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"Most people think their dreams are meaningless, but then won't
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Volume 6 Issue #10
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ Dream Airing: Notes to the Editor, News, Updates.
++ Column: Dream Trek
Re-entry And Rabbits Versus The Nightmare
By Linda Lane Magall¢n
++Poem: At Home with Strange Dreams
William C. Burns, Jr.
++Article: Nightmares - an Introduction
Richard C. Wilkerson
++Article: Dreams and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Harry Bosma
++Article: Different kinds of Nightmares and Different Kinds of Approaches
by Richard Catlett Wilkerson
++ Global Dreaming News, Calendar, Updates - Peggy Coats
++ Dream Section with Harry Bosma and & Richard Wilkerson
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Eeeeeeeeek! It's time for the NIGHTMARE ISSUE.
Welcome to Electric Dreams! If you are not familiar with our e-
zine, this issue may seem rather dark and eerie. That's because
it is our Halloween Issue.
If you can download the cover, or just look at it online, I
highly recommend you do so to get you in the mood of the issue.
David Wells has conjured up some special graphics just to scare
us this month!
Linda Magallon, though very busy writing a new book, has given us
a moment from her life and family that involves nightmares and a
little trick or treat, depending on how you look at it. Be sure
to read Dream Trek.
Harry Bosma is back with an update on his site devoted to Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome and bad dreams. Bosma explores the CFS as it
personally effected him and others, the nightmares that ensued
and the healing dreams that are possible.
I have two nightmare selections this year. One is my traditional
introduction to nightmares and the other looks into how people
generally handle them when left on their own.
Harry Bosma is also joining the Electric Dreams staff by
providing his DreamEditor to us for processing and formatting all
the dreams that come into the dream-flow each month. See the
Dreams Section for all the dreams and comments, for more
information on the dream-flow, and more about Harry Bosma and his
dream software products.
Peggy Coats, online dreamworker extraordinarie, has provided us
with all the latest news and updated on dreams and dreaming both
online and off. Be sure to get the latest information about the
Association for the Study of Dreams. See what workshops are going
to be in your area this season. Find a new dream website you have
always been looking for. All this and more is in the Global
Dreaming News!
A Dream Halloween wouldn't be complete without the Swarm. The
swarm began as an invitation to dreamers to gather online on
Halloween and travel across the Net, leaving tricks and treats
along the way. The idea was to use dreams as imaginary platforms
from which to move in new and alternative directions. Over the
years it has become the time when we get online, check out new
and old sites, update dream links and make new dream friends.
To keep up on the party news, be sure to send an e-mail to our
special autoresponder at swarm@dreamgate.com You can put "info"
in the header and body,b ut it doesn't matter, this email address
is smart enough to know just what you want and give it to you!
- Richard
Richard Wilkerson
rcwilk@dreamgate.com
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Many thanks to Dave Wells, our cover artist for Electric Dreams
6(9) September.
Be sure to download a cover!
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Visit the Art Gallery
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Many thanks to our wonderful, friendly and insightful DreamWheel
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questions, then allowing everyone to comment. See below for more
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though diane is moderating this Wheel) to the moderator and
sorted. We go through the dreams as a group one by one. The first
phase is the question phase, asking non-defensive clarification
questions of the dreamer, who may or may not respond as they
chose. Then in the comment phase each person in the group takes
the dream as if it were their own. The process is non-defensive,
fun and very revealing.
The process is modeled on the work of John Herbert, Richard
Wilkerson and other. For sample sessions of the group see
Sample Session - Herbert
http://users.aol.com/john0417/dmgp/dg16.html
Sample Session - Electric Dreams Dream Wheel (Wilkerson & Hicks)
http://www.asdreams.org/asd-13/2lb12.htm
Sample Session - Electric Dreams Dream Wheel (Wilkerson -Coins of
Life)
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/ed5-9.txt
Sample Session - Electric Dreams DreamWheel (Wilkerson - Dreaming
with Serbia)
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/serbia
To read John Herbert's research work comparing face to face
groups with online groups, go to
http://users.aol.com/john0417/HuSci/Greet.html
Herbert, J.W. (1991) "Human Science Research Methods in Studying
Dreamwork: Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis of Face-to-Face
and Computer Dream Work Groups" Unpublished Manuscript, Saybrook
Institute, San Francisco.
For a quick history and summary of this work, see:
Wilkerson, R. & Herbert, J. (1995). John Herbert and the Internet
Group Dreamwork . Electric Dreams 2(6)
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/articles_rcw/ed2-6jh.htm
or
A Short History on the Rise of Dream Sharing in Cyberspace -
Richard Wilkerson
Electric Dreams October 1998 Volume 5 Issue 9
www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
The DreamWheel follows the guideline of ethical conduct set forth
by the Association for the Study of Dreams.
ASD Dreamwork Ethics Statement
ASD celebrates the many benefits of dreamwork, yet recognizes
that there are potential risks. ASD supports an approach to
dreamwork and dream sharing that respects the dreamer's dignity
and integrity, and which recognizes the dreamer as the
decision-maker regarding the significance of the dream. Systems
of dreamwork that assign authority or knowledge of the dream's
meanings to someone other than the dreamer can be misleading,
incorrect, and harmful. Ethical dreamwork helps the dreamer work
with his/her own dream images, feelings, and associations, and
guides the dreamer to more fully experience, appreciate, and
understand the dream. Every dream may have multiple meanings, and
different techniques may be reasonably employed to touch these
multiple layers of significance.
A dreamer's decision to share or discontinue sharing a dream
should always be respected and honored. The dreamer should be
forewarned that unexpected issues or emotions may arise in the
course of the dreamwork. Information and mutual agreement about
the degree of privacy and confidentiality are essential
ingredients in creating a safe atmosphere for dream sharing.
Dreamwork outside a clinical setting is not a substitute for
psychotherapy, or other professional treatment, and should not be
used as such.
ASD recognizes and respects that there are many valid and
time-honored dreamwork traditions. We invite and welcome the
participation of dreamers from all cultures. There are social,
cultural, and transpersonal aspects to dream experience. In this
statement we do not mean to imply that the only valid approach to
dreamwork focuses on the dreamer's personal life. Our purpose is
to honor and respect the person of the dreamer as well as the
dream itself, regardless of how the relationship between the two
may be understood.
Prepared by Carol Warner Association for the Study of Dreams
Spring, 1997
www.asdreams.org
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Paul Tholey was one of the early great experimentors in Lucid
Dreaming!
We mourn the loss of our former Second Chairman and co-publisher of "Getalt Theory", our
international journal.
Paul Tholey, PhD
Professor for Psychology and Sport Science
1937 - 1998
He fought without compromise for a psychology that is suitable for the critical/realistic demands
of humane research and relevant for creating worthy living conditions, despite the prevailing
mainstream which is oriented in a totally different direction. His achievements in investigating
human consciousness prove his scientifically convincing loyalty to the "Berlin School" of Gestalt
theory ("Gestalt psychology") and make him one of their most distinguished contemporary
representatives in line with the founders: Max Wertheimer, Wolfgang Köhler, Kurt Lewin, Kurt
Koffka and their German students Wolfgang Metzger and Edwin Rausch, his academic
supervisor.
Paul Tholey as the Second Chairman from 1991 to 1995 as well as the co-publisher of "Gestalt
Theory: An International Multidisciplinary Journal" decisively advanced and influenced our
society.
In the name of the Society for Gestalt Theory and their Applcations - a registered organization
(GTA)
Dr. Hans-Jürgen Walter, First Chairman
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Translation: Art Funkhouser
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German original version:
Wir trauern um unseren früheren Zweiten Vorsitzenden und Mitherausgeber unserer
internationalen Zeitschrift "Gestalt Theory".
Dr. phil. nat. Paul Tholey
Professor für Psychologie und Sportwissenschaft
1937 - 1998
Er kämpfte kompromißlos, auch unter der Herrschaft eines ganz anders orientierten
"mainstream", für eine Psychologie, die den kritisch-realistis- chen Ansprüchen an Humanität der
Forschung und Relevanz für die Gestaltung menschenwürdiger Lebensbedingengen gerecht wird.
Seine Leistungen in der Erforschung des menschlichen Bewußtseins belegen seine
wissenschaftlich überzeugende Treue zur "Berliner Schule" der Gestalttheorie
("Gestaltpsychologie") und machten ihn zu einem ihrer bedeutensten zeitgenössischen Vertreter in
der Nachfolge ihrer Begründer Max Wertheimer, Wolfgang Köhler, Kurt Lewin, Kurt Koffka und
deren deutschen Schülern Wolfgang Metzger und Edwin Rausch, seinem Doktorvater.
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One of the models for Electric Dreams came from Sundance Journal,
edited by dream titan Henry Reed. This Journal is now coming
online!
http://www.creativespirit.net/sundancedreamjournal/
Quotes from the Web Site:
"This journal marked a turning point in the history of dreams, a
milestone. Ordinary dreamers were given their own forum for
sharing their dreams and their insights about dreamwork. The
publication of this journal created a community of learners
researching dreams. As the slogan went, "every dreamer is a
researcher and every dream is an experiment in consciousness."
The Sundance journals showed that it was possible for the average
person to participate and make a contribution to the
understanding of dreams and their constructive use in daily life.
The ordinary dreamer thus scooped the academic dream scientist,
who at that time did not have any publication devoted to dreams.
Today Sundance is a collector's item. We are republishing the six
issues here, a few pages at a time, to make this historic
document available to everyone. Twenty plus years after its
publication, its articles are still relevant, and its prophetic
visionary quest, "The Sundance Experiment" is quite timely.
"By common agreement, the father of the dreamwork movement is
Henry Reed,
Now a licensed professional counselor in Virginia Beach,
Virginia.* Reed first became interested in dreams during the late
1960s, while he was working toward his doctorate at U.C.L.A. and
studying dream psychology. At that time, he was also wrestling
with alcoholism. When all of his other sobriety campaigns failed,
he had a series of graphic dreams that did the trick -- notably
one revolting nightmare that associated wine with pus oozing from
open sores.
So impressed was Reed by the curative power of his dreams that he
formed a new life ambition: to free dreamwork from the separate
ghettos of psychiatric therapy and occult practice and to return
it to the dreamers themselves. Asked to describe his role as one
of the early architects of popular dreamwork, he modestly claims,
"All I did really was bring up-to-date a tradition that is long-
standing, especially among American Indians."
http://www.creativespirit.net/sundancedreamjournal/
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KING RICHARD III O Ratcliff, I have dream'd a fearful dream!
What thinkest thou, will our friends prove all true?
RATCLIFF No doubt, my lord.
KING RICHARD III O Ratcliff, I fear, I fear,--
RATCLIFF Nay, good my lord, be not afraid of shadows.
