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Scandinavian Indie Digest Vol 04 Issue 08
Scandinavian Indie Digest Fri Jan 31, 1997 Volume 4 : Issue 08
There are 36 messages totalling 1054 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. journalists who suck (2)
2. Los Ass-draggers tour
3. Chavez & Railroad Jerk (no scan-indie content)
4. Northern Lights cassette update.
5. Non-Scan bands Gig Guide correction
6. Non-scan indie tapes (7)
7. Finnish tape
8. Hac ego caccavi (7)
9. Icy tape + diverse
10. "Pizzicato Five"
11. Panasonic (SF) (3)
12. diverse
13. Placebo (was Icy tape + diverse)
14. Freinds & support @ Tuben This Sat. 1/2
15. non scan indie *pop* tapes (3)
16. Sin's Fidget Contest Results!
17. Sin's Music on the Radio [03-Feb-96]
18. best single so far 97'
19. This Perfect Day & Superswirls gig
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:36:02 +0100 (MET)
From: hans.lindell@rockfile.se
Subject: re: journalists who suck
Dear Magnus.
What can I answer ?
I do not really need to discuss this further on....
But I really hope to see you att some of the big musicfairs some day, then
you might understand. When I read your comments It seems like the music
industry in your opinion are the same as "boring old music". The records you
buy seems to come from some other planet. Mail order from Mars ?
Do you have some idea that the music industry are just the major record
companies and publishers ?
As I said before, I dont understand why I discuss this. I dont work for
the MIDEM or any other big part of the whole thing.....
I just mentioned what I know and my thoughts....
In your comments it seems that you back up the papers and magazines - and I
do not understand why ?
Yours Sincerly.
Hans Lindell
P.S. I do work for a small...a micro....label. Strawberry songs. Order our
new compilation " e-pop vol 2 " 40 SEK. Information att website :
www.rockfile/strawberry.html ( still under construction ).
Fax : + 46 (0)16 13 46 11 e-mail : hq@rockfile.se
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:23:47 +0100
From: akesson@canit.se (Olof Akesson)
Subject: Los Ass-draggers tour
Savage Magazine is proud to present
LOS ASS-DRAGGERS
On tour in Sweden February 1997
12/2 Skylten, Linköping - With the Grinners and the Idyls
13/2 Studio D-Takt, Uppsala - With the Grinners and the Trigger Happy Band
14/2 Kafé 44, Stockholm - With the Grinners and the Trigger Happy Band
PUNK ROCK ACTION BLAST SUPREME!!!!! GO DADDY DO!!!
Straight from Oviedo, Spain, comes one of the smokin'est punkrock bands
around today - Los Ass-Draggers!!! Taking all the r'n'r influences from
forty years back 'til now and blastin' 'em out super-crude style, muy rapido!
Think Teengenerate and Angry Samoans - Only ALOT faster!!!!
The all new full-length LP "Abbey Roadkill" is out on Crypt records where
such great bands as the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion and the New Bomb Turks
released their first albums. Their album has gotten rave reviews everywhere
and they were recently interviewed in Melody Maker..
Los Ass-Draggers was formed in 1993 by guitarist/cartoonist El Brat (Roberto
Albanil), singer Guss and bassist Bronco (and a bunch of replaced drummers).
They released their debut single in 1995 and in November 1995 they went in
the studio to record the album for Crypt.
They're going on a European tour from the 18th January to the 28th of
February and YOU have the chance to see 'em KICK ASS in Sweden on the dates
above! They'll be playing with some of Swedens best new punkrock bands.
THE GRINNERS are from Östersund and have just released their debut single on
Velodrome Records. Playing all three gigs.
THE IDYLS are from Linköping and are gonna release their debut single on new
label Ken Rock Records. Playing in Linköping.
THE TRIGGER HAPPY BAND are from Uppsala have released a self-released single
and a brand new one on American label Bag Of Hammers.
If you're into ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL you DON'T wanna miss this!!!!
This ain't no GAY TWIST - It's just ASSKICKIN'!!!
