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Electric Dreams Volume 02 Issue 08
Title: Electric Dreams Volume 2 Number 8
File: Electric Dreams 2(8)
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Electric Dreams
Volume 2 Issue #8
08 June 1995
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CONTENTS OF THIS ISSUE:
Editors' Notes & Day Residue
Core Group Invitation Still Open!
Questions & Answers Person Position Open!
Special Request - Michael Vannoy Adams
Questions & Comments & Replies
From Dan
From Old Mother
From Kwen
From Rache
Reply from Richard
From Steve
From Tavis
Dream: "Tree in House for Sale" by Marilyn
Commentary on: "Tree in House for Sale" by Richard
Dream: "ginny's angry sister" by jay
Commentary on: "ginny's angry sister" by Karen
Commentary on: "ginny's angry sister" by Bob C.
Commentary on: "ginny's angry sister" by Richard
Dream: "the old city " by jay
Commentary on: `the old city' by Richard
Dream: "betsy's (elizabeth's) 'i am dead' dream" by jay
Commentary on: "betsy's 'i am dead'" by Bob C.
Commentary on: "betsy's 'i am dead'" by Richard
Commentary on: "betsy's 'i am dead'" by Marton
Commentary on "betsy's `i am dead'" by Marian
Dream: "The Eccentric Millionaire" by Richard
Dream: "Dreams of Luggage" by "W"
Commentary on: W's "Dreams of Luggage" by Bob C.
Commentary on "Dreams of Luggage" by Richard
Dream: "Bride's Side or Groom's Side" by Henry
Commentary on: "Bride's Side ..." by Richard
Dream Collection from Marian:
DEAD BIRD MOVES 11/8/94
DEAD FROG MOVES 11/5/94
FROGS UNDER PILLOW 11/20/94
Dream: "Taking R. to the Airport Dream" by Simone
Commentary on: "Taking R...." by Bob C.
Dream: "Sunni's Dream" by Sunni
Commentary on: "Sunni's Dream" by Martin
Commentary on: "Sunni's Dream" by Bob C.
Commentary on: "Sunni's Dream" by Martin
Commentary on: "Morphinomenal Dream" by Willa
Dream: "The hidden Factory in a Chasm" by John
Commentary on: "The hidden Factory..." by jay
Commentary on: "The hidden Factory..." by Marian
Dream "The Piranha in the Pool" (5/22/95) by Willa
Commentary on: "The Piranha..." by Marton
Dream: "Meeting President Kennedy" (5/8/95) by Willa
Dream: "Premature Osteoporosis" by Kim
Commentary on: "Premature Osteoporosis" by Bob C.
Dream: "Primeval Forest & Colonial Recipe" by Kim
Dream: "Communion Dream" by Kim
Commentary on: "Communion Dream" by Bob C.
Dream Sharing Experiment: The Email Dream Circle
Dream Circle I: Instructions, Dreams, Questions & Comments
DREAM RESOURCES
ELECTRIC DREAMS ACCESS INFORMATION
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EDITORS' NOTES AND DAY RESIDUE
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After a short vacation Electric Dreams is back and we have
a long issue. A warm welcome to our new subscribers and
those of you who are peeking at us from ASD 95 in New York!
Be sure to visit our new web site designed by Matthew
Parry. The address has changed and is now:
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mettw/edreams/home.html
Notice that we've moved the addresses for back issues and
other access to Electric Dreams to a new section "Electric
Dreams Access Information."
Not only do we have lots of dreams this issue, but we are
also publishing the final file of the Round Robin Dream
Circle experiment. Many thanks to the participants. If you
wish to participate in the next experimental dream sharing
group, send me a note. Many thanks to all of you who have
contributed comments on the dreams, they are very
insightful and I hope a model for the dreamers to make
meaning out of their dreams and lives. Richard Wilkerson
RCWilk@aol.com
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Core Group Invitation!
While anyone who wishes may comment on dreams, we
do circulate the dreams before publication among a core
group who simply send their comments in to Cathy sometime
before publication. As we move deeper into this project of
multiple comments on dreams, the need for multiple comments
becomes more important. And so we are offering an
invitation this month to join our core group. Anyone
interested may contact Cathy (cathy@cassandra.ucr.edu).
Question & Answer position still open! If you feel
knowledgeable about dreams and dreaming or have good
research skills, the Q&A position is still open. Wouldn't
"Editor, Electric Dreams" look good on your resume? Also,
you will be paid Ten times what Cathy and I make (let's see
0 x 10 = hmmm, feel good about yourself?) but even better,
you are free to expand and create the column as you wish.
As a matter of fact, if anyone has a regular column they
would like to experiment with, feel free imagine,
experiment, to dream.
--Richard
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SPECIAL REQUEST FOR DREAMS
RESEARCH BY MICHAEL VANNOY ADAMS
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Michael Adams is completing a book _The Multicultural
Imagination: "Race," Color and the Unconscious_ which will
be published by Routledge in 1996.
The book will include a section on what he is calling
"color-change" dreams (which he presented at the 1993 ASD
conference in Santa Fe as "Racial Identity Dreams".
M. Adams is now asking that anyone willing to share dreams
where they have color-change. These dreams need to be sent
with permission to publish as they might be included in his
book.
"I would appreciate receiving from you dreams in which the
dreamer or any other figure in the dream changes color or
'race.' I would also be grateful for any associations or
interpretations that you would be willing to share. I would
also need to know the 'race' (or ethnicity), age and sex of
the dreamer. Please let me know if you would like to be
acknowledged and credited by name in the book or if you
would prefer to remain anonymous." Michael Vannoy Adams
Please send all dreams through email rwilkerson@igc.apc.org
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QUESTIONS
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All subscribers are encourage to send in answers to the
posted questions to Richard or Cathy until we get a new
question editor. Any format or length is welcome.
======Question From Richard=====
Electric Dreams was mentioned in _Internet_ magazine, but I
can't seem to find the issue (There are 3 or 4 Internet
Magazines now). If someone runs across this article,
(March, April or May) please contact me. editor.
======Question From Dan======
Hi, I was wondering if anyone else had the same experiences
with the hierarchy of the senses in dreams ... I have found
through analyzing my dream material with a home brew
(filemaker) dream database that the senses are represented
in this order: vision, hearing, touch, balance, taste,
smell. Any thoughts?
======Question From Old Mother======
What are the things that you can do to experience lucid
dreaming?
======Question From Kwen======
I'm particularly interested in musical dreams, as I dream
almost exclusively in sound, with no visual component. I
have worked with more `normal' dreams for years having
taught at the CG Jung Institute in Zurich, and also on the
faculty of NYU's Tisch School of the Arts, as a professor
of Psychology of Creativity. I Wonder if anyone on here
has had any experience or feelings concerning musical
dreams??
======Question from Rache======
When reading the ED 'zine, I cannot help but notice that a
lot of people are confronted with some kind of problem or
other big event in their live in their dreams. At least,
they seem to interpret it that way (I might be mistaken
here, but I doubt it). This also seems to be the current
"official" explanation/ interpretation (again, I am only
guessing). I think that this is slightly odd. My dreams do
not contain any deeper meaning, at least I can't find any.
They aren't very abstract either. They're more like a sort
of "hallucination-movie." The scenery is real-world, or
what-a-place-like-this-would-look-like-in-real-world for
those unusual/exotic locations. The characters are human,
always people I know (with -rather few- exceptions) or
creatures from movies. I only had 2 terrifying dreams I can
remember; one involved a nuclear device, the other a
pretty sharp scalpel and my feet; this is not to say there
is no "horror" in my dreams, but it's not the horror of
living through the events I dream, but rather the kind of
horror you feel when watching a good movie. The action in
my dreams is very "cinematic" too, sometimes
spectacular/flashy, sometimes not. Topics include
everything from crime-fighting to science-fiction. The
dreams feel generally good, as in "good entertainment",
but that is all. The characters are more or less real, but
the events not. I can't even see a lot of "hidden desires"
in them.
I'm trying to keep a sort of "diary" about dreams; I
usually remember them when I wake up, but I have not
always time to write them down, and forget later, until
I'm reminded again days or weeks later, but then I don't
have enough motivation for writing the stuff down. I could
dig out a few examples if you like, I'd just have to
translate them first. I was wondering if anybody else has
observed this "style" of dreams; am I just missing
something, do I have no problems and/or an Ego the size of
the planet that doesn't bother with Real Life in my dreams
or what is up? :)
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Work and play in the field of dreams.
Reply to Rache from Richard:
You have some very interesting ideas about dreams which I
hope we can help you develop here Electric Dreams as I feel
they could really help us in our endeavor to promote
multiple viewpoints.
My belief and experience is that dreams respond not only
my life, but to many other things, including the ways I
interpret and respond to them. In this sense I feel dreams
are like an animal. And like an animal, you put your hand
out to one and get it licked, another bites you. Sometimes
they play with you, and other times they ignore you. On
the other hand, my dreams are like a lover or intimate
other, they can at times involve things I wouldn't tell my
best of friends, or even myself. They seem to do these
things more for me when I chose to look to them for these
things. And yet I wouldn't call it self fulfilling prophecy
- the accusation made of most introspective notions like
this of finding what we look for. Or if it must be called
self fulfilling prophecy, then I would raise the status of
self fulfilling prophecy. I'm not personally a big
believer in the inherent meaning of things, at least not in
the traditional sense where there is a singular unrevealed
meaning that resides in a single place to be found or
missed and never changes. I'm quite suspicious of
revelation. When someone shouts "oh, so *that's* what that
means" I usually cringe. I do see that when I give dreams
meaning, they then reveal their significance. For me, the
meaning and significance comes from the relationship, the
give and take play or circuit. The approach effects the
outcome. Not like a machine - but more like whether I give
my date roses or candy or a ring. Some like to play, some
like to work, others just like to watch.
