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Electric Dreams Volume 08 Issue 10
" Let's suffer together. But let's not be stupid together."
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Volume #8 Issue #10
October 2001
ISSN# 1089 4284
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
Dream Movement responds to the tragedy of 9-11.
G L O B A L * D R E A M I N G * N E W S - Peggy Coats
NEWS * RESEARCH & REQUESTS * WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES *
* DREAM CALENDAR for October & November 2001 * ASD News Update!
++ Notes to the Editor/Dream Airing
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
Arthur Gillard reviews Robert Moss' book
DreamGates
++ Article: Nightmares
By Tony Crisp
++ Article: Nightmares through my life
By Johanna Vedral
++ Article: Dealing with Precognitive Dreamer Guilt
By Jean Campbell
++ Article: New Approaches to Controlling and Understanding
Nightmares
by Richard Catlett Wilkerson
++ Article: Passage: Nightmare Within, Nightmare Without
Richard Catlett Wilkerson
++ Dream Collection: Precognitive Dreams and Nightmares about the
tragedy in NY and DC on 9-11. Contributions from the Dream
Community.
D R E A M S S E C T I O N :
This issue includes volume # 269 - #284
D E A D L I N E :
October17th , deadline for November submissions
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I have gone on at some length about dreams and the current
situation in my Passage article below and won't repeat a lot of
that here. But I would like to encourage the dream community to
view some of the resources below and offer help in any way you
can. We have a crisis at hand, and it may not be over for some
time. Please help with this long and arduous transformation.
The Dream Movement Responds to the Attacks in NY and DC on
September 11, 2001
There are a few quick resources I wanted to make you all aware of
before discussing this month's articles.
1. Electric Dreams.
EDreams will continue to collect and share dreams and
nightmares
about the Attack and related dreams and nightmares. They are
printed in the Dream Section as well as in a special section
Attack on USA Dreams.
Dreams are being collected at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
2. Cyberdreamwork
Robert Bosnak and Jill Fischer are coordinating an 800
number to help nightmare victims related to the terrorist
attacks. This project will be with the Association for the Study
of Dreams, Jungian groups and other groups. At this point they
need trained professionals to help man the phones. See the
information in the Global Dreaming News below, or stop by
http://www.asdreams.org/nightmares.htm
or
http://www.cyberdreamwork.com
3. The Association for the Study of Dreams is developing a
Nightmare Resource Page. This page will contain articles for
parents who have children that start having nightmares, and for
individuals who are interested in how to work with the nightmares
of peers or with
oneself. The page will also include advanced information for
clinicians and mental health workers on PTSD and Nightmares. ASD
also offers forums for the discussion of dream topics. No
interpretations are allowed, but general topics may be discussed.
http://www.asdreams.org/
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This articles this month are about nightmares. October is always
our nightmare issue, but we didn't realize that this year the
nightmare was going to be so global.
The excerpt from Lucy Gillis' "Lucid Dream Exchange" this month
includes a review of Robert Moss' DREAMGATES: An Explorer's Guide
to the Worlds of Soul, Imagination, and Life After Death by
Arthur Gillard. In this book we learn that the world of dream is
not to be taken lightly or dismissed. The possible gates through
which we can enter are important in creating a world that is
sacred as well as safe.
Tony Crisp offers us an article that looks a little more deeply
into why nightmares are so scary. His answer is complex and what
emerges is the notion that we are all going to have nightmares as
part of our natural growth process. Are you ready to be mature?
Does this mean that the nightmares in NY and DC mean that the
dreaming world is about to mature? Read Tony Crisp's
"Nightmares."
Johanna Vedral has been having nightmares her whole life, and
reminds us that by being aware of these dreams, new forms of
consciousness can emerge. Her hope is that in the collective
nightmare, new forms of global consciousness will emerge. Read
more in "Nightmares through my life."
There were many pre-cognitive dreams about the event, predicting
or foreshadowing the attacks in New York and D.C. Were these
dreamers responsible for coming forward and telling those dreams?
Jean Campbell explores this and the importance of sharing dreams
in general in her article "Dealing with Precognitive Dreamer
Guilt."
I am including an article I have been distributing to my
DreamGate classes on "New Approaches to Nightmares." This
article will catch you up on the basics of nightmares and offer
some techniques of lucidity and other interesting approaches.
In another article I am including this month, "Passage:
Nightmare Within, Nightmare Without," I explore the current
terrorist situation and offer the notion of Cultural Aikido, a
positive transformation of negative energy that is developing in
what I feel are some lessons we have learned from nightmare and
dreamwork.
I have pulled many of the dreams about the tragedy out and re-
posted them together below. There are two sections of dreams. The
first are dreams people reported that were before the attack on
NY and DC on 9-11-2001 and that people felt were related to the
event. The Second section contains selections from nightmares and
dreams recorded and distributed online after 9-11-01.
I am moving the Global Dreaming News to the beginning of the E-
zine this month. Tell me what you think about this. I am feeling
that a lot of people are missing it and I would like to see more
contributions from new dream projects and their participants.
Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, gathers
dreaming news from around the world, events, conferences, and
seminars. But we can always use your help. If you have news
items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at
pcoats@dreamtree.com
Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net
and have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma.
Be sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and
soul of dreamers in Cyberspace.
If you would like a cover for your Electric Dreams, the cover is
at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers
The 19th Annual conference of the Association for the Study of
Dreams has announced its dates and theme: Dreams and Culture,
June 15 - 19, 2002. Location: Tufts University, Medford, Boston,
Massachusetts. See http://www.asdreams.org/2002
-Richard Wilkerson
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm.
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Dream Community Offers Help with Nightmares
- New Version of Alchera Dream Software Released
- Request for Nightmare Hotline Volunteers
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- French Dreams Needed
- Bodywork/Dreamwork with Jean Campbell
DREAM CALENDAR for October 2001
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>>> Dream Community Offers Help with Nightmares
http://www.asdreams.org/nightmare.htm
Nightmares following a traumatic event are very common. Whether
they picture the traumatic event directly, or involve other
images and themes, or both, they probably reflect a normal
healing process, and will diminish in frequency and intensity if
recovery is progressing. If after several weeks no change is
noted, consultation with a therapist is advisable.
A number of online venues are offering help with nightmares:
1. Electric Dreams. EDreams will continue to collect and share
dreams and nightmares about the attack on America and related
dreams and nightmares. The October issue will focus on
Nightmares (as it does each October). Dreams are being collected
at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
2. Cyberdreamwork Robert Bosnak and Jill Fischer are
coordinating an 800 number to help nightmare victims related to
the terrorist attacks. This project will be with the Association
for the Study of Dreams, Jungian groups and other groups. Watch
the ASD homepage for more information http://www.asdreams.org
http://www.cyberdreamwork.com
3. The Association for the Study of Dreams is developing a
Nightmare Resource Page. This page will contain articles for
parents who have children that start having nightmares, and for
individuals who are interested in how to work with the
nightmares of peers or with oneself. The page will also include
advanced information for clinicians and mental health workers on
PTSD and Nightmares. ASD also offers forums for the discussion
of dream topics. No interpretations are allowed, but general
topics may be discussed. http://www.asdreams.org/
>>> New Version of Alchera Dream Software Released
A new version of the Alchera dream software has been released.
Version 3.7 is a minor update, adding a Related Dreams function
that automatically displays related dreams based on symbols in
your dream. Various other improvements were added, like the
ability to filter journal entries by year. A summer special
offers new customers help with importing existing dream files
into Alchera. The dreams need to be in some kind of common
computer file format, and there should be at least 50 dreams.
More information is available at the website, or email the author
Harry Bosma. http://www.mythwell.com The Alchera software is
suitable for all approaches to dreaming and can be customized in
many ways. Mythwell is a software company owned by Harry Bosma.
He has been an active dreamworker for over a decade. The first
version of Alchera was released in 1996. Mythwell / Harry Bosma
Schoener 24 9606 PV Kropswolde The Netherlands email:
hbosma@mythwell.com
>> The Power Of Intimacy : A Dream Work/BodyWork Workshop
Nov 16-18 in Portsmouth, VA
The iMage project with Jean Campbell and Lydia Anne Armistead,
LCSW
$425 3 days, Deposit $75 by Oct 20th, 2001. (757) 465-0960
DreamWork/Bodywork workshops are designated to use the medium of
dreams to allow the greatest explration of the self. Other tools
will include dreams, dance, music, the tarot, and bioenergetic
bodywork. The Location, a cottage in Sandbridge, will provide a
quiet setting in which workshop participations can, in addition
to doing their process work, walk on a beach or find a quiet
place to meditate. Expect transformation.
>>>>>> A Call for Volunteers for: A National Nightmare Hotline
www.asdreams.org (The Association for the Study of Dreams) has
joined with www.cyberdreamwork.com to create a National Nightmare
Hotline for adults and
children impacted by the New York/D.C. disaster.
These kinds of dreams have an enormous impact on all of us.
Nightmares are ordinary events after great traumatic disasters.
They serve to digest the horrific
events. Just telling them to someone may have a positive effect
on an individual's sense of well being.
This hotline, is NOT a counseling line and if desired we can
refer anyone to a counselor after discussing their nightmare(s).
All volunteers will be provided with a Hotline Protocol and a
list of Referral Resources.
The hotline number will be placed on www.asdreams.org and
www.cyberdreamwork.com once all volunteers are in place.
If you cannot work on the hotline we would welcome any donations
you can offer to help
finance this public service.
Please send your donations to:
The Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD)
Attn: Susan Moreno, Office Manager
PO Box 1592
Merced, California 95341-a592
Write on your checks:
National Nightmare Hotline
phone: (209) 724-0889
ASDCentralOffice@aol.com
We would appreciate your informing friends and associates that
this hotline is available. Forward to your e-mail lists.
PLEASE VOLUNTEER NOW!!!
Skilled and experienced dreamworkers and Psychotherapists who
have professional liability insurance, are needed to be available
on telephones, for three hour shifts twice
a week to debrief adults and children on their nightmares.
Please send the following to:
webmaster@cyberdreamwork.com
1. The three hour shift twice a week when you will be available
to answer telephones.
(Please indicate specific days of the week and hours)
2. Your telephone no.
3. The address of that number.
4. The contact person at that number.
5. Your e-mail address.
6. A three line overview of your relevant experience.
We will then contact you with all the particulars.
Please be advised that we are looking for an initial group of
professional volunteers to get our line up and running as
rapidly as possible. We will then find an umbrella organization
and offer training to the next group of interested and skilled
dreamworkers who may not have professional degrees or liability
insurance.
Thank you,
Robert Bosnak and Jill Fischer
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>>> French Dreams Needed
Bonjour, je me permets de vous contacter car je suis
la
recherche de rcits de rves. En effet, je me propose de
constituer un recueil de rves qui sera accessible
tous
(probablement sur l'association Oniros). Je contacte donc des
personnes intresses par ce sujet (comme j'ai trouv vos
coordonnes sur le site "Les Demoiselles du rve" j'espre ne
pas trop vous importuner, si par malheur c'tait le cas je vous
prie de m'en excuser par avance) dans l'espoir que vous aimerez
bien partager un ou plusieurs de vos rves, une fois ou de temps
en temps (de faon anonyme) pour crer un grand recueil de
rves. De plus je me propose de reprer dans tous les rves que
vous voudrez bien mettre
ma disposition les symboles les plus
souvent rencontrs afin de dresser un petit panorama de notre
univers onirique. Vous pouvez m'adresser vos rves ( si
possible, ceux-ci seront dats et auront un titre )
cette
adresse : Adresse d'email : bresfr@wanadoo.fr Je vous remercie
pour votre attention. Zouf.
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with
others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread
the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is
really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up
his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send
changes to the links page to us.
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October 2001
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Oct 4, 11, 18 in San Anselmo, CA
Dr. Joan Robinson, LCSW, MFT will be leading dream groups
Thursday evenings, Oct. 4, 11, and 18, 6:30pm-8:30pm, $75 for
three or $100 for all four meetings if paid in advance. There
will also be an all day workshop Saturday, Oct. 27 from 9:30-4:30
at Robson House in San Anselmo, $60 Call Joan at 415-457-4533
to register.
Oct 13-14 in Cincinnati, OH
Dreaming True: Bringing the Gifts of Dreaming into Everyday Life,
a workshop with Robert Moss. Please contact MiShalla (513) 697-
9845, email mishalla@worldshare.net
Oct 24 in Danbury, CT
Creative Dream "Play Groups" for Adults. For more information,
contact 203-744-6823 or UKHypnosis@aol.com
Oct 27 and 28th Freda Hedges & Tom Dragavon are hosting my
CREATIVE DREAMING WORKSHOP IN BENICIA California (near San
Francisco.) A Weekend Intensive. Contact Freda Hedges at
<hedgesf@yahoo.com the cost will be $95.for the weekend, sleeping
bag over nighters possible.
Nov 16-18 in Sandbridge (Portsmouth, VA)
The iMage project with Jean Campbell and Lydia Anne Armistead,
LCSW
The Power Of Intimacy : A Dream Work/BodyWork Workshop
$425 3 days, Deposit $75 by Oct 20th, 2001. (757) 465-0960
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News, Notes and Events
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Annual Dream Swarm
Once a year, Electric Dreamers take flight in late October, visit
all the dream sites from the past and all the new dream sites we
can find. This event is partially social, partially an surge of
the Dream Movement, and partially a way to keep our community
links updated and fresh. If you have new information about your
site or know of dream sites you would like us to report on in the
Global Dreaming News and Electric Dreams, send those links in!
If you like, put a jack-o-lantern out on your site for Halloween
so we know you are a friendly dream site and will deliver treats,
not tricks!
dreambat
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Want to chat about dreams?
So you have seen it all and done everything there is to do in
dreamwork. For you, Electric Dreams offers the further reaches of
dreamwork. On the outer edge, the community explores postmodern
dreamwork, transhumanist dreamwork, mutual dreaming, lucid
dreaming and psi dreaming. Imagine dreamwork at trans-warp drive
speeds. Open a sub-space portal and teledream though. A good
place to start here is with the dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com
list. Stop by
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dreamchatters
or subscribe directly by sending an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Surveys online related to the tragedy in NY and DC
Kelly Bulkeley, Ph.D Dream Survey and comment returns
http://www.kellybulkeley.com
DreamGate Collection for Electric Dreams
Dreams and pre-cognitive dreams regarding and relating to the 9-
11 attacks
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:06:50 -0700
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
Subject: Re: napsterites
Richard, the entrance to this site makes it seem formidable,
devilish, yuk. What is the attitude of its entries? Is this a
satiric greeting or does it express a real sata/insanity of the
contents?
Reply from Richard: Open to suggestions. Build an entrance and I
will take a look.
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AN EXCERPT FROM THE LUCID DREAM EXCHANGE
By Lucy Gillis
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The recent issue of the Lucid Dream Exchange was a memorial issue
dedicated to the memory of one of our contributors who passed
away this summer. The theme of LDE was lucid dream experiences
of death, and the deceased. One of the articles was an
enlightening book review, by contributor Arthur Gillard.
Book Review
DREAMGATES: An Explorer's Guide to the Worlds of Soul,
Imagination, and Life After Death by Robert Moss
Reviewed by Arthur Gillard (galatur23@yahoo.com)
Dreamgates by Robert Moss is a fascinating look at the lucid
dream experience from a shamanic perspective which in many ways
goes far beyond other books on the subject that stick closely to
what can currently be proven from a scientific perspective. There
is a lot to be said for dealing with this endlessly fascinating
subject in a scientific way, yet I found myself immensely
enjoying Moss' more far-ranging, free-wheeling approach and his
emphasis on the spiritual beliefs of indigenous peoples
throughout the world.
For Moss, the world of dreams is every bit as real as Consensus
Reality, if not more so. In fact, he considers the Dreamworld or
Dreamtime to be the primary level of reality and the origin of
all that we experience in the physically awake portion of our
lives. When we travel into dreams or out of our bodies in astral
projections we visit real places, encounter other beings - non-
human, ex-physical etc. - and have genuine experiences which may
enrich our lives and enlarge our souls in various ways. For
example, on these "soul journeys" we may recover knowledge from
before this physical incarnation. It is also possible to
anticipate future events and in many cases change their outcomes.
Initially I felt a bit hesitant about this book, finding some of
his terminology too glib - e.g. he refers to people who often
experience conscious dreaming (his preferred term for lucid
dreaming) as "frequent fliers." However, I got over that once I
realized that he has a sophisticated approach to this subject and
is drawing on an encyclopedic knowledge of a wide variety of
different cultures and times - e.g., lucid dreams of Aristotle,
the soul journeys of the 18th century Swedish scientist/mystic
Swedenborg, native North American legends, Australian aboriginal
myths etc. His stance on skepticism also did a lot to win me
over. He stresses the importance of a skeptical attitude, but
only at the proper time, i.e. after we have had an experience,
not before. We should not let the skeptical side of ourselves get
between us and these sorts of experiences, Moss advises, but
dialog with the skeptic afterwards to determine what the real
nature of the experience may have been and what significance or
utility it may have in our daily lives. Moss considers that the
result of an experience often counts for much more than its
ontological underpinnings, which may in any case be unknowable.
He cites encounters he's had with what appeared to be the soul of
a departed historical figure who inspired and helped him with
creative endeavors such as novels he was writing; does it really
matter whether the entity was actually the person he appeared to
be, or a different being, or an aspect of Moss's unconscious
mind? Whatever the nature of those encounters, they helped Moss
bring a tangible creative product into the world.
The after-death state is a frequent topic of this book, which is
one of the things that initially attracted me to it. A shaman is
defined as a person who has had a personal encounter with death
but came back to share her familiarity with that realm and use
her knowledge to help others; shamans are scientists of the
afterlife. Moss himself describes an illness he had in early
childhood during which he made a soul journey to the underworld
and met a ghostly race of beings; he lived an entire lifetime
with them during the course of his childhood illness in our
world.
Some of the more skilled explorers throughout human history have
brought back maps of the hyperspace within which our more mundane
reality is embedded, and these have been turned over time into
myth and scripture, with inevitable distortions, simplifications
and biases. What modern people need is not to take someone else's
word for it, but to experiment and experience for ourselves and
make up our own minds. Moss makes clear that he is only giving
you techniques to use yourself, and temporary maps of hyperspace
to help you initially until you can draw more accurate ones that
reflect your own experience. Reality, in all its aspects, is
always changing - therefore old maps have only a limited validity
in the present moment.
According to Dreamgates, the after-death state is dreamlike. "The
path of the soul after death is the path of the soul in dreams."
Through conscious dreaming, soul journeys, shamanic techniques of
dream reentry etc., we can become familiar with the after-death
state while we're still physically alive, and thus avoid some of
the mistakes which may befall many of the newly dead - such as
not realizing that you have died, or playing out limited or
redundant patterns from your life rather than taking advantage of
the many opportunities for spiritual growth and adventure
available to us once we've left the physical permanently. "Our
feelings, experiences, and creative energies survive physical
death and colour a new phase of growth and experiment. All of
this can be perceived by the living through dreams and inner
communications and may be a vital source of guidance and
inspiration." It is also possible for a living person to assist
the dead in various ways, for example to give up old patterns or
to move on to their next stage of growth. Anyone can be a
"psychopomp" or guide of souls. He talks about various ways this
can be done, but the most important thing is your attitude, your
desire to help. "If your intentions are good, you will receive
the help you need."
In any case, Moss wisely advises us to live our lives from the
perspective of our eventual death. When we die, and we look back
over our lives, what would we want, then, to have done now, in
our current life circumstances?
It would be best to live life now in a way that will not lead to
many regrets at the moment of our death. Of course, this is very
easy to say in theory, and very challenging to put into practice.
But from the perspective presented in this book, we're here to
learn and grow as evolving spiritual beings.
For me the last several chapters were among the most interesting.
Moss describes alien abductions and points out the great
similarities between such accounts and many dream encounters; he
feels that many such experiences probably occur in dreams -
however, he also feels that people may actually be having
encounters with real, independent non-physical entities, though
in most cases probably in their dreambody rather than their
physical bodies. He goes on to speculate that because our culture
has denied the Dreamtime and taken such a narrow materialistic
view of life, perhaps the Dreamtime is breaking through into our
physical reality, to wake us up to the spiritual dimension of
reality. This could account for some reports of paranormal
occurrences. Perhaps the physical world is becoming more
dreamlike, he suggests. Regardless, "dreaming is about living
more richly and generously. As you become an active dreamer, you
will learn to navigate by synchronicity. When you view dreams
more literally and waking life more symbolically, you enter the
flow of natural magic."
If I have one major complaint about this book, it is that he
deals in fear way too much for my taste. He's always alluding to
frightening or dangerous phenomena that you may encounter, and
the corresponding great need to carefully protect yourself in
various ways - for example, sanctifying and shielding the place
where your body is located when you go on these travels. He also
talks much about secret schools on the astral plane, that may
make you pass tests or do certain things before you are allowed
to enter, and guardians at various thresholds and gateways. All
of this, in my opinion, could lead to unnecessarily terrifying
experiences on the part of people who are trying these
experiments. It may be that Moss is invoking fear as a way of
more fully engaging his readers in the process, making them pay a
lot more attention to what they are doing and take this all more
seriously; or maybe it's more of a disclaimer so he won't be sued
for astral damages (these days I wouldn't be too surprised); or
perhaps he really believes it - maybe it's even true! I find it
hard to take seriously statements such as "If you are out for sex
and thrills, you may wish you had insisted on a health inspection
before getting involved with some of your partners."
Astral VD? Come on! I'm willing to consider that he may be
correct on some level(s) and to keep an open mind about this, and
to learn some techniques that might come in handy if I find
myself in a bad astral neighborhood. It also occurs to me as a
possibility that people who go out feeling that the multiverse is
all sweetness and light, while they might have more positive
experiences, may miss out on some of the really interesting and
educational opportunities to be had.
Such quibbles aside, Dreamgates is a fascinating look at shamanic
dreaming, is a very entertaining read, and would be a valuable
addition to any oneironaut's library. I highly recommend it, and
I plan to read more of this author's work as soon as possible.
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Nightmare
By Tony Crisp
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E'mail: tonycrisp@bigfoot.com
Website - http://dreamhawk.com
Darkness, and the sounds of danger .. then something touches you
obscenely. You run through a door and shut it, but it isn't
strong enough to keep the thing at bay. You scream, then wake
cold and shaking. Thank God - it's only a dream.
Where do the fears come from which haunt us in our dreams? I
remember a night when I woke screaming from the strangling grip
of hands round my throat - hands of a corpse which had risen from
the tomb, its face a mess of peeling flesh, and its eyes glazed
over.
We all have our own particular terrors in sleep. Is yours a ghost
or a rampaging thing, dangerous and insane, which hunts you
through the night? Or is it an apparently ordinary person or
place causing an unexplained, all pervading sense of threat and
fear? Perhaps you see your children killed as you watch
helplessly - or know the world is ending, that there is no safety
anywhere.
