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The Future of Dreaming
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E L E C T R I C D R E A M S
Volume 7 Issue #1
January 2000
ISSN# 1089 4284
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ Announcement: Now, *Two* DreamWheels!
++ Notes to the Editor/Dream Airing
++ Article: An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Event: Mutual Dream Target for January 15: Pikes Peak
Richard Wilkerson
++ Article: The Future of Dream Journaling Software
Harry Bosma
++ Article: Nanotechnology and Dreaming
Richard Wilkerson
++ Article: Dream Memes
Richard Wilkerson
++ Article: Dreams and Connectionism
Richard Wilkerson
++ Survey Results : The Future of Dreaming:
Comments from the Internet
++ Article: The Socialization of Dream Journaling
Richard Wilkerson
G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S - Peggy Coats
NEWS * RESEARCH & REQUESTS * WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES *
* DREAM CALENDAR for January 2000* ASD News Update!
D R E A M S S E C T I O N :
dream-flow.v001.n197 - dream-flow.v001.n212
D E A D L I N E :
January 19, deadline for February submission
FOR Next Electric Dreams vol 7(2)
Theme: Dream Memes: Myths and Facts about dreaming
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Editor's Notes
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This is the future.
How long do I have to wait before I can type in my dreams and get
a movie back? Or even better, how about just having my dream
pre-recorded and ready to view when I wake up? What will happen
when the Internet flows through our bloodstream via
nanotechnology and creates a seamless fluid stream of dreams that
tie us to all of humankind?
Horror shows or is it hear already? These and other questions
about the future of dreams are explored in this, the first
Electric Dreams issue of the 21st Century.
Lucy Gillis, editor of the Lucid Dream Exchange, wonders what the
connections and mutual influences of lucid dreaming and virtual
reality will be. Be sure to read her account in "An Excerpt From
The Lucid Dream Exchange."
Harry Bosma, a dream software developer, explores the future
generations of dream journal software and the exciting interface
in cyberspace. Don't miss " The Future of Dream Journaling
Software." I have supplemented these ideas with my own take on
using the Internet itself as a journal in the "Socialization of
Dream Journaling".
Once we have advanced the art of nanotechnology, a film of
interconnected, self-replicating programmable goo will unite DNA
and biological based being with the code of the cosmos. How will
this change our dream life? Read all about this in my Dreams and
Nanotechnology.
One of the hottest ideas to hit the Net has been the idea that
ideas are like viruses and can replicate themselves across
cultures. In the article "Dream Memes" I explore this new idea
and what it will mean to the field of dreams and dreaming.
Another notion that has a very futuristic ring to it has been the
Connectionist theories that developed from parallel processing.
In this model of the mind, interconnected nets interface with
neural nodes and create a fabulous model of mind that avoids many
of the pitfalls of the past. See what theorists like Nobel prize
winner Crick and dream theorist Gordon Globus has to say about
dreaming in the article "Connectionism and Dreaming".
Yes, the survey about dreams and the future is here! And so are
some of the answers that have come back from various groups
online. If you are not happy with the answers, send in your own!
Be sure to read all about them in the Future of Dreaming Survey.
Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has been gathering the news
about dreaming from all around the Net and has the latest
conferences, the best workshops, the finest dream events and all
the updates on the latest and best web sites. Be sure to look
over the Global Dreaming News for the events in your area.
Also be sure to catch the letters and news that just came in by
reading the Dream Airing/Letters to the Editor column.
Heads Up! There are now TWO dream groups available via Electric
Dreams. See the DreamWheel Update by Kathy Turner.
Our Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been
organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to
look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul of
dreamers in Cyberspace.
If you who missed our online discussion this month when I was a
guest of the Dream Time Live event for ASD, perhaps you can meet
with us in January when the guest will be Patricia Garfield, Ph.
D. We don't have a specific date yet, but you can keep up by
stopping by the ASD site http://www.asdreams.org or sending e-
mail to the autoresponder at chat@asdreams.org
While this is the first ED issue of the 21st Century to explore
dreams and the future, it won't be the last. Our culture is
quickly becoming virtual and dream folk are experts in this area.
Our culture is spending more time online, playing more video
games and spending time in simulated realities, and we are also
seeing the virtualization of work as companies that used to be
identified with big building are now dynamically situated in a
global electrosphere. Dreamworkers and people who love dreams
are more than a little familiar with this process and understand
the critical differences between significant contact in virtual
space and the derealization and alienation of ignoring dream and
other virtual realities. It will be up to dreamworkers and others
who share the abilities to give meaning to images so that they
may reveal to us their significance.
- Richard Wilkerson
NEXT MONTH: Dream Memes: Myths and Facts about dreaming
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Electric Dreams DreamWheel Update
Kathy Turner
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There are now TWO DreamWheels spinning in cyberspace near you.
Are you interested in doing group dreamwork online? Yes! Then
join one of the DreamWheels. We both follow Montague Ullman's
technique (not slavishly and modified by Richard Wilkerson and
others for online dreamwork). Each of the dreamwheelers asks
questions about the particular dream we are working on in order
to clarify what it was "really" like, then (after listening to
all the responses from the dreamer) we make a comment on what the
dream would mean to us if it were our own. This technique allows
us to honour the mystery and intelligence of the dream and to
recognise that each dream "interpretation" is as much about the
interpreter as it is about the dreamer. It generates insightful
comments for the dreamer and for the interpreter.
The first DreamWheel has a fast turn around. We deal with one
dream per week - this means that if you are going to participate
you need to be able to email the wheel twice each week. It is
particularly good for those who would like to try out online
dreamwork. You'll get lots of support and we will build into it a
connection to Richard's History of Dreaming classes - so you'll
have a chance to try out and think about various ways of
approaching dreams. If you'd like to join or to find out more
just e-mail
Kathy Turner (kathyturner@bigpond.com)
The second DreamWheel is *new*.
It is the eDreams group, with a longer spin time than DreamWheel
(a fortnight or even two weeks), and will give 'dedicated'
dreamers the opportunity to spend a bit longer with each dream.
We'll be starting up the first week of the new millennium - WOW!"
If you'd like to join this DreamWheel or find out more, email
Phyllis Howing (pthowing@earthlink.net) and say "Hi, I'm
interested in the new dream group and would like to learn more!"
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Dream Airing:
News, Notes and Events
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If you have been following the revolution in dream brain science
and the summaries we have been posting here on Electric Dreams,
you will really enjoy that _ Behavioral and Brain Sciences_
Journal has released online a great set of articles, which
includes a delightful summary of Solms by Solms
http//www.cogsci.soton.ac.uk/bbs/Archive/bbs.hobson.html
-source: Art Funkhouser, Bern
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If you would like to get more information about the monthly
class, the History of Dreams, send and e-mail to the
autoresponder at dreamclass@dreamgate.com
-Richard
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Dream Web Site Owners!
Are you tired of sending in URL's to Electric Dreams and not
getting them posted? Would you like to get more attention for
your site and in a more timely fashion?
Good News is coming! But first, our excuses. Electric Dreams
is a labor of love and we put as much time as we can into the
process each month. Sometimes we run out of time and publish
what we have. These means your articles and ads and stories and
dreams sometimes get lost in the shuffle. We *rarely* decide to
not publish your material. We consider Electric Dreams to be an
open public forum with deep ties to free speech.
So, What to do? If you don't see your URL appear in the
Electric Dreams links or on the Electric Dreams E-zine, simply
re-send that to us. Please use the following format when
possible :
1. Name of your Site
2. URL or Net Address
3. Brief statement about what your site is about and how it
relates to dreams and dreaming.
4. Contact e-mail. Indicate clearly if you want this published
or it will be left out.
Send to Peggy Coats pcoats@dreamtree.com and ask her to include
the link in the Global Dreaming News.
I will, given time, use links published here to add to the
Electric Dreams link site.
- Richard
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web update from mark fonda
Thank you for including a link to my Freud pages on your web
site. However, you might be interested in learning that the site
has moved. It can now be found as part of the Fondarosa at:
www.magma.ca/~mfonda
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Hey, did you know that the Lucidity Institute has a regular
newsletter called LUCIDITY*FLASHES
To SUBSCRIBE.....Send a blank email message to
lucidity-on@mail-list.com
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On the issue of lucidity and virtual reality, please see Jayne
Gackenbach's paper
Video Game Play and the Development of Consciousness
http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/videogame.html
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Request for Online Volunteers:
If you are a member of the Association for the Study of Dreams, I
would like to invite you to become an online volunteer. Our
volunteers keep the online dream program for ASD moving along
smoothly, provide support for the office and conference and keep
the ASD web site looking really spiffy.
If you would like to join, drop me a line: Richard Wilkerson
rcwilk@dreamgate.com
If you would like to Become a member of the Association for the
Study of Dreams, stop by http://www.asdreams.org and sign up
today!
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Event: Mutual Dream
Target for January 15: Pikes Peak
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How would you like to meet with the Electric Dreams Community in
Dreamspace? We will be meeting in our dreams on Saturday night,
the 15th of January.
Pikes Peak: 14,100 feet. Located southwest of Colorado
Springs,Colorado in the USA, Pikes Peak is names after the
explorer Zebulon Pike, who claimed no one would ever scale the
peak in wintertime. Now a-days, one can easy drive up or take
the Manitou cog-train most anytime of the year. Besides a nice
view, they also make famous high-attitude, oh so-crispy donuts.
There are many races up the mountain, but the most memorial
believe-it-or-not is a guy who claimed to have push a peanut all
the way up with his noise.
During the 1800's it was not uncommon to see a wagon train with
the words "Pikes Peak or Bust" on the side and this will be our
dream target inspiration as well!
Bring your dream-coats and mittens, as it may be chilly! Free
dream donuts for everyone that comes, just tell them that Richard
sent you.
Like to see a picture of our meeting place? It is here
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams/pikespeak.jpg
What is a mutual dream?
From Linda Magallon's Mutual Dreaming FAQ:
The most generic definition is, "Something in my dream
corresponds to something in your dream." The two classic mutual
dreams are meeting and meshing. In a meeting dream event, I see
you and you see me. For meshing dreams, we share themes, emotions
or symbols; or the wording of our dream reports is quite similar.
You dream of gazing in rapture at the night sky; I dream of being
surprised to see the stars after I switch off the light.
In the Electric Dreams Monthly Mutual Dream Event, we will be
traveling all around the world. The spots I pick are places I
want to go or go back to. If you would like to suggest
alternatives, send them in!
Procedure: Just before going to bed, make the intention to join
the Electric Dreams community in your dreams and to recall and
remember that dream in the morning. Keep and pen and pad by your
bed and send in any dreams you have that night. Be sure to title
and date the dream, and note what the target was.
