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DECEMBER 1999
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ Notes to the Editor
The Cyberdreams Community: cyberdreams@lists.best.com
Deborah Leech
++ Column: Dream Trek: My Dream Spirit Is a Feminist
Linda Lane Magall¢n
++ Event: Dreaming in the Millennium
Lars Spivock
++ Article: Spirituality in Dreams
Jean Campbell
++ Article: A Spiritual Collective Dream
Margo Elaine Castagna, Ph.D.
++ Article: Dreams and Western Religion
Richard Wilkerson
++ Article: An Excerpt from the Lucid Dream Exchange
Lucy Gillis
++ Interview: Electric Dreams Interviews Richard Wilkerson about
his new CD-Rom, _A Brief History of Dream Sharing_.
Lars Spivock
++ Article: Dream Reentry and On-line Chat
An Experience of Synchronicity and
Resolving Loss in a Chat Room Setting
Fred Olsen, M.Div.
G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S - Peggy Coats
NEWS * RESEARCH & REQUESTS * WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES *
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Editor's Notes
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Jeremy Taylor noted at the 16 Annual conference for the
Association for the Study of Dreams that spirituality is really
the only category of dreamwork that is protected by the
constitution of the United States. Even psychotherapy doesn't
share this high degree of protection.
Not that dreams need the US Constitution to enjoy spiritual
aspirations. Spiritual dreaming accounts are found in our
earliest writings and by some definitions of spirituality,
interpenetrate all dreaming. Now there is a renewed interest in
spirit and dreams and it seems only fitting to finish off the
last Millennium with an issue on the topic.
One wonders, though, if there really is a renewal, who let
the subscription slip? I look into a few clues on this in an
article tracing the major trends in "Dreams and Western
Religions."
Jean Campbell explores this split in religion and spirituality
and uses dreams and the bell symbol to ring in a little sense and
synchronicity. Read about this experience in "Dreams and
Spirituality."
Linda Magallon returns in her Dream Trek column this month and
takes us on a special kind of spiritual dream journey where
dreams themselves peel back the illusions of the everyday and
allow the feminine spirit to fly. Be sure to read "My Dream
Spirit Is a Feminist."
Margo Elaine Castagna, Ph.D. ups the ante and shows how dreams
can be used for spiritual guidence, and to inspire and deepen our
sense of ourselves in relation to the whole of creation. Read
more about this in "A Spiritual Collective Dream."
For many years, Ruth published the Lucid Dream Exchange, a
collection of people's lucid dreams. Now that Ruth's schedule has
become increasingly busy and she has become involved with other
projects, Lucy Gillis is continuing the project. Please read
about this and how you can contribute. And, enjoy the lucid dream
stories!
To practice what we preach, Lars Spivock is offering a special
event for December 25++ Event: Dreaming in the Millennium
This mutual dreaming project will allow us to flow from one
period of time into another and use our dreams to facilitate the
meaning and value of the future. Read the instructions and mark
your calendar!
Please note: If you would like enjoy the flow of dream people we
get at Electric Dreams, why not become part of the Friends of
Electric Dreams WebRing? For more information, Contact Victoria
Quinton e-mail: mermaid@alphalink.com.au
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~mermaid
Peggy Coats has makes it easy for you to find the best dream
events online, globally and regionally. Whether you want to meet
with a local group or fly to a Hawaiian volcano for the
Millennium, the Global Dreaming News has the events for you!
Special note: Come chat with me online in real time THIS
Wednesday, DEC 1st at 7:00pm Pacific Time, 10:00 Eastern. I will
be discussing the future of dreaming in Cyberspace and have some
special topic discussions. Don't miss out! Send an email NOW for
information to chat@asdreams.org for an automatic instructions.
See you there!
As many of you know, I was busy developing a dream information CD
this summer, but just haven't had time to promote it much. So I
am thankful for the interview that Lars Spivock conducted with me
as it gave me a chance to spell out a little more what the CD is
about. It is a CD for PCs that includes the DreamGate History of
Dream Class plus tons of resources, called _a Brief History of
DreamSharing: Theory, Techniques and Cyberspace_. Wow! See the
interview below.
Fred Olsen was one of the early pioneers in online dreamwork and
has been teaching Dream Reentry for decades. If you had any
questions about how touching and moving an online dream session
can be, you really need to read "Dream Reentry and On-line Chat.
An Experience of Synchronicity and Resolving Loss in a Chat Room
Setting."
NEXT MONTH: The Future of Dreamwork. What will dreamwork be
like in the 21st Century? Will it provide techniques and
processes completely unrecognizable to us, or will the basics we
have already developed continue to serve the needs of those
sharing and exploring dreams? Send me you opinions, essays,
articles and links before DEC 15 for the first 2000 Electric
Dreams.
If you would like to join one of our futuristic dream groups,
simply send a note to our DreamWheel moderator, Kathy Turner at
kathyturner@bigpond.com
or stop by
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple/
-Richard
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Dream Airing:
News, Notes and Events
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ERRATA:
Last month I incorrectly assigned the wrong editors to the new
book Dreamscaping. Here is the correct information:
An anthology called _Dreamscaping_, put out by Mark Waldman and
Stanley Krippner.
See http://www.dreamgate.com/dreamscaping.htm
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Speaking of dreams and spirituality, have you read Kelly
Bulkeley's _Visions of the Night, Dreams, Religions and
Pyschology_. This 1999 book from SUNY press is quite a mindful
and is mindful of dreams and their psychospiritual dimensions.
Kelly explores how dreams can provide access to more thatn the
surface, to something beyond ordinary, waking consciousness in a
set a very well constructed essays from several fields.
Dream sharing is valorized. "From one perspective, dreamsharing
groups can be seen as resisting and even overcoming the
spiritually destructive effects of modern secularized
society....dreamsharing groups offer the means to a re-
enchantment of the world, to a renewal and revival of authentic
spiritual experience with contemporary society.: Pg 34.
Richard
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The Cyberdreams Community
cyberdreams@lists.best.com
Deborah Leech
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WHY I LIKE GROUP DREAMS:
Note: the cyberdreams info file explains terms I refer to, like
coded scenario, target, host, etc.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/cyberdreams/
I love these dream weekends. I feel like I get a triple gift.
First the gift of the dream. Then when I see the decoded
scenery, I get a second gift, as suddenly all the dreams seem to
mesh together in a way that I hadn't seen before, and I see my
own dream in a new light.
In between group dream journeys, we talk about any subject
related to the world of dreams. We love hearing about each
other's dreams. It is amazing how our dreams can be connected to
each other's dreams, as well as to our waking life, and current
events.
Over time, we've seen some notable themes emerge in our dreams.
This is a learning process.
RECURRING, GROUP-CREATED SYMBOLS AND ARCHETYPES. CREATING
CORRELATIONS BETWEEN DREAMS, NOT NECESSARILY RELATING TO THE
GROUP SETTING:
Our current format places the emphasis on precognitive,
"psychic" elements of dreaming. So our discussions seem to be
about finding "hits" or links. Interestingly, even in this
format, we always have a second story of themes and connections
that run parallel to the host's dream scenario--as if our
collective dreambodies have plans of their own!
One aspect of dream theory is about discovering the unique
language of your dreams, within the universal themes that we all
share. It seems as if we are, as a group, developing our own set
of recurring symbols, generated independently of the structured
format of our group dreams.
Over time, our dreams have expanded upon the shared themes and
symbols that have come up from time to time (i.e. numbers, dogs,
theatre performances). As we assign meaning to those shared
symbols, we could even eventually develop a group dream
vocabulary. With each dream
project, we continue to use previous themes in new ways, and to
build on themes that seem to be group-created, though seemingly
separate from the chosen scenario.
Even though we take great care to plan to be dreaming on the same
nights, I am convinced, however, that these dream journeys take
place outside of the boundaries of conventional time and space.
We have had many demonstrations of this. The most recent was
when we had dreams related to the Aztec calendar and its history
before the Aztec dream weekend was even announced! It seems that
each dreamer's intent to connect to the group and the magnetic
power of the host's image are dynamic focusing forces. Somehow
they bring us together without our physically being in the same
place, or doing the same thing at the same time.
THE ADVANTAGE OF GROUP DISCUSSION AND SHARING OF DREAMS:
I love it when we have a group discussion of the groups dreams.
I think we have all seen, through each of our own unique
perspectives, a demonstration of group interactivity during each
of our group dreams. Group discussion on the connections and
meanings of the group dreams adds to our understanding of the
dreams. As well, it probably amplifies the dreamtime
relationships we have developed in the imaginal realm, and
engages our conscious selves in this subconscious process. Many
forms of dream work that encourage dream skills such as recall
and lucidity, emphasize solidifying conscious intention by
processes such as journaling about or discussing dreams with
others.
I assume that the reason our process has evolved the way it has,
with rotating hosts doing the facilitating and analysis, is
primarily a matter of convenience, due to limited time by list
members. One of the advantages of this method that has
developed, in my mind, is that we have been able to see the
unique ways that different people view and interpret the dream
world. I have received much insight from each one of our dream
excursions. Even the times when I couldn't remember my dreams, I
have eagerly looked forward to each host's dream analysis.
A COMMENT ON OUR PARTICULAR METHOD:
(Note: our method is explained in the info file--i.e. the coded
scenario, guessing a target, etc.)
As I see it, the "blind" experiments are a left-brain, scientific
protocol imposed on our dream project, as a way to _test_ our
right-brain, psi or intuitive abilities. I think this protocol
has given us some very valuable insights. I believe my primary
attraction to this group is the opportunity it gives me to
enlarge the context of my dream journeys by collaborating with
others and to also creatively _develop_ my dream skills, and
_discover_ aspects of dream reality and the process of conscious
dreaming. However, I know from experience with myself and others
that sometimes the pressure of being tested can be daunting and
impede the intuitional process. Nonetheless, the desire to
communicate and connect in our dreams seems to invariably
overcome possible impediments that usually obstruct more
conscious approaches to intuition.
--
Deborah Leech
dleech@mail.coin.missouri.edu
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I'd like to suggest a site that is still in the process of
expanding located
at http://www.queenofdreams.com
It is the website of Heather Valencia, a highly regarded artist,
teacher, writer and dreamer who works in the ancient Yaqui
tradition of the Fifth World Dreamers. Heather lived for many
years on the Yaqui reservation in southern Arizona with her
husband, Anselmo Valencia, the spiritual head of the Yaqui
nation. Heather gives workshops and leads dream circles around
the world and is the author of the book "Queen of Dreams: The
Story of a Yaqui Dreaming Woman"
published by Simon & Schuster.
Best regards,
Megan Whilden
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DREAM TREK
By Linda Lane Magalln
My Dream Spirit Is a Feminist
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I met God.
"What," he said, "you already?"
"What," I said, "you still?"
~~~Laura Riding, Collected Poems, 1938~~~
Dream: The Second Level God
A huge giant is chasing me and two others. We run into the forest
to escape him, then climb a mountain. Toward the top of the
mountain is a ranger station. At the door the ranger bids us,
"Come in."
As the giant threatens to come ever nearer, a flash of light goes
off, temporarily blinding him. He stumbles back. One of the
others with me says, "He (the ranger) has set up square
reflecting plates to scare the giant away."
The ranger replies, "HE?" She takes off her mask, smiling, to
reveal a blonde-haired woman. The ranger explains that she is a
"second level god" and has come back to earth to help others (to
the god level). She leads us out the door and down the path,
around the mountain. On the other side of the mountain we see a
large valley. The ranger says, "Just a moment," requesting the
three of us to wait here.
Then I suddenly co-exist with the ranger. She/I spreads her/my
arms and leans over, allowing the air to buoy her/me up. One of
"us" exclaims, "She's flying!" She/I smiles and flies toward
the top of the mountain as a vantage point from which to watch
the giant.
"The Journey (of women becoming) is itself participation in
Paradise." ~~~Mary Daly, Gyn/Ecology: The Metaethics of Radical
Feminism, 1978~~~
Dream: Goddess on a Pedestal
I'm inside a small chapel with a pointed, arched roof. There are
no people around and I want to get out of this scene to be with
others. Spotting a hole in the wall, I go through it.
On the other side, I am disappointed to find only a long
corridor. Briefly, I see a woman in a head shawl walking toward
me. Because she reminds me of a Madonna, I think of "gods" and
"goddesses."
I go back into the chapel and walk up on to a pedestal shaped
like a diving board. I want to feel what it would be like to be
a "goddess." I stand at the end of the diving board for a short
while. It seems rather lonely with no one else in the chapel.
Then I sit down and begin to read something that looks like a
picture-book Bible, which features a geographical map of the
United States. I seem to be listening to a record as I read
along. I can hear a male narrator saying, "...and God made
America...and swimming pools."
"Swimming pools?!" The thought is so absurd it makes me laugh out
loud. Amused, I think, well, yes, "He" did make swimming pools
indirectly, through us human beings.
"The unfolding of God...involves the creation of new space, in
which women are free to become who we are, in which there are
real and significant alternatives to the prefabricated
identities provided within the enclosed spaces of patriarchal
institutions."
~~~Mary Daly, Gyn/Ecology~~~
Dream: I'm the Levitating Third God, Tabor
I'm high atop an enclosed platform on stilts (like a fire lookout
station). I am dressed in a heavy robe and long grey hair,
mustache and beard to look like a patriarch. Surrounded by a
group of swarthy men in grey suits, I step outside to the edge
of an attached platform made up of wooden slats, with spaces
between. When I look down, I see that my feet are right at the
edge, and there's no railing.
A crowd of men standing below roars at my appearance. My robe is
lined with shaggy white fir that wraps around at the edges, but
otherwise is burgundy in color. Because of the reddish color,
the crowd recognizes me as the "third god." "Tabor! Tabor!"
they chant.
As if on a PA system, a male voice begins speaking in Arabic, and
I mouth the speech, pretending it's me doing the talking.
Extending my right arm I wave it back and forth over the crowd,
down and right as a blessing, and left and right to tell the men
to sit down. Most of those in the front do sit down. I do one
more full sweep so those in back get the message, too.
Telepathically, I overhear one of my entourage think a word in
English which is a translation of what I've been parroting. The
word is "insurrection." I suddenly know the purpose of this
speech is to incite the crowd of men to riot. With than
realization, I stop, turn around and go inside. Pretending to
be a god is fun, but I refuse to be the cause of an uprising.
Inside, there are no men in view, but because the front is open
to the crowd, and there's an open doorway on the left, I scrunch
into a corner as I change out of my clothes. Will the people
figure it out? I wonder. I turn the robe inside-out so only the
lining shows and place it into a large straw purse to sling over
my shoulder. This way I'll appear as a poor peasant girl, part
of the entourage. The people won't suspect me because I'm
female. I also take the white makeup off my face.
Then the scenario repeats with a new variation. This time I
levitate off the platform, still standing atop the wooden porch
which is as large as a doormat. Gliding overhead, I wow the
crowd.
The scenario repeats yet a third time. From the edge, I levitate
to where a young boy is seated on the peak of a single-story
house, watching. I extend my hand. He's scared but finally
takes my hand and steps onto the wooden mat with me. We take
off flying above the crowd.
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Dreaming in the Millenium
Copyright 1999 by Lars Spivock
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Artists, executives, and engineers are often delighted to find
inspiration during their sleep. You do not have to wait for
dreaming wisdom to come to you. You can simply ask for it! Here
are two simple ways to gain insights about the millenium:
INDIVIDUAL MILLENIUM DREAM QUEST
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At night --
* If possible, pick a day when you do not wake to an alarm
clock.
* Keep a pen and paper at your bedside.
* Do only relaxing things in the hour before bed.
* After closing your eyes, ask your inner self for a millenium
message or symbol.
* Also tell yourself that you will remember your dreams in the
morning.
* Keep asking for a message and affirming to remember it as you
fall asleep.
The next morning --
* As you realize you are waking, keep your eyes closed and stay
still.
* Calmly review what you were just dreaming.
* Open your eyes and immediately write out and make drawings of
your dreams.
When journaling dreams, write down and draw everything you
remember, even small fragments. You can wonder about their
meanings after they are safely recorded in your journal. Keep
your pen and paper with you to record dream memories that are
triggered during your daily activities.
You are the expert when it comes to interpreting your dreams.
Spend a little quiet time with your journal and you will discover
messages that may be disguised as puns, metaphors or roles played
by you or other characters.
You can repeat the above practice as often as desired. Have a
relaxed attitude of acceptance and sooner or later you will be
rewarded with some gems.
