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NEWS
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Hello to the online dream community! I have some Spring
projects I want to mention right off:
1. All ED Subscribers:
We will be offering experimental illustrated issues. Dane Pestano
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together a copy you can view offline on your own favorite
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more easily - as it can on the Net.
Simply subscribe to the address below and we will send you (once
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2. All Dream Web owners:
A. We are starting a "Friends of Electric Dreams" Web Ring.
This is a way to link together and create a better online
community. Ring Master Victoria Quinton has two addresses for you
to try to sign up:
http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=edreams;addform
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~mermaid/edring.htm
More instructions will be coming as the ring forms!
B. Please fill out the Dream Web Survey. (In the Dream Airing
Section) This information will be presented at the next
Association for the Study of Dreams conference and available
online about June 1998 at www.dreamgate.com/dream/history/
3. All Electric Dreams subscribers:
I found a service on the web that offers free chat rooms, drawing boards, bulletin boards and
other services that we could use as an online community. Please stop by via you web browser and
sign on, it only takes about 10 minutes.
1. Go to http://www.communityware.com/asp/community.asp?id=4894
2. Click the "register" button in the new user section (lower right corner).
3. Read the user agreement and click "I agree" when you are ready to continue.
4. Complete the registration form and click "submit."
5. Don't forget to bookmark this community in your browser.
If you want to put a sponser name in, use my dream persona name, dreambat13
It's really easy and best of all it's completely FREE.
What else is up this month?
Linda Magallon is helping to develop an online faq on dreams and
dreaming. This month she has included one on Mutual Dreaming, the
topic of her last book.
Jill Gregory, from the Dream Library and Archive, answers
questions about dreams and oobee.
In February Tony put his dream book online and has the discussion
mail list open for chat (ed-core@lists.best.com)
Electric Dreams is also publishing this work in parts. This month
is part III, The Message.
Tony will explain this concept and show how to practice and
bring this into your waking life.
For the full text go to
www.dreamgate.com/dream/dubetz/
Do you have dreams about deer? Nutcracker does, and if you would
like to travel with her and Dr. D. down the mythological path of
deer imagery, your deer dreams will never seem the same. Be sure
to read Deer Dreams.
If you are looking for a dream interpretation journey in the
spirit of Easter, look no further than Dr. Deus' Divine Messages.
In this issue Dr Deus will be dealing with many aspects of this
yearly "Resurrection" celebration. As Dr D says "... plenty for a
real spiritual feast which shall transport the reader through
Time and Space, from Hell to Heaven and from Death to Life."
For those of you who are new to dreaming online and all of the
above just seemed like an unknown language, take heart, our next
issue will focus on all the ways new folks can participate in
dream sharing in cyberspace.
I wanted to thank Linley Joy for moderating the dream groups
online for nearly a year. Linley will be heading off to pursue
career choices that don't allow her the time to continue the
groups. I really think you are wonderful for moderating and
supporting the online dream community in this way and wish you
the best!
And so, we now need a new moderator for the dream groups -
anyone who is interested, contact me. Also, if you would like to
join a group, drop me a line and I'll send you instructions.
Are you interested in the events, conferences and projects that
are concerned with dreams and dreaming? If so, be sure to read
Peggy Coat's Global Dreaming News. This forum will update you on
what is happening in the world of dreams, both online and off. If
you have information you feel should be on this news, contact
Peggy at pcoats@dreamtree.com or stop by the newly upgraded
www.dreamtree.com
Dreams & comments - Where are they? We will be sending them
separately next week.
Richard Wilkerson
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Notes, letters to the editor
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From
Patricia Kampmeier <patkamp@pacbell.net>
I am collecting dreams of fish,
worms, wolves, cats and salamanders, and also numinous dreams of
any kind. Series of any of these would be especially
interesting. Please tell your dream(s) and then a little about
what that symbol means for you. If you wish to show the work you
have done, including drawings, to arrive at that meaning(s),that
would be great, too, though not necessary.
Several meanings for a particular symbol are OK, since dreams are
many-layered. I would also like to know how old you were when
you had each dream.
Thanks, Pat
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Dear Richard,
here is a recent letter I wrote to a woman having scary times
during spontaneous adventures on the Astral Plane, OBEs, and
hypnogogia. Let me know what you think as far as it being useful
or what you are looking for your on-line FAC file.
Dear Inquirer,
I read your letter with sympathy and interest. I felt sympathy
for your fears and struggles with out-of body experiences and
hypnogogic imagery. I felt interest because what you are
experiencing is completely normal and probably quite responsive
to dreamwork intervention.
First of all let me say that you are a keen observor of your
experience and that delights me. It shows you are aware and
intelligent and will be an ally in the process of coming to a
better relationship with these hypnogogic experiences.
The feeling of not being able to breathe may be due to a
sensation of compression of your chest. The tension and fear you
are experiencing are a natural result of not understanding
what is happening, of fearing both what is happening and of
what may happen and most important, the feeling of
helplessness.
In my opinion, you are having spontaneous OBEs or Astral
Projections launched from a state of light trance or the
pre-sleep state known as the hypnogogic state. One of the
characteristics of the hypnogogic state and also of being on
the astral plane is the sense that it is real. Despite this
sense, you need to know that you are not in real danger. It is an
imagetic world and you are the travelor who has a real physical
body and a lifetime in progress here on planet Earth. Nothing
you are experiencing is changing that.
I recommend reading a book called Hypnogogia by Andreas
Mavromatis. It was a paperback published by in 1991 by
Routledge, Chapman and Hall, Inc. Address: 29 West 35th St., New
York, NY 10001. It was originally published in 1987. It is
probably out of print but maybe a book search service could help
you. You are right. Books on hypnogogia and hypnopompoia are very
rare.
I would recommend reading some Robert Monroe materials because he
devoted his life to researching these experiences and to figuring
out how to have them be positive experiences for people. Robert
Monroe's books are Journeys Out of the Body originally published
in 1971 by Doubleday & Company. And Far Journeys , originally
published in 1985 by Doubleday & Company. Although Robert Monroe
died, I believe that his institute is still thriving. Write to
Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences, Faber, Virginia 22938. They
have hemi-sync audio tapes available for purchase which may
prove helpful for you in creating more pleasant experiences and
easier transitions between states of consciousness.
In my view, you have a talent for exploring hypnogogic imagery
and dream experiences in light trance. If you were with me
talking about your situation, I would wonder whether or not you
wished help in making these experiences more enjoyable and
beneficial to you or whether you wished help in decreasing the
frequency of these experiences. If the latter is true, I would
recommend developing incubation, a basic dreaming skill, and
lucidity, another dream skill that helps you have more than one
perspective on dream-like experiences. In your case, if it is
not practical for you to find someone to train with or a special
interest group on these topics, then read on the topics.
Other things that will probably help: (One) Find a partner who
has experiences along this line and do dreamsharing on a regular
(weekly if possible) basis. Make sure that they are interested,
respectful , and have a positive attitude toward inner
exploration as worthwhile, potentially beneficial and enjoyable.
Do not pick someone who feeds your fears. That is just what you
do not need. If you can not find anyone totalk with, there are
dreamworkers I can recommend who will work with poeple by phone
for a fee. Let me know if you are interested in those names.
(Two) Learn some simple dreamwork techniques and begin doing
dreamwork with your own dreams. This may shift your focus to
something easier for you to handle at present and may provide a
release valve on the intensity of energy & imagery you are
experiencing. I like to recommend a book by Strephon Williams
,Jungian-Senoi Dreamwork Manual , revised edition. Also Will
Philip's book Every Dreamer's Handbook by Kensington Press. Jill
Morris's book The Dream Workbook or her Transformational Dreaming
are both excellant.
Next time when you are doing these Astral Adventures, focus your
attention on relaxing during the experience. The more you tense
up the worse the experience becomes- it is like riding a horse.
The more you tense up, the more tense the horse gets and the
worse ride you have. The more you relax, the more the horse
relaxes, the better ride you both have. Dreams, hypnogogia,
trance experiences and OBEs are all like that.
One time I was having an OBE and my experience was that I could
not re-enter my body. I kept trying and getting more afraid and
tense. Finally I got a grip on myself and stopped escalating and
re-acting and decided that this was just a very intense
experience almost as intense as giving birth to a baby - so I
could relax like I would do in the intensity of labor - put all
of my attention and energy on relaxing as completely as
possible. So I relaxed. It felt better. I relaxed more and more
till I forget what I was worrying about. Suddenly I experienced
being back into my body. Maybe that will work for you especially
with a little practice.
Now about your situation of not being able to tell whether or not
you are awake. This is a normal experience of being sensitive to
and open to experiences of the inner world. We begin to see some
ways that the physical world is dream-like and to appreciate the
special reality that the inner world has as well. With time, you
may be able to figure out little clues to sort out waking & dream
experience for yourself. Or you may devise a little test such as
playing with the sensation of gravity. Sometimes I jump up and
see if it feels different than physical reality or I float a
little bit just to the tops of grass blades- enough to know this
is most likely a dream.
After reading your letter, I would believe that you are a regular
person who has an active inner imagery life but who unfortunately
was not given the tools to understood how to relate to these
experiences. We all grew up in a society which doesn't care about
these things or know enough about these things to properly
educate and help people deal with them. We are left on our own
and worse, made fun of or are somehow made to feel bad about
having these experiences. You are simply more skilled and
talented in this department than our society and your social
network.
It may be time that you begin to trust your inner world which
after all hasn't actually harmed you during the past several
years you have had these experiences. I also recommend since you
mentioned things being better for you with a light on, keeping a
night light on if possible during night sleeping. Take care of
that inner child who is scared.
There are lots of books on astral travel. Unfortunately, many of
them preach doctrine like umbilical cords, golden light, and
stuff that may not fit for you. When you read books, pull out
what seems to fit for you and seems helpful to you. Let the rest
go.
The book on Astral Travel that I recommend as being potentially
helpful to you is Out-Of-Body Experiences by Rick Stack. I asked
a friend of mine who told me she believe it is still in print.
She also considers it to be potentially useful for people in your
situation. Rick Stack specifically addresses fears and how to
work with the basic principles involved in astral travel.
If it is any reassurance to you, I know of many people who take
classes, train with experts and invest a lot of themselves to get
the place where you seem to have arrived spontaneously. There is
much that you could do with that state of consciousness if you
are interested in developing your dreaming self.
Please write to me and let me know how you are doing.
Yours for dreams,
Jill Gregory
Let's Get some attention for your Dream Site!
Cyber-Dream History Survey
Hi, Richard Wilkerson here. I'm updating the Dream History site
for the July ASD conference and wanted to link in with your
history.
If you could take a few minutes to fill out some or all of the
material below and give permission for this material to be
published online, we could really move forward in getting some
attention to your projects.
The initial idea of the project was to have a kind of grass-roots
history site, and let everyone add to it as they wish. This
aspect is still available, but most of us have been to busy to
keep up. I'm hoping this annual survey will help. These will
also help update both the ASD links and the Electric Dreams links
to your projects.
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Dreaming in Cyberspace 1998 Survey
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[X] Yes, I give my permission for the material in this survey to
be published.
[ ] No, here is a link to my site, just use this without any
summary info. Give Title of site.
[ ] Yes, let's do both Link and Summary, permission to publish
given. Link URL below:
LINK/URL
Please use this logo (URL here)
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All the questions below pertain to ONLINE activity only. This
includes the Internet, Usenet, any intranets, BBS, or other
computer mediated communication networks.
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Unanswered questions will be assumed as "no".
Please fill out info on questions as completely as possible so
others can access your resources
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o Give a brief, (a paragraph), history of your *online* dream
activity.
o Give a brief statement about your future goals on the Internet
related to dreams and dreaming. (Online Programs, groups,
meetings, irc, web sites, mail lists,,,)
o Do you have a distribution list to keep subscribers up on your
activities? (include access info)
o Do you have an online publication related to dreams and
dreaming? (include access info)
o Do you have a discussion mail list, listserv or majordomo type
e-mail disscussion or conference list?
(include access info)
o Do you have a service on a Commercial ISP, such as AOL, MSM,
Prodigy or Compuserve?
(This may include bulletin boards, information, chat rooms, or
uploaded texts, ect)
o Do you meet regularly on IRC, ICQ, Powwow or other chat rooms
to discuss dreams?
(if open to the public, please give access info, urls, ect)
o Do you have a Web based Bulletin Board for threaded
discussions?
(if open to the public, please give access info, urls, ect)
o Do you offer dream education that takes place online?
(describe, access, URLs, prices)
o Are there politics about dreams and dreaming online that
concern you? (free speech, anonymity, children, inappropriateness
of dreamwork, ect)?
o Do you have software available for the public? If so, describe
and give prices and access.
o Do you do dream related telephone consultation? Please describe
and give info and prices.
o Do you post material regularly on Usenet Newsgroups? (list
groups, info - alt.dreams, faq files)
o Do you conduct dream research online?
o Are you a member of ASD, The Association for the Study of
Dreams?
(if not, are you interested?)
o Are you interested in becoming a volunteer for
1. The Electric Dreams Virtual Dream Sharing Community?
2. The ASD online Web Project?
(includes interests in art, graphics, hosting online events
as well as other activities)
o Do you need volunteers for programs of your own? (please
include tasks)
o Are you interested in joint dream projects with other web sites
and online virtual dream related communities? (running a dream
group, mutual FAQ files, Global Dream Congress 2000, An online
Dream Conference, Dream History site, political actions, ect)?
o Describe any other online dream projects not mentioned above?
o If you offer offline resources, please include what they are
and how they are accessed.
If your offline offerings are time limited, please refer to the
Global Dreaming News.
Peggy pcoats@dreamtree.com or richard at rcwilk@aol.com
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Hi
I do things in my dream and I would like to know where does it come from?
How can I stop it? It can bring me in embarrasing situations! How can I "program" my mind or
subconsious not to dream these stuff?
Thankx
God Bless (N S')
Hey, we are now ARCHIVING ed-core@lists.best.com
you can find the threaded list of entries, dreams and comments at
The Mail Archive under ed-core@lists.best.com
Just go to:
http://www.mail-archive.com/ed-core@lists.best.com/
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Dear Mr. Wilkerson,
I am running a free message board and chat service. One of my most active
boards is titled "OOBE and Lucid dreaming". Please check it out at the
following location and add it to your list if you find it appropriate.
Site URL:
http://boardheaven.communitech.net
The board itself is at http://boardheaven.communitech.net/oobboard but
please link the main page if you decide to link at all.
Best regards,
Burak Ozkok
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Greetings!
I recently visited the ASD website, and I searched the database
using the keywords "Music and Dreams." Unfortunately, nothing
came up. I was wondering if you had any information concerning
pre-sleep stimuli (i.e. music) and the effects on sleep and
dreams. Any help is greatly appreciated. Even links will help.
Thanks!!
Joshua M. Coleman
http://web.nmsu.edu/~joshcole
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DREAM TREK
By Linda Lane Magall¢n
Mutual Dreaming FAQ
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Richard Wilkerson has asked me to compile a FAQ ("Frequently
Asked Questions" memo) for mutual dreaming. Of course, some
inquires require a book-long discussion to answer. Here are a few
quick ideas. Should you have other questions, please let me know.
CaseyFlyer@aol.com.
1. What is a mutual dream?
The most generic definition is, "Something in my dream
corresponds to something in your dream." The two classic mutual
dreams are meeting and meshing. In a meeting dream event, I see
you and you see me. For meshing dreams, we share themes, emotions
or symbols; or the wording of our dream reports is quite similar.
You dream of gazing in rapture at the night sky; I dream of being
surprised to see the stars after I switch off the light.
2. Where can I find information about mutual dreams?
The most detailed source is *Mutual Dreaming* by Linda Lane
Magall¢n (New York: PocketBooks, 1997). Linda spent 13 years
researching the field and facilitating intentional co-dreaming
projects. The book covers spontaneous and intentional mutual
dreaming, and includes lucid and non-lucid examples. An appendix
in the back of the book lists references and examples that can be
found in other books. There isn't much on-line, posted
information on the subject yet.
3. Where can I share my own mutual dream examples or find
co-dreaming partners?
There is no bulletin board or mailing list that specializes in
mutual dreams, only. You might post your dreams at the alt.dreams
and alt.dreams.lucid newsgroups and ask for a response. The two
mailing lists that are currently open to discussion and activity
are listed below. People join, start talking about the subject
and then suggest a dream-together project.
The Intuition Network
http://www.intuition.org
To post/dreams@intuition.org
Subscription: Send email message to listserv@intuition.org and
enter in body of email "subscribe dreams" followed by your email
address, ie.
subscribe dreams George@ZXY.com.net
For information, send email with message "send info" to
info@intuition.org
(Thanks for this information to Jeffrey Mishlove, President of
the Intuition Network.)
Sethworks
http://www.dreamworld.org/sethworks/
Write "subscribe sethworks" in the body of an email, and send
it to robot@dreamworld.org
To post/sethworks@dreamworld.org
(Thanks to moderator Jen Beaven/eris@servtech.com)
4. What are group mutual dreaming projects and where can I join
them?
Group dreaming projects often have a facilitator who chooses a
goal and then requests people to deliberately incubate dreams
about the goal.
A meshing goal is an invitation to dream together about a topic
or theme. For example, the February 1998 goal of the *Interactive
Dreaming* site was "Dreams, Teach Me New Depths of My Beloved!"
http://http://www.dreamcd.com/cdgrp.htm
A meeting goal is an invitation to meet in the dreamspace. There
is no ongoing place for group meetings, but *Fly-By-Night Club*
sponsors public group meetings a couple of times a year (the next
"Fly-In" will be July 25, 1998). Results from past projects have
been posted at the web site. Club members also engage in private
dream meeting projects.
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/fbnc/fbnc01.htm (Fly-By-Night
Club)
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Easy Dreams:
Making Nightmares Pay (Part III: The Message)
by
Anthony Dubetz
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Its just around the corner and you have no place to hide. It
knows where you are, follows you relentlessly and reads your
mind. eeeek! And then you wake up. It was a nightmare and now you
really would like to talk to someone. Who to Call?
Anthony Dubetz, author of EASY DREAMS has a special phone line
just for you! the Dream Hot line in Chicago (312) 589-2471 has
been helping those puzzled by dreams for several years.
"the Main thing is what your think about your dream", he says, "
That is, what you must eliminate the next day." Overused parts
of the personality leave other parts neglected. "Maybe your dream
is actually telling you that you've reached a burn-out level in
your personality. the dream might be getting a little scarier
every day - it may be shouting at you."
Now Anthony is making his dream wisdom available to readers of
Electric Dreams and will be online answering questions about
ideas and particular dreams on the ed-core mail list.
If you would like to see the whole text complete,
1. you can
get Tony's text, _Easy Dreams- Making Nightmares Pay_, a 41 page
booklet fully explaining The Dream Hot-Line method available for
$6.00 send to Anthony Dubetz, P.O. Box 34934, Chicago IL 60634
2. Or visit his site at www.dreamgate.com/dream/dubetz/
3. Or keep reading Electric Dreams over the next few months!
Note: Page numbers kept in place that correspond to the
Printed book. Re-print permission by Anthony Dubetz.
For PART I & II: refer to the above or Electric Dreams vol 3 # 2
Feb and ED 3 #4
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Easy Dreams: Making Nightmares Pay :
You're out of your element. That's what we believe happens
in a dream. Part of your soul, spirit, aura, etc. leaves your
body (element) while you sleep and interacts with the collective
spirit of your environment.
The part that leaves is your weakest part. Therefore, when
you see it you've got a good idea of what you should avoid
becoming when you wake up. If you can avoid becoming like your
weakness, you will be strong. Also, your dream travels ahead in
time toward the direction of your momentum. Because of this
you have at least 24 hours notice of your own future. The next
day you will be in for a close encounter with that future.
Remain the way you were in your dream and that encounter will
be deja vu.
Now that you know why we recommend you avoid becoming like
your dream but instead remain the way you were in your dream,
you're ready to read the method. When you've discovered your
dream's momentum and you'd prefer to travel your own path
instead, I've personally taken to trying the path out to the
right or left of my dream's geographical location (from where I
dreamt the dream.) For example, if my dream was of a place North
of where I slept, I find myself feeling stronger to the East or
West. Good deja vu to you and pleasant dreams.
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III. The Message
What does it mean? Over and over I've asked and heard this
question from others. You have your pain read or your chart cast.
You sneak into Madame Beula's reader- adviser shop and ask this
question. The experience of dreams that seem somehow more than
ordinary are cause to ask "What does it mean?" I became tired of
answers to some of these questions or partial answers or no
answers. I searched to find some constant in the world of dreams
that would answer "What does it mean?" every time, not just part
of the time. I found the constant and strangely enough it's us.
We make the messages in our dreams. Don't let anyone tell you
dreams have no messages or only certain kinds of dreams, lucid or
high dreams, have messages. Every single dream has an important
message. Moreover, if you don't get the message your dream will
make itself more and more evident by recurring or becoming
alarming. Your dream may even try to frighten you to get your
attention. I can show you how to read these messages and improve
your life.
What if you saw perfection? Could you improve and learn from this
perfection? What if the perfection was your impression of the
middle of your dream? What if that impression of the middle were
perfection be cause it was always wrong wrong for you now until
your next dream. Wouldn't it be advisable to avoid something
perfectly wrong? OUR IMPRESSION OF THE MIDDLE IS SOMETHING WE
SHOULD LEARN TO AVOID. That's the lesson in every dream. AVOID
BECOMING YOUR IMPRESSION OF THE MIDDLE. That impression of the
mid dle is perfectly wrong. Knowing your impression is perfect ly
wrong about anything all the time, no exception, is a blow to any
person's pride; but you can think of this impres sion of yours as
a constant, as a beacon of light shining from a lighthouse on the
rocky shores of life. It's always warning you not to endanger
your ship. It sends you away but leaves you plenty of other ports
to call on. It sends you sailing on and gives you a day's life
that is a little less im perfect. Every perfectly wrong thing you
can eliminate from your life tends to lead your life closer to
the perfectly
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right. It really works! Trying this method will be the only way
you will know if I am right or wrong. Do you think you are ready?
This is the method that will answer "What does it mean?"
I dreamed I saw the Macedon-
ian army all on fire and their
leader, Alexander the Great,
waiting for me clad in the same
clothes as I had worn when I
was a courier to the late king
of Persia. Alexander vanished
out of sight into the temple of
Belus. I awoke.
The middle of this dream is Alexander, first because he made the
greatest impression, and secondly because he held the temple and
the army in common, and thirdly be- cause he represented the
dreamer's self-image because of the clothes he wore. Forgive me
for going ahead with the meaning of this dream before I ask you
what you think. I want you to see a finished product in your
first example. Alexander is the middle. What is the dreamer's
impression of the middle? It's "Alexander vanished" from the army
to the temple. What does it mean? It means AVOID VANISH ING.
Wasn't that easy? Too bad the man who had this dream couldn't
understand its meaning. The man was Dari us, King of Persia. He
had this dream before his army bat tled Alexander the Great.
Darius' army outnumbered Alex ander's so Alexander told his army
to hang tight and keep one thought in mind as they engage the
Persian army: "Kill Darius." The Greek army held tight and did as
Alexander ordered, and instead of trying to defeat every Persian
sol dier they instead struck at the position Darius himself held
on the battlefield. As they came closer and closer, Darius became
more and more afraid. He became so alarmed at this approach that
he decided to retreat himself before the battle had yet been
decided. He not only retreated, but vanished altogether from the
field, and his command ers and men, seeing this, broke ranks in
confusion. Alex
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ander's disciplined army, which he personally led, gained the
advantage, won the battle and eventually vanquished all of
Persia. Darius was caught by some of his army trying to vanish
from the country after this disaster and was executed by his own
guard. For want of a dream? We don't know what would have
happened if Darius had listened to his dream's message and
avoided vanishing, but it sure makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Try giving the answer to this dream question using an other
historical dream. Don't worry, you won't change history for the
worse if you get it wrong. Answer the question this Greek general
might have asked you when he was trapped between a deep river
behind him and an army of Persians before him. He knows this time
he won't be able to withstand the Persian offensive and yet re
treat across a deep strong river will be too slow. His forces
will be cut down by Persian arrows. The general falls asleep
pondering the situation and awakens after this dream, asking you
the interpreter, "What does it mean?" This is the dream.
I was tied up with thick ropes
so tightly I could not move. Sud-
denly the ropes fell away of their
own accord allowing me to walk
freely unencumbered in any di-
rection.
What does it mean?
Think to yourself, what is the middle? Pause, ask your self
what was the dreamer's impression of the middle? You know this
impression is what must be avoided. You know this impression is
what must be avoided. Remember your life may be at stake in this
interpretation. You sweat a bit. You've got it. Tell the general
what he should avoid. Identify the middle of the dream. Did you
pick the ropes for the middle because they created the strongest
impression and held the dreamer's bondage and freedom in common?
Right on! Now you say the dreamer's impression was that the ropes
freed him to let him walk freely in any direction. Your
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decision is that the general should avoid freeing himself in any
direction as the ropes did. A large bag of gold for you, because
a messenger brought news during the night some soldiers called to
some girls across the river that was thought too deep to cross
and after conversation, the girls invited the soldiers to cross
at a secret location up the river, not just anywhere, but at a
ford where the water was shallow. Only thigh high was the water
all the way across. Congratulate yourself. You told the general
to avoid freeing himself in any direction. Now he knows he must
walk in a very special direction.
After you've rested and enjoyed that bag of gold, try another
dream.
I crossed a bridge. The water
was surging on both sides of
the bridge. The high water
made it very dangerous. The
bridge was very close to the
water but it was a sturdy
bridge and I crossed it safe-
ly. Now I am in a place with
many people. Someone is
telling me about a dream and
suggests that I paint it. I can-
not paint someone else's dream.
I can only paint what is real-
ly mine. Now I see the suggest-
ed dream picture. It is not real
because the image is lying flat.
Now, as I contemplate the scene,
I see the whole thing. The im-
age is lying flat on a circular
island, in the center of a most
beautiful blue lake, surround-
ed by a verdant landscape
of trees and an ethereal sky
It has a mystical duality of
atmosphere in a spherical
depth.But I am distressed
becausethe image is lying flat.
Now as I look and contem-
plate this scene, the image
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of its own motion is lifted into
a vertical position. I see it clear-
now. It is an oval stone, life-
size, smooth and polished. It
is about one foot in thickness,
and 6, 8, or 10 feet tall, with a
white figure carved in the lapis
lazuli of a ring, only life-sized.
The figure incised in the stone
looked archaic Greek or like an
ancient prophet. What disap-
pointed me was the fact that
the reverse side of the stone
was unknown. It had no figure
on it. Now it is all clear to me.
I see the picture of what I am
supposed to paint.