KING RICHARD III By the apostle Paul, shadows to-night
Have struck more terror to the soul of Richard
Than can the substance of ten thousand soldiers
Armed in proof, and led by shallow Richmond.
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DREAM TREK
By Linda Lane Magall¢n
Re-entry And Rabbits Versus The Nightmare
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One night when she was eleven, my daughter Teresa had a
particularly scary nightmare. I helped her out, using a
combination of two dreamwork techniques.
With Waking Dream Re-entry, Teresa first re-visualized the dream,
as it was. Then she expanded it, as if she were adding chapters
to a larger story. The Dream Character Interview involved
"talking" to dream characters in her imagination.
Afterwards, I asked Teresa to relate her version of the
experience into a tape recorder. I transcribed these notes, which
began with her dream:
"I'm watching 'The Sigorney Weaver Show,' like a sit-com on TV.
Sigorney got married to the guy who survived with her from (the
movie) 'Aliens.' He is still recovering from the shock and
trauma. She has two sons plus the little girl who she saved in
'Aliens.'
"Sigorney leaves for work but her husband stays home and her kids
go to school. She comes back a couple of seconds later with this
guy in the car next to her. He has glasses, a black beard and a
mustache. He looks like a professor type person. I know in my
mind, without the TV even announcing it, that he is a
psychiatrist who comes over every day to help her husband with
his trauma. So she leaves the psychiatrist there.
"But he isn't a psychiatrist, like their old one, and I start
getting scared.
The TV picture gets larger and then I feel like I am inside of
it. The psychiatrist begins walking around the upstairs, waiting
for Sigorney's husband. He pulls on his face and it comes off. I
know he is an alien and he wants to eat Sigorney's husband. I
don't really see the alien because I turnaway in the dream. I am
too scared to see his ugly, scummy face.
"I wake up frightened and go to my parents' room and crawl into
bed with my mom."
Teresa commented: "The house was like the one in the sit-com
'Valerie.' This short section was at the end of a longer dream -
I can't remember the other parts but they were going on for a
couple of hours.
"When I talked to my mom about this nightmare, she had me go back
into the dream and discover a lot of things. She had me ask the
alien his name and I said he was 'Mr. Gruesome.' She had me ask
him what he likes to do. He likes to play chess and play 'Salad
Bar.' I asked him what 'Salad Bar' was and he said, 'You take out
salad bar ingredients from the refrigerator - like the
ingredients you regularly see in a restaurant. Then you put them
together and eat them.' He likes to play chess - by himself.
"I asked him why he wanted to eat Sigorney's husband. He said
because, in 'Aliens' Sigorney had killed off most of his people.
He was one of the last survivors. The female who reproduced
didn't get destroyed, she just got sent out into space. He was
one of her additions after the battle.
"We asked him if he wanted a hug and he said, 'Yes.' Then his
brother appeared. He had been searching for Mr. Gruesome in a
space ship - sent out by his other brothers and sisters. His
brother gave the alien a hug and took him back home to his
mother.
"Then I thought about it and I asked myself, if he was an alien,
why would he be eating salad: he's supposed to be a man-eating
slime ball. Why would he want to play chess? He'd rather eat the
board, probably. Why would he be doing these things if he was an
alien? What *is* he, for real?
"My mom helped me think. We knew first that he was disguised as a
psychiatrist. Maybe the alien was a disguise, too.
"The first thing that came to my mind was 'Peter Rabbit.' He had
been in my dream earlier in the night. Then I thought about it
and said, 'I'm right - Mr. Gruesome *is* a rabbit.' I don't know
about the chess part, but rabbits eat salad. Now this wasn't in
my dream, but I deciphered and found it out on my own."
After our dreamwork, Teresa's older brother Victor had come into
the bedroom to iron his clothes for school. Teresa said, "I had a
dream about an alien.
Guess who the alien turned out to be?"
Vic's immediate reply was, "A rabbit."
"What?" I replied astonished, "Are you kidding?" I thought that
perhaps he had overheard our conversation. But he hadn't.
Instead, Vic asked me, "You know that dream about the wolf?" He
was referring to one of his own nightmares from a couple of years
before. "You told me to pretend that he was a rabbit and to tell
him, 'GO EAT CARROTS!'"
We all burst out laughing.
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At Home with
Strange Dreams
William C. Burns, Jr.
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Try as I might
To set my hand against the sky
I could not stop the sun
I could not hold back the darkness
Silent
The gathering dusk
flows into the room
Pooling on the floor
Flowing beneath
and around the familiar
Furniture
Filling the nooks . . .
Silent
In a silent house
Relenting at length
Fuzzing along the edges
I relinquish the Day
The scrunched pillow
The flowered throw
knitted by Mom
I reach into the cool dark water
and draw a handful into my mouth
The night air opens
the bow of my dream ship
slices through the hours
in search of dawn
Strange dream angels
come softly across the lake
The lights in their eyes
dance like tiny fires
upon the water
A breeze breaks the reflection
into a field of rubies
Night follows day
Day follows night
I am dreaming
Or am I waking?
I'm screaming through the night
at the speed of sound
Lost somewhere between the Earth and Sky
in a dream of steel and glass
The clouds water colored
in hues of pewter and white
The city lights sparkling
like diamonds strewn on black velvet
I am falling
I am swimming with
Fishes
Fishes in hobnailed boots
Stomping the cobble stones
In the harbor mists
Gasping
Cursing their foul luck
The whirling ebb of the tidal waters
carries many things onto the sand
Leaving them like offerings
leaving them like verses....
A shell
incomplete and broken in places
A piece of coral
a piece of leaf
A bottle without a note
Driftwood rubbed smooth
by the hands of time and tide
Sea weed flecked with foam
Rocks and sand
Streams of light
pierce the draperies
Is it morning already?
William C. Burns, Jr.
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Nightmares - an Introduction
Richard C. Wilkerson
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from the cyber-dream Library, topics area.
Www.dreamgate.com/dream/library/
There are a wide range of events during sleep and wake that are
often referred to as "nightmares" and it is wise to learn to
distinguish between them. Most of what we call nightmares are
simply extreme reactions and fear that accompany uncomfortable
dreams that occur from time to time in most everyone, usually
towards the end of the sleep cycle. Often we are awakened by a
nightmare and there can be strong feelings of sadness, anger or
guilt, but usually fear and anxiety. Often we are being chased,
and its not unlikely for children to be chased by animals and
fantasy figures, while adults are often chased by male adults.
Night terrors usually occur during the first hour or two of
sleep. Screaming and thrashing about are common. The sleeper is
hard to awaken and usually remembers no more than an overwhelming
feeling or a single scene, if anything. Children who have night
terrors also may have a tendency to sleepwalk and/or urinate in
bed. The causes of night terrors are not well understood, though
it appears that night terrors are from a distinctly different
stage of sleep. Children usually stop having them by puberty.
They may be associated with stress in adults. A consultation
with a physician may be useful if the night terrors are frequent
or especially disturbing.
Why do we have nightmares?
Nightmares may have several causes, including drugs, medication,
illness, trauma or they may have no related cause and be
spontaneous. Often they occur when there is stress in one's
waking life, and when major life changes are occuring.
What can be done about nightmares?
The Association for the Study of Dreams notes that "It really
depends on the source of the nightmare. To rule out drugs,
medications or illness as a cause, discussion with a physician is
recommended. It is useful to encourage young children to discuss
their nightmares with their parents or other adults, but they
generally do not need treatment. If a child is suffering from
recurrent or very disturbing nightmares, the aid of a therapist
may be required. The therapist may have the child draw the
nightmare, talk with the frightening characters, or fantasize
changes in the nightmare, in order help the child feel safer and
less frightened ."
Nightmares also offer the same opportunity that other dreams do,
to investigate the symbols and imagery for life enhancement. The
challenge in the last few decades for the dreamwork movement has
been to teach a variety of methods that replace the old phase "It
was just a dream." In American schools, people like Jill Gregory
and Ann Wiseman teach children coping mechanisms that allow the
child to come into relationship with the dream monsters and fears
in a novel and related manner. Ernest Hartmann and other
researchers are finding that those who have "thin" personalities,
or sensitive, receptive individuals, are more likely to have
nightmares than "thick" personalities. Pioneers like Linda
Magallon, Stephen Laberge and Jayne Gackenbach are teaching
people to take control of their dreams and have the outcomes they
wish rather than becoming the dream's victim.
The Association for the Study of Dreams offers some advice and
books on nightmares and you will find among its members the top
researchers in the field.
NIGHTMARE BOOKS RECOMMENDED BY ASD
Special Issue of Dream Time, with many researchers articles on
Nightmares and Children. Much of the work is applicable to
adults. Volume 15 numbers 1&2 Winter/Spring 1998 Available via
ASD www.asdreams.org $7.00
Wiseman, Ann Sayre (1986, 1989). Nightmare help. A guide for
adults and children. Ten Speed Press.
Krakow, Barry, and Neidhardt, Joseph (1992). Conquering bad
dreams and nightmares. Berkeley Books.
Hartmann, Ernest (1984).The Nightmare: The Psychology and Biology
of Terrifying Dreams. Basic books.
(New - I haven't reviewed this yet):
Dreams and Nightmares: The New Theory on the Origin and Meaning
of Dreams. A new book by Ernest Hartmann,
M.D. is now available for ordering through Plenum Publishers.
MORE ON NIGHTMARES
Cushway, Delia, and Sewell, Robyn (1992) Counseling with dreams
and nightmares.Sage publications.
Kellerman, Henry (Ed.) (1987). The Nightmare: Psychological and
Biological Foundations. Columbia University Press.
Lazar, Moshe (Ed) (1983). The Anxious Subject: Nightmares and
Daymares in Literature and Film.Undena.
Downing, J., and Marmorstein, E. (Eds.) Dreams and Nightmares: A
Book of Gestalt Therapy Sessions. New York: Harper and Row,
1973.
Do you have some favorite Nightmare Books? Send them to me!
Richard Wilkerson rcwilk@dreamgate.com.com
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Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Dreams
Harry Bosma
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The Dream Healing Room:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hbosma/healing_dreams/drmwelc.html
Note from editor: I received the following note from "K" a man
suffering a sleep disorder and forwarded this to Harry. His
response was so generous I asked him if we could publish it on
Electric Dreams. - Richard
From "K"
Constant Dreams and Sleeping Disorders
I've been interested in dreams for a very long time, as I usually
remember them in great detail, and have had precognitive dreams.