COMMUNITY MILLENIUM DREAM
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Many of us will be staying up past midnight on December 31 or
have friends in other time zones who will enter the year 2000
many hours before us. For this reason and to avoid weekdays, our
mutual dreaming experience will be on December 25, 1999.
Follow the same general guidelines for the INDIVIDUAL MILLENIUM
DREAM QUEST.
Before going to sleep Saturday night, December 25 --
* Prepare your writing materials and relax for an hour.
* After closing your eyes ask your inner self to join with
thousands of other dreamers to reveal the mysteries of the
millenium.
* Keep repeating your request and telling yourself that you will
remember your dreams in the morning.
Upon awakening, Sunday morning, December 26 --
* Without changing the position of your body or opening your
eyes, calmly review your dreams.
* Journal your dream with as much detail as you can recall.
Please send email to y2k@dreamgate.com with the results of your
dreams and I will send you a summary of everyone's dreams. Those
without email may send a letter to Lars in care of [this
publication]. Participants will remain anonymous.
I wish you wonderful dreams!
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About the author--
Lars Spivock is an international technology consultant and an
original member of the DreamGate team. He has been a lucid
dreamer since early childhood. He free lances for The Wisdom
Channel, Electric Dreams, and America Online's Alternative
Medicine Forum. Lars has contributed to outreach and education
projects for the Intuition Network, Institute of Noetic Sciences,
Association for the Study of Dreams, Bay Area Dreamworkers, and
the Dream Library and Archive. Lars may be contacted via
y2k@dreamgate.com.
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Spirituality in Dreams
Jean Campbell
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When I first heard that the word *yoga* and the word for joy
came both from the same Sanskrit root, meaning "to yoke", or to
join with the Universe, I nodded my head. Yes, that seems right.
Sometimes, I believe, we mistake religion for spirituality.
And though it's true that religion can be spiritual, or lead to
spiritual experience, the two are not the same.
Instead, I think, the spirit is our connection with the
greater universe, the ineffable, the unknowable; and dreams, like
some yoga practices, can open this connection, join us to our
joy.
When I began to dream lucidly, back in the early seventies,
my dreams many times involved the sound of bells--
*It is dawn, I rise from my straw pallet on the floor of
a bare, stone room, go out to the still-warm tiles of the church
roof overlooking the plaza, and pull the enormous wheel attached
to the deep-voiced bell in the belfry. Bbongg, bbongg. I ring
in the day with joy.*
In another dream, I am floating at the ceiling of my
apartment living room, riding the sound of a dozen different
bells. "Bells, bells, bells, bells," I chant, laughing and
flying.
In both of these dreams, the sound of the bells filled me
with joy which surely touched my soul.
The sound of the bell has been used world over, and
throughout time, from Tibetan monasteries to Catholic cathedrals,
not just to summon the pious to prayer, but also to signify "pay
attention," and to lift our hearts. "Make a joyful noise unto
the Lord," the scriptures say.
Another time my dreams involved the bells, I was traveling
in Switzerland where, led by a dream, I recorded the sound of a
Sunday drive across the Alps to Salzburg.
This trip actually began with a dream, when Jungian
philosopher, Dr. Marian Pauson, announced a class trip to
Switzerland. Of course I couldn't go, I thought. I had a full
time job and no extra cash.
A week or so before the registration deadline, I dreamed
that I went to Marian's office. One entire wall of this office
in the dream was covered by an enormous metal sculpture, a copper
sunburst which chimed like a gong when touched.
Touching the sculpture, sending a thrill of sound down my
dream spine, Marian told me I would be going to Switzerland.
And then an old friend offered to give me a check to cover
half the trip, but only if I promised to go.
A few weeks later, at sunset, I was on my way up the
mountain from Montreaux to the inn at Caux where the class would
be held. My friend, June, was at the wheel of the little red
Renault rental car. I turned my head to take one last look at
Lake Geneva before it was lost in the curve of the mountains.
Suddenly time stopped.
I remembered my dreams, one in particular, from my teenage
years. In this particular dream, I am part of a line of young
women, dressed in peasant garb of long stockings, mid-calf
skirts, and embroidered woolen vests over long-sleeved white
blouses, making my way down toward a shining lake and a group of
young men. We are all happy and laughing. The language we speak
is French.
I realized at some point in my life that, prior to my meager
college studies of the language, in many dreams I had been
speaking in French.
What an oddity, I had thought. Maybe I had a lifetime in
France. Then, quite suddenly, as I looked at Lake Geneva, I was
aware of *being* the young woman in the dream. I *remembered* going down to the lake, and I remembered the convent life which
followed.
The paper assigned for this class in Switzerland was to take
a symbol from a dream during the class and analyze it deeply,
examining the hermeneutics of the symbol. I knew before leaving
that I would take the symbol of the bell.
On the last evening of the class, filled with a spirit of
nostalgia for all that we were about to leave, we students
solemnly circled the inside of the tiny chapel next to the inn,
each bearing a long, white taper. At breakfast that morning, Dr.
Marian had sat down wearing a puzzled expression. "I was
dreaming hymns all night," she had said. "I wish I could
remember the words."
Hum the tune, we told her. We had gathered around her at
the circular table on the patio, listening as she hummed.
"Oh, that's easy," June, the musician, had said. "I know
it." So did others of us.
"Praise to the Lord, the Almighty, the King of Creation," we
sang.
Now, marching twice around the chapel, holding our candles
against the twilight, we sang, "Oh my soul praise Him, for He is
our strength and salvation."
The old German hymn spilled easily from our lips, a paean to
all the creative joy we had experienced.
"All ye who hear, now to the altar draw near.
Praise in profound adoration."
The King of Creation seemed to grace this Jungian effort at
understanding creativity. Like specks of creativity thrown off
by the light of the larger flame, we stood in the twilight door
of the chapel, the sky outside the doorway fading from blue to
purple against the fire of sunset on snow capped peaks.
The next day, after saying goodbye to our friends, June and
I left to drive across Switzerland, across Austria to Vienna,
where we would spend a few days before our return to the United
States.
That was Saturday. On Sunday I woke with a smile. Now is
the time, I told June, to begin recording the bells.
Almost the minute I pulled the tape recorder from my pack,
church bells began to ring from near and far, echoing against the
mountain. Nearby, the clank of a cow bell joined the cacophony.
In Salzburg we visited the upstairs apartment in which
Mozart began his life. It was easy to understand from here why
the music of bells was so important to Mozart since nearby, close
enough to see and hear, is the famous Salzburg Carillon, rising
above a cobbled square.
We went to the square and sat on the edge of the fountain
there, waiting to hear the bells. Now, this is a world famous
instrument, on which it is possible to play any tune. A crowd
gathered to hear it play. On the stroke of one, the bells rang
out: "Praise to the Lord, the Almighty, the King of creation...."
June and I looked at each other in disbelief. Wow, wouldn't
Marian be impressed when we told her this. Talk about
synchronicity. We elbowed each other and laughed.
The mighty Carillon finished the hymn, paused for a moment
and began again. Like an echo of our earlier walk around the
candlelit chapel, the bells began to play, "Praise to the Lord,
the Almighty...."
And again, a third time, the carillon played the same tune.
By this time, June and I were howling with laughter, tears
streaming from our eyes, weakly holding onto each other, much to
the concern of some others in the crowd at the base of the bell
tower. Crazy Americans.
The final mystery of this trip came not long after I
returned home. I was awakened early one morning from a dream.
All that remained in my consciousness was a voice saying to me,
"The monastery is gone now."
Whether or not this series of dreams had to do with another
life, and whether or not they had to do with a Christian life, I
feel that the *gestalt* of the experience is clear. In order to
reach our joy, in order to connect with our spirit, no particular
religion is necessary: no monastery, no church, no building or
physical location. Only a willing heart, and a spirit ready to
en-joy the world, to listen to our dreams.
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Jean Campbell is the author of _Dreams Beyond Dreaming_ and one
of the first members of ASD and one of its first conference
presenters. At that time she was the director of a consciousness
research organization, Poseidia Institute, in Virginia Beach,
Virginia, where, among other things, she conducted dream
research. After pursuing doctoral studies at The American
University in Washington, D.C., . she is now working on her
second book about dreams _Group Dreaming: Dreams to the Tenth
Power_. Jean also has interests in teaching people how to
utilize body consciousness while working with dreams and conducts
sessions and workshops in DreamWork/BodyWork. You can also find
Jean hosting the Bulletin Board as the Association for the Study
of Dreams:
. http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm
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A Spiritual Collective Dream
Margo Elaine Castagna, Ph.D.
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While all dreams offer the possibility of integration of unknown
personality elements within our psyches, thus expanding our self
awareness, spiritual dreams also have the capacity to guide,
inspire and deepen our sense of ourselves in relation to the
whole of creation.
In our modern secular society where do people seek and find
direct spiritual experience? In ancient times ritual provided
the container for myth and contact with the Self or Godhead.
Today collective dreams provide the path and opening to a direct
experience with numinous symbols or transpersonal realms. This
transpersonal bond is the foundation for the ego or self.
Image, symbol, and mythic dream themes weave us into the fabric
of humankind throughout the ages. This sense of orientation, so
lacking in our present time, quiets the anxiety and quells the
depression that is so prevalent in today's society. Collective
dreams offer meaning and richness to one's personal life path.
In short, spiritual dreams have the properties to compensate for
the emptiness of modern day life.
A particular dream coming out of a collective source leads and
inspires a group. When a group of people gather with the
intention to dream a collective dream, the heavens open with joy
and shower us with archetypal images, symbols and mythic themes.
I am always astonished at how with only an intention and an open
heart so much is given. Even so, it has been my experience that
our present societal values and interests aim to entice us and
distract us from the inner life. There is much to entertain us
on the material plane, pretending to offer us happiness and
contentment. But we neglect our spirituality at our own peril
with the result of narrowing and possibly losing our sense of
self and our connection with the guiding Self. We can problem
solve, change this and that, attain our goals, but if there is
neither guiding images, nor numinous symbols, there is no bedrock
for the transformation process. Spiritual dreams and rituals
can provide these essential spiritual experiences.
Let me offer an example of a collective spiritual dream and the
interpretations (keeping in mind that there are many levels and
types of dream interpretation).
This summer a group of women journeyed to Bali, Indonesia on a
spiritual quest. Rather than have a tightly structured study
schedule, we trusted that our group psyche would lead us and
teach us through dreams, of course being in a foreign country in
itself is also a great teacher. In addition to meditation and
contemplation on the goddess, Saraswati, our main thrust was to
follow the collective dreams. As the leader I had meditated
beforehand on the energy of the Balinese Hindu goddess
Saraswati, the "flowing one" and goddess of creativity, arts,
and education. I am going to share the first dream of the
journey that was chosen randomly from the dream basket trusting
that it would be our guiding dream, not only addressing the
deepening of our group soul but of humankind as a whole.
The seminal dream of our journey was the following:
Lillie's Group Dream
We are together. There is another woman with us. She has dark
hair. She is talking to us about what "flowing " means - a
deeper level. She is asking us to ask ourselves what's the
meaning of flowing. We are inside a space-not this rooms (the
meeting room in Bali).
The scene changes and the group are around me. I am aware that we
are all here. There is another woman they're looking for bones.
There are plants, rocks, and statues on the path. I lift up a
bag that I can see through and I can see bones in it. I say, "Oh
we've found the mother's bones. Now we have to find the
father's bones". We continue on the path.
This is a spiritual collective dream because the images are
mythic and transpersonal. The mythic images and symbols that
appear are the teacher, the flowing water, the path, the mother,
the father, the bones, and seeking or questing for an object.
The dream begins with the woman with dark hair. The women felt
that this woman was an image of Saraswati whom we had invoked to
be with us on this journey. Saraswati originally came down to
earth from the heavens as the mighty Saraswati River. This
connects the image of "flowing' with water, and the directive
comes from the heavens or transpersonal realms. Saraswati is
not a fertility goddess, but rather she promotes fertility and
creativity with her regenerating waters. In her aspect as the
"flowing one" she blesses, purifies, and cleanses. For this
particular group of women, who were experienced in their own
inner work, the goddess's requirements were to draw upon their
own wisdom and knowledge, not to project authority onto an
outer figure to tell them the answers. Because this question is
not being asked by an ordinary individual but by a goddess, the
emphasis is on a transpersonal connection. As for our group, we
opened our hearts and minds to be observant to the culture of
Bali, to the spirit of Bali, and to the movement of the light
and the dark forces. We vowed to flow in the Middle Way between
the opposites -- keeping the directive of "flowing" ever present
in our thoughts.
The Next scene concerns the bones and the path. Bones are the
structure of the body. They relate to ancestors and lineage. In
this case they are the essence of the mother and father. As
women we carry the essence of the mother in our bones. This
group of women have in various ways found a spiritual connection
to the feminine through direct experience in ritual, myth or
dream. Now integration of the father's "bones" would be our
directive in this journey. What is the essence of the father -
both dark and light? This was the question we then considered
as we set out on the path. The path suggested a seeking for
integration and wholeness - the joining of the essence of the
mother with the essence of the father. Each subsequent dream
addressed this question from many aspects.
While seeking the father's bones, we became like a holy river
connecting ourselves to the heavens and the earth. We
meandered, moved swiftly and deeply, became caught in eddies and
whirlpools of emotions and human foibles all the while keeping
the intention of centering at the heart level.
The path being the metaphor of the way to the Self was before us.
Even though we have left Bali, we are still journeying on the
path to the Self. These experiences of the sacred through dream
and sacred sites work on us long after we leave the traveling
group.
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Margo Elaine Castagna, Ph.D. Transpersonal Psychology, has
conducted research on the effect of ancient ritual on modern
woman in transition and led numerous groups focusing on dreams,
rituals, and mythology. Currently, she is leading dream groups
in Palo Alto, CA.
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Dream and Western Religion
Richard Wilkerson
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Although every major religion began with dream sharing, the
practice was eventually banned or restricted to a small group at
the top of the hierarchy. Mohammed, for example, banned dream
interpretation, but asked his followers to tell him their dreams.
In Christianity, only saints were allowed to interpret dreams.
Esoterics sporadically revived and experimented with dream
sharing, but at their own risk & peril. It was not uncommon, for
example, for women to be burnt as witches during the Spanish
Inquisition for dream sharing. This story repeats itself in all
the axis religions East and West.
Is this mass condemnation a coincidence, or is there something
essentially evil about dream sharing? The simple answer seems to
be that there is something about the sharing of dreams that
initially participates in transformational socio-religious
movements, but then once the movement
becomes structured, the dreams threaten the interpretive
authority of the orthodox hierarchy.
More complex reasons emerge as we study each movement more
closely.
Dream sharing is now being re-discovered by many religions, but
it has mostly been mediated by the use of dreams in psychology.
Esoteric religious practices are now so common place its hard to
really call them esoteric anymore. What then can be lifted out of
all these secular practices that will define spiritual dreamwork
from other forms of dream sharing? The lion's share of this work
is still to be done, but there are some pioneers that have begun
setting up outposts.
Dreams and the Children of Abraham
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A Hebrew Dream Story
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Morton Kelsey made the observation that the Old Testament often
makes little distinction between visions and dreams. Seen this
way, the number of significant dreams increase dramatically, even
if just "night visions" are considered. As Kelly Bulkeley point
out in _Spiritual Dreaming_, even if these dreams were rhetorical
or literary devices instead of actual dreams, the fact that
dreams could be used as rhetorical devices points to the obvious
conclusion that they were being used all the time in as mediums
of the Divine.
God spoke to Abraham through dreams and through dialogue
between them Abraham led the Hebrews out of the obscurity of the
ancient Tigris-Euphrates River Valley and into a prominent place
in history. Dreams continued to guide the people until the time
of David, and such stories as Joseph and Pharaoh and Jacob's
dream of reconciliation with God are well known, though hundreds
more dot the starry landscape of the Bible.
But by the time of David, false prophets were a problem and some
forms of dream interpretation were punishable by death.
(Deuteronomy 13:1-5) The test of true and false prophesy was
rather harsh. Basically anyone could be a prophet and dream
interpreter, but if you were wrong just once, you got stoned to
death. Even the kings, as they got more and more into trouble,
ceased recording their dreams.
By the 6th Century B.C., recorded discussions had begun again
about dreams and any prophet worth his/her salt was expected to
be open to the divine though them and to be able to interpret
them. The key to distinguishing true from false dreams and
interpretations had to do with whether of not the Spirit of God
was in them. Thus from this time we get Joel's 2:28 famous dream
quote:
"Your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall
dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions."
