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++ Editor's Notes
++ Dream Airing: Notes, letters to the editor
++ Column: Dream Trek: Matching Nightmares With Appropriate Action
by Linda Lane Magalln
++ Electric Dreams Interviews Rita Abrams
by Lars Spivock
++ASD Bulletin Board - Home to the Dream Titans!
by Richard Wilkerson
++ Dreaming in the Millenium
by Lars Spivock
++ So You Want a Career in the Field of Dreams?
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Editor's Notes
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Welcome to Electric Dreams, the voice of the dreaming in Cyberspace. This voice is a multiple
and speaks this month from many sources:
What causes nightmares? Are they about unresolved dark material in the unconscious, are they
about life tasks we are fleeing, are they just something that happens to sensitive people or was it
the pizza we had for dinner? Linda Magallon explores some of the current thinking in this area
and attempts to expand on the multiplicity of levels involved.
Dream inspired artist Rita Abrams has found a wealth of ideas and wisdom by watching her
dreams. In an interview by Lars Spivock, Rita reveals some of these inspiring dreams and how
they have influenced not only her Emmy award winning productions, but her personal life as well.
Be sure to read the "Interviews Rita Abrams" where she reminds us of the value of paying
attention to our dreams.
Lars Spivock continues to expand on the value and use of dreams in a special article on finding
wisdom in dreams for the year 2000. From how to recall and catch your dream to catching and
harnessing the significant symbols, Lars lead you on both a personal and collective experience in
"Dreaming in the Millennium".
Speaking of dream attention, if you have questions about dreams and dreaming, the Association
for the Study of Dreams has an ongoing 24hr bulletin board. Read about the dream titans that visit
there and learn about the new host Jean Campbell.
If you find the dream movement exciting and would like to spend your life exploring and
researching dreams, but haven't a clue as how to start, you will want to read my "So You Want a
Career in the Field of Dreams?" article. This starter article will give you an idea of how a lot of
other people got into the field of dreams and what is involved.
Whether you would like a regional dream workshop, and international conference or a dream get-
away in Bermuda, The Global Dreaming News has the scoop for you. Peggy Coats has an
international network of the best online and offline events in dreams. And if you have news to
share, send it to Peggy at pcoats@dreamtree.com
If you haven't stopped by the DreamTree ( http://www.dreamtree.com ) lately you may be in for
a big surprise. Not only is the site graphically a delight to visit, but you will find new forums for
discussion of dreams, a delightful Bay Area Dreamworkers Group Forum and many other new
delights. If you are in any way interested in the dream movement, this site is not to be missed!
And if you have news to share, send it to Peggy at pcoats@dreamtree.com
And finally, our dreams. These dream come from all parts of the world to Electric Dreams and we
publish them along with comments, just as literature and critical theory are published as valid
texts. Bob Krumhansl has a editorial for you and has organized this months dreams and
comments into easily understandable categories. Be sure to read the DREAM section.
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Dream Airing
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are somewhat cautious of peoples boundaries, but dreams are not. They play with everything,
everyone and continually move into every imaginal crack they can find. The overflowing of
boundaries continues with dream sharing between people, and now continues through
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It's Only a Dream: songs of the collective unconscious.
From the inside cover: New York Songwriters Document Their Dreams. From the beginning of
time artists have mined their dreams for inspiration. For this album collection, inspired by the
dream-comics of artist Rich Veitch, ten New York area songwriters were asked to submit a work
based on an actual dream experience.
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DREAM TREK
By Linda Lane Magall¢n
Matching Nightmares With Appropriate Action
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A recent "20/20 " TV broadcast featured dreamworker and radio host Kathleen Sullivan.
Kathleen, who is the author of *Recurring Dreams,* described her dream of an eagle caught in a
web. She interpreted her dream eagle as a symbol for herself, caught in the web of alcoholic
addiction. She was able to use that insight to change her life, to stop drinking and, as a result, her
recurring dreams disappeared.
On the same program, another dreamworker, Gillian Holloway, spoke with four people who were
suffering from recurring nightmares. Like Kathleen, she used symbolic interpretation in an attempt
to match dream content with current life. Afterwards, two of the people interviewed felt that the
use of metaphor and pun unlocked their dreams' meaning and revealed helpful information. But
the other two weren't so convinced.
That symbols reflect current life is only one possible meaning for dreams. And to pinpoint the
"meaning " of nightmares doesn't necessarily settle upset feelings and emotions. Even those
dreamworkers who usually take a passive approach to dreams will agree that a nightmare is cause
for action. Some examples of behavioral dreamwork techniques are: re-entry dreamwork, Senoi
and lucid dreaming.
Furthermore, to focus solely on 'symbolic interpretation' can miss the literal cause of the trauma.
Just as with any type of dream, each possible stimulus for nightmare must be considered in order
to match it with the appropriate action. When dreams are multi-layered, several methods might be
used in conjunction.
Here are several possible explanations for nightmares and suggested responses:
1. A metaphor for current life attitudes and activities. When you change your life, the dream
changes. For example: you quit a job with a demanding boss and your chase dreams cease.
2. A metaphor for a bio-chemical glitch or surge. For example: You dream of your own body's
dismemberment, as the pictorial equivalent of intrusive thoughts. Because this sort of nightmare is
the result of the mind-body system not functioning at optimum (and expressing mental or physical
illness instead), it can require physiological intervention such as diet or drug therapy. Conversely,
drugs and normal hormonal changes can trigger it. For example: you dream of tidal flooding just
prior to your menstrual period. A light touch of behavioral dreamwork techniques can shift
content to a more positive metaphor to describe the sensation.
3. A psychic copycat of a current situation. For example: your sister has repeating nightmares.
You "dream her dreams " because you are in psychic resonance with her. Your dreams end when
hers do. Or they cease when you break the psychic bond with her, using cleansing or cutting
rituals.
4. A repetition of a past traumatic event in current lifetime. For example: you dream of your
recent rape, a childhood assault or your wartime battle. This type of nightmare is so deeply etched
in the psyche that it can require heavy use of behavioral dreamwork techniques to modify the
content and emotional intensity.
5. A depiction of a past or probable life. For example: you dream the last events prior to your
violent death. A request for new information may provide additional dreams to shed light on the
events surrounding this nightmarish experience. Treatment involves the sort of behavior
modification techniques used for traumatic nightmares.
6. A depiction of the future. Confirmation occurs either when the dream comes true or when you
change your life so it won't come true. For example: you repair your car brakes so you won't
literally slide off the highway, as you keep doing in your dreams.
Methods that determine meaning plus techniques that modify behavior comprise the full tool set
to resolve a nightmare, recurring or not. But selecting the appropriate tool depends on what is
actually stimulating the nightmare to occur. There is no one-size-fits-all tool for nightmare work.
So, don't rely on that first hammer you bought, when what you really need is a crowbar or a
monkey wrench.
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Comments on "Matching Nightmares With Appropriate Action"
I would like to conjecture that there is another category, incubated nightmares. As gruesome and
self-abusive as this may sound at first, I would like to suggest that there is always a risk of a
situation getting out of control when we allow otherness to exist. That is, when we step out of the
world we are used to, the one we control by force of will and habit to explore new realms, there is
always the chance of encountering a nightmare of sorts. We go to a night club that gets raided,
we go on a date with person who turns out to be nuts, we confront a litterbug in the
neighborhood who goes off on us, we get involved with an activist group that has too radical an
element, and so on. Each of these are potential growth situations that backfire and turn into
nightmares. In this sense, nightmares can be part of the game of life.
Also, again in the service of growth and curiosity, we may begin to seek out nightmares. In
bodywork, in psychology and in many spiritual disciplines, there is a technique of moving into the
pain. The process is usually quite complex and involves much trust and having a surround of
social and personal containers that are able to handle and support the exploration.
Are nightmares something to just get rid of, or can we develop a wider array of responses and
relationships with this kind of dream?
-Richard Wilkerson
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Electric Dreams Interviews Rita Abrams
by Lars Spivock
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http://www.dreamgate.com/lars/interviews/rita05.htm
Rita Abrams is the composer of the international hit pop single "Mill Valley," and winner of
numerous awards including two Emmys. Abrams and Stan Sinberg created For Whom The Bridge
Tolls, an original musical-comedy revue that has played in the San Francisco Bay Area for four
years, and is due to re-open in San Francisco in May 1999.
We were having lunch in an Italian restaurant in Mill Valley, California. The rain stopped and the
sun shone on the blue inlet. Through the dangling willow branches boats meandered by Mt.
Tamalpais. With me was Rita Abrams, talented composer, lyricist, producer, greeting card writer,
product namer, author, singer, humorist, copywriter and as I was about to learn, dreamer.
Electric Dreams: Welcome to cyberspace, Rita. Thanks for coming. I already know you
sometimes have dreams that have special meaning for you. Please tell us about one.
Rita Abrams: The first one that comes to mind is one where there is this very witty woman in a
bus and she is saying all these brilliant things and they are just flying off her tongue. And I think to
myself, "I wish I could be that smart." And when I woke up I thought, "isn't that hilarious? I was
that smart, everything in the dream was coming out of my brain." And in the dream I envied this
woman for her intelligence. And it was me! [laughing] I thought that was quite wonderful.
ED: Great, that's a classic. Any other particularly memorable dreams?
RA: I once read that the Gestalt school believes that whatever you dream is an aspect of you. At
that time I had a dream that I am riding in my mother's white-red Chevy Impala convertible.
Someone later said "be the convertible." I said, "I'm open ... unprotected, and anyone can ride me
and use me however they want to. And nobody appreciates it." It was absolutely me.
ED: Have you ever had a precognitive dream?
RA: I had one very powerful experience in which one night I dreamt that my house was being
robbed. I was living alone at the time in a house in the woods. And it was such a powerful dream
that I awoke and went upstairs to see if my television and stereo were still there. And then I went
back to sleep. It was just a dream.
The next night I came in; it was 3 am, I was getting ready for bed, I looked at my window, and it
had been forced open. And I went upstairs and called the police thinking that the person might
still be around; the police came and said "where's your television and your stereo?" And I started
screaming "you won't believe this, you won't believe this -- this is exactly what I dreamed last
night!" And he looked at me as if to say [sarcastically] "Yeah right lady, right." But it was a very
amazing predictive dream.
ED: I'd like to ask you a little more about the brilliant lady in the bus dream. Can you tell me what
your perspective was and where she was and what she looked like?
RA: I just now remembered what she said. This is a whole other element of it. The bus driver was
kind of putting me down or being bossy and she shouted to me "why are you so willing to be
talked at?" And I thought "oh my God." Isn't that brilliant? I never would have thought of that
consciously. And that's when I said, "wow I wish I were that smart." That I could say something
like that, that fast. And of course it was very true.
ED: Can you tell me about the driver's or lady's clothing or complexion? Or was the focus of the
dream more on the dialogue and less on the visuals.
RA: Dialogue, yeah.
ED: Is that typical for your dreams?
RA: Definitely much more verbal that visual when I think about it now.
ED: Do you ever hear music in your dreams?
RA: Yeah, a lot. And I'll write things in my dreams -- funny things, good things. And I'll wake up
with the solution to some kind of creative problem.
ED: How do your dreams help you with your creativity as a songwriter?
RA: Sometimes my dreams will give me a song title. I'll wake up in the morning with a song title
which I'll then write a song about. One example of that was waking up and hearing the phrase
from my dream which was "On the phone again" sung to the melody of Willie Nelson's "On the
Road Again." So just like that it came to me and I called Elmo and I said we have to write the
song "On the Phone Again." We wrote a whole very funny song about this woman yakking on the
phone.
ED: What else do your dreams give you?
RA: Sometimes dreams will give me titles, other times dreams will give me both the titles and the
melodies and a little bit of the lyrics like the chorus. The ones I've come up with that way in
dreams are pretty funny and maybe not even usable. Like there was when I woke up singing this
song about a rattletrap Ford which I've never used for anything and I don't know what prompted
me to do that or to dream that.
I've been collaborating on a new show called New Wrinkles and I'm one of the songwriter-lyricists
There's another songwriter who's writing the other half of the tunes. And occasionally we critique
each other's music. And so I have awakened sometimes having dreamed corrections to his lyrics
and knowing that this would be better, sound a little bit smoother than the ones he wrote.
So I've been going to him with some of those. He's been very gracious about accepting my edits
and my additions to his songs. And that has happened in dreams. So those are the ways in which
dreams have added directly to my creative life and even my work.
One song that started with a dream was "Blame It on El Nis web site [to the tune of "Blame It on
the Bossa Nova"].
RA: I wrote that with Stan Sinberg for For Whom the Bridge Tolls which ran for four years in
Marin and is opening in San Francisco in May [1999].
ED: In what other ways have dreams communicated with you?
RA: My dreams have instructed me, and told me when to get out of relationships very, very
clearly. It took me months to follow them but the truth of a bad relationship always appears first
to me in a dream.
ED: Hmm, [cautiously] an example?
RA: I was dating this one guy who was not very sensitive but he had other qualities. He hadn't
met my daughter yet. A little bit reluctantly I made a dinner plan for my daughter and him to
meet. The night before we went out to dinner, I had a dream that we were eating and he said
something really critical to me and she fell into my arms sobbing. And I said "it's over." And that
was the dream.
The next night we went out to dinner and we sat down to eat and he starts criticizing her table
manners and she starts crying. But I didn't say "it's over." It took me months more to process that.
I am enthralled with the power of the subconscious and would like to learn more about it.
ED: Is there anything you would like to say to our readers?
RA: Pay attention to your dreams. I am being reminded to do that more by telling you about my
dreams.
ED: Many of our readers are expert at all aspects of dreamwork. Would you like to ask them
anything?
Rita Abrams: How do you get your dreams to speak to you? How can I be more active with my
dreams to answer questions or solve things?
Electric Dreams: I'm sure they will enjoy answering you via rita@dreamgate.com. It's been a
pleasure talking with you and I wish everyone could have heard your beautifully expressive voice.
For Whom the Bridge Tolls
The four-year hit musical comedy revue that lampoons life around the S.F. Bay area seen through
the wits of songwriter Rita Abrams, and humor columnist/radio commentator Stan Sinberg.
Re-opens May 6, 1999
The Plush Room in San Francisco
800-758-7495
New Wrinkles
A hilarious, provocative musical comedy revue about the coming of middle-age. If you have to
get old, you might as well do it laughing [Rita wrote half the songs for this one].
April 9-May 9, 1999
Playhouse West in Walnut Creek
925-942-0300
Lars Spivock is an international technology consultant and an original member of the DreamGate
team. He has been a lucid dreamer since early childhood. He freelances for The Wisdom Channel,
Electric Dreams, and America Online's Alternative Medicine Forum. Lars has contributed to
outreach and education projects for the Intuition Network, Institute of Noetic Sciences,
Association for the Study of Dreams, Bay Area Dreamworkers, and the Dream Library and
Archive.
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ASD Bulletin Board - Home to the Dream Titans!
-by Richard Wilkerson
Jean Campbell, Linda Magallon, Ernest Hartmann, Robert Moss, Robert Van de Castle, Alan
Siegel and more....
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The Bulletin Board for the Association for the Study of Dreams was conceived and brought to
live by Jayne Gackenbach in 1995 in a whirlwind of controversy and has maintained a steady flow
of information and discussion for nearly five years. The board has had many hosts and has plans
to bring on some real giants in dreams and dreaming for the 21st Century.
The only drawback, (or its shining glory to some) is that the meaning of actual dreams cannot be
discussed. But even with this limitation, the message board creates a friendly face to dreamers
from around the world. The web based bulletin board also has wonderful hosts, such as myself,
Richard Wilkerson in San Francisco, Ad Christiaensen in the Netherlands and currently Jean
Campbell from the USA East Coast.
Please stop by, ask question about the process of dreaming, science of dreaming, or current
events in the field.
Here is a little more on information from the current host. Jean Campbell
Not long ago I listened to some people discuss how difficult it is to get people to participate in
dream lucidity. Around twenty years ago I had a conversation with Anne Faraday, one of the first
people to popularize dream work, in which she said she and other researchers doubted that dream
lucidity might exist. I say we have come quite a distance in twenty years.
For me, most of that twenty years has been spent exploring dreams in one way or another. I have
had a book published, DREAMS BEYOND DREAMING, and have conducted some research on
group dreaming that gained international acclaim. The history of this group dreaming research,
done through Poseidia Institute which I then directed, is being collected for the dream book
I am currently writing: GROUP DREAMING: DREAMS TO THE TENTH POWER Recently
my research has taken me along another path though. Much of dream work, like traditional
psychology, involves only talking. Yet, as therapist Stanley Kelleman says, "We embody our
dreams." I have studied for the past eight years with Hector Kuri Cano, a Mexican therapist who
developed what he called Energetic Metatherapy, a method of bioenergetic body work involving
all levels of body, mind, and spirit. I have discovered that when dreams are brought to this type of
work, the understanding, because it comes from a cellular and experimental experiential level, is
much deeper.
Dreams are a human magic, and have the potential to unite us.
I am reminded of a slogan I saw once stitched in silk on a sweater in an exclusive Georgetown
shop: "Dream the Revolution."
We could.
JCCampb@aol.com
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Dreaming in the Millenium
Copyright 1999 by Lars Spivock
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Artists, executives, and engineers are often delighted to find inspiration during their sleep. You do
not have to wait for dreaming wisdom to come to you. You can simply ask for it! Here are two
simple ways to gain insights about the millenium:
INDIVIDUAL MILLENIUM DREAM QUEST
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At night --
* If possible, pick a day when you do not wake to an alarm clock.
* Keep a pen and paper at your bedside.
* Do only relaxing things in the hour before bed.
* After closing your eyes, ask your inner self for a millenium message or symbol.
* Also tell yourself that you will remember your dreams in the morning.
* Keep asking for a message and affirming to remember it as you fall asleep.
The next morning --
* As you realize you are waking, keep your eyes closed and stay still.
* Calmly review what you were just dreaming.
* Open your eyes and immediately write out and make drawings of your dreams.
When journaling dreams, write down and draw everything you remember, even small fragments.
You can wonder about their meanings after they are safely recorded in your journal. Keep your
pen and paper with you to record dream memories that are triggered during your daily activities.
You are the expert when it comes to interpreting your dreams. Spend a little quiet time with your
journal and you will discover messages that may be disguised as puns, metaphors or roles played
by you or other characters.
You can repeat the above practice as often as desired. Have a relaxed attitude of acceptance and
sooner or later you will be rewarded with some gems.
COMMUNITY MILLENIUM DREAM
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Many of us will be staying up past midnight on December 31 or have friends in other time zones
who will enter the year 2000 many hours before us. For this reason and to avoid weekdays, our
mutual dreaming experience will be on December 25, 1999.
Follow the same general guidelines for the INDIVIDUAL MILLENIUM DREAM QUEST.
Before going to sleep Saturday night, December 25 --
* Prepare your writing materials and relax for an hour.
* After closing your eyes ask your inner self to join with thousands of other dreamers to reveal
the mysteries of the millenium.
* Keep repeating your request and telling yourself that you will remember your dreams in the
morning.
Upon awakening, Sunday morning, December 26 --
* Without changing the position of your body or opening your eyes, calmly review your dreams.
* Journal your dream with as much detail as you can recall.
Please send email to y2k@dreamgate.com with the results of your dreams and I will send you a
summary of everyone's dreams. Those without email may send a letter to Lars in care of [this
publication]. Participants will remain anonymous.
I wish you wonderful dreams!
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About the author--
Lars Spivock is an international technology consultant and an original member of the DreamGate
team. He has been a lucid dreamer since early childhood. He free lances for The Wisdom
Channel, Electric Dreams, and America Online's Alternative Medicine Forum. Lars has
contributed to outreach and education projects for the Intuition Network, Institute of Noetic
Sciences, Association for the Study of Dreams, Bay Area Dreamworkers, and the Dream Library
and Archive. Lars may be contacted via y2k@dreamgate.com.
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So You Want a Career in the Field of Dreams?
By Richard Wilkerson
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Note: book suggestions are with an eye towards people who have in some way made a career in
dreams and have told their story or the story of other dream careers people. RCW
I have had many questions about how get into the field of dreams.
First the bad news.
I often feel that there was more money made last weekend for the latest blockbuster movie than
for all the dreamworkers since the Interpretation of Dreams a hundred years ago in 1900.
Gayle Delaney, dreamworker extra-ordinaire has said that no one yet has really made a living
doing just dreamwork. And having been on Oprah and Donahue, written tons of books and
traveled with her dream show world wide, she should know!
Now the Good News:
Without full time professionals, how does the field evolve? Well, people do other things as well.
Here are the most related I am aware of...
1. Psychology. Especially Jungian psychology, which has a heavy dream focus. Many
dreamworkers have mental health training and many are psychotherapists. The general overview
doesn't exist to my knowledge, though many books cover dreamwork from the original theories.
But how it is now practiced in late 20th century culture is usually dealt with separately from school
to school. And interesting study that looks at the practices and beliefs of several health care
workers is:
Dombeck, Mary-Therese B. (1991). Dreams and Professional Personhood: The Contexts of
Dream Telling and Dream Interpretation Among American Psychotherapists. Albany, NY:
SUNY Press.
If you are interested in dreams, the more Jungian education you can get the better. I say this not
only as an advocate for Jungian psychology, but because Jungian work runs through nearly all
contemporary dreamwork and theory and has deeply influenced the Dream Movement. Jung's
story is a must, start with :
Jung, Carl. G. (1965). _Memories, Dreams and Reflections_. New York, NY: Vintage Books.
Electric Dreams Links : Carl Jung
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm#jung
2. Publishing and Lecturing and Workshops. Books are the main contact source for the dream
worker and the more successful dreamworkers are also giving seminars, lectures, workshops,
conference presentations and getting as much air time as possible. Most are still neglecting the
Web, but some progress is being made. There are some writers who use dreams as rhetorical
devices in their books and screenplays. There are a few scholars who write about dreams, but not
many. One of the newest twists is Dream in Business. These workshops get people in business to
use dreams as a way to bring the office into a better mode of communication.
If this area of dream show interests you, I would contact everyone possible on the Association
for the Study of Dreams Who's Who list.
http://www.asdreams.org/idxwhoiswho.htm
3. Science and Medicine. Sleep disorder clinics and clinicians are on the rise, though dream
specific research is on the decline. The focus here is on problems with sleep and some work can
then be done with dreams through the backdoor of nightmares and other dream related sleep
issues.
Be sure to get a hold of the ASD journal Dreaming and see the Electric Dreams links to Sleep
organizations.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/sleep_disorders.htm
4. Religion. As Ron L. Hubbard once said to the Campbell, editor of Analog Magazine, "heck, all
the money is in religion!"
There has yet to be a Church of Dreams, but I suspect we will see them in the 21stCentury.
More often, pastors and priests and ministers take up dreamwork as a adjunct to pastoral
counseling. Note for instance the success of Jeremy Taylor, who is a Unitarian minister and now
has a full workshop and dream tours schedule. However, this came after 20 or more years in the
trenches. Non-denominational dreamwork is becoming more popular as self improvement often
includes dreamwork an spirituality.
For more information, I recommend reading Taylor's dream story in
Taylor, Jeremy (1992). Where People Fly and Water Runs Uphill: Using Dreams to tap the
Wisdom of the Unconscious. New York, NY: Warner Books, Inc.
There are many other fascinating stories of dreamworks. See the collection at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/bibs/
5. Lucid Dreams. This seems to be almost its own category of dreamwork. Stephen Laberge has
done the most to make lucid dream technology, science and psychology a life's profession. The
topic continues to draw lots of attention. Many others are rapidly developing products.
For more on this topic, stop by the Lucidity Institute Online at http://www.lucidity.com
And the Lucid dream story of Laberge can be found in the classic
Lucid Dreaming By Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D.
Electric Dreams Lucidity Links
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm#lucid
6. Anthropology. Many people in the dream field are anthropologists. They study not only what
other cultures have to say about dreams and dreaming, but our own as well. They look at how the
dream and dream interpretations function in the culture and what the mean to the individual in this
context. For more information, see Jayne Gackenbach's site http://www.spiritwatch.com
I also recommend reading *at least* the introduction to Barbara Tedlock's
Tedlock, Barbara (Ed.). (1987). Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological Interpretations.Cambridge University Press.
--------. (Ed.). (1992 edition) Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological Interpretations.Sante Fe, NM: School of American Research Press.
--------. (1981). Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological Interpretations. Cambridge:
Cambridge University Press.
Educational Needs of a Dreamworker
Courses specifically. Some of these you might have to get outside of traditional institutions.
1. Jungian psychology. Get a lot of this. Read all you can on your own. You might want to start
with Jung's memoirs, Memories, dreams and reflections. But I also like the illustrated Man and his
Symbols. I don't think there is a richer system of dreamwork on the earth., and most of what is
used today in groups and by individuals stems from the work of the Jungians.
