subjects to focus their attention at a point two inches below
their navel. By trying any of these techniques alone or in
combination, the sleeper either naturally wakes up or moves on to
dreaming.
<LG> What is the connection between lucid dreaming (LD) and SP?
<JC> There are two parts to the question. First, the
electrophysiology of sleep suggests that SP and LD may have little
in common. That is, there are reports that lucid dreaming seems to
occur at the beginning or the end of S-sleep, whereas SP is a REM
phenomenon. Having said that, and going back to my earlier point
that sleep is a very dynamic series of processes, these
eletrophysiological boundaries may mean little to the person who
experiences SP with LD. Many of the subjects who report SP also
report LD. I have come to accept the fact that self-awareness
during sleep, no matter how it happens or when it occurs, is an
extraordinary phenomenological event. Once a person finds
himself/herself in SP, the probability increases (especially if
they can control the transition from SP to LD) that they will
experience a LD. In this sense, one can think of SP as a very
convenient launching pad toward LD. This is certainly the case in
my own experiences. I hardly think of SP as an experience in
itself; or if I do, I know it to be a gateway to LD and beyond: I
breathe calmly, I focus my attention on my navel area and there I
go into some fantastic dreamscape. In this sense, to have SP is to
have a gift.
<LG> Do you think that a person's cultural beliefs or folklore
influences the SP experience?
<JC> Yes, absolutely! Let me cite the case of The Night Marchers,
a SP phenomena reported in the Hawaiian Islands. The vision of the
"marchers" typically occurs after people have gone to bed and have
experienced some of the classical symptoms of SP-as-incubus: a
heaviness in the chest and the inability to move. Then folklore
steps in and colors this classical SP experience by homogenizing,
if you will, the SP experience with the anticipation of hearing
warriors' thunderous footsteps marching near the sleeper's
location. Many SP experiencers who have never heard of Hawaii's
"Night Marchers" still hear thunderous footsteps marching near
their beds. However, they may not interpret these acoustic
hallucinations as marching Hawaiian warriors. Furthermore, to me
it is interesting that these visions occur in certain parts of the
island. This is significant to my own geophysical hypothesis of SP
in that it points to locations that may be geophysically
(geomagnetically) active, where sensitive sleepers may be affected
by these natural forces. Elsewhere (Conesa, J. (2000).
Geomagnetic, Cross-cultural and Occupational Faces of Sleep
Paralysis: An Ecological perspective. Sleep and Hypnosis, 2:105-
111) I have made the case for a greater incidence in the reports
of SP and in its folklore in the area generally called the Pacific
Ring of Fire. Your question is also very relevant to our homespun,
cultural version of SP: the so-called alien abduction phenomena.
If a person reports an alien abduction while they are in bed,
experiencing paralysis, and without credible witnesses to their
abduction, then I am going to bet my scientific dollars that they
are experiencing SP with concomitant hypnagogic hallucinations.
<LG> How may geomagnetism and SP be related?
<JC> The connection between SP and geomagnetism began as a
suggestion by neurocognitive researcher Michael Persinger that so-
called paranormal experiences can be explained by the reactivity
of the human brain to electromagnetic fields. It also began after
the discovery that cells in the pineal gland are affected by the
introduction of fluctuating earth-strength magnetic fields.
Finally, it began as a reasonable and parsimonious explanation of
certain SP experiences when none of the usual triggers (anxiety,
stress) were present. Some writers have commented that our
geomagnetic hypothesis may not be useful once a genetic
explanation for SP can be supported. Even if an argument can be
made for a familial (genetic) history of SP, this fact alone does
not explain away a purported geomagnetic effect, but only enhances
it. What I mean is that a physiological reactivity to changing
magnetic fields (SP) may confer an evolutionary advantage to an SP
experiencer, especially if this human can predict atmospheric or
geomagnetic phenomena. This advantage would pay off in terms of
greater probability for survival if the same atmospheric or
magnetic phenomena affects the creatures she hunts or he plants.
What I mean is that SP and its imagery may only be a byproduct of
other more important geophysical, natural sensitivities. It would
be a bonus indeed if this natural sensitivity to geophysical
variables translates into vivid imagery that can warn off the
sleeper and create, in turn, rich folklore and practical
superstition.
<LG> What are you currently studying/researching with regard to
SP?
<JC> There are many facets to our interest in SP. Our three main
research goals are: 1) to pursue long-term naturalistic (case)
studies of SP experiencers; b) to pursue an understanding of a
possible role of geophysical variables in SP when other more
obvious triggers are not relevant to the subject's case; and c) to
look closely at the interaction of these two emphases by examining
cross-cultural varieties of SP in folklore narratives in
epidemiological studies.
<LG> What about current research in other institutions? Has there
been any recent findings of note?
<JC> I keep track of research coming out of the Stanford Sleep
Laboratory. From the same laboratory came a comprehensive study of
SP by Ohayon, et al (1999). (Prevalence and pathologic
associations of sleep paralysis in the general population.
Neurology, 52(6), 1194-1200.) If the reader is interested in
cross-cultural accounts of SP I would recommend Arikawa's et al
study (1999) looking at the Japanese version of SP, Kanashibari
(The Structure and Correlates of Kanashibari. Journal of
Psychology, 133(4), 369-375.) or Wing, et al's. (1994) Chinese
study. Finally, our group published a review article in 2000
(Conesa, J. (2000). Geomagnetic, Cross-cultural and Occupational
Faces of Sleep Paralysis: An Ecological perspective. Sleep and
Hypnosis, 2:105-111). Next year, our group will release our
decade-long SP study. To my knowledge, this is the only study so
far to have monitored a single SP sufferer for that long
(Kleitman's study lasted that long but it did not look at SP as
the focus). Although we must be cautious making a generalization
using single-subject case studies, our data may prove to be useful
to sleep (SP) researchers.
<LG> Do participants in your research sleep in your lab? If so,
what is being monitored while they sleep? Can you tell, from the
monitoring devices, when someone is experiencing SP
hallucinations?
<JC> N/A We are not a sleep laboratory. We are a cognitive
laboratory trying to narrow down the many variables associated
with SP. There is much in my research that obviously adheres to
the adage "if life gives you lemons ..."
Being a chronic SP sufferer may have its advantages when it comes
to studying this phenomenon up close and personal. Additionally,
and thanks to the world wide web, we have been able to collect
hundreds of reports from subjects all over the world. This is an
added benefit for scientific research if one is very careful about
methodology and protocols. We also work closely with the
Geological Survey of Canada (Dr. R. L. Coles) in order to obtain
our geomagnetic (aa indices) flux data. Earlier in my scientific
interest of SP I seriously considered doing work in a sleep
research center. But I was persuaded by writers/researchers such
as Cohen (1974), Gackenback (1991), and Hobson (1994), that sleep
research needed more field observations in real-life settings if
we wanted a comprehensive view of dream phenomena. It would be
very difficult indeed to monitor a subject (myself) for ten years
with wires hanging everywhere while the (this) subject plays the
multiple roles of family man, scientist, educator, hiker and
didgeridoo player! It would be impossible to allow this
hypothetical subject a LIFE if he was to spend ten years of his
life inside of a sleep research facility. It is indisputable that
EEG methodology is invaluable in tracking gross sleep events and
concomittant behavior (narcolepsy for example). But I suspect that
in the case of the SP experiencer the experiential context is
larger than squiggly lines on a piece of paper can tell. If we
isolate the SP dreamer from his/her rich cultural, natural, or
familial context, we may miss the genesis of his/her condition.
<LG> Is there a certain type of personality more susceptible to SP
than others?
<JC> Yes! A lot of our respondents describe periods of great
personal conflict coinciding with their reported SP episodes. The
bottom line is that these individuals report anxiety or are
emotionally, physically or psychologically stressed. There are
some marginal effects of dramatic life style, including, for
example, moving to a new domicile or starting an intense (new)
intimate (sexual) relationship. Some female respondents associate
their menstrual periods with greater incidence of SP. Some
subjects are involved in meditation or do self-hypnosis prior to
sleeping. Some subjects who report having migraine headaches also
report SP (it may have nothing to do with the actual migraine but
with the resulting added vigilance due to the pain and/or lack of
sleep). Lately, we have begun collecting data in our survey that
includes questions about being a "weather witch". Meaning, some
subjects (it happens to me) associate storm fronts with an
increased frequency of reported SP (by the way, migraine sufferers
do, too). There are lifespan effects as well. For example, SP
reports increase during adolescence and peak around the mid to
late twenties. I have argued earlier that this increase in reports
concentrated around these ages is also associated with turbulent
and highly dynamic periods of human development. Individuals who
work graveyard shifts in hospitals or factories also report SP
frequently. This apparently chaotic list of circumstances can be
summed up into two broad categories of susceptibles: One,
individuals who are experiencing mild to high anxiety or emotional
excitation who are likely to bring this increased sense of self-
awareness into their sleep cycles. And two, individuals who are
not getting enough sleep and who are likely to experience REM-
rebound to catch up their lost D-sleep and consequently move too
fast into REM with the recognition of paralysis.
<LG> If someone wanted to participate in your study or wanted
further information, how can they contact you?
<JC> We welcome the interest of anyone who is curious about SP.
Interested parties can contact me directly by mail, phone or email
at:
Jorge Conesa, Ph.D.
The Language and Cognition Lab
The Northwest Language Center/EVCC
2000 Tower St.
Everett, WA 98201
(425)388-9388
jconesa@evcc.ctc.edu
jorgeconesa@yahoo.com
or they can visit our research and SP information web site at:
http://www.geocities.com/jorgeconesa/Paralysis/sleepnew.html
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Maslow's Map
A New System of Dream Classification
1999 Linda Lane Magall¢n
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Chapter 1: Maslow the Man
Back of the Job The Dreamer
Who's making the dream come true.
Berton Braley
There are several dreamwork techniques that purport to interpret a
dream without knowing anything about the dreamer. To me, this is
nuts. It's like trying to figure out what a person is like by
dissecting his brain. Or by wrapping his head in the tapestries of
ancient history. A dream is not a thing, it's the creative product
of an organic being who lives in a particular environment, a nest,
if you will. I contend that you can't fully appreciate the dream
egg unless you know something about the context in which it
appears. It makes a difference whether the parents of the embryo
are bird or snake, whether the nest is located on the ground or in
the tree tops.
So, before I present Abraham Maslow's scale of health, I'd like to
tell you something about the man behind the theory of human
potential.
History
Abraham Maslow was an April Fool baby. Born 1908 in Brooklyn, NY,
he was the first of 7 children. Maslow considered his childhood
terrible and unhappy. His parent divorced when he was in college.
After graduating from high school, Maslow started law school
because his father wanted him to become a lawyer. One day a class
was discussing how people should behave towards one another, from
a legal point of view. The discussion offended Maslow so much that
he walked out, leaving his books behind. He marched straight home
and announced to the family that he was quitting law school. When
his father asked him what he *did* want to study, Maslow replied,
"Everything!"
Which, it seems, is exactly what he did. His checkered college
experience included study at several institutions and courses in
agriculture, humanities, social sciences and the sciences. At the
University of Wisconsin, he discovered behaviorist psychology and
that set his career path. That same year, he went home for
Christmas and married his first cousin Bertha, over almost
everyone's objections. Eventually, they had two healthy daughters,
Ann and Ellen.
Maslow completed education through his doctorate at Wisconsin. He
was of Jewish heritage, which made it very difficult to get a job.
He applied for a dozen teaching positions throughout the country
with no success despite stellar credentials and letters of
recommendation. Desperate, the young husband enrolled in med
school and taught Introductory Psychology under a teaching
fellowship. But he hated learning the parts of the body by rote
and he found it hard to dissociate from the pain and distress of
his patients in the medical clinic. Instead, his heart was in
experimental research. So most of his life he did that and teach
at the college level.
Eventually Maslow became chair of the Department of Psychology at
Brandeis University and was elected President of the American
Psychological Association (1967-68). He was a founder of both
Humanistic Psychology and Transpersonal Psychology.
Maslow suffered from an undiagnosed life-long physical weakness
(he got a "D" in ROTC). At one point he had to take a sabbatical
and work for his family, who owned a cooperage in Pleasanton, CA.
(A cooperage makes the barrels for wine). This is where he got
first hand experience in business management. During his last
years he had a fellowship for research here in the Bay Area from
the SAGA Corporation. (SAGA is a food service company that manages
college cafeterias). Maslow died at home in Menlo Park on June 8,
1970 at age 62 from massive heart failure while jogging in the
California sun.
Influences
Maslow wasn't a militant, but his essential humanistic values
showed up early. During college, he walked off a summer job, with
the entire staff this time, because the boss was a liar and a rip-
off artist.
At the time he studied psychology, the emphasis was on hard
science. Maslow took courses in physiology, chemistry, physics,
statistics, zoology and animal behavior. In the lab he learned to
perform animal dissections and he did a good job of it. He
observed the behavior of apes and monkeys...not in deepest Africa,
I doubt he could have survived the physical rigor required...but
at the best local substitute, the Bronx Zoo. These innovative and
well-respected studies in animal sex and dominance brought him to
the attention of the scientific community and led him to human
research on the same subjects.
But the birth of his first child changed him. "I'd say that anyone
who had a baby couldn't be a Behaviorist," he mused. "I looked at
this tiny, mysterious thing and felt...stunned by the mystery and
by the sense of not really being in control." Maslow realized that
human beings couldn't be studied as scientists study chemical
reactions, stars and galaxies. The study of people required a
study of values.
