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The Avalyn Digest Sun Nov 24, 1996 Volume 1 : Issue 15
There are 34 messages totalling 723 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Mojave 3 Discography (update & web)
2. FWD: avalyn@lysator.liu.se (3)
3. in mind remixes (9)
4. slowdive EP's & bootlegs
5. in mind (3)
6. looking for "in mind" / "morningrise"
7. Pygmalion
8. Spectrum? (4)
9. holding our breath
10. melochrome debut in chicago on december 7...
11. FSOL's "Dead Cities" (2)
12. fsol's new morbid letdown
13. mailto:avalyn@lysator.liu.se
14. shields/effects
15. alison
16. love spirals downward (2)
17. big fan
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 04:25:53 +0100 (MET)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Mojave 3 Discography (update & web)
I've finally found the time to update the _Web-version_ of the Mojave 3
Discography, and with that, updated the discography to v1.1 (thanks to
all of you who sent in corrections/updates/information!).
The Web-version includes a bunch of pictures, cover scans, band picture,
and 4AD press release letters.
Check out: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/mojave3.html
//Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)
P.S. If anyone wants the v1.1 text version by e-mail, just e-mail me and
I'll send it to you with no questions asked :-) D.S.
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 06:58:13 +0100 (MET)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: FWD: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
Forwarded:
> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 16:45:38 -0800
> From: murmur@napanet.net (joe borreson)
> Subject: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
>
> Hey all...
> Just wanted to tell you all that in crazy berkeley CA u.s.a. at 'rasputins
> records', one of my favorite record stores, they have 2 copies of
> "morningrise" there, 9.99 each.. (cd). I was suprised to find thsese there
> and wanted to post about it because i know it is pretty much impossible to
> find slowdive e.p.s anymore (along with the 'in mind' remixes - which i have
> been looking for for about 2 years!! so so glad to find this one finally!!
> it is excellent too).
>
> Sooooooo if anyone wants the record stores phone# here ya go: (510)848-9004
> i do not know if tehy do special shipments etc, but i bet they do. anyways,
> just wanted to post this to you all.
>
> Off once again to hide away.
> Joe
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 03:16:33 -0500
From: Nikolpez@aol.com
Subject: in mind remixes
this is the only thing i don't have by slowdive...
does ANYone know where i can get a copy???
thanks...
-nicole
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:32:17 PST
From: twisterella@juno.com (erin pham)
Subject: Re: FWD: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
>> Hey all...
>> Just wanted to tell you all that in crazy berkeley CA u.s.a. at 'rasputins
>> records', one of my favorite record stores, they have 2 copies of
>> "morningrise" there, 9.99 each.. (cd). I was suprised to find thsese
Hiya!! I also saw it at The Amoeba for $9.99! So for you people who
can't find it at Rasputin's then just hop on over to Amoeba. I saw 2
copies there also. Hope that helps!
Erin
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:58:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Claire De Leon! <eleven@grove.ufl.EDU>
Subject: Re: in mind remixes
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 Nikolpez@aol.com wrote:
> this is the only thing i don't have by slowdive...
> does ANYone know where i can get a copy???
No, but I finally scored my copy at Vinyl Ink. They update their catalog
weekly (by e-mail, if you request) and as soon as I saw it, I sent off an
e-mail saying I want it, and - voila! - I own it and it rules. Now if only
I could find the original 5 EP to hear the original version of In mind!!!!
Daniel
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:25:50, -0500
From: GGNL44A@prodigy.com ( JRR TOLKIEN)
Subject: Re: in mind remixes
>Now if only I could find the original 5 EP to hear the original
version of In mind!!!!
I can get the 5 EP on CD for you or anybody else that wants it. Not
meaning that I have a lot of copies, but I know I can get at least
one copy of it. Especially if someone wanted to help me get Blueday
on CD. That would really be nice. Anybody?
Ryan
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:58:34 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson <bdn116@mail.usask.ca>
Subject: slowdive EP's & bootlegs
Since everyone is looking for slowdive EP's, I figure I'd ask if anyone
knows where I could get the self-titled EP, Blueday, or Holding Our
Breath.