2. Other psychologies: Ask for the basics and history. Freud, Adler, Jung, Maslow, Sullivan,
Erikson, even Skinner. But also look into Frederich Perls, Mednard Boss, Bonime, Montegue
Ullman, Arnold Mindel, James Hillman. Try to get as close to having a session with them as
possible. Obviously this isn't possible for many as they are dead, but move from the
generalizations about them to finding out what an hour with them was actually like. If you can
afford therapy, try out different kinds of therapy yourself. Very Important to get as close to first
hand experience as possible. If you get deeply into psychotherapy, I find the Object Relations
therapies quite interesting and a way of bringing forward classical psychotherapy. Kohut and
self-psychology forms a bridge between object relations and human potential and wholeness
oriented therapies.
I highly recommend Raymond J. Corsini's Current Psychotherapies for a quick journey into
several types of therapies at the experiential level.. Fossage and Loew put together a comparison
of dream therapies in Dream Interpretation, A comparitive Study second ed 1987. Its a little dry,
but interesting. A more exciting new comparison is Anthony Shafton's Dream Reader. Also, Gayle
Delaney has a good comparison dream book called New Directions in Dream Interpretation.
3. Anthropology. Again, much of dreamwork has a cultural component. Exposure to alternative
cultures allows for a wider grasp of individual issues and offers a unique way to find a context for
dreams. On dreams & anthropology, read Barbara Tedlock's (1987). Dreaming: Anthropological
and Psychological Interpretations. Cambridge University Press.
and Devereux, George (1969). Reality and Dream: Psychotherapy of a Plains Indian. Garden
City, NY: Anchor Books
See the Dream Anthropology bibliography at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/bibs/anthro.htm
4. Literature. I feel that getting the sense of what writing and literature is about has helped me
with dreams. Interpreting stories is something the fields share in common, and they enhance one
another. Dreams are often interpreted using literary criticism's techniques, not only the simple
dynamic structures of plot and character, but the more elaborate philosophies of criticism with
investigate the psychological and policitical forces in all narratives. In Dreams, See Jones,
Richard (1979). The Dream Poet. Cambridge, MA: Schenkman Publishing Company and States,
Bert O. (1988). Rhetoric of Dreams. London: Cornell University Press.
For more see
Rupprecht, Carol Schreier (Ed.). (1993a). The Dream and the Text: Essays on Literature and
Language. NY: SUNY Press.
5. Religion and Mythology: This could be under anthropology or literature as well. Both religious
studies and mythology look at stories that struggle with the creation or understanding of the
meaning and value of life. Be sure to read Joseph Campbell's The Masks of God. There are
several in the series, all great. I would read Mircea Eliade's The History of Religious Ideas as well,
also a kind of mythologically based text. Push through on religious studies to the esoteric/ mystic
side of the religion. We hear a lot of horror stories about Islam in the West, but we rarely hear
about the fabulous Sufi traditions. Again, be sure to check out Carl Jung on his rendition of
Christianity and Western religions.
6. Philosophy: while philosophy has done very little in its investigation of the world of ideas to
explore dreams, I find it invaluable in the understanding of dream techniques and where they are
coming from. All forms of interpretation are motivated by other ideas and powers. To the degree
that we learn to be conscious and aware of these, we won't as often fall prey to being the victim of
the idea. Also, being able to deeply question the assumptions and categories we live by is very
similar to a lot of dreamwork which does the same. Of course, one might point out Descartes as
an example of a philosopher who made a career on dreams. It was the dream that led his to posit
that he could not really be sure of reality, only that he existed thinking it was real.
7. Science. Understanding the functions of dreaming used to be clearly separated into those who
wanted a clear biological answer and those who wanted a psycho-spiritual answer. Now the fields
mix and blend and having a good background in biology, physiology, chemistry, ect, can help in
sorting out the psychological from the physical. We used to think about schizophrenia, for
example, in moral terms. Something was wrong with the person in that they failed to use their will
power to come up to snuff and therapy involved getting them back on the right road of consensus
reality. Now we know that there are terrible chemical inbalances, many genetically informed.
Therapy may still involve helping the person adapt to reality, but it no longer assumes the person
is *trying* to be weird. In dreamwork, we may make use of a nightmare to investigate some deep
soulful path, but its also important to check out the physiological components and influences.
The more science we have, the better we can refer these clients to appropriate care.
Graduate Programs
I'm not aware of any at this time that offer advanced degrees in Dreaming. The Association for
the Study of Dreams offers Continuing Education Units at its conferences. Www.asdreams.org
However, there are people who do offer graduate studies in dreams. For a full list (as collected to
date by Don Kuiken) see
http://www.asdreams.org/subidxedugraduatestudies.htm
Dream Centers and Resources.
Jill Gregory at the Dream Library and Archive has helped many other dream centers get started
and many dream careers get going for many years. For more information go to the Dream Library
and Archive:
http://members.aol.com/dreammzzz/index.htm
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global
Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm.
This Month's Features:
NEWS
>>>>Dreamgates ASD Regional Workshop in Bermuda
>>>>ASD Conference Update
>>>>Sierra DreamQuest Retreat
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
>>>>Call for Dream Art
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
>>>>NADIS: The Numinous Archives Dream Interactive System
DREAM CALENDAR for March-April 1999
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>>>>Dreamgates ASD Regional Workshop in Bermuda
Robert Moss, author of "Dreamgates" will be coming to Bermuda to lead a workshop
("Dreamgates: A Journey Into Shamanic Dreaming") over the weekend of April 16th - 18th. The
price will be $225 for ASD members, $250 for non-members. This will include a Friday night talk,
two-day workshop on Saturday and Sunday, lunch and tea on Saturday and Sunday and a potluck
supper on Sunday night. Visit the website for more information:
http://www.asdreams.org/conferences/regional/bermuda/index.htm
>>>>ASD Conference Information
Get the Latest Update at http://www.adreams.org/asd-16
Travel. Discount air and car rental rates are available for ASD
attendees through Travel Spot, 1-800-869-6265, agent@travel-spot.com.
Arriving. Registration will take place from 3:00 p.m.-5:00 p.m.
on Tues., July 6th, at UCSC's Cowell College. Late arrivals may
follow the signs to the Conference Housing Satellite Office at
Cowell College. (If you expect to arrive after 5:00, please email
vktonay@cats.ucsc.edu, or leave a message at 1-877-DREAMSS as soon as
your travel plans are confirmed.) A map to the registration site
and a special fare coupon for the Airporter which will take you
directly from San Jose or San Francisco airports to the
registration site, are enclosed. A buffet will be served from
5:00-8:00 on July 6th after registration, on a patio overlooking
the Pacific Ocean; music for post-travel relaxing will be by the
Jazz Lab Quartet, a celebrated local jazz band.
Weather: "It never rains in California..." It rarely rains here
in July! Expect early morning fog and temperatures in the 60s,
followed by late morning clearing and highs in the 70s and low
80s during the afternoon, dipping into the 60s and high 50s
during the night (low humidity). The ocean is on the cool side,
but some dreamers do swim in it!
Clothing: Bring sturdy, comfortable shoes; the campus is hilly
and you will be walking. (If you might need transportation
assistance during the conference, please contact vktonay@cats.ucsc.eduor leave us a message at the conference's toll-free line, 1-877-
DREAMSS.) Few people wear suits
in Santa Cruz.
'Spa facilities': The UCSC sports complex is state-of-the-art,
relatively new, and includes a weight room, dance room, locker
room, Jacuzzi, Olympic-sized pool, and a track with a wonderful
view (bring those jogging shoes...). Permits to use the
facilities are $5.00/day, purchased
at registration.
Commuters. If you're staying on campus, you've already paid for 3
meals a day and a parking permit. If you're commuting, meals can
be purchased for $5-$7 each, and parking permits cost $4/day or
$12/week. A list of local off-campus lodging options is enclosed
for those who are commuting. July is high season in Santa Cruz;
reservations should be made as soon as possible.
Program. In addition to over 100 symposia, workshops, and paper
sessions, the conference will feature the Computer Cafe, Dream
Art Gallery, daily Dream Expert Lunches (?????????) and Dream-
Sharing Breakfasts, and the Dream Masquerade Ball! Check Dream
Time for the latest program info., or visit our website:
http://www.asdreams.org/ for the latest!
Creative? ASD is holding a contest for the 1999 conference logo
, which will appear, on conference items. The winning entry
receives $50.00. Please send in your entry by March 15. Camera-
ready artwork, 8-1/2" x 11", is preferred. Please submit entries
to: Bethany Gideon, 322 Rigg St., Santa Cruz, CA 95060.
Dream-Related Products Wanted! If you have products, artwork, or
other dream-oriented items that you would like to sell at the
conference, you can rent vendor space for $150 for the week, or
place your items with ASD product sales to be sold. Vendor space
includes a 6'x 2-1/2' table and two chairs; you are responsible
for staffing your own space.
Alternatively, ASD product sales will sell your items for you and
retain 50% of the sales price. Items must be priced, inventoried,
and ready to sell. If you would like your product to be
considered, please write Bethany Gideon, 322 Rigg St., Santa
Cruz, CA 95060, or e-mail her at reth22@cats.ucsc.edu. Limited space
is available. Deadline: April 15th.(Book sales requests:
vktonay@cats.ucsc.edu.)
Auction. Help raise money for ASD by donating something you no
longer want which might be useful to someone else. The auction
will be held during the conference, where attendees will be able
to bid on their favorite items. To donate an item, write up a
complete description and estimated monetary value and mail it to
Chris Ambler, 441 36th Ave., Santa Cruz, CA 95062. Deadline for
receipt of items to be auctioned is May 15, 1999! Tel./fax: (831)
477-1764; cambler@concentric.net.
The Dream Ball: The conference finale will be the now-traditional
Dream Costume Ball with attendees encouraged to come dressed or
disguised as a character from one of their own dreams. This
year's theme is "Dreams of the Past Millennium." With costume
contests and dancing to a live band, this event is always a
favorite. Our band is a Bay Area favorite West Coast Swing band.
Free lessons will be available before the ball, but if you're too
shy, you can dance any way you like to West Coast Swing!
Dream-Inspired Art: A juried exhibit of dream-inspired art will
include paintings, sculpture, photography, mixed media, book art,
and textile art. Artists may submit up to 10 slides, along with a
biographical statement and an artist's statement explaining how
the art is dream-related. ASD will not be responsible for
shipping or insurance. There is a $10 fee for non-ASD members.
For more information, including detailed entry and shipping
instructions, please contact Fariba Bogzaran, Ph.D.,
P.O. Box 452, Inverness, CA 94937; ibabo@svn.net. Deadline for
submissions is March 15th.
Need Help? If your questions aren't answered here or on the
conference website, http://www.asdreams.org/, please contact conference
hostess Veronica Tonay, Ph.D., P.O. Box 568, Santa Cruz, CA
95061; vktonay@cats.ucsc.edu, or leave a message on our toll-free
line, 1-877-DREAMSS! The entire conference planning committee
look forward to meeting and welcoming you to Santa Cruz in July!
Until then...sweet dreams!
>>>>SIERRA DREAMQUEST RETREAT
MAY 7 - 9 , 1999
Vision Quest & Shamanic Dreaming Retreat
Travel into the Dreamtime with other Dreamers!
This weekend vision quest takes place in a beautiful, sacred pine
and oak forest in the Sierras, near Dutch Flat, CA. Nestled deep
in the woods, we will utilize shamanic ritual, dreamjourneying,
drumming and dancing around the fire to honor our spirit guides
and totems. Both Friday and Saturday night, you will hear the
call of the drum to have an opportunity to recall your dreams.
Each morning, in the shamanic tradition, we will gather in
sacred circle to share our dreams and honor them as night visions
and tools for personal and global healing. Solo vision questing
time will also be available. Are you ready for a weekend of
communion with the land, the plant and animal spirits? Are you
ready to reach the next level in your personal search for
wholeness and holiness this Earthwalk? Cost: Solo questing only
$70. Experienced questers/campers only. Full DreamQuest program
with access to group rituals, drumming circles, dream circles and
more, only $200 to 100 sliding scale for entire weekend. Bring
your own camping gear, water, food (if you are eating), drums,
rattles. Email shaman@sirius.com or call Sage to register or for
more information. 510-653-7293.
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>>>>Call for Dream Art
I am currently writing a book about spiritual dreams, called
"Dreamjourneys: How to Dream Your Way to Healing and Spiritual
Awakening." The book focuses on the shamanic perspective,
presenting powerful shamanic dreamwork techniques, both original
and drawn from indigenous cultures from all over the world. As
such, I am seeking dream art to illustrate the book. I am
especially interested in art from dreams that have a spiritual
content, such as dreams of spirit guides, angels, totems,
God/dess, healing dreams, dreams of the dead, precognitive or
psychic dreams, or soul journey dreams. If you have a piece of
art that was directly "gifted" to you during a dream, or was
strongly dream-inspired, whether it be visual, poetry, sculpture,
or other media that can be easily printed in book or magazine
form, please send a picture of it with a description of the dream
to Taylor Kingsley, 1678 Shattuck Ave. #275, Berkeley, CA 94709
or email to shaman@sirius.com. I can also be reached at (510) 653-
7293. If your art is viewable on your website, you can also apply
by referring me to same. There is no compensation, alas, however
the artist will be credited, his/her art viewed and appreciated
by thousands more people. There is no fee for applying and all
rights remain with the artist. Thank you, and sweet dreams! -
Taylor Kingsley"
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with
others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread
the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a
public project board and requires that everyone keep up his or
her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes
to the links page to us.
>>>>NADIS: The Numinous Archives Dream Interactive System
(http://www.nadis.net)
The site allows users to browse dream archives submitted by
others, search the archives by title or keyword, and save their
search results as a "dreamstream" - so others can take the same
trip. The idea is to find out what the planet is dreaming and add
your own dreams to the mix. For example, if someone dreams about
purple sharks dancing the tango, they might search for "sharks,"
"tango," and "dancing" to see connections to other dreams
containing those keywords.
The concept and name for the site came from a lucid dream by
recording artist Kingfisher and will act as a companion to the
new Kingfisher music CD site (http://www.kingfish.net). Much of the
music on the CD, which will be released nationally on March 16,
deals with dreams and dream images. If you'd like a sneak peek at
that site, please visit http://www.kingfish.net/main/view.htm
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D R E A M C A L E N D A R
March-April 1999
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March 26-28 in Long Beach, CA
Weekend Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. 562.423.3588 or visit the
website at www.jeremytaylor.com.
Mar 27 in San Fernando Valley, CA
"The Wisdom of Mythic Stories Symbolic Maps of Life Stages". This
seminar presents personal applications of mythology and
symbolism. For more information, contact Center for Story and
Symbol, 310 W. Quinto Street, Santa Baraba, CA 93105, telephone:
805) 687-7171, email registrar@folkstory.com; website http://www.folkstory.com
Mar 28 in San Francisco, CA
Dream Art Exhibit at Grace CathedralCourtyard Gallery.
Gallery Hours Sundays 12:30 to 4:00 March 28th Opening
Jana Hutcheson shows work from The Opposites March 28 until April
18 Art and Music for the New Millennium
Info: call 647-7517 www.jps.net/opposite
Artist there on Sundays, Private viewing M-F, 9:00 4:30
Call 415-749-6300 for appointment
Apr 8th & 19th in New York, USA
"It's Only a Dream" accoustic concert of dream inspired songs.
8:15pm Sharp The Living Room, Stanton & Allen, NYC
livingroomny.com
Apr 16-18 in Hamilton, Bermuda.
"Dreamgates: A Journey into Shamanic Dreaming". with author Robert Moss. Call InSight (1-
441) 295 2554.
April 16 in San Francisco, CA
Concerts of The Opposites. Join Jana Hutcheson, on a spiritual journey while she performs
selected pieces
from her CD, The Opposites, based on dream imagery. For more information, call 387-3859.
www.jps.net/opposite
April 23-25 in Ashland, MA
Bridgewater State College Weekend Workshop with Jeremy Taylor.
415.454-2793 or visit the website at www.jeremytaylor.com.
April 30-May 2 in Woburn, MA
Weekend Workshop with Jeremy Taylor.
781.322.4709 or visit the website at www.jeremytaylor.com.
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== D R E A M S S E C T I O N == ED V6 N4 ==
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D R E A M S SECTION INDEX BY BOB K. (For ED V6 N4)
Hi there! Welcome to ELECTRIC DREAMS - DREAMS SECTION for
Vol. 6 Number 4 - April 1999
Hello dreamers! We have a 100 page dream section this month
- a regular 54 page treat and a special 46 page extravaganza
in the DREAM SERIES section. We again include a some Poems
by Ace Boggess, this time in the FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS
section at the beginning of the issue. These poems open a
door to looking at the world and our relationship to people,
places, things, events and times in a way that dreams images
excel in doing.
The veteran dreamers Stan K. and Nutcraker again share a
couple of their nocturnal adventures, while many new
dreamers share their concerns, especially young dreamers
facing the mysteries of love and romance. Heratheta shares
his unique perspective on 41 dreams included in this issue
under the DIRECTIONS section (an all-time ED commentary high
for a single issue). Gerald shares his dream wisdom and
knowledge of scriptures near and far once again, in several
contributions.
As we approach another Easter season of rebirth, I want to
specially thank two prolific contributors to the past couple
years of ED dream sections: Heratheta and Dr. Deus/Gerald.
Not wanting to "beat a dead horse" (sorry Gerald)into moving
forward, or veer from the "right" path (excuse me Tony), we
approach the end of the road for Winged Horse and
Directional theory dream guidance elaboration in these
pages. For those interested in pursuing further the
approaches of Heratheta and Gerald/Dr. Deus, please note the
web sites or mail addresses identified in their commentary
for further exploration with them along their lines.
Although we may still see their nuggets (or volumes) of
wisdom from time to time, we will not see them as abundantly
in the future as we have in recent ED issues. We will,
however, continue to include all of their sharing in the
dream-flow conversation which is archived at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow%40lists.best.com/
Enjoy this months ED.
NEW CATEGORIES:
[NONE]
Thanks to all of those who have shared their dreams and
commentary with our community.
Enjoy your visit to the pages of Electric Dreams.
Bob Krumhansl
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FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS
** Dream: "an adventure" by janice marie (990311) **
== Question: The opinion of a public dream editor ==
== Response from RCW "opinion of a public dream editor" ==
** MORE DREAM INSPIRED POETRY by Ace Boggess (990311) **
DREAM #9: RISING'S FALL
DREAM #5: PARIS
DREAM #2: GOLD
DREAM #7: THE MURDER CON
DREAM #6: LOSS FOR WORDS
DREAM #12: ANNIE JOHNSON'S DEMO
COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES
{None this month]
NEW DREAMS:
PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences,
or send them in before it happens, if you can]
[None this month]
REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature]
** Dream: "Too Many Tornados" by Twisted Sister (990217)**
** Dream: "Murder and Mayhem" by Myst (990210) **
** Dream: "extra rooms" by ? (990227) **
DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli
on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams
leaving a trace on our physical reality?]
{None this month]
DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so
mysterious to others]
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LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE
BIRTH [Starts]
CHILDHOOD [Early development]
ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]
ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]
OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]
DEATH [Endings]
** Question: "Death in Dreams" by Rinkii (990301)**
** Dream: "MOTHER/CHILD" by SUKI (990226) **
COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits]
** Dream: "I and my dead father" by Anna (9902XX) **
== Commentary by gdaoust on Bubbles and Crosses (990309) ==
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AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths]
** Dream: "Evil Dreams" by Lumnius (990325) **
ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other
dimensions]
[See Xenobiology in the RELATIONSHIPS Section for an insider
point of view]
AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality]
ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions]
ANIMALS [Basic Instincts - This month: a rat, a sheep, a
dark horse, a white horse and a ferocious dog. Check out a
cat of prey and a dolphin in other sections.]
** Dream: "White Rat" by LilRed (990315) **
** Dream: "Sheep death" by ? (990319) **
** Dream: "Dark Horses and Fire" by Mermaid (990226)**
** Dream: "white carousel horse" by Mermaid (990314)**
** Dream: "CrAZy Dog" by ? (990316) **
BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]
BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were]
** Dream: "Dream Art" by dreambat (990312)**
BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our
permanent records)
** Dream: "books and numbers" by Mermaid (990316)**
BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to
there]
CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]
CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the
events we participate in]
COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes]
COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs &
symbols]
COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools,
communication]
CULTS [Somewhere out there ...]
DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South,
East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right,
left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix,
add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these
instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking
someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big
Bad Wolf!!!]
== Commentary by Heratheta on 41 dreams of this ED(9903XX)==
DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]
DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming]
DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]
EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and
pleasure]
ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or
else...]
ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]
EVENTS [The activity defines or dominates the story - a
convergence of people at a place and time for a special
purpose]
EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...]
FEAR [What scares us]
** Dream: "Blood on the Wall" by V (990307)**
** Dream: "Gruesome" by ? (990312) **
** Dream: "A Dream of a Fall...and a little more." by Sir
JaX (990315) **
FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]
FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and
destruction/transformation]
FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]
** Dream: "The Flight" by Taylor (990212) **
GIFTS [Offerings to or from others]
HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS
HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...]
HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]
HOUSE [Where our lives take place]
** Dream: "extra rooms" by ? (990227) **
HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event
location]
JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations]
** Dream:"What I Did In My Dream Last Night" by Nutcracker
(990224) **
LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]
LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the
dreamer]
LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]
** Dream: "The Kiss" by FyreSong (990320) **
LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are
Dreaming]
MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the
issue of memories and remembering a dream which by
definition involves the process of recollection.]
MIRRORS [Reflection of Self]
MUSIC [Melodies of the land within]
NUDITY [What you see is what you get]
PERFORMERS [Entertainers]
PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present
choices]
POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power]
RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family
which constitutes the first and earliest of our
relationships, often influencing how we relate to the
outside world]
** Dream: "Integration" by Tanith (990215) **
** Dream: "Unfaithful Lover" by Bill (990307) **
== Commentary by RCW on "Bill's Unfaithful Lover" (990307)==
** Dream: "Betrayal after Breakup" by Jeri (990325) **
** Dream: "confusion" by ? (990322) **
** Dream: "xenobiology/sandstone of new mexico" by stan
kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net> (990305) **
** Dream: "monkey flesh" by SK (990303) **
** Dream: "Series of sharing diseases" by Julie (990314) **
RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]
** Dream: "MeKenzie" by ? (990209) **
** Dream: "Papal Visit" by fest (990307) **
** Dream:"Quit While You're A Head" by Nutcracker(990221)**
ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
** Dream: "Love at first Sight" by Hannah (990318) **
** Dream: "No longer a dream" by Justine (990317) **
SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials]
** Dream: "The holding back" by ? (990220) **
SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]
STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the
lower]
STRANGERS [Who and what we don't know yet]
TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people
have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over
the spectrum of possibilities.]
** Dream: "Missing Teeth" by Jodesterr (990314) **
TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature]
** Dream: "Too Many Tornados" by Twisted Sister (990217)**
TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or
imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations]
** Dream: "Oblivion" by Clockwork Raven (981115) **
** Dream: "Cats on a Razors edge" by jj (990325) **
VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle]
** Dream: "On the Titanic" by ? (990221) **
WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing]
** Dream: Water Dreams by PT (990210) **
== Commentary by BK on Water Dreams by PT (990214) ==
== Response from PT on "Water Dreams"Commentary (990219) ==
** Dream: DOLPHIN GIRL by ? (990326) **
WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]
WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]
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DREAM SERIES
Did you catch the two horse dreams in the animals section? A
whole 30 words, by my count, populate the two sentences that
made up the shared dream. Well, to illustrate the power of
symbols, and dig in with detail into one set on meanings for
this dream, following is a 46 page extravaganza exchange of
messages on the dreams and possible implications. From the
purpose of life to the meaning of death, from the bardo to
the bible, from tolerance to intolerance, from pain to
pleasure, from good to evil, from right to wrong, from old
to Jung, this exchange touches on many topics near and dear
to us all. Wonder of wonders, it all started with a heated
journey from down under to the downest underest place of
all, and takes us from Australia to France, from glimpses of
Hell to tastes of Heaven. Thanks Victoria, Jay, Myst and
Gerald for this tour-de-force with a nasty beginning and a
happy ending. Be forewarned, this voyage is not for the
weak or meek. Fasten your seat belts, and enter with an open
mind ... the zone of the winged horse.