I have health problems, and have been diagnosed as having a
sleeping disorder. I have problems falling asleep, then seem to
dream constantly, I'm often exhausted when I wake up. I may have
fibro myalgia, and have read that sleeping disorders may be a
cause of the condition, or just a factor of it. I would like to
know if anyone has any research studies or information on people
who dream too much. I don't seem to do very much deep sleep, my
husband says most the time I appear to be dreaming. Any info or
feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
Reply from Harry Bosma:
I'm a CFS patient who initially got diagnosed with a severe case
of mono in 1994. Like you I've been interested in dreaming for a
long time so when I finally had some energy returned I published
a homepage called Healing Dreams, looking for other CFS patients
also interested in dreaming.
Sleep problems are a factor in CFS and especially in fibro
myalgia. From what I hear from other patients there isn't just
one single type of sleep problem, but all kinds of problems:
sleeping over 12 hours a day, barely sleeping at all, interrupted
sleep and more or less normal sleep that however isn't refreshing
at all.
Two years ago somebody published rather preliminary research
results that suggested that fibro myalgia patients have a flaw in
the quality of their sleep similar to eldery people, skipping the
parts of the sleep that produce growth hormones. I never heard
anything from it since.
I think you have to be very careful with experimenting. Some
people suggest to use melatonin. Recent British research suggest
that CFS is caused by too high levels of melatonin. At the Dutch
CFS mailinglist this naturally upset quite a lot of patients who
thought it was a innocent miracle drug. At my homepage I also
warn patients complaining about vivid dreams for melatonin,
because this same melatonin is used by (aspiring) lucid dreamers
to get more vivid dreams.
To prevent sleep problems I can only give the usual advice: don't
be overactive just prior to sleeping. By the way, "just prior"
can mean hours to most of the day for us because it takes so very
little to get our bodies stressed and so very long to calm down
again. Use some kind of bed going ritual, etc. You probably know
all these things already.
As to too much dreaming, I doubt if that is really a problem. It
is sometimes suggested that too much dreaming can be exhaustive,
but I have never seen any research results to back that up. (I've
sent Richard a CC so perhaps he will correct me here). Actually,
I personally tend to see it as a good sign because during the
early period of my CFS history I went straight into a black coma,
only to come out of it 10-14 hours later and even then with great
difficulty. It was more like the stories you hear about
near-death experiences, but then without the tunnel, the lights
and everything else.
You say you're interested in dreams. You could consult your
dreams for more information on your current state. Though usually
dreams volunteer information when it somehow seems necessary to
correct your daily view or approach of your situation. If you're
interested in this I could tell you a bit more about it. In the
meantime I hope I've answered a few of your questions. If you
want to take a look at the Healing Dreams homepage, you're
welcome. The URL is in my signature.
Regards,
Harry
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hbosma/healing_dreams/drmwelc.html
Nightmare-awake!...oh
Moonbeam on my windowsill
banishing the dark
Nora Leonard
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Different kinds of Nightmares and Different Kinds of Approaches
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Dream: "At first I was going to run like I have done before in
other dreams with this thing. The dark creature scared me and
threatened to harm me, it even seemed to know where I would hide.
But this time I stood up to the thing and demanded that it back
off. To my surprise, the creature stopped and sat up like a
puppy, as if it were begging for a bone. I was flooded with tears
as I thought how lonely this creature must be." BK
Although this is a modern dream, it could well have been the
dream of a Senoi child, a semi-mythical tribe said to have shared
dreams each morning. The Senoi taught their children to confront
nightmare monsters and even to extract a gift from them in
reparation. These techniques of nightmare confrontation are now
being employed and expanded by researchers to help nightmare
suffers around the world. Many of the processes can be used
safely by adults or parents with their children.
There are many scary events in life and in sleep that we refer to
as "nightmares" and it is important to distinguish between them.
The most common frightening events during sleep are nightmares,
night terrors and sleep paralysis. (Asd Nightmare faq quote)
Nightmares, Night Terrors or Sleep Paralysis?
Unpleasant dreams are not uncommon and may at times wake us up
and be called Nightmares. Nightmares are extreme reactions of
negative feelings, often with great amounts of fear, that occur
during dreams and are recalled upon awakening. Though more common
in children, they can happen to anyone. Children are often chased
by animals and fantasy figures. Adults are often chased by male
adults. Generally they occur in the last part of the night or
sleep cycle. Contributing factors in the cause of nightmares
include illness, stress, troubled relationships and traumatic
event. Ernest Hartmann, a leading researcher in America on
Nightmares has noted that some personality types can be prone to
nightmares. There seem to be natural or early learned personality
styles that produce dream people and thought people. The thought
people maintain thick boundaries between contexts, are very
focused and can shut dreaming memory out altogether. Dream people
have thin boundaries, are more sensitive, have a wider, softer
focus and tend to recall dreams very easily, sometime frightening
dreams.
Traumatic events can trigger a long lasting series of recurrent
nightmares often diagnosed as part of PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress
Disorder. These nightmares are different in that they repeat the
same scene over and over for years. They are usually found in
veterans, but other traumas may also bring this about. These
nightmare sufferers usually require professional assistance.
However, most of our nightmares (and other unpleasant dreams) can
be easily turned into positive experiences by new techniques in
dreamwork.
Night terrors are different from nightmares. First, they usually
occur during the first hour or two of sleep. It is not uncommon
to hear the person screaming or thrashing around. It is often
hard to wake the sleeper and they rarely remember anything.
Children who have night terrors may also sleepwalk or urinate in
bed. Night terrors are not well understood, and seem to come from
a part of sleep that is rarely associated with dreams and
dreaming. By puberty, children usually stop having night terrors.
Adults having night terrors often are also leading very stressful
lives. A consultation with a physician may be useful if the night
terrors are frequent or especially disturbing, though often just
talking about it or making small changes in sleep routine is
enough. One long term researcher notes that "I have found that
night terrors are often more disturbing and stressful for the
parents than the child."
Sleep paralysis is the experience of not being able to move.
Often there is a feeling of great weight on the chest making it
hard to breath. Fantasy and reality can mix, hallucinations may
appear and loud buzzing noises, vibrations and feelings of being
touched or electrified. Sometimes the person realizes they are
dreaming and still can't wake up. Researchers feel that sleep
paralysis is really a partial awakening during REM or Rapid Eye
Movement Sleep, when the body is naturally parked off line.
Messages from the brain are stopped from entering the body and it
is a natural condition that occurs about ever 90 minutes of
sleep. Since anxiety about the situation occurs, adrenaline
speeds up the body and people can even feel that they are leaving
their body. The recommendation by researcher Stephen Laberge is
simply to realize it is a dream that can't harm you and to relax.
Dreams that proceed from paralysis experiences are often quite
intense and wonderful.
Facing the Fear
The famous dream researcher Calvin Hall notes that Americans say
more than half of all reported dreams are unpleasant. Many
researchers feel this is due to the attitudes we carry with us to
bed. What if, before going to bed at night we brushed our
attitude as well as our teeth?
This is just what both ancient and modern dreamworkers encourage.
With the application of a few simple techniques, we can nurture a
dream garden of delights and turn the worst monsters into friends
and allies.
Some of the techniques are so simple that children can learn
them. Ann Sayre Wiseman teaches children in grade school how to
confront Nightmares. She has them first draw the monster or fear
and then draw a solution. At first children often shoot or
destroy the monster, but later develop more creative solutions
like magic circles and cages, as well as complex problem solving
strategies. Representing the dream by drawing allows the children
time to dialogue with the fears, as well as empowering them to
feel safe and experiment with options to running away. These
powers are carried over into the night time dreams. One child who
was plagued by a bear-like monster reported that he was able to
yell at the monster "Stop, why are you chasing me?" The monster
stopped chasing him and began crying that we was just looking for
someone to play with.
Jill Gregory has used similar techniques with grade school
children by getting them to stage the dream. She first has the
children create a costume for the dream monster, and then they
get to "show and tell". Gregory would further ask the children to
come up with a more satisfying solution to the dream. These
stagings or dream dramas become a skill with carries over into
the dream world. One doesn't have to even explore the symbolic
meaning of the dream for these techniques to work.
Adults may practice the same techniques. The daytime practice
sessions are important, even when it seems silly. This is because
our minds get into habits, just like our bodies. If we have a
pattern of running away, this pattern has to be strongly
connected with new options. Setting a mental or verbal intention
to try these options is an important step, but may not be
remembered in the panic of a nightmare as well as actual
practice. Draw or sculpt or dramatize the creature and clear
options and reactions to being assaulted.
If you don't have the time to draw or dramatize your dream, you
may wish to try dream-reentry. In dream reentry the dreamer
becomes relaxed and begins to recall the dream, to imagine re-
entering the dream. However, if there is some part of the dream
that is unpleasant, the dreamer then imagines an alternative
solution. Laberge and other experts suggest the solution involve
something more creative than just wishing the problem away.
Wishing the problem away is a sneaky form of the same fear
reaction of running away.
The model of bringing more consciousness to dreams that started
with the Senoi tribe and has been practiced by many modern
researchers.
1. Do not flee from threatening dream characters. Confront them
courageously. Set limits. Ask for their name as a parent would
ask a child who was misbehaving what his or her name was.
2. Try to find a creative solution with the dream monster that
satisfies you both. If impossible, try to get the monster to look
at the problem as a mutual dispute. Refuse threats and insults,
but recognize justified objections.
3. Never surrender to an attack by a dream figure. Take up a
posture that shows you will defend yourself. Stare them in the
eye. If a fight is unavoidable, try to overcome them but not kill
them. Offer a reconciliation.
4. After reconciliation or stopping the dream figure, ask how
they might be able to help you. Or ask for a gift if they
recognize they have been wrong to torment you.
5. With children, it is very effective to teach them to call on a
super-hero friend or parent to help them in the dream.
Often people will share a nightmare or bad dream with a friend or
relative. If you are on the listening side, there are some simple
skills you can use to listen to the dreamer. Jeremy Taylor and
Gayle Delaney have been teaching these skills for years. They
both see the nightmare as a gift which can be unwrapped alone or
with the help of someone else.
Jeremy Taylor uses a variation of the "If this were my dream..."
technique originally developed by the famous dreamworker
Montague Ullman. With the "If this were my dream..." approach,
the listener at first does just that, listens without
interruption.
Then a few clarifying questions are asked, such as the color of a
coat, or the contents a box or the feeling in the dream at the
time. Any question that might call for an interpretation is
avoided, such as "What do you think the blue coat meant?"
Finally, the listener takes the dream as his or her own. John
Herbert has used this technique online and suggests that before
every sentence the thought "In my dream..." is kept in mind. Thus
as a listener I might say "In my dream, the blue coat reminds me
of something to cover myself with, as if I were cold." The
dreamer may or may not see this meaning in their own dream. By
taking the dream as one's own, the dreamer needn't worry so much
about someone imposing meaning on the dream. Taylor feels that we
should keep in mind that all dreams, even nightmares, come in the
service of healing and health. Any interpretation that does not
serve this view is simply wrong and inappropriate.