I see a lot of dreamers at Electric Dreams that *are*
involved in personal growth and transformation. I assume
their dreams shift towards being more like that because of
the attention in this area. But I don't intend to push
personal growth myself. It would be useful to me if you
would point out the times and places I do push the personal
growth viewpoint, as I'm trying to wean myself away from
evolutionary viewpoints.(I prefer revolutionary viewpoints)
I also feel dreams are doing what they need to be doing
without our having to help them with interpretations or
comments or other responses. Our participation in what we
perceive the intentions of the dream to be is at least
partially a projective exercise in exposing and expanding
our personal values and meanings.
I've always hoped that in giving meaning to dreams at
Electric Dreams that we produce a model of multiple
approaches rather than being the authority for what the
dream means. My personal goal for Electric Dream
subscribers and participants is for us to develop our own
flexible, personal authorities with meaning and
significance via the mediation of dreams. This is also why
*your* viewpoint is important and I'd like to see you
develop it.
There are others like you! There are many dream concerned
individuals who feel we have been "working" *on* our dreams
too much and over-working our poor dreams. Generally they
promote creative activities with dream rather than
interpretations, but I could see that you might make
comments on dreams that point out the playful,
entertainment aspects and lead us to bring this out more in
dreaming. Or, if you feel uncomfortable talking about
other people's dreams, you might send in your own and
*request* playful interpretations!
Keep us up on your projects and feel free to use
Electric Dreams to experiment. -Richard Wilkerson
======Questions from Steve======
In the past 5-6 years I've been able to
'control' my dreams (of sorts) by either 'forcing myself to
the edge of the picture or the view of the dream per se'...
or just before really waking I have slowly trained myself
to go into other dreams at my whim!
Have any other
'dreamers' mentioned this in your articles in the past? ..
The last three (3) issues of electronic Dreams seems to
just do interpretations.. Am I at the wrong place for
further questions and answers regarding the CONTROL of
DREAMS?.. This first started in a not so pleasant dream
that I mentally 'forced myself' to "TURN AROUND" and look
behind me.. This of course (I've since found) is ALWAYS
another DreamScape or something totally to my satisfaction.
Hope others have had similar experiences..I can control
about 20-40% of my dreams, the rest fall into (1) don't
remember them categories, or (2) I just never note that I'm
dreaming.
=====General Comment from Tavis======
I strongly believe that dreams tell the future, not
necessarily all dreams but certainly a few. I've had
experiences where i'll experience deja-vu and only later
realize the cause was a dream I had had of that exact
situation. Just a comment:>)
I like Jung's observation that dreams we don't deal with
on a metaphorical level tend to materialize literally. I
wish I'd have more lotto dreams so I could not deal with
them and have them materialize literally. -Richard ;)
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DREAMS AND COMMENTS
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======= Dream: "Tree in House for Sale" by Marilyn======
This is a fragment of a long-ago dream, so it may no longer
apply to the present. It did intrigue me though:
I was walking through a very large and elegant mansion that
was about to be put up for sale. The rooms were huge and
yet conveyed coziness and warmth. Many people were
wandering through and admiring the house but not seriously
there as buyers. Like me, they had heard that the house
was going on the market and were curious.
To get away from the increasing crowd, I decided to go to
the second floor, reachable by a winding staircase. As I
came to the first curve, I found a fallen tree. Somehow I
knew that this tree was the reason that there would be no
serious buyers for this house and was also the reason that
the house was for sale at all. It had killed a man by
falling on him.
I stayed there for a minute, wondering if the tree had
fallen on purpose. Then, I stepped over it and continued
on to the second floor, which then changed into a train
station; I got on the train and left.
==== Commentary on: "Tree in House for Sale" by Richard
====
Well, I can't say if this dream is useful to you anymore,
but I'm finding it valuable. If this were my dream...
In my dream a large comfortable place to live is being
left by its former inhabitants. It seems equally useful to
say it represents to me an unknown attitude, habit, complex
or just unknown mysterious house. Like the old myths where
the old world tree dies and a new one must be found, so to
this tree's death is closely tied with the house and the
loss of the inhabitants. But the myth has been modernized
and for me the selling of the house is a way to pass on
life stages I have gone through to a younger metaphorical
family. When I need that comfort again I can pass through
the house, and then take my train on to more fertile
ground.
There is a little lost soul here in the possibility that
the house might not be able to be sold, and that what has
transpired here is gone with the wind. As with the Grail
legend, it sometimes takes a miracle to get a dead tree
back to life. If this were my dream and it occasionally
came up for me in my memory, I would probably, like the
dreamer, simply walk through the house without trying to be
heroic and save or revive the tree and just watch what
comes up for me, and be ready when my train comes to go on.
Thanks for the dream, Richard.
======jay's dream `ginny's angry sister' 4/25/95======
my wife, ginny, has (in this dream) a fat crazy angry
sister. we are slicing up some old bread to leave her to
eat. the trick is to leave her the bread without her
blowing up and attacking us.
i go in a darkish room where there are a lot of people, one
of whom is the sister. i am with a rather tall woman who i
know in the dream but not when i woke up. i put my arm
around her shoulder to pretend we are more friends than we
are. i feel a little guilty as though i will offend her or
ginny, but also that it's ok because it's all for the cause
of getting the bread to the sister. i think we see the
sister but no confrontation takes place.
======Commentary on: "ginny's angry sister" by Karen======
If this were my dream... I am aware at some level of the
need to nourish and support the part of myself that is
found in the sister. She gets my attention through being
over-emphasized and acting out in a primal way, without
thinking. I know I need to nourish her, but I fear this
may cause some damage -- perhaps to myself or my
relationship with my wife. Perhaps I fear that part of
myself that sometimes threatens to act out anger -- like an
explosion that happens at the end of a long-burning fuse.
The situation needs more light. A lot of people are
involved, perhaps as other aspects of self, or as
representative of public opinion.
Though I am aware of her need (and perhaps my need for
her), I still want to keep my distance from the sister --
still tentative about establishing a relationship to her.
I then think that showing my willingness to get in touch
with and befriend acknowledged aspects of self will help.
I do this by putting my arm around an alternate, more
acceptable feminine figure. Even though it is not
completely genuine, I feel it is important to display my
friendly intent. Or perhaps I feel I can appease the angry
sister by showing her I have already befriended the
feminine, though this pretense could actually be
offensive.
I am curious why the bread I offer to the sister is old. I
feel encouraged about my concern for the sister's welfare,
even though she scares me. I want to take care of her, to
integrate her, though I'm unsure how to proceed.
I would see the sister as an aspect of my wife or myself -
angry and carrying extra weight, feeling burdened. Bread is
minimal basic nourishment for survival or maybe financial
needs. Expecting wife to be angry, appeasing her by just
satisfying her basic (maybe financial) need. Feeling a
little deceitful and guilty, pretending you feel friendlier
then you actually do, but worth it to avoid the anger. As
it turns out there wasn't the expected anger. As I read
this over I wonder if the sister could be a symbol for the
relationship, giving it basic nourishment to keep it from
blowing up and attacking.
======Commentary on: "Ginny's Angry Sister" by Bob C.======
The symbol of a wife's fat, crazy angry sister could
represent a real person in the dreamer's life who is
self-indulgent in some way (e.g. "fat") and who may not be
understanding of the dreamer and/or his marital
relationship. The dreamer is evidently trying to pacify
this sister/feminine symbol cheaply with "old bread," which
could mean a modicum of money, or perhaps a gift that is
not very valuable. The dreamer appears to be
uncomfortable dealing with feminine anger or rage. (Why?)
He wants to leave the bread without having to deal with a
confrontation.
The dreamer then places himself, through his dream, in a
social place or space where he cannot see clearly (i.e. the
darkish room). He is with a tall woman (a symbol for a
woman of stature?) who he thinks he knows, but upon
awakening from the dream he consciously realizes he doesn't
know her. (Could the "darkish room" and the woman the
dreamer knows/doesn't know be a metaphor for a heterosexual
relationship in the dreamer's conscious life)? The dreamer
pretends to a level of friendship with the tall woman that
is fraudulent. He does so for the sake of getting the
bread to the sister. Perhaps the dreamer has a need to
justify to himself his specious affection toward women.
The symbolism at the end of the dream may mean that the
dreamer pretends to feelings of friendship or affection in
social situations with a particular woman or women in
general because he has a need to avoid dealing with
feminine anger or rage.
If the dreamer disagrees with the above interpretation,
then it is wrong. Only the dreamer knows.
==== Commentary on: "ginny's angry sister" by Richard ====
If this were my dream...
In my dream I have access and obligation to the fat, crazy,
angry woman through my wife. Is she just a dream wife or do
I in waking life have some access to the monster via my
wife? Either way, I have unknown obligation and ties to
her, and try to feed her without creating an incident. The
focus in this dream is not so much on the obligation and
why I bother with her at all, but rather on the technique
of feeding the monster. Its all pretty much done in the
dark, with people I'm not particularly aware of when I'm
awake.