** Dream: "Dark Horses and Fire" by Mermaid (990226)**
== Comment by gdaoust on "Dark Horses and Fire" (990226)==
== Response by Mermaid to gdaoust Commentary (990228)==
== Commentary by JayV on gdaoust Commentary (990228) ==
== response by gdaoust to JayV's Questions (990302) ==
== Response by Gdaoust to Victoria (990302) ==
== Commentary by gdaoust on Another Vision of Hells
(990304)==
** Dream: "white carousel horse" by Mermaid (990314)**
== Commentary by gd on "White Carousel Horse" (990316) ==
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Farewell for this month.
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Hasta la vista! See you in the May 1999 issue.
May your dreams do their magic in your life.
Bob Krumhansl
bobkrum@erols.com
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FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS
** Dream: "an adventure" by janice marie (990311) **
3/11 right before waking in the morning (6:30)
Hello, I am currently writing a research paper for school
on the validity of dream analysis and I thought that it
might be helpful to have one of my own analyzed to add a
personal touch to my paper. I would really appreciate any
advice you could give on the topic as well as an
interpretation of my dream. Thank you!
The opening of the dream was like watching TV. A voice said
"Coming up next, the dog who ate brontosaurus..." and the
picture that popped up was of a cow jumping off a cliff into
a lake in a beautiful rural area that reminds me of Vermont
or New York. Then the scene changes and I join the action,
though the dream is still third person. I am swimming in the
aforementioned lake with my cousin Mark, the cow, and a few
other nameless individuals. After a bit we began to swim
towards shore. Mark was ahead of me and had spit in the
water, leaving a large foamy lump of saliva floating on top
of the water. As I swam closer I saw the flotsam and altered
my course to avoid it just before Mark hollered for me to
watch out for it. I turned to see how the rest of our
party was coming along and I saw the cow swimming rather
strongly, doing a jerky back stroke while shooting an arc of
water between its teeth. I reached the shore and started
running up the beach with Mark. I looked back again to see
one of our friends had just gotten out of the water. She
wasn't wearing a bathing suit, but a mediaeval-ish red
velvet dress with lace around the collar and an empire
waist. (I don't recall thinking that this was odd at the
time.) Briefly an image of the dress hanging against a blue
background --as if at a museum-- popped into my mind.
Then the scene changes again, and I have just entered the
living room of my old house (my family moved about a year
ago) to find my mom and dad and my aunt Beth and uncle
Richard all watching TV. My mother was looking at a large
scholarship book when I came in and she said, "I'm sorry
honey, but it looks like you aren't going to have the money
to go to the college you wanted to go to." I don't respond.
Then there is a commercial for the Christian college I want
to go to on the TV screen with some celebrities sitting in
deck chairs on a beach, talking about their college
education. One of the figures was a model and she was
topless. She repeatedly stated that she hadn't had to pay
much at all to go to school there, and every time she said
it her exposed breasts would float up like balloons. When
ever this happened the others in her group would solemnly
nod their heads in agreement.
Then the last thing I remember before waking is my dad who
laughed loudly and elbowed my mom jocularly in the ribs
saying, "Boy, it's a good thing I've got something like that
to grab on to!"
Comments by Dreamer: I'm a 17 year old senior in high
school and I am considering the college mentioned in the
dream, as well as searching for scholarships that would
enable me to go there.
Comments: I would love any comments given, especially those
that I may quote for my research paper. But it is rather
urgent, my paper is due in about a month. thank you!
[RCW- The dreamer didn't give an address, so all replies
need to go through the Electric Dreams community ezine see
www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams for more information]
== Question: The opinion of a public dream editor ==
richard and bob krummhansel,
your opinion please. is there a dream journal on the
internet where dreams with some sexual content can be sent?
I have never sent electric dreams any dreams of mine with
actual sexual descriptions. even though this obviously
happens in normal dream working, most such entries in my
dream log are rarely of interest to anyone not actually
participating in the feel goods... you know what I mean.
but last night I had a dream: 'flesh trap of american nazis'
which is generally readable, and I would have sent it in to
ED, except for the one paragraph which is at least hard R.
actually, in film rating I think there is one X rating (the
one for displayed erection). but without that one scene,
the whole theme of the dream is not accurate. the american
nazis prostitute their young daughters (13, maybe 14 years
old) to further the cause of the fatherland. I got trapped
by one who briefly did very pleasurable things to my
unwilling person. there is basicly a moral theme in this,
not just gratuitous humpings.
what do you think? is there a venue that accepts and
discusses dream material like this? perhaps a newslist of
x-rated story tellers or film makers? I will send you a
personal copy if you are interested in seeing what I am
talking around here. maybe you can put up a note like this,
and people can ask me in email individually if they really
want this one, rather than official broadcast. personally I
have no qualms about everyone on the internet reading about
my privates, and the female here is mostly imaginary. I
think you may know me well enough by now to appreciate that
I study my dreams for their manifest content, no punches
pulled.
I just do not want to put any material into internet
channels which might seem rude to prudes.
stan
stankuli@gulf.net .
I swear it happened just like this:
=== a sigh, a cry, a hungry kiss,
| | and the gates of love, they budged an inch,
--- but nothing much has happened since.
-- l cohen (1992) closing time
== Response from RCW "opinion of a public dream editor" ==
Hi Stan,
Definitely send me a copy of the dream, but I don't see
any problems with putting it out because of sexual material.
ED hasn't had to censor material so far. We had a discussion
some time back about kids and Electric Dreams and that we
saw ourselves as not wanted to censor for kids. I might send
out a pre-publication notice if anyone else in the staff
feels it really harm someone.
- Richard
** MORE DREAM INSPIRED POETRY by Ace Boggess (990201) **
[BK- This series is presented in the order submitted by Mr.
Boggess, which in typical dream fashion does not necessarily
follow a right brain logical numerical sequence. Thanks for
sharing a special treat with the Electric Dreams community
Ace!]
These poems have been previously published in Emotions, Ink
Literary Review, The Sunspot, Staplegun Press, and
Maelstrom.
DREAM #9: RISING'S FALL
The answer is The Fall by Camus,
though the question is as
nebulous & vast as the prize.
I give the correct response,
& my life takes on the illusion
of ascent. I've succeeded
where so many others have
struggled but missed the target,
coming up short. I alone
claim triumph in perception's
impenetrable shadows,
knowing so much of so little,
finding victory in collapse.
The laughing man, the bartender,
my grand inquisitor of fleeting,
uncurable trivia, bends
to avoid the light. I know him,
although he lacks a face
to recognize, the distinctive
lines that wither his cloud
of indifference. I'm set,
he tells me. From here on out,
no worries only joy. Then he
grabs the bottle, twirls it
like a wand, & pours ethereal
whiskey into the cup of life.
DREAM #5: PARIS
With two plane tickets & no desire
to fly across the sea to Paris, I lean
into the spiral of detached circumstance.
A pair of young women - one blonde,
one brunette - both etched only in
vague lines of recognition, seduce me
through whispers like prayers. Here
is the sermon of touch, & there
the religion of warm bodies intertwined,
yet neither will sacrifice at the altar
of Europe. Alone, I continue on my way.
& of course, I'm late getting started.
It's clear I need to be at the airport
five minutes ago, or perhaps yesterday.
The years pass me by like old friends,
& I am on the road, nowhere
near my destination. The airplane
awaits my arrival like death,
an end for which I am the means.
Let it linger there at the center of infinity.
I'm trapped in motion, forever
on the journey toward the journey.
DREAM #2: GOLD
Removed from the earth or the trunk of a car
on an old movie set, the first coins, bricks,
nuggets, entice the lifeless delirium,
the disenchanted power of consummate possession,
sirens singing the great sea into stone.
& we are killing ourselves with knives
like sharpened words. We wrestle
in the gray dust of the transient desert, painters
blemishing the complex canvas of skin
with streaks of red in shades. What have I found
so valuable it merits the struggle, the blood?
What is it that I've uncovered in part
that I cannot grasp in its entirety?
The illusive ore awaits beyond perception,
a bitter morsel tasted, not devoured.
I should give it up, I know, before it consumes me,
this implicit narcissism, the poverty of spirit,
avarice & the apple empty but sweet.
Failure haunts the image even in success.
I have desire. I ache. I am overcome.
DREAM #7: THE MURDER CON
Seated by an old lover & her new love,
I toast with blushing lukewarm wine,
suggest discord in sighs, immutable whispers.
Politics, religion, glorious incursions past
the shifting borders of sexuality -
the topic means as little as the words.
I'm probing, urging contrast as if plotting
dialectics upon human graphs.
In a slow breath, the argument begins.
I fall back into shadows, sidestepping
the swiftness of a blade. The stranger enforces
his point of view by bloodshed.
Eyes colored by sulfurous flames, he grins,
gives my startled enemy hell.
Through complicit spiraling smoke of brimstone
or cannon fire, I reemerge in degage strides,
a friend, companion, one last comforter
left for a woman alone.
DREAM #6: LOSS FOR WORDS
I seem to have misplaced my play or my last novel:
the lines & lies I tell about myself dispersed
like leaves drifting on a murky stream. I search
the refrigerator shelves, uncertain if I left
my magnum opus behind a jar of mayonnaise
or that last inch of stagnant vodka in its glass liter.
Did I wrap it in foil to segregate my thoughts
from lettuce, the savory fruit of wisdom uneaten?
Or is it there, by the technical poetry
of processed cheese?
No, I never find the words when needed most.
I'm out of place here in the chill of industrial winter,
frozen in time like prose for perpetuity.
Unopened containers gather dust in monastic
silence near sweet corn & canned chili,
waiting to awaken: commencement
of consumption.
DREAM #12: ANNIE JOHNSON'S DEMO
Lullaby masked in waves of rock'n'roll,
I recognize the timbre & the tone,
her voice, her delirious, dreaming chords
seeping from speakers overhead.
It's a song from Annie's demo tape,
its transparent immortality as proud today
in the haze & clatter of this record chain
as back in '93 on an improvised stage
in Calamity Cafe, her lips forming each
affective note despite a throat singed
by the many sweet flavors of smoke.
I ask the sales clerk what it is I'm hearing.
He guides me to the shelf & her cassette,
slotted by the soundtrack to a movie
I've never seen.
I have this one, I explain, the music's
continuity worth more than the image
of her success. I grin madly,
fading as before into a sensual fog.
COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES
{None this month]
NEW DREAMS:
PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences,
or send them in before it happens, if you can]
[None this month]
REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature]
** Dream: "Too Many Tornados" by Twisted Sister (990217)**
I have recurring dreams (at least twice monthly) about
tornados. In my dreams, I am frantically trying to gather
up my family and get them to a safe place. Sometimes this
even includes perfect strangers. One odd thing I have
noticed is that in each dream when I try to get people to
safety, it is usually in an old building or house (in
disrepair mostly). I have been having these dreams for
about 10 years now and have always been curious as to their
meaning. Any interpretations?
** Dream: "Murder and Mayhem" by Myst (990210) **
(recurring nightmare)
I'm at this woman's house. We're upstairs. She's not old,
maybe in her late 30's or early 40's. I'm there, as are a
brother and sister in their 20's. The kids have another
older brother, Bill (30's) who's a psychopath. I've been
here, done this all before, so I know where all the hidden
dangers lie this time.
There's a table covered with a white cloth and a dead young
boy lying upon it. I ask the woman, "Why have you called us
all here again (Bill made her)? We've already been through
this, you know what happened the last time (everyone died
except me)." Since I know what happens next, I go around to
all the rooms and cut the strings on all the doors and
windows that Bill has tied open and shut so that we can't
escape from him. That's how he caught them all the last
time. They couldn't get the doors shut or the windows open
in time to escape his wrath. I use a straight blade utility
knife to cut the strings. He's tied one window shut to the
bottom of a bed. I have to cut the gold velvet dust ruffle
to remove it. I hope the woman can find another one (velvet
dust ruffle) when this is all over.
Now I go back into the room with the woman. Bill has
removed the boy's body from the table (just like last time).
The woman hands me a book to read. It's a diary. I
haphazardly read through the page she tells me to
read....something about some woman. The brother and sister
have joined us now. The woman tells me to read the passage
again. I read it again, slowly, this time. It tells of a
similar situation, only performed by the boy's grandmother.
The woman points to the next room. I glance around the
doorway. The boy's mother is there, sitting at the end of
the table. She herself looks more than a tad unbalanced.
So, it's a family thing, I muse. (the book, the info about
his grandmother and the boy's mother are new to this dream)
The woman then calls to Bill, who's in another (bed)room.
"Bill, come on out," she coaxes. Bill steps out of the
shadows. "Everybody grab a weapon," I say. I had earlier
grabbed some article, for just this moment, and put it in my
pocket....it's an antique and looks to be made out of
whalebone. I think it's an eskimo (hair) brush. It's very
worn and is L shaped. I still have the utility knife in my
hand as well. I step past the woman and try to slash Bill
with it (I'm not waiting for Bill to make the first move
this time around). He puts up his hand and grabs it,
unfazed. The knife sticks in his hand as blood runs from
his wound. As he and I are still holding unto the knife, I
reach behind me and grab a small (approximately 6-7") cast
iron frying pan (used for decorative purposes) from a nearby
desk. I whack Bill over the head with it. He looks me in
the eyes, as though he's invincible. I hit him again, and
then three more times. He's still standing. I fear that I
will be going to jail for his murder, but I'm not going to
sit here and watch an instant replay of what happened last
time.
Bill looks a little dazed, but is still standing. "I need
to hit him at the base of his skull," I think to myself.
"That will surely kill him." Just as I was about to try
that, Bill says, "You can't kill me, the women are on their
way." No one knew what he meant (there weren't any women
the last time). No sooner had he said that, than a group of
woman started up the stairs. There was an older man with
them, leading the way. The woman who owned the house knew
them and told them to go away, to go home, but they kept on
ascending. I ran down a few of the stairs to try and stop
them, so we could finish our business with Bill. As I put
my hand out to hold the first woman back (a plump, older
lady in her 60's with white hair), she said, "I'm pregnant."
I couldn't very well shove an old, pregnant woman down the
stairs, now could I? (2/9/99)
(Comments by Nutcracker: Yesterday I had watched a taped
episode of 20/20 from Monday night, which had a segment on
recurring dreams and as luck would have it, I had one (day
residue), although I'm sure I didn't recall this dream the
last time I had it, when I dreamt of it last night, I knew
it to be a recurring dream).
** Dream: "extra rooms" by ? (990227) **
(Repetitive dream)
I often dream that my home has developed extra rooms and
secret passages. All the rooms are only accessible via a
tunnel of rickety ladder. In real life I am claustrophobic
and wouldn't consider crawling through tunnels, but in my
dreams I do. The rooms I find are full of interesting
curiosity items. I feel excited like I am making wonderful
discoveries. I also find a wonderful roof garden where there
a few really interesting people sitting on blankets,
chilling out and enjoying the company. I have this dream
more and more frequently and would really love to know what
it means, please help.
Comments: I would love comments
DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli
on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams
leaving a trace on our physical reality?]
{None this month]
DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so
mysterious to others]
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LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE
BIRTH [Starts]
CHILDHOOD [Early development]
ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]
ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]
OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]
DEATH [Endings]
** Question: "Death in Dreams" by Rinkii (990301)**
What does it mean if you dream one or more people? I drement
my mother died one day, and my father-in-law died the next
day. It just seemed so real, it upset me when I awoke. Any
answers?
** Dream: "MOTHER/CHILD" by SUKI (990226) **
I DREAMED THAT MY MOTHER HAD DIED. I WAS TO ARRANGE FOR HER
FUNERAL IN THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY BY BATHING AND DRESSING
HER. AFTER THE FUNERAL, WHERE I WAS ONE OF THE ONLY
MOURNERS, I CAME BACK TO A BASEMENT WHERE I WAS DOING
LAUNDRY AND WAS SITTING ON A LITTLE COT AND HOLDING THE
CLOTHES I HAD TAKEN OFF HER AND CRYING. WHEN I LOOKED AT
THE CLOTHES HOWEVER, THEY WERE A LITTLE GIRLS OUTFIT WITH
FLOWERS AND LACE.
Comments by Dreamer: I'M NOT USUALLY PUZZLED BY MY
DREAMS, BUT I DON'T GET THIS ONE.
COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits]
** Dream: "I and my dead father" by Anna (9902XX) **
February 1999
I was ill with many bubble on my skin. I called help. My
father, who is dead few months ago and was a doctor, came.
We both watched a mirror. I saw that my bubbles became
crosses.
Comments by Dreamer: I was afraid.
== Commentary by gdaoust on Bubbles and Crosses (990309) ==
Dear Dreamers,
this is a good dream here....
>"I and my dead father" by Anna
>
>February 1999
>
>I was ill with many bubble on my skin. I called help. My
>father, who is dead few months ago and was a doctor, came.
>We both watched a mirror. I saw that my bubbles became
>crosses. Comments by Dreamer I was afraid.
... because it shows again a Ghost of a Familiar... with
a Ghost (Dream Body) of a Living... both watching in the
Dream Mirror of the dual realities... the bubbles turning
into crosses!!!
In regards to the bubbles....
"The phenomena of Life may be likened unto a Dream, a
phantasm, a "bubble", a shadow, the glistening dew, or
lightning flash; and thus ought to be contemplated." (The
Buddha, in "The Immutable Sutra".)
... which obviously refer to the cross symbolism which is
one of the symbols of the Christos... and much older than
its relationship to Jesus Christ, because Crosses were
already part of the spiritual symbology thousands of years
before him as a representation of the two realms as
mentioned several times before...
Actually, the Cross is a very old and most powerful
symbol. Lama Anagorika Govinda explains the power of this
symbol of supra-spiritual knowledge represented by the
cross which they know as Visva...as in Visva-Vajra the
Cross-Thunderbolt.
"This is also expressed in Amoghasiddhi's visva-vajra,
which is an intensification of Aksobhya's vajra, not
merely in the sense of a reduplication, but in that of a
new perspective, a new plane of activity, a new dimension.
This Inner Way leads into the mystery of Amoghasiddhi,
in which the inner and the outer world, the visible and the
invisible, are united, and in which the spiritual takes
bodily shape, and the body becomes an exponent of the
spirit.
For Amaghasiddhi is the Lord of the Great Transformation,
whose vehicle is the Winged Man, the man in transition
towards a new dimension of consciousness. He is the Lord
of the element "Air" or "Wind", the principle of motion,
of living breath, of life-force."
(Lama Anagarika Govinda, "Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism
", published by K.P. Churamani for B.I. Publications, New
Delhi, 1960, p. 262.)
In simple words, the Cross represents the mastery of lives
in the two worlds, indicated by the two axis... the
horizontal as the samsaric world on earth and the vertical
for the spiritual world.
Finally, in this regard, to the Old Egyptians, for whom
the Dream was the cause of Awakening to the higher reality,
the Cross, the Ankh, was the symbol of the Breath of Life...
and therefore the symbol of the dual realms of our immortal
souls... but don't try to explain that to modern so-called
scholars. :)
In any cases, we can easily see that the Father of Anna is
well alive in the Other Realm... no doubt.
Thank You, Anna... and don't worry because all our
material bodies are doomed to decrepitude, one day or
another, but true eternal spiritual life begins at death.
"Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most
profitable, and passing all other sciences, for to learn to
die. .... I shall give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine;
the which shall profit thee greatly to the beginning of
Ghostly Health, and to a stable fundament of all virtues."
(Orologium Sapientiae- from "The Book of the Craft of Dying"
... Comper's Edition)
Sincerely,
Grald
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AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths]
** Dream: "Evil Dreams" by Lumnius (990325) **
I have had many dreams that I was a vampire, monster, demon,
and I have often dreamed I was the devil. Usually in my
dreams I am chasing people and feasting on their flesh.
Comments by Dreamer: I think there is a less senister
meaning behind my dreams and I am open to interpretation.
What do these dreams mean?
ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other
dimensions]
[See Xenobiology in the RELATIONSHIPS Section for an insider
point of view]
AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality]
ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions]
ANIMALS [Basic Instincts - This month: a rat, a sheep, a
dark horse, a white horse and a ferocious dog. Check out a
cat of prey and a dolphin in other sections.]
** Dream: "White Rat" by LilRed (990315) **
I dreamed that there was this rat, and everyone was afraid
of it but me, and it came and walked up arm and sat on my
shoulder, and then I felt really happy.
Comments by Dreamer: What would this mean ????
Comments: it's cool
** Dream: "Sheep death" by ? (990319) **
I had a dream that I was a sheep and then a farmer shot me.
Everything went black and I woke up. Can anyone please
explain this?
** Dream: "white carousel horse" by Mermaid (990314)**
Last night, the formerly dark horse on which I had been
flying responded to scratches behind the ear, and pats, by
becoming creamy coloured with golden edges. A watering can
appeared in the air beside me - a child's red plastic one -
and I used it to sprinkle out the fire below.
The horse was still animate, but had a golden harness and
bridle and a golden barley sugar twist "partial pole" as
though it had been separated from its carnival carousel/
merry-go-round.
** Dream: "CrAZy Dog" by ? (990316) **
Well i was sitting there watching the tube waiting for my
friend to pick me up for our nightly drinking binge.
Anyway, i was sitting there and noticing that the tv was all
weirded out so i thought i was dreaming and started changing
the channels in my head. It was pretty kewl until i notice
this dog in my room, and he was staring at a half eaten
pizza on the table. And for some reason i knew that i had
not fed this dog for over 3 years! Anyway, my friend knocks
on the door, i answer it, and all of a sudden it sounds like
a freight train is shooting through my room, but really all
it is, is that damn dog running straight at my friend
jumping on him and tearing off limbs from his body...
Now, what i'm wondering is why didn't that dog just eat that
pizza that was sitting on the table???
Comments by Dreamer: E-mail me if interested in this dream
at rabelson20@hotmail.com also, is lucid dreaming a lot
harder when you are drunk?? Just wondering...
BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]
BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were]
** Dream: "Dream Art" by dreambat (990312)**
I am returning home from work after a long day and go into
my bedroom. It's a nice, light room with access to a
backyard. The many covers and sheets are bunched up and as I
pull them back, I discover my girlfriend in the bed. (see
note 1). I am shocked, I didn't expect her to be there, but
I am glad. As I lie down, I see she has changed one the
pictures on the wall and I comment. She says " What, what
are you seeing?" I indulge her and begin describing the
painting, an abstract collage with lots of greys and sharp
lines, very nice. But now Lucy is getting weird. She says
"Tell me whose signature is on the painting." I look and
its kind of smudged, and I say so. Then Lucy tells me that
the painting is not really there, only I can see it. I get a
little confused. She says this happens to her with her
lovers. All of a sudden the picture changes, its another
masterpiece, but this time from another genre altogether.
Its like a Rivera, very bright, golden, almost cartoon
colors of a young girl, maybe a girl in catholic school in
paris, and very dark or no background. I tell Lucy about
this as she continues to say that her lovers do this, they
see the pictures she will paint before she paints them.
Several other pieces appear, each masterpieces. I see one
that isn't at all like her style, its more like my own, and
she smiles and says that is just what happens when people
are in relationships, things get mixed up. Several other
pictures occur at various spots around the room. I am
flabergasted and overwhelmed by how beautiful they all are.
When I woke up, I had a panic attack. I had to get
up, turn on lights, close closet doors and look under the
bed.
note 1: My girlfriend is just like Lucy Berliner, the
character played by Ally Sheedy in the film "high art" by
cholodenko. I am not myself in the dream, I am Lucy's young
lesbian lover, Sid, played by radha mitchell. Lucy is also a
bit like Sigorny Weaver, esp in the first Alien movie. If
you are not familiar with the film "high art" , Sid is a
young assistant editor trapped in a no-where job for an
avant-garde photography magazine. One night there is a drip
from the ceiling and she finds upstairs a group of
bohemians, one being the once famous lucy berliner, who a
kind of been-there done-that burn out stuck in a
relationship with an old german dancer. They form the core
of a group that spends most of its time taking heroin. Sid
and Lucy hit it off and begin a creative adventure together
of mutual support. Sid gets Lucy to do a show- layout for
the magazine and Lucy helps Sid get a better position in the
company. The overall mood of the film is sensuous.
note 2: I am male, but in the dream I see to be Sid, Lucy's
lover. Its not clear in the dream that it is actually Sid
and Lucy, but there characters, or close to them. I can only
say I know I was Sid intuitively, I felt like I was her, but
never saw myself in a mirror.
dreambat
BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our
permanent records)
** Dream: "books and numbers" by Mermaid (990316)**
Books and numbers - the 7 tree.
Mermaid 5am Tuesday16 March 1999
The image of a tree clipped to be the shape of number 7
won't leave my mind.
in last night's dream , I was "looking over someone's
shoulder" onto a white book with black printing on it. This
someone was a man I think, a mentor who was advising me how
to treat my "dream characters". My focus was not on the
words, but on the pictures, which were like dream vignette
within the dream itself.