THEY PORTRAY A REALITY ABOUT OURSELVES
The prize fighter Sugar Ray Robinson, on the eve of his title
fight with Jimmy Doyle in 1947, woke from a nightmare in which
Doyle died from a punch. As he woke he could remember hearing the
crowd shouting: "He's dead, he's dead!" He was so upset by the
dream Robinson asked Adkins, his trainer and promoter, to call
off the fight. Adkins told him, "Dreams don't come true. If they
did I'd be a millionaire." In the eighth round Doyle went down
from a left hook to the jaw. He never got up, and died the next
day.
Sugar Ray's nightmare was about the truth, albeit in the future
tense. Although only a tiny percentage of dream contain
predictions, all night mares are real, not fiction. They portray
a reality about ourselves of which we aren't consciously aware.
A woman in her 50s told me that she had been troubled since
childhood by a recurring nightmare. She would be walking down a
street she'd known as a child, and pass some railings. There was
nothing obviously awful in the dream, yet she always woke up
crying and fearful. When she was in her early 40s she told her
sister about the dream. Her sister said that when the dreamer was
about three they'd both been attacked by a group of boys while
near those railings. To stop them, the sister had said not to
hurt them because their mother was dead. At this the boys had
left them alone, but the dreamer had been badly shocked.
The nightmare stopped as soon as she learnt about the childhood
incident from her sister. This suggests that her troublesome
dreams were an attempt to make her aware of a part of her past
that held unconscious pain or fear. As soon as her conscious mind
knew the full facts, the nightmares were redundant. The nightmare
was an attempt to integrate what she unconsciously sensed, but
may never have defined or put into words. This description
applies in general to all of our dreams. They are a link between
our deep unconscious biological functions, our memories and
intentions, and our conscious everyday social selves. In
particular, nightmares are, as in the example, attempts to bring
to consciousness powerfully felt events which led us to reactions
which might have been relevant at the time, but negatively
influence our present life, and need re-assessment. An event may
have led us not to trust people for instance, or as with the
woman, have powerful anxiety in connection with external objects
- such as the railings. When understood, a nightmare brings the
strength of the emotions and the original cause to our attention,
so we can understand the connections and perhaps change our
reactions.
However accurate this theory is however, it doesn't explain the
depths of horror and emotion in which nightmares involve us. If a
nightmare contains a truth, just what unsuspected message is
shown by our own particular dream monsters? Let us take one
person's nightmare apart piece by piece to see if we can find any
answers.
DREAMS OFTEN SUMMARISE OUR LIFE STORY SO FAR
"Last night I had a dream which shook me somewhat, and I wonder
what you make of it. I am a mature 40 year -old, don't normally
dream, and am not unduly fanciful, but this dream has really
shaken me. It felt like death. In the dream, my husband and I are
at some sort of social club. The people there are ex-workmates of
mine and I am having a wonderful time and am very popular. My
husband is enjoying my enjoyment. Then he and I are travelling
down a country lane in an open horse-drawn carriage. It is very
dark and is in the area we used to live in. We come to a hump-
backed-bridge, and as we arrive at the brow of the bridge a voice
says, 'Fair lady, come to me.' My body is suddenly lying flat and
starts to rise. I float and everything is black, warm and
peaceful. Then great fear comes over me and I cry out my
husband's name over and over. I get colder and slip in and out of
the blackness. Then I start to wake up. It takes a tremendous
effort, as my body is very heavy. I am extremely cold and
absolutely terrified, with a feeling of horror. There seems to be
something evil here. I force myself to get up in the dark and go
downstairs. Even with the light on I feel the presence of great
evil."
The first part of this woman's dream and what she says of herself
shows her as an outgoing person, with a happy disposition. She
likes people, and they like her; she is probably good looking,
and healthy. She feels herself successful at what she has worked,
and has left having acquired friends. The relationship she has
with her husband is also depicted as one in which pleasure can be
allowed within caring independence. Her dream image of herself is
therefore created out of her own confidence. Dreams frequently
summarise the quality of ones life and the 'story so far' in
their first scene.
The second scene is made up of several parts - the journey, the
woman's relationship with her husband, the force of nature
symbolised by the horses and the countryside, and the unknown
seen as the bridge and the voice. To understand what this reveals
of the dreamer, look at the vital clues: what she has said about
herself and what she felt in the dream. If you strip away images
to see what attitudes or emotions are exposed, you can see the
forces behind the dream plot. The most poignant statement she
makes is in saying, "It felt like death."
If we consider the central image of the dream, the hump-backed
bridge, in relation to what she says about her age, the feelings
of death's approach make sense. When you approach a hump-backed
bridge you climb, but at the very brow, the descent begins. Isn't
that a powerful symbol of life? In our younger years our
strength, sexuality and ability to meet life with resourcefulness
and independence increase, until middle age, when the decline
sets in. You cross over - as this woman crosses the bridge - from
one type of experience or view of life to another. The passage of
time is seen here as the horses pulling her carriage inexorably
towards the change.
But the dream's beauty, its depth and drama, are in the voice,
and in the discovery of how death 'feels'. They tell us something
about women's inner lives, PLURAL. They reveal how, in her prime,
a woman confronts change and the view of death in a way few men
do. "Fair lady" the voice of change calls, "come to me." And it
beckons the dreamer towards a hefty mid-life crisis, asking her
to exchange her sexual peak, her firm body, her fertility, for
the different perspective of post-menopause.
Many women - men too of course - gain their sense of value as a
person from their 'attractiveness'. Losing whatever it is that
makes them sexually desirable and socially popular - or fearing
that they are losing it - will lead to a significant change in
their way of life and their feelings about themselves. This is
what makes the dreamer call for her husband. This is what
produces the feeling of isolation and terror. A woman needs
reassurance and love at this point in her life. She may behave
indecisively and deflect the advances of her man through a lack
of self-esteem.
Fortunately the human personality is resilient. Even though we
are reared to identify ourselves with what our body looks like,
what it can do, what sex it is, what age it is, and how others
react to it, we CAN grow to mature independence without constant
reassurance.
Some people create these nocturnal horror movies when leaving
school or sitting exams. But middle age is just another phase of
life, with as much potential for growth and love as any other
phase - and as much room for failure. This woman fears what she
imagines middle age will do to her. The dream isn't an intuition
of her future.
HE RAN TO HELP, BUT HIS SON DISAPPEARED INTO THE PIT
Nightmares can arise out of any aspect of our past, present or
future about which we have strong feelings such as anxiety, pain
or conflict. For instance a male reporter who was interviewing my
wife and I about our work ended by asking us about the meaning of
a nightmare he experienced the previous night. In it he was
walking arm-in-arm with his wife across fields, followed by his
four year old son. Looking back he saw his son fall into a small
but deep hole. He ran to help, but the child had disappeared
under water in the pit, and he was tormented by the decision of
whether to jump in himself - he might be killed by the fall. Then
his son was out of the hole, his heart faint but still beating.
The man was deeply anxious in case the dream predicted the death
of his child. This may seem ridiculous if one has not had such a
dream, but the strength of emotions in nightmares tends to create
anxiety in even the most rational minds. The original scene,
however, depicts marital togetherness, which led us to tell him
the dream was about a recent threat to his marriage rather than
his child. Astonished he confirmed his marriage had hit a bad
time, and he was fearful of the survival of the relationship.
"But" he said, "why did I dream about my son?"
The reason is probably because the son represents what has been
created by their life together. There may also be the added
association of the son being a factor which bonds the marriage,
and a threat to the son would mean less mutual bonding. As dream
symbols unite an enormous amount of varied information - much as
the symbol of the cross does for Christians - the child most
likely also refers to the man's 'child' feelings, his dependency
and vulnerability which was threatened by the problem in the
marriage.
What we found interesting was the way the symbols linked with
real events. We told the man that his action of running to help
the child showed how deeply he cared for the family unit, and how
much of himself he was willing to give to save it. The survival
of the child was a demonstration of another function of dreams.
From all the information and past experience it holds, our
unconscious can shrewdly sum up in a dream the likely outcome of
present circumstances. So the dreamer, having explored the most
disturbing of his emotions, comes to the conclusion that his
marriage will survive, shown by the still beating heart of the
child.
SHE AWOKE FREED FROM CORRUPTING EMOTIONS
Nightmares are a helpful part of a healthy person's dream life. A
woman whose husband was leaving her dreamt she opened a trap door
in the floor, and released a stench. At the time she was
suffering severe depression. The stench, the cause of her
illness, was the emotional pain and the 'rotten' feeling about
her marriage. Later, as the depression faded, she dreamt she
opened the trap door with heart pounding to find all trace of the
vile smell gone. Light and warmth had replaced it. She could hear
people talking and saw the normal business of a bank going on.
The negative feelings which caused her illness are shown to have
been transformed into real assets and energy - the bank. Energy,
like money, can be used either destructively or creatively. The
dream gave her a clean bill of health, achieved by meeting -
opening the trap door - the corrupting emotions and attitudes she
had within her.
Just as we learn to swim by gradually facing and overcoming our
fear of sinking, so we learn to love, be creative, successful or
expressive, by meeting - in dreams and in life - the fears which
hold us back: the fear of losing our mother, the fear of being
neglected, the fear of being alone, fear of the dark, the fear of
ridicule, and the fear of failure. They're all anxieties we
conquer to some degree in the process of maturing. But there is
no final boundary to our growth.
So if you dare to grow beyond your present maturity, you are
bound to have a few nightmares. Try to see what they say about
you. You have nothing to lose but your fear.
E'mail: tonycrisp@bigfoot.com
Website - http://dreamhawk.com
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Nightmares through my life
By Johanna Vedral
http://dreamtalk.hypermart.net/members/johanna_vedral.htm
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The first dream I remember is a nightmare. I remember this dream
as well as it would be the dream of the last night. I think I was
about 3 or 4 years old when I had this dream
(when my parents got divorced. I had to stay at my mother who
needed all the space for her own like the truck in this dream). I
wrote it down some years later.
"Go away!"
I am in a duct, a passage without windows or doors, this duct is
as wide and as high as a truck. There is bright electric light,
everything is nearly white. Behind me a truck as wide and as
high as the duct!!! comes along! I am running away, I don't
want to be squealed. Now on the right side I find a door, and I
open the door and jump into the room just in the last moment
before the truck catches me. The room is dark. A creature hanging
on another door in this room like a coat hanging on a hook talks
to me and says: "Go away!" I am afraid of this creature and have
to leave this dark room. I open the door to the duct just when
the truck races along I can not go out I can not stay
inside
In this dilemma I awake.
Recurring nightmares in my childhood let me be haunted by male
monsters or the "Dark Man" and I tried to take control over
the dream by waking me up every time the "Dark Man" letting a
little bit closer
Looking back it is very amazing for me that the monsters that
haunted me were male because I had a very bad relationship
with my mother (including violence and child abuse).
When I was a teenager my nightmares offered me a more sexualised
version of the "Dark Man" now it was obvious he wanted to rape
me. One dream (at the age of 31) that pointed on sexual child
abuse distracted me especially because I can not remember being
attacked like this:
I was a child. I was on a street waiting form y father. I entered
a public bathroom. A man dragged me behind a wall, doing
something sexual to me. I shouted, shouted, shouted, he was not
allowed to do that, because I had a concussion of the brain.
Cut.
A woman found me and helped me to look form y father. The woman
was sitting with me at a tub station. I was younger now, wearing
a turquoise t-shirt. My mother came. The woman was talking to
her. I was mute. My mother talked of going to the sea with me,
there I could play with the sand.
Most of my nightmares could be described as Patricia Garfield
called in her Universal Dreams "Theme 1: being chased or attacked
by somebody". The typical aggressor is "the dark man" who
persecutes me to kill me, to rape me, to torture me. Often he is
a brutal intruder. Sometimes he appears as a monster. In
comparison to this bad guy the bad witch is a rarity in my
dreams. Sometimes the persecutors are aliens.
On an Alpine pasture, with my kids and a group of other people,
including a friend of mine, Maria with her kids. Some kids fell
down with their bikes and blessed their knees, my kids, too.
Maria asked the other wanderers for adhesive plasters. One of the
wanderers gave me a little silber coin from another land.
Suddenly a thunder storm came, dark and yellow clouds.
Maria and I were about 200 meters away from the others. Maria was
running to the kids, me too, but I could only run very slowly,
like I would run through water. I was afraid of flashes. Suddenly
the earth opened, there was a glowing and shining, and an UFO was
coming out of the earth. We were all running away.
Since I am a mother I developed a new type of nightmares:
Baby-kidnapping
On the street. A woman had her baby in a basket left on the
street and said she would take it soon. A Yugoslavian bus
stopped, a dark man got out, took the baby and drove away. I ran
after the bus and cried desperately "My baby!" But they are
driving away, my baby has gone for ever.
In other dreams of this type are wounded babies, babies who are
neglected and dying, children dying by accidents. I think most
parents know dreams like this. In comparison, my children report
from their nightmares that mother, father, grandparents or
siblings are hurt or dead and they are helpless against the
aggressor.
A typical nightmarish night in my thirties:
I am in a dark store. Alone with the dealer. I go to the
bathroom, he follows me, with a naked belly. I am shouting and
running outside. In the store he is trying to take my red bike
away. I am throwing typewriters at him. His wife and his child
are coming. I run on the street.
Three terrible monsters with glowing eyes paralysed me with rays
from their throat charkas. I was not able to change their shape.
I visited my first husband and his mother. They were torturing me
with electricity with the plug of the TV. I tried to escape the
pain with crying and crazy talking and awake.
Through the years having survived a lot of nightmares, I got cut
into pieces, shot down, burned, drowned, got drowned, tortured by
eclectricity, needles, injections, were swallowing glass, raped,
badly hit My persecutors and enemies were vampires, sorcerers,
witches, demons, ghosts, soldiers, murderers, priests, policemen,
psychopaths, Nazis, devils, parasites, spiders, snakes, wolves,
crazy cats and so on. My parents and grandparents had a lot of
terrible experiences according to living in a land that lost
World War II. In some of my nightmares there appear bombs,
explosions, hiding in the air-raid shelter and war scenes as a
collective remembrance. Sometimes it was possible for me to
rewrite the recurring scenes of persecution, torture, intruding
and running away. An example for a healing in the confrontation
with the "dark man":
A car with three friends of mine is waiting. I run after them on
a snowy street, I slipped and fell, I lost my umbrella and my
bags. Over me loose hanging voltage. My friends are driving away,
I am running through a duct. A man persecutes me. I want to wake
up myself, but then I decide to confront him and look with love
into his face. The murderer is changing and offers me a drink. I
dare to look at him detailly. He is wearing a shirt with a design
of sad lions. He remembers me of my ex husband.
When I tried to force lucidity in my dreams (with the Nova
Dreamer) 5 years ago at the age of 29 the number of nightmares
increased, and there appeared new nightmare types:
A couple, nearly naked, was going in a small boat. High waves,
she was going over board several times, but he helped her. A
fleet of huge warships and a plane came along. The couple was
captured.
Now I was the woman. I was brought into a house. Taken away by
two men, I could not say goodbye to my man. They brought me to a
row of chairs where other people were sitting. My son was taken
away, but he laughed. I had to recapitulate æy former life. I
told them I am 30, talked about my weddings, my divorces, my
children, my abortions, my studies at university, my writing
projects But they did not listen to me carefully. They put on a
heavy helmet on my head that connected me with a synchronisator
and a brain wave changing machine, in a row with the other
people. I shouted I had the right to know where my child was, I
was shouting a long time. They tuned the volume in the helmet
down.
It was like in a supermarket, people were buying shampoo and
other things right by our side. I was shouting. The helmet was
unbearable heavy. Other people had not so heavy headgears, some
had only wigs. I cried, my helmet is too heavy! I could nearly
hold the helmet with my neck muscles. They punished me by cutting
my (very long) hair. I shouted on and on. I commited the faces of
the drunken guards to my memory to bring them to court later.
Finally my shouting helped I got a light headset instead of
the helmet from a new guard.
Another nightmare in the lucid dreaming time, its of the type
"nightmares of a mother":
I was going by tub. The tub was going through a hospital. We
could see hurt people through glass windows. We stopped at a big
shit machine. A woman ordered me to clean containers of shit. I
got dirty, I felt nausea. A child about 18 months old was
brought. I should work with this child. It was said it had deep
inner wounds because of the attack of a murderer. The feet of the
child were amputated. I was cleaning. I was shocked. The child
was drinking a bottle sitting on its mother. The mother was very
cold when the child was crying.
The most distractive dreams for me are the ones in which
dismemberment takes place:
I was walking on the Schafberg mountain. I am pausing on a bench.
Under the bench is dirt like dirty napkins and so on. I fall
asleep (in the dream) and see amputated arms and legs with eyes!
My son is crying. I am confused of my state of consciousness
am I dreaming, am I awake?
During the last years, I had a lot of unpleasant encounters with
spiders. This led me to a deeper and more intensive examination
of the dream symbol spider. I collected more than 200 spider
dreams by now (41 of my own, by now) and I am still working on
the spider dream book project (now a little bit slowly, because
my new baby needs a lot of time).
As an example my recent spider dream: For me it illustrates the
correlation between my bad relationship to my mother and
persistant nightmares. This dream asks me to work on the Mother
archetype for not to contaminate my new baby with my mother
complex.
14.8.01 (55.birthday of my mother ): spider on the wall
I was in the room I had in the house of my mother (I went out at
the age of 16 because my mother and I had a very difficult
relationship). On the wall right of the window a big black spider
- as big as my hand! First she was just sitting there, than she
began to crawl around. My (2 weeks old baby daughter, my third
child) and me were sitting on the bed. The spider was going under
the bed! My black cat Platon was after the spider. I threw
pillows on the spider. Then I tried to hit her with a fat red
book named "The year of the holy" (a book full of stories about
the Christian martyrs ), I threw the book on Platons back. Now
the spider was half dead and sloughed like a snake, now there
were two spiders! One part of her on the window sill, the other
on the book board. Then there was one of the spiders on the board
of the anteroom in the flat I live now and was just moving! The
spider was Platon but my baby too! And I finally squeezed it.
I finish this article on the day after the horrible terror
attempts in the USA. It seems to me as if the nightmares of
thousands of people have come true. Today watching the news is
more horrible than watching a horror movie. But instead of
becoming afraid over these events, let's all pray for more LOVE
and more WISDOM to wake up within everyone here on earth!
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Dealing with Precognitive Dreamer Guilt
Jean Campbell
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On Friday, September 14th, four days after the terrorist
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Richard
Wilkerson commented to an Association for the Study of Dreams
online group that, so far the only dreams to be submitted to any
of the online collection points seemed to be precognitive ones.
I will admit that my background in dealing with precognitive
dreams was what sent me to the computer not minutes after I
watched a live broadcast of the second airliner smashing into the
WTC tower, even before news of the events at the Pentagon broke.
As moderator of the ASD Bulletin Board, I wanted to broadcast the
message that dreams could be posted. I was not surprised when
the first dream results turned out to be precognitive.
For thirteen years, between 1975 and 1986, as I directed a
nonprofit organization dedicated to research into consciousness,
I lectured, conducted classes, spoke to dream groups, all around
the U.S. I listened to literally hundreds of dreams involving
precognition, and I heard the questions raised by precognitive
dreamers:
1. Why me? (Which could also be called questions two and
three in most cases.)
2. My family says I'm nuts--or spooky. What good is
precognition if nobody listens?
3. Why do I only dream about the bad things?
4. What can I do to either stop dreaming this way, or make
these dreams clear enough to be useful?
5. What does it mean if I have precognitive dreams? (This
latter questions particularly comes from lucid dreamers.)
At the time I was hearing all these hundreds of dreams and
the questions accompanying them, I was also working on some
answers, and I would like to share them with you in light of the
current situation.
Why me? If we look at the collection of dreams presaging
Tuesday's tragedy, it is easy to see that, although some of the
accounts come from people who know themselves to be regular
precognitive dreamers, many more come from people who are shocked
to discover their precognition.
The answer to the question seems, in fact, to be that every
single one of us has precognitive ability, and that intuition is
a human characteristic.
The answers to questions number two and three go hand in
hand, and are the ones which actually prompted this article.
Although historically there have been many cultures which
welcomed dreaming and relied on the insights of their dreamers,
the last four hundred years of Western culture have been far from
welcoming toward precognition or intuition of any kind. Whereas
churches stopped persecuting citizens for witchcraft by the late
sixteen hundreds, by the early seventeen hundreds, scientism and
"rational thinking" had taken up the hunt. It is easy enough to
understand why, despite the recorded fact that some of the best
known individuals in recent history--Abraham Lincoln, Mark Twain,
Buckminster Fuller, Isabel Allende, Albert Einstien, Jonas Salk--
to name just a few, have recounted precognitive dreams, still the
majority of the population refuses to believe precognition
exists.
There remains, however, the question of what to do if one
has a precognitive dream, or many of them.
It appears that the stronger an event is in emotional
content, the more likely it is to be "broadcast" in time and
space, at least in some form that catches the attention of
"connected" dreamers. Although many people who record their
dreams daily talk about mundane or inconsequential precognitions
they pick up from their dreams, the majority of precognitive
dreams recounted tend to involve strong emotion: birth, death,
illness, disaster.
There are many people today who are asking how all these
precognitive dreams, recorded both before and after the tragedy,
could have happened. In a way this is a reminder to us all that
we know relatively little about the mechanics of dreaming, let
alone the mechanics of consciousness. I leave the speculation
about mechanics to others, believing (although I enjoy
speculation) that what we need to deal with is the facts. In
part, because of the presence of the Internet, that remarkable
tool for communication, we have before us possibly the greatest
outpouring of precognitive dreams and awarenesses ever recorded
in history.
These precognitions exist. They are a fact. Now, what will
we do about them?
As intellectuals (and I think it is safe to say that most
people who read e-zines consider themselves to be intellectuals),
we have a tendency to want to distance ourselves from the
emotions of dreams by thinking about them. I strongly suggest
that now, in these times, we allow ourselves to feel as well as
to think.
It has been suggested to me that some people who posted
precognitive dreams to the Internet after Tuesday's events might
have been "making them up." I ask you, why would someone do
that? What we are dealing with here is a fact in the world
psyche. There has been/is a traumatic event, and we are all
attempting to deal with it.
If we begin by accepting the fact that many, many people had
premonitions of disaster, then possibly we can do something to--
I'm almost afraid to say it--change the future.
The first issue we are looking at, I believe, is the one
which comes up in question number two. What good is precognition
if nobody believes the precognitive dreamer? Or even ridicules
or makes light of the dream?
I believe that one of the first things that happens to a
precognitive dreamer after recognizing a precognitive dream of
some magnitude is what I call precognitive dreamer guilt. The
message one gives oneself is, "If I knew about the event
(particularly if it's a disaster), and didn't report it, or try
to convince others that it was going to happen, am I guilty of
allowing the event to happen?" This question, depending upon the
dreamer, is more or less a part of conscious awareness, but the
tricky part of it, especially for those who are new to believing
in this particular take on reality, is that there is a strong
element of truth to the question.
Let me recount one of the dreams I have heard since the
terrorist attacks. You tell me what you think. This dream
occurred on Monday night, September 10/11.
The dreamer was lucid. She was visiting a family whose
members she was aware she knew, though confusingly, not in their
present forms. It was an ordinary day. The dreamer became aware
that it was the day before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Should
she tell them what was going to happen?