Mvh/Yours truly,
Olof Akesson
Savage: http://www.canit.se/~akesson
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:02:58 +0100 (MET)
From: magnus@lousy.pp.se (Magnus Johansson)
Subject: Re: Chavez & Railroad Jerk (no scan-indie content)
Per L}ngstr|m wrote:
> imho chavez sounds like jawbox (intense, hard-edged, guitar-based rock.
> think touch & go and dischord) but nowhere near as good.
Hmm... I've never heard Jawbox, but if they're better than Chavez I
think I'll have to get everything they've ever put out because I think
Chavez are brilliant. I'm not really sure what to compare them to, maybe
something like "Swervedriver playing emo-core".
> actually the guy doing the vocals sounds a lot like gbv's robert pollard
> and i am pretty sure gbv and chavez used to tour together.
Really? I don't know, never thought about that. But I must say I like
Chavez' vocals a lot more than GBVs, I've always thought that Robert
Pollard sounds like Jerry Williams... :)
> should be able to put on a good live-show though.
I second that.
/Magnus
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:23:04 -0500 (EST)
From: bluetonic <tog@exit109.com>
Subject: Northern Lights cassette update.
Hallo, I recieved the 'Northern Lights Shine Bright Tonight' tape-chain in
the post today. I have not heard it yet but I'll pass along my comments as
soon as I have listened to it a few times. I'll be sending the tape off to
Chris Forsberg in a day or two. If anyone has any updates let me know... =)
Regards,
/julian. (tog@exit109.com)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 03:15:14 +0100 (MET)
From: magnus@lousy.pp.se (Magnus Johansson)
Subject: re: journalists who suck
hans.lindell@rockfile.se wrote:
> What can I answer ?
>
> I do not really need to discuss this further on....
>
> But I really hope to see you att some of the big musicfairs some day, then
> you might understand.
Why can't you tell me? I sure won't go to a big musicfair as long as I don't
know what it's all about, then I'll only have my own visions about it and
boy, do they suck! :)
> When I read your comments It seems like the music industry in your opinion
> are the same as "boring old music".
Well, not really. But the words "music-industry" and "music-fair" really
doesn't sound very exciting to me.
> The records you buy seems to come from some other planet.
> Mail order from Mars ?
:):):):) No, that just shows how stupid I am - I didn't even know that one
could mail order from Mars. :)
> Do you have some idea that the music industry are just the major record
> companies and publishers ?
No. But I didn't think that there were a lot of minor dittos at MIDEM. But
apparently I was wrong.
> As I said before, I dont understand why I discuss this. I dont work for
> the MIDEM or any other big part of the whole thing..... I just mentioned
> what I know and my thoughts....
But it seems like you know a lot about it, so why is a discussion about
it THAT bad? I bet a lot of the people on this list are pretty unfamiliar
with music fairs, and just like me (and probably the sucky journalists)
think that it's some kind of boring place were record companies meet,
listen to AOR, kiss eachothers behinds and stuff like that. Don't just
tell us to go there, please tell us a little more about it. Oh yeah, I
remember now - you wrote that you were going to send a report to SI...
sorry, I can wait.
> In your comments it seems that you back up the papers and magazines - and I
> do not understand why ?
Me neither. :) Um... maybe they're just as prejudiced as I am? I think the
point that I'm trying to make is that the journalists that you missed in
Cannes, the ones we've said a thing or two about on this list, maybe
aren't that interested in the _music industry_, just the music. Though I
could be wrong. But I must say I'm kind of wondering what they would do
there? Listen to new music? Get bribes from record companies? I'm not
defending them, I'm... hmm... I think I'm trying to find out why they're
not there. I'm sorry if I'm annoying and a lot of other -ings, but I'm just
curious and honestly interested.
BTW, Olof Akesson wrote reg. Los DAss-raggers:
> Think Teengenerate and Angry Samoans - Only ALOT faster!!!!