Don't worry about what time zone you are in and if everyone will
be asleep at the same time. Consider this dream-time
asynchronous. That is, you may dream about the target days before
or after the event and we will still include it in as a mutual
dream.
Post your dreams at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
For more information on Mutual Dreaming, Visit Linda Magallon's
site at:
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
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An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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When the notice was sent out that the theme for the December
issue of Electric Dreams would be about the future, I was struck
by the question "Will virtual reality reach a point where one
cannot tell the difference between lucid dreaming and VR? (When
is the holodeck going to appear?)"
I have heard many people compare lucid dreaming to "having a
personal holodeck", a place where "you create the program." You
can walk through walls, walk on water, fly and defy other laws of
physics. You can live your fantasies, practice public speaking,
or sports activities, etc.
By definition, lucid dreaming requires that you become aware that
you are in a dream, while your body sleeps peacefully in the
waking world of everyday reality. Critical observation of your
environment often aids in determining whether or not you are
dreaming. The dream state can appear so real however, that
sometimes you need to "reality test", to be certain that you are
in fact dreaming. These reality tests vary from trying to fly to
reading printed matter to see if it changes appearance the next
instant you look at it.
But I wonder about those lucid dreamers who engage in VR (Virtual
Reality) games. I don't play video or VR games myself, so I am
not up to speed on the level of sophistication that is available
at present. Does interacting with such games, playing in virtual
worlds, help one to become lucid in one's dreams? As virtual
reality becomes more sophisticated will it be harder to
distinguish between VR and dreaming, or between VR and waking
reality for that matter? Will our critical thinking become
sharper, so that recognition of other than waking reality is
quickly discerned, or will our critical thinking grow lazy as VR
machines do more work for us. As we grow accustomed and
comfortable with virtual reality will we get sluggish in our
ability to discern what is dreaming, what is waking reality, and
what is virtual reality?
Perhaps there is no easy answer. Perhaps it depends on the
individual; after all, each of us is unique in our perceptions
and dreaming and thinking. It will certainly be interesting to
see what develops!
These questions reminded me of Arthur Gillard's pre-lucid dream
"Living in a Simulation" featured in the current issue of The
Lucid Dream Exchange. This dream is considered to be pre-lucid
in that the dreamer is not *completely* aware that he is
dreaming, yet he is aware that he is not in everyday waking
physical reality.
Arthur Gillard
Tuesday, Aug 24, 1999 3:05 A.M.
[Pre-lucid] "Living in a Simulation"
I'm at a house with a friend of mine and an older man who seems
like a sort of teacher/mentor. My friend and I seem young, maybe
teenagers. The teacher sets me a task of digging up an old grave
next to the house. There are 2 graves next to each other, I
choose the one on the left. The one on the right, I notice, as I
start to dig, has things sticking up through the soil, pointy
rocks maybe [like stalactites]. I break through the soil, start
pulling objects up. I can't remember an actual body, I think I
just pull up artifacts. I uncover more and more things, and
eventually it is becoming a sort of passageway. I shout to the
teacher "Can I ask you a question?" as he's heading for a ladder
to do some work on the roof. "No," he says, "Keep digging!"
This annoys me - I think that he doesn't realize I've already
discovered the big secret of this grave. I keep digging and
uncover a whole other level of the house. I go into this
wonderful basement level, which is fully furnished and full of
beautiful and interesting things and furniture. It is a bright,
happy place and I think that I would like to stay here while I'm
staying at the house. I have a couple of fears, though. I say
to myself, "You know this is a basement apartment, right?"
"Yes." "And you know what that means, right?" "Yes - spiders."
I look apprehensively at the ceiling and the floor, but don't see
any. I also fear being locked in - what if somebody piles the
soil up again, sealing me in? I walk up to a section of glass
panels that look like they would open to the outside, but instead
open into more of this underground space. It is around this time
that I realize I'm living in a simulation. I think maybe I get
information, maybe in written form, from the teacher [almost
wrote "master"]. I think my first intimation is when I realize
that I'm not going to be spending a few days or weeks here -
subjectively it'll seem more like 2 years. Also, I know now that
the master is gone away for a long time or forever. I know that
it is possible, here, to change the parameters and
characteristics of my mind, and want to learn how to do this - I
want to become more intelligent, better, more perceptive. I
think my friend knows how to do this but does not realize we are
in simulation right now. I go to him [upstairs I think] and try
to break it to him gently. I say, "What do this and this and all
this [pointing to a few objects, then indicating the outside] all
have in common?" He doesn't know. I point out more things,
maybe including us. He's getting a bit annoyed. Finally I say,
"They're all simulations, that's what! We're in a simulation!"
My friend gets quite angry and denies it. He has a device that
can tell if things are real or simulated, and he gets it out
[can't recall what if anything happens with that]. Now I'm
somewhere in the house; I'm either remembering what has happened
after that, or I'm thinking about what will happen: My friend
freaks out, eventually kills someone who comes to the house. He
[friend] doesn't like some of the things that are happening with
this simulated world. I warned him not to do anything like kill
someone - he has to play by the rules of this place. The others
don't realize they are simulations. They lock him up for killing
someone. Meanwhile I'm still here, I'll be able to learn and
grow.
The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly issue of lucid dream
experiences, articles, and announcements submitted by individual
readers. If you'd like more information about The Lucid Dream
Exchange contact Lucy Gillis at lucy@turbotek.net.
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The Future of Dream Journaling Software
Harry Bosma
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There are basically three developments for dream journals I hope
to see in the future: leveraging the internet, use of language
recognition technology and easy to use movie making.
The internet has the potential to help both novice dreamers and
experienced dreamers. A big issue for novice dreamers is
validation of their dreams. After all the mainstream view of
dreams in our society is that dreams are weird. Fortunately
that's mostly a matter of ignorance. A place where dreamers can
meet and exchange experiences would help to make dreams feel more
normal. The internet is the perfect medium for just that.
Both novice and experienced dreamers are interested in symbolic
interpretation, participation in dream groups and special
projects on mutual dreaming and precognition. Here too the
internet offers many possibilities.
To see how the internet can affect dream journaling software I
have to get a bit technical. The current generation of journaling
software - like most other software - still works on an
individual computer completely separated from the internet. The
exact opposite is already possible. Nowadays software can just as
well run on a website. As long as you're connected people won't
even notice if software is running on their own machine or
somewhere on the internet at the other side of the world. Within
a few years most people will be continuously connected to the
internet, using ie cable connections. For various reasons I don't
expect you'd want to use dream journaling software running on the
internet, but a hybrid running partly on your own machine and
partly on the internet may be very interesting.
Hybrid local/internet software would make it possible to offer a
dream for discussion on the internet, to have people share
personal symbol dictionaries, look for discussions of similar
dreams, etc, all within the same dream journaling package. Use of
the internet would make it possible to tap virtually unlimited
resources. Of course, email and simple websites can do a lot too,
but I feel it's too cumbersome and not enough.
The second development I hope to see is use of language
recognition. Basically language recognition is the ability of
computers to understand natural language as written and spoken by
us humans. In a very primitive form this is already being used in
dictation software. In a more advanced form it could do
quantitative analysis of dreams, detect recurring themes and
possible even ask some smart questions to help reflection.
Naturally, what most people really want is out-of-the -box dream
interpretation, but I'm very skeptical about that.
The third development has to do with trying to capture dreams
more directly then by writing down a description. Many dreamers
already draw quick pictures and sketches, but what really would
be nice are animations or cartoon movies. Most of the basic
technology already exists, think about the 3D engines used in
graphics games. The problem is that you need a lot of time to
create something. I've seen examples of software for children
that makes creation very easy but at the cost of very few
options. The current trade-off between options and easy of use
seems unnecessary to me and that's where I expect huge
improvements.
Graphics software is of course a class of software on its own,
but eventually to the user of dream journaling software it should
feel like it's an integral part of the journaling environment. I
know that Richard Wilkerson would like to see movies
automatically generated from a dream description. Vice versa, it
should be possible to generate a description from a movie in case
you generated the movie manually and skipped the description.
That way all other future features based on an internet
connection and language recognition can still be used as well.
With enough financial resources, anything can be done here. The
hardest part is language recognition and some people are
pessimistic that we will ever get that right. The development of
graphics software is hard to predict, but it's primarily a matter
of continued development, not of fundamental research as needed
with language recognition. Everything related to the internet is
already possible.
Harry
Alchera, dream interpretation software:
http://mythwell.com
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Nanotechnology and Dreaming
Richard Wilkerson
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At the beginning of the 21st Century, we have moved from the
Digital Revolution to the Digital Age. That is, the
digitalization of our environment is now part of the everyday
chatter of common folk and has its spot on the Six O'Clock News.
But if nanotechologists are to be believed, we ain't seen nuthin'
yet and molecular engineering will allow us to dream in a world
connected by digital soup, interfacing with beings that have
transcended DNA and are in contact with one another through
multi-dimensional channels of sensitivity and interconnectedness
that will make the occult notions of telepathy seems like child's
play.
Nanotechnology is about creating self-replicating structures
measured very small sizes. DNA, for example, is less than two and
a half nanometers across. That is, a nanometer is about 50 atoms
wide. Imagine the fastest, largest computer we have now the size
of a few nanometers. Now imagine that this structure can
replicate itself and become an undetectable film on any, and all
surfaces, including the blood steam. This will give humankind
the chance to progress past the structures that offered by DNA,
and at an accelerated rate. Evolution that used to occur over
millions of years will be able to occur over millions of seconds.
This brings us to dreams and dreaming. At this time, dreams
(at least the ones we recall) are pretty much limited to the
sleep cycle and brain biophysiology. Lose a little bit of your
brain in a car accident or by lobotomy and your dream recall
drops to nix.
I realize the horror some people will feel reading this. The
nightmare of technological pride which brought about the horrors
of the 20th Century, such as world wars and the atomic power
disasters, the continual push towards the manipulation of the
environment leading to ecological chaos and ruin, and the general
attitude that controlling things is the way to go has given many
cause to ponder whether we has perhaps gone too far already
technologically. But I would like to suggest that it is not the
unnatural and technological per se that is the problem, but the
relationship with have with it.
After all, our jaws and our eyes are technology designed to
control the environment. Why is DNA so precious and have
priority over other forms of technology?
And the Nature-Nurture issue gets out of hand as well. We like to
talk about being natural, living naturally, eating naturally and
so on. But in fact, mankind gave up being natural a long time
ago. Language and arts and crafts are all culturally developed.
This development has led to a larger brain capacity. Its so large
that we now have to give birth to our young way before they can
take care of themselves in anyway. Other animals and life start
out in life with instincts that function to allow them to
survive. Our children are immediately dependent upon culture, a
culture that has increased their cranial capacity to such an
extent that they aren't even born naturally.
