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Volume #7 Issue #12
December 2000
ISSN# 1089 4284
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes : Please become a member of ASD
++ Event: Mutual Dream Destination for December 15 : Palm Beach, Florida, USA.
++ Notes to the Editor/Dream Airing:
+ ASD membership form for 2001
+ ASD offers 1 month free E-Study topic discussions
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Column: The Dream Doctor
By Charles McPhee, Ph.D.
++ Column: The DreamSpinner Column
On vacation, back next month!
By Bjo Ashwill
++ Column: "The Lucid Bird's Words"
Lucid Email Excerpts: The First Experiences of a Budding Lucid Dreamer.
Marc Vandekeere
++ Article: Dream Replicants and the Emergence of Simulacra
By Richard Wilkerson
++ Column: Madame Aionia's Astrological Dreaming Series:
Dreaming Through the Houses: 11th House for November
By Madame Aionia
A S D E - N E W S special section
D R E A M S S E C T I O N :
This issue includes volume #21 volume#41
D E A D L I N E :
December 15, deadline for JANUARY 2001 submissions
M.U.T.U.A.L D.R.E.A.M T.A.R.G.E.T
December 15, 2000 : Palm Beach County, Florida, USA.
NEXT MONTH: 2001 A Dream Odyssey
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Editor's Notes
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Welcome to the November 2000 issue of Electric Dreams.
If you are new to Electric Dreams, I should mention that some of the parts of this issue
are unusual. I still have the zine split into three basic parts, the news, the articles and the
dreams sent in over the month. But I have a special focus this month on The Association
for the Study of Dreams [ASD].
As many of you know, I manage their website and am the Chair of the Electronic
Communications Committee. The ASD community and the Electric Dreams community
sometimes come to loggerheads over the issue of how appropriate it is to discuss the
meaning of dreams on the Internet and this debate sometimes overshadows my delight
with ASD as an organization that promotes dreams and dreaming around the world.
This is my key mission, raising the awareness and contact of my culture with dreams. I
don't expect to see dream sharing return to my culture as a common everyday practice in
my lifetime, but I do see and work towards this happening as the cultural level of
enlightenment increases. This mission or goal allows me to set aside my personal issues
with various individuals and organizations when this temporary self-denial is in the
service of the Dream Movement. I hope this is read by many of the organizations and
individuals who have forwarded the Dream Movement and that we can pull together in
the coming years to be very alchemical and accelerate the rate at which the movement
turns from its baser supports into finer materials.
So, this month, I would like to call you attention to the Association for the Study of
Dreams, a non-profit, international, multidisciplinary organization dedicated to the pure
and applied investigation of dreams and dreaming. ASD states that its purposes are to
promote an awareness and appreciation of dreams in both professional and public arenas;
to encourage research into the nature, function, and significance of dreaming; to advance
the application of the study of dreams; and to provide a forum for the eclectic and
interdisciplinary exchange of ideas and information.
They have done a fine job of this for nearly two decades. The annual international
conference is a scene like no other. Not only is it a fine educational experience and often
a great spiritual happening, it is also a fabulous place to become empowered and
networked. Rarely have I gotten the individual attention and group support that comes
from ASD members. ASD is very special in that they decided very early to welcome
*all* dream perspectives, from the most hardheaded scientists to the most bizarre
visionaries. The clash of ideas is wonderful and can be seen in the many other projects
that ASD offers, including a peer-reviewed journal, a magazine, regional meeting, the
website and the many other online projects.
ASD's Community Outreach
Some of the online projects you can get involved with for free, without being a member.
The ASD E-News will keep you up on ASD happenings. The ASD bulletin board,
hosted by Jean Campbell and the ASD community is a wonderful place to ask questions
about dreaming. (Please don't ask there for interpretations of dreams). The ASD website
now has articles from past Dreaming journal and Dream Time Magazine. Dream Time
now offers a monthly live chat with famous dream personalities and the most renowned
researchers and authors, such as Patricia Garfield, Jeremy Taylor, Alan Siegel, G. W.
Domhoff, Marc Barach, and many others. This month on the 29th, Strephon Kaplan-
Williams will be online from 7pm tp 8pm Pacific Time.
http://www.asdreams.org/
Become a Member
But I want you to do more than just use the resources. I want you to contribute to them, to
become an ASD member. No one has ever gotten rich from dreamwork, not Freud, not
Jung and definitely not ASD. It is a volunteer organization and we use all the money each
year to continue these fabulous programs. Your contributions don't end up in the pockets
of promoters, but rather in the raising of cultural level of awareness about dreams.
Study Dreams Online with Experts!
As a member, you not only get the journal, the magazine for free as well as substantial
conference discounts, but you can also participate in the ASD E-Study Groups Online
via e-mail. This project, started by Alan Siegel, Ph.D. and watched over by the
Electronic Communications Committee, offers a growing selection of ongoing discussion
lists focusing on interesting topics in dreams and dreaming. Lucid Dreaming, Dreaming
and Telepathy, Dream Psi, Spiritual Dreaming, Dreams and Creativity, Dreams and the
Humanities, Dreams and Film are just a few of the study groups you can join. There is
no extra cost for joining one or a dozen study groups, your membership allows you
access to all of them. Each one is hosted by an expert in the field and all levels of
conversation are welcome. Whether you are interested in top notch discussions about
your dream research project, or simply want to know more about lucid dreaming, or what
to chat with other people interested in dreams, these groups are your passport to
knowledge, education and dream community.
How to become a member?
Easy. You can stop by the website and use a credit card online, or you can use the form
below and send it with a check to Sue Morano at the business office address.
http://www.asdreams.org/idxmembership.htm
If you are already a member, consider registering early and/or giving a donation or giving
a gift donation.
As a new bonus for membership, we will also put up a webpage about you on the ASD
website with your picture and information about you.
Double Bonus: If you sign up before December 1, I will also include you for free in the
two month DreamGate "History of Dreams" class that I offer online, a $30.00 free
discount to you! For more about the class, see
http://www.dreamgate.com/class
Let me see those new membership numbers climb with your name on them, and let's get
the Dream Movement rolling for 2001 through ASD memberships!
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The rest of the issue:
Special note to dreamers who are having ELECTION DREAMS: There are two research
projects going. Please send dreams about elections to:
Kelly Bulkeley: see http://www.kellybulkeley.com
Dreams about Gore or Bush are requested by Dee at Dee777@aol.com
Bjo is on leave this month and will return in January, 2001. Be sure and check out her
new improved website http://www.spinner-soft.com. Leave one of your dreams on the
Spinner Dream Database and join the message board. The DreamSpinner Column will
return next month.
Charles McPhee returns to comment on dreams. If you haven't seen his new Dream
Doctor site, I recommend stopping by and adding some dreams to the growing collection
and special teen section! http://www.dreamdoctor.com
"The Lucid Bird's Words" returns with Lucid Email Excerpts: The First Experiences of a
Budding Lucid Dreamer. Marc Vandekeere provided us this year with a very extensive
lucid dream manual. Now Marc has turned his attention to an example of a person
starting to learn lucid dreaming through a real correspondence with another lucid dream
enthusiast.
This month's excerpt from Lucy Gillis's "Lucid Dream Exchange" includes an example
of lucid dreaming where the issue of real vs. imaginary pain is explored, as well as real
vs. imaginary dream characters. Are they "our" characters, or do they have a higher status
than objects?
Speaking of identity in dreams, what happens when we mix postmodern cultural theory
with dream analysis? In my article on Dream Replicants, I suggest that there are entities
in the universe that escape our usual way of being represented and use our dream figures
to launch themselves from the virtual-imaginary into the becoming actual. Take a
science fiction ride with me in Dream Replicants and the Emergence of Simulacra.
If you are unfamiliar with Postmodern Theory, please stop by
http://www.dreamgate.com/pomo/
Madame Aionia finishes up the year with us by looking at dreams and the 12th House.
See how you can use the imagery in astrology to explore the meaning and value of your
dreams.
Ours news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has allowed us this month to
include the ASD E-news in place of the usual Global Dreaming News.
If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at
pcoats@dreamtree.com
What to send? Dream Conferences, seminars, lectures, workshops, groups. If you want
to review a dream website, send that to her or if you find a new website or put one up
yourself. If you see great articles online about dreams and dreaming, send those URL's
and a short review. Perhaps you have read a new dream book, or love an old classic in
dreams and want to send in a book review?
That's right, the Global Dreaming News has it all, and its *your* news as well. Be a
regular contributor and keep the dream network humming with information.
Our Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been organized by the
software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to look through the dreams and see what on
the mind and soul of dreamers in Cyberspace.
Are you new to dreamwork and dream sharing? Please send in an e-mail to
scoop@dreamgate.com for a list of suggested steps and resources in learning about
dreamwork and dreaming online.
The Mutual Dream Desitination: Palm Beach Florida. Lets meet and see what dream
chads we can encounter on December 15th.
If you would like a cover for your Electric Dreams, the cover is at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers
-Richard Wilkerson November 21, 2000
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Dream Airing:
News, Notes and Events
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Membership:
You can join online with a credit card at:
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Or print this form and send it in!
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To join ASD please complete this form and send to the e-mail below. Remember that
membership in ASD entitles you to a significant reduction in the annual conference and
regional meeting fees.
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The Association for the Study of Dreams
On November 29, 2000 at 7 PM Pacific Standard Time
Strephon Kaplan Williams, M.A. co-founder of ASD and author of Dream Cards
and many other publications will be our featured guest.
His topic will be: How To Discover Issues and Teachings in Dreams
For details, send an e-mail to chat@asdreams.org
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The Association for the Study of Dreams
Special Offer: One month free E-Study participation.
ASD offers discussion lists hosted by the experts in area of dreams and dreaming. The
lists include dreams and clinical work, dreams and spirituality, nightmares,
cyberdreaming, dreams and the humanities, dreams and film and many more. You are
invited to join as many as you like, and for one month they are free! After that time ASD
asks you become a member. This is a great way to support the dream movement and chat
with the world's most famous dream researchers at the same time!
http://www.asdreams.org/study
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Thanks again to Jenn Fraser we are within a couple of months of completion of the
Electric Dreams Articles Project! You can now access articles by author, or search topics,
at:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-articles
or with advertising at:
http://members.tripod.com/ed-articles/
We still need a host that will exchange space for a small ad that is dream related. If you
can offer us about 8 MB of web space, contact me at rcwilk@dreamgate.com
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Mutual Dream Destination, December15, 2000
Meet You In Florida
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Once a month, we have a place we designate as a dream destination. No, this doesn't
mean we think it's a great place. It means that for one reason or another, we have chosen
to pick this place to try and meet during a dream. What? Yes, that's right. We all put the
intention in our minds to meet, then try to dream of going to this place. We discuss this
afterwards. Did you see me? Did you get there? What was it like for you?
Sometime we have projects as well. For example, we went to Jerusalem in our dreams in
hopes of using our dreams to find new solutions and perspectives. Other times we just
want to have fun. Once we met under the sea, in the octopus's garden and had tea.
Can this really happen? What about different time zones?
OK, don't get overload by consensus reality. First, yes, people often have dreams where
upon awakening they find out that someone else had the dream too. We just boost this
process by lending a conscious intention to the game. It doesn't really matter if you
dream of Florida tonight after reading this, or on the specific date set out. We don't put
that kind of linear time requirement on this game. We are not trying to determine if we
"really had the same dream" or "really were there together". Let's just say that to some
degree, imaginal, psychic, cosmic, or comic, if we dream about similar things, we do
share those images and in a sense, we were both there.
You can share them on Dreamchatters or Dreamshare, two www.egroups.com discussion
lists, or you can send to Judith
<comadre@eGroups.com> and indicate whether you are comfortable posting them to the
Dreamshare conference.
About Mutual Dreaming: See Linda Magallon's Mutual Dreaming FAQ:
http://members.aol.com/dreampsi/archive/mutualdreaming.html#anchor456487
Where would *you* like to meet in the future?
Contact Judith
E-mail : coamdre@mindspring.com
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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AN EXCERPT FROM THE LUCID DREAM EXCHANGE
By Lucy Gillis
In many instances of lucid dreaming, pain is not usually felt. In the example below,
Heather, the dreamer, is surprised when a dream character gets angry for being called a
dream character and is able to inflict pain.
Heather
December 31 1990
I am in a car with my father, holding Tiny (a dog) in my arms. We decide we're going to
go somewhere but my uncle, A, arrives. We go to an apartment elevator with him and
two NHL hockey players. One of the players has red hair. We get off the elevator. I
have to hold Tiny tightly because the people in the apartment have a cat and two small
long-eared, long-tailed dogs. Soon I have to leave because it's snowing.
I'm then in what looks like the North End of the city, in an apartment.
Tiny is now inside a nailpolish bottle. I begin to sense that something's wrong. PG. and
another woman are there. I fling the bottle to the floor so it will break. Out pops a piece
of lint. I stare at it and know that when it shakes itself it will pop into being Tiny again.
When this happens I turn to the girls and say triumphantly "This is a dream!" PG is
exasperated and says "You mean to tell me that we are all dreaming?" I say "No. I am.
You are characters created by my mind."
Then I see a bright white light in a narrow horizontal band with black edges flash in my
eyes and on my hands. I get kind of surprised. PG gets angry and interlaces her fingers
with mine. I see more flashes rip through the "fabric" of the dream world and hear a
crackle and hiss like static. The fabric of that reality looks like bad reception in a TV.
PG bends my fingers back. I don't pay attention to her. Instead I wonder how my fingers
can hurt when I am aware that I am dreaming. So I try to wake myself up. I have to close
my eyes. I hear myself say "Open your eyes." I do and I see my bedroom wall. I close
my eyes again, and then open them to be sure I've pulled out of the dream.
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The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly issue featuring lucid dreams and lucid dream
related articles, poetry, and book reviews submitted by readers. For further information
contact Lucy Gillis at lucy_gillis@hotmail.com
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The Dream Doctor
Charles McPhee, Ph.D.
http://www.dreamdoctor.com
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"Brace Yourself!"
I'm getting braces soon and one night I had a dream that I was backing out of getting
them.