Gayle Delaney, one of the founding parents of the Association
for the Study of Dreams, suggests abandoning interpretations
altogether. Delaney has developed a dream interview system that
allows a listener to ask questions about a person's dreams
without getting involved in suggesting meanings at all.
Like Taylor, she recommends that the first step is careful
listening, showing empathy without interruption and allowing the
dreamer to feel comfortable.
She then suggests diagraming the dream. This involves outlining
the major actions, people, objects/animals/monsters and feelings.
The dreamer is then invited to describe without interpreting each
of these elements to the listener as if the listener were from
Mars or another planet. This way, usual assumptions are bypassed
and the dreamer can explain and explore the dream imagery more
deeply.
The listener can summaries and repeat or condense these and feed
them back to the dreamer so the dreamer feels sure the listener
has accurately heard the dream.
The listener can then encourage the dreamer to make bridges to
waking life. How are each of these elements like something in the
dreamer's life?
Usually this can be done by generalizing the function of the
image. If its a refrigerator, its a place to keep things cool,
and where in my life do I keep things cool? If its a car without
breaks, where in my life are there things in motion that I can't
stop? Finally, the interviewer might ask if there are
alternatives. If my life is like a car without breaks, how would
I like it differently?
Lucid Dreaming and Nightmares
"I believe the best place to deal with unpleasant dreams is in
their own context, in the dream world. We create our nightmares
out of the raw material of our own fears. Fears are
expectations--why would we fear something we thought would never
happen?" Stephen Laberge
In part II we discussed techniques you can practice before going
to sleep or after waking up. But note one item here, while dream
monsters may frighten you emotionally, they are after all just
dreams. If you realized it was a dream, while you were dreaming,
then what could harm you?
In some ways, when we wake up, a similar reaction occurs. We
realize it is a dream. But researchers have found that this is
not the best or most satisfying approach:
"'Escaping' from a nightmare by awakening only suppresses your
conscious awareness of the anxiety-provoking imagery. You may
feel a certain relief, but like the prisoner who digs through his
prison wall and finds himself in the cell next door, you haven't
really escaped." Laberge & Rheingold
Finding a creative resolution is even easier when we realize that
it is a dream and we continue dreaming. This is what is called
"lucid dreaming".
Lucid dreaming occurs spontaneously in many dreamers, but it is
also a technique that can be learned. Though not as easy as the
previous techniques, it is often more fulfilling and worth the
effort to many dreamers. Though lucid dreaming became an object
of investigation in the 19th Century, its popular scientific
status was not obtained until the late 1970's, when Stephen
Laberge was able to demonstrate lucid dreaming in laboratory
conditions. This rise into mainstream science allowed others to
bring their research on lucidity and nightmares to the public.
Lucid dreaming researchers now have a variety of programs and
techniques for learning to have lucid dreams and it has become
one of the most popular topics on the Internet in the venues that
discuss dreams. Lucid dreaming is now even taught to children.
Techniques for increasing the frequency of lucid dreams vary with
the individual. There are many combinations of methods that work
for many people. Here are some ideas based on *Lucid Dreamer's
Quick Reference* by Lars Spivock:
* Throughout the day, ask yourself "Am I Dreaming?" and imagine
something wonderful you could be doing in your dream - this is
your dream goal. Use your watch or something you notice often as
a reminder to ask. Limit excitement, food, drink, and exercise
for several hours before bedtime. Drinking plain water, sex, and
small amounts of caffeine may be beneficial.
* Arrange your dream space with inspirational items. Keep your
journaling materials, writing or taping, bedding, and blinds in
good working order. In the hour before sleep, have only relaxing
thoughts and activities. Write the date and your goal dream in
your journal. Just before sleep, with your eyes closed, review
your goal dream and affirm to wake up after each dream.
* As you awaken from a dream, memorize it in detail before you
open your eyes or change your body position. Record it in your
journal. If you are not ready to fall back asleep, get up and do
something for a while.
* As you fall back asleep, repeatedly imagine your last dream,
recognizing that you are dreaming and guiding the outcome. Your
continuation of the dream may involve boldly confronting an
adversary. You can transform yourself into any object, animal or
human role. You can transform someone or something else in the
dream. You can apply elements from your goal dream.
* When you recognize you are dreaming, calmly enjoy the unfolding
of the dream. Optionally perform a reality test by levitating and
calmly begin guiding the outcome. When your lucidity begins to
fade away, spin your dream body and affirm to start your goal
dream when lucidity returns.
* Favor waking up to birdsongs instead of an alarm radio set to
the news. Upon waking, keep your eyes closed and remain
motionless for a few minutes while reviewing your dreams from the
night before. Then make your journal entries, even if only
fragments.
Have a relaxed attitude of acceptance towards the outcome. Sooner
or later you will be rewarded with better dream recall and
wonderful dreams.
Here are some ideas for goal dreams. You supply the important
specific details to suit yourself:
entertainment - fly to the moon or travel through time
romance - have a romantic encounter
healing - heal yourself or someone else
problem solving - solve a work-related or social problem
creativity - create a work of art
spirituality - talk to god
enlightenment - learn about yourself of the unconscious
out of body - visit another place or someone elses's dream
self-indugence - gluttony or shopping binges
sleep - end nightmares or dreamining dreams
The techniques of becoming lucid require some attention and
practice for most people. A whole array of technology has now
sprung up to assist with this process. Most of them work on the
same principle. A mask of some kind is worn during sleep. The
mask will detect when the sleeper enters REM or Rapid Eye
Movement Sleep and send a signal. This signal is usually light or
light and sound that is adjusted to be strong enough to enter
into the dream but not so strong as to wake the dreamer. As you
can imagine, the adjustment period may take some time. Next the
dreamer must practice learning to recognize the light and sounds
as a signal and not just incorporate the noise as a dream traffic
light or alarm clock. All these technologies are for assistance
only, and need to be combined with other instructional programs.
PRESCRIPTIONS FOR NIGHTMARES
Once you are lucid in a threatening dream situation, there are a
wide variety of paths to choice from. Laberge and Rheingold
suggest the following:
1. Theme: Being pursued
Response: Stop running. Turn to face the pursuer. This is in
itself may cause the pursuer to disappear or become harmless. If
not, try starting a conciliatory dialog with the character or
animal.
2. Theme: Being attacked
Response: Don't give in meekly to the attack or flee. Show your
readiness to defend yourself and then try to engage the attacker
in a conciliatory dialog. Alternatively, find acceptance and love
in yourself and extend this towards the threatening figure (see
Chapter 11).
3. Theme: Falling
Response: Relax and allow yourself to land. The "old wives' tale"
is false--you will not really die if you hit the ground.
Alternatively, you can transform falling into flying.
4. Theme: Paralysis
Response: When you feel trapped, stuck or paralyzed, relax. Don't
allow anxiety to overcome your rationality. Tell yourself you are
dreaming and the dream will soon end. Let yourself go along with
any images that appear or things that happen to your body. None
of it will hurt you. Adopt an attitude of interest and curiosity
about what happens.
5. Theme: Being unprepared for an examination or speech
Response: First of all, you don't need to continue with this
theme at all. You can leave the exam or lecture room. However,
you might enhance your self-confidence in such situations by
creatively answering the test questions or giving a spontaneous
talk on whatever topic suits you. Be sure to enjoy yourself. When
you wake up, you may want to ask yourself whether you should
actually prepare for a similar situation.
6. Theme: Being naked in public
Response: Who cares in a dream? Have fun with the idea. Some find
being naked in a lucid dream erotically exciting. If you wish,
have everyone else in the dream remove their clothes. Remember,
modesty is a public convention, and dreams are private
experiences.
Summary on Nightmare Help
While lucid dreaming allows us to control our dreams, it is
difficult for some to learn and may not deal with the underlying
causes. Dream exploration, keeping a dream journal or sharing
dreams with others are often enough and a good practice whether
one is having nightmares or not. Learning confrontation
techniques and lucid dream techniques will further help nightmare
sufferers and empower ourselves and our children in waking life
as well. If the nightmare persists or reoccurs, it may be time
to discuss this with a physician, especially since some drugs,
medication and illnesses can be a contributing cause of
nightmares.
It is useful to encourage young children to discuss their
nightmares with their parents or other adults, but they generally
do not need treatment. Having the child draw the nightmare, talk
with the frightening characters, fantasize changes in the
nightmare or learn to call on dream protectors and dream parents
will help the child feel safer and less frightened.
Ernest Hartmann has noted how the dream state is like therapy in
two special ways, they both are a safe place to make connections.
Dreams will play with everything we do and feel and it makes
connections with a wide variety thoughts, feeling and memories.
Some of these connections are bound be uncomfortable for us. But
to the degree we can see and make our dreams the safe place that
they are, is the degree to which these dream worlds will unfold
their treasures and the dream monsters will reveal their gifts.
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002 - Anonymous - Earth Day Connections
003 - Anonymous - grocery store
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From: Anonymous
Subject: Earth Day Connections
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:26:23 -0700
Earth Day Connections: dreambat Sept 24, 1999
I am walking down a busy street. Its not a main street, but
everyone is going to work. I pass an old supervisor and they
sadistically smile at me. I think about how glad I am I don't
work for that organization anymore and wonder what they would
think now about having wasted my talents and resources.
I go to a two or three story garage. Its also a school and
car repair and research and other things kind-of-place. I talk
with people at a kind of meeting-yet-party and eventually they
leave. I used to work here as well and need to access the
computers. I try for sometime to bring up my account on one
computer but have to go into another part of the building to
turn on another computer before they can connect. I go and find
the room, its like a typical lab room in a research facility,
though also like a school and a warehouse or car repair office.
That is, messy, full of papers, not very clean.
I turn this computer on and then go upstairs to another
computer I need connected. I see someone working in the evening
light, a guy at a table full of machines he is working on, like
old radios, computer equipment, and other technologies.
I turn the computer on and connect with the systems operator
who is on a computer in some other part of the building. I tell
them I need to have access to my account and need these various
computers networked. We fiddle for awhile and he asks me what
room the other computer I needed connection to was in. I tell
him. He asks me if I realize what day it is? "No," I say "What
day is it?" He says its Earth Day. I look through a long
window at a building across the way, and notice again the late
evening sun. I also notice how quite it is and think that
everyone must be off for Earth Day. I worry that they systems
operator will now say that nothing can be done because everyone
is off. But instead he says "Since its so quiet, I guess I can
just come down look at the computer myself." I tell him I will
meet him in the room and head off.
dreambat
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From: Anonymous
Subject: grocery store
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:30:38 -0700
Dream Title grocery store by Nellie
Date of Dream Septemer 2 1999--night Dream I lived in a grocery
storw with my boyfriend and his family and all of a suddn i got
pregnant. I went into labor and my boyfriends mom had to so a
c-section on me but she didi it with her real life favorite
butcher knife. She cut a circle into my stomach and pulled the
skin out and then pulled the baby out and put the piece of skin
back in and put a stitch in the corner of my stomach. It was
really fun and i had a great time while she did it. My baby was
extremely ugly. It had huge monster eyebrows that connected and
two differsnt sized and colored eyes and really fat ugly lips.