Maslow was advocating quality over quantity, a very original
perspective for the time. His proposed master thesis had been on
the psychology of music, a subject he loved. But it was rejected
as being too "soft-minded." Instead he had to do traditional
research, ringing bells and flashing cards in front of students to
test their memory and learning. Later, when he could, he shifted
to case studies.
Whereas Freud had relied on case histories of a small sample of
affluent Viennese women psychiatric patients, Maslow first
interviewed mid-class college educated men and women. Like Freud,
like Jung, he preferred the women! In fact, since his study of
female sexuality and dominance, he had been an advocate of the
rights of women to assert themselves in many areas of life,
including the intellectual. He thought raising children well came
from emotional maturity, not just from maternal instinct.
Maslow created the Social Personality Inventory. Stanford
published it and it became widely used in psychological research.
But Maslow became very aware of its limitations when he did
fieldwork with the Blackfoot Indians in Canada. He concluded that
his list of personality traits "was ridiculously useless when used
to measure secure people."
Compared to the Blackfoot, Americans were very insecure, a finding
recently corroborated by Patricia Garfield when she compared the
dreams of American children with East Indian children. In her
study, the older American children reported almost no purely
pleasant dreams, whereas the Indian children did not stop having
them as they grew up. She wondered, what happened to the
Americans? And she affirmed, as I do, that something could be done
about it.
Maslow's second research tool, a test of whether people actually
were secure or insecure, did work across cultures. He became
convinced that an insecure person, no matter what the tradition,
would tend to show the same general characteristics of insecurity,
such as the need to be empowered and a feeling of uncertainty
about the feelings of the people around him. Note that this second
approach relies less on outer behavior and more on inner
perception and feelings, just the sort of things that are
reflected by dreams.
Because of his cross-cultural research, which extended well beyond
the Blackfoot, Maslow became friendly with anthropologists Ruth
Benedict, Gregory Bateson and Margaret Mead. Actually, his
colleague and friendship network reads like a "Who's Who" of the
greatest thinkers of the time. Erich Fromm, Carl Rogers, Victor
Frankl, Rollo May, Ashley Montagu, Lewis Mumford, Paul Tillich,
Willis Harman, Arnold Mitchell, Robert Hartman, S. I Hayakawa.
Although he dearly treasured his privacy, clearly Maslow was not
an recluse. He lived in society, not just in his head.
His relationship with Esalen's Michael Murphy was like father and
son. Political activist Abbie Hoffman was his student. His
daughter Ellen went to work for Timothy Leary as an assistant in
psychedelic research. She also joined the Freedom Riders to fight
for black voter registration in the Deep South. He made friends
with Betty Friedan, whose devoted nearly a chapter to Maslow's
humanistic approach as an alternative to Freud's demeaning view of
women in her book "The Feminine Mystique."
Maslow had studied under Max Wertheimer and Kurt Koffka, two of
the co-founders of Gestalt psychology. It was Wertheimer who
argued that people learn through insight, the "aha!" experience,
so favored as a measure of completion by dreamworkers today.
Wertheimer also described what Maslow would later come to call
"peak experiences." These are moments when the individual feels at
his very best: moments of great awe, happiness, rapture, bliss or
ecstasy.
Maslow also knew and studied with psychoanalyst Alfred Adler. In
contrast to Freud's gloom about the human condition, Adler taught
that social institutions could be reformed and revitalized for
human betterment. Maslow took this lesson to heart.
But Maslow based his view most heavily on Karen Horney's neo-
Freudian outlook. Human beings have basic needs that must be
fulfilled in order to be healthy. He argued that early deprivation
and frustration of any basic need almost inevitably damages or
emotionally cripples adult life.
He drew an analogy to vitamins. "At its core," he said, "a
deficiency disease (arises from) being deprived of certain
satisfactions which I call needs in the same sense that water and
animo acids and calcium are needs, namely that their absence
produces illness." Whereas psychotherapy may help satisfy current
and future needs, it can't restore what was lost. It can't bring
back the missed opportunity to experience a normal life during
that early period.
Impact
At one point Maslow identified with the child in the *Emperor's
New Clothes.* It was the child in that folk tale who alerted
people to the fact that they were living a delusion. "Never
underestimate the power of a single individual to affect the
world," he said. "Remember, one candle in a cave lights
everything."
Maslow had a pretty big candle. His most popular book, *Towards a
Psychology of Being,* was passed from hand to hand. From his work,
many people were led to careers in psychiatry. But Maslow said
that the theory "needs a life situation of the total human being"
to confirm it.
Actually, it was the industrial situation. The job situation,
rather than the laboratory or the couch, served as verification
and validation of his theory. Maslow was sought after by
corporations and government agencies interested in fostering
creativity in their employees, especially in such fields as
engineering and research and development.
Besides business management and marketing, his theory of
motivation has impacted nursing and health care, marriage
counseling and education, psychotherapy and theology. People in
general have begun to form a more positive view of human
motivation and potential.
Maslow The Counselor
Despite his serious dedication to the cause of human
actualization, Maslow wasn't a cold intellect. He had a sense of
humor and he could poke fun at himself. Because of his essential
warmth, Maslow made a good counselor to college students. The
students didn't have the time to devote to in-depth analysis, but
there was no proven alternative. So Maslow had to rely on reading,
on conversations with his analyst-friends and on his intuition to
develop his own techniques. Instead of lengthy Freudian free
association, he used an approach he called "lifting the lid off
the repression."
Maslow described to the students many case studies in order to
establish the naturalness of their thoughts, feelings and
behavior. Through his comments, he created an environment of
acceptance and reassurance. He pointed out that it takes courage
to recognize and deal with one's troublesome impulses and
feelings.
But, true to his profession, he didn't just provide a safe place
to talk. Maslow gave out homework. He often gave students an
outline to use so that they could write out their problems, then
bring the installment to him once a week for his analysis and
suggestions. "I also ask them...to keep a dream diary," he said.
Furthermore, Maslow urged students to go beyond reflection to
action. He suggested creative activities like art or music that
could be uplifting or calming: whatever was warranted.
Maslow was keenly aware that the source of much conflict came from
selecting a vocation that was a mismatch with personality. Or a
course of study that repressed talent, calling and potential
development. In part, he developed his theory of self-
actualization from these encounters with the students.
Maslow The Teacher
As a teacher, Maslow was innovative. He invited students to his
home to discuss psychological issues. Because he believed that the
best way to make psychological theory come alive was to relate it
to our own experiences, he had each student write in advance
something autobiographical, something about their sexual history
or dreams, and be prepared to share those comments with the group.
He believed that honest self-disclosure does much to remove
anxiety and awkwardness about such topics. (Sounds to me like he'd
make a good community dreamworker).
Maslow's Own Dreams
Did Maslow pay attention to his own dreams? Yes. For one thing, he
went through psychoanalysis. Then there was the episode at
Brandeis. Maslow co-taught there with historian Frank Manuel.
Maslow respected Manuel enormously, but the team-teaching
heightened the differences in their temperament and outlook.
Finally, Manuel left for New York University and Maslow was
crushed. He reported that he had frequent dreams of rejection for
months after the bad news.
Maslow and ESP
Did Maslow pay attention to ESP? Yes. At Cornell he and his
college buddies conducted an ESP experiment in which he was the
receiver. Much later in life Maslow wrote a letter to famous
parapsychologist J. B. Rhine suggesting that, rather than to
attempt fostering psychic communication between people who were
virtual strangers, it might be more advantageous to hold a
telepathic experiment between people who knew each other well.
Maslow and Groups
Yes, Maslow was not a hermit. He said that we should avoid making
the "stupid mistake of defining self as nothing but our
reflections in an awful lot of mirrors." For Maslow, the
determinants of behavior were both interpersonal and
intrapersonal. Both private and social.
At Lake Arrowhead he observed T-groups (therapy groups/encounter
groups) experiencing from within and without. He concluded that
feedback from others leads to the experience of inner happenings
in a form less chaotic or frightening than a private experience
might be.
Then he experimented in groups with interview and feedback
techniques. Each group member was a listener to one other member
and a speaker to yet another. Each played the part of patient and
therapist. Like peer dreamwork groups. Or the exercises I did in
business management courses. Intimacy, exposure, listening,
expression were part of the mix of what he came to call "personal
development groups." He especially emphasized less structured
communications. He said, "...we need to be more poetic, more
mythical, more metaphoric, more archaic in the Jungian sense."
Maslow At Esalen
I've already mentioned that Maslow studied under 2 co-founders of
Gestalt psychology and he incorporated some of that theory into
his own. I've already told you that he treated Michael Murphy of
Esalen like a son. He presented many times at Esalen, the prime
haven of encounter group therapy. He was pro-group therapy and
pro-Gestalt. I mention this again so you can appreciate the
context in which this next incident occurred.
One day Maslow came to Esalen to discuss peak experiences. He
thought that by bringing together a group of congenial people
personally familiar with such experiences and his own
psychological theory, he could help build a meaningful, shared
language of transcendence. Rather like the lucid dreamers hashing
out the definition of lucid dreaming in their group meetings. At
the time Gestalt therapist Fritz Perls resided at Esalen, so
reluctantly, Murphy invited him, too. Talk about a recipe for
disaster. Perls once called Maslow a "sugar-coated Nazi."
After presenting his theory and its implications, Maslow started
his discussion of language with a simple example. "Take 'duty,' he
began, "Now, how would you define duty in a non-traditional way, a
psychological meaning that conveys self-actualization or health?"
Silence. Then one person suggested that duty can be thought of as
fulfilling one's personal destiny, one's innate potential; that
is, the duty to yourself to be the best or truest you can be.
"Right," replied Maslow, "that's a good example."
"This is just like school," Perls exclaimed in a loud, sarcastic
voice. "Here is the teacher, and there is the pupil, giving the
right answer." Maslow ignored the jab and those Perls would level
that evening and the next day. By nature, Maslow avoided
confrontation as much as possible. Nor did Murphy want to
challenge Perls, nor did anyone else. But that didn't stop Fritz
Perls.
Next night, the atmosphere grew more and more strained as Maslow
doggedly continued his effort to develop transcendent language.
Suddenly, Perls dropped to the floor and began to make whining,
infant-like sounds. Before the astonished gathering, he slowly
wrapped himself around Maslow's knees. Maslow stared down in
disbelief. Tersely, he told Murphy, "This begins to look like
sickness."
The gathering broke up in confusion. Seething with unexpressed
feelings, Maslow stayed up into the late hours of the night.
Writing down his angry thoughts calmed him and eventually he fell
asleep. Next day, he delivered an impassioned speech in which he
pointed out some of the problems at Esalen....like putting up with
delinquent behavior in the name of spontaneity.
This did not earn him any new friends. Some of those in attendance
found Maslow's passionate speech well-intentioned but annoying and
paternalistic. Others, like Murphy, respected Maslow for
accurately diagnosing Esalen's chief weakness: its lack of
intellectual vitality. "Why is there no library at Esalen?" Maslow
had asked.
Perhaps his method was a mismatch with the touchy-feelie Esalen
crowd, but personally, I appreciate how Maslow instinctively
zeroed in on the crux of a recurring problem in psychology.
Imbalance. Polarization and dichotomy. The scientists versus the
mystics. Right brain against left brain. Feeling and thinking as
enemies instead of collaborators in self-actualization.
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*Garfield, P. *Your Child's Dreams* (New York: Ballentine Books,
1984).
*Hoffman, E. *The Right to be Human* (Los Angeles, CA: Jeremy P.
Tarcher, 1988).
*Maslow, A. H. *The Farther Reaches of Human Nature* (New York:
Penguin Books, 1976).
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Maslow/editor, Edward Hoffman* (Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage
Publications, 1996).
*Maslow, A. H. *Motivation and Personality* (New York: Harper &
Row, 1970).
*Maslow, A. H. *Towards a Psychology of Being,* (New York: Van
Nostrand Reinhold, 1968).
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*Stephens, A. *Private Myths: Dreams and Dreaming* (Cambridge, MA:
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Temporal Features Of My Dream Log
By Stan Kulikowski II
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23 sep 2001 02:05
a while back i believe it was judith gips commented on one of my
dreams and she mentioned that she dreamed more vividly when she
had her period, and wondered if i did the same. i replied that i
did not have periods, being of the wrong gender for such. she
then told me that men of her acquaintance are sensitive to the
phases of the moon and so have the equivalence of menstrual
periods too. i was unaware of myself having any such response,
but it occurred to me that since i have been logging my dreams for
many years, i should have enough data to look for temporal cycles
in my dreaming.
i can report on this data now. i wrote a perl program that
processes the files which contain my dream logs. i got started
collecting dreams on 14-DEC-1982 08:19 when i sent a colleague an
email in which i described a dream from the night before. at that
time i rarely dreamed, or at least, did not remember dreaming
when i woke. on that morning i did. a few days later i sent
email with a longer dream in it. it seemed to me that this was a
handy way of keeping dreams in a machine readable format which i
could eventually use for an analysis of sorts. the email also
would put a detailed time stamp on the data. i began sending
myself emails with dream contents whenever i could remember them.
i have now 369 dreams in these files, containing 40995 lines of
text. there is about a 9 year gap from 1985 until 1994 in which i
have very few dreams. i recall writing dreams during that time,
but apparently i lost them at some time, probably in a hard disk
crash. i may eventually recover some as i have crates full of old
storage disks around, or those missing dreams may be lost forever.
the early part of the dream logs were written in emailers on time
sharing computers using a terminal that i kept by my bedside. the
time stamps for those come at the end of the writing sessions,
when i pressed the send button. the later dreams were written in
word processors on microcomputers that i kept beside my bed.
those time stamps are written as the first data in the file before
i start with the dream content. that is the major systematic
change in the temporal aspects of the data collection. the last
dream in the log files is dated 10 sep 2001 06:43.
here is how my dreaming happens in relation to the phases of the
moon.