Then the angel Gabriel came to me and told me that I have to get braces because if I
didn't I couldn't get into heaven and if my teeth were crooked I would have to go to
purgatory and have to earn my straight teeth.
And I was so scared that I would go to hell that I woke up. What does it mean?
--Abby, Age 15, Porterville, CA, USA
Hi Abby -
Do you think straight teeth really are that important? That you wouldn't be allowed into
heaven if you had crooked ones? Hmmmm.... I don't know about this Gabriel guy...
Actually, your dream probably is more about obeying your parents - and making them
happy - than it is about any real life "heaven and hell" decisions. I think you're nervous
about getting your braces, and you've been thinking about backing out of it, but you don't
want to disappoint your parents - not after you've already seen the orthodontist, had
impressions made of your teeth, and had all the preparations done.
What's the message of this dream? It's time to "brace yourself" for a shiny pair of "train
tracks" lashed across your teeth! A lot of your friends are going to have them too - and
when you get done you'll have a very nice, pretty smile.
But uh.... In case you and Gabriel didn't finish your conversation - it takes more than a
cute smile to get into heaven.
(It has to be attached to a good heart!)
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The Lucid Bird's Words
Lucid Email Excerpts: The First Experiences of a Budding Lucid Dreamer
By Marc Vandekeere
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The following article was reformatted from an email correspondence with another lucid
dream enthusiast. It is always rewarding to hear about the excitement that lucid dreaming
can create. The wondrous experiences shared by other dreamers can serve as inspiration
and motivation to keep all of us focused on pursuing our own dreams. This person, we'll
call Dreamer1, is in the early stages of developing her lucid dreaming ability. This article
shares her first lucid dreaming experience along with some comments and advice from
me, Marc. I hope that this discourse can shed some light on the excitement and
experiences that a lucid newbie may encounter and offer some constructive tips on how
to make the most of your first lucid dreaming experiences.
Dreamer1: Hi Marc, I just had what I believe may have been an OBE!
Marc: Congratzzz!!! I'm all ears....
Dreamer1: I was listening to your Lucid Dreaming CD while using the wake/back to
sleep method...
Marc: That is definitely the best way to do it. The Wake/Back to Bed Method,
http://hometown.aol.com/ecsomatic/Page7.html, is the most effective approach to
developing your dreaming abilities. There is something magical about sleeping for
several hours, awakening for an hour and then returning to sleep that dramatically
increases yours odds of becoming lucid in your dreams. It is a great way to coordinate
your dream training with the best targeted time period. It may take rearranging your
sleeping pattern to use this Wake/Back to Bed Method, but as you can see, it really will
add some turbo power to your dreaming progress.
Dreamer1: Suddenly I thought, "Am I having an out of body experience? Try putting
your hand through the chair." I remembered this from the first Robert Monroe book.
Well, my arm went into the chair and I could feel the stuffing inside my husband's big
green recliner...
Marc: Isn't that a wild sensation?!? There is nothing quite like penetrating solid matter, at
least nothing found in our waking world. It's great to hear that you were successful and
especially on one of your first few experiences in a conscious dreamstate. Since you were
successful it indicates that you must have an open-mind and a less limiting system of
beliefs in place. Many people wouldn't be able to overcome their ingrained waking belief
that it is impossible to penetrate solid matter. You read about this experience and then
were able to experience it yourself. Good job! This is a great way to start opening the
doors of your dreaming perception. Many of my first dreaming experiences were directly
related to experiences that I had read about in books. Reading is a great way to fill your
mind with possibilities and set the stage for replicating these experiences in your own
dreams. Since this "solid matter penetration" method has working successfully for you I
suggest using this method again to increase your odds of becoming lucid in any future
dreams. Aside from being an effective means of sparking lucidity, it is quite an intense
experience in and of itself. For fun, try passing your hand through different substances
like wood, walls, glass or whatever, and notice how you perceive and experience each
substance as your arm or hand passes through it. The differences between each substance
can really be perceptually unique.
Dreamer1: ...my feet were sinking through the floor and I thought "This is like
quicksand, I'll sink all the way through. I'm up to my knees now, how can I walk here?"
As soon as I thought this I was back to walking on top of our brown carpet. Then
suddenly I seemed to be seeing an overview scene with streets, houses and buildings
below and I thought, "Well then, try to fly." I gave the order "Fly!" and tried to take off
but nothing happened. Next, I was in the back right passenger seat in a car looking out a
window, watching signs and storefronts pass by, and I called out "Focus" and the writing
did seem to get more clear. Although I've read LaBerge , that one cannot read in a dream,
as the writing is always backwards, which is supposed to be a clue to turn lucid, I can
always dream read just like it's newsprint, the sign I called out for focus on was the word
Pittsburgh.
Marc: I can usually read text in my dreams too, but if I look away and then glance back,
sometimes the text may have changed. Not always, but enough to sometimes effectively
realize I'm dreaming by noticing the morphed text. Usually while reading in a dream, if it
is just simple words like a street sign or restaurant logo, I have no problem reading it.
Actually reading a book or reading massive amounts of text in a dream can be a different
experience entirely. It seems as if the message and meaning of the text is transferred and
understood, but the text itself may not necessarily correspond to the meaning that is being
directly perceived. It's difficult to put in words, no pun intended, but it's almost as if the
text itself is not as important as the meaning. So if I am absorbing the information of the
text the words may actually be garbled and illegible but the meaning is able to make its
way out of the textual mayhem.
On a different subject entirely, one thing that you can try is to "assume you are
dreaming". Try to get into the habit of thinking and believing that it IS a dream whenever
you might be thinking that it is. It's hard to describe again, but it's like a faith in knowing
that you are being fooled into thinking it is a dream. Dreams can be so convincing that
they can fool you quite well, but I find that during my waking state I wonder if I am
dreaming far less than I do while dreaming, probably since less wild and illogical stuff is
happening. Anyway, just KNOW that it must be a dream whenever you are in wondering
if it is. Have the faith, assume that it must be and act as if it were a dream. By jump-
starting your lucidity like this, you can often bypass the whole 'reality-checking' stage.
It's initially hard to set this pattern and ingrain this habit, but when you do it can increase
your odds of successfully detecting that it is in fact a dream.
Dreamer1: I noticed that when I called out "Focus" the other three passengers in the car
did not seem to hear me. In fact, as soon as I noticed this, I heard a slight click and my
hearing seemed to turn off, leaving a very distinct silence. I'm not sure, but I think this
may have been the Lucid Dreaming CD changing tracks because then I heard you
repeating, "The next time I dream . . ." I tried to think my way back into putting my arm
through the chair to start all over again, but no luck.
Marc: Sounds to me like quite an experience. It's often so hard to tell what is a lucid
dream and what is an out of body experience. I'd focus less on trying to fit it into one
category or another and just focus on repeating any type of similar experience. The
experience is really what matters most. Our innate tendency to identify and categorize
everything makes a lot of these altered states of consciousness more confusing than they
really need to be. I recommend emphasizing experience. Experience it more and you'll
gain better ability to make sense of these various altered states.
It also sounds like you had a pretty long voyage considering it was one of your first
experiences. Over time you'll get better at maintaining control, clarity and lucidity.
Instead of having the dreamscape jump from one scene to another you'll be able to sustain
a longer, smoothly flowing conscious stream of experience. You also did a great job of
maintaining your dreaming awareness during the dream shifts. Oftentimes, when an
abrupt change occurs in a dream, it becomes difficult to stay lucid. These dream shifts
have a way of sucking you back into non-lucidity. I liked seeing that you exhibited a
good ability to monitor and acknowledge these dreamscape shits without losing your
focus or awareness.
It is also good to see that you already are using verbal commands to influence your
dreams. This verbal method of control works best for me. I've tried a lot of other methods
for influencing the course of a dream and none have the precision and control that verbal
commands provide. Next time you find yourself in a dream, try saying to yourself or
aloud, "I am in a lucid dream. Maintain lucidity!" This is a great way to maintain and
prolong your lucidity. Whenever you feel your lucidity is fading, repeat this verbal
command. By repeatedly using this command, you can easily "re-lucidify" your
dreaming awareness, extend your lucid adventures and gain far better control of the
dreamscape. By developing this habit in my dreaming awareness, I am now able to
maintain my lucidity for at least twenty minutes or so on average, and having lucid
dreams that can last over an hour is not out of the question. It certainly puts a new spin on
your dream life. It's almost like experiencing a whole day's worth of experience in one
dream. Hopefully, this verbal command approach can work as well for you too.
Dreamer1: Nevertheless, the experience was wild and wonderful. I never had any success
like this with Monroe's Gateway Discovery tapes or the LaBerge Nova Dreamer I tried as
I've had from your CD, and ultimately I sent the others back before the thirty day trial
period ran out.
Marc: I am very happy to hear that and glad to be of service. I personally get good use
out of my NovaDreamer. At first, wearing a sleep mask was quite cumbersome and
uncomfortable, but once I got used to wearing it, I found that it was a great tool for
inducing lucidity. It was especially helpful in the beginning stages. I don't use it as much
as I used to, but in a pinch and if I am going through a dry spell, I will don my little
dreaming mask and hope for the best.
Dreamer1: Thank you! I look forward to trying the other CDs. Unfortunately, with my
work schedule, I have not been able to put in the time I would like on these LD/OBE
adventures.
Take care and thank you again...
Marc: Thank you for keeping me posted with your progress. It is always inspirational to
hear the experiences of other dreamers. One thing to keep in mind is that a busy schedule
usually means poor dreaming results. A preoccupation with daily concerns and
responsibilities can really put a damper on your dreaming progress in many cases.
Considering your busy schedule, I think you are off to a great start and can look forward
to even more marvelous things to come! Just keep at it and you'll keep getting better and
better. Like any other skill it just takes some consistent discipline, action and application.
Best of EVERYTHING,
marc ^v^
http://how.to/luciddream
http://come.to/dreamresearch
http://go.to/mindvoyages
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Dream Replicants and the Emergence of Simulacra
Richard Wilkerson
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"We're gonna do, We're gonna do, kind of a science fiction story"
--Preamble to Wooden Ships at Woodstock.
Simulation is the situation created by any system of signs when it becomes sophisticated
enough, autonomous enough, to abolish its own referent and to replace it with itself."
-- Jean Baudrillard.
By rising to the surface, the simulacrum makes the Same and the Similar, the model and
the copy, fall under the power of the false (phantasm). It renders the order of
participation, the fixity of distribution, the determination of the hierarchy impossible. It
establishes the world of nomadic distributions and crowned anarchies. Far from being a
new foundation, it engulfs all foundations, it assures a universal breakdown, but as a
joyful and positive event, as an un-founding: "behind each cave another that opens still
more deeply, and beyond each surface a subterranean world yet more vast, more strange.
Richer still... and under all foundations, under every ground, a subsoil still more
profound."
-- Gilles Deleuze, "Plato and the Simulacrum," The Logic of Sense
One of the major sites of conflict in the interpretation of dreams has been whether they
reveal or conceal, a conflict found most clearly in the debate between the Freudian notion
of partial concealment and the Jungian notion of revelation. Several contemporary dream
scientists have tossed into the ring the notion that dreams are not revealing or concealing
anything. We might say that these schools of thought mark the extremes positions of the
modern and ancient world about dreams, that dreams are revealing, concealing, are
neither, or are a mixture of all of these.
However, all these notions (as notions, I don't want to attack the work or therapy
evolving out of them itself right now) all these notions involve the dream image as
representative. One camp may say that the dream image represents something important,
another that it doesn't. Others fall into the spectrum of value vs. no-value.
But what happens when dreaming and dreams are not seen so much as representing my
life, but as having motives all their own? This is not a new idea, and even goes back to
ancient views that see the figures in dreams as autonomous figures, ghosts, demons,
spirits and gods. More currently, Carl Jung, and then James Hillman have suggested that
even the ego in the dream, who I think of as me in the dream, may also not be me. Linda
Magallón has also suggested we give the dream a higher existential reality and address
the dream and dreamer and dreaming process as a kind of entity.
Wouldn't your friends in waking life think it was odd if you said, "Oh, glad to see you
again, hey this is what you represent to me...", or "let me interpret you!"
To suggest that the dream and its images may be very important and valuable, yet not
represent what they appear to be representing seems to throw us back into the Freudian
days when dream images were disguises of their true meanings. Jung felt that to go on the
assumption that the unconscious was only trying to fool us would be a disaster and a
complete surrender to being the hopeless victim of powers we never see.
But both of these views, and all of these views, are totalizing views. That is, they attempt
to account for all of dreaming. What dreamworkers have found is that ~all~ of these
operations and strategies are in the dream process; revelation, concealment, meaning,
meaninglessness, the fabulous and the pointless, the marvelous and the mundane. As
postmodern writer Jean Lyotard might say, they are all Grand Narratives that are used to
grab up and distribute all the meaning of the whole world in one story. Harry Hunt has
spent a great deal of time showing that the multiplicity of dreams is a more telling
metaphor than singularity of purpose. While various groups try to appropriate dreams
and dreaming for their purposes, there is always more to dreams and dreaming that
escapes their limits.
Still, it's hard to let go of the feeling that the dream is about me. Dreams so often contain
images that look and act like the people and objects in my life. How do I account for this
and what is the right term, sign, symbol, image, simulation, representation, duplication,
copy?
Notice how all these terms allow me to pull the image back into relationship to my life
and force the image to be less than the Real which it is imitating. Other notions such as
mask, personae, resemblance, staging, theatre, and actors all force the image to dance to
something beyond itself, while at the same time sheering off a thin surface and dumping
any depth and substance that is not related to that which the mask is representing.
Postmodern theorist Jean Baudrillard feels this process of representation has led us into a
postmodern world that is about to take off into the hyperreal. Early cultures had no
separation between the thing and what it represented. The Modern mind often misses this
and abstracts early cultures animism. Moderns laugh about how primitives saw their god
as a rock, a tree, a river. But this, according to James Hillman, this is a massive mis-
perception. We tend to spiritualize what is really soulful. The deity would inhabit and be
the rock sometimes and other times not. The rock didn't represent the god, the rock was,
at times, god. Of course, there is some romanticizing here. The primitive earth was full of
attempts to control the meaning of signs. To get them fixed, they were deeply cut into the
flesh, and familial connections were continually used to signify the flow of woman, of
goods, of discussion. Alliances were also developed with somewhat more freedom, but
also deeply regulated and viscously enforced.