If this were my dream I would be torn between locating
the special or novel opportunities, feelings and dramas the
sister offers and finding a way to get rid of her. If these
dark sisters and relations in our dreams do offer novel
combinations and recombinations of opportunity, its hard to
just cut them off. My desire along these lines is to take
different opinions I have about the crazy sisters of wives
and allow the parade to move. To use a metaphor: What
projects, opinions and paths have I bonded with or chosen
(wife as that which I marry or bond with) that come with
craziness, anger, hunger? How do I unconsciously feed this
craziness, anger, hunger? And also, do I want to continue
this to keep the goodies (the novel energy she provides or
the precious project, her wife/sister)?
Another metaphor for me is the wife as that which I most
desire and hence the sister as a dark side of my desire. My
desire I don't desire, so to speak. Someone or something
related to my desire that is crazy, angry, fat and fed in
the dark, fed in a way that I have to deceive it to avoid
an incident with it. Yet again, I become disturbed by all
my placations. I look for ways to confront this undesirable
sister and fail. At this point I just want to get her fed
for the evening and be done with it.
Thanks for this soul filled dream. It reaches into a
darkness that is hard to normally get at. Richard
======jay's dream `the old city' (5/10/95)======
i am wandering around a city like new york. everything
seems kind of dark and grey and old. i am in a room where
people come in from skiing and take their skis off and
leave them there. i think how nice that they can ski right
in the city.
outside, i tell another woman how to get in the building i
just came out of. a couple, my parents or me and my wife,
are ahead, waiting for me and other siblings to catch up.
i am in an amphitheater sort of place, sloping sides that i
can walk down. there is a rough seeming sort of guy with
me. it's an abandoned, mildly dangerous area. there is a
small shower stall in one of the walls. i yell across the
area to another older man who is talking on the phone to
the waiting couple. he holds the phone so i can talk with
them.
the other guy with me starts this vacuum cleaner sort of
thing going accidentally. it is whirling a stick/rope
thing around in circles. i am trying to figure out how to
stop it without getting hit by it. finally i am able to
reach where it is plugged in and pull the plug on it.
==== Commentary on: `the old city' by Richard ====
If this were my dream:
In my dream I'm in an old complex, perhaps the central or
main complex, maybe an old and abandoned complex. There are
images of access and connection. Little connection
mysteries abound. How the skiers get such a privileged
connection to the city. The woman waiting for instructions
of how to get in where I am. The family waiting for me to
connect with them. The couple waiting for the phone
connection. Its by a shower, plumbing connection. The
vacuum, is it whipping around a broken connection? I pull
the plug. Connections and dis-connections. I seem to be a
kind of technician maintaining the connections in this old
place.
Interesting dream, thanks for plugging me in. Richard.
==== Dream "betsy's (elizabeth's) 'i am dead' dream" by Jay
my daughter, betsy, who recently returned home from her
freshman year in college, had this dream 5/22/95. she
would be interested in any comments from other members of
electric dreams.
the dream:
i am with a bunch of my high school friends. we know that
god said that some number of us have to die. i don't know
how he picked us but i am one of the ones he picked.
then all of us who got picked are in this big long white
hall with huge stately floor to ceiling arching french
windows on one side. on the other side, the floor drops
down about four feet and in the floor are ten to twenty
pipes about three feet across sticking up level
with the higher floor level. each pipe is a different
color and they are arranged in the order of colors in the
rainbow starting with red on the left and ending with
purple on the right. the hall is sort of like an old
fashioned train station.
god has a podium kind of thing he is talking from, down at
the right end. he says it is time to go, but nobody is
moving. i am thinking to myself, 'i am not one to argue
with the man. if the man says it's time to go, it's time
to go.' so i say, 'i'll go.' god tells me to pick one of
the pipes and jump down it. it's not that there are
right or wrong ones, it's just that i get to pick the one
of my choice. i know that when i jump down the tube, i
will end up sitting in another room where i will get sleepy
and then a tube at the other end of this room will suck me
out of that room and put me back where i was when god said
some of us had to die, and i won't remember then
that i am going to die, but soon after, i will.
i can't decide which tube to jump down. i am trying to
choose between a wine colored tube, a forest green tube,
and an indigo tube. i don't remember which i ultimately
decide on, but go down one of them. it puts me in a grey
stone room. i am sitting on a bench built into one of the
walls. then i get sleepy and only kind of remember getting
sucked up the other tube.
then i am driving home from a friend's house. i look at my
watch and see that i don't have to be home yet, so i go to
visit my friend laurie, who is a patient at sibly hospital.
i go in and talk to her. then i go out in the hall, pass
out, fall down, and die.
a lady who looks like a head nurse, but who is an angel,
comes up to me and says, 'hello, you're dead now. you're
now an angel.' i ask her what the angel rules are. for
instance, can people hear or see us? her answer is vague.
basically, she says that sometimes they can hear, see or
feel us. then she leaves.
another girl from the group god picked and i are sitting
there saying what do we do now. we decide to go look at
the babies in the nursery because i remember that people
say that birthmarks are where angels kissed you as a baby
and now we are angels. we go in the nursery and
one of the babies stops breathing. we knock over a tray to
get the nurses attention. the nurse comes in and saves the
baby.
i realize that i didn't get to say goodbye to anyone so i
decide to go home. then i am in our den at home and my mom
is the only one in the house. i call out for my mommy.
she comes downstairs and asks where i am. i say i am dead
but she doesn't believe me. she can hear me but can't see
me. i say, 'i am going to touch you and you will feel it
even though you can't see me.' when i touch her, she
begins to cry because she realizes i really am dead.
i tell her i came back to say goodbye to her and my daddy
and my brother, chris, and tell them i love them. then i
tell her that she knows i don't like dresses, so don't
dress me up for my funeral, that a pair of jeans and a
shirt are what i want to be buried in. then i tell her i
want lots of white flowers, white lillies and white roses
and ivy, because that is what i had wanted my wedding to be
like, but since i won't be having one, i want my funeral
like that. she says she will do what i ask.
then for the rest of the dream i am back with all my
friends like at the beginning of the dream, both the alive
and dead ones. the friends that are alive can't see those
of us who are dead, but they can still hear us. we are
just hanging out together like usual, except some of us are
invisible.
end of dream.
any comments appreciated. thanks.
======Comments on Betsy's "I am Dead" by Bob C.======
It would appear the dreamer is at a time of great
transition. She is at a place that reminds her of a
railroad station. Long journeys often begin at railroad
stations. She is told she must die, and part of the
process of dying is jumping down one of several choices of
colored tubes. "Down the tubes" is an expression often
used to denote something that is irretrievably gone. What
may be irretrievably gone in the dreamers' conscious life
is old values or perspectives, which have been altered by
her experiences in her first year of college.
The dreamer dies, and becomes an angel. Apparently the
dreamer feels for some reason that in her new state she can
influence events indirectly rather than directly; i.e., she
saves a baby's life by indirectly alerting a nurse to a
problem.
The dreamer visits her mother, who hears her but can't
"see" her. This may be a manifestation of the dreamer's
belief that her mother doesn't "see" that the dreamer has
been changed by a year in college. She finally convinces
her mother she is dead, and tells her mother how she wants
the funeral to be arranged. The funeral arrangements are
very much like the dreamer's wedding arrangements would
have been. This may indicate that the "death" of the
dreamer is another form of a "new beginning" but similar to
a wedding in that it is a new beginning.
The dreamer returns to the old high school crowd, and it is
much like the situation with her mother. Those who are
"dead" are invisible, but can still be heard. Again the
symbolism might indicate that the emotional growth of some
members of the crowd are not recognized by those who have
not grown, but nevertheless communication is still possible
on some level.
If the dreamer disagrees with the above interpretation then
it is wrong. Only the dreamer knows.
==== Commentary on "betsy's (elizabeth's) 'i am dead'" by
Richard
If I was in my freshman year of college and had this
dream I would take it as an initiation dream, i.e. the
validation of the death of my old life as a child or
adolescence and the beginning of a new, yet unknown adult
life. In earlier cultures when children became adults
there were parallel ceremonies that celebrated and fostered
these events. Make no mistake, while they were great
parties and dancing and fun, there was also the Facing of
the Great Mystery which always took the form of Death and
later Rebirth. In some cultures the initiates had to endure
life threatening trials. High school graduation is fun for
a little while, but hardly puts our whole being at risk,
which is what is needed for initiation to really take
place. For individuals mature enough to handle the dark
side of initiation, perhaps nature still provides this
process in the form of dreams. What a gift! I feel this
dream is like what Jung and Black Elk called a "Big Dream"
and will be a relevant marker throughout the dreamer's
life. I would suggest that the dreamer ignore what I have
to say about the dream and convert all the individual
situations, people and images to meaningful personal
metaphors, something which only the dreamer can do. I
offer my own conversion to metaphors only as a sample guide
of "how to".
If this were my dream...
I am standing at the threshold of the infinite (God's
court, infinite future possibilities) with my past (past
relationships to high school friends). Though my past self
hesitates (my old friends can follow the instructions of
God) I know to move forward, even if alone and choose from
the possible futures offered me. (the Spectrum of tubes -
channels - paths). I am offered the full range of choices
but know I can only take one at a time. Do I seek the color
that is like me or unlike me, one I feel good about or a
challenging color? I know that whatever my choice, it is
mine to make and I may never be the same again. (and so
on...)
Good luck with this big dream. If you do feel stuck on
converting some of the imagery to personal metaphors, feel
free to use Electric Dreams as a sounding board. Richard
======Commentary on betsy's (elizabeth's) 'i am dead' dream
by Marton======
If this were my dream , I would not think it has one
interpretation only. I am a new age thinker. This dream is
reconfirmation of my ideas and many more.