Moon Phase of Dreams
0 new moon : 6:******
1 :15:***************
2 :14:**************
3 :16:****************
4 waxing crescent :14:**************
5 :12:************
6 :10:**********
7 first quarter : 8:********
8 :15:***************
9 :16:****************
10 :17:*****************
11 waxing gibbous :12:************
12 :11:***********
13 :14:**************
14 : 8:********
15 full moon :15:***************
16 :10:**********
17 :12:************
18 waning gibbous :14:**************
19 : 9:*********
20 :11:***********
21 :15:***************
22 last quarter :16:****************
23 :11:***********
24 :13:*************
25 : 6:******
26 waning crescent :15:***************
27 :11:***********
28 : 6:******
29 new moon :17:*****************
i see no obvious pattern here, hence i conclude that i have no
evidence of a lunar or menstrual cycle. the synodic cycle of the
moon is 29.530588861 days in length during the two decades of this
data collection. my calculations, being simplistic in nature,
vary by a few hours compared to references i can find on the
internet, but my data is mainly accurate to the day i wrote the
dreams, not the hour. the phases of the moon within the cycle are
also rounded off in the graph above. the full moon happens on day
14.77, which i have plotted as 15 here. there are more accurate
moon phase algorithms which agree to the minute, but since the
method of dream recording does not give that level of percision,
day by day analysis ought to suffice.
since i built the code to do this level of temporal analysis, it
is of no extra difficulty to plot other time cycles, like day of
the week.
Week Day of Dreams
0 monday :57:****************************
1 tuesday :63:*******************************
2 wednesday :40:********************
3 thursday :55:**************************
4 friday :54:***************************
5 saturday :38:*******************
6 sunday :62:*******************************
i was surprised that there is no pattern here which favors
weekends, as i believe i have more time on those days to record
dreams than on days when i have to rush off to class.
Hour of Day for Dream Writing
0 : 5:**
1 : 3:*
2 : 5:**
3 :11:*****
4 :13:******
5 :24:************
6 :56:****************************
7 :30:***************
8 :45:**********************
9 :58:*****************************
10 :52:**************************
11 :23:***********
12 :17:********
13 : 5:**
14 : 2:*
15 : 3:*
16 : 1:
17 : 1:
18 : 1:
19 : 0:
20 : 0:
21 : 2:*
22 : 0:
23 : 2:*
this data is at the edge of resolution for this kind of record
keeping. we do not know when during the night the dreams actually
happened, but at least i can know about when i was typing them in.
i have been aware for some time that my productive dream cycles
seem to happen between 06:00 and 09:30 in the morning. i often
work until 03:00 sometimes 04:00 which is my natural time for
doing my most creative work. i am often amazed at the content of
my dreams which are typed in as fast as i can during the worst
time of the day for my mental operations. if i do not get them in
quickly, they fade quickly my otherwise poor dream memory. often
i do not hardly recall what i have written in the morning until i
get home from work that evening and have time to actually read
them. i sometimes take naps in the late afternoon, but rarely if
ever recall a dream from them.
i suppose i should analyze these dream logs by months to see if
there are seasonal effects. i doubt it by looking at the sequence
of dream titles. the next step i suppose will be to perform a
lexical analysis of the dream contents. maybe the really good
dreams actually happen in some occult rhythm that i am unaware of.
.
stankuli@etherways.com
=== qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit
| | who not is today, tomorrow less suitable will be
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Terror Chief Feared That Dreamers
Would Expose His Plot
By Robert Moss
2001
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While in our society media and government people may have a hard
time understanding that we dream the future and can derive vitally
important messages from precognitive and early warning dreams,
Osama bin Laden knew better. One of the most fascinating and
chilling stories of 9-11 to emerge since the terror attacks is
that the man behind the mass murders feared that dreamers would
expose his plot before it was carried out.
On December 13, 2001 the Pentagon released a videotape in which
Osama bin Laden and some of his followers discussed the 9-11
attacks on the United States with a visiting shaikh, believed to
be an extremist Saudi cleric. The tape was said to have been made
in Kandahar on November 5, 2001. Though the quality of the
recording was poor, many independent analysts agreed that the tape
was probably genuine and that the English translation prepared by
George Michaels and Dr Kassem Wahba of Johns Hopkins University
was substantially accurate.
The video segments in which Osama bin Laden boasted of how he had
orchestrated the 9-11 terror attacks generated headlines
throughout the world media. The media almost completely ignored
the fact that about half of the video discussion is about dreams
and visions. Bin Laden and the visiting shaikh talk about a series
of dreams predating 9-11 in which members of the terror support
network who were not privy to the details of the plot foresaw,
sometimes with considerable accuracy, what was going to take
place.
Bin Laden tells his guest that a man called Abu al-Hasan told him
"a year ago":
I saw in a dream we were playing a soccer game against the
Americans. When our team showed up on the field, they were all
pilots! So I wondered if that was as soccer game or a pilot game?
Our players were pilots.
Bin Laden specified that the dreamer knew nothing about the 9-11
operation until he heard it on the news. "He said the game went on
and we defeated them. That was a good omen for us."
One of Bin Laden's followers is next heard saying off-camera:
Abd al-Rahman said he saw a vision before the operation. A plane
crashed into a building. He knew nothing about it.
The shaikh contributes another dream or vision, from one of the
"religious people" who had come to Afghanistan to support the
cause:
I saw a vision, I was in a huge plane, long and wide. I was
carrying it on my shoulders and I walked from the road to the
desert for half a kilometer. I was dragging the plane.
This dream may have anticipated the burden the kamikaze skyjackers
would impose on the people of Afghanistan, and their own
networks?
The shaikh quotes another man who told him that he "saw" in 2000
"people who left for jihad and they found themselves in New
York in Washington and New York". There was something about a
plane crashing into a building that was not understood until 9-11.
I have another man my god he said and swore by Allah that his
wife had seen the incident a week earlier. She had seen the plane
crashing into a building.
Osama Bin Laden intervenes at this point to discuss operational
security. He explains that the men tasked with the 9-11 attacks
were kept in the dark about the specifics of the operation until
the last moment. "All they knew was that they had a martyrdom
operation We did not reveal the operation to them until they are
there and just before they boarded the planes."
Someone in the group asks Bin Laden to tell the dream of one Abu
Da'ud. He responds:
We were at the camp of one of the brother's guards in Kandahar He
came close and told me that he saw, in a dream, a tall building in
America, and in the same dream he saw Mukhtar teaching them how to
play karate.
Next Bin Laden makes an extraordinary revelation:
At that point, I was worried that maybe the secret would be
revealed if everyone starts seeing it in their dream. So I closed
the subject. I told him if he sees another dream, not to tell
anybody, because people would be upset with him.
It is interesting to speculate whether the dreams discussed in the
bin Laden tape are the result of telepathy (tuning in to the
toughts of others) or precognition (foreknowledge of a future
event). Either way, it is fascinating that bin Laden recognized
that dreamers had the power to expose his evil designs.
We know now that many people around the world were dreaming of the
horror of 9-11 before it took place. I have posted just a few of
the hundreds of apparently precognitive dream reports I have
collected some from my own journals at this website. Will we
learn how to screen and act on dream warnings before future
disasters?
Our society urgently needs better education on all of this, and
it is not going to come from the old fuddy-duddy approaches to
dream interpretation that consist of chattering about symbols in
terms of personal psychology and hand-me-down systems. We need to
teach people the core techniques explained in Conscious Dreaming
and Dreaming True: how to run a reality check on their dreams to
identify possible messages about the future, how to go back inside
their dreams (through the dream reentry technique) to clarify
those messages, and how to create a safe space to share dreams and
act on their guidance. In short, we need to help a lot more
people discover how to dream true. [12/17/01]
2001 Robert Moss. All rights reserved.
www.mossdreams.com
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Transcript of Usama bin Laden Videotape
Released by
US State Department/Department of Defense
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The transcript was released initially by DoD and then re-released
by State. Included below is the section about dreams. For the full
transcript please see:
(PDF)
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/d20011213ubl.pdf
(HTML)
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/2001/index.cfm?docid=6874
(Press Release)
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/b12132001_bt630-01.html
Washington, DC
December 13, 2001
(Transcript and annotations independently prepared by George
Michael, translator, Diplomatic Language Services; and Dr. Kassem
M. Wahba, Arabic language program coordinator, School of Advanced
International Studies, Johns Hopkins University. They collaborated
on their translation and compared it with translations done by the
U.S. government for consistency. There were no inconsistencies in
the translations.)
In mid-November, Usama Bin Laden spoke to a room of supporters,
possibly in Qandahar, Afghanistan. These comments were video taped
with the knowledge of Bin Laden and all present.
Note: The tape is approximately one hour long and contains three
different segments: an original taping of a visit by some people
to the site of the downed U.S. helicopter in Ghazni province
(approximately 12 minutes long); and two segments documenting a
courtesy visit by Bin Laden and his lieutenants to an unidentified
Shaykh, who appears crippled from the waist down. The visit
apparently takes place at a guesthouse in Qandahar. The sequence
of the events is reversed on the tape the end of his visit is in
the beginning of the tape with the helicopter site visit in the
middle and the start of the Usama bin Laden visit beginning
approximately 39 minutes into the tape. The tape is transcribed
below according to the proper sequence of events.
Due to the quality of the original tape, it is NOT a verbatim
transcript of every word spoken during the meeting, but does
convey the messages and information flow.
EDITOR'S NOTE: 39 minutes into tape, first segment of the bin
Laden meeting, begins after footage of helicopter site visit
Second segment of Bin Laden's visit, shows up at the front of the
tape
UBL: Abdallah Azzam, Allah bless his soul, told me not to record
anything (...inaudible...) so I thought that was a good omen, and
Allah will bless us (...inaudible...). Abu-Al-Hasan Al-((Masri)),
who appeared on Al-Jazeera TV a couple of days ago and addressed
the Americans saying: "If you are true men, come down here and
face us."
(...inaudible...) He told me a year ago: "I saw in a dream, we
were playing a soccer game against the Americans. When our team
showed up in the field, they were all pilots!" He said: "So I
wondered if that was a soccer game or a pilot game? Our players
were pilots."
He (Abu-Al-Hasan) didn't know anything about the operation until
he heard it on the radio. He said the game went on and we defeated
them. That was a good omen for us.
Shaykh: May Allah be blessed.
Unidentified Man Off Camera: Abd Al Rahman Al-(Ghamri) said he saw
a vision, before the operation, a plane crashed into a tall
building. He knew nothing about it.
Shaykh: May Allah be blessed!
Sulayman ((Abu Guaith)): I was sitting with the Shaykh in a room,
then I left to go to another room where there was a TV set. The TV
broadcasted the big event. The scene was showing an Egyptian
family sitting in their living room, they exploded with joy. Do
you know when there is a soccer game and your team wins, it was
the same expression of joy. There was a subtitle that read: "In
revenge for the children of Al Aqsa', Usama Bin Ladin executes an
operation against America." So I went back to the Shaykh (meaning
UBL) who was sitting in a room with 50 to 60 people. I tried to
tell him about what I saw, but he made gesture with his hands,
meaning: "I know, I know "
UBL: He did not know about the operation. Not everybody knew
(...inaudible...). Muhammad ((Atta)) from the Egyptian family
(meaning the Al Qa'ida Egyptian group), was in charge of the
group.
Shaykh: A plane crashing into a tall building was out of anyone's
imagination. This was a great job. He was one of the pious men in
the organization. He became a martyr. Allah bless his soul.
Shaykh (Referring to dreams and visions): The plane that he saw
crashing into the building was seen before by more than one
person. One of the good religious people has left everything and
come here. He told me, "I saw a vision, I was in a huge plane,
long and wide. I was carrying it on my shoulders and I walked from
the road to the desert for half a kilometer. I was dragging the
plane." I listened to him and I prayed to Allah to help him.
Another person told me that last year he saw, but I didn't
understand and I told him I don't understand. He said, "I saw
people who left for jihad...and they found themselves in New
York...in Washington and New York." I said, "What is this?" He
told me the plane hit the building. That was last year. We haven't
thought much about it.
But, when the incidents happened he came to me and said, "Did you
see...this is strange."
I have another man...my god...he said and swore by Allah that his
wife had seen the incident a week earlier. She saw the plane
crashing into a building...that was unbelievable, my god.
UBL: The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was
that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to
go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation,
not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal
the operation to them until they are there and just before they
boarded the planes.
UBL: (...inaudible...) then he said: Those who were trained to fly
didn't know the others. One group of people did not know the other
group. (...inaudible...)
(Someone in the crowd asks UBL to tell the Shaykh about the dream
of ((Abu-Da'ud)).
UBL: We were at a camp of one of the brother's guards in Qandahar.
This brother belonged to the majority of the group. He came close
and told me that he saw, in a dream, a tall building in America,
and in the same dream he saw Mukhtar teaching them how to play
karate. At that point, I was worried that maybe the secret would
be revealed if everyone starts seeing it in their dream. So I
closed the subject. I told him if he sees another dream, not to
tell anybody, because people will be upset with him.
(Another person's voice can be heard recounting his dream about
two planes hitting a big building).
UBL: They were overjoyed when the first plane hit the building, so
I said to them: be patient.
UBL: The difference between the first and the second plane hitting
the towers was twenty minutes. And the difference between the
first plane and the plane that hit the Pentagon was one hour.
Shaykh: They (the Americans) were terrified thinking there was a
coup.