Nanotechnology offers humans the chance to develop the
capacities they already have and even to add new fabulous new
capacities. In dreams and dreaming, we have some very subtle
possibilities open. The connection between DNA, the brain and
dream telepathy is unclear, but occurs just enough to keep people
interested. With nanotechnology we can amplify the physical and
social structures that support subtle energies. The sleeping
mind will be able to connect with streams of feedback on a cosmic
scale. At this time, we learn though a very slow feedback
system. We try something and someone rewards us for getting it
right, or doesn't. Imagine cutting this feedback time down. Way
down. Instead of feedback once a day, or even once a second, that
we can process feedback in loops calculated in millionths of a
second. The point is not that multiplying what we do will
innately make life better, but that it will allow us to move so
fast that we are moving at the same rate as subtle energy. We
dance with it rather than getting an encrypted letter once a day.
Also, imagine being able to have your ten most favorite dreams
going at the same time. Within each of these dreams, or some of
them, there are interfaces to dreams that other people are having
at the same time. Instead of being overwhelmed by the impact of
too much data, a consciousness supported by the liquid sea of
nanotechnology will regulate the amounts of satisfaction needed
for personal coherency. Some will even choose unconsciousness.
But probably for pre-determined times. That is, I will enter one
of my dreams with the agreement with myself that for an hour I
won't realize this is a dream. Those who have even better
relationships of trust with their unconscious will be able to
completely turn themselves over to the unconscious for
unspecified amounts of time.
Of course, this is a view from an early 21st Century
perspective. When the cosmos fills with nanotechnological fluid,
the concept of identity and what I will dream and who is dreaming
will shift dramatically. Just for fun, imagine that the part of
your brain involved in dreaming and time/space, the PTO junction,
or Parietal/Temporal/Occipital junction is connected via a
streaming flow to a low level satellite that is recording a solar
eclipse and transmitting this event to a larger stadium of people
who are in various states of being overwhelmed by this event.
Their feelings are available for connection and travel through
layer 840M of the west coast nanofluidic stream, which is being
accessed by the Rim Art Group who are studying the effects of
dream mediated eclipse events and producing nanopools of
erogenous planetary movements.
Let us not be any more afraid of nanotechnology mediating our
dreams than of jawbones mediating our speech, or eyes mediating
the look on our lover's face.
For more on nanotechnology see
Ralph Merkle's Nanotechnology Page
http://www.zyvex.com/nano/
RCW
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Dream Memes
Richard Wilkerson
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As anthropologists pick around the digs of ancient civilizations
and cultures, they find that there are some ideas we have which
have carried down from one generation to another, while others
seem to fade away into obscurity. Like DNA, some ideas seem to
contain instructions and patterned information capable of
building and maintaining themselves, of replicating and mutating,
of adapting and evolving.
The notion of social evolution has been explored by various
research groups and theoretical perspectives. Connecting the
natural selection processes of genetics with that of culture has
not met with much success. Yet from some perspectives, they are
quite similar, including exploration and transformation of an
information space through variation, selection, and replication
Recently, the notion of self-replicating ideas has been revived
with the advent of the Internet in the term "memes" (pronounced
like "seams" with an "m"). The term was coined by Richard Dawkins
in 1976 and the field of study has blossomed in the hopes of
uniting cultural evolution with a pragmatic concept in the way
biological evolution has been united by genetics.
Since memes offer a synthetic framework for understanding how
mental representations are generated, organized, stored,
retrieved, and expressed at the level of the individual but
carried by the culture, they will be of great interest to
dreamworkers and dream theorists. This will occur at several
levels. One will be what dreams offer meme theory. That is, how
much of dreaming is involved in the replication and organization
of ideas and their emotional importance. Another level will be
the Dream Memes in theory and content. In content, we are talking
about the dream themes that Calvin Hall explored in his content
analysis, the Universal dream themes of Patricia Garfield and the
archetypal mythologies carried forward by the Jungians.
Theoretical dream memes include all the notions about dreams,
about what they mean and don't mean, what kinds of access they
give us, and all the folklore and spiritual, scientific and
psychological views. As to the degree that dream ideas obtain
the status as cultural memes is a questions to be explored and
answered. Does a child, for example, gain the ability to fly in a
dream from talking about this with other children? To what degree
to we obtain dream flight on our own, and to what degree is it a
dream meme?
Liane Gabora notes that there are conditions for a pattern to be
considered as evolutionary. I have added a few dream meme notes
to each of these.
1.A pattern of information (a state within a space of possible
states).
These are usually referred to in dreams as stories, narratives
and events.
2. A way to generate variations of the pattern (explore or
transform the space).
In dreams, this is called theme-variation.
3. A rationale for selecting variations that are adaptive - tend
to give better performance than their predecessors in the context
of some problem or set of constraints (a fitness landscape
applied to the space).
In dreams, the evolution of dream themes occurs, but more
slowly in Western Cultures. In non-industrial cultures, dreams
are given a higher value and explored more. Here, evolution of
the dreaming is clearer. This evolution has been occurring in
some segment of Western Culture as in lucid dream training,
preparing dream themes before going to sleep and complex
psycho-spiritual interactions that can evolve in the adult
dreamer.
4. A way of replicating and transmitting (or amplifying, as
molecular biologists refer to it) the selected variations.
Here there are different kinds of dream transmissions. The
telepathic and psychic transfers are generally to far apart and
rare to see evolution. The transmitting of dream stories from one
person to another is the most common. Transmitting and practicing
various kinds of dreamwork, or repression of dreamwork, is also
part of the replication and transmission process. As mentioned
earlier, it is unclear how much a dream meme is replicated during
childhood and how much occurs at later developmental stages.
However, to be of significant theoretical value, memetics must
unfold the processes by which experience in the world turns into
new memes in our brains, and address how memetic novelty is
expanded further through creative processes.
"The memetic approach involves relinquishing our focus on the
individual, and concentrating instead on the meme as the object
of a second evolutionary process that makes cognition possible.
This perspective can feel unnatural and disorienting but it
discloses population-level phenomena that would otherwise go
unnoticed because they are not readily detected through
introspection." Gabora
in-dreams vs in-culture. which is what is where is both?
"We bite the bullet and consider anything that can be the subject
of an instant of experience, to be a meme. The category `meme'
now includes not only obviously transmittable ideas like `Be good
or you will go to Hell', but everything from a particular
experience of vibrant `redness', to a realization of a shorter
route to work, to a feeling of dread associated with a teacher's
posture or facial expression. This may strike some readers as
outrageous, but it doesn't really make things as unwieldy as it
might seem to at first glance. For the price of this added
complication we gain a bridge that connects memetics with
phenomena like perception, body language, planning, deductive
reasoning, emotion, categorization, analogy... the stuff of the
social and cognitive sciences. It may be our only viable
direction. A theory of mind that can account for myth and
freestyle dance, not to mention rapid personality assessment, is
not easily achieved. " Gabora
"Our concept of meme can be clarified by invoking Kanerva's
notion of the focus - that part of the mind in which sensation
(either external or internal e.g. hunger) and stored memory
interact to produce a stream of experience. The states of the
neurons that comprise the focus determine the content and
experiential quality of an individual's awareness. One can think
of a meme as a pattern of information that is or has been encoded
in an individual's focus. It can be subjectively experienced as a
sensation, idea, attitude, emotion, or combination of these, and
it can direct implementation by the motor apparatus. " Gabora
"Brains Select Memes that Satisfy Biological and Cultural Needs "
By looking a dream memes this way, we wonder about the dreams
that fall outside of the bodily need fulfillment. That is, what
needs are being fulfilled by flying, walking through walls,
talking to the dead, seeing someone other than ourselves in
mirrors and going to school naked?
In this sense, we can talk about the needs of the Self to find
itself, the need to explore and play with options, to entertain
itself, even to scare itself.
Memetically, another way of looking at this is that every time
we are ready to take on a new matrix or larger set of memes,
cracks in the surface of our usually patterns of perception
occur.
"Variation-inducing operations restructure conceptual space and
thus affect the memetic fitness landscape. Much as the evolution
of rabbits created ecological niches for species that eat them
and parasitize them, the invention of cars created cultural
niches for gas stations, seat belts, and garage door openers. As
one progresses from infanthood to maturity, and simple needs give
way to increasingly complex needs, the stream of thought acquires
the properties of a chaotic or strange attractor, which can be
viewed as the formation of crevices in the original limit cycle.
The landscape is fractal (i.e. there is statistical similarity
under change of scale) in that the satisfaction of one need
creates other needs - every crevice when examined closely reveals
more crevices." Gabora
As Jung might say, when our world-view gets too small, we see it
is just an egg shell for rebirth into the larger self.
These cracks in the dream show us on one hand where the
connection between material consensus reality ends and a
different corporial existence begins. One might say that dreams
are the way we practice learning how to live in the upcoming
virtual omnisphere.
"An endpoint of a cultural evolution trajectory turns out to be
not just a point in multidimensional space, but a set of points
with their own fitness metric - a `micro-landscape' in its own
right. So although the memetic fitness landscape loosely follows
the biological fitness landscape, there are places where it
deviates, and this effect undoubtedly becomes more pronounced
throughout an individual's lifetime. This means that the
potential for meme diversity, though constrained by host need, is
open-ended. " Gabora
A use of meme in dreaming may be to allow us to see what kinds of
unwanted memes are attaching themselves to our system and staying
out of normal consciousness. When we watch a commercial, this
meme-attachment process happens. Products try to attach sexual
encounter memes, riches memes, prowess memes and other desirable
but completely unrealistic memes to commercial products.
Normally these are not in our focus, but may emerge in connected
colonizations of dream themes.
Richard Wilkerson
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More on Memes:
A "meme," of course, is an idea that functions in a mind the same
way a gene or virus functions in the body. And an infectious idea
(call it a "viral meme") may leap from mind to mind, much as
viruses leap from body to body.
Meme, Counter Meme Mike Godwin Wired 2.10 oct 1994
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if.html
Memes, unlike genes, do not come packaged with instructions for
their replication; they rely on the pattern-evolving machinery of
our brains. We tend to replicate memes that satisfy needs -
biological needs like food, shelter, and sex, or needs that
contribute less directly to survival of self and progeny. These
include the need for love, and the need for a coherent internal
model of the world, something we can call upon whenever a
situation is too complicated for our hardwired instincts.
Wired 5.06 June 1997 Memes: The Creative Spark
by Liane M. Gabora
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.06/idees_fortes.html
Meme
A unit of cultural transmission. The archetypal meme "meme" was
launched by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins in his 1976
mind grenade The Selfish Gene.