My editor wanted me to cut this dream in half but don't let its
length be misleading. There is a repetitive theme. See if you can
find it with me. Look for the middle in each segment. There is
the first part of the dream, when the dreamer crosses a bridge;
the part when the dreamer sees someone else's dream, and the
vision of a large blue stone. Lapis lazuli means blue stone. Read
the dream again and try to find the strongest impressions the
dreamer received from the three segments. (The fourth segment was
an- other impression of segment two.)
The first middle symbol was the bridge. It held two shores in
common, separated the water into two sides, and gave the dreamer
an impression of being close but safe. The second middle symbol
is the segment about the many people and the one person who
together proposed the dreamer paint a dream. This
dream-in-a-dream is set in the middle of a blue lake. It has to
be a middle symbol doesn't it? The third middle symbol is the
lapis lazuli segment. This stone held two different sides in
common: the
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side with a figure and the side without. We have three mid dle
symbols now: the bridge, the dream in a dream, and the stone.
Next we must find the impressions these middle symbols gave. The
bridge was close and safe. The dream was distressingly flat. The
stone's most impressive side was disappointingly figureless. The
fourth and final impression is: Flat is what I'm supposed to
paint. Now give the answer to the question, "What does it mean?"
The message is avoid becoming close, flat and figureless. This is
the dream of a celebrated painter, Irene Pereira. She took the
dream to mean she needed more depth in her painting and therefore
she changed her whole approach. The technique she used after this
dream, making her paintings fuller and more whole, changed her
life.
We know from the dream she should have avoided a disappointingly
flat image. We used a logical quasi-scientific approach to arrive
at our conclusion. The artist used an intuitive approach. Unlike
Hitler's intuitive interpretation, Irene Pereira's intuitive
interpretation was right and the world gained beautiful art.
Intuition is fine when you're right, but when you're wrong it can
be hell for you and everyone around you. That is why a human
decision based on both the intuitive dream and the logical brain
makes the system you are using in this book both reliable and
fail-safe.
Try a short dream now by yourself. You must be getting a little
tired.
I keep having dreams about
losing my teeth.
When I said try a short one by yourself, I wasn't kidding.
What's the message of this dream? Before I tell you my
choice, I'd like to recall a dream I gave you in the chapter on
impressions.
A large alley cat got hold of
my arm and I couldn't get free.
I called for help but nobody
could hear me. The cat had strong,
tight gripping jaws. I was helpless."
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We have here jaws, a strong middle symbol, for there is an upper
and lower jaw with a gripping, a tight gripping between them.
Tight gripping jaws gave this dreamer the impression of
helplessness. The message is avoid becoming like the cat in this
dream. Avoid making yourself and others feel helpless. I haven't
forgotten to ask you to analyze the dream previous to this cat
dream. I just wanted to hold off long enough to let you hear the
cat dream. Here's why. The last dream was dreamt by the mother of
the dreamer who kept losing her teeth. Did you make the teeth
dream out to be telling its dreamer to avoid becoming lost? Good.
Now try to look at the two dreams together. A mother is being
warned to avoid becoming like a cat with a tight grip and her
daughter is being warned to avoid be coming lost. Sometimes
mothers can be so loving that they lead their children's lives in
an attempt to keep the children from pitfalls. This can make the
child feel helpless without the guiding hand of the parent. This
dependency can make the child a failure when it comes to making
her onw life.
Those two last dreams were quite revealing put together, weren't
they? You might like to try that when you become more comfortable
reading dreams. Remember the message of your last night's dream
when you read a dream of some one else's that day. The results
may be very startling and useful.
The following dream is the dream of someone who has never known
any real success in life.
I dreamed I saw a pile of dead
bones lying in the road. I had a
gun and fired into the heap of
bones. Instantly the bones were
galvanized and assembled them-
selves into the body of a man.
Can you identify the middle symbol of this 30
nightmare? Did you say the gun? The gun that magically
transformed bones into a brand new human beig is the middle
symbol and also the message, which is: avoid magic
transformations. Avoid trying to transform a life--yours or
another's-- radically. This dream was told to me by a sick man
who had, in his own words, sacrificed everything he possessed to
become a poet. He had even sacrificed his own material body and
become stricken with a chronic lung condition (an organ that
astrologists and psychiatrists say represents ex pression in
words.)
The man now informs me that he wants to get bet ter, to stop
neglecting his material body. He wants his physicians to give him
medications and vitamin that will transform him back again into a
man of ordinary good health all at once. Presto-Change-O! He is
wil- ling even to sacrifice his calling as a poet if that will
mean he can be healthy again. My advice to him was, avoid extreme
transformations. Take your time; make gradual changes. Becoming
what you want to be is an evolutionary process which may include
a working out of a personal karma through a certain amount of suf
fering, but that suffering itself is not the goal.
NEXT month Part IV:. Confirmation
You now have a grasp of the first three steps in my
approach to reading dreams (the middle, the impression, and the
message) and may wonder what else is there to the method. If you
are not reading this book at one sitting or in one day, but
reading it over a few days or weeks, and if you are remembering
your dreams and trying my approach to find their messages, you
may have already experienced the fourth step in my approach. That
step is an experience more than an action. The experience is
"deja vu." We all must have experienced this feeling of being
sensually aware of an experience you cannot remember ever
actually having. It is a mystery. Almost. I believe deja vu is an
awake re experiencing of the middle symbol in your dream. If the
middle symbol was not recognizable through an analysis when you
awoke, its reappearance in your daily routine can be a deja vu
experience.
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Deer Dreams
Nutcracker and Dr D
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In regards to my two dreams submitted to the ED Core,
"Revelation" and "Deer Social", I have since had a third dream
that seems to relate to my research into comments made by Dr. D.
and our compilations following the research of my 'past lives',
if you will.
The third dream was quite simple.
===Dream: 'Winged Leader' by Nutcracker ===
I had driven to a house. I went inside and found a man. The man
was (Dr D as) a Tibetan monk of revered status. We stood at the
kitchen window as he dried the dishes. He wore off white
clothing. The kitchen too was white. Everything we communicated
was done via telepathy. I sensed that he was unhappy with my
having material possessions and communicated back to him, "Oh,
Winged Leader, the vehicle does not belong to me." I felt he
thought I was a braggart for arriving in style. This pained me
immensely as the last thing I would want to do is flaunt my
possessions in anyone's face. (3/11/98) Mystical
(comments from Nutcracker: As I hadn't actually seen the vehicle
I had arrived in, it could have been a deer for all I know).
Before Dr D and I begin our journey, I'd like to say up front
that I don't necessarily believe nor disbelieve in reincarnation
in regards to my 'Deer Social' dream and comments from the ED
core, but I am open and willing to explore the possibilities of
past lives (knowledge is power). How else is it possible that so
many different cultures over so many eons all come up with the
same icons otherwise? The information that I've found to date is
very intriguing.
So, the Lord/Goddess of the Stags is going on a treasure hunt
with Dr D. Come along, only if you dare!
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The Divine Deer Herd Compilations
A friend of mine lent me some of her books on mythology. One is
called "The Language of the Goddess" by Marija Gimbutas (Forward
by Joseph Campbell) and here are some quotes
1/The Chevron and V as Bird Goddess Symbols
"In this chapter we shall deal with the symbols
associated with the primary aspect of this goddess. In these
life creating and protecting functions, her animal forms are ram,
deer, bear and snake." (pg 3)
"As mistress of animals and of all nature, she was
worshipped in the open, on mountain peaks. The Life-giver also
appeared in a zoomorphic form, as a deer and as a bear." (pg 111)
"The deer, sacred animal of the birth-giving
goddess: The transformation of the birth-giving goddess into a
doe is attested to by historical sources and folk memories.
According to Pausanais, the stature of Artemis in the temple of
Despoina at Arcadia was clothed in deerskin. Artemis and her
companion Taygete assumed the form of a deer. She is Elaphaia,
"She of the Red deer," and Elaphebolia, "She who strikes or hits
the red deer," who at an Attic festival of this name receives a
deer sacrifice and honeycakes in the shape of a deer. The
Sumerian Goddess of childbirth was also a stag." (pg 113)
"The image of a Deer Goddess is preserved in
Scottish and Irish tales. The belief in mortal women who can
change into deer and who appear in groups is perhaps a folk
memory of deer priestesses. There may have been a ritual in
which the priestesses donned and doffed her vestments, a deer
hide with antlers (McKay 1932: 144-74)." (pg 113)
"Stag dances were performed around the New Year in
England, Romania and Germany by men dressed as women, suggesting
a dance in worship of a female deity. A Minoan seal from Zakros
on Crete portrays a probable stag dancer with a huge antler for a
head, upraised arms and large breasts. Dancers with stag or deer
masks are found in Greek art. (Lawler 1964: 69) (pg 115)
Male Gods and Daimones
"17.1 Master of Animals: animal masked and robed men
"The most interesting and well known in archeological literature
are two bison men and the so called 'sorcerer' with the stag
antlers from the cave of Les Trois Freres (Ariege) France."
"The three male figures from Les Trois Freres and
others from Teyjat and Le Gabillou are shown moving, probably
dancing." (page 175)
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A Little Mythological Deer History
(Greek) The deer was sacred to the goddesses Artemis, Aphrodite,
Athene, and Diana, and to the god Apollo.
(Hindu) The Vedic god of the wind rides a deer.
(Celtic) In some tales, the deer takes the souls of the dead to
the otherworld. The goddess, Flidass, has her chariot drawn by
deer.
(Amerindian) A totem animal of several tribes.
(Aztec) Mixcoatl, the god of hunting, is accompanied by a
two-headed deer.
(Eskimo) Noesarnak - deer spirit
(Jainism) Neminatha
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A few of the Deer Gods/Goddesses
CERUNNOS
In a picture from Celtic Mysteries, The Ancient Religion by John
Sharkey, we see the depiction of Cernunnos as the Horned One.
"This stag god is one of the few early animal spirits for whom we
have a name, known from a unique inscription: Cernunnos, the
Horned One or the Lord of All the Stags (28). In Gallo-Roman art
he became associated with Pan; note the rat which indicates his
chthonic power (26). The bag of coins in his lap expresses his
perennial function as a provider; he remained a god of prosperity
and good fortune, as he had been for the early hunters." (pg 85)
NOTE: What makes this even more interesting is the fact that
according to the Chinese calendar, I was born in the Year of the
Rat.
He is most notably known for being on the Gundestrup Cauldron.
He is typically portrayed as a human figure with the antlers of a
deer, seated in a Buddha-like posture and accompanied by deer
and other wild creatures. He is flanked by Apollo and Mercury
and on his lap holds a cornucopia with coins pouring out of it.
He is a Celtic god of fertility, wealth and the underworld.
(from search done on the internet)
"What archaeology (does) provide is a list of 374
god-names of which 305 have been found only once, while of the
remaining 69 the number occurring from 20 to 30 times is fewer
than 10. Caesar lists 6 gods: Mercury, Apollo, Mars, Jupiter,
Minerva as well as Dispater. Despite his use of Roman names,
several lists of equivalents have been assembled. The most
commonly agreed one gives Lugh for Mercury, Belinus/Beli for
Apollo, Taranis for Mars , Teutatis for Jupiter, Brigid for
Minerva and Cernunnos for Dispater......." (Celtic Mythology by
Ward Rutherford - pg 82)
"Professor Ross believes the horned-god Cernunnos to
be the character designated as Conall Cernach in several of the
Irish epics. In evidence she offers not only the horn-element,
Cern, in both names, but the fact that in 'Tain Bo Froech' Conall
Cernach overcomes a snake. This is precisely what the Cernunnos
of the Gundestrup Cauldron appears to be doing. He is also
recognizable as the 'black giant' in "Owein', where he is
described as being surrounded by the animals of the forest whom
he rules as lord. Once again the Gundestrup panel provides
evidence, for it shows Cernunnos among animals He is described
as 'keeper of the forest' and demonstrates his lordship by
striking a stag with his cudgel. The roar of pain it emits,
serves to summon all the other animals until, so the teller of
the story says, there was hardly room for him to stand. At an
order from the giant, they bow their heads and worship as
'obedient men do their lord.'" (Celtic Mythology by Ward
Rutherford - pg 82, 104 & 105)
The following are a few more extracts from "Celtic
Mysteries" by John Sharkey...
(pg 84-85)
"The Stag God is one of the few Animal Spirits for
whom we have a name,known from a unique inscription : Cernunnos,
the Horned One or the Lord of all the Stags."
Also, a very good relief of Cernunnos, believed to be
of the 2nd century AD and exhibited in the Museum of Reims in
Marne, France... this time shows the Lord of all the
Stags,...(who, the book says, is often associated with the
Greco-Roman PAN who is part of the cortege of Dionysis, on his
chariot pulled by Centaurs - although I would be careful with
this one because Pan is usually represented as a ram)... sitting
on his throne supported by Deer, having on his lap a bag of coins
which expresses his perennial function as a provider and as a God
of prosperity and good fortune.
Very interestingly, Cernunnos, in this last mentioned
relief, is flanked by both Apollo and Hermes who are two of the
Riders of the Chariot of the Sun God or Pegasus. So, this is
again a link between my Revelation Dream and my Deer Social
dream.
JUROJIN
The Japanese Shinto god of longevity and a happy old age. He is
one of the Shichi Fukujin, the seven gods of luck. Jurojin is
accompanied by a crane and a tortoise. He is painted riding a
white stag, smiling like a friendly old gentleman.
DIANA
The Roman goddess of nature, fertility and childbirth. She is
closely identified with the Greek goddess Artemis. Diana is also
a moon-goddess and was originally worshipped on the mountain
Tifata near Capua and in sacred forests (such as Aricia in
Latium). Her priest lived in Aricia and if a man was able to kill
him with a bough broken from a tree in this forest, he would
become priest himself 1. Also torch-bearing processions were held
in her honor here. Later she was given a temple in the
working-class area on the Aventine Hill where she was mainly
worshipped by the lower class (plebeians) and the slaves, of whom
she was the patroness. Slaves could also ask for asylum in her
temple. Her festival coincided with the idus (13th) of August.
Diana was originally a goddess of fertility and, just as Bona
Dea, she was worshipped mainly by women as the giver of fertility
and easy births. Under Greek influence she was equated with
Artemis and assumed many of her aspects. Her name is possibly
derived from 'diviana' ("the shining one"). She is portrayed as a
huntress accompanied by a deer. Diana was also the goddess of the
Latin commonwealth.
ARTEMIS (by Ryan Tuccinardi)
Artemis is the twin sister of Apollo and the daughter of Leto and
Zeus. Artemis is the goddess of virgins and the hunt and night,
and she guarded women during childbirth. She turned the legendary
huntsman Actaeon into a stag and had him torn to pieces by his
own hounds.
Cynthia is an epithet of Artemis, referring to her and Apollo's
place of birth on Mount Cynthus on the island of Delos. She is
also associated with the moon. Her attributes are the bow and
arrow, while dogs, deer and goose are her sacred animals. Her
most elaborate temple was in Ephesis.
Isis (Aset, Eset)
ISIS
One of the most popular goddesses in Egypt. Isis belongs to the
Ennead of Heliopolis, and according to the Heliopolitan genealogy
is a daughter of Geb and Nut, sister and wife of Osiris. Possibly
she was originally the personification of the throne (her name is
written with the hieroglyph for throne), and as such she was an
important source of the pharaoh's power. In the Hellenistic time
Isis was the protectress of sailors.
In the Osiris myths she searched for her husband's body, who was
killed by her brother Seth. She retrieved and reassembled the
body, and in this connection she took on the role of a goddess of
the dead and of the funeral rights. Isis impregnated herself from
the Osiris' body and gave birth to Horus in the swamps of Khemnis
in the Nile Delta. Here she raised her son in secret and kept him
far away from Seth. Horus later defeated Seth and became the
first ruler of a united Egypt. Isis, as mother of Horus, was by
extension regarded as the mother and protectress of the
pharaoh's. She was worshipped as the divine mother-goddess,
faithful consort of Osiris, and dedicated mother of Horus.
Isis was depicted as a woman with the solar disk between the cow
horns on her head (an analogy with the goddess Hathor) or crowned
with a thrown, but also with the child Horus sitting on her lap.
A vulture was sometimes seen incorporated in her crown. Also she
was sometimes depicted as a kite above the mummified body of
Osiris. Isis' popularity lasted far into the Roman era. She had
her own priests and many temples were erected in her honor. On
the island of Philae in the Nile delta her largest temple was
situated (it was transferred to the island Agilkia in 1975-1980).
NOTE: I read somewhere that she was transformed in the shape of
a deer and roamed about for a year and a half in that form,
looking for Osiris (but I can't locate the reference at the
moment. Also, there is a good representation in the second
shrine of Tutankh-Amon (1375 BC) in a relief incised into gold
foil in thin layers of gesso called "Gods of the Underworld"
where we can see a Deer headed God. You can see this
representation in the "New Encyclopedia of Mythology" by Larousse
on p.32)
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On Buddhism......
"Godly Bliss. The bliss of the gods is depicted by an assembly
of be-jeweled gods and goddesses basking in sensuous enjoyment in
splendid palaces in the midst of a charming garden enameled with
flowers, of which they make their wreaths. Gay birds warble in
the foliage, and noble animals peacefully roam together there.
Amongst the quadrupeds are deer, lions, elephants....with jeweled
heads. Amongst the birds are the peacock, parrot, cuckoo, and the
"Kala-pinka", which repeats the mystic "Om mani padme, Hum!" for
the language of the gods is the Deva-nagari or sacred language of
India. One of the blissful conditions of godly life especially
dwelt upon, is that the most dainty morsels may be eaten without
sense of repletion, the last morsel being as much relished as the
first."
(Tibetan Buddhism by Waddell p.87-88)
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SIR BERNLAK/THE GREEN KNIGHT
From the story of "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight"
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight make a bet about a fight.
Sir Gawain cuts off the Green Knight's head, which the Green
Knight catches and rides off with, after making a request of Sir
Gawain that they meet a year from now at the chapel of the Green
Knight, so that the Green Knight may take Sir Gawain's head in
return.
A year passes and Sir Gawain sets out on his task. Arriving
early he stops and rests a few days at a castle. Several days
later, thinking he'd better leave and be on his way, he asks his
host if he knows where the chapel of the Green Knight is located.
His host tells him it's only a few hours ride from here and that
he should continue to stay at the castle.
His host tells him that he has to leave on a hunting trip
the next day, but that his wife will entertain him while he's
gone.
The following morning, the host's wife goes to Sir Gawain's
bedchamber and asks for a kiss. Sir Gawain tells her that a
knight asks for nothing, should it displease the lady. She again
asks him for a kiss. Sir Gawain responds, "But if you wish, I
shall ask you for a kiss." She leans forward and kisses him
sweetly and leaves.
That evening the host returns from hunting and presents the
spoils of the chase to Sir Gawain - a splendid red deer.
The host said, "You must now give me whatever you have won
here today."
All Sir Gawain could think of that he had won, was the kiss
from the host's wife. He then went over and kissed his host on
the mouth.
The host laughed. "I shall not ask who you got that from."
The following morning the host was off hunting again.
The hostess and Sir Gawain flirted and talked of love. She
then kissed him twice and left.
That evening the host returned and presented Sir Gawain with
a boar and asked him for whatever it was he had won that day.
Sir Gawain went over and kissed him twice.
The host is also the Green Knight, the Lord of the castle.
On the third morning, the host was gone yet again. His wife
entered Sir Gawain's bedchambers and offered herself to him.
Being a knight, he could not accept. She then offered him a
green girdle and told him it would bring him luck when he was in
battle. She then kissed him three times and left.
That evening the host returned and presented his spoils once
more to Sir Gawain. Sir Gawain, kept the truth about the green
girdle a secret, but kissed the host three times.
The host asked who had kissed him thrice. "It was your
wife," he replied.
The following day, Sir Gawain reluctantly rode off with his
ax in search of the chapel of the Green Knight, ready to seal his
fate.
The Green Knight showed up. He took one swing at Sir
Gawain's neck, missing him. Then he took a second, missing
again. The third time, he drew blood. Sir Gawain was shocked to
find himself still alive. The Green Knight explained who he was
and why he let him live (though Sir Gawain said he was unworthy
to be a knight of the Round Table). The Green Knight was
impressed with his honesty and honor in protecting the secret of
the green girdle. It was a test he had given his wife to give to
Sir Gawain. The only reason he had cut Sir Gawain, was because
he didn't divulge the whole truth (about receiving the girdle).
"The Green Knight can also be taken as
another
appearance of Cernunnos, the color of his costume associating him
with his forest habitat. If, as seems probable, this story and
the incident in 'Bricriu's Feast' are related, then it would
suggest that (the Druid Uath mac) IMOMAN, too, is Cernunnos.
(Celtic Mythology by Ward Rutherford - pgs 84 & 112)
LU-HSING
On page 386 in the Chinese Mythology section, Lu-hsing is
mounted on a Deer Spirit and remembered as the God of Salaries...
which is similar to the Celtic God with the bag of Coins
(Cernunnos). There is a beautiful representation of Lu-hsing in
the Guimet Museum in Paris. (New Encyclopedia of Mythology" by
Larousse on p.32)
SARRADDHEVI - Autumn Goddess of the 4 Seasons
#1 "The Iconography of Tibetan Lamaism" by Antoinette K.
Gordon, 1914 and #2 "Iconography of the Hindus, Buddhists and
Jains" by Dr. Ramesh S. Gupte (1972) who was the Head of the
Department of Ancient Indian Culture of the Marathwada University
in Aurangabad in India.
From these 2 books, I have found a few interesting things...
One of the Four Goddesses of the Seasons (something cyclic)
by the name of Saraddevi is represented in bronze figurines and
paintings in both India and Tibet... riding a Deer. She is
classified as a Lesser Deity who is invoked for the granting of
superhuman powers or Siddhi and accompanies Sridevi... the
Glorious Goddess. Saraddevi is shown or mentioned in both Books.
(#1 pg 82. illustrated on plate between p.80 &81) & (#2 pg 148)
#1 "The Iconography of Tibetan Lamaism" by Antoinette K.
Gordon, 1914 #2 "Iconography of the Hindus, Buddhists and
Jains" by Dr. Ramesh S.
Gupte (1972).
There is also mention of VAYU...
whose vehicle is a Stag... and is said to be an Ashta-Dikpala...
or Guardian of the Quarters. The same male Hindu deity is also
worshipped by the Jains as a Jain Dipkala
#2 "Iconography of the Hindus, Buddhists and Jains" by Dr.
Ramesh S. Gupte (1972) (pg 105 & 185)
There is also KUSUMA or PUSHPA YAKSHA,
another male Jainist deity, represented with his sacred Deer with
Antlers
#2 "Iconography of the Hindus, Buddhists and Jains" by Dr.
Ramesh S. Gupte (1972) (pg 171)
And then there are 2 of the Jains' 24 Tirthankaras, which are
associated to some (listen to the term) "Cognizance Animal" ...
which are represented with a Deer...
#11- SREYAMSUNMATHA...
who Cognizance is a Rhinoceros or Deer #2 "Iconography of
the Hindus, Buddhists and Jains" by Dr. Ramesh S.
Gupte (1972) (pg 177)
#16- SANTINATHA..... Deer or Tortoise
#2 "Iconography of the Hindus, Buddhists and Jains" by Dr.
Ramesh S. Gupte (1972) (pg 178)
"Even from so brief and simplified a description it is
obvious that the shamanistic thread runs through the mythologies
of all the Indo-European peoples. Among other Hindu gods who
play the part, SHIVA-PRASUPATI is recognizable as a 'Lord of the
Animals.'"(Celtic Mythology by Ward Rutherford - pg 104)
And amongst them is one known as KALI...which is not the
Kali of the Hindus, but one represented either sitting on a Lotus
(symbol of spiritual birth)...
or riding her animal vehicle, which is a Deer.
#2 "Iconography of the Hindus, Buddhists and Jains" by Dr.
Ramesh S.
Gupte (1972) (pg 183)
SABA (Tibetan Lord of the Stags) The Masks: 9. The Stag
(Sa-ba). Fawn-colored. (Tibetan Buddhism by Waddell - pg 537)
PAN
Not too much on him, but he is usually always associated with
Cernunnos.
KHEMA
Some 2,500 years ago in India, a woman by the name of
Khema, who was the consort of a wealthy Merchant... living in the
Ganges valley somewhere, had the following dream....as stated in
this story entitled "Buru-Jataka" which is story #482 of the
Jataka, or the Stories of the Buddha's previous lives...Vol.VI,
Book XIII, p.161 to 165. Here are a few extracts:
"On the day, when the Bodhisattva reached Benares, the
Queen Consort whose name was KHEMA, saw at morning in a dream how
a Deer of golden color preached the Law to her...." (in
Buddhism, when they speak about the Law...they always refer to
the Law of Rebirth.)
"...and she thought, "If there is no such creature as
this, I should I not seen Him in my dream. Surely, there must be
such a one; I will announce it to the King."
Then she went to the king, and said, "Great King! I am
anxious to hear the discourse of a golden deer. If I may, I shall
live, but if not there is no living for me." The king comforted
her saying, "If such a creature exits in the world of men, you
shall have it."
Anyway, the story is rather long... but the King offered a
big reward, 1000 pieces of money in a casket of gold, for anyone
who could bring back the Deer.
But no one found the Deer of her dream... but then the
Buddha came in, apparently to interpret the dream and said...
"Within yon clump of flowering sal and mango, where the
ground is all red as cochineal, this Deer is to be found."
NOTE: cochineal is a berry color or scarlet, much like the
square chromatic shades of pink in my 'Deer Social' dream which
the deer danced before.
The rest of the story is distorted... but yet we know that
Khema had a dream like mine. A Deer who speaks and teaches the
Law of Rebirth... and actually the story says that it came from a
herd...and that it was a Royal Deer.
So, this explains why some 1250 years later, in Tibet, the
person who wore the Mask of the Precious Deer "Saba"...
Saraddevi, was known as the reincarnation of Khema...and possibly
many others.
TAYGETE
However, in regards to Taygete, apparently she
was being chased by Zeus...who wanted to make love to her, and
she would have been saved from this "sacrifice"... by Artemis who
would have transformed her into a Deer.
Following this, Taygete would have consecrated to
the
Goddess Artemis, a Deer with gold Antlers...which reappears in
the stories of Hercules. Apparently, Taygete would have made
love to Zeus and bore a son by the name of Lacedaemon.
About Hercules and the Deer! The story begins
when his older born cousin, Eurysthea (Eurysthe in French)...who
was the one who gave him all the hard jobs to do... gave him the
mission to bring back alive the Deer with the Gold Antlers and
Hooves of Airain who lived on Mount Crynie (sounds like Siren).
Hercules followed the Deer of Artemis during a whole year and
finally got to it on the side of the Ladon, a river with
cleansing power, where Demeter had purified herself before she
was admitted to the Olympus, and caught it alive. Unfortunately,
I do not have the story.... but it sounds like a story of
reincarnation of the Deer Spirit of Artemis. So, Taygete was the
reincarnation of Artemis.
