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the last days there was an interesting conversation about closed
groups in bbsing. i can't describe it to you and i wont do it, cause
everyone sees and reads things in their perspective. if you didn't
read it, go to fsxnet, general chat echoarea and search for msgs with
title "mrc version too old" and "closed othernets". for what i read it
wasn't just one subject that was talked about, but a group of things,
that also made the conversation hard to follow.
to make clear my self, this is not me, taking the side of one or
another. its me, telling you my opinion on the subjects. do you agree?
fine... you don't? send me an email explaining why... and i will again
disagree with you :p nooo i am kidding. so lets break the stuff and make
my remarks.
"its bad to have closed nets/groups"
i don't know if its bad or not, but it was always a thing in the bbs
scene. in some point it did some good for the scene and other times it
was just a big trouble. as time showed us, closed groups almost
vanished. for sure, some exist, but they don't have much traffic or
more traffic than the free ones.
if someone can support a closed group/net or he just likes it in the
way it is, its his thing... all others they can just complain about
it, feel free to join it perhaps, if they want and be accepted, ignore
it etc. it was always like this and it will always be.
"software from closed groups, should be uploaded anywhere"
hmmm... not sure about that. you can't tell/force any one to upload a
program to all nets. it's also not possible to do so, cause some nets
are closed, some bbses don't have, or they don't want to have access
to other nets etc. if we see the past, in some cases it was a practice
for groups not to release stuff to all nets or even delay the release
to some nets etc. we can say with certainty that it was a past
behavior that it was acceptable. is it right? wrong? good? bad? hmmm also
hard to tell. in a certain point of view its bad, but in another one
its good for the particular net. but at the end, no one can do
anything about it. the author/release group can do as they fill and no
one can do anything about it.
up to now, we have two things that was also done in the past and in
fact it was common practice. even now, some ansi groups have distros
that release their work/packages first. but the real question is...
can we make the same things that we did in the past as a scene? did
something changed in the time between now and then? for sure it has!
almost 100% of bbs users/sysops now days, are grown ups, that don't
have time for "bull shiting" or spend time in searching things and
stuff like this. they want the program/art now in the more convenient
way, for them, to download. also today users are more familiar with
"open source" than back then and also demand for programs/utils to be
released as open source. so, for them, a group making releases only
for their net, is at least "strange".
its not that one way or another is "good" or "bad". its just the way
it is. others like it, others don't. what will happen in the future,
for that group/net, only time will tell, but its their call and they
will also have to deal with the consequences of their actions. all
others they just have to deal with it also. :)
to make things more specific, the argument started for a particular
mod/script called MRC. i am not gonna explain what it is, just search
for it. the thing is that someone else wrote it and now its being
developed by phenom group and promoted through araknet. the mod
started as a "free to all, for use and download" and it was
distributed by fsxnet which is free to join and well recognized by
many bbses, but now its distribution model is more "join araknet
boards to get it". also the changes in the mod are vast in compare
with the original script.
i can understand both sides and i think both are right and wrong, each
one in specific things. as a coder and an outsider my opinion is
this... any program started as "free", should remain "free", unless
the creator of the program decides otherwise. in this case the
original creator hasn't expressed publicly his opinion, on this
matter. its weird for someone that he is used to find a program in
"free" places, now to have to join a specific bbs to get it. if the
software wasn't "free" from the start, we wouldn't have all the fuzz
about it.
a "simple" solution would be to keep MRC in its original form and the
new, more advanced version to be a fork of it, with different name.
this way, "freebies" would get the original software as it was started
and expected to be and those who want the more advanced version could
follow the closed group etc. its not strange and this happens a lot in
software in general. there are forks of projects in many cases. don't
you think that this is an acceptable solution for all? the "foul" for
me, is that the original creator didn't clear things publicly and that
phenom, almost "hijacked" the project and gave it a different
"character".
if you asked me... i don't care at all for MRC or any other IRC like
feature for bbses... its not compatible with my "dream" for bbses.
should someone care about this?... not! its my opinion and i choose not
to install it. but those who do support it, they shouldn't be
apologetic on doing so. after all adding stuff to bbses is
experimenting and also we should have a variety of "dreams" for the
bbs scene in general if we want for the scene to follow/evolve. as an
example, if someone didn't make bbses to use telnet for connection,
perhaps today, we wouldn't have any bbses at all! how many of them use
dial-up connections. ;)
the thing with araknet, for me, is that they do a lot of "fuzz" for
things that don't deserve it. they seek a lot attention to things that
are not so "great" or "ground breaking". for example saying
"making an IRC that is not like IRC", "continuing the underground scene".
honestly there is no underground scene today! underground doesn't mean
cool ansi, facebook posts and a web radio... its all about HPAVC,
which now days has vanished. where are the warez? the hacking stuff
and so? so making fuzz for "the cool bbses" is irrelevant. you don't
see anymore, for example, fuel or blocktronics bragging how awesome
they are, do you? they do what they do, offer to the scene and... end.
i don't accuse araknet/phenom, for anything. i really like the whole
idea, concept and even being a closed group, i really do. but
recognition by the scene, doesn't come from facebook posts or on how
many bbses, artists, coders will join the net. what brings recognition
is making stuff (mods, scripts, art), helping others, expanding the
bbs community, bringing new ideas etc. for sure arak/phenom does both
of them, but certain members are more keen to "social networking" than
"making stuff", as described above and perhaps this is what brought
this tention to the scene, from both sides. fsxnet doesn't use social
networks or is affiliate with any groups... does this mean that is not
worth some recognition? or that araknet is "better" than fsx? NO! both
nets serve the scene in their way and users/sysops recognize it for
both of them.
in conclusion, there shouldn't be a "fight" between fsxnet, araknet,
pinet, survnet etc. there are all networks/part of the same bbs scene
and express different parts of it. you can't abolish one and keep the
others, with out harming the scene, as once they created, there are
part of the scene. also i saw a "fight" between two networks, that
because they have more traffic than the other nets, supposedly are the
"representatives" of the scene, which is diminishing for other
networks. as also the past has shown us... networks are coming in the
foreground and also vanishing into oblivion, no one has the right to
think his network is better that other. this is a personal choice
for each and one of us, who use and like bbsing.
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