We all have to make choices which are ultimately ok. It
does not matter we choose wine colored, green or indigo
tube. Indeed, this choices lead me up to a higher awareness
(levels in the dream). Meanwhile I die , that is, I am
transformed and again and again going through temporary ego
death.(That is when I change my old ways of thinking.).
This is the background..
What is UNUSUAL about this dream? I am willing to follow
God : I do what it says. But there is point which affects
my choice-making. I feel sleepy and I forget about the
whole thing.
I get back where I came from.. So I do not choose at all
which I should.. Am I hesitating in my life to make
choices? Is there some weakness which makes me sleepy?
Where can I see this sleepiness in my life? What does sleep
mean for me?
My dream explores further this quality. I am in a grey
stone room. Am I bored in my life(grey is boring)? What
does grey color represent for me? Do I like it? Or dislike
it? What is stone? Hardness? or Have I seen that bench
before? Where? How did I feel then? Is it possible that I
do not know what my choices? What are the colors of tube?
Is red danger or nervousness , the corrupt way (wine would
mean that)? Green is the healthy way... or indigo is
spiritual..They mean that but I have to find out myself...
Anyway, the emphasis on my sleepiness.... The rest of the
dream I would accept as true. it is true that angers
sometimes can affect people and cannot depending on
conditions. Do I have some ability to which my dream points
to, e.g. sensing the spiritual reality or I am simply
interested in it and it is all collected in my dream? Am I
aware about this spiritual quantity? Is this dream an
introduction to the other world? Am I introduce what nurses
do?
Question: Can this refer to my would-be transformation?
(not real death..) There are things in the dream which I do
not understand.. The dream has two part meeting God and
death in real world... How are these two related? It seems
to be like two sides of the coin or of story which I do not
understand yet.
Who are the babies? Is the significance of breath stoppage
of the baby? Is it related to the sleepiness? Would my
nurturing solve my problem what I am trying to cope now?
The dream finishes in an optimistic reunion. Maybe that is
the final lesson : all is well, that ends well... [take
this dream as possible interpretation out of infinite ones]
======Commentary on betsy's (elizabeth's) `i am dead' dream
by Marian======
Here are some thoughts on Betsy's dream. (Great dream!)
God =outside authority, no choice.
Pipes are colors=positive image.
Get to choose but outcome will be the same. Vehicle
for transformation, change.
Death=change, transformation.
Hospital, nurse=healers, helpers. Angels=insight,
revelation. Saving baby=saving potential, possibilities,
vulnerable beginnings. Mother cries=realizes you're growing
up, changing. Funeral=death/rebirth. Keep same identity
=wear same clothes. White flowers/wedding =funeral like a
wedding - new connections. Invisible=can't see changes.
Things like they were except for unseen (profound) inner
changes.
==== Dream: "The Eccentric Millionaire" by Richard ====
I'm walking around in a house with an eccentric
millionaire, a man in his mid thirties full of ideas and
excitement. I walk around with him and we talk about his
ideas. One problem he mentions is what to do with a blank
canvas he has sitting up against some stairs. I make a
suggestion which he likes and gets excited about and tells
me to go ahead and do it, as if I were an artist. We rush
off to another place but my mind in still on the
possibility of producing and selling the painting to him
for thirty or forty thousand. I have concerns about being
able to finish the project, as to whether or not my ability
to still handle fine art materials is still accessible.
We go up into his office. Heavily wooded, crowded office
that gets light in a way that dust in the air can be seen.
Its full of things he has collected. I especially notice
this model railroad train collection. We are talking
together very fast, spewing out ideas and tossing them back
and forth.
Notes: I once had a friend tell me about a job interview he
went through with two brothers who kept tossing a Frisbee
back and forth during the session. Furthermore, they took
him out to lunch and then didn't have any money to pay
for the lunch, though they were the heir apparents of this
huge corporation. In my dream, the millionaire looks much
like how I imagined the brothers.
==== Dream: "Dreams of Luggage" by "W" ====
I dreamed that I had a dream about shopping for a new
purse. Then there was a guy who was supposed to come tell
me what his dreams had been to see if we had dreamed about
the same things. One of his dreams was about luggage. I
said to him, "I dreamed about luggage, too!" I was really
excited about this and followed him into another room where
he started to change his clothes. It annoyed him that I
followed him, but I really wanted to talk about our
dreams. He said, "I'll be out in a minute!" I had my
feelings hurt that he was irritated with me. I thought,
well, most women would be embarrassed to have someone see
them change clothes, but I don't think most men would!
So who's the guy who had a dream about luggage this week?
======Commentary on: W's "Dreams of Luggage" by Bob
C.======
W's dream may reflect boundary concerns. She is crossing
over acceptable boundaries of the man in the dream, and
this may be an issue with some of her relationships in her
conscious life. Changing clothes also means getting
undressed, being uncovered, being exposed. The man in the
dream doesn't want to expose himself in the dream, but W
insists on it, making it a gender issue rather than an
individual one.
If the dreamer disagrees with the above interpretation,
then it is wrong. Only the dreamer knows.
==== Commentary on "Dreams of Luggage" by Richard ====
I was just reading a book yesterday by Linda Magallon on
_Mutual Dreaming_ and I'll try to contact her about this
dream within a dream meeting.
In the meantime, If this were my dream...
In my dream I'm really in the market for a new way to carry
the tools I've acquired. In a larger and general way I'm
also interested in new ways of carrying the things I have
chosen to bear in this lifetime, at this time in my life.
I have chosen to explore the whole issue of luggage via a
way that is not normally seen as conscious, though involves
consciousness. This is a state that allows me to explore
the image of the thing removed from its concrete
literalizations. There is some unidentified authority or
value in all this. I am "suppose to" but its unclear if the
"suppose to" comes from my own choice or from a higher
authority or an old value I learned at an earlier time. I
am suppose to explore this with my contra-sexual other,
with him. And we not only meet in the special place, the
dream place, but also discuss the dream place. The medium
is the message, as they say. I am excited by the
correspondence and try to engage him in this spark I've
found, but he does not share the spark. He withdraws, moves
into his own space and begins to change his clothes, his
persona, his social mask. When I continue to try and share
my spark and awareness of us, he continues to move into his
own space, now using anger, irritation, perhaps his
defense. He even seems embarrassed. I am reminded of the
myth of Eros and Psyche. Psyche is taken away to be the
husband of a rich man, but must never look at him. They
always must meet in the dark. But eventually Psyche cannot
resist and she puts on the light in the bedroom and beholds
Eros, her secret husband. Eros is startled by the light and
wounds himself with his own arrow, but must now abandon
Psyche until she has purified herself through a series of
trials and tasks. She has to come to terms with her
luggage.
In this dream, there is a profundity offered to us all. The
dreamer is aware that there is a correspondence between her
baggage and his baggage. Its an awareness he can't share in
the way she wants him too. This seems important to me and
relates to the idea of the (traditionally)primordial
masculine - feminine pair as opposites that must find a way
to marry but cannot come together in time/space. To
simplify, One comes together through identity and
correspondence, while the other is about individuality and
difference. In this dream we are given a clue that the
baggage of one is the baggage of the other. It a confusing
clue because of the multiple meanings of baggage, including
something to carry things in as well as the something
carried. There is the idea of baggage as excess and burden
too.
In my dream of this luggage, what I bear in life is also
that which I can never quite understand must also bear,
ourselves. The awareness I wish others shared, is perhaps
not something they are able to share. In this sense my
baggage is my gift, or the carrier of my gift. Again, the
medium and the message are in a primordial state of unity-
disunity, an active source and acted upon
==== "Bride's Side or Groom's Side" by Henry ====
[Dreamer's note: Last January I had a dream in which
appeared a segment where I was asked to usher at the
funeral of a friend's lover. I was honored by the request
and thought I would try to lighten the mood of those I was
ushering by making a joke of asking if they wanted to sit
on the bride's side or the groom's side.]
5/10/95 -- Part I. Was with a particular woman from work
who recently retired, after being pushed aside as head of
our department. Also with me were other work colleagues,
but we are in my hometown, in another state, in the south.
Our ex-boss had been taking cooking classes toward getting
a certificate as a chief. It was her birthday. She
brought a large fish steak for us, with a glaze baked over
it. The food was her final project of the term and looked
good to eat.
Part II. I was asked to usher at the wedding of my
next-door neighbor, a man who was in my class in high
school. In the dream the family has a different name than
they do in my waking life. In the dream they are the
Depommiers. However, young men in my hometown had been
disappearing mysteriously. The guy whose wedding I am to
usher at is also missing. I go to some site where the
young men were last seen, to listen to discover if I hear
their names mentioned, or to see if there is anything else
mysterious at the scene. One thing I find odd is that
there are an abundance of cats around, on the ground and in
trees. I wonder if the young men might have been destroyed
by the cats, as if the men were birds. Those who have
disappeared are not so young as they are miniaturized, it
seems, thinking now about the dream.
My mom then wants me to call the Depommiers, which
irritates me because I want to wait until I have more
information about the mystery.
But the Depommier kid shows up. I introduce myself to him,
and he says he remembers who I am. I think I mention the
mystery to him.
I begin to look forward again to the wedding and my role in
it. There is some bit in the dream about taking a chair to
the Despommier house, as a present, or to use for the
guests' seating. Thinking more about what I will do as an
usher, I imagine I will ask those coming to the wedding if
they want to sit on the bride's side, the groom's side, or
in the middle, as a joke, for there is no middle section in
the church.