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Welcome once again to Divine Messages. In this Happy Easter
special issue we will be dealing with many aspects of this yearly
"Resurrection" celebration.
Actually, this month's article is a real Easter Basket ladden
with a mixture of bitter and sweet goodies. Inside this Basket,
we will find besides the traditional Easter Egg, some Totems, a
few Hags, a Hagman, a couple Dead Spiders, a few Pounds of
Crawfish, a Tree-of-Life, a few Friendly Ghosts, some Animal
Spirits, including Doves and Winged-Horses, as well as a few
pictures of an Ageless Divine Bunny and a few cases of
Resurrection Elixir-Vitae Holy Water, and more... plenty for a
real spiritual feast which shall transport the reader through
Time and Space, from Hell to Heaven and from Death to Life.
First of all the Easter Egg...
"In the beginning this world was nonbeing. This nonbeing became
being. It developed. It turned into an Egg. It lay there for a
year. It burst asunder. One part of the eggshell was of Silver,
the other part was Gold. The Silver part is the Earth, the
Golden part is the Sky(Heaven)... What was born of it, is Yonder
Sun.
When it was born there were shouts and hurrahs, all beings and
all desires rose up to greet It. Therefore at its Rising and at
its every Return, there are (always) shouts and hurrahs, all
beings rise up to greet It.
The Yonder Sun is Brahma - this is the Teaching."
(Extract from "Chhandogya Upanishad" 3, 19. 1-3, and exposed in
"Origins and History of Consciousness" by E.Neumann, p.107, and
the same story of the original Egg of the Universe can be read in
the Mahabarata,I,I,32.)
Now, Brahma, the Sun-God was another famous Indian incarnation of
the Primordial Soul of the Universe.
OK! This was for our entry into this fairly long article, which
like the Egg Shell is basically made of two parts, one of Silver
and one of Gold. The first part, the Silver mainly deals with
many aspects of the earthly condition, as well as Death, Hags and
Hell... while the second part, the Gold part deals with the more
uplifting aspects of the Heavenly condition. Therefore, the
people who have bad dreams should read everything... while the
others who generally have good dreams and believe in God can fly
directly to the Tree-of-Life Section which is seperated a triple
line of 3333333s.
Please unbuckle your seat belts and take a good walk around,
I'm your Space Captain Apollo and here we go...
To begin we will read a dream of the Core which confirms what
was
exposed last month...in regards to ghostly health...
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Dream Title dying
Date of Dream 3-30-98
Dream For the last week I have had the same
dream about dying. I seems that I have a certain number of things
that have to be just right and then I am in line to die. I keep
getting close and then I wake up. Last night I completed all of
the steps and was prepared to die and just could not and wait for
the end. I felt like i was awake trough all of the dream and
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Yes, you definitely need to learn how to die properly....
"Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most profitable, and
passing all other sciences, for to learn to die. .... I shall
give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine ; the which shall profit
thee greatly to the beginning of Ghostly Health, and to a stable
fundament of all virtues." (Orologium Sapientiae- from "The Book
of the Craft of Dying" ... Comper's Edition)
Really, you have to realise that this life continues on the other
side. Unfortunately, at the present moment not too many know
about this... but, this ultra-important science was well known in
the past.
"Against his will he dieth that hath not learned to die.
Learn to die and thou shalt learn to live (eternally), for there
shall none learn to live that hath not learned to die." ("Toure
of all Toures : and Teacheth a Man for to Die." ...again from the
Comper's Edition of "The Book of the Craft of Dying")
" Whatever is here, that is there (is also there); what is
there, the same is here. He who seeth as different, meeteth death
after death. By mind alone this is to be realized, and then there
is no difference here."
(Katha Upanishad, IV.10-11 ...Swami Sharvananda's Translation.)
"Death, that must come, cometh nobly when we give our
wealth, and life, and all, to make men live." ( The Book of Good
Counsels, from the Hitopadesha,(Sir Edwind Arnold's
Translation.))
"Combine, in a single whole, the goal of aspiration, the
meditation, and the practice, and so attain Understanding by
Experimentation. Regard, as one, this life, the next life, and
the life between, in the Bardo (Dream Realm), and accustom
thyself to them thus, as one."
(Words of the Tibetan Guru Milarepa...as exposed in the
final
lines of the of the preface of the Tibetan Book of the Dead.)
Oh! I understand that this may be hard to digest by selfish
capitalists who live in a world in which the whole value of an
individual is stritcly rated proportionally to its bank account
and other earthly possessions, which unfortunately are not
admitted into the spiritual world!
I already interpreted a few dreams here at ED which suggested
this course of earthly action...but, let me try to illustrate
once again...
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Dream Title The Masoleum March
Date of Dream 8-7-98
Dream This is a dream I had a few weeks ago
maybe
someone can help me with this. In my dream, I lived with my
adoptive grandparents. (I didn't know this in my dream, but this
is the conclusion that I came to after I woke up.) My
Grandfather had died and it was his funeral. We (the family)
walked into this huge mosoleum, complete with red carpet and
white marble walls. I followed the procession into a room deep
within the mosoleum and walked into the crypt where my
grandfather would be laid to rest finally. But the odd thing
about this crypt is that it was set up as if it were his room
back at home. There were dressers, with pictures and on the bed
lay my grandfather covered by an old patchwork quilt. My
grandmother was all set to start turning the crank that would let
the coffin top down on top of my grandfather body when he started
to twich and got up and called my name. He then took me to the
side and spoke something to me. I can't totally remember what
the exact words were, but I know the purpose was to keep my
grandmother on this earth so she!
!
could keep adopting children. (something about cheating the
devil so he couldn't get her soul.) I then walked out and went
into an auditorium that was connected to the masoleum. in the
auditorium were tons of children marching in little groups, as if
there was some sort of pagent and all the groups were parading
for the audience. I noticed that the children when they marched
out they always turned left, bowed to the north and then
proceeded to bow to the east. I then left and went into the
Mosoleum kitchen where I saw a scroll that had pictures instead
of words(almost as if they were hieroglyphics) on the scroll at
the top there was a dead spider, which I took to be my
grandfather. There were a few other lines and shapes and then at
the bottom I noticed that there was another spider that was dead
also, it was then I realized that my grandmother had died also.
Apparently when I left here alone to lower the top of the coffin
on my grandfather, she had died of a broken heart. This is all
I remember of this particular dream. but the concept of death and
namely cemeteries pervade my dreams. could someone out there give
me some clue?
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Yes, I will more than happy to give you some clues...
We don't die after death... we are merely transformed into
immortal ghostly beings...just like the Old Man there in his
coffin... who was in his ghost body just like you in this
dream... because you are well aware that it wasn't your physical
body which was sound asleep in your bed while your other
spiritual one was in the Mausoleum.
What the Old Man tried to tell you, was that if you wish to
beat the Devil or more precisely the Lord of Death, or Hades if
you prefer, is simply to adopt new children forms.
" I held that when a person dies
His soul returns again to earth;
Arrayed in some new flesh-disguise,
Another mother gives him birth.
With sturdier limbs and brighter brain
The old soul takes the road again."
( John Masefied, A Creed )
This is very well known in Tibetan Lamaism, even up to this
day, and it is also known that the children of the new generation
can, at times, recognise their earlier life's precious
possessions. For example, in my search for them little dogs,
which I was told to go and get in the dream of the Winged-Horse,
I met with Lama General Yeshe, in Feb.84, and during an
interview, I asked him this question, about his little Holy
Dogs....
G.D.: "In Tibet, who was breeding Apsos?"
L.G.Y.: "In Tibet, normally, these Apsos were bred by
High Lamas and Noblemen, only. So, the common Tibetan
people do not have this type of Apso. We never sold dogs,
we only used them for presentation. We believe that these
Apsos must be very good, because these dogs have maximum
chance of taking into human life. When a human dies,
before he humanly rebirths, he may enter the life of
these Apsos. Not only Lamas, common people also, depending
on their previous life can reincarnate in these Apsos."
To be frank, I was stunned. To go from animal form into the human
one seemed to perhaps fit the Law of Evolution, but to go from
human to animal was rather difficult to digest and all confused
and totally unaware of these things, I carried on with this
stupid question...
G.D.: "Can Apsos reincarnate in people?"
L.G.Y.: "In Tibet, after a High Lama dies, we look for
his Reincarnation. In my Kham side, there was a Rinpoche
who had an Apso like this. The Rinpoche died and his Apso
died also, not too long after. From the children of the new
generation, High Lamas found two boys who could recognize
all the personnal effects of the previous Rinpoche. It
was soon discovered that, while one of the boys was the
Reincarnation of the Rinpoche, the other boy was the
Reincarnation of the Rinpoche's Apso. "
(The Lama can be seen with me at...
http://icrdl.net/~basques/apso.htm ...or at
http://www.icrdl.net/gdaoust/dharma )
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Ouch! this was a little hard for me to believe at first, but
I could surely see that in reincarnationistic countries, they pay
attention to these little things. Who knows about the secret of
the souls which animate animals of other species... after all we
are all the products of the same and unique creation...and what
do we know in regards to metempsychosis? Very little!
Giving Birth
Posted by Sam on April 15, 1998 at 07:44:25:
I am expecting my first child in July of this year. This is my
third and only successful pregnancy to date. Because of the two
earlier miscarriages I have worried throughout this one. I have
also suffered from boughts of depression and anger which I have
attributed to hormones! I am in a wonderful relationship and am
in love like never before. We anxiously await the arrival of our
daughter (we found out!). I think it is worth noting that I have
felt this baby is somewhat special because I haven't had any
problems at all. She's extremely active and continues to develop
at a normal rate. Recently I have had two dreams of giving birth
to a cat! This cat in particular is a family cat that I had when
I was 4 - 18 years old. Last night the dream included my nursing
the cat! I have absolutely no idea what this could mean. Any
ideas?
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Oh! yes I have a little idea. It really appears that some animals
are just as good as some less decent humans. I also, thought
about the burial rituals of the Ancient Egyptians and others who
would get shrouded along with their favourite animals, so that
they would be together in the other world! I guess that this is
all part of the mysterious ever evolving process of evolution.
Anyhow, the main thing to realise is that we reincarnate
constantly until we finally understand for good... and then when
school is finally over... there is no need to come back anymore.
Ok! and the reason why the children bowed to the North, is
simply because the Spirit of the Lord rests in the North...as
stated in Zechariah 6.8... which relates to the Horse Spirit of
the Lord... and that his new incarnation will come from the North
(of Occident), as stated in Daniel 11.36 down.
And furhermore, the children also bowed to the East, because
the Sun Rises from the East! This New King, being the last
Avatar, will come to prove his Oriental Doctrine of Avatars,
which stands at the basic foundations of the Messianic Law of
Rebirth.
"Adam...his soul transmigrated into David...and his soul
transmigrated into the Messiah!" (The Talmud)
Now, about the Dead Spiders, well these represent Witches,
who are persons who fool many by telling everyone that God
doesn't exist... and that dreams are only the fruits of our
imagination... instead of divine guiding messages...which is the
cause of this matriarchal society based upon physical attachment
and succession. The Dead Spiders are a very good sign... that
many will see the light which shines beyond their veiling webs.
We will come back to this topic a little later in this expose...
and for now let's visit a few famous places of the other world,
starting very near the bottom and rising up from there. So, down
we go...
Dream Title GHOSTS
Date of Dream 03/25/98
Dream I DREAMED I WAS WATER SKIING AND I
NOTICED THERE
WERE OLD POSTS STICKING OUT OF THE WATER WHERE PIERS HAD BEEN
PREVIOUSLY. I REMEMBER THINKING THEY WERE DANGEROUS.
SUDDENINGLY I WAS NO LONGER SKIING BUT UNDER THE WATER AND
SITTING THERE WITH NO SCUBA EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING. I SAW TWO
BLOODY MEN SITTING THERE TOO AND I ASKED THEM WHAT THEY WERE
DOING. THEY HAD A BUCKET WITH THEM AND I KNEW THEY HAD MURDERED
SOMEONE. I WAS VERY SCARED. THEN AS QUICKLY AS I HAD COME OUT OF
THE BOAT, I WAS BACK IN THE BOAT. SUDDENINGLY ONE OF THE GHOSTLY
MEN LEARED OVER OUT OF THE SKY IN MY FACE AND SAID, "HOW MANY LBS
OF CRAWFISH DO YOU WANT"! I SCREAMED AND WOKE UP.
Comments by Dreamer I DON'T EVEN EAT CRAWFISH!!!!
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Oh! Boy! This is not a very good place to amuse yourself... but
since you are there let me try to explain. If you wish to expand
your research on this particular dream I would recommend that you
get the book "Origins and History of Consciousness" by E.Neumann
from page 141 to 147 or so... where you will read the full
meaning of those old posts.
Actually, those "Old Posts" are Totems, and their phenomena is
of great importance for the development of heaven and the world
of man.(p.144)
The Totem is partly a Spiritual Father, and deals with the
second birth, of a new generation through the masculine spirit,
which is usually accompanied by the inoculation of secret
doctrines, ancestral knowledge, and cosmic lore, in order to
sever all ties with the purely familial existence of the
immature. (P.144)
OK! The Totem is an ancestor, in the sense of a Spiritual
Founder, rather than a progenitor. He is a "Numinosum"... which
has "Mana", works magic and is taboo, and must be approached with
considerable ceremony. (p.145) Also, when you see those posts,
tell yourself that this is a sign of an important "personal
revelation" of God... (p.145) and you are quite right to feel
that this is dangerously powerful.
And then you say that you find yourself underneath the water,
and there are two men in there with a bucket... Well! this is an
indication that, in the past, someone "Kicked the Bucket" and was
given a special treatment.
Now, these two men were known in the past as "Hypnos" and
"Thanatos"... "Sleep and Death"...and they are the "Death
Messengers" or the assistants of the Lord of Death. They took
you down there in order to revive some memories. In this life,
they speak english...so perhaps, you can give them new
names...such as Buoy... or "Bob", and "Rick" Ricochet ... and in
any case they are the fishermen of the Styx... a cool infernal
region located between Hells Gate and the real Infernos.
In any case, them two good guys are not murderers, they are the
warders of Hell...and the following are a few extracts from
"Buddhism and Lamaism of Tibet" p.89 to 93.
"Not in the Heavens, not in the midst of the Sea, not if thou
hidest thyself in the clefts of the Mountains wilt thou find a
place where thou canst escape the force resulting from thy evil
actions." (Dharma-pada, 127)... says the Lord of Death, the Judge
who holds the Mirror which reveals the soul in all its nakedness.
"Through the states of transmigration does the power of our
actions lead us. A life in Heaven awaits the Good."... and the
warders of Hell drag the wicked in front of Hades who says...
"Did you not when on Earth see some of the Divine Messengers, you
know Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Elijah...Marduk and etcetera... who
were sent to warn you?" And the Wicked answers "Yes, I did see
them."
"Did you not when on Earth see, the child, the old man, the sick,
the criminal suffering punishment, and the dead corpse?" And the
Wicked answers "Yes, I did see them."
"And didst thou not think within thyself: "I am also subject to
birth, old age, and death. Let me be careful to do good works."?"
And the Wicked answers "I did not, Sir; I neglected in my folly
to think of these things."
Then the King pronounces his/her doom:
"These thy evil deeds are not the work of thy mother, father,
relatives, friends or advisers. Thou alone hast done them all;
thou alone must gather the fruit."
And the Warders of Hell drag the Wicked to the place of
torment...
and the place that you saw is known as "Sanjiva"="Again Revived"
Here the wretches are cut and torn to pieces and then re-united
and revived only to suffer the same process repeated "ad
infinitum"
throughout the period spent in this hell... which is better known
as the Purgatory... by the Christian Faithful.
The restoration of the body, in order to subject it to fresh
torture, is an essential part of the process in all Hells. The
(immortal spiritual) body when thoroughly mangled is restored and
the torture applied afresh, so that the agony never ceases.
"Because our wounds heal ever and anon,
Ere we appear before the fiend again."
(Dante, Canto xxviii,36)
For your info, this place is visited by fraudulent trustees,
some types of murderers like ignorant physicians who killed their
patients and tyrants of all kinds.
Regardless, Hypnos and Thanatos, are described as Winged Genies,
who can put to sleep Mortals with their magic wand or rip the
guts
out of their victims with their shadowy wings... and by the way,
Hypnos has a son by the name of Morpheus, who is the God of
Dreams!
OK! Finally, you are put back on top of the water, and this
time in the boat... and one of the two comes back from above and
says...
"HOW MANY LBS OF CRAWFISH DO YOU WANT?"
The term "Crawfish" means a few things, and as it may
represent some food...meant for the soul... it is also a verb
which means to pull back... to return on your steps. So, the dual
meaning of this warning is ... "how many proofs of the past do
you want"... and drive your boat towards where you came
from...and judging from your special handwriting I would guess
that you came from the Hill of Spades...
SPADE SHAPED FLOWERS IN A FIELD
This entry submitted by SHALAWN on 4/23/97.
I'VE STUMBLED UPON THIS SIGHT, BUT I HAD A DREAM ABOUT A SPADE
SHAPED FLOWER (UPON A HILL) EVERTHING WAS GREEN AND BRIGHT AND I
WALKED UPON THIS HILL AND THERE WAS ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL FLOWERS
SHAPED LIKE A SPADE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS MEANS AND HOW IT
RELATES TO MY LIFE IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS
COULD YOU PLEASE POST A NOTE, I WAS THINKING THAT IT MEANT THAT
MY LIFE WAS BLOSSOMING INTO WHATEVER IT IS THAT I WANT IT TO BE
AND THE FLOWERS SYMBOLIZE THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR AND THAT IT WILL
SOON MANIFEST INTO MY LIFE. FLOWERS I ALWAYS THOUGHT MEANT THAT
FRUITS OF LABOR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE IN YOUR LIFE.
....this is a fun dream which serves to illustrate the timeless
world into which we travel in our Dreams. We will read a few
Jungian interpretations and then mine... Then tell me which one
fits the best?
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Regarding flowers
This entry submitted by Dottie on 4/23/97.
Hi Shalawn,
Just a note regarding your dream. You know best about the
symbolism in your dream but maybe you could consider this:
Green is the color of healing, the color of life (Are you
studying healing or working on healing for yourself?) Spade
shaped flowers - Spades are used to prepare the earth, to plant,
to weed and to harvest. Flowers can be *the fruits of your
labor*, tests or lessons completed, work that you've already done
or are in the process of doing or can be people that you are
going to help *bloom* in the future
It was interesting that you said that you *stumbled* on this.
Were you searching for an answer to something before you went to
sleep? An important part of any dream is how did you feel during
the dream? What emotions did it bring up? Also, if you don't
understand the meaing of a dream, ask that it be given to you
again in a manner that you will understand. Or just ask that it
be clarified. Good Luck!!!! Peace.
RE: Spade Flowers Dream
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This entry submitted by flyingeagle on 4/27/97.
Right on Dottie! I'd like to add food for thought. Flowers can
also represent sexuality. The question to ask self: In what ways
are my beauty and sexuality blossoming? If the shape of the
spades were like in cards, it represents skill and chance then
the question to ask: What game am I playing? If the spade is like
a shovel shape representing unearthing, or planting as Dottie
mentioned, the question for more clarification is: What am I
digging up? Like Dottie says, if you desire clarification, the
only one who can answer your questions on clarity is you. Ask
yourself and you will receive it.
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And this was my interpretation.....
Dear Dreamers,
a few have attempted to find the meaning of
this puzzling dream and may have the correct interpretation.
Nevertheless, I think that my interpretation might be of interest
to consider and evaluate. I believe, as mentioned earlier that
all dreams are inter-related and this very symbolic dream is
another good example and could represent a time and space
landmark.
As I said earlier, I do not invent things
and my interpretation of dreams is always based upon something
which I have seen or read about. You will find this one
particularly interesting for the fact, that this place that
Shalawn visited in this dream was also visited by other persons
in a far away past!!! The strong evidence of this is the simple
fact that others who visited this place wrote and even drew
paintings about it.
Also, very interesting are the terms used
by Shalawn to describe what was seen being "Spade Shaped Flowers
upon a Hill". Well these flowers are indeed "Spades" and you
could have rightfully called this place " Hill of Spades" or
"Spades' Hill" or any other name of the sort as we also use to
describe earthly places ....as in "Fern Gully"..."Blueberry
Hill"..."Rosemount"..."Gentilly River"...etc.
Actually, from what I gather this place is, according to
Buddhist references, in Heaven, located on the outskirts, called
in french "La Colline de Piques" or in english "Hill of Spades"
or "Hill of Spikes" ...and you may read about this place in the
"Bardo Thodol" in the penultimate paragraph of the last chapter
entitled "Tibetan Book of the Dead: Addenda"....which basically
describes the place as being the Gateway to the Hell-World
through which the condemned souls are compelled to traverse ....
and the painting showing this is called...
"The Tibetan Painting of the Judgement".
As you may notice in the same paragraph, this painting parallels
in a very striking manner to the wall-painting of the Christian
Judgement in Chaldon Church, Surrey, England, dating about A.D.
1200 and discovered in 1870, in which the "Hill of Spades" is
represented by a "Bridge of Spades" or "Bridge of Spikes" whose
pathway leads to the same place. For your kind info, this is also
known in Islamism as the "Razor Bridge" which serves the same
purpose.
So, this is the simple reason why I say that this 6th dream is
related to the others which I tried to interpret so
far....because it relates again to the Advent of the Coming
One...and a good indication that Judgement Day is drawing near.
But, do not be scared about this often misinterpreted word in
regards to this beneficial event which has been forecasted or
prophecised a long long time ago... because this particular
Judgement on earth will be exactly the contrary to what most of
us tend to believe.
Actually, on this long-awaited most important Day, known by the
Muslims as the Day of Reckoning, the Coming One Himself will be
judged....and as "Every Eyes shall see Him" ...every one will
pass Judgement upon Him...and the main purpose of his visit is
simply to get recognised...so that one day his will shall be done
on Earth as it is done in Heaven.
Therefore, my reply to Shalawn is....
"Dear Shalawn,
thank you for taking the time to share
with us this extremely revealing true dream. I certainly hope
that you are only a lost visitor into this remote place in
Heaven... and hope that you will not consider the flowers of this
vision as the fruit of your labour. If, I were you I would turn
around and go down from there before the Sun goes down. If, you
think that you lost your way... stay there and do not go any
further, and do not touch these poisonous flowers, in your
dreams, ...and respond to this message, for directives, if
needed, because I believe that you mustgo to the divine
wish-granting tree from there. And again thank you for giving us
the right time and Good Luck."
" He who does not believe in the true dream, does not believe in
Allah nor in the Day of Reckoning." ....words of Mohammed.
This, is one of the reasons why I like Tibet, because by the
accuracy of this painting of the Judgement we can clearly
see....that the last Knowledge-Holders of the Ageless Wisdom did
reside in Tibet, as many of us strongly suspect. Who knows, may
be it is Shalawn who painted this "Tanka", in a previous life?
So, this is what I told her, in a posting, dated 4/30/97,
which I posted in a site operated by Witches... mainly. Anyways,
you can see that I directed this person to either stay there or
to look for the Tree-of-Life... because this is where we are all
heading... because real good white magic happens around this
Tree, which is an attribute of God as mentioned earlier...from
"Buddhism and Lamaïsm of Tibet, pages 86, 87 & 88...in this
regard.
"Godly Birth. The God is born at once "fully
developed" within a halo of glory from a lotus flower.- the
oriental symbol of immaterial birth and is provided with the
special attributes of a God, viz, (1) a lotus-footstool,
(2) splendid dress and ornaments, (3) goddess-companions
(Apsaras, celestial nymphs- the "houris" awarded to heroes.),
**** (4) a wish-granting Tree, which instantly yields any fruit
or food wished for, and bends to the hand of the gatherer,its
leaves yielding luscious food, its juice nectar, and its fruit
jewels,
(5) a wish-granting cow which yields any drink wished for,
(6) self-sprung crops (usually painted as Indian corn or maize),
***** (7) in a golden stall... a jewelled Horse-of-foreknowledge
which Pegasus-like carries his rider wherever wished,
through-out the worlds of the past, present, and future,
(8) a lake of perfumed nectar or ambrosia (Skt., Amrita) which is
the elixir vitae and the source of the divine lustre.The
cup-bearer is Dhanwantari, the Indian Ganymede. Shining is a
peculiarly divine attribute, and the etymology of the word
"divinity", is the root Div, "to shine", the parent of the Skt.
Deva and latin Deus."....
OK? So far...from the Hill of Spades we have to find our way
to the Wish-Granting Tree... bear this in mind. From the River,
passing the Hill of Spades we must keep the same bearing to reach
the wish granting Tree ... we must go through a forest of spears
and spikes and through this vast quagmire totally infested with
Spiders... and then we will reach the Tree.
You may wonder, at this point if I know what I am talking
about, but just take a look at this passage taken again from
"Buddhism and Lamaism of Tibet", p.96.
" Then succeeds a great river of freezing water; on the further
shore of which the ground is thickly set with short squat
tree-trunks, each surmounted by three spiked leaves which impale
the unwary groping fugitives. Reference to these last two
localities occurs in the ordinary litany for the dead, which says
" may his chu-wo-rab-med ocean become a small rivulet, and the
tsal-ma-ri tree a divine wish-granting Tree."
So, you see, realising that you who don't know much about this
vast spiritual world you should give me the benefit of the doubt.
Now, there are two ways, from here to the Sacred Tree, the first
is to walk through this quagmire or secondly, fly over it by
your own wings or ask me to fly you over on my Winged-Horse.
However, before anyone leaves... I have to explain to you
something fundamental. When the GI Joe... the Sun-God... the
light shedder appears, he is always surrounded by two
Mother-Sister-Daughters ...the Terrible Profane One and the
Examplary Holy One...and very often the two are confused by
anyone researching in this vast field.
However again, this dissociation of the two Mothers...is
apparent in some books, like "Origins and History of
Consciousness" by Neumann, in both pages 66 and 133-134.
"The good Egyptian Isis, the "examplary" of Horus stands side
by side with the Terrible Mother, who in Byblos slays her
children." (p.66)
" Beside the Dark and Terrible Mother there stands another
Bright and Beneficient. And just as the fearful dragon aspect of
the Terrible Mother, the Old Woman of the West, is, an
archetypal image of humanity, eternal, so the friendly aspect,
the bountiful, immortally beautiful Virgin Mother of the sun-hero
has its eternal archetype in the "Maid of the East", regardless
of the changeover from matriarchate to patriarchate." (p.135)
But the most interesting thing about them is that they are
seperate living realities. (see p.135)
The Bad one...Goddess of Death is a Spider matriarchal
"flesh minded" Woman who believes that her sexual organs are the
center of the Universe... and she hates God and only wants to
kill the Sun-God at birth. While the second, the Holy One wishes
to give life to the Living Patriarch...