At some point in the dream, the mother of the family said to
the dreamer (or the self she was in the dream), "You look a
little upset. Why don't you lie
down and take a nap?" Which she
did. But then awoke in the dream again, still lucid, feeling
both disoriented and concerned about whether she should tell the
family about the imminent attack on Pearl Harbor.
I chose this dream for two reasons. One is that it comes
from one of the hundreds, possibly millions, of people who
experienced precognition before the terrorist attacks, but did
not post the dream to the Internet. The other reason is because
the dream so clearly illustrates the dilemma we are all facing.
Does the dreamer cause the event to happen? Can anything be
changed by "telling" about the dream?
I am convinced that, at some level, we are all connected.
Further, I tend to believe that we are quite constantly dreaming
the world (many worlds) into creation. But the question of guilt
is another one entirely.
There is no doubt in my mind that people feel guilty when
they have failed to report (or worse, told and were laughed off)
a dream which ultimately "comes true." I have seen too many
cases of this to believe otherwise. Precognitive dreamers live
with the question, "What would have happened if...?"
I want to tell you my own solution to the question. As it
happens, I was one of the precognitive dreamers on the night of
September 10th. I awoke from the following dream around 5:30
a.m.
I am standing in the control tower of an airport, maybe JFK
International, watching a man talk somewhat frantically into a
microphone. There is a feeling of something gone wrong.
End of dream. My first waking thought was, "Huh? What was
that about?" I never dream airplanes or control towers.
Was the dream precognitive ? Most likely. Was I aware of
its connection to waking reality? Only as the events of the day
unfolded. Was there anything I could have done to avert
disaster?
It would be easy enough to quickly answer no. There was
nothing I could have done. My dream was fragmentary, and
seemingly unrelated to my waking life.
But here is where the question of guilt steps in.
Most of the dreams reported on the Internet as precognitive
have a similarity to mine in that they became clear only after
the fact. (There are a couple of exceptions to this which I will
address later.) Should I have felt guilty that I warned no one,
or even that I dismissed the dream as irrelevant? I think not.
Yet what the global dream event surrounding the waking event
of the terrorist attacks has done for me is to set me thinking.
I believe that, as someone well versed in the nature of
precognition, I had then, and am having now, a responsibility to
the dream. And I mean that in the sense that psychic, Edgar
Cayce, explained when he talked about response-ability, or the
ability to respond.
The response I had to my own precognitive dream was to
realize how unresponsive I had become to the storm clouds
gathering around me. As a response-able dreamer, there are many
things I can do. Writing this article is one of them. There are
others.
After all, it was Cayce who, in trance state, told the small
group of people gathered for one of the early conferences of the
Association for Research and Enlightenment that (when they asked
about what could be done to stop Hitler's advance on western
Europe), the people in that room could stop Hitler. And he went
on to explain how the pure intent of many can change the
probability of future events.
When we speak of precognition, we are speaking of
probabilities. That is the fact which is most frustrating about
precognitive dreaming, and at the same time most uplifting. It
encourages the old joke about precognition that goes, "We'll
never know if we changed the future because we'll be living in
it."
If we tell someone about the precognition, can the disaster
be averted? In three separate reported incidents, various
dreamers who posted to the Internet said they had told someone.
One woman, who had a series of dreams over the summer, repeatedly
told family members, who laughed her off as being "weird."
Another woman said she and a friend told "authorities" about
their dreams, and were similarly ignored or indulged. And yet a
third person, who was so traumatized by the powerful dreams of
the night before the attack that he woke up room mates and told
them to get out of New York, received the same, "Go back to
sleep," answer.
Not a very good track record, is it? Nonetheless, there is
plenty of recorded evidence of people changing waking reality as
the result of a dream. One of the classic cases is Louisa
Rhine's ( wife of parapsychology pioneer J.B. Rhine and a fine
researcher in her own right) dream which saved her child from
drowning.
In another case, one of the students from a dream class I
was teaching, and later wrote about, averted a potential auto
accident involving his entire family. There are many other such
tales.
I know, and have seen demonstrated many times, that not only
dream recall but precognitive skill improves with practice, with
attention. Many of the recent dreams, seen after the fact as
precognitive, were cloaked in imagery which, before the fact,
would have been difficult to interpret. There is always the
question of how to dream precognitively in a better, clearer
manner.
I believe that no matter what the content, even precognitive
dreams have an element of information for the dreamer, an element
that can be "interpreted" if you will. And I know that, if we
regularly interpret our dreams, work with our dreams, pay
attention to our dreams, they can be a key to clearer
precognition.
Why was I in the "control tower" during my particular
precognitive dream, watching someone else try to avert disaster?
This was, on the one hand, quite probably a "remote viewing" of
something already taking place or about to take place. But why
did my dreaming self choose this particular thing to see? The
image has a personal message.
Part of that message is a reminder to me that I am "in
control" of particular aspects of my life, not only the present
moment, but all of the moments extending from it. I do not need
to stand by and watch. This is what the Buddhists call
"mindfulness."
It is from this mindful point that I would like to make a
few suggestions about precognitive dreaming.
1. Even though the events of September 11th were traumatic
and provoked an outpouring of dreams, events did not stop there.
We all, particularly those of us with developed dreaming skills,
need to be more mindful.
2. We need to encourage, not discourage in any way, the
dreamer in ourselves and the dreams of others.
3. We need to encourage not guilt but response-ability.
4. Part of being response-able is to connect with one
another, to tell each other our dreams and premonitions, to
conduct "reality checks," not just assume that post trauma
nightmares (of which there may be many) are predictive. Many
practiced dreamers can tell by the "tone quality" of the dream
whether it was predictive or not.
5. We can work to develop our precognitive skills and also
our interpretive skills. This involves not an inflated idea of
ourselves as seers, or a guilty avoiding of possible futures, but
a deep, honest, ongoing look at ourselves and our world.
6. And most of all, we need to be kind to one another and to
ourselves, in the sense that every act of kindness, every act of
listening to one another and to our dreams of probable futures,
is, in itself, the creation of a new and different reality.
There are many places on the Internet now to record and discuss
dreams: psychic dream registries, the Dream Wheels of Electric
Dreams, the ASD Bulletin Board and e-groups.
Since the terrorist attacks, I have committed myself more
fully than ever to the dream. We, all of us, can spare ourselves
the guilt of precognition by recognizing that what happened in
dream reality around the September 11th disasters may have, in
fact, been a wake up call. What we do, once awake, remains to be
seen.
Jean Campbell, September 21, 2001
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New Approaches to Controlling and Understanding Nightmares
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Dream: "At first I was going to run like I have done before in
other dreams with this thing. The dark creature scared me and
threatened to harm me, it even seemed to know where I would hide.
But this time I stood up to the thing and demanded that it back
off. To my surprise, the creature stopped and sat up like a
puppy, as if it were begging for a bone. I was flooded with tears
as I thought how lonely this creature must be." BK
Although this is a modern dream, it could well have been the
dream of a Senoi child, a semi-mythical tribe said to have shared
dreams each morning. The Senoi taught their children to confront
nightmare monsters and even to extract a gift from them in
reparation. These techniques of nightmare confrontation are now
being employed and expanded by researchers to help nightmare
suffers around the world. Many of the processes can be used
safely by adults or parents with their children.
There are many scary events in life and in sleep that we refer to
as "nightmares" and it is important to distinguish between them.
The most common frightening events during sleep are nightmares,
night terrors and sleep paralysis. (ASD Nightmare FAQ quote)
Nightmares, Night Terrors or Sleep Paralysis?
Unpleasant dreams are not uncommon and may at times wake us up
and be called Nightmares. Nightmares are extreme reactions of
negative feelings, often with great amounts of fear, that occur
during dreams and are recalled upon awakening. Though more common
in children, they can happen to anyone. Children are often chased
by animals and fantasy figures. Adults are often chased by male
adults. Generally they occur in the last part of the night or
sleep cycle. Contributing factors in the cause of nightmares
include illness, stress, troubled relationships and traumatic
event. Ernest Hartmann, a leading researcher in America on
Nightmares has noted that some personality types can be prone to
nightmares. There seem to be natural or early learned personality
styles that produce dream people and thought people. The thought
people maintain thick boundaries between contexts, are very
focused and can shut dreaming memory out altogether. Dream people
have thin boundaries, are more sensitive, have a wider, softer
focus and tend to recall dreams very easily, sometime frightening
dreams.
Traumatic events can trigger a long lasting series of recurrent
nightmares often diagnosed as part of PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress
Disorder. These nightmares are different in that they repeat the
same scene over and over for years. They are usually found in
veterans, but other traumas may also bring this about. These
nightmare sufferers usually require professional assistance.
However, most of our nightmares (and other unpleasant dreams) can
be easily turned into positive experiences by new techniques in
dreamwork.
Night terrors are different from nightmares. First, they usually
occur during the first hour or two of sleep. It is not uncommon
to hear the person screaming or thrashing around. It is often
hard to wake the sleeper and they rarely remember anything.
Children who have night terrors may also sleepwalk or urinate in
bed. Night terrors are not well understood, and seem to come from
a part of sleep that is rarely associated with dreams and
dreaming. By puberty, children usually stop having night terrors.
Adults having night terrors often are also leading very stressful
lives. A consultation with a physician may be useful if the night
terrors are frequent or especially disturbing, though often just
talking about it or making small changes in sleep routine is
enough. One long term researcher notes that AI have found that
night terrors are often more disturbing and stressful for the
parents than the child."
Sleep paralysis is the experience of not being able to move.
Often there is a feeling of great weight on the chest making it
hard to breath. Fantasy and reality can mix, hallucinations may
appear and loud buzzing noises, vibrations and feelings of being
touched or electrified. Sometimes the person realizes they are
dreaming and still can"t wake up. Researchers feel that sleep
paralysis is really a partial awakening during REM or Rapid Eye
Movement Sleep, when the body is naturally parked off line.
Messages from the brain are stopped from entering the body and it
is a natural condition that occurs about ever 90 minutes of
sleep. Since anxiety about the situation occurs, adrenaline
speeds up the body and people can even feel that they are leaving
their body. The recommendation by researcher Stephen Laberge is
simply to realize it is a dream that can"t harm you and to relax.
Dreams that proceed from paralysis experiences are often quite
intense and wonderful.
Facing the Fear
The famous dream researcher Calvin Hall notes that Americans say
more than half of all reported dreams are unpleasant. Many
researchers feel this is due to the attitudes we carry with us to
bed. What if, before going to bed at night we brushed our
attitude as well as our teeth?
This is just what both ancient and modern dreamworkers encourage.
With the application of a few simple techniques, we can nurture a
dream garden of delights and turn the worst monsters into friends
and allies.
Some of the techniques are so simple that children can learn
them. Ann Sayre Wiseman teaches children in grade school how to
confront Nightmares. She has them first draw the monster or fear
and then draw a solution. At first children often shoot or
destroy the monster, but later develop more creative solutions
like magic circles and cages, as well as complex problem solving
strategies. Representing the dream by drawing allows the children
time to dialogue with the fears, as well as empowering them to
feel safe and experiment with options to running away. These
powers are carried over into the night time dreams. One child who
was plagued by a bear-like monster reported that he was able to
yell at the monster "Stop, why are you chasing me?" The monster
stopped chasing him and began crying that we was just looking for
someone to play with.
Jill Gregory has used similar techniques with grade school
children by getting them to stage the dream. She first has the
children create a costume for the dream monster, and then they
get to "show and tell". Gregory would further ask the children to
come up with a more satisfying solution to the dream. These
stagings or dream dramas become a skill with carries over into
the dream world. One doesn"t have to even explore the symbolic
meaning of the dream for these techniques to work.
Adults may practice the same techniques. The daytime practice
sessions are important, even when it seems silly. This is because
our minds get into habits, just like our bodies. If we have a
pattern of running away, this pattern has to be strongly
connected with new options. Setting a mental or verbal intention
to try these options is an important step, but may not be
remembered in the panic of a nightmare as well as actual
practice. Draw or sculpt or dramatize the creature and clear
options and reactions to being assaulted.
If you don't have the time to draw or dramatize your dream, you
may wish to try dream-reentry. In dream reentry the dreamer
becomes relaxed and begins to recall the dream, to imagine re-
entering the dream. However, if there is some part of the dream
that is unpleasant, the dreamer then imagines an alternative
solution. Laberge and other experts suggest the solution involve
something more creative than just wishing the problem away.
Wishing the problem away is a sneaky form of the same fear
reaction of running away.
The model of bringing more consciousness to dreams that started
with the Senoi tribe and has been practiced by many modern
researchers.
1. Do not flee from threatening dream characters. Confront them
courageously. Set limits. Ask for their name as a parent would
ask a child who was misbehaving what his or her name was.
2. Try to find a creative solution with the dream monster that
satisfies you both. If impossible, try to get the monster to look
at the problem as a mutual dispute. Refuse threats and insults,
but recognize justified objections.
3. Never surrender to an attack by a dream figure. Take up a
posture that shows you will defend yourself. Stare them in the
eye. If a fight is unavoidable, try to overcome them but not kill
them. Offer a reconciliation.
4. After reconciliation or stopping the dream figure, ask how
they might be able to help you. Or ask for a gift if they
recognize they have been wrong to torment you.
5. With children, it is very effective to teach them to call on a
super-hero friend or parent to help them in the dream.
Often people will share a nightmare or bad dream with a friend or
relative. If you are on the listening side, there are some simple
skills you can use to listen to the dreamer. Jeremy Taylor and
Gayle Delaney have been teaching these skills for years. They
both see the nightmare as a gift which can be unwrapped alone or
with the help of someone else.
Jeremy Taylor uses a variation of the "If this were my dream..."
technique originally developed by the famous dreamworker
Montague Ullman. With the "If this were my dream..." approach,
the listener at first does just that, listens without
interruption.
Then a few clarifying questions are asked, such as the color of a
coat, or the contents a box or the feeling in the dream at the
time. Any question that might call for an interpretation is
avoided, such as "What do you think the blue coat meant?"
Finally, the listener takes the dream as his or her own. John
Herbert has used this technique online and suggests that before
every sentence the thought "In my dream..." is kept in mind. Thus
as a listener I might say "In my dream, the blue coat reminds me
of something to cover myself with, as if I were cold." The
dreamer may or may not see this meaning in their own dream. By
taking the dream as one's own, the dreamer needn't worry so much
about someone imposing meaning on the dream. Taylor feels that we
should keep in mind that all dreams, even nightmares, come in the
service of healing and health. Any interpretation that does not
serve this view is simply wrong and inappropriate.
Gayle Delaney, one of the founding parents of the Association
for the Study of Dreams, suggests abandoning interpretations
altogether. Delaney has developed a dream interview system that
allows a listener to ask questions about a person's dreams
without getting involved in suggesting meanings at all.
Like Taylor, she recommends that the first step is careful
listening, showing empathy without interruption and allowing the
dreamer to feel comfortable.
She then suggests diagraming the dream. This involves outlining
the major actions, people, objects/animals/monsters and feelings.
The dreamer is then invited to describe without interpreting each
of these elements to the listener as if the listener were from
Mars or another planet. This way, usual assumptions are bypassed
and the dreamer can explain and explore the dream imagery more
deeply.
The listener can summaries and repeat or condense these and feed
them back to the dreamer so the dreamer feels sure the listener
has accurately heard the dream.
The listener can then encourage the dreamer to make bridges to
waking life. How are each of these elements like something in the
dreamer's life?
Usually this can be done by generalizing the function of the
image. If its a refrigerator, its a place to keep things cool,
and where in my life do I keep things cool? If its a car without
breaks, where in my life are there things in motion that I can't
stop? Finally, the interviewer might ask if there are
alternatives. If my life is like a car without breaks, how would
I like it differently?
Lucid Dreaming and Nightmares
AI believe the best place to deal with unpleasant dreams is in
their own context, in the dream world. We create our nightmares
out of the raw material of our own fears. Fears are expectations-
-why would we fear something we thought would never happen?"
Stephen Laberge
In part II we discussed techniques you can practice before going
to sleep or after waking up. But note one item here, while dream
monsters may frighten you emotionally, they are after all just
dreams. If you realized it was a dream, while you were dreaming,
then what could harm you?
In some ways, when we wake up, a similar reaction occurs. We
realize it is a dream. But researchers have found that this is
not the best or most satisfying approach:
"'Escaping' from a nightmare by awakening only suppresses your
conscious awareness of the anxiety-provoking imagery. You may
feel a certain relief, but like the prisoner who digs through his
prison wall and finds himself in the cell next door, you haven't
really escaped." Laberge & Rheingold
Finding a creative resolution is even easier when we realize that
it is a dream and we continue dreaming. This is what is called
"lucid dreaming".
Lucid dreaming occurs spontaneously in many dreamers, but it is
also a technique that can be learned. Though not as easy as the
previous techniques, it is often more fulfilling and worth the
effort to many dreamers. Though lucid dreaming became an object
of investigation in the 19th Century, its popular scientific
status was not obtained until the late 1970's, when Stephen
Laberge was able to demonstrate lucid dreaming in laboratory
conditions. This rise into mainstream science allowed others to
bring their research on lucidity and nightmares to the public.
Lucid dreaming researchers now have a variety of programs and
techniques for learning to have lucid dreams and it has become
one of the most popular topics on the Internet in the venues that
discuss dreams. Lucid dreaming is now even taught to children.
Techniques for increasing the frequency of lucid dreams vary with
the individual. There are many combinations of methods that work
for many people. Here are some ideas based on *Lucid Dreamer's
Quick Reference* by Lars Spivock:
* Throughout the day, ask yourself "Am I Dreaming?" and imagine
something wonderful you could be doing in your dream - this is
your dream goal. Use your watch or something you notice often as
a reminder to ask. Limit excitement, food, drink, and exercise
for several hours before bedtime. Drinking plain water, sex, and
small amounts of caffeine may be beneficial.
* Arrange your dream space with inspirational items. Keep your
journaling materials, writing or taping, bedding, and blinds in
good working order. In the hour before sleep, have only relaxing
thoughts and activities. Write the date and your goal dream in
your journal. Just before sleep, with your eyes closed, review
your goal dream and affirm to wake up after each dream.
* As you awaken from a dream, memorize it in detail before you
open your eyes or change your body position. Record it in your
journal. If you are not ready to fall back asleep, get up and do
something for a while.
* As you fall back asleep, repeatedly imagine your last dream,
recognizing that you are dreaming and guiding the outcome. Your
continuation of the dream may involve boldly confronting an
adversary. You can transform yourself into any object, animal or
human role. You can transform someone or something else in the
dream. You can apply elements from your goal dream.
* When you recognize you are dreaming, calmly enjoy the unfolding
of the dream. Optionally perform a reality test by levitating and
calmly begin guiding the outcome. When your lucidity begins to
fade away, spin your dream body and affirm to start your goal
dream when lucidity returns.
* Favor waking up to birdsongs instead of an alarm radio set to
the news. Upon waking, keep your eyes closed and remain
motionless for a few minutes while reviewing your dreams from the
night before. Then make your journal entries, even if only
fragments.
Have a relaxed attitude of acceptance towards the outcome. Sooner
or later you will be rewarded with better dream recall and
wonderful dreams.
Here are some ideas for goal dreams. You supply the important
specific details to suit yourself:
entertainment - fly to the moon or travel through time
romance - have a romantic encounter
healing - heal yourself or someone else
problem solving - solve a work-related or social problem
creativity - create a work of art
spirituality - talk to god
enlightenment - learn about yourself of the unconscious
out of body - visit another place or someone elses's dream
self-indugence - gluttony or shopping binges
sleep - end nightmares or dreamining dreams
The techniques of becoming lucid require some attention and
practice for most people. A whole array of technology has now
sprung up to assist with this process. Most of them work on the
same principle. A mask of some kind is worn during sleep. The
mask will detect when the sleeper enters REM or Rapid Eye
Movement Sleep and send a signal. This signal is usually light or
light and sound that is adjusted to be strong enough to enter
into the dream but not so strong as to wake the dreamer. As you
can imagine, the adjustment period may take some time. Next the
dreamer must practice learning to recognize the light and sounds
as a signal and not just incorporate the noise as a dream traffic
light or alarm clock. All these technologies are for assistance
only, and need to be combined with other instructional programs.
PRESCRIPTIONS FOR NIGHTMARES
Once you are lucid in a threatening dream situation, there are a
wide variety of paths to choice from. Laberge and Rheingold
suggest the following:
1. Theme: Being pursued
Response: Stop running. Turn to face the pursuer. This is in
itself may cause the pursuer to disappear or become harmless. If
not, try starting a conciliatory dialog with the character or
animal.
2. Theme: Being attacked
Response: Don't give in meekly to the attack or flee. Show your
readiness to defend yourself and then try to engage the attacker
in a conciliatory dialog. Alternatively, find acceptance and love
in yourself and extend this towards the threatening figure (see
Chapter 11).
3. Theme: Falling
Response: Relax and allow yourself to land. The "old wives' tale"
is false you will not really die if you hit the ground.
Alternatively, you can transform falling into flying.
4. Theme: Paralysis
Response: When you feel trapped, stuck or paralyzed, relax. Don't
allow anxiety to overcome your rationality. Tell yourself you are
dreaming and the dream will soon end. Let yourself go along with
any images that appear or things that happen to your body. None
of it will hurt you. Adopt an attitude of interest and curiosity
about what happens.
5. Theme: Being unprepared for an examination or speech
Response: First of all, you don't need to continue with this
theme at all. You can leave the exam or lecture room. However,
you might enhance your self confidence in such situations by
creatively answering the test questions or giving a spontaneous
talk on whatever topic suits you. Be sure to enjoy yourself. When
you wake up, you may want to ask yourself whether you should
actually prepare for a similar situation.
6. Theme: Being naked in public
Response: Who cares in a dream? Have fun with the idea. Some find
being naked in a lucid dream erotically exciting. If you wish,
have everyone else in the dream remove their clothes. Remember,
modesty is a public convention, and dreams are private
experiences.
Summary on Nightmare Help
While lucid dreaming allows us to control our dreams, it is
difficult for some to learn and may not deal with the underlying
causes. Dream exploration, keeping a dream journal or sharing
dreams with others are often enough and a good practice whether
one is having nightmares or not. Learning confrontation
techniques and lucid dream techniques will further help nightmare
sufferers and empower ourselves and our children in waking life
as well. If the nightmare persists or reoccurs, it may be time
to discuss this with a physician, especially since some drugs,
medication and illnesses can be a contributing cause of
nightmares.
It is useful to encourage young children to discuss their
nightmares with their parents or other adults, but they generally
do not need treatment. Having the child draw the nightmare, talk
with the frightening characters, fantasize changes in the
nightmare or learn to call on dream protectors and dream parents
will help the child feel safer and less frightened.
Ernest Hartmann has noted how the dream state is like therapy in
two special ways, they both are a safe place to make connections.
Dreams will play with everything we do and feel and it makes
connections with a wide variety thoughts, feeling and memories.
Some of these connections are bound be uncomfortable for us. But
to the degree we can see and make our dreams the safe place that
they are, is the degree to which these dream worlds will unfold
their treasures and the dream monsters will reveal their gifts.