[Note: Ayman Al-Zawahri says first he commended UBL's awareness of
what the media is saying. Then he says it was the first time for
them (Americans) to feel danger coming at them.]
UBL (reciting a poem):
I witness that against the sharp blade
They always faced difficulties and stood together...
When the darkness comes upon us and we are bit by a
Sharp tooth, I say...
"Our homes are flooded with blood and the tyrant
Is freely wandering in our homes"...
And from the battlefield vanished
The brightness of swords and the horses...
And over weeping sounds now
We hear the beats of drums and rhythm
They are storming his forts
And shouting: "We will not stop our raids
Until you free our lands"...
Bin Laden visit footage complete. Footage of the visit to the
helicopter site follows the poem.
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This is your Dream
on SUPPLEMENTS
DARE to your Enhance your Lucid Dreaming:
Part 1: The Holy Grail of the Dreamphiles
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Just Say Nicoderm!
After prolonged denial and unabashed procrastination, I finally
quit smoking for good in September 2001. I am pleased to say that
I am a non-smoker and also happy to report that I have discovered
some insight along the way. While using the nicotine patch to curb
the urge, I noticed some remarkable effects upon my dreaming.
While wearing the patch to bed, my dreaming was extremely
intensified.
Normally, I have decent recall if I awaken gently and allow the
dream fragments to surface and form a recollection of the previous
night's adventures. On average, I remember two or three dreams per
night with about ten to twenty of minutes of remembered time in
the dreaming realm. While wearing the patch, I was remembering
seven, eight and nine dreams with literally hours worth of elapsed
experience. The entire night was experienced as one super long
dream sequence with changing plotlines, scenes and characters. My
recall was so complete that it literally felt as if I had been
conscious the whole night. However, the dreams were not lucid
ones. They were just massively intensified couple with some
massively enhanced recall.
After experiencing this dreaming turbo-boost, I tried to make
sense of how this could be happening. More importantly, I wanted
to find a way to recreate these effects without becoming dependent
on a nicotine patch. Aside from being expensive at thirty-seven
dollars for a box of fourteen patches with twenty-one milligram
potency, nicotine like caffeine is not a vitamin. It is a drug
that should not be regularly added to your system. By finding some
kind of cause and effect, I hoped to find a more natural
substitute. My guess was that the dreaming process was being
energized by the added stimulation of nicotine. This stimulatory
effect increases the circulation and this boost may serve as a
catalyst for dream enhancement.
Desperately Seeking Stimulants?
Upon further examination, this theory began to make even more
sense. I have heard from people who take extracts of cayenne
pepper before bed to intensify their dreams. Along the same lines,
a friend of mine swears that eating at Outback Steakhouse is the
key to having powerfully vivid dreams. Having a large, spicy meal
before bed could create the same effect but on a smaller scale. I
have heard from dreamers who report that other stimulants like
ginseng and caffeine also boost the dreaming process. Personally,
I have tried taking supplements of all of these with little
noticeable changes in my dreams. So why does the nicotine give
such a turbo-dream boost?
The secret may be hiding in the method of transmission used by the
patch. It is time-released delivering a constant release of the
stimulant. When taking supplements, I had always ingested them
before bed so my body may have absorbed the active ingredients too
early. Since most dreams occur after several hours of sleep and
dreaming is most prominent during the early morning hours, this
delay between ingestion and actual dream action could have
hindered the results from my previous experiments. It would make
more sense to time the ingestion to be in sync with the target
dreaming time after several hours or early morning. Ideally, a
time-released supplement would do the trick, but believe it or not
I could not find a extract of cayenne pepper in time-release form.
Searching for the Holy Grail - The Entire Universe in a Grain of
Salt?
Maybe I should write the manufacturer about my needs and my
dilemma. Seriously though, if there is a way to boost my dreaming
even to a fraction of the intensity that I experienced wearing the
patch, I would be ready to try just about anything. I would eat
salted bananas if that were required. Don't laugh! I tried it
after reading an excellent book, "The Dreaming Universe" by Fred
Alan Wolfe. In this book, the author points out that potassium and
sodium play crucial chemical roles in the dreaming process. Not
one to overlook any possible advantages, I salted up a banana that
night and munched it down. I grimaced on the outside but was
inwardly excited as I eagerly anticipated some nocturnal magic.
After taking my dream medicine, I fell asleep and had a incredibly
intense lucid dream. I woke up filled with excitement even more
than I would after any lucid dream. I thought I had found the Holy
Grail of lucid dreaming! Who would have known it was salted
bananas? Finally the key to open access to the lucid dreaming
realm Unfortunately, four days and four salted banana nights
later, I could not repeat the initial magic. I was forced to chalk
it up to a placebo effect, but in any case, it was still good for
one lucid dream. While this was an amusing digression, I hope, it
actually ties back in with the previous concept of target timing.
I had tested this salted banana idea before going to bed. So once
again, the ingestion was not targeted to coincide with most active
dreaming time. As a result, it may be grounds for some further
testing. Pass the salt, would you?
Oops, I Could Have Had a B-6?
Let's get back to the matter at hand, the prospect of enhancing
the dreaming process. I believe that we can enhance our dreams by
adding the right ingredients. If you barely have any gas in your
car, you cannot expect it to travel cross-country. However, with a
full tank you may actually arrive wherever you are intended to go.
Along the same lines, the dreaming process may be augmented with
certain vitamins, minerals and other supplements. Taking some
dream supplements may be a smart way to enhance the dreaming
process and maybe even maximize the odds of successfully inducing
a lucid dream. Normally, I take several nightly supplements for
dream enhancement. I usually take a Lecithin supplement (great
source of choline), some B vitamins (B-6, B-12, and B-Complex),
potassium (occasionally) and recently I have added some Blue /
Green Algae for good measure.
I previously reported on the effects I experienced while taking
Blue / Green Algae supplements. For more information on this
experiment, you can check out the Blue / Green Algae article in
the archives. In light of the turbo dreaming effects I experienced
while wearing the nicotine patch, I am going back to the bedroom
laboratory to test a wide variety of supplements in hopes of
finding the perfect combination of natural dreaming supplements.
The list of would-be helpers on the testing block will include
combinations of the following: Ginseng, Kava Kava, Cayenne Pepper,
Melatonin, St.John's Wort and Calea Zacatechichi (a dreaming
herb). If you know of any other supplements that you would like to
test, please feel free to email me and I will add it to the list.
Lucid Dreaming Minds Want to Know!
I will set up some interactive forms at The Dream Initiative,
http://come.to/dreamresearch, to make this a group project.
Everyone is invited to get involved. Grab your disposable income,
even if it is the money from your weekly bottle returns, and head
out to the health food store because there is going to be a
supplement-testing party tonight. It will last to the wee morning
hours so pop a few caps, put on your dreaming caps and report back
to me with your results. I will set up a page at the TDI site to
handle the feedback and reports. You can email me or use the forms
to report your results or lack thereof. Remember that no
noticeable results should still be reported as such! We need to
hear all the feedback we can gather, whether it is good, bad or
indifferent. We are interested in developing a well-rounded
experiential database. As the experiences are reported and
collected, I will post the feedback and results at the site so we
all can learn from this supplemental experimentation. If you do
not want your name listed publicly at the TDI site or anywhere
else, please be sure to mark "anonymous" on your form or let it be
clearly known in your emails.
Bring me your lucid enlightened masses! This is your chance to
join in on some light-hearted dreaming research. Your experiences
are valuable so please do share them and get involved. If you know
of anyone interested in participating, please pass along this
information and forward our open invitation to get involved. We
are looking for a few good dreamers. Are you interested? If so,
just check out the site, and even if you are not interested in
direct involvement, we will not hold it against you. Feel free to
check out the reports and learn from the other dreamers who
eagerly salt their bananas with a smile.
Bon Apetit!
BEst of EVERYTHING!
Marc VanDeKeere
iam@consciousdreaming.com
COMING SOON: This is your Dream on Supplements- Part 2:
This follow-up article will methodically outline my results (and
possibly yours, if you get involved) with a number of supplements.
This project will be an ongoing group experiment, so you can jump
in at any time. Be sure to check the TDI site in the future as we
gather some information.
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New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1 09/29/2000
This issue includes volume # 337 - # 360
Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.
This section is edited by Richard Wilkerson and the DreamEditor, a
software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream
interpretation and journaling software "Alchera".
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Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that
means we do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 310
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 337
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: dead brother and red wine
From: Gail <growlgirl2001
2. Smoking
From: Anonymous
3. legs
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 07:56:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Gail <growlgirl2001
Subject: Re: dead brother and red wine
Dear mara, I am new to group, and am not sure I have any sense of
your dream, yet if it were my dream I might feel it had to do with
my brothers'drinking somehow, and my brother does drink yet I have
had no like dreams. I did have a dream about a friend who loves
animals and she and her sister were in a car with their favorite
dead? dog and then came back to her house and I sat there with
them with 2 little boys with other dogs going in andout of doors
in the room. When we were in the lcar there seemes to be no doors
in the car!!! ----------------------------------------------
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: purchasing shoes
From: mara f <maramflynn
2. 9-11
From: Anonymous
3. Five Dogs
From: Anonymous
4. this is hard
From: Anonymous
5. really cute guy
From: Anonymous
6. sleepless nights
From: Anonymous
7. Snakes
From: Anonymous
8. Re: dead brother and red wine
From: "Heather Rich" <hlr71
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 04:25:56 -0800 (PST)
From: mara f <maramflynn
Subject: Re: purchasing shoes
Hi,
I would like to ask some questions about this dream:
Could you please specify the gender of the two people involved? Is
your colleague also a friend you would normally go shopping? How
did you feel toward your friend? Did you go during a break from
work? At what time and day were you purchasing the shoes? What
kind of shoes were you purchasing? Were they shoes you would
normally buy? For whom were you buying the shoes? Where you in a
store? Was there a person helping you? How did you feel about
this person? Were you paying the shoes? How much? In which
currency? Did you feel the price was right for the purchase? Were
you touching money, credit card, check, other?
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Waiting For Some Replys...
Deleted - not about dreams
2. Opps Baby
From: Anonymous
3. Lasagna
From: Anonymous
4. EX GIRLFRIEDND IN ITALY
From: Anonymous
5. smoking
From: Anonymous
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:57:02 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Opps Baby
dream_title: Opps Baby
dream_date: 11-25-2001
dreamer_name: Dixie
dream_text: I had a baby, although I hadnt known I was pregnant.
The baby was a happy baby, didn't cry at all. But I had nothing
for the baby Carseat,crib, swing) b/c I hadnt known I was
pregnant. I was trying to sanatize a bottle to make for her (i
think it was a girl) but my mother kept taking the water off of
the stove.
dream_comments: It was really strange b/c my husand and I have
been trying to get pregnant for about a year now.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:58:23 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Lasagna
dream_title: Lasagna
dream_date: repeating
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: Im sleeping and all of a sudden I hear noises down the
hall and wake up .. i walk down the hall and as I walk I see
different plates if Italian foods, such as chicken parmigiana,
penne alla vodka, spaghetti, etc. The closer I get to my parents
room at the end of the hall, the louder the noises get. By the
time I reach my parents door and open it, I get sucked into the
room and turn into Lasagna.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:57:46 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: EX GIRLFRIEDND IN ITALY
dream_title: EX GIRLFRIEDND IN ITALY
dream_date: 22ND NOVEMEMBER 2001
dreamer_name: SIANJOAN
dream_text: I was in a house which looked french with Big bay
window outside there was lots of colors, things, people the
atmosphere was one of happiness and busy lifestyle.The sun was
sunny bright it felt it was in Italy. The house i was in was quite
empty with bare floors, with two room on the top floor i saw a
curly stair-case. i single single bed in one room with a open door
no picture on the wall, everything was brown. but with good
lighting so it wasn't to dark. there was a white bath in the hall
way which seemed very bright against the brown walls. the taps
were golden and the water which filled it was clear but very hot
stream was coming off it. Inside the house there was myself and my
ex girlfriend we were talking about getting back together.it felt
as if we both knew the house and lived there together. Even though
we looked the same i felt as if we were much older in ourselves.My
ex-girlfriend Lucy had a big smile on her face As she told me she
was moving to dublin next year when i return to Liverpool to
finish my degree. Liverpool is where we both went to university
and where she lives now. Then Lucy climbed into bath but the water
did full up more but emptied more. Then we were both outside a
welsh museum wearing coated and scafs i felt cold. we were
surrounded my people i thought i recognized. we kissed each other
on the museum steps then i woke up.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:55:12 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: smoking
dream_title: smoking
dream_date: november 25, 2001
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: i was shopping with my friend amanda and my sister
angela. the walls were white and almost everything was white.
then manda pulled out some cigarettes and we were smoking through
the whole store. then she pulled out a long joint probably about
a foot long and i smoked almost the whole thing in one breathe.
i could feel the smoke in my lungs and it felt so good. manda
got mad at me for smoking the whole thing and not sharing it with
her. suddenly we were at her house and the walls were white with
baby pink curtains. we went back to the mall and i bought a shirt
that was blueish-green.
dream_comments: i don't smoke or drink but my friend does when
offered. she's not addicted.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 340
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: this is hard
From: aubree <aubreemarie
2. Re: for 11/27
From: Heratheta
3. MORE THEN FRIENDS
From: Anonymous
4. Pregnant
From: Anonymous
5. : ANGELS
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:37:46 -0800 (PST)
From: aubree <aubreemarie
Subject: Re: this is hard
I think it is more of a fear that your boyfriend will leave you
for a woman and not necessarily a dream that will come true. I
have a few dreams about school now and then. You may have had a
hard time in school and have certain fears related to school and
that may be why your dream takes place there too.