Let me introduce you with the bad one first...the blood
thirsty One...the "Profane Goddess", a bloodthirsty, frenzied
despoiler of mankind... identified with Sekhmet. This is
mentioned on pages 55 and 56... and I know who she is in this
life.
Let me show you...
I have a poser for you Gerald...
This entry submitted by Liz on 5/17/97.
Hello Gerald...my my, you are acquiring quite a harem! This will
be a Herculean effort on your part if you can satisfy so
many...kinda along the lines of the Aegean Stable -n'cest pas?
Just joking ;->(evil grin!!)
Alrighty then...I have a particularly interesting challenge for
you, let us see what you make of this tale...
I was attending All Campus Weekend at NCSU, this was a weekend
held on the quad after final exams in May of 1970 or 1971. I was
not a student there being that I was all of 16 years old at the
time, however, my cousin was attending and had invited myself
and a girlfriend. The weekend consisted on alot of alcohol,
pounds of reefer, 24 hour rock and roll bands, all of this
beginning on Friday afternoon and continuing until late Sunday
evening. In those days everyone drank either something we all
called green goddamn - which was lime koolaid with Everclear (90
proof liquor), or purple jesus which was the same thing mixed
with grape kool aid. I will admit up front that I was fried,
wasted, knee walking, commode hugging drunk. It was Saturday,
early afternoon and I was wondering (staggering) about with my
milk jug full of warm green goddamn hooked thru my finger,
listsening to the music, enjoying the crowd. Envisualize the
scene, their were so-called hippies everywhere...long, tangled
hair (women and men) lost of flowers in hair, couples with babes
in arms (or strollers), blankets and lawn chairs, coolers, dogs -
it was reminiscent of Scarborough Fair or Canterbury Tales. Well,
to get on with it, two beautiful young men were throwing a
frisbee back and forth and an equally gorgeous golden retriever
was leaping after it as it sailed back and forth, trying his best
to snatch it and run. I began to laugh and started to walk
towards the threesome, I wanted to pet that dog. The young men
that was facing me looked at me with alarm in his limpid, deep
brown eyes and began to back away. The closer I came, the more
frightened he appeared, stumbling backwards in his haste to make
his escape. I turned around myself at one point to see is a rabid
dog or axe murderer was creeping up behind me. Surely this
college man could not be afraid of a 16 year old girl in cutoff
shorts, tube top with a shag haircut and granny glasses? Finally,
sheer terror showing in his every move and expression, he turned
and literally ran away from me. That night I had the first of
the three dreams...
I am flying above a desert landscape. For the longest nothing
below me but undulating dunes of yellow gold sand. I can feel the
sun on my back and the wind in my face and I appear to be riding
the thermals in the air currents. From far up in the sky I spy a
village, rather poor looking place, houses made of adobe walls
with river reed roofs, very primitive. Suddenly, I feel as tho I
have been sucked down towards the earth. The next sensation is of
looking out of someone's eyes, feeling the pull of gravity
against my body, the strain of standing upright again. Out of the
corner of my eye I can see long golden hair, somewhat wavy,
falling over my/her shoulders. I am dressed in some sort of linen
robe, not fitted as the later fashion will be, but much more
flowing. I am in the center of the village, outside of one of the
larger buildings. The beginnings of primitive pyramids can be
seen in the distance. The villagers are surrounding me and my
men/eunuchs (bald headed, slightly paunchy men with some sort of
wrapped loincloths around their bodies and no other clothing of
decorations. Except their eyes are heavily kohled. I raise my/her
arms and announce in some gobbledygook language (which I
understand totally) that the sacrifice be brought forth. A young
woman, beautiful in a white gown is brought forward, struggling
as she is held between two of the eunuchs. A young man dashes
from the crowd and attempts to snatch her from the
disciples(?)...end of dream, I awake.
The next evening, and as I recall I asked to sleep in with my
mother because the first dream had so unnerved me, the dream
continues in sequence, just like a soap opera or something. I/she
announce that the boy (whom I now recognize as the young man from
All Campus Weekend, not so much by his features, but from his
eyes - his soul) has profained the sacrifice (she was a virgin
and untouched by male hands, now she is impure) and that he will
be sacrificed in her place. A large chalice/bowl (hammered copper
or gold perhaps, again primitive) is brought to me by one of the
men in the loincloths. The boy is taken ahold of by two of these
persons...I chant some more of the unknown tongue, which I again
understand completely, whirl about and slice open his throat with
these razor sharp fingernails which I notice for the first time I
am equipped with. He sags in the men's arms, I thrust out the
bowl/chalice to catch the blood within...there is a hazy period
and the dream ends with me/her literally bathing in this boys
blood. My hands, lifted up into the sky, possibly in adoration,
are covered in it and it is running in rivulets down both arms. I
know that I have drunk some also because there is a taste of
electric spit and bright copper in my mouth. I glory in the blood
and in this boys death...the second dream ends...I awake.
The third evening I dream again...the first thing I notice is
that all is dark, soft and quiet around me and I seem to be in
some sort of a confined space. There is a small square of light
far, far above me. I feel the tiniest draft of a breeze from
somewhere. I hear a noise, crunching or like concrete blocks
sliding together...the square of light becomes smaller and
smaller...until, with a chunking sound, all the light is gone and
it occurs to me that I have been walled up in one of those
distant pyramids, alive...the air is soon gone and as I begin to
asphyxiate...I wake up, gasping for air...
These same three dreams, in succession, have occurred over and
over again during this lifetime for me. I really haven't been
bothered by them too much in the past 14 or 15 years. I believe
that it is only since I began to work on the inner self that the
dreams let off. I also believe that a large part of the bad karma
which I feel I must overcome in this lifetime stems from this
episode. Some have told me that it occurred 10,000 years ago and
the condition of the village and hair color would bear out that
etimate. I know at one time Egyptians had blonde, brown and black
hair. Red hair, however, was considered unlucky and most were
killed at birth. What do you make of these dreams? This should be
interesting!
Breathlessly awaiting your input...Liz
OK! I did interpret her dream....which was posted in a dream
interpretation forum which should be an awakening place of some
kind...but which should be correctly called Spider's Nest ....and
no offence to Tiger's Nest which is a clean site. Here is a part
of my posting in reply to Sekhmet....
..........................
The Dream of Liz, in which she believes to be in Egypt, some
10,000 years ago, opening throats of men and drinking their
blood....is a priceless dream which has been tormenting her for
27 years.
Liz ...."EXISTED"....some 3,300 years ago in Egypt, give or
take 50 years...during what has been known as the XIX th
Egyptian Dynasty.... and I will identify the Birth....but, one
of you will have to verify... or otherwise she will die, bringing
with her unopened Treasure.
The place was....Memphis, Egypt....
The Time 1350-1250 B.C....
Her Husband's Name was Ptah, Ptah of Memphis...Ptah Sokar
Osiris...
Her Son was Nefertoum...
She was no one else than, as no one else ever did what she
did.....
"SEKHMET"
the Goddess of Love and War.
And she did sacrifice lots of men, who apparently were
revolted against Re, to the Glory of God....so many that she
nearly destroyed the human race. She did drink their blood and
her most famous words as she was doing this were something
like....
"For your life,...addressing herself to the Sun-God...when I
kill men, my heart is in jubilation."
..................................
Actually, when I made this interpretation, I made some
mistakes. I was Ptah of Memphis, the Sun-God, at that time, and
she was Sekhmet, but she was not my physical wife nor the
physical mother of Nefertoum, who was the reincarnation of the
Sun-god, because he was called "The Young Atoum" ...and Atoum was
the original first incarnation of the immortal Sun-God in Ancient
Egypt...so, she was only some form of close spiritual friend.
In order to explain, let me tell you a little story from the
Egyptian Crypt.
In that life, as Ptah, I was getting to be a very old man... and
I recognised in the Sun-Priestess Sekhmet, who was a wonderful
dreamer, her ability to be able to have those dreams which would
indicate to her how to recognise my next incarnation... as
Nefertoum. As such, she was baptised by me as
"Divine-Eye-Udjat-of-the-Goddess-Sekhmet".
The books today, especially in English say that she was "The
Beloved of Ptah"... but in French they call her simply "The Close
Friend of Ptah". I was a very old man getting close to death, who
was called the "Mind of the Universe" and was the God-King of
Egypt just as I had already been for many lives in that great
country.
However, one day, I died, and was buried at one end of the
Fayoum, which eventually, in time, became the largest cemetery in
the World.
During my temporary absence, she, having been given the Regency
of the Empire, began, on her own, her carnage... killing men in
some bloody ritualistic sacrifices. Thousands went that way,
murdered by her in a bloody frenzy... including that boy at the
campus who obviously had the same communal dream as the one she
had, except that he was the victim in that one. So, this is why
he was so afraid of her!
It took a dream intervention from Re, the ghost of the second
incarnation of the Sun-God in Egypt, who appeared in a dream to
Nefertoum, showing his spiritual heritage as the new living
embodiment of the Sun-God to stop the slaughter.
On that day, when the Sun-Priests and Priestesses of Egypt
recognised Nefertoum as the true incarnation of the Sun-God, a
big party was made, and every body got drunk, including
Sekhmet...but not from blood this time...
"To save the last men, Re, used a stratagem where he spilled
7,000 jars of Beer mixed with Grenade Juice. Sekhmet, took this
Red Liquor for human Blood and drank with such avidity that she
got drunk and was therefore in the impossibility to carry on the
slaughter any further. The human race was saved, but to make sure
the Sun-God edicted " that they would brew on the First day of
the year, as many jars of philter that there were Sun-Priestesses
in Egypt"....a tradition which never ceased to exist from then on
at the celebration of Hathor. It was on the 12th of the first
month of winter that was held the traditional massacre of
Men....." (Encyclopedia of Mythology)
And soon afterwards, Sekhmet was judged for her crimes and buried
alive, most likely by my the side of Ptah's Mummy inside the
first Pyramid...just to make sure that he would keep an eye on
her.
Some fifteen years later, I, as Nefertoum, discovered her new
incarnation which was to be known as Bast, but this time her
devouring lion Spirit behaved just like a docile little pussy
cat. Bast is represented as a woman with a Cat head holding a
sistrum surmounted by a Lioness head in her right hand. So,
Sekhmet and Bast were emanations of the same immortal soul...
just as stated in the Tibetan Book of the Dead....and you will
find a few prayers that speak of this Immortal Terrible
Goddess....let me see....Chapter CLXIV... "Salute! Sekhmet, Ra,
Bast, Regent of the Gods, winged To who the bandages "Ans" give
the magical power, You the Goddess crowned of the both diadems
of the North and South...."
"As the chief seat of learning, Memphis majored in the worship of
Ptah, who according to the Egyptians, was "The Mind of the
Universe", who created all the Gods and Men by thinking them into
existence."
Memphis was known as the great Necropolis....and is most famous
by its single Cemetery "the Fayoum" which is 2 miles wide and 60
miles long and said to contain from 40 to 50 millions corpses of
Men, Woman...Pharaohs alike....buried close together along with
their favorite animals, according to the strong Egyptian belief
of the immortality of the soul (of all living
creatures)....guaranteed by the Immortal Sun-God.
Also, there are two Pyramids in Memphis...Abu Roash at the
North end of the Cemetery ...and Lahun at the South-East of the
Fayum....which clearly indicate that Bast who wore the Diadem of
the North and South, was also buried along with Nefertoum at the
other end of the Fayoum!
Unfortunately, Bast was assimilated with Artemis, which is a
big mistake. Also, when we read those books today, which were
written by mortals, they believe that the relationships between
the Gods and Goddesses were physical... but, they were actually
only purely spiritual.
Besides, Sekhmet, was also known in India as Durga, and in many
other places, in many lives. For instance, she was very famous in
Babylonia, as Ishtar, you know the famous "Prostitute of
Babylon"... that is mentioned even in Revelation 17 and 18. Read
that if you wish... to know more about the Mother of all
Prostitutes and of the Abominations of all the Earth.!!! A very
special person indeed.
Anyways, she eventually backstabbed me in that site... which
she also sponsors along with other witches and she is described
as such on page 54 of OHC.
" Two features are especially common and well marked: the
first is the bloody and savage nature of the Great Mother
Goddess, the second is her power as a sorceress and a witch."
You see the author, E. Neumann, confuses the Terrible Mother
again with Great mother Goddess. What a pity to confuse the
Profane with the Holy. However on page 69, of the same book....
" Thus the devourer of the dead is the Terrible Mother of
Death" ....and eventually, "She is "repressed" and crouches
beside the judgement scales like a horror. As Erman says, she was
"not a subject that popular fancy cared to pursue."
So, we won't speak of her anymore...as she ain't worth much.
However, her influence spread and Easter is a good time to go
Witch Hunting. Actually, in some parts of Europe, young boys have
maintained the tradition of Hag Hunting on Easter Day. Actually,
I received a call on Easter from an ex-Czechoslovakian woman who
now lives in San Francisco and the first thing she asked me
was...
" Did you go Hag Hunting today?" and I replied " Yes, of
course, I hunt Witches year round."
Ok! I will run a little material on Hags... because I feel
that it may be a good teaching for those who suffer from the Hag
syndrome... like the person who had the following dream...
--------------- MESSAGE ed-core.v001.n051.1 ---------------
Dream Title childhood dream
Date of Dream 4/4/98 2:39 p.m.
Dream I would like to know if a faceless
figure means anything in a particular dream. I am having
childhood dreams at the age of 33 yrs. old. in this dreams I am
locked in a closet to my bedroom trying to get out and can not.
this faceless person keeps pulling me further away from the
closet door and is muffling my mouth so I may not scream.
I hope that someone may be able to help me......
Comments by Dreamer
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
.......................
Sweetheart, Witches often try to hide in closets... and the
guy behind you, is a ghost of God or one of his acolytes who for
special circumstances has decided to play Hag Man with you. This
is just a warning dream... but if youcan't make up your mind as
to what is the most important part of you... I am not sure about
the type of dreams you will get from now on. So, I will show you
what can happen to a Witch in her dreams...
OK! Most of you don't need this at all, so, you can head right
away for the Tree-of-Life... where we will meet the real Holy
Great Mother Goddess. Just look for a trio line of
3333333333333333s further down this column.
Shalawn stay here with me...and flip a dime... and here we go
Hag Hunting...
..............
Dear Watchers,
This is the situation....open your eyes.... witches are
now hiding in the closets...so beware.... you never know they
might just appear as Fairies.... be on the Look-Out...
Careful....act with the Mirror of Prudence....and we will get one
of these Immortal Witches anytime now.... her Magical Broom will
now run out of Gas....
Prut...prut-prut...shit...!!! She landed....
My dream "Two Spiders"
Posted by Colette Charlet on June 21, 1997 at 08:37:21:
Two Spiders
I am a French speaking Belgian (excuse my bad English).
My dream:
I see a man whith a white medecine cloth. He has in hands two big
spiders. I say: "I dont like these animals". He responds "I dont
eather". Then He throws away the spiders. Once on the flour these
spiders bear on the back something like turtle-backs. At once the
turtle-backs go away an the spiders appear greater like
tarantulas. They don't agress me, but I am afraid and run into
the arms of the men.
End of the dream.
My opinion:
The man of the dream looks like "schindler" the actor of the
movie "schindler's list". I symbolize schindler has a man who had
the feeling he was a good man but realizes later that he has
something else to do in life and decides (with all the risks he
runs) to save hundreds of Jew. He transforms from a bad to a good
way he real talent for manipulating people. I'd like to know
specialy why two (2) spiders, why the turtle-backs and why they
disapierd to let see the two tarantulas.
Best regards,
Colette Charlet
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Pins and Needles
Posted by Tracy on June 29, 1997 at 09:40:26:
I dreamt that I was at a unversity and I was presented with a
plaque on behalf of my boyfriend and I for our writing
achievements. I ended up taking off my shoes and putting on a cap
that said FLASH. Soon everyone was leaving so I left with them.
But I did not go home, instead I went out to the back field. Lots
of kids were dancing, and my friend Carlos was playing on the
drums. My other friends Nicole and Alex decided to sing and we
had a crowd around us. After the performance, Alex hugged me and
told me I'd always be his best friend. Then a lady next to me,
supposedly the mother of a man named David, started to touch my
shoulder. It was late and I wanted to go home. She said she'd
give me a ride. I almost forgot my shoes and the FLASH cap. I
get into the car and she says, "I didn't see you at Eve's..." and
I explained that I wasn't there. Then she starts throwing needles
at me. She is explaining that she has committed some horrendous
crimes, but I am not listening, I am looking at the ck ads on the
highway. Then she turns and inserts the pins into my flesh. I
scream in pain and try to kick her away, but she wraps a cloth
around my legs with the needles attached. I scream and I don't
remember how I got out of it.
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babies, a dead mother and Larry Hagman
Posted by Jennifer on June 28, 1997 at 22:56:43:
I RARELY have nightmares and I've NEVER had "theme" dreams
before, but I just had three dreams, three nights in a row, two
with babies, all about death and dying. The first night, I
dreamed that I had a baby and I thought that I had gone through
the ordeal of giving birth the day before, and even tried to
envoke sympathy from others, but I knew someone else had given
birth to it a WEEK before. Even though I knew the difference, in
my dream I wasn't lying. But, I was still worried that people
would be able to tell it was really a week old and not just a
day old. At first, it was great-- I carried it around in a
basket with handles, took it to a mall and it laughed as I
kissed its face (I never knew if it was a boy or a girl). Then,
the real mother took it back and my own mother decided to go to
her house and get it back. I knew that would be dangerous so I
went after her. The real parent's house was like a crack house--
dirty, messy, full of people. The mother and baby were in her
room where it was very cluttered and the mother had a gun. By the
time I got there, mother and baby were gone and my mom was on
the bedroom floor, face down, dead--shot in the back of the
head. I looked at the person I went there with and told them to
make sure she was dead-- imagining them tapping her foot with
their foot to see if she moved. Of course they didn't want to,
and I certainly didn't want to. Then I woke up.
The very next night, I had another dream that I was baby sitting
three kids-- one belonged to a friend who actually just had a
baby boy, but in my dream, it was a little girl about 3 years
old. The other two were boys, still in diapers, who belonged to
a woman I used to work with. We were in a trailer home and I sat
on the floor watching TV. I got up to get something and while
walking past the couch, I saw both boys laying face-down on the
floor, dead. They looked brown and withered. So I wrapped them
in garbage bags, sealed them with duct tape and hid them in the
closet. I really thought I could "get away with it" and no one
would notice. Then, I took the garbage out, and as I walked
through a parking lot to the dumpsters, I thought of the young
woman who just gave birth to a baby at her prom and how she just
threw it in the garbage. I thought of doing the same thing,
believing that she got caught because she didn't conceal her
baby very well and I would do a better job. But then I noticed
two men in an older green car watching me take out the garbage--
I think they were cops and they knew what I had done so I was
glad the babies weren't in the garbage bag I was taking out.
Later on, the parents came home and my friend said to me, "Did
you really think we wouldn't find out?" Her little girl had
crawled into her bed when I took out the garbage and died also.
My former co-worker started crying immediately and it was at
that point that I felt guilt and cried myself. My friend was
more "dissapointed" in me, and treated me with the concern of a
parent or therapist and explained that I hadn't watered or fed
the babies and that's why they died-- it was like the babies
were plants that wilted from not being watered. I cried a lot,
but both women got pregnant again immediately and forgave me.
My third dream was more elaborate than I can remember, but it
started focusing on a gun with two barrels and a huge round
chamber where the bullets go. I'm in a field, very green, I
think a ranch and there's a big, old white house. It's all very
serene and beautiful. Then, I'm running through the house being
chased by Larry Hagman (looking like he did in his "Dallas" J.R.
days-- cowboy hat and all) who now has the gun. I'm running very
fast, and the house has lots of shortcuts, hallways and things
where he keeps cutting me off, then I finally hide in a closet
that's in a house that I grew up in-- the room used to be my
bother's but when he moved out, my mom made it into a guest room
and kept a lot of plants in there (I didn't really think of that
during my dream- just now while writing about it). In the dream,
I'm worried that no matter where I hide, he'll find me. Then I
wake up.
I'm 26, just got a new, part-time job writing some columns about
Web programming on top of my regular job as a Webmaster (meaning
I'm stressed) and a little worried that I'm not qualified enough
for such public exposure). I only have four plants left of the
25 I started with two years ago (all either over or under
watered) and I recently threw some out in a garbage bag. The
most noticeable symbols in these dreams for me (death and babies
aside) are the colors green and white and the number three.
Also, the babies are never mine.
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Follow Ups:
Pins, Spiders, Hagman and Weird Sisters
Posted by Gérald on June 29, 1997 at 18:39:42:
Dear Tracy, Colette and Jennifer,
I think that your three dreams are inter-related, and relate to
the "Weird Sisters"....... an archetype identified by Erich
Neumann, as stated in his book " The Origins and History of
Consciousness"... on pages...45,87,95.
Colette dreams of
two Tarantulas, who have the tortoise shell,
the symbol of longevity...or immortality....and Tracy dreams of a
Woman, who is supposed to be David's Mother.... who did all kinds
of crimes...and starts throwing needles.... just like a Tarantula
does.... and then she inserts pins in her flesh....and she wraps
a cloth around her legs....just like a Tarantula or any other
Spider does with her victims!!!
And then, we have Jennifer, ....wondering what is happening to
her in her 3 solid nightmarian dreams.... of life and death and
the complex baby situation.... double babies...disappeared
baby....babies or young children in garbage bags....and pursued
by Larry Hagman.... you know what is a Hag? an Old Witch.... is
basically the "Weird Sisters " syndrome.
Let me briefly try to explain,.... The Story begins with the
Ouroboros, the Snake who eats its tail....well if you have some
old representations you will see that there is a Spider's web
inside the Ouroboros....and as one goes through the cycle of life
and death...one gets tangled automatically as She or He or It
tries to go from darkness to light. Everyone knows that spiders
like to weave their webs on the inside of windows.... where they
catch those who try to reach the light.
" For the dawning light of consciousness, the maternal Ouroboros
turns to darkness and night. The passage of time and the problem
of death become a dominant feeling...( and those who realise that
if there is only this mortal life....then they are sad by
nature)... for decay and the necessity of death are one side of
the Ouroboros just because its other side signifies birth and
life....or better Rebirth and Eternal Life. The World Wheel, the
humming loom of time, the Weird Sisters, and the wheel of birth
and death, all these symbols express the sadness which rules over
the human life....( or something like that p.45)
On page 87, he speaks again about the Weird Sisters, starting
with the Gorgon Medusa with the male-eating Spider... among the
symbols of the devouring chasm. "The Spider can be classified
among this group of symbols, not only because it devours the male
after coitus, but because it symbolises the female in general,
who spreads nets for the unwary males." ( He says that, not
me!....but He carries on, on a better note)
"This dangerous aspect is much enhanced by the element of
weaving, as we find in the Weird Sisters who spin the thread of
life, or the Norns who weave the Web of the World in which every
human born of a woman gets entangled." (p.87)
Finally, there is always the emergence of a male killer who comes
in and stops the cycle of the Terrible. Mother myths.... like
Perseus who cuts the head of the Gorgon Medusa, for
instance....and destroys the nets so that all can go through the
Ouroboros.
What I am trying to say is that, in the system that we live in,
there are people who never having seen the light themselves, but
knowing that it exists....create nets into which other naive
people unmistakably fall.... but there is really light and life
out there on the other side of the Ouroboros!!!
Weird Sisters and Witches do exist.... and do just that..... kill
the faith and hopes of life... life eternal of course! For
example, take the Norns of Teutonic Mythology .... The
Norns...were the Dispensers of Destiny... some of them were
beneficial and other were malignant. The Scandinavian legend of
Nornagest, is very suggestive, in which we can observe three of
these women which had the gift of prophecy, who showed themselves
at the cradle of the newly born King. Next to the cradle were two
candles. Two of them gave the new-born different godly
presents....but the other one,an ugly one...said "I decide that
He will stop living when the candle which is the closest to him
will cease burning!".... so the oldest one ....grabbed the
candle....blew it and recommended to the Mother of the King....to
never light it up until...the last day of his life." (E of M)
These Norns were called...Past, Present and Future!!! The oldest
was Urd or Wyrd which means also Destiny.... from there the term
Weird Sisters. (OHCp.95 and Encyclopedia of Mythology)
Now, my dear Jennifer, you who have all kinds of god-gifted
talents.... but who is having some major problems of Deadly
Nature around you.... I would suggest that you start looking for
the King.... and try to make Natural Love inside something
white...instead of inside Dark Garbage Bags! ....Go to White
Magic.... and life will bloom around you Sweetheart!
Green....White and.... use your talents otherwise....I'm afraid
that Larry will find you hiding in the closet!!
One for the Money.... Two for the Show....Three, for the Baby!
Food for thought.... The King is alive.
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Dear Friends, my interpretation to Colette Charlet was longer
and spoke more about the Doctor... may be I should look it up and
translate it totally and complete this one... with more
details....as we would learn more about the Hag Man.
OK! Up in the above 3 dreams, in the one of Tracy ... there is
this most awful Witch who pretends to be David's Mother... what a
liar...because all she really wants is to kill David. Let me
show you... The following is a dream that she had about my
coming, but she wrote to me in private and wanted me to interpret
this dream... but not in public!!!
The Conspiracy (1995)
I am standing in a large multilevel mall that contains many
offices and stores. Crowds of people stream by going this way
and that.
They are entranced it seems, automatons, lost in a sea of vacant
thoughts. As I watch them I feel myself becoming entranced as
well. I resist this urge.
And then I notice him, this man moving through the crowd. He
blends into the stream of people. They don't give him a second
look, but there is something about the way he moves that
attracts my attention. He's alert. He moves with strength and
purpose. Taking care not to draw notice to himself, his eyes
periodically scan the inside of the mall -- up and down, around
to different areas making note of things, the importance of
which is known only to him. He's a man with a mission and, I
sense, not of this place.
As this thought crystallizes, I begin to feel my body
resonating with the rhythm of his as he moves through the crowd.
The rhythmic flow brings me more information about him -- his
purpose, his plan. Somehow he's here to create havoc, not just
in this mall but in the larger society. It's a conspiracy of
some sort! But I don't get any details. Whatever it is I sense
pandemonium will ensue. He begins to move closer to me. I know
he's up to something and I'm unsettled by his presence, but I'm
taken by him. His energy is so focused, so purposeful.
He's very close to me now. He suddenly turns around and we
meet face to face. He knows I was watching him. I take a quick
breath in. I am both frightened and spellbound by his gaze. He
is muscular and broad-shouldered, a head taller than me. He is
magnetically attractive with dark chiseled features. I'm fully
enveloped by his aura, conjoined in a mutual rhythm rooting me
in my tracks. I can't escape even if I want to. His dark eyes
pierce into my soul. Inquiring. Assessing. He knows. He knows
that I know. We communicate in a language of sensations. My
body is humming. I don't know if I'm looking into the eyes of
an animal, a man, a god, or all three rolled into one.