==== Commentary on "Bride's Side or Groom's Side" by
Richard ====
The key word for me here is displacement. It comes to me
not in the traditional Freudian sense of disguise or a
jumping movement to avoid, but rather an experimental sense
of putting and trying one thing in the place of another.
Henry replaces the intended usher and tries to replace the
mood with some levity and jokes. The woman at work is
passed over for promotion, replaced by someone else. She
herself retires and is replaced and even the workplace
itself has been displaced to the dreamer's hometown. The
name of the neighbor has been replaced by a name whose root
de and des can mean to "to replace". Within this image of
replacement, the dream continues.
These pulling aparts and putting elsewheres occur within
the imagery of putting together and binding. Eating,
weddings, funerals, mom and home.... these are images of
putting together and union.
Between these two poles of placement and replacement is
the curious dreamer. The dreamer's curiosity (and
suspicion) about all these changes allows the dreamer to
hold the process long enough to ask and investigate what is
going on. In many of the replacements, it is the dreamer
himself that is the replacement. Its interesting how
replacement as a word can be used as both a thing and an
action.
Anyway, as my dream, I find myself caught up in a very
active world where I'm drawn along from social role into
another. The roles remain, the rituals remain, the process
stays the same, but the people who play these roles come
and go. I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all
together. In my dream I respond to all this by trying to be
funny and comical, by giving new twists and turns and using
the energy of the replacement to being in novel
replacements. It seems to be my gift in this dream to see
the processes that other people get so caught up in. But to
really get to the core of all this, I have to fight the
temptation to just go along with it all, even the call of
the mother.
In a way, this dream is a life vision. The rituals of
life and death all pass by. When the role is empty, I fill
in as best as I can. But is there something de-humanizing
in all this? Do the people in my life just shrink away to
be filled by someone else? Can I find out more about this
by resisting the call of my mother to go on with the newest
displacement child?
There are clues. The abundance of cats, the possibility
that they are somehow involved in the disappearance of the
shrinking people. Like birds. And the missing middle path
between the bride and the groom. Is this the hieros gamos,
the sacred marriage and therefore a representation of the
union of the opposites, which many say are brought together
by continually suffering the middle between them? Is my
role in this dream to guide people, usher them in, to the
mysteries of the central position? Or is this an imposed
role, another of many roles that just eventually makes
people disappear and makes them shrink and vulnerable to
the cats?
What a dream! I feel like I have a new tool for watching
the roles in my life. Thanks, Richard.
======Dream Collection from Marian======
I have had two dreams, a few months apart, about an animal
I think is dead, coming back to life.
DEAD BIRD MOVES 11/8/94
We are playfully fighting over who will go first. I think
we are standing at the top of the stairs in my parent's
house. (the house I grew up in) You go first, no you go
first. The other person goes first. She picks up a dead
mouse and carries it and places it in a bag. Then she picks
up some of the bloody guts and places them in the bag. Then
she strokes the fir of the mouse. It is soft and no longer
so bloody. It is my turn. I will efficiently and quickly do
it. When I carried it, it was a bird and not so bloody. I
put it down on top of the bag. After a moment I saw it
move. Was it dead?
Then it started to walk with difficulty. It was a little
transparent, especially the head. I screamed that it wasn't
dead. It was creepy and horrifying.
DEAD FROG MOVES 11/5/94
I'm focusing the day on my son, B. We're going to build him
something for his paintings. We're about to load a truck
There is a dead frog there from the A's. (A family that
used to be our neighbors and we were very close to). I'm
not sure it is dead. My husband looks at it and says it is
definitely dead and puts it up on the lumber near B. I
see it move. It climbs up on top and then falls to the
ground.
Here's another frog dream two weeks later.
FROGS UNDER PILLOW 11/20/94 We are on some wide stairs
and are supposed to follow directions and go down 16
stairs. I counted and went down 16. The person I was with
went down 17 so couldn't participate. We were on the grass
near a little water and there were frogs. They would move
out of the way if you went to the 16th stair. They all kind
of lined up and I put the large green pillow down to sleep.
The frogs were under it but all at the end and the pillow
was large. In the morning I was sleeping on my stomach
which is unusual and I thought what I looked like to others
in my pink nightgown with some of my back showing. Somewhat
sexy. I made sure that when I pressed on the pillow I
wasn't squishing any frogs. I had to move two - a medium
sized one and a little tiny one.
Thoughts - This last dream came at a time I was busy and
productive in the teaching of art and doing my own art. My
son, B, from the DEAD FROG dream, is twenty and in art
school. I also thought at the time of the time of this
dream, it might be connected to my sexuality and worries
about how it will be effected by menopause.
====== Dream: Simone's "Taking R. to the Airport
Dream"======
Here is a dream I had earlier in the year(2-3-95):
I drove over to R's house towing a small plane behind me.
There was no room at the front of his house so I left the
car around the corner. I was to drive R to the airport. I
thought he had to be there at 12:30pm and as it was now
12:00 I thought we would be late. I rushed inside expecting
him to be ready and waiting for me but he was still
casually gathering a few things while chatting to M (a male
friend of his).
I exclaimed my concern over being late but
he casually replied that he didn't have to be at the
airport before 1pm. I then went to get the car and while
walking to where I thought I had left it the scenery didn't
look familiar and I became worried about where I had left
it. I rushed back to the house to find R packing the car
which I had left up the street a bit further. Next thing, R
his Mother and Father (I think), someone else and F with
her camera (she was giggling), were in the car. I seem to
recall that the car was a BMW. I thought to myself "Gee,
the car is a bit full" and walked back to my car ( the BMW
seemed to be someone elses) and L was sitting in there. I
asked her if she wanted to come with us but she said "No,
it's OK. I'll stay home" or something to that effect. I
walked back to the other car and said "It's no good. I'm
not driving with so many people in the car". I then asked
R's Mother if I could leave my car in the driveway and so
jumped in my car and drove it rather exaggeratedly jerky in
reverse and then drove forward, at quite a speed, into the
driveway and parked. R's Mother said something like "Aren't
you forgetting something?" and I said "Oh, right, the
towel over the steering wheel" and put a towel over the
steering wheel on my car and tried to fix my gear lever
lock around the gear lever but it wasn't quite right.
End of dream.
Notes:
All the people who appeared in my dream are quite well
known to me. L is my best friend of many years( I've known
her since I was about 3 years old); R and M I have known
since High School ( 7 or 8 years) and F is my next-door
neighbor whom I've known since I was about 3 years old (2
years ago we had a falling out, and as a result we hardly
ever talk anymore). The house in the dream is not the house
where R lives in reality, but in the dream it was
definitely associated with him.
I'll be very interested in any comments people have on this
dream.
======Comments on Simone's "Taking R. to the Airport Dream"
by Bob C.======
The dreamer appears to be attracted to either R or to
whomever R represents in the dream. She tows her own means
of "flying away," but evidently R is not interested.
There's no room to park or settle "in front" of his house,
which may be a metaphor for R's visible life. The dreamer
tells R that it's getting late to make the flight. R
tells the dreamer that it's still too early (in their
relationship?).
When the dreamer locates the car she was driving (why is
dreamer's mobility dependent on someone else's resources?)
she finds it's been moved. R is packing the car and it
seems clear there's no room for the dreamer in the car.
This could be a metaphor for the fact that R (or who he
symbolizes) has no room to take the dreamer with him into
his future. (How does that affect the dreamer's future?)
Someone with whom the dreamer had a falling out in
conscious the dreamer's conscious life thinks the fact that
the dreamer is being left behind is funny. This person has
a camera. Does she want to "expose" the fact that the
dreamer is being left behind? R's mother drives backward
and forward rather erratically, but she and the dreamer
wind up going nowhere because R's mother parks the car. Is
R's mother "jerking around" the dreamer?" Lastly, R's
mother reminds the dreamer to do something. That
something seems to be that the dreamer needs to get a
better grip on the steering wheel (get a better grip on her
direction in life?) and to get her gears locked in (perhaps
because when gears are not engaged the dreamer "spins her
wheels?"
In sum, I think Simone's dream mind is telling her to take
a close look at some important relationships in her life.
They're not what they seem to be.
If the dreamer disagrees with the above interpretation then
it is wrong. Only the dreamer knows.
===== Dream: "Sunni's Dream" by Sunni ======
It started with this building collapsing in 1959. I saw
the building collapse and then I saw a newspaper about it
and heard a radio report. Then I was this little girl
standing in a butcher shop. The butcher was my dad. The
sign on the shop said "Thorinsen's". I got the impression
that the father was killed in the building collapse. Next
I was watching it like a movie. The little girl was on a
bus leaving town. I got the impression that the town was
St. Louis, but I'm not positive. There was a river and a
lot of railroads. I don't know I've never been there.
Anyway, the girl was on the bus to somewhere heading west.
I assume that she either had no family or was going to stay
with relatives. I saw her get off at a rest area type stop
and she left her doll on the bench. This woman found the
doll. But the girl was looking through the garbage trying
to find it and I thought she was going to miss the bus
leaving.
======Commentary on:"Sunni's Dream" by Martin======
Let me make if it were my dream response.. Something
happened in 1959 which is important to me and it resulted
in a shock on me. It slowed down my life. 1959 is not
necessarily a date, it can be 19-59 or 1-9-5-9. What does
it remind me of? Am I 19 year old? or 59 year old? Do I
feel old and young at the same time? I lost something and I
have not realized that because I read that in the
newspaper. I would like to know more about it because of
its enormous impact on me. I lost my father which could be
my father part of me. Either my father did not pay
attention to me or he died. Something external event in my
life made him disappear. I still feel like a young
girl.When a disaster happens my life is frozen somewhere in
the past. I am a young girl in the dream and I would ask
how old I am.