And everyone thought it was beautiful. I went home and showed my
boyfriend the ugly baby and my really cool stitches and he said
cool. Comments by Dreamer It was weird Permission to Comment
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002 - Heratheta@aol.com - Re: Digest
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I wonder if this is so much about HIM. Maybe it is more about
you.
Dream Title Unfaithful fiancee. By Lady4life
Date of Dream september 10, 3 or 4am
recently, I had a dream that took place at a nearby park that I
used to play at as a child. The park looked much different it
was cleaned up and looked nice again.>> What do you recall
about yourself at that time in your young life? Are there things
hanging on in you now, that need to be cleaned up? Do you need
to revisit this time, and bring yourself up to date? or is it
something you need to let go?
<< A group of friends of mine were chatting at the park
including my fiancee.>> Do you recognize them as friends of
yours now? What can you think of that would connect them to
your time in the park? Is there some 'childish' undercurrent in
all this? Any 'park' is rather temporary.
<< For some unknown reason I had to leave to go home and I told
everyone that
I would return in a short while.>> Was the 'home'
you went to the home of your childhood, or your present home?
<< Upon my return, I noticed my fiancee was talking to an
oriental girl, about my age, who oddly enough had the same first
name as mine. >> do you know any Orientals? What does the term
mean to you? Is it something unknown; foreign?
I thought nothing of it because he is free to talk to whoever
he pleases. >> This is a very adult attitude. It does not fit
into the park theme, does it?
<<... She then asked me if I thought he was really single,
because he was too nice of a guy to be available. I was shocked
when she asked me this because I knew we were engaged and
obviously she didn't. I asked her if he had said he was single.
She said "yes, and I think he was flirting with me." >> Suppose
the "Oriental" is a part of yourself that you are not too much
in touch with. Do you allow yourself to suspect that he, or
even you, might not prefer to be single?
<< I said, "single, is that what you are? Is that what you
want to be? Is that what you tell girls you are?" he didn't say
anything, or even express any emotions.>> Actually, he IS
single, isn't he? And so are you. You have made certain
commitments, but they have not been consecrated nor consummated.
Does it seem strange that you would become so furious, at the
report of a stranger? After all, you did not know WHAT he did,
and you gave him no chance to respond. If you had approached
him in real life like that, how would he have behaved? Really,
is flirting that bad?
<> What would he have done at this point, in real life? (If
you think about this, you may see that this Dream is not about
him! It may be your projection.)
<< a friend of mine who is a couple of years younger than me. >>
Do you suppose your own masculine side is underdeveloped?
"young?"
<< I started packing Vance's things into boxes. >> This is very
telling. HE did not show up and claim he wanted to leave! YOU
are packing him up!
<< Vance and the oriental girl were at, and to my surprise
talking and laughing and basically flirting. I told Vance that
if he didn't get his things out of my house that !>> Who is it
you want to get rid of? Is a part of yourself uncomfortable, and
looking for any excuse to detach?
Comments by Dreamer when I woke up I was still in a horrible
state of mind, I didn't know if what I drempt was real or not.
it felt so real that I couldn't tell dream from reality. I can't
even express how real it felt.>> This is very important. When
you think about it, would you (after the shock wears off) feel
relieved to be alone, with the opportunity to start over?
Perhaps by learning more about who YOU are, and what you really
want?
I can only comment according to my own experiences. Take what
is worth keeping, and blow the rest away.
Blessings. Joan
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greatly. This has my mind so messed up. Thank you.
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From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n157, and 159
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:10:03 EDT
frogbark drm-peace had alin to the right of the middle of the
farm if you had avoided becoming "tall" chain drm- peace had
lain to the right of the fence if you had avoided becoming
"just' #159 no title drm-peace had lain to the right of the
warehouse if you had avoided "painting" helpless dream-peace had
lain to the right of the house if you had avoided becoming
"kept"
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001 - Anonymous - No Title
002 - Anonymous - Helpless
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From: Anonymous
Subject: No Title
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:55:05 -0700
Date of Dream 8/31/99 Dream I dreamt that my brother (who passed
away 5 years ago) was sitting in a wearhouse, on an artist's
stool, with a canvas in front of him, painting himself sitting
in a comfortable, reclyner type chair. Comments by Dreamer A
friend of mine told me that it sounded like the dream was a way
of saying that my brother was at peace. I'm not sure I believe
that, although it sounds good. Any other insights? Permission to
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From: Anonymous
Subject: Helpless
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:25:18 -0700
Dream Title Helpless.-Lillith Lamia
Date of Dream 9/10/99 Dream I had a dream that I was on vacation
in Niagara Falls. I was at my mothers friends house,alone. There
was a homeless man that kept coming to the door and I got angry
and yelled at him to go away.Then he feel to the ground I
thought he was dead.So, I was kicking him and yelling at him
telling that he got what he deserved. Then he got up, and came
after me. I ran and slamed the door in his face, I ran to the
phone and called the police,but I couldn't get a dial tone.My
fingers kept missing the keys on the phone and then when I got
though I lost my voice. The man came into the room I was in.The
only escape I had was though the window so I jumped out.Then I
woke up. Comments by Dreamer I have had other dreams like this
lately. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
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001 - <iodreams - Owls
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From: <iodreams
Subject: Owls
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:48:32 -0400
Re Owls by Mindwanderer I really love this dream and the power
of the owls in it.Such beauty. Owls are often seen as messengers
in many native traditions- If this were my dream I'd carry my
"owl medicine" proudly- feeling honored by the attention of this
totem.Some transmission of elder wisdom for me. Sometimes they
are seen as portents of death- however, we should not get too
bent out of shape on this- as "death" can be understood as deep
transformation in majority of dream realms and also death of
parts of self, death of certain relationships, etc.
I'd also probably dialogue with the elder owl -and the
juveniles- to see what they have to tell me about themselves and
why they're showing up in my life at this mom ent. I'd look for
that gold ornament or something that feels "good as gold" and put
it on my rear view mirror. I'd imagine looking into the rear view
mirror to see what things in my past relate to this juvenile owl
medicine in my life.
Sacred Stories/Sacred Lives-Writing About Self and Family
October 3,1999 11-5P
International Celebration of Dreams and Dreaming: OCTOBER
22,23,24,1999 Primary Site: Gallery at Deep Listening Space, (
Historic Rondout- Hudson Valley) Kingston, NY The Dream Sack
loves your dreams: Http://www.deeplistening.org/ione
http://www.deeplistening.org/ione/egypt.html
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001 - Anonymous - Frogbark
002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n156
003 - Anonymous - chain link fence
004 - Anonymous - owl dreams
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n157.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Frogbark
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:16:10 -0700
Dream Title Frogbark Date of Dream Dream I am Outside the Sky is
blue the clouds are white. In the middle of the farm some where.
Tall green grass, is what it looks like to me. The Grass has got
to be at least 4-5 feet deep. All of the grass is in the water
that is very High as well. There are Vampires and their are
Scrolls. I am in a Town looks Oriental. Large Oriental
Buildings, Some type of Garden of some sort with Statues of
Samurai's Body armor in Poses with weapons and Skulls for faces,
I am not scared. Someone yells to me kick them in the Nyuke.
(Something tells me this is the plate covering the Warriors
Groin area.) So I Stomp it. When I Stomp it a Compartment in the
area just above their forehead opens, there is a Scroll in the
warrior's Skull. It can be read, Once read it is can be
discarded, each scroll contains a wisdom, Blue for water,Black
for Nothingness. There is an evil Samuari War Lord that wants
what I have, he chases me into the Green Grass and water. I am
not afra! ! id, I have the Black Scroll. I am not afraid because
i tear off the Last Symbol(s) of the Scroll and throw all but
the piece i tore off so that the Warlord could see it by this
time he is a purple dragon with wings that are purple in the
inside and black on the outside, he has green and black eyes.,
The Sky is Dark Purple, Black and Gray Clouds overcast the Sky.
He is hovering about 30 feet away from me in the air flapping
his wings, he looks pissed. The part i tore off i Threw into the
water symbol side down (so that he would not see it.) with a
whole bunch of other cloths so that i would blend in. Then as he
flew by I proceeded to run for my life. He swoops for me, i run
real fast. I dive and glide on the water. The water creates a
tunnel around me it is clear but fuzzy looking i think the term
is opaque, my image from the outside is distorted he can't
pinpoint me to strike, i begin submerging just enough so that i
am all the way under water. I hold my breath, the wat! ! er is
Cold. He looks for me but can't find me, I Hide in the water
under the cover of the Tall Green Grass. I laylow it looks like
i vanished. The Dragon can't find me so he is forced to go look
for the scroll. I am not scared, i am feeling rather quite
brave. I feel self confident, the skulls represent a secret that
in the right has can be worth alot, or in the wrong hands do
alot of great evil, this just goes to show that if you are
missing apart of my scrolls that if can throw off the entire
formula. The Creature creates its own demise, but doesn't know
something is wrong til the last minute, we has finds out that
he's been had. Comments by Dreamer This was taken by mini tape
recorder as i a woke one morning about a week ago, I'm not sure
why i said some of the stuff i did, all i was doing was merely
describing what i saw, Feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n156
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:24:35 EDT
owls drm-peace had lain to the right of the path if you had
avoided becoming "narrow"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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From: Anonymous
Subject: chain link fence
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:33:41 -0700
From c-lee
dream - night - chain link fence - dark ground - blue snake
slightly yellowish tint under blue - stub nose like a hammer head
shark - not coiled just slides up between fence and ground slowly
and slides along - I am not in dream
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From: Anonymous
Subject: owl dreams
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:20:31 -0700
Be very careful with this one. I thought about the "wise" part
too, but I just had to look this one up. My books tell me that
owls portray evil and that they also portray death. They also can
mean that someone is planning something evil against you. Since
you are not afraid in the first dream, it could be someone you
know well, or trust. Also, since the owl was in the truck with
you, be very careful when you or your loved ones drive. This
could portray an accident. Stay alert when driving and don't put
any small children in the front seats. God take care of you and
keep you safe.--Margaret
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001 - Anonymous - Owls by Mindwanderer
002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n149 -55
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n156.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Owls by Mindwanderer
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:41:25 -0700
Dream Title Owls by Mindwanderer
Date of Dream 9/08/99? and 9/14/99?