Derived from a Greek root meaning "to imitate," meme describes
how ideas mimic the behavior of genes, propagating not from body
to body, Dawkins wrote, but "by leaping from brain to brain."
Memes range from scientific hypotheses to slang words, TV
commercials to conspiracy theories. A fertile meme, Dawkins
further explained, parasitizes the brain "in just the way that a
virus may parasitize the genetic mechanism of a host cell." Once
you're infected, you tell two friends, and they tell two friends,
and so on, and so on, just like the old Jhirmack shampoo ad
(itself a long-living meme).
Apart from its commercial applications, studying these "viruses
of the mind" has emerged as a serious academic discipline,
spawning evolutionary approaches in fields such as political
science and cognitive psychology and heady periodicals like the
Journal of Memetics.
Still, the most celebrated memetic engineers are usually
advertisers. Their job, after all, is to create brand
recognition, making meme warfare akin to brain-side product
placement. The biggest battleground: television.
"It's not called 'programming' for nothing," says author Douglas
Rushkoff, whose 1994 book Media Virus! further popularized the
notion of memes. "The hardwiring of human beings together through
a global interactive media has led to the mass transmission of
memes, which, instead of infecting individuals one by one, attack
the entire cultural organism."
Wired 6.02 feb 1998
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive//6.02/idees_fortes.html?person
=richard_dawkins&top ic_set=wiredpeople
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Dreams and Connectionism
Richard Wilkerson
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There was a time when finding models for the notion of neural
nets in the brain was hard to do and talking about the subject
was pretty much limited to computer geeks who got excited about
computers being able to simulate thinking in anyway analo
One of the most common models we have of the brain is a densely
packed system of interconnected neurons. Bundles in various areas
of the brain function in related, but distinct ways. However,
this view has always had a very biological bias. On the cognitive
plane, we are more apt to how and why our thoughts work in a
psycho-social setting. A large gap has always existed between
the hardware and software. With the rise of the early computer
models of the brain, this gap only further widened as computers
were seen as being able to function in only a serial fashion.
That is, the computer performs one operation, then another. It
may appear as if you are running more than one program at a time
on your computer, but in fact, the computer is quickly switching
back and forth between tasks. New generations of computers
attempted to develop PDP or parallel distributed processing. In
these computer, there are several central processors working at
the same time and communicating with one another. One of the
models to come out of this is Connectionism. In this model, the
machine is a rich interconnection of nodes which influence but
don't directly control one another. Rather, one network is
influenced by the variety of input it receives from other
networks and balances this with its own sets of harmony and the
overall harmony of the other networks it is in contact with.
Frances Crick, famous for his discoveries about the structure of
DNA, became somewhat notorious in the dream field for his
suggestive essays with his friend Mitchison in the 1980's. They
combined this research with a model of neural networks to suggest
that the brain is actually unlearning during dreaming. They
suggested that the neural networks that the mind loads during the
day get saturated with information and create false links between
neural nets that produce what we see as bizarre dreams. The
random firing or REM cleans these out during the night. Thus,
they hypothesize, remembering dreams may be counter productive to
the unlearning process.
Gordon Globus has suggested that the brain works not only with
stimulus-response and chemicals, but with models of *whole
worlds*. He uses a similar model to Crick and Mitchison, but
points out that there is a complex interactive brain system best
described as neural nets that *produce* as well as respond to
events. In waking life there is feedback and corrections from a
more concrete world. In sleep we continue to produce models of
worlds, but they have their own rules and we then interact with
these.
With the deployment of the Internet as a model and reality, these
notions of the neural nets are clearer to understand. When
events occur, such as threat of a war, a political scandal or the
availability of a celebrity, the Internet begins to buzz. The
neural nets might be seen as newsgroups, e-mail discussion lists,
bulletin boards and other interactive groups. The information and
stories flow into these areas, and are responded to in variety of
ways and passed along or absorbed. Eventually the perturbations
settle back into the normal ebb and flow. But the process is not
just passive, nor does it ever return to exactly the same state
of harmony. These stories lead to discussions that become
actions in the world and online that change the world.
Crick, Francis & Mitchinson, Graeme (1983). The function of dream
sleep. Nature, 304(14), July,
111-114.
Crick, Francis & Mitchinson, Graeme. (1986). REM sleep and neural
nets. Journal of Mind and
Behaviour, 7(2&3), 229-50.
Globus, G. G. (1987). Dream life, wake life: The human condition
through dreams. Albany: State
University of New York Press.
Globus, G. G. (1989). Connectionism and the dreaming mind.
Journal of Mind and Behavior,
10(2), 179-196.
Globus, G. G. (1991). Dream content: Random or meaningful?
Dreaming, 1, 27-40.
Globus, G. G. (1993). Connectionism and sleep. In A. Moffitt, M.
Kramer, & R. Hoffmann
(Eds.), The functions of dreaming (pp. 119-138). Albany: State
University of New York Press.
Globus, Gordon G. (1991). Dream content: Random or meaningful?
Dreaming, 1(1), 27-40.
Globus, Gordon G. (1987). Dream Life, Wake Life: The Human
Condition Through Dreams.
Albany: State University of New York Press.
Globus, Gordon G. (1989). Connectionism and the dreaming mind.
The Journal of Mind and
Behavior, 10(2). 179-196.
Globus, Gordon G. (1993). Connectionism and sleep. In A. Moffitt,
M. Kramer, R. Hoffman
(Eds.), The Functions of Dreaming. Albany, NY: SUNY Press.
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The Future of Dreaming:
Comments from the Internet
Survey by Richard Wilkerson
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This survey went out online in December of 1999, but its not too
late to get your opinions in!
1. "Have all the good dreamwork techniques been found, or are
there more coming soon? What are some of the possible new
dreamwork movements that are likely to appear?"
The creation of new movements never cease (except perhaps during
Ice Ages). Expect to see lucid dream production companies and
dreamcasting organizations in the near future, complete with
advertising on day-world media. ("Thousands of Interactive
Dream Channels to choose from every night!") Bill I.
No I don't think they have all been found. I doubt that dream
work that takes full advantage of this medium has been even
really begun. With even more changes in the field of
communication technology there is even more to
consider.Robert_G
2. "There will come a (hypothetical) time when one cannot easy
tell the difference between Virtual Reality and what we now call
common reality. How will this effect dreaming and dreamwork?"
If this comes to pass, folks will dream of Virtual Reality and
sometimes find it difficult to distinguish between waking and
dreaming (this already happened, in spades, during the
Hallucinogenic Era.) Bill I.
I would think so ... dream medication ... hallucinogenic drugs
.... dream-machines ... dream electronic probes to stimulate
dreaming while in labs while awake ... only the limits of
imagination will limit the possibilities Robert_G
3. "Will virtual reality reach a point where one cannot tell the
difference
between lucid dreaming and VR? (when is the holodeck going to
appear?)"
This sounds like apples & oranges to me, but I could be wrong.
The StarTrek holodecks are based on waking consciousness, with
its own distinct "feeling tone;" unless you've been stoned for a
week, you can always tell the difference -- dream and lucid
dream consciousness have their own distinctive tones. Bill I.
"Are there going to be dream-machines, how soon, and what kind of
phases will they go through in their development?"
"Commercial" dreamcasting is possible now (almost as a joke, of
course) -- there's no reason a core group of lucid dreamers
couldn't stage a production tonight, complete with commercial
advertising (but it might be real tough finding a sponsor until
a significant percentage of the population accepts the concept).
The development of machines to aid this requires further
understanding of the dream environment (see Seth) and the usual
financial incentives to fund research. Bill I.
"Will interest in dreams continue to flourish in the future or
will images mediated by the outside become more dominate?"
Interest in dreams will continue with the likelihood that it will
increase. In truth in the big picture I don't think that
dreaming is all that valued
or respected. Robert_G
There is no outside, now, is there? All is created within, from
dreams to television, movies, and Internet Video and other
waking life entertainment. If a group of lucid dreamer staging
nightly productions becomes popular, well, that will simply add
a new twist to things, possibly driving advertisers permanently
insane. A future in which devices somehow aid/accelerate this,
funded by commercial interests, is a bit much to contemplate.
Perhaps the world of commerce and industry will have melted down
by the time this is feasible, rendering the possibility void.
Bill I.
"How much dreamwork in the future will be nostalgic (all about
the past), how much teleological (about the future) or autotelic
(kind of just play with itself?)"
In the dreamworld, all time is simultaneously accessible (as it
actually is while waking); autotelics rule, as always. Bill I.
"We now use email, mail lists, bulletin boards, usenet, iphones,
cams and avatars to share dreams online. What's coming up in the
next year, the next decade, the next century?"
Already, today, famous discarnate personalities, masquerading
even as themselves, are interacting in cyber-environments via
channelling (quite consciously). This kind of weirdness will
continue to accelerate. The commonality between waking,
dreaming, and "dead" will become more apparent, with cyberspace
merely aiding this process of "awakening." Bill I.
"What will be the average amount of time a person can spend in
lucid
dreaming if they give it 10 minutes or so of attention each day?
That is, given that our techniques, machines and intentions
develop, what can the average person expect to experience in
terms of number of lucid dreams?"
"When will the first Dream Church or Religion appear? Will
dreamwork have a disaster like jonestown or heaven's gate? Or
will dream religion appear more like neo-urban shamanism?"
Why separate dreaming from other consciousness in this way?
Regardless of the increasing perception of the commonality of
conscious states (dreaming, death, waking, etc.) this separation
is unnecessary in a world in which separation itself becomes
increasingly seen as illusory. Any new religion spawning,
myth-making activity must involve the total increasing sphere of
expanded awareness, not just the dreamworld. If someone begins
to increasingly encounter religious types (which they've
created) while lucidly dreaming, will this not merely enhance
their waking religious activities? (But more fundamentally, are
we not moving away from organized religion -- the creation of
power structures in which we imbed "spiritual" beliefs? Haven't
we already had more than enough of this over the last 6,000
years or so?) Bill I.
"As cyber-personalities begin to gain more legal status, will
dream personalities begin to demand more rights as well? If
people like Linda Magallon are correct, that their is a distinct
dream personality(s) separate from the ego, and we grant this
personality entity status, how far will this go?"
Definitely not. Legal status is by its nature a thing of the
waking world, invoking the restrictiveness of F1 focus reality.
As this expands and becomes closer in nature to the dreamworld &
afterdeath realities, I would expect things to go the other way
-- a lessening of legalities here, not an expansion of them into
inappropriate places. Bill I.
"If we meet up with aliens, and they dream, will they have the
same psychodynamics in their dreams, or will they be so
different we will be pressed to call it dreaming? What might
this look like?"