The first of these was a young girl , with dark hair in two
pigtails, with blue satin ribbons in them, wearing a
Victorian era pinafore-dress who stared in wonderment at a
beautiful golden-edged tree, clipped to look like the number
7 in reverse. The girl was only admiring the tree in and of
itself, until someone pointed out that the 7 was back to
front. As soon as the girls reverie was shaken, the tree
turned around so that it was now a 7 the right way around.
***
I wasn't properly paying attention to the verbal description
of the next picture, which was also about numbers. That
felt to be something peripheral; for the "future". It was
some way of working out an antidote to poisoning a dog, or
avoiding giving it poison.
mermaid
BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to
there]
CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]
CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the
events we participate in]
COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes]
COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs &
symbols]
COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools,
communication]
CULTS [Somewhere out there ...]
DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South,
East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right,
left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix,
add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these
instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking
someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big
Bad Wolf!!!]
==Commentary by Heratheta on 41 dreams of this ED(9903XX)==
From: Heratheta@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n044
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:44:23 EST
reunion drm-peace had lain to the right of the show if you
had avoided becoming "but" cheating-peace had lain to the
right of the front of school if you had avoided becoming
"well"
murder-peace had lain to the right of the bill if you had
avoided becoming "deep" score-peace had lain to the right of
out of town if you had avoided becoming "between"
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:46:04 EST
peace had laoin to the right of the port hole if you had
avoided becoming "totally"
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n046
jesus drm-peace had lain to the right of the boat if you had
avoided becoming "known"
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n047
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 05:53:30 EST
peace had lain to the right of the people if you had avoided
making yourself or others frantic
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n050
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:58:20 EST
peace had lain to the right of walmart if you had avoided
"seemed" until the next dream
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n052
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 02:56:25 EST
peace had lain to the right of the horse if you had avoided
becoming dark
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n053
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 03:08:47 EST
rooms drm-peace had lain to the right of the rooms if you
had avoided becoming "only"
oblivion drm-peace had lain to the right of the forest if
you had avoided becoming "suddenly"
titanic drm-peace had lain to the right of the titanic if
you had avoided becoming "comforting"
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n054
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:36:49 EST
flight drm-peace had lain to the right of the landing spot
if you had avoided becoming "missed"
dying drm-peace had lain to the right of the parents if you
had avoided becoming "just so real"
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n055
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:05:59 EST
dead mother drm-peace had lain to the right of mother if you
had avoided becoming "was to "
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n056
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:32:25 EST
monkey drm-peace had lain to the right of the apartment if
you had avoided becoming "sometimes"
the bible !, yes!, victoria, there is such mention of peace
in the new testament jesus a number of times removed himself
from the struggles in his locale to seek peace in the desert
and as you know i have been directing dreamers to peace.
peace is a right turn away from your dream. the term
rightous is often used in the bible too. it is no
coincidence.
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n057
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:33:56 EST
bubble drm- peace had lain to the right of your skin if you
had avoided "many"
sandstone drm-peace had lain to the right of the trail if
you had avoided becoming "quite"
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n058
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:34:07 EST
pope drm-peace had lain to the right of dark rooms if you
had avoided "confusion"
lover drm-peace had lain to the right of the same area if
you had avoided becoming "only"
blood drm-peace had lain to the right of rooms if you had
avoided becoming "plastered".
spending some time out of rooms is a good way to find out
which rooms. also, i charted every day the direction which
was a right turn from my dream and wrote that direction down
on a calender and found a pattern which was likely to
continue. however, if you are faced with no clue as to where
your dream might be you still have the enquoted words above
which are your impressions of the dream to avoid and this is
what you would know you didn't want in yourself that day.
you can walk all directions with this knowledge suspecting
to meet the enquoted anywhere. if you know you were indoors
there is open sky to the right of rooms.
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n060
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:11:59 EST
rookie drm-peace had lain to the right of the law officer if
you had avoided becoming 'experienced".
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n061
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:28:54 EST
e drm-peace had lain to the rght of the "e' if you had
avoided becoming up all night
gruesome drm-peace had lain to the right of the TV if you
had avoided becoming "like" art drm-peace had lain to the
right of the bed if you had avoided becoming "shocking"
let me say if you will that i sleep with my head facing to
the right of my previous dream's location and continue to
change throughtout the night as the dream's location
changes. this seems to make some sense out of why we toss
and turn in our sleep, that is, we try to escape to the
right of our dreams naturally. if we would allow this
natural tendency to completion and not sleep in the same
position i'm sure reoccurring dreams would be alleviated.
remembering to do the same when we awake is more difficult
but worth while i think.
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n062
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:49:51 EST
horse drm-peace had lain to the right of the horse if you
had avoided becoming responsive.
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n063
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:17:00 EST
series drm-peace had lain to the right of right if you had
avoided becomint "found"
missing teeth drm-peace had lain to the right of the son if
you had avoided becoming "unbelievable"
rat drm-peace had lain to the right of the rat if you had
avoided becoming "only you are not afraid of"
books drm-peace had lain to the right of the shoulder if you
had avoided becoming "mentor"
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n065
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:30:27 EST
no longer drm-peace had lain to the right ofthe guy if you
had avoided becoming "felt"
love dream- peace had lain to the right of the theatre if
you had avoided becoming something others "couldn't keep
their eyes off of
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n066
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:20:28 EST
fall drm-peace had lain to the right of the tower if you had
avoided becoming 'above"
sheep drm-peace had lain to the right of the farmer if you
had avoided becoming a shooter
kiss drm-peace had lain to the right of the house if you had
avoided becoming "couldn't seem to get"
crazy drm-peace had lain to the right of the tv if you had
avoided becoming "weirded out"
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n068
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:50:30 EST
brkup drm-peace had lain to the right of the girl if you had
avoided angering yourself or others
luminous drm-peace had lain to the right of the flesh if you
had avoided becoming a feast
cats drm-peace had lain to the right of the woods if you had
avoided becoming alone
dolphin drm-peace had lain to the right of the blue deep
ocean if you had avoided making yourself or others proud
integrating drm-peace had lain to the right of the wardrobe
if you had avoided becoming loud
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DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]
DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming]
DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]
EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and
pleasure]
ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or
else...]
ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]
EVENTS [The activity defines or dominates the story - a
convergence of people at a place and time for a special
purpose]
EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...]
FEAR [What scares us]
** Dream: "Blood on the Wall" by V (990307)**
I dream that there was blood plastered on a wall all
over could not determine which room. I am worried. It was a
morning dream.
Comments by Dreamer: Please interpret for me . I am a woman
with one son
Comments: I would like your interpretation.
** Dream: "Gruesome" by ? (990312) **
My boyfriend had a dream last night that we had both taken
an 'E' and been up all night, I apparently said to him that
the 'E' was crap because it only worked for two hours, then
he said "no, we've been going for 14 hours, think about it -
all the things we've done couldn't have been in two hours".
Then we were climbing over some rocks, next to the beach,
with another couple. I went to go under a large flat rock,
as I couldn't climb over it, as did the other girl. The
rock then slipped and fell on top of us both. My boyfriend
went to pick up the rock, and it shrank to enable him to do
this, and he threw it away from us. The other girl had lost
one whole arm, and half of the other one and both of her
legs, but there was no blood. I had lost my arm from just
below the elbow and there was blood all over the place.
My boyfriend picked up the other girl, who weighed nothing,
and gave her to her boyfriend, saying "I'm sorry" he then
went and fetched our belongings from the beach and ran to
me, I had apparently crawled to the beach. There was alot
of blood all over the place, and there were lots of other
people who wouldn't do anything to help him. He then lay
down next to me on the beach, holding me, and then I died.
Comments by Dreamer: What does this mean ?!?!
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
** Dream: "A Dream of a Fall...and a little more." by Sir
JaX (990315) **
3-15-99 AROUND 1:00 AM
I was atop a tower thousands of feet above the earth. I
stood there on the edge, holding my breath. I peered over
the edge of the tower and an icy wind rushed up at me. A
longing feeling pulled me closer I wanted to feel the wind
rush around me. I jumped.
The howling wind engulfed me as I rushed towards the earth.
Anticipating the stop that never seemed to come, I turned on
to my back and watched the tower grow higher and higher.
The sting of the wind bit at my flesh and the sound was
unbearable. I knew the ground must be near, but I never hit
I kept falling. The sun high in the sky mocked me as the
speed of my fall increased. I started to spin like a disk
rotating slowly until my head was pointing towards the
tower. The clouds winked the sun in and out of existence.
I was growing numb. I blacked out and the icy wind jolted me
back in to my fall. SLAM All went dark.
I open my eyes and looked to my side, the concrete was
fractured and quaking from my fall. Strangely I felt no
pain.
Comments by Dreamer: It was a very very vivid dream ... I
could remember almost every thing that had happend...when i
awoke i was not sure i had been asleep
[...This dream is part of the dream-flow project to
proliferate dream sharing on the Internet. If you would like
your comments to get back to the dreamer, put them in the
dream flow. YOu can do this by entering you comments in the
form at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
- Richard]
FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]
FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and
destruction/transformation]
FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]
** Dream: "The Flight" by Taylor (990212) **
February 12, 1999 6:00 a.m.
I was flying, (without a plane), I could see the
countryside. I missed my landing place and ended up in some
farmer's field (didn't know him). I was walking on his
property. I saw a team of horses hitched to a circular
watering hole, (it looked like they were all yoked to the
watering hole), as they walked around in a circle causing
water to come through the pipes on the ground.
I saw some kids (didn't know them) who lived there and one
of them was an excellent skater.
I knew I had to get back to where I had gotten off track.
The same farmer told me I could walk, but I looked down at
my feet and I was barefoot.
Suddenly, I was back in the air, hoping I could get back on
course again. I did. Then I saw the person (dream character)
I had been traveling with. We came close to where we were
suppose to land. I awoke.
Comments by Dreamer: I had this dream a week after
returning from a workshop where I gained some personal
insight into a work related problem. This inward change has
effect this situation in a positive manner and opened new
doors for me.
GIFTS [Offerings to or from others]
HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS
HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...]
HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]
HOUSE [Where our lives take place]
** Dream: "extra rooms" by ? (990227) **
(Repetitive dream)
I often dream that my home has developed extra rooms and
secret passages. All the rooms are only accessible via a
tunnel of rickety ladder. In real life I am claustrophobic
and wouldn't consider crawling through tunnels, but in my
dreams i do. The rooms I find are full of interesting
curiosity items. I feel excited like I am making wonderful
discoveries. I also find a wonderful roof garden where there
a few really interesting people sitting on blankets,
chilling out and enjoying the company. I have this dream
more and more frequently and would really love to know what
it means, please help.
Comments: i would love comments
HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location]
JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations]
** Dream:"What I Did In My Dream Last Night" by Nutcracker
(990224) **
(this dream has five different parts that all run together)
1) I had been to Wal-Mart the day before and bought some
clothes for my nieces. For whatever reason, I did not take
the clothes home with me and returned for them the following
day. Upon coming back to get my purchases from the previous
day, I found yet more items of clothing for my nieces (some
sweatshirts for $5 each, I bought 3 for each of them).
These purchases I had in hand. I then looked for a clerk to
find my purchases from yesterday. One woman (in her 40's
with short brown hair) asked a younger female clerk (Tara
Lipinsky/ice skater) to go and retrieve my other items,
which she did. I could see her standing in the middle of a
busy aisle, trying to get a plastic bag over the hangers,
with a great deal of difficulty. As I wait for her to
finish, I continue looking around the store. It seems like
it's taking forever. I go to the front of the store to the
customer service desk. I ask the clerk what time they close
and she replies, "9:30 p.m." It's 9:25 p.m. now. I tell
her I'm waiting for my purchases and she sends some guy
(Lorenzo Lamas/actor) to help me find them. We head to the
back of the store, where I last saw Tara with my items.
Lorenzo takes me to the back of the store, where only
employees are allowed, then he leaves me there. "I knew you
didn't want to help me. You just want to leave because it's
closing time." I wander back out into the store, only to
find it's still open for business. Now it's open until
midnight.
2) I leave the store and am now at a restaurant/bar with my
friend Gail, another woman (unknown at this point) and
Anthony Geary (Luke/General Hospital). We're all at the
bar, having a drink. Luke's had one too many and is
becoming raucous. Us three women are there for a meeting
and leave to go to the dining room, where we meet with our
party. Gail leaves her purse and coat on a chair, next to
Luke. I grab my purse and then look for my denim shirt
(which I wear like a coat). I find it on a chair next to
Luke also. I take it and tell him I think he's had enough
to drink. Then I leave.
3) After the dinner meeting, Gail, Luke, myself and the
other woman (now known as Happy (her nickname), her real
name is Liz - tho in real life it's an acquaintance of mine)
leave and get in the same car. Happy takes some pictures
out of her purse and shows us the new house she's just
purchased. It's on an island (Bar Island) in New Jersey.
It used to be a business of some sort. The house is of
great expanse; 3-stories, a white clapboard colonial. She
invites us all to come and see it. We go to her house and
Happy takes us on a tour, room by room. Not all of the
rooms have been renovated as yet, but a great deal has been
accomplished. The rooms that have been redone, are
fabulously restored to their original elegance (red/gold
brocade wallpaper, crystal chandeliers). We're upstairs on
the second level. Happy takes us into one of the smaller
rooms, which is still quite large. It's a bathroom. It's
painted garishly in a black, purple and white abstract
design. I rather quite like it. The walls are also
abstract in shape (odd shaped dormers for windows and
skylights). It's a kooky little room. I call out to Happy,
"Liz," I say, as I notice her figure. She had recently had
breast reduction surgery and I feel she's still larger than
she perhaps would have liked. "How are you feeling?" It's
been a month since her surgery. A friend had told me she
was now a B cup in size, but she looks larger than that to
me.
4) After leaving Happy's house. I find myself (now without
the others) on a road (seems like the Pacific Coast Highway
in California) with John Larroquette and some of his
friends (all rich, snobby types). They're all dressed up in
black tie attire, drinking champagne while parked on the
highway, next to a hillside. John has pictures from his
latest trip and gives them to me to look at. I take the
pictures and climb to the top of the hillside to view them.
He has pictures of the Watergate Hotel. Someone says he was
trying to get pictures of people in their apartments in
compromising positions. There are several pictures where it
appears someone is having a party, but it's hard to make out
any of the people. I think I'll write "Lewinsky-gate' on
the backs of those photos (because that's where Monica
Lewinsky lives). I put those pictures aside and continue
looking at the others. The rest of his photos appear to be
of wildflowers and when you hold them up to look at them,
they become real. I start my descent down the hill to join
the others. All of the wildflower pictures are 'open' (in
real life mode) and I'm carrying them in my arms. They are
stacked so high, I can barely see where I'm walking. As I
near the bottom of the hill, I think I spot a skunk in the
brush and divert myself to the right to avoid it. It turns
out to only be a black and white house cat.
5) Now I'm back in the car with my friend Gail (who's in the
back seat) and a (female) friend of hers (who is driving).
It seems like we're in the Arizona desert. I want to tell
them about my shopping experience at Wal-Mart, but think to
myself they might think I'm cheap for shopping there, so I
don't say anything. I don't know (or can't remember) where
we're going, but there's a place I'd like to take (show)
them instead. It's a special place - a place where you can
see God. It's in the opposite direction of where we're
headed. The clue to getting there is that you have to drive
very fast. Not fast in the sense of time, but fast as in
speed. To get there you must drive very fast until you see
this large grayish/purple opaque cube shape in the middle
of the road and then you'll be in the presence of God
(spiritually, not physically). (2/22/99)
LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]
LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the
dreamer]
LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]
** Dream: "The Kiss" by FyreSong (990320) **
I was at the house of my current obsession and I couldnt
seem to get him away from everyone. He could tell that I
really wanted to be alone with him, so he made everyone
leave. We went into his living room and for some strange
reason, we were blowing in each others faces,when we moved
closer and closer together. I ended up kissing him, which he
resisted at first, but then went along with it. Then, I
realized I had to rush off to do something, so I kissed him
again and took off. Later on, I saw him at school and he
acted like we were joined at the hip. It felt wonderful to
me, but at the same time I was kind of annoyed.
Comments by Dreamer: I woke up really dissapointed that
it wasnt real, because this guy is not interested in me in
that way. If you can interpret this it would really help me.
I am kind of disturbed by this dream.
LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are
Dreaming]
MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the
issue of memories and remembering a dream which by
definition involves the process of recollection.]
MIRRORS [Reflection of Self]
MUSIC [Melodies of the land within]
NUDITY [What you see is what you get]
PERFORMERS [Entertainers]
PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present
choices]
POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power]
RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family
which constitutes the first and earliest of our
relationships, often influencing how we relate to the
outside world]
** Dream: "Integration" by Tanith (990215) **
I am in a bed getting ready to go to sleep - the phone
rings, I pick it up and loud music is coming down the line.
I replace the phone and settle to try to sleep. A loud
noise comes from within the wardrobe - I get up to look and
discover a video recorder and other electric appliances have
fallen off the shelf. I settle in bed to sleep again when I
hear a loud crashing sound from downstairs. I get up to
investigate. I walk out to the landing and my small daughter
is walking up the stairs towards me. I go towards her with
my arms out and ask her what she is doing. As she comes
closer I realize it is not my daughter after all - the body
is a childs but the face is quite different,it is that of an
older woman. As she walks into my arms she seems to go
right inside of me - I look around for her, but she is gone.
Then I am hurtling down a long black and white corridor
where the floors ceiling and walls mingled into one like a
round tunnel. I then awake in bed feeling very shaken up
and my heart pounding.
Comments by Dreamer: For a few days after this dream I
was very spaced out - almost high.
** Dream: "Unfaithful Lover" by Bill (990307) **
My girlfriend recently moved away. We decided we were gonna
try to maintain a long distance relationship. Recently
though, i had a dream that she moved back to the same area
as me. The only problem was, i found out because she walked
in on me and one of her good friends kissing. What does
this dream mean. If u could help me i would really
appreciate it.
== Commentary by RCW on "Bill's Unfaithful Lover" (990307)==
Cheating boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, wives, and other
lovers. Common Dreams Series by Richard Catlett Wilkerson
Dream: " I was just getting back from the store when I
looked in my bedroom window and saw by boyfriend in bed with
my best friend."
Dreams of cheating partners are very common and often give
us a jolt. Since we have all heard that dreams might predict
the future or reveal deeper meanings, the fear arises that
our lovers might be cheating on us. Usually this is
unfounded. Here are some questions I ask myself:
1. How likely is this to be literally true? If it is likely,
I would confront my lover, not by saying I had caught her in
a dream, but that I had a dream about it and tell the lover
my fears.
2. If its *not* likely, I would see the people in the dreams
as parts of myself. Carl Jung saw the act of sex as a symbol
of union. So if my wife Cassidy, who is a very thoughtful
type, was in bed with my friend Bill, who is very emotional,
I might ask myself what would happen if I joined my own
thoughtful side with my emotional side?
As you can see, this technique works just as well for
myself. That is, if I dream I am cheating on my lover, but
would never do this in waking life, then it is an
opportunity for me to join with some of the characteristics
of the dream lover. If Brenda is a hard working person and
I'm more of a happy go lucky guy, I can use the dream to
explore what it would be like to mix these qualities in my
life. These unexpected unions in dreams can lead some very
positive growth once we get over the belief that they might
be literally true.
- Richard rcwilk@dreamgate.com
** Dream: "Betrayal after Breakup" by Jeri (990325) **
Hi. I've recently broken up with my girlfriend, and we've
been getting along great since we broke up. she wants to get
back together but im not sure if i want to. Just recently
I've been having a few weird dreams. They start off with us
being together as friends, but we're being sexually active
(we have done this in real life too since we broke up)and
then I find out shes with someone else. Even though I know
we are broke up in the dream, I get very angery. What do
these dreams mean?
** Dream: "confusion" by ? (990322) **
I'm always in a small room, just me and micheal(my
boyfriend), and he always gives me something. A rose one
time, but now it's spiders. He tells me how much he misses
me and that he's glad I'm back. Then the room we're in
explodes like in the movies, and I wake up crying sometimes.
Comments by Dreamer: I have the same kind of dream like all
the time. Does that mean something significant?
** Dream: "xenobiology/sandstone of new mexico" by stan
kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net> (990305) **
=( had to work late in class prep for friday classes
tomorrow. spent the afternoon and evening finishing the
grading of the midterm from last week and recording the
grades from their third programming assignment. at 19:30, i
had to run down to barnes and noble where i met three
students to teach them how to play cosmic wimpout, their
fourth programming assignment this term. then back home to
work on more grading. about 23:30 i got the programming
class done to start evaluating the student web pages for the
web design class. i quit about 01:00 with about 2/3 of the
class done. some the students have very minimal work done,
something that shows less than an hour for real work,
leaving me to wonder what they have been doing all term with
about 18 hours of class time. i get to sleep, feeling tired
about 02:00, somewhat early for me but maybe i will feel
better awake then tomorrow. )=
there are few trees in this stretch of trail, but quite a
few people hiking. we are converging upon a designated
campsite maintained by the forestry and parks division. i
must stop with all the other hikers or risk discovery. i
really do not need the rest as they do. my alien enhanced
metabolism can continue for days with little or no sleep,
but people become agitated if they notice that i am rather
different from what they expect. so i stop and make the
appearance of needing what they need. i am accustomed to
performing within the limits of others.
i have been taking this hiking trip to observe the
windswept sculpture of desert sandstone in this region of
new mexico. while i walk along the trail i have been
concentrating on an obscure problem in xenobiology. how to
synthesize the blood preservative which augments nitrogen
scrubbing in weightless environments. one problem with
prolonged human existence in space is that nitrogen
compounds dissipate from the blood too quickly, giving a
sort of reverse 'bends' condition to longterm astronauts.
bone marrow needs proper nitrogen supply to maintain its
structure or suffer weakness, eventually collapse, when
returning to a gravity well after years of deep space
voyaging. we have learned of a genetic method to counter
this problem in species with calcium based skeletons, but
can not get human dna to construct the alternate
biosynthesis.
the campsite is overly crowded and i try to avoid much
contact with the other hikers. my backpack is light weight
and streamlined. fortunately, desert hiking in this season
requires less gear because of the absence of rain or cold.
water is the main weight requirement and my metabolism now
needs very little of that, its recycling more efficient than
nature gave to humans. i take a slim jim out of my gear and
sit at an empty picnic table beside the trail.
it does not remain empty for long. a man comes over and
sits to my left. apparently he is too tired to say anything
to me. i take on some of his weariness without him
noticing. he begins to perk up right off and does not
wonder why. it helps me to maintain my cover if i look
tired so i do not mind the extra burden of adjusting some of
his muscular condition to myself. i can shed this feeling
rather easily. i bite into the slim jim, being careful to
suck out the meat inside without breaking the outer casing
with my teeth.
now, susan dick comes along with a male companion, i
assume
her husband. they sit down an the other side of the picnic
table, her across from the man sitting beside me. i pretend
not to notice, staring ahead in the tired blank stare of the
weariness i borrowed. i suck some more on the slim jim.
susan starts saying something to the man to my left, i do
not hear what it is at the start, but it ends up with "...
and what am i supposed to do? ignore the man i used to care
for or hide from his awareness?" she is saying this to him
while looking at me.
there is an uncomfortable silence. i perceive that i am
expected to say something in response. "i am sorry." i
clear my throat unaccustomed to speaking very much anymore.
"i did not hear what you said. but i can assure you that i
would give up my life and go down into the earth for even a
moment of your favor. i have lost all such tender mercies
years ago and only appear not to need them anymore." the
weight of the borrowed weariness seems much greater now.
=( the alarm goes off 08:30. i am awake with a lot to do
today, feeling rather tired, but this is the worst time of
day for me. in an hour or so my daily rhythm will probably
kick in. the weariness felt in the dream seems the same as
what i feel now upon waking. i seem to be having these
residuals from the dreamstate lately, the feeling from the
dream remaining after i wake up. well, i have to hurry now
and get ready for lecture all day. )=
stankuli@gulf.net
=== qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit
| | who not is today, tomorrow less suitable will be
--- -- Ovid _Remedia Amoris_ i 94
** Dream: "monkey flesh" by SK (990303) **
<stan requests that his name and email remain with this
dream - Richard>
DATE : 3 mar 1999 08:08
DREAM : monkey flesh
=( still behind in course preparation, i spent most of the
evening writing a couple lab sheets for the web programming
classes coming up in a couple weeks. i also have a midterm
from last friday to grade, two programming assignments to
process and the www design course needs evaluations done on
twenty web sites created by the students. all this to be
done in the next three days. i quit any serious work around
0100, being mentally fatigued, but could not get to sleep
until about 0300. i read magazines to unwind for a couple
hours. )=
it is sometimes strange the things we do for friendship. i
think this looking up at john hunter's apartment. it is a
collection of scaffolding and platforms suspended by chains
from the ceiling of warehouse, some forty meters above us.
about four stories i would guess. porter welbourne, my high
school chum, have stopped in here to visit with john as he
has been asking us to stop by and see where he has moved.
john is just stepping away from his car after a day at
work. he has parked in the dusty area near the large open
door of the warehouse. there are several other cars parked
there besides ours. he looks glad to see us as he
approaches. "i have some things i want you to try." he says
to porter as he comes up.
as we approach the base of the scaffolding where some slat
stairs start the climb up, a young pretty woman comes out
from around the pipes. "john" she says with a quavering
voice. "didn't you really love me? you said you did but
now you never return my calls." she has a thin waif look
about her, like winona ryder. her short dark hair trembles
with her voice as she stares back at john.