He then tells me he must kill me because I know of him and
the conspiracy. My knowing is too dangerous, and this plan must
be carried out -- at all cost. He doesn't wish to cause me
harm, but he's going to. He tells me this with compassion and
without apology. He surprises me now as he pauses with respect,
his eyes locked with mine, and waits for my reply.
The sensations we share are laden with information far
beyond words and flow through my body like an electric current,
like a rushing river. They engulf me causing me to tremble. I
don't understand this, but they fill me with a sweet ambrosia, a
comfort, in the face of my impending death. An ineffable
understanding of why he's here and the urgency of the conspiracy
that he needs to carry out. I slowly nod to him understanding
that I must die.
I'm no longer aware of the people around us. It's as if we
are light years away, and yet out of the periphery of my vision
they still blindly stream past us, oblivious to what is taking
place between me and this mangod.
Never breaking his gaze into my eyes, he lifts up his right
hand which has an ornate knife in. A glint of sunlight off it
blinds me. He quickly draws the blade down the left side of my
face, from temple to ear, painlessly slitting my skin. A rush of
blood flows out. I stagger backwards from the shock. All of
the sensations I felt in my body now rush up to my head. I
stumble a few steps away and lean up against a wall holding my
head with my hands. Blood streams down my face and arms. He
has since disappeared into the crowd.
I think about calling out for help to these automatons who
still walk around me, but I don't. It somehow feels essential
that he carry out this plan whatever the havoc, whatever the
disruption, whatever happens to me. And no one stops. No one
inquires. I am disgusted. I wish these people pandemonium,
something to shake them out of their stupor! I slump down to
the floor and wait for death.
A few minutes pass and I am surprised that I'm not dead yet.
In fact, my head is clearing, the pressure receding. I feel I
can stand up. I'm no longer bleeding. The wound is there, but
it's healing over already. I feel the ridges of skin where his
knife sliced through, but the edges are no longer raw. There is
no sign of blood anywhere, on the floor, on my face, my clothes
or my arms. Bewildered, I now know his intention was not to
physically kill me, but something else, though I'm not sure
what. I must find him. I get up and hurriedly leave. He's got
a twenty minute head start.
I go out to the street searching for him. I have no idea
where he went. I remember his eyes penetrating into my soul.
The sensations of his energy and rhythm in my body return. I
turn toward the river and walk a few blocks to it. I walk down
along its banks following the sensations in my gut. They are
like dowsing rods. Every time my head starts to question I stop
and focus on the dowsing rods of energy in my gut. They point
the way.
I follow them and in a few minutes they lead me toward a
large crowd of people gathered farther down along the riverbank.
From this distance the voices and movements tell me these people
are very agitated, but I can't tell why. It's not obvious from
where I'm standing. Part of me feels nervous to approach them,
but the rods point right into the center of them. I continue
on.
As I get closer I notice that some seem frightened and cover
their eyes. A few are exuberant and dance. Still others are
confused and stare blankly. They are all looking toward the
sky. They don't know what to make of it. I look up and see the
most incredible sight. Many stars have been arranged in an
intricate geometrical design and they are hanging there
suspended in the sky. It is breathtakingly beautiful! It is
like a Star of David with curved edges.
I watch transfixed. The twinkling lights of the stars pulse
at different rhythms creating a movement of light throughout.
There are other intricate star designs inside. As I watch the
wave movement of light I realize it is telling stories of the
universe. He has been here! This is the conspiracy! I tear
myself away and hurry on.
The dowsing rods lead me to a large clay pipe in the earth
that goes down underground. I look inside and it is very dark.
I'm afraid, but the rods point directly inside. I know that
those who are destitute live somewhere within this dank,
foreboding world. There is danger in going here, but I know I
must and step inside.
As I crawl along the narrow passageway I notice a dim light
filtering in from somewhere up ahead. I gingerly make my way
toward it not knowing what I'm going to find, but the rods
inside me are vibrating excitedly. I hear voices as I approach.
Soon the passageway opens up into a large subterranean cavern.
I stand up to see many makeshift shacks of all sorts on
different levels. Some on the floor, some up on ledges. People
dressed in dirty rags scurry about. Others sit quietly at little
trash campfires. I linger for a few minutes. Although there is
destitution here and some unsavory characters, my attention is
slowly drawn to notice a simple elegance of life before me.
As I look around the cavern I notice there is the same sort
of activity happening here that was happening down by the river.
Some people seem agitated and afraid while others are wide-eyed
with wonder. Small groups of them are clustering pointing to
the cavern walls, telling those that are afraid to look and see
for themselves.
I look to where they're pointing and suddenly notice that
what they're excited about is this soft light, a warm glow cast
upon all the cavern walls. There is no obvious source for this
light, and as I watch it more closely I see it is actually waves
of light flowing across the walls, and twinkling lights appear
in it here and there. The twinkling lights pulse in the same
rhythm the Star of David was, while the wave is moving at
another rhythm. And some of the people are so touched by this,
they begin to dance.
The destitution begins to melt away. One by one those who
were afraid begin to get up and dance too. A wave of joy and
ecstasy fills the air and soon all the people are dancing to it,
to the rhythm of light flowing through the cavern.
This is the conspiracy! This is his work! I'm ecstatic.
My own fears of these people have melted away. I pick my way
through the shacks and go down to where they are dancing. We
smile and laugh with each other. We are awake and alive! I
dance with them, the rods in my gut humming, filling my entire
being. A few minutes later the rods pull me toward an opening
on the other side of the cavern. I leave the people and dance
toward it.
I must find him!
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As soon as I read this dream... I remembered this dream in
which I was stripped naked and stabbed to death. So, I knew what
she was all about... and told her right away to beware.
Unfortunately, she eventually conspired against me...and even
said in public that I was only the bottom of a woman!!! Ouch! So,
I told my friends from the Dream Realm that I wished that
someone would take care of her...and they did pretty good... as
these are the dreams which she has gotten recently... just to
show the interactivity which exists in the dream realm... all
according to the theory of Neumann in regards to GI Joes.
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last night......
This entry submitted by k on 2/27/98.
Message: Last night as I was dozing off to sleep I found myself
walking down a blue hallway....then something happened, I went
somewhere or saw something that was inconceivably real but
unknown. Then I heard a voice in my head (not my own) say "don't
try to remember". Then I walked through what looked like my wall
and saw myself lying on my bed with my eyes wide open as though
someone else was in *my* body. I was so terrified and right then
everything was back to normal. I found myself lying in my bed
with my eyes open as I saw myself somehow in a warped mind. My
room didn't *feel* like my room, but it was. I can't remember
anything after that, I must've fallen asleep. When I woke up my
head hurt *sooooo* much. I looked in the mirror and there was a
red mark on the right side of my forehead. I don't know what
happened, just a lost dream. But I feel like maybe something did
happen and I'm not supposed to remember yet. Am I delusional or
what?
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demons killing me in my sleep
This entry submitted by k on 3/12/98.
Message: I had an extremely peculiar dream last night (I've been
having many lately). Actually I've got some sort of strange
insomnia. I'll sleep for maybe 2 hours -- like a corpse. Then the
rest of the night I'm tossing and turning...sooooo much.
Anyway, in my dream these dark lumbering shadows were suffocating
me...i kept losing consciousness until finally i felt my astral
body touching a bloody mushy corpse which was my own. Immediately
I found myself in some sort of vehicle speeding through time and
space. I entered this warehouse, which kindof looked like this
alternative 'church' warehouse i used to hang out at....but it
smelled like the cd warehouse i used to work at. There were
tables like at a club....and i saw some people i knew from
school. I jumped on the table and started screaming. Everyone
started laughing at me. Alarmed that i had just done this, i
tried to explain that 'THEY'(aliens/demons/etc) were after
me.....but instead of listening they just kept looking at
eachother and laughing. Then one of the guys asked if i was
'going out' with anyone, and as soon as i said 'no', one of the
other guys came up behind me and kissed my tatooed shoulder.
...Then, my ex-bestfriend/boyfriend appeared and started saying
he knew exactly what happened. He explained the whole thing in
perfect clarity, which he had a tendency of doing as i
recall......and right then i felt so safe....like i wasn't the
only one. The problem is i only feel like i understand while he's
there, as soon as he goes away, i tend to focus on his being
'gone' rather then thinking about what his words were...
I kept getting flashbacks all through the dream of all the
details....felt like the demons 'raped' me and then killed me....
Another thing, when i woke up, a friend called me and said she
dreamt i'd dissappeared of the face of the earth....which was a
little startling....
So....anyone want to do a dream-analysis? i'd appreciate any
input/suggestions/interpretations....
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This entry submitted by k on 3/24/98.
Message: In my dream last night I was chasing around 3 little
spiders and tryin to kill them. I think it's true -- that killing
the bug means killing something you don't like about yourself.
I've been trying to kill some of my sub-personalities lately. It
must really be consuming my mind to be dreaming about it.
Of course in the dream I was also hit by lightning... it was
strange -- I just remember first seeing a bird get hit -- it
lived the first time, but was having trouble breathing...I felt
so sorry for it. Just then it hit again and died. Then I got so
paranoid it would hit me that I probably attracted it.
Immediately I felt myself displaced -- only for a split-second.
Then I fell back into my body as a sharp pain in my head entered
me. No one believed me though... coz it didn't show. Hmmmm....
...................................
I will not expand on my Hag Hunting Down Methods... but she
got operated on because she wanted to keep me in the dark...
which was not a very good idea....because...
"Praise to Him, the Merciful Lord, who maketh the final
Retribution, and who at the end shall deliver even the wicked
from Hell and restore the whole Creation in purity." (From the
"Dinkart", ed.Peshotan, Bombay, 1874, li, ch.81, Stanza 6.)
So, these were the Two Dead Spiders that you saw on the scroll.
Don't worry they are not dead... but, simply meditating hard. You
know for powerful Witches... these are weird dreams!!
Good for them and hopefully they will understand that dreams are
not only fruits of our minds.
And how can I restore them in purity otherwise?
And talking about Purity... let's now hurry to the Tree-of-Life.
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Now this is the Dream of the Divine Holy Woman... the real Great
Mother Goddess... let's see if you can recognise her? This is a
dream which was posted in the past on the Core... at a time when
I was not here. It was sent to me by this wonder dreamer...when
she saw last month's article which spoke a little about the Magic
Tree. Good thing she did, because this happens to be the Gem
Dream of this month's issue... and by far.
I was with Victor (Eric Braeden/Y&R...an actor) and his friend
Douglas.
We were at Victor's property where he was going to build a ranch.
We were standing there (I don't recall a house, but we were
looking out a window) when suddenly, out of nowhere, a storm
started brewing. The skies were black. It was going to be a
bad one. I wondered if we should even bother putting our cars
in the garage, thinking they'd probably get damaged there as
well. Directly in front of us stood a tree. It was of medium
height (25-30 feet), had a trunk 4 feet in diameter and had
millions of leaves which were small and waxy. Suddenly, out of
the right side of the leaves there appeared a small, dimpled
looking, beluga whale. The whale looked to be struggling to
escape the leaves and branches; feet first, if you will. It
finally broke free, but was then sucked immediately back in.
Next, all of the leaves began turning color; green to black to
white, finally turning into doves (but not flying away, staying
in the tree). Next the doves turned into twelve ghosts (like
Casper, The Friendly Ghost). All you can see are their heads
poking through the leaves. I stood there in awe at what had
transpired; my mind trying to comprehend all I had seen. In the
blink of an eye, the storm had passed. The tree before us now
forever broken. The trunk had been snapped completely off and was
now shattered and splintered on each end. But the amazing thing
was that the treetops were still in tact, hanging ominously above
the tree stump, while the trunk itself was levitating sideways
between the treetop and the stump. The kinetic energy surrounding
us from the storm was remarkable. I grabbed my journal to write
everything down that had happened. Over my shoulder, Victor began
reading some of my previous entries (personal comments, quotes
I'd made up and observations). One in particular, and my
favorite, caught his eye. He read it out loud. I said to him,
"You know, I felt like I had been touched by the hand of God when
I wrote that. It was the most amazing feeling." I felt a buzzing
feeling within my body. My blood flowed through me like
electricity. I took my journal and sat down to write what we had
all witnessed. My mind is racing, my hand can't process my
thoughts fast enough. As I write, I suddenly realize that I'm
sitting there topless (half naked), but I don't care. I'm wearing
a brand new pair of jeans, the tag hanging off one of those
plastic strings that are so annoying. I feel the coolness of the
table as my bare breasts rub against it as I continue writing. I
write faster and faster, not wanting to forget a single thing, my
head nearly resting on the table by my hand. Victor watches me,
mesmerized. I can feel myself get lightheaded, like I might pass
out from the sheer exhilaration of it all. I feel my body start
to tip over sideways, out of my chair. I find it increasingly
hard to breathe. I take deeper and deeper breaths, reminding
myself to breathe in and out. I wonder if Victor will catch me
before I fall to the ground.
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Now, this dream, from this dreaming wonder is the
Transfigurational dream which confirms that she is indeed the
Great Mother Goddess.
Let's decipher this dream...
a)- I was with Victor (Eric Braeden/Y&R...an actor) and his
friend Douglas. We were at Victor's property where he was going
to build a ranch.
She is with Victor... at his future Ranch. This means that they
are going to raise Horses .... Spiritual Horses mind you.
b)- We were standing there (I don't recall a house, but we were
looking out a window) when suddenly, out of nowhere, a storm
started brewing. The skies were black. It was going to be a bad
one.
Looking through a window, but there is no house...
" Now Allah has created the dream not only as a means of
guidance and instruction, I refer to the true dream, but he has
made it as a window on the Unseen. "
(Words of the Prophet Mohammed, Arabia, 7th century A.D.)
.... and a bad storm starts brewing...
"Look! He advances like the clouds, his chariots come like a
whirlwind, his horses are faster than eagles." (Jeremiah 4,13)
"Yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly, that thou shalt be
visited by the Lord of Hosts... with storm and tempest... and
shall be as a dream of a night vision." (Isaiah 29, 5-7)
c)- I wondered if we should even bother putting our cars in the
garage, thinking they'd probably get damaged there as well.
Nothing can escape this Storm...! Nothing!
d)- Directly in front of us stood a tree. It was of medium height
(25-30 feet), had a trunk 4 feet in diameter and had millions of
leaves which were small and waxy. Suddenly, out of the right side
of the leaves there appeared a small, dimpled looking, beluga
whale. The whale looked to be struggling to escape the leaves
and branches; feet first, if you will. It finally broke free,
but was then sucked immediately back in. Next, all of the leaves
began turning color; green to black to white, finally turning
into doves (but not flying away, staying in the tree).
She looks at a Tree with Animal Spirits of humans...the whale of
Jonas? ...and the leaves transform into beatiful Doves! Oh! the
Magic Tree!
e)- Next the doves turned into twelve ghosts (like Casper, The
Friendly Ghost). All you can see are their heads poking through
the leaves. I stood there in awe at what had transpired; my mind
trying to comprehend all I had seen. In the blink of an eye, the
storm had passed.
Oh! and the Doves transform into "12" friendly Ghosts. I don't
need to interpret the symbol of them 12 Apostles. So, this is
definitely the Magic Wish-Granting Tree-of-Life Eternal. This
Tree of the Lord is everywhere in Holy Scriptures and you may
read about it as early as Genesis 2,29... in which they call it
the Tree of life and the Tree of Knowledge.
"He sent forth his word and healed them; he rescued them from the
grave. "For he spoke and stirred up a tempest... "They mounted up
to the heavens and went down to the depths; in their perils their
courage melted away... "He stilled the storm to a whisper. They
were glad when it grew calm, and he guided them to their desired
haven."
(Some extracts from Psalm 107...20 to 30.)
f)- The tree before us now forever broken. The trunk had been
snapped completely off and was now shattered and splintered on
each end. But the amazing thing was that the treetops were still
intact, hanging ominously above the tree stump, while the trunk
itself was levitating sideways between the treetop and the stump.
The kinetic energy surrounding us from the storm was remarkable.
I grabbed my journal to write everything down that had happened.
The Tree-of-Life gets sectionned and remains hanging in the
air... so, this Magic Tree is the Tree of the Garden described in
muslim books which say that its roots are in heaven and its
boughs in the earth...and its light reaches all the corners of
the world, while its base consists of "Horses with Wings", with
saddles inlaid with pearl and ruby. (This has already been
exposed in ED's previous issue.)
Then its severed Base, its Trunk, levitating shifts from vertical
to horizontal and begins to spin... to rotate creating a powerful
kinetic whirlwind and magnetic storm.
Now, the enigma of this Winged-Horses Trunk, or Djed Pillar has
remained a puzzle to this day, as stated in OHC p.229. In the
next
page, you can read that "Isis cut the coffer out of the Tree,"
but the Tree she wrapped in fine linen and anointed... and was
worshipped as the "Wood of Isis""!!! Yes, Sir!
In the next page, you can read that this Tree-Trunk is Osiris,
and that Tree, Pillar or Coffin or Mummy is all the same!
On page 231, they say that the "Sacrum" was set on this
"Winged-Horses' Tree-of-Life Trunk" because it is the symbol of
the "Everlasting Begetter".
It is the Solar-Phallus, the spiritual spermatic "Head" of the
Tree which begets and brings forth in the Tree-Birth... which is
the
Higher Spiritual Nativity!
Now on page 237, you can read the following....
"Self-Renewal and Tree-Birth ...the "Higher" Nativity...go
together. The Osiris, who is born of the Tree is born of himself
in the precise sense of one risen from his coffin, for Osiris,
Tree and Coffin are the same. Hence the Tree-Birth is identical
with Rebirth!"
"Thou art the Great Phoenix that was born in the Tree at the
Great House of Princes in Heliopolis."
" I am Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow, and I have the power to be
born a second time; I am the Divine Hidden Soul who created the
Gods."
g)- Over my shoulder, Victor began reading some of my previous
entries (personal comments, quotes I'd made up and observations).
One in particular, and my favorite, caught his eye. He read it
out loud. I said to him, "You know, I felt like I had been
touched by the hand of God when I wrote that. It was the most
amazing feeling." I felt a buzzing feeling within my body. My
blood flowed through me like electricity. I took my journal and
sat down to write what we had all witnessed. My mind is racing,
my hand can't process my thoughts fast enough.
So, Victor reads her dreams, like the "Deer Social"... and the
"Revelation"... and many others since they all go along... and
she begins to write...
h)- As I write, I suddenly realize that I'm sitting there topless
(half naked), but I don't care. I'm wearing a brand new pair of
jeans, the tag hanging off one of those plastic strings that are
so annoying. I feel the coolness of the table as my bare breasts
rub against it as I continue writing. I write faster and faster,
not wanting to forget a single thing, my head nearly resting on
the table by my hand.
She, now topless, leans over the Table and writes...with feeling
and heart because as stated on p.25, that "breast and heart" are
for the zone of feeling while "head and brain" are for the zone
of Spirit....
i)- Victor watches me, mesmerized. I can feel myself get
lightheaded, like I might pass out from the sheer exhiliration of
it all. I feel my body start to tip over sideways, out of my
chair. I find it increasingly hard to breathe. I take deeper
and deeper breaths, reminding myself to breathe in and out. I
wonder if Victor will catch me before I fall to the ground.
(7/21/96) #446
...while the diaphragm is supposed to correspond to earth's
surface, and the development beyond this zone is co-ordinated
with the "Rising Sun"....(p.25)
"Through this union of soul parts the King becomes a "Ba", a
heart-soul who dwells with the Gods and possesses the Breath of
Life; he is now an "Akhu", a perfect spiritual being."(p.243)
"The King is reborn in the glory of the eastern horizon akhet;
and he who is reborn in the east (The Sun-God) becomes an Akh a
Glorious, Shining One." (p.243)
"This "Ka" is the Father and the Being which causes man to live,
presides over the intellect and the moral forces, gives spiritual
and physical life." (p.243)
"The erection of the Djed, which is the main feature of the
(Osirian) festivities, symbolises the "Resuscitation of Osiris",
i.e., the coming to life of the dead..."
Interesting isn't it?
Now, going back to our mysterious Lady, what do you think that
she is writing? Continue...to 245...
" Isis helps him in this; she conducts a Law suit for the
legitimacy of Horus and of his claim to the throne, and gets the
gods to recognise Horus'(spiritual) paternity, the basis of the
Patriarchate.
The supercession of the matriarchal by a patriarchal epoch is an
archetypal process; that is to say, it is a universal and
necessary phenomenon in the history of mankind."!!!!
OK! And, who do you think that she is? Nutcracker of course...
but, spiritually I mean?
This scene, contains many elements, a Tree-of-Life containing
ghosts, Spirits and Doves, getting uprooted by God, as she,
"topless", writes leaning flat on a cool table.
To solve this one we have to go to p.75 and 76 of the same book.
"We have to rely on pictorial representations of the
(Pre-Hellenic) Creto-Mycenean religion, for the texts are not as
yet undeciphered;
but here again the comparative interpretation of the symbols
proves its value and leads us to the archetype of the Great
Mother."
You can read further that the Dove is one of her attributes, just
as her dress which left the breasts exposed.
On p.53, they say that "She is "unknown", i.e., anonymous. To be
"unveiled" means to be naked, but this is only another form of
anonymity."
If you want to see her take a look at the 4 pictures attached...
They are some of the famous seals of Mycenes, which relate to the
Mycenian period, of early Greece, and they are over some 4000
years old. OK!, as you will now see, the powerful "Tree" dream
indicated that she was Rhea, Dictynna (the root etymology of
Dictum, dictate, diction...) and Britomartis which were previous
incarnations of Artemis who was often called
Dictynna-Britomartis. Rhea was supposed to have been the mother
of Zeus...and in the name Britomartis... the suffix Martis is
from Mars... which may mean, that she may have been the bride of
Mars in an earlier incarnation.
It is interesting that both Dictynna and Britomartis, are
represented just like Artemis, as wild young virgin forest
hunters. Actually, Artemis had a temple raised to this Goddess,
which was herself in the past. I hope that you can follow what I
am trying to illustrate. All of this comes from the Encyclopedia
of Mytho... my french version.
Regardless, you will find on the first one, the illustration of
a ritual which represented her in the center dancing and showing
on either side of her, herself writing on the sacred table while
a man, on the right, representing god, is uprooting the Tree of
Life. This seal was made to commemorate her dream of the
uprooting of the Tree... in which she saw the power of the Great
Guy! Please note that she was wearing pants...while the rest of
the absent dress is the same...the tree is there and the sacred
table too! You see this was indeed a very important dream and I
thank this Goddess of sending it to crazy Dr.Deus...
On the second one, it is of herself again, sitting underneath
the sacred tree, in the same jean dress, in this one they call
her the Tree Goddess, and all kinds of women which may be
Artemis, Dictynna and Britomartis offering Poppy flowers to the
Great Goddess...which is the Tree-Goddess. You will also note the
presence of the double-axe which relate to the uprooting of the
Tree plus her symbol of the Moon and my symbol of the Solar Disk.
On the third picture, which is only a print from a
third seal, you will see the Tree Goddess, sitting in the boat (a
figurative representation of the Vehicle or Chariot of the
Sun-God) floating above the waters of the Sea of Death. You will
note the head of the Horse at the bow looking at her... as the
Horses of Old Hives, the Ancient of Days... in another one of her
dreams....
I was live-in help for a couple and their two kids (boy/girl).
They lived in the country. They had a two car garage attached
to the house, but whenever the woman went out and bought
something, she would never pull her car into the garage, as she
did this particular day. Her son and I went out to help her
carry the groceries into the house. She would always park about
ten feet away from it. One day she told her ten year old son to
go out to the barn to get something for her. All I know is that
even I wouldn't want to go down there by myself (scared). Next I
find myself on the back of a wagon being pulled by horses. There
are horses walking alongside the wagon as well. There is an old
man driving the horses. We're driving to a field to gather some
hay. I will have to gather horse hair (tails) too. I wonder
how I will be able to stack bales of hay and gather and comb
horse hair at the same time. I finish brushing one horse's tail
and toss it onto the hay next to me. I know (via ESP) that when
we reach the field, the old man will disappear and I'll be
alone. The old man and the horses (they're mystical) know what
I'm thinking. I swear the horses smiled at me. I stood up to
rearrange some hay bales and fell of the wagon (like I jumped of
backwards, feet first).
................................
Now this Old Harvester with her, the owner of the Horse is God
himself with his magical Horses...and he wants her to help
because she is like him a Reaper.
They say that the boat is leading her to a chapel... like in one
of my dreams!
And finally, here are a few other representations
of her... with snakes in hands, which I believe are old symbols
of the Ouroboros. However, the book on p.75 also suggest that
this could be the symbol of the procreative masculine spiritual
element at work in her as stated on p.133...and expanded on 134
and 135.
Now, at this point it must be made clear that there is no
need to ask our friend Goddess Nutcracker if she believes in
God... and what is active inside of her... we just have to read
her dreams...
(In this dream) I was in my (brass) bed, asleep and dreaming. My
bed was like a car (the bed is the driver). I was driving down
this quiet country road. The night was still and black. Even
though my eyes are closed, I can see everything clearly. As I
rounded a curve, the lights on my bed shone into a favorite old
house that I loved. There was a huge gaping hole in the front
of the house. I could see that the insides had been gutted as
well. I felt sad for its demise. I noticed the roof had been
torn away also. Behind the house stood this monstrous oak tree -
it was the largest tree I had ever seen. It was as big, if not
bigger than the house. Now, able to see the tree through the
roof, it looked black and ominous against the night sky. I lay
in my bed, much like Christ on the cross (legs straight, arms
out to my sides). Then as if in a dare to no one in particular,
the thought went through my mind, "OK, give me your best shot!"
There was no noise, but the earth started shaking. I could feel
my mattress poking up around me, as if trying to swallow me. I
had no feelings of fear, yet another thought crossed my mind.
"God save me." All was quiet once again.
So, no problem there... we know what is the male principle
inside of this Holy Woman...the Christos. So, no need to worry,
he will raise her upon high...as usual...
It was night. The sky was in various shades of blue, littered
with stars. All that is visible is a stairway, stretching
upwards. It is a (hand carved) stone stairway which leads to the
heavens. The stairway is comprised of 75 steps. There are 150
goddesses present. They are being lined up, two to a step, and
posed like statues. (4/6/98)
So, as you can see, she is going to Heaven, just like her
numerous previous incarnations. The interesting thing here is to
note the hand-cut chiseled "stone" stairway to Heaven.
"The earliest picture of Osiris, shows him as "the God at the Top
of the Staircase." He is (himself) the Ladder from earth to
heaven, and those who could not be buried in Abydos itself, tried
at least to set up a stone there at the "Staircase of the Great
God." (OHC, p.232-233)
... in Heaven she is a very close friend of the Sun-God...
and on earth when she sees my coming she always writes the Law...