Yes and no. Yes they will be dreamers, yes they will connect to
the ONE which is author. they will be different in terms of their
biological and sociological context (which helps us to create
the stage and cast of characters within our personal dreams).
rgl
Try it and see. What is truly "alien?" Inner dimensions have
always existed, and visitors from distant reaches of inner space
with them; encounters with such "alien" consciousness are almost
commonplace during on-line ICQ sessions involving group
meditation and such things.
"What will happen in various dream fields in the future? Dreams
and Biology, Dreams and Neurology, Dreams and Anthropology,
Dreams and Literature, Dreams and Film, Dreams and psychiatry,
and so on?"
Again, the distinctions and artificial separations (part & parcel
of the Age of Reason and absolutely necessary for the
maintenance of the structures of academia) are melting.
Bill I.
<< As cyber-personalities begin to gain more legal status, will
dream personalities begin to demand more rights as well? If
their is a distinct dream personality(s) separate from the ego,
and we grant this personality entity status, how far will this
go? >>
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Richard, I love this question. My dream personality is so
different from real life, I'd trade places in a second if given
the opportunity. Actually, I have two different bodies over
there. One is perpetually 18, strong, beautiful... better than
any Barbie doll every was, is intelligent, and in full control of
her life.
The other dream personality is tall, over 7 feet tall, thin,
blonde, beautiful, and seems to be young also, around 21 or so.
This one is also intelligent, and lives on a spacecraft.
I never see myself as I am in the physical, 5'10", fat, and
old... age 60.
As a result of my dreams, I have an extremely good image of
myself. I'm always shocked when I look in the mirror and see what
I really look like. I always feel like I could get up off the
couch and do backflips or ice dancing with the best of them...
until I actually make the physical move to do so with a groan and
aching knees, and walk stiffly across the room.
Dee
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The Socialization of Dream Journaling
Richard Wilkerson
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[This article is a revised update from
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (Winter, 1999). The Internet as a
Dream Journal. The Association for the Study of Dreams
Cyberphile. Dream Time 16(1).]
The most common way to record a dream today is in a dream
journal. However, this was not always so. Early dream sharing was
most likely verbal and done around a village fire. Whoever else
happened to be awake at the time acted as the journal, a human
surface against which the dream was recorded. Rather than the
private and isolated act that keeping a journal has become, the
dream was originally distributed across the social network.
Contemporary dream groups have helped bridge this gap between the
isolated dreamer and his/her society. But since we don't wake up
within direct earshot of the group, sequestered journal keeping
remains our primary recording medium. The Internet can't yet give
back the intimate social experience of the village fire, but it
does offer new opportunities in social recording and processing.
With a few selections, one can both record and share a dream at
the same time. The dream might go out anonymously to a general
public or be shared with more personal details in an intimate
group.
E-mail will automatically stamp a date and time on your dream
record. Even if you send the e-mail to yourself, this creates a
dated journal. Many e-mail programs offer special mail boxes,
that will automatically sort through both incoming and outgoing
e-mail. Most people use these for sorting incoming mail from a
particular topic area or person, but they can just as easily be
used to keep a record of dreams.
E-mail can be further configured to distribute to a group.
Different groups now online offer different methods for recording
your dreams and getting different types responses.
The Electric Dreams community offers three different dream
journal opportunities via e-mail. The first is a list called
dream-flow. This is an open list, where dreams and comments on
dreams flow in and out from a variety of sources. The dreams and
comments are doubly recorded. The e-mail posts are archived
publicly and they are also published once a month on the Electric
Dreams e-zine, which is the second e-mail list. Electric Dreams
also allows dreamers to send in pictures and dream inspired
graphics in an illustrated version of the same e-zine. Electric
Dreams is also archived online in a distributed manner, with
members keeping full and partial collections on mirror sites,
creating a redundant and thereby robust memory and archiving
system.
The Electric Dreams community offers a third e-mail group, called
the DreamWheels. [No connection with the wonderful Ramsay Raymond
Dreamwheel] These are more private groups that are limited in
number and time or duration. They experiment with various kinds
of dream sharing, the most popular being the styles developed by
John Herbert for electronic channels in the early 1990s. The
records of these groups are usually keep confidential, though
they are occasionally published with the permission of the
participants.
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
Bulletin Boards, Usenet Newsgroups and Web Sites.
Another way to use the Internet as a dream journal is to post
dreams on a bulletin board. The most popular bulletin boards on
dreams and dreaming are the Usenet Newsgroups. To
contact these,
you really need a news-reader program and your Internet provider
[ISP] has to carry the groups. If you are on America Online, you
can use the keyword "usenet" and then subscribe to the newsgroups
you want.
The most popular dream boards are alt.dreams, alt.dreams.lucid
and alt.dreams.castaneda but there are several others that talk
about dreams and dreaming as well, including alt. jung
alt.psyhology, alt.psychology.help and talk.religion.newage.
Posting to these boards creates two kinds of archived records.
The first lasts about two weeks. During that time, people can
comment on your posts, creating "threads" of notes that are
connected to the original post. After that time, the posts go
into long term holding archives. The best way to access these
archives right now is via a search engine called Deja-News
www.dejanews.com This service will also allow you to post
messages without having direct access to the Usenet Newsgroups.
As an archiving service, these groups are very convenient. Dreams
sent in to them will be time stamped and dated. Researchers can
search via keywords.
An alternative to the Newsgroups and ISPs is the individually
owned web site. Jeremy Taylor, for example, provides a dream
discussion area where dreams can be posted in the same style as
on a Usenet Newsgroup. The guestbook has archives, but it is
unclear what will happen with the posts over time.
http://www.jeremytaylor.com/
Patricia Garfield has a feedback form depending on the type of
dream you have. These dreams flow into the research on Universal
Dreams.
http://www.patriciagarfield.com
An artistic variation is as site by Gail Bixler-Thomas, where
dreamers can post the dream with a picture and the dreamer's own
interpretation.
http://members.aol.com/gbt1/index.htm
Jesse Reklaw has been providing a unique dream recording service
for years, but only a few special dreams get chosen. He turns the
chosen dreams sent in into comic strips, and these are archived.
http://www.nonDairy.com/slow/wave.cgi.
Again, the length of the post is up to the individual Web site
owner. The solution is to put up and maintain your own private
Web site.
The private dream journal sites are too numerous to mention
individually, but I wanted to point out a few of the
characteristics and general flavor of these sites. Often they are
like a normal journal, with dream collections from various time
periods. These can vary widely. Some people have put online dream
journal collections that cover many years of dreaming, while
others have put up collections that cover a few days or months.
Many of the sites include illustrations and are more like dream
inspired art galleries, while others are completely text entries
and pages. Some of the online journals include feedback forms and
comments to the dreamer, while others allow for sorting and
searching of particular dream themes. A new appearance has been
the appearance of Web- Rings, which tie together themes, such as
dream journals, together in a connected hyperlinking indexing
system. Dan Cummings attempted a similar project within one web
site. He linked themes within dreams to other sites. For example,
creating links from a dream alligator to a site about mythic
alligators and save the crocodile clubs.
Storing dreams and recording dreams in computers offline have
been discussed by Peggy Coats (see above article) and others,
such as Sarah Richards [http://www.iris-publishing.com/] and
Cynthia Pearson. ["The Dream Index: Thanks to Bill Gates, It's
Working." Paper presentation, ASD-12, June 22, 1995.]
The channels of these journals used to be read-out-only or print.
That is, we could print the files or read from them verbally or
to ourselves. Now they are becoming more integrated with online
programs and beginning to distribute themselves across the global
network.
If you have been feeling anxious about this dispersal of private
material into the public arena, you are not alone. The Internet
has made the issue of private vs. public as problematic as the
issue of nurture vs. nature. What happens, for example, when your
boss reads your dream journals, or your husband, or children?
For those concerned about how dreams might expose material too
personal to share, but still want feedback & social interaction,
there is always anonymous sharing. This is the Internet's
solution to confidentiality. E-mail accounts online are now free.
That is, once you have established one e-mail account, you can
sign up for several others. Netscape, Hotmail, Tripod and other
ISP's give these away free in exchange for attention. AOL offers
its members 5 or 6 e-mail name accounts. With these accounts you
can send and receive mail anonymously. To protect people with
dream about close friends, some people use the global find and
replace on word processors to exchange personal names with pen
names and pseudonyms.
Anonymous intimacy, public privacy, exteriorized interiors,
networked emotional fields, computer mediated souls. Sound crazy?
Welcome to the 21st Century! Here the boundaries of recording
dreams and sharing them are in flux. Archiving can now just as
easily be publishing. Recalling dreams may include a wide range
of computer mediated assistance. The word "journal" becomes more
of a perspective than an object, an organizing intelligence as
well as a repository of data. We needn't get lost in the chaos.
As the term "journal" begins to take on additional meanings and
values, it forces us to more carefully extract and define the
essence of these activities and practices. We begin to unfold the
value that we place on dating and time stamping our dreams. We
begin to explore the differences within and between the textual,
verbal and graphic recordings.
We begin to examine the boundaries of representing and presenting
dreams, of their beginnings and endings, their resistance and
persistence. Is the dream over once we wake up and begin
recalling it, or when we semi-lucidly begin recalling before
fully waking up? What kind of record is it when the text is
distributed over global networks and returned with comments?
There is one thing we can be sure of and that is the methods for
recording and keeping dreams will continue to evolve and overflow
the boundaries of our present day techniques and practices. This
becomes especially so when the Internet itself is used as the
village fire that acts as the pages of the manuscript. This
digitally mediated journal is a fountain of networked flows
through which you can truly transverse the inscription of your
own dreams.
- Richard Wilkerson
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December 1999
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Hawaiian Dreaming
- Dream Workshop with Gina Pearlin and Amber Coverdale Sumrall
Study Dreams on tour with the NY Center for Jung Studies
- Australian Dream Network Membership Special
- Planetary Dream 1999
- Call for Papers U.K. Dream Conference
- Dream Symposium in Palo Alto, CA in February
- Clinical and Diagnostic Use of Dreams - Alan B. Siegel, Ph. D.