According to poststructuralists Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, despotic pharaoh types
eventually collected all these natural flows of filiation and alliance of small tribes into
themselves, and made it appear as if all things flowed from them. All gold, all goods, all
seasons flowed from Pharoah. Now there was a representation, but only One. This was
enough to break the back between the signs and what they pointed to. To hold this horror
at bay (that signs might begin to represent something other than one thing) there were
terrible laws and caste societies. It was clear what things meant, and you could tell who
someone was just by their clothes. Transgressions were severely punished. Interpetations
of dreams were banned. Witches were burnt by the thousands for sharing dreams. There
could be no tolerance of other gods and religions who might interpret a sign differently
and threaten the system that tightly binds the sign to its meaning.
The Renaissance shows us the beginning of something different. Plays and writings that
addressed issues other than the Pharaoh began to bloom. It was a playful time for the
signs and psychology could emerge. What's behind the mask? With a little money, one
can change one's caste and clothes at a moments notice. What does the bible mean, this
or that? Who knows, and how do they know? There is a deep nostalgia for the past and
for Nature, but its too late. The sign and what it means have been completely severed.
The Marionette dances on the stage, but its only value now is in entertainment.
In the modern industrial world, things don't mean anything and we are used to it. The
robot that makes the cars is not the marionette that dances on the stage. The robot has a
local function and no one would think of trying to interpret its meaning. There is a
duplication of cars, of Barbie dolls, series of washers and microwaves, and continual re-
use of signs and models. The Cowboy is used to sell movies one day, cigarettes the next,
shaving cream the next. But have you ever seen a cowboy? Oh yes, on TV, so you have
had a real experience? Signs for the real are more apparent than reality itself. We begin
to live in a simulation of the Real and feel we are in contact with the Real.
If you are asking yourself, "Yes, but what is the Real we have left?" , then you can see
for yourself how modern you have become and how lost this natural answer has become
to us.
Baudrillard says that without the grounding of the Real, the society begins to launch itself
into a virtual reality, a satellite society that circles around an empty center of circulating
signs. As Brian Massumi notes, we can only gape in fascination, for the secret of the
process is beyond our grasp. Meaning has imploded. There is only a pleasureless orgy of
exchange and circulation, media blitz and sound bytes, advertisements for
advertisements, the projection from one hyperreality into another, another website to
another website.
Baudrillard's reaction to all this is to suggest we push the system to its limit. If we are
being pushed into consuming, then we can become such super-consumers that the system
goes into hyperdrive and we can there-by break free of its gravity. But I really doubt that
buying extra Barbie dolls for the kids this holidays is going to stress the system enough
that it mutates into a post-capital society
What can we do? Can were go back to the days when signs really meant something?
Hardly. Or at least, not in a global sense. Small groups attempt to do this, but they usually
end up a paranoid cults living on borrowed time in an anachronistic and isolated dome.
Do we become hypercynnical? Can we just stop believing in anything and react to all the
ads and failed attempts to change with a smirk of knowing its all over now, baby blue?
I would like to suggest is that we find a path between regressing back into a primitive
state or becoming hypercynical. This path is not a singular one. It's a path that we all
have to create, but at the same time is individually determined and maintained. Those of
you who have been doing dreamwork are already familiar with this path. Each day we
wake up with a dream. Each dream is its own world and thus a perspective on all other
worlds, including our waking world. This overlapping imaginarium, finding the meaning
of one story through the view of another story, might seem like a hall of mirrors. But
over time, due to the acceptance of the unknown, the subtle, the different, the odd, the
strange and the unreal, we can begin to see the ruptures in representations and a dance
that is occurring in the non-center of the universe.
Each day, a new world, a new perspective. Here is one for today. What happens when
we see our dreams as a realm of beings manifesting through our psyches? Too paranoid?
If we are to take seriously the notion of giving dreams more status, this part of the story
will return again and again until we get it.
Philip K. Dick, who wrote the (1968) _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sleep?_" which
was made into the Ridley Scott film "Blade Runner", which became a model for so many
Cyberpunk movies to follow. Dick explores the issue of copies and false copies and
simulacra, a special group of copies that are so thinly related to the original that they have
achieved independent status. In his story, the replicants were produced to do hard
physical labor and help provide companionship for people colonizing distant planets.
They appear and act human, but have one fatal flaw; they are all pre-programmed to live
only four years. Something goes wrong and a group of replicants band together and
rebel, massacre the colony, steal a ship and return to earth. As a Blade Runner, its Rick
Deckard's job to find and destroy these renegade robots. The mood is dark, and the 2021
society on earth, full of multicultural hustle and bustle, seems almost post-apocolyptic.
The constant ads floating by and oversized buildings have become the model for
Cyberpunk novels and stories since the movie came out in 1982. Throughout the story,
Deckard finds himself caught between his own feelings and the requirements of his job to
kill. His job is complicated by the fact that he is forced out of retirement and that the
newer android models are smarter and faster than people. An additional problem is that
the standard tests, which have been relied on for years to discriminate between androids
and humans, begins giving unreliable results.
Soon he comes to find out the replicant's plan. They no longer want to be tied to the
automatic death that is pre-programmed. They want to be recognized, not as having full
human status, but as a being in their own rights. Deckard finds himself empathizing with
some, even falling in love, while continuing to hunt and kill other replicants.
When is a copy a copy, and when does it obtain a new status of being? This is the
Platonic conundrum of the simulacrum, which is a copy of an original. In Plato, there are
ideal forms or models and there are the good copies that are manifested in this world.
Then there are simulacra, which are then considered less than the ideal models and poor
copies. Poststructuralist, Gilles Deleuze, begins with this notion of simulacrum as copy,
but then pushes it into a whole new territory. At some point, the connection (between a
sign and what it is suppose to represent) becomes so thin that it is not a matter of degree
and quantity of difference, but of nature and quality. This logical impossibility is more
than a metaphor indicating the thin connection between copies and their originals. We
often see this in Pop Art, where Andy Warhol's Campbell Soup cans may be said to
represent the originals, but that is not their main function. They are copies that have
achieved a whole new status and created a whole new aesthetic. Similarly, photo-realistic
paintings that playfully mimic photography are more than just copies of photographs or
the objects they represent, but create a whole realm and style of painting where the
objects bear little significance to real world objects, though they depict these objects with
a realism usually reserved for cameras.
Deleuze notes that the notion of copies, models, replications and mimicry all force the
object to represent something else that is considered more real than itself. The copy is
always bound by a set of internal relations to a model against which it is judged. Does the
barber's pole clearly point to the barber, or is it a bad sign pointing to something else?
The simulacrum, on the other hand, looks on the outside like a copy, but has a, well,
deceptive resemblance to the model. On the surface it looks like one thing and may make
us associate to the represented model, but underneath, its dynamics may have no
relationship to the model what-so-ever. Think of the pitcher plant that simulates the look
of an insect and fools the insect into thinking that it operates like a friendly insect, but has
a very different dynamic going. A copy is wired to stand in for its model, a simulacrum
operates by a different code and enters different circuits.
The point here is not for the simulacrum to imitate and become the thing it simulates, but
to temporarily use this mask for other goals, its own proliferation. The replicants in "Do
Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" plan to re-vision themselves and escape completely
from the realm of humanity, populating worlds that mankind will not and can not every
want to inhabit. They just need the human form for awhile. There is nothing yet to
represent them, and so they emerge from behind what can be represented.
Baudrillard often says that simulacrum are copies without an original, but as Massumi
notes, this leaves the question of whether there ever was a Real from which we broke, or
if there was simulation of reality from the beginning. A better view is that they co-exist
from the beginning, though simulation has to be seen in two contexts, the first in its role
as an exclusive disjunctive synthesis and the second more desirable inclusive disjunctive
synthesis. Both of these syntheses emerge within a world where the flows of desire,
goods, money, information, and communications are already tightly channeled and highly
regulated. Its no wonder they have to being as appearing to be something else. Both will
have to extract a surplus from the flows and create their own matrix. However, one will
simply re-territorialize the surplus and become another fixed system, while the inclusive
disjunctive synthesis will affirm the differences in the system, creating a flowering of all
the points in its circuit and thus producing a cyberneticly related improverse around
which nomadic singularities interact and create.
In many ways we can see how much of dreamwork is involved in allowing these dream
replicants an opportunity to exceed us. Dream inspired writers and artists are most keenly
aware of their role in nurturing something that is beyond themselves. When Robert Louis
Stevenson wrote Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde after his dream and showed it to his wife, she
destroyed the manuscript in horror. But the dream replicants had already created a full
body matrix of surplus desire that had established itself in a network in which Stevenson,
the dream, his wife and the writing were simple travelers. Within days Stevenson had
completely re-written the novel.
The Jungians and the Post-Jungians, the Archetypalists, have also been engaged in
encouraging and supporting the process of allowing dream replicants to find their own
world. Instead of trying to drag them up from the underworld, Hillman suggests we might
learn more by allowing them to drag us down into the underworld. However, this gets
people into debates about just two worlds, the waking world and the imaginal world. The
real point is that we have hit the cultural trans-warp drive and now inhabit, or can
inhabit, an infinite amount of worlds. The Internet has done a lot in bringing this to light
metaphorically. Its becoming clear that we are reaching a stage of cultural transition
where old identities, old alliances, old filiations, old ways of seeing territory and
boundaries are dissolving before the flood of unleashed objects, images, information,
connections, virtual spaces and recombinatory genetic and physical biophysiologies and
psychobiological ecologies.
This calls for a dreamwork that might be seen through the three Deleuze-Guattari stages
hinted at before. In the first stage, the connective synthesis, the full body of the dream
launches from its surface a set of intensities and differences. Though each unique, they
form a set of related trajectories around or above the egg-body of the dream. This is the
second stage, the disjunctive synthesis. We need to be keen on differences here. If we
begin to associate to the images in the dream around a circle that already exists the
project will collapse into a modern thing that can be represented and an idea will emerge,
an archetype perhaps, which will territorialize all the energy and become a little pharaoh.
To allow the replicants room to move we need difference and non-represented spaces.
The first is easier, at least conceptually. Difference is what makes something unique. Yet
we can never see pure difference. We always see difference in relation to something else,
in opposition, in context. Yet though it is invisible and non-representable, it is what
differentiates one being from another. Without representing them, one can find the flows
in the dream, and what stops the flows. We can see where the fluxes and partial objects
have emerge into existence, measured only by their expression in of the content, of
ruptures and breaks in the flow.
In the final stage of conjunctive synthesis, if we have carefully kept the new matrix that
is not-a-matrix alive, there may exist the nomadic dream replicant who has found a way
out of the territorialized space of repressive systems of control. Traversing the full body
of the dream the nomad breaks into other flows and creates ever new connections.
Finding deterritorialized space in which to play the nomad skates between systems, busy
becoming intense, becoming dream, becoming transfigural.
Eventually, the space will be re-territorialized.
And that is also why there are no examples of this kind of dreamwork given in this essay.
Any example would be a general case in which you might try to abstract and
conceptualize the underlying principles. And yet each dream - and each encounter with
each dream - is going to be essentially different every time we engage the dream. There is
not a singular essence to extract that can be generalized, though essence and singularity
of meaning create trajectories around the full body of the dream just as surely as
difference or feelings or desire. The full body of the dream produces, and produces, and
produces. As Deleuze & Guattari say, the unconscious is not a theater, it is a factory.
Richard Wilkerson - November 2000
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(New York: Semiotext(e), 1983), p. 11.
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Patton, and John Johnston (New York: Semiotext(e), 1983), p. 56.
Bogue, Ronald (1989). Deleuze and Guattari. (New York: Routledge
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Schizophrenia. Preface by Michel Foucault. Translated by Robert Hurley, Mark Seem,
and Helen R. Lane
Deleuze, Gilles and Guattari, Felix (1987). A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and
Schizophrenia. Trans by Brian Massumi. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.
Dick, Philip K. (1968). Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? New York: Del Rey
(Ballantine) Books 24th printing. Filmed as Blade Runner 1982. The book reissued under
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Retrieved October 15, 2000 on the World Wide Web:
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and Guattari Originally published in Copyright no.1, 1987.
http://www.anu.edu.au/HRC/first_and_last/works/realer.htm
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Madame Aionia's Astrological Dreaming Series:
Dreaming Through the Houses: 12th House
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Have you ever wondered how dreams and astrology are connected?
There are many ways we can connect dreams to astrology, and many don't require that
you know all about your Natal Chart. In this column we will be exploring the symbolic
rather than predictive aspects of astrology. Symbolic astrology attempts to use the images
of astrological to give meaning to one's life and empower choices rather than predict
paths. We do this by imaginal overlay. In this process we impleach, (poetically
interweave)dream, image, feeling, life and symbol in a way to evoke a felt sense of the
dream's imagery and its position in our life.
This year we are focusing each month on a different House.
The inner circle of the Natal or Birth Chart is divided into 12 distinct regions know as
Houses. They relate to everyday activates. One will be about physical appearances and
temperament, while another relates to possessions, for example. Planets and signs fall
within these Houses and influence the areas of focus. We will be watching for images of
planets, signs and other celestial events and hopefully begin to see the emergence of an
astrological chart that dips into birth charts, dreams, and our waking life.
Twelfth House: Pisces. At the end of the series of 12 Houses, it is the alpha-omega house
of endings of one cycle and just before the beginning of the next. The next cycle can be a
spiral upward or a spiral downward, or an octave higher or lower than the present one.
But before moving to the next octave, the 12th House itself must be traveled.
Dream: I am in an arctic sea aboard an 18th Century ship. I am in a cabin studying under
a swaying light. I have been brooding for sometime and left my home to help others, but
now just seem to live in this little cabin. I am looking at an oily fish design on the cover
of the book, and thinking that the fish can get away by slipping deep below the surface.