After all... " It is to Apollo, the God of Delphes, to dictate
the most important, the most beautiful, and the first of all
Laws." (Plato, "The Republic", IV,427.)
... and it is to Dictynna-Britomartis Artemis... to
write them down on the sacred table.This is the reason why both
of Artemis and Apollo were mainly considered like the Protectors
of the Imperial City and the Guarantors of the Peace which the
Empire had imposed to the World.
Actually a woman dreamt of her a few nights ago...
Gift from Mary
Posted by stephanie on April 15, 1998 at 22:07:13:
I had a dream which had two parts - in between I woke up very
upset - then I went back to sleep and dreamt part two. Part one
was like a wake up call. After awhile (and much help from my
husband I fell back asleep and dreamt this: I went to a large
temple/church where I saw a vision of Mary in blue and gold. She
was like the statues of a goddess in ancient Greece and Rome.As I
got closer I saw a shining coin in the palm of her right hand.
She held it out for me to take. I took it and I stepped back.
When I looked up next her face zoomed in very close and she
nodded twice and blinked twice to me. I thought she must have
given me a gift and perhaps will help me? I just don't know what
the gift of a coin means. If anyone has any ideas I would really
appreciate reading them.
.............
Well! Mother Mary in Greco-Roman Dress, this is her... and
giving a Token of her Presence... this is a confirmation dream
in which she says to trust her Seal of Mycenea. Holy Mother
Mary's attribute was also the Dove...she was the Dove-Goddess.
(OHC,p.76)
Now, would you like to know why she is so Holy?
The answer is very simple, simply because...
"She is the Mother of all that has been born or will be born."
"She is there for anyone who, like herself, stands in the
service of (spiritual)fertility."(OHC, p.52... but the book in
these passages confuses her again with the Terrible Goddess who
rarely gives birth as she is a slayer of children.)
...and for now, let me spin my coffin once and show you the
Spiritual Heritage of the Victor...with the example of the very
famous Babylonian hero Marduk... the Sovereign of the Universe.
Take OHC of Neumann again and go from the top of p.165 to 167...
and inside this complex stuff you will find rather interesting
the remains of the Victor myth, in which as explained on p.165,
the hero must prove his higher origin in order to succeed... and
on pages you will come across some brilliant revelations like...
" But the son (Marduk) has dreamt that his Father appeared to
him, like "a man having a Sun for his head," and in the dream he
rode the Sun Steed of his Future that his Father gave him.
Already this horse named "Herzorn", which "has the wind in his
belly" and "snuffs the Sun", stands in the stable and gladden's
the boy's heart."
Look!, it is stated here that...." the whole conflict sways round
the existence and non-existence of this Horse!!!!!". The Whole
Conflict!!! The Whole Issue concerning the existence of the
Spiritual World.
Well, I know for a fact that this Horse exists... because I rode
on it in a dream, just like Marduk, Mohammed and Bellerophon...
which also did the same in dreams... this is all written.
Anyways, they say, on p.167, that Marduk... began to
understand...
"Perhaps the life we live is also the life of the Gods?!"
But, his physical mother which represents the establishment of
the old age... who don't want to believe in the existence of the
Magical Horse.... and then comes the Dead Day...when his mother
tells him that he is...
"Just a little boy born of the night, a new born thing
without light or consciousness."
And in despair he says... "But nobody can be anybody else;
nobody else can be what I am - nobody but me!"
But, he was brought up being told that he could not.... "live
by the bread that is baked in dreams."
And he replies..."You bed-wetter, my father's dreams would have
shown me my heritage, without my father's example.The body does
not help it must cleave to the Spirit."
This Universal Law is very simple... the Winged-Horse of Fire,
the Sun-Steed, the Chariot of the Sun is the Spirit of the
Sun-God!!! And it manifests in dreams.
This is so simple, and yet it appears so complicated because of
those who took pleasure of distorting my story to the point that
no one can understand anymore.
So, this is the reason why I always have to come back and
repeat the same old story of my spiritual heritage.... in order
to show that whoever rode on this Horse of Fire were always the
flesh incarnations of the Primordial Soul of the Universe... and,
believe me, it is not the fault of the victim Rider... and very
hard for him. You know, in the flesh I am only a simple man who
considers the whole creation as a little family of which I am the
father... and I would really like my chidren to live in peace
and harmony. I came numerous of times, sometimes I succeeded and
at others I failed... and hopefully this time I will succeed.
You would like to know who I am...well, this is basically
summerised in the following dream of Dream Wonder...
===Dream: 'Winged Leader' by Nutcracker ===
I had driven to a house. I went inside and found a man. The man
was (Dr D as) a Tibetan monk of revered status. We stood at the
kitchen window as he dried the dishes. He wore off white
clothing. The kitchen too was white. Everything we communicated
was done via telepathy. I sensed that he was unhappy with my
having material possessions and communicated back to him, "Oh,
Winged Leader, the vehicle does not belong to me." I felt he
thought I was a braggart for arriving in style. This pained me
immensely as the last thing I would want to do is flaunt my
possessions in anyone's face. (3/11/98) Mystical
....and the divine messages of her dreams are undeniable. I am
the Winged-Leader and you can read about him in many places but
also in OHC, p.147 to 149...
" With the emergence and stabilization of leadership the group
becomes further individualized. Not only is the leader set up as
a hero, but the figures of spiritual progenitor, creator-god,
ancestor, ideal leader, etc. begin to crystallize out from the
mistiness of the primitive totem-image. It is a characteristic of
the "god in the background"-a very early figure in the history of
religion- that he is regarded not as a forefather, but more as
the father who is the "Author of All Things." He is a spiritual
figure not primarily connected with nature; he belongs to the
primordial age, to the dawn of history, and steps out of it to
bring culture and salvation to mankind. He is timeless in the
sense that he does not enter into time, but dwells in the
background of time, in the primordial time that regulates our
earthly chronology. Characteristic, too, in his relation to
history and morality; for as the tribal ancestor, he is directly
related to the medicine men and the elders, the representatives
of authority, power, wisdom, and esoteric knowledge. This creator
figure is a numinous projection from which is derived the
God-King figure of the hero. Generally speaking, the hero
appears as the son of a god, if he is not the god himself.
The identification culminates in the feeling that he is the son
of God, embodying in himself the whole mightiness of heaven. This
is as much as to say that all heroes are god-begotten.
Only as one twice-born is he the hero, and that conversely anyone
who has "suffered" the double birth must be regarded as a hero.
The transformation of the hero ....is a Transfiguration, a
glorification, indeed an apotheosis, the central feature of which
the birth of a higher mode of personality. This qualitative and
essential change is what distinguishes the hero from the normal
person. As we have said, mythology represents the hero as having
two fathers: a personal father who does not count or is the
father of the carnal lower man, of the mortal part; and a
heavenly father who is the father of the heroic part, of the
higher man, who is "extraordinary" and immortal.
Hence, the archetype of the hero myth is often a Sun myth or even
a Moon myth. Glorification means Deification. The hero is the Sun
or Moon, i.e., a divinity. As a mere mortal, he is in reality the
son a purely personal father, but as the hero he is the son of a
god and is identified, or identifies himself, with him."
OK! and for those who are new here...this is one of my main
Transfiguration Dreams...with one of my Spiritual Fathers...
" When my mind woke up to its senses, I was walking down the
street with my pack-sack on my back, in the center of a big
Downtown, a concrete Jungle of Sky-scapers, somewhere. It was
dawn, when everything is still misty and obscure and I was aware
that the Sun was just about to rise. I was alone on the street,
as the City was still asleep and there was in the air a
distinctive seaside smell.
Suddenly, my eyes were attracted by a greenish light emanating
from a little window, located at knee level in the thick concrete
foundation wall of one of these tall Scrapers and located at the
far end of a narrow Dead-End alley. So, I walked to the window
and once there bending down, I saw at eye level, through a
portion of the window, where the dirty glass was broken and
missing, (lower left section) a familiar looking ball which was
radiating this magical green irradiant light. Then, observing
carefully, I came to realise that it was the Earth!! While the
continents were dark, the Water of the Oceans were generating
this luminescence which was lighting this dark cave.
Gradually, I began to be able to discern other forms in the the
dark and soon saw that the earth was tied to a gold chain
attached to the North pole and was going straight up in the cave
of this large building. Then, I saw a hand....a right hand,
holding this Earth from above and pulling down on it, against the
chain, which was passing between the major and index finger of
this hand.
Then, I slowly began to see the person who was pulling down
against the chain.( This person was standing right up with the
right arm right up too, and was right under the Earth.)
Stretching my neck, I looked down following the bare right arm,
which was covered by an ample sleeve, which would have normally
covered the whole arm, but in this position it had slipped and
covered only from the elbow downward to the shoulder.
I soon saw that he was wearing a white "Djelabah" type dress with
a hood covering his head, but still I could see his face from a
poor angle...and it seemed as if he was sleeping.
Actually, besides the angulation of his head, he was exactly in
the position of Helios in the Statue of Liberty in New-York
City....and besides a few little details such as the radiating
torch in his right hand and the hood over his face ....he really
looked like it.
Anyways, stretching my neck even further, in the hope of getting
a better look at his face, I leaned in the in the broken corner
of the window. At this point, I could see the lower rim of my
left eye's orbit. Finally, I was able to get a good look at his
face and as soon as I did, I immediately recognised him.
It was a shock. Rubbing my eyes, I looked twice or thrice just to
make sure. Still, I could not believe my eyes, but yet I had to
face the facts and the face....and reality. There was absolutely
no doubt and to my utmost surprise He was verily on all angles
the Great Person known as Jesus of Nazareth. I simply could not
imagine such a scene like, and sincerely, it was the very last
thing that I could expect.
His head was in the familiar position as He is usually
represented on the Cross,...and His eyes were closed. For a
while, I wondered if He was dead, but yet, since He was holding
on to the Earth, by His obvious will....He was therefore well
alive and at the most merely sleeping!!
Nevertheless, He was there, hanging on, in total resignation, as
if His only way out would be when someone would go in
there....inside this cave of materialism...where He was held
prisonner....to break this Gold Chain of Materialism...and thus
release the Christ and free the World, at the same time. ""One
rock two birds!""
In my mind it was saying...."Help Him...Help Him...Help
Him....Someone Help Him!" In a rush, I felt a strong urge rising
into me. I sincerely wanted to help Him...I personnaly wished to
help the Christ....give Him a hand...give Him a break...but did
not know how to get in.
Suddenly, my soul, in the flash of an instant, transmigrated in
the head of the spiritual Holy Ghost body of Jesus. I
transfigured with Him, from my own present ghost body, my soul
transmigrated into His Holy Ghost body ...(which just happens to
simply be another ghost body of a previous life of our unique
immortal soul! )
And then, the Earth held in my right hand got brighter and
brighter and its lighting effect spreaded to my whole body which
also began to radiate a strong luminescence and soon the whole
City at my feet was totally illuminated...and then gradually the
Eastern States were brightly enlightened and then the whole
North-American Continent....and soon the whole World was in the
Light." (End)
"He shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the
pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see the
travail of his soul and shall be satisfied....."
Isaiah
53,11
" I am the Light of the World. Whoever follows me will never walk
in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8,12
"I and the Father are One."
Therefore, shall it be a Dark Day... or a Bright Day?
"Adam...his soul passed by transmigration into David...his soul
transmigrated into the Messiah." (The Talmud)
Now, with great ceremony...during the next 5 issues of ED, in
Dr.Deus' column... I will spin my coffin over a 100 times and we
shall see if the Winged-Horse of the Universal Monarch on which
flew in dreams all my previous incarnations of the Sun-God...
whether Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed or Zeus, or etc...really exists!!
"My Father! My Father! The Chariot of Israel and
the Horsemen thereof!" 2 Kings 2,12
Actually, very few of you can realise that you are all
captive of my Tree-of-Life Eternal... and I omitted in the last
issue in the story of the Jewel of the Universal Monarch... this
paragraph which outlined the periodical necessity of uprooting
the famous Tree-of-Life.
"Whatever captives there may be in my realm, let them set them
all loose from their captivity; as this Tree has been delivered
from its captivity, so let them release others from bondage."
Therefore, Ladies and Gentlemen... just watch when I say...
"Turn! Turn! Magic Coffin! Turn!"
And as such Turn your own Captivity...
and everytime you recognise the Winged-Horse of the Universal
King you are supposed to say in faith...as stated in Psalm 126...
"When the Lord turned again the Captivity of Zion,
we were like them that dream.
Then our mouth was filled with laughter,
and our tongue with singing;
then said among them the heathen,
The Lord hath done great things for them.
The Lord hath done great things for us;
whereof we are glad."
"Turn again our Captivity, O Lord,
as the streams in the south.
they that sow in tears shall reap in joy.
He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed,
shall doubtless come again with rejoicing,
bringing his sheaves with him."
"Turn again our Captivity, O Lord."
How come my name is not Treena Turner...? :)
Dr. Deus
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When I look at constellations,
I can see what your dreams are.
You'll have one million thoughts a month,
but you only get five stars.
Epic Dewfall
http://www.storm.ca/~lucid/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Dreamgates: A Journey into Shamanic Dreaming
- Book Review: The Living Labyrinth
- Dream news from Oniros/EASD
- Share your Nightmares
- ASD Update
- The Council of All Beings Earth Day Event and Benefit
- Symposium: "DREAMING AND CONSCIOUSNESS"
- Dreamgates: Journeys to Inner and Other Worlds
- Integrating Dreamwork into Your Psychotherapy Practice
- Call for Dreamjourneys and Special Invitation to Dreamjourney
Circle
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Book Research Request : Animal Dreams
- Looking for Material on Prophetic Dreams
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Dreamquest
- DreamThread Redesign
- Dream Narratives from Witty Girls
DREAM CALENDAR for May-June 1998
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<<<<<<< Dreamgates: A Journey into Shamanic Dreaming
Saturday, May 16, 10:00 am - 5:00 pm
Unity Church of Fairfax, VA
You are born to fly! Come spread your wings in this fun-packed
adventure with shamanic dream explorer Robert Moss. Learn how to
journey through the gateway of your personal dream images to
gather important messages, resolve nightmare terrors, dialogue
with spiritual guides, and discover places of training and
adventure inside the Dreaming to which you can return. We will
explore the shamanic arts of shape-shifting, tracking, shared
dreaming and soul recovery. Bring your spirit of adventure, your
sense of humor and a blanket or cushion. Cost is $75 for ASD
members and $85 for non-members. For more information, contact
the Association for the Study of Dreams, 703-242-0062, P.O. box
1600RM, Vienna, VA 22183.
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The Living Labyrinth: Exploring Universal Themes in Myths, Dreams
and the Symbolism of Waking Life
Jeremy Taylor
ISBN 0-8091-3766-6
Paulist Press, 1998
Writing in his usual elegant and engaging style, Jeremy weaves a
fascinating thread between dream symbolism, mythology and the
power of archetypal energy as it manifests in both our dreaming
and waking lives. Roving the mythological gamut from the Great
Mother to the Divine Child to vampires and aliens, Jeremy
illustrates how folk-tales, symbols and metaphors are not just
stories and images, but living patterns of consciousness
engaging us towards wholeness through our dreams and the
meaningful events and relationships of our daily lives. Filled
with beautiful stories, rich anecdotes, historical perspectives
and practical guidelines for archetypal dreamwork, this book
would be a welcome addition to any dreamer's library.
>>>>>>>Dream news from Oniros/EASD
We just started a French version of the DreamWheel called ®La
Roue du Rve¯. The reason is that it is easier for
French speaking people (dreamers from France, Qubec , Belgium,
and so on) to work on dreams in French So, if you want to
participate, you can subscribe to the mailing-list at the URL
address : http://perso.club-internet.fr.oniros/maillist.htm
>>>>>>.Share your Nightmares
Since 1990, listeners to KAZU public radio in Pacific Grove, CA,
have enjoyed a call-in show devoted to the dream. Now, Dreams,
Another Way of Knowing, hosted by Kathleen Sullivan, needs you
and your nightmares. Each Wednesday evening through May, Kathleen
will be focusing on the important topic of nightmares. During
those evenings all calls will be recorded and edited for an audio
tape set to be published by The Crossing Press for world wide
distribution in l999. If you are willing to explore a nightmare
over the air during one of those Wednesday evenings from 7:00 to
8:00 PM, please call Kathleen at 408-372-8534 for a pre-show
interview. Your work will help others and make you a star! You
need not be in the listening area to participate. Long distance
calls will be equally useful.
>>>>>>>ASD Update
The latest news from the Association for the Study of Dreams
www.asdreams.org
-- June Dream Conference in Hawaii - Schedule now up
-- Dream Discussions Online - ASD Bulletin Board
-- Graduate Dream Studies Project - Know of any?
-- Historical Studies in Dreaming - Call for papers
-- New online dream book shop
-- Misc: Dreams and Film, re-play of 1997 Dream Art Gallery,
Search Dream Journal Abstracts, More
Getting the latest information on the Hawaii XV ASD International
Conference, 1998 is now EASY. Just stop by and select the
conference page to get the latest information, pictures and more.
We are VERY excited about this conference and now have the
SCHEDULE of speakers and workshops
available online. General Conference Information:
http://www.asdreams.org/asd-15.htm
June Speaker and Workshops Schedule: http://www.asdreams.org/asd-
15schedule.htm
FIFTEENTH ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE OF THE ASSOCIATION FOR
THE STUDY OF DREAMS
Brigham Young University - Laie, Oahu, Hawaii June 22-28, 1998
For Further information: The Conference Information Hotline
Number In Hawaii Is: 808) 262-7750
Call this number if you have particular question about Hawaii and
your trip. Our local volunteers there will be happy to listen to
your recorded message and get back to you by telephone or e-mail,
to answer questions and make suggestions about pre- and post-
conference vacation activities,
weather, clothing, what to bring, etc.
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-- Dream Discussions Online - ASD Bulletin Board
Though NO specific dreams are interpreted, we do talk about just
about everything else that has to do with dreams and dreaming.
The ASD discussion Web board is at http://www.asdreams.org/enter
board.htm ... and is hosted by Ad Christiaensen who would love to
hear from you. What do you think about lucid dreaming? How did
you like the last book on dreams you read? How about posting your
dream projects and regional plans here? Maybe you could even help
us out, as we answer dozens of basic
questions about dreams and dreaming from younger students around
the world and help with locating research material and resources
for more advanced students. Come join this international cast of
characters in the field of dreams and dreaming.
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-- Graduate Dream Studies Project - Know of any?
The Association for the Study of Dreams would like to provide
detailed Website descriptions of any graduate programs that
support dream studies. To do this, we need your cooperation in
supplying information you might have about these programs. Don
Kuiken, Editor-in-Chief of the ASD Journal
Dreaming has provided forms and information on how to submit
information and will be posting this data as it comes in. Stop by
the Graduate Dream Studies for more information.
Http://www.asdreams.org/gradstudies.idx.htm
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Dreaming Journal Special Issue Announcement
CALL FOR PAPERS: A SPECIAL ISSUE ON HISTORICAL STUDIES OF
DREAMING
Dreaming is planning a special issue on historical studies of
dreams scheduled for publication in early 2000. Contributions are
invited for articles that:
(1) Examine the role of dreams in a particular historical setting
or cultural milieu; (2) Analyze what a specific historical
figure or text said about dreams; (3) Compare the place of dreams
in different historical eras and, if applicable, track
developments from
one era to another; (4) Survey the changing
view of dreams and dreaming through the history of religion,
philosophy, literature, and/or science; (5) Examine the
historical development of various clinical applications of
dreams, including historical literature reviews on the role of
dreams in differing diagnostic groups and the use of dreams in
specific therapeutic
traditions. Manuscripts will undergo full peer review and should
be submitted by 1 March 1999 to: Hendrika Vande Kemp, Ph.D, 180
N. Oakland Avenue, Pasadena, CA 91101-1714,
USA or to Kelly Bulkeley, Ph.D., 226 Amherst Avenue, Kensington,
CA 94708, USA
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-- New online dream book shop
That's right, Dream Books, Conference Tapes, Videos, CD,
DreamWheels, all available and ready to be sent to you or a
special someone for as a gift. When you buy from the ASD bookshop
you are supporting dream education at the same time.
Http://www.asdreams.org/html web store/html web store.cgi
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-- Misc: ASD Web Site Features.
The ASD Web site, www.asdreams.org offers a multitude of dream
related resources, including abstracts from the Journal
_Dreaming_ and bibliographic searches for the ASD newsletter and
the Magazine Dream Time. Also, many articles from these
publications are available. Conference schedules give a clue to
the latest research and innovations. But the ASD Web site is
more than a warehouse for research titles. We have two extremely
beautiful dream inspired art galleries, the winners of the annual
dream art show. We have discussions online at every level, from
high academia to grassroots. We have reviews of dozens of films
that involve dreaming. And as mentioned above, you can even order
books and
other dream related products online.
The Association for the Study of Dreams
ASD - P.O. Box 1600 - Vienna, VA - 22183 - Phone: (703)-242-0062
Fax:(703)-242-8888 - Email asdreams@aol.com - www.asdreams.org
>>>>>>> Symposium: "DREAMING AND CONSCIOUSNESS"
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/3953/
Vienna, 10. - 12. June 1998
Info & Reservations: Dr. Brigitte Holzinger.
Tel./Fax: +43-1-319 90 42
email: brigitte.holzinger@univie.ac.at
The topic of Dreaming is unconsciously asleep in Vienna. To come
to a better understanding of dreaming and consciousness this
interdisciplinary symposium draws from different perspectives,
such as Neurophysiology, Psychology, Philosophy & the Arts.
"Dreaming & Consciousness" is our topic for three nights and two
days of presentations and discussions. The interdisciplinary
approach to "Dreaming & Consciousness" promises new impetuses for
various disciplines, such as Neurophysiology, Psychology,
Psychotherapy, Philosophy, Religious Studies, and the Arts
including Film.
>>>>>>> Dreamgates: Journeys to Inner and Other Worlds
Friday, May 15, 7:30-9:30 pm
Unity Church of Fairfax, VA
Shamanic dream explorer Robert Moss offers a rousing invitation
to "the most rewarding of all forms of travel." Learn how to use
your dreams as doorways to worlds beyond physical reality that
have been the goal of shamanic traditions throughout history.
Through dream travel, you can safely journey beyond the body and
space-time, explore parallel universes, encounter departed loved
ones and wise other worldly beings and recover knowledge that
belonged to you before you entered this life experience. Cost is
$10 per person. For more information, contact the Association for
the Study of Dreams, 703-242-0062, P.O. box 1600RM, Vienna, VA
22183.
>>>>>>> The Council of All Beings Earth Day Event and Benefit
Friday evening, May 1 and Saturday day, May 2
For Information Call: The
DreamWheel (978) 369-2634
The Council of All Beings is an Earth Day event and a benefit
sponsored by The DreamWheel in Concord, to be held on May 1 and
2. The Council of All Beings is a series of exercises and rituals
created by deep ecologists John Seed and Joanna Macy that help us
to connect with the Earth, with each other, and with our common
concerns in this time of ecological and social crisis. The
workshop helps to end the sense of alienation from the living
Earth that most of us feel and to connect us with new sources of
joy, commitment, and inspiration that allow us to go forward
feeling empowered to take action for our planet. Proceeds will
benefit The DreamWheel and rain forest conservation projects in
Ecuador, India, and the US. Ruth Rosenhek will be facilitating
the event Friday evening, May first and Saturday, May second
The Council of All Beings is a series of re-Earthing rituals
created by John Seed and Joanna Macy to help end the sense of
alienation from the living Earth that most of us feel, and to
connect us with new sources of joy, commitment, and inspiration
that follow from union with our planet. Many people
INTELLECTUALLY realize that we are inseparable from Nature and
that the sense of separation that we feel is illusory. These
rituals enable us to deeply EXPERIENCE our connection with
Nature, in our hearts and our bodies. Through personal sharing,
meditation and ritual, we will explore the depths of our concern
and love for our planet in this time of ecological and social
crisis. Rediscovering our "deep ecology" - our interconnectedness
with all beings - we find empowerment as social and environmental
change agents. The central feature of the workshop is the Council
of All Beings itself where we step aside from our solely human
identification and let other life forms speak through us. In
this gathering, through interactive exercises, guided
,meditations, despair work, and work with body and breath, we
practice letting go of the culturally-conditioned, competitive,
isolated self and come home to our interexistence with all forms
of life. We allow ourselves, through group visualizations, to re-
experience our four-and-a-half-billion-year evolutionary journey
as an integral part of our living planet. By recapitulating our
evolutionary journey in this way, we are able to shed our solely
human identification and feel deep empathy for the myriad species
and landscapes of the Earth. This gathering also provides tools
for practicing deep ecology in our daily lives. As many
participants have discovered, alignment with our larger identity
clarifies, dignifies, and heals our personal conflicts. We see
that the pain of the Earth is our own pain and the fate of the
Earth is our own fate. The Council of All Beings empowers us to
act on behalf of the Earth and gives us clarity and direction for
this work.
JOHN SEED, is founder and director of the Rainforest Information
Centre in Australia. Since 1979 he has been engaged in the
struggle to protect the world's rainforests through the creation
of benign and sustainable
development projects for indigenous inhabitants tied to the
protection of
their forests. With Joanna Macy, Pat Fleming, and Professor Arne
Naess, he wrote "Thinking Like A Mountain - Towards A Council of
All Beings" (New Society Publishers) which has now been
translated into 10 languages.
Facilitator RUTH ROSENHEK is a deep ecologist activist,
organizational
consultant and performance artist. Ruth facilitates the Council
of All Beings and other workshops that help to dispel the
illusion of separation
between humans, the Earth, and all Beings. In her work with
environmental
and social change organizations, Ruth offers deep ecology and
community building processes that acknowledge the emotional and
spiritual aspects of
our work. Ruth dedicates herself to the Earth as she focuses on
bridging
movements and bringing people together in common cause to create
a sustainable and caring future.
>>>>>>> Integrating Dreamwork into Your Psychotherapy Practice
Sandy Ginsberg, M.S., M.F.C.C. will be facilitating a four hour
workshop in the Los Angeles area. The focus is "INTEGRATING
DREAMWORK INTO YOUR PSYCHOTHERAPY PRACTICE," and is directed to a
population of therapists, interns and students. It will be
happening at the CSUN (California State University - Northridge)
campus on Saturday, June 6th, 1998 from 9am to 1pm. Four hours of
C.E.U.s are approved by the BBS. For further information and to
register with CSUN, call Estee Diamond M.S., M.F.C.C. at (818)
677-2549.
>>>>>>> CALL FOR DREAMJOURNEYS and SPECIAL INVITATION TO
DREAMJOURNEY CIRCLE
Greetings, dreamers! I am writing a book titled Dreamjourneys:
Dreams of Spiritual Awakening, and invite you to share your
personal spiritual dream experiences for possible inclusion.