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. unsubscribe
From: aubree <aubreemarie
2. School Camp Colourblindness
From: Anonymous
3. The Bending Tower/The Albino Seal
From: Anonymous
4. The end of August '01
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:52:10 -0800 (PST)
From: aubree <aubreemarie
Subject: unsubscribe
--- Heratheta@aol.com wrote: > see
www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ >
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Attacked by a White Tiger
From: Anonymous
2. The accident
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:35:37 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Attacked by a White Tiger
dream_title: Attacked by a White Tiger
dream_date: 11/26/01
dreamer_name: paradoxx
dream_text: I was attacked by a large white tiger who bit down on
my left leg , i struggled and began to scream as the tiger
continued to devour me. The incident happened somewhere indoors.
I am 47 and rarely dream in such vivid detail and in color. Any
meaning?
dream_comments: scared the dickens out of me . was shaken for
several sleepless hours afterwards
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:35:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The accident
dream_title: The accident
dream_date: 29/11/01
dreamer_name: Brenda
dream_text: I was driving in a car (not mine)it was very sunny and
extremely hot. I turned off the road and there was just snow
everywhere. Cars were covered in snow and trying to manouevre
their way along a sharp corner of a highway. I was in the end
lane and another vehicle pushed me against the barrier. The
driver of this other vehicle was an old lady and somehow I was
able to touch her on her shoulder and I was yelling at her to
stop because I was about to go over the edge. The other vehicle
then became a mini-bus and sped past me at which time I noticed a
pregnant women in front of the mini-bus. The pregnant woman ran
ahead of the bus, but the driver (not the old lady anymore - a
younger lady now)did not stop. Suddenly the road ended in a
concrete wall and the pregnant woman was pushed against it. I
shouted at the woman to reverse the mini-bus and the pregnant
woman just lay there with blood pouring out everywhere.
dream_comments: It might have something to do with the fact that I
have been going for numerous (and some painful) fertility tests.
Everything has been normal so far, but I do have 1 more
progesterone test left, which will be done on 5/12/01.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 343
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. dream girl
From: Anonymous
2. Fleeing
From: Anonymous
3. Dead Friend
From: Anonymous
4. Death is calling and now tells who will die next?
From: Anonymous
5. Re: Death is calling and now tells who will die next?
From: mara f <maramflynn
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:17:18 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: dream girl
dream_date: 11/28/01
dreamer_name: dream girl
dream_text: I had a dream that I was peeing and then all of a
sudden my bladder fell into the toilet and I didn't know what to
do I tried to pick it up to wash it off but it fell out of my
hands, then my kidneys fell out and they had green flowers on
them. Then I called a doctor. And that was the end of my dream.
But there was never any blood though so I thought it was so
weird. Does anyone know what that dream means?
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:34:04 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Fleeing
dream_title: Fleeing
dream_date: 09/08/01
dreamer_name: Chant
dream_text: My dream started out with me in an arab country. In my
dream the arab country bordered with England. It was dusk, a
group of peoples and myself, all covered in long robes and long
scarves over our heads were following leaders through a rocky
pathway in an escape. We were all trying to be quiet, and moving
as quickly as possible into the night.
After a long journey we were led to a castle that was overgrown by
vines etc. From the outside it appeared abandoned. The leaders of
the group told us we were on the outskirts of England and that
this is where we would be staying. That noone would think to find
us there.
People began disbursed to different areas looking around. As I
walked through a hallway I came upon a group of people standing
by a doorway looking in. One of the men who led the group through
the night was speaking and explaining what the room and castle
were about.
This room in particular had 3 huge iron plates on the walls with
engraving on them. Each one on a separate wall, the 4th wall
being the wall with the door. As I looked and listened, he
explained that the king who originally built the castle had 3
sons. As each child reached the age of 12, they died
mysteriously. All 3 sons died at the age of 12.
My dream then switched and I found myself in a long narrow
hallway. As I passed one of the rooms walking, I saw a man
attempting to rape one of the arab women. I noticed in her hand
was a small scalpal like knife. There was another woman with her
backed up against a wall. When the man looked down for a moment,
she took the knife and cut her own face, engraving a symbol onto
her face. When the man looked up and saw that he was shocked, and
at that precise moment she took the knife and slit his throat.
Then I found myself back in the hallway again and at the end of it
saw a table with freshly made bread on it. While walking towards
it somehow into my mind came the knowledge that there was
something in the castle that was being sought after, something
valuable.
I went to the table and started to cut piece of the bread. I was
hungry from the journey. While in the middle of cutting the bread
I felt the knife hit something hard. Right as that happened I
heard the cry of a baby and the sound of men talking muffled. I
knew the men were looking for whatever the valuable thing was. I
felt I had just found it in the bread but didn't take the time to
look any closer. I put in under my robes and ran looking for the
child whose cry I heard.
I found a baby boy about 6 mo old, laying in the middle of a room.
He was filthy from dirt and wet cloth diapers. He was abandoned.
I picked him up and went in search of a bathroom or place to wash
him off.
I ended up finding a huge kitchen. The room was shaped like a U.
There were several sinks but all were filled with food. The room
was spotless and the food was all fresh, vegetables, fresh
breads, etc. I walked around to the other end of the U and in the
corner found one lone empty sink right against the back wall.
I place the baby in it and turned on the water, starting to clean
him up. While I was doing that the solid walls switched to a
curtained wall then to an open wall. In the room next to this
kitchen that opened up, were lots of peoples laying, sleeping in
cots, the floor etc.
In one cot there was a man and woman. Her back was turned to me at
first. I saw her shifting positions to turn around. In doing so
she reached her hand out to me. I took her hand in mind and
instantly noticed the age of her hand, she was an old lady. When
she turned to look at me and push the scarf away from her face,
she had the face of my real life godmother, but yet was a
stranger to me, just similar in looks.
My gaze returned to her hand that was being held in my left hand,
then to that of the baby's hand held in my right hand, and my own
in the middle. I was thinking how old, how young, and then of my
own age and hand. I felt a sense of alarm and as this sense came
over me, my last thought was. What does this mean...and I
suddenly woke up.
dream_comments: When I woke up from this dream. I woke up with the
same sense that came over me, the sense of alarm. This dream
bothered me intensely and I called my own mother to relate to her
my dream. In doing so told her, I felt something terrible is
going to happen and my dream is trying to tell me. This is not
the first of this kind of dreaming, a dream I feel is trying to
forewarn me of something. I do not get that feeling with every
dream just certain ones.
I do not know if my dream had any relations to the 911 events, but
as they unfolded chills came over me, with each unfolding part.
I had never before dreamt of being in an arab country or England.
I was baffled by that when I woke up. I could not understand why
on earth I would dream of that and in talking with my mom told
her that too.
This has been a dream that haunts my waking hours and if anyone
has insight to interpreting or commenting I sure would love to
hear it. I feel like there is a lot of symbolic type things in
this dream I just don't know what it means.
Chant
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:34:32 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dead Friend
dream_title: Dead Friend
dream_date: can't remember date
dreamer_name: Chant
dream_text: This dream took place in a real place and with a real
person from my life. The place was a beach that was close to my
home. The person was a person with whom I had grown up with all
my life, and had died in a motorcycle accident when I was 17. I
had not thought or dreamt of him in over 20 plus years.
Yet on this night I dreamt of him. In my dream, I was walking on
the beach. Everything looked the same as it does in real life. I
was walking along the shoreline and saw this man in the distance
walking towards me. As he got closer I recognized him. In my
dream I knew he was dead and asked him what he was doing there.
He said he came to see me. We walked and talked for a short time.
We came upon a part of the beach in which a road runs parallel to
the shoreline same as it does in real life. However the only
difference in the dream was the sand that is normally up to the
road was washed away creating a space under the road. My friend
went under that space and lied down. I asked him what he was
doing. He answered lying down. At this point I also asked him
because I had noticed the only difference in his appearance was
the color of his eyes. In real life they were black but in my
dream they were a starling blue. When I asked about the color of
his eyes, he told me he had to go with a sad smile. I asked will
I see him again. He said yes. I asked when. He said in time. At
that moment I woke up in a panick.
dream_comments: When I woke up from this dream I was still
panicking I bolted to the phone and called my mother asking her
if everyone was ok. She said yes. I told her somebody is dying
something is wrong. I don't know why I thought but that is what
automatically came to my mind. She asked me why I said that I
told her about my dream. She told me, I was just having a
nightmare but I was insistant in telling her no, somebody is hurt
they are dying and they have blue eyes. While in the middle of
this phone conversation with my mother, an ambulance went past my
house with it's sirens blaring. I told my mother see, someone is
hurt. My mom assured me she would try to find out what was going
on with the ambulance. About an hour later, she called me back
and told me, on the very same beach I had dreamt about a young
man died that morning. He was a surfer, got himself tangled by a
buoy, and with the sea being rough couldn't get untangled and
drowned.
He was blond haired and blue eyed. Even though there was nothing
in particular that my friend in my dream did or say to make me
think someone was being hurt. It was the fact he appeared after
so many years and his eyes being the wrong color that led me to
thinking so within the end of the dream. I was very disheartened
by this dream, and wish, even though I know there was really no
way for me to do so, that I had awakened earlier. This is
another dream that haunted me for a long period after dreaming it.
Whether or not it was meant to be associated with the death of the
young man that day, that is how I felt it to be.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:49:15 -0800
Subject: Death is calling and now tells who will die next?
dream_title: Death is calling and now tells who will die next?
dream_date: Nov 11 & Nov 28, 2001
dreamer_name: Sweetum
dream_text: The first dream was the night I had my minor car
accident in real life. In my dream the car accident must have
already happened because all I remember is sitting on the couch
and the phone ringing. It was a lady at a Physiotherapy clinic
that wanted me to come to her clinic (apparently in my dream this
type of business made a lot of money off of people that were hurt
in accidents). I had said to this lady very kindly that "I'm
sorry, I already found a clinic that I will be going to". She than
said "Crystal", I said "yes", there was a pause and then "Your
going to die!" I immedialtely hung the phone up and started
crying and then I awoke from my dream. This dream has truly
bothered me and in real life I feel like it's telling me that (I
know this may sound silly to some) I'm going to die. I find
myself paying attention to little things that are happening in
real life, things that would happen normally that I'm thinking
are little messages that something is going to happen and it's
scaring the shit out of me! Now for the second dream that I can't
remember much about. All I remember is someone in my dream
telling me my husbands father is going to be the next one to die!
I woke up shaking and feeling "why am I dreaming of death and
people who are going to die including myself"?
dream_comments: Please help make sense of this. I have tried
myself and I can't seem to understand it.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:21:32 -0800 (PST)
From: mara f <maramflynn
Subject: Re: Death is calling and now tells who will die next?
Hi dreamer, I'm always inclined to think that dreams of death are
in reality dreams of rebirth. We have to die first (or know that
we are going to) in order to be reborn into a more mature and
complete human being. If something major is happening in our life
we are bound to go through the experience and come out renewed.
Somebody may even worn us against the difficulties and dangers.
And for a new evolved woman, she wouldn't need her husband's
paternal support, would she? So that protective side of her
husbands would kind of disappear, die out, as your husband's
father in your dream.
Mara
dream_date: Nov 11 & Nov 28, 2001
dreamer_name: Sweetum
dream_text: The first dream was the night I had my minor car
accident in real life. In my dream the car accident must have
already happened because all I remember is sitting on the couch
and the phone ringing. It was a lady at a Physiotherapy clinic
that wanted me to come to her clinic (apparently in my dream this
type of business made a lot of money off of people that were hurt
in accidents). I had said to this lady very kindly that "I'm
sorry, I already found a clinic that I will be going to". She than
said "Crystal", I said "yes", there was a pause and then "Your
going to die!" I immedialtely hung the phone up and started
crying and then I awoke from my dream. This dream has truly
bothered me and in real life I feel like it's telling me that (I
know this may sound silly to some) I'm going to die. I find
myself paying attention to little things that are happening in
real life, things that would happen normally that I'm thinking
are little messages that something is going to happen and it's
scaring the shit out of me! Now for the second dream that I can't
remember much about. All I remember is someone in my dream
telling me my husbands father is going to be the next one to die!
I woke up shaking and feeling "why am I dreaming of death and
people who are going to die including myself"?
dream_comments: Please help make sense of this. I have tried
myself and I can't seem to understand it.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 344
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. the texas crash
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 08:43:10 -0800
Subject: the texas crash
dream_title: the texas crash
dream_date: ? november, i think
dreamer_name: paddy
dream_text: i remember almost none of it. however, the part that
stands out is that the morning of the recent airplane crash in
texas i had dreamed of an airplane crash taking place, which i
have never done before, (just a helicopter crashing on the night
after sep 11) and then when i heard about the crash that day, it
seemed very much like what had happened in my dream in the
morning, which i dreamed just hours before it happened.
dream_comments: the coincidence just seemed really odd and struck
me as weird.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 345
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. bone transplant
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:24:38 -0800
Subject: bone transplant
dream_title: bone transplant
dream_date: 11/20/01
dreamer_name: angel
dream_text: I had a very weird dream. I am usually able to
interpret my dreams but I don't know what to make of this one!
