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Scandinavian Indie Digest Vol 97 Issue 03
scan-indie-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 3 20 Nov 1997
Today's Topics:
Re: Popstad '97
Bob hund
Re: Bob hund
Industrial Festival in Stockholm
Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Sin's Music on the Radio [24-Nov-97]
Gig Guide I (Luger BA) [19-Nov-97]
Gig Guide II (Skrikhult BA) [19-Nov-97]
Administrivia about 8-bit chars.
Re: Hello norwegian freak!
Re: Bob hund
Re: Administrivia about 8-bit chars.
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
MoonFire Intertainment?
Link to a page with character information
Re: Administrivia about 8-bit chars.
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Re: Caroline af Ugglas
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:52:00 -0000
From: "Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7" <AbbottD7@defec3.agw.bt.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Popstad '97
Ludde!
You've only heard BAD things about K-Pist?
What bad things? Who said them?
In this here englishman's humble opinion, K-Pist will soon be one of the
most revered bands in Sweden; though right now they're probably only a
little more than a chinese-whisper-rumour in the ears of most future
fans.
Could it be that K-Pist's detractors are jealous of their collective
youth (Add their ages together and you'll come up with a number below
60...), or perhaps the absolute lack of any fake whining-angst-misery in
their music has got certain people's backs up?
Their mutant brand of explosive big-beat hip-hop and monster spacerock
electrocution smashes down musical boundaries in ways that bandwagon
jumping indie-chancers from my own country (uh, Primal Scream, Chemical
Brothers, Chumbawumba etc) can only dream of; and would wake up very
confused if they did.
K-Pist ROCK, and they rock without the aid of a single guitar! NO
GUITARS! Ha!
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE guitars and have indeed wasted most of my
life revelling in the joys that only the amplified twang of a steel
string can bring... but with the sole backing of BIG drums and insane
wiry keyboards, the three K-Pisters somehow add 2 and 2 together and
come out with 7. Like the Beastie Boys, Bo Diddley and Black Sabbath,
K-Pist have that instinctive "less is more" thing going... a truth that
lies at the core of all fine music, and has done since that holy moment
when early man bashed two rocks together and grinned from ear to ear
with the beauty of his discovery.
What's more, this early on in their career, their songs are already
dealing with such complex and universal themes as WAR, SPACE and VIDEO
GAMES. What more could you ask for?
A couple of years from now and Europe will surely be gasping for breath
under a veritable avalanche of K-Pist wannabees. Mark my words.
I only wish I could witness the live K-Pist machine in action more
often, but living over here makes that difficult. I'm supremely envious
of anyone lucky enough to live within K-Pist performance radius. Still,
don't just take my word for it, go and see them!
- Daniel
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:15:00 +-100
From: Mikael Fant <mikael.fant@swipnet.se>
Subject: Bob hund
Since there already is a cover on the new Bob hund EP, I got a bit
suspicious if possibly "Rock 'n' Roll tar dod pa mej" is a swedish
cover of Suicide's brilliant "Rock 'n' Roll is killing my life".
Anybody know anything about this?
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:34:46 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: Bob hund
> From: Mikael Fant <mikael.fant@swipnet.se>
>
> Since there already is a cover on the new Bob hund EP, I got a bit
> suspicious if possibly "Rock 'n' Roll tar dod pa mej" is a swedish
> cover of Suicide's brilliant "Rock 'n' Roll is killing my life".
Strange that BH start to play covers now, after quite a few years
running. They never did that before, not live, not on record.
They've gone to pains retaining their originality, but I'm not
complaining... They guys are cool, no matter what they play.
The bald guy (Conny?) was on ZTV the other day, paying due sto one of
his heroes - wishing a video from Magazine. It wasn't any good, IMHO.
Jan
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:53:55 +0100
From: Marten.Sahlen@xt.etx.ericsson.se (Marten Sahlen)
Subject: Industrial Festival in Stockholm
I know not many people will be interested in this, but what I am about
to announce is Scandinavian and it sure is as indie as it gets. So I
believe it more than well fits the charter for this list.
On the Saturday the 29th of this month the two cultural societies DayGlo
and The Nursery are proud to present the cream of the crop when it comes
to Swedish industrial/dark ambient bands.