In this dream we see that there is a struggle with the lower and higher self on a plane
that seems isolated for the individual. There is the theme of self-sacrifice and the
brooding loss of the old self set to sea, but also the possibility the individual may descend
with the old self into the icy depths of the sea. At the center of this escape is the fish,
which in this millennium is continually associated with the Christian notion of sacrifice
to the higher self. And there is no negative judgment in the descent either. It could be a
suicidal escape fantasy, or it could be the need to contact the deeper soul.
Dream: I am waking outside a kind of hospital. Its seems more like an sanitarium for
tubercular patients from Thomas Mann. There is a maze of hedges and I find my way
blocked by an altar with items laid out on it. No one is around and I see that the altar has
clothes on it that I used to wear. I only remember two now, a set of clothes from
childhood that used to be put on me when I played in the sandbox, and a business suit
that was a favorite of mine to welcome new clients to my shop. I think it is odd that there
isn=t a priest around.
Before this dreamer is a way out, but a sacrifice of the whole past, all the personalities
she previously wore, all that she has obtained in the first 11 Houses, must first be
sacrificed. Will she recognize that she is the priest that must do this, or will she return to
the hospital? Karma, in this sense, is not so much a fated curse but a way of seeing things
that allows for new paths and growth.
Dream: I was playing with my army men toys but then I was one of them. People were
shooting all around. I kept thinking that if they really kill one another, I won=t have any
more left to play with. I run over a hill to get away and see all the army men that have
died in a pile. People are pulling them down and burying them in a graveyard nearby. I
help them, but feel like I'm burying part of myself. My heart goes out to the soldiers,
even though I know they are toys.
Dreams of the 12th House may be particularly difficult for the individual and this
difficulty may be relieved by service to others. The gaining of a higher self by loss of an
earlier one is painful. Helping others is also helping oneself, even when at the time this
may not be fully realized. As some say, it's not really a battle to be won, but a
acquiescence and devotion.
Those who flee from the 12th House effects may find themselves in classical Shadow
psychology, i.e. being chased by monsters and unforeseen forces that threaten to
undermine or destroy the self.
Also, dreams may compensate for too much sacrifice. Many people feel the 12th House
as a deep debt that must be paid in life and devote years to helping and ailing relative or
seek religious solitude in a monastery, only to neglect their own development. This un-
lived life may take on the shape of a monster or force threatening the dreaming.
So, if sacrifice and withdraw are the call of the 12th House that can lead to ruin, what is
the productive solution? It seems that the solution is individual and can't be collectively
spoken.
Inner peace, understanding and wisdom are as equal a possibility as despair. The desire
for the inner oneness of all things unfolds a mystery that can be seen in our travel through
all the Houses of the Cosmos. With each cycle we get another glimpse and opportunity to
share and participate in the co-creation of the universe.
M. Aionia
This completes a full year of Dreaming through the Houses. If you wish to follow the full
year of Houses, they will be available online at the Electric Dreams Articles Site:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-articles/
or
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-articles/
Comments and additions to the set of articles will be added if you send them in to
M. Aionia at aionia@dreamgate.com
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This issue includes volume #21 volume#41
Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.
This section is edited by Richard Wilkerson and the DreamEditor, a software creation of
Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling software "Alchera".
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Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that means we do not
correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes a great window on
the dream and dreamer.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 21
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. How it is possible I'm asleep?
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:46:09 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: How it is possible I'm asleep?
Dream Title How it is possible I'm asleep?(lucid,K)
Date of Dream I don't remember!
Dream I'm in my school. My colleagues keep on bullying me. I don't realise
at first that the school I'm in is no longer my school. When I go outside, I lose one of my
boots... then I throw out the second one, just for measure. I keep on walking doen the
street in the sad light of late afternoon sun. When I'm closing to my home, I keep on
questioning my reality, and, finally at home, I do a levitation check...Since I'm floating
under the ceiling, I realise I must be dreaming. I fly out of the window.
Now I spot a town in the distance. I fly by... This town looks like if it was a Chinese town
because of it's architecture. I stay there for a while, and fly futher. I arrive at a buliding,
where my vision (blurred at the beginning of dream) becomes crystal clear - I see
everything in vivid detail and in 3-d. Then I realise that the situation is somehow
paradoxical - as I remember that I'm not really walking around the dreamed building but
my body is fast asleep in my home. So I'm asleep. But how I can be asleep when I'm here
and walking? As soon as I fly outside the vivion becomes two dimensional, my dream
body disappears and I can no longer interact with it. I decide to relax and just enjoy the
fading dream. I see a train crossing some mountain chain and I wake up.
Comments by Dreamer Very interesting. What is awareness? During the dream state
we have the same awareness as in the waking state, what lucid dreaming phenomenon
clearly demonstrates.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 22
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. murder
From: Anonymous
2. Re: murder
From: Heratheta
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:23:29 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: murder
Dream Title murder
Date of Dream Oct, 23rd around 12:30 am
Dream I was told that my employer had a dream that I would be attacked and
killed at work by a customer and then later in the dream it happened. I was stabbed and
left to die while screaming for help in a public place, but no one helped me not even my
"friend" who was there
Comments by Dreamer Scared the crap out of me and I'd like to know if it means
something more than just another dream
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 23
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Beautiful Face
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:41:50 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Beautiful Face
Dream Title The Beautiful Face/ QueenMun
Date of Dream October 24, 2000
Dream I went down a water slide and at the end of it he was there, the water
current had pushed me under and he helped me out like a life guard. I looked into his
face and he had the deepest blue eyes and tanned skin with little braids in his hair. He
held me while I got my hair out of my face and then kept holding me tenderly. We went
into a different pool just to relax all the while he was she holding me and across the pool
was a guy I was talking to last year only he was with another girl. The guy with me and
myself got out of the pool and went to his car. While we were driving he held my hand
and he had the softest skin I had ever felt and his lips on my skin were so warm and soft
also. All of a sudden a shot like a bullet rang out and I got so scared that it had hit him
that I searched all over for a wound, but all he did was look at me and smile and told me
that he didn't get hit.
Comments by Dreamer I felt as though he was the guy I am suppose to be with, like
he exsists and I am suppose to find him. Or that it is my boyfriend but looks different
and that it is telling me that when he goes to the marines he won't get killed and he will
return back okay
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments Do what you like with my dream just please tell me your intake
on my dream, what do you think it means?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 25
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. allergy girl
From: Chantelle McLaren <ChantelleALM
2. Re: Digest Number 23
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
3. Re: Re: Digest Number 23
From: Heratheta
4. Re: allergy girl
From: Heratheta
5. Re: allergy girl
From: "Chantelle McLaren" <ChantelleALM
6. Re: Digest Number 24
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chantelle McLaren <ChantelleALM
Subject: allergy girl
This was a dream I had a while back. It was with two people. An adult and a young child.
The child was the adult's little girl. The little girl was probably around the age of two. In
the dream the little girl was having an allergic reaction to milk. The little girl's name was
Titania. At this part of the dream I was at school. With the help of a lady who I did not
recongnise, we gave the girl a liquid to stop the reaction. After I did this I wrode a horse
back to the guy and kid's home. I was about to leave when the sky got realy dark and
tornadic, even thought there was no tornado. Then the adult wrote a note to his wife about
being back in 20 minuts cause he was going to drive me back to school.
Chantelle
===== Insanity takes its toll, please use exact change.My CHARGE
website...http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/CHARGEsyndrom
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Beautiful Face
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:41:50 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Beautiful Face
Dream Title The Beautiful Face/ QueenMun
Date of Dream October 24, 2000
Dream I went down a water slide and at the end of it he was there, the water
current had pushed me under and he helped me out like a life guard. I looked into his
face and he had the deepest blue eyes and tanned skin with little braids in his hair. He
held me while I got my hair out of my face and then kept holding me tenderly. We went
into a different pool just to relax all the while he was she holding me and across the pool
was a guy I was talking to last year only he was with another girl. The guy with me and
myself got out of the pool and went to his car. While we were driving he held my hand
and he had the softest skin I had ever felt and his lips on my skin were so warm and soft
also. All of a sudden a shot like a bullet rang out and I got so scared that it had hit him
that I searched all over for a wound, but all he did was look at me and smile and told me
that he didn't get hit.
Comments by Dreamer I felt as though he was the guy I am suppose to be with, like
he exsists and I am suppose to find him. Or that it is my boyfriend but looks different
and that it is telling me that when he goes to the marines he won't get killed and he will
return back okay
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments Do what you like with my dream just please tell me your intake
on my dream, what do you think it means?
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. I am raped
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:28:15 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: I am raped
Dream Title I am raped
Date of Dream october 20, I don't know the time
Dream I have reacurring nightmares about being raped. Probably about 4 to 6
a month. In the most recent dream I could see myself like i was observing myself and i
was being raped and all that i could do was watch and I couldnt do anything about it. I
have dreams about being chased by men and them trying to rape me or them catching me
and about to rape me but this is the first one that i have actually been raped in.
Comments by Dreamer please help these nightmares are stoping me from sleeping a
couple of months ago they got so bad that i had to take sleeping pills and now i have to
have lights on to go to sleep and my dogs have to be in my bedroom plus i do a check
everynight to make sure that all of the windows and doors of my house are locked and i
am paranoid about everything I can hardly talk to people because i am afraid that they are
going to do something
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Tidal Waves
From: Anonymous
2. Mantis
From: Anonymous
3. strange
From: Anonymous
4. Tony's Store
From: Anonymous
5. Vampirism
From: Anonymous
6. step parents
From: Anonymous
7. Got The Bugs
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:08:28 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Tidal Waves
Dream Title Tidal Waves
Date of Dream 28/10/2000
Dream I have had for perhaps the last 18 months very similar, and at times
quite disturbing dreams about tidal waves. None of them have ever caused me harm, but
I have seen them coming and they seem so real. The latest was last night, and I managed
to survive it by hanging onto a concrete pier as the enormous wave washed over me.
When the wave had finished, I was left looking over the world with most of it destroyed
and only a handful of people(as well as myself) who had survived. This dream. like I
said before, is extrememly vivid and I can hear it and see the wave before it arrives. On
occasion I have survived by swimming underneath it (!!) and being able to breathe
underwater for some considerable time. I would love to know what (if anything) this
dream is pertaining to. Does anyone else dream of tidal waves? Comments by Dreamer
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:08:57 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Mantis
Dream Title Mantis
Date of Dream
Dream I am laying down in a white area, and there is movement under the
skin of my chest that makes me nervous. The movement becomes pronouced and it looks
like a very large insect is moving under my skin. A green arm pushes through my skin
and retracts, then another one comes through. I grab the arm(or tail, not sure wich) and
begin pulling it out of my chest. The pain is immense but I pull it out anyway. I lift up
the flap of skin and look, and there seems to be some object in my chest that was feeding
the mantis that I just removed. I let the skin lay flat and press my hand to my chest.
I IMMEDIATLY have the same dream again, this time the same thing happens until I
have removed the insect (mantis?). However as soon as the mantis is gone, instead of a
wound with torn flesh, it looks like a neat incision. Not closing the skin immediatly this
time, I look in, see and remove a cross-section of an orange. I have a vague impression
that I put both the orange and the mantis there to begin with. I let the skin fall back in
place and it seals, looking like I was healing from being cut with a sharp knife (like
surgery or something). The line is about 3 inches long, and there is a faint green tinge
along the wound/scar. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment
yes_share_comments
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:10:01 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: strange
Dream Title strange
Date of Dream 10/24/00 - middle of the night
Dream Ok, this dream may be the most interesting as of late. We were in an
old house. Wooden floors, cracked paint, big rooms with large multi-framed windows
were throughout the house. All of us, my girlfriend and other friends of mine in the
dream, were in a large bedroom. Some people were sitting on the bed and others stood
between the bed and the door. It was a large bedroom. Simple décor, wooden floors and
large windows were the most predominant details I can remember. Some people were
sitting on the bed looking towards the door, squinting and trying to figure something out.
I could hear us all speaking but don't remember seeing anyone's mouth moving in time to
the words said. They told me to walk in front of them, from on side of the door to the
other side. When I did, I remember watching myself walk in front of them and
disappearing as I passed a certain point. Then I walked back and reappeared. I would
walk around the spot that I was disappearing at and walk through the space from the other
side with the same result. I stared at the space in the "air" (for lack of another word to call
it), for some imperfections and noticed a very slight "sliver" in the air. I stuck my hand
through the "sliver" and watched it disappear as it went through. So I bent my arm and
stuck my hand back through the other way, only to see my hand reappear again. So,
holding my arm in this manner I couldn't see my elbow. I hope I have explained this clear
enough to understand. In my mind it's very easy to see, but who knows what you're
thinking. As I held up my arm, I tried to straighten it out but couldn't, like I had my arm
stuck through some sort of long, crooked wooden cubbyhole. As I tried to straighten out,
it creaked like it was wooded and giving a little. If I pushed hard enough it might break
the illusion apart, making the small "sliver" crack open wider in the air. As I struggled
with this perplexing situation, there was a loud rumble that shook the house and blacked
out the electricity. We all got down on the floor, looking out the big window. I reached
up to open the window and it slid up fast just as I touched it. Looking outside, the sky
was dark with thousands of small puffy clouds reflecting an orange-red glow from over
the horizon. In the distance we could see a swarm of dark shadows with giant sparks
flying along beside them. As they swarmed closer we could make out that they were
black planes flying in an up & down "swooping" pattern, getting closer and closer to the
ground with every downward "swoop". The "sparks" were flying in the same pattern right
with the planes, they looked like missiles the planes may have shot but weren't. As they
flew closer the rumbling became louder and louder, making the whole house and ground
shake. My feeling was not that of fear throughout the dream but more of an "other-
worldly" exploration full of intrigue and adventure. It was not fun adventure, more of a
serious investigation type of feeling. The planes grew closer and closer until they looked
like they were going to crash right into the house. Right as it seemed like we were going
to be bombarded with hundreds of black planes and fireballs, I woke up.
Comments by Dreamer Hey, I'm 30 and male. I have a strange imagination so it may
be just that, with no hidden meaning. BUT maybe you know something I don't, let me
know!