That would give when exactly my life stopped. I need my
father BACK. The dream says so. But how can I find him?
The next part of the dream shows what happened after the
disaster or what can happen. I went to Louis. What does
St. Louis mean for me ? What did I do there? What was there
which is similar to the way I am behaving now and after the
cataclysm?
The doll seems to represent my coping mechanism with that
event. In order to survive emotionally, I comforted myself
with the doll. I would ask :how does the doll help me? How
does it appear in real life? It seems that I am losing that
too. I need something to make up my father..I am lonely..
But where is the doll? The woman has it.. Who is she? How
can he help me? Could she substitute my mother or someone
else? Would be she kind to me ? Where is she in my life? I
cannot see her yet but she must be close. Otherwise, she
did not appear in my dream.
I would make a plan to find out more about the following..
What happened to me in the past? How am I coping with that?
How the woman help to cope? Who could help me in real life
who are similar to the symbols in the dream?
Important symbols: doll, father, woman. I should find
associations on them.. My future probably lies in
assimilating that awful experience which might happen when
I was young.. Good Luck!
======Commentary on: Sunni's Dream by Bob C.======
In the first dream it is 1959, and a building has
collapsed. Possibly the building represents the dreamer's
past. The dreamer is with her father who is a butcher.
The term "butcher" is used in a slang sense to describe
someone who kills without reason; e.g., a serial killer.
Perhaps the dreamer has a present situation which reminds
her of a traumatic past event relating to a male figure on
whom she depended. For example, if the dreamer's father
left the family through desertion or divorce, the family
structure "collapses" and the father is to blame for the
destruction; i.e. he "butchered" the family unit by leaving
it in some way. The "little girl" on the bus could
represent the dreamer's life journey. She stills sees
herself as a little girl (in the dream) because she still
feels vulnerable. She searches for something that is
important to her, although the object is emotionally and
not monetarily valuable. Another woman has it. The dream
seems to be telling the dreamer to get on with her life.
If she keeps searching for the lost object she will "miss
the bus" and be stuck where she is, and that is in a pile
of garbage.
====== Commentary on: "Sunni's Dream" by Marian======
Building - an aspect of yourself, perhaps your values and
ideals have collapsed. I wonder what the significance of
1959 and Thorinsen is.
Little girl - now you are young and vulnerable
Butcher - raw basics of life Meat - animal aspect
Bus heading west - New opportunities
Doll - inner spirit?
Looking in garbage - looking in useless stuff from your
past. As a result you may miss new future opportunities.
The woman, not the girl, has the doll. Perhaps the dream
refers to a personal crisis and your feelings of
vulnerability (Maybe something sexual). Then, on the way to
a new life, the inner spirit was lost, picked up by a woman
(your mature self?) The girl is spending time looking at
past garbage may make loose her ride to new opportunities.
======Comments on Flare's "Morphinomenal Dream" by
Willa====== (See vol. 2 #7)
If this were my dream I would try to figure out what part
of myself the White Ranger represents. He is hurt, but he
doesn't want to go to the hospital. He doesn't really want
to be healed. What about the passers-by who act as though
what's happening "doesn't really matter to them?"
Perhaps the Ranger represents idealized memories you may
still have about your boyfriend who was killed, memories
you really don't want to let go. Maybe you resent the fact
that your friends and family haven't remembered him as well
as you have. (For instance, the annual dream on the
anniversary of his death.) They seem to have "gotten over
it," while you still keep his memory alive.
You tell the Ranger that you can't help him while he's
wearing his uniform. In other words, his wounds can't be
healed until he lets down his defenses. He is reluctant to
remove his protection in order to be healed.
Once his defenses are removed, he becomes a regular guy,
but he is still wounded. You heal him, and then tell him
to sleep (rest in peace?)
I think this is a very healing dream. It says to me that
you realize you need to lay your memories of this man to
rest and get on with the business of your life. You may
have been feeling guilty about doing this. I think this
dream says that you're ready to move on.
====== Dream: "The hidden Factory in a Chasm" by John======
I recently had the following dream:
I was travelling on a ski lift up a mountain. I though we
were going skiing, but when we reached a very sharp ridge
we began to descend steeply into a huge chimney like chasm
down through the center of the rocky mountain. The slope of
the chasm walls was about 45o at the top, but increased
parabolicly until they became practically vertical not far
below, before they disappeared altogether in the gloomy
depths. I was accompanied by an unidentified male figure
who I never actually saw in the dream.
At the beginning of
the decent I glimpsed a rock climber
climbing out of the chasm. I also noticed what looked like
smoke rising. My companion pointed to a chimney saying, "It
comes out of there." The top of the chimney was just
visible deep down in the center of the chasm. Presumably
there was some kind of factory below it. The smoke was like
brown stained air, rather than normally bellowing factory
smoke.
We then descended very close to a lone female climber. She
was bedded down in a sleeping bag lying against the steep
rock, fastened securely to the cliff by her climbing ropes.
Her equipment hung on ropes below her. It looked as if she
had just finished getting ready to spend the night there.
However, this was very curious as it was early in the day
and the sun was shinning brightly. She was awake, and I saw
her looking silently at us from inside the hood of her
sleeping bag. We were still fairly close to the top of the
chasm and were descending fairly slowly.
My own comments on the dream:
For me, the dream contains a number of familiar archetypal
images:
** the decent into the underworld, in this case via a
'cheating' sort of method seeking to bypass the
difficulties of making the journey by my own power;
** my mysterious companion = a classic "ferryman" type
character assisting my inward journey
** the female character representing the female aspect of
my personality, who in this case is alive and recognizable
to me, but seems to be prepared for sleep, and not able to
easily move.
But other images are not familiar:
** the hidden factory, and its rising smoke
**the mysterious figure who slips out of the chasm just as
I begin to descend
Also, I not made a connection between this dream and my
"Crushing Timbers" or wharf dream that I submitted a couple
of months ago - although I assume that they are in someway
connected as the both seem to be trying to address the
direction of my life at the moment. I have called this
dream "The Hidden Factory..." because it is to this image
that the ferryman calls my attention, but the factory is
one of the images that doesn't mean much to me! Any
suggestions?
======Commentary on "the hidden factory dream" by jay
======
if this were my dream and i was interested in the
mysterious figure and the hidden factory, i would do some
more thinking about them. what things come to mind when i
think about each of them? what are they like? what do
they remind me of?
is the figure male or female? if male, or either way, the
figure is leaving for the exterior world as opposed to the
female who remains on the inside. i also have the feeling
the leaving figure is connected with the factory. is he
the source of it or is it the source of him? what might he
have been doing in the factory? what might he do upon
exiting?
what does the brown smoke remind me of? sounds like
something is smoldering down there. what might i find if i
went exploring inside the factory below? spending time
looking at past garbage may make loose her ride to new
opportunities.
======Commentary on: "The Hidden Factory in a Chasm" by
Marian======
Skiing - moving easily and freely. Instead descended into
chasm. Moving towards gloomy depths and a factory with
smoke stained brown air. It's possible to get out but have
to climb out - see rock climber climbing out. Factory=
drudgery, 9-5 meaningless work, low pay, pollution,
impersonal mass production, industry. OR, place of
production, of making things. Lone female - immobile,
silent, sleeping when should be awake. The aspect of your
personality that usually takes care and nourishes is
silent, watching as you descend into brown stained air.
First question I have is, Does the dreamer smoke? If so,
this could be a warning dream. I would think this dream
has to do with worry about the direction one is headed.
Towards gloom and pollution with a difficult climb to get
out. Chasm could be symbolic for fear of being enveloped by
something, getting too deep into something. Can't help but
acknowledge the image of the just visible chimney in the
depth of a chasm and its possible sexual connotations.
Another thought; rising smoke can symbolize a search or
connection with a higher self, in this case stained brown
by a factory.
====== Dream "The Piranha in the Pool" (5/22/95) by
Willa======
My brother (as a child) (he is an adult now, as am I) kept
a fish in a below ground concrete swimming pool at my
parents' house. He was sitting on the side of the pool
feeding it bread crumbs from a plastic bag. I go in and
told my parents that they might not realize it, but the
fish is a piranha.
They don't seem too concerned. I say, what if a dog or cat
fell in the pool--the piranha would eat it. Or what if a
kid stuck their hand it, it could bite it off! The next
time I am at my parents' house I see that they have let the
water out of the pool. The piranha is laying in the
bottom, gasping and gnashing its teeth. I feel sort of
sorry for it--it seems like they could have thought of a
better way to kill it than this.
======Commentary on "The Piranha in the Pool" by
Marton======
If it were my dream , I would think that I again have to
face something which I do not like to do. Piranhas are very
violent and swift in their nature. Would that correspond to
my own violence which I am afraid of? Do I (like to 'bite')
people in my life? What are the instances? In some sense,
I like that piranha because I am feeding him. Yes, I do not
do it myself but my brother. An interpretation technique is
to suppose that everything is me in the dream. They
represent me from different points of view. So I am the
brother too. I would ask why does he feed the piranha? Do I
like terrible things? What is so VALUABLE in the piranha
which makes my brother(and me because I feel pity at the
end) to preserve him? What is the gender of the fish?