Soon the law passed from inspiration by God to an evaluation
by the group. If the dream interpretation was about turning away
from the God of Israel, it was simply wrong - and you were put
to death. Generally it is felt that part of this law was to
protect the Jewish people from the surrounding pagans and other
interpreters who used dreams to tell people what they wanted to
hear. The dream interpreter had to be one who was open to God's
revelation and stood a little above the rest of the crowd and
could interpret the significance of the vision. The revelations
were available to all, but now it took a prophetic personality to
see it.
When the Hebrews were enslaved by the Babylonians, it is clear
that dream interpretation practices in this culture surrounded
them. But the story of the failure of Nebrechadnezzer's court
interpreters and the success of Daniel's interpretation speaks to
a strength of the traditions that the Hebrews brought with the
into captivity. The richness of interpretation suggests, says
Leroy Howe, that Daniel had a whole community tradition to draw
from, though the final interpretive source was God.
If the Apocrypha can be our evidence, then dreams continued to
be of value through the time Christ. They were considered
doorways to another world, though superstitious interpretation
and pre-occupation were discouraged and mocked. The official
dream interpreters were now only the most learned and powerful of
the leaders, though it is said that secular dream interpreters
were so highly valued that unlike other professions, they
nearly always got paid.
The Talmud continues commenting on dreams from 200 to 500
A.D. separating good and bad dreams, though even bad dreams could
be inspirations for reform. From the Talmud comes the famous
saying:
"An uninterpreted dream is like an unread letter" Rabbi
Hisda
The Great Jewish Hellenist of Alexandria, Philo, wrote several
books on dreams as well as the highly influential Maimonides, who
felt that those who were prepared would receive visions in sleep
as the grip of consciousness slackened and the divine was allowed
to flow through the imaginative faculties.
Writers right up to present time can be found in the Jewish
tradition, but the general art of dream interpretation seemed to
have been kept to the most learned, and followed by an isolated
intelligencia. The only exception to this is a magnificent
flowering of esoteric ideas that came from the Jewish community
in Spain between 1150 and 1490 in Kaballistic literature.
The first bloom, around 1260, saw the development of the
symbolism of the Tree of Life (the Sefierot) which was closely
tied with gnosticism and neo-platonic thought, as well as
influences of the surrounding Islam. The most popular book, the
Zohar, appears and pulls together two channels of thought. The
first was the concern with the problem of evil which was unfolded
in a rich demonology, and the second a concern with inner
mysticism & prophecy with ties to Sufism, Yoga, Byzantine
Mysticism and the Rabbinical tradition. The Zohar uses a method
of interpretation that allows for multiple levels; literal,
moral, allegorical and mystical. The symbolic unfolding of the
Tree of Life and general interpretation of Everything includes
dream imagery.
The Tree of Life is a metaphorical structure of the way God
manifests through all things and how they interrelate. Dreams
contain symbols that can them be related to the Seiferot so that
the participant may come into alignment with God.
While the Kaballistic movements dissipated with the expulsion
of the Jews from Spain in 1492, the influence through poorly
translated and watered down Christian versions were the most
influential forces on the occult philosophies that began to
emerge in Europe in the 16th Century. Though drastically
missing the spirit of the work, the influence of the Kaballa on
esoteric thought is undeterminably deep. One can see this clearly
by looking at the structure of a modern Tarot deck. This
mysticism was revived in the 20th Century by Gershom G. Sholem
who was at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem between 1923 and
1965. See his 1941 Major Trends in Jewish Mysticism.
A Christian Dream Story
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One might guess that the Christian dream story starts around the
First Century AD and could be traced to the present as a
variation of Hebrew traditions. But in fact, Christianity was a
Greek project, and early on the focus was on the Greco-Roman
world. The influx of Greek thought on dreams would present the
church with such tension filled questions that it eventually
banned dream revelations rather than deal with these questions.
What were these Greek Influences?
In the Homeric Greece, popular dream theory seems to be a mix
of influences. There was the idea that gods and demons visit us
in dreams and there was a shamanistic, Indo-European overlay,
(Orphic) of the wandering soul during dreams. To enter Apollo's
temple and speak with an oracle (or oracle's attendant) one first
had to sleep on the steps and have an appropriate dream.
Many dreams required interpretation, and examples of this are
found in Homer's Iliad and Odyssey. Those that were clear still
posed a problem. Odysseus's wife Penelope explains the core
dilemma that will haunt the Christian Church in later millennium;
"...in truth dreams, do arise which are perplexing and
hard to understand, which in men's experience do not come true.
Two gates there are for unsubstantial dreams, one made of horn
and one of ivory. The dreams that pass through the carved ivory
delude and bring us talkes that turn to naught; those that come
forth through polished horn accomplish real things, wherever they
are seen. Yet through this gate come not I think my own strange
dream" Odyssey 19.559ff.
Other Greek ideas on dreams include the cult of Asklepios, the
philosophers and dreams as dramatic devices in writing and plays.
Around the fifth and sixth century B.C. there arose the Cult
of Asklepios, whose priers maintained dream sanctuaries for those
who needed healing. Those in need would come to the spa and try
to have a healing dream, usually of being touched by the god
Asklepios or one of his images such as the snake or dog. These
sanctuaries spread throughout the Aegean and Asia Minor and
lasted into Roman times.
Dreams were also important in Greek Drama, and there is some
evidence (skimpy) that dreams may have been acted out in
amphitheaters, originally as part of orgiastic group dances that
were tamed into scripted drama. Finally, the Early Church was
influenced by Plato, and the idea that knowledge could come from
the irrational as well as our senses and reason.
The story of New Testament begins with dream sharing, in an
angel coming to Joseph in his sleep and instructing him to stick
with Mary even though she is pregnant with someone else's child.
Although there are no recorded dreams of Jesus per say, visions
surround his life and there are many dreams recorded by the
apostles. These dream visions continue into the literature that
surrounds the New Testament, such as the Apocrypha, the Shepard
of Hermas and the Martyrdom of Polycarp.
Morton Kelsey makes the point that while dreams were seen in both
the New and Old Testament as pathways to and from God, there were
discussed more in the Old Testament. He speculates that this is
due to the Old Testament being written by those who were
surrounded by pagan dream practices and wanted to distinguish the
unique Hebrew experience from the Babylonian surroundings. The
early Christians simply accepted dreams a route that God could
speak. Dreams and visions were good or bad depending on the
ability of the person having the dream to be able to tell the
difference, what Paul calls the discernment of the spirits. Bad
dreams came from the false prophet or demons.
By 150 AD Christianity had a score of intelligencia, including
the likes of Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement, Origen, Ananasius,
Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa, Chrysostom and others. These church
fathers were heavily influenced by Greek dream practice & Plato,
and saw the dreams as a medium of communication between man and
the divine.
After Constantine's dream to use the Christian Cross symbol on
the shields of his warriors and the 313 Edict of Milan, Christian
persecution all but stopped and the Church began to develop it
own orthodoxy. For awhile the dream remained in favor and a means
of contact with the divine. Delightful theories on dreams were
forwared by Neo-Platonists like Macrobius, imaginalist like
Synesius of Cyrene, Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa and others.
Still, there was growing concern about who had the authority to
determine if a dream were sent by God or not, as evidenced in the
writings of Tertullian where he finally concludes in De Anima
that because they are so difficult to interpret, only saints
should do so.
The Dark Age of Dreams
Jerome was asked in the 4th century to produce a Latin version
of the Greek Bible and in doing so translated the Greek "You
shall not practice augury or witchcraft." into "You shall not
practice augury nor observe dreams." Dreams interpretation became
classed with soothsaying and witchcraft. Since Jerome himself was
led back to the Church from paganism by a dream vision, this act
is more difficult to understand. However, Jerome was continually
shifting back and forth between pagan and Christian thought, and
this job of translation was obviously during a Christian swing.
It may be he wanted to personally set aside any practices that he
knew to be pagan influenced.
Whatever the reason, the Vulgate translation would eventually
lead to the people (usually women) being accused of witchcraft
for dream sharing.
If this weren't enough, Rome fell to the barbarian kings and the
general education of the leaders dipped for a millennium, or more
accurately, shifted to the East. There were exceptions, such as
the dream recording monk John Cassian of Marsailles (5thC),
Gregory the Great (6thC), Isidore fo Seville and the demonic
dream Sententiae (6thC) , and Bede the Venerable (7th C), but
they all pretty much felt that dream interpretation was not for
the common man and only for the most learned and saintly. The
Greek test of the gate of false ivory or the true gate of horn
became too great a tension for the Church to bear. Individual
vision and the use of imagination could no longer be tolerated by
the fragile papal authority. The world was ugly and getting
uglier, and the split between evil natural and godly achieved
further severed dreams from the orthodox church. Except for the
esoteric alchemists, Christianity would not practice dream
sharing again until the end of the 20th century.
The Dreams of the Prophet
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Meanwhile, in the deserts of the East in the cave of Hira near
Mecca, a man had a dream. In Mohammed's dream the an angel told
him to read, to which he replied he could not. He awoke and went
outside to another vision where Gabriel told him of his selection
as Allah's messenger. Why then did Mohammed ban the
interpretation of dreams? The most common thought on this is that
dream interpretation was a fairly well know occupation at the
time and some people at first thought Mohammed was a dream
interpreter. To separate himself from this, he forbade his
followers to interpret dreams. Though he did ask them to tell him
any dreams they had.
After the time of the Prophet, Major revelations were still
banned, but dreams of the prophet were considered valid and out
of study of the Prophet's dreams themselves grew a whole host of
literature and writing. As Jean Lecerf suggests, it was just one
professional group of vision interpreters that were banned.
Generally, the old Bedouin traditions were replaced with the new
Islamic theology. Many of the Greek texts that were lost by the
Christians were saved and translated into Arabic, such as the
philosophies of Aristotle and the dream works of Artimedoris.
This great flowering of dream studies took on a "scientific"
flavor, with immense classification systems being developed.
Interpretation could depend on such particular factors, for
example, as which member of the Royal family you were.
Just as the Hebrew faith gave birth to the mystic Kaballa, so too
did Islam give birth to mystic Sufism. Sufism sought direct
experience of God in a mystic love relationship and provided an
alternative to the legalistic orthodoxy. It is said that life is
one long journey towards the Beloved. Even Heaven and Hell are
set aside as inconsequential relative to being in relationship
with the Lover. Each country developed its own visions and
variations, from Egypt to Turkey to India to Spain. Though
Westerners rarely hear anything more about Sufism than the
Persian Whirling Darvishes, Sufism produced a fabulously large
and rich body of literature, poetry, cannons, rituals, ecstatic
practices and organizations. An elaborate hierognosis, a
hierarchy of visions, unfolds the levels of visions in dreams and
waking states. (See Henry Corbin)
The significance for us who are studying the history of dreams
and religion is this: For the Sufi to find the Beloved, to
Return Home, there must be a guide, a messenger, a teacher of
truth, a companion and spiritual friend who points the way.
Mohammed closed legislative prophecy & dream vision, but
individual revelation continues and the divine bestows upon his
faithful initiation in to the friends of God. Thus sufi dreams
tend towards initiation dreams and gateways to the fabulous
Mundus Imaginalis, the imaginal world inhabited by spiritual
beings as well as other autonomous forms, genii, deamons and
images.
This world of images, the alam al-mithal, would develop into
another fabulously rich outpouring in late medieval Islam. (see
Fazlur Rahman). But one had to be careful to distinguish the
Imaginal World from the mere imaginary fantasy. Mere fantasy
takes one away from the concrete world, whereas interaction with
the imaginal world transforms the concrete world and gives it
understanding and meaning. In spiritual dreamwork, we might ask,
when are we merely explaining away a dream, and when are we
allowing the visionary power of the dream to take form in the
concrete world?
As mentioned, though Sufism is widespread and continuing to grow,
there are few in the West who seem to know very much. One current
writer who has been heavily influenced by Jung has written of
some guideposts along the way. Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee speaks of
the "Psychology of the Beloved" :
>The Fools of God: Those who follow the beloved learn to still
the yackityak mind and tune into the wisdom of the Self, which
can be rather crazy. Note in dreams where normal things aren't
working, books hard to read, cars brakes not stopping, telephones
not dialing or connecting.
These are places we are called to hear a different drummer. >The
Longing of the Heart: When we are called by the divine, we are
given a little sip of poison and then nothing but the Beloved can
content us. In our dreams we can see this in the sufferings, the
poisonings, the hiding and running away, the wishing and desire
to be somewhere other than we are. But since this process is
larger and beyond the ego, its not so much what we do to correct
it, but what we can allow to happen inwardly. What we learn is
how to cooperate with the process. Part of the Sufi path is
learning to wait for the Beloved.
>The Transformation of the Shadow: Darkness and Redemption often
reside in the same image.
What was once our enemy can become our new source of energy and
power. When in dreams we are chased and pursued, our relation to
our shadow is one of flight. Other times we go too far the other
direction and continually fight with the adversary. Confronting
these pursuers without fighting or backing off, finding out what
they are doing, what they want and why, begins to open the door
to transformation. These shadows may come in dreams in the form
of animal, family and a wide range of other unknown characters.
Usually we see them in life as "morally inferior" and would
rather die than find out someone thinks *we* are like that. The
key to their transformation is learning to stick with them until
the situation is changed by the intercession of the Divine.
> The Seductive Guide: More powerful than what we fear, is what
we desire. The inner Seductive Guide both draws out of us
enormous energy and yet can at the same time crashes that energy
on cold stones. Two confusions take place, the person sees the
beloved in another person or sees the beloved in an imaginal
state and longs for them literally, which brings ruin. The key
here is to recognize that the Seductive Other is our guide to the
Divine, not the Divine Itself.
>The Call and the Echo: Because of the difficulty of the journey,
Sufism has provided a mediating relationship, the teacher. The
teacher, having been where we are headed, can not only guide us,
but encourage us that there really is something on the other
side. Eventually the heart of the teacher and student become one.
Vaughan-Lee notes that a real live teacher is important, but
eventually they must point the way back in to the inner teacher,
and this is often revealed in dreams in both true and false
teachers, dreams of tests and trials, as well as old wise men and
women.
> The Poverty of the heart. Beyond the the mind is the heart.
Eventually even the desire for spiritual progress is a
limitation. When the seeker accepts there is nowhere to go,
nothing to do, then there is freedom. Dreams of travelling and
roads speak to this, but dreams of being happy in the moment more
closely touch this, as well as images of the divine or inner
child. Here the world revolves around us, not in the sense that
everyone wants our attention, but in that a complete freedom
exists between the two and the Infinite unfolds in all
directions.
Late Christian Dream Mysticism in Alchemy
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"Imagination is the Star in Man." Paracelsus
When Thomas Aquinas put Aristotle and the Bible together in his
Summa Theologica, there was a problem with dreams since Aristotle
though they were nothing and the Bible thought differently. His
resolution was like the Medieval Church itself, avoid the issue
and downplay any form of knowledge or inner experience that might
speak to an irrational connection with the divine. Though
Aquinas finally had a person vision which changed his own mind,
his works went on to deeply influence Western Civilization.
However, Christianity had its own mystical side, which was
evidenced in Alchemy. Alchemy is usually seen by moderns as an
early dead end attempt on the part of pre-scientific types to
make gold chemically. But those who did do this were seen as
charlatans and "puffers" by the real alchemists. The idea was
that Lead, left on its own, would eventually become Gold, just as
sinners eventually would come back to God and obtain immortality.
Alchemy was an attempt to quicken the process, and the boundaries
of physical matter and spiritual essence overlapped. Imagination
(the trained imagination) and dreams played significant roles in
all aspects of the alchemical process.
The general goal of the Alchemist was to produce the
Philosopher's Stone, an item/thing/no- thing/concept/red tincture
that could transform mortal into immortal, lead into gold, base
substances into finer materials. The general process was to
locate the matter to be transformed, the prima materia. This
material had a real physical side, and a spiritual side in the
adept performing the work. The Alchemist would first know they
were on track when the project failed.
Having followed the secret messages of previous alchemists, the
matter would go into what was called the Nigrado, or Blackening.
All that they worked for fell away and a corresponding depression
would ensue. Only for those that stayed with the process would
experience the first evidence of a major transformation, the
Albedo, or whitening. Some small spark in the darkness would
appear and if the Alchemist could stay with this spark, there
would eventually be the final transformation into material
reality, the rubedo, or reddening. The Alchemists spent
centuries elaborating and expanding the visual, literary and
practices of the alchemy. Though I'm unaware of a set of
specific doctrines on dreams that came out this, dream did figure
into each of the stages of transformation and the rich
exploration of symbolic realities. The use of alchemical
symbolism would be revived by Jung in the 20th Century as a way
of studying and transforming the religious impulse in humankind
within the context of analytic
psychology.