Here it goes: I had a dream that my bones were rotting in my body
and I needed a whole new skeletal system,during the dream the
person was telling me something and I said "But those are medium
bones! I'm going to weigh 120 Lbs., now! then I was in some store
( I think we were shopping for the bones) and I looked down and
there was a hole in my thigh. Just a hole, like it was going to
fall apart and it was really gross. There wasn't any blood, it
didn't hurt,it was just a hole in my leg! Then I went in for
surgery and my mom gave me stuff to numb me and she put a needle
in my leg, then I fwelt it get numb, then she put four in my hand
like in intervienis and that hurt. Then it eneded......
dream_comments: I have no clue what this dream means! Can anyone
help?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 346
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: 12/4 DREAMS
From: Heratheta
2. Very Hungry
From: Anonymous
3. I wanna talk about my dreams!
From: Elizabeth <proudestmonkey421
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:38:55 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: 12/4 DREAMS
SEE WWW.DREAMGATE.COM./DREAM/DUBETZ/
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:41:11 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Very Hungry
Very Hungry
dream_date: 11/30/01
dreamer_name: *s*
dream_text: i dreamed i was (at one point) very hungry. i wanted
to eat. i was with my family and i had one of each thing we
ordered for the table in my plate- (battered broccoli i remember
as being one of them) and i laid my head down for a bit and when
i came to, someone ate my food. i was irritated.
my parents and i were then in a car. my dad was the driver, mom
was in the passenger seat. my dad told me to look up at the sky.
it was a very interesting sunset: dark blue and very dark orange
right on the horizon. my dad wanted to drive over this bridge
that was falling apart- it almost looked like railroad tracks.
there were chunks missing, rotting beams. i knew if he drove over
it we would go off. i told him not to. he took a left on to the
bridge (it also looked a bit like railroad tracks). i don't even
know how he got that far on the bridge before the car went off. i
drowned. i remember the sound of water after i stopped
struggling, and the calm of breathing it in. my vision was
watery, i saw the sun through the water. i came
up to the top,
aware that i was dead. i went "home", it was a very cute small old
house. a friend of mine was sleeping on the couch, and i had the
impression that she was just finished crying over my death. i
then decided to wash dishes. an older woman came in the house and
she saw me. i was surprised she could see me. she began to mist me
with this stuff in a bottle and said it would help me "pass
along". she had apparently sprayed this stuff onto my thumb at the
crime scene as well, something about my thumb getting ripped off
in the accident (?). she said i had to leave. i was still sorta
washing dishes. "can't i stay?" "no, you have to leave." and i
woke up crying.
dream_comments: i think i understand it, but what do i do with
that information? moving on... how?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:17:02 -0700
From: Elizabeth <proudestmonkey421
Subject: I wanna talk about my dreams!
I wanna talk about my dreams. I'm joining your little group:)!
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Heaven vs Hell
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:10:57 -0800
Subject: Heaven vs Hell
dream_title: Heaven vs Hell
dream_date: not sure
dreamer_name: Shelly
dream_text: Once, I first dreamed that a guy was trying to kill
me. He had long mussed hair, and asked me how I wanted to die.
Then, he came into a room I was in and asked me again. He caried
an armful of knives, and I knew that if I didn't answer he would
just stab me. I wanted to go some quiet way so I said I wanted to
be poisoned. So I was, and when I got to heaven, God was a little
man with a pillow on His head. A group of about five other men
were sitting down on a cloud and I was rejected and sent to Hell.
I was in Hell and saw a sword, but then woke up terrified and
relieved. A few nights later, I dreamed that I died again (I
don't remember how) but that this time I went to Heaven. I was
thrilled that I would get to spend all Eternity there, and that I
would have no more worries. Everything was gold, and people were
just happy and carefree. I saw my aunt in line to be judged, and
she was crying and I hugged her and saw my best friend there too.
Things were unbelievable, indescribably, wonderfully happy. We had
chocolate chips for money, so everyone just ate all their money! I
remember just running freely on the golden clouds, then the odd
part was that everyone gathered around to see a huge floating
blimp. Soon, I woke up astonished that I wasn't actually in
Heaven, and got ready for another normal day.
dream_comments: This dream was so real! It was probably the most
real one I even experienced. My friend told me that the devil
sends us nightmares, and makes us think that we are in Hell. He
isn't afraid to show God but is to show himself. That would
explain why I didn't actually see Satan in my dream. Then, I
think that God might have sent me the other happy dream to sort
of make up for it. That morning I had absolutely no doubt that
there was a Heaven and that I would someday be there. Since then,
my faith in God has strengthened somewhat.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 348
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1.
From: Manfred <ManfredMDahmen
2. Touch
From: Anonymous
3. The Clown that took Him
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:20:51 +0100
From: Manfred <ManfredMDahmen
Subject:
I wish to subscribe!
[This message contained attachments]
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:48:19 -0800
Subject: Touch
dream_title: Touch
dream_date: 12/6/01
dreamer_name: Nicole
dream_text: The dream takes place in a highschool. The school is
dark and vacant, leaving me to believe it is at night. I'm
walking down a long hallway with a friend. I do not know this
peson, but she seems to be very dear to me. I am following and
old woman in th hallway. I get the feeling that this old woman
knows she is being followed, and she wants me to follow her.
Instead of locking the doors leading to the next hallway, the old
lady leaves them open for me and my friend. I go through the last
door with my friend, and see the old lady smiling at me. I reach
for her shoulder. As I'm touching her, I receive a thrilling
sensation throughout my body. I realize that she is an
exceptionally kind person. As the old woman leaves me, I approach
a mother and her child in a room adjacent to the hallway.
The room is completely dark, but the mother and her child can be
clearly seen. The baby girl is in her mother's lap. I walk over
to them and notice the baby is fidgeting. The child does not like
me, and I am fully aware of this in my dream. I pick the child up
and watch the girl squirm around. Touching the girl gives me an
uneasy feeling. I know this girl to be evil, even though she is
only about 18 months. I then, place the young girl down on her
mothers lap and place my right hand on the mothers cheek. I
receive a terrifying feelings of pain. I'm not sure if the mother
is in emotional pain or is terrified of me. I run out of the room
clinging on to the wall of the hallway. My friend is still in the
room with the mother and child.
dream_comments: This dream seems to denote psychic power. By
touching these people, I become aware of their personalities,
their love, their fears etc.
Can these people be me? Am I showing myself through the
characters in my dream?
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:53:08 -0800
Subject: The Clown that took Him
dream_title: The Clown that took Him
dream_date: here and there
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: Ok my mom, her ex boyfriend, his name is Gary, (who
is like a father to me), his son, his name is Kris, and I go to
this Halloween store, I am afraid for some reason, I know that
something bad is going to happen, then all of a sudden a scary
yet normal looking clown comes out, my moms ex boyfriend son
wants a scary costume, Kris told this to the clown and the clown
gave him a pill. I knew the pill was bad and I begged Kris not
to eat it, but my Gary and my mom told me it was going to be ok
and the pill was harmless. So sure enough you took the pill, the
clown gave a evil grin and after Kris ate it, he disappeared out
of thin air. My mom and Gary was sad, including me of corse, and
we went to go to the police. The police went to the store along
with us (theyhad the whole works, like ten police cars, guns,
microphones) but when we got the store that the clown took Kris,
it wasn't there, it was a burned down book store and I knew that
kris was gone for every. Then I wake up.
dream_comments: Ok there is something that you have to know about
me, I hate clowns, (maybe because after this dream, I dont know)
and I am not fond of libraries (I dont know that might help but
its true) when I go to a library I have a freaky feeling like
something bad is going to happen.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 349
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
2. Goddess Words
From: Anonymous
3. Two Phoenixes
From: Anonymous
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:15:34 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Goddess Words
dream_title: Goddess Words
dream_date: 11/12/2001
dreamer_name: Shadow Greentrees
dream_text: In this dream, I was walking in a grove. There were
trees around and grass. I came to this tree and it had a patch
beside it. It was dark-brown and it had symbols/glyphs on it. It
was a site dedicated to the Goddess and I placed a white feather
on it as an offering to Her.
dream_comments: I feel as if the Goddess was talking to me via
this Dream. I feel as if She was speaking to us.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:16:03 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Two Phoenixes
dream_title: Two Phoenixes
dream_date: 6/9/2001
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I saw two phoenixes in the distance. They were
spreading their wings. They were beautiful, all flowing energy. I
tried to respond back to them in kind, spreading my arms wide.
Then, I was standing where they were and they were gone. There
was a large glowing phoenix feather on the ground and I picked it
up.
dream_comments: This dream came a few days before the 9/11
tragedy. I woke up from the dream, with the memory of holding the
phoenix feather. I knew somehow that it was a prophetic dream. I
had only to wait and see.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 350
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Rotting bones
From: "pisces03142000" <fallenstar0314
2. dream about a toothbrush
From: Anonymous
3. lost then find my self
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:48:33 -0000
From: "pisces03142000" <fallenstar0314
Subject: Rotting bones
I had a really odd dream that I cannot figure out what it means.
Here it goes: I had some kind of problem where my bones were
rotting out of my body and I needed a bone transplant. In the
dream, I was upset because they were medium bones and my bone
structure is small so I starting getting mad and saying "I can't
have medium bones! I'll be 120 lbs!!! So then it the day before
or the day of my bone surgery, I was walking around somewhere and
all the sudden, there was a hole in my thigh and it was a small
hole, almost like a cigarette burn and there was no blood, but I
had it because My bones were rotting. So then, I got the surgery
and they gave me plastic medium bones and it was just odd... Does
anyone know how to interpret this?
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:57:16 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: dream about a toothbrush
dream_title: dream about a toothbrush
dream_date: 12-5-01
dreamer_name: Denis
dream_text: i had a dream about a toothbrush. I was in a bathroom
and i kept seeing this toothbrush. It was blue with white
stripes, i don't own and have never seen a toothbrush like this.
Somehow i kept ending up in different bathrooms and this
toothbrush was always there.
dream_comments: After I had this dream i read that if u dream
about teeth then it fortells a death.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:34:14 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: lost then find my self
dream_title: lost then find my self
dream_date: 12/05/01
dreamer_name: help me please
dream_text: me and my fiance' went to my grndmothers house(no-one
has lived there for years)we went in to the house and the kitchen
is a shack.so we walk in to the living room and its a manchin.we
go out the back door and nothing is there but a road.so we go
back the way we came in and it was nothing but a road,our car was
goen everything.so we start walking and i am talking to him and
then all the sudden he is goen.i am scared and don't know what
to.up ahead to the left of me is a tornado and on the rite is a
hurricane,and in the middle is a snow storm.at the time it is
raining and th wind is blowing.so i start running it seems for
hours.then i come to a church and i walk in side and i see my
feance' at the front,he dressed in a tux and i look down and i am
in a wedding dress.the church is full but know one i know but my
sister,and then we get married.
dream_comments: i hope i can get some help with this.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 351
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Touch
From: fallenstar0314
2. Re: Touch
From: mara f <maramflynn
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:18:49 EST
From: fallenstar0314
Subject: Re: Touch
Nicole,
To my simple feeling, I feel that may be you get along
with older people better than younger people... I just got that
feeling. I don't know why I got that feeling, I know other
people would probably try to say something else, but that was a
strong feeling I got... Do u get along better with older people
than younger ones? Not old elderly people but people who are
exceptionaly older.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:58:00 -0800 (PST)
From: mara f <maramflynn
Subject: Re: Touch
Hi Nicole, it seems to me that the dream is trying to unveil the
feminine. There are parts of the whole self disguised as the ego,
the shadow, the crone, the friend, the mother. I would try to see
the dream from this perspective, perhaps even interviewing the
characters to inquire about the relationship they have with the
dreamer. Maybe incubating the feminine would be a good strategy to
further unfold the dream... Mara "Wilkerson, Richard"
<rcwilk@dreamgate.com> wrote: dream_title: Touch
dream_date: 12/6/01
dreamer_name: Nicole
dream_text: The dream takes place in a highschool. The school is
dark and vacant, leaving me to believe it is at night. I'm
walking down a long hallway with a friend. I do not know this
peson, but she seems to be very dear to me. I am following and
old woman in th hallway. I get the feeling that this old woman
knows she is being followed, and she wants me to follow her.
Instead of locking the doors leading to the next hallway, the old
lady leaves them open for me and my friend. I go through the last
door with my friend, and see the old lady smiling at me. I reach
for her shoulder. As I'm touching her, I receive a thrilling
sensation throughout my body. I realize that she is an
exceptionally kind person. As the old woman leaves me, I approach
a mother and her child in a room adjacent to the hallway.
The room is completely dark, but the mother and her child can be
clearly seen. The baby girl is in her mother's lap. I walk over
to them and notice the baby is fidgeting. The child does not like
me, and I am fully aware of this in my dream. I pick the child up
and watch the girl squirm around. Touching the girl gives me an
uneasy feeling. I know this girl to be evil, even though she is
only about 18 months. I then, place the young girl down on her
mothers lap and place my right hand on the mothers cheek. I
receive a terrifying feelings of pain. I'm not sure if the mother
is in emotional pain or is terrified of me. I run out of the room
clinging on to the wall of the hallway. My friend is still in the
room with the mother and child.
dream_comments: This dream seems to denote psychic power. By
touching these people, I become aware of their personalities,
their love, their fears etc.