The bands Sanctum, Raison d'Etre, Megaptera, and Mental Destruction will
play at the club K23 at Kungsgatan 23 in Stockholm. Doors open at 7 PM,
and admission is 80 kronor. The venue is strictly drug/alcohol free, which
means there's no age limit. Though there is a nice cafe within the premises.
All bands reside on the Linkoping based record label Cold Meat Industry
(http://www.coldmeat.se/) which incidentally celebrates its 10 year anniversary
this week. (And it's not even in Chief's list of Swedish labels, even though
it's located in his home town... boooh :)
Hope to see some of you there. Believe me, this is a marvellous chance to
check out what this type of music is all about.
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:12:23 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Caroline af Ugglas
I don't know if it's very indie to drag this name to the Scan-list, but
i wonder what people think of Caroline af Ugglas?!
OK, so she might be the little darling of the evening papers, but she's
also being played at credible stations like Rocket 95,3.
So what is everybody's opinion? Seen her videos, live shows? Tell me!
Apparently she's playing live this saturday at Fritz Corner
(Stockholm), so I want a second opinion before i go there and make a
fool out of myself. ;-P
Jan
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:39:59 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
At 19:12 1997-11-18 +0100, j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) wrote:
> I don't know if it's very indie to drag this name to the Scan-list, but
> i wonder what people think of Caroline af Ugglas?!
Well, you asked for it - I have to say that I can't stand her and her
music at all. She's trying so hard to be something of like a mix between
Bjork and Alanis Morrisette. 20% the weirder part of Bjork and 80% Alanis.
And I'm not only talking about the music.
So if you ask me, no, I wouldn't even consider going to see her.
//Erik
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:45:57 +0100
From: Cilja Kwon <cilja.kwon@mbox300.Swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
>>> At 19:12 1997-11-18 +0100, j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know if it's very indie to drag this name to the Scan-list, but
>>> i wonder what people think of Caroline af Ugglas?!
>>
>> Well, you asked for it - I have to say that I can't stand her and her
>> music at all. She's trying so hard to be something of like a mix between
>> Bjork and Alanis Morrisette. 20% the weirder part of Bjork and 80% Alanis.
>> And I'm not only talking about the music.
>>
>> So if you ask me, no, I wouldn't even consider going to see her.
In this case... her music is better live than on record..
/D
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:11:31 +0100 (MET)
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Sin's Music on the Radio [24-Nov-97]
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Scandinavian Indie MUSIC ON THE RADIO Scandinavian Indie
November 24 -> 27, 1997
by Erik Soderstrom (chief@lysator.liu.se)
Day Date Artist Recorded
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Mon 24/11 Spiritualized Stockholm, Lollipop 26-Jul-97
Tue 25/11 Stefan Sundstr|m G|teborg, K}ren Nov-97
Wed 26/11 Jennifer Brown Lule}, 31-Jul-97
Thu 27/11 Fidget, Silverbullit Emmaboda, Festival Aug-97
This list covers the Swedish National Channel P3's "Live" - at 21.03-22.00
or 18.03-19.00 where marked with a '*'. (R) = Rerun
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:11:49 +0100 (MET)
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Gig Guide I (Luger BA) [19-Nov-97]
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Scandinavian Indie Luger Tour List UPDATE Scandinavian Indie
November 19th, 1997
by Erik Soderstrom (chief@lysator.liu.se)
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SCANDINAVIAN:
BREACH (S) - Burning Heart / MD
Dec 18 Lulea (S) Fiskekyrkan New Date, w/Him Kerosene (S)
DIMMU BORGIR (N) - Nuclear Blast / House Of Kicks
+ OLD MANS CHILD (N) - Century Media / HoK
+ WITHERING SURFACE (DK) - Euphonious / Border
Nov 25 Vanersborg (S) Strommar'n New Date
THE HELLACOPTERS (S) - White Jazz / HOK
Dec 13 Stockholm (S) Electric Garden New Date
HIM KEROSENE (S) - Telegram / Warner
Dec 18 Lulea (S) Fiskekyrkan New Date, w/Breach (S)
MONSTER (S) - MVG Records / MD
Dec 06 Sandviken (S) Kungen
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The COMPLETE Luger Tour List is posted to the mailing list now and then.