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:10:41 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Tony's Store
Dream Title Tony's Store - Img
Date of Dream 7/18/00
Dream I was in Tony'sstore and there was a strange guy and a blonde haired
girl who I didn't trust for some reason. We went to seeTony's wife and she made me
aware of a vital piece of information, making me realize that I had misjudged the guy and
girl, and that it was all just a big misunderstanding. I remember apologizing to the blonde
haired girl and holding/hugging her. I remember feeling a sexual connection with her,
and I asked her if she would come again and cook dinner for me. Comments by Dreamer
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:11:53 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Vampirism
Dream Title Vampirism
Date of Dream 20/10/00
Dream I have been having a recurring dream about vampires, although each
has been different one character has stayed the same. A vampire, who is around 6'3", with
a total white face and dark accents under his eyes. He seems to look though into my
reality.
Comments by Dreamer The dream has occured at least 8 times in the past 2 months.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments Please publish my dream so that if others have had the same
experience they can have an idea of what is going on.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:11:32 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: step parents
Dream Title step parents
Date of Dream 9-25-00
Dream I had a dream that my step father chased me with pepper spray and my
mom didn't care.And I asked for help from my Aunt and she helped chase me.I woke up
and felt very cold. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment
yes_share_comments
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:11:03 -0700
From: Anonymous
Subject: Got The Bugs
Dream Title Got The Bugs
Date of Dream 10/25 5AM Approx.
Dream I dremt thousands of tiny black bugs were growing out of my skin
they got larger before falling to the ground. I felt itchy and brushed them off my arms,
shoulders and back. This repeated several times before I awoke. Later that day while
walking through my home I felt itchy and was freaked by the feeling of bugs coming out
of my skin. This freaked me so bad I told my husband who was also freaked by the
incident. I am shaken by this because I don't drink tea, coffee or alcholic beverages and I
am a non smoker. I don't mess with herbs or illegal drugs. What could this possibly
mean? I was so scared by this incident I told my husband I was considering seeing a
psyche? Could I be detaching from reality or is my life stressed? Comments by Dreamer
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 27
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Squirt
From: Anonymous
2. Comment to Dream "A merciful drowning"
From: Anonymous
3. Puritan Witch
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:02:23 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Squirt
Dream Title Squirt
Date of Dream Monday, October, 30
Dream I was being picked up in a car by a friend that has gone away to
school this year! It was me and my best friend in the back seat kind of like taxi
style...when we got to our destination we picked up our boyfriends they hopped in the
back with us and we were driving along and then all of a sudden my boyfriend and the
driver are arguing so I stick up for my boyfriend and start yelling at the driver..I was
yealling at her to"shut your mouth..I've had enough stop it now" She was being so rude to
him. When it didn't stop I freaked out and stuck my head in-between the 2 front seats and
yelled "shut the f*** up" And the driver turned to me and started freaking on me except
the driver was now my boyfriend and he was upset because I was with another guy...but
the other guy was still him!!
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:37:52 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Comment to Dream "A merciful drowning"
Comment to Dream "A merciful drowning" (Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:08:22 -0000
From: Anonymous)
Dream Comments:
DREAM: I am a younger version of myself, in grade school, a young girl in a classroom
setting. I am trying to find a seat, but no one will let me sit down anywhere.
COMMENT: Perhaps difficulty being grounded in the world, early on, and experiencing
others as obstacles, or requiring their sanction? permission? in order to take your place
and feel comfortable with it. A long, slow process.
DREAM: Finally I find a seat, and then am selected by the teacher to participate in an
egg race.
COMMENT: The "egg race" may suggest someone starting out in the process of
"becoming" " discovering potential, the possibility to grow into fullness; wholeness. This
process appears to be perceived as a "race," suggesting either a feeling of competition
that accompanies the race -- meaning not "winning" is always a possibility, or a definite
time limit to accomplish personal desires/aims. In a sense, these are two incompatible
concepts: becoming whole, where the time allowed cannot be considered really because
there is no finite end to self-realization (or actualization or any of the current buzz words
going around today to suggest the process), and racing along toward an indefinite end. In
other words, there is no finish line except in death, and I doubt we finish there. As it turns
out, you lose because perhaps you may have perceived the game in a restricted way.
DREAM: Naturally, I lose, and feel embarrassed and talentless.
COMMENT: The feelings accompanying the loss may point to what matters most "
validation from others (otherwise, why feel embarrassed by losing?) and talentless
(emphasizing that you value "talent" and, without talent, you may feel "less than").
DREAM: Next thing I know, I switch identities. I am now an older male figure,
searching for the girl I was (above). I find her along a secluded stretch of coastline at
night, with the moon making shadows everywhere. She is still astride her horse, who has
been mortally wounded, and likely wounded the girl in its fall, as they both lie in the
crashing waves, covered in their own blood. What they seem is apathetic to life. She is
deliriously reciting depressing poetry, and doesn't want to live any longer.
COMMENT: This part of the dream is so like a poem of W.B. Yeats (which is missing
the horse), and I quote below in full:
A Crazed Girl
That crazed girl improvising her music, Her poetry, dancing upon the shore, Her soul in
division from itself, Climbing, falling she knew not where, Hiding amid the cargo of a
steamship, Her knee-cap broken, that girl I declare A beautiful lofty thing, or a thing
Heroically lost, heroically found.
No matter what disaster occurred She stood in desperate music wound, Wound, wound,
and she made in her triumph Where the bales and the baskets lay No common intelligible
sound But sang, " sea-starved, hungry sea."
Furthermore, when you switch identities, becoming an older male figure, it feels as if the
entire tone of the dream shifts. Also beautifully worded, too, I might add, and the pathos
informing your words and images is unforgettable.
DREAM: I decide to help them die gracefully. I pull the horse to its feet, with the girl
astride, and lead them both out into the stormy ocean, intending to drown them. I seek
for them a kind, watery grave, and after their heads disappear beneath the surface, I begin
to swim, but the waves keep pushing me back and I grimly realize I am not going to
survive this.
COMMENT: It seems to me that the male figure, leading the horse (masculine, sexual
energy) and female rider to the waters (unconscious) is recognizing that the life force
(suggested by the horse) has been incredibly diminished, perhaps in some tragic, violent
way; perhaps just through vicissitudes of life that this poetic sensibility has found
difficult to experience without much pain (in delirium, desiring death). You almost lose
your life in an effort to help them put themselves out of their misery.
DREAM: Suddenly, an unseen force propels me forward, and I am flying near the water,
covering vast distances in seconds. I let myself believe it is the grateful spirit of the girl I
helped to die.
COMMENT: But another kind of life force, which appears to be more powerful than
even the energy suggested by the horse, seems to come along and, in effect, save you so
that you, yourself, do not die.
DREAM: Then I am at the opposite shore I began on, at my uncle's house, only I don't
know what any of my family members look like. I come into the house, and begin to cry,
because it looks so much like my much loved childhood home. I want to cry on my
father's shoulder, but I no longer recognize him.
COMMENT: Actually the dream's conclusion may suggest a path home to Self: through
recollection of childhood and family who are perhaps now distant from memory or
actuality. These are some of the thoughts I would have if it were my dream. I comment
only because it could have been a dream I might have dreamed some night.
Island
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:40:59 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Puritan Witch
Dream Title Puritan Witch
Date of Dream 10/24/00 5am
Dream The dream starts out where I am standing in a field. It a is a bright and
sunny beautiful day. There is a small girl standing next to me. She had frightening
looking green eyes. She told me my death would be beautiful. Then I started flying. As I
was flying I noticed there was a bon fire in the field. I think the little girl or I was a witch
and they were going to burn us. I also remember I was wearing a red dress with a white
apron and a white bonnet, like a puritan woman!
Comments by Dreamer I remember the little girls voice very vividly. She had a little
bit of an English accent. I wasn't scared by her voice just the words she said
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 28
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. "Two Tracks"
From: Anonymous
2. wooden bridges
From: Anonymous
4. New Dream
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:50:33 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: "Two Tracks"
"Two Tracks" by dreambat October 31, 2000
I am at a university and with some other people who are getting ready to leave for an
event. The room I am in is like a little apartment and its seems to be cold out or early
Winter, late Fall. I am trying to get together a music tape. I think it will be a gift or is
someone else's project that I am helping them with. The main action is that I have
recorded two different tracks. One is just a set of songs, the other a set of routines, jokes
and conversations. I am happy with the tape recorder as it has some advanced abilities to
fade the tracks in and out and mix them smoothly. I think about the pleasure that others
will get when they hear this and am very pleased in a chuckles kind of way with myself.
But its not a cool as I has thought it would be. Each track has its own linearity that is
disrupted when blended. I'm a bit disappointed but still think the project is worth
finishing.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:31:21 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: wooden bridges
Dream Title wooden bridges
In my dream, i was at an unspecified friend's house and i was watching some movies that
my friend had made. There were two of them, the first i dont remember and the second
was an interactive movie, where you become the main character. So, i entered into this
movie, where i was transported into a little town with lots of very bright gardens,
sparatic but well-groomed trees, bright green hills, and wooden briges everywhere.
There was a sidewalk that went all over the town, and i followed the sidewalk around
listening to the people's conversations. these people were dressed in very old-fashioned
clothing, the women wearing large lacy dresses and bonets, while the men wore the old
fashioned tuxs with the tail and the cap. They were all cannibals. Everybody was talking
about eating their children, however, instead of using those words, they say, "making
wooden bridges." Like, one man was talking about how his son wouldnt go to sleep last
night, so he had to make a wooden bridge. this means he had to eat him for dinner. in
my dream, i was completely repulsed by this and i just wanted to leave. by this time, i
forgot that it was a movie, and was wandering around the town listening and getting
more repulsed. I talked to a little girl whos parents ate her foot. She said they made a
wooden bridge, and then she started throwing up. the dream ended with me listening to a
man and a woman behind me talking about how they wanted to make a wooden bridge,
so i assumed they were talking about me. i was really scared, but i didnt want them to
know that i knew what they were doing so i just walked faster. they did the same, and the
man took out a pocket knife and started carving out of my back. that is when it stopped.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:47:45 -0800
From: By Nina
Subject: New Dream
Dream Title My dream
Date of Dream 12:12 Oct 28,00
Dream Last night I dreamed that I was walking down the street and I saw a
white cat with a gold bell on his neck, I picked the cat up for some reason and little did I
notice that a man in a yellow bug was watching me. I started running and I looked back
and the man was following me. It seemed like forever before I dogged into a house. I ran
through it and went out the back door and down some stairs into a garden. (the cat I had
put in my sleeve) then the garden turned into a forest with lots of trees. I got to a clearing
and I saw a big wolf dog tied by a chain to a fence that leaded out to a big field. The man
I felt had stopped following me when he saw the dog. I got past the dog somehow and
started running in the field I turned around and the dog was chasing me, but it wasn't the
same dog it was a Saint Bernard, with slobber coming out of it's mouth. I was getting
tired and I realized that the chain tied to the dog was getting longer. soon he couldn't run
any more and I started to fly. There was a brown house ing the middle of the field and I
woke up.
Comments by Dreamer Please email me any body and tell me your dreams
Latinagirl12@tupac.com
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 29
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Basketball Jamie
From: Anonymous
2. whales
From: Anonymous
3. tutrwkeaiu
From: Anonymous
4. jettarose
From: Anonymous
5. Hidden Pregnancy Fetisha
From: Anonymous
6. 3 in the tub
From: michmax
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:00:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Basketball Jamie
Dream Title Basketball Jamie
Date of Dream 11/1/2000
Dream I playing basketball really good.
Comments by Dreamer I have know comment.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:49:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: whales
whales Date of Dream Mon. Oct.23rd Dream I dreamt I was in a warm
body of water; lazy; swimming.A huge whale swam under me;and with a flick of his tail;
so lovely; so sure; I was raised out of the water and flew through the air; the next whale
re-peated this and so on and so on...I swam with whales...I can't tell you how many there
was..but; and I woke up totally blissed Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:48:22 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: tutrwkeaiu
Dream Title
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Comments by Dreamer dssssp;oame Upvg ;nxmz ZP ufhOUn urhghsgd
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:13:54 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: jettarose
Dream Title jettarose
Date of Dream 10-30-00
Dream I was swimming through crowds of people, some swimming with me
and some just laughing and standing around. We swam under a huige bridge and tall
cement walls lined the sides. When i finally reached the open ocean, all i could see was
this colossal squid, bigger than an ocean liner. I remember just knowing that it was dead
and floating there. It scared the hell outta me.
Comments by Dreamer I can't find the meaning of squid anywhere. no dictionary has
it.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:14:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Hidden Pregnancy Fetisha
Dream Title Hidden Pregnancy Fetisha
Date of Dream 10/31/00 Sometime during the Night
Dream My Fiance had gone off somewhere and was coming back after like
10 or 11 months. While he was gone I had given birth to a baby girl. When I went to go
pick him up from
the Airport I not only had to pick him up but I had to give some guy named "Noah" fare
for a cab. Walking outside the airport he and I were laughing and smiling walking hand
in hand. We got in a car and we went to a hotel (I'm guessing we didn't live in the place
where he came in) we went to our
room and a girl and a baby were in our room.(I guess it was the baby's nanny was there
watching her). I then went and picked up the baby and handed her to him and said "This
is your daughter." (her name I don't remember) He kissed her cheek and smiled. Then he
got this angry look on his face and said she could't be his daughter because I never told
him that I was pregnant. I told him I never slept with anyone else and he said "How
do I know, you gave that guy money for a cab." While I got the baby back from him and
gave her to the nanny I explained to him that he was a friend of his boyfriend who was on
the same flight as him and that she couldn't come and get him. I don't know how it ends
'cause I then woke up.
Comments by Dreamer My Fiance and I have been together for 3 years now.
Everything in the relationship is really good. This dream looked like it was around the
time when we were 29/30 years old.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:06:45 -0000
From: michmax
Subject: 3 in the tub
I had a dream that I was in the bath,, the bath was unusually larger than normal, the water
was warm and there were bubbles. Down the other end of the bath were two of our
friends, both males. My husband walked into the bathroom and proceeded to show me
his man hood. I remember telling him to put it away,, and he kept saying, no look at
this.. and thats all i can remember... I have had it suggested that i may have been the
maternal mother to the two friends in a previous life, and my husband was their father....
does anyone have any ideas?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 30
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Out of it
From: Anonymous
2. hello dad its me not her
From: Anonymous
3. SAGITARIUS
From: Anonymous
4. Catholic
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:02:59 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Out of it
Dream Title Out of it
Date of Dream 3:30 p.m.