I walk in the dark night down a narrow garden path, unknown to
me. It is a short path, with trees on both sides. At the end, I
see a wooden fence with a horizontal (flat) top, and a large,
very round whitish-gray owl is there, staring at me. It floats
from the fencetop toward me, as I freeze in wonder--not afraid,
but feeling internally pleased and happy. It comes to within a
foot of my face, suspended in air, and stares into my eyes. It
flys away over my left shoulder. The dream ends. A week later I
dream of a small gray owl sitting on the dashboard of a pickup
truck, staring out the windshield looking at me. In the
background, another owl just like it is perched on the back of
the seat looking at me. There is some kind of ornament hanging by
a gold chain from the rear mirror over the owl in the foreground,
(i.e., on the dashboard.)
I look at the owls in the truck staring at me. I am confused
about why this is happening. The dream ends.
Comments by Dreamer What do these owl dreams mean?
My dream consciousness feeling was one of silent pleasure the
first time, and incomprehension the second time. The owls were
different types in the two dreams. The first owl looked very like
an
"elder," or "wise one." The second two owls looked like
juveniles, of a different species entirely. I think these dreams
are important, but I have no idea why.
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From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n149 -55
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:44:52 EDT
#149 church drm-peace had lain to the right of ny if you had
avoided becoming "wondering" #150 shaken drm-peace had lain to
the right of the mountain if you had avoided becoming "very'
past drm-pece had lain to the right of the gatering if you
had avoided becoming "seemed' #151 funeral drm-peace had lain to
the right of the church if you had avoided becoming "but"
unknown drm-peace had lain to the right of the fuse box if you
had avoided becoming "like" awake drm-peace had lain
to the right of the below if you had avoided becoming what
yourself and others are "trying" #153 unfaithful drm-peace had
lain to the right of the park if you had avoided becoming "much"
#154conflict drm-peace had lain to the right of the places of
conflict if the husbond had avoided becoming "wanted" and the
wife had avoided becoming "evidences" #155spoon drm-peace had
lain to the right of the dropping if you had avoided becoming
"slow" falling drm-peace had lain to the right of the
friends if you had avoided becoming "then"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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001 - Anonymous - New Dream
002 - Anonymous - falling
003 - Anonymous - you dreams
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From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:26:19 -0700
Dream Title Heather
The Re-occuring Spoon Dream
Date of Dream 9/15/99
I used to have this dream all the time when I was about 6 or 7,
and it was a dream between other dreams. It was just a silver
spoon dropping in slow motion, and there was no sound. It would
hit a black glassy surface, and then bounce twice, and then it
would go to the next dream. The background was pitch black, and
the spoon was very shiny, but ordinary. When I had this
dream just two nights ago, it was a little erie. I used to have
that dream every night, and now I think it has come back.
Comments by Dreamer
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dream, and if anybody could, it would be GREATLY appreciated.
That is all that I am asking in turn for the publication. Thank
you for your time.
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From: Anonymous
Subject: falling
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:46:11 -0700
Dream Title falling
Date of Dream 12:30
i was running with my friends then i fell in a lrage ditch..and i
abruptly woke up
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From: Anonymous
Subject: you dreams
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:32:25 -0700
Yes, I noticed the date and time of your dreams and found it
amazing. Are there any problems between the two of you? Are you
an older or middle-aged couple? Do you think he's cheating on
you? Maybe he's not paying attention to you like he used to?
Maybe he's thinking how it would be if you two weren't together?
I hope he's not thinking about anyone else and subconsciously
it's making him feel guilty. Obviously you two were meant to be
together because you have such a strong connection to each other.
All I can say is that the ball is in his court. I think your
husband is very confused about what it is he wants out of his
life right now. I hope everything works out for you. Spend more
time together and remind each other that you love each other very
much every day and I think that will help. Take care.--Margaret
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001 - Anonymous - Questions:
002 - Anonymous - Conflict ; simple
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n154.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Questions:
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:24:47 -0700
Really messed up it is. Questions:
1) Are you afraid of losing Vance?
2) Is Vance a flirter?
3) Are you afraid that if you marry Vance he might cheat on you
and it might end in divorce?
4) Is there some woman either in your personal or business
lives that is a threat to Vance's loyalty to you? A vixen
perhaps or some sweet girl at his job that is always asking for
his help or opinion?
5) Does he talk about other women a lot with you?
Maybe he's a flirt and doesn't know it. My brother-in-law is
like that and it bothered his wife, but his dad's the same way
and it's harmless.
6) Are you sure you're not really in love with your old friend
and maybe you think you might be?
It's very normal what you're going through. I'm married nine
years now and I still feel like you at times. I hope you find
your answers. Good luck. Take care.--Margaret
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From: Anonymous
Subject: Conflict ; simple
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:54:49 -0700
Dream Title Conflict ; simple
Date of Dream early morning at around 4 am
Both me and my husband had the same dream of conflict between us.
He saw a dream where he wants me out of his life and i saw a
dream where i am depressed as i have found evidences of an
affair he has had . We saw the dreams on the same night and woke
up distturbed. Can you please tell us what it meant. Is our
relationship going to break?
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001 - Anonymous - New Dream
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n153.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:47:47 -0700
Dream Title Unfaithful fiancee. By Lady4life
Date of Dream september 10, 3 or 4am
recently, I had a dream that took place at a nearby park that I
used to play at as a child. The park looked much different it
was cleaned up and looked nice again. A group of friends of mine
were chatting at the park including my fiancee. For some unknown
reason I had to leave to go home and I told everyone that I would
return in a short while. Upon my return, I noticed my fiancee
was talking to an oriental girl, about my age, who oddly enough
had the same first name as mine. I thought nothing of it because
he is free to talk to whoever he pleases. I went over to a
swingset and sat down. Shortly after, the oriental girl came
over and sat next to me. She told me that Vance (my fiancee) was
very nice. I agreeed with her. She then asked me if I thought
he was really single, because he was too nice of a guy to be
available. I was shocked when she asked me this because I knew
we were engaged and obviously she didn't. I asked her if he had
said h! ! e was single. She said "yes, and I think he was
flirting with me." I stood up and yelled for Vance to come over
to where I was, and started walking in his direction. I was
furious. I said, "single, is that what you are? Is that what
you want to be? Is that what you tell girls you are?" he didn't
say anything, or even express any emotions. I took off my
engagement ring and threw it on the ground at his feet as I
cried. I went home again and ran into a friend of mine who is a
couple of years younger than me. Still crying, he asked me what
was wrong. I told him and he offered to walk me to my house. I
accepted the offer and we proceeded to my house. When I arrived
there, I started packing Vance's things into boxes. I talked a
little while longer to my friend and he left. I went back to the
park where Vance and the oriental girl were at, and to my
surprise talking and laughing and basically flirting. I told
Vance that if he didn't get his things out of my house that ! !
they would be on the front lawn. He di
Comments by Dreamer when I woke up I was still in a horrible
state of mind, I didn't know if what I drempt was real or not.
it felt so real that I couldn't tell dream from reality. I can't
even express how real it felt.
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greatly. This has my mind so messed up. Thank you.
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001 - Anonymous - New Dream
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n153.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:47:47 -0700
Dream Title Unfaithful fiancee. By Lady4life
Date of Dream september 10, 3 or 4am
recently, I had a dream that took place at a nearby park that I
used to play at as a child. The park looked much different it
was cleaned up and looked nice again. A group of friends of mine
were chatting at the park including my fiancee. For some unknown
reason I had to leave to go home and I told everyone that I would
return in a short while. Upon my return, I noticed my fiancee
was talking to an oriental girl, about my age, who oddly enough
had the same first name as mine. I thought nothing of it because
he is free to talk to whoever he pleases. I went over to a
swingset and sat down. Shortly after, the oriental girl came
over and sat next to me. She told me that Vance (my fiancee) was
very nice. I agreeed with her. She then asked me if I thought
he was really single, because he was too nice of a guy to be
available. I was shocked when she asked me this because I knew
we were engaged and obviously she didn't. I asked her if he had
said h! ! e was single. She said "yes, and I think he was
flirting with me." I stood up and yelled for Vance to come over
to where I was, and started walking in his direction. I was
furious. I said, "single, is that what you are? Is that what
you want to be? Is that what you tell girls you are?" he didn't
say anything, or even express any emotions. I took off my
engagement ring and threw it on the ground at his feet as I
cried. I went home again and ran into a friend of mine who is a
couple of years younger than me. Still crying, he asked me what
was wrong. I told him and he offered to walk me to my house. I
accepted the offer and we proceeded to my house. When I arrived
there, I started packing Vance's things into boxes. I talked a
little while longer to my friend and he left. I went back to the
park where Vance and the oriental girl were at, and to my
surprise talking and laughing and basically flirting. I told
Vance that if he didn't get his things out of my house that ! !
they would be on the front lawn. He di
Comments by Dreamer when I woke up I was still in a horrible
state of mind, I didn't know if what I drempt was real or not.
it felt so real that I couldn't tell dream from reality. I can't
even express how real it felt.
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sence and or any interpretations, it would be appreciated
greatly. This has my mind so messed up. Thank you.
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001 - <JEV - in my 'unknown? vgaustin' dream...
002 - Anonymous - comment on dream
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n152.1 ---------------
From: <JEV
Subject: in my 'unknown? vgaustin' dream...
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:55:32 -0400 (EDT)
in my 'unknown? vgaustin' dream...
i communicate some explosive knowledge to my daughter or
'daughter' part of myself. it is very hard on her and i'm not
sure whether i will still be able to communicate with her as a
result. hopefully, she will be able to handle the information and
we will be able to continue communication.
>>>>>>>>>>> Dream Title unknown? vgaustin Date of
Dream 09/09/99 3-4am Dream My daughter and I were
talking by a fuse box. It blew up, my daughter was standing next
to it.I turned to look at the fuse box, to find a hole that
looked like liquid metal. She grabbed her ears as she bent down
in great pain. I pulled her up and pulled back her hair to check
her ear and neck. There were no marks, but as I started to look
more, she started to vomit up blood.I stood in amazement,
thinking I needed to get her help, that I should call 911. As I
turned to do so,I remembered thinking the phone was on the other
side of the same wall, and wondered if it would work. Then I
awoke. <<<<<<<<<<<
Jay
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From: Anonymous
Subject: comment on dream
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:23:48 -0700
This dream seems to deal with communication and news. The ears,
the phone. The fuse box maybe something powerful. Maybe some
powerful news or shocking news might come to your daughter that
might hurt her in some way (because she was holding her ears it
seems like bad news).