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:12:05 +0100 (MET)
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Gig Guide II (Skrikhult BA) [19-Nov-97]
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Scandinavian Indie Skrikhult Tour List _Update_ Scandinavian Indie
November 19th, 1997
by Erik Soderstrom (chief@lysator.liu.se)
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SCANDINAVIAN:
A-BOMBS (S) - Outside Soceity / House of Kicks
28/11 Oslo Mars (N) CANCELLED
29/11 Halden T B A (N) CANCELLED
CANDYSUCK (S) - StarTracks / House of Kicks
31/1 Ockelbo Gotan New Date
MAZARINE STREET (S) - FineTone / MD *NEW*
28/11 Kalmar Alcatraz
29/11 Lyngby Templet
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NON-SCANDINAVIAN:
SPITFIRE (RUS) - Seadog / Border
22/11 Oslo Mars (N) CANCELLED
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The complete Skrikhult Production Tour List is posted once/month
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:46:21 +0200
From: Henrik Engstroem <elegans@algonet.se>
Subject: Administrivia about 8-bit chars.
Hm, point taken.
But I have a question: Does the no-special-character-rule include names,
signatures etc, or only body message? Silly question perhaps, but I had to
ask anyhow.
/Henrik
> ---=== PLEASE ===--- remember NOT to use SWEDISH CHARACTERS !
>
> When you do, you:
>
> 1. only reach about half the "normal" list members
> 2. create A LOT of work for me due to all the mail coming back
> from the people who can not receive the message
> 3. create EVEN MORE work for me due to all the Digests coming
> back from people who can not receive the ENTIRE digest
> because of a few Swedish characters in one message.
>
> I'm sorry, but you really _must_ remember NOT to use these
> "special" characters. Failure to do so will only result in
> you being removed from the list (automatically after three
> occasions by the mailing list server).
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:58:20 -0800
From: xander@sirius.com
Subject: Re: Hello norwegian freak!
Hi Karl,
if you do bite the bullet and make the chain tape, please include me on the
mailing list.
Thanks!
Alexander Bailey
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:58:20 -0800
From: Mats L <blooob@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Bob hund
Jan Sundstrom wrote:
> The bald guy (Conny?) was on ZTV the other day, paying due sto one of
> his heroes - wishing a video from Magazine. It wasn't any good, IMHO.
Johnny.
Magazine is ALWAYS good!
/Mats
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:23:38 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: Administrivia about 8-bit chars.
>> I'm sorry, but you really _must_ remember NOT to use these
>> "special" characters. Failure to do so will only result in
>> you being removed from the list (automatically after three
>> occasions by the mailing list server).
>
> But I have a question: Does the no-special-character-rule include names,
> signatures etc, or only body message?
Strange, this is the first list I hear have these problems. OK, I'm not
a list administator, so I don't know what trouble lies behind, but
there are several lists out there where swedish is frequently used.
Are they using different list-ware, or how come they manage swedish
chars?
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:30:44 +0100
From: Mats L <blooob@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Jan Sundstrom wrote:
> I don't know if it's very indie to drag this name to the Scan-list, but
> i wonder what people think of Caroline af Ugglas?!
She and her music stinks. Blaaaooork.
Read Kristoffer Triumfs review of her album in
Nojesguiden. It says all.
http://www.nojesguiden.se
Mats
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:32:07 +0100
From: baars@bahnhof.se (Girilal Baars)
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
>> I don't know if it's very indie to drag this name to the Scan-list, but
>> i wonder what people think of Caroline af Ugglas?!
Well, it depends on your definition of Indie. V2, her record company is
new, but it is owned by Richard Branson, formerly of Virgin Records and
one of Europes richest men. Independent??
> DAMN THE MAN.....
> or damn the people responsible for releasing Caroline af Ugglas!
That would be Patrik Sventelius, the man who signed Nordman to Sony,
now at V2.
> She and her music stinks. Bloooaaark.
She seems independent enough to start a lot of people off on a hate campaign.