Dream and Religion in the Late 20th Century
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The practice of dream sharing began returning to the religious
communities through their slow but continuing acceptance of
various psychological practices. With this revival came the shift
from dreams as prophecy to dreams as revealing the inner life of
the individual. The general idea was that God speaks to us in
dreams, but in much the same way as other parts of our lives.
However, even this stance is sometime hard won in a congregation.
The Baptist Minster Herman Riffel, who began feeling that special
spiritual knowledge could be had from dream sharing, was
eventually asked to leave his parish. Because psychoanalytic work
was introduced to America via Freud, it has often been seen by
religious groups as atheistic or medicinal rather than spiritual.
Had Jung been more popular, things may have been quite different.
Morton Kelsey, for example, has inspired whole generations of
Christians to talk another look at dreams, and this was due in
part to his deeply held Jungian views. John Sanford, a Episcopal
minister, has had a similar influence on millions of people with
his Jungian-Christian approach. As far as I can tell, the
Jungian literature and approaches are the most well developed
spiritual approaches to dreams, and have influenced the
re-visioning of Sufi and Hebrew dream traditions as well as
Christian.
The Dream Work of the Spiritual Community
Some of the other areas that dream sharing is and will be
re-entering the spiritual community are discussed by Kelly
Bulkeley in his 1996 _Spiritual Dreaming: A Cross-cultural and
Historical Journey_. Dreams often intensify around the death of
family members. Dreams about dead family members may allow not
only a psychological or emotional processing to occur, but also
help the individual find his or her own alignment with mortality
and immortality. Animals in dreams, when regarded from a
spiritual point of view, can reveal the "ambivalent nature of the
sacred, its capacity to be a force of joyful creativity and
violent destructiveness in human life." (pg 19). Suffering, pain,
illness, misfortune and death define a large category of areas
where religion struggles to help find meaning and value. Use of
dreams relating specifically to the suffering and to suffering in
general can open up channels of communication & experience that
allows us access to the deep spiritual realms where meaning is
found in a close encounter with the sacred.
Other areas are simply waiting for development, including the
use of dreams in moral development, the exploration of the nature
of the divine and the relationship to humans, the idea of
sexuality in dream as a draw toward the sacred, flying in dreams
as a path for the development of our sense of wonder, lucidity
and our development of general liberation and becoming
conscious.
Jeremy Taylor in _Where People Fly and Water Runs Uphill: Using
Dreams to tap the Wisdom of the Unconscious_ explores the use of
spiritual dreaming in a social context and unfolds ways that a
whole community or congregation may use dream sharing for
spiritual development. With the introduction of the Internet into
society, these congregations may form very rapidly and a
collective wisdom may be shared across long distances.
The continual mixing of spirituality with sociology, with
psychology and psychotherapy seems to be releasing a whole new
set of co-mingled values where dreams can again become a vehicle
for the divine. Whether you see spirituality in some grand sense
of alignment with the Infinite, or simply in terms of meaning and
value, spiritual dream exploration now offers a heavenly feast.
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An Excerpt from the Lucid Dream Exchange
Lucy Gillis
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In keeping with Electric Dreams' current topic of Dreams and
Spirituality, I'd like to present a spiritual lucid dream, from
the quarterly newsletter, The Lucid Dream Exchange. (A lucid
dream is one in which the dreamer knows that he or she is
dreaming while still in the dream.) Note in the account below
that the dreamer indicates when he realizes he is dreaming and
what alerted him to this fact.
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"Bowling Alley God"
I am in a place like a bowling alley with five or six lanes.
Maybe five or six people are there. Some of them are my old
friends - ones that I used to talk to about spiritual matters.
We're having a conversation about religious topics, but we're
also playing a game simultaneously. The game is an odd one - in
it, you roll a ball down the lane and try to split an apple at
the far end. I think it is easy and tell everyone "I'll show you
how it's done." Then I roll the ball and the apple splits in
half.
Suddenly, the varnish on the wood lanes seems to shimmer and the
whole thing strikes me as odd - I realize that I'm dreaming! As
I look around lucidly, I am standing next to a young, petite
blonde-haired woman. She is looking at me and so I ask her,
"What is God?" I ask her again with a demanding tone, "What is
God?!" Then she looks directly at me with extraordinarily clear,
compassionate eyes and a hint of a smile, and shows me an apple
split in half. As I look at the apple and this woman, I begin
to feel an incredible force like pure love and caring coming from
her heart to mine - it is tangible, I can feel it coming to me,
enveloping me! I think 'this is (an experience of) God." The
energy is too much and I wake up with my heart pounding.
Note: In the morning, I took an apple and split it in half and
began to look at it. When I did this, it was like a symbolic
revelation. I could see the apple seeds, symbol of future life
and growth, and around them is the faint outline of a butterfly
in the transition from the core of the apple to the apple, a
symbol of metamorphosis, and finally there is the fruit of the
apple, a symbol of our sustenance in the present. I was amazed
to see this - I have never noticed it before.
There are obviously symbolic associations with the apple being
symbolic of the 'Tree of Knowledge' in the Garden of Eden, etc.
The most interesting thing though was the transfer of 'feeling
energy' - that was profound.
Robert Waggoner, April 1986
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The Lucid Dream Exchange (LDE) is a quarterly issue of lucid
dreams contributed by lucid dreamers. Over the years, Ruth
Sacksteder, creator of the LDE, has compiled 12 issues of lucid
dreams; creating a forum for interested individuals to share
their experiences and learn from those of others. It is in no
small part due to her efforts that my lucid dream life has
developed and grown.
Reading about the lucid experiences, techniques, and adventures
of other lucid dreamers served to inspire, challenge, and enrich
my own lucid dreaming abilities. I am still in awe of the
incredible potential lucid dreaming (and lucid dreamers!) has to
offer. Like Robert's dream above, some lucid dreams may be
spiritual, touching the dreamer in profound ways. Others may be
playful, or used for problem solving, rehearsal, or whatever.
The possibilities are indeed endless.
Now that Ruth's schedule has become increasingly busy and she
has become involved with other projects, I am pleased to be able
to continue The Lucid Dream Exchange, (with the valuable help of
Robert Waggoner), and I invite you to join us!
-Lucy Gillis
For more information about The Lucid Dream Exchange contact Lucy
Gillis
at lucy@turbotek.net
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Electric Dreams Interviews
Richard Wilkerson
about his new CD-Rom,
_A Brief History of Dream Sharing_.
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Richard Wilkerson is an Bay Area dream educator and a pioneer &
leader of the now extensive online Dream Movement. His online
work includes bringing the Association for the Study of Dreams
online, developing the Electric Dreams community and the online
magazine of the same name, and running dream education classes on
the Net in conjunction with online dream groups via DreamGate.com
and other educational institutions, for which he has become
internationally recognized. Richard has written hundreds of
articles on dreams and regularly writes for Electric Dreams, the
ASD Dream Time, Self Help and Psychology and other forums. He
contributed the chapter "Dreaming In Cyberspace" to the Mark
Waldman and Stanley Krippner Anthology _Dreamscaping_. His most
recent project is a CD that brings together his years of
experience with dreamwork and computer mediated communications.
The 1999 CD, _A Brief History of Dream Sharing: Theory,
Techniques and Cyberspace_ is available through DreamGate.com at
http://www.dreamgate.com/books
Lars Spivock for Electric Dreams [LS]: Hello Richard, good to see
you again. Having worked with you on the CD I'll be asking
questions mainly for the benefit of our readers.
Richard Catlett Wilkerson [RCW]: That's fine Lars, go ahead.
[LS]: Richard, before I ask you about the content of your CD I
want to clarify what kind of multimedia it is. [Teasingly] That
is, just what *is* your CD, a book, a computer program or a web
site on CD?
[RCW]: I would say all three. I wanted to provide a lot of
information as well as a lot of illustrations and I wanted these
to all be easily useable any linked together. The problem with
books these days is that if you want to use any of the
information, you have to copy it or retype it. Putting the
information online is fine if the illustrations are kept to a
minimum, but very taxing for larger pictures. With a CD approach,
the information can easily be copied and pasted into any format,
and appears very rapidly on the screen.
[LS]: How does someone start up the CD on their computer?
[RCW]: As simple as opening any program. The CD will
automatically open your browser on most computers and away you
go! The options immediately appear.
[LS]: What are the main areas covered by the CD?
[RCW]: The core of the CD is course on dreamwork. I've also
included an enormous bibliography of thousands of dream books and
article titles, as well as special essay collections, including
several years of the Cyberphile column, an Internet and Dreams
column for the Association for the Study of Dreams, a collection
of Postmodern Dreaming Essays, resources on dreams and dreaming
and a History of Dream Sharing in Cyberspace collection.
[LS]: [Overwhelmed] There are so many different sections to your
CD, let me ask you about them individually! What is this core
course?
[RCW]: The course is a 12 module section on dreamwork from a
historical perspective. This course has been developing over the
years online from the "History of Dream Sharing" Course, which
got rave reviews from some dream titans such as Robert Van de
Castle, author of Our Dreaming Mind, Rita Dwyer one of ASD most
active presidents, and Roberta Ossana, who has been the editor of
the DreamNetwork for many years.
[LS]: What makes this course unique?
[RCW]: Besides the historical overview, I look at each approach
and give the dreamer a way to use that perspective for personal
growth and insight. So with Freud, we look at how free
association and the dream-work can be used outside of a clinical
setting to explore our hidden desires. With Gestalt, I explore
how dream drama can be an effective way of developing inner
potentials hidden in sub-personalities. That is, with every
perspective there are useful exercises which bring the theory to
life and empower the dreamer to use these insights in everyday
life.
[LS]: I noticed that there are topics you offer that are not
often included in dreamwork courses, such as dream science and
dream anthropology -- and also a guide to lucid dreaming by yours
truly!
[RCW]: Right, I feel that every field of study has something to
offer dreams and the dreamer. Dream science offers new approaches
to dream recall as well as challenging theoretical assumptions.
Dream anthropology give us whole new vistas of dreamwork and
dream worlds that have generally been cut off in our culture.
Now the Internet is offering dreamwork a whole new field to play
with.
[LS]: You mentioned that Cyberspace was also a resource on the CD
and there are other essays included?
[RCW]: [Thoughtfully] My focus for the last 5 years has been
dreamwork in Cyberspace, though I prefer to call it "dream
sharing" to get rid of the Protestant Work Ethic, move the dream
from the couch to culture, and emphasis the social aspects of
dreaming. Linda Magallon and the Fly- by-Night club have helped
me a great deal to voice this change in attitude. My major
vehicle for this exploration has been the Electric Dreams
community, though lately other groups have been showing a growing
interest in dream sharing and cyberspace outside of clinical
practice. In 1997 I also began managing the Web site for The
Association for the Study of Dreams, and had been developing the
Cyberphile Column for their magazine since 1995. I took the
resources I have been gathering, as well as many of the ongoing
articles related to this topic and included them with a very
large set of annotated dream links.
[LS]: How do the dream links work on the CD?
[RCW]: The links to other dream sites that are on the CD will
work as long as the reader is online or connected with their
internet service provider [ISP], such as AOL or Microsoft Network
[MSN] or a local ISP.
[LS]: What can people get from these Cyber-dream articles and
resources besides your many years of experience?
[RCW]: These articles really provide the tools to understand and
explore the world of dreaming online. For those just curious
about what is going on, I feel that the fabulous stories of the
dream Web sites and Net Dreamwork projects make for great
reading. For those who want to go online and share dreams, I
explain where and how this is done. Some people like to share
dreams in via e-mail, and for them I talk about the Electric
Dreams DreamWheels and John Herbert's SeniorNet projects. For
those who like real-time-chat or IRC, I guide them on how to get
connected and where the resources are. Others are ready to begin
developing their own Web sites as an expression of their dreams,
and I give many suggestions for this and a tour of the many forms
that this has occurred, such as dream journals, dream art
galleries, dream book sites and lucid dream clubs and
organizations. And of course, I always encourage people to join
Electric Dreams.
[LS]: And people can actually join an online dream course via the
CD?
[RCW]: Yes, I recommend that people start out with the Electric
Dreams DreamWheels. This gives them a grounding in the popular
"If this were my dream..." approach as well as giving as kind of
cultural ethic of caring about the dream and the dreamer that
goes along with it. From the DreamWheels, there are many other
dream groups available.
[LS]: The bibliography you have provided on the CD is like no
other I have seen. It's really huge! Do you have every dream book
and article on this Bibliography?
[RCW]: [Laughs], No, hardly. What I have done is collected
together articles and books on dreams that I feel would
compliment dreamwork theory and practice. Since my approach is
that just about anything can support dreamwork if seen from the
right perspective, the list *is* quite long.
[LS]: What I find really nice about the bibliography is that I
can quickly copy and paste whole titles of articles that I'm
quoting, and this saves me tons of time when I am writing. I
notices as well that the dream and anthropology section is
fantastic!
[RCW]: Right. Also, the Bibliography is searchable, either by
bringing it up in a word processor, or by using a Web Browser and
selecting FILE/FIND.
[LS]: How does that work with the AOL browser?
[RCW]: Its a little different. Just select the EDIT drop down
menu and select "Find in Top Window"
[LS]: As I recall the bibliography is available on the CD in
three useful formats -- plain text, Microsoft Word, and as a web
page. That should make it easy for anyone.
[RCW]: Right, Lars.
[LS]: Why do you have so much information on this CD? Wouldn't
just presenting one simple technique be more effective in
learning dreamwork?
[RCW]: It's true that mastering one technique will give a depth
to one's dreamwork that may be missed with a spectral approach. I
spent hundreds of hours with Jungians and wouldn't trade that
experience for the world, but I eventually felt left out of the
rest of the dreamwork world. There was always a particular course
of study of dreams I wanted and couldn't find. That was an
overview of the whole game. While several good books have come
out in the past few years, there was really nothing online for
cyber-dreamers. I developed this CD and course to satisfy that
need and blur the boundaries between book and practice. To have
a full spectrum of dream education and ground cyber-dream sharing
in the developing grassroots dreamwork movement online provides
people with the fullest range of self expression and discovery
reasonably possible at this time with multimedia. And since the
course connects with active groups online, dreamers get the added
advantage of exploring dreamwork on the Internet as well.
[LS]: Isn't there some controversy about doing dreamwork online?
[RCW]: Originally there was. When I proposed a cyber-dreamwork
exhibition at the 1996 ASD Berkeley Conference, the Board of
Directors were very concerned. To address this, I asked Dr.
Sarah Richards to set up a discussion panel and invited
dreamworkers who were well known and had been experimenting with
online dreamwork, including Jeremy Taylor, Jayne Gackenbach, John
Herbert and myself. The unanimous feeling was that dreamwork was
not only safe online, but in many cases preferable to
face-to-face dreamwork.
[LS]: I remember. That was right after Jeremy Taylor reluctantly
agreed to facilitate dreamsharing for AOL -- and within 30 days
was completely convinced of its value. Has there been much
discussion since then?
[RCW]: This year, at the 1999 ASD conference at UCSC Santa
Cruz, Peggy Coats brought these people back and the enthusiasm
for online dreamwork has only grown.
[LS]: Why do you feel this is so?
[RCW]: There are several reasons we have identified. The first is
anonymity. People feel free to express and share personal
material when there is less fear of these group members gossiping
around town.
In face-to-face dreamgroups, emotion is the dominate factor.
Feelings are important online as well, but they are tempered by
time, distance and insightful interventions.
[LS]: Do people try to substitute dreamwork for psychotherapy?
[RCW]: No, and this is a key point. Grassroots dreamwork really
tries to move from couch to culture. That is, there is a growing
push to see dreamwork as something that may be used by
psychotherapy, but has much broader and wider goals. Healing and
Wholeness are still part of dreamwork, but not all dreamwork is
about healing and wholeness.
[LS]: This comes out very clearly in the CD. I noticed that
while you are comfortable talking about various kinds of
dreamwork in psychotherapies, the emphasis is always on what the
dreamer can gain from these theories outside of psychotherapy.
[RCW]: That's right. I teach people to not be afraid of theory
and to use it to their own advantage and for the development of
their own dreamwork. This is the end-goal of any good therapy as
well, to have people empowered enough to be the final authority
on the interpretation of meaning and value in their own lives.
[LS]: You also talk about dream sharing that is rooted in
spirituality and creativity and other forms of expression outside
of therapeutic dreamwork.