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Passage: Nightmare Within, Nightmare Without
Richard Catlett Wilkerson
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" Let's suffer together. But let's not be stupid together."
Susan
Sontag
It has been a nightmare. I am disoriented, unsure how to respond
and fight back against monsters that are now gone. If they are
gone, why is my heart still beating at double speed? Why am I
afraid of the dark like a child? Why I am so unsure of who I am
and who I am going to be? Will my training in working with
dreams and nightmares help me?
The Torn Veil
There have been many collapses besides the New York Trade Center
Towers for those affected. There has been a collapse between the
personal and collective, and an enormous black carpet has been
rolled out to transport the dark celebrities across the void,
Rampaging bigotry, unleashed prejudice, cries of war against old,
known enemies in the frustration of a missing, current target. In
psychology this is called displacement, projection, psychosis.
Before 9-11-01 people would send in dreams and ask if the dream
meant their boyfriends were being faithful, if the dream was a
sign they were going to loose their teeth, or win the lottery.
More profoundly, people wondered whether their dreams meant they
were going to live in some kind of new way, get some kind of new
work or find a better alignment with the infinite. Dream workers
in general followed what Jung called a Subjective approach, where
the parts of the dream are treated as parts of oneself; the cane
we use to walk as a symbol of the supportive parts of ourselves,
the house down the block in the dream as a complex that houses
levels of inner feelings and patterns.
Now we send in dreams about airplane crashes, buildings on fire,
bombings, and being abducted by terrorists. The shared dreams
become a vehicle of expression, a portal between the individual
and collective across which each are giving expression. We are
turned inside-out. The outer world now internalized, the inner
world now externalized. The veil has been torn. Before we could
keep imagination in-there, and the world, out-there and hide in-
between all our theories about who we are and what the self
really might be. As Jung used to say, when wake up, we say we had
a dream, but when we are dreaming, we know that the dream has us.
The nightmare has us, at all levels. So what are these levels?
Personal and Collective Shadows
This brings up the Jungian notion of the Shadow. Usually the
Shadow is somewhat like Freud's unconscious, corresponding to
things we are, but would rather die than admit and hate in
others. Work with the Shadow involves not just admitting that we
have this other dark side we keep repressed, but finding creative
ways of engaging and expressing this side. But Jung also talked
about Collective Shadow. It is almost like the Shadow is a cone
or triangle that spreads out from the personal tip to the wider
base of collective realm. With the help of therapists, friends
and small groups we can deal with the personal Shadow, but it
takes a whole society to deal with the Collective Shadow. Here we
are talking things we don't like to talk about as a culture, like
the production and use of atomic weapons, the continued
repression of minorities, the marginalization of women, and the
imperialistic support of regimes around the world that also
support these and other repressive policies.
Clearly the tragic events of 9-11-01 have brought the United
States and other societies together and offer us the opportunity
to make large cultural changes. However, dreamwork teaches us
that destroying the Shadow is not the best approach. It is a
temporary solution to an eternal problem. We don't solve eternal
problems; we come into relationship with them in a way that
allows something better than the day before. The calls to war
and the unity of the USA Congress don't comfort me nor show me a
creative relation with the problem. Terrorism needs to be routed
and dismantled wherever it is found, but turning our society into
a lock box watched by Big Brother will, in the end, ruin rather
than strengthen our security. Going beyond our own laws of
justice and due process (such as attacking sovereign nations
without an international tribunal) can only harm the larger
projects of global tolerance, peace, ecology and equal
opportunity for all.
As with nocturnal nightmare monsters, we do teach children to
confront and contain them. But even more essentially, we teach
them to find out what they want and why they are pursuing us in
the first place.. With adults, we are called to deal with
nightmares more maturely and profoundly, to begin to allow
ourselves to suffer the depths of pain of the monsters after us,
learning that the problem is not resolvable like magic, but only
in participation at a deeper level. As Susan Sontag said about
unity during this crisis " Let's suffer together. But let's not
be stupid together." [ Let's Look Reality in the Face. By Susan
Sontag Monday, September 17, 2001 (Le Monde )]
Speaking vs Doing
On many of the online discussion lists where people are
discussing the current events, someone will inevitably appear and
say "I'm sick of all this talk, what good is it, it doesn't
change a thing."
While I understand the frustration in these kinds of outbursts, I
feel they are completely incorrect. The division of thinking,
speaking and doing is artificial. Thinking, feeling, speaking and
acting are all ways of doing something, each have their own set
of real forces, and each have a vital role to play in the
creation of a viable psycho-social environment. When we engage
the nightmare at all levels, we create the most productive
outcome. When we restrict the processes we suffer from this
repressive organization. And in democracies, discussion leads
directly to voting.
Thinking in New Ways
In the philosophy of Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, there is
a three part process in productive creation and all three parts
need to be given legitimate expression for forces and desire to
give their fullest expression to the world. In the first part of
a process there needs to be conductive production of connections.
We need to break into the old flows and create new flows. New
flows of ideas, of dreams, of hopes, of cultural objects, of
economies, of genes, of everything or anything, need to be
produced. When these flows are restricted, as in singular
interpretations, or the running of jets full of humans into
buildings, the process may be said to be illegitimate and need to
be subverted and transversed.
In the second part of the process, all these connections stop
for a moment and blossom around the field created by the
connections. Like an million points that contain the reflections
of the moment as well as seeds of potentials for the future, they
also register alternative connections, fractal variations, and
multiply these relations to infinity.
Finally, in the last part of the process, consciousness and
subjectivity are produced corresponding to the networks created
in the previous parts of the process. This means that things can
go awry. If restrictive codes are placed on the connections or
their relational networks, the subjects that will be produced
will lack breadth and width, and we will simply produce little
soldiers, or repetitions of the same in our society. Rather, we
need nomadic subjectivity that can traverse complex and disparate
planes. We need people can that will help transform the nightmare
into something we can all wear.
We have already the illegitimate use of the connective synthesis
on a global scale. Terrorism which reduces rather than multiplies
connections risks turning the target into a vengeful war machine
with limited paths. The WTC has become a vortex of blackness
which has collapsed in on itself and is sucking the world down
with it. All connections now are being interpreted through its
field. Nothing further can really be done at this level at this
time. But after an illegitimate field of connections is made,
there is a moment of anti-connectivity. All connections stop and
a field of disjunctive syntheses are produced. During the second
synthesis there is a chance for virtual relations to multiply the
potential connections rather than close down and restrict them.
We can see this happening in the discussions around the world.
If Liberty is to ring particularly far, our discussions are
needed to re-establish networks across which our nomads can carry
its message everywhere. Here is a long quote from the end of an
article by Slavoj Zizek, an advocate of French psychotherapist
Jacques Lacan:
"We don't yet know what consequences in economy, ideology,
politics, war, this event will have, but one thing is sure: the
US, which, till now, perceived itself as an island exempted from
this kind of violence, witnessing this kind of things only from
the safe distance of the TV screen, is now directly involved. So
the alternative is: will Americans decide to fortify further
their "sphere," or to risk stepping out of it? .
Therein resides the true lesson of the bombings: the only way to
ensure that it will not happen HERE again is to prevent it going
on ANYWHERE ELSE." [From "Welcome to the Desert of the Real!"]
But how can one transform a whole culture to be involved in re-
making a whole world?
Cultural Akido
When a person fully confronts a nightmare, they end up
transforming not only "Monster" but also themselves and the
conditions in which both the monster and the self exist. Can
this happen in the outer world? Some would say it has to, but not
in all the way we would first expect.
On the Psychoanalysis of Culture & Society
<APCSLIST@LISTSERV.KENT.EDU> discussion list this theorist Gary
Kucher suggested that instead of re-establishing the fantasy of
re-balancing the world and the cycle of violence, instead of
propping it back up the same old way, something else is called
for. I agreed and feel we need something I am calling Cultural
Aikido. Aikido does not focus on striking of one's opponent, but
on using their energy to develop a whole new trajectory. Although
the fantasy of "balance" is included this move, its not a fantasy
of returning to the same, but of transforming the whole
situation. I am thinking we need to use this attack to
transform Western culture. We need to repeat our differences, not
repeat the same cycle of violence.
I personally would like to see dream sharing as a kind of
everyday activity practiced in social sphere instead of just the
clinical sphere. But this is just one of the marginalized human
activities that are involved in the transformation of a culture
whose values are exchange values that align themselves across a
wide and abstract market economy.
Just what would it mean to transform Western Culture? There is a
monumental task here in even outlining the major areas of social
injustice, ecological havoc, repressive political supports and
wastes of time and money in the military industrial complex that
might be candidates for reform and transformation.
For Carl Jung, the individual was both the culprit and its
salvation. Thus we have all that stuff about the ego outlaw vs
the ego aligned with the Self. Western culture becomes then the
story of the ego going its own way (from the original godhead and
out of the Garden Of Eden) and first creating havoc and then
eventually being led back to the right path by various heroes,
saviors, teachers, rimoches, gurus, sayhks, gnostics and mystic
experiences of the Self and so on. Jung was, in my reading,
heavily focused on the individual working out individuation
through very introverted campaigns that might occasionally
involve quite intense relationships with others, but only a very
few and very intimate others.
I like this approach, but don't see it as very applicable to any
but the most socially fortunate of individuals who live at the
top of Maslow's hierarchy. Jung is more of an example of an
achieved state than a means to acquire it. Fortunate people who
have the time and leisure to pursue individuation may become
leaders and movers in larger movements, but they are hardly
likely to start an international movement where waves of
Americans join the bandwagon and become troops of Jungian
analysands.
My guess is that the transformation lays elsewhere. I think we
saw it in its Anima/Erzatz enlightment form during the late 20th
Century in the Utopias created by the cyber-generation. I say
"Anima" form as there was a glimpse of Self Decending/Ascending
which now seems to be a cyber-fantasy that failed. Not because
the capital adventures failed, but because they were not
exceeded. The [radical] hope of the New Economy was not to put
cash in everyone's pocket as you hear on TV, but to be able to
push capital markets off the charts and make capitalism obsolete
as we accelerated the abstract exchange market into orbit and
began to trade on real human potential.
OK, so the alchemical cyber-vessel couldn't sustain the heat
long enough for this transformation to obtain. There wasn't
enough of what was needed culturally in the way of working with
very large projections and re-owning them before they failed and
left the USA without an ideal. And it's a capital ideal that is
still the god, as we know when we use rhetoric like faith in the
markets and the trust and hope of its investors. OK, I accept
that the hoped for Cyber-Utopia was only glimpsed and not fully
constellated. But a whole generation of children and young adults
got to see it for a second or two and like other generations that
see their own collective visions, they will now have to work out
just what that means, and what the Shadow of global
communications means.
Cultural transformation in Western Society. How will we bring
together all the things that make life meaningful, all those
things that live outside of capital economy (dreams, loves,
spirit, non-consumables) into a peaceable kingdom with a system
that values things only in terms of their status and exchange
value without one gobbling up the other? This is the problem,
poorly stated. If Jungian Hegelian dialectics are applicable,
then the answer is that we *don't* try to solve this problem, but
go to the ends of these opposites and suffer them to the point
that the transcendent third emerges. This is what Jung, as his
best, did with dream symbolism. For Jung, symbols were the best
possible expression of something that consciousness could not
quite yet get. These living symbols, like dream images, held
together opposites that the waking consciousness cannot yet
tolerate or understand. The dreamwork wasn't so much about saying
directly what these symbols were, but rather talking around them,
creating contexts and relations that would be vessels strong
enough to hold the emerging consciousness long enough for it to
mature into full awareness and embodiment. If a vessel is not
created, the meaning of the images sinks back into the
unconscious, only to be acted out and projected onto others.
It is still unclear if our culture is mature enough to handle
holding this amount of tension, or if it will regress into one
pole of violence or isolationism.
Yet in a way, the crazy media society we live in is attempting
to do this in a way I have not seen before. More people than
usual are trying to avoid quick answers, vengeful responses and
polarizing characterizations. People are trying to educate
themselves about Afghanistan in a hurry, about Osama bin Laden,
about Islam and what others are saying, about what other
countries are thinking and feeling, both allies and non-allies.
Never before have we had an information center like the Internet
to look up information about topics we normally wouldn't bother
to research. And more, to immediately discuss these topics
online.
For those of us interested in dreams, we are already aware of the
benefit of sharing a person's dream, whether it is our own or
someone else's. Many groups online, such as the Jung lists,
Electric Dreams Dreamwheel, Dream Chatters, DreamShare, and the
ASD E-Study groups are using dream images to talk about this
global situation in unique ways. However, discussing politics
via dream groups is still somewhat of an esoteric activity.
Though I feel Jung will never obtain the status of general
cultural awareness, I do hope that dream sharing will obtain this
status someday. We all dream and it is a natural way that the
mind explores options, often the unique options we need to create
a sane global society.
Something like this aspect of dreaming is occurring globally in
the virtual community of discussions. All the connections that
have piled up on my body and psyche, or around this fantasy
created by the media and senses, get rejected, pushed away,
driven off the surface of thing/no-thing, get bounced off the
wall of the limit. As they are rejected they stop connecting for
a moment and begin reflecting, begin setting up a kind of network
around the inner hidden theme and begin inter-connecting or at
least registering the possible connections and multiplying the
relations between them. The nightly dream, one might say, follows
one or more of these alternative pathways and ends up a story in
the morning. But during the night, the dream is replete with
partial objects, not yet formed beings and pre-personal flows and
breaks in the flow. Ideas, emotions, images and connections
swarm.
This is even the definition of successful therapy in
psychoanalytic jagon. Once the patient is able to free associate
again without getting swamped, they are released from the
complex. When PSTD combat trauma victims have repeating
nightmares, they are caught in a cycle of horror and terror. When
they begin working with their dreams, they eventually see
changes, mutation, and differences in the dream. Along with these
changes come changes in the terror until the dreamworld and
individual psyche again begin to flow without the terrible
repetitions of the same.
Can this happen at a cultural level, a cross-cultural level? Can
a society be like a deeply wounded person and not be able to roll
with the punches and transform the aggression without simply
duplicating it?
Passage
Cultural Aikido and social transformation don't have a lot of
models from the past to draw upon. Most modern societies are hewn
from violent actions and reactions to other societies. But if we
take these lessons from dreamwork, (holding the tension
consciously and learning to multiply our relations) some
suggestions appear. The first is that groups and individual's
with answers for the whole world are likely to dangerous. This is
a collective as well as personal issue. Governments are likely to
be off target. Societies are likely to make the wrong move. In
fact, any organization at this time is missing the point, the
point that extracting one link from the signifying chain and
allow that one link to determine the meaning for the whole chain
exceeds the boundaries of its legitimate determinations and
creates cycles of repetition of the same. We are in a period of
transition, in passage. All the flux and flow, all the energy and
planning, all the channeling of activity and talk that is taking
place is most legitimate if allowed to expand and multiply.
Premature closure on meaning, pre-emptive strikes on sovereign
nations, hasty handing over of power to a few individuals closes
down our power to make relationships and limits the expression we
can give to the world.
During the Kosovo Crisis I was running an online grassroots dream
sharing group. People share their recorded nocturnal dreams and
follow various processes to give meaning to them. One of the
participants was a Serbian woman. She was a pacifist, but many
people signed off the list in protest anyway. For those of us who
stayed and went through the process, something special emerged, a
kind of field or plane, a portal through which we all passed that
seemed quite different than strong Right and Left rhetoric
infected individuals and groups. I think this came from being
able to tolerate suffering and difference, being able to hold off
reactive conductive connections that would simply repeat the
patterns of behavior we were taught. Still, I feel we didn't do
much for the victims. We changed something small in both
cultures, but something in the small group process was still
missing. This was only one group making a passage, not a whole
culture.
There IS NO ANSWER I want you to accept about all this. The
agenda I am pushing if for you to ~avoid~ having a single answer
and to make networks of relations, create polyvocal channels of
patterns, strengthen resolves to stay unresolved, to be able to
tolerate as much of this horror as you can, to go to the ends of
the problem and suffer their disconnections as long as possible.
Note this is not the same as despair, not the same as retreat,
not the same as catatonia. It is an opus contra naturam, a work
against the nature of regression. Avoid getting juiced by the
military state war machine and blowing me up. Instead, blow my
mind with the new relations we are going to create.
A horror/miracle portal has opened and we are not yet across. We
are in passage.
Richard Wilkerson,
September 21, 2001
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Dreams about the terrorist attacks on NY and DC
Selected by Richard Wilkerson and the Dream Community
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Below are two sections of dreams. The first are dreams people
reported that were before the attack on NY and DC on 9-11-2001
and that people felt were related to the event. The Second
section contains selections from nightmares and dreams recorded
and distributed online after 9-11-01.
-Richard
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1. Precognitive dreams about the Attack
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Trapped in a Building - by D
Source: Stan Krippner.
I am trapped in a building. It is as if people have turned
against one another. I restrain another man who is losing his
mind. I have hope that someone will enter the building from the
outside--will rescue us--but when people do, they are mad also.
People are throwing things to try to kill one another. It is as
if war has broken out in everyday life. I break out of the
building. It looks like a "Mad Max" film. People are covered
with pancake makeup so thick it looks like flour...
I did not recall this dream on Tuesday until I saw pictures of
the ash covering people in the streets of New York.
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source: from dream-flow:
Dream Title precognitive dream from nette, the
mystic
detective
Date of Dream during the week of September 11, 2000
Dream Last year, September 11, 2000:
Nightmares following the birth of Sept. 4 - I am in a high rise
and I see an airplane outside get struck by lightning. It is
drifting into flames around tall buildings near my window, Mala?
Airlines? As it starts to hit the building I feel pressure all
around me and I start to freak out. Why did I have to go through
such painful labour only to die minutes later?
In light of Tuesday's tragedy: I can remember the dream and how I
felt, looking out of the window and watching the plane from the
inside of the building. Mala? Lightning was wrong or
misinterpretation of flames.
Comments by Dreamer I had given birth to my first son on
September 4, 2000 and in the week that followed had a series of
intense dream experiences, all accompanied by strong physical
sensations like I felt in this dream, a pressure around my body
pulling me down. I am not sure when I had the dream exactly, but
I do know I entered it in my computer dream journal on September
11th of last year.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments I am glad I have found a place to share
this
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Dream Title Never in America
Date of Dream 8/30
Dream About two weeks ago I dreamed that I was
in a large one story building waiting to board a plane to China.
The Chinese began bombing. I could see planes filling the air
and bombs were dropping everywhere. I hid under a cot in a back
room. I remember being terrified, but also completely stunned
that this was happening in the U.S.
The Chinese then began tying the hands of some of the people that
were in the front room and taking them away. The rest of us they
let go.
I was very shaken by this dream. When I awoke I remembered it
vividly.
Comments by Dreamer This was not a common dream setting or
theme for me. The most important feature of the dream was not
it's imagery or the action, but the strong emotions I felt. The
terror, anguish, and above all the shock and disbelief that this
was happening here. That is why I feel the dream was prophetic
although the details were very different from actual events.
When I awoke Tuesday morning to hear of the events that had
occured I immediately thought of this dream, because the feelings
were the same.
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Finger sliced by cardboard cutter - by JH
Before the event I have had several nightmares - that have
personal dimensions related to my own challenges, but they also
suggest perhaps a keying in to the collective. One dream a week
before Sept 11 - was me looking through the inside of a burning
plane. As I am in NZ I was of course asleep and dreaming as the
terrorism was happening. I dreamed I was amongst dangerous forces
- people with very dark eyes. There was a conspiracy. Then I was
running in a building trying to escape something terrifying. It
felt like Russia. Everything was in a state of collapse. I open a
door I expect to be locked and go through to a back door -
looking for someone to help me.
An Arab man comes towards me and slices my finger slowly and
definitely with a cardboard cutter. It was senselessly cruel and
unexpected. Most of the night I tossed and turned - waking a lot.
I awoke uncharacteristically early and turned on the radio to
hear the news. I was stunned.
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Date: 2001-9-11, about 8 a.m. EST (roughly 1 hour before the
terrorist
attacks on WTC, Pentagon)
Title: Person w/ questionable "Aerospace Engineer" passport
I'm at the airport as an employee, it seems, and there's
this person there who at first I think is some guy that we've
been hanging or working with for the morning perhaps. He hands
his resume/passport to the person at the security stand, and it's
a few printed sheets of fanfold paper. It looks like it may have
come off of some old printer. It seems quite suspicious for some
reason, and I think the other security woman there that I'm
working with feels this too. I grab a copy of it and walk to the
side, looking at it also in private. I forget the name, but the
occupation says "Aerospace Enginineer". The whole thing seems
questionable as I read it over and I wonder if this isn't a fraud
passport. I come back out to where the person is and to where my
colleague, the main security woman is. I tell her my thoughts
privately on the passport sheets and suggest that we check this
person out with the officials. The questionable person is now
more of a younger dark, straight-haired woman (used to be more
like a man, I believe). I know the person somehow as an
acquaintance and s/he seems to be wondering what's up. I am not
at ease telling her/him the truth that we are investigating
her/him. After a little, these two customs officers come and talk
to her and ask her if she has any stocks or options. They walk
away before she even answers to check some other things. I ask
her if I heard right about what they said, and I know she now
knows that she's under investigation. I leave and go aside for a
bit. Later, I feel like I would rather be honest with her and let
her know that I encouraged the other security woman to have her
checked out. (C.W., Montreal, Qc)
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It is with deep sadness that I relate my premonition which
occurred 24
hours before this terrible nightmare of terrorism. At 4 AM PST
(7AM
EST) I
awoke on Monday morning Sept. 10th, 2001. I'd had a dream about
New
York City. I had an awful sense of foreboding and panic in my
body. The U.S. is very vulnerable to an air attack similar to
WWII was the message. An airplane would dive/crash into a
building. It was imminent and very destructive. The impending
doom feeling stayed with me. I actually called 911 to see what
was going on. When I finally went back to sleep briefly, I awoke
with the tragic sense of danger and I almost blurted out to
several school moms in the morning, but I kept it to myself. I
tucked it away that afternoon, feeling a little foolish at how it
had really affected me and my perception of how easily a tragedy
could happen. Until this morning, when I was not surprised at
what happened, but shocked at how much the magnitude of what had
happened matched that internal sense of impending destructive
doom that I'd felt the day before. I think it's important to
acknowledge this and it's difficult to talk about but necessary.
May they rest in peace. Athough, I've had premonitions before,
this is certainly the biggest and strongest esp. in the feeling
of WWII vulnerability. It was actually the course of events when
I awoke from an inviting dream on Monday about New York City that
began the premonition. I thought I'd heard the sound of an
airplane flying above. I was overcome with a terror/panic that
was quite remarkable. For some reason it felt like WWII, that
America could be attacked and that a plane would dive/crash into
a building intentionally. I cannot emphasize enough, the
magnitude of the feeling--that it was imminent danger and it felt
overwhelming. Also, that the feeling continued to stay with me on
Monday upon awakening again. When I called 911 to see what was
going on and they assured me that there was a helicopter search
being conducted for a fugitive in the neighborhood. The
interesting aspect to this part is that prior to living here, I'd
lived two blocks from a trauma hospital which constantly had
helicopters transporting trauma victims to their site. So,
naturally, I was used to hearing helicopters. (C.F., Santa Rosa,
CA)
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Rox
I certainly have noticed that MANY people here and in other dream
groups have had a number of dreams involving a huge tragedy
lately. I thought something was going on. I think this is only
the beginning.