- News from the D.R.E.A.M.S. Foundation
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Dream School Online
- Online Freud Dream Exhibit
- Shamanic Dream Practice
- Internet Dreaming
- Online Dream Database
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DREAM CALENDAR for January 2000
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>>>> HAWAIIAN DREAMING: Adventures in a Dream Garden
Join us for extraordinary adventures in a breathtakingly
beautiful tropical garden between mountains and sea on the wild
north side of Oahu. We'll work with the elemental kingdoms, the
plant spirits and animal powers and the cleansing and healing
energies of the Pacific. We will embark on shamanic journeys to
explore the Otherworld, gain access to sources of healing and
insight in deeper dimensions of reality, and bring back gifts. In
the most challenging sessions, we will journey through the
shaman's gateway to explore what lies beyond physical death. This
is an immensely powerful experience, because when we learn to
face Death and go beyond it, we gain great courage and clarity
for the journey of life. We will visit departed loved ones and
ancestors in order to have timely and helpful communication, when
appropriate, and to learn about the transitions of spirit after
physical death. We will explore our connections with other life
experiences, and proceed through deepening meditation to a close
encounter with a personal Death. This is a challenging
experience, but there is nothing morbid about it: participants
usually leave charged with energy, with the clarity only Death
can bring. Location: Buddha-Buddha, 53-086 Halai Road, Hau'ula,
Hawaii 96717. This is a former Tibetan Buddhist retreat center,
complete with a bodhi tree, a lotus garden, sparkling ponds and a
dazzling variety of flowering trees and shrubs. Set between
mountains and sea, this comes very close to my conception of an
earthly paradise!
Accommodations: Limited accommodations are available on-site at a
modest charge. Please reserve early.PLEASE NOTE: Space at this
workshop will be strictly limited, and we expect space to fill up
fast. PLEASE RESERVE EARLY! Friday-Sunday, January 28-30, 2000,
HAU'ULA, OAHU, HAWAII
Workshop fee: $325 if paid by December 15; $400 thereafter.
Workshop fee includes gourmet meals. For information and
reservations, please contact Alice Anne Parker (808) 293-5833,
email AaparkerHH@aol.com or Athena Lou (808) 625-5574, email
louj001@hawaii.rr.com
>>>> Dream Workshop with Gina Pearlin and Amber Coverdale Sumrall
The Heart of the Dream: Discovering Your Creative Source
Jan. 19 - Feb. 23, Six Wednesdays: 7-9 PM, in Santa Cruz, CA.
$125. Learn how to understand your dream language. Discover how
dreams enhance the wellspring of creativity. Create a bridge
between waking life and dream life. We will use various
techniques including writing, drawing, dream theater, gestalt &
guided trance to open up and decipher our dream messages.
Information call Gina at: (831) 427-2957 or e-mail:
gpearlin@cruzio.com
>>>> Study Dreams on tour with the NY Center for Jung Studies
Jerusalem, The Dead Sea and Petra, Jan 3-14, 2000
Experience the mystery, magesty and spirit of Jerusalem, the Dead
Sea and the ancient Nabataean civilization of Petra. Welcome the
millennium by exploring the relationship between mysticism and
healing...Legends, myths, discussion and presentations by Aryeth
Maidenbaum, June Singer, Herny Abramovitch, David Zeller, Yoram
Bilu and more. One full evening will include "the Mystical
Tradition of Dream Interpertation" while in Western Jerusalem. 20
C. E. Credits recognized by the APA. Register by telephone or fax
New York Center for Jungian Studies (212) 689-8238
fax 212-889-7634
>>>> Australian Dream Network Membership Special!
Australian author, Jane Anderson, is celebrating the re-launch of
her new-style Dream Network site by offering discounted
memberships for all Electric Dreams subscribers who order before
31 January 2000. As a member you can read Jane's four books
online, join the members' community forum, access huge archives
and much, much more. Memberships normally at $35 US/ $55 AUD are
discounted to $26 US/ $40 AUD for
subscribers. To claim your discount, simply add "Subscriber
discount please Jane!" in the comments box on the order form. You
can also subscribe to the Dream Network's FREE monthly
newsletter, "Jane's Dream Sight", at Jane Anderson's site at:
http://www.dream.net.au .
>>>> Planetary Dream 1999
You are cordially invited to participate to the Planetary Dream
organized by the ONIROS/EASD association.It will take place
during the night of the 22nd to the 23rd of December. It fits
within the context of the Alcheringa 2000 project : Let us dream
our future and realize it ! It will be the penultimate of the 7
planetary dreams organized since 1982. It will sign the end of
the millennium and the transition to the new era...Its theme :
Death & Rebirth.For more information and to participate, you can
go to the page underneath
of the site Oniros : http://www.oniros.fr/PD99.html
>>>> Call for Papers - U.K. Dream Conference
Two Day Conference: "Dreaming" 1-2 April 2000
Venue: Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College, High
Wycombe, Bucks., U.K. Possible Topics: Dream
Landscapes;Virtuality; Visions; Nightmares; Fantasy; Consumerism;
Seduction; Dream-Narratives; Halluicnations; Nationalism;
Cryonics; Thresholds; The Dead; Pasts; Fetishism; Futures;
Stardom. Submission deadline of 300 word abstract: 21 February
2000. Contact: Dr.Stephen Speed, Dept.of Arts & Media,
Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College, Queen Alexandra
Road, High Wycombe, HP11 2JZ. E-Mail: Stephen Speed@ bucu.ac.uk
>>>>>> Dream Symposium - Palo Alto, January 2000
Northern California Society for Psychoanalytic Psychology and
Psychoanalytic Institute of Northern California Present >> The
Sixth Annual South Bay Symposium "The Use of Dreams 100 Years
Later: Four Clinical Approaches." Catered Lunch Saturday
February 12, 2000 Community Room Lucy Sern Community Center ,
1305 Middlefield Road, Palo Alto California, USA, $65.00 before
jan 15 , $75.00 after jan 15, $85.00 at door Check payable to
ncspp Judith Doty , 274 Richards Blvd , Sonoma, CA 95476-3448,
Possible CE units. Course under review
>>>>>>>Clinical and Diagnostic Use of Dreams - Alan B. Siegel,
Ph. D.
CSPP , California School of Professional Psychology
Using clasical and contemporary theoretical perspectives, this
course reaffirms the importance of dreams as a royal road to the
unconscious.
Guides are provide for utilizing dreams at each stage of therapy,
understanding transference and countertransference dreams, using
dreams with couples, children and groups, as well as using dreams
for psychological assessment and brief therapy.
Sunday January 23, 2000, 9-5pm , BOP MCEP Approval No.
CSP004-440, Intermediate Level
CSPP-CE , 2728 Hyde Street, STE #100 San Fransisco, CA
94109-1222 , 415-346-4500
Registration information at jkulbeck@mail.cspp.edu
>>>>>>>>>News from the D.R.E.A.M.S. Foundation
--> winter 2000 (worldwide), On-line courses about dreams, lucid
dreaming and how to integrate dreams practically and daily to
improve waking life.
--> 2000/3/29-31 (California): Learning Annex Evening Workshop:
Harvesting Nightmares & other DreamLand Wealth (San Francisco:
3/29, San Diego: 3/30, Los Angeles: 3/31)
--> spring 2000 (Canada), TV Radio-Canada: La Nuit Porte Conseil,
a French documentary about dreams (date to be posted on web
site).
--> 2000/7/4-8 (Washington DC), ASD Millenium Dreaming
Conference: Register for this year's association for the Study of
Dreams world conference (a wonderful event). DREAMS Foundation
staff will be presenting, and hosting an open-stage/mic dream
performance event.
--> 2000/9/7-11 (Montreal), 13th Annual Conference for the Care
of the Terminally Ill: Panel discussion on dreams and the dying,
an incredible dream video about dying and a related workshop.
You can get the D.R.E.A.M.S. Foundation newsletter by visiting
http://www.dreams.ca
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>>>> Dream School Online
The School of Metaphysics is a not-for-profit educational and
service organization which has been teaching and researching
dreams for over 25 years. Their regular website, www.som.org, has
some info on dreams and their new website , www.dreamschool.org,
deals exclusively with dreams, featuring books online about
dreams and how to interpret them, a chat room, lectures, and some
interpretation of selected dreams.
>>>> Online Freud Dream Exhibit
To celebrate the centenary of the publication of The
Interpretation of Dreams the Freud Museum in London has put
online its dream exhibition, with many photos, dreams, and
information about Freud and his work. This excellent site is at
http://www.freud.org.uk.
>>>> Learn the gifts of developing a Shaman Dream Practice with
teacher and author Kristena West. Shamanic Dreaming a one day
workshop is offered in Santa Barbara, CA on Saturday Feb. 19 and
in Los Angeles, CA. TBA.Shamanic Dream training is offered online
and off line. Contact
kristena@inspiritrixarts.com or go to web site:
http://www.inspiritrixarts.com/shamanicdream.html
for further information.
>>>> Internet Dreaming
www.internetdreaming.com
Offers dream interpretation online by counselling psychologist Dr
Alison Talbot.
>>>> Online Dream Database
http://www.twisk.com/
Since I was about 14, I've been writing down my dreams once in a
while, because I noticed they can be quite spectacular. I started
reading some books and got to know about lucid dreaming for the
first time, thanks to Patricia Garfield's 'Creative Dreaming'.
Although I was very excited about lucid dreaming, I never really
practised the techniques from that book, until about a year and a
half ago. From then -with a notepad and pen next to my bed- I
decided to write down all of my dreams and type them in a
database on my computer afterwards. Thanks to this practise, my
dream memory improved a great deal (there are about 900 records
in the database by now), I got some lucid dreams and it was fun
to be able to search the database for certain topics,
emotions,people, Then I got the idea of putting a dream-database
like my own on the internet, not only with my dreams in it, but
with the ability for everyone to add theirs. It should also be
possible to search for phrases, browse submissions by date, view
dreams of a specific person, narrow down search results to lucid
dreams only ...So I locked myself up for half a week and coded
what's at www.twisk.com now.
Kind regards,
Kelse.
>>>> D.R.E.A.M.S. Foundation Web Site update
New programs, resources, classes and more from the The
D.R.E.A.M.S. Foundation (Dream Research and Experimental
Approaches to the Mechanisms of Sleep) which is a registered
non-profit organization operating in collaboration with the Dream
and Nightmare Research Laboratory at Montreal's Sacr-Coeur
Hospital.
http://www.dreams.ca
or
http://www.crhsc.umontreal.ca/dreamsfoundation/
>>>> The Dream Vortex, maintained by Nicole J. LeBoeuf
"This is where we come to dream..." Features a Perl-driven,
interactive page where you can submit your dream or interpret
someone else's. Also includes tips on keeping a journal, methods
of interpretation, suggestions for dreamplay, and a few of the
author's own illustrated dreams. "...Here our dreams interact."
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/7728/Vortex/
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January 2000
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Jan 3-14, Jerusalem, Israel
Dreams on tour with the NY Center for Jung Studies. 20 C. E.
Credits recognized by the APA. Cost: $2,795.00 deposit due by
july 16th
Register by telephone or fax New York Center for Jungian Studies
(212) 689-8238 fax 212-889-7634
Jan 15, 2000 Online
Electric Dreams Mutual Dream Target: Pikes Peak!