"i gave you everything i could. my virginity meant
something to me. you know that and you took it anyway."
john swallows hard, obviously uncomfortable. "i know. but
it was not working out for me... for us." he stammers,
looking around as if for escape. "i thought with intimacy
our affection would grow deeper, but instead it merely
completed them so nothing remained. i did not know this
could happen. always before, sex made things better." he
avoids looking at her, but it is obviously that this
confirmation of her fears has stung her. she turns away
without saying anything further. i want to say something
that may help or console either of them, but i can not think
of anything that does not sound like a platitude.
"well, that sucks." says john with resignation. "let's go
on up." he and porter start up the stairs. i go over to
the girl and touch her on the shoulder. she turns around,
tears washing out of her over large eyes.
"i know this sounds hard right now." i say, butting in
where i have no business. "some things do not work out as
we would have them, and sometimes we carry those
consequences with us for the rest of our lives. but even
then, it does eventually become easier again. a love that
was lost never really heals, but we go on to discover other
things. maybe not love exactly, but something at least to
while away the time. these things never seem to mean as
much without that one who was lost, but they do mean
something at least. it is possible to bear these wounds
several times over. eventually the hurting stops, and we
just go on." i am not sure what import these sentiments are
supposed to carry, but something resonates in me for her
plight. she sniffs hard and looks away.
i start up the loose stairs. the girl hurries by me. "i
left something up there that i want back." she says,
showing me the way up. the stairs end quickly and we have
to take ladders and sometimes use the scaffolding poles
directly. it does not seem to matter which path you choose
as it all goes up to john's living quarters at the top.
"well, this is not so difficult." i lie as the structures
start to sway slightly as we get higher and the additive
tolerances of each lower joint gives play to the upper
regions.
"this part is not so good." she tells me without affect,
hopping across a void to a platform which is suspended from
the roof rather than supported from below. the drop if you
miss the landing over there would easily break bones, if not
kill you. i jump over. the platform is surprisingly solid
and the jump viewed from this side no longer looks so big.
i feel a small surge of gratitude for being now inside
john's place. i suppose you would get used to this after a
while, like living in a tree house.
since there are no walls to the various levels of floorings
and chains, we can see all across the living spaces. john
and porter are a couple of stages up over to one side. john
gives her a patient, we-can-still-be-friends look with
little hope in his eyes. the woman looks away, finds a
small stuffed animal near the slightly rusted kitchen sink.
she gives me a tear moist kiss on the cheek, probably to
display bravado more than anything else, and starts down the
scaffolding.
the various platform levels sway just barely when i walk
from one to another, but not enough to feel infirm or to
threaten balance, just enough to give a curious tingle.
john hands me a hash pipe when i get over to them. i take a
couple puffs and it tastes really thick. "i want you to try
the monkey meat." he says. "i do not know how they treat
it, but it is really psychedelic."
porter has already sampled the recreational confection and
has a large, slightly enhanced smile on his face, like he
has heard a joke that no one else has understood yet and he
is anticipating them doing so. with a mischievous twinkle
in his eye, he leaps off the platform into raw space. i
startle, thinking he will fall to his death, but instead he
hooks his arm into the wheel of a bicycle hanging a little
way over and swings back and forth over there. he looks
happy.
john has taken up two cubes of freeze dried meat from a
work bench. he breaks open the plastic shrink wrap of one.
the meat is heavily marbled white and brown, not at all what
i would have expected. i had supposed primate meat to be
rather lean. with some difficulty, john slices off a wafer
thin piece with a knife. "do this in remembrance of me."
he says with a smile, placing the wafer on my tongue. it
has that dry bland taste of a eucharist. i let it dissolve
in my mouth.
rather quickly i get a buzz. that peripheral tingly
sensation and slight dryness of the palate. this is not an
overpowering debilitation of some drugs, just a nice
background glow strumming along the nerves, augmented by
every movement and thought. i think we should have some
interesting conversations with the leaps of free
associations when the normal constraints of social
expectation are eased. i wonder what they fed these monkeys
in zaire, or where ever this neurologic spice came from.
they eat green monkeys in nigeria, i recall.
like a kid with a new toy, john looks at me as the
psychedelic glow spreads from my eye to everything around.
a slight layering of neon colors added to everything i see.
"come see my pet snake." he says, dragging me over to
another 'room' platform. this one has many lush foliage
plants in brass pots. i can almost see the bronze vernier
tarnishing in the atmosphere.
john starts preparing a large capsule of thick white
liquid, like the sap of a milkweed plant. once he has
closed the drippy capsule, he places into the mouth of a
large albino constrictor curled up in the corner. as the
snake swallows its vitamin capsule, i can see a light coming
from out of its mouth which seems to extend a long way down
its throat. the snake makes an angry hiss looking at me
like i am not supposed to see the mystic fire at the center
of its soul.
the white snake comes over to me and coils once around my
body. i am not worried as it will quickly discover that i
can be trusted with its secrets. the scales on its body are
unexpectedly large and rough, the white having a yellow
tinge up close. perhaps the yellow is from the drug, i can
not tell. i scratch its head, but then realize that
scratching is a pleasure sensation to mammals, not reptiles.
i massage the muscles behind its jaw and the creature puffs
up with delight.
"we had to amputate its fangs" john tells me. "this
species has a venom, unlike other constrictors." i can see
where the end of its snout has been cruelly cut off. that
may explain the snake's anger at me watching it eat. my
curious fingers sooth the blunt ends of its mutilated mouth,
almost on their own. my index finger picks up a slight
scratch from one of the other teeth in the snake's mouth.
"are you sure it was venom that was poisonous or just the
saliva?" i look at the scratched finger, a little worried.
i know that vipers with hollow injection fangs have evolved
selective toxins while it is just the saliva with gila
monsters.
=( i awake at 07:39, glad to be up so early, ahead of the
alarm by an hour. the odd euphoria of the drugs remain with
me once awake, and i lay there enjoying the feeling for
about ten minutes. it seems good to get a recreational buzz
without actually taking any chemicals to achieve it. this
false high does not last very long, returning me to normal
consciousness. porter welbourne was a high school friend,
now a medical doctor. i rarely hear from him. this john
hunter was one of my best friends for a few years in
amherst, but he abruptly quit me and later married my last
wife, sheila, when she divorced me. there was not any
romantic connection between them when i was around, as they
said they tolerated each other because i cared for them
both. they seemed to click as soon as i was out of the
picture. john did live in an apartment above a garage, but
it had normal walls and furnishings. )=
stankuli@gulf.net
=== qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit
| | who not is today, tomorrow less suitable will be
--- -- Ovid _Remedia Amoris_ i 94
** Dream: "Series of sharing diseases" by Julie (990314) **
On Sunday, March 14, 1999 at 14:28:27, the following data
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Dream Title: Series of sharing diseases--Julie
Date of Dream: 03/14/99 early a.m. hours
In reality, my fiancee has multiple sclerosis and I have
bipolar disorder, but in the last two weeks, in dreamtime,
our conditions have been switched. No matter where we are,
what we're doing or who we're with, I find myself limping
and hardly able to use my left side, while he has major mood
swings and has a constant supply of medications with him.
The last one involved a large public space, a university
campus, with a lot of guards and modern police around. I
believe there was a sporting event going on. I had fallen
down a hill with dried grass all over it, and was trying to
pull myself up the hill but the grass kept breaking off in
my hands. My fiancee was running around trying to get the
police to pull me up over the side of the hill. While this
was going on, my entire body felt like it had been shocked
with electricity, much like my fiancee's must feel in
reality. They succeeded in pulling me up the hill, but by
that time it was dark and a lot of spot lights had come on.
I was barely able to walk to keep up with the people around
us and my moody bratty fiancee decided to say, "Meet me at
this restaurant, " and left me to fend for myself in the
crowd. I fell again and had to drag myself through the
raucous crowd at foot level. No one bothered to help. I
made it to he restaurant, a normal TGI Friday's or whatever
style, and we ate a lot, more that either of us would in
reality. We also drank a lot.
After this, I don't know how as neither of us was driving,
we made it back to the dorms, which were all in shades of
pastel yellow and pink. There were communal bathrooms and
we were trying to find a place to relieve ourselves, but all
of the bathrooms were full of girls who did not look old
enough to be in college. They were engaged in various sex
acts (another constant feature of my recent dreams) and we
watched for a while. Neither of us was turned on or acted
upon their actions. Upon getting to an empty bathroom that
was decorated in blue ...
Comments by Dreamer: My fiancee and daughter have been
traveling for the last week and I have not seen them. They
are visiting his family in Utah, and we live in Wisconsin.
My daughter is 2 years old. She has alomst never appeared
in my dreams. This last dream in particular, my body was
such as i had never been pregnant (no stretch marks, no
varicosities, etc.) I have attended colleges in my adult
life but none that resembled the one that i saw in this
dream.
RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]
** Dream: "MeKenzie" by ? (990209) **
I was on the boat--- rafter, and there were Jesus and our
Heavenly Father. I knew I was supporting Jesus and Heavenly
Father. --- Then all of a sudden... somehow, Father drowned
and I dived and found him, and brought him to surface. I
knew he was died... but somehow, I knew that he is still
alive. While I was holding my Heavenly Father in my arms, I
looked up in the sky and heard a voice... "This is my
daugher" and my dream was inspirated with good feelings. I
smiled and looked at Jesus. He was happy. It was like Jesus
and Heavenly Father are so close to me.
Comments by Dreamer --- I can't explain... it's too
complex and... sacred for words to explain it, but I hope
you will understand what I am trying to say. I want to know
what my dream means.
** Dream: "Papal Visit" by fest (990307) **
I'm in college with a friend of mine. I don't know
what the room is, but it's dark. The pope is here. It's
very confused, but I'm disappointed that more people haven't
turned up. I cheer and applaud. Now, there's a coffin. I
know there's a woman in it but we suspect that there's
someone else in there too. JPII puts his hand on the coffin
(which is white). I can feel a certain strength. A kind of
psychic energy. The coffin opens and a woman is in there
with her daughter.
My friend an I are walking back to the library.
Now, I'm in a Park in town. I meet two friends of mine.
It's bright and sunny but I'm tired because I was at that
thing last night. On our way back to college we pass
through an arcade/home. A pagan friend of mine is there and
I nod and smile in recognition. He salutes me.
I think there's a river nearby.
Comments by Dreamer: I consider myself to be an
ex-catholic and that my spirituality is most closely akin to
paganism, but in this dream I was the popes biggest fan.
Before going to sleep I was reading and there was a
reference to Catholic identity. Also, last friday I had a
conversation with a Christian friend of mine about the
conversion experiences of Born Agains.
** Dream:"Quit While You're A Head" by Nutcracker(990221)**
I don't know where I am, but I'm sitting next to (the right
of) the Pope and there is some other man (a priest) to my
right. We're sitting in a pew. I'm not sure why we're
where we are, if we're to put on a presentation, or be part
of a presentation/exhibit. The priest moved over further to
the right and then he and the Pope put something/one between
him and myself. It was Mary, the mother of God. She was
dressed as a nun, in a nun's habit. Her body had been
cremated, but not her head, which at times appears normal
and at others to be shrunken. I would have sworn that she
had spoken or tried to speak to me (but I couldn't make out
any words). Her nun's habit (medium blue in color) was
folded up into a 17 x 17 inch square, with her head sitting
on top of it. The Pope kept trying to get me to scoot down
to the right, closer to Mary, but the thought of touching
her made me very uncomfortable. When I told them I thought
she had spoken, they looked over to see for themselves, but
of course she was then silent. At this point, I wasn't even
sure she still had her head as it was difficult to see
beneath her nun's headdress. (2/15/99)
ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
** Dream: "Love at first Sight" by Hannah (990318) **
I had this dream that I went to the theatre and I met this
gay man and he was his boyfriend and I was with mine. I
couldn't keep my eyes off of him all night. My boyfriend and
his boyfriend went off and left us alone. He walked me home
and I had taken off my shoes because my feet hurt and he had
carried them for me. I offered him a coffee and he came in.
We made mad passionate love and he left. I felt so upset
that he had just taken off.
The next day he came to see me and we went for a picnic and
it was really romantic. I knew he was gay, but ... My
boyfriend turned up and started fighting with him and I
closed my eyes and when I opened them I found the gay man
dead, and then me and my boyfriend split up.
Comments by Dreamer: When I woke up, I was crying. I really
just want to know what it means.
Please lets publish my e-mail address so that people can
write to me with their views of the dream
Yours hannah
Ykaye45534@aol.com
** Dream: "No longer a dream" by Justine (990317) **
Hello, my name is Justine, and I'm looking for help on how
to figure out what my dreams mean. I have gone to hundreds
of diffrent places, and they all tell me basically the same
thing, and I'm hoping someone can give me their input, I'm
trying to get as many peoples interpretations as I can.
My dreams started about five years ago, and there are simply
too many to tell, although I can tell some to anyone that's
interested. They are all basically about this guy, Jack,
that has popped in and out of my dreams.
In the dreams we love each other, and I can feel his
presence when I'm awake lately. He's always in my dreams,
and now, he is with me all the time. I can be sitting with
friends, and I can feel him rub his hand down my arm, or
give me a kiss on the cheeck. When I cry I can feel him wrap
his arms around me and tell me that everything will be
alright. I do love him, but I don't know if it's still just
a dream, or if there's more to it than meats the eye. Please
tell me what you think by e-mailing me at
Bunquishashue@hotmail.com
Thank you for your time, if you think you need to know more
about him, please e-mail me and I will tell you whatever it
is you need to know. Thank you, Justine
SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials]
** Dream: "The holding back" by ? (990220) **
I was in the alley next to the school where I was with
a male friend that was my boyfriend(in the dream). My school
bus came and the male wouldn't let me go. He was holding me
back from the bus.
SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]
STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the
lower]
STRANGERS [Who and what we don't know yet]
TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people
have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over
the spectrum of possibilities.]
** Dream: "Missing Teeth" by Jodesterr (990314) **
My dream started with a call from my son's girlfriend's
father that my son had pulled out many of his girlfriends
teeth. I sought out my son in disbelief and found his
girlfriend stoned out of her mind walking down the hallway
with 14 missing teeth.
I went to find my husband and ended up in the basement but
not my house. A firehose was running in the basement
flushing hundreds of huge spiders down the walls. I ran
outside and was blinded by the sunlight and saw a huge beach
and ocean. My husband and a small child were sitting on the
patio watching hundreds of people romping on the beach. I
told him about the teeth and he didn't seem to care. The
child was supposedly mine, although I didn't recognize him.
When I returned into the house there were several people
walking through the kitchen. i asked who they were. One was
my son's girlfriend's father telling me that I should leave
my husband and be sure to take my children with me because
they would grow up to be just like my oldest troublemaker
son. A friend of the father's kept sticking a video camera
in my face telling me that they were going to write a book
or a movie about me and my life and wondered how I could be
remaining calm by checking the answering machine and calling
a dentist to try to get his daughter in to have her looked
at in case she had an infection and see how to fix what had
happened. I kept telling them to leave my house. Then I
awoke.
Comments by Dreamer: My oldest son recently was charged
with possession of a controled substance and I stared at him
in disbelief. My husband and I have been experiencing major
marital difficulties for a few years and they have
heightened over the last several weeks.
TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature]
** Dream: "Too Many Tornados" by Twisted Sister (990217)**
I have recurring dreams (at least twice monthly) about
tornados. In my dreams, I am frantically trying to gather
up my family and get them to a safe place. Sometimes this
even includes perfect strangers. One odd thing I have
noticed is that in each dream when I try to get people to
safety, it is usually in an old building or house (in
disrepair mostly). I have been having these dreams for
about 10 years now and have always been curious as to their
meaning. Any interpretations?
TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or
imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations]
** Dream: "Oblivion" by Clockwork Raven (981115) **
I was walking through what appeared to be the forest with
the living trees from Legends of the Hidden Temple. Suddenly
one of the trees came to life and swallowed me. I was then,
for lack of a better word, inbetween life and death. I was
in another, darker forest, but the sides of the world curved
up around me, I was floating and even though the "backround"
looked real, it was just an illusion. If I turned a certain
way, I could see it was more like a cardboard cut-out.
Then the moon started transforming into a glowing white
face, it was completely white and had no eyes, it was more
like a mask really. It introduced itself as "Meg" she was
like the guardian of tree spirits and the keeper of the
"gates of oblivion." She then said "soon it will be time to
leave" and a magnificient purple and white vortex appeared
and I began to be sucked into it.
I then realized I was being pulled into oblivion and I
screamed, but no sound came out and everything around me was
nothingness, my ears closed up, my mouth dissapeared and
everything was black and silent, I was concious, but not,
inbetween. I then woke inside my dream with a start and I
was going down the slide at the McDonalds playland, as I
landed in the balls below I awoke into Reality.
Comments by Dreamer: This dream was one of the most
interesting of mine in that I remember still even though It
really didn't affect me at all. It's strange.
Comments: Anyone is welcome to comment, I'd love to hear
interpretations.
** Dream: "Cats on a Razors edge" by jj (990325) **
In my dream, I was alone and in a wooded environment
approaching darkness (dusk). I was being stalked by wild
cats (large type) who was on on their evening prowl for
dinner. Since I was alone they spotted me they began
stalking me. They weren't aggressive but approached me with
a continuing steady pace. They showed no fear of me so I
began seek shelter by climbing an extremely steep mountain
that at the top was narrow as if I was sitting on a knife
edge. While I was at the top and looking down at the bottom
at the cats looking at me, they began their decent up the
smooth (Like a dam) mountain to get me. I started throwing
things at them to stop them but they kept on coming towards
me. Again they didn't show any signs of fear and kept a
slow steady pace towards me. Eventually my effort to keep
them away from me has failed and I am looking for an escape
route. There is none. If I go forward then I would fall to
my death and the same if I went down the other side. All
around me I now see the cats have completely surrounded me
and they are now getting almost close enough to grab me. In
panic I keep looking for an escape route and there is none.
I then woke up. This is wild, I can't keep but thinking of
it all day. It really bothers me. What do you think it
could mean ?
VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle]
** Dream: "On the Titanic" by ? (990221) **
I dreamed I was sitting in a stateroom- on the Titanic. I
was sitting showing three children a toy, and we were
laughing. It was comforting to be there, like I had already
been there; yet, I've never had a dream such as that one! I
put the children to bed, and I walked out on deck, where I
met a friend of mine, and we chatted for quite a bit. I can
remember some dialogue, yet not all of it:
"Jessica, did you hear that they lit the last boiler?" My
friend asked.
"Yes!" I laughed. "Honestly, I don't see why they need to!
They're going fast enough as it is!"
The air was crisp and cool, and the sky was dark, filled
with thousands of little stars. Suddenly, the ship started
shaking, and a sound- the only way I can describe it is
fingernails on a chalkboard- filled the air. Then there was
silence. The water was calm, and still. My friend and I
looked at each other with worry. We ran to the front of the
ship, and saw chunks of ice on the deck, and a rather large
iceberg drifting past us.
"I must go get the children, Amber, be careful."I said to my
friend.
"Alright. I suppose I should wake Adam anyways."
We said goodbye to each other, and I ran down to my
stateroom where the three children slept soundly. The
crashing of the ship hadn't even awakened them. I shook them
awake, and I said to them: "The ship is sinking! We must
find a lifeboat, it's rather cold out- dress warmly!" As I
grabbed some lifebelts. The children laughed.
"What are you talking about Jessica?" One said. "This ship
can't sink!"
That's when I woke up. It was scary. Like, I knew that the
ship was going to sink even before I ran to recieve the
children from the stateroom.
I think maybe I was reincarnated- I feel that maybe I was-
and I was on the Titanic in a past lifetime...
Comments by Dreamer: I feel that this dream is possibly
telling me of an occurence in a past lifetime of mine.
WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing]
** Dream: Water Dreams by PT (990210) **
I dream with water all the time, all sorts of dreams: with
pools, and storms and still water and dark water, and
walking by the sea and being completely flooded, and
beautifully green water, and long swims under water, I am
never alone in this dreams, I am always with someone I know
well... my dreams with water don't ever turn into nightmares
though, no matter how dangerous they become. They are just
very clear, they always seem to have some sort of end, and
they are always very powerful. And I always seem to remember
them, almost as if they were some sort of premonition. Well
I also had a dream with pink sheep recently. :-) Just
yesterday night there was this little cartoon like mouse
eating big chunks of cheese all over my place! There were
other mice and rats and that was disgusting, but I woke up
in a good mood due to the little mouse. Could this mean
something?
But the reason why I am writing to you is this dream: I am
walking in a beach, it is rather cloudy and slightly cold...
suddenly I am told by people that I don't see that I must
take this "boat" that has this "T" shape (a bit like that
curved bone chickens have in their chest). Anyway, I have to
take this boat and go to the sea. I don't really want to go
but I must, the waves are really big and whenever they are
about to burst on the "boat" they sort of elevate and become
giant bubbles of brown and foamy water. Eventually I am out
of this sea and walking in this beautiful water. All is very
peaceful and still, I can see the rocks on the bottom of
this incredibly emerald green water. I know that I am sort
of being guided through the water by this "person" that I
can not recognise or see very well, and that "person" is
dressed in a androgynous way (a bit like a male dancer). On
the bottom I see these other adult androgynous bodies in
foetal position lying on the rocks very quietly. And I
remember wondering if they were dead or asleep... but
nothing scaring just quite and peaceful. And I woke up with
this feeling of inner peace. Oh well, and that is all! Let
me know how you interpret this! Thanks All the best Paula
== Commentary by BK on Water Dreams by PT (990214) ==
Hi Paula. Thanks for sharing your dreams. Sorry for the
delay in the response, but it has been quite hectic here.
I sense an inner peace and serenity being evidenced in these
images. The one you are most concerned about seems to
indicate some well developed female "adult" parts of
yourself which are "dormant" beneth the usual levels of
waking reality, but resources which are at your command.
Water images are usually associated with "unconsious" or
"emotional forces, but every individual needs to couch this
with their own experiences with water. My mother lost a
brother in a sailboat accident during a storm on the ocean.
For her, the ocean will alway be a feared killer and a
thief. I grew up by beaches and pools in the Caribbean, so
water is very pleasant for me. For someone, in a desert
environment or humid jungle atmosphere water is yet
something else. For a person living by a stream, a sea could
represent a tranfer to another reality. Mighty rivers can
be joyful, but also destructive at certain times. Water is a
cleansing agent of sorts also, and refreshing thirst
quencher. Explore what these images mean to you.
The fact that in these dreams you are always accompanied
shows some measure of link with internal and probably
external friends. These social interaction images rarely
show up in a lonely persons dreams. They also indicate to
me that you are still exploring many possibilities in your
life, and the dreams are reflecting this inquisitive
concern. The presence of a guide is a powerful image of
"connection" with internal resources and is highly valued in
primitive cultures.
The "pink sheep" and "cartoon-like" little mouse are
probably playful parts of yourself showing up in your
dreams. If you were the "pink sheep" what would you tell
Paula? What part of you is like that "little mouse"?
One technique to find more guidance from your dreams is to
ask a question as you are falling asleep, and ask for a
dream about that question. Rarely do direct answers result,
but often the resulting dreams will help make us aware of
conflicts, concerns or opportunities which we did not
realize existed. Good luck Paula.
== Response from PT on "Water Dreams"Commentary (990219) ==
This is great Bob! Thanks for replying! All the best and
good luck for u too! Regards Paula!
** Dream: "DOLPHIN GIRL" by ? (990326) **
2 years old Dream
Swimming in a deep blue ocean with many strangers. Three
dolphins approach and the others become quite afraid I
attach myself to the mother dolphin's fin and she takes me
for a ride. This is associated with enormous sense of
freedom and pride. The dolphin takes me to a watery cave
with rocks and ledges surrounding. Waves roll into the cave
and at first, these are quite small. Later I see a tidal
wave building in the distance. The cave is now filled with
thousands of people. Out of nowhere an old indian woman
appraches in a canoe and instructs me to get in so that she
can take me a safe place. She takes me to a ledge up high in
the cave. Two men sit behind her. I watch the tidal wave
approach the people below and see the sheer horror and fear
on their faces as the wave engulfs and drowns them. I feel
incredibly sad for those drowning and guilty for being
helped by this indian lady but I also know that it was
supposed to turn out this way.