[RCW]: There are so many new wonderful forms of dreams sharing
that are taking place. Our culture is just at the beginning of
recovering these forms, such as dream inspired art, dream
inspired writing, mutual dreaming, lucid dreaming, dream psi and
various forms of shamanic dreaming. To try and lock dreamwork
into therapy would be a step backwards. I do feel we are deeply
indebted to Freud, Jung and many other psychotherapists for
returning value and meaning to dreamwork. And dreamwork will
continue to be a major tool of therapies aimed as wholeness where
imagination is part of the process. However, theraputic dreamwork
now takes its lead from grassroots dreamwork, not the other way
around.
[LS]: What do you feel is the most important value that dreamers
will get from your CD?
[RCW]: Creative experimentation as the best way to relate to
dreams and the world at large. I develop the notion of the
"Improverse" or the improvisational universe, as a platform from
which to develop one's dreamwork. The model comes from playing
music. In improvisational music, the musician has to learn to
listen and respond in a unique but relevant and related way
rather than playing pre-described patterns. Its important to know
and use the pre-described patterns, but as the event-song
develops, it takes on a temporary structure & life of its own.
The individual musician can add to this newly synthesized
event-song, but it quickly begins to transcend his/her individual
contribution while relying upon it at the same time. Dream
sharing is much the same. We can learn the chords or structures
passed to us from our teachers and in this way participate
relevantly in a sphere of cultural reality. Then as we begin to
use these dream work techniques, a door opens to a whole new
realm unfolds. The old techniques can quickly become repressive
if used at the wrong time. The event-dream now has a life and
flow of its own. We are free to contribute or distract from this
event-dream.
[LS]: I see, and so that's why you offer such a variety of dream
work techniques, they are the chords of dream sharing?
[RCW]: Right. With lucid dreaming, the chords we initially learn
have to do with awareness of one's life space (Am I dreaming?).
Later, we learn more sophisticated chords (can I spin and thereby
maintain my lucidity?) but the dream-event takes on a life of its
own. In one lucid dream I may best participate by running with a
pack of wilderbeasts, while in another I may feel called to enter
into a mirror.
When interpreting dreams for life-enhancement, I learn the
game of functional association, and how this dream-car is my
psychological vehicle or that burglar is really me, stealing from
my own life. But once we actually start using these techniques,
there emerges a special event-dream which may call for something
quite different than having the dream used to explore one's own
psyche or how to be a better person.
[LS]: And so there is more than one dream-event for every dream?
[RCW]: Yes, and this really becomes clear once people start
sharing their dreams with others. In the old model, there was one
dream, one dream journal, one therapist, one interpretation.
With the advent of the Dream Movement, people began sharing the
same dream in a variety of situations, at the office
water-cooler, at a local dream support group, with a friend over
the telephone and at breakfast with the family. Now, with the
advent of the Internet, one can post and send dreams in a variety
of new venues. In fact, the Net has become a kind of dream
journal, and many people send their dreams into the Net each
morning to be distributed throughout cyberspace.
[LS]: Then does the dream become something different in each
venue and with each sharing?
[RCW]: Kind of. Like a song that improvisational musicians play
over and over, the dream maintains some kind of internal
consistency while at the same time participating in a unique
dream-event.
[LS]: With so much information online, why would someone buy your
CD?
[RCW]: There is just so much going on in Cyberspace, that a
collected guide is essential. Imagine a library that gets
sixty-thousand books - and hour. Now imagine that this library
has no staff! Or better, that this library has millions of
volunteers, each with his or her own agenda about how this
material is to be organized. What is needed is a bridge between
the classic book and the new Net-text. This CD provides that
bridge, a kind of hired guide to the Cyber-Jungle.
[LS]: As always its been a pleasure hearing your thoughts on
Dreamsharing.
[RCW]: Thanks Lars, I'm looking forward to working with you
during the coming millennium.
Lars Spivock is an international technology consultant and an
original member of the DreamGate team.
http://www.dreamgate.com/lars
He has been a lucid dreamer since early childhood. He freelances
for The Wisdom Channel, Electric Dreams, and America Online's
Alternative Medicine Forum. Lars has contributed to outreach and
education projects for the Intuition Network, Institute of Noetic
Sciences, Association for the Study of Dreams, Bay Area
Dreamworkers, and the Dream Library and Archive.
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Dream Reentry and On-line Chat
An Experience of Synchronicity and Resolving Loss in a Chat Room
Setting
Fred Olsen, M.Div.
Copyright 1999
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In the fall of 1994, I purchased my first 14.4 kbs modem for my
Atari ST computer. I signed up on the Well.com server in Northern
California and forayed -- with some nervousness and anticipation
-- into my first on-line chat session on the internet. It was a
sunny Saturday mid morning in San Francisco. After a few false
starts, I found myself in a live chat room. There, like magic, I
witnessed live dialogue scrolling down my computer screen. What
was even more amazing to me as a dreamworker was the first lines
of text I saw displayed before me that day.
(Note: screen names are changed for the obvious reasons.)
Duggan: How are you feeling today?
Bravo: I am really bummed out this morning.
Duggan: Why is that?
Bravo: I had a nightmare last night that is really bothering me.
Bingo. Here in my first chat room sesion, I find myself in
the opening lines of a spontaneous dream sharing. I had that
familiar, but nevertheless, amazed response when a synchronicity
happens in life. I felt both playful and honored at the magical
timing of this moment and typed my first line of live on-line
chat in response.
Dreamtrack: THAT'S GREAT !!!
Bravo: Why is that great?
Dreamtrack: Dreams are such gifts to help us to understand
ourselves and to resolve our inner issues.
Bravo: It didn't feel great to me.
Dreamtrack: I know and that's okay. It's just that I am so
involved with the power and value of dreams, I couldn't help but
respond.
Duggan: Are you a psychologist or something?
Dreamtrack: I am a dream worker and have a dream center in San
Francisco.
Duggan: Really?
Dreamtrack: Yup This is my first time in a chat room and I
appeared right when you mentioned your nightmare. I couldn't
resist responding. I hope that's okay. I was the intruder.
Duggan: Ohhh.
Dreamtrack: I was simply amazed at the coincidence.
Dreamtrack: Are you still there Bravo?
Bravo: Yes, I am here.
Dreamtrack: Would you like to tell us the dream?
Bravo: Sure, it made no sense to me. It left me feeling really
depressed.
Dreamtrack: Do you feel okay sharing the dream content with us?
Bravo: Sure. In the dream, I was at my father's grave. The
grass was dry and brown. It was very barren. In real life the
grave is very lush.
Dreamtrack: Did your father die?
Bravo: Yes, he died a couple of years ago. There was a very
spooky feeling in the dream, like there was a presence.
Dreamtrack: Can you feel yourself in the dream now?
Bravo: Yes, it is very clear, like I am right there now.
Dreamtrack: In the dream, how old are you?
Bravo: The same age I was when my father died.
Dreamtrack: Okay. And what are you wearing there?
Bravo: The same clothes I had on then, just casual clothes,
nothing special.
Dreamtrack: And what are you feeling in the dream?
Bravo: I'm feeling a heavy weight of guilt and shame.
Dreamtrack: Where does that heavy weight live in your body?
Bravo: I feel it in my heart and in my stomach.
Dreamtrack: Good. Go to that place in your body where the heavy
weight lives and tell me what you see.
Bravo: I see my father in his bedroom like he was when we found
him.
Dreamtrack: And where are you in the picture?
Bravo: Standing in the doorway to his room.
Dreamtrack: What do you see in the picture?
Bravo: What was happening then was that my father had been
disabled and bed-ridden for a long time. We all had to support
him. We were pretty poor.. He got all of the attention and I was
angry with him before he died for not being a real father to me
and getting all the attention.
Dreamtrack: I see.
Bravo: Off and on people would bring Dad money in small amounts
and give it to him. Just before he died, he called for me. I
didn't respond. I was too upset with him at the time. When we
discovered his body the bed was covered with the money. He had
wanted to give it to me as a gift.
Dreamtrack: Wow. And he wasn't able to give it to you because
you didn't respond when he called.
Bravo: That's right. I felt so terrible.
Dreamtrack: What did you do then?
Bravo: We spent the money on his funeral. I have felt so bad
ever since that day. I go to his gravesite often.
Dreamtrack: And last night you were there at the gravesite in
the dream and it was dry and barren, right?
Bravo: Yes. I feel so bad about what I did to Dad.
Dreamtrack: When you go back to the dream right now, what is the
feeling?
Bravo: There is a wind. a presence there. It is spooky.
Dreamtrack: You are there right now. What are you feeling?
Bravo: I feel the wind, it seems to want to communicate with me.
Dreamtrack: What happens when you listen?
Bravo: I see my father.
Dreamtrack: What is the picture?
Bravo: He is there in front of me. I see only his face. He
wants to tell me something. I am afraid..
Dreamtrack: What is your response?
Bravo: I feel so ashamed. I can't look at him.
Dreamtrack: What does he want to tell you?
Beachbum: Hey room, what's happening?
Duggan: Shhhh, this is really interesting.
Beachbum: Hey, I was at the beach yesterday and met these really
hot girls.
Duggan: Quiet, this is really important what is going on here.
Beachbum: I'm staying. Who wants to talk about the girls?
Instant Message: Dreamtreck to Bravo: Want to continue this in
a private room?
Bravo: Would you? This feels really important.
Dreamtrack: Of course. Meet me in room Dreamtrack.
I set up a private room and Bravo shows up.
Instant message from Duggan to Dreamtrack: Man, that was
awesome. I understand that you can't stay in the room, but I
sure hate missing where this is going.
Instant message to Duggan fromDreamtrack: Thank you. You know
Bravo, right?
IM Duggan: Yes, we're friends.
IM Dreamtrack: He can share what he wants with you later. Take
care.
IM Duggan: Thanks.
Bravo: Are you still here?
Dreamtrack: Yes. Duggan was feeling left out. Do you want him
to join us?
Bravo: No, he'll be all right and I'll fill him in later. Right
now, this feels too important.
Dreamtrack: I agree.
Bravo: Where were we?
Dreamtrack: At the grave site. Your Dad appeared to you and
wanted to tell you something.
Bravo: Oh yeah. Wow! Do you think that was real? Or was it
just a dream?
Dreamtrack: How did it feel to you?
Bravo: It felt and feels as real as life, maybe more real.
Dreamtrack: I think so too. Can you see him now?
Bravo: Yes. I see him in bed as he was before he died.
Dreamtrack: Good. What do you want to do now, in the picture?
Bravo: Take him to all the special places he loved. We lived on
the big island in Hawaii, that's where I live now. He loved the
island.
Dreamtrack: Good. You are there. What do you need in order to
do that?
Bravo: His wheelchair and the family car.
Dreamtrack: Good. What happens now in the picture?
Bravo: I am driving him around the island.
Dreamtrack: You feel that?
Bravo: Yes. It feels really good. He seems so happy. We never
did this together in real life.
Dreamtrack: What are you feeling as you do this with your
father?
Bravo: I feel so much better, to see him happy.
Dreamtrack: What' happening now?
Bravo: We are back in his room, before he died. He wants to
give me the money. I can't do that. I can't take the money. It
belongs to him.
Dreamtrack: What is his response to you not receiving his gift?
Bravo: His is very sad. He really wants me to take it. I just
can't do that.
Dreamtrack: Where do you feel blocked about receiving his gift?
Bravo: I feel it in my head.
Dreamtrack: Okay, go to that place in your head where you feel
that block.
Bravo: Okay.
Dreamtrack: What do you see?
Bravo: I see a block of steel. It is like a cage. I am inside
it.
Dreamtrack: How old are you there?
Bravo: Young. I feel trapped.
Dreamtrack: What do you need there?
Bravo: I need my father's love.
Dreamtrack: Okay, What do you want to do in the cage to get your
father's love?
Bravo: I don't know. I guess I have to call for him. He seems
so distant and far away.
Dreamtrack: What happens when you call for your father to love
you?
Bravo: He comes and opens the cage.
Dreamtrack: What's happening now, in the picture?
Bravo: We are hugging. It feels so good.
Dreamtrack: Notice that feeling in your body.
Bravo: Okay. It is very warm. We're both crying.
<long pause>
Dreamtrack: Good. Now bring that feeling back to the room with
your father.
Bravo: I feel better, but I still have a hard time taking the
money. I don't feel I deserve it.
Dreamtrack: Do you think he can use the money?
Bravo: LOL I guess not. He is dead. He can't use it where he
is. But it is already spent anyway.
Dreamtrack: You see your father now?
Bravo: Yes. He is smiling. He wants me to take the money.
Boy, this is hard. Okay, Dad. I accept the money.
<long silence>
Dreamtreck: What's happening?
Bravo. I'm crying. It is like we are really hugging and I feel
his love. Thank you.
Dreamtrack: Thank you.
Bravo: Is this what you do for a living?
Dreamtrack: Yes.
Bravo: Then I must owe you a lot of money. This was a long
session.
Dreamtrack: LOL You didn't ask for this work did you.
Bravo: No. But you still did the work. I can't take it for
nothing.
Dreamtrack: Guess what?
Bravo: What?
Dreamtrack: What was the lesson in this session?
Bravo: I'm not sure.
Dreamtrack: It was about you learning to receive a gift.
Consider this time a gift, a part of the lesson. LOL Beside's,
you gave me a gift today.
Bravo: Really! What was that?
Dreamtrack: You gave me the opportunity to do my work in a new
medium. I have never been in a chat room before, let alone to
lead a dream session in one. You let me know that I could do my
work on-line. That is a gift to me. Thanks.
Bravo: Wow. Thank you.
Dreamtrack: My pleasure.
Bravo: Maybe I'll see you again on-line. I feel better than I
have for a very long time.
Dreamtrack: I'm glad. Take care.
Bravo: Bye
Dreamtrack: Bye.
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Since that first on-line chat session in 1984, I have had the
opportunity to share dream-processing on many occasions in the
privacy and anonymous realm of cyberspace. On a few occasions, I
have developed telephone client relationships for a short time,
but mostly, the sessions have been simply a spontaneous gift. In
each case, the dream processing emerged naturally out of a chat
session where a person was feeling troubled, confused, in pain,
or simply curious and adventurous about my approach to inner
dream or soul travel. On-line dream work, as any dream work, can
-- and in my point of view -- should become as natural as any
other avenue for human expression and communication in everyday
life. So often we rehash our problems, conflicts, and concerns
over and over again, without really going to a level where deep
healing and transformation is possible.
Fred Olsen was a co-founder of the Bay Area Dreamworker's Group
in 1985, he then founded and directed the San Francisco Dream
House from 1986 to 1995 and is known for his process of Dream
Reentry Healing which was more recently named Soul Tracking and
Cellular Transformation. He can be reached on-line at
Dreamtreck@aol.com.
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Dreaming the New Millenium
- Dreamscaping - a New Anthology
- Winter Shamanic Dream Circle in California
- Dream Time Live - Chat with Richard Wilkerson
- College of Dreams now online
- Dream Class from Sharon Packard -Different Approaches to Dreams
- Lucidity Institute in Maui for the Millennium
- Tibetan Dream Yoga Meets Western Power Napping: an Experiment
- ASD Call for presentations deadline extended to dec 15, 1999.
- HBO Special on Children's Dreams December 6, 1999 at 730 ET/PT
- Get ASD news any time via e-mail
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- An Invitation to Join the Lucid Dream Exchange
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- A Visit to Dream Flights
DREAM CALENDAR for December 1999 -January 2000
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Dreamscaping: New Techniques for Understanding Yourself and
Others
Check out this new book, an anthology of dream wisdom on the
cutting edge of dreams and dreaming, featuring Oliver Sacks -
Marie-Louise von Franz - Jeremy Taylor - Robert L. Van de Castle
- Gayle Delaney - Richard Wilkerson - Robert Bosnak - Eugene
Gendlin - Kelly Bulkeley - Montague Ullman - Stanley Krippner -
Mark Waldman - Fraser Boa and many, many others!
BACK COVER FOR DREAMSCAPING
"We are such stuff as dreams are made of . . ." Since the time
of Shakespeare, dreams have fascinated women and men, shaping the
lives of professionals and nonprofessionals alike. But in the
last few years, dreams have re-emerged as a potent grassroots
force. Throughout this country and abroad, thousands of
individual groups have formed to creatively experiment with their
dreams: in therapeutic encounters, in cyberspace, in dream
appreciation seminars, and in the literary and visual arts.