I'm also looking for some slowdive bootlegs. I have some My Bloody
Valentine boot's I could trade in return.
later
brad
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:09:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Aaron Thorne <fearless@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: in mind remixes
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Claire De Leon! wrote:
> e-mail saying I want it, and - voila! - I own it and it rules. Now if only
> I could find the original 5 EP to hear the original version of In mind!!!!
keep in mind (ha ha) you'll only be getting 1 new song so don't pay too
much. it took me a long time to like the original version, and still i
think the second of the two remixes blows it away. What is it, the two
hundred and blah blah version? I can't remember but it's one of my
favorite of all songs ever created anywhere at any time in any place and
in any dimension.
aaron
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:29:07 -0600
From: mps2@cec.wustl.edu (Michael Peter Stein)
Subject: Re: in mind remixes
For those who like the "In Mind" remixes, you might want to get a hold of
the first (and only) Reload album or the Global Communication album (Global
Comm., Reload, Jedi Knights are all the same thing). Two very beautiful
melodic (ugh .... I'll say it ...ambient) electronic works.
Global Comm. also did some kickin' remixes for Chapterhouse (see the
"Pentamoris Metamorphosis" EP).
-Mike Stein
mps2@cec.wustl.edu
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:43:46 -0500 (EST)
From: grilledcheese <hotrod@grove.ufl.EDU>
Subject: Re: in mind remixes
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Michael Peter Stein wrote:
> For those who like the "In Mind" remixes, you might want to get a hold of
> the first (and only) Reload album or the Global Communication album (Global
> Comm., Reload, Jedi Knights are all the same thing). Two very beautiful
> melodic (ugh .... I'll say it ...ambient) electronic works.
>
> Global Comm. also did some kickin' remixes for Chapterhouse (see the
> "Pentamoris Metamorphosis" EP).
ok. i am extremly interested. where do i go to het thes records?
mike
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 18:11:14 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan <sumcgowa@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: in mind remixes
At 02:09 PM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote:
>keep in mind (ha ha) you'll only be getting 1 new song so don't pay too
>much. it took me a long time to like the original version, and still i
>think the second of the two remixes blows it away. What is it, the two
>hundred and blah blah version? I can't remember but it's one of my
>favorite of all songs ever created anywhere at any time in any place and
>in any dimension.
i disagree. yes, the 'in mind reload remix (the 147 take)' is *completely*
incredible, but i think the original version (on the '5ep') is just as good.
just my two cents' there.
~susan.
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 19:09:26 -0500
From: avalyn@chesco.com
Subject: in mind
>i disagree. yes, the 'in mind reload remix (the 147 take)' is *completely*
>incredible, but i think the original version (on the '5ep') is just as good.
>just my two cents' there.
>~susan.
I totally agree. I think the original is SO MUCH better than the remixes.
The remixes are just there to me actually, nothing great. The 5ep is
definitly worth whatever price you see it for. I didn't know they were hard
to get nowadays.
bye ryan
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 05:10:09 +0100 (MET)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: FWD: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
Hey guys and girls, please remember that you post to the mailing list at
the address: ** avalyn@lysator.liu.se ** //Erik
Forwarded:
> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:23:57 -0800
> From: sweettrip <avle@slip.net>
> Subject: Re: FWD: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
>
>> Forwarded:
>>
>>> Hey all...
>>> Just wanted to tell you all that in crazy berkeley CA u.s.a. at 'rasputins
>>> records', one of my favorite record stores, they have 2 copies of
>>> "morningrise" there, 9.99 each.. (cd). I was suprised to find thsese there
>>> and wanted to post about it because i know it is pretty much impossible to
>>> find slowdive e.p.s anymore (along with the 'in mind' remixes - which i
>>> have been looking for for about 2 years!! so so glad to find this one
>>> finally!! it is excellent too).
>>>
>>> Sooooooo if anyone wants the record stores phone# here ya go: (510)848-9004
>>> i do not know if tehy do special shipments etc, but i bet they do. anyways,
>>> just wanted to post this to you all.
>>>
>>> Off once again to hide away.
>>> Joe
>
> Hey Joe,
> are you from Berkeyly/Bay Area? It's always nice to meet a fellow
> slowdive fan. I didn't know that the e.p.'s were getting hard to find
> these days. Did you every try mod lang? They always have cool stuff
> there. Well thanks for letting people know about those two copies of
> morningrise. Later.
>
> -Viet
> http://www.slip.net/~avle/sweettrip
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Date: 07 Nov 96 08:01:35 EST
From: Mo Holkar / UKG <100745.3625@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: in mind remixes
>Global Comm. also did some kickin' remixes for Chapterhouse (see the
>"Pentamoris Metamorphosis" EP).