Comments: All help welcome.
WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]
WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]
= = = = = = = = = = = ==
DREAM SERIES
Did you catch the two horse dreams in the animals section? A
whole 30 words, by my count, populate the two sentences that
made up the shared dream. Well, to illustrate the power of
symbols, and dig in with detail into one set on meanings for
this dream, following is a 46 page extravaganza exchange of
messages on the dreams and possible implications. From the
purpose of life to the meaning of death, from the bardo to
the bible, from tolerance to intolerance, from pain to
pleasure, from good to evil, from right to wrong, from old
to Jung, this exchange touches on many topics near and dear
to us all. Wonder of wonders, it all started with a heated
journey from down under to the downest underest place of
all, and takes us from Australia to France, from glimpses of
Hell to tastes of Heaven. Thanks Victoria, Jay, Myst and
Gerald for this tour-de-force with a nasty beginning and a
happy ending. Be forewarned, this voyage is not for the
weak or meek. Fasten your seat belts, and enter with an open
mind ... the zone of the winged horse.
Hi, ho Silver ... and away !!!
** Dream: "Dark Horses and Fire" by Mermaid (990226)**
I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over
swirling fire lately.
I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined
to get over it.
== Comment by gdaoust on "Dark Horses and Fire" (990226)==
Dear Dreamers,
oh! boy! I was afraid that one like this would come
up one of these days...
"I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over
swirling fire lately.
I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined
to get over it."
...that looks pretty bad to me, because it means that
the Psychopump is taking Victoria over Hell... and it is not
a question of determination which will change that
destiny... if she doesn't change her mind about the nature
of dreams.
Wild? No, no, just normal. Those who are ancients of
Electric Dreams will have noted that I interpreted several
dreams of Victoria, but Victoria is Jungian and is convinced
that dreams are only the fruit of her imagination and
doesn't realise that her false belief will lead her to Fires
of Hell! :)
Oh! well... what the Hell? That's where Jungianism or
wrong beliefs lead. :)
Wrong Way Out! :)
"For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man
perceiveth not. In a dream, in a vision of the night,
when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the
bed; then he openeth the ears of men, (terrifies them with
warnings) and sealeth their instruction... o prevent them
from falling down into the bottomless pit." (Words of Elihu,
in Job 33.15.....Holy Land, sometimes B.C.)
Hoping that your voyage will make you think the right
way?
Poor Victoria, Bon Voyage!
Gerald
== Response by Mermaid to gdaoust Commentary (990228)==
> Dear Dreamers,
>
> ...that looks pretty bad to me, because it means that >
>the Psychopump
Gerald, how do you define the Psychopump, and do you believe
that two way communication is possible with it?
>is taking Victoria over Hell... and it is not a question of
>determination which will change that destiny... if she
>doesn't change her mind about the nature of dreams.
>
> Wild? No, no, just normal. Those who are ancients of
Electric Dreams will have noted that I interpreted several
dreams of Victoria, but Victoria is Jungian and is convinced
that dreams are only the fruit of her imagination and
doesn't realise that her false belief will lead her to Fires
of Hell! :)
>
> Oh! well... what the Hell? That's where Jungianism or
wrong beliefs lead. :)
>
> Wrong Way Out! :)
Hmmm so to what degree do you , Gerald, believe that an
individual has choice in dreams, and flowing from there, to
life?
Is it not taking on an assumption of being at least part
deity to say that anyone else has false beliefs?
How do the horses and trains fit into all of this?
> "For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man
>perceiveth not.
> In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep
>falleth upon men,
>in slumberings upon the bed; then he openeth the ears of
>men, (terrifies
>them with warnings) and sealeth their instruction... o
>prevent them from
>falling down into the bottomless pit."
>(Words of Elihu, in Job 33.15.....Holy Land, sometimes
B.C.)
>
> Hoping that your voyage will make you think the right
way?
In that case, have you any suggestions for where sealed
instructions may be?
Mermaid
== Commentary by JayV on gdaoust Commentary (990228) ==
dear gerald,
perhaps it would be more helpful, if you could say *briefly*
how you believe we could more productively view our dreams?
do you believe hell truly awaits those who fail to recognise
your vision of god in their dreams? is that what your god
has planned?
is a jungian view of dreamwork so different from your and
your gods view?
== response by gdaoust to JayV's Questions (990302) ==
Subject: The True Nature of Dreams!
Dear Sir John,
I have read your interesting and most fundamental
questions...
>
>From: "Jay Vinton"
>Subject: the nature of dreams
>Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:38:57 -0500 (EST)
>
>dear gerald,
>
>perhaps it would be more helpful, if you could say
*briefly* how you
>believe we could more productively view our dreams?
In this respect, just consider dreams as divine messages
and visits into the Other Realm... where we get guidance and
instruction and even earthly orders and missions...
"...An Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and
said: "Joseph, ......... . ........". When Joseph woke up,
he did what the Angel of the Lord had commanded him..."
(words exposed in Matthew, 1,24)
... and I've noticed that people very seldom do what is
ordered to them in dreams because they have no idea about
what dreams are all about, mainly due to misguiding
Jungianism which bullshits and confuses everybody about the
true nature of dreams.
>do you believe hell truly awaits those who fail to
>recognise your
>vision of god in their dreams? is that what your god has
>planned?
Yes! of course, God does not reward those who do not want
to recognise him...
"He, who does not believe in the true dream, does not
believe in Allah nor in the Day of Reckoning." (most
important words of Mohammed)
... but it is not only "my" vision... but the vision of
all the Dreamer-Prophets which words were preserved into the
Holy Scriptures which are revelations...
"And He said, "Hear now my words: If there be a prophet
among you, I, the Lord, will make Myself known to him in a
vision, and will speak unto him in a dream." (Words of the
Lord of the Universe revealed to Moses, Aaron and Miriam....
and preserved in Numbers 12.6)
.... but as you can read in Revelation, he who does not
have the Seal of the Living God on their forehead will
perish... upon arrival on the other side... as clearly
mentioned Rev, 7,2-3:
2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having
the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice
to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land
and the sea:
3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put
a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."
...and explained in more details in Rev,6 where you can
read that all the Seals are Winged-Horses... and better
warned in chapter 9 and especially in 9,4...
1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star
that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was
given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened
the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic
furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from
the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon
the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the
earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth
or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have
the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given
power to kill them, but only to torture them for five
months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the
sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 During those
days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will
long to die, but death will elude them.
7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On
their heads they wore something like crowns of gold and
their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like
women's hair, and their teeth were like lion's teeth.
9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the
sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses
and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and
stings like scorpions, and in their tails, they had power to
torment people for five months. 11 They have as king over
them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is
Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.
... the sound of their Wings...Humm!
....because people must believe in the Creator who
created everything... directly or indirectly... and dreams
are messages from God...
"He, who does not believe in the true dream, does not
believe in Allah nor in the Day of Reckoning." (most
important words of Mohammed)
-------------------------------------------------
"For the Days of the Lord are coming..... . And it
shall come to pass afterward, saith God, that I will pour
out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters
shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young
men shall see visions. Even on my servants and
handmaidens I will pour out, in those days, my Spirit; and
they shall prophesy."
(Words of the Lord himself revealed to the prophet
Joël preserved in Joël 2.28-30 in the Old Testament and, due
to their crucial importance, repeated in the New Testament
in Acts 2.16-18.)
But have to be carefull with the messages of these
god-given dreams...
"I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy
lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I had a dream."
Which think to cause my people to forget my name by
their dreams...
"Let the prophet who has a dream tell his dream, but
let the one who has my word speak it faithfully. For what is
the chaff to the wheat? " declares the Lord, to Jeremiah, as
stated in Jeremiah 23,25 and 23,28
... because God calls everybody but unfortunately it is
not everybody who answers the call or obeys his guidance and
instruction given in dreams...
"For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man
perceiveth not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when
deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
then he openeth the ears of men, (terrifies them with
warnings) and sealeth their instruction... to prevent his
soul from going down into the bottomless pit." (words of
Elihu, in Job 33.15.....Holy Land, sometimes B.C.)
... which he sends to people to prevent them from ending
up in the bottomless pit of the Fiery Hells.
>is a jungian view of dreamwork so different from your and
>your gods view?
Totally the contrary, the Jungian view is looking the
wrong way... and leads to perdition just as the dream of
Victria clearly indicates.
******************
However, Victoria is a very good person and is not an
atheist, but just a miscreant who is being mislead by
Jungian garbage... because she only got warned and did not
get punished yet as atheists are beaten up by the Horses of
the Lord, in their dreams... such as in this one here...
white horses
posted by Marina on January 05, 1998 at 08:31:28:
Hello,
My mother is having the same dream for few nignts. She is
being stamped by white horses with black hooves. When she
wakes up she has black and blue marks on her body. What
could it possibly mean?
Thank You.
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So, Sir John, I replied to Marina and asked a few
questions... and got this reply...
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:37:31 -0500
From: RA
> To: "Gerald D'Aoust"
> Subject: Re: White Horses with black hooves!
Gerald.
Thank you for the quick response. I am worried about my
mother's mental health. She is seeing very strange dreams
and is affected by them all day. My mother was born in 1935.
There are a lot of horses in her dream, but I don't know how
many. She is lying on the ground and the horses are just
stamping her.
When she gets up in the morning she has black and blue marks
on her legs.
The other part of her dream, or she wakes up and goes back
to sleep is: her mother (who died of cancer in 1975) is
sitting in a chair with a huge hole in her body. The
cotton is "stuffed" in a hole and blood coming out of it.
She is calling my mother to come to her with the strong -
ruling voice. My mother doesn't go and wakes up. Right now
my mother is the same age as my grandmother was when she
died. Sure enough my mom is saying that it is "her time
now".
Is there any meaning to all this?
Thank you very much. Your help is greatly appreciated.
Marina.
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Dear Marina,
thank you for your prompt reply.
This will appear to you very strange but your mother is
fine and well and I don't believe that she is about to die
neither... unless she keeps on being tormented like that.
In resume, the true dreams of your mom
relate...(now hold on to your hat) ... to the visit of a
mighty personnage on earth... who has been scheduled to
reappear at about this time of great tribulations.
So, your Mom's dream also relates to this event
known as the Advent... or the Coming of the Lord in the
flesh... the Lord of the Resurrection of the Dead... and if
she believes in him everything will be just fine....
In my point of view, the wrath of the Lord is on
your Mom because she doesn't believe in the Lord nor in the
Resurrection of the Dead... such as her own Mom who has her
womb openly bleeding because her own progeny which came out
of there does not at this point beleive in the Lord... the
(Eternal)Life Giver.
I know that it sounds totally crazy, but tell your
Mom to read the following biblical passages which relate to
her own dream....
" At the noise of the stamping of the hooves of his
strong Horses,.... the fathers (mothers) shall not look back
to their chidren from feebleness of hands;..."
(Jeremiah 47, 3 +)
Also, you may wish to read Ezechiel 26 in full but at
least from verses 7 to 12. And then you will begin to
understand the seriousness of her dreams.
I think that the message means that your Mom should
begin to believe in God... and she doesn't need to go to
Church for this as God reaches her right between her two
ears when she sleeps. Also, when she is convinced that he
exists, as well as in the other world which he governs...
her Mother will heal and will stop calling her in such
way... because really the only right now for your Mom to
understand would be to die as she anticipates to see the
spiritual reality!
But, if she can pay attention to my words and care to
verify what I am trying to say .... she will live longer in
peace.
If you doubt in what I say... read about the Horses
of the Apocalypse and the Locusts and the Rider on the White
Horse, respectively in Revelation 6, 9, 19.11... as these
Horses are Angels of the Divine Army of Heaven... which are
now here to accomplish their task of tormenting those who do
not have the seal of God on their forehead... so that they
may change their mind about God and gain Eternal Life.
Tell this to your Mom... and ask her if she would
care to trade a few stupid years on earth against eternity
in Heaven?
I realise that this is very heavy... but your
"tormented" Mother needs this explanation... for her own
salvation... which she needs to accomplish by herself!
God cares enough about her that he is speaking to her
directly in her dreams...in order to prevent her from
falling into the bottomless pit!!!... and she must respond
to him the same way... and her dreams will instantaneously
improve, just like herself too.
Trust me, your Mom is simply undergoing a required
purification process... for her own benefit... that's all!
What your Mom saw in her dream is precisely what awaits her
when she dies... because, for some unknown reason she is a
pain to both her own Mom and to the Lord himself and if she
don't change... which confesses to the word repent.... this
is what she will get when she gets there.But if she believes
in the existence of the world which she visits in her
dreams.... to be the Spiritual World, where Eternal Angels
(like the White Horses)and Immortal Ghosts(like Grand-Ma)
exist forever... then her "soul" will be better greeted when
she does get there.
Spiritual Things, at least, never change!
Sincerely,
Gerald
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...and this is the reply that I received from her...
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:17:02 -0500
From: RA
> To: "Gérald D'Aoust"
> Subject: Re: I am truly Sorry But...
Dear Gerald,
I just got your message. Thank you so much. I am not
afraid of her dreams. I am worried about her state of mind.
For someone who grew up in a country where religion was
banned and outlawed would be difficult to start believing in
God. At least she believes in alternative medicine and
doesn't see doctors as "Gods". We will take your advise and
do our best.
Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
Marina.
---------------------------------
So, you see, Sir John, I was right to clearly see,
judging from her dream, that this older woman did not
believe in God... and this is her reward. It is funny, but I
feel that she will change her mind before she dies.
OK! I'm taking the initiative, understanding your
profound interest and anxiety, to send you a copy of my
response to Victoria in which you'll certainly find a few
answers... in regards to your honest, smart and most clever
questions.
Also, Sir John, please feel free to join my list and that
will be easier for me to show you what I know. I gave the
formula on how to join, in the paper to Victoria.
Sincerely hoping to see you there... and about the true
nature of dreams, this has been clearly outlined in the
Bardo Thodol, a book which Carl Jung did not have the
intellectual capacity to understand anything...
"May it come that the Realms of the Buddhas be seen,
Grasping the True nature of dreams, May I train myself in
the clear Light of the Miraculous Transformation. May I
recognise whatever appareth as being my own Spiritual Forms,
May I know them to be Apparitions... May the Trinity be
realised. Let it come that I obtain the Non-Forgetting
Intellect and "remember" my past life (or lives).
O procrastinating one, who thinketh not of the coming of
death, Devoting thyself to the useless doings of this life,
Improvident art thou in dissipating thy great opportunity;
Mistaken, indeed, will thy purpose be now if thou returnest
empty-handed from this life.
When the apparitions of the Peaceful and Wrathful forms are
dawning upon me here, Let it come that I, obtaining the
assurance of fearlessness, may I recognize the Bardo."
(Some of the words of Guru Padma Sambhava, Lung-ta's Rider,
Tibet, 8th century A.D., extracted from "Root Verses" of
"The Bardo Thodol")
Welcome to the Realm of the Buddhas, Sir John! and
remember that the people who don't believe in the right
thing which is in God and the existence of the other world
will have a funny surprise when they get to the other side.
:)
Anyways, these dreams of Victoria are priceless dreams of
universal magnitude... and good for everyone to see.
Best Regards and Many Thanks,
Gerald
== Response by Gdaoust to Victoria (990302) ==
Subject: OverView of Hells
Dear Victoria,
thank you for your kind reply and interest in you dream,
which I want to thank you for because it is not everyday
that someone brings a fresh warning from Hell... and you're
such a good dreamer... and have so much influence in your
time and age that you got chosen for that one. :)
You seem to think that you are are in control in your
dreams, and that your dreams are illusions created from your
universal unconsciousness or whatever? I would like you to
review again your dream, and you tell me if the heat
generated by the flames was part of your creative
imagination?
>Subject: dark horse and fire.
>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:47:03 +1100
>
>I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over
swirling fire lately.
>
>I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined
to get over it.
>
"For our God is a consuming Fire."( Hebrews 12, 29)
What about the Horse's smell and the draft in the face?
Do you wish to tell me that you think that you could have
written this scenario when you could not write fast enough
to describe all the feelings of reality which you
experienced simultaneously in the dream!! :)
"The Lord(Christos)shall be revealed with his mighty angel
in flaming fire." (2 Thessalonians 1,7-8)
That was a visit into the other world, Victoria, and to
your final destiny, on the Wings of Destiny... but, if you
really have the strong determination to cling to the Horse
and learn everything about it, the final outcome may turn
out to be totally different. It all depends of you only.
You see, Victoria, this Horse on which you flew has been
know as the Divine Psychopompos, the Spiritual Machine that
takes people from this world to the other... to Olympus or
Hades... as Franz Cumont says in "Lux Perpetua" on p.292 and
288 respectively...
"The Emperors were supposed to become after their death
the companions of the Sun Invincible... "Sol Invictus", just
as they had been his proteges during their lifetime, and
conducted by him (Pegasus) towards the eternal vaults. And
these are not their emphatical flatteries, inspired to court
poets by servile adulation. This deification, obtained
through the intermediary of the Sun, making place to the
Sovereign on the Chariot of the Sun, remained an Article of
Faith, right up to the end of paganism." (292)
"It is therefore doubtless that Pegasus was regarded as an
agile psychopompos, which, in an audacious flight, lifted
right up to the height of the stellar vaults of heaven the
privileged mortals who had obtained to reside over there
forever. The Mythology consecrated Pegasus to the Sun and it
was towards this Aster that he was bringing back the souls
to which he had given life and was calling them to him."
(288)
"It is the reason why this Pegasus-Saviour has been
represented alone, even without Rider, as a symbol of
Immortality."
... but as it can take people to Heaven it can also take
them to Hell and to illustrate what it is, here is a little
story... of the Buddha as the Winged-Horse himself as
related in several stories of the Jatakas, or Stories of
Buddha's Previous Lives... for instance, in No.196, in Book
#2, pages 89-90 and 91, is a particularly good example, of
which the following is a little extract...
"Valahassa-Jataka"
"Now, at that time the Bodhisatta had come into the
World as a flying horse,... possessed of supernatural power,
able to fly through the air"... The rest of the story tells
about the fate of those who believed in the Horse, some 250
people in the story, and clinged to it as you did in your
dream Victoria finally went to heaven and those who didn't
unfortunately, went to Hell!.
The Master now said, addressing the Brethren: "Brethren,
even as those persons perished by falling into the hands of
goblins, but the others by obeying the behest of the
Wonderful Horse each returned safe home (spiritual world)
again; so, even so, they who neglect the advice of the
Buddhas, both Btrethren and Sisters, lay Brethren and lay
Sisters (Ghosts), come to great misery in the four hells,
places where they are punished under the five fetters, and
so forth. But those who abide by such advice come to the
three kinds of fortunate birth, the six heavens, and
reaching the state of imperishable Nirvana, they attain
great blessedness."
"Then, becoming perfectly enlightened, he recited the
following verses...
"They who will neglect the Buddha when he tells them what
to do,
As the goblins ate the merchants, likewise they shall
perish too."
"They who harken to the Buddha when he tells them what to
do,
As the Bird-Horse saved the merchants, they shall win
salvation too."
When the Master had ended this discourse, he declared the
Truths, and identified the Birth:- "The Buddha's followers
were the 250 who followed the advice of the Horse and I, was
the Horse myself."
(On a one side of a pillar in a Buddhist railing, at
Mathura, India, is a Flying Horse with people clinging to
it, perhaps intended for this scene... which is supposed to
be illustrated in a certain "Catalogue of the Indian Museum"
by Anderson, I, p.189.)
...many other stories finish the same way #23, #
206... sometimes the Horse is called Swift-as-the-Wind... in
others Windswift... or Sindh Horse...# 24 for example...
which ends by "... and I the Perfect Buddha was the Horse of
those Days."
You may not believe this Victoria, but this Horse, is the
Buddha himself, or Allah if you prefer...
"The Ascending Stairways, revealed at Mecca, in the name
of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful." 1. A questioner
questioned about the doom to fall 2. Upon the disbelievers,
which none can repel, 3. From Allah the Lord of the
Ascending Stairways 4. The Angel and the Spirit ascend unto
Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.
(Qu'ran, Surah 70,1-4)
...and as far as I'm concerned, Victoria, the Horse is
overflying you above and showing you the dangerous "soul and
ghostly dream body destruction area"...
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but who cannot
kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy
both soul and body in Hell." (Mat. 10,28)
.... because your beliefs are wrong and consequently that
will be your reward and doom if you don't change... as
clearly outlined in Rev.20,15-15 and 22,6...
> The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name
>was not found written in
>the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
>6 The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and
>true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets,
>sent his angel to show his servants
>the things that must soon take place.
Do you, Victoria, want to know why? The answer is in
Rev.20,10 and 21,8...
>10 And the devil, who deceived them, was
>thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and
>the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented
>day and night for ever and ever.
>8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the
>murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic
>arts, the idolaters and all liars-their place will be in
>the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second
>death.
You see, it is because you're Jungian and therefore
automatically an idolater and false prophet... because you
distort the meaning of dreams by not acknowledging the
existence of your ghost body, nor the ghosts of departed
like Michael Hutchence, or Jesus or any dead who make
apparitions in dreams and you don't recognise nor honour
them. In other words, you are rejecting them and make people
falsely believe that they, the spiritual beings who appear
in dreams, are mere illusions. Too bad so sad! :)
"Now Allah has created the dream not only as a means of
guidance and instruction, I refer to the true dream, but he
has made it as a window on the World of the Unseen. "
(Prophet Mohammed, Arabia, 7th century A.D.)
It is true, because Carl Jung was a false prophet who did
not know anything about dreams, nor about God, nor about the
Holy Scriptures, nor about the supratemporality of the soul,
nor about the other world. For instance you can see how
contradicting he can be just carefully read his commentary
of the Bardo Thodol if you wish? I've read nonsense and this
is the best of what I have ever read in the stupid
"nonsense" category.
All you need to verify this, dear Victoria, is for you to
obtain a copy of the Bardo Thodol or The Tibetan Book of the
Dead which is a landmark of oneiric science and a a most
wonderful spiritual guide. Actually, compiled and edited by
W.Y. Evans-Wentz, published by Oxford University Press, in
1927 of which exist several reprints ...and which from the
third edition up contains a so-called Psychological
Commentary of your yukky Dr. Carl G. Jung.
If you have this book, please let me know. If you don't,
please try to obtain it... because this book is unique among
the sacred books of the world.
As Dr. Jung said in his (1938) Psychological Commentary...
"Thus far the Bardo Thodol is, as Dr. Evans-Wentz also
feels, an initiation process whose purpose it is to restore
to the soul the divinity it lost at birth."
"I am sure that all who read this book with open eyes, and
who allow it to impress itself upon them without prejudice,
will reap a rich reward."
... but the same guy, who could never understand this book
actually also said all kinds of stupid things about it going
as far as categorically contradicting himself which is kind
of his own total confusion trademark when it comes to
dreams... because this fantastic book explains that by...
"Grasping the true nature of dreams, one may obtain the
non-forgetting intellect to remember his previous lives..."
... but Jung never spoke of this and in this regard
declared... in the second sentence of the third paragraph,
of page "xliii", his idea...
"According to the Eastern view, KARMA implies a sort of
psychic theory of heredity based on the hypothesis of
reincarnation, which in the
last resort is an hypothesis of
the supratemporality of the soul. Neither our scientific
knowledge nor our reason can keep in step with this idea.
There are too many if's and but's. Above all, we know
desperately little about the possibilities of continued
existence of the individual soul after death, so little that
we cannot even conceive how anyone could prove anything at
all in this respect. Moreover, we know only too well, on
epistomological grounds, that such a proof would be just as
impossible as the proof of God."
... also, on page li, in the middle paragraph, which
begins by...
"The degenerative character of the Bardo life..." ...
gives another clear idea of his own degenerate point of
view... which he openly confirms in his last words, in his
last 2 sentences on page lii ... where he declares that the
Bardo Thodol is a mere "USELESS" book meant for "Queer
Folks"!
What a stupid self-contradicting dummy?! I love idiots like
him... they make me laugh a lots! :)
It's not everybody who can interpret dreams, Victoria....
as stated by Joseph, the oneiromancer who eventually saved
Egypt from famine, in Genesis 40,8, in reply to the
cupbearer and baker of the Pharaoh... who could not find
anyone to interpret their dreams...
"Do not dreams' interpretations belong to God? Tell me
your dreams."
... because it takes someone well trained to understand
the magic of dreams and the world where we go in dreams and
thats where the train comes in because on was on this train
that I received most of my teachings about the other world.