My mother has had recurring dreams about buildings collapsing,
also I had one last night about my mother and I running through a
horrible lightning storm, drenching pouring rain, fog so thick
you could barely see through it, trying not to get hit by the
lightning from above.
I think it does nothing but reinforce the fact that what's done
to one, is done to all.
Praying for all thse in DC,
Pittsburgh, NYC.
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Here's a prediction I posted over a month ago on the
sygyzyjob.net website when I assumed my dream meant an
Earthquake;
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Date: July 29, 2001 at 03:03:34
From: D.P.,
Subject: Fall/Winter,New York,7.7,80%
Has anybody else out there had a premonition dream of an
earthquake hitting New York? I had my dream about 2:33 AM, July
29th, 2001.
In the dream I was watching the Today Show on my TV and Katie
Couric was talking. All of the sudden everything at the Today
Show studio shook and the TV signal from New York blacked out and
immediately cut back to local advertisements. I also felt my
house shake a little bit in the dream because I live in Michigan
and quakes in the Eastern U.S. travel for quite a ways.
I also saw periodic cut-ins into the local broadcasts by Katie
doing a remote hook-up from a television truck and she was
talking about 10,000 people dying in a building. Either she was
talking about the Empire State Building or the World Trade
Center. In the dream the quake was very devastating because she
could barely hold her emotions together on the air and in the
background of the TV image I could see huge open spaces where
tall skyscrapers once stood and one tall skyscraper billowing
smoke from all of it's broken windows. While Katie was
interviewing some survivors, more aftershocks hit the city and
knocked out the TV transmissions once more.
I usually don't write about dreams and I usually don't dream
about far away places, but this dream stuck out because it scared
the "you know what" out of me.
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My jaw hit the floor when I turned on the TV this morning.
Here's the link to my premonition;
http://www.syzygyjob.net/prediction/messages/1596.html
Yours truly,Daniel Perez
(Earthquake devastates NY, including World Trade Center
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Source: alt.dreams
Ok first of all Im 31, not a crazy, I hold a great job, live a
normal life ( hehe i think ) and have a pretty happy disposition.
And this is the first time i've ever even visited a newsgroup
like this. Before I tell you what my dream was about I'll
explain that all
through my life I consider i've had 2 types of dreams. One type
is what i think is the normal type, sometimes wierd, sometimes
great, sometimes scary.. but i usually remember them in the
morning and a day later they are forgotten.
Then there are these other types, they are much more detailed,
they make me feel things long after (sometimes years)and for some
reason i dont know they just seem to mean alot more to me. They
are often of situations or places I have never been in or
visited.
Ok, now ive got that out the way, ( oh btw im in sydney,
australia) the night before the trade center attack ( it was
about 11pm here in Australia) I had 2 dreams that i can remember
vividly.
The first was of an absolutely beautiful location. There were
lots of green trees, 2 big roads, some low rise buildings that
had quite an old look to them. the streets were very long and
quite wide. but the wierd thing was there was not a car, not a
person ... nothing in sight. I was walking slowly around this
area thinking 'wow this feels soooo amazing to be the only person
here'.
I didnt wonder why i was alone, just that it was very cool to be
all by myself in this beautiful area. If I had to draw it now I
could recreate it quite well.
So obviously when i woke up i thought, cool, but didnt think
anything of it at all.
The 2nd one was MUCH weirder. I felt like i was in space, maybe
on board a ship or something, but there were no visual clues, so
i dont know why i thought this. I was in a big room that was
very sci-fi'y, cant remember much detail except that there was an
object just hovering in space, or it was against the wall. It
was a white, or clear looking small pentagon. As i watched it i
knew something bad was going to happpen, then all of a sudden it
turned black, just like it would if it was a bit of paper and
someone had put a cigarette lighter underneath it.
When it turned black i can remember an overpowering emotion of
... shit, this is really really bad, petrol, explosion, gota get
out !!!! (btw this image looked only really a few inches long and
wide )
I ran out these 2 doors behind me, they were those typical big
chunky metal doors that you see on sci fi shows, as i ran out
they slammed shut! i remember catching my breath and thinking
'WOW thank god i got out that thing was bad and i could have
died' thats when i woke up.
so obviously the next morning (12 hours or so before the attack )
i thought NOTHING of those dreams except that they had that
'other dream' type feeling.
All day at work i kept thinking 'I am sooo crazy, i bet no one
else here has dreams like this... what is so strange about my
brain that i have dreams like this .... what a waste of mental
power to have dreams that are sooo pathetic with no meaning at
all'
then that night the attack happened... i saw it live on the news
as the 2nd plane hit ..and was chatting on the phone to an
american friend here in sydney. At this stage nothing clicked at
all.
Then the next morning still no connection... then at lunch... i
think i saw an image of the pentagon from the air.. u know.. the
only angle that it actually looks like a pentagon... then all of
a sudden BAM!!! i put the 2 together.
I actually felt scared and freaked out completely. All the
emotions of the dream to night before came flooding back. I told
a few people and they were like 'yeah yeah.. blah blah' and
couldnt have seemed to care less, but inside i knew there must
have been some connection.
so there ya go, ive had plently of these 'abstract' dreams
before, and never connected them to anything but for the 1st time
in my life it all seemed to make sense. The funny thing was ..
even when i saw the shape of the pentagon in the dream... i never
even once thought of the building. Maybe if i lived in the u.s.
and the pentagon was more a part of my life i may have thought
something of it.
I would love anyone who has any experience in these sort of
dreams to reply. anyway ive carried on long enuf... cya.
simon.
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reply to simon by "c"
Source: alt.dreams
Your not alone. I also have many such dreams. I seem to dream of
a plane crashes before they happen. This has happened on several
occasions. But the actual crashes always occur in the same way as
in my dreams. Unfortunately, the dreams seam to have no real
predictive value. The plane in my dreams is not always the same
type of plane that crashes, and the location of the site is only
a very general. For example, if it crashes near a road in my
dream, then it crashes near a road the next day or two. But there
is never indication as to what city or even state.
The last dream I had was a couple of days ago, before the tragic
event. I dreamt I was a passenger (this is the first time I was a
passenger in a plane crash in a dream) in an airliner. The ride
seemed turbulant, and I started to think that we were in trouble.
The plane suddenly lost control and started to head nose first
into the ground. I thought, "Oh boy, we're in trouble". I went
into the cockpit to find out if I could do anything, and I saw
the pilot trying to avoid hitting the road. He aimed for a
treeline just off the road. When we hit the ground, the plane
bounced off the ground all the way into a comfortable flying
altitude, and the pilot regained control and everybody cheered
and clapped, as nobody was hurt. That's the gist of the dream.
There were other goings on, but I don't want to get too long
winded.
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Some dreams from my dream journal that may relate to the horrible
events:
May 12-13, 01 Dream: "In France, two of us. Acting of a war
event"
(On Sept. 9th, my wife and I arrived in France to visit
relatives, and
returned on Sept. 15th.)
Aug 30-31, 01 Dream: "I seem to be going to B's funeral or wake.
S
is there, looking. I try to consol him. Suddenly it rains.
Lightning bolts hit nearby...."
Then on Sept. 6-7, 01 Dream "I'm with some others at night,
traveling.
We get to a place between two towns and watch a lightning storm.
The
lightning is hitting some radio and TV towers -- people exclaim.
Finally the rain comes our way and we go inside a building.
Inside,
we talk about it."
Here again, the image of lightning bolts appears, which is a
personal
symbol of death. In this case, the lightning is hitting radio
and tv
'towers' -- I learn of the twin towers collapse via the tv and
radio.
I believe, but did not record in my last dream, that someone says
the
words, "Nine, One One". When I awoke, I recalled thinking that
it was
odd way to include "911" because it wasn't about calling 911;
rather
it was simply 9, 1,1. As it happened, Sept. 11 or 9-11 was the
date of
tragedies.
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9-12-01 "Searching the Rubble" by dreambat
source: Electric Dreams
I am with a group of people searching through the wreak of a
large area and several buildings. The buildings seem to be in
Colorado Springs and have collapsed on the side of a hill over a
zoo. We all seem to be aware that there was also a terrorist
attack in NY and DC, and this is somehow part of it. I am helping
the group, they seems to be like firefighters, but they are also
connected with the FBI.
I am trying to find crevices that I can get into. Some are too
unstable, others too little. I feel guilty about some of the less
stable rubble that I won't go into.
Up the hill, someone says they have found her. I go up the
hill as a group extracts a kind of dog/coyote/wolf from the
rubble. The creature is from the zoo and seemed to be blinded by
the dust and can't understand that the rescuers are trying to
help and is howling and crying, sometimes snarling and nipping
the fireman lifting her up.
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Dream Title Nice Terroists - anonymous from
Source: Electric Dreams (dream-flow@yahoogroups.com)
Date of Dream 9/13/01 @ 3am-8am
Dream Well it started out on a strange and
foreign beach with three men i didn't know. Then two of them
dissapeared and one skinny,pale and periced one was left. We
were strongly attracked to eachother and we then had very
uncomfortale sex. Then it fades into a wood paneled room where
there are 4 tan men who are deffinately from the middle east. My
four month old son is there with me they tell me that they may
let me go after they finish making the bomb. It's real dark and
damp in this room. Well they tell me i can go but then one of
them comes in and says i cant leave they still need a hostage.
Then it fades to a large house that has a large stero system
playing some music, what kind i can't remember. But there's also
this slide/ride type huge thing. Me and about five or six people
who are my friends,but i have never met these people, we are
playing on this slide thing. One of the guys is my boyfriend we
chase eachother and then kiss, i feel content and happy. Then the
terroists come back and take me. well some how i then become the
guy who was my boyfriend.He runs to try and escape. He jumps out
of a bath room window and then on top of a van he falls through
the roof of the van and see's me lying there tied up and then we
look at eachother, the terroists open the doors on the back of
then van and then i wake up.
Comments by Dreamer The dream felt really real. I want to
say that these terroist were really nice to me or i got that
feeling. i don't know how it relates to my life right now except
to say it my just be things that have been on my mind.
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source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title Never in America
Date of Dream 8/30
Dream About two weeks ago I dreamed that I was
in a large one story building waiting to board a plane to China.
The Chinese began bombing. I could see planes filling the air
and bombs were dropping everywhere. I hid under a cot in a back
room. I remember being terrified, but also completely stunned
that this was happening in the U.S.
The Chinese then began tying the hands of some of the people that
were in the front room and taking them away. The rest of us they
let go.
I was very shaken by this dream. When I awoke I remembered it
vividly.
Comments by Dreamer This was not a common dream setting or
theme for me. The most important feature of the dream was not
it's imagery or the action, but the strong emotions I felt. The
terror, anguish, and above all the shock and disbelief that this
was happening here. That is why I feel the dream was prophetic
although the details were very different from actual events.
When I awoke Tuesday morning to hear of the events that had
occured I immediately thought of this dream, because the feelings
were the same.
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source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title Woiseu
Date of Dream 9/12/01;9/13/01
Dream I have had 2 nightmares since the
attack. The first night was basically many people being rounded
up, and being moved in a large ring. We could see the people
shooting at us. I think everyone in the dream was female.
My mother was also in the dream, but not involved in helping me.
Most of the dream is unorganized.
The next night my dream again inlcuded a group I was in, smaller,
moving through a dark building. There were spiders. A large one
dug it's fangs into my hand. It was inevitable that one would get
me because they were all over.
Comments by Dreamer I often have spiders in my nightmares,
they often bite me, and sometimes represent another person -
being obvious in the dream...
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source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title Illegal Seagulls, Emily
Source: Electric Dreams
Date of Dream Saturday, 9/15, 7:00 a.m.
Dream I dreamed I was designing a web page for
a course and it was a page of road map-like areas and mostly I
was trying to fit together the shapes, colors and sizes so they
were aesthetically pleasing to me. There was one section toward
the top where I had animated seagulls flying to and fro. I asked
my brother to look at what I had made and he pointed out I
couldn't use the animated seagulls because they were "illegal"
and that sort of animation could not be used. I argued that I
was taking a course and so it was different, I could use them to
show I knew how as I may need to use them in the future. He
replied that the newer software and forms of animation coming out
had made this older form obsolete and it would never be used
again. I was turning it "off" in my coding and
deleting it when I awoke.
Comments by Dreamer I live between Baltimore and Washington
and worked at the Pentagon during the 1970's. Currently I'm
taking web design courses at the University of Maryland. In
another online forum the night before this dream, we were
discussing how the plane which crashed into the Pentagon may have
been "lost" and only decided on the Pentagon because it happened
to be there and the hijackers knew it.
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source: Electric Dreams
These are two dreams I had since the 11th. by JB
This one was almost exactly 24 hours after the attack (afternoon
nap at 3pm South African time).
I am walking across a field and I look up and see a low-flying
plane. It is painted red and blue. Red on one side with blue
stars and blue on the other with red stars. It flies over me and
then rears up in the sky and loops over back towards the ground.
As it turns above me I know that I must run, but I can't work
out which way to run. It hits the ground behind me and debris
scatters towards me. I finally start running, uphill, with
dream-deadened legs. As I run, I am expecting an explosion behind
me.
This one was this morning (Saturday 15th about 6am SA time). I am
with my son. Some disaster has killed his entire class at school.
I am standing around watching as they are buried. They are all
being piled into a single huge coffin. Little toes sticking out
of the end of body-bags. I am thinking of how bright and alive
they seemed when they visited and wondering how my son is
managing to keep functioning. He's quiet, but not upset. I think
perhaps he has not yet realised what has happened - or just that
it is too enormous to comprehend. I'm really struggling to get my
head around the idea of so many dead children.
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source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title Fighting Back- by Bluefoot
Date of Dream 9-14-01
Dream I am at the house I grew up in, there is
chaos in the streets with armed terrorists raiding my town and
killing people. My house is already full of bodies and
everything is broken, looks like... well, a war zone, which it
is. Myself and a girl I used to work with are peering out into
the street through venetian blinds, hoping terrorists won't see
us and come kill us. I decide to prepare myself. I pick up a
broomstick, and a tin can. I start thinking and I want to melt
down a lot of lead (not sure where i would get said lead...),
pour it into the tin can and set the broomstick in it until it
cools and hardens, then use this creation as a mace to bash some
terrorist skulls in. I don't have time to do all this, however,
because one of them kicks in the door when all i've got is the
broomstick. I throw the broomstick at him, he starts throwing
knives at me, which i dodge, then he throws some throwing stars,
i manage to dodge most of them, catch the rest and throw them
back. Then he throws one that gets embedded in my forehead,
which hurts. He laughs and says "Now you're dead!" But i'm not
dead and i say "Not quite yet...", pull the throwing star out of
my skull and throw it back again... Then it moves on to me being
pursued by the FBI because they think I am in league with the
terrorists. A bit later I run into my ex-girlfriend's father and
he tells me how i've ruined the world... the sun is setting, the
clouds are burning with big towers of flame.
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source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title Beau Bridges (S.G)
Date of Dream 9/12/01
Dream A very small dream fragment a few days
after the tragedy to our country and the devastation to so many
people:
No dialogue...just a close up of Beau Bridges. He looks straight
at me (the dreamer) then he's doing something with his hands,
below the camera's view. He comes up with an open lipstick tube,
and applies it (deftly) to his lips without the use of a mirror.
Then he smiles lightly, and looks directly at me again, and
smiles as if to say, "This is really important, get it!"
Comments by Dreamer Beautiful bridges. That's what I think
we
need now. Not the burning bridges that I fear. Here is this
masculine man, used to leading. He has power, but he needs
something else. When he applied the lipstick, it was as if he
knew that he now needs the feminine side in order to be
successful. He is glad to be able to use this part of his power.
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Dream Title Trying on the 40's/Calico Red
Date of Dream Sept. 18, 200l@ 1 am
Dream I am in my grandparent's old apartment
building in Seattle with some young women. We are on a second
level which is a very nice lounge/bar trying on old vintage 40's
style outfits. The young women look stunning in them and I take
their picture.
Comments by Dreamer When I woke up it was clear to me that
we
are/will be "trying on" what it is like to be in a major war such
as WW II. It gave me a sinking feeling.
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Source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title weird bombs by: derek
Date of Dream 9-12-01
Dream me and my friend dustin were in newyork
and we knew that they were going to bomb us and then i saw a sand
colored plane fly by i knew they were here then one flew over us
about 25ft and it looked like it was doing a wheelie (kind of
weird) and it had a desk on the bottom of it (even weirder) it
dropped the desk and i got in my friends car and drone about 10ft
then the desk hit the ground and blew up in a puff of smoke! we
took shelter in this near by restaurant. we then went back
outside to see more planes dropping green bombs that were about
3ft long when they hit they bounced we then took shelter under a
cement overhang (one of those things that hang over the front of
a restaurant but was cement!) i never actually saw any of the
bombs explode! soon after i awoke! Comments by Dreamer i
don't really know how it would relate to my life besides the fact
i like to screw around and have fun!
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Source: Electric Dreams
Dream Title Pogo.com craigory
Date of Dream 09.17.01/5am-10am
Dream I had a dream that Pogo.com was ran by
the
devil. There was a massive skyscraper surrounded by smaller
ones. And the taller one was creating lightning over the smaller
ones. Then I entered. I think my mision was to destroy it. As
I walked up the stair way I entered a classroom of sorts. Then
someone or something told me that the one in the front was the
devil. I felt the need to try to kill him with scissors that
appeared from nowhere but I was scared. Then the scene skipped to
a street near where I live. Kids were every where with balls or
something everywhere. I still had the since that Pogo was
controlling all of this. Then I was at a gun range. And because
someone did not know what was going on. We all had to sit down
and take a test. I was sitting next to a girl I haven't seen in
years. Then a good friend of mine whom I also haven't seen in
years was there. We were at my job and the building was empty.
We had the mission of destroying pogo. But someone was coming so
we left. But we went back to close a door. I jumped a fence and
saw people so I laid flat to hide. As my face laid in the dirt I
awoke.
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"The Death Factory" by Jill Gregory
I had the following dream September 10 night - morning of
September
11, 2001:
I am in a death factory. It is a huge structure of cement and
wood many stories high. There is a huge fish like a marlin or
sailfish without its sail fins. This fish is alive but hanging
upside down from a giant hook somewhere up above near the
ceiling of the floor I'm on. The view of the factory is like a
cut away shot where I can see all of the floors. There is a man
in his thirties very serious and intent. He holds with both
hands a large iron hook with a wood handle. The metal hook is
shaped like an L laying on its side. He has jabbed this hook
into the belly of the fish and jerks the hook with long strokes
upward and then downward - again and again. he is turning the
vital organs of the fish to pulp. He hopes that the fish will
throw up, in other words, be so injured that it vomits out its
guts through its mouth. But the fish does not vomit. It just
suffers silently with huge wide eyes staring. I wonder why the
man doesn't just shoot the fish with one bullet in the forehead
before torturing it. I telepathically ask him "Why all of this
needless suffering?" the man replies without stopping what he is
doing. He says to me matter of factly, "This is how it is done."
___________
I awaken feeling heaviness and concern. I tell my husband that I
have had a nightmare and it is a dream I want him to hear. I
tell him the dream. When I turn on the TV while still in bed, I
see the news and see what the dream was about.
From D: I read an article in today's paper that you are
collecting dreams regarding the terrorist attack on our country.
I would like to share mine.
[RCW Note: I assumed this is the Sept 17th article in the Los
Angeles Times, thanks to the reporter, Louise Roug. :: In
Dreams, Terror Takes the Stage First in a regular series on how
(mostly) Southern Californians are coping with the aftermath of
the crashes. ::
)
Two nights after the event, I dreamed I had a new job in the WTC.
It was on the one of the uppermost floors. I knew what was going
to happen but for some reason could not tell the other people in
the office, nor could I leave the building until I knew what date
it was. I remember walking up to one of the glass walls and
looking down to the ground, very, very far below. There were no
calendars anywhere in the offices, nor did the computers have the
date/time on their desktop. I kept running from office to office
asking different people "What is the date?" Everyone ignored the
question, as though I had said nothing. Instead, they kept
wanting to greet me and welcome me to the company. I was frantic
to know the date, but no one would tell me. At some point in
this horrible loop I woke up.
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This issue includes volume # 269 - #284
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 269
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. I need to know
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:40:15 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: I need to know
Dream Title I need to know
Date of Dream 3:56 pm
Dream this was the dream by an 19 year old
male.
He saw his first love in an empty airport she was sweating and
her cheeks were red and she was in a grey short cut skirt and a
grey buisness suit. She never saw him and was screaming
something load, but muffled so he never heard it. Everywhere she
went rose peddles were there on the floor on the walls on the
ceiling and followed her into every room, he knew where she was
by the disapearing peddles. He was very happy just to see her and
be next to her, but she never saw him.
Comments by Dreamer What does this mean I am his first love
and i am looking it up for him. He says he still loves me but i
love someone else. He is hurt and that is what i think it is
about.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 270
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. abandoned children
From: Anonymous
2. necklace
From: Anonymous
3. My Dream
From: Anonymous
4. white owl infinity
From: Anonymous
5. Linda
From: Anonymous
6. Two interactive dreamgroups
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:09:54 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: abandoned children
Dream Title abandoned children
Date of Dream 8/2001
Dream My husband and I moved in with a man,
whose apartment was run-down and damp. He left us with his two
small (one was sickly) boys. More and more of his children
arrived. I was responsible for them all, though they weren't
mine. I decided to leave, but two of the older girls tried to
stab me. I was able to disarm them, but when the knife dropped,
it turned into a wooden fork. I stabbed one of the girls and
left.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:12:49 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: necklace
Dream Title necklace
Date of Dream all the time
Dream in all my dreams that involve my
boyfriend i am wearing a thin gold chain with a small
diamond..in a circle shape
Comments by Dreamer i really want to know what this means!
e-mail: misfitschick8@aol.com
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:11:13 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: My Dream
Dream Title My Dream
Date of Dream Aug. 20, 2001
Dream my dream: i was in my bed when on my
right side, a door opened and this person came out and shoved a
yellow blanket in my face. i screamed and they disappeared. then
i looked up and this girl was smiling at me and she was holding
my arms down. at first i thought she was an angel protecting me,
but then i noticed that she looked familiar but i couldn't
really look at her because in most of my dreams my vision is
foggy, or my eyes dont want to open to see certain things. i had
this dream at least four times that same night. what does this
mean?
Comments by Dreamer please send all comments to
MeliaGirl777@aol.com
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:13:10 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: white owl infinity
Dream Title white owl infinity
Date of Dream 08/21/010430a.m.
Dream I was outside at dusk and heard an owl
hooting. I looked up and on a tree branch was a beautiful white
owl looking at me. I made a hooting sound back at the owl and
to my amazement it hooted back, so i put out my arm as to lure
the owl to me. the owl flew down from the tree and landed on my
right forearm it appeared to have no fear of me. I also felt no
fear. The owl flew away and soon to follow was a baby white owl
that was identical to the larger one that had just flown away
Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments i am interested in the interpretation
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:10:16 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Linda
Dream Title Linda
Date of Dream 8/20/01, 5:30 a.m.