Me, I "hate" the Cardigans for being such a wash-out, sell-out, meek,
recycle-the-sixties-again-sell-a-lot-of-records-in-Japan-then-use-the-money-
to-promote-the-band-to-greatness-elsewhere-and-all-the-teeny-boppers-will-
fall-for-it-cause-she-is-so-cute, and making muzak for the nineties kind of
band. I wouldn't "hate" them just because I don't like their music - that
would mean spending a lot of time hating, because there's always more bad
music being made than good music.
So, why do people hate C. af Ugglas? I'm not saying she's good - I think
she's pretty darn bad - but why hate her with such earnestness? She
probably wants to try and do something different - she failed, but why hate
her?
Girilal Baars
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:48:10 +0100
From: Christer Nilsson <d91-cni@nada.kth.se>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
stop hating.
listen to jazz.
-christer
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:12:18 +0100
From: Mats L <blooob@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Christer Nilsson wrote:
> stop hating.
Not as long as she's around.
> listen to jazz.
I do.
> -christer
Mats
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:10:28 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
scan-indie@lysator.liu.se,Internet writes:
>> or damn the people responsible for releasing Caroline af Ugglas!
>
> That would be Patrik Sventelius, the man who signed Nordman to Sony,
> now at V2.
Heh, Patrik used to be cool. He was responsible for Mute Records once
in the 80's. He fixed me interviews with nitzer Ebb, Laibach etc.
Obviously, he's gone downhill since... He was also involved as producer
(Atomic Swing et al.)
>> She and her music stinks. Blxxxxxrk.
OK, someone used sw-chars again, does it count if you quote the other
persons message too, chief?
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:18:49 +0100
From: Mats L <blooob@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Girilal Baars wrote:
> Me, I "hate" the Cardigans for being such a wash-out, sell-out....etc
I don't like the Cardigans music much at all, but I do not know any band
that is down-to-earth with their success and staredom as they are.
> So, why do people hate C. af Ugglas? I'm not saying she's good - I think
> she's pretty darn bad - but why hate her with such earnestness? She
> probably wants to try and do something different - she failed, but why hate
> her?
Her voice
Her music
Her lyrics
Listening to her being intervjued. The way she takes herself so damn
serious.
Her looks (ok, I know that's a low one)
Her video
Seeing her peerforming live
And all the darn hype around her all the months before no-one even had
heard her records.
Mats
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:13:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Cardigans1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
In a message dated 11/19/97 8:27:31 AM, you wrote:
> I don't like the Cardigans music much at all, but I do not know any band
> that is down-to-earth with their success and staredom as they are.
hmmmmm, no comment on their music
jason
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:07:05 +0100 (MET)
From: Micke Rehnstrom <micre215@student.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
>> I don't know if it's very indie to drag this name to the Scan-list, but
>> i wonder what people think of Caroline af Ugglas?!
>
> Well, it depends on your definition of Indie. V2, her record company is
> new, but it is owned by Richard Branson, formerly of Virgin Records and one
> of Europes richest men. Independent??
Ah! Reminds me (and some others, I guess) of when I tried to start a "what
is indie" discussion about a year ago. Think it was interrupted, because
people thought it was no use discussing - every person has his/her own
subjective view of what "indie" is and there are so many views (to me, that
is a strange way of saying that there is no need discussing the topic,
because subjectivity is the whole basis for discussing anything. If there
is an objective way of seeing things, that also means that there is nothing
to discuss. Discussions are two, or more, people giving their subjective
way of looking at things and, thereby, perhaps learning something from each
other).
To me, you cannot be indie if you are on a "rich" label. Because I agree
with Ola Hermanson (Ceilidh, Sonic Surf City, Trampolene Records (THE
CARDIGANSs label !!)) who claims that "indie is not a musical style, it is
an attitude". If a band has a choice between a rich and a not-so-rich label
- why choose the rich one? Because it will be able to sell a whole lot of
your records, through spending a whole lot of money on expensive producers,
promotion etc. Is there any other reason to choose a big label instead of a
small one? Not sure, because I am not a musician myself. But wanting to
sell a lot of records is not included in my definition of what "indie" is.