Think, think, think... no, sorry, nothing. :)
Take care,
Magnus
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 06:21:04 +0100 (MET)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Non-Scan bands Gig Guide correction
A (suspected) correction to the Non-Scandinavian bands gig guide:
Biohazard is _not_ going to play in Lidkoping (wherever all the magazines,
papers etc. got that from) but in Linkoping at Skylten, like last time. :-)
---------
//Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:38:26 +0200 (EET)
From: Roberts Galvans <se51097@lanet.lv>
Subject: Non-scan indie tapes
Girls and boys
I've gotta idea--- what if our american friends,which are regular on
scan-indie mailing list, could make kinda _american indie tape_ or
something...
For example: it could be _Matador Records Tape_--- including such bands
as: CatP0wer, Guided By Voices, etc...
So!!! What you think about this???
RoberC
//se51097@lanet.lv
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:07:24 +0100 (MET)
From: Par Haggblad <d94pha@csd.uu.se>
Subject: Re: Non-scan indie tapes
> Girls and boys
>
> I've gotta idea--- what if our american friends, which are regular on
> scan-indie mailing list, could make kinda _american indie tape_ or
> something...
Superb! Get to it guys......
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From: beluga.tsg@stockholm.mail.telia.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:30:41 +0000
Subject: Re: Non-scan indie tapes
> I've gotta idea--- what if our american friends,which are regular on
> scan-indie mailing list, could make kinda _american indie tape_ or
> something...
Sounds good but Robert do you think your ears can take something thats not
swedish! "as you think that British pop is crap" there's a good American
band that you might like: "Tina, age 13"
>"britpop is FUCKING CRAP
> why can't anybody see that?
> cockney ASSHOLES doing their bit
> britpop is really SHIT!"
I can put an american tape together but not so much pop. something like:
Boss Martians/Hot Damn/Makers/Zoinks/Dog Faced Hermans/Drag/Dancing French
Liberals of 48/Schwartzneggar/Pizzicato Five/Railroad Jerk/Alice Donut etc
If you are interested send me a line: beluga.tsg@stockholm.mail.telia.com
Trevor
"Southeast London"
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:24:03 -0400
From: Michael Rehnstrom <micre215@knuten.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Finnish tape
Olof Akesson wrote:
>> And I also found three new favourite bands (if their tunes on the tape are
>> representative for them, that is): Laika & The Cosmonauts, I've heard of
>> them. Pekka Laine of the Hypnomen said they were the best instro-band
>> around. What do they sound like? Is it surf or...?
Well, this song ("The a treatment") is not really surf, even if some
guitars sound a bit Dick Dale-ish. There is a soul/dance groove which at
least I cannot resist, and I also think I hear some oriental influences. I
think our finnish friends (or someone else who knows them) should tell us
some more about this band.
/Micke
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:29:12 -0400
From: Michael Rehnstrom <micre215@knuten.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Hac ego caccavi
Martin Eksten wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Timo Riitamaa wrote:
>
>> on an independent label. at the same time Boredoms is on warner! alternative
>> means music that is listened by a small minority. how big this minority is,
>> is ofcourse another question. but nobody makes alternative music that is
>> bought by the big crowd, or whatever it was that the soundgarden singer
>> said.... if the band is in the top40, or whatever the list you have is
>> called, it's not alternative. it's mainstream.
>
> I'm not sure I agree. To me, if something is supposed to be called
> alternative it is because of the way it _sounds_ and not because of how
> many copies that are sold.
I also think that, if you want to categorize music, you must use sound as
one variable. There are a lot of german eurotechno-bands that noone listens
to, because they are crap, even with eurotechno standards. And i think it
feels wrong to call these bands alternative while Stina Nordenstam should
be called mainstream. I am sorry but I don't buy it.
/Micke
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:46:16 -0400
From: Michael Rehnstrom <micre215@knuten.liu.se>
Subject: Icy tape + diverse
Julian, I am glad to hear that you have received the finnish tape. The icy
icy tape is also on its way to you by now.
Then I have some questions:
I know that there is a swedish band called Placebo. Last week I saw, on
MTV's music nonstop (afternoon), a video with a band called Placebo. Are
there two bands with this name or are the swedes taking over MTV (you could
almost think so when watching the commercials on the channel nowadays).