A dreamjourney is a dream that the dreamer knows is "more than
just a dream," a dream that is direct contact with Spirit. This
includes precognitive, healing, creative, soul journey,
initiation and divine message dreams. My book presents the theory
that dreamjourneys, because they are actual, real sacred journeys
and messages, do not need to be "interpreted." Thus, applying a
symbolic Freudian or Jungian interpretation method to them is
less useful than simply recognizing them as sleeping visions and
accepting them as shamanic journeys and sacred gifts.
Dreamjourneys that are clear examples of each type will be
included in the book. There is no minimum or maximum guideline
for number of words; just tell your dreamjourney story in your
own words, detailing the dream as precisely as you can, tell when
you had it, how it changed your life, what it meant to you, what
you learned from it. Indicate if you wish to be credited by name,
by pseudonym (your choice or my concoction) or anonymously. There
is no compensation. Leave me your email and snail mail address,
please. (phone # is optional)
I would also be interested in hearing your successful methods of
remembering dreams, and manifesting more spiritual dreams (such
as your methods of purification, incubation, prayer, ritual,
affirmations, etc.).
Please mail your submissions to shaman@sirius.com
Thank you, and many blessings for sweet dreams.
Journey well. Ho! - Sage Healing Wolf
Sage Healing Wolf is a shaman, writer and student of Spirit who
teaches Dreamjourney Circles, Love Magic, Sacred Silliness,
KidSpirit Camp and shamanism classes. Coauthor of the tantric
sensual game "Passion Play!," published poet and journalist, Sage
is currently collecting and writing a book on dreamjourneys. She
can be reached at (510) 653-7293 or shaman@sirius.com.
INVITATION:
SHAMANIC DREAMJOURNEY CIRCLE
Through shamanic ritual, discussion and direct dreamjourney
experience, this unique monthly dream group will completely
catalyze your dreamworld experiences, enhancing your spiritual
power on your own path, bringing greater healing sacred medicine
of the Dream Spirits into your waking life.
The first Saturday of each month, we will explore dreamjourneys,
dreams of spiritual awakening. Dreamjourney Circle will be held
in Emeryville, CA and occasionally at a sacred retreat in the
Sierras (dates to be announced).
Our sacred circle will begin at 5 p.m. Saturday evening with
creation of sacred space. Each month, Sage will lead a
transformative workshop on Dreamjourneys. Topics will include:
What Is a Dreamjourney?
Dreamjourneys from a Multicultural Shamanic Perspective
Types of Dreamjourneys
Benefits of Dreamjourneys
Dreamjourneys and Lucid Dreams
Increasing Dream Recall
Manifesting Dream Journeys
After the workshop, we will enjoy a potluck dinner to share the
Earth's blessings and create sacred community. Next, we will do
ritual, shamanic journeying, drumming and magickal dance to lead
us directly to the Spirit world, calling upon spirits of East,
South, West, North, Above, Below, Center, the ancestors, our
totems, and all of our Dream Spirits to guide us and gift us with
a dreamjourney that night. Each month we will explore different
shamanic methods of dream incubation. We will be woken twice
during the night at intervals during which we are most likely to
be dreaming. We will record our dreams. Sunday morning, we will
give a ritual of thanks then share and honor our dreams and
dreamjourneys. "Regular" dreams will be interpreted using
standard Jungian methods such as symbolic imagery, archetypes,
and amplification. Dreamjourneys will be validated as sacred
gifts - their wisdom applied to our lives in full integration of
Body, Mind, Heart and Spirit. We will enjoy a light breakfast to
ground and reconnect with the Body and Earth.
This is an experiential spiritual group in which participants
will actually do ritual, drum, dance, and deepen connection with
personal spirit guides including totems and Dream Spirits.
SHAMANIC JOURNEYINGTRANCEDANCE
DRUMMING and more
Thi s is a brand-new group so the cost is very low to make it
possible for you to join us. Only $40-100 sliding scale includes
overnight accommodations , all ritual and workshop materials,
and light breatkfast Sunday morning. Sierra retreat Dream
Circles fee may be higher to pay for use of sacred site.
(Bring a sleeping bag, pillow, etc.) Space is limited , and this
group will be sealed at 12 dreamjourneyers , so register early.
To register, call SAGE at 510-653-7293 , mail your 50% or
greater payment to Taylor Kingsley 1678 Shattuck Ave. #275,
Berkeley CA 94709 or email shaman@sirius.com with the following
information:
Name
Address
e-mail addresss
Phone #
"Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream."
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>>>>>> Book Research Request : Animal Dreams
Have you had dreams about: Fish, worms, salamanders, cats,
wolves? If so, I would like to include them in my next book. You
can have our name or pen name in the book, but for a quick phone
interview I will need your name, address and phone. Please send
1. Dream 2. What you feel it means 3. A little life context, who
you are, what's going on. Sent dream and info to Pat at
fish@dreamgate.com
>>>>>>> Looking for Material on Prophetic Dreams
I'm doing a research paper on Prophetic dreams and am having some
trouble
finding material. I already have the primary sources of the
Bible and the Koran, but I am limited on secondary sources and
that is what I need. So far I found a man name Josephus who has
much to say on prophetic dreams, but I need other people's
opinions. So if you know any books or websites that you can
recommend I would greatly appreciate it Thanks Sobia
asm212@is8.nyu.edu
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>>>>> Dreamquest
www.pipeline.com/~aislinn
Dreamquest! is dedicated the Art of Dreamwalking (Lucid
Dreaming, Astral Projection and the Out of Body Experience.)
These are seen not as different phenomena but rather different
destinations. Using the motif of a medieval quest, an approach
called Dream Alchemy is taught. The goal is to assist any
interested party in learning the skill of Dreamwalking. Once they
are "out and about" in
the Dreamtime, they can follow their own "Dreamquest" and
develop their own theories about what it all means.
>>>>>> DreamThread Redesign
DreamThread On line Dream Interpretation Service is excited to
announce a complete redesign of our site. The site at
http://www.dreamthread.com features a new service DreamMagination
and a subscriber program. We continue to post dreams weekly, host
an online radio show and we are continuing to collect dreams
about Princess Diana which we are collecting for a research
project and book. Those who would like to make contact can email
ariadne@dreamthread.com. or write:
DreamThread
Box 5842 NDCBU
Taos, NM 87571
>>>>>>> Dream Narratives from Witty Girls
"Stories From Beneath the Rock: Dream Narratives" is a collection
of sci-fi type stories based entirely on real dreams of web
author Kate Rowlands. She's just started the site, and there are
only 2 stories so far, but she plan to add more as she gets time
to upload them. The address is:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/5661/. The site is called
Witty Girls Place, but as the dream story aspect evolves, that
name may change.
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. May 7-10, in Sudbury, MA
Dream Intensive with Robert Bosnak. For more information, contact
rbosnak@mindspring.com
May 10-11 in The Netherlands
"Dream Theater by Alice Groeneveld "Energycenter DE HURNSE GAPER
in HURWENEN (Jannesstr. 1, 5327 KR tel. 0418-516114). price
fl. 57.50 to 77.50 depending on income/salary. For more
information, contact Hanny Lynch, Steur 36, 2989 SH Ridderkerk,
Telephone 0180 - 426836
May 11-15 in San Anselmo, CA
"Spiritual Discernment through Dreaming" with Kelly Bulkeley. A
one-week advanced seminar for spiritual directors, San Francisco
Theological Seminary. For more information, call 415-258-6583)
May 15, in Oakton, VA
"Dreamgates: Journeys to Inner and Other Worlds", with dream
explorer Robert Moss. Cost is $10 per person. For more
information, contact the Association for the Study of Dreams,
703-242-0062, P.O. box 1600RM, Vienna, VA 22183.
May 16 in Novato, CA
"Hypnotic Dreamwork", a BADG workshop, featuring Randall
Churchill. For more information, contact Eric Snyder at 707-824-
9121.
May 16, in Berkeley, CA
"Intuitive Healing: Accessing Your Inner Physician", Facilitated
by Marcia Emery, PhD. Participants will learn how to: use your
own intuitive stethoscope for self diagnosis, discover how to
reverse a health challenge, cope effectively with stressful
situation in your personal or professional life and recognize-
listen to-and interpret the wisdom from a healing dream. Further
information: 510/526-5510; FAX 510/526-9555 email:
PowerHunch@aol.com
May 16, in Oakton, VA
Dreamgates: A Journey into Shamanic Dreaming, with author Robert
Moss. Cost is $75-$85 per person. For more information, contact
the Association for the Study of Dreams, 703-242-0062, P.O. box
1600RM, Vienna, VA 22183.
May 20: Kathleen Sullivan of Dreams: Another Way of Knowing radio
show on KAZU Pacific Grove will interview Ann Klein, creator of
Interactive Dreaming at 9:00 p.m. PST.
May 31: Linda McKenzie of Creative Health and Spirit radio show
on CRN and Wisdom Channel (syndicated to 500 stations) will
interview Ann Klein, creator of Interactive Dreaming at 9:00 a.m.
PST.
June 6 in Northridge, CA
"Integrating Dreamwork into Your Psychotherapy Practice",
facilitated by Sandy Ginsberg, M.S., M.F.C.C. For further
information and to register, call Estee Diamond M.S., M.F.C.C. at
(818) 677-2549.
June 10 - 12, in Vienna, Austia
Symposium, "Dreaming and Consciousness". For more information,
visit http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/3953/ or contact
Dr. Brigitte Holzinger., Tel./Fax: +43-1-319 90 42
email: brigitte.holzinger@univie.ac.at
June 13 in San Francisco, CA
"Networking and Dreamsharing", a BADG workshop. For more
information, contact Shirlee Martin at 415-564-2627.
June 14 - 19 in Big Sur, CA
Movement and Dreamwork Seminar, co-led by Robert Bosnak and
Joanne Segal, at Esalen. For more information, contact
rbosnak@mindspring.com
June 20 , in Berkeley, CA
"Intuitive Healing: Accessing Your Inner Physician", Facilitated
by Marcia Emery, PhD. Participants will learn how to: use your
own intuitive stethoscope for self diagnosis, discover how to
reverse a health challenge, cope effectively with stressful
situation in your personal or professional life and recognize-
listen to-and interpret the wisdom from a healing dream. Further
information: 510/526-5510; FAX 510/526-9555 email:
PowerHunch@aol.com
June 22-28 in Oahu, HI
15th Annual Association for the Study of Dreams Conference, at
Brigham Young University - Laie, Oahu, Hawaii. For more
information, contact the ASD at P.O. Box 1600, Vienna, VA 22183.
Phone: (703)-242-0062 Fax:(703)-242-8888, or visit the website
at http://www.asdreams.org
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== D R E A M S S E C T I O N == ED V5 N4 ==
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D R E A M S SECTION INDEX BY BOB K. (For ED V5 N4)
Hi there! Welcome to ELECTRIC DREAMS - DREAMS SECTION for
Vol. 5 Number 4 - April 1998.
Hi there dreamers! This month brings us a slimmer group of
dreams and commentary than usual. Stan K. shares a sad ending to
a relationship, and a couple dreamers inquire about death in
dreams - the ultimate symbol for endings. DreamBat flies and
flutters in the innerspace of dreams. Maria, Island, Richard,
Heratheta and DrD share their dream insights and encouragement.
Fears (faceless figures and childhood traps), problems and
dilemmas rise to the top this month. A request for shared dreams
from the Virgin Islands to help guide a difficult decision is
shared, and feedback arrives from Sweden and South Africa.
Enjoy your visit to the pages of Electric Dreams.
NEW CATEGORIES:
BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent
records)
EDITORIAL:
CHANGES
As I walked in my home on a Friday evening a couple weeks ago, I
was surprised to see my daughter at home. She is currently
living on Campus at a College nearby. "I'm OK Dad. Nothing
happened to me...I think!" "What happened?" I asked. "Well, I was
in an auto accident, and they had to tow my car away," she
replied. It turns out her car was caught in a sandwich between a
sports utility vehicle and a Cadillac, and ended up smashed
beyond repair late that afternoon. Fortunately, her older Buick
was a car with some body strength to it, and she did not sustain
any apparent injury.
All it took was one second of time, and that vehicle was history.
It died that afternoon. Most changes in our lives are long in
coming and natural outgrowths of a process of development.
However, we are still subject to sudden intrusions of fate and
forces beyond our comprehension from time to time. Fortunately,
in this case it was just a vehicle that was lost - which can be
replaced, unlike a life. Yet even when lives are lost, we need to
readjust our own lives and redirect our efforts in our own paths
through life. In many dreams, the apparent death is of a vehicle
or part of us which is going or gone, most often with sadness but
sometimes with an underlying sense of joy or freedom. With every
ending, a door opens for a new beginning. New directions and new
frontiers open before us which we may never have approached if
things had not changed. Change is painful, but we need to make
the most of it and continue our journey. Dreams help make us
aware of the problems along the way, and often can guide us along
the journeys difficult moments.
THANKS
As usual thanks to all the dreamers and dream commentators for
sharing a little bit of their internal reality with a larger
community.
FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS
== Commentary from Barbro in Sweden (980402) ==
== Commentary from Judy in South Africa (980406) ==
== Subject: Dream Healing Request (980415) ==
COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES
** Dream: Slumming by Dreambat (980316) **
== Commentary by Heratheta on Dreambat's Dreams (980321) ==
NEW DREAMS:
PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or
send them in before it happens, if you can]
REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature]
** Dream: Coed Bathroom - reoccurring by BU (980322)**
== Commentary by Richard on Coed Bathroom Dream (980321) ==
** Dream: dying by ? (980407) **
** Dream: Faceless Figure & Locked Closet (980406) **
DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on
our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a
trace on our physical reality?]
DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to
others]
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE
BIRTH [Starts]
CHILDHOOD [Early development]
ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]
ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]
OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]
DEATH [Endings]
** Dream: The Mausoleum March ? (980409) **
COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits]
==========================================
==========================================
AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths]
**Dream:"Almost Killed by Sister's Friend" by Saved-one(980324)**
ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions]
AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality]
** Dream: Digital Dreaming by T (980419) **
(See Dr.D's comments under RELIGIOUS RELATED)
ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions]
ANIMALS [Basic Instincts]
BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]
BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were]
BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent
records)
[As a book lover and collector, how has this subject not come up
before? Check out the Dream Bookstore book under PROBLEMS]
BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there]
CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]
CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we
participate in]
COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes]
COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols]
COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication]
CULTS [Somewhere out there ...]
DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South,
East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left,
make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil,
cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions
carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the
path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!]
== Commentary by Heratheta on various (980322) ==
(party drm, dante drm, mother drm, toilet drm)
== Commentary by Heratheta on water sking drm (980328) ==
== Commentary by Heratheta on bkstr drm & chlkbrd drm (980403) ==
== Commentary by Heratheta on dying drm (980409) ==
== Commentary by Heratheta on mausoleum drm (980412) ==
== Commentary by Heratheta on virgin islands (980423)==
DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]
DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming]
(See PROBLEMS for a dream on a Dream Book)
DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]
EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure]
ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...]
ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]
**Dream: "Interstate Escape" by ? (980326) **
EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...]
FEAR [What scares us]
** Dream: "Ghosts" by ? (980325) **
** Dream: childhood dream by ? (980404) **
== Commentary by Heratheta on faceless (980405) ==
FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]
FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation]
FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]
** Dream: Dream web - by dreambat (980411) **
GIFTS [Offerings to or from others]
HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS
HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...]
HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]
HOUSE [Where our lives take place]
HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location]
JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations]
** Dream: 'The Dream' by V (980401) **
== Commentary by Maria on A Dream by V(980403)==
== Commentary by Island on 'The Dream' by V (980403)==
LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]
LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the
dreamer]
LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]
LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming]
MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue
of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves
the process of recollection.]
MIRRORS [Reflection of Self]
MUSIC [Melodies of the land within]
NUDITY [What you see is what you get]
PERFORMERS [Entertainers]
PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices]
** Dream: "Dream Bookstore" by Dreambat (980401) **
== Commentary by Maria on Dream Bookstore by DreamBat (980403) ==
POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power]
RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which
constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often
influencing how we relate to the outside world]
** Dream: farewell, annie by Stan K (980419) **
RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]
== Commentary by DrD on "Digital Dreaming- T" (980424) ==
ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials]
SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]
STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower]
TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have
questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the
spectrum of possibilities.]
TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature]
TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or
imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations]
VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle]
WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing]
WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]
WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]
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DREAM SERIES
(None this month)
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FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS
== Commentary from Barbro in Sweden (980402) ==
Hello, Bob
Thank you for publishing the dreams....and also for the enormous
work you and your fellow men spend in time, to our global
communication through the world.
My email address gaiety@algonet.se... is not going to change.
So, please delete the other address gaiety@mail.bip.net. for
it's not valid.
With best regards from Barbro N. in Sweden
[Thank you Barbro for sharing your dreams - BK]
== Commentary from Judy in South Africa (980406) ==
From: JB
To: bobkrum@erols.com
Subject: reading about dreams
Hi,
You wrote:
>I wonder sometimes how many people really read the dreams
section of our issues<, I've wondered this a few times myself. I
do read it - usually when I'm waiting for something to download
or staying connected because I'm expecting a message from a
friend late at night..... but generally I don't find other
people's dreams very interesting.
I find my own dreams very interesting and the dreams of people
I'm close to (like my son) because I'm involved in their lives
and can appreciate the personalised symbolism. Somehow the dreams
of a stranger are like hearing snippets about their lives. Unless
related to something which I am experiencing or interested in at
the time, it doesn't mean much.
In fact I think collecting dreams together for publishing is
somewhat like collecting 'life experiences' together for
publishing. Far too broad a subject. The categorisation helps a
bit but navigating to interesting bits is not too easy.
I'm not sure if there is a point to this missive. I just felt
like sharing my thoughts. Anyway, keep up the hard work because I
do find odd things of interest buried in the haystack now and
then. Thanks.
Judy B
Johannesburg.
[Thanks for the feedback Judy. You may find the new alternative
of an HTML version more "navigable" than the email version. -
BK]
Subject: fwd: Dream Healing this Weekend
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:11:50 EDT
Subj:dream request for this weekend
Date:4/15/98 3:44:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:alex@islands.vi
Sender:root@intuition.org
Reply-to:dreams@intuition.org
To:DREAMS@intuition.org (Multiple recipients of list DREAMS)
Cameron Hall is seeking help from dreamers to deal with her
cancer. We are seeking healing dreams for her over the weekend
of April 18-19 for report on April 20th.
Camie is 47 years old and a mother of three young children. She
has an incurable form of cancer called Mantle Cell Lymphoma, it
is lymph system cancer. She had a lump on her leg and later found
other lumps. The doctors did a series of tests to confirm the
type of cancer and concluded it is this form of cancer. We are
not struggling to get a diagnosis. We have second and third
opinions.
She is trying to decide what course of action to follow. Her
choices are to enter an experiment with a new drug, take the old
fashioned treatment that is not very effective or do nothing.
Doing nothing means she is dead within about 2 years. Doing one
of the protocols involved six months of hell and possibly getting
a year or two added to life. No one survives more than 5 years
with this cancer.
She can elect to take one of a number of experimental protocols
that might make the tumors shrink, disappear or go away forever.
No one knows that one is specifically better than any of the
others. All of them involve unpleasant periods of taking painful
therapy. One requires months of chemo therapy with loss of hair,
appetite and major body pains followed by full body irradiation,
and a bone marrow transplant or stem cell transplants. Another
option is to take a milder Chemo therapy with a newly discovered
monoclonal antibody - Rituxan.
At the same time she is looking for a new vision of her life that
will help animate her will to live. She is an accomplished horse
woman, competing in horse events and winning. (state champ as a
teen) She is a master of economics and finance, and owned of a
real estate "empire" that collapsed just prior to her cancer. She
needs a new view of life. She needs to decide which therapy to
pursue or not.
Home is a small island off the south coast of St. Thomas in the
US Virgin Islands, paradise, but the hospitals are not ready for
her issues and can not help, so she is also contemplating moving
to a location close to a hospital that can treat her. Options
include Houston, Miami area, and Boston.
You will all face death. It is not necessarily far away. This
could be you. So let her anguish give you a chance to explore
death and how you will confront the inevitable.
I am asking the dream group to focus some time and attention on
the image of this woman - Take your choice - focus on the
decision about what path to take in therapy and/or dream a dream
that will help her find a new vision of her life.
I have attached a form you can use to report your dream and I
will send it to the list as a separate post as well, with the
Subject - Dream for Cameron Hall
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Dreams for Cameron Hall - Cancer Therapy or New Vision
Name of Dreamer:
Date of Dream:
Text of dream:
Most outstanding Element :
Main Action Verb:
Mood of the Dream:
Primary Irony:
Any element that does not fit the whole:
Any pun, metaphor or allegory that springs to mind:
The "Aha!" element for you:
COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES
** Dream: Slumming by Dreambat (980316) **
I'm going home. I go through a part of town near the hill. Its
a little hidden away suburban area. I stop in and chat with a
black family there. The guy has plans for his family and life and
is doing very well. I think his wife is very attractive and they
seem matched for one another. I leave and drive through some
horrid slums. There is one particular tunnel I have to get
through where there is a blind spot and I can't control and see
that part of the road. I might get robbed there. I'm tense as I
drive through, but nothing happens, I come out on the main road.
Notes by dreambat: I take this dream to mean I am trying to
draw into my life transition some parts that don't normally get
the attention they deserve. (the black family with plans).
None-the-less, I fear the parts that are just too repressed
(slums) to bring them along, to get past them. And yet to just
leave them behind doesn't work for me either. This is a dark part
of my path, (or right off my path) and at places I have no
control over it.
== Commentary by Heratheta on Dreambat's Dreams (980321) ==
Subject: dreambat's river and slummin drm
river dream "kind of" and slummin drm "seem" could have been
avoided in the peace of certainty to the right of left of the
river area and then to the right or left of family in the slummin
dream. the big mo,momentum, and its effect on us or flies is
equally important to comprehend in order to realize turning
around is not just turning ourselves but a turgid affair. guilt
and blame depression for not being where we believe we should be
is not seeing the connections we have. in practicing movement in
martial arts a technique to develope more sensitivity to to see
connections is to move slow enough to feel the air around us
washing over each movement ot the body. the dream is a
heightened sense of the connections' momentum while soul is
trying to move 90 degrees from those connections. the resultant
compromise is nevertheless important too. some of us carry more
connections sometimes than others but to me the experience often
feels humbling as a fly's looks.
NEW DREAMS:
PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or
send them in before it happens, if you can]
REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature]
** Dream: Coed Bathroom - reoccurring by BU (980322)**
What does it mean when I have reoccurring dreams (for a couple of
years) about a coed bathroom in a public place (usually a mall)
and I am always on the commode and there are always a lot of
people around (men and women)? (Funny, huh?)
== Commentary by Richard on Coed Bathroom Dream (980321) ==
I can't say what your dream means to you, but if this were my
dream...
In my dream I feel like I'm close to exposing my personal
psychological issues in public. The public will see my shit, so
to speak. Just who this particular public is I don't know. It
could be a literal public, like an office or family situation,
but this seems to be in a mall, which is a very complex public
place. Generally its a place where a lot of exhanges takes place.
Looks, money, drugs, girlfriends, boyfriends, grease, food,
surveys, hey, even Santa now lives at the mall. I think my mall
is a metaphor for contemporary public space in general. For me,
its a place where they almost have everything I would want, but
upon actual purchase, its never very satisfying and low quality.
This is changing and many malls now sport high end items and
higher quality materials. It is really a hard place for any of us
to work our shit out.
The co-ed thing is odd. For me I take this to mean I am bringing
together opposites in my soul or dream. Generally I wouldn't
think a mall is a good place to bring these opposites together.
But the reoccuring nature seems to indicate that this is were it
is just asking to happen.
- Richard
** Dream: dying by ? (980407) **
Dream Title dying
Date of Dream 3-30-98
For the last week I have had the same dream about dying. I
seems that I have a certain number of things that have to be just
right and then I am in line to die. I keep getting close and
then I wake up. Last night I completed all of the steps and was
prepared to die and just could not and wait for the end. I felt
like i was awake trough all of the dream and felt very life like.
** Dream: Faceless Figure & Locked Closet (980406) **
hi, i am writing this to you, to see if you may be able to help
me in finding out why I am constantly having the same childhood
dream night after night. Does a figure with no face symbolize
anything?
In this dream i am locked in a closet to my bedroom and I am only
7 years old.These dreams have made me force myself out of them
and leave me not wanting to lie down to go to sleep. Please write
back if you know how to help me.....
DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on
our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a
trace on our physical reality?]
DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to
others]
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE
BIRTH [Starts]
CHILDHOOD [Early development]
ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]
ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]
OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]
DEATH [Endings]
** Dream: The Masoleum March ? (980409) **
Dream Title The Masoleum March
Date of Dream 3-7-98
Dream
This is a dream I had a few weeks ago maybe
someone can help me with this.
In my dream, I lived with my adoptive grandparents. (I didn't
know this in my dream, but this is the conclusion that I came to
after I woke up.) My Grandfather had died and it was his
funeral. we (the family) walked into this huge mosoleum,
complete with red carpet and white marble walls. I followed the
procession into a room deep within the mosoleum and walked into
the crypt where my grandfather would be laid to rest finally.
But the odd thing about this crypt is that it was set up as if it
were his room back at home. there were dressers, with pictures
and on the bed lay my grandfather covered by an old patchwork
quilt. My grandmother was all set to start turning the crank
that would let the coffin top down on top of my grandfather body
when he started to twich and got up and called my name. He then
took me to the side and spoke something to me. I can't totally
remember what the exact words were, but I know the purpose was to
keep my grandmother on this earth so she could keep adopting
children. (something about cheating the devil so he couldn't get
her soul.)
I then walked out and went into an auditorium that was connected
to the masoleum. in the auditorium were tons of children
marching in little groups, as if there was some sort of pagent
and all the groups were parading for the audience. I noticed
that the children when they marched out they always turned left,
bowed to the north and then proceeded to bow to the east. I then
left and went into the Mosoleum kitchen where I saw a scroll
that had pictures instead of words(almost as if they were
hieroglyphics) on the scroll at the top there was a dead
spider, which I took to be my grandfather. There were a few
other lines and shapes and then at the bottom I noticed that
there was another spider that was dead also, it was then I
realized that my grandmother had died also. apparently when I
left here alone to lower the top of the coffin on my grandfather,
she had died of a broken heart.
This is all I remember of this particular dream. but the
concept of death and namely cemeteries pervade my dreams. could
someone out there give me some clue?
COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits]
==========================================
==========================================
AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths]
**Dream:"Almost Killed by Sister's Friend" by Saved-one(980324)**
I had a dream that my sisters friend was trying to kill me , but
I was saved by this boy whom I was in a relationship with.
ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions]
AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality]
** Dream: Digital Dreaming by T (980419) **
I had a dream once, that I was in the movie Tron, riding one of
the motor cycles, and I was the blue guy, racing all over the
place, inside a computer just having a blast, then I was flying
in one of the ships, firing at one of those big things with the
two legs that were bad, and blowing them up to nothing. I have
had several dreams, but this was the best and most fun. It has
been with me for years. Thanks T.
(See Dr.D's comments under RELIGIOUS RELATED)
ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions]
ANIMALS [Basic Instincts]
BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]
BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were]
BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent
records)
[As a book lover and collector, how has this subject not come up
before? Check out the Dream Bookstore book under PROBLEMS]
BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there]
CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]
CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we
participate in]
COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes]
COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols]
COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication]
CULTS [Somewhere out there ...]
DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South,
East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left,
make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil,
cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions
carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the
path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!]
== Commentary by Heratheta on various (980322) ==
(party drm, dante drm, mother drm, toilet drm)
i like the east northeast and west northwest today for peace
party drm-'are you sure"
dante drm-'Very'
mother drm-'doesn't see or hear'
toilet drm-'lot'
all above could have found peace to the right or left of of the
dream locations experienced in the above as they would have
avoided the enquoted behaviors in themselves, their thoughts and
those of others. also it is not always easy to take the right or
left soul path always but before you go to sleep some of you may
try sleeping with your head directed toward the soul path, that
is to the right or left of the night before's dream location
== Commentary by Heratheta on saved drm & plane drm (980326) ==
saved drm-'was in a relationship with'
plane drm-"could have"
seeking peace to the right or left of these dreams, the boy, and
the back of the house, would have afforded better environs for
purging the enquoted conditions above from the dreamers' thoughts
and deeds,and furthermore going to sleep with the head pointing
toward the right or left of the boy, and the back of the
house,respectively, would have been a fitting end to a productive
day keeping the path of peace.
== Commentary by Heratheta on water sking drm (980328) ==
people often say drms of falling are most common but drms of
"suddenly" are most commonly related here on the ed-core next are
the dreams of "seems" or "like" anyway; water sking drm-where is
this water place from where you sleepdream this dream? is it
north of where you sleep, south ,east ,west? try to spend time
away from that direction and while you're away try not to be
'sudden' in your thoughts or deeds and be wary of 'suddenness' in
others for that day which follows a dream of 'suddenness' and you
can read about others in history who did not at
www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
today for instance i will try to spend time in the east or west
from where i slept and i know i will find more peace there away
from my dream.
== Commentary by Heratheta on bkstr drm & chlkbrd drm (980403) ==
bookstore dreamer- what's to the right or left of the bookstore
from where you dreamt this dream? can you have sought peace from
the conflict of "making yourself and others uncomfortable"in that
direction?
chalkboard dream-what's to the right or left of the room where
you had to write on the chalkboard from where you dreamt it and
could you have sought peace from the conflict "so" in yourself
and others in that direction? and, did either one of you try
sleeping with your heads directed in the directions mentioned
above the night or sleeptime following these dreams? furthermore
did either one of you have a thought which would have supported
such peace path action as described above or deja vu of the
dreams as a result of the same peace path action ? these are
rhetorical questions to be sure.
== Commentary by Heratheta on dying drm (980409) ==
of course it's "just" that was going to kill you so staying away
from that in yourself and others would have been enough to get
you to your next dream and the next dream should be a little
diffferent in intensity. where these dreams occur geographically
tells you also where not to be gotten "just" enough of by the
death dreams represent.
== Commentary by Heratheta on mausoleum drm (980412) ==
having avoided "odd" in yourself, your thoughts, and others to
the right or left of the mausoleum from where you dreamed this
dream helped world peace and made a peaceful easter for all of us
thanks also for the kind words about
www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ from www.lightworks.com
which has added our www as a link peace rides on
== Commentary by Heratheta on virgin islands (980423)==
we are all helping as we dream, for dreaming is a purging of
sickness. it is following the dream and or letting it reenter the
body which infects all who'd dreamed or will dream. keeping the
theta brainwave state is what many use to escape the conflict of
illness and the only way i know to find peace. it is especially
difficult in a world culture which fosters the very inculcation
of the dream and all its subsequent misery. but dreaming is a
healing, remember, it is when we stop dreaming that we are
pained.
DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]
DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming]
(See PROBLEMS for a dream on a Dream Book)
DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]
EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure]
ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...]
ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]
**Dream: "Interstate Escape" by ? (980326) **
I was in a house that was an amalgam of several houses I have
lived in during my life. I needed to escape; from what exactly I
wasn't sure.
I looked out the back window and saw an aeroplane in flames above
a hill there. There was a chance I could have been on board that
plane.
A former neighbour and one of his friends dropped in to see me
and he could see how shaken up I was. They were leaving on an
interstate car trip and offered to take me along with them. I
accepted.
EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...]
FEAR [What scares us]
** Dream: "Ghosts" by ? (980325) **
Dream Title GHOSTS
Date of Dream 03/25/98
I DREAMED I WAS WATER SKIING AND I NOTICED THERE WERE OLD
POSTS STICKING OUT OF THE WATER WHERE PIERS HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY.
I REMEMBER THINKING THEY WERE DANGEROUS.
SUDDENLY I WAS NO LONGER SKIING BUT UNDER THE WATER AND SITTING
THERE WITH NO SCUBA EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING. I SAW TWO BLOODY MEN
SITTING THERE TOO AND I ASKED THEM WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THEY
HAD A BUCKET WITH THEM AND I KNEW THEY HAD MURDERED SOMEONE. I
WAS VERY SCARED.
THEN AS QUICKLY AS I HAD COME OUT OF THE BOAT, I WAS BACK IN THE
BOAT. SUDDENINGLY ONE OF THE GHOSTLY MEN LEARED OVER OUT OF THE
SKY IN MY FACE AND SAID, "HOW MANY LBS OF CRAWFISH DO YOU WANT"!
I SCREAMED AND WOKE UP.
** Dream: childhood dream by ? (980404) **
Dream Title childhood dream
Date of Dream 4/4/98 2:39 p.m.
i would like to know if a faceless figure means anything in a
particuliar dream. I am having childhood dreams at the age of
33 yrs old. in this dreams i am locked in a closet to my bedroom
trying to get out and can not. this faceless person keeps pulling
me further away from the closet door and is muffling my mouth so
i may not scream.
i hope that someone may be able to help me......
== Commentary by Heratheta on faceless (980405) ==
"keeps" is the key here and it leads me, when i have a dream like
this to take time for something completely different. i'm
spending some peace time in the west southwest although east
noreast is alternately there. don't know where that closet of
your dream is in relationship to where you dreamt it but i'd try
not to spend time there until the next dream.
Comments by Dreamer I DON'T EVEN EAT CRAWFISH!!!!
FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]
FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation]
FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]
** Dream: Dream web - by dreambat (980411) **
While on my way home through a little town or neighborhood, I
stop to rest at a corner. I hang up some notes for a Web site I
am carrying with clothes pins on a bush. I see a car stop beside
the road with a woman and a young girl. For some unknown reason I
start talking with them and they are very friendly. We get off on
the topic of the World Wide Web. The mother knows little about it
but is mildly interested. The child is over-enthusiastic and says
something naive about how all the information in the world can be
found there. I modify the statement a bit for the mother, trying
not to dampen the little girl's enthusiasm.
The mother returns with cookies and milk. I think it is very
odd how friendly they are to me and how she just left me with her
child and went away. She heard I liked cookies and milk. I enjoy
the cookies and then leave them. I wonder if they think I'm a bum
or street person.
I'm getting really pushed to get home on time and begin to
hover and fly. Its a little hard to do so and I worry about it.
"I really shouldn't do anything so wierd this close to home, it
will cause trouble!" I fly by a pet store or grain store. Its
closed as if this were Sunday morning. I notice two huge abalone
shells on the street and think they fill these with grains in the
daytime when the shop is open.
dreambat
GIFTS [Offerings to or from others]
HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS
HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...]
HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]
HOUSE [Where our lives take place]
HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location]
JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations]
** Dream: 'The Dream' by V (980401) **
I was to meet a group of people. As far as I know, I did not
know them. I was met by a man, I assume he was the leader, for
he told me that I was to go into another room to write my story
before I could join the rest of the group. When I entered the
room, on the table was a tray and a large piece of chalk. I was
to take the chalk and scrape it to make a bed on the table in
order to write my story. Once I made a thick covering on the
bottom of this tray, I could then write with this huge, black,
thick baton. But I had to write with my left hand. Needless to
say it was taking awhile just to scrape the chalk. Someone came
in to help me so that I could join the group. She started to
scrape the chalk and we proceed to make a thick bottom, almost
like putting a cake mix in a pan, making sure every inch was
covered. Once that was done, the writing went very quickly.
Once I was done, she told me to blow away the chalk. As I did
that, the words were so clear and clean. As I continued to blow
my breath was just taken away and I could feel my self breathing
and taking gulps. The word that was so clear was control.
Everytime I took a gulp, control would be there. And control was
at the beginning of each paragraph. It was almost like my inner
self telling me to let go and believe and have faith.
== Commentary by Maria on A Dream by V(980403)==
Dear V,
What a terrific dream. It reminds me of the sand-paintings that
are so wonderfully done, only to be erased quickly. If this were
my dream, I would remind myself that my story is beautiful, but
written in sand like a sand-painting, only to be erased and to be
replaced by another beautiful story. As one who has written her
story and had it published, I must say that the feeling about my
story is exactly that. It was beautifully crafted as a sand
painting, but my life has changed constantly, and now I could
rewrite a whole different story and look at my story from quite a
different angle, so I could make a new sand-painting, and little
of it which would not resemble the first story that I wrote.
Therefore, control is definitely not something that has a great
role to play in life as it comes from the conscious intent, and
our unconscious knowing has different plans for us. This of
course would be my take on it if it were my dream.
Maria
== Commentary by Island on 'The Dream' by V (980403)==
I was to meet a group of people. As far as I know, I did not
know them. I was met by a man, I assume he was the leader, for
he told me that I was to go into another room to write my story
before I could join the rest of the group. When I entered the
room, on the table was a tray and a large piece of chalk. I was
to take the chalk and scrape it to make a bed on the table in
order to write my story. Once I made a thick covering on the
bottom of this tray, I could then write with this huge, black,
thick baton. But I had to write with my left hand. Needless to
say it was taking awhile just to scrape the chalk. Someone came
in to help me so that I could join the group. She started to
scrape the chalk and we proceed to make a thick bottom, almost
like putting a cake mix in a pan, making sure every inch was
covered. Once that was done, the writing went very quickly.
Once I was done, she told me to blow away the chalk. As I did
that, the words were so clear and clean. As I continued to blow
my breath was just taken away and I could feel my self breathing
and taking gulps. The word that was so clear was control.
Everytime I took a gulp, control would be there. And control was
at the beginning of each paragraph. It was almost like my inner
self telling me to let go and believe and have faith.
What a beautiful dream! When I began to imagine it being my
dream, it was like I felt very reassured that the Dream Maker was
nudging me on to live life out as fully as I can, to "write my
story," but in the interim, just to remember that the way I might
have to end up writing it might not be the most comfortable or
pleasant way (take a chalk and scrape it; use a thick black
baton, write with my left, though I'm righthanded and so forth)
but I would have someone going through the process (living my
life) with me. Then to think that at some point I would blow it
all away -- the difficulties, the nitty gritty details, the
awkwardness, the struggle, all the things I was trying to exert
power and control over (the process of writing with the chalk),
and then I would really see my life (the words so clear and
clean)..."my breath was just taken away and I could feel my self
breathing and taking gulps"! The dreamer really summed it up very
nicely, "It was almost like my inner self telling me to let go
and believe and have faith." I would only add that it could be I
am summoning up belief and faith in both the living out my life
now (writing the story) and in the letting go (time to see what I
truly wrote)...
Island
LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]
LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the
dreamer]
LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]
LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming]
MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue
of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves
the process of recollection.]
MIRRORS [Reflection of Self]
MUSIC [Melodies of the land within]
NUDITY [What you see is what you get]
PERFORMERS [Entertainers]
PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices]
** Dream: "Dream Bookstore" by Dreambat (980401) **
As I wander through the old shelves in a side room of a active
neighborhood bookstore, I notice how uncomfortable I am having
brought in my own book on dreams. Will I have to explain this a
book I brought in, will it be an issue when I leave, will they
try to make me pay for it. It's a collector's book on dreams and
valuable to me. It has a dark brown leather binding and the pages
are getting very fragile.
A man in his late 20's or early 30's comes into the room and
says to me "So, this is one of the places you hand out!." He
smiles and acts so familiar with me, but I can't recognise or
recall him at all. I smile back, a kind of "yeah, this one of my
places and isn't it nice?" and go back to looking for more old
dream books like the one I brought. I'm a bit distracted now and
notice the other room is getting fuller. I think there is a
meeting or presentation here tonight, maybe a small music
recital. There is a very bohemian feel about the place.
I realize I have left my book somewhere and go over what I just
did. I find it under another book (a pamphlet actually) on a
self. I sigh. Relief. I think about the irony of making this
issue worse by now having it appear as if I actually did get the
book off a shelf here.
end dream
== Commentary by Maria on Dream Bookstore by DreamBat (980403) ==
Dear Dreambat:
If this were my dream, I would explore my ambivalence about
wanting to make my insights on dreams part of posterity and
available to others, and yet wanting to take it back. This
ambivalence is not unfamiliar. Yet, the ambivalence remains. When
in a more bohemian mood, I want to share my insights and dreams.
When more recitent, I want to take everything back.
Maria
POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power]
RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which
constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often
influencing how we relate to the outside world]
** Dream: farewell, annie by Stan K (980419) **
[Stan requests that his name and email be kept with the dream.]
stan kulikowski ii <<stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
DATE : 19 apr 1998 07:02
DREAM : farewell, annie
=( a normal saturday night. my mother and i watched some rented
videos, i tallied up the monthly bills and wrote out the checks.
the visa bill had not arrived yet which worried me a little since
i am already three days late in doing the bills anyway. perhaps
it is lost. i bagged about a 100 comics until i ran out of
backer boards. went to bed around 01:00ish and read until 02:30.
)=
anne marie's new apartment has a strange, alien feel to me. it
is a place that i have never known, with new furniture and fresh
paint, things that i will never know. i guess in breaking up
with me, she needed an all new start, so she left the little
place in sharon to find this one.
i wonder why she called me to come back just this one time. i
had hopes of a reconciliation when i heard her voice and her
request over the phone, but as soon as i saw her, i knew
otherwise. she was still stiff and cold, not allowing me to hold
her or kiss her. i guess this is some exercise in modern
relationships where everyone is supposed to remain dear friends
after the dissolution. a good word that. i feel very dissolved,
standing here fingering her new clean drapery, holding my aching
heart inside with both hands.
i don't know why i had to come all the way to boston, just for
this.
annie comes in from one of the other rooms where i have not been
invited. "i wanted to be sure that all your things were properly
returned to you," she tells me. she had given me
back all the
little things i had left at her old apartment- several pair of
socks, a shirt or two, the extra toothbrush i left on her
bathroom sink. a pathetic little bundle in a brown paper bag.
all there was of me in her life, now looking like trash.
"i wish you had just thrown them away." i tell her. this is not
very easy for me. the silver medallion that she gave, now hangs
very heavy around my neck.
"and i wanted to let you know that i am seeing someone else." of
course, i knew that was coming too. she always was rather up
front when she saw other men. i would rather not have heard
about this either, but women always seemed to sense that weakness
in me and knew how to drive it home.
"he is on his way over here, now, so you had better go."
"yes, i had better go. i do not feel very comfortable here." i
mutter with flat affect. fumbling for the door handle, i manage
to get out the door before my heart starts to seize in dread. i
will never see her again.
"good bye, stan" i hear her say behind me.
it takes a while for me to recover enough to drive. what
actually spurs me into action is another car coming in the front
entry of the parking lot. i fire up the engine and leave through
the back into the alley in the pouring rain. if that is the new
boyfriend coming for his date, i would rather not see him.
besides, i am to meet bill and paul for lunch before we drive
back the ninety miles to the university. the sky is as grey and
wet as i feel.
later i am sitting in the waffle house, while the other two men
talk between themselves. they seem to understand my depression
and make with the usual dry talk, not expecting me to respond.
the food comes, but it is tasteless, even the maple syrup. i toy
with the pancakes and try to eat.
then across the room, i see exactly what i did not want to.
annie is sitting in a booth with some man. he is younger than
her, short hair and clean lines. why is it that we have to see
the very thing we dread the most? there must be some law which
makes us endure what we can least tolerate: a sense of drama to
the universe. perhaps this karma is intended to toughen us up on
the principle that that which does not kill us, makes us
stronger.
i take as much of this as i can stand, then i excuse myself from
the table. bill and paul hardly even notice. as i head out for
the door, i can feel it when annie looks at me. a tangible touch
on my back as her eyes move over to me. i do not look around,
but i know that i have not gotten away unseen as i wanted. damn,
nothing is going my way today.
but outside, i see that the rain is breaking up and broad beams
of sunlight are slanting down through patches of blue. not much
blue, but enough to see that clear sky does exist above the
gloom. there is an open field across the road and a path that
leads into some trees.
when i get to the forest area, i find a small bird has gotten
tangled in some branches. i do not understand how it managed to
do so, but some thorny brambles have ensnared its wing.
carefully i pull the branches away from its trapped wing so it
can fly away. i watch it zoom away in the trees without looking
back. at least i feel that my presence here was not totally
wasted. some good, even a small one, has come of this.
i walk a little further. it feels better to be out in the open
with the wet foliage and the slightly crisp air after the rain.
i still feel that leaden weight inside, but at least the sharp
ache has blunted a little.
but not for long. nature abhors a vacuum, i guess. i hear some
foot steps and turn to find that anne marie has followed me into
the woods. this is not like her, she never was very oriented to
outdoors and nature. a city girl, always with people around.
"i thought i would find you out here, sulking off by yourself."
she says to me.
"so? you got other things to do, so go do them. if i want to be
alone, i have a right to it."
"i do not understand why you are like this." she says with a
sigh "my mother told me that she is a repairman and would fix
this if i let her."
i do not understand what that last statement meant, but the guy
that annie was with comes up to indicate that he is going to
leave. she waves him away. suddenly i realize that she no
longer has a way to get home. in my chest, the weighted feeling
starts to flutter, like hope struggling to become joy but part of
it can not transform and a large part says, no this can not be
true. i know how that bird felt just before the branches parted.
=( 06:45 i wake feeling rather depressed. the weighted sinking
feeling of this dream has stayed with me for some reason. no
particular associations with this. not all of the descriptions
of anne marie are accurate here, but the general feelings are.
)=
RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]
== Commentary by DrD on "Digital Dreaming- T" (980424) ==
Oh! what a wonderful dream, thank YOU. Very interestingly, I also
a few years back had a dream where I was also in Tron.
Unfortunately, I did not write it down... and my memory lost all
its details.
However, I realise that the people who write the script of
movies are often inspired and most likely get their inspirations
from dreams.
"Field of Dreams"..."Starman"..."Ghost"..."Men in Black"....and
the list goes on....
Musicians, painters, writers and artists of all kinds seem to
get their inspiration from the same unique source!
Now, about Tron, Tron is a personnage which existed in a very
remote past, at a time prior to Michael... altough he was also
Michael.
Actually, Tron is a diminutive of his title of "Tetragrammaton"
... which meant "Lesser YHWH" which means that he was one of the
incarnation of God himself in the flesh. After he died, he became
a spiritual ghostly being which has been remembered eversince as
"Meta-Tron"...which means "After Tron".
So, if we wish to know more about Tron, we simply have to go and
read about him in "The Dictionary of Angels" by Gustav Davidson,
on pages 192,193,347 and 356...from which these are the best
extracts...
"METATRON - in noncanonical writings, Metatron, is perhaps the
greatest of all heavenly hierarchs, the first, as also the last,
of the 10 archangels of the Briatic world. He has been called
king of angels, prince of the divine face or presence, chancellor
of Heaven, angel of the covenant, chief of the ministering
angels, and the lesser YHWH...the Tetragrammaton!"
"He is charged with the sustenance of mankind. In Talmud and
Targum, Metatron is the link between the human and the divine."
Now, you will see that he gets to be a complicated personnage
who has numerous identities which are his different incarnations
at different times and this has remained a puzzle to this day.
"In his earthly incarnation, he was the patriach Enoch (who
ascended to Heaven on a Winged-Horse of Fire) - although "Tanhuna
Genesis" (Ref: Jewish Encyclopedia I,94 ) claims he was
originally Michael."
Do you see what I mean?
" In a curious tale of the marriage of God and Earth (Elohim and
Edem), told in the "Alphabet of Ben Sira, God demands from Earth
the "loan" of Adam for 1,000 years. Upon Earth, agreeing to the
loan, God writes out a formal receipt, and this is witnessed by
the archangels Michael and Gabriel. The receipt, so the story
goes, is on deposit "to this day" in the archives of Metatron,
the Heavenly Scribe"!!!!
Wow! Now listen to this...
"Metatron has been variously identified as the Dark Angel who
wrestled with Jacop at Peniel (Genesis 32) ...( although some
other apocryphons say that it was Israel which means "God of
Before"); also as the watchman is "Watchman, what of the Night?"
(Isaiah 21); as the Logos; as Uriel... (who is depicted as coming
down from Heaven on Fiery Chargers!)...etc. It is said that
Exodus 23.20 or 22, depending on the Bibles, refers to Metatron:
" Behold, I send an angel before thee, to keep thee in the way
and to bring thee unto the place which I have prepared. Pay
attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against
him, he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in
him."
According to the Cabala, Metatron, is the angel who led the
chidren of Israel to the Promised land, through the wilderness,
after the Exodus. ...Metatron is the tallest Angel in Heaven and
the greatest... mixed up with other Great Princes, the honored
and revered ones, who are (all) called YHWH, by the name of their
King. This is according to Enoch 3."
Jewish legend relates that Metatron (while still Enoch, a mortal)
arriving in Heaven, was transformed into the Winged Spirit of
Fire which carried him up there.
Enoch, mentioned, as early as, in Genesis 4, also ascended "in a
fiery chariot drawn by fiery Chargers" as related in the "
Legends of the Jews" 1, 129-130.... and this is a very beautiful
story I tell you....and here are some of the best extracts...
" The impression made by the teachings of Enoch upon all who
heard was powerful. "Long live the King!" they said. On a certain
day, an angel appeared and made known unto him that God had
resolved to install him as King over the Angels of Heaven....
Then those gathered near him saw a gigantic Steed descend from
the Skies..."
" This steed is for me, for the time has come ....". So it was,
the Steed approached Enoch, and he mounted upon its back, all the
time instructing the people in wisdom and knowledge... and to
walk in His ways.... and Enoch was carried into the heavens....
by the fiery Charger." (My abreviation )
It is also said that the pariach Enoch, on his translation to
heaven ( Genesis 5 : 24 ) became Metatron , "King over all
Angels" ...and was transformed into a Spirit of Fire, equipped
with Wings and innumerable Eyes. ( From "The Assyrian Legend" in
"The Epic of Izdubar" and "Enoch 3" another Jewish Legend.)
" In the "Zohar I", Metatron is spoken of as Moses' rod, "from
one side of which comes life and from the other death." In
Eisenmenger, "Traditions of the Jews II", 408, Metatron is indeed
the supreme angel of death, to whom God daily gives orders as to
the souls to be "taken" that day. These orders Metatron transmits
to his subordinates Gabriel and Sammael."
"That Metatron was considered, at least in some sources, mightier
than either Michael and Gabriel is the view expressed in the
"Chronicals of Jarahmeel". Here the story goes that whereas
neither of the two great Biblical Angels was able to eject Jannes
and Jambres, the Egyptian Wizards, from Heaven, (whither they
managed, it seems, to ascend by witchcraft), Metatron was able to
accomplish their expulsion."!!
Powerful guy... no problem handling Witches!
"As for the size or height of Metatron, "The Zohar" computes it
to be "equal to the breath of the whole world."
"King, "The Gnostics and Their Remains", p.15, says of Metatron:
"This is the Persian Mithra".
And we all know that Mithra is the Rider of the Swift-Horsed
Sun!!!
For your kind info, Mithra, is an Indo-European Solar diety
closely related to the Sun. He rises, in the Sky, before the Sun,
mounted on his Chariot pulled by White Horses. God with a
thousand ears and ten thousand eyes, his sight encompasses the
whole universe and nothing escapes him. Mithra never dies, and
some images show him behind the Chariot of the Sun, rising
towards Heaven to accomplish the resurrection of the dead and
judgement Day.
" Mithra forces men to organise themselves. Mithra has carried,
since all times, the Earth as well as Heaven. Mithra throws his
glance on human establishments." (Rig-Veda III,59)
" In Jewish Angelology, Metatron is "the Angel who caused another
Angel to announce, before the Flood, that God would destroy the
world." (Ref: Jewish Encyclopedia, "Metatron", vol.8."
Apparently he would be the "Angel of the Lord" in Genesis 22.
"Finally, according to Talmud "Abodah Zarah 3b", Metatron is the
"Teacher of prematurely dead children in Paradise."
This is all for pages 192 and 193... but on page 347 there is a
list of 86 different names of Metatron, among which we can find
Surya and Midrash (Mithra)... who are Sun-Gods.
Finally on page 356, you can see the chart of the "Ten Ruling
Angels and their Orders" ... which begins by Metatron as the
Prince of the World and terminates again by Metatron as the
Messiah.!!!... and in between are the names of his different very
early incarnations... among which you will find your favourite
archangels.
So, this was about the spiritual Meta counterpart of Tron.
Thank you Dr.Davidson, thank you "Electron" for your wonderful
dream and hope that you will get some more... and thanks Tron.
Hey! I'm gonna try to rent that movie again...to see what we do
in there.
Thanks Again "T"
ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials]
SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]
STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower]
TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have
questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the
spectrum of possibilities.]
TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature]
TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or
imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations]
VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle]
WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing]
WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]
WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]
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DREAM SERIES
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Well friends that's it for the dreams section of Electric Dreams
Volume 5 Number 4. Thanks for reading. Send in your dreams and
commentary for our next issue ED 5.5 May 1998.
Hasta La Vista!
Bob K.
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dreamers - including book reviews, movie suggestions or
conferences and meetings, we will publish them. I'm
especially interested in creative interpretive approaches
to dreams, including verbal, dramatization, and mixed
media approaches. Send to:
Richard Wilkerson <rcwilk@aol.com>
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The Electric Dreams Staff
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http://www.dreamtree.com
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maidai@webplus.co.uk
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+ The wonderful anonymous Core who respond each issue to your
dreams!
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Electric Dreams is an independent electronic publication not
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commentators are personal views and not intended as professional
advise or psychotherapy.
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