Which does not, of course, mean that these bands have to be bad (even if
they most oftenly are, for some reason).
So, sorry for bringing this up again. I am not trying to say that we should
not discuss bands such as THE CARDIGANS, POPSICLE or KENT (I almost fell
off my chair when "Om du var har" was played on MTV:s "Alternative Nation"
last night) here, even if these bands are not "indie" from my point of
view. I dont really care about that, I like most kinds of music and bands
and some of my favourite bands are definitely non-indie. Just wanted to
give my view and see if someone else was interested and, perhaps, had
another view. Or should we go back to discussions where subjectivity is not
involved:
- That house has three floors.
- Yes, it has.
End!
/Micke
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:02:25 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
>>> I don't know if it's very indie to drag this name to the Scan-list, but
>>> i wonder what people think of Caroline af Ugglas?!
>>
>> Well, it depends on your definition of Indie. V2, her record company is
>> new, but it is owned by Richard Branson, formerly of Virgin Records
>> and one of Europes richest men. Independent??
>
> Ah! Reminds me (and some others, I guess) of when I tried to start a
> "what is indie" discussion about a year ago.
>
> End!
Urrgh! I agree with Micke. Please don't start that thread again. You're
forcing me to unsub, and you wouldn't want that, would you ;-)
Jan
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:14:39 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: MoonFire Intertainment?
Has anybody heard of this site? "MoonFire Intertainment"?
I just stumbled upon it today as I was looking for information
about the Motor booking agency, and it seems they have a site
"under" MoonFire. But MoonFire is a swedish music site with a
information in English - homepages for a bunch of Swedish bands
(who actually already have their _own_ homepages..., but these
ones aren't very current). The page I was somewhat impressed
by was the Cardigans one, because it had a whole bunch of their
videos in RealVideo and two 1 hour shows - one was their gig at
the Stockholm Water Festival and the other their gig at the
Stockholm Records 5-year anniversary.
But who are these people? They have something to do with the
company LM Ericsson Data and Stockholm Records as far as I can
understand. But "our record store" is the US online store "CD
Universe" and "our Live broadcasts" is the US live broadcast
site SonicNet (?) Their "video channels" is pretty cool though
- even though these only play old videos with Stockholm Records'
artists.
I had to cut out their review of "Kpist - Voltage Controlled"
by the way - it is pretty funny:
----
Kpist
Votage Controlled
NONS records
NONS records from the north of Sweden has with small resources managed
to achieve success abroad. In Japan many NONS bands sell quite well, and
Comeda was recently the personal choice of Beck as his opening act during
the enigmatic performers european tour. Kpist is a new band on the label,
and their frst release Voltage Controlledis an explosive mix of Beastie Boys,
Beck and techno. It's a hardhitting sound, but tinged with an experimental
feel and a charming synthezier that is allowed to dominate the production in
a sometimes almost comical way. Kpist is swedish for "submachinegun" and
somehow a quite apt name for this lot.
----
All in all, the site seems to be in beta testing stage since August
(as most of the stuff on it is last updated around that time) and
I don't think it is really "open to the public yet". I hope it isn't
anyway (check the "free stuff" section, the spelling, the headlines
(ex: "Royal Book Panned in Britain"), the "latest music news" from
around March/April and so on ;-))
Interesting? Check out www.moonfire.com
//Erik
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:17:21 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Link to a page with character information
Just to make sure everyone's got a list of which characters are
okay to use when posting to this mailing list and which are not,
here is a link to a page with the complete ASCII code table:
http://www.ping.be/~ping6758/isolatin.htm
Okay characters are those in the range 0-127.
Not okay characters are the ones above 127.
//Erik
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:02:19 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Administrivia about 8-bit chars.
At 21:46 1997-11-18 +0200, Henrik Engstroem <elegans@algonet.se> wrote:
> But I have a question: Does the no-special-character-rule include names,
> signatures etc, or only body message? Silly question perhaps, but I had to
> ask anyhow.
and j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) wrote:
> Strange, this is the first list I hear have these problems. OK, I'm not
> a list administator, so I don't know what trouble lies behind, but
> there are several lists out there where swedish is frequently used.
> Are they using different list-ware, or how come they manage swedish
> chars?