And then I have a question to Trevor/Beluga who wrote:
> I can put an american tape together but not so much pop. something like:
> Boss Martians/Hot Damn/Makers/Zoinks/Dog Faced Hermans/Drag/Dancing French
> Liberals of 48/Schwartzneggar/Pizzicato Five/Railroad Jerk/Alice Donut etc
Pizzicato Five? I thought they were from Japan. Are there two bands with
this name?? Or are they japanese-americans? Is it the same band that made
"Twiggy" a couple of years ago?
/Micke
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:08:09 +0200 (EET)
From: Timo Riitamaa <timo.riitamaa@pp.kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: Hac ego caccavi
>>> on an independent label. at the same time Boredoms is on warner!
>>> alternative means music that is listened by a small minority. how big this
>>> minority is, is ofcourse another question. but nobody makes alternative
>>> music that is bought by the big crowd, or whatever it was that the
>>> soundgarden singer said.... if the band is in the top40, or whatever
>>> the list you have is called, it's not alternative. it's mainstream.
>>
>> I'm not sure I agree. To me, if something is supposed to be called
>> alternative it is because of the way it _sounds_ and not because of how
>> many copies that are sold.
>
> I also think that, if you want to categorize music, you must use sound as
> one variable. There are a lot of german eurotechno-bands that noone listens
> to, because they are crap, even with eurotechno standards. And i think it
> feels wrong to call these bands alternative while Stina Nordenstam should
> be called mainstream. I am sorry but I don't buy it.
This is just the reason why there is no point in discussing these things.
the conclusions that can be made sound like a nightmare full of pc. i
therefore decide to never in my life discuss it again.
If somebody around here likes Dead C., Aerobics & Cancer or Self Explosive
Static Circus, or just free/improv/noise in general should check out
Natisuta Hetekata. totally amazing. if somebody's interested i can give the
scoop. boogie.
n.p.: Guided by Voices boot
Timo
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:38:57 +0000
From: beluga.tsg@stockholm.mail.telia.com
Subject: "Pizzicato Five"
Hi Micke and all,
I was thinking of the the same "Pizzicato Five" as you, on Matador Records.
"TwiggyTwiggy" from the album "Made in the USA", also "Schwartzneggar" are
old Cr@ss, I think but I'm not 100%, that means there british, (from Eltham,
south east london) (Same as me)
> Pizzicato Five? I thought they were from Japan. Are there two bands with
> this name?? Or are they japanese-americans? Is it the same band that made
> "Twiggy" a couple of years ago?
Japan! then maybe I can put some "Teengenerate" on the tape as well.
Trevor
ps, not that Im trying take advantage of this nice "Scan - Indie"
but I am selling a cd called "Peace and Love" its a Japanese Punk Rock
Compilation with 20 bands 56minutes.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:44:34 +0100
From: akesson@canit.se (Olof Akesson)
Subject: Re: Non-scan indie tapes
>> "britpop is FUCKING CRAP
>> why can't anybody see that?
>> cockney ASSHOLES doing their bit
>> britpop is really SHIT!"
Are those the lyrics to song? If so I gotta say they're pretty lame. Brit
pop sucks of course. The only really good things to come out of England are
Billy Childish, Screaming Lord Sutch and maybe the X-Rays. Los Ass-Draggers
made a song about brit-pop called "Gay Twist" - Funny stuff!
> I can put an american tape together but not so much pop. something like:
> Boss Martians/Hot Damn/Makers/Zoinks/Dog Faced Hermans/Drag/Dancing French
> Liberals of 48/Schwartzneggar/Pizzicato Five/Railroad Jerk/Alice Donut etc
Boss Martians are TOO slick for my taste. What's the point of sounding
EXACTLY like a band from the sixties? Might as well get the originals
instead. Makers annoy me when ever I listen to 'em. They're a cool band but
I keep wishing for that singer to SHUT Up! Pizzicato Five - Aren't they
Japanese and not American?