Can these people be me? Am I showing myself through the
characters in my dream?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 352
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. old apt complex
From: Anonymous
2. better this than nothing at all
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:20:49 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: old apt complex
dreamer_name: sober213
dream_text: i had dream one night and i dreamt that i was walking
up to this old apt complex. the apt complex was one that i had in
considered renting at and i really wanted this particularly apt
for some strange. i think its probably cause of how old it was
the apt complex was one hundred and one years old and used to be
a great big house and some point in time. it had i high porch
with large white columns in the front. so i approach the complex
and i find a friend there. a girl i hadn't seen in months and
ever so curiously i was attracted to her she a bit tomboyish but
she had a great personality and she was just downright tough for a
chic and i dug that. so i notice that the landlord is showing her
the apt that i was considering renting and i mentioned that to my
friend and she said not to worry about it that i could be her
roommate. so at this point we are making our way to the apt and
we are climbing some old hardwood stairs the whole complex was
wooden with hardwood floors. at this point we are at the top of
the staircase and to the left we enter the apt. the door creaks
open and we enter to find that we are standing in a large
restroom with purple almost pink tile everywhere and a closet in
the far left corner and as we walk over we notice that we can see
people downstairs and they look and they can see us. two young
men one who had an immense infatuation of love with me and the
other a silly bother type. the only type of flooring in the
closet is a small v shaped staircase sort of thing then there was
an opening the bedroom on the right wall. so we all make our way
in and find a very small room with only space to fit a queen
sized bed. so next thing you know me and my girlfriend are on the
bed making out and going down on each other and the landlord is
no where in our presence and i could just feel it. but then
suddenly i opened my eyes to the find that the room is as large
as the bathroom with brightly colored walls and the sound of our
landlord banging on the door and we scurry to get our clothing
back on but she literally breaks down the door. for some reason
she was furious to the fact that she had found us in bed together
and naked at that holding one another. she attempts to storm out
of the bedrooms but we i run up off the bed after and with only
one touch all her limbs fall to the ground and my friend is
kicking her limbless body and successful begins to pull her head
off her body. she hands me her head and i proceed to make her give
herself oral sex. next thing you know we run out of the room and
we are in my mothers car and on our way to my grandmothers house.
i begin to search for a cd franticly. i obviously cant find the
one i am looking for. then another one of my friend,a girl whom i
often ran away with and went on many drug binges, pulls up next
to us and i know its her and she has what i need but when i look
and her her face distorted and she seems demented and foreign to
me. i yell at her for my cd and she throws into the car. and that
is where the dream ends.
is
dream_comments: i would like comments and feed back on this
particularly peculiar dream email sober213@yahoo.com
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:57:37 -0800
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@etherways.com>
DATE : 16 dec 2001 07:45
DREAM : better this than nothing at all
=( yesterday i should have spent the entire day grading the
student web sites for my courses which just ended with the class
party. but after the last week of constant time pressures, i just
could not get the mental juices flowing. grades are due monday
afternoon so i will have to push hard all day tomorrow. i went to
sleep early, around 12:30 and feel to sleep easily being more
tired than i thought. )=
i open the door to the hotel room and i am greeted by a musty,
unused smell of mildew in the corners and cracks. the room is
mostly empty of furniture, just a small card table and a few
folding chairs. the carpet is slightly littered with scraps of
torn paper, some of which cling to their position when i walk past
and others chase about like living things avoiding a predator. i
hurry over to open a side window just a crack to allow fresh air
to replace the lifeless dead air i am trying not to breathe in too
deeply. the room is a corner room on the building so there are
windows on two of the walls looking outward several stories up.
i turn as i hear bill griffin enter the room. he is my immediate
superior at work and he does not look pleased to be here, but he
called this meeting and i have only made this room available for
it. he looks at me, slightly puzzled.
"this is not my only room." i explain to him why it is so barren.
"i normally live next door, but i keep this place too." a couple
more men come in and take up seats at the card table and begin
discussing their business.
it does not take me long to determine that their affairs do not
really include me and that i have been asked to attend this
meeting mainly to increase the company presence here, not really
to contribute anything meaningful. they all seem to know it too,
so i am not even addressed in courtesy. they seem rather tense
about what they are negotiating, hence the lack of polite
inclusion.
that is acceptable to me. while they are going over some point of
contract or another, i find an old typewriter of mine leaning
against the wall in the corner. i bring in over to the table and
open its metal carrying case. brush off the flaking chunks of rust
and dirt that have accumulated through years of neglect.
inside the typewriter is in only slightly better condition. i use
my hand to brush off its patina of rust which comes off in
granular grit rather than flakes. i scroll in a piece of white
paper, the platen rolls rough for the first few line clicks but
loosens up with a little work.
i start to type and discover that the key and lever mechanisms
still work, only a little stiff with age. i have some trouble
stretching out my fingers to the proper key positions. in order
to make the typewriter smaller and more portable, the type arms
have been levered in between keys so when i press key the type arm
pops up between my fingers on it way to hit the ribbon. sometimes
the arm is next to the key pressed in which it is easy to keep my
finger straight so it does not interfere with the moving part.
but other times when i press a key, the type arm swings up from
way across the other side of the keyboard. this is harder to
recall which fingers i must keep apart to allow the passage of the
type arm. i recall that we are supposed to feel the difference
between the smooth keys and the ridged type faces, so to keep our
fingers in their proper places. but over the years, my fingers
have lost their sensitivity to this so i often find that i have
placed my fingers directly over the type head that must move,
instead of being over the keys.
i can not feel the difference until the type arm actually starts
to move and pushes my finger instead of hitting the ribbon. the
meeting breaks up with hardly a word to me and i am left alone to
lock up. i pop the cover of the portable typewriter back into
place and decide to take the machine with me to rehabilitate it.
on the ground floor, i leave the lobby of the hotel and go out to
the patio where there is a restaurant serving tables scattered
around. the tables, mostly empty at this time of day, are
arranged in groups separated by an occasional tanning bed. on one
of these i find a woman waiting for me. she moves over and pats
the flat bed beside her, indicating that i should lie next to her.
these tanning beds are not made for two, but i manage to find room
next to her. she snuggles back into with familiar feel. we have
been intimate many times before this. i admire her short dark
hair and brown eyes so deep that i get lost inside them. usually
i have this weakness for blondes, but her beauty is so
extraordinary that i have no choice at all. she is accustomed to
getting anything she wants from me. today i can see that she is
worried about something.
"why are men so possessive?" she asks me. "my husband does not
really care for me anymore, but still he gives my nothing but
grief when i come out on my own." she has made it clear that
secrecy in necessary between us, yet today she openly wants me
comfort her. "you don't seem to have this problem of sharing me
with him."
"i know what he feels. any man would." i try to be careful in
talking with her when she is distraught like this. "i only get a
few moments of sex with you, a brief pleasure. the leftovers and
scraps. none of the longer understandings and deeper involvements
of living with you. it has been that way from the start and so i
have had to just accept my status with you as being a second class
male in your life. everything i am to you is just filling in the
voids, the gaps where the two of you pulled apart or never melded.
bits and pieces is all i have."
i look at the ground, at the sky, anything except the look of
objection in her flashing eyes. "it is either that or nothing at
all."
she squirms a little bit closer into me as a gesture of
acceptance. "i am glad that you know your place then. he could
have had it all, he expects it by right, but never even bothers to
make time for us. we fill in time when nothing else comes up.
that is not enough for me."
one of the things that fascinates me about her is how she is so
self absorbed. filling in time when nothing else comes up is all i
ever have of her. she does not seem to notice. better this than
nothing at all. i put my arms around her and squeeze to give her
some brief comfort.
i look down the alley behind the hotel. i see a long perspective
of buildings and store fronts. the colors seem coordinated in
bright pastels arranged just to please the eye like an
impressionist painting. i know how city planning goes and that
this effect of composition is just a convenient coincidence of
this moment. but still, i am here and everything seems just
right. for years now i have been grateful for these little now
moments with never an expectation of a tomorrow. better this than
nothing at all.
=( it is around 07:35 when i wake up, not feeling rested but not
sleepy either. it does not take long to sit up and start typing
this dream into the files. bill griffin was my immediate
supervisor when i got here in pensacola, but he has retired and
moved away several years ago. nothing ever came out of that
employment except meetings it seems. this moody woman is unknown
to me, except by feel of familiar emptiness. real life seems like
this as often as not. it seems that the romantic ideal is an
artificial plot and our lives are just what happens in between
searching for it. )=
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 353
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: old apt complex
From: fallenstar0314
2. Not really my dream, but i am curious none the less
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:03:29 EST
From: fallenstar0314
Subject: Re: old apt complex
In a message dated 12/16/01 2:37:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rcwilk@dreamgate.com writes:
<< sober213@yahoo.com >>
That's one trippy dream! I think the old house and the old
friends represents your past and the limbs falling off your
friend and you continuing to give oral sex probably means that
when you were young your sex like, wasn't so together, maybe a
lot of relationships gone wrong and that drug friend also
represents old memories. You've thinking of you past and it's
coming out in odd forms. That's what I think, anyway :)
Lori
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:20:03 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Not really my dream, but i am curious none the less
dream_title: Not really my dream, but i am curious none the less
dream_date: 12/17/01
dreamer_name: Bakara Majnuna
dream_text: well, a friend of mine had a dream, i was wandering
what it meant, and so that you know, we aren't dating or anything
like that... just to take out any of those, "your destined for
each other" talk, anyhow, the dream goes that she was in a glass
mall, and in this glass mall, i was climbing these huge windows,
and i started to threaten to commit suicide, and everyone was
freaked out, because i had scissors in my hand, and i ran around
with these scissors, and they didn't care that i wanted to commit
suicide, they just said that i wasn't allowed to run with scissors
in the mall,so i announced that you were going to kill myself on
the glass window, jumped down and ran around and she was like no,
don't kill yourself and i was trying to convince her to let me,
with really foolish arguments, but they were Barbie scissors
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 354
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: bone transplant
From: Lauren <lauren
2. Re: bone transplant
From: fallenstar0314
3. Repetitious Shooting Airplanes
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:03:14 -0500
From: Lauren <lauren
Subject: Re: bone transplant
Hi, Dreamer,
I only have three questions regarding your dream.
1a) Who was the person suggesting the "medium frame" bones? Is
this person someone from real life, and if so, what do they
do/what do they represent in reality? 1b) If you didn't recognize
this person, what role did they play in your dream? 2) A personal
question for you, Dreamer - you say in the dream that the bones
suggested before you started to shop were a medium frame and you'd
weigh 120 lb. Is weight a consideration for you, either
personally or professionally?
Lauren
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:04:33 EST
From: fallenstar0314
Subject: Re: bone transplant
In a message dated 12/19/01 2:02:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lauren@ulster.net writes:
<< Hi, Dreamer,
I only have three questions regarding your dream.
1a) Who was the person suggesting the "medium frame" bones? Is
this person someone from real life, and if so, what do they
do/what do they represent in reality? 1b) If you didn't
recognize this person, what role did they play in your dream? 2)
A personal question for you, Dreamer - you say in the dream that
the bones suggested before you started to shop were a medium
frame and you'd weigh 120 lb. Is weight a consideration for you,
either personally or professionally?
Lauren >>
Hi Lauren, Thank you for atleast responding to me. I did not
reconize the person, I don't even think it was a person it was
just the fact they were going to be put there. The person or
whatever it was, represented a doctor and a person of fashion...
I don't worry about my weight, but I used to have an eating
disorder and I have been slightly thinking about wanting to loose
more weight and I have been. The thing that freaked me out was
the fact out of know where there was a hole in my leg, like the
bones were just ganna come right out if they didn't get taken
out. It was gross.
Lori
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:13:54 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Repetitious Shooting Airplanes
dream_title: Repetitious Shooting Airplanes
dream_date: About a month after September 11th
dreamer_name: Kris *Please use my e-mail (Editor - Kris didn't
include an e-mail address with this dream)
dream_text: My dream was very frightening afterwards, but while I
was dreaming I wasn't scared. The dream happened in a place that
I didn't know of...it was on a roof and seemed like it was some
community or a concert. We were all sitting on the floor very
comfotably just hanging out and having a good time. I don't know
exactly what was happening, but all of a sudden these places or
jets were streaming by. Each time they soared above us, they show
a straight paralell line as if to try and shoot the people from
the front to the back. Each time they would go by and shoot, my
friends and I would scoot ourselves back a little ways. The
shooting was very repetitious and it was hectic. But my
psychological state in the dream didn't seem afraid, just
confused. The dream felt like it was happening in some big city,
and like I said, on the roof of some building.
dream_comments: I know that my dream was taking place in a concert
or community surrounding because there was a concert that I was
supposed to go to on September 11th. The feeling that it was in
New York was obviously because the World Trade Centers were
bombed in New York. The fighter planes or jets seemed like they
were our enemies from a long lasting war. Like old enemies or
something.
NOTES TO THE EDITOR *Please use my Real Name *Please use my e-mail
(Editor - Kris didn't include an e-mail address with this dream)
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 355
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Restaurant
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:34:39 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Restaurant
dream_title: The Restaurant
dream_date: 12/20/2001
dreamer_name: memyselfni
dream_text: I was working in a restaurant as a waitress. My ex-
boss was there with her boyfriend Eric. However, she did not
know he was there. The restaurant was divided into 2 parts. The
front was the dining portion of the restaurant, and the back was
the bar.
I was in attendance when Eric was shot numerous times, and I do
not know who actually killed him. After the shooting, I went to
the table where Anne was sitting, but I could not bear to tell
her about Eric being shot. Later after she had eaten, she went
home to her apartment, and it was there where she received the
news of Eric's demise, she was in a total state of disbelief. I
went over to her home, and arranged to have a limo pick us up to
take her to the funeral home.
The limo arrived. It was a stretch limo, with maroon color.
Inside was a handsome driver, and a girl from high school that i
did not know very well. Before I got into the limo, MY ex-
boyfriend and son showed up in some type of an SUV, i asked the
two of for some funds, and they gave me a tin of popcorn, with
chocolate covered pretzels.