Dream I was sleeping in the house I just
rented recently, when I woke and noticed flies swarming around a
spot on the acoustic ceiling. The harder I looked, I noticed
the spot on the ceiling becoming more prevelant and more and
more flies swarming. Although the flies disgusted me, they did
not physically touch me. After some time, I left my bed to tell
others (a person I dated and a person I work with) about the
problem, and when I returned down the hall I noticed thick, dusty
spiderwebs for the first time. The flies were even more abundant,
and the spot was so prevelant that I thought it must have been
caused by a dead body inside the attic. I was awaken suddenly
by the alarm, so I don't remember, or never got beyond that.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:39:21 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Two interactive dreamgroups
Are you looking for an interactive dreamgroup?
Here are some ~interactive~ dream groups I recommend:
DreamWheel dreamwheel-subscribe@yahoogroups.com training and use
of highly formatted, in depth analysis method developed by
Montague Ullman, John Herbert and others. Each dream takes about
a week to go through.
DreamShare dreamshare-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Variety of
techniques and very active participants. Be prepared for some
commitment in time, but worth it.
DreamChatters dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Active and
casual dream chat. Topics of discussion go beyond the individual
dream and the list has many famous dream researchers and other
dream personages.
- Richard
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 271
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Feeling left out.....Desire
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:33:43 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Feeling left out.....Desire
Dream Title Feeling left out.....Desire
Date of Dream aug. 24
Dream i was at the mall with my boyfriend and
his friend. We were sitting down and he just got up and left
with his friend without even telling me anything.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 272
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Brief Case
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:18:20 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Brief Case
Dream Title The Brief Case
Date of Dream 26/08/01
Dream I was standing on a train, one more stop
and I was home. I momentarily stood up to do something and took
my briefcase with me. I then put it down on the floor. No more
than a few seconds later, when I reached for the briefcase... it
was gone. I looked everywhere, but it was definitely gone. I
announced in a loud voice for everyone in the carriage to hear,
"if anyone has a briefcase at the side of them that's not their
own, please tell me". Everyone looked at me but no one said
anything. I saw a man getting ready to get off the train, his
coat seemed a little bulgy and I suspected he had stolen my
case. I called after him, and he looked at me out the corner of
his eye. He got off the train and I got off too and followed
him. I ran after him and he saw me running after him. Once in
the open, I persued him down a long flight of steps, (a very
wide and open place)and I ran across grass. But, no matter how
fast I ran (and I was running really fast), he ! ! was always
running faster than me. After a long run, I finally caught up
with him because he couldn't keep up the pace. He was carrying a
small child in his arms, but it was obvious he still had
something under his coat. He took out a briefcase from under his
coat and handed it to me. There was no apology and he said
something like, "you're welcome to it". But it wasn't my
briefcase. This one had a metal exterior. It was quite new and
was the colour of rust (but not rusty). Some areas, like perhaps
the handle, were the colour of lead. In some places the rust
colour had worn away and round worn spots of lead colour came
through. These round spots were worn away so much that the bare
silver colour of the original metal was showing through. (A bit
like bullet holes, except there were no holes). I didn't like
the briefcase... it wasn't mine... and I didn't want it. I WOKE
UP.
Comments by Dreamer The man wasn't carrying a child when he
first started running, but had one when I caught up with him.
When I ran down the long flight of steps, I remember telling
myself in the dream that I should try running down the steps
with a correct angle to my shoes, so I can run at an oblique
angle, allowing me to take many steps at once with the flat of
my shoes. And I did, I was able to pace down at an oblique angle
without stopping. It was like running along the edge of every
step.
I ran much faster than I would normally be able to run. I'm flat
footed and having no arch causes me a lot of discomfort when
running.... but not in this dream.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 273
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. freaky dreams
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:59:05 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: freaky dreams
Dream Title freaky dreams
Date of Dream
Dream i dream of snakes. ive always feared
them and offlate i find myself having awful nightmares featuring
snakes. they're either in my house or in my car or in my
bag.it's really scaring me this has been going on since the past
2 weeks i dont know what's going on?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 274
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. parents
From: Anonymous
2. Old Indian Man
From: Anonymous
3. My boyfriend cheating
From: Anonymous
4. SaraCaro
From: Anonymous
5. New Dream
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:46:39 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: parents
Dream Title parents, djnjofsmom2
Date of Dream
Dream my father has been dead for 17 yrs and
my mother for 2 yrs. I keep dreaming of them. this has happened
approx. 2-3 times a week for several weeks now.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:47:09 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Old Indian Man
Dream Title Old Indian Man
- by kfen
Date of Dream 08/29/01
Dream I dreamed that I was an old Native
American man who was waiting to die. I'd holed myself up in my
grandfather's garage (who is dead now), and purposefully had no
contact with the outside world. There was a woman caretaker
that would bring me food once a day. The garage was dusty and
barren except for a small cot and a beautiful white mantle place
that looked like it should be in a mansion decorating a
fireplace, instead of being stored in this dusty garage.
I wanted no contact with the outside world, only to reflect on my
life as I waited to die. However, the woman caretaker began
bringing me letters from a distant relative (a niece or
grandchild in her early 20's--my real age and gender). This
girl was unaware that I was trying to die, she just wanted to
get to know me through correspondence. One day she sent me a
letter asking why I never write back. So, despite my self-
imposed isolation, I decided I could write her one letter. I
noticed that on the mantle there were several new yellow pads of
paper and a pen. It occurred to me that I have a lot to write
about, and it's lucky that there was so much paper available.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:48:11 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: My boyfriend cheating
Dream Title My boyfriend cheating
Date of Dream
Dream I never have any dreams about my
boyfriend, but when I do every single one is about him cheating
on me or me catching him with another girl. Does this mean he
is really cheating on me?
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:47:49 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: SaraCaro
Dream Title SaraCaro
Date of Dream 8/26/01
Dream I dreamed that I was at a wedding being
held in a parking lot. Then suddenly I realize that I'm getting
married right after they do. But I can't find my veil or my
bouquet. Then they finish and I go up there with my husband whom
I feel that I love but also feel that I don't know. He's also
Asian which is strange because I'm not allowed to marry anyone
who's not American. Then everyone is gone but we're still there
waiting to walk down the parking lot. My groom's mother stops the
wedding to do my hair, then we pile into the bed of a truck and
head to another parking lot where everyone is and we get married
there with my veil and bouquet that have been found.
Comments by Dreamer I have no clue what this means. I just
moved to college so there might be something there, but
otherwise, no clue.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:47:29 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
Dream Title locked up mishelly
Date of Dream 8-27-01
Dream It starts out i am on a bike i have a
baby with me somehow the baby falls in a pool of water.I jump in
after her I somehow know the baby is a girl.Oonce i hit the
water we are locked in this very dull colored beige room
(everything is beige)excpt us.a man with grey hair comes in I
ask are we gonna die and he turns around seals the door shut
there is no knob on my side of the door no windows cause I'm
looking for a way out .All of a sudden my baby can't breathe
then I can't breath my baby is on the bed and i'm banging on the
door screaming you s.o.b.just watching my baby die know that
there's nothing i can do,i am gasping for air i go to the floor
then i wake up.
Comments by Dreamer Help me figure out what this horrible
dream meant. i don't have any kids of my own.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 275
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Teacher and The figure
From: Anonymous
2. Conversations
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:58:19 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Teacher and The figure
Dream Title Teacher and The figure
Date of Dream 8/27/01
Dream I have been havin dreams that pick up
were they left off. Te first nite, a lady (I couldnt see her
face) kidnapped me. The second nite, she chased me around the
room because i ad tried to run away. The third nite she cut out
my vocal cords, the fourth nite she was about to cut off my
hands, but one of my favorite teachers came in, hit her and
knocked her out cold. I then saw the lady was my mother. Then my
teacher took me home to live with her.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:23:10 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Conversations
Dream Title Conversations
Date of Dream All of them were in August
Dream I had this dream where one night i was
at this camp and we were playing Man Hunt. I was running to tag
this guy and i accidently made him fall and then i slipped in
the grass. I tagged him then I started running a different way.
Everyone was laughing and running around. After that i went
inside this guys house (i met this guy at a church camp i went
to and i never got his real name, but everyone just called him
Ranger Hay) and the guy that i tagged was in there and we would
all call him ranger Park. But anyways, Ranger Park said that
Ranger Hay was upstairs, so i said thank u and went up. He was
sitting on his bed playing guitar (i play too) and we just
started talking for a long time, we got closer and closer and i
had a good feeling inside, but then i woke up. I also had
another dream where i was talking on the phone to Ranger Park and
he said, " u know he likes u," (and he was referring to Ranger
Hay) and i just was like, what? and he said never min! ! d and
then put Ranger Hay on the phone. We talked again about normal
things and i said, "i'm probably making u bored so i'll go," but
he siad no ur not at all, actually. So we talked throughout the
whole dream and i just don't understand it. I've had three
dreams where i've talked w/ this guy and that's all we did was
talk. I've only talked to this guy for real, like twice, and
he's really a good person, and we have some things in common,
but he lives like so faraway from me, and i just do not
understand these dreams what so ever.
Comments by Dreamer If u have any ideas on what these dreams
could be telling me, please e-mail me and let me know. Thank
you.
e-mail: cerulycloudz4@aol.com
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 276
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. my crush
From: Anonymous
2. freaky shit
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:47:03 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: my crush
Dream Title my crush
Date of Dream 8/31/01
Dream I walked into an empty movie theater
where my crush signaled for me to come sit with him he reached
for my hand and pulled me really close to him and whispered I
love you in my ear then we left and went outside and saw our
friends from one of our classes then one of them made fun of me
and my crush yelled at him then we went to starbucks and just
before I left he kissed me
Comments by Dreamer it was really intense almost real
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:59:28 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: freaky shit
Dream Title freaky shit
Date of Dream 9/1/01
Dream It was exactly one month that me and
exboyfriend had not been talking when I had this dream. Well it
started out I was chatting with him on the computer then all of
a sudden I was inside on his living room floor. I guess I had
went in through the back door. The weird thing about it was I
felt like I was really there. I could not tell the difference
betwn if I was there for real or dreaming. Well he came out of
his room and was just as surprised to see me there as well. We
started talking about how we both were doing then this girl in a
bra came out of the room. We started fighting then all of a
sudden a baby girl was on my lap and she peed on her self. SO I
went to go take her a bath. My ex was talking to me through the
door. The girl was still trying to fight with me but he told
her to get out because he didn't want it around the baby. After
that we were just talking but we both were freaking out about
how we both got there. It was like both of us felt like it was
really happening. We ever tried to change little things about
the event but we would correct eachother like "well this is just
a dream and we stopped talking 7 months ago anyway" then he
would respond " No one month and it is today that you are here.
We are tlaking on ,y portch." Like we were trying to convice
ourselves we were just dreaming but were both scared at the same
time because it felt so real. Well after that I just walked home
and we both agreed not to mention it to one another for the fact
we don't know how we ended up in the dream or whatever it was.
Just not sure what it could mean. A little after that there was
these two older woman twins who were following me. They were
identical and they kept trying to warn me about something much
stronger than me. Also about for me to make my decisions wisely
because I am who I am and I can't change it. Just the whole
message I got from them was to watch my back. Just kinda got
shook by the whole thing. It just feet so real and I never had
one of these experiences before.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 277
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. New locations
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 09:38:52 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: New locations
Dream Title New locations
Date of Dream 9-1-01
Dream I had this dream that my parents
abandoned their beloved home, leaving the Christmas tree up with
all of it's decorations. so I moved all of my belongings in and
a good friend that I can trust and have fun with moved in with
me. It was nothing that we planned but just new that this is
what we both had to do. I remember when we were all finished
organizing all of our things into their new place he kept telling
me that he loved me.
Comments by Dreamer When I tried to do my own
interpretation, for the first time, of this dream I came up
with: Do I need to go to a welcoming place, permanently, with
someone I can trust and celebrate my new decision with? Sounds
on point to me.
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dream-flow] Digest Number 278
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Black left Palm-
From: Anonymous
2. barbee
From: Anonymous
3. leg wound
From: Anonymous
4. When White Pickled Crocodile Attacks
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:15:47 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Black left Palm-
Dream Title Black left Palm- Gilesea
Date of Dream 2/9/01 5am
Dream I dreamt I had a black left palm, pitch
balck with a couple of ants crawling from under a flap of skin,
like it had been neglected.The back of my hand and my right hand
(I am right handed), was skin colour. I looked at it and
wondered if it was going to change soon, sort of suprised it was
showing black. I was outside the front door of my childhood
home. I went in and tended a baby I had just given birth to, with
black curly hair who, earlier in my dream had gone back in and
stayed in my birth canal for sometime, before coming out for
good. I got along well with the baby. I had had a dream about a
very sickly, annoying baby last week.
Comments by Dreamer Before I went to bed I had finally told
a close friend of mine that I felt she had been rude to me. She
became quite upset.I had also rung the managing director ( a
friend) and resigned from a directorship with a company that I
care about but no longer want to wear the risk for.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:20:00 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: barbee
Dream Title barbee
Date of Dream August 31, 2001
Dream I just had a dream the other night where
I took a roaster out of the oven and in it was a small child
with barbeque sauce dripping from it. You could hardly see it's
face. I told the other person that it was still alive and
he/she said...don't worry, it won't suffer long. So, I
continued to baste it and put it back in the oven with the eyes
looking back at me, desperate for help and me not giving a
care...why????
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:19:20 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: leg wound
Dream Title leg wound
Date of Dream 8/29/01 8:01am
Dream giant gaping hole in my left thigh(to
bone)turn to boyfriend to tell him i need a few stitches then my
whole side opens from armpit to ankle
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:20:36 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: When White Pickled Crocodile Attacks
Dream Title When White Pickled Crocodile Attacks by
Angel Leigh
Date of Dream 08/26/01 - 1:00 am
Dream I was driving in a vendor truck, owned
and operated by my brother following my mother, brother, sister,
and brother-in-law in at least one other truck. We come to a
area that used to be a feild, but is now flooded, and rising.
They turn right, going into the the now flooded feild... and I
realize that I cannot go there without drowning myself and my
two children who are with me. I look again at my family and they
are no longer in trucks, but on horseback. I look straight ahead
of me in the road and there is a HUGE dark brown horse, a female
buffalo, and a male buffalo behind that, blocking the road
entirely. Then suddenly, I am no longer in the truck, I am on
the side of the road, with only my daughter (who is about 9
months old in the dream) in her stoller... pointing to the
rising water as a black shape comes out of the water. Once out
of the water I see that the shape is actually an crocodile... I
then begin to beat the animal about the body, when I notice that
as the mud is being washed off with the rain, it is an albino
crocodile with skin like a white cucumber. (I was then awakened
by my husband as I was being violent).
Comments by Dreamer I want an interpretation for this one
please!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 279
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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. having more children
From: Anonymous
2. National Theatre
From: Anonymous
3. Jay
From: Anonymous
4. CC
From: Anonymous
5. ForMufasa
From: Anonymous
6. pregnant toddler
From: Anonymous
7. To make very simple rockets
From: Anonymous
8. Advanced Mono
From: Anonymous
9. A Police Walk-thru
From: Anonymous
10. Scart BY sb
From: Anonymous
11. Talking cats that see ghosts
From: Anonymous
12. storm metal
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:32:47 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: having more children
Dream Title having more children
Date of Dream 09/09 3:00
Dream i had a dream that me and my ex-husband
had two more babies
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:31:13 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: National Theatre
Dream Title National Theatre
Date of Dream September 2nd, after 3am
Dream I was walking down a beautiful road in
the centre of the city. I felt the street was familiar and
friendly to me. At the beginning of the dream I was at apoint
where the road turned into a bridge.To my right there was a
river flowing underneath the bridge. It was no great bridge,
typical of a big city and rather common, but it gave me a good
feeling [when I woke up and thought of this dream, I realised I
had dreamt of this road again. In that other dream it was the
road to my home]. I was walking down the road to go to the
National Theatre to watch a play. I met another person probably
at the entrance and went together inside. I have no recollection
of the sex of this friend but we knew each other pretty well.
When I walked inside the Theatre everybody who worked there knew
me and greeted me with respect. I fely extremely embarassed. Then
I went to my seat and the play started. Every actor that
appeared on the stage waved their heads respectfully before
saying their lines, as if I had donated lots of money to the
Theatre!! I kept saying to myself "You have to stop coming here
for a while. Go to other theatres as well!! This situation is so
embarassing for you. Everybody here knows you, and the ones who
don't are staring at you" Comments by Dreamer
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:32:28 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Jay
Dream Title Jay
Date of Dream Saturday 8th November,approx'7am.
Dream I was pushing my partner in a wheelchair
(he does not use one in real life)all the time stopping to clear
the path in front of him from rubbish and debris.When i
approached him his face had become tiny and shrivelled up and he
informed me that he had only a couple of months to live.The
second part of my dream saw me walking down by the sea,giant 100
feet waves swelled up and a tanker could be seen out on the
rough sea.As the sea got choppier i saw my partner struggling at
the shoreline so i reached down from a wall and pulled him up
away from danger,i asked him was he OK and he shouted at the top
of his voice that he was just a big baby.End of dream.
Comments by Dreamer I have only recently started seeing my
partner (3 weeks),although we get on extremely well we meet
rarely(once a week)and do not communicate in the meantime.He has
told me to not get too attached as he may have to leave the
country in the not too distant future.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:31:57 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: CC
Dream Title CC
Date of Dream frequent
Dream I am in a large hotel and trying to find
my way back to my room. There is a lot of elevators and doors
and I don't know which one to take.
Another dream is that I am in Hawaii and trying to find my way
back home.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:31:32 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: ForMufasa
Dream Title ForMufasa
Date of Dream
Dream My father was having a dream about me
and my mother playing with snakes. I do not know what that means
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:29:08 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: pregnant toddler
Dream Title pregnant toddler
Date of Dream the night before Sept. 2nd 2001
Dream I was with a good girlfriend at a place
that felt like a school and we were helping these two darker
skin teenage girls avoid some boys from hassling them (this
relates to a movie I watched before bed). Also was with me a
toddler. He was 3 years old and was naked except his white
underwear. His hair was blond, as if bleached and cut in marines
style (a little spiky). He suddenly took my hand and told me that
he was pregnant. I thought it was impossible since he's a boy so
I looked in his underwear and found out that he was actualy a
little girl. She had very sparse pubic hair about 1 inch long
and also bleached blond. The hair was not curly but spiky.
I then looked at him/her and saw a little nipple in the middle of
his/her upper body, between the ribcage and the naval. She again
said to me that she was pregnant and that all the stars are in
their appropriate location. She showed her right hand and there,
in her little palm were, formed in a circle with one in the
middle, about 6 more nipples. I found it interesting and went
with her to consult with the teacher who was a very pleasant
looking young woman and she confirmed that the child was indeed
pregnant.
Unfortunately I do not recall how it ends.
Comments by Dreamer Please help me understand it.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:30:34 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: To make very simple rockets
Dream Title To make very simple rockets
Date of Dream 05/09/01
Dream I want to make simple rockets with
aluminium foil and match sticks.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:30:13 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Advanced Mono
Dream Title Advanced Mono
Date of Dream August 28, 3:00 pm
Dream In my dream, my sister and I walk into
Wendy's to use their bathroom. She says,"In Massachusetts I use
the bathroom in the chicken store". Then we just walk up to the
counter to order some food. When my sister asks the cashier for
her order the cashier rolls her eyes. I say,"Don't be rolling
your fu**king eyes at her." And then my sister starts cursing
her out. Then the manager comes and starts yelling at us. I
scream,"STOP! We can't be fighting like this at a time like now!
We have to come together." There was an advanced case of mono and
HIV that was cathable through the air. So everyone was fighting
because they were scared and didn't know who was immune and who
wasn't. I grabbed an un-popular boys hand and ran outside with
him, and for some reason we ended up being by my old house
instead of at Wendy's which is a few blocks away from my new
building. As we were running some boys that always made fun of
the boy because they thought he was gay were like, "So you got a
girl? Ok you alright you alright." And they slapped eachother
fives and then walked away. Then I end up in front of my new
building and I'm with a whole group of people, including the
manager at Wendy's. She says,"We must find the water tower." And
we start walking down my block, and when we get to the corner we
see two guys fighting. Then we end up on the corner of the next
block and my sister-in-law is with us too. I say,"There goes
your mom." Her mom is sittng on a bench in front of the
laundrymat scratching off those scratch offs. So then my sister-
in-law walks up to her mom and asks,"Where's Heather" Her mom
doesn't say anything and my sister-in-law goes looking for my
niece. When she gets by the parking lot she says,"Tell Mrs.###?
that we're too late." So I tell the manager, "You're too late."
And everyone walks over and sees the water tower and water all
over the place. Then we end up close but not too close to the
water tower. We see an airplane and someone says,"Look they're
gonna help us!" But then the plane drops a bomb on the water
tower. Some of us are able to get away. So then it's me and
another woman and somehow we ended up running through the woods.
Then a cell phone rings and I anwer it, it's my mom. A
helicopter comes over us and a guy says to the woman "we have to
kill you" so he shoots her. But for somereason they don't see me
but i still hide and whisper on the phone.
My mom says "Whats the matter?" and I say "Nothing everythings
ok" She didnt hear what happened and I didnt want to scare her.
Then she says "Crystal, people on this block are dead, there are
fatal casualties" I say "I know" she says "Crystal I'm scared" I
say "Don't worry it's gonna be ok" Then she says "Lucky nobody
told them that I worked for a foreign guy" Which would be her
old boss. And then my mom woke me up from the dream.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:33:14 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: A Police Walk-thru
Dream Title A Police Walk-thru Lauren
Date of Dream 9/10/01 @ 03:15
Dream I opened my front door, and a County
Sheriff popped his head in, friendly but professional, and asked
if he could come in. I didn't know why he wanted to, but said
yes and allowed him to enter. He had red hair, was in his early
to mid 30's. The name tag on his shirt said "Doyle". His was
carrying a clipboard. I smiled and said I recognized him from
going to school with him, which he acknowledged. He then
started to walk through the house. I got the impression that he
was looking for something specific. I apologized for the look
of the house, which was clean in some rooms and mildly
disheveled in others. He smiled and said it was all right. He
basically didn't say much during his walk through, which was
through every room in the house, ending up back at the front
door. He thanked me with a more friendly tone and look, made one
notation on the paper on the clipboard (don't know what), then
left. However, as the dream ended, I had a feeling he would be
back in a friendlier, nonprofessional capacity.
Comments by Dreamer I did in fact go to grade, junior and
senior high school with a boy (now mid 40s) named Doyle, but
this person didn't look like him except for the red hair. The
dream house was basically representative of my real-life home,
with some rooms clean and others needing some cleaning. As far
as the police, I have no problem with them in real life, and
have a lot of respect for them. The officer in the dream gave
no indication of what he was looking for, and I never asked,
although I would have out of curiosity in real life.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:33:58 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Scart BY sb
Dream Title Scart BY sb
Date of Dream 9-10-01 6pm
Dream I had a dream that i was having a
threesome with my best friend that i am in love with and his ex
girlfriend that i can't stand, all three of us was having it
while his friend was there watching.