Mvh/Yours truly,
Olof Akesson
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:00:30 +0100 (MET)
From: Johan Helmstad <md1johan@mdstud.chalmers.se>
Subject: Panasonic (SF)
Hi there,
do anyone know something about a band called Panasonic supposedly from
Finland that are supporting Swans on (at least the Swedish part of) their
current tour trough Europe.
Will it be worth while to show up early?
humbly asking.
Johan
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:14:53 +0200 (EET)
From: solaris@sci.fi (Kimmo Saaskilahti)
Subject: diverse
Some time ago, Michael Rehnstrom wrote:
* Then I have some questions:
*
* I know that there is a swedish band called Placebo. Last week I saw, on
* MTV's music nonstop (afternoon), a video with a band called Placebo.
I think there is a band from UK called Placebo...also for some reason
I seem to remember that they have a Swedish member...or I am confusing
them with some other band...
* Pizzicato Five? I thought they were from Japan.
Yes, they are from Japan.
* Is it the same band that made "Twiggy" a couple of years ago?
Yes.
Kimmo
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:35:39 +0100 (MET)
From: Johan <johan.rappe@mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: Hac ego caccavi
At 19.29 1997-01-28 -0400, Michael Rehnstrom wrote:
> I also think that, if you want to categorize music, you must use sound as
> one variable. There are a lot of german eurotechno-bands that noone listens
> to, because they are crap, even with eurotechno standards. And i think it
> feels wrong to call these bands alternative while Stina Nordenstam should
> be called mainstream. I am sorry but I don't buy it.
I my opinion eurotechno can never be alternative. Just because a band is
small it's not alternative. I have never heard a eurotechno gruop been
called alternative. Eurotechno is just crap music that you just can't listen
to, but it has one purpose - it's music that works like a bridge between
people with different music tastes. Alternative is today a wide music genre
and is other styles' superior but some styles doesn't fit under that
superior and eurotechno is one of them.
//
-JoHaN-
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 10:55:38 +0100
From: etxsahm@cyber.ericsson.se (Marten Sahlen)
Subject: Re: Panasonic (SF)
Johan Helmstad <md1johan@mdstud.chalmers.se> wrote
> Do anyone know something about a band called Panasonic supposedly from
> Finland that are supporting Swans on (at least the Swedish part of) their
> current tour trough Europe.
Panasonic are great, but they are most definitely not for everyone. They
play sort of "noise-techno"... with old analogue equipment (tone generators
and similar electrogadgets) they crank out an electric pulse which they
manipulate in various ways... shifting frequency and pitch and so on. Imagine
what it sounds like when your radio tuner is stuck between stations... static
noise. To this they add tremendously repetetive techno beats. They released
some EPs on the Finnish Sakho label, and were subsequently signed to Blast
First where they have released the "Vakio" CD and the "Osasto" EP.
Needless to say, Panasonic have gained lots of recognition both within the
industrial community and among the openminded contingent of the technocrowd.
You'll find a Panasonic interview in the last issue of the Novelty fanzine,
btw.
> Will it be worth while to show up early?
If you have a broad mind, and are open for new impulses... don't miss them.
I know people who are going just for Panasonic, but personally I'm thrilled,
to the least, about two amazing - albeit very disparate - bands the same
night.
Have to tell you this little story. Last summer, at the Love-All party in
Stockholm (a 48 hour art/performance happening) Panasonic played at like 3
in the morning, and I guess most people were not prepared for what was to come.
Panasonic just blasted out their monotonous noise fuzz, without any beats
whatsoever, which was too much for certain parts of the audience. People were
actually hooting and shouting things like "stop it" and "this isn't music, this
is just racket". The band just turned up the volume and continued.
Ha ha ha... poor bastards. Well anyway, you know what to expect. Pansonic
emphasize on noise and not techno when they play live. Bring earplugs.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:58:52 -0500
From: Mo Holkar / UKG <100745.3625@compuserve.com>
Subject: Placebo (was Icy tape + diverse)
> I know that there is a swedish band called Placebo. Last week I saw, on
> MTV's music nonstop (afternoon), a video with a band called Placebo. Are
> there two bands with this name or are the swedes taking over MTV (you could
> almost think so when watching the commercials on the channel nowadays).