Do I behave sometimes irresponsibly in my life as my
brother does in the dream? And I am worried by my own
behavior which is represented by personal 'me' in the
dream. What situation is in the life which I do not notice
and is potentially dangerous to me ?
The initial setting could be important to look at as well.
How old is my brother? Would that imply that the situation
has its root when I was as young as him? Was it when I
lived with my parents? That is a possibility. The piranha
is part of me, and I want to deny it by killing it but I
also know that the fish also can be used positively. I
would look at how I could prevent the fish from being
dangerous and at the same time how to keep it alive.
Do I know the fish well enough? Perhaps I am afraid of the
fish because I do not know him very well. The fish would
represent something very elemental/instinctual in me which
I fear. I would learn about piranhas more. I would read
about them/draw them.
I also know that the piranha may not remain piranha after
getting close to it. The dream shows something I did not
know. Now it is my turn to do something with it. This is I
would think if it were my dream....
====== Dream: "Meeting President Kennedy" (5/8/95) by
Willa======
I am at my office. A meeting is scheduled and President
Kennedy shows up. He is in a wheelchair and carries a pad
of paper and a pen to take notes. There is a feeling that
he attends not just this meeting, but every time there is a
meeting. I'm standing near the door at a filing cabinet.
I move out of his way and smile slightly at him, as if to
say that I recognize him but I won't make a nuisance of
myself. I'm not sure if anyone else sees him, and I don't
want anyone to think I'm crazy if they don't. I think,
well, this proves that ghosts exist.
======Dream: "Premature Osteoporosis" by Kim======
(the night of April 27/28)
I was with Betty [a coworker] at her home--more within city
than it is in RL--on a weekend. When I looked at my body
(nude?) in the mirror, I saw that I had developed a severe
hunchback--premature osteoporosis. Betty tried to get me an
appointment at her clinic but there was some question of
weekend availability. I felt terribly disappointed that I
would have to live with a curved backbone for life, and
also felt punished for not eating more calcium. It was as
though my bones had softened and were still soft.
======Commentary on: "Premature Osteoporosis," by Bob
C.======
Given the presence of Betty, the co-worker in the dream,
possibly the dreamer wishes she had "stiffened her spine"
and been a little more confronting at her workplace. She
was too "soft," bent too many times and perhaps now feels
she cannot "stand up (straight) for herself.
If the dreamer disagrees with the above interpretation,
then it is wrong.
Only the dreamer knows.
======Dream: "Primeval Forest & Colonial Recipe" by
Kim======
(the night of April 27/28)
I was exploring a preserve of forest that had virtually no
human-made structures in it. I remember one wooden table
into which I carved some notation, and one stone lodge,
which was on the edge of the preserve. Otherwise, its
purpose was to be as primitive as possible. It was visited
by a fair number of hikers. There seemed to be some sort of
course that involved visiting the various structures (the
table, the lodge and so on) [this part is vague]. The
lodge had a "pioneer" feel to it as though it were left
from early settlement.
Somewhere connected with this, a discussion with Matt [my
husband] over the development of cornbread recipes from
our ancestors (the first American colonists) to now...the
concept that the Southern-style iron-pan cornbread used to
be made in all the colonies, even the Northern ones, and
that the Northern cake-like recipe came later. I felt
intrigued and pleased that Southern style, which is what I
make, was in fact "the original"-- the evolutionarily
primitive condition!
======Dream: "Communion Dream" by Kim======
(the night of April 27/28)
I was in the back of a church, participating in a communion
service. I had not originally intended to receive, but I
changed my mind and came up last of all.
======Commentary on: "The Communion Dream" by Bob C.======
The dreamer puts herself at the back and last in line, only
deciding to receive something spiritually fulfilling at the
last moment. Does the dreamer feel worthy of receiving
anything of emotional or spiritual value?
If the dreamer disagrees with the above interpretation,
then it is wrong.
Only the dreamer knows.
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DREAM SHARING EXPERIMENT: THE EMAIL DREAM CIRCLE
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While participating in John Herbert's AOL SeniorNet
dream sharing group, I felt that a sense of caring that
seemed to me to come from the give and take dynamic (See
Electric Dreams vol 2 #6 for a full review). John's format
is a little different, he has a mini- newsgroup bulletin
board forum. But I felt we might be able to reproduce
interesting variations with interested participants at
Electric Dreams and so with four other Electric Dreams
participants, the first Dream Circle began.
In this first experiment we had one dream and passed the
dream around in a Round Robin using John's format that he
developed from a variety of sources. In the first round we
asked questions only and then let the dreamer respond. Next
we gave comments and again let the dreamer respond. In John
Herbert's group he requests that participants use the "if
this were my dream..." approach, but in ours we left the
comment approach up to the individual.
The dreamer, K, has generously given permission for the
Circle to be printed and is given below with the
instructions included that were passed around. Many thanks
again to K.
If you have comments, questions about starting your own
dream sharing circles or would like to participate in our
next dream sharing experiment, send me a note at
rcwilk@aol.com
--Richard
April 11, 1995
Dream Circle 1
Instructions and notes. The dream has been selected and is
listed below. If your dream was not selected, you will be
in the top selection odds of the next circle. We will be
trying various mailing methods in these circles. For
this one, simply send to next LOWER person on the list
and forward a copy to the Mediator. If the file gets to
big for you mailer to send in one file, make sure you label
or number the broken files so they all get passed and
pieced together. Dream Circle 1 Participants: If you are
uncomfortable with anyone on the list, send the mediator
you desire to be removed during the First Clarification
cycle. If you wish more anonymity, send your email
address and pseudonym to the Mediator.
email address 1 -R. MEDIATOR & PARTICIPANT
email address 2 -K. DREAM SHARER
email address 3 - J. PARTICIPANT
email address 4 - V. PARTICIPANT
email address 5 - C. PARTICIPANT
(always send to next lower, lower to first on list)
Dream Circle 1 Cycle 1 Clarification. In this cycle we
simply ask the dreamer questions that might clarify for us
perceptions the dreamer may have left seen or given or
things the dreamer might have said in the dream narrative
but didn't. No questions here calling for interpretations,
nor comments about meaning of dream imagery. Simple
write the questions below as in the example and pass the
email on, forwarding a copy to the mediator. The
dreamer may or may not respond to these questions, as they
wish. Lets keep the response brief too.
EXAMPLE: Dream: "The Open Window " by Blick
I saw an open window at the end of a hallway. End
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EXAMPLE Questions:
>From R.: Hi, great dream! a. how long was the hallway,
b. was it dark outside the window c. how did you feel when
you saw the window?
>From QED: Thanks for sharing your dream! 1. Was it a
home like hall or office hall? 2. Where were you in the
dream? 3. How did you feel when you woke up?
Answers from Blick: OK, It was a 20 foot hall, it was an
alley out the window, probably at night. I don't recall my
feelings when I awoke, but the dream seemed disturbing.
I'd say the hall reminded me of my grandmother's house.
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Dream Circle 1 Dream: 4/7/95 A Horse is a Horse
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Dream Circle 1 Dream: 4/7/95 A Horse is a Horse
I am an observer in this dream, along with another
unseen figure to my right. The other characters in the
dream are a brown horse and a man that is his friend. The
horse is really a person embodied in a horse. The
horse wants to get the man to recognize him (I think the
man's name is Charley.) It's as if the horse wants Charley
to recognize him in the horse form as the friend he has
known in human form. But Charley is oblivious to this,
just seeing him as an ordinary horse. I then see a
close-up view of the horse's front right leg trembling.
Somehow the horse thinks that if Charley will to look at
his leg he will realize, but Charley doesn't really get it.
The horse then stands on Charley's foot, thinking when he
feels the weight it will get through to him.
This is still too subtle somehow. Then the horse takes on
the appearance of a stuffed animal and the scene now
appears as if it is an old movie, in black and white. The
horse rears up and puts it's hooves on the shoulders of the
man, and when they see each other face to face there is
finally a moment of recognition. I am deeply touched by
this and burst into tears. The other observer holds me,
partially blocking my view of the movie, apparently not
wanting me to get too emotional.
The scene changes, no longer a movie. I see the horse,
back to a real horse, running free over a sunny green field
edged by woods. It is happy and free now.
Then I am in the scene. I am leaving, as if the event
is over. I am commenting that the movie was filmed right
here -- at the place I am walking in the dream -- green
field, some woods and a dirt path.
I say to an unknown companion (possibly the other
observer?) that it makes sense because the movie was taking
place in Washington, D.C. (near where I live in waking
life).
CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS&ANSWERS
J.: so. as i understand the dream, it is a stuffed
animal horse that puts its hooves on charlie's
shoulders. right? nice dream.
K/Dreamer:: Yes, but it is still the same horse. It has
only taken on the outward appearance of a stuffed
animal.
V. - Did you feel you knew horse and charlie?
K/Dreamer: Not necessarily by sight but by emotion? Not
exactly. I didn't feel much emotional connection to
Charley. He was an older man that was not as important in
the dream as the horse. The only waking life connection
I can make to the name 'Charley' is that I am currently
taking a course taught by C. T., and he addresses
himself as 'Charley'. There was more connection to the
horse -- perhaps the part of me that longs for that
combination of freedom and inner power. For a time
horses were frequent dream images. They've been absent
for about a year, but in the past few weeks I've had
several horse dreams again.
C: #1) the unseen figure--did you have any sense of it
being a male or female or male/female mix?
K/Dreamer: I believe the unseen figure is a male.
C: #2)did you have any sense of it being old or young?