Comments by Dreamer How weird
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:29:33 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Talking cats that see ghosts
Dream Title Talking cats that see ghosts
Date of Dream September 5,2001/2:45 a.m.
Dream I had a dream that i was lying in my bed
with my dog and that there was a cat at the bottom of my bed and
it was acting funny ex.) hissing, and making scared noises for
no reason (they say animals can sense when there are ghosts in
their presence)then i awoke an realized that there was no cat
there(i do not own a cat either) and then i fell back asleep and
it went back to the dream except this itme i looked up at my
pillow and there was a kitten sitting on my pillow and i said "oh
whats a matter kitty" and it replied "oh nothins wrong with me"
in an unusual voice, i awoke and left my room.
Comments by Dreamer i would like to know what my dream means
even though it is quite unusal
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments please get back ot me at my email
address buddahquin@aol.com. an editor or someone....no strangers
that dont knwo what they are talking about...i just want to know
what this means?
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Message: 12
editors note: Stan requests that his name and address be kept
with this dream - RCW
stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@etherways.com> DATE : 10 sep 2001
06:43 DREAM : storm metal
DATE : 10 sep 2001 06:43
DREAM : storm metal
'( yesterday, a sunday, i spent the entire day and most of
evening programming. i felt a little guilty about not spending
the time in course preparation, but my web design classes are
mostly beyond primary construction and i really wanted to spend
some serious time learning the new Tk unit of PERL. my years of
teaching X windows now come in handy since Tk is based upon X11r.
i certainly appreciate the attempt at a systematic object base in
Java better, since X was so unsystematically cobbled together. i
am constantly wanting some nice feature of one widget to apply to
another. part of the satisfaction in the work is finding ways to
engineer around the poor ancestry of widgets. i am writing a
fairy chess program again and i think Tk has most of the tools i
need to do the job. will find out anyway. i went to sleep
around 02:00, having gotten the start of a tactical chess board
to display. at least the king, rook and bishop display properly.
i woke around 04:00 with no dreams to recall and got back to
sleep with some difficulty. )'
i have decided to spend the day at my old high school, perhaps
reading this old paperback in the library or somewhere where it
is quiet. my mother says good bye to me as i leave and walk out
the driveway.
the first problem is catching a bus to school. although the high
school is only a little more than a mile away, there are no
sidewalks along the country roads. and besides, it is not right
for a stranger to arrive in an unexpected manner, so i must find
one of the yellow school buses to ride in.
soon, beside the roadway, i discover a field where some teenagers
are practicing football. the coach i remember from high school
is there directing them, so i realize that this is a school
function. perhaps i can catch a ride with them when they return.
"hello, coach chakins." i say to him when i walk up. "you
probably do not remember me, but i used to be a student. i would
like to get a ride back to the school if you have room."
he looks me over closely. i have put on more mass since high
school, so i look more eligible for football than i was then.
"did you play for me? i do not remember you." he asks.
"no, i was on the chess team, never football." i tell him. "i
also did the stage lighting for the plays your wife directed."
"aren't you a little old to be finishing your high school
degree?" he adds as an after thought.
i chuckle. "i graduated a long time ago. i am at the university
of west florida now." he looks at me like i am too old even for
an undergraduate degree. i do not explain that i teach at the
university. for me, the name of game at schools is study whether
you are a student or teacher.
"if you can find room in the buses, you can come back with us. i
think there were a few seats open." he grunts as he returns his
attention to the players.
while i am waiting i climb up a mound of loose dirt that has been
dumped in the center of the field. perched on top, i can see the
boys going through their various running drills.
"you know, people talked about that time i borrowed your script
book." i hear someone say behind me. i look back. it is the
speech teacher, the wife of the coach. she is still as pretty as
i recall. "i enjoyed the way you drew pictures in the margins to
illustrate the scenes."
now i recall. "i had a short career in stage craft. did lots of
shows after high school." i want to tell her that i apprenticed
for actor's equity but do not get the chance. a school bus has
arrived and the students are migrating toward it.
sliding down the loose earth of the hill, i try to catch up the
others getting in the bus. but i take a wrong turn and have to
detour around an out building. by the time i get around it, the
school bus is closing its door and starting to depart. running
along beside it, i thump on its side for the driver to stop and
let me in. no luck, he keeps on. i am left alone in the field
that just moments ago was full of human activity.
since i am now at the roadway watching the bus drive away, i
continue walking until i come to the first intersection. i find
a grange building, now empty in the afternoon, and in the parking
lot is an old vehicle built by my father. it is an old car
covered with hand painted cardboard, intended to be driven in
parades and festive events. i decide that i will drive this.
there really is not any door. i have to squeeze under the
cardboard shell and fall into the front seat. the car inside is
some sort of a roofless convertible with even side doors. the
light comes in through two peep holes cut in the cardboard so the
driver can see ahead. there is not much visibility, but then
parades go slow and you only have to follow the act in front of
you.
i find the keys on the dashboard and can start up the engine.
after a little revving to clear the carburetor, i start to pull
out of the parking lot. i see that the school bus driver has
returned with a now empty bus. he sees that i have found other
means of transportation and circles out of the lot so i can
follow him.
soon i am going up a steep hill. i can not keep up with the
school bus and it tops the hill, now out of sight. the road
seems really slippery, covered in snow. my vehicle slows down
and eventually loses all traction and can not proceed up hill. i
am a good driver, especially skilled in bad conditions, so i
trust i can make it up the hill. i shift into lower gear and
slow the spinning wheels until they catch again. i manage to get
to the top of the hill just barely.
now on the downside the problem reverses. the car wants to slip
down too quickly for control, so i am pumping the brakes to keep
the wheels rolling instead of sliding.
uhoh, i see another vehicle coming forward towards me. it looks
like small train and it is on my side of the road. with snow
covering the road, i can not see where its tracks are laid in the
pavement, so i have no way of telling where i have to go to avoid
it. i try to keep to right where i have right of way, but the
little train is dead center in my lane. at the last moment, i
steer to the left attempting to dodge it. the slippery road
causes me to fish tail and i feel a slight thump as the right
rear corner just tags the train.
i skid over into the ditch across the road. my engine stalls but
that is from bad clutch work as my foot slips off the pedal when
the car heels over in the ditch. i get slide under the cardboard
cover and get out. it was not much of a collision, but i ought
to check the people in the other vehicle which has also stopped
just up the road.
a man and a couple women get out of the little train.
"sorry, i could not avoid you in the snow." i call over to them.
the man waves back. he is looking at the cow catcher on the
front which is half torn away. apparently it is made of cheap
plastic.
one of the women, an attractive blonde and his wife i gather,
comes over and hugs me warmly. i am surprised by her affection.
"it was our fault after all." she says. "we were on the wrong
side of the road." she does not release after saying this, but
continues to hold on and rub her body up to mine in a sexually
suggestive manner. i am a little embarrassed by this behavior,
but it is putting me in a better mood. the husband comes up, but
does not seem to mind his wife humping me shamelessly.
"i thought you were on tracks and could not control where you
went." i can see now that there are none in the pavement where
the snow has been pushed away by the wheels of our vehicle.
the blonde lady now separates from me and goes back to their
train with her husband. the other dark haired woman comes over
and tries to rub up against in the same way as her friend, but
she is not so skilled at it.
"i remember you from high school." she whispers in my ear. "i
would not have given the time of day back then." i do not recall
her, but i assume there is some kind of offer here with her
clumsy attempts at humping me. i firmly take her arms and hold
her away from me. "i must see to my car now." i inform her
gently. i see no reason to humiliate her efforts while denying
her invitation. she looks at me puzzled, but then shrugs and
goes back to train which is starting to pull away.
i think i must wait here for the police to report our accident,
but none comes. after a while the little train returns but
without the two women inside. the driver comes out to help me
push my vehicle back up on the roadway.
before we get started, he says "oh lordy, here comes a tornado."
i see him looking across the valley of our hillside.
the sky has turned dark with low swirling clouds. the textures
are all browns and grays, beautiful to look at. sure enough, a
thick funnel has come down and attached to ground at the base of
our hill. another thin snake funnel can be seen behind it. i am
not worried safety. it is rare that a tornado will catch you and
there is nothing we can do in any case.
while watching low clouds twist and turn as they approach us, i
see some patterns like coins pressed into the vapors. i can
understand that tornadoes would suck up coins and metal bits, but
how does it use them to form much larger impressions of them? it
is like the storm have some intelligence of the objects it
encounters.
as one of the large coins approaches near to me, turning slowly
in the wind, i can see that it seems to gain solidity. taking a
pole i find in the ditch, i strike the coin as it gets close
enough. with a clang, it detaches from the cloud and falls to my
feet. surely, it is solid. but it is maybe half a meter in
diameter, much too large to be a coin swept up in the funnel.
another glossy metal coin forms in the cloud near me, and i tap
it out of it matrix in the vapor which is forming it. this one
has not completed its genesis and is an irregular shape. i can
see the impression of george washington in profile and part of
the words 'the united states' above his head. this one is maybe
half the size of the first i knocked down.
picking up both coin objects from the ditch, i am surprised how
light they are. i expected them to be heavier given their size
and metallic appearance, but they seem hollow as if formed by the
condensation of many tiny metallic bubbles. also, they crackle
in my grip, like pop rocks, dissolving slowly in my touch.
these are clearly ephemeral, like hailstones, quickly vanishing
once brought out of the air that formed them.
looking up now, i am amazed at the air around us. the violence
of the storm is quickly fading and in the still atmosphere like
the pause between breaths, vast sheets of this pseudo metal now
hang and drape in the sky just above us. long dark strips gleam
and twist in the silent breeze. it is beautiful to see this
brief wonder before it diffuses back into the nothing which
formed it.
the brief storm now ended, the fake metal vanishes without trace.
i see that the cardboard cover has been blown off my father's
car. i am pleased to see that the car underneath is a stutz
bearcat. these cars had wooden wheels like carriages. even
though its wooden structure is dry rotted and almost useless, it
is still a car to admire.
i get in an start the engine, but when i try to drive it out of
the ditch, it is clearly dragging on the right rear where it was
tagged by the train. i turn off the engine and go back to
examine the damage. sure enough, the right rear corner is
supposed to be supported by a small caster wheel which has torn
off. i find the small wheel, but the bolts that held it are
broken and the wooden mount torn. no way to drive away from
this.
i search for the cardboard cover blown away. my father had taken
the effort to hand paint it. surely he was not skilled in art or
craft, but the scenes still have a primitive sentiment that gives
it value.
further down i see a tow truck pulling up a black semi truck
thrown about by the tornado. inside the torn open trailer i can
see my father's cardboard shell. i go down to retrieve it.
when i start to pull the cardboard shell out of the torn trailer,
the man operating the tow truck comes up. "just a minute now."
he tells me. "that is mine by salvage."
what? it is only a large piece of cardboard. why would he want
it? "look here." i say pointing to a bit inside. "my father has
written his name and address in here. when a storm blows
something away, it does not bestow new property rights where the
something lands. salvage only applies when a thing is unclaimed
or abandoned. neither applies here."
'( i awake at around 06:30. i do not think the coach of the
football team in high school was 'chakins', and indeed i think i
was seeing the basketball coach. i doubt he was married to the
speech teacher whose name i can not recall at all. she did
direct some of our school plays. i was an actor's apprentice in
equity during my undergraduate years. this career was short and
incidental to my studies in science. neither profession could
claim me in my adult years. it is nearly impossible to describe
the breathless beauty of the ephemeral metal twinkling in the air
and just as quickly dissolving in the aftermath of the storm. a
moment of awe when something unknown is perceived for the first
time and is recognized for what it is not. difficult to say
exactly that feeling of wonder and discovery, but it is what
great scientists try to explain in their biographies. a curious
mystical sensation like even taking a breath will blow it away,
to be replaced by rational understanding. i think an educated
mind savors this sensation like a thrill seeker lusts after an
adrenalin rush or a junkie craves a hit. )'
. stankuli@etherways.com
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 280
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Bothered
From: Anonymous
2. Man of my dreams in a dog house....
From: Anonymous
3. dreams about the world trade center
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:02:18 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Bothered
Dream Title Bothered
Date of Dream 10/11/01 Night
Dream In my dream that I had, a friend and
myself were at a theater waiting for the show to start. I had
asked one person if we were at the right place, and the reply
was no, it is across the street. I told my friend and both of us
proceeded to go up the stairs to cross the street. I looked
behind me to see if she was behind me once, which she was . When
I reached the top I looked back again and she was gone.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:38:02 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Man of my dreams in a dog house....
Dream Title Man of my dreams in a dog house....
Date of Dream recently
Dream met my dream man in a dog house, and i
had the a conversation, asking him all the questions ive ever
wanted to ask him, it was the best time of my life meeting him,
even if it was in the country/town, in a dog house! :)
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:53:54 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: dreams about the world trade center
As with other national and international tragedies, dream-flow
would like for you to send in any dreams related to this crisis.
We have found that sharing dreams during these tragedies can be
very helpful and allows the psyche to express itself at all
levels.
- Richard
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 281
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. fish
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:55:31 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: fish
Dream Title fish
Date of Dream 9/11/01
Dream I dreamed of 1 big fish swimming in a
body of water like a "pond". This fish was hard to catch. I
attempted many times until I caught it with a net. When I got it
i cut into pieces (like for cooking).
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 282
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Digest Number 281
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
2. Re: fish
From: Heratheta
3. Precognitive dream?
From: Anonymous
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Re: Digest Number 281
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. fish
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:55:31 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: fish
Dream Title fish
Date of Dream 9/11/01
Dream I dreamed of 1 big fish swimming in a
body of water like a "pond". This fish was hard to catch. I
attempted many times until I caught it with a net. When I got it
i cut into pieces (like for cooking).
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: napsterites
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
2. Nice Terroists
From: Anonymous
3. precognitive dream from nette
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:06:50 -0700
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
Subject: Re: napsterites
Richard, the entrance to this site makes it seem formidable,
devilish, yuk. What is the attitude of its entries? Is this a
satiric greeting or does it express a real sata/insanity of the
contents?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:03:59 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Nice Terroists
Dream Title Nice Terroists
Date of Dream 9/13/01 @ 3am-8am
Dream Well it started out on a strange and
foreign beach with three men i didn't know. Then two of them
dissapeared and one skinny,pale and periced one was left. We
were strongly attracked to eachother and we then had very
uncomfortale sex. Then it fades into a wood paneled room where
there are 4 tan men who are deffinately from the middle east. My
four month old son is there with me they tell me that they may
let me go after they finish making the bomb. It's real dark and
damp in this room. Well they tell me i can go but then one of
them comes in and says i cant leave they still need a hostage.
Then it fades to a large house that has a large stero system
playing some music, what kind i can't remember. But there's also
this slide/ride type huge thing. Me and about five or six people
who are my friends,but i have never met these people, we are
playing on this slide thing. One of the guys is my boyfriend we
chase eachother and then kiss, i feel content and happy. Then
the terroists come back and take me. well some how i then become
the guy who was my boyfriend.He runs to try and escape. He jumps
out of a bath room window and then on top of a van he falls
through the roof of the van and see's me lying there tied up and
then we look at eachother, the terroists open the doors on the
back of then van and then i wake up.
Comments by Dreamer The dream felt really real. I want to
say that these terroist were really nice to me or i got that
feeling. i don't know how it relates to my life right now except
to say it my just be things that have been on my mind.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:29:49 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: precognitive dream from nette
Dream Title precognitive dream from nette, the
mystic detective
Date of Dream during the week of September 11, 2000
Dream Last year, September 11, 2000:
Nightmares following the birth of Sept. 4 - I am in a high rise
and I see an airplane outside get struck by lightning. It is
drifting into flames around tall buildings near my window, Mala?
Airlines? As it starts to hit the building I feel pressure all
around me and I start to freak out. Why did I have to go
through such painful labour only to die minutes later?
In light of Tuesday's tragedy: I can remember the dream and how I
felt, looking out of the window and watching the plane from the
inside of the building. Mala? Lightning was wrong or
misinterpretation of flames.
Comments by Dreamer I had given birth to my first son on
September 4, 2000 and in the week that followed had a series of
intense dream experiences, all accompanied by strong physical
sensations like I felt in this dream, a pressure around my body
pulling me down. I am not sure when I had the dream exactly,
but I do know I entered it in my computer dream journal on
September 11th of last year.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments I am glad I have found a place to share
this dream.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 282
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Digest Number 281
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
2. Re: fish
From: Heratheta
3. Precognitive dream?
From: Anonymous
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Re: Digest Number 281
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. fish
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:55:31 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: fish
Dream Title fish
Date of Dream 9/11/01
Dream I dreamed of 1 big fish swimming in a
body of water like a "pond". This fish was hard to catch. I
attempted many times until I caught it with a net. When I got it
i cut into pieces (like for cooking).
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: napsterites
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
2. Nice Terroists
From: Anonymous
3. precognitive dream from nette
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:06:50 -0700
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
Subject: Re: napsterites
Richard, the entrance to this site makes it seem formidable,
devilish, yuk. What is the attitude of its entries? Is this a
satiric greeting or does it express a real sata/insanity of the
contents?
Reply from Richard: Open to suggestions. Build an entrance and I
will take a look.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:03:59 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Nice Terroists
Dream Title Nice Terroists
Date of Dream 9/13/01 @ 3am-8am
Dream Well it started out on a strange and
foreign beach with three men i didn't know. Then two of them
dissapeared and one skinny,pale and periced one was left. We
were strongly attracked to eachother and we then had very
uncomfortale sex. Then it fades into a wood paneled room where
there are 4 tan men who are deffinately from the middle east. My
four month old son is there with me they tell me that they may
let me go after they finish making the bomb. It's real dark and
damp in this room. Well they tell me i can go but then one of
them comes in and says i cant leave they still need a hostage.
Then it fades to a large house that has a large stero system
playing some music, what kind i can't remember. But there's also
this slide/ride type huge thing. Me and about five or six people
who are my friends,but i have never met these people, we are
playing on this slide thing. One of the guys is my boyfriend we
chase eachother and then kiss, i feel content and happy. Then
the terroists come back and take me. well some how i then become
the guy who was my boyfriend.He runs to try and escape. He jumps
out of a bath room window and then on top of a van he falls
through the roof of the van and see's me lying there tied up and
then we look at eachother, the terroists open the doors on the
back of then van and then i wake up.
Comments by Dreamer The dream felt really real. I want to
say that these terroist were really nice to me or i got that
feeling. i don't know how it relates to my life right now except
to say it my just be things that have been on my mind.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:29:49 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: precognitive dream from nette
Dream Title precognitive dream from nette, the
mystic detective
Date of Dream during the week of September 11, 2000
Dream Last year, September 11, 2000:
Nightmares following the birth of Sept. 4 - I am in a high rise
and I see an airplane outside get struck by lightning. It is
drifting into flames around tall buildings near my window, Mala?
Airlines? As it starts to hit the building I feel pressure all
around me and I start to freak out. Why did I have to go
through such painful labour only to die minutes later?
In light of Tuesday's tragedy: I can remember the dream and how I
felt, looking out of the window and watching the plane from the
inside of the building. Mala? Lightning was wrong or
misinterpretation of flames.
Comments by Dreamer I had given birth to my first son on
September 4, 2000 and in the week that followed had a series of
intense dream experiences, all accompanied by strong physical
sensations like I felt in this dream, a pressure around my body
pulling me down. I am not sure when I had the dream exactly,
but I do know I entered it in my computer dream journal on
September 11th of last year.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments I am glad I have found a place to share
this dream.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 284
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Never in America
From: Anonymous
2. Woiseu
From: Anonymous
3. Finger sliced by cardboard cutter - by JH
From: Anonymous
4. coming on to me
From: Anonymous
5. New Dream
From: Anonymous
6. These are two dreams I had since the 11th. by JB
From: Anonymous
7. Fighting Back
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:38:47 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Never in America
Dream Title Never in America
Date of Dream 8/30
Dream About two weeks ago I dreamed that I was
in a large one story building waiting to board a plane to China.
The Chinese began bombing. I could see planes filling the air
and bombs were dropping everywhere. I hid under a cot in a back
room. I remember being terrified, but also completely stunned
that this was happening in the U.S.
The Chinese then began tying the hands of some of the people that
were in the front room and taking them away. The rest of us
they let go.
I was very shaken by this dream. When I awoke I remembered it
vividly.
Comments by Dreamer This was not a common dream setting or
theme for me. The most important feature of the dream was not
it's imagery or the action, but the strong emotions I felt. The
terror, anguish, and above all the shock and disbelief that this
was happening here. That is why I feel the dream was prophetic
although the details were very different from actual events.
When I awoke Tuesday morning to hear of the events that had
occured I immediately thought of this dream, because the feelings
were the same.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:35:40 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Woiseu
Dream Title Woiseu
Date of Dream 9/12/01;9/13/01
Dream I have had 2 nightmares since the
attack. The first night was basically many people being rounded
up, and being moved in a large ring. We could see the people
shooting at us. I think everyone in the dream was female.
My mother was also in the dream, but not involved in helping me.
Most of the dream is unorganized.
The next night my dream again inlcuded a group I was in, smaller,
moving through a dark building. There were spiders. A large one
dug it's fangs into my hand. It was inevitable that one would
get me because they were all over.
Comments by Dreamer I often have spiders in my nightmares,
they often bite me, and sometimes represent another person -
being obvious in the dream...
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:47:36 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Finger sliced by cardboard cutter - by JH
Finger sliced by cardboard cutter - by JH
Before the event I have had several nightmares - that have
personal dimensions related to my own challenges, but they also
suggest perhaps a keying in to the collective. One dream a week
before Sept 11 - was me looking through the inside of a burning
plane. As I am in NZ I was of course asleep and dreaming as the
terrorism was happening. I dreamed I was amongst dangerous forces
- people with very dark eyes. There was a conspiracy. Then I was
running in a building trying to escape something terrifying. It
felt like Russia. Everything was in a state of collapse. I open a
door I expect to be locked and go through to a back door -
looking for someone to help me. An Arab man comes towards me and
slices my finger slowly and definitely with a cardboard cutter.
It was senselessly cruel and unexpected. Most of the night I
tossed and turned - waking a lot. I awoke uncharacteristically
early and turned on the radio to hear the news. I was stunned.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:17:17 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: coming on to me
Dream Title coming on to me
Date of Dream 9/16/01
Dream my friends boyfriend was coming on to
me. he kept looking at me and telling me that he wants me
Comments by Dreamer one day awhile ago he told my friend i
was giving him the eye
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:58:10 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
Dream Title Illegal Seagulls, Emily
Date of Dream Saturday, 9/15, 7:00 a.m.
Dream I dreamed I was designing a web page for
a course and it was a page of road map-like areas and mostly I
was trying to fit together the shapes, colors and sizes so they
were aesthetically pleasing to me. There was one section toward
the top where I had animated seagulls flying to and fro. I
asked my brother to look at what I had made and he pointed out I
couldn't use the animated seagulls because they were "illegal"
and that sort of animation could not be used. I argued that I
was taking a course and so it was different, I could use them to
show I knew how as I may need to use them in the future. He
replied that the newer software and forms of animation coming
out had made this older form obsolete and it would never be used
again. I was turning it "off" in my coding and deleting it when
I awoke.