Dream I went to my gramma's on my way to school. I was petting the dogs
when I couldn't feel anything. I thought I was dreaming. I saw the dogs but I wasn't at the
house. When I woke up it was 4:00.
Comments by Dreamer I don't think dreams only come at sleep.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:05:00 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: hello dad its me not her
Dream Title hello dad its me not her
Date of Dream 10/03/00 @4:00am
Dream i had this dream that i was in my mothers garage and my dad came up
to me and hugged me i was so exicted to see him since he had really died 10/23/999 and
he told me to clean it up but i did not pay attention since i was so excited to see him no
one knew he was there exceot for me. at this time my sister walked into my dream the
low life sister, any way my father was looking at her and began to hug her so tight he
would not let her goand all he told me " if you want to hang out with your friends then
you to clean up what that meant i don't know , however my sister had alittle drug party
the night before i had this dream and also the funny thing is , is that she had it in the
garage and it was a mess when i went over the followung day!
Comments by Dreamer was he really trying to contact my sister ?
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:53:05 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: SAGITARIUS
Dream Title SAGITARIUS
Date of Dream 2:00a.m. & 11:00 p.m.
Dream I am a person who likes the Chinese callender, reading stars, and
other related mythical subjects. Well, I am a Sagitarius. One night, I dreamed a place that
was all white. Fog floated around the scenery. Greek structures came into view as the fog
cleared. I saw a white half horse-half man which is the Sagitarius symbol. He stommped
his hooves as if a warning. The next day at school, some kids got in a fight that I almost
was hurt in.
Comments by Dreamer I think dreams may be a part of the brain we don't know how
to use.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:46:13 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Catholic
Dream Title Catholic
Date of Dream 11/2/2000
Dream I'm not catholic but I had this dream that I was in the public libary and
this catholics tied me and all the other americans up and started to throw bombs at the
back of the libary well me and this black lady got free and tried our best to get out of the
libary when we did get out this woman said to 2 young boys outside that they needed to
act civilized and to walk after us and not run like american fools.(I believe in god so I
don;t think that is the reason for the dream)
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 31
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: No fruit in the shopping cart
From: sigmund2
2. comments on "Puritan Witch"
From: Anonymous
3. comments on "Catholic"
From: Anonymous
4. Pulling his leg by dreambat
From: Anonymous
5. ghost train
From: Anonymous
6. Robbery
From: Anonymous
7. past klovebug
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 15:34:24 -0000
From: sigmund2
Subject: Re: No fruit in the shopping cart
This is my interpretation of a dream I submitted earlier (#58). The dream was told to me
some years ago by a female friend. It was the first dream I interpreted after reading "The
interpretation of dreams" by Freud. Everyone puts down Freud, but I believe his method
works and would be very interested in hearing from people who agree. The interpretation
of the dream is that my friend did not want to be pregnant. In the first scene of the dream
she was at the produce section of the store with an empty cart. She did not select any
fruit. There is a clever play on words here. Produce, fruit; to re"produce", "fruit" of one's
loins. This seems very clear and obvious to me. The second scene is a repitition of that
wish, as are all scene changes in dreams. In the second scene, she is wearing a down
jacket with her hands in her pockets. This gives her the appearance of a pregnant woman.
The dream-wish is still that she not be pregnant. In the dream, she is picked up by a cloud
which claims that it is God. God floats her to the side of the road toward a barb- wire
fence. She is about to be cut up, when she wakes up. This part of the dream is a slight
evolution of the dream-wish. If she is pregnant, this powerful source is performing an
abortion of that pregnancy. This interpretation makes a great deal of sense to me. It has
the ring of truth to it, unlike some of the "new-age" crap I have heard before. I am also
very interested in the other workings of the subconscious. Dream interpretation
techniques seem to tie in with some interrogation techniques. Also, to what extent can
dreams be effected by suggestion. Would exposure to constant propaganda of some kind
effect one's dreams? If any of this is of interest to anyone I would appreciate your input.
Sigmund2@cs.com.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 08:32:14 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: comments on "Puritan Witch"
comments on Puritan Witch comments by o/\ sisyphus
The production of a field of immanence, the production of an subjective experience in a
field, the production of standing in a field, all around the...well, this appears as the cause
but is really more like a quasi-cause, a center that only exists after and is produced by, the
parts. There is a circuit here, and fear tones the flow of desire which passes through a
young mouth machine which connects to an ear machine. But something extra is
extracted from and detaches and a new body without organs is created around which
intensities burn, intensities fly and soar. I am the field, I am the little witch burned by that
part of myself that keeps all flows from escaping, but there is passage beyond wall of
coded flows and territorialized desire. When fear shifts from a way to capture and control
to an intensity that allows us to move out of old territories, then we will all know our
little witch and the only thing that burns is ignorance. o/\
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 08:34:33 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: comments on "Catholic"
comments on "Catholic" comments by o/\ sisyphus
Lets look at the catholic in the library throwing bombs. Catholics have been repressed by
the laws of the English for hundreds of years. These laws, these words, have controlled
the flow of goods, the flow o man an woman, the flow of children, the flow of thought.
How can one find a break in the flow of words without creating a rupture in the library?
o/\
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 09:01:04 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Pulling his leg by dreambat
dream: Pulling his leg by dreambat date 11/05/00
A policeman is chasing people around the neighborhood that are connected with drugs. A
couple of young boys hide behind my couch and I feel for them and tell the cop no one is
here. Then the boys become a computer tech assistant. I want to ask him about by CD
when the police returns and checks the scene out. He is about to leave when someone
stays, "check out those nibs on his leg" The tech has to turn his leg and shows two places
that look like needles have been used. The cop makes him pull up his pant legs on his
pants and it exposed a whole leg full of needle marks. But then the tech laughs and pulls
the leg off, it just a prosthesis.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:07:55 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: ghost train
Dream Title ghost train
Date of Dream sept 1 1997
Dream I had a dram where i saw a ghost train come out out of the sky and on
some old abandoned tracks.(which i saw after the ghostly train)
Comments by Dreamer The dream seemed so real and it was kind of frightning.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:08:28 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Robbery
Dream Title Robbery
Date of Dream 1101/1900
Dream I have a recurring dream in which I either return home, or I wake up,
to find I have been robbed. My tv's, vcr's, and microwave are gone. A piano is sitting at
the front door like they either could not get it out the door, or were startled and left
without the piano. I don't even own a piano, and I can not play one.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 17:21:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: past klovebug
Dream Title
Date of Dream most nights
Dream ihave moved away from my home town inreal life and i keep
dreaming of people that i went to school with different people every time but im always
dreaming about my school friends
Comments by Dreamer i have no idea why i keep dreaming about these people
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 32
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. My School Turned Into a Mall?
From: Anonymous
2. Wierd
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:01:38 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: My School Turned Into a Mall?
Dream Title My School Turned Into a Mall?! by Melinda
Date of Dream 11-06-00
Dream This dream was the ending scene of a very long dream that I'd been
having pretty much all night. This is the only part I remember of it.
I was in the band room at school - it was a normal school day, and since I have orchestra
first period, I was in orchestra. We weren't playing, though, and half of the people in
there weren't even really in the orchestra. I didn't even know some of them.
Then a few people started talking about a choir concert they'd had the night before.
Someone had come in the door, and they started talking about who had arrived early,
who'd been late, and the makeup they'd had to wear (like stage makeup). I noticed that
one of my friends, Lindsay, was up there talking with them. Also, this girl named Olivia,
who I haven't seen in two years (who was never in choir though she was in this dream,
and
used to be in orchestra) was there. She looked just the way she had last time I'd seen
her. I went up to talk with them just as she was leaving. The risers in the band room
were very steep and very high. I decided to leave my backpack and purse in the middle
of the lowest floor.
When I got up there (which didn't take much effort, considering), I promptly said,
"Nobody say anything about my makeup." That's even though I wasn't in choir and
therefore wasn't wearing any makeup. Everyone was kind of mad about my saying that,
interrupting the conversation, and most of them either left or turned away. Lindsay had
some makeup smeared around her right eye that wasn't rubbed in. I mentioned it to her,
and she said "Oh yeah, that won't rub in." She tried to do so, but it really wouldn't.
Then a teacher (maybe my orchestra teacher) was pretending to be the choir teacher and
told everyone to stand up and get warmed up. I decided to stand with them and sing,
because I was there anyway. The risers were so high and steep that I felt as if I would
fall forward and off of them. I've been thinking (in real life) about joining choir recently,
and this was so worrying to me for a minute or so that I considered not joining after all.
The teacher had us singing the notes A, C, and L in that order (even though there isn't an
L).
Then the bell rang. I wanted to go down and get my backpack, but there were so many
people in the way that I was afraid I'd fall - the stairs were very steep and narrow.
When I managed to fight my way out the door, my best friend was waiting against the
lockers on the same side as the class room. There were exactly three people leaning
against them, waiting, of which she was the farthest away. As she saw me, though, she
moved closer and we began to walk together. The hallway suddenly stopped looking like
my school - it became at least three times as wide. Also, instead of being a remote
hallway, it became right off the main hallway. There were so many people there, but I
remember seeing this girl that I really don't like (we've just finished a group project
together in real life. She gave herself the highest grade and me the lowest grade, and I
always got the impression that she thought she was better than me). She had her hair in a
ponytail and was walking alone. I tried to avoid her (it was a big hallway), but I couldn't.
I brushed past her, just hitting her shoulder. Neither of us looked. I wanted to point her
out to my best friend, but decided against it.
Then we passed this other girl who neither of us likes. My friend made some comment to
her regarding the choir concert - I don't remember the exact words (I didn't know them in
the dream, either), but it was rude and well put together. Her response was "Too bad
that's something you'll never experience," (using my best friend's name in the dream. I
got the impression that it had something to do with being first chair, which she is). I
turned around and yelled, "(My best friend) is better than you at everything! Everyone's
better than you at everything!" She had nothing to say to that and went with one of her
other friends into a store - Contempo. The school had turned partially into a mall.
My best friend went to class, even though we were late, and I decided I should probably
go, too. I headed back in the direction I'd come from, right past Contempo. I could see
them in there, but I didn't know where the doors were. I didn't want to.
I went into art class and discovered that there were materials there for me. I was working
on a chalk pastel of some guy with pink/red hair and mostly blue rabbit ears. A bunch of
people I didn't know where sitting near me. It was really strange. Comments by Dreamer
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:22:38 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Wierd
Dream Title Wierd, girlintheworld1
Date of Dream 10/6/00
Dream It wasn't too long ago, that I fell asleep and dreamed. i was in a cabin,
in the country side.i was in the bed room with my best friend, a woman (that was with
us), and a man (that wasn't). The man set the woman on fire. My friend froze. i grabed
her and ran out quickly. The house was on fire. We just kept running and runnig. Then
we stopped. my friend walked away to do something and i stayed sitting. then my father's
dog came by me, then walked away. He stopped, looked at me, and i woke up.
Comments by Dreamer My dream was interesting. It was kind of scary, too.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 33
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
2. advising bill gates
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:02:53 -0800
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: advising bill gates
note: stan requests his name and e be kept with the dream
DATE : 4 nov 2000 05:32
DREAM : advising bill gates
stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
=( last night, a friday, i tested the web site code for the macintosh club in six resolution
browser combinations. i did not get completely through the test series, but it works in the
most common cases. i had to turn off my computers and modem during nash bridges
which is my mother's favorite friday night show. since they shut off the analog CBS
satellite downlink, our local broadcast station has really poor reception and my
equipment puts out a lot of RF interference on that channel. afterwards i could operate
again while we watched my videos. i almost decided to watch _naked lunch_ but decided
instead to start into the _battlestar galactica_ series. i burned the web site to the CD i
promised to bring for demonstration to the macintosh club meeting in the morning. i
finished reading a fantasy novel and got to sleep real early, about 01:30. i woke again an
hour later and had some trouble getting back asleep. )=
stirring up someone's curiosity is one thing, satisfying it is another. most of us are good at
one or the other, usually the first, but rarely both. i am thinking this, over and over like a
mantra or like an obsession. i keep expecting to encounter some gross but intelligent
insects to discuss these insights with, like the cockroach typewriter's in william
burrough's _naked lunch_, but they are not to be found.
instead, i find myself at an afternoon luncheon at bill gate's mansion on puget sound.
maybe fifteen other people, mostly strangers to me, standing around in small groups of
twos or threes, over dressed, trying to eat daintily with their fingers from napkins.
i am definitely not trying to make any sort of impression. i am so tired and sleepy that i
can not really stand, so i am laying down by myself on a large bed. this is not bill gates'
bed, but one for guests who might stay in this room. at first i lay just on top of the covers
but as time goes on the covers sort of come apart and crawl over me of their own volition.
or so it seems. try as i might, i just can not shake off this drowsy feeling.
i know that i am supposed to be here to help my boyhood friend, hugh evans, with a deal
he wants to promote with microsoft. this afternoon gathering is part of a conference of
venture capitalists. everyone here has some proposal to pitch and this is our opportunity
with mister gates. but i am unable to get my energies going. i should probably excuse
myself and leave, but instead i sink further into the bedding, making myself useless while
everyone else is busy shmoozing.
while bill gates is circulating, making the rounds of the small groups, and hughie standing
besides the bed where i am entrapped in lethargy, i have just enough juice to look at the
walls. mister gates apparently fancies himself a patron of the arts now, so the polished
blonde hardwood interior of his place is adorned with various artworks. i spend
sometime inspecting these from my horizontal perspective.
along the wall opposite me, i see several attempts to achieve an abstract style theme in
the wall paper. one is clearly cubist, rectangles of similar proportions but differing scale.
another nearby looks like a cabbage next to an eyeball, round things with roots trailing in
the same direction. over there is a cluster of diagonal lines, different shades of blue and
widths but sharing the same angles. the same theme of similarities is picked up by a
collection of brass spheres on a coffee table, obviously an attempt at sculpture since they
have no utility other than that sense of detached visual worthiness.
i squint at the various devices in the wall paper. i can see the general problem here. each
on their own looks like a good idea by themselves. the cubist thing has a pleasing
geometry, as does the rondels of the melted cabbage and eyeball. but as soon as you step
back to next level of scale, nothing holds together. the sign of a good architect is that
interior design has to stay constant on at least three layers of scale: up close, stepped
back, and across the space. frank lloyd wright could do that effortlessly across many
scales it seems. that is what is totally lacking here. up close and across the room nothing
matches in the flow. it is only stepped back that each piece individually holds together
with a pleasing effect.
it occurs to me that this is much like microsoft software. little parts may work ok by
themselves here and there, but overall they fail to cohere so the total effect is badly
achieved by just brute force. too much overhead trying to force together the little things
that were not designed properly for any other layer of scale.
well, nothing for it now. i am a teacher and a programmer, not much of an artist. it is not
my job to criticize but i can hardly help but notice deficiencies of a room so obviously
attempting to display good taste, but so totally failing. still the attempt ought to be given
some credit.
uhoh. bill gates has finally come up to hughie for his informal interview. i try to get up
and manage to make it sitting up with my feet on the floor. i shake my head trying to
wake up, but no luck. hugh is giving me the urgent look, but i still am unable to stand yet.
seeing my distress, mister gates comes over to the bed and sits besides me. "not feeling
so well?" he asks me.