The ones on MTV, probably playing a song called 'Nancy Boy', are half
Swedish, I think (ie. of the two of them, the guitarist is Swedish, the
singer's American... but they're based in the UK). They've been around here
for a year or so, as far as I know, and jolly good they are too in my
opinion. They're David Bowie's favourite band of the moment, as well.
Mo
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Date: 29 Jan 1997 11:04:44 -0000
From: "pete park" <ppark@hotmail.com>
Subject: Freinds & support @ Tuben This Sat. 1/2
****************Gig Announcement****************
Hello All,
Stockholm's finest, Freinds (yes that's the way it's spelled, & support is
playing at Tuben (T-Odenplan) this Saturday night (1/2).
Their influences would be 60's music with an edge. Perhaps, imagine hardcore
motown music.
Come out to see the gig.
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Date: 29 Jan 97 13:23:33 +0000
From: "toby" <thobjon@mail.algonet.se>
Subject: non scan indie *pop* tapes
since there seems to be quite an interest in nonscandinavian indie
tapes and the replies have so far been to the moor rockish spectrum of
the indie sphere, i could compile a tape of american indiepop of the
last say four or five years.
bands included might be: my favorite, tullycraft, tiger trap,
rocketship, madison electric, hang-ups, autocollants, push kings,
softies, mary lou lord, elliot smith, small factory... etc.
basicly bands on mikrolabels bearing a strong affiliation with the
brittish C-86 scene - lo key, stummy guitars, melodic, and so on.
let me know if you're interested.
take care / toby
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:36:57 +0100
From: micre215@knuten.liu.se (Michael Rehnstrom)
Subject: Re: Hac ego caccavi
>>>> Alternative means music that is listened by a small minority. how big
>>>> this minority is, is ofcourse another question. but nobody makes
>>>> alternative music that is bought by the big crowd, or whatever it was
>>>> that the soundgarden singer said.... if the band is in the top40, or
>>>> whatever the list you have is called, it's not alternative. it's
>>>> mainstream.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I agree. To me, if something is supposed to be called
>>> alternative it is because of the way it _sounds_ and not because of how
>>> many copies that are sold.
>>
>> I also think that, if you want to categorize music, you must use sound as
>> one variable. There are a lot of german eurotechno-bands that noone listens
>> to, because they are crap, even with eurotechno standards. And i think it
>> feels wrong to call these bands alternative while Stina Nordenstam should
>> be called mainstream. I am sorry but I don't buy it.
>
> This is just the reason why there is no point in discussing these things.
> the conclusions that can be made sound like a nightmare full of pc. i
> therefore decide to never in my life discuss it again.
I guess I agree to that, in the same manner as I agreed to quit a similar
discussion on the same basis a couple of months ago. Sorry, but when these
discussions pop up I cannot withhold myself, I have to throw myself into
them, I should know better :-).
BTW, it was a great scan-night on Alternative Nation last night, wasn't it?
Jimi Tenor, Komeda and 22-Pistepirkko! And half a promise, from Toby, to
make a finnish special sometime in the future!
/Micke
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:15:17 +0200
From: "teir, philip" <Pueblo@multi.fi>
Subject: Re: Hac ego caccavi
>> on an independent label. at the same time Boredoms is on warner!
>> alternative means music that is listened by a small minority. how
>> big this minority is, is ofcourse another question. but nobody
>> makes alternative music that is bought by the big crowd, or
>> whatever it was that the soundgarden singer said.... if the band
>> is in the top40, or whatever the list you have is called, it's not
>> alternative. it's mainstream.
>
> I'm not sure I agree. To me, if something is supposed to be called
> alternative it is because of the way it _sounds_ and not because of how
> many copies that are sold.
Someone once said: "music is music is music". Why not just keep it this
uncomplicated? Just because someone invented the term "alternative", doesn't
mean we have to use it. But i agree with Timo, because whoever came up whith
the word must have meant "alternative", as in an alternative to the regular,
popular music, so that rules out some bands that alot of people would put in
the "alternative" category, like REM for instance.