Comments by Dreamer I live between Baltimore and Washington
and worked at the Pentagon during the 1970's. Currently I'm
taking web design courses at the University of Maryland. In
another online forum the night before this dream, we were
discussing how the plane which crashed into the Pentagon may
have been "lost" and only decided on the Pentagon because it
happened to be there and the hijackers knew it.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:37:57 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: These are two dreams I had since the 11th. by JB
These are two dreams I had since the 11th. by JB
This one was almost exactly 24 hours after the attack (afternoon
nap at 3pm South African time). I am walking across a field and I
look up and see a low-flying plane. It is painted red and blue.
Red on one side with blue stars and blue on the other with red
stars. It flies over me and then rears up in the sky and loops
over back towards the ground. As it turns above me I know that I
must run, but I can't work out which way to run. It hits the
ground behind me and debris scatters towards me. I finally start
running, uphill, with dream-deadened legs. As I run, I am
expecting an explosion behind me.
This one was this morning (Saturday 15th about 6am SA time). I am
with my son. Some disaster has killed his entire class at school.
I am standing around watching as they are buried. They are all
being piled into a single huge coffin. Little toes sticking out
of the end of body-bags. I am thinking of how bright and alive
they seemed when they visited and wondering how my son is
managing to keep functioning. He's quiet, but not upset. I think
perhaps he has not yet realised what has happened - or just that
it is too enormous to comprehend. I'm really struggling to get my
head around the idea of so many dead children.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:19:30 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Fighting Back
Dream Title Fighting Back- by Bluefoot
Date of Dream 9-14-01
Dream I am at the house I grew up in, there is
chaos in the streets with armed terrorists raiding my town and
killing people. My house is already full of bodies and
everything is broken, looks like... well, a war zone, which it
is. Myself and a girl I used to work with are peering out into
the street through venetian blinds, hoping terrorists won't see
us and come kill us. I decide to prepare myself. I pick up a
broomstick, and a tin can. I start thinking and I want to melt
down a lot of lead (not sure where i would get said lead...),
pour it into the tin can and set the broomstick in it until it
cools and hardens, then use this creation as a mace to bash some
terrorist skulls in. I don't have time to do all this, however,
because one of them kicks in the door when all i've got is the
broomstick. I throw the broomstick at him, he starts throwing
knives at me, which i dodge, then he throws some throwing stars,
i manage to dodge most of them, catch the rest and throw them
back. Then he throws one that gets embedded in my forehead,
which hurts. He laughs and says "Now you're dead!" But i'm not
dead and i say "Not quite yet...", pull the throwing star out of
my skull and throw it back again... Then it moves on to me being
pursued by the FBI because they think I am in league with the
terrorists. A bit later I run into my ex-girlfriend's father and
he tells me how i've ruined the world... the sun is setting, the
clouds are burning with big towers of flame.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 285
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. strange dreams
From: Anonymous
2. Re: Butterflies/Dates and hours
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
3. Dead Sea/ACPrien
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:54:54 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: strange dreams
Dream Title strange dreams
Date of Dream 11/09/01
Dream Hi dear, I dreamed Bill Clinton and the
first italian minister.Clinton was in holiday with is wife to
Italy and the first minister italian wore some sunglasses very
funny infact when I woke up I was still laughing. By the way I'm
italian.
My email: macolinaleeds@yahoo.it
Comments by Dreamer I didn't think about the morning when I
woke, but I felt quite different the afternoon when I heard the
news.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:35:25 -0700
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
Subject: Re: Butterflies/Dates and hours
It's odd, but for all the terror dreams I had before this
abomidable event, now I dreamed of huge butterflies, so large and
translucent that they didn;t seem real. The woman friend in my
dream was very agitated about everything during the course of
this dream, including the butterflies that "someone had let in."
Her spouse, on the other hand, was cheerful and asked me to be
ready at eight o'clock. I don;t know for what. An odd appearance
of dates and hours has been strongly present in my latest dreams.
The September 20th has come up twice, with the same dream
figures, i might add.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:05:19 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dead Sea/ACPrien
Dream Title Dead Sea/ACPrien
Date of Dream 9/6/01, 5a.m.
Dream I am motionless on a dark,steely-grey
ocean.It is dead with no waves.The entire scene is dark.I can
barely see a shoreline in front of me, when I turn there is
another shoreline in
back of me.I feel caught in a vast sea of uncertainty.One
shoreline seems a tiny bit closer than the other. I make a
decision and swim for it.
Comments by Dreamer Dream came quick as a flash.Not the
usual going morning dream.I had no feeling of connection,only a
strong decision to go forward to distant shore.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 286
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. My Death
From: Anonymous
2. Beau Bridges (S.Ginsberg)
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:37:09 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: My Death
Dream Title My Death - Dking
Date of Dream 9/17/01 @ 6:00 am
Dream I dream that I went to purchase an
outfit at a boutique. When I gave the woman my credit card, she
ran it and then informed me that the card was cancelled because
of my death. They had receive a check for my outstanding
balance. She showed me the check and an invite to the wake that
was to be held, tonight, 8/14/01. She also mention that a
girlfriend of mine and I have passed away, a week apart. (This
girlfriend of mine died last year in June). I went to the wake, I
only recognize one person and all the other people I did not
recognize. There was a casket but it was closed. The next
morning, I was going with my two sisters and a girlfriend (who I
have not seen in 10 years) to a makeup shoot. I was depressed
about this people thinking I was dead and all; I wanted to
discuss it with my sister, but she was caught up in the makeup
shoot. So, I left it alone and said I will tell her later.
Then, I woke up. **The conversation with my sisters occurred! !
in another state. My girlfriend that I recognized at the wake,
the one that died last year and the one that was with me and my
sisters going to the makeup shoot all live in the same state;
which I now reside.
Comments by Dreamer The dream was unsettling to me. I hope
it was not a premonition informing me that I will be passing
soon.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments That is fine.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:39:40 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Beau Bridges (S.Ginsberg)
Dream Title Beau Bridges (S.Ginsberg)
Date of Dream 9/12/01
Dream A very small dream fragment a few days
after the tragedy to our country and the devastation to so many
people:
No dialogue...just a close up of Beau Bridges. He looks straight
at me (the dreamer) then he's doing something with his hands,
below the camera's view. He comes up with an open lipstick tube,
and applies it (deftly) to his lips without the use of a mirror.
Then he smiles lightly, and looks directly at me again, and
smiles as if to say, "This is really important, get it!"
Comments by Dreamer Beautiful bridges. That's what I think
we need now. Not the burning bridges that I fear. Here is this
masculine man, used to leading. He has power, but he needs
something else. When he applied the lipstick, it was as if he
knew that he now needs the feminine side in order to be
successful. He is glad to be able to use this part of his power.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 287
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Trying on the 40's/Calico Red
From: Anonymous
2. I had a dream about two scyscrapers.
From: Anonymous
3. Re: Beau Bridges (S.Ginsberg)
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:28:54 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Trying on the 40's/Calico Red
Dream Title Trying on the 40's/Calico Red
Date of Dream Sept. 18, 200l@ 1 am
Dream I am in my grandparent's old apartment
building in Seattle with some young women. We are on a second
level which is a very nice lounge/bar trying on old vintage 40's
style outfits. The young women look stunning in them and I take
their picture.
Comments by Dreamer When I woke up it was clear to me that
we are/will be "trying on" what it is like to be in a major war
such as WW II. It gave me a sinking feeling.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:43:23 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: I had a dream about two scyscrapers.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:59:56 +0100, in alt.dreams you wrote:
A few days before New York lost it's two front teeth I had a
dream about two skyscrapers. I remember about 5 to 10 percent
of the dream. The content and the fact that it was a
significant and 'dramatic' thought provoking dream. The content
that I remember is that for some reason (established in the
parts of the dream I don't remember) I had to meet someone on
the top (roof. not top floor) of one tower. I had previously
been in the other tower (I don't think they were the WTC because
the tower I was in before was taller than this one) I rushed
around but for some reason couldn't find a way to the top until
I found a lift. The problem is, it was a disabled lift (for
disabled people) I felt guilty but decided reluctantly to use
it. Significant things happened after that, none of which I can
remember.
A few days *after* New York lost it's two front teeth I had a
short dream about simply viewing the planes going into the
towers from a camera-type viewpoint. The difference was that
two planes went into each tower, that's 4 planes overall.
The reason why I post this is because I have never been in a
skyscraper in my life and have never dreamt about even one (let
alone two in one dream!) in my life until a few days before the
two most famous landmarks in America are no more. I am not
superstitious but it is worth noting (and posting) isn't it?
It just occurred to me that IF (and that's a big if) the first
dream was a premonition, then maybe the reason I had to get to
the top of the tower to meet someone was to warn them that it
was about to be hit and that he should warn everyone to get
down. And maybe the reason why I had just been in the other
tower was because I had warned someone there and that I knew
*both* towers were in trouble. And maybe the trouble I had
getting to the top signifies the fact that people above the
plane impacts were trapped.
Out of interest I had a thought on the day the tragedy happened
- why weren't there parachutes in the building? It may sound
silly but if you think about it makes sense - bear in mind
that in the world of safety you can never be too careful and
people usually are very careful. now, when people see that it
is perfectly safe and possible to parachute from tall
buildings, why didn't they put two and two together and place
parachutes (maybe in a cupboard) on every floor of a skyscraper
in the (unlikely) event that the building catching fire and
people above the fire being trapped. (or that someone decides
to fly a plane into it, but who knew?)
I thought about that as soon as I saw the people waving white
sheets out of the windows of the WTC, I thought "If only they
had parachutes. if they were willing to jump *without* them
then surely they'd be willing to jump with them".
So basically all you need to escape quickly from a doomed
building is a brick and a parachute. the brick to break the
permanently shut windows. I wonder if this will now happen in
skyscrapers? or is there some major flaw in my logic which I
have not spotted?
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My name it's Peter Lobley. If it is relevant I am from Britain,
I watched the events as they happened on TV (most people were at
work here so heard it on the radio or not at all until
afterwards) It was particularly surreal and emotional to see the
second tower fall because that happened exactly as the camera
was on it. I was also quite shocked to see the apparent
civilians cheering ecstatically in some Middle east country. I
have been shocked by the tv-news twice in my whole life. Both in
the past few weeks. The first was when I saw people in
Northern-Ireland throwing stones and blast bombs at children
going to school. The second was the terrorist attacks on America
. Both have shown me what hate and ignorance can do. Both have
made me want to do something and be involved somehow.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:39:17 +0100
From: "P Ingerson" <pi
Subject: Re: Beau Bridges (S.Ginsberg)
----- Original Message ----- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:39:40 -
0700 Subject: Beau Bridges (S.Ginsberg) | | Dream Title
Beau Bridges (S.Ginsberg) | Date of Dream 9/12/01 |
| No dialogue...just a close up of Beau Bridges. He looks
straight at me | (the dreamer) then he's doing something with his
hands, below the | camera's view. He comes up with an open
lipstick tube, and applies | it (deftly) to his lips without the
use of a mirror. Then he smiles | lightly, and looks directly at
me again, and smiles as if to say, | "This is really important,
get it!" | | Comments by Dreamer Beautiful bridges. That's
what I think we | need now. Not the burning bridges that I fear.
Here is this masculine | man, used to leading. He has power, but
he needs something else. | When he applied the lipstick, it was
as if he knew that he now | needs the feminine side in order to
be successful. He is glad to be | able to use this part of his
power. |
That was inspiring and beautiful. Thank you for sharing it.
It probably also explains why I've had a couple of dreams this
past week about crossdressing. Now I wish I'd posted them here,
but it didn't seem worth recording dreams about something so
frivolous after so much tragedy it the world.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 282
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Digest Number 281
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
2. Re: fish
From: Heratheta
3. Precognitive dream?
From: Anonymous
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Re: Digest Number 281
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. fish
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:55:31 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: fish
Dream Title fish
Date of Dream 9/11/01
Dream I dreamed of 1 big fish swimming in a
body of water like a "pond". This fish was hard to catch. I
attempted many times until I caught it with a net. When I got it
i cut into pieces (like for cooking).
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: napsterites
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
2. Nice Terroists
From: Anonymous
3. precognitive dream from nette
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:06:50 -0700
From: "kim ben-porat" <babel
Subject: Re: napsterites
Richard, the entrance to this site makes it seem formidable,
devilish, yuk. What is the attitude of its entries? Is this a
satiric greeting or does it express a real sata/insanity of the
contents?
-----Original Message----- From: Wilkerson, Richard
<rcwilk@dreamgate.com> To: dream-flow@yahoogroups.com <dream-
flow@yahoogroups.com>; dreamstream@topica.com
<dreamstream@topica.com>; DreamsRus@onelist.com
<DreamsRus@onelist.com> Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:50 AM
Subject: [dream-flow] Precognitive dream?
>Dream Title Precognitive dream? Sao >Date of Dream
10:05 AM 9/8/2001 >Dream The
following is an excerpt of a post I made at >09-10-01 at 3:12 pm
at www.napsterites.net, a private forum of over 400 >music and
computer enthusiasts. Unfortunately I cannot just link you to the
>post, only members may read posts and to become a member can
take up to a >couple of weeks. There is a section of the forum
("The Underground") where >any topic can be discussed and someone
started a thread called "what do you >dream?" I made a very long
(nearly 10,000 words) reply to this thread, >largely in response
to users who had stated that they believed dreams were >simply
"wish-fulfillment," and covering many topics, especially
>"clairvoyant" dreams. I talked at length about precognitive
dreams, freely >admitting that many of my precognitive dreams
could be "stretches of the >imagination and coincidence." It
included a discussion of what I believe >was a precognitive dream
of the OKC bombing as well, the account of which I >may post here
later. This excerpt is a very small part of the post, in >which I
also spoke about [i]this forum[/i] and provided many links to
>threads here to illustrate a number of points and talked a lot
about what >I've learned here. The whole thing is a bit sprawling
and convoluted even >with editing, but I summed up this first
reply with a dream that I had had >the night of the 8th (in
red)... (warning: some strong language) > > > > > >To unsubscribe
from this group, send an email to: >dream-flow-
unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is
subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:03:59 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Nice Terroists
Dream Title Nice Terroists
Date of Dream 9/13/01 @ 3am-8am
Dream Well it started out on a strange and
foreign beach with three men i didn't know. Then two of them
dissapeared and one skinny,pale and periced one was left. We
were strongly attracked to eachother and we then had very
uncomfortale sex. Then it fades into a wood paneled room where
there are 4 tan men who are deffinately from the middle east. My
four month old son is there with me they tell me that they may
let me go after they finish making the bomb. It's real dark and
damp in this room. Well they tell me i can go but then one of
them comes in and says i cant leave they still need a hostage.
Then it fades to a large house that has a large stero system
playing some music, what kind i can't remember. But there's also
this slide/ride type huge thing. Me and about five or six people
who are my friends,but i have never met these people, we are
playing on this slide thing. One of the guys is my boyfriend we
chase eachother and then kiss, i feel content and happy. Then
the terroists come back and take me. well some how i then become
the guy who was my boyfriend.He runs to try and escape. He jumps
out of a bath room window and then on top of a van he falls
through the roof of the van and see's me lying there tied up and
then we look at eachother, the terroists open the doors on the
back of then van and then i wake up.
Comments by Dreamer The dream felt really real. I want to
say that these terroist were really nice to me or i got that
feeling. i don't know how it relates to my life right now except
to say it my just be things that have been on my mind.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:29:49 -0700
From:
Anonymous
Subject: precognitive dream from nette
Dream Title precognitive dream from nette, the
mystic detective
Date of Dream during the week of September 11, 2000
Dream Last year, September 11, 2000:
Nightmares following the birth of Sept. 4 - I am in a high rise
and I see an airplane outside get struck by lightning. It is
drifting into flames around tall buildings near my window, Mala?
Airlines? As it starts to hit the building I feel pressure all
around me and I start to freak out. Why did I have to go
through such painful labour only to die minutes later?
In light of Tuesday's tragedy: I can remember the dream and how I
felt, looking out of the window and watching the plane from the
inside of the building. Mala? Lightning was wrong or
misinterpretation of flames.
Comments by Dreamer I had given birth to my first son on
September 4, 2000 and in the week that followed had a series of
intense dream experiences, all accompanied by strong physical
sensations like I felt in this dream, a pressure around my body
pulling me down. I am not sure when I had the dream exactly,
but I do know I entered it in my computer dream journal on
September 11th of last year.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments I am glad I have found a place to share
this dream.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 284
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Never in America
From: Anonymous
2. Woiseu
From: Anonymous
3. Finger sliced by cardboard cutter - by JH
From: Anonymous
4. coming on to me
From: Anonymous
5. New Dream
From: Anonymous
6. These are two dreams I had since the 11th. by JB
From: Anonymous
7. Fighting Back
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:38:47 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Never in America
Dream Title Never in America
Date of Dream 8/30
Dream About two weeks ago I dreamed that I was
in a large one story building waiting to board a plane to China.
The Chinese began bombing. I could see planes filling the air
and bombs were dropping everywhere. I hid under a cot in a back
room. I remember being terrified, but also completely stunned
that this was happening in the U.S.
The Chinese then began tying the hands of some of the people that
were in the front room and taking them away. The rest of us
they let go.
I was very shaken by this dream. When I awoke I remembered it
vividly.
Comments by Dreamer This was not a common dream setting or
theme for me. The most important feature of the dream was not
it's imagery or the action, but the strong emotions I felt. The
terror, anguish, and above all the shock and disbelief that this
was happening here. That is why I feel the dream was prophetic
although the details were very different from actual events.
When I awoke Tuesday morning to hear of the events that had
occured I immediately thought of this dream, because the feelings
were the same.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:35:40 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Woiseu
Dream Title Woiseu
Date of Dream 9/12/01;9/13/01
Dream I have had 2 nightmares since the
attack. The first night was basically many people being rounded
up, and being moved in a large ring. We could see the people
shooting at us. I think everyone in the dream was female.
My mother was also in the dream, but not involved in helping me.
Most of the dream is unorganized.
The next night my dream again inlcuded a group I was in, smaller,
moving through a dark building. There were spiders. A large one
dug it's fangs into my hand. It was inevitable that one would
get me because they were all over.
Comments by Dreamer I often have spiders in my nightmares,
they often bite me, and sometimes represent another person -
being obvious in the dream...
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:47:36 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Finger sliced by cardboard cutter - by JH
Finger sliced by cardboard cutter - by JH
Before the event I have had several nightmares - that have
personal dimensions related to my own challenges, but they also
suggest perhaps a keying in to the collective. One dream a week
before Sept 11 - was me looking through the inside of a burning
plane. As I am in NZ I was of course asleep and dreaming as the
terrorism was happening. I dreamed I was amongst dangerous forces
- people with very dark eyes. There was a conspiracy. Then I was
running in a building trying to escape something terrifying. It
felt like Russia. Everything was in a state of collapse. I open a
door I expect to be locked and go through to a back door -
looking for someone to help me. An Arab man comes towards me and
slices my finger slowly and definitely with a cardboard cutter.
It was senselessly cruel and unexpected. Most of the night I
tossed and turned - waking a lot. I awoke uncharacteristically
early and turned on the radio to hear the news. I was stunned.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:17:17 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: coming on to me
Dream Title coming on to me
Date of Dream 9/16/01
Dream my friends boyfriend was coming on to
me. he kept looking at me and telling me that he wants me
Comments by Dreamer one day awhile ago he told my friend i
was giving him the eye
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:58:10 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
Dream Title Illegal Seagulls, Emily
Date of Dream Saturday, 9/15, 7:00 a.m.
Dream I dreamed I was designing a web page for
a course and it was a page of road map-like areas and mostly I
was trying to fit together the shapes, colors and sizes so they
were aesthetically pleasing to me. There was one section toward
the top where I had animated seagulls flying to and fro. I
asked my brother to look at what I had made and he pointed out I
couldn't use the animated seagulls because they were "illegal"
and that sort of animation could not be used. I argued that I
was taking a course and so it was different, I could use them to
show I knew how as I may need to use them in the future. He
replied that the newer software and forms of animation coming
out had made this older form obsolete and it would never be used
again. I was turning it "off" in my coding and deleting it when
I awoke.
Comments by Dreamer I live between Baltimore and Washington
and worked at the Pentagon during the 1970's. Currently I'm
taking web design courses at the University of Maryland. In
another online forum the night before this dream, we were
discussing how the plane which crashed into the Pentagon may
have been "lost" and only decided on the Pentagon because it
happened to be there and the hijackers knew it.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:37:57 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: These are two dreams I had since the 11th. by JB
These are two dreams I had since the 11th. by JB
This one was almost exactly 24 hours after the attack (afternoon
nap at 3pm South African time). I am walking across a field and I
look up and see a low-flying plane. It is painted red and blue.
Red on one side with blue stars and blue on the other with red
stars. It flies over me and then rears up in the sky and loops
over back towards the ground. As it turns above me I know that I
must run, but I can't work out which way to run. It hits the
ground behind me and debris scatters towards me. I finally start
running, uphill, with dream-deadened legs. As I run, I am
expecting an explosion behind me.
This one was this morning (Saturday 15th about 6am SA time). I am
with my son. Some disaster has killed his entire class at school.
I am standing around watching as they are buried. They are all
being piled into a single huge coffin. Little toes sticking out
of the end of body-bags. I am thinking of how bright and alive
they seemed when they visited and wondering how my son is
managing to keep functioning. He's quiet, but not upset. I think
perhaps he has not yet realised what has happened - or just that
it is too enormous to comprehend. I'm really struggling to get my
head around the idea of so many dead children.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:19:30 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Fighting Back
Dream Title Fighting Back- by Bluefoot
Date of Dream 9-14-01
Dream I am at the house I grew up in, there is
chaos in the streets with armed terrorists raiding my town and
killing people. My house is already full of bodies and
everything is broken, looks like... well, a war zone, which it
is. Myself and a girl I used to work with are peering out into
the street through venetian blinds, hoping terrorists won't see
us and come kill us. I decide to prepare myself. I pick up a
broomstick, and a tin can. I start thinking and I want to melt
down a lot of lead (not sure where i would get said lead...),
pour it into the tin can and set the broomstick in it until it
cools and hardens, then use this creation as a mace to bash some
terrorist skulls in. I don't have time to do all this, however,
because one of them kicks in the door when all i've got is the
broomstick. I throw the broomstick at him, he starts throwing
knives at me, which i dodge, then he throws some throwing stars,
i manage to dodge most of them, catch the rest and throw them
back. Then he throws one that gets embedded in my forehead,
which hurts. He laughs and says "Now you're dead!" But i'm not
dead and i say "Not quite yet...", pull the throwing star out of
my skull and throw it back again... Then it moves on to me being
pursued by the FBI because they think I am in league with the
terrorists. A bit later I run into my ex-girlfriend's father and
he tells me how i've ruined the world... the sun is setting, the
clouds are burning with big towers of flame.
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