Dreamscaping brings together world-renowned authorities on
dreams, providing readers with innovative methods for working
with themselves, their partners, and groups. In this anthology,
you will learn how to better recall your dreams, decipher their
hidden meanings, create imaginative dialogues with dream
characters, construct dream diaries, understand recurring dreams
and nightmares, and apply dream messages to your life. You will
also learn how dreams can be used to process the final moments of
life.
Dreamscaping also explores the most recent developments in
research and theory, showing how dreams can be used to diagnose
brain disorders, explore the stages of death, and even provide
scientific evidence of the reality of telepathy and other psychic
phenomena. From chaos theory to the Internet, from spiritual
awakenings to psychological insight, Dreamscaping reflects a
changing landscape that is beginning to reshape social
consciousness throughout the world.
You can get a copy of Dreamscaping directly from Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0737302682/associaforthest
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WINTER SHAMANIC DREAM CIRCLE
"We dream to awaken to life."
- Strephon Kaplan-Williams
"Dreams are a way to Spirit."
- Ramiro, Achuar shaman
Interested in exploring your dreams as a healing and spiritual
path? Then come join us in a unique, powerful Winter Dreaming
Circle. Meets one Saturday per month and includes:
* a dreamwork workshop, teaching you specific tools;
* shamanic journeying to meet your spirit guides;
* live shamanic drumming;
* a dream sharing circle, in the indigenous tradition; and
* a potluck dinner to build community.
All-Night Dream Circle
In addition, some Dreaming Circles will also feature an All-Night
Dream Circle in which participants will enjoy the benefits of
group dreaming and a shamanic dreaming circle Sunday morning to
start the day, as indigenous peoples do worldwide.
Dates: Oct. 16, Nov. 20, Dec. 11, Jan 15, Feb. 17, Mar. 24
Location: Emeryville, CA
Cost: $30-60 sliding scale per circle. No one turned
away for lack of funds.
Please mark your calendar now. Call to RSVP and hold a spot.
Facilitated by Taylor Kingsley, CTC, dream researcher and author
of the upcoming book, Dreamjourneys. Taylor is a shamanic healer
and teaches meditation at Kaiser Permanente.
(510) 653-7293
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ASD Dream Time Live
December 1, 1999 at 7:00 PM PST
Richard Wilkerson"Dreaming in Cyberspace"
You can participate in this chat by going to
http//www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionschat.htm
For more information, simply send an e-mail to chat@asdreams.org
and you will receive the full scoop on the event and how to sign on.
The Association for the Study of Dreams is offering a series of
monthly
online chats with writers, researchers, dreamworkers and other
guests who
study and work with dreams. This exciting opportunity to speak
directly
with these individuals takes place via the ASD Web Chat Room.
Participants can ask Richard Wilkerson questions in real time.
Additional information about the topic will be made available
before and after the chat time
Be sure to come a few minutes early to sign on to the chat room:
1. How to get there:
Use your favorite browser and type in the URL
http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionschat.htm
Mark you calendar today!
For updates, send an email to chat@asdreams.org
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College of Dreams
http://www.collegeofdreams.com.au
College of Dreams is a school without walls open to all people of
all ages who are interested in dreams and dreamwork. It aims to
share information, encourage questions and to contribute to the
vast dreaming knowledge pool.
What's in a name ?
The sites' name "College of Dreams" was chosen as a way of
reflecting the directors view that dreams themselves are a much
higher place of learning than the traditional day to day
learning establishments and methods that we usually pursue. It
was chosen as a name which embodies its mission to invite people
to learn about dreams and dreamwork.
College of Dreams (COD) primary philosophy is respect for the
inner wisdom and needs of individuals. While the diversity of
dream practices and dream beliefs is recognised and reflected in
its information and services, COD also believes that our night
time and sleeping visions provide
people with unique opportunities for greater understanding and
unity with each other.
Research!
Committment to research and developing and providing a forum for
dreamwork knowledge is also of central importance to COD.
Volunteers are sought to participate in two major research
projects - The Australia Dreaming Project and the " Dreams and
SETI project." With all eyes on Australia for the olympics next
year - The Australia Dreaming Project is exploring the prevelance
of Dreams of Australian Flora and Fauna or Aboriginal artefacts
and symbolism, in non indiginous populations both
within and outside of Australia. In the "Dreams and SETI
project" the impact of dreams of extra terrestrial intelligence
on peoples waking philosophies is being examined.
Controversial?
College of Dreams is somewhat unique in that it provides both a
professional approach and also a more popularist and generalist
approach through providing a dream interpretation service. COD
is interested in accessability, and remains committed to a
diverse and eclectic approach to
dreamwork. For instance even if people want to explore dreams
for simply entertainment purposes than this should be seen as no
less valid than those exploring them for scientific or other
pursuits.
However COD Practitioners have a policy of always making it clear
that any interpretations are as a GUIDE only and limited by the
practitioners own understandings They also endeavour as part of
the interpretation to give tools and techniques to the person so
that they can gain greater awareness and independence. Through
this people asking for what seems a simple
dream interpretation are being gently invited to expand their
awareness and develop their own trust and autonomy to ultimately
explore their own meanings more.
Information
The website provides free information on dreams and health,
symbolism, dreams and creativity, as well as nightmares. In
addition CODS own audio tapes such as Dream to Heal,
Transforming Nightmares & Recurrent Dreams and Understanding
Dream Symbolism are able to be purchased on line. There have been
some teething problems with submitting forms but it is hoped that
secure forms can be provided for this purpose shortly. Also
planned for early next year are dream groups on line.
Professional Support and development
After numerous discussions with her colleagues , the director,
Carolyn, saw a real need to provide counsellors, health workers
or others interested in working with peoples dreams, some basic
training and support specifically in dreamwork. As well as
specific groups and workshops, COD also aims to run a Diploma in
Dreamwork course by the beginning of 2001.
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About the Director
Carolyn Groth is based in Sydney Australia and is a qualified
Social Worker and Clinical Hypnotherapist. In addition she is a
freelance documentary producer and writer. (Producer of "Sacred
Dream " on Encounter for - ABC Radio National as well as the
award winning "The Buddhism of Backpacking" also on ABC Radio
National.) She most recently completed a Diploma of Dreamwork
Analysis through the British School of Yoga and is a Member of
the Association for the Study of Dreams.
http://www.ASDreams.org.
Carolyn can be contacted at
carolyn@collegeofdreams.com.au
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Different Approaches to Dreams - Class
Instructor: Sharon Packer
There are many approaches to dreams, each reflecting the values
of the society from which it emerged. We explore different
approaches, starting in ancient Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, Rome,
India, Africa, Australasia, and continuing through Medieval,
Renaissance, Enlightenment, Romantic, and pre-modern Europe,
before entering 19th- and 20th-century sleep laboratories and
psychoanalytic sessions. We encounter dreams as religious
revelations, sexual secrets, collective unconscious, medical
miracles, creative catalysts, and/or mental manure! We compare
dream interpretations of philosophers, psychoanalysts, and
psychopharmacologists to private dream depictions in art, film,
photography, literature, poetry, ballet, opera, and theater,
using webmuseum links, home-video viewing, and music, as well as
the written word. We discuss contemporary channels for
dreamspace, such as cyberspace, sci-fi, kiddie lit, occultism,
and creativity. We analyze little-known 19th-century data about
drugs, dreams, and delirium tremors, before musing about the
prognosis for psychoanalytic dream interpretation at a point when
psychopharmacology takes center stage. (3 Credits)
http://www.dialnsa.edu/coureg4a_fr1.htm
Sharon Packer
Fall 1999 Course(s):
Different Approaches to Dreams
M.D.Physician and psychiatrist. Bechinat Yerushalmit certificate
in orthodox Jewish education. Editor of the Bulletin of
Psychiatry and Judaism.
http://www.dialnsa.edu/
|Cost $650.00
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*DREAMING & AWAKENING IN PARADISE, MAUI, DEC 30, 1999 - JAN 6, 2000
Retreat with Stephen LaBerge, Alan Wallace, and Friends.
Note date change! Airline tickets are going fast, so if you are considering participating, please let
us know right away so we can include you in a group fare.
http://www.lucidity.com
FOR INFORMATION OR TO REGISTER
CALL: +1 650 321-9969 or 1 800 GO LUCID (1 800 465-8243)
daalf@lucidity.com * http://www.lucidity.com/DAAP99.html
WARNING : If you attend this program, and the Y2K bug causes the collapse of civilization, you
might be stuck in Maui for the duration.
Whether you view this as a dream come true or a nightmare, ineither case, you can expect to
wake up the next morning to the world as usual. Meanwhile, consider it a dream-sign.
TIBETAN DREAM YOGA MEETS WESTERN POWER NAPPING: AN EXPERIMENT
(Due Date: December 1, 1999)
If you are interested in participating, please send an email
to files@lucidity.com with the following subject: "send
LR3060.pdf" and a robot sandman will email you a copy of the
experiment.
The sandman is not too bright, and extremely literal, so
please make sure that the email address is exactly as above and
that the subject contains exactly the words in quotation marks
(exact same case, without the quotes) and nothing else. You will
receive an email with the experiment file attached (LR3060.pdf).
Please print the Adobe Acrobat format file, read, follow
instructions, and return when finished. If you don't already have
it, Acrobat reader is available free from Adobe at the following
URL:
http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html
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Deadline Extended to 12-15-99 For Call For Submissions For The
ASD Millennium
Association for the Study of Dreams
CONFERENCE July 4-8, 2000 in Washington, DC. Dreaming in the New
Millennium.
See the Fireworks and stay with ASD at the Loew's L'Enfant on the
Mall near
the Smithsonian, the Capitol and many museums.
1) View or Download the call for submissions at the following URL
http//www.asdreams.org/asd-17/asd17_call99.htm
or send an e-mail to call@asdreams.org
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Set Your VCR for the HBO Special on Children's Dreams
Premiers on HBO December 6, 1999 at 730 Et/pt.(And Will Be Repeated Several Times)
Goodnight Moon and Other Sleepytime Tales
Alan Siegel served as creative consultant to this entertaining feature which features kids talking about
their dreams as well as a full animation of the children's booksGoodnight Moon, Tar Beach and There is
a Nightmare in the Closet. Celebrity voices singing and narrating include Patti LaBelle, Aaron Neville,
Tony Bennett, Natalie Cole, Lauryn Hill, Billy Crystal and Susan Sarandon. For parents, teachers, those
interested in children dreams or children's literature, set you VCR to record this special. HBO will sell it
in home video format in the spring of 2000. If you miss it, I have received permission to air the film at the
July 2000 ASD conference.
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ASD News via e-mail
The Association for the Study of Dreams has several ways to find
out about ASD dream events. The most popular way is to become a
member and get the Dream Time Magazine and ASD Newsletter. You
can also now send an e-mail any time to news@asdreams.org and get
the latest scoop. For those who prefer to browser, stop by the
What's New? page at
http://www.asdreams.org/idxwhatisnew.htm
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An Invitation to Join THE LUCID DREAM EXCHANGE
Are you interested in lucid dreaming? (A lucid dream is a dream
in which you
know you are dreaming, while you are dreaming.) Would you like
to share your
lucid experiences and read about those of others? If so, then
*The Lucid
Dream Exchange* is for you! We are a group of lucid dreamers who
enjoy
sharing our lucid dreams with others and we welcome your input!
How it works: Readers send their lucid dreams via email to
lucy@turbotek.net
or via snail mail to Robert Waggoner at PO Box 11, Ames, IA
50010. The
dreams are compiled and copies are then sent out to subscribers.
You do not
have to be a lucid dreamer to receive *The Lucid Dream Exchange*
(LDE), and
you do not have to send any dreams if you don't want to. Also,
if you want
to send dreams, but wish to remain anonymous, you may do so, or
use a
pseudonym.
Sometimes there is a theme to each issue, for instance, lucid
flying dreams
may be the current topic, but always a variety of lucid dreams
are welcome.
Remember, it must be a lucid dream (or Out-of-Body Experience)
and you should
indicate at what point you became lucid and what triggered your
lucidity.
Lucid dream related poetry and articles are welcome too, as well
as
suggestions for experiments. The present topic is simply "any of
your
interesting lucid dreams of the past year." (In other words,
whatever lucid
dreams [or Out-of-Body Experiences] you'd like to contribute.)
For now, *The Lucid Dream Exchange* is operating on a donation
basis.
Monetary contributions as well as postage stamps are encouraged
for
assistance with printing and mailing costs.
Submission deadline is November 15, 1999, and the mailing date
for LDE is
December 1, 1999.
Please join us, as we explore the fascinating worlds of lucid
dreams and
expand our awareness of consciousness.
Sweet dreams,
Lucy Gillis (lucy@turbotek.net)
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with
others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread
the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a
public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or
her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes
to the links page to us.
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UPDATE:
Please update your Myths-Dreams-Symbols URL
http://www.mythsdreamssymbols.com
New e-mail for Jerry Gifford is j-gifford@home.com
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A Visit to DREAM FLIGHTS, the Flying Dream Web Site
You can explore the world of flying in your sleep at the new web
site, *Dream
Flights.* Just posted is the first FAQ (frequently asked
questions) on
flying dreams and more facts besides. In progress is a web page
on the
meanings of flying dreams. At *Dream Flights,* you'll already
find examples of mutual and lucid flying dreams and the beginning
of a web page on the astral aspects of dream flight. Want to
know how to fly? Check out the page on the incubation of flying
dreams. The site is filled with dream art and creativity, and
plenty of links to other general, lucid, paranormal and flying
dream sites.
There is no longer a Fly-By-Night Club web site, although most of
the old
FBNC information is now posted at *Dream Flights.* Please note
that this is
a brand new URL:
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
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Dreams and the Paranormal
Dr. Ed Kellogg hosts the new Dreams and Paranormal Phenomena
Forum on the ASD website.
Stop by and read the report on the Dreams and Telepathy contest
from the last conference.
http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy
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The Dream Vortex, maintained by Nicole J. LeBoeuf
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/7728/Vortex/
"This is where we come to dream..." Features a Perl-driven,
interactive page where you can submit your dream or interpret
someone else's. Also includes tips on keeping a journal, methods
of interpretation, suggestions for dreamplay, and a few of the
author's own illustrated dreams. "...Here our dreams interact."
__________________________
Commercial: Dream Catchers by Native Americans
http://www.dreammagic.net/
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November 1999
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December 1, 1999 at 7:00 PM PST
Chat online
Richard Wilkerson"Dreaming in Cyberspace"
December 1, 1999
Due Date for
Tibetan Dream Yoga Meets Western Power Napping: an Experiment
http://www.lucidity.com
December 1, 1999
Mailing deadline for Lucid Dream Exchange. See News Above
Lucy Gillis (lucy@turbotek.net)
December 6, 1999 at 730 ET/PT
HBO Special on Children's Dreams.
December 15, 1999
ASD Call for Presentations for July 4-8, 2000 Conference in
Washington DC
http://www.asdreams.org/asd-17/
or send an email to call@asdreams.org
December 25, 1999
Dreaming the New Millennium
Mutual dreaming vision quest for the new millennium
See the article in December Electric Dreams or contact Lars
Spivok at y2k@dreamgate.com
December 15, 1999
Deadline for Electric Dreams 2000
Send in articles and dreams about dreamwork in the future.
rcwilk@dreamgate.com
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dream-flow.v001.n144 through dream-flow.v001.n178
Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.
This section is edited by the DreamEditor, a software creation
of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling
software Alchera
(homepage: http://mythwell.com)
The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and comments
from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams in cyberspace.
Many mail lists participate, including
dream-flow@lists.best.com
DreamingWorld@onelist.com
dreamsandvisions@onelist.com
dreamz@onelist.com
dreamstream@topical.com
DreamsRus@onelist.com
The Dream Sack http//www.deeplistening.org/ione
If you would like to send in single dreams for the flow, you can
leave them at
http//www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
If you have a mail list or would like to contribute dreams and
comments on a regular basis, you can subscribe to the dream-flow
by sending an E-mail to
TOdream-flow-request@lists.best.com
In the body of the E-mail put only
subscribe your-email
please substitute your real email address with "your-email"
You may get a note back to verify the subscription. Simply hit
the return or reply key, change REJECT to ACCEPT in the subject
field and send the note back.