It actually has nothing to do with this mailing list or the computers
we are using here, but with the rest of the world's mail servers and
mail clients (I know our servers can handle the Extended ASCII charset,
and most of the Nordic ones can today, because we want to be able to
use our "special" characters, but for the rest of the world it isn't
that important).
The thing is that, like with everything else, everyone does not have
the latest version of everything. Some people are still using Windows 3.1
and Mosaic browsers for example. Just like some people drive cars that
can not use "environment-friendly" unleaded gasoline.
But of course one could just simply say "I don't care about those people,
I'll design a website using Scriplets" for example - and let all the
people who are _not_ using Internet Explorer 4.0 go someplace else - or
make them download Internet Explorer 4.0 and use it.
Texaco could, if they wanted to, only sell unleaded gasoline and nothing
else, and let those who drive cars that can't use that type of gas go
someplace else, or make them buy cars that do.
And if I didn't care about those on the Scandianvian Indie mailing list
who have the misfortune to be behind mailservers or have clients that
can't handle the extended ASCII character set, I wouldn't have said a
word about all this.
But I DO care about the listees, and I DO want every subscriber to
receive every message posted to the list.
- So, as long as this is an international list and until someone tells
me that everyone on this list, and every new subscriber, are using mail-
servers and clients that can handle the Extended ASCII character set,
the SmartList server is set to only allow 7-bit.
Hope that cleared it up somewhat.
//Erik
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:07:01 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
>> She and her music stinks. Blxxxxxrk.
>
> OK, someone used sw-chars again, does it count if you quote the other
> persons message too, chief?
Unfortunately yes, but you did the right thing xxxxxxxx-ing the
enemy-characters out there! ;-)
//Erik
(and the now enslaved original sender did beg for mercy already...)
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:13:13 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
> Girilal Baars wrote:
>
>> Me, I "hate" the Cardigans for being such a wash-out, sell-out....etc
>
> I don't like the Cardigans music much at all, but I do not know any band
> that is down-to-earth with their success and staredom as they are.
I have to pitch in here and say that I just checked out their old
"when Nina had dark hair" video to Rise & Shine, and BOY were they
good back then! And now.. I haven't even bought their latest album...
But it has nothing to do with the Cardigans _the individuals_ in
this case, only with their music.
>> So, why do people hate C. af Ugglas? I'm not saying she's good - I think
>> she's pretty darn bad - but why hate her with such earnestness? She
>> probably wants to try and do something different - she failed, but why hate
>> her?
>
> Her voice
> Her music
> Her lyrics
> Listening to her being intervjued. The way she takes herself so damn
> serious.
> Her looks (ok, I know that's a low one)
> Her video
> Seeing her peerforming live
> And all the darn hype around her all the months before no-one even had
> heard her records.
>
> Mats
Ha ha ha! Well, it is funny. But it is also (sadly) true. She's trying
so desperately to "be different" that she fails and only appear like a
spoiled brat (or something), and I have no idea if it is her own
thinking behind it or if her label has told her to act like that. But
it is one of the two for sure.
//Erik
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:23:30 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Caroline af Ugglas
Micke Rehnstrom <micre215@student.liu.se> wrote:
> To me, you cannot be indie if you are on a "rich" label. Because I agree
> with Ola Hermanson (Ceilidh, Sonic Surf City, Trampolene Records (THE
> CARDIGANSs label !!)) who claims that "indie is not a musical style, it is
> an attitude".
But if you follow Ola's line of thinking, Sonic Surf City is (was) not
indie either. And then we have HappyDeadMen. They're not indie either?
The Merrymakers is another band I am curious to know if you label them
as an indie band? We have Finnish Lemonator who are signed to Warner
Finland now, but are releasing an EP on their own old label Grandpop
Records, by themselves next month. Are they indie or not by your
definition?
And how about labels that are owned by several different companies?
Creation/Sony? What's that label Prodigy is on? They have a deal with
Sony as well if I remember things right?
The question is - is a band, as soon as they sign with a "bigger"
company, not indie anymore?
As you can see, I don't agree. I believe that what is indie and what
is not is up to You to decide for yourself. If it matters.
//Erik
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