I mean they sell billions of records, and they're still alternative? So, i
don't think wether a band is alternative or not has so much to do with the
sound. But of course if backstreet boys make a single that doesn't sell or
get played at all that doesn't make them alternative, because bands like
that aren't doing anything special at all, so you just can't call them an
alternative to the mainstream music. And they are just a product.
I just want to say thet i like REM, and I dont mean to say that popular
bands aren't original, because they are alot of the times more unique
than so called alternative bands.
Well, i think i'll stick to just categorizing bands by the type of music
they play, because at least that is easier and it's also more fair to the
bands, cause it seems today everyone wants to be alternative, and
anything is.
philip
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:29:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris Forsberg <forsberg@charm.net>
Subject: Re: non scan indie *pop* tapes
On 29 Jan 1997, toby wrote:
> since there seems to be quite an interest in nonscandinavian indie
> tapes and the replies have so far been to the moor rockish spectrum of
> the indie sphere, i could compile a tape of american indiepop of the
> last say four or five years.
I was thinking it would be cool to break it down by city. It would be fun to
introduce to you all some bands that I *guarantee* none of you have ever heard
of before -- Baltimore doesn't seem to ever get any press, even in the indie
press. Everybody knows about the Dayton, Seattle, Minneapolis, and Portland
scenes, but we have a thriving scene here that goes undetected. I could try
to stick to a particular "sound" or just make it more eclectic and have it run
the gamut of musical styles. One thing I can guarantee is that it will be
without a doubt, incredibly "indie" -- some bands will be on ultra-small
Baltimore labels to some who are just doing home tapes.
Sound good to anybody? If people are interested in this, it would be cool
to get some other city comps in the mix too.
Mull it over,
//Chris
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:32:51 +0200 (EET)
From: Timo Riitamaa <timo.riitamaa@pp.kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: Hac ego caccavi
>BTW, it was a great scan-night on Alternative Nation last night, wasn't it?
>Jimi Tenor, Komeda and 22-Pistepirkko! And half a promise, from Toby, to
>make a finnish special sometime in the future!
AAARGGHH!!!! does this mean that i'll have to start watching that program
again? is there an atleast theoretical chance that they might play some
actually listenable music? it would seem so.... i'm gonna' need my
headphones and Big Black to get over this one....
n.p. Pavement - Brighten The Corners
Timo
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:22:24 +0100
From: akesson@canit.se (Olof Akesson)
Subject: Re: Hac ego caccavi
>> I also think that, if you want to categorize music, you must use sound as
>> one variable. There are a lot of german eurotechno-bands that noone listens
>> to, because they are crap, even with eurotechno standards. And i think it
>> feels wrong to call these bands alternative while Stina Nordenstam should
>> be called mainstream. I am sorry but I don't buy it.
>
> I my opinion eurotechno can never be alternative. Just because a band is
> small it's not alternative. I have never heard a eurotechno gruop been
> called alternative. Eurotechno is just crap music that you just can't listen
> to, but it has one purpose - it's music that works like a bridge between
> people with different music tastes. Alternative is today a wide music genre
> and is other styles' superior but some styles doesn't fit under that
> superior and eurotechno is one of them.
YASSS!! Another pathetic discussion on what is "alternative"! My opinion is
that "alternative" is stupid label to put on music as well as "indie" ,
whatever the hell that is. "Alternative" is an alternative to what?? What do
people mean when they say: "Well, I listen to alternative music."? And why
does "alternative music" suck nine times out of ten?
Mvh/Yours truly,
Olof Akesson
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:01:34 +0200
From: "teir, philip" <Pueblo@multi.fi>
Subject: Re: Non-scan indie tapes
> I can put an american tape together but not so much pop. something like:
> Boss Martians/Hot Damn/Makers/Zoinks/Dog Faced Hermans/Drag/Dancing French
> Liberals of 48/Schwartzneggar/Pizzicato Five/Railroad Jerk/Alice Donut etc
I think it's a good idea. Not too much pop, cause it's completely unnecissary
to put the bigger names like sebadoh, JSBX , SoYouth, pavement etc on the
tape, cause everybody knows how good they are already. I vote for strange
bands, that you might have found in some gutter.