Anne, myself, the limo driver, and the girl from high school drove
off. We arrived at some elaborate high rise apartment complex,
where the girl from high school got out and climber up to one of
the highest units. She went out on the balcony and started to
sing. That was apparently the end of the dream.
dream_comments: I do not know where to begin. My mother died a
year ago. From that point on, other things have happened. IRS
audited my parents, I am going through a custody battle, I gave
birth, and I must travel up and down the road for adherence of a
court order.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 356
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: bone transplant
From: Lauren <lauren
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:17:25 -0500
From: Lauren <lauren
Subject: Re: bone transplant
Hi, Lori,
Thanks for answering my questions about your dream.
The thing about the bones, the skeleton as a whole, is that it's
at our core, the structure which frames, supports, and in some
cases even protects. When there's something wrong with it, it
effects everything else around it.
If this were my dream, I'd say that, for the moment, I felt
something was wrong in the framework (bones/skeleton) of what I
am, in this case to a point where the whole framework needed to be
replaced. The hole in my leg doesn't hurt me and doesn't bleed,
it just looks gross. To me, this would say that while this
doesn't hurt me in a way that makes me feel it right now (no
pain), and I'm not losing anything as a result (no blood loss), I
know that this problem is still doing some damage to me anyway
('cause it's gross, and gross just normally isn't good). If I'm
going for a bone transplant of an entire skeleton rather than just
letting it continue to break down/rot, then maybe I'm working
toward or are willing to take steps to make it better (shopping
for bones, going for the transplant).
The shopping for bones makes me think that I'm looking around,
putting together bones or trying to find a skeleton that I liked,
looking for something that still did the job, but was more "me."
I didn't like what the person in the dream offered because I felt
it didn't fit what I wanted as my basic structure.
Then, the surgery. I'm going for the surgery. I'm going to do
something to help fix this problem, and I'm letting people help
me. Even my mom. Mom tries to numb the pain, make the process
easier. What mom does hurts (sticks a needle in my leg, and
intravenous needles in my arm), but I know that while some things
hurt, they also help.
Now, my skeleton in this case could represent concerns about my
health, not necessarily bones really rotting, but maybe I'm
worried about something that's not quite right or right for me.
If I were really worried about something like that in real life,
naturally, I would go see a doctor. The fact that mom is part of
the process of helping makes me think mom already knows (or I
think she knows), and is doing her part. Mom in this case could
also represent the part of me that knows by experience (been
there, done that), wisdom and common sense what will actually help
me in this situation.
If I've looked at my physical self and I'm really in good health,
and nothing's happening that might harm me physically, then next,
I'd be looking at everything that makes up me, my identity, my
philosophy, the basic structure (skeleton) of what I am in my
mind. I'd look at what's happening in my life right now. What's
going on? How much is it effecting me? It may not be happening
in a way that hurts (no pain, no blood), but it's still there (the
hole in my leg) and bothers me (the "gross" factor). It might be
something small that happening over a period of time
(somebody/something bugging me or maybe making me question who
and/or what I am), or it could be something that's happened
recently and suddenly. In both cases, it's at a point where maybe
I think I need a new framework - a new support system, a new
outlook or way of looking at things - and that maybe the people
around me agree and are willing to help me toward that goal.
There are other ways to look at this dream, as many
interpretations as there are dreamers. This is the way I would
interpret it if it were my dream. My sense is that, despite the
grossness factor, this is actually a positive dream. Seeing that
there is a problem and working to correct it is a good thing. The
fact that it becomes more obvious that there is a problem toward
the end of the dream, with the hole developing in the leg, could
mean that the problem was there before, but is now showing itself
in a way that you can actually recognize as something wrong. I'm
not necessarily talking about seeing something physically wrong,
perhaps getting back to the whole "who I am in my mind" concept,
but just something that's caught your attention.
Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you. I know you wrote
this back in November, and whatever caused the dream in the first
place may have already disappeared out of your life. If so or if
not, I hope this helps, or at least gives you another way of
looking at your dream.
Happy dreaming.
Lauren
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 357
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: bone transplant
From: fallenstar0314
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:13:12 EST
From: fallenstar0314
Subject: Re: bone transplant
Lauren,
THANKS! I get it now and it does make sense! You should
have alittle net work of your own for interpurting dreams! Your
good, and I completely understand my dream.
Thank You,
Lori
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 358
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Tunnels
From: Alice E <egoyandreaming
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:51:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Alice E <egoyandreaming
Subject: Tunnels
Hello! I am new here. I've had vivid dreams,visions and OOBE's my
whole life. Went through a period of trying to just shut it out of
my life, but it was too hard and not good. I'm going to be
starting an online dream journal at my website soon. Here is a
dream I had about a week ago:
I was in what looked like a tunnel, looked like there was white
around the tunnel, as though lining it, some sort of parachute-
like material. There were people around me bundled up and I heard
a voice say 'Chechnya'. Then I saw a stone wall and the edges
were on fire.
Short one, I know. I also had an interesting one the night before
Sept 11 and some months before too which I actually drew a picture
in my journal to accompany. I will send those later if we can send
attachments, or just a link.
Good to be here.
-Alice
http://www.thedreamingeye.com/
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Tunnels
From: fallenstar0314
2. Heaven
From: Anonymous
3. burried by potatos
From: Anonymous
4. The Virgin Sandra
From: Anonymous
5. Ghost House
From: Anonymous
6. my love, lost
From: Anonymous
7. Brother who pasted away
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:45:02 EST
From: fallenstar0314
Subject: Re: Tunnels
Alice,
some questions... Did you feel like you were in a igloo? I
kinda got that feeling when I was reading your dream, I don't
know why...Did you feel cold? How did you feel? I know that white
light means positivity... Diod you feel safe? when that person
said that word do u know what laungage that might have been? What
did that person look like?
Thanks,
Lori
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:57:07 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Heaven
dream_title: Heaven
dream_date: 12/18/2001
dreamer_name: Russ Grant
dream_text: I died in my sleep. I remember my heart stopped. I
went to a big valley that was really a big room. It had hardwood
floors and the ceiling was there but not there. It was so
restfull and i felt relieved to be there. There were about 70
other people in there with me. I felt so wierd because it felt
so real. It was total relaxation and relief. I was telling
people that i couldn't believe that it was so painful to die. I
remember sitting there waiting for something to happen. Then i
woke up.
dream_comments: I have heard that you cant die in your dreams or
you really do die. I died. My heart stopped and I remember
dying. I remember the way heaven looked and felt. Is their
anything I can do to have this dream again? Please use my Real
Name- Russ Grant Please use my e-mai- fatkiddeluxe@hotmail.com
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:57:30 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: burried by potatos
dream_title: burried by potatos
dream_date: 12/20/01
dreamer_name: Beatrice
dream_text: Last night I dreamt that I was in my bed and very
warm. my husband was burrying me with hot potatos - not burning
hot but more than warm. He was putting them on me like he was
making a brick wall.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:57:59 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Virgin Sandra
dream_title: The Virgin Sandra
dream_date: 12/19/01
dreamer_name: LucidlyLikeMe
dream_text: This dream begins with me in a specialty condom store,
buying this box of Condoms wrapped in fancy gold wrappers that
has little treats in it *think Godiva rubbers*. I'm buying them
because I'm going to lose my virginity to my boyfriend *who is my
ex in real life* and want it to be special. I go to bed. The
next day I wake up, sick, and my stomach is strangely stiff in
the abdomen. I don't know why it's this way, so I go to my
mother, and she tries to figure it out, but she can't. Soon my
whole family is involved, and very puzzled, so they take me to
the doctor. My doctor looks at me like I'm an idiot, and makes
me take a pregnancy test. It comes out positive! This really
irks me because I've always told everyone I was a virgin, and I
don't remember losing my virginity to anyone, but yet I'm somehow
pregnant. So I go to ask my boyfriend if he and I.. you know.
But he pushes me away, calling me all sorts of names and a liar
because he thinks I lied about being a virgin. Then he dumps me.
Soon everyone I know begins to say the same, and I can't do
anything but cry, and my stomach suddenly starts growing big.
But I woke up right before I gave birth, alone, in a dark room.
dream_comments: I am constantly having dreams where I immaculately
conceive a child, this is just one in a list of many, and the
weirdest.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:58:20 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Ghost House
dream_title: Ghost House
dream_date: 12-25-01
dreamer_name: Thomas
dream_text: I have a recurring dream(it crops up at least once a
year) about a dilapidated Victorian house. I am frightened to
look at the house because I always see a strange woman either
standing in front of the house or, more often, looking back at me
from a window on the top floor. This terrifies me because I know
that she is dead, but more than anything else I am sad; I get the
feeling that her whole life was wasted and there is nothing she
can ever do to get it back. This dream has disturbed me for years
and I would love to know what it means!
dream_comments: Could this particular dream actually be relevant
to my waking life? I'm a 29-year-old male and I read quite a
bit(I have a passing acquaintance with Jung's work), but I have
not been able to get any kind of clear meaning from this dream.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:58:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: my love, lost
dream_title: my love, lost
dream_date: 12-24-01
dreamer_name: lynn
dream_text: well i was dreaming of my boyfriend, who i grew
amazing close to in a shory period of time, who i love to death--
-my dream took place at his house with his neibor (who i dont
even know of that well). she seemed to like my bf, and he seemed
to like her all this time we have been dating. it was so real and
true that i woke in tears. why would i have a dream about some
girl i dont even know, with my bf? it was really scary... maybe
something is up between them??-i guess i will never know.
dream_comments: i would like to know why i had that dream...there
has to be a substance behind it..of some sort maybe just not
screaming at me through my dreanm but actually looking in to it a
bit deeper...email me please glitteranshine@yahoo.com thankyou
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:59:06 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Brother who pasted away
dream_title: Brother who pasted away
dream_date: 12/23/01
dreamer_name: mr7575
dream_text: I dream of my brother which pasted away in October 16,
2001. He was stand up and the background was white. He was
wearing brown shoes, brown pants, white shirt, and a tan jacket.
He left his arm and was telling me to come to him with his hand.
He told me to hurry up and go to him. I told him NO, and woke up,
as I wake up I was very cold inside. What does this mean.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 360
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Heaven
From: fallenstar0314
2. Cranes, Children, Sisters, and a Fatal Earthquake
From: Anonymous
3. Re: Tunnels
From: Alice E <egoyandreaming
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:21:07 EST
From: fallenstar0314
Subject: Re: Heaven
Russ,
My feeling was you were probably astraly traveling which is
when you go visit the "Other World". That is how I feel and there
Are exercises that you can do to make you astrally travel
Lori
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:37:50 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Cranes, Children, Sisters, and a Fatal Earthquake
dream_title: Cranes, Children, Sisters, and a Fatal Earthquake
dream_date: 12/19/2001
dreamer_name: FrontierDog
dream_text: One of my sisters (younger) and I went to New York.
(We had previously talked about doing this at Thanksgiving.) We
were walking in a residential area up a hill on a sidewalk. A boy
is angry with her and throws a ball at us but it hits me in the
head. I turn around and he's angry and I see an infant laying on
the sidewalk with a baby bottle crying. I am then distracted by
more children ages about 7, and we are under a locust tree. Then
a cloud of white cranes land in the tree. They are very tame and
let me touch them and soon we are all holding and petting cranes.
They were very pretty and as I inspected their wings I noticed the
yellow markings were actually hungarian folk art of a yellow
background and red flowers. I am then walking away, I've let my
crane go, back up the hill. My sister had gone on ahead without
me after I turned to talk to the boy who had thrown the ball and
I don't see her. 2 of the children, sisters, walk with me. The
youngest still has her crane and wants to keep it but I tell her
she should let it go, it will want to go home. They walk with me
up the hill, getting older, to age 13. Nice girls. One walks
farther ahead, the older one. We enter a large brownstone
building, somehow near its top floors. There is a tall ceiling
hallway leading to a skybridge made of stone and copper railings
turned verdigris. One girl has gone across. As the other girl and
I come to the doorway to cross, the other side is starting to
shake and crumble, I'm thinking the crumbling architecture
reminds me of Pompei. Now the sister on the other side is standing
against the building and seems to be the younger sister now, she
is trapped. The other girl seems now to be older around 16. She
and I have nowhere to go. The earthquake gets worse and I hold
her while we crouch in the stone doorway. I'm thinking that at
least I have my cell phone and I'll be able to call my parents to
let them know I'm alright and I'll be able to call my sister who
was somewhere ahead to find her. I'm looking up as things are
shattering and then the building I am in with this girl begins to
collapse. I know at that moment that this is fatal and there is
no escape. I felt defeated but unconcerned, kind of "oh well,
that's it then" and I woke up just as the building came down on
top of us.
dream_comments: This particular sister and I are not very close
although we have been gradually moving closer in recent years. It
would not be unusual for her to be fed up with my interest in the
birds and walk off alone and expect me to catch up. The birds I
don't understand and certainly the earthquake I don't understand
except that I do live in earthquake land and earlier in the year
experienced the hard one in Seattle in an office. It was
terrifying for a moment and then I realized it was not going to
get any worse so it was better then. The children and the sisters
changing ages...I just don't know.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:34:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Alice E <egoyandreaming
Subject: Re: Tunnels
Lori, No, I didn't feel safe. I was trying to look around the
people bundled up. And, no, it was not an igloo. As I said, it was
a tunnel, like we were going underground for the subway or
something, or walking beneath an arch. Chechnya is in Russia I
believe. I don't know much about it to tell the truth. I didn't
see anyone speak the name. I just heard the voice...or maybe the
voice was just "there". Maybe I'll try and find some photos of
Chechnya online. I could have just been travelling in my sleep.
The dream had a definite "feel" to it though. Like some dreams I
have are distinct in the way they feel as though they need to be
looked at, you know?
-Alice
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