This is an absolutely brilliant album, possibly the best 'ambient' record I've
got... it was called 'Blood Music: Pentamerous Metamorphosis', it's about an
hour long and it was packaged with a limited set of Chapterhouse's 'Blood
Music' when that came out. I'd never heard of Global Communications back in
1993, so it was a completely fortunate buy. Much as I like Chapterhouse, the
remix knocks pieces off the original album.
Mo
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 15:59:00 GMT
From: "Samuels, Mark" <M.L.Samuels@shu.ac.uk>
Subject: In Mind
Right,
I thought it was time I added to the 'In Mind' debate. I'm not to keen on
the Bandulu version but the Reload 147 mix is great.
Both, however, smell considerably when compared to the original. A work of
art mate and make no mistake.
On the subject of Reload, this piece is different to most of their work.
Most of their early stuff is much harsher. As time progresses thought all
their stuff just sounds like Global Communication (whether they're called
Reload or whatever). This remix sounds like Global Communication.
I can't remember who said this the other day (sorry whoever you are) but I
agree, their debut album 76:53 (or whatever it's called) is one of the
finest ambient works ever. Buy it.
I also agree that their remix of Chapterhouse's second album (the original
is probably the most disappointing album of all time) is bloody ace. Reload
have also done some great remixes of Aphex Twin's stuff.
Cheers,
Mark
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:58:19 -0500
From: Matt/Summer Holiday <mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu>
Subject: Re: In Mind
I gotta say that while yes In Mind is a beautiful song, it must not be
overlooked that "Country Rain" off the 5ep is completly amazing. I might
go as far as to say that it's one of my favorite Slowdive songs.
Any fan that doesn't have 5ep needs to find it!!!
-matt
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:03:33 -0500
From: Srilank@aol.com
Subject: looking for "in mind" / "morningrise"
>> Just wanted to tell you all that in crazy berkeley CA u.s.a. at 'rasputins
>> records', one of my favorite record stores, they have 2 copies of
>> "morningrise" there, 9.99 each.. (cd). I was suprised to find thsese there
>> and wanted to post about it because i know it is pretty much impossible to
>> find slowdive e.p.s anymore (along with the 'in mind' remixes - which i have
>> been looking for for about 2 years!! so so glad to find this one finally!!
>
>> it is excellent too).
For those that are looking for either of these, the recent Siren Disc ad has
them both listed as "in stock" for $9.99 each. E-mail them at
siren@earthlink.net or tap their page at sirencd.com.
jason
onnow: FSOL - Dead Cities
srilank@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:02:49 -0500
From: Srilank@aol.com
Subject: Re: in mind remixes
> keep in mind (ha ha) you'll only be getting 1 new song so don't pay too
> much. it took me a long time to like the original version, and still i
> think the second of the two remixes blows it away. What is it, the two
> hundred and blah blah version? I can't remember but it's one of my
> favorite of all songs ever created anywhere at any time in any place and
> in any dimension.
The remix was done by Reload, who are tom middleton and mark pritchard aka
Global Communication (among other things). This is a wonderful take of "in
mind" and is completely consistent w/ the rest of their material. Global
Communication did some remixing (o.k. reworking and discarding ;) of
Chapterhouse's _Blood Music_, entitled _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ that
sounds *alot* like this. However, _PM_ is *very* difficult to locate, as it
seems their label Dedicated put it oop after initial pressings. There was
word that it was reissued, but I have not seen nary a one.
...ironic on top of ironics I read this post after I typed the above --
> For those who like the "In Mind" remixes, you might want to get a hold of
> the first (and only) Reload album or the Global Communication album (Global
> Comm., Reload, Jedi Knights are all the same thing). Two very beautiful
> melodic (ugh .... I'll say it ...ambient) electronic works.
>
> Global Comm. also did some kickin' remixes for Chapterhouse (see the
> "Pentamoris Metamorphosis" EP).
The collaborative push to bring the world (or at least this list) closer to
GC :)
jason
onnow: FSOL - Dead Cities
srilank@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 00:53:49 EST
From: metal.mickey@juno.com (matthew a lohrke)
Subject: Pygmalion
Hey there,
Is there anyone in the US who has Pygmalion that would be willing to
record it for me?? I've only seen one time, and that was in Victorville,
California in the middle of desert and I had no $. If anyone
can/will/wants to record it for me, please let me know.
Thanx.