On another note, does anyone know if the 5ive style album is good?
philip
P.S. Did anyone watch alt. nation? After playing jimi tenor, Toby said they
might be coming to Finland in the future to interview some bands. I just
hope they don't concentrate on our pop bands like supperheads etc. I hope
they do something on Bad Vugum.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:29:40 +0200 (EET)
From: Timo Riitamaa <timo.riitamaa@pp.kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: Non-scan indie tapes
> P.S. Did anyone watch alt. nation? After playing jimi tenor, Toby said
> they might be coming to Finland in the future to interview some bands.
> I just hope they don't concentrate on our pop bands like supperheads etc.
> I hope they do something on Bad Vugum.
They can't do anything about Bad Vugum because they are too ugly. Circle
left to Metamorphos, so it would be 120min. of Sweetheart!
Timo
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:24:44 +0100 (MET)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Sin's Fidget Contest Results!
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Scandinavian Indie's Fidget Contest Results
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Scandinavian Indie & Mega Records are happy to present:
The Winners in the Fidget Contest!
The Fidget members have read through the answers, and picked out the
winners! The band greets and thanks everyone who participated, promises to
play at a selected venue near you soon, but also gives the "correct" answer
to the question:
Why are they called "Fidget"?
"The word 'fidget' comes from the movie 'Pretty Woman', where Richard Gere's
most frequent line to Julia Roberts is 'Stop fidgeting!' We didn't follow
his advice. We 'started' fidgeting!"
So, there you have it! But, that didn't stop them from selecting the five
lucky winners, who each can expect a copy of Fidget's promo 7" single
"Semi-Naked" to mysteriously appear in the mail. And here are the winners! :
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1st Prize
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And the winner is.... ___Marten Sahlen___ from Stockholm - Sweden!
The winner explanation to the origins of the band's name was:
"'Fidget' means something like 'to make nervous' in English, and nervous is
exactly what you become when you see them line up on stage: a couple of indie
girls, a couple of snobbish boys in suits and ties, and to top it off a
drummer in an Iron Maiden t-shirt! But then you get so much more happy when
you discover they are the best and most original pop act in Sweden in a long
time. And of course, Fidget rhymes with Midget, and the band members aren't
exactly very tall..."
Fidget's reasons for selecting it: "It's just ingenious! We'll steal this one!"
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2nd - 5th Prize
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And the other four lucky winners are:
__Chris Forsberg__ from Baltimore USA
__Par Haggblad__ from Uppsala Sweden
__Mikael Stanley__ from Vasteras Sweden
__Kimmo Saaskilahti__ from Tampere Finland!
Congratulations!
//Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) & Fidget (of course)
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 02:18:31 +0100 (MET)
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:00:08 +0200 (EET)
From: Kimmo Saaskilahti <solaris@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: non scan indie *pop* tapes
Chris said:
> I was thinking it would be cool to break it down by city.
Sounds good; other possibilities could be tapes presenting a certain record
label (like Quiddity, Slumberland, Grimsey etc etc) or a certain sound,
whatever.
Compiling tapes is a lot of fun, therefore I volunteer to make a tape with
music released on the Spanish labels Siesta and Elefant, my favourite
European labels.
adios
Kimmo
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:00:04 +0200 (EET)
From: Kimmo Saaskilahti <solaris@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Panasonic (SF)
> Do anyone know something about a band called Panasonic supposedly from
> Finland that are supporting Swans on (at least the Swedish part of) their
> current tour trough Europe.
I bought just today the latest Panasonic CD "Kulma", released on Blast
First. I haven't heard anything else by them, so I cannot really compare
this 16-track set to their prior output. Anyway my impression (based on a
couple of listens) is that they sound very much like the way they were
already described on this list. Somehow it reminds me slightly of
Einsturzende Neubauten, but with a lot less Angst.
I would recommend going to see them live, if only to be able to say "I saw
them already in 1997" when they hit the big time in a couple of years'
time... :)
Kimmo
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:53:16 +0100
From: totte