K/Dreamer:: The figure is older than me.
C: #3) when the observer holds you did you have a sense of
suddenly knowing more about this unseen figure?
K/Dreamer: No. I had the sense even before he holds me
that he is some sort of guide, trying to help me learn
more about life.
C: #4) did anything seem different about this figure from
when you first are aware of the figure? K/Dreamer:
Just that he had a definite form for a moment, though
this was vague.
R.: 1. Was the horse originally a riding horse, a farm
horse, a wild horse?
K/Dreamer: Hard to say. He was a male horse, the only
one around in the dream. Probably a combination of a
wild horse living on a farm, but definitely not a
riding horse.
R: 2.How did you feel when you woke up?
K/Dreamer: Seeing the horse running free was very
satisfying -- some type of resolution. At the end,
where I am walking away, I feel on the verge of
realizing something -- trying to see how it relates to my
life.
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OK, CYCLE NUMBER 2. The dreamer may or may not wish to
respond to the clarification questions and then sends the
file on to the next lower person on the list. Plz
forward the mediator a copy. If you receive the file
now, you may comment on the dream and them pass the file
on to the next lower person on the list and forward a
copy to the mediator. The last person on the list sends
the file to the first person on the list.
(The Dreamer (K) cleverly responded as in email, see above)
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CIRCLE 1 CYCLE 3 COMMENTARY
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Comments on Dream "A horse is a horse"
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J: if this were my dream i would be very happy to have
such a fulfilling dream. i would be puzzled that
charley recognized the horse person yet i don't seem to.
or do i? it seems as though the recognition occurred way
back in my childhood. some sort of union between my
masculinity and inner being. i would look for any
connections with 'charlie horse' though i don't feel any
here.
i am also reminded of the old tv series 'mr.
ed.'. i would look for connections between the dream and
my current waking life, as the end of the dream seems
very connected with the present waking life. or is this
perhaps somehow about some kind of recognition or
approval or bonding between me and some sort of father
figure? either now or in the past or both? i would also
look for connections between this and my other recent
horse dreams. yes, as i think about it more, i feel that i
am the horse and that's why i am so happy and free,
having achieved this recognition from charlie. if this
were my dream.
V: If this were my dream I would look into the
possibility that I was interested in recognizing a part
of myself that I wanted to recognize/explore but had not
done so yet. As the horse (that part of myself that is
yet unrecognized) I attempt in several ways to surface,
finally doing so by a sort of disguise, but fully
confrontational. Charlie is that part of me that has yet
to recognize the horse/self, but finally recognizes when
fully confronted. The other person is that part of me that
in a way wants to keep me from fully seeing(recognizing)
the horse/self, but not completely because he only holds
me partially. There is recognition because of the
emotion felt, and because of seeing the horse running free,
and happy. To put it simply, if this were my dream I
would be looking to see what aspects of self I had
recognized/integrated/resolved that led me to great joy.
C:'s take on the dream: When the dream opens I believe the
two observers are two parts of the dreamers self--a
older, male guide figure perhaps representing the
dreamer's masculine aspects a la Jung's anima/animus.
The dream could be about the anxiety of bodily change--if
one's outer appearance changes, with age, with trauma,
accident, via a new job/wardrobe, will the inner self
stay the same. Perhaps a new life change is approaching
and there is anxiety about whether the new experience
will change the person into something unrecognizable from
the past. The efforts at recognition move from emotion,
to physical jolting to a retreat into fantasy--fantasies
associated with the past--childhood, old movies. Perhaps
this is a dream about growing up and losing one's
childhood self. The feminine self is emotionally
concerned with connecting with the past, but the
masculine self doesn't want the feminine self to get
overwhelmed. The return to Washington is a return to the
present and the new life, more integrated with the past.
R:'s take on the dream: If this were my dream... In my
dream the horse's desire for Charlie's recognition is the
driving force. For the image is to have some time to work
itself through me, I am kept from jumping in and forcing
this recognition to happen to fast. In other words, the
delay in recognition is *part* of the image, and in being
delayed it unfolds and presents the desire of the horse
who only appears to be a horse. In my dream I observe this.
Perhaps the observing with the friend/companion is the
loving attention that holds open the door through which my
feeling parade. I feel for the horse who is not really a
horse. Loneliness, sadness, loss. Charlie's not recognizing
the being in the horse contributes to distance, the unseen
gift of self offered and missed by the being in the horse.
It didn't used to be this way. The horse tries to hold a
trembling limb up to Charlie in a way that the horse is
sure will get his attention, as if it would have worked at
some other time. But the trembling limb is no longer the
act that will get Charlie's attention. The connection to
Charlie is so lost, that even direct weight on his foot
makes no difference. No recognition. Its as if Charlie no
longer connects through the appearance to essence and
being via pain, wounds or direct pressure. One path is
made available. Run the old movie. Its black and white and
involves childhood horses . My guide/companion holds me
for one more moment and glimpse before I dissolve back into
fulfilled desire. It makes sense to me that this has
happened in the place where I live. Thanks for sharing
this very interesting dream.
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DREAM CIRCLE 1 LAST CYCLE: In this phase the
dreamer may or may not respond to the comments on the
dream. The dreamers options are: 1. Don't respond, just
send the Dream Circle File back to the mediator 2. Respond
as you wish, and send the file back to the mediator a.
to be printed in full in Electric Dreams (dreams,
clarifications & comments& replies) b. to be sent out
to the members of the circle only I'm open to other
options, but I would like for the whole community to see
our process so we can talk about what worked, didn't work,
ect.
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OK, dreamer, do as you wish, just be clear which
option you are selecting.
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From K/Dreamer:
got some wonderful aha's from the commentaries. I had
done some personal work with this dream, but you all
helped me see other levels I had not considered. THANKS!
It's an important dream for me that just keeps having more
to say. I especially resonated with the following: From
J: --recognition occurred way back in childhood --approval
or bonding between me and a father figure
From V:--part of myself that I wanted to recognize/explore
but had not done so yet.
From C:- * Big aha's here *--Will the inner self stay the
same with a new life change approaching. *--Anxiety
about whether the new experience will change the person
into something unrecognizable from the past. --Efforts
at recognition move from emotion, to physical, to
retreat into fantasy . *--about growing up and losing
one's childhood self. *-- feminine self is emotionally
concerned with connecting with the past, but the
masculine self doesn't want the feminine self to get
overwhelmed.
From R:---the delay in recognition is part of the image
--the unseen gift of self offered and missed by the being
in the horse -- Charley no longer connects through the
appearance to essence and being via pain, wounds or direct
pressure. --Run the old movie. Its black and white and
involves childhood horses. --I dissolve back into
fulfilled desire.
Background From K: I had this dream on a night following a
dream group meeting. In that meeting I shared a dream that
resulted in an emotional recognition of lost childhood. In
my personal work on this horse dream, I connected the
feeling of the moment of recognition between Charlie and
the horse with the feeling of recognition for lost
childhood that I got in the dream group. I am also dealing
with issues in waking life regarding a reunion with a past
partner. There is some anxiety whether this return to past
connections will undermine my new growth and sense of self.
There is some additional concern over parental approval of
this relationship. The appeal of it is our mutual
childlike enjoyment of life.
Looking forward to more Dream Circles! K.
==== END DREAM CIRCLE 1 =====
If interested in joining us in the next dream experiment,
please contact Richard Wilkerson at rcwilk@aol.com
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DREAM RESOURCES
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BACK ISSUES FOUND!
Yes, the missing back issues have been found and if you
want a complete collection of Electric Dreams you can get
that at the IIDCC gopher site - see below for access.
IIDCC
The International Internet Dream Community Center
project is underway! If you interested in helping to build
a community resource, conference and project center on
internet, you can drop me a line, Richard Wilkerson, at
rwilkerson@igc.apc.org or for an automatic reply for more
information you can send an email to:
<iidcc-info@igc.apc.org>
IIDCC Special Project.
The Dream Center is planning a joint project with ASD, a
computer teaching center at the 1996 conference. If you
are interested in participating in this project or have one
of your own and would like to be added to the upcoming mail
listserv that will focus on this and other ASD96 internet
dream projects, send me a note at <rwilkerson@igc.apc.org>
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dream is accepted, your get a free complimentary issue.
Email your dreams to Dan Holzner, <dan@appres.com> If you
want a subscription, its $3.00/issue or $11.00/four issues.
Checks payable to Dream Scene Magazine. snail to:
Dream Scene Magazine
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INTERNET DREAMING AT ASD IN NEW YORK:
Three papers on the internet and dreaming are being given
at the New York Association For the Study of Dreams
conference this month:
Dan Cummings: "The dream of cyberspace: Mosaic-based
interface to the internet.
Cynthia Pearson: "The dream index: Thanks to Bill Gates,
it's working"
Harold Ellis: "The Community Dream Sharing Network and the
regional Dream Switchboards"
The twelfth annual conference of the Association for the
Study of Dreams will be held in New York City June 20-24,
1995. Questions should be sent to the ASD Central Office in
Vienna, VA, USA (703) 242-0062 or phone/fax (703)242-8888.
Also, if you are interested in information on how to join
ASD and receive a quarterly journal _Dreaming_ , the
quarterly newsletter _ASD Newsletter_ and some cuts on
conference rates, just send your request snail mail to:
ASD P.O. Box 1600 Vienna, VA 22183
If you have something to post or run across addresses or
events related to dreaming on the net, Please send to my
address and we will share the information with everyone
else.
Richard <RCWilk@aol.com>
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