I was on this train at least hundred times... and the ghosts
in it were playing tricks to me all the time... and was
carried on it as a prisonner so many times... but the old
Locomotive also broke down on the way and I was called to
fix it, because I'm a mechanical engineer and the ghosts
could not. I also fed the fire of its kettle and even broke
the Locomotive once too. It doesn't matter, that's where I
learned that Ghosts were well alive. Oh! Yes! I have several
hundreds of ghosts and I guess that we could not all fly on
the Winged-Horse at the same time... a train is better... as
stated in Psalms 68,18... from the New International Bible.
"When you ascended on high, you led captives in your
train..."!!!
and then 68,20...
"Our God is a god who saves; from the Sovereign Lord comes
escape from death."
and then 68,32-33... "Sing to God... to him who rides the
ancient sky above..."
Also in Isaiah 6 right at the beginning...
"I saw the the Lord seated on a Throne, high and exhalted,
and the train of his robe filled the Temple. Above him were
Seraphs, each with ...wings... and with which they were
flying. And they were calling to one another... "Holy! Holy!
is the Lord Almighty." :)
... just to show you that this Horse on which you were is
the Angel or Spirit of the Lord!!
Now, you come with me, I will show you everything about
this Horse of Salvation to which you should sincerely cling
to with all your determination... in order to end up at the
right place after you die.
The only thing that you need to know is everything about
that Horse... which just happens to be the Angel of the
Lord... Regent of Heaven as well as the Presider over
Tartarus... the King of the Other World... and quite ugly as
the Ruler of Hell...
"For thy God is a consuming Fire, even a jealous God."
(Deuteronomy 4,24)
"Wherefore we receiving a Kingdom which cannot be moved,
let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with
reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming Fire."(
Hebrews 12, 28-29)
Anyways, who wants to hear about the Antique Science of
the Airy-Horse?... possibly the correct knowledge, Bodhi, to
eternal life?... the knowledge of the Other World which we
visit in dreams?
Come with me Victoria, because I just happen to know
about that Horse very well... and if you are determined to
know the truth, I'll be glad to tell you everything about
this Horse and dreams... but it will take about 85 days...
because I had a dream yesterday which told me that I had 85
days of caravaning to do... and that will take us to about
the 24th of June. :)
So, if you are determined to cling to the Horse, I'll
share with you and anyone interested the Antique Science of
the Horse of the Universal Monarch... and then your visions
or visits into the other realm will greatly improve. :)
BTW, Victoria, I lately organised a little Quiz for the
Seniors, the people who have been following the Horse a
little while to find out if they believed into the existence
of this Horse and consequently in God and the Other World
and I received a reply which might be of interest to you, if
you wish to know if that Horse really exists...
From: M
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:49:09 EST
Subject: Gerald's Quiz
In regards to Gerald's question as to whether or not the
Winged-Horse of the spiritual world really exists, I would
have to answer a resounding YES. Why on earth, otherwise,
would so many people from around the world, for eons and
eons, have the same types of dreams (and live to record them
for posterity)? Just as an example, here are several of my
own which bear repeating:
"Revelation" by Myst
God, in (male) human form, was going around the town telling
everyone to meet at a specific time, at a certain place on
the following day. We (my family) gathered up food (roasted
chicken), clothes and whatever items we could fit into a
small bag to take with us. The place we were to all meet at
had stadium type seating built into a hillside, overlooking
a lake or ocean. The next day arrived and we hurried to get
into our seats. Far up in the sky, off to my right, the
clouds began rolling furiously, turning this way and that
and they were in beautiful colors of melon and gold. Amidst
the clouds came God, riding in a white chariot, pulled by a
white horse. There was a mermaid standing behind him
wearing a green sequined mermaid type outfit. As we sat
there waiting for God to pass above us and take us either to
heaven or hell, I said to the people on either side of me,
"I wonder if I'll go to heaven? I've never killed anybody
and I'm truly sorry for anyone's feelings I've ever hurt."
Although I had already seen and heard God speak (in the
flesh), I was afraid that I wasn't worthy enough to meet him
face to face and by all rights, he should shun me. In an
instant, people were gone from the stands, some to heaven
(me) and some to hell. Others were left behind, like my
sister, so that they could stay on earth and start a family
before God came back for them in three years time.
(11/13/97)
'The Surrogate' by Myst
I was with another person and a horse in a room (either a
hotel or an office). The only piece of furniture in the
room was a couch. I am there because I was chosen to be
inseminated by the horse so as to bring another of its kind
(mystical) into the world (actually, another person had been
chosen before me, but they later declined the offer). I
think that there can only be one such horse at a time. As I
sit there on the couch with the other person (who hasn't
spoken and who I can't recall whether or not they're male or
female at this point), I wonder what I've gotten myself
into. The horse is standing in front of us (brown in
color). How will this be done, I wonder? Will the horse
climb on the couch and stand over me? I'm beginning to doubt
my own part in this. Now I'm sitting on the floor, next to
the horse. The procedure must take place at a certain time
of day. Now it seems (more) like we're in an office, in an
office building. There is some commotion going on in an
office down the hall. I rush over to see what's happening.
I'm wearing a lime green suit (skirt and jacket) and I have
a 10" screwdriver in my hand (the one I use to fix the water
sprinklers). I have a matching scarf on my head which I rip
off as I reach the other office. People are looking for
Vanessa (I can't remember her last name though it's painted
on the door). She's blonde, in her 20's and has long wavy
hair. Apparently she's killed her boss. I worry that
people will think I did it with the screwdriver and hide it
in my scarf. Now I'm back with the other person and the
horse. Our room has a glass wall. The (white) couch is
next to the wall of glass. It overlooks the ocean. The
time is getting nearer. I ask the person (Roma
Downey/Touched By An Angel) how I become inseminated, more
importantly, where (for some reason, I keep thinking 'the
top of my head' and imagine this goop dripping down my
face). She says, I can't tell you that. I demand to know.
She says, "In your ears." I say, "No way. I don't think
so." Then I ask her, "will it improve my hearing?" I think
at this point, Roma is the horse morphed into a person.
Next she tells me that afterward, my feet will get larger.
But I love my small feet, I think to myself. Then she shows
me two horses hooves. One is normal size and the other a
half size larger. First she shows me the bottom of the
hooves. The smaller one has a V shaped groove in it from
which she scrapes out some gelatinous type stuff, I believe
this to be the insemination material. The larger hoof, that
of the magical horse, she shows me the top of; it is
brightly colored enamal (cloisonne) in a large abstract (but
all rounded curves) design in shades of deep pink and
passion purple. It's beautiful. I would be honored to be
decorated as such. Roma is now sitting on the couch. I'm
standing behind her. There is one tiny area on her hair
(like hair coloring) at the bottom, that is rubbing off on
her skin. I wipe it away. It's now 3:00 pm. She says,
"It's time. It's getting dark." She says 'it's getting
dark' twice. I look outside. It appears overcast, kind of
like it gets on Good Friday (I think to myself). I'm not
sure if I am to become this new magical horse or if I am
just a conduit for its birth. (8/10/98)
'Winged Leader' by Myst
I had driven to a house. I went inside and found a man.
The man was (Dr D as) a Tibetan monk of revered status. We
stood at the kitchen window as he dried the dishes. He wore
off white clothing. The kitchen too was white. Everything
we communicated was done via telepathy. I sensed that he
was unhappy with my having material possessions and
communicated back to him, "Oh, Winged Leader, the vehicle
does not belong to me." I felt he thought I was a braggart
for arriving in style. This pained me immensely as the last
thing I would want to do is flaunt my possessions in
anyone's face. (3/11/98)
and last but not least...........the simplest dream of all:
"Beware" by Myst
I'm reading a book and the only passage from it that I can
recall is: "Beware the second coming of the horse."
(8/13/98)
(comments): I have to say, for whatever reason, that one
woke me right up!
So, do I believe in the Winged-Horse? Oh my yes!
*****************
So, dear Victoria, if you want to learn about things which
Carl Jung could never understand, join my MorpheusDreams
list and be my guest, along with anybody else who would feel
like joining and I'm thinking of Sir Jay E. Vinton who asked
very interested as well as interesting questions also and by
joining into my list you'll eventually get to know about
everything which very few humans know about. :)
To join, simply use the following...
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/MorpheusDreams
... and I will share with all of you this Antique Science
of the Horse-Angel most swiftly...
"Vishnu will return as Kalki, the last Avatar, on the Horse
amid fire and flame, blazing like a comet." (Kalki Purana)
"Sosiosh, will be brought down on a Horse in a "tornado of
fire." (Magian Zend-Avesta)
"And I saw heaven open and behold a white horse, and he that
sat upon him....is called the Word of God...amid flaming
fire (thunder and lightning)... (Rev.19, 11)
"The Lord(Christos) shall be revealed with his mighty angel
in flaming fire." (2 Thessalonians 1,7-8)
***************
This is just to say, one more time, dear Victoria, this
Horse on which you rode is the Spirit of God and if it
decided that it was time to fly you above Hells, it's
because it is of crucial importance for you and anyone else
who has wrong beliefs... which lead to Hell... and for your
info, this Flying Horse is the Seal of the Living God!!!
You have nothing to loose and what are a few days of
training into the Highest Science of All in order to obtain
the everlasting reward of heavenly blissful life eternal?
"Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most
profitable, and passing all other sciences, for to learn to
die. .... I shall give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine;
the which shall profit thee greatly to the beginning of
Ghostly Health, and to a stable fundament of all virtues."
(Orologium Sapientiae- from "The Book of the Craft of Dying"
... Comper's Edition)
We don't die after death, we only get transformed...
"Are you not in error because you do not know the
Scriptures or the power of God? When the dead rise... they
will be like the angels in heaven." (Words of Jesus in Mark
12,24-25)
"Thou shalt exist for longer than a million million years,
an era of millions." Egyptian Book of the Dead, Chapter
175.
"See!,the Lord is coming with Fire, and his Chariots are
like a whirlwind." ( Isaïah 66:15)
.... Yes, this is true...
"Yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly, that thou shalt be
visited by the Lord of Hosts... with storm and
tempest...shall be as a dream of a night vision." (Isaiah
29, 5-7)
...and welcome everyone, and please forgive my
shortcomings in my reply because I cannot explain this vast
science in two little minutes.
Thank You, thank you very much,
Gerald
== Commentary by gdaoust on Another Vision of Hells
(990304)==
Dear Dreamers,
this following dream is another vision of Hells or
actually of a presence in Hells which was posted at Waking
World a while back.
It shows the same place of which was overflown by
Victoria on the Psychopompos.... but here we get a closer
look and feeling...
A Disturbing Dream...What Does it Mean??????
This entry submitted by Black Rose on 7/8/97.
I am under water that is clear, holding the man I love. We
are not drowning, we do not need to breathe. He is saying
something. Then we are floating. Then there is fire
everywhere. He is being pulled into the flames, so am I but
we are being pulled in opposite directions. Then there is
fire all around me. It is hot... it seems that this is my
fault. Where is he??...
************
Where the Hell are we? :D
...the verdict of this dream is clear... these people have
committed something which hurted lots of people in their
familial surroundings.
Can anybody see what they did?
In any cases, Hells are Hot... Fire Consuming Hot! :)
Oh! don't worry, I also have pleasant visions of Heavens
too... but the pleasant visions of Heaven are not the ones
influencing people at doing good... they are the ones of
Hells... where souls and the ghosts bodies risk to suffer
for eternity. :)
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but who cannot
kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy
both soul and body in Hell." (Mat. 10,28)
Thank You,
Gerald
PS:Take the time to check the following out...
"For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man
perceiveth not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when
deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
then he openeth the ears of men, (terrifies them with
warnings) and sealeth their instruction.... to preserve his
soul from going down into the bottomless pit."
"His flesh wastes away to nothing, and his bones, once
hidden now stick out. His soul draws near to the pit and his
life to the Messengers of Death." (Job 33, 21-22)
"Yet if there is an angel on his side as an
"Interpreter"(of dreams), one out of a thousand, to tell a
man what is right for him, to be gracious to him and say,
"Spare him, from going down to the pit; I have found a
ransom for him."
...then his flesh his renewed like a child's; it is RESTORED
AS IN THE DAYS OF HIS YOUTH."
(Extracts from Job 33,15-25... but I would recommend
everybody to read the whole of Job 33.)
> Subject: tolerance Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:45:21 +1100
Is there anything in the Bible about Tolerance, Kindness
and Love????
mermaid
From: gdaoust
Subject: Nice Evasive Reply-Question Victoria
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:30:27 -0800 (PST)
Dear Victoria,
thank you very much for for your clever reply...
>Is there anything in the Bible about Tolerance, Kindness
and Love????
...which I guess you addressed to me? :)
Yes! of course! Why the Hell do you think the Flying
Horse took you for a visit over the bottomless pits? That's
because He loves you and he is being kind to you to show you
that and most tolerant too... because He let you stay on his
back!!!
Do you go horseback riding often, Victoria? I mean in the
material reality?
Let me inform you of a few things here since you are not
too familiar with the Holy Scriptures which tell everything
about the true nature of dreams and the identity of this
Horse which took you for a ride above the worst place of the
Spiritual Realm.
If you'd take a few minutes to investigate the
Scriptures, you'd soon discover that this Psychopompos as it
has referred to is The Holy Spirit of the Creator!!! In
other words, God in his Eternal Spiritual Form... or
Spiritual Body... and that was not an illusion!!!
I know that you are a very good person, Victoria, being
kind to children and animals and birds... and the Angelical
Bird-Horse took you for a ride to remove all your doubts in
regards to the existence of the Other World to which you
aspire for eternity beyond death. You see, its main
objective is to inculcate rightful knowledge into you...
which is the knowdledge of the the Other World and its
inhabitants... because that part of yours which flew on the
Horse at several occasions is not the material part of you
which was sleeping in the bed. That's clear.
Now, the life principle of that Holy Beast, is the
Primordial Soul of the Universe and you should consider
yourself divinely priviledged to realise that It cares for
you enough to show you the fate of those who fail to
recognise the existence of the Creator... who consists of a
Trinity... which makes him hard to be pinpointed down
because you need to be made aware of his different forms and
manifestations... but generally speaking you can say... that
He is The Horse... The Chariot of Israel... The Throne of
God... and there is a Man on Earth right now who is animated
by the same soul which animates simultaneously that Horse on
which you were granted some repetitive rides... for you to
remember them good... because what you saw...
"He is the image of the invisible God, the First-Born over
all Creation. For by Him all things were created; things in
Heaven and on Earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones
or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created
by him and for him. He is before all things and in him all
things hold together. And he is the the head of the body,
the Church; He is the Beginning and the First-Born among the
Dead, so that in everything he might have the Supremacy."
(Colossians 1,15-18)
... and that all the Holy Scriptures tell about... and
that trip indicates...
"...He has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the
Saints in the Kingdom of Light. For he has rescued us from
the Dominion of Darkness and brought us into the
Kingdom...." (Colossians 1, 12-13)... in the context of he
knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and
understanding which is the knowledge of God... (Colossians
1,9-10)... and of his Kingdom..."
Now, if you love the Creator and are determined to get
down to the truth you'll understand that when it comes to
Love you should always be grateful towards the Creator for
having giving you, as well as all the creatures of the
Creation the breath of life which animates you... as well as
all the ones that you love... because as Jesus said about
Ultimate Love...
"Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone
loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For
everything in the world - the cravings of sinful man, the
lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does -
comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and
its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God
lives forever." (1 John 2,15-17) ... and when it comes
to evolution which is sparked by true spirituality you
should be proud of having flown on the back of the Creator
and to illustrate I will give a dream to look into...
============
Dear MDs, I had this dream two nights ago it is kind
of long and as soon as i woke up from it i wrote it down...
Also, i think that this dream has a lot to do with Morpheus
and Gerald. I must tell you that i have dreamt a lot more
lately since i've meet Gerald and would think that this
holds true for all of us. Ok, i am sorry if this dream skips
but if i put it in any order i would then distort it, so i
wrote it down the way i remembered it..
ok so here it is......
***********************
I woke up and got dressed thinking i was on time for class
and as i'm waiting for the elevator, i see a whole bunch of
people in the student lounge. So i walk in and this girl
says to me "you missed class".. and then my little sister
walks into the room and says.. "aissa, i don't have time to
talk to you, they pulled me out of class for this..." Then
i see the resident hall's assistant named Sam and she has a
bunch of papers in her hand.. and everyone gathers around
her in a circle... She says to everyone that these papers
are bad student reports from the teacher and if we don't get
one we can leave. So she starts handing out these papers and
she gives one to my little sister, then to the rest, and i'm
the last person ... but instead of giving me the papers she
gave everyone else she gave me a vanilla folder with a whole
bunch of papers inside. I start to walk out looking
through this folder and i say to her "Sam, these are all
good reports why did you give these to me." and she says
"sorry.. that is what they gave me." So i walk out of the
room and start looking through these papers and i realize
their all confidential and i'm not suppose to be seeing
them..and i also notice a neon orange paper that i pull to
the front of the stack and begin reading: (this is how the
paper looked like the question marks is where i can't
remember exactly what it said, also it was handwritten)
-------------------------------------------------------
Date (?)
To (?)
Dr. Darwinus (wrote) I sit here waiting for my
cappucino machine to finish, knowing that you want the same
old. On the topic of Aissa, she out of all my students has
the most potential. And i know what you are thinking, No!
she is the student most like myself. Ready to embrace the
world with tangent sarcasm but, yet lively and new... <and
that is all i can remember exactly without guessing, also on
the bottom of the page there was an inscription.. that i
read like this, but it wasn't written the way i read it>
<ok i read it like this> She who awaits the Airy Horse
to be forgiven (by the given). <but it was written like
this> (by the given) to be forgiven the awaits who She
Airy Horse
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I began to read this letter over and over, and while i'm
doing this i began to have flashes intermingled with
thoughts <and i can only list them not knowing what thought
or flash came first>
1) I saw a picture of Dr. Darwinus, that i still remember
very vividly. In the description of him, he was a middle age
man with a thick black beard, <he looked a lot like Al from
Home Improvement the tv series> he was chubby with a pot
belly and thick black hair. He had on a plade shirt, brown
pants, and a jacket that didn't come together.. but hung on
him. He was sitting on the arm of a couch with his right
side facing me and the rest of his body and head turned
front wards looking east. There was a man sitting also, on
the arm of the coach to his left..looking in the same
direction. This man looked identical to him but had gray
hair... so i thought to myself 'this must be his father.' To
the left of the Dr. was a brown grandfather clock behind the
coach. to the right of the clock was a window that was half
open that over look a bunch of trees that leaves were red
and orange. In front of the couch was a mahogney end table.
And for some reason i thought both men were watching tv.
2)i saw a high school friend named Matt who was arguing
with DR. about getting into the classroom, and the Dr. stood
in front of the door telling Matt 'No, you don't want to do
that'
3)I'm standing by a desk talking to the Dr. about Matt
saying that i am worried about him.
4)I am laying on the cement ground with <a women that
looked like my academic advisor, middle age, mid-easter, boy
cut short brown hair.> She was embracing me and we are
looking up at the sky and she was saying that she was so
happy for me. Like i was her child, but still her student.
She way saying that i was going off somewhere to do
something.. giving words of encouragement and telling me how
proud she was.
5) the Dr. is sitting down with Matt, somewhere, talking to
him about change. and that you can always change people's
perception of you. Something about Matt's sexual identity
and also, words of encouragement.
6) The Dr. arguing with Matt again not to go into the
classroom. Matt pushes by him and locks Dr. out of the room.
I'm inside the classroom sitting in a chair. And I noticed
Matt is in some kind of disguise (which i think he thought
others wouldn't notice him) but it was a really bad
disguise. And he walks into the classroom not making it past
the teachers desk.. when people in the class start asking
him questions:
a) a blonde girl asked "why is your nose painted red"
b)"Aren't you Matt, why you dressed like that?" ask
another
c) "You look like a clown," yells someone from the
back.
And Matt gets really noticablly sad and he picks up th
student list from the teacher's desk and starts reading off
the names of the students, an dismisses them from class one
by one. And as the first student walks out the door the Dr.
rushes in..
7)i'm talking to the Dr. again, in the classroom, alone and
saying that i think Matt will commit suicide.
8) I see two flashes of me walking down the crowded
hallways at school <but it wasnsn't really my school> and i
see the Dr. on both occasions walking toward me like he was
on the way to class, and he would smile at me and bow his
head.. as a hello.
9)I'm reading over the letter again and think to myself..
'maybe i should show this to Gerald..' then i think 'no show
him a teacher's report.'
10) Now i'm reading the Airy Horse sentence over again and
realize the way it was written and not the way i was reading
it. And i think to myself 'i should definetly show this to
Gerald'.. then i think of Gerald, and Dr. Darwinus ... and
start thinking to myself 'what is this a secret cult of the
Airy Horse?'
11) I came back into my room and see that my clock says its
1pm and i think to myself 'it is too dark outside for it to
be afternoon', then i feel this dread come over me and start
thinking 'damn! i missed class... i don't even understand
statistics anyways..' on and on. As i realize that i'm
really thirsty and walk to my refregirator reaching for a
bottle of Diet Coke <and i woke up finding myself, drinking
out of can of Diet Coke, i had placed by my bed before i
feel asleep> 1/25/99 3:43am
********************
Ok! there it is, i warned you it would be long...this dream
was so vivid and real to me that for a second when i was a
awake i thought it really happened.. untill i remembered i
saw my little sister.. then i quickly grabbed a pen and
wrote it down..
Best Wishes, Aissa
==========================
Anyways, dear Victoria, you must remember the other dream
of Aissa A..?
Regardless, here is the part of my interpretation which
concerns the Horse...
Really, this is a funny one because it appeared that it
was Dr. Darwinus who wrote this Orange "Rising Sun"
Report... but if we look carefully we will see that it is in
fact the Airy-Horse and by hand... which implies that the
Airy-Horse is a human in the flesh... because the way that
Horses are made, they have some difficulty to write
anything!! :) And did you take the time to look at this most
wonderful signature?
><ok i read it like this>
>
> She who awaits the Airy Horse to be forgiven (by the
given).
>
> <but it was written like this
> >
> (by the given)
> to be forgiven
> the awaits who She
> Airy Horse
Hey! this is purely magical here... did you see that...
the Airy-Horse is so passiontely wild and writes so
wonderful things... and by the way would you have any idea
who is "The Given"????
The Airy-Horse is the Spirit of the Creator... that means
the Creator in his Eternal and Everlasting Spiritual
Form.... and more time for your own benefit... gave his Son
to the World... because "The Given"... is God's own Gift of
Himself in the Flesh!! What a most beautiful Act of Love!!:)
And you know, there is a most important Revelation in this
extra-ordinary dream of Lady Aissa.... which is the
Remembrance of the Secret Divine Cult of the Airy-Horse!!!
However, in order to reassure people a little since I
fully realise that many of you are afraid of the words...
such as the word CULT... but you shouldn't... because if
you'd dare to open your dictionary you would discover that
the correct definition of the word "Cult" simply is...
"An Homage rendered to a Divinity or to a Holy or Saint
Personage."!!
OK? What is the problem? Are you afraid of Saints? Nothing
to be afraid of because Saints are good persons, usually the
embodiements of Angels and Great Guides!!
Now, to complete this little definition what is an Homage?
And again from the dictionary... an Homage simply is...
"A Mark of Esteem and Respect towards a powerful personage.
A respectful gift or offering or an act by which a person
was recommending himself to this personage and usually
accompanied by a serment of fidelity. Also, an homage is a
Duty of respectuous Civility."
Hence, the Cult of the Airy-Horse... is simply the fidel
recognition of the Airy-Horse as the Holy Spirit of the
Creator!!.. and if everybody would get into the Cult of the
Airy-Horse as civilisations did in the past, we'd soon have
a New World... a nice Bright Sunshiny One, instead of the
Dark one in which we presently live which even Dark at 1PM
as noticed by Aissa as this dream was closing in... and a
Peaceful one in which it would be nice for everyone "equally
treated" to live in!!
Do you think that it could be all that bad if the Cult of
The Airy-Horse or the Cult of the Creator would again, as it
was in the past everywhere in every single civilisations,
come into fashion?
******************
Anyways, Victoria, there is to my eyes nothing wrong in
knowing what the Creator is and there is no shame nor
disgrace in recognising the Creator and to say thanks
because if it was not of his love none of us would exist. :)
There is something wonderful which is occuring right now
which is the fullfilment of the World Prophecies and which
is the cause of all your dreams and especially these last
ones...
"For the Days of the Lord are coming..... . And
it shall come to pass afterward, saith God, that I will pour
out my Spirit (My Winged-Horse) on all flesh; and your sons
and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream
dreams, your young men shall see visions. Even on
my servants and handmaidens I will pour out, in those days,
my Spirit; and they shall prophesy."