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001 - Anonymous - Sacred Rock Dream
002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n178
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From: Anonymous
Subject: Sacred Rock Dream
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:08:49 -0700
Sacred Rock Dream - by Jessica This dream was one of the most powerfully spiritual night
visions I have had. It came to me the first night I slept in San Francisco having moved from New
York a month ago. For three weeks I had been exploring canyons and mountains in Utah,
Wyoming and Montana, and I believe this dream was my final synthesis of all I had experienced
during this intense time of death and rebirth-- My (unknown) male partner and I are waiting at
the bottom of a canyon for an impending storm. We are both afraid not knowing what will
happen to us when the storm arrives, but we are too excited to let our fear overcome us. We
knew we were waiting for the "master" to come and reveal the secrets of the storm. The wind
was picking up and I realized that we were amidst an ocean of chi-- it was an energy storm. I
clung to the rocks in an ecstatic embrace and rode orgasmic waves of energy flowing through the
canyon. At last the master's presence was felt and we heard a voice tell us the mystery of the
canyon: the key to surviving the storm was to become one with the rocks for the rocks only
existed to create the sacred spaces in between-- By becoming one with the rocks, you too
become the sacred space through which the storm can flow through without harm. I understood
and woke up enlightened. I found this dream particularly interesting because of the "master"
symbol that appeared as a prominent figure. I had recently had a discussion with a friend about
the search for a master/guru, and I had a hard time agreeing that one must find such a person.
Although I believe there are innumerable teachers from whom we can all learn and gain insight
from by observing and honoring them through devotion, I hold firm to the belief that the highest
teacher resides within one's own self. So although the "master" was a disembodied male voice,
every piece of one's dream is none other than one's self, and therefore, the master is also none
other than one's self which extends out to all beings and things, including the sacred canyon
rocks.
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n179.2 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n178
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:33:15 EDT
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n179 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n180 --------------
001 - Anonymous - jack
002 - Anonymous - Jennifer...The Basement
003 - Anonymous - Dream
004 - Anonymous - Tropical Island
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n180.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: jack
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:04:40 -0700
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n180.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Jennifer...The Basement
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:02:13 -0700
Dream Last night I dreampt that I was at a university, I'm not
sure which one, but there was a group of us that heard about a
basement in one of the buildings that had a jacuzzi in it, so we
decided to look for it. We found this really skinny door and
went through it, and down some really steep stairs. Once we got
down there, we saw a professor that told us what we were
searching for was easy to find, but we would get lost trying to
get back. So he just showed us to a lounge area that had a bunch
of people studying, and a few aquariums. Most of the aquariums
had dead fish in them, and the ones that were alive were
surviving off of the flesh of the dead fish. A girl ran in and
said that it was her job to take care of the fish, but she had
been gone all summer, and just let them go. After that, I woke
up. I have a history of dreaming about fish, and they are usually
alive, but in
aquariums. I also have a big fear of the water, I
don't know where it stems from. Can you help? Comments by
Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n180.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dream
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:05:04 -0700
Dream Title Car with no Brakes By; The Scorpion
Date of Dream Multiple days, at night Dream I dream that I enter
in a vehicle and find myself with no brakes at all. I try to
stop but can't. Later I find myself driving through tall
downtown buildings at a high velocity and then I fall from the
high building. My car falls apart but I am not hurt. Then I
enter into another car and my worries start all over again. This
dream is reoccurring. I've dreamt it more than once. Comments
by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission
Comments Anyone can read my dream and I would like to know what
my dream is telling me. Is there any hidden meaning in the dream.
Thank you.
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n180.4 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Tropical Island
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:02:29 -0700
Dream In this dream I won an island. So my friends and I went to
my Island so I could show them around. I don't know how we got
there, but I began showing them around, then we took a seat in a
cafe (the only thing on the Island). We were talking and I told
one of my friends (Lewie) that I had won the Island. He siad
"you did not" and I replied "I did really I did" and my younger
sister backed me up and told this guy "she did win this Island".
I then told him that I have given everyone some land on my Island
so we can all build houses, and everyone will have a boat so we
could sail back to the mainland for supplies. I then pointed out
my friend Jim to the others and said "Jim is building his house
over there, he's just won 10 million dollars, so he's building a
house for Tanya and himself". Then I said to Lewie "do you want
to come and have a look around the Island?". He said he didn't
want to, and David (another friend) said he would stay in the
cafe and keep Lewie company. So afew of us went for a walk and
found a little lagoon. The water was crystal clear - you could
see colourful fish in the bottom of the lagoon. So we went in
the water. It was so calming, and warm. We were all swimming, I
went under the water - and it was as clear as it was out of the
water. The I came up from the water - stepped out of the lagoon
and woke up.
Comments by Dreamer A very pleasant dream, no fear. Just calming
- excpet for the friend who I had most conversation with
(Lewie). He didn't believe me, and seemed disinterested if not
pissed of that I have an Island. Permission to Comment
yes_share_comments Permission Comments do what you want with it,
it was a nice dream.
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001 - Anonymous - morte
002 - Anonymous - Dream Title "Running"
003 - Anonymous - "Second Coming-I Saw God
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n181.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: morte
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:31:04 -0700
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n181.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dream Title "Running"
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:42:09 -0700
Dream I don't quite remember the entire dream, but I vividly
remember the last fragment of the dream.
My three cousins and I were running in a field. This was a field
where I felt comfortable, almost like a childhood play area
(although in reality, there is no such place). We were running
to a certain area in the field into the woods. We were laughing
and screaming as we ran. It appeared as if we were a few years
younger, with the exception of my youngest cousin. My youngest
cousin was struggling to keep up with us. I grabbed her hand and
was pulling her ahead. My eldest cousin was carrying an apple pie
in both her hands and extended it away from her body. I felt a
sudden urge to take the pie and did so. I continued running
while everyone was chasing me into the woods. When I finally
reached my destination, I found myself in a dark green thicket
filled with water up to my knees. I waded into the middle of the
thicket and waited. My cousins watched me from the outside of the
thicket. Suddenly, frogs poured out from all around the thicket
in my direction. The movement was gradual, and I became
frightened (I am not afraid of frogs). I wasn't scared for my
safety; actually, I was concerned that the frogs would eat the
pie, which I realized at this point that it was an apple pie. I
heard a voice (it might have been my oldest cousin) telling me
that I shouldn't be afraid of the frogs, they were just trying
to help me. Soon the frogs slowly exited this thicket, and I was
left with the pie in my hands. All the water that was in the
thicket had disappeared. It was at this point that I woke up.
Comments by Dreamer I don't understand why I have such unusual
dreams. At times, my friends and I share our dreams, and mine
always seem the most eclectic and extraordinary. Their dreams
seem more realistic (every day occurences) than mine do. And
when my dreams do in fact seem normal, there is often a certain
characteristic that is attributed to them (ie: black and white,
only in one color, a different language- sometimes one that I
don't speak, only bottom half of the picture). Permission to
Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Please email me
responses or comments to my dream (if possible). I am interested
in knowing what people think of them
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n181.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: "Second Coming-I Saw God
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:42:21 -0800
Dream In the first dream, I was at the lake with some friends,
and all of the clouds that had been in the sky disappeared. A
few moments later, the sky was filled with clouds again, but
they all began to take the form of crosses. I was spinning so
fast, and all I could see was plain crosses. Then, suddenly, I
stopped spinning, and there was one cross larger than the others
and Christ was on it. Everyone became frightened, but I was so
filled with joy! I tried to spread the word as to what it meant
(I knew it was signaling the Second Coming), but no one would
listen-they would just panic. The next day I got married, and 10
months later, I had a baby, then Christ returned.
In the dream immediatly following, I was standing before God,
and he was holding my hands so lovingly! (He looked like any
other man-we really are in His image!) I was crying, but not a
lot. I asked "When", and He replied, "Soon, My child, soon."
And that is where these "visions" ended.
Comments by Dreamer These dreams gave me a inner peace. A year
ago, they would have scared me. But in the past year, I have
become so close to the Lord, and knowing that He was returning
soon made me so happy! Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n181 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n182 --------------
001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n179,180,&181
002 - Anonymous - Frustrating information
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n182.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n179,180,&181
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:03:32 EST
179 rock drm-peace had alin to the right of the canyon if you
had avoided becoming frightening 180 jack drm-peace had lain
to the ri[ght of the circle if you had avoided becoming young
jennifer drm-peace had lain to the right of the door if you had
avoided becoming really car drm-peace had lain to the right of
the car if you had avoided becoming "at all" tropical drm-peace
had lain to the right of the island if yoiu had avoided becoming
won running drm-peace had lain to the right of the field if you
had avoided becoming "almost" 2nd coming drm-peace had lain to
the right of the lake if you had avoided becoming "all of a
sudden" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
<http://www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/>
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n182.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Frustrating information
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:47:02 -0800
Dream I am with a tall, male, patient of mine. He seems very
familiar to me. He is dying of cancer (& knows it) & has bloody
urine. I am explaining to him that there is blood because of
irritation to the bladder wall. Something about my words is
irritating him & I ask him what it is -- how can I tell him what
he is asking. He begins to tell me about blood in his stools &
that he has already checked it. He is talking about preventing
constipation.
I am thinking that we need to sit down together at his table &
talk frankly. I am thinking that I have been being open & honest
with him, but he is unsatisfied. He almost seems not to believe
me. -- Dream interrupted & I am awakened by my cat.
Comments by Dreamer I am a Hospice nurse, so it would not be
unusual for me to be having this conversation with someone.
But, just before I lay down for the nap, I had been doing a
reading asking for insight on my difficulty with dream recall. I
feel no fear about this dream. I have a feeling that is is
addressing the dream recall question. Permission to Comment
yes_share_comments Permission Comments comments welcome
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n182 ---------------
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001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n182
002 - Anonymous - Honeybee
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n183.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n182
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:04:05 EST
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n183.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Honeybee
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:23:30 -0800
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n183 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n184 --------------
001 - <iodreams - Dragon Dream
002 - Anonymous - Out of body experience
003 - Anonymous - Comments on : Good Water/Bad Water
004 - Anonymous - M HEARS MY OM MAN
005 - Anonymous - ADVANCED LIFE FORM
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n184.1 ---------------
From: <iodreams
Subject: Dragon Dream
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:33:32 -0500
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n184.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Out of body experience
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 20:54:40 -0800
Comments by Dreamer This date it was the last day that I had
this dream but I am pretty sure I will have this dream over and
over again. Can anyone tell me the meaning of this dream?...
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments
Everytime I have this dream or other dreams I see alot of vision
of myself, I mean I see alot of me in my dreams. It sound crazy,
but the first time I had this dream I was 7 yrs old.
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n184.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Comments on : Good Water/Bad Water
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 03:26:47 -0800
Dream >my dream began in a tropical setting. swimming in
beautiful warm clear water >with a white sand bottom. i was
swimming nude with another person who was faceless. this dream
was one of the most sensuous dreams i have ever had. we were
swimming intertwined when all of the sudden the person
disappeared and i was suddenly fully clothed with heavy boots
and heavy jeans on. the water was no longer the ocean and
turned suddenly into a dark and murky lake with a deep muddy
bottom that was making me sink. Note what is happening at the
same time: the scene changes with exchange of the faceless
animus figure (probably) for clothes. When you come on scene,
you must come on in costume-- identified, since once on stage,
you must act out of your character; some would say, you must _be_
her. At that point, if I were to ask you which are you: who you
(unconsciously) are, or who you (consciously) think yourself to
be, perhaps it will cause a moment's doubt. With clothes/
without clothes, you see? Some have for that reason called
clothes "mental forms," and in an analogous way we may take the
animus figure more superficially to represent emotion; but this
first state intimates a union of opposites probably more
profoundly, while we have named but two. there were old rusted
out junk objects in the lake, cars and washers and dryers. Yet
in another sense, the dreamer has no difficulty with the
unconscious; in that sense, a healthy spleen is indicated by the
fact that one knows absolutely nothing about it, to perceive
which nonetheless is grace-- but the unconscious was quite
different to Freud than to Jung, though the same unconscious;
the universe was quite different to Newton than Einstein, but
the same universe; once identified with the conscious, possibly
everyday, mental sense of oneself (clothed), the dreamer has lost
the oceanic bliss, and gained for context the unconscious as a
muddy dump for discarded junk, in which swimming is hard work.
i had to trudge to the dock and very slowly pull my self up onto
the dock. once off the dock, in order to get to land, i had to
crawl through a very long twisty and curvy tunnel that was very
small. throughout the course of the tunnel i had to open all
kinds of chutes that were stuck and it took me several times of
trying to open them per chute. That does seem to resemble a
woman putting on clothes... i finally saw sunlight and was so
relieved to see the sunlight and be out of the tunnell. this
was the end of the dream. Often the dream tunnel is a tight fit,
or proceeding the other way at any rate, clothing (insulation)
must be discarded, but this part is somewhat redundant to the
muddy pond. I am reminded of one of the sybelline comments,
apparently unsolicited, from a woman suddenly telling me of a
sailing trip in which she went overboard, and weighted down by
winter clothes, she realized she could not surface, just sinking
down, when her husband's had reached down and fetched her up.
Husbands are occasionally good for something, you know; but then
sometimes it doesn't work, in which case it is probably best to
know how to swim. Comments by Dreamer due to a long term
verbally abusive relationship, i have great fear of one on one
relationships, dating, etc. i have recently begun extensive
therapy to be able to let bad memories go and start trusting and
dating again. A feminist friend told me of her appreciation for
a recent book which noted that when an animal hears a snarl
outside its burrow, it does not reason with itself, "You know,
that must have been my imagination; there is really nothing to
it... " Sometimes it is wiser to trust that feeling in the gut
than socially accepted platitudes? i'm a little apprehensive
about the order of the dream. it seems to me that i should have
had the bad part first, and the good part last. People do not
have so much difficulty with subjective information, nor with
objective information, but where the two are confused, confusion
generally reigns-- no, the opacity is aptly in between. maybe
i'm looking at this in the wrong context. Quite possibly. The
temporality of dreams is completely different also. - Tom
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n184.4 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: M HEARS MY OM MAN
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 03:40:04 -0800
I am standing at the end of a concrete block wall. I notice that
a broken slab from another concrete block has been shoved into
the earth beside the wall. My brother, M, sits, cross legged, on
the ground uphill of the wall. He signals for me to proceed and
I start chanting Om Mani Padme Hum. At first it comes out low
and mumbling and I am worried that M will be bored, then I start
gaining volume and as I do the deep vibrations of the mantra
build and literally shake my body and make my head buzz. The Om
Mani is a mantra to liberate all sentient beings. I woke from
this dream with a deep feeling of well being and the sense that
M, through his devotion to R, is himself becoming "an advanced
life form".
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n184.5 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: ADVANCED LIFE FORM
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 03:39:56 -0800
#40 ADVANCED LIFE FORM - Hugh In the midst of another dream my
brother, M, appears and tells me, most emphatically, that his
wife, R, is "an advanced life form". "She may not be able to
talk and she may not be able to eat," he says, "but she is an
advanced life form." I feel so very sorry for him but, of course,
since she is "an advanced life form" I mustn't show it.
After waking the sorrow that I felt for M eased as I saw that,
though caring for "an advanced life form" might not be fun, it
is a meaningful way to live. Later I learned from Tulku Bhagwan
Rimpoche that in Tibetan Buddhist tradition people, such as R,
whose lives seem to end before their physical death are regarded
as particularly meritorious, having managed to work out their
karmic burden and joining Nirvana while incarnate, thus
becoming, in a sense, "advanced life forms".
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n184 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n185 --------------
001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n183&184
002 - Anonymous - Pursuit
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n185.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n183&184
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:41:34 EST
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n185.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Pursuit
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 23:12:42 -0800
Dream I have twice had a dream that I had a pursuit, and the one
who wants to catch me was a giant. He did never catch me because
I was faster then he was. In the first dream he was pursuiting
me and a girlfriend of me in a wood. We reached our home earlier
then he.
But he was already in the house and I talked it out.
In the second dream there was another giant that was pursuiting
me ALONE in a factory, were there made carpets or something...
I climbed up to the roof, and he couldn't catch me because I was
meditating, something I don't do in normal life. After that I
escaped outside and he pursuited me again.
He was faster so I waked up. I didn't suscripe this dreams as
nightmares. I am from Holland, and male.
I just want to know what this means.
Comments by Dreamer I am not a shy person, and have good
friends. I am a HBO student. I hope, this is enough info.
email adress: goodlife@dds.nl Permission to Comment
yes_share_comments Permission Comments my email adress is:
goodlife@dds.nl You can use it.
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n185 ---------------
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001 - Anonymous - Fish and flowers
002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n185
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n186.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Fish and flowers
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:05:49 -0800
Dream Title Fish and flowers NiteShade Date of Dream
11/2/99 11:30 pm apr Dream In this dream I am walking on a side
walk in a surburban type area. Everything seems normal except
there are these Chinese fighting fish hoveirng over tiny, red,
four petaled flowers eating. I am not in water nor are they. I
can't figure this one out. I am not sure on the name of the fist
but I know the fighting part is right it may be Simmoan tho.