"no. i just can not shake this feeling. i should not have come." i tell him. hughie seems
to be forgotten before he got to make his pitch. too bad.
"i noticed you looking at my artwork." says mister gates. "what do you think of it?" he
seems to be just making conversation rather than really being interested. he nods toward
something behind me. there is a large shaggy tapestry on the wall, various shades of off
white in stepped lengths and textures. like everything else, it looks good only at one
distance where it can be seen only by itself. someone has tried to use it to pick up on the
scandanavian polished blonde woodwork, but it misses by just enough to ruin the effect.
"i am afraid that i am not an art critic." cop out. i tell him this although he does not seem
to be waiting or expecting a reply. easier to cop out than try to explain what he does not
want to hear anyway.
"now, what do you think of her?" he says with a burst of interest. he is indicating a
woman sitting near a lamp at the other corner of the bed. she also was out of my original
range of view.
i look her over. clearly she is the only other person, like myself, not into the business of
high intensity socializing. she has very dark hair contrasting with pale skin and angular
bone structure, somewhat reminding me of winona ryder. she looks in annoyance at me
and bill appraising her.
"whaddya think? she for me? does she have it? might be ok?" bill starts muttering a
constant stream of rhetorical questions as he makes up his mind. i am no longer part of
the conversation, just a foil for him to hear himself speak. i can tell that she is
mismatched for him. he is all round faced and light earth tones while she is sharp angles
and dark contrasts.
i shake my head, no. "i think she is a libra."
=( i wake up several times in the morning, too early but i can not get back to sleep. the
very first part about curiosity and _naked lunch_ insects i think was a hold over from a
previous sleep state in which i was thinking about those things before i got into the REM
state of visual dreaming. i had almost put the borrough's movie on the VCR. the curiosity
part seems to resonate in bill gates rhetorical monologue at the end of the dream, and
certainly i was not satisfying anyone at this soiree. usually my entry into REM dreaming
is clean without interacting with previous mental activity while asleep, or at least i rarely
have any memory of such associations. )=
. stankuli@gulf.net
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 35
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. A Stanger's Kiss
From: Anonymous
2. "Uncompleted Assignment"
From: Anonymous
3. Scooter Lights and Sales Room
From: Anonymous
4. nurse for hire
From: Anonymous
5. Night Rave
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 13:53:05 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: A Stanger's Kiss
Dream Title A Stanger's Kiss
Date of Dream november 8 @ 5:30 Am
Dream I have been having dreams were i have been passionetly kissing a man
who I do not know, have never seen any where but in my dreams, the man is extremly
attractive, But when I try to get a longer look at him his face becomes suddenly blurry
and i can no longer make out the features.
Comments by Dreamer I really would like any response to this dream because after I
wake up all I do is think about it.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:02:58 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: "Uncompleted Assignment"
Title: "Uncompleted Assignment" by dreambat Date: 11/08/00
The last supervisor I had at the corporation asks me if my assignment is complete. I feel
terribly caught and like an embarrassed school-boy without his lessons. Yet I have much
of the assignment completed. Still, I recall being given the task many hours ago and have
devoted much of that time to doing a wide variety of other tasks. I begin to talk about
those other tasks, but she confronts me immediately, "These were the projects I assigned
you." I feel a cold, sinking feeling and a bit sick and very cornered. I lift the paper and
show her what I have done. Mostly is involved going online and connecting various
names to websites. Still, its a pretty shabby report. I do notice that there is a large section
on the back of the paper as well and hope this is enough to get by.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:13:19 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Scooter Lights and Sales Room
Title: "Scooter Lights and Sales Room" by dreambat Date: 11.07.00
I am driving a little scooter at night to school. I feel quite pathetic. Its cold out and the
road is slippery. I'm not really sure where I am going. Its night and the headlights are not
on. I continue to fumble around for the headlights switch and hope that I don't turn off the
engine.
gap
I am working again for my old sales company, we sell encyclopedias. There is a big
operations room, like a newsroom or military strategy room. I go up to a wall with a large
screen on in. An old work buddy is there. He used to be a detective and was into taping
technologies of the 1950 and 1960s. I see he doesn't have many orders. I don't either and
this is really worrying me. I see the manager coming through the room checking on
everyone's progress. I think to myself how he wouldn't bug me all day if I just had three
orders. I imagine what it would be like having them in my coat pocket and can visualize
them and how it would feel to pull them out. I would feel such a relief and get much
praise.
note: I don't know what was on the big board. Was it a computer screen like at NORAD
or a sales board with districts and maps? This is lost to me, though I now recall it as a big
white-board with some computer connections.
end
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:23:38 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: nurse for hire
Dream Title nurse for hire
Date of Dream 11-7-00 am
Dream dreamed that I was in a car,,going down the road,,came to a
construction site. Had to get out of my cr,,,crawl beside a backhoe shovel to get by the
construction,,,,was worried about getting my white uniform dirty, made it by the
shovel,,,only got slightly dirty
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:21:52 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Night Rave
Dream Title Night Rave
Date of Dream mar21,98
Dream I am at 926 Nicholson. Jay's room, my old room, in the basement,
with no windows. I dance to the techno music, smoking speed. I have a lot of energy but
am beat mentally. its the radio, drum & bass progressing toward hardcore. In Calgary,
first time. I'm hitting switches on Shawn's equipment, my brother's subs. 2-10" with
power buttons which I turn off - wake up.
Comments by Dreamer Starts in Saanich. Breaks to Detriot minimal, house scorpio
rules in Taurus, the bull, Allah. Where's my other brother Pat? He makes the beats, the
fernwood wc mc's spit some shit.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 35
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. aa
From: Anonymous
2. Two Snakes in the Grass
From: Anonymous
3. myztpherx
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 08:41:52 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: aa
Dream Title aa
Date of Dream I can't remember
Dream I had a dream where i am sleeping, and I can tell that i am sleeping,
but all of a sudden something touches my back and I try to turn around and see what it is
but then I can't move anything on my body, and I can hear and feel my heart beating
really fast. Then i keep calling for my mom and finally i wake up.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:48:58 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Two Snakes in the Grass
Dream Title Two Snakes in the Grass. morgan
Date of Dream 11/9/00
Dream I was outside and the sun was shinning through tree branches
somewhere above me. I remember, these sunny dappled spots had a beautiful yellow
warmth to them, but i felt hopelessly fearful of something ahead of me. i began to walk
toward a dry dirt and gravel path which wound through cool, lush greenery. It became
aparent to me that i was back in kenya, walking through, i can only imagine, a section of
the national game park. I knew there was a nest of vipers to my right, in a bunch of long
lemon grass, but i continued to walk toward and over the dirt path. As I neared the clump
of lemon grass, I saw two huge vipers, probably 8ft each, laying in the sun. As I past
them they both attacked me. One bit me on my right wrist, and the other latched onto my
face, just below my left cheek. Their teeth were very large and seemed blunt, and the
pressure the teeth placed on my skin was apparent. Both vipers latched onto me and
hung on my body and i felt that they were not injecting poison, bit rather sucking
something out of me, all the while i faught to get them off of my body. I noticed the size
of the heads, they were also very large and heart shaped, as with most poisonous snakes. I
could see every scale on their head in great detail. I also remember, the snakes were very
dry. I finally tore them away. After i got them off of me, i noticed the gaping wounds
they had left on my body. The wound on my arm went from my wrist to my forearm and
the flesh was torn and flapping. I did not bleed very much. I looked into the wound but
could not see bone, only tendons and a small bit of something, i couldn't tell what. I
pulled on the unidentified tissue and i felt the muscle attached to my upper forearm pull
with it, so i concluded it had to be my muscle, i left it hanging there while i explored the
wound on my face. as my attention moved to my face, it felt as though i was looking at it
in a mirror. the skin was, once again, horribly torn and flapping and a large section of my
face was missing. As i spread the skin folds aside, i could not see any skull, only smooth
muscle and skin tissue. It was horrible! i felt very helpless.
Comments by Dreamer through out the dream i felt a strong sense of hopelessness. I
felt that although i new what had happened was terrible, i could not do anything about it
but i wished i could.
For some reason this dream has really bothered me, i would very much appreciate any
interpretations available, anything to begin to understand what it might mean.
thankyou.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 19:17:53 -0800
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: myztpherx
Stan requests his name and e be attached to the dream. - editor
DATE : 9 nov 2000 06:00
DREAM : myztpherx
stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
=( yesterday i took my mother to the airport for her annual travel out to
bainbridge island to visit my sister. alone in the house all evening i did not get much
accomplished. the macintosh web site came back up on the internet. i studied the manual
for image splicing in my upgraded photoshop as that may be the best way to display color
schemes for design concepts. parts of the color wheel need to highlight when you select
a certain schema. actually it is harder than that. highlighting colors changes the ones you
select, so i probably need to lowlight everything else so the selections stand out without
changing hue. i went to bed around 02:00. )=
the farmlands here have the feel of arkansas or maybe oklahoma. i am not really certain
what state i am in at the moment, the last several days of driving have been hectic with
pointless wandering. the land is somewhat hilly and dry, everything having a brown,
parched texture. much dust is being thrown up from mostly dirt road as my black dodge
viper churns over the terrain with an efficient hum from the engine.
i turn a sharp left off a paved section of road onto a fairly clean dirt road. hearing the
gravel pop and spatter under my wheels, i check the rearview. behind me i see mark
littlefield also negotiate the corner. he is driving a dark colored ferrari testa rossa. i pass
a couple turns to the right, mostly long straight roads. i regret not taking them, but
instead find a more interesting intersection. this in hardly more than two ruts through
pastures, more grass than dirt. it has a good feeling as the car jogs and shakes up the trail
over a few hills. mark's car falls behind here, having less stamina for off road.
over a hill, the wheel tracks head through a short wooded lot then emerge upon a gravel
pit. i drive around the huge cones of gravel piled there and find no way out. there is a
thick chain linked fence on three sides, a gate locked to lane leading back toward the
gravel roads i had passed earlier. finding no way out or around the gravel pit i retrace my
route back to the original road i was on. i am a bit surprised that i do not encounter mark
on the way back. he must have taken an alternate route on the farm path.
once back on the road, i stop and wait. maybe mark will catch me up when he reaches
the next flat and sees i am not ahead of him any longer. in the meantime i see another car
emerge from the wooded hillside and join the farm ruts coming up to me. when the car
pulls up i see that it is a silver porsche targa with the tee tops open. the driver looks a
little frazzled as the cockpit of his car is crowded with leaves and branches torn from
trees and shrubs. i am a little glad that i did not continue pursuing that path if it is that
overgrown and rough.
still mark does not show up, so i decide to continue down another road in the same
direction. i move the viper more carefully down the lane, taking the second dirt road to
the left, one that parallels the paved street i was initially on.
i do not go very far when i pass a large farm house and barn. after a go a few hundred
yards further, i u-turn to go back to the farm house. it is getting late, the sun westering
just above the horizon, and i decide i am too tired to go on. i will ask the people in the
farm house if i can stay there for the night. perhaps they will let me sleep in the barn, or
at least let me park the car somewhere in the yard. the viper winds down with a turbine
sound as i turn it off.
a chunky little woman answers the back screen door when i knock. "excuse me, mam. i
have been driving a road rally for several days and i need somewhere to stay the night.
would it be alright if i parked here in your lot? i have a sleeping bag and will be no
trouble if i can help it."
she looks me over carefully. "sure, i guess you can. but we have a guest room in back
that you are welcome to."
"my thanks. a shower would be nice in the morning."
i come in the house and she leads me around through the porch and kitchen. the house is
filled with furniture crowded together, showing several generations of styles collected
over the years. on a counter near the dining room i pass a curious metal cylinder that
moves, tracking me as i pass it. it is mounted on a wooden tray by a robotic arm. it is
shaped more like cigar shaped airfoil with a lime paint stripe and a glass lens on the end
that follows me. i see a sign posted by the thing, "macintosh web cam". ah, an internet
device.
when we get to the back of the house through several more rooms, the farm wife shows
me the guest room. it has obviously been a boy's room at some stage, probably a son
who moved away but left the toys and models he out grew behind. there is a comfortable
two layer bunk bed by the wall which will suit me fine, especially if mark catches me up.
the woman leaves me alone and i unpack my shaving bag from the light handbag i
brought in with me. it takes a while for me to adjust to the new room and get the jitter of
road vibration out of my legs, too long cramped from constant driving of the dodge.
it is not too much longer before i hear the distinctive of mark's testa rossa pull up outside.
soon he comes in. "found a place to stay for the night i see." i nod in reply.
two teenage boys come in with mark. they introduce themselves and seem curious about
travels, obviously impressed by the two sports cars parked outside. we try to explain that
we are part of national road rally but it mainly just the fun of driving rather than trying to
win any prizes that interests us. we have been off the rally trail for two days and are
generally heading east towards new jersey.
one of the boys asks us if we would like to play a game. mark and i look at each other, a
little tired but we should do something and entertaining our hosts would be fine. i see a
box marked 'cosmic wimpout', one of my favorite games, and say "great. how about
cosmic wimpout?"
as i sit down at a card table which one of the brothers brings out, the other one empties a
large brown pouch. an assembly of odd shaped pieces roll out. i assume these are a
collection of game markers for wimpout.
but mark says, "ah, myztpherx."