(Words of the Lord himself revealed to the prophet
Joël preserved in Joël 2.28-30 in the Old Testament and, due
to their crucial importance, repeated in the New Testament
in Acts 2.16-18.)
***********
So, now, Victoria, please re-orient yourself and begin
telling telling people about the true nature of dreams and
transmit the word of God faithfully and everything will be
fine... because... "When the dead rise... they will be
like the angels in heaven." (Words of Jesus in Mark
12,24-25)
Mermaid -
Subject: "She'll be apples" dream
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998
"During the late afternoon, I was walking with my family
around our orchard full of apple trees laden with ripe
fruit. We were staying in the country, at my father's
"estate". The saxophone player from INXS was with us for the
evening meal. He seemed a sad man who didn't know his own
value. We were all avoiding the issue of Michael Hutchence,
whose ghost I could see behind him."
**************
What do I need to add, Victoria? As a great dreamer, you
seen both Heaven and Hell... and it is with correct
knowledge that we walk into the Other World, because
ignorance is the mother of all sins and the cause of all the
miseries of the material and spiritual!!!
And besides, if people would look at it closer, they would
realise that will the fullfilment of the world prophecies...
which would be the universal recognition of God... everybody
would be released from Hell... as stated clearly in the Holy
Scriptures... which indicate that this Horse is a Good
Being, the Best of all Friends and for your information the
Mazdeans are presently awaiting for the coming of the last
Amesha-Spenta, Sosiosh, who according to the prophet
Zarathustra would be supposed to come at the end of the
present millenary...
"Sosiosh will be brought down on a white Horse in a tornado
of Fire." (extract from "The Secret Doctrine" by H.P.
Blavatsky, Vol.I, p.87)
According again to their scriptures, Sosiosh, the last
Saviour, will preside at the resurrection of the dead and
the regeneration of mankind, by preparing the ambrosia which
is to render mankind immortal, just as Him.
"Praise to Him, the Merciful Lord who maketh the final
Retribution, and who at the end shall deliver even the
wicked from Hell and restore the whole creation to purity."
(extract from "The Encyclopedia of Religions and Ethics"
Vol.II, p.137b)
It is not complicated, it's only a qustion of
recognition. That's all!
Look again from the Uriel perspective... who is the
Horse and Angel of Light...
Despite his eminence, Uriel was reprobated by the
Church in Rome in the year 745. To illustrate in what high
esteem Uriel was held, we find him described in the 2nd
Book of the Sibylline Oracles as one of the "Immortal
Angels of the Undying God "who, on the day of judgment, will
"break the monstrous bars framed of unyielding and unbroken
adamant of the brazen gates of Hades, and cast them down
straightway, and bring forth to judgment all the sorrowful
forms, yea, of the ghosts of the ancient Titans and of the
Giants, and all whom the flood overtook... and all these
shall he bring to the judgment seat." (Dictionary of Angels,
by Gustav Davidson, Free Press, N.Y, 1975, p.299.)
... can you understand that Victoria?
You see, it is most simple, because this whole thing about
Judgement Day is the other way around because it is all the
people of the Planet who will pass Judgement upon Him... to
decide whether He exists or not, along with his Eternal
Kingdom....
Revelation 1,7...
"Look he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth
will mourn because of him."
... because God is an Immortal and he created everybody to
his own image.
In short, if humans have the intellect to recognise God,
we will soon have a New Heaven and a New Earth... where all
the creatures will live in peace and harmony... in the
both... and when you leave for heaven you'll be received
among the Gods.
From: Sarah LP
Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:14 AM
Subject: the feast
Could anyone tell me what this dream means - I had it about
2 months ago:
I was seated in a stone castle at a huge, long dining table
that was made from something that looked like slate, except
it was very thich and obviously extremely heavy. There were
about 8 to 10 other people sat round, but they were all
about 30 to 40 years older than me (I was 18 at the time).
We were having a pretty jolly time, drinking wine and eating
this huge feast, when I suddenly realised that these people
were the Gods and Goddesses, and that I must be special
because I was the only person there who didn't seem to be a
God. However, it was strange because I really felt like I
belonged and that I'd known these people since the start of
time. They were all really nice to me and I just had a
really great time. When I woke up I felt really secure and
happy, and I also felt extremely well rested, which was
strange but I often wake up feeling very tired - I can't get
to sleep at night until about 4am, however early I've got
up, and when I do get to sleep its always very restless. I
have my own, personal religious beliefs, and none of the
Gods were typical of Jesus or Allah or Buddha. Any input on
what this dream could mean would be much appreciated. slp
***********************
Ain't the gift of Eternal Life a beautiful Act of Divine
Love?"
>She who awaits the Airy Horse to be forgiven (by the
>given)."
Is that Kindness and Tolerance?
Thank you, Victoria, for your kind reply-question.
Best Wishes,
Gerald
** Dream: "white carousel horse" by Mermaid (990314)**
Last night, the formerly dark horse on which I had been
flying responded to scratches behind the ear, and pats, by
becoming creamy coloured with golden edges. A watering can
appeared in the air beside me - a child's red plastic one -
and I used it to sprinkle out the fire below.
The horse was still animate, but had a golden harness and
bridle and a golden barley sugar twist "partial pole" as
though it had been separated from its carnival carousel/
merry-go-round.
== Commentary by gd on "White Carousel Horse" (990316) ==
Dear Dream-Flow Dreamers,
the following was posted yesterday at MorpheusDreams
and relates with Dream-Flow input... so in mutual courtesy
and reciprocity here is what was posted at Morpheus...
Best Regards and Sweet Dreams,
Gerald
*******************
Dear Dreamers,
for those also connected on Dream-Flow, we have some
progression with our most excellent dreamer from Australia,
Mrs. Victoria Q... who just had this most interesting and
most revealing Dream...
From: Victoria Q
Subject: white carousel horse
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:39:06 +1100
White Carousel Horse Mermaid Sat 13March1999
Last night, the formerly dark horse on which I had been
flying responded to scratches behind the ear, and pats, by
becoming creamy coloured with golden edges. A watering can
appeared in the air beside me - a child's red plastic one -
and I used it to sprinkle out the fire below.
The horse was still animate, but had a golden harness and
bridle and a golden barley sugar twist "partial pole" as
though it had been separated from its carnival
carousel/merry-go-round.
---------------
Dear Victoria, this is again a most wonderful dream which
goes as you clearly state with your previous ones of the
Dark Horse...
From: Victoria Q
Subject: dark horse and fire
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:47:03 +1100
I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over
swirling fire lately.
I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined
to get over it.
*************
OK! Dear Victoria and dreamers, as stated earlier, as
soon as you begin to believe in the existence of this
Magical Horse... dreams get to rapidly improve.
Anyways, for all the people here at Morpheus who have
received my Dream Inspired Art exhibition on Friday and for
the few of us on the both lists who received the Dream-Flow
message later on, late Saturday or even Sunday... the
question is...
"What unique Horse in the whole world can transform like
that from Black to White in a Dream?"
The answer to this most childish question, has been
exposed on the Net in all my documentation since 16 months
or so, in my writings for over ten years and has been
preserved in the records of Teutonic Mythology for a few
millenaries. :)
Yes! There is only one Horse which can do that... as
exposed earlier...
"Odin" or "Woden" or "Wotan"... the Rider of Sleipnir...
the magical flying Horse which was venerated just like his
Rider. You may wish to read more about him in "The
Encyclopedia of Mythology" English version from pages 252 to
258... of which these are some interesting extracts... or
parts of such...
"Odin is supposed to be the principal god of the Teutonic
people and has been regarded as such for centuries,
especially among the ancestors of the Germans." (252)
"Odin was armed with a shining breast-plate and a golden
helmet. In his hand he grasped the spear Gungnir... His
Horse, which was sometimes white and sometimes black, which
was able to fly in the air, was the best and Swiftest of all
Stallions... and no obstacle existed that it could not
overcome." (254)
>"His Horse, which was sometimes white and sometimes
black..."
The same passage in regards to its ability to change
colour can be read on page 225 of the french version of the
same Encyclopedia... in the second paragraph dedicated to
Odin, Wodin, Wotan, or whatever you want to call the Highest
Diety or Chief-God of the Teutonic people... who were
smartily venerating this Magical Horse as well as his Divine
Master. Yes!
Allright, back to this Friday the 13th Dream... no-no,
I'm just joking that was Saturday the 13th Dream... ha!
ahaahh! :) ....
...contains all kinds of interesting elements which
appeared as soon as Victoria decided to be affectionate
towards the Magical Horse... some elements which I will
briefly outline and define, beginning with...
>A watering can appeared in the air beside me - a child's
red
>plastic one - and I used it to sprinkle out the fire below.
... and this is most interesting here, because the Fire
below, the Fires of Hells, which is the Fire of the Horse
because this Horse, which is the Eternal Spirit of the Lord,
is the ruler of both Hell and Heaven gives us at least two
clues... the first one belonging to the Solar Birth
Astrology of the Rider which is Scorpio... as outlined in
the book of Revelation in chapter 9...
9
1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star
that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was
given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened
the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic
furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from
the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon
the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the
earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth
or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have
the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given
power to kill them, but only to torture them for five
months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the
sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 During those
days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will
long to die, but death will elude them.
7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On
their heads they wore something like crowns of gold and
their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like
women's hair, and their teeth were like lion's teeth.
9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the
sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses
and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and
stings like scorpions, and in their tails, they had power to
torment people for five months. 11 They have as king over
them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is
Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.
****************
... and of course, this again deals with the Horsemen of
the Apocalypse... you know in the general sense that "He is
The Chariot of Israel and the Horsemen thereof"... as
illustrated in the first 4 Seals described in Revealtion
6....
6 1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven
seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in
a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2 I looked, and there before
me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was
given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on
conquest.
3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second
living creature say, "Come!" 4 Then another horse came out,
a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace
from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was
given a large sword.
5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third
living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me
was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in
his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among
the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a
day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages,
and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of
the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8 I looked and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death
and Hades was following close behind him. They were given
power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine,
and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
**************
.... but as you are aware, you must change this stupid
term of Lamb by Angel, because I cleary exposed before that
the word "Angelus" or Angel had been confused by the
uninspired christian priests with the word "Agnelus"...
which is Lamb and everywhere in the Bible where you come to
the expression Lamb of God you must replace this most
illogic and equally most ignorant stupidity by the correct
term of Angel of God which is this Airy-Horse which was kind
enough to give Victoria a few rides lately.
Anyways, this colour changing Magical Horse can also be
read about in Zechariah 6,2 to 6,5... where they say exactly
the same thing and further add that these Horses which are
actually the only one all the time... is the Spirit(s) of
the Lord... or the Spirit(s) of Heaven, depending on the
version of the Bible that you may possess because there are
only 17 different versions of the Bible and some are more
filled with errors than others. :)
OK! Regardless, this water bucket deals with Astrology...
because it links with a Star which fell from Heaven and this
thing about Scorpio tail... relates to the Scorpio aspect of
the Rider of the Horse which must be born as a
Horse-Scorpio.... and this is what is said about a
"Horse-Scorpio", in Suzanne White's "Original Chinese
Astrology Book" which you can find anywhere... which says...
HORSE-SCORPIO
"The Scorpio stands by, ready to chuck a pail of sensible
water on the Horse's Fire if it decides to rage out of
control. This match is a solid one, Gibraltar never had it
so good. though you may perceive what you think are chinks
in the armour of this Warrior Horse, for him they are mere
scratches. ...... The Horse-Scorpio knows exactly what he is
doing. ..... Even a minor deviation from his path to victory
will be well-calculated to insert itself discretly into his
plan of action. Unlike other Horses, who can be toyed and
tamed by psychological connivance, the Scorpio Horse has no
time for anything so impractical as untarnished virtue. If
the right flank does not get them, then the left will. And
no shilly-shallying now! Hup! One, Two, Three, and Ad
Infinitum..."
******************
Anyways, as you can see, the bucket of Holy Water of the
Faith in the Horse can extinguish the Fires of Hells.... as
well known by the Mazdeans, who are presently awaiting for
the coming of the last Amesha-Spenta, Sosiosh, who according
to the prophet Zarathustra would be supposed to come at the
end of the present millenary...
"Sosiosh will be brought down on a white Horse in a tornado
of Fire." (extract from "The Secret Doctrine" by H.P.
Blavatsky, Vol.I, p.87)
According again to their scriptures, Sosiosh, the last
Saviour, will preside at the resurrection of the dead and
the regeneration of mankind, by preparing the ambrosia which
is to render mankind immortal, just as Him.
"Praise to Him, the Merciful Lord who maketh the final
Retribution, and who at the end shall deliver even the
wicked from Hell and restore the whole creation to purity."
(extract from "The Encyclopedia of Religions and Ethics"
Vol.II, p.137b)
Also, as you may be aware, the oldest Prayer in the
World, addressed to the Swift-Horsed-Sun speaks of this
Angelical Spirit of the Lord as being a Good Being... just
pay attention here to this ancient prayer which is entitled
"Khorshed Yast"... or "Yast to the Sun" and is extracted
from the Zend-Avesta Part II, pages 85 to 87 and translated
by James Damesteter, Motilal Banarsidass, India.
"YAST TO THE SUN "
"Unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun;
Be propitiation, with sacrifice, prayer, propitiation and
glorification.
The will of the Lord is the Law of Holiness...
1. We sacrifice unto the undying, shining,
Swift-Horsed Sun.
When the light of the Sun waxes warmer, when the
brightness of the Sun rises up, then up stand the heavenly
Yazatas, by hundreds and thousands: they gather together its
Glory, they make its Glory pass down, they pour its Glory
upon the Earth made by Ahura, for the increase of the World
of Holiness, for the increase of the Creatures of Holiness,
for the increase of the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun.
2. And when the Sun rises up, then the Earth made
by Ahura, becomes clean; the running waters become clean,
the water of the wells become clean, the standing waters
become clean; all the holy creatures, the creatures of the
Good Spirit, become clean.
3. Should not the Sun rise up, then the Daêvas
would destroy all the things... that are in the seven
Kharvares (Regions of the World), nor would the heavenly
Yazatas find any way of withstanding or repelling them in
the material world.
4. He who offers up a sacrifice unto the undying,
shinning, Swift-Horsed Sun - to withstand darkness, to
withstand the Daêvas born of darkness...to withstand Death
that creeps unseen - offers it up to Ahura Mazda, offers it
up to the Amesha-Spentas, offers it up to his own Soul...as
he benefits them and himself thereby. He rejoices all the
heavenly and worldly Yazatas, who offers up a sacrifice
unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun.
5. I will sacrifice unto Mithra, the Lord of Wide
Pastures, who has a thousand Ears and ten thousand Eyes.
I will sacrifice unto the club of Mithra, the Lord
of Wide Pastures, well struck down upon the skulls of the
Daêvas. I will sacrifice unto that
friendship, the Best of all Friendships, that reigns between
the Moon and the Sun.
6. For his Brightness and Glory, I will offer
unto Him a sacrifice worth being heard, namely, unto the
undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun Unto the undying,
shining, Swift-Horsed Sun, we offer up the libations, the
Haoma and food, the Beresma, the wisdom of tongue, the Holy
Spells, the Speech, the Deeds, the libations and the
rightly-spoken words.
7. The will of the Lord is the Law of
Holiness...
I bless the sacrifice and the invocation,
and the strength and vigor of the undying of the undying,
shining, Swift-Horsed Sun.
Holiness is the best of all good....
Give unto that Man... who is the Swift-Horsed
Sun....Brightness and Glory, give Him Health of Body... give
Him Wealth...give Him the bright, all-happy, blissful abode
of the Holy Ones."
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How beautiful and clearly indicating that this
Winged-Horse is a Good Being, the Best of all Friends... so
what's the problem? :)
Anyways, I must confess that I'm quite surprised to
realise that very few people on this planet ever paid any
attention to the prophecised Coming or Return of God on His
planet or this planet... here is a bit of disorganised
material which a few of you may enjoy to read... in this
regard, from the works of H.P. Blavatsky and Alice.A.
Bailey...
Ok! about H.P. Blavatsky. This woman over a hundred
years ago, in her most famous book, "The Secret Doctrine"
(1888) Vol.1, p.86-87... came really close to disclose the
whole mystery in regards to the Primordial Soul of the
Universe... which incarnations she refers to as "The Sons of
Fire"... and she says... among other things that...
"They are connected with a great primordial and universal
mystery, and it is not easy to make it clear. There is a
passage in the Bhagavadgita (Ch.viii) wherein Krishna,
speaking symbolically and esoterically, says: " I will state
the times... at which devotees departing (from this life) do
so never to return (be reborn), or to return (to reincarnate
again)." "
And, in the context of the Inner Man, which she refers to
in the dream article which you just sent me, she adds... in
regards to the Sons of Fire, which Sankaracharya says that
they are "A Diety which presides over Time". !!!
THEY ARE "A" DIETY... = "He is the Chariot of Israel and
the Horsemen thereof."
"The Agnishwatha, the Kumara (Mystic Sages), are solar
dieties, though the former are Pitris (Ghosts?) also; and
these are the "Fashioners of the Inner Man.". They are:-
"The Sons of Fire" - because they are the first Beings (in
the Secret Doctrine, they are called "Minds")....
... and then, my friends, listen to this, she adds...
"Visnu will return on Kalki, the White Horse, as the Last
Avatar amid fire and flames; and Sosiosh will be brought
down equally on a White Horse in a "tornado of fire." "And I
saw heaven open and behold a White Horse, and he that sat
upon him... is called the Word of God, amid flaming Fire."
(Rev.19,13)"
... and finally she adds that "He is the Manifested Diety -
in its Universality."
So, as you can see, dear dreamers, she came really close to
discover the whole thruth... and if she was here today she
could easily in full confidence declare that the guy who
dreams of Flying on the Winged-Horse is "The Sons of
Fire"!!!
Finally, H.P. Blavatsky, in her 2
of inspiration (because there is 98
transpirational bla-bla in her work)... pinpointed the key
to the whole universal mystery.
However, her only little mistakes is that Kalki is the
Hindu name of the Avatar of Synthesis expected to come
now... and that Horse in Hinduism is known as Khantara or
King Tara. Also, Soshiosh is from the Mazdean Religion and
is the Last Saoshyanto or Saviour who is expected for the
year 2000 and who will come and restore humanity in
purity... an render it immortal!!!
Anyways, what she says is basically the same as what Alice.
A. Bailey wrote, in the first page of "The Reappearance of
the Christ" (1948)...
"...He has come and today will be no exception to this
ancient rule or to this universal law. For decades, the
reappearance of the Christ, the Avatar, has been anticipated
by the faithfull in both hemispheres - not only by the
Christian faithful, but by those who look for Maitreya and
for the Boddhisatva as well as those who expect the Imam
Madhi."
Also, Alice Bailey in her "Esoteric Astrology" (1951),
p.214, wrote that he would be Scorpio...
"" ...Ancient One is no longer seen. He sinks to the
depth of the ocean of life; he descends into hell, but the
gates of hell hold him not. He, the new and living One
leaves below that which has held him down throughout the
Ages and rises from the depths unto the heights, close to
the throne of God."
The connection of these words with Christ, the present
world Saviour, is obvious in their implications, and yet
they were written in our archives over 7,000 years ago.
Death in Scorpio is of a different nature and is also
described in thefollowing words:
"...Ancient One dies by drawning. Such is the test. The
waters envelop him and there is no escape. He drowns. The
fires of passion are then quenched. The life of desires
ceases its appeal and to the bottom of the lake he now
descends. Later, he re-ascends to Earth where the
White-Horse waits his coming. And this he mounts, proceeding
towards the second (next) death.""
Kabunga! Can anyone understand these most simple
things... it doesn't take a genius to see that. :)
I'll tell you one very simple thing. In the past, it took
less than 17 successive incarnations of the Winged-Horse in
China for them to umnderstand this story, perhaps a dozen
with the Celts, less than a dozen with the
Assyro-Babylonians, less than a couple dozens with the
Greco-Romans, just to say that although people of the
present generation consider themselves to be intelligent,
I've given the list of over 150 of the previous
manifestations of the Lord, or the Chief-God... (because
there are countless other Gods too... but the Chief-God is
always the self-begotten one who wakes up all the
others...), ... and I'm beginning to get the solid
impression that poor confused generation of Humanity is
slower in the mind or not intellectually developped as the
Assyro-Babylonians were already some 7,000 years ago or the
Shamans some 50,000 years ago???!!! :)
****************
Regardless of this poor intellectual performance of the
majority of the present modern souls... let's go back to the
dream of Victoria to verify some other clues....
>The horse was still animate, but had a golden harness and
bridle and a
>golden barley sugar twist "partial pole" as though it had
been separated
>from its carnival carousel/merry-go-round.
... and this golden harness and bridle links us with
written elements of the story of Bellerophon and Athena as
exposed again in my little exhibition and elsewhere...
"Bellerophon, was a weird personage, who flew on the
Winged-Horse in a dream and subsequently killed the Chimera.
This is true, the Goddess Athena appeared to him "IN A
DREAM", .... THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STATEMENT..... and
gave him a gold bridle thanks to which he was able to tame
the Horse Pegasus. (Encyclopedia of Mythology,
English version, p.108, French version., p.102... and
issued from Pindare's "Olympics" xiii, 63 to 87.)"
... a gold bridle!!! Just like Victoria described. :)
OK! The barley, relates to beer and the symbol of
spiritual transformation as mentioned several times before
and this twist partial pole reresents cyclical continuity...
the ceaseless becoming just as in the Su-Asti-Ka!!! That
which is eternally good and relates with this continual
sempiternal Merry Go Round!! :)
Besides, all the gold present in this dream relates to
the everlastingness of the Horse which has been described as
White Horse with Golden Mane and etc... in various places...
especially in Slavonic Mythology as stated in the
Encyclopedia of Mythology, in the french version, on page
284, where we can read...
"Dazhbog, the Sun, according to Slavonic myths and
legends, lived in the East, in a land of eternal summer and
abundance. There, he had his golden palace from which he
emerged every morning in his luminous chariot, drawn by
White Horses who breathed fire, to cross the celestial
vault.
In a popular polish story, the Sun travels (in
the sky) in a chariot of diamonds, pulled by twelve horses
with gold manes.
In another legend, the Sun lives in Orient, in
a palace of gold. He goes around in a carriage pulled by
three Horses : Horse of Silver, Horse of Gold and Horse of
Diamond."
******************
In any and all cases, the whole idea is simply a question
of recognition based upon spiritual knowledge derived from
dreams...
" For the Days of the Lord are coming..... . And it
shall come to pass afterward, saith God, that I will pour
out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters
shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young
men shall see visions. Even on my servants and
handmaidens I will pour out, in those days, my Spirit; and
they shall prophesy."
(Words of the Lord himself revealed to the prophet
Joël preserved in Joël 2.28-30 in the Old Testament and, due
to their crucial importance, repeated in the New Testament
in Acts 2.16-18.)
... and if you can understand that he is the Chariot of
Israel and the Horsemen thereof, you will have understood
the All and the key to the whole Divine Knowledge and
Science... of the Primordial Soul of the Universe...
"He shall see his seed, He shall prolong his days, and
the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall
see the travail of his soul and shall be satisfied: by his
knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many..." Isaïah
53.10-11
"By his KNOWLEDGE shall my righteous servant justify
many...!!!" Yah! which goes along with...
"...He has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the
Saints in the Kingdom of Light. For he has rescued us from
the Dominion of Darkness and brought us into the
Kingdom...." (Colossians 1, 12-13)... in the context of the
knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and
understanding which is the knowledge of God... (Colossians
1,9-10)... and of his Kingdom..."
"In the context of the KNOWLEDGE of his will through all
spiritual wisdom and understanding which is the KNOWLEDGE of
God... (Colossians 1,9-10)... and of his Kingdom..."
And as the Buddha, who said that he was himself the
Horse-of-those-Days.... said about the Greatest Blessing....
"Much KNOWLEDGE, mucg Science and a well trained mind
(soul)... is the greatest blessing!!! Yes!
So, the final verdict on this dream is simply that if our
talented dreamer Victoria and anybody else in this world can
realise and recognise this Airy-Horse as the Spirit of the
Primordial Soul of the Universe, the doors of Heaven will be
wide opened for all of those who can recognise the Holy
Spirit of the Lord which is the Seal on their forehead and
the Spirit of Lord will escort them to the nice side of the
Kingdom of God which is the Kingdom of the Airy-Horse.
Thank you all, and thank you again Victoria and keep on
patting the Glorious Horse of the Eternal Merry Go Round....
and everything will just be fine. :)
Thank you, thank you very much,
Gerald
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