Matthew Lohrke / metal.mickey@juno.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:24:33 -0600
From: mps2@cec.wustl.edu (Michael Peter Stein)
Subject: Spectrum?
Slowdivers:
I hate to waste the mailing list's bandwidth, but here goes...
I remember there being a pretty big Spacemen 3 fan on the list. I really
dig Spiritualized, but now I'm trying to move on to the Sonic Boom axis.
I got the 2nd EAR album "Beyond the Pale" and found it kind of washy and
boring. I like ambient music, but this was too much knob twiddling and had
no point... Anyway, I'm considering buying some Spectrum stuff (I'm willing
to give Kember another chance). Anybody got a recommendation on what to get?
Is the new ltd. ed. EP on Reprise any good?
-Mike Stein
mps2@cec.wustl.edu
ON NOW: Labradford - "Columna de la Independencia" (Merge)
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:20:58 -0500
From: avalyn@chesco.com
Subject: re: Spectrum?
All of Sonics albums are pretty good. There are three, Spectrum (which was
actually released as Sonic Boom "Spectrum"), Soul Kiss (Glide Divine), and
Highs, Lows, and Heavenly Blows. I would say the third is the best. "Then
I Just Drifted Away" is one of my fav Spectrum songs. Soul Kiss is more
spacey ambient stuff, but nowhere near as much as EAR stuff. HLAHB and
Spectrum were never released in the US(if that's where you are), but Soul
Kiss was. Hmm I haven't seen the new ep, but I'm kinda out of it these days
cause I have no money.
bye ryan
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:33:44 GMT -5
From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe>
Subject: Re: Spectrum?
> I remember there being a pretty big Spacemen 3 fan on the list. I really
> dig Spiritualized, but now I'm trying to move on to the Sonic Boom axis.
> I got the 2nd EAR album "Beyond the Pale" and found it kind of washy and
> boring. I like ambient music, but this was too much knob twiddling and had
> no point...
Ooopss, well i really love that album, i consider it is exagerately cosmic
and narcotic and i love that!!
> Anyway, I'm considering buying some Spectrum stuff (I'm willing
> to give Kember another chance). Anybody got a recommendation on what to get?
> Is the new ltd. ed. EP on Reprise any good?
Well the more "poppy" are the Indian Summer ep -I'm sure you'll love this-
and the Sonic's solo album, "Spectrum". Both great!
"High, lows and Heavenly Blows" has some "poppy" gems on it - take your time-
and some ethereal pieces too -don't pass me by- but the songs "feedback" and
"then i just drifted away" -which came together- are pretty mindblowing, you
must have it!
"Soul kiss (glide divine)" are absolutely mindblowing too, you can't lose
jewels like "sweet running water", "touch the stars" "the drunk suite",
"lord i don't even know my name", etc... This album is sweetly cosmic, and
of course -as anything release by anyone into the spacemen 3 family- very
very narcotic...
Yes, yes... i'm "fucked up child of this world" which is something i have to
thank to Sonic Boom, Jason Pierce and Pete Bassman. Thanks!!!!!
Regards.
Wilder.
"Se Girasol"
PS: I guess that the new ep, "Songs for Owsley" have been released only in
the UK...
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:32:50 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan <sumcgowa@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Spectrum?
greetings mike.
...hmmm, perhaps the 'soul kiss (glide divine)' album which is available
domestically on silvertone. one pop song, and the rest characteristic
spectrum guitar-wash-noise epics. if you were referring to the 'songs for
owsley' ep (i think that's what it's called), this is okay. hope this helps
some!
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Date: 12 Nov 1996 21:29:58 -0000
From: "the mushroom" <ovniesque@hotmail.com>
Subject: holding our breath
anyone in the sf/bay area want to sell there "holding our beath" ep?
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:44:45 -0500
From: Melochrome@aol.com
Subject: melochrome debut in chicago on december 7...
the band melochrome makes its debut performance at the beat kitchen in
chicago on saturday, december 7. influences include:velvet underground,
cranes, my bloody valentine, cure, mary chain, byrds, slowdive, nick
drake....
for more information email melochrome@aol.com...
there may be limited spots on the guest list for those who respond soon...
free tapes will be available at the show.
"and when seasons come between us,
it's winter in my mind..." melochrome, "holly"
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:16:19 -0500
From: Moonstar9@aol.com
Subject: FSOL's "Dead Cities"
can someone tell me if this is worth buying and how is it compared to ISDN
and that double album with the girl on the cover that came out before?