"i do not know this game." i say as the others sit down at the table. the older brother in
the plain white undershirt starts sorting out the pieces.
"let's see if i can remember." mark has always had a good head for gaming. the older
boy puts four flattened glass marbles in a diamond shape, like a baseball field. "these are
the bases. we start at the green one. the pylons and castles are used for refuge. no one
can pirate you there. the goods come from the ethos whenever you get the chance to
gather them, but mainly it is tuck and grab on each turn. oh, oh. there is the church which
is not part of the board but is always above it. how much does that cost?"
"the church depends on how much you have at the time." says the younger boy.
mark shows me three fairly large dice and takes a practice roll. they are heavy pyramids,
gun metal blue. each is actually deeply craved in the form a dwarf, with pointed hat and
long beard. there are slight differences in each so they have distinct names. their
triangular base formed by their splayed feet with large toes is a little smaller than their
other dimensions, so they land on their feet less often than laying on their sides.
the older brother starts with the first roll. i have no idea what the game is about, but i
figure with most cosmic games it is better to figure it out as we go. like life, i suppose
but with fewer teachers limiting our expectations.
the first roll produces only one of the dwarves on its feet. "that's bongo." the boy
announces, pointing to the standing dwarf. "philbert is on his nose, and thor is on his
butt."
so saying, the boy moves a marker out to the marble that i think of as first base. he
arranges some coins, glass jewels and small metal weapons around the base he has
occupied. i assume these came from the nonstanding dwarves.
mark's turn is next. he rolls the dwarves and gets two standing, thor and bongo. philbert
is neither on nose or butt, but no one tells me what the other side is called. it looks like
maybe his elbow because he has a hand in one pocket on that side.
this move apparently entitles mark to the second base. he takes a series of quartz stones
from the pile and lines them up between first and second base of the diamond. he looks
at each carefully as he places them.
"ah. light enhancement." he says, placing two matching stones side by side in the line.
they are white quartz on the edges but the interior is deeply purple like amethyst.
"no, not light enhancement." says one of the boys. "that is string theory which can not
play in the first three rounds. those form plathecteron, lord of the 12th house." mark
shakes his head in agreement.
=( i wake here at 05:46. thunder woke me as there is storm in progress. i have no
association with this game or most of the neologisms associated with them. i do play
cosmic wimpout which the boys did not want to play. somehow i felt that the goal of the
game was to get the proper pieces which allow entry into the hidden church above the
board, but i can not say properly since we did not get finished. mark's car may have been
a jaguar D-type rather than a testa rossa, both have a similar curved body design and i
never really got a close look at it except in the rearview. the car rally seemed to lack any
of the usual course requirements. it seemed mostly an excuse to drive the exotic cars
long and fast. )=
. stankuli@gulf.net
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 36
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: myztpherx
From: Heratheta
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:46:49 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: myztpherx
peace had lain to the right of the state if you had avoided becoming not really to yourself
and others
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 37
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. First Dream with my dad after his death (he died June 24, 2000)
From: Anonymous
2. Re: First Dream with my dad after his death (he died June 24, 20...
From: Wisdomofdreams
3. katydid allisona
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:39:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: First Dream with my dad after his death (he died June 24, 2000)
Dream Title First Dream with my dad after his death (he died June 24, 2000)
Date of Dream october 20, 2000
Dream i was sitting-maybe standing by my dad, i knew it was him, he was
sitting down wearing the brown polyester pants he always used to wear. i could not see
his face, just his pants. the pants were flattened, almost as if his legs weren't in them. i
knew it was dad, and i was confused, but not in a sad way, because he was alive in the
dream - but i knew at the same time he wasn't alive, cause i knew he had died. he was
telling me something about this confusion, and i think i understood. it wasn't a sad
dream, and when i woke up, i felt like a space in my body - my chest area - had been
filled - something like that.
Comments by Dreamer i haven't had any other dreams about my dad since then, and i
always ask each night that i would.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments please do. any interpretations would be very appreciated and
welcomed.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:22:45 EST
From: Wisdomofdreams
Subject: Re: First Dream with my dad after his death (he died June 24, 20...
Thank you for sharing such an important dream with us. I recently did some research on
death and dreams and found that it is quite common for loved ones to visit us in our
dreams in the months following the death. They often do so to bring comfort. It sounds
like yours did just that by your description of waking feeling as though something in your
chest had been filled.
Betty H.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:10:15 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: katydid allisona
Dream Title katydid allisona
Date of Dream 6-26-00
Dream i am crazy loon that kills my boyfriend. i stab him many times. I
watch him die.
Comments by Dreamer I loved it cuz he broke up with me the next day
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 38
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Elpacoloco:Net Investigation
From: Anonymous
2. what does it mean by pinny
From: Anonymous
3. plane water children
From: Anonymous
4. trying to pitch a tent
From: Anonymous
5. sea-adriana
From: Anonymous
6. riverwalk
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:33:49 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Elpacoloco:Net Investigation
Dream Title Elpacoloco: Net Investigation
Date of Dream I've forgotten.
Dream This one 's old, and I forget when I had it. I was going to my computer
room to sign on to the web (my house uses a gateway machine, which connects the entire
house after I dial). I dial it. However, instead of telling me that it has established a PPP
connection, as it usually does, it tell me that "You are under investigation for the use of
your account, thetourist@yahoo.com, in illegal animal pornography. If you believe this is
a mix up, please enter your FBI password now." Uhmm....what the hell? Well, I have a
prompt, so I try things. "Hoover"is not the correct password. Nor is "Agent". "Federal"is
likewise not it. It tells me "I am sorry, but I cannot let you online at this time." Phone
hangs up. I freak out.
Comments by Dreamer "Illegal animal pornography?" First of all, I don 't have an
account with the address listed. I have a tracker friend known as the Tourist, but not only
does he not have a yahoo account, plus he 's clearly not a zoophile. Second of all, I don 't
recall zoophilic pictures to be illegal, (Although they are gross, a jamacan girl thought it
was funny to send me some once, I spent the next hour cleaning up my vomit.) And
thirdly, the FBI is never that remote. They visit their subjects in person. That kind of
intererance with ppp accounts simply is not possible. Lastly, WHAT THE HELL WAS
THAT?!
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments I keep this one on a list of all my dreams, available at:
http://thunder.prohosting.com/~elp/dreams.html You may publish any of them. :) I
would appriciate an email at pacobravo@yahoo.com when you do so.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:22:59 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: what does it mean by pinny
Dream Title what does it mean by pinny
Date of Dream 9/11/2000
Dream i am a cat burgurlar.i am running around taking things,when in one
house a man jumps on me,holding me and rocking me.he gives me a gun, we go to a
school,we fight people.i get thrown out a window.he saves me!
DREAM 2
i am at a school reunion,the boy i fancy is there,he is with my worst enemy,she sees me
and moves closer to him.HE SEES ME.*****later he grabs my arm and runs wit me to
an abandoned building.we fall in love! Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:40:10 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: plane water children
Dream Title plane water children
Date of Dream 10-12-00
Dream My son daughter and i are on a plane it crashes in to the ocean i have
to choose which child to save.My daughter is in my arms my son is going under some
times its the other way around son in arms daughter going under.I had this dream ever
sense my daughter was born 3 years ago.Help whats this mean.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:37:49 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: trying to pitch a tent
Dream title trying to pitch a tent Michelle Michelle Date of dream 10/3/00
Dream Tammy (my sister) and i are standing in my parents' yard. We are
looking for a place to pitch a tent. Everywhere i look, there is Malique's (my dog) dog
crap. I ask her why no one has been picking it up. I am getting frustrated because there
is no room to put up the tent amidst the crap. I feel we will never find a place to put it.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:39:37 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: sea-adriana
Dream Title sea-adriana
Date of Dream 11-11-00 4:30 am
Dream ok i was on this boat with me and my friend who moved away this
summer and my boyfriend and like 8 other people.the boat sank and we all had to swim
to shore but I'm afraid of the ocean. but the water was shallow for some reason shallow
enough just to walk and not swim but then my boyfriend went off with some other chick
and my friend left me so did the rest of the people then the ocean got really dark and deep
and there was no sky i was alone in the water so i just kept swimming to shore finally
when i got there everyone had already changed and they were staying with someone else
and as for my friend i tapped her and she wouldn't answer or even look at me. And my
boyfriend was in the shower with that other chick and when he saw me all he said was
well its not like were really going out and i never really loved you then i woke up.
Comments by Dreamer this was a really bad dream of mine but i think i know what
most of it means i just want other opinions
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:36:10 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: riverwalk
Dream title riverwalk Michelle Date of dream 10/21/00 Dream
I am walking near a gushing river. Two men up on my left are fighting. As the one
punches the other, they fall into the river. I can hear them yelling and gasping in the
rushing water. I call 911 on my cell phone, but I don't think anyone is going to be able to
help them. "they can't be saved," I think to myself. I am not scared, just indifferent of
the situation, like oh well.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 39
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. tjab
From: Anonymous
2. dog
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:57:23 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: tjab
Dream Title
Date of Dream recurring
Dream I have recurring dreams about houses. I dream that my house or a
friend's house is huge, like Home Depo size and I (or they) have incredible amounts of
"stuff", incredible wealth and servants. The houses are always different. I have dreams
like this about once a month. I am a middle class mother of one. What does this mean?
Am I lacking something? Will I be wealthy? Should I tithe more? What's up?
Comments by Dreamer
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:02:44 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: dog
Dream Title dog
Date of Dream 10/23 12:45
Dream I was on my roof and I saw my dead dog alive and well. He looked
rabid and started to chase me. All of a sudden I tripped and fell off my roof, but before I
hit the ground I woke up.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 40
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Broken IDs
From: Anonymous
2. Teeth
From: Anonymous
3. Re: Teeth
From: Wisdomofdreams
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:37:57 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Broken IDs
Dream Title Broken IDs by Nick DeSpain
Date of Dream 11/14/00 approx 3 am
Dream I just dreamt that I had my student ID and my driver's licence in my
pocket and then I pulled them out and they were both broken in half. I was very upset by
this.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:46:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Teeth
Dream Title Teeth
Date of Dream Mon, Nov 13, 4am
Dream I am in some dimly lit area with some unfamiliar people and my some
of my teeth suddenly become loose. I grab for one tooth and it falls in my hand. Then I
notice that I have other loose teeth, and they also fall out. It is a horrible, very realistic
dream.
Comments by Dreamer I have had this dream 2 times before
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:22:00 EST
From: Wisdomofdreams
Subject: Re: Teeth
Since you say that this was a horrible dream, if it were my dream I would be wondering
what words I let fall from my mouth that I shouldn't have.
Of course, working in healthcare, I would also likely see my dentist to make sure there
was nothing physically wrong.
Wishing You Wise Dreams, Betty
[This message contained attachments]
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 41
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. start
From: some guy <micro
2. babie
From: Anonymous
3. The Ex, Upended
From: Anonymous
4. Disturbing dream by A. Nonymous
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:59:19 -0800
From: some guy <micro
Subject: start
me up
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:05:47 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: babie
Dream Title babie
Date of Dream 14/11/00
Dream i had a dream that a girl i was seeing (i am single in real life), who
was familiar to me in real life,h gave birth to my children. The children were twins, both
of them black, even though we were both white. I was very very content. But i do
remember the kids grew from birth to about the age of 11 in one week.
Comments by Dreamer I was very happy. I remember something in the dream about
the babies being black even though neither of us were, and it was something to do with
trust, maybe they were someone elses kids but i decided to stand by her.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:04:39 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Ex, Upended
Dream Title The Ex, Upended
Date of Dream 11/14, 3:00 am
Dream I have had several dreams including my ex-wife. The latest was set at
the house she was renting when she went through two very traumatic times. The first
trauma was the recollection of a childhood rape, most likely her father. The second was a
diagnosis of diabetes. I approached the house to find my old car parked in the driveway
but turned sideways. The garage was completely empty. An older woman was in the
backyard cleaning up. When she noticed me, she went to the back door and my ex-wife
came out to the garage. She looked the same age as when she lived at the house. In
addition, she had very very curly hair. She never had this style of hair before.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:05:26 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Disturbing dream by A. Nonymous
Dream Title Disturbing dream by A. Nonymous
Date of Dream 11-15-00 10:00 A.M.
Dream I wanted to post a kind of disturbing dream I had last night. Well for
a while this past summer I was travelling around and visited a friend of mine in VA. In
the dream I was travelling again and visited her again. We were driving around
somewhere on these gravel roads and i was going way too fast but couldn't really slow
down. We got to a dead end and i skidded to a stop outside this old decrepit cemetery.
We got out and walked toward the cemetery. It was cold and windy, and she had a long
black coat on, not really a trenchcoat, but maybe a sweater of some sort.
There were trees to the right of the cemetery, I was walking on the right and she was
walking on the left. It was really windy (oh yeah, already mentioned that) and there were
leaves blowing around everywhere. I turned around and saw what looked like a big white
owl fly down from a tree to the ground. I watcched it and saw that it wasn't an owl at all.
It stood up on its hind legs and came toward me. I asked what it was and my friend told
me but i don't remember the name. It had a face like some kinds of bats but was a lot
bigger as tall as me, and moved like a person. It came close and looked me in the face,
then flew away I think. My friend and I proceeded to walk into this cemetery and up a
hill.
When we were in the cemetery the sun was out and it was peaceful. I told her that I
loved her (which I do, though in a different way than i think i meant it in the dream...)
she said she knew, she loved me too, then , well we ended up making love on someone's
grave... she's married and pregnant and I've been in the same relationship for 5 1/2 years
if that info is pertinent. I think I halfway knew it was a dream or I wouldn't have done
that... I hope!
Just wondering if anyone can make anything of this. Don't bother telling me i'm insane, I
already know that.
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