Maybe a secret that you know or news that you might try to tell
her or maybe you will be the one to try to help her the most when
the news comes. I hope I helped. I'm usually pretty good at
these things. Good luck and I hope everything works
out.--Margaret
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001 - Anonymous - Husband's funneral by Estella
002 - Anonymous - vgaustin
003 - Anonymous - Awake or Asleep
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n151.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Husband's funneral by Estella
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:17:25 -0700
Dream Title Husband's funneral by Estella
Date of Dream july and august 99
I have always had precognative (sp) dreams and I don't know what
to think of this one. The dream was I was sitting in a church pew
(sp) with my brother in law and my mother in law. My husband was
in the casket. I could see him there but he was in spirit right
next to me. not sitting on anything but in a sitting position.
There were others there that have died. People form his
family--seemed to be mostly the woman and they were gossiping. My
husband in spirit form kept stairing at me not even paying
attention to his own funneral. I felt uncomfortable under his
gaze. I left and went to go home but I was afraid and my brother
in law went with me and he went in the house with me because I
was afraid there was something in there--but nothing was. I have
othr dreams of him in spirit and I have seen his death and his
leaving this world and passing over to the spirit world with the
help of a freinds father and his brother that died long ago.
These are all rea! ! curring dreams and they are very emotional
and vivid for me.
Comments by Dreamer Please share any comments you may have.
I am unsure what to think about these dreams.
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n151.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: vgaustin
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:12:58 -0700
Dream Title unknown? vgaustin
Date of Dream 09/09/99 3-4am
My daughter and I were talking by a fuse box. It blew up, my
daughter was standing next to it.I turned to look at the fuse
box, to find a hole that looked like liquid metal. She grabbed
her ears as she bent down in great pain. I pulled her up and
pulled back her hair to check her ear and neck. There were no
marks, but as I started to look more, she started to vomit up
blood.I stood in amazement, thinking I needed to get her help,
that I should call 911. As I turned to do so,I remembered
thinking the phone was on the other side of the same wall, and
wondered if it would work. Then I awoke.
Comments by Dreamer I could really use some help with this
one!!!
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n151.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Awake or Asleep
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:10:36 -0700
Dream Title Awake or Asleep
Date of Dream aprox Aug 9, 1999
Dreamed that I was dreaming, and trying to wake myself up. I was
above myself, watching myself try to wake myself up. In color.
Close up and nothing else was visible outside that area. Seemed
as though I could hear my voice, but I don't remember any words.
Comments by Dreamer
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001 - Anonymous - Shaked by God
002 - Anonymous - Church Dream
003 - Anonymous - past turns to present
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n150.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Shaked by God
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:13:44 -0700
Shaked by God by CdB
Drunken and stoned,my 18-year old adopted Moroccan son had had a
serious accident with his motor-cycle,and there was fear he
would never come out of his coma.On former occasions I had
several times discussed with him the importance of dreaming,but
it was not taken seriously.Happily he recovered. Several weeks
after the accident he handed me the following dream (& drawing)
he had had while lying in coma at the hospital.After it,he had
awaken.
Shaked by God
On the 9th of July I had a very beautiful dream.I was sitting on
a mountain and looking at the sun,realizing how splendid he
shines,radiant yellow and blue.Then it is in my dream a couple of
hours later and the sun has turned into orange. And then,at the
end pink and lilly-like. And I saw the sign of God,His eye.And
the sky was glimmering. According to me,it was a Nova-eye .It
went away and came back,over and over again.And Godshaked me, up
and down and gave me a sign. And I had spoken a word in this
dream,and asked if I could marry Nadia and he shaked to me "yes".
And that was for me a sign that I was heading for a good future
and that I would -Incha Allah - marry Nadia and having two
children. I realized in my dream that I would draw how beautiful
this all was. And I remembered I had a sort of dream like this
once before in my life. I told you about that Blanken.And God
kicked my ass to go downstairs and said:"I will give you a second
chance." (P.S. The dreamer had told me that at his birth there
had been complications and there had been a great chance he had
died.According to him,this had been his first chance,note CdB)
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n150.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Church Dream
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:28:00 -0700
Dream Title Church Dream Uriel
Date of Dream 090.09.99
The Arabic diplome I have is invalid for French studies. I
apologize to a harmful person, then I see a huge churchabove the
clouds and another one made of concrete on the ground.I cannot
make French studies, cause I was given twice to two different
kindergartens. My Catholic grandmother prepared a table and a
stick to be put into her coffin (for her resurrection).
Comments by Dreamer I stopped an extramarital affair with an
African person - and I also began to be interested in my Catholic
ancestors (after being exclusively Jewish for a period). The
dream is about my maturing process.
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n150.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: past turns to present
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:33:50 -0700
Dream Title past turns to present
Date of Dream august 27th
I was at a gathering that seemed to take place with my friends
from several years ago before I moved. I was socializing and
listening to the past friends' problems at this social gathering.
Then I sat on the couch and the conversations continued, but my
ex ( we dated for 2 years and have been seeing each other
non-exclusively for the past year)came and sat down and placed
his head upon my shoulder. I was content, but then he wanted to
do more and i couldn't seem to tell him I didn't want to.
Comments by Dreamer i still love him and he feels the same
way about me, but we know it's not for now. Is it as straight
forward as it seems?
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wondering if you could tell me what you think is going on?
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002 - Anonymous - New Dream
003 - Anonymous - abandoned
004 - Anonymous - J
005 - Anonymous - The French School
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From: Heratheta@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n147
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:13:53 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit killer drm-peace had lain to the
right of the city if you had avoided becoming ridin around
jennifer drm-peace had alin to the right of the middle vehicle if
you had avoided becoming not driven mother drm-peace had lain to
the right of the chair if you had avoided becoming pushed more
at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ with the hurricane dennis i
have been noting how it and even water drains counterclockwise so
it seems to me that in the northern hemisphere it is more
difficult to keep right of our dreams as the norht pole is
pulling our bodies the otherway. figuring necessity is the mother
of invention there is certainly more necessity in the norht to
find ways to avoid the above conflict so does the southern
hemisphere have less problem taking the right approach. although
i know not much from the down under i suspect so. right on!.
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n149.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: New Dream
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:26:03 -0700
Dream Title Church dream Uriel
Date of Dream 1999.09.06
My aunt goes to N.York from Hungary. I meet a Yugoslav woman, who
wonders why my shoes are wet. I apologize from Attila G. (who did
harm me onceon a legal level). Then the tram goes straight to its
old end station where we see very big ruines and a huge new
church, like a giant clockwork above the clouds...Astonishingly
big.Awesome. Then later the "real" temple is shown, its concrete
cubicles.My mother is sorry the water closet is not functioning,
I go over to my aunts house but it is ruined by some Gipsies. I
then discover that I am able to fly through the stones. It is a
great feeling.I really feel like doing it...
Comments by Dreamer My aunt did give me milk when I was an
infant and my mother got hospitalized right after I was born. We
rarely see each other she is abroad most of the time.I used to
live at her place which is in the neighbourhood, right before my
mothers death 15 ys ago (when I was 30).The tramways number and
itinerary was in reality recently changed.I was reading an
article before going to sleep about the Essenes concept of the
Civitas Dei - it might have had some influence on this huge
church images. And I do have nowadays regularly such big dreams,
yesterday I was not allowed to a French school, where I had to
describe the four ends of the word and i heard someone saying
"how nice, a collective archetype" has shown itself...(Ind in a
french school - where I did attend twenty ys ago but then fled
back to Hungary - I was trying to enter with an Arabic inscribed
diplome, which I have stolen, then thrown away - and I must add
that one of my former Romantic Other (a b! ! ad influence simply,
an alterego friend) was a francophone Arab person...And the day
before I was informed in a dream, that "a Shaman has appeared",
hopefully "he will not kill me". Now this Attila guy whom I
begged pardon was attacking me 15 ys ago as a latent antisemite
(me being Jewish, but he lost in court in reality back then. But
on my part I relaized I really was misundarstod because I
fantasized him to be a friend (when I wrote about his shamanistic
rock performance in my paper).On the other hand, Shaman was the
name also of one of my teenager cartoon figures (that I published
in the school newsletter), that I forgot since, until this dream.
To summarize:I see ruins (with destructively seductive Gipsies
referring to Arabs)- my past life centered on anorexic demand of
pleasure , and a new Church is built (my "new life" being more
serene and sober in which "I can fly thru stones" meaning I can
stay calm even in trouble), but it has a concrete level too (more
simple than the fantasy "above the clouds".)
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feelings on getting comments or being published.
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n149.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: abandoned
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 17:17:34 -0700
Dream Title abandoned
Date of Dream 9/7/99
I am always finding myself abandoned by my husband. He always is
leaving me for someone else. Or he is always having an affair.
It is always dark and usually overcast or rainy. I always find
myself catching him in the act and always feel like i'm
struggling. I am usually crying and feel beatten.
Comments by Dreamer I always wake up mad or depressed and i
always talk to him about what i dream. I wake up and always feel
sick the next day like i have actually experienced the dream in
real life.
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n149.4 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: J
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:27:55 -0700
Dream Title J
Date of Dream 4th sept/-
Hello everyone, i had a dream recently and was wondering what it
could mean... i can't remember the whole thing only in fragments.
I had a dream about standing on the platform in a train station
like any train station in any suburbs. It was cold and rainy i
was there try to fish out enough coins to buy some snack in the
vending machine...somehow i live in a slump with all the other
girls and children. One part i remember is talking to Albert
Einstein!!! Not as a brilliant scientist. He was there, just like
the rest of us. He's a Pisces and we were talking about something
that i can't remember...but i remember him talking something
about life he was very compassionate man and have a deep
understanding of life. He was full of wisdom...or something like
that. at one point i was trying to pull something using a string.
i tried to pull the string but it cut my hands and it hurt. i
open my hand and there was some blood because of the cut. And
then i realise he must have used the same kind of string! ! to
pull something up and he didn't look like he was hurt at all. I
turned my head and look at the string hanging there, it was
coated with blood and was dripping.... i lay on a bed
(white sheet) something press behind my back when i roll over on
my back i was on all those needles(only wider and longer...) some
of them already makes me bleed but i was 'told' (by myself like
i know a unspoken requirement) that in order to finish that every
needles have to broke my skin so that blood can be seen...i can
feel the pain it hurt like hell and i have to consciously making
a effort for the needle to penetrate my skin....at the time its
like bleed the already wounded skin A knife is cutting
my face, cutting off the upper most layer so that i look
younger??? that the skin can fully regenerate???? The knife blade
cut it off piece by piece like cutting...a moon cake! there was
no blood, it was rather like.... like cutting soap(mild not
hard) again all i can remember was the searing pain and i tell
myself soon it will be over. it was a weird dream,
somehow its seems important to me to know...it was trying to tell
me something about myself and my current circumstances. It may
well be the key to the heart of my problems...