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams/pikespeak.jpg
Jan 23, 2000 - Berkeley, CA
Sermon with Jeremy Taylor, 10:30am at Berkeley Fellowship of
Unitarians. Contact: Fran at 510.652.7188 or visit the website at
www.jeremytaylor.com
Jan 23, in San Francisco
Clinical and Diagnostic Use of Dreams - Alan B. Siegel, Ph. D.
California School of Professional Psychology 415-346-4500
Registration information at jkulbeck@mail.cspp.edu
Jan 28-30 - Rowe, MA
Workshop with Jeremy Taylor at Rowe Conference Center. Contact:
Doug at 413.339.4468
Jan 28-30 in Hau'ula, Oahu, Hawaii
Hawaiian Dreaming workshop with Robert Moss. For information and
reservations, please contact Alice Anne Parker (808) 293-5833,
email AaparkerHH@aol.com or Athena Lou (808) 625-5574, email
louj001@hawaii.rr.com
Jan 31 in Berkeley, CA
Starr King Dreams Class with Jeremy Taylor (open to GTU students
only), 7:10-9:40pm for 14 weeks. Info: 510.845.6232
Feb 12 in Palo Alto, CA
Dream Symposium "The Use of Dreams 100 Years Later: four
clinical Approaches"
Community Room Lucy Sern Community Center. See info in News
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-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n198 --------------
001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n197
002 - Anonymous - Almost the same as another one
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n198.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n197
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:29:40 EST
dog drm-peace had lain to the right of the coupling if you had
avoided becoming "had been"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n198.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Almost the same as another one
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:30:06 -0800
Dream Title
Date of Dream 11/28/99 @ roughly 7-12 a.m. Dream Last night i had
a dream that my family and i went back to our old house that we
were kicked out of and it had been turned into a fraternity type
of building. and there was this one guy there who for some reason
or another i hated him, and his friend was this guy who in the
dream i liked, well i pushed the guys face who i didn't like
into this cake that was on a table and he got stuck in it.
Meanwhile me and my sister ran away scared as if he was gonna
hurt us, we ran up stairs and into this closet that only we knew
was there because we had lived there. And we then grabbed a pole
and started to stick it through the guy we thought was our
friend, and he was imortal, then the other guy (who we had stuck
into the cake) came up and told us he had a weak spot, for some
reason, we decided to push the stick into his crotch and he
dissinagrated. Comments by Dreamer I've had a dream like this two
nights ago, except i was woken in the middle of it, and i was
about to die anyhow. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n198 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n199 --------------
001 - Anonymous - Millinium Dream
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n199.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Millinium Dream
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:30:18 -0800
Dream Title Millinium Dream
Date of Dream 11/27/99 Dream I dream of the devil coming to get
his wife named Christine who was chosen to bare his child,And no
one can protect her.The devil is like a shape shifter in the
dream and takes human form and changes before midnight and has
to have his choosen wife bare his child before midnight on New
years Eve or he goes back to Hell.And the world survices his fate
of distruction. Comments by Dreamer I also dream of war between
god and the devil after the Revelation.And that I'm around to
help stop the end of the world.What does this mean Permission to
Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments u have permission
to use my dreams on-line.
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n199 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n200 --------------
001 - AngstRidn - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n199
002 - AngstRidn - Coincidence?
003 - Anonymous - Hotel room
004 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n198,199
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n200.1 ---------------
From: AngstRidn
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n199
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:34:27 EST
In a message dated 11/30/99 2:53:07 AM Central Standard Time,
dream-flow-errors@lists.best.com writes:
<< Dream Title Millinium Dream Date of Dream 11/27/99 Dream I
dream of the devil coming to get his wife named Christine who was
chosen to bare his child,And no one can protect her.The devil is
like a shape shifter in the dream and takes human form and
changes before midnight and has to have his choosen wife bare
his child before midnight on New years Eve or he goes back to
Hell.And the world survices his fate of distruction. Comments
by Dreamer I also dream of war between god and the devil after
the Revelation.And that I'm around to help stop the end of the
world.What does this mean Permission to Comment
yes_share_comments Permission Comments u have permission to use
my dreams on-line. >>
Dear dreamer: You haven't seen the movie END OF DAYS have you?
It's the exact same premise, with the exact same name of the
devil's wife.
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n200.2 ---------------
From: AngstRidn
Subject: Coincidence?
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:21:49 EST
The dream is from 11/25/99. The excerpt of a conversation I had
with my sister is from 11/28/99. How eerie was that? DREAM
11/25/99 I was at the home of Katherine Chancellor (Jeanne
Cooper/YR) along with three other guests. We were discussing
how one of us (me) should get married and be wearing a wedding
dress when this particular bachelor came to visit. At the time
of our discussion, some of my relatives, my mother s nieces,
had stolen into the house and were listening to us. They
decided to crash the party and show up in wedding dresses also.
In the meantime, my Aunt Jackie, their mother, had died (at
Mrs. Chancellor s house) and we had her casket in the house.
About the time the party was to take place (which of course was
cancelled), her kids sneaked back into the house. Through some
frosted/etched french doors, I saw them come up the stairs, one
of them wearing a wedding dress. They saw I wasn t wearing
one and thought all the better for them . LIttle did they
know their mother had died. Mrs. Chancellor and all of her
guests (myself included), went back into the room with aunt
Jackie. As I walked past her closed casket, I felt no sadness
due to her death. She had done/said something mean before she
died and I just had no sympathy for her. Then suddenly, my
cousins barged in. I felt bad for Laura, the oldest, whom we
had to tell that her mother was dead. Of course, nobody
believed us until we showed them the body. They immediately
took the casket and had it put in the car and they all left. Now
that Mrs. Chancellor s room was cleared, I looked around. It
must be a bedroom, I think to myself. There was a cutout in the
wall, where I imagine the headboard of the bed would go. It
would make a nice hiding place.
(11/25/99) Celebs/F&F
EXCERPT OF A CONVERSATION WITH MY SISTER 11/28/99 I was on
the phone with my sister and we had all but finished talking
when, out of the blue, she asked, "Do you know if aunt Jackie is
dead yet?" I nearly dropped the phone, then regaled her with
my dream. I asked her why she would phrase her question that
way and she said she didn't know, it just 'came out'.
Nutcracker
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n200.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Hotel room
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:32:56 -0800
Dream Title Hotel room Zylio
Date of Dream 20th Nov. 4:35 P.M Dream In my dream it was me and
my boy friend in a sunny hotel room lying in bed next to a very
big window. I was on top of him naked feeling every part of his
warm body next to mine. His hard, strong penus was inside of me
filling me with passion all along the dream Comments by Dreamer
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n200.4 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n198,199
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:59:50 EST
#198 almost drm-peace had lain to the right of the house if you
had avoided becoming "turned into" #199 millennium drm-peace had
lain to the right of the child if you had avoided becoming "can
protect"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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001 - Anonymous - Chock full of meening.
002 - Anonymous - Neon-lakes
003 - Anonymous - Car Wreck
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n201.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Chock full of meening.
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:34:48 -0800
The fist part of the dream was I was painting with some
friends(not sure who). The colour of the paint was a light blue.
There were some holes in the wall and I painted inside the
holes. Inside 2 of the holes was a spider. Both were black I
think 1 was fat and the other thin.I stepped back from the wall
I was painting and bumpped into my aunty. I said sorry to my
aunty and then I was on a river. The river was brown. I was
floating down the river with my girlfriend on a square wodden
raft. On the side of the river was a huge snake whos head and
part of its body were standing up out of the water the snake was
green. On the bank next to the snake was an elephant. The snake
was as high as the elephant even though it only had part of its
body out of the water. The snake and the elephant were fighting.
The elephant using its trunk and the snake rapping itself around
the elephants trunk. The dream then zoomed in to show the snake
rapped around the elephants trunk. At this point the e! !
lephant had 2 trunks and it used the 2nd trunk to grap the snake
and cast it into the water. The next thing that happened was
that there was a lion cub in the water and a crocodile attacked
the lion cub injuring it. The cub then escaped out of the water
but it had been wounded. The next thing that happened was that
my girlfriend and I were falling(I seemed to be falling past
levels) and I could see my daughter but she was a teenager(she is
only 6 months old now). She had long black hair.That is the most
distinctive thing that I remember about her. We then died from
the fall and then found ourselves in a dark tunnel.It was not
Hell but it was a place in between heaven and hell(I think that
it is called Hades not sure), the place was very black and dark.
There was a skeleton that walked passed us and some ghosts (they
might have been fat not sure)also walked passed us. We walked
down the tunnel and came to a junction were the tunnel continued
on the other side of a small room. T! ! here were some people
there and a man that worked there.The man had a clipboard and
had black hair a goatee and a mustache. He was serving someone
who was asking to go back to life. The man said ok and the other
person disapered. I then asked the man if my girlfriend and I
could go back because we had a daughter to look after, after I
asked him some other men said that they were there before me, I
said that I was there first and then they said that that I was
only there for a few minutes. Suddenly something happened and
metal gates with spikes on the bottem of them started coming
down in the tunnels to stop people from going anywere. The man
who worked there grabbed my hand and I grabed my girlfriends
hand and we started running down the tunnel. Because he worked
there he knew secret ways passed the gates. The next thing that
happened was that I was a slave and my girlfriend was a blonde
headed weastern women(my girlfriend has black hair and is
Japanese) and we were on a slave! ! ship. My girlfriend was not
a slave though. The ship was an old wodden ship that had slaves
that rowed it. My girlfriend walked into the room and wrote the
word color and the letter u on the wall in yellow. She wrote the
word with a yellow knife. My girlfriend then gave me the knife
and I gave a nail to another slave because we were going to
revolt(I didnt see my girlfriend anymore after she gave me the
knife). As the ship came into dock there were thousands of
people waiting for the ship to arrive. The ship was a trade ship
that traded in meat and other things. The trade ship had not had
a good time trading and had not managed to get many goods. We
then started the revolt only to have knights on hoarses(I think
the hoarses were brown and the knights might have had maces)
come against us. The knights had blue on them and I think that
there helmets were in the shape of goats heads. I got the
feeling that the knights were evil. We were losing the revolt but
we had an old cannon! ! (one of those cannons that you have to
fire by lighting a fuse) that we decided to use. We put 3 small
metal balls into the cannon and opened the door and fired. The
cannon fire missed the knights and instead went straight and
killed a king and a queen that were on the balcony of a castle.
The king and queen were dressed in yellow. Because the king and
queen were dead some soldiers came to our rescue. They were on
foot and dressed in yellow. They had long pikes that they
defeated the knights with. I was then on a school camp with 3
friends. We were either flying or on a river and we were going
through a valley that had a river at the bottem of it. We were
at the top of the valley so we could see really far. The place
was really beatiful. There were many trees. We then continued on
and we went passed a cliff that had a few small buildings on it.