Comments by Dreamer wondering why fish were eating off of flowers
and hovering in air Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Be sure to drop off your dream at the research page that is
requesting fish dreams
<http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/kampmeier/>
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n186.2 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n185
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:37:28 EST
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n186 ---------------
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001 - Anonymous - It won't stop
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n187.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: It won't stop
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:44:18 -0800
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n187 ---------------
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001 - Anonymous - The English Patient
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n188.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: The English Patient
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:22:25 -0800
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-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n189 --------------
001 - AngstRidn - re: fish and flower dream
002 - Anonymous - Unfulfilled Revenge
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n189.1 ---------------
From: AngstRidn
Subject: re: fish and flower dream
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:51:24 EST
>Dream Title Fish and flowers >By NiteShade >Date of Dream
11/2/99 >11:30 pm >Dream In this dream I am walking on a side
walk in a surburban type area. Everything seems normal except
there are these Chinese fighting fish hoveirng over tiny, red,
four petaled flowers eating. I am not in water nor are they. I
can't figure this one out. I am not sure on the name of the fist
but I know the fighting part is right it may be Simmoan tho.
>Comments by Dreamer wondering why fish were eating off of
flowers and hovering in air >Permission to Comment
yes_share_comments >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COMMENTS TO DREAMER:
I've had dreams in which a fish bowl was broken and fish were
swimming in the air. We figured that meant it was the end of
Pisces analogy. the red, four petaled chakra is the root
chakra... Maybe this will help: Color: Red. Attributes:
Grounding, good health, survival instincts, vitality, sexuality
(for men). When Unbalanced you may experience: Violence, anger,
constipation, survival fears. To Awaken and Balance: Spend some
time each day sitting directly on the earth. Dance!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that the fighting fish were
eating of the petals... and the petals represent violence and
anger. See how fitting that is. Perhaps it is indicative of a
relationship that is not all that great recently, or heading in
that direction. It's also the story of the nation of china right
now. Hope that helps in some way. Dee
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n189.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Unfulfilled Revenge
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:19:48 -0800
Dream I had a dream about wanting to shoot my ex-boyfriend. It
was so weird because in the dream I was sitting with a guy I am
currently dating and we were looking at photos of myself in a
bikini when suddenly a gun appeared on the table and my ex was
on a boat climbing out of a window and I picked up the gun and
aimed it at him. I wanted to shoot him so bad, but the guy I was
with convinced me not to and said it wasn't worth going to jail
for. I found this dream very disturbing because I would never
shoot anyone. Comments by Dreamer I would like some insights on
what this could mean. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- END dream-flow.v001.n189 ---------------
-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n190 --------------
001 - Anonymous - the three head baby
002 - Anonymous - Crush/crushinggrl
003 - Anonymous - "Bloody Mary." Jax
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n190.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: the three head baby
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:26:21 -0800
Dream I felt I am pregnant. My belly was very big, it was very
hard to walk for me. one moment after I felt myself walking up
stears in the university, which was in another city, than I am
living. in my hands I had some papers, which I had to fill in to
enter the university. Walking up the stears I met my mother and
I could'nt understand how had she appeared there. After a moment
I felt that baby is coming up. I began to bear and after a moment
gave birth to my baby. At first look he was normal baby, but
suddenly I noticed he had three heads. I was so scared and
confused... And then I Woke up. Comments by Dreamer I haven't
any comments, but I can't to forget it. I feel it has some very
important message for me, but I can't understand it. Permission
to Comment yes_share_comments
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n190.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Crush/crushinggrl
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:05:41 -0800
Dream I dreamt that it had snowed out and the snow was very
deep. I was rolling down it and my new neighbor and crush, Ryan,
was there and so was my brother. When I would sled, I would go
under the snow and I felt stuck and was afraid that I would
suffocate. But I kept doing that. Ryan was watching me, so I
felt happy. Then I dreamt that I was at my grandma's house and
Ryan, who's a year younger then me, was there with his family.
His uncle came up to me and said that Ryan was going to ask me
out and I had to tell him yes. I like him so this was okay. Then
I was in a room and he came in and sat down on the chair with
me. My brother came in and went to sit down also, but Ryan and I
told him that we needed to talk. He left the room and we started
kissing. Later in the dream my brother was making fun of me and
my mom heard him say that I was thinking about my boyfriend
Ryan. My mom got angry and said,"We'll have to talk about that."
and I kept repeating, he's a freshman, don't worry. Then I was
in our school's auditorium and I saw him with another girl and I
was so jealous. But all I could think about was our kissing.
Comments by Dreamer I felt great because I've had a crush on him
since we moved and he's really cute. Even after the dream was
over, I felt tingly thinking about it and the dream(the kissing
part) kept repeating in my mind. Permission to Comment
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n190.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: "Bloody Mary." Jax
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:06:38 -0800
Dream "I am sitting on a cliff with my crow sitting upon my
shoulder. I turn and begin to walk into the forest. Then next
thing I know I am walking there a dark hallway that leads to a
large dark and somewhat damp cathedral. I stop before entering
and my crow glides off my shoulder and sits upon the alter.
After hesitating for a few I began to walk to the alter. My
boots echo on the hard Marble floor. When I reach it my crow
caws at me then tilts it's head side to side then glides to my
shoulder. I then turns to the right and walked over to the
marble figure of Mary. As I stood there looking up at her I
heard piter pattering of small naked feet of the floor along
with faint laughter. I turn to see if I can see it but no luck.
Then it faded so I turned back to Mary only to find that there
is something on her cheek. I looked closer only to find that it
was a faint trail of blood coming from her eyes.
Then I heard the same laughter again and this time when I turned
around I saw a small child running through a doorway on the far
end. My crow glided off my shoulder and went in the same
direction of the child. I didn't hesitate one-second and took
off in a made dash after my crow and the child. I ran down the
hall way only to exit in the area of the cliff in where I
started from. I heard the child again but this time it was
crying. I walked to the cliffs edge and looked down only to look
backover my shoulder and there stood this woman.
I couldn't see her face nor make and shape except that she was
wearing a long black or gray I don't know but it was dark and I
could see very well because the next thing I knew I was being
lifted into the air by my throat. I tried to break free but to
only have the grip tightened. She carried me over to the ledge
and then smiles with a fanged grin then dropped me." Comments by
Dreamer H E L P! ! ? ! ?
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001 - Anonymous - susan
002 - Anonymous - Getting married
003 - Anonymous - prediction dream:Witch
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n191.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: susan
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:24:16 -0800
Dream 10 years ago I was visited by my guardian angel. Prior to
visual confirmation, I was unable to open my eyes and move my
body. After considerable effort I slit my eyes to behold the
above. Recently and quite frequently I have been dreaming of
being unable to open my eyes, often in a work situation or
within my bedroom. I am curious as to what the meaning of this
might be. Am I experiencing another visitation or does it have
other meanings. My most recent is today. Comments by Dreamer
The dreams frighten me, only because I cannot open my eyes
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n191.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Getting married
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:51:18 -0800
Dream Okay, before I tell you my dream I must explain partly
what's going on with some of the people in it. Okay, the guy
I've been going out with is an alcoholic, and he tends to think
we are going to get married. So anyways, here it is...
Well, he and I are out on a date, and we are kissing, all of the
sudden we aren't in the car anymore, and we are standing beside
my dad, yet we are still kissing. My dad has this really odd
expression on his face, yet he doesn't say anything to me. Later
on when I get home my mom tells me that she never wants me to go
out with that loser again. I disobey her, and my dream flashes
ahead, and we are out on another date, and we are talking
seriously about something that has to be important judging by our
faces. He then pulls out the most gorgeous ring I'd ever seen,
and asks me to marry him. I know that the ring must have been
way out of his budget, but I keep it in my hand. The dream
doesn't show that I say yes, but it quickly flashes by and we
are getting married. Both of us are extremely happy and we leave
after the wedding to a beatiful place. Then my dream flashes back
and I see my parents crying. It is right after we have left, but
I can see them asking eachother where they went wrong. Then it
immediately flashes ahead again and I have 3 babies under 4
years old, and I am pregnant with another. He comes home from
work, and we are both really happy still. Everytime I see another
flash of my life it will show me, and then show my parents both
wishing I had married someone that went to our church. And then
the next time it shows us, we are going to church, and my
parents are really happy. My life keeps flashing and soon I see
all of my kids graduating, getting married, and starting their
own lives. I end up having 8 kids. I then see me and my husband
when we are getting old, and we are sitting in a garden that we
had both put together, and we are still really happy, and we
seem just as happy to be together as we did when we started.
Then it shows him in a hospital bed, and I am crying. I stay
there for many days, and then my life flashes ahead again and I
am sitting in the same garden, except this time my husband is
not sitting by me. My children come back and visit constantly,
but now it doesn't bring the same happiness as before, and I
feel as if I am dead myself. I feel like I have nothing left to
look forward to because he's not there to experience my life
with me.
This dream was so wierd when I dreamt it because it came at such
a wierd time. It was when I thought my boyfriend was tired of
me, and didn't want to be around me. The day after I had this
dream, he told me that whenever he thinks of where he will be in
5-10 years, he sees us being married and having a perfect little
life, and he basically told me the exact things that I had
dreamed! What does this mean?
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n191.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: prediction dream:Witch
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:30:01 -0800
Dream I dreamed that i was going to a witch to take classes
about magick.I was with two friends but in real life i don't
know them. The witch lived in a old building on the third floor.
She was very friendly,whe had alot of fun, i liked be with her.
When the class was over, and whe went away, she shaked my hand.
But suddenly she pulled me close to her, looked me right in the
eyes and said, "don't let the 5 holding you back" Then 1 of her
eyes lighted up. It was very strange, because then i knew i was
dreaming. Then she pulled me up with one hand, and then she let
me fall. I was frightend, but suddenly i stopped falling and i
floated a few centimeters above the groundfloor of the
building.I opend my eyes, but i was still dreaming, because i
saw the door from the building. Then i woke up, but i wasen't
like i woked up after a nightmare. It was very strange, i still
think about the message, and i'm sure i know that woman, but i
don't know who she is. Very strange, that's why i want help
because i want to know what that woman wanted to tell me!
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001 - Anonymous - frecklesct
002 - Anonymous - A LESSON IN A MOSQUE
003 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-
flow.v001.n186,187,188,189,190,191
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n192.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: frecklesct
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:23:02 -0800
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n192.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: A LESSON IN A MOSQUE
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:22:05 -0800
Comments by Dreamer * Citadel cadet uniforms, it might be noted,
have stiff, upright collars.
N.D., I recently discovered, survived ovarian cancer.
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--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n192.3 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n186,187,188,189,190,191
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:48:51 EST
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001 - <bobkrum - Disturbing Dream
002 - <bobkrum - Re: Disturbing Dream
003 - Anonymous - Sadness and Sorrow -- The Singer
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n193.1 ---------------
From: <bobkrum
Subject: Disturbing Dream
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:48:29 -0500
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n193.2 ---------------
From: <bobkrum
Subject: Re: Disturbing Dream
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:53:06 -0500
Hi "Cat" - Your dream theme is a quite common one specially with
teens and young adults, where romantic relationships are in a
state of flux. A variation occurs with people who have been
divorced and are in a new relationship. The key issue this dream
addresses is TRUST. The dream is calling into question the
dreamers trust in their partner or their trust in what their
partner represents in their life (in the dream it's related to
the big white house). The Pee Wee Herman part with the little
dog may be addressing youthful concerns (a la Pee Wee's Bigtop
Circus) or whatever Pee Wee means to the dreamer (maybe a fallen
star?). A point here is that everyone wishes their partner loved
them with the same degree and intensity as they feel, but the
reality is that it is very rare except for short periods of time.
If you really love and trust your partner, the ebbs and flows
will occur naturally and the relationship will continue to get
stronger with shared experiences over time. Many people think
that this kind of dream means that their spouse or partner is
cheating on them romantically. It may reflect that possibility,
but I would guess that unless there is some waking reality
evidence to support it, it is highly unlikely. What is more
likely is that the dreamer is feeling physically or emotionally
cheated by something their partner has done or a behaviour they
continue doing, and it is reflected as treason in the dream. In
the case of boyfriends and girlfriends the issue of "where is
this relationship going?" and the issue of "commitment" are
always lurking in the background. A question you might ask is
what would you do if this happened in real life? Would it be the
End of the Picture, or time to re-examine your relationship?
Sometimes we stay in relationships that are heading nowhere and
have outlived their life cycle for a variety of reasons. As is
usual, good dreams raise more questions than they answer, but
only the dreamer can answer them best for their life. Thanks for
sharing the dream. Bob K.
At 01:36 PM 11/20/1999 EST, you wrote: Yes, Bob, I had a dream
about my now Boy Friend. He & I had just met & fell in love &
lived in a big white house with his father, who has been dead in
real life for many years. Things were going great were very in
love. Then I fallow him when he takes a walk I find out that
he's seeing another woman. They come out of an apt. there
hugging and walking down the street in front of me. She doesn't
know who I am she tells me how wonderful my boy friend is and
how they met on a plane flight to Toronto. I drive her to the
airport. Funny part here Pee Wee Herman drives by me on the
freeway with his little dog. I get home she has sent a gift to
my boy friend the UPS guy is there I'm signing for the package
it seems to take forever the UPS man keeps writing on the box and
mentions it's a small statue. I open the box and there's a bra
inside the box. Evie in MD
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n193.3 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: Sadness and Sorrow -- The Singer
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:19:54 -0800
Dream I was in my school(I am an English Teacher) and I realised
one of my students had died. A 12 year old female(I am male). I
was extreamely upset and couldn't stop crying. I think someone
was trying to comfort me, but that's just a feeling, I don't
know for sure. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment
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001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n192,
002 - Anonymous - kittens and scorpions
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n194.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n192,
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:58:14 EST
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n194.2 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: kittens and scorpions
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:35:47 -0800
Dream I,m in a room that's warm and cozy-red carpet.There are
these drawers I am pulling out to see the kittens. They are very
cute and unique. One is only inches tall and looks like a fluffy
tiger. Then there's one who is grey with white on his face and
he is also cute, but much bigger and more plain than the rest
and I start to feel such deep sorrow because I'm afraid he will
never find a home. Just as I'm really loosing it,I wake up to a
scratching noise.
I open my eyes, but they are hard to focus. I see in the corner
of the ceiling closest to the bed, a large scurrying mass. It's
flesh colored and at first I think its a big spider. For a
second it looks like a crab, and as I'm wondering how a crab
would get on the ceiling of our third-story apartment, I see
that it's a huge scorpion. When I realize what it is, it runs
very fast to just above our heads. I shake my husband and yell at
him as I jump out of the bed. He wakes up very slowly and I keep
yelling at him to look. I'm afraid to grab him or my cat because
I don't want to make it run and get away, but I'm terrified it
will get one of them. Danny finally looks and says its not
there. I still see it and I make him look again. I'm expecting
him to jump to safety and then kill it for me. But as I try to
show it to him again, it just isn't there. But I saw it, heard
it, and watched it, feared it, fully awake, and it wasn't there.
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001 - Anonymous - My House by Magill
002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n194
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n195.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: My House by Magill
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:54:21 -0800
Dream My boyfriends friend Mike says he wants to see my house. I
show him downstairs--the basement room. It is all golden and
bright. He likes it. He borrows my hammer and tries to put it
back outside the house, hidden a nook, when the roof comes down
to the gound. I say no; I have a tool box, where I'll put it
back. He is amazed that I have a tool box. He exclaims: "a tool
box?!" "Yes", I say. Comments by Dreamer I know that I am trying
to let go of my boyfriend, or detach, because before this, I had
a dream about finding the toilet in his house. Permission to
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my dream.
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n195.2 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n194
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:24:02 EST
kittens drm-peace had lain to the right of the room if you had
avoided becoming "warm".
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001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n195
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n196.1 ---------------
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n195
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:33:13 EST
house drm-peace had lain to the right of the basement if you had
not become "all"
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001 - Anonymous - mio cane
--------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n197.1 ---------------
From: Anonymous
Subject: mio cane
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:40:49 -0800
Dream Title cane
Date of Dream 26/11/1999
Dream ho sognato che il mio cane si accoppiato con una
cagnolina e sono nati 10 cagnolini
(I have dreammed that my dog has coupled itself with a small dog
and is been born 10 small dogs ) (trans rcw via altavista)
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