Something's disturbing me recently. i found myself sweating when
i woke up and that i can't quiet see into my dream like i used to
they were chaotic and hard to grasp.... if anyone have anything
helpful about my dream please drop me a line.
thanx J
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n149.5 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: The French School
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:40:57 -0700
The French School - by Uriel
I dreamt about a French school where I did not qualify with my
stolen Arabic diplome (which i threw away). Later a dreamt about
a Shaman having appeared on a certain date, and I hoped I will be
not killed. Then again I was not allowed to the French school
(next night), but I had to translate the sentence: "les quatres
coins du monde" "the four endings of the world" and I heard a
saying about "how nice, the Collective Unconscious has
appeared"...After that my Aunt went away to New York) and I met a
Yugoslav woman (here it is the next country) wondering why my
shoes are wet. Then I apologize to a guy called Attila (who does
"shamanistic" rock music and attacked me legally in reality 15 ys
ago), and with a new tram line I arrive to a newly built huge
church above the clouds (which has an indream "real" counterpart
built of concrete), and - after not finding the WC in my Aunts
house ruined by Gipsies - I discover that i am able to fly
through stones...Astonishedly i feel my way flying through stone.
(In reality i had a Romantic other - a bad influence so to speak,
an alterego - whom i left a few ys ago, who was a Frencophone
Arab person, and I think the dream refers to my new life - new
church - in which I feel more serene, like flying.)I am a
newcomer, sorry if I was not supposed to comment.)Thanks for
listening. My pen name is AUriel Uriel again (now I dont see what
i am writing anz more, so I stop)
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001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n147
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n148.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n147
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:13:53 EDT
killer drm-peace had lain to the right of the city if you had
avoided becoming ridin around jennifer drm-peace had alin to the
right of the middle vehicle if you had avoided becoming not
driven mother drm-peace had lain to the right of the chair if you
had avoided becoming pushed
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
with the hurricane dennis i have been noting how it and even
water drains counterclockwise so it seems to me that in the
northern hemisphere it is more difficult to keep right of our
dreams as the norht pole is pulling our bodies the otherway.
figuring necessity is the mother of invention there is certainly
more necessity in the norht to find ways to avoid the above
conflict so does the southern hemisphere have less problem taking
the right approach. although i know not much from the down under
i suspect so. right on!.
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001 - Anonymous - The killer. the poet
002 - Anonymous - Jennifers Dream
003 - Anonymous - Mom didn't really die.
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n147.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: The killer. the poet
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:33:24 -0700
Dream Title The killer. the poet
Date of Dream 8/31/99
I was on a el-train riding around the a city at night. I was
reading a newspaper, when I looked up there was this person with
a gray cloth sack on his face and a butcher knife in his right
hand. He was comming right at me. I started to run through each
car trying to get away. but every time I would look back. He was
still there. When the train stopped I jumped out and he followed
me. I tripped over a bottle. He was on top of me I begged him not
to kill me. That I was only twenty-two and I haven't lived a full
life. Then he finally spoke to me and said" he would let me live
for now but later on in my life he would be back to take my life.
Comments by Dreamer When I woke up I felt very calm and
content. What doe's it mean.
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n147.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Jennifers Dream
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:42:11 -0700
Dream Title Jennifers Dream
Date of Dream couple weeks ago,99
I have dreamed that I was enroute to work in a caravan of vans
and I was in the middle vehicle and was not driving we stopped at
a store to get some things at my request and the store we stopped
at was in the middle of nowhere and there were loins everywhere
and there was feeding going on in the background and we got out
anyway and other people also did and we went in to the store and
I felt real weird about going in but did thenafter I went thru
the store wich was laid out like a maze I left out the exit and a
one way exit at that then the guy driving said he parked at the
end of the building and 1/2 of the now truck was in the building
and I had to get thru a small space to get in the truck past
sharp edgeof metal trailor siding the he pulled out so I could
get in and all of a sudden a huge angry Gorrilla leaped out of
the bush and full tackled a lion near me and they were very loud
with spit and claws and dust rolling with them so I wanted to
hurry ! ! while they were disstractedfighting and the now
convertable was having a hard time getting the top up and the guy
driving was in no hurry I forgot something mentioned it then he
offered to stop again but I asked if he was crazzy and said no
then we kept on driving END
Comments by Dreamer please feel free to input I have no clue
but see it all the time now awake like flashes and need advice
feel free to Email me @ jendigo@bellsouth.net thank you for no
pranks
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n147.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Mom didn't really die.
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:17:58 -0700
Dream Title Mom didn't really die.
Date of Dream September 4, 1999 about 4:14 a.m.
In my dream I am pushing my mother in a wheelchair. (She died
August 18, 1999. She was never in a wheelchair.)I ask her if she
is sure she will recover or if she is recovering. (I can't
remember exactly.) She answers something (I can't remember
exactly the words.) The meaning was everything is fine and will
be fine. I feel very happy that my mother will be ok. I'm
pushing her along in this wheelchair and all I can see is the
back of her head and she is wearing her blue front button shirt.
She is holding her purse on her lap. I think we are outside on a
sidewalk. It is sunny and there are trees and plants. This dream
is in color and it felt like it was really happening. Somewhere
in my mind I remember asking God if this was for real. I wake up
when my son is tapping me on the arm wanting to crawl into bed
with me.
Comments by Dreamer If anyone can tell me what this means
you are welcome to write to me. I can already figure it's my
subconscience wish for her to still live and my questioning God
must be my realization she is dead.
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001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n145
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n146.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n145
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:43:24 EDT
drowning drm-peace had lain to the right of the living room if
you had avoided becoming large up north drm-peace had lain to
the right of the north ( to the east) if you had avoided
becoming "had go" future drm-peace had lain to the right of the
man if you had avoided becoming "known"
let me thank the dreamer of "up north' for telling us the
location of the dream for obvious reasons. right on!,dreamer.
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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001 - Anonymous - Child Drowning
002 - Anonymous - Up North by Mookra
003 - Anonymous - Future Prediction
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n145.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Child Drowning
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:56:40 -0700
Dream Title Child Drowning
Date of Dream 8/27 between 10:00pm and 6:00 am
There was a party going on in my living room. Many people were
there. There was a large, dark, deep pool in the center of my
living room (this means my living room was much larger in my
dream than it is in reality). A woman that we know was playing
with her boyfriend's little girl in the water. The little girl
could not swim and was sitting on a raft. The woman was throwing
the little girl into the air and letting her fall into the water.
She would then dive in after her. Every time she did this, I
thought she was taking unbelievable risks. On a few occasions,
she would have to dive down twice before recovering the little
girl. Finally, the inevitable happened: she couldn't find the
little girl. She frantically searched and then told her dad (who
is also a family friend) to find the little girl. The woman's
father, her brother, and my boyfriend were already in the pool.
They began the search. The father of the baby was explaining the
woman ! ! very calmly that if anything happened to his little
girl he wasn't sure he could continue the relationship. I kept
looking underwater to see if I could see anything. It was very
dark, so I went to my closet to find my underwater flashlight
(which I have in reality). Despite my efforts I couldn't find
them. I kept looking at the clock trying to keep track of how
long the little girl had been underwater. I lost track of all the
people in the water. Suddenly the television was showing black
and white footage of the three men pulling the little girl out of
the water. She had been under for an hour. I kept praying to
God to let the little girl be okay. I remember telling him that
he could to anything to me that he wanted to as long as the
little girl was okay. I then woke up.
Comments by Dreamer I felt very sick to my stomach when I
awoke. I felt like my stomach was tied in knots.
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n145.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Up North by Mookra
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:31:52 -0700
Dream Title Up North by Mookra
Date of Dream Morning, August 27th
I had a dream that I was up north visiting some relitives. I had
go up with my mom, my brother, and my husband. The people in my
dream that were supposed to be my relitives I didn't recognise.
There were two children, boy and girl, around age 10. They lived
with there grandma. There mother had drowned in a lake near
there house, years before. I think she was trying to save a
child at the time. Everyone was sitting around the kitchen table
eating breakfast. The children had left the table and then so
did my brother. He went to get his shoes and discovered that the
puppy that was running around had crapped in one of his shoes.
He starts yelling at the puppy and the puppy runs off into the
forest, that was there back yard. I go out and call for the dog
as my brother goes and looks for him. He feels sorry that the
dog ran away. The dog comes to me soon. I am standing on the
back porch. Ever since i went outside to call for the dog I have
bec! ! ome tired. By the time the dog comes to me, I am so tired
I can't stand on my deet or keep my eyes open. I lay on the
porch. My brother, the kids and the puppy all are conserned. I
try to mumble to them that I am fine. My brother gets me to my
feet, takes me inside and sits me at the kitchen table. Even
though I have already eaten two full plates of food for breakfast
my moth insists that I eat another. She also insists that I
drink this little 3 inch tall bottle of pinapple orange juice.
She says that if I don't I will never get better.
Comments by Dreamer I have no idea what it is refering to in
my life.
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n145.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Future Prediction
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:04:37 -0700
Dream Title Future Prediction
Date of Dream 24 Aug 99/3 something in wee hours
This dream occurs many times. In the dream, I know that it was
foretelling my future. I was with a man whom I was aware that he
would be my future 2nd husband but in reality I don't know this
man at all. The funny thing is that "the man" is different each
time although the dream is the same concept. I was once told by
a fortune teller that my 1st husband wl die young & I wl hv a 2nd
husband who's much loving than the 1st. Presently, I have no
other boyfriends besides being faithful to my husband. Please
HELP!! This same concept dream comes once in awhile.. & I didn't
even think of anything.
Comments by Dreamer There is much tender love in the dream &
I seem to be loved & happy.
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001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n140
002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n143
003 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n142
004 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n139
005 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n141
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n140
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:58:44 EDT
candle drm-peace had lain to the right of the neighbor's if you
had avoided becoming "wasn't home"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.2 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n143
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:01:13 EDT
clown drm-peace had lain to the right of the basement if you had
avoided becoming "like a banker"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.3 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n142
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:07:46 EDT
monster freeze drm-peace had lain to the right of the entity
next to your face if you had avoided becoming "as if"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.4 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n139
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:23:19 EDT
stuck drm-peace had lain to the right of the suv if you had
avoided being "borrowed" axe drm-peace had lain to the right of
the mercedes if you had avoided becoming "diamond"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.5 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n141
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:26:22 EDT
empty future dream-peace had lain to the right of the event if
you had avoided becoming "just"
more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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