They might have been white. One of us said that, that would be a
good place to base jump. I then found myself in a hollow tree
trunk. ! ! I was sitting at the back of it and then some birds
flew into the tree trunk and then started eating something.
There were 3-5 birds and they were either black or white(I think
black) and they had yellow tails. The birds finished eating and
then flew out of the trunk and away. My friends and I then
arrived at the school camp. There were already other schools
there. We put our bags down and my friends ran down into the
bushes. I sat down on a white plastic chair and looked down to
see a big hole in the ground and at the bottem there was a small
river or creek. There were some people from another school at
the bottem and a girl started to argue with me. I think that she
was saying that it is no good to be poor, and I asked what was
wrong with being poor. I was then in a race with other people
from at the camp. We were all covered in mud and had to run down
our indivdual lanes kicking a soccer ball. I kicked my ball as
hard as I could and then ran after it, while the other people!
! kicked there balls little bit by little bit. I then woke up :)
Thank for reading my dream. This dream is really troubling me as
I can not get it out of my head. Any help that anyone can give
me on this dream would be most welcome. I have since started
reading books on dreams but I dont seem to be getting anywhere
with the dream. I know this dream is very important and has alot
of meaning but I just cant work out the meaning.
>From Sean Comments by Dreamer I need help with this dream.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments
Please email me if you are going to use this dream or if it gets
published. Seanmudie@hotmail.com I would also like my name and
email address put on the dream to get further comment from
readers.
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n201.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Neon-lakes
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:20:07 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n201.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Car Wreck
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:29:07 -0800
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n201 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n202 --------------
001 - Anonymous - Maryjo Madness
002 - Anonymous - fantasy games
003 - Anonymous - Being Love-dreaminb
004 - Anonymous - Reader's Restaurant
005 - Anonymous - Confused
006 - Anonymous - Trip to the Desert
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n202.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Maryjo Madness
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:42:07 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n202.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: fantasy games
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:57:33 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n202.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Being Love-dreaminb
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:42:50 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n202.4 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Reader's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:45:55 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n202.5 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Confused
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:19:26 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n202.6 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Trip to the Desert
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:28:36 -0800
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n202 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n203 --------------
001 - Anonymous - Connected From Lilyah
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n203.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Connected From Lilyah
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:04:50 -0800
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n203 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n204 --------------
001 - Anonymous - I dream about my husband's ex-wife
002 - Anonymous - The Future of Dreaming
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n204.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: I dream about my husband's ex-wife
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:18:39 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n204.2 ---------------
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n204 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n205 --------------
001 - Anonymous - "bed" room
002 - Anonymous - ciehan
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n205.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: "bed" room
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 14:50:22 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n205.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: ciehan
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 09:09:08 -0800
12/08/99 2:00 am 12/9/99
Dream I was walking with my mother in her neighborhood (can't
remember where we were going) As we walked through a neighbors
yard there were all kinds of snakes. One snake started to chase
me. The snake was large and black AND had a head on both ends
(no tail). As it was about to attack (I quess) I woke up. I woke
up about 2:20am 12-9-99 Comments by Dreamer What does this mean?
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Is
it possible for you to e-mail the answer as I don't have a lot
of access to the web. cciehanoski@nacscorp.com
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n205 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n206 --------------
001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n205
002 - Anonymous - The Brown Cow in the empty room with one
closed door.
003 - Anonymous - death of son
004 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n204 the future
005 - Anonymous - THe devil
006 - Anonymous - Flying In Stages
007 - Anonymous - Soul mate
008 - Anonymous - Getting in Tune
009 - Anonymous - What does a dream with helicopters signify?
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n205
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:40:10 EST
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
<http://www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/>
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Brown Cow in the empty room with one closed door.
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:41:52 -0800
Suddenly I found myself alone in the room with a large, rather
skinny brown cow. I was unsure of the cow's intentions. She
appeared to want something. I wanted to leave the room before
she tossed me but the only door was closed. She seemed not to
want to harm me but also seemed unsure of my intentions.
Comments by Dreamer Six months ago I saw a beautiful girl but
never introduced myself or spoke to her. Last Saturday I saw her
again and took the opportunity to speak to her. I was very
impressed by her subsequent reactions and felt that we both
loved each other. I have not seen her again or taken any serious
steps to try to contact her. I think of her constantly.
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: death of son
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:42:38 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.4 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n204 the future
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:59:09 EST
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.5 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: THe devil
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:05:20 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.6 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Flying In Stages
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:11:44 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.7 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Soul mate
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:15:53 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.8 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Getting in Tune
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:35:55 -0800
Getting in Tune, by dreambat December 10, 1999 I return to a
house where two women were playing folk songs on guitars. They
encouraged me to get my guitar an play with them. I was very shy
about doing so, but the girl with glasses and brown hair said
the words are different, but all the songs are ones I already
know. So I return. Her friend, a college aged blonde woman is
gone. I begin to tune up and can't find my tuner. I ask for
hers, she doesn't have one, so I tune to her guitar. There is a
lot of stuff internally that happens in next few seconds, all
around tuning the guitars. Whose guitar is closer to true pitch?
Am in in tune and she doesn't realize it? Am I out of tune and
will never get in tune as her ear is so much more refined?
(Getting in tune is never perfect, there are degrees of
tolerance and each individual has different levels of
tolerance). At one point she continually plucks a B or G note
and I think she thinks I'm still not in tune. I adjust, but it
seems fine to me. Suddenly fireworks are going off and people
are all around. Her friend has returned and is jumping up in the
air with everyone else and dancing. We ask what is going on. She
says that New Years is only a few hours away, and everyone is
practicing. Didn't we get the word? I think its kind of silly,
but funny. I think to myself in the dream about how this might
be a way of reducing the performance anxiety for the real event
and turn of the millennium. end
alternative title: "playing along"
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n206.9 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: What does a dream with helicopters signify?
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:53:00 -0800
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n206 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n207 --------------
001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n206
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n207.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n206
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:12:38 EST
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n207 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n208 --------------
001 - Anonymous - Hare,Crow and Cow
002 - Anonymous - chased Heather
003 - Anonymous - help
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n208.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Hare,Crow and Cow
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:40:49 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n208.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: chased Heather
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:10:28 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n208.3 ---------------
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n208 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n209 --------------
001 - Anonymous - Confused
002 - Anonymous - Kissing my Boss; Tiggrrrrr
003 - Anonymous - lotto friend
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n209.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Confused
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:28:16 -0800
Dream Title Confused
Date of Dream December 13, 1999 Dream I was dreaming last night
about roses. White ones, I believe there were also pink and
beige ones. Lots of them. I can't tell if I was outside or in a
big room. They were all wrapped, like a dozen in white paper.
They were everywhere. When I woke up this morning my favorite
radio station had a phychic on the air and today she talked
about ingrediants/mixtures containing rose petals. Comments by
Dreamer What does all of this mean? I am in a relationship with
someone who has recently hurt me deeply. Does this have anything
to do with this. For along time I have been able to see things,
know things, predict things. And Friday night, the day before the
dream I had a feeling and I went to investigate and I was right,
I did find something. I very confused right now, PLEASE
HELP!!!!! Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n209.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Kissing my Boss; Tiggrrrrr
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:59:10 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n209.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: lotto friend
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:41:23 -0800
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n209 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n210 --------------
001 - Anonymous - LEG SORES
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n210.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: LEG SORES
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:37:14 -0800
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n210 ---------------
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001 - Anonymous - Julie
002 - Anonymous - cheshire wolves
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n211.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Julie
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:01:42 -0800
Dream Title Julie
Date of Dream Fri/Dec,17(that night)
I have non-stop nightmares, but last night I had a very
disburbing one. This isn't a joke and please don't laugh. I can
only say what I remember, but I was outside(where we used to
live) and I heard some people wispering. I knew somehow they
were vampires(please don't laugh I'm serious). They were
taunting me and I acted tough and said they didn't scare me.
They threatened me and I said i dared them to try to hurt me. I
knew they couldn't or I wanted to be tough. The next thing I
remember was sleeping in the dream and a vampire woke me and I
was scared, he had gotten inside my house. The next part I'd
rather leave out details b/c for one I'd rather not remember,
but basically he raped me. But I had tried to kill him and I was
powerless I tried garlic and I had a pencil nearby and I stuck it
through his heart, but he wouldn't die. Next thing I remember is
waking and remembering and i was a vampire and I couldn't tell
anyone, but I told one of my best fr! ! iends by hints, i was
with 3 of the vamps and we droe through a winn-dixie and almost
got arrested, which didn't matter too much. The thing about
these vampires you couldn't taste food or drinks, they didn't
even know what to do witha can of soda, all they knew was
drinking blood, I was upset b/c I wanted a soda I wanted to
taste it, but I couldn't. There were other odd things they
couldn't do. Then I realized that if vampires were real then
there actually was a God, and I cried b/c I knew it was too late
if I was a vampire I was on the devils side and I'd never be
with god. I'm sure I've left some parts of this nightmare out.
Comments by Dreamer I know that dreams have meaning we can't
figure out ourselves, but I'd really like to know if you can get
anything out of this dream. Please write me at
phantasy111@yahoo.com if you learn anything
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n211.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: cheshire wolves
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 14:09:08 -0800
Dream Title cheshire wolves Mermaid
Date of Dream sunday 19th december 4am Dream The heads of wolves
were in the sky above the woods - night sky but each of the
three was surrounded by its own light. They formed an arch. They
had their teeth bared at something behind me. I wasn't scared of
them; just uneasy and unsure why they Comments by Dreamer the
woods were those at my father's country place; the same ones in
which the family dog was buried during the week Permission to
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--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n211 ---------------
--------------- MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n212.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 14:09:08 -0800
Subject: Who is this?--Kindrah
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:01:08 -0800
Dream Title Who is this?--Kindrah
Date of Dream since September
Dream Starting in September, there has been this certain person
in almost every dream I have. I have never met nor seen anyone
like him before. He has a distinct personality in my dreams. I
don't know his name; the only names he has given me are
"Atrick"(like Patrick), and "Cha-Cha Urbine"(like Ur-bean). Those
names have never surfaced in any other dreams. I gave him
the name "Joey." Although I have never actually said that name
out loud in my dreams, he responds to it. We seem to have some
sort of link. In my dreams, I feel very connected to him, like a
best friend, and if anxious situations in my dreams arise, he
calms me down and comforts me, just by being there. I'm not sure
why he's there, and I'd like to know exactly what he is.
Comments by Dreamer
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