Jared
ps. please respond before friday...thanks
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:49:58 -0500 (EST)
From: grilledcheese <hotrod@grove.ufl.EDU>
Subject: Re: FSOL's "Dead Cities"
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 Moonstar9@aol.com wrote:
> can someone tell me if this is worth buying and how is it compared to ISDN
> and that double album with the girl on the cover that came out before?
i never heard FSOL (should i ?) but i have heard that dead cities is
amazing from people. that sure tells yyou alot doesn't uit?
arrfg
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:07:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: NWND@grove.iup.edu
Subject: fsol's new morbid letdown
for any slowdivers' interested in buying the new fsol, it's not so simple as
recommending it or dissing it. on one hand it's an agressive follow-up to the
dreamy lifeforms, but at times it tends to overmasculinize...there's a sample
that makes me think i'm listening to kmfdm, it's something about killing...but
otherwise it's a sincere return...the atmosphere is incredibly pessemistic, i'd
go so far as to say speculative as to the aftermaths of life...but for the
money lifeforms is a beautiful, and in the context of other ambient recordings,
an absolute masterpiece...if you dont have lifeforms buy that...if you want
something new, buy the "my kingdom" single, and if none of this seems to appeal
buy an everything but the girl cd and be glad someome bridged leonard cohen
with a woman's perspective (so i'm told)...i'm recommending massive attack
(any) because that's the music of life...
bryan
(submitting to impertinent tangents because he's drunk)
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:31:48 -0500
From: neptune6acs.bu.edu@mvlc.lib.ma.us
Subject: mailto:avalyn@lysator.liu.se
has anyone read the kevin shields interview on the ned's atomic
dust bin show? (i think thats what it was called..) interesting that
he called all the other ambient rock bands at the time "cold" and
"unimaginative" with "dreary sounding vocals". it was interesting to learn
that the valentines use of pedals was actually quite minimal. the more
i thought about it though i think he did have a point that using pedals
is a pretty cheap and easy way of making music. funny that he didnt say
that about the cocteau twins, seefeel or fsa. i dont understand that
man.....any comments?
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:35:03 -0500
From: avalyn@chesco.com
Subject: Re: shields/effects
At 10:31 AM 11/21/96 -0500, you wrote:
>has anyone read the kevin shields interview on the ned's atomic
>dust bin show?(i think thats what it was called..) interesting that
>he called all the other ambient rock bands at the time "cold" and
>"unimaginative" with "dreary sounding vocals". it was interesting to learn
>that the valentines use of pedals was actually quite minimal. the more
>i thought about it though i think he did have a point that using pedals
>is a pretty cheap and easy way of making music. funny that he didnt say
>that about the cocteau twins, seefeel or fsa. i dont understand that
>man.....any comments?
Using pedals might be an easy way of making music, but i personally could
care less. I enjoy listeneing to bands that use lots of pedals and effects
and that is what matters to me. Some bands are just like all effects, but
that's ok by me cause the effects sound cool. Ya know?
bye ryan
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Date: 21 Nov 1996 21:42:26 PST
From: avalyn@wgserv.baudtown.com
Subject: alison
feedback please..
is the bassline for alison really as simple as i perceive it to be?
verse:
1------------------------------------
2------------------------------------
3-0--0-0-0--2-2-2-2--0-0-0-0-2-2-2-2- you get the picture
4------------------------------------
chorus:
1--------------------------------------
2---2-2-2etc------------------------0--
3-----------2-2-2-etc-0-0-0-etc-etc----
4--------------------------------------
thanks..
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Date: 21 Nov 1996 22:45:46 PST
From: avalyn@wgserv.baudtown.com
Subject: love spirals downward
does anyone have their discography..?
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:17:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Misanthropy <jm804093@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: love spirals downward
On 21 Nov 1996 avalyn@wgserv.baudtown.com wrote:
> does anyone have their discography..?
Projekt 71 -- Ever CD
Projekt 70 -- Sideways Forest CD EP
Projekt ?? -- Ardor
Projekt ?? -- Idylls
Check Projekt's web page (http://www.projekt.com) for more info
Everything by Love Spirals Downward comes highly recommended...
Julie
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:37:33 -0500
From: Patrick Dutton <psdutton@ns.cent.com>
Subject: big fan
I am a huge fan of anything with Neil or Rachel on it. I am not blessed
with all their bootlegs in fact only the Norweigan one, but I do have all
their offical releases. Great stuff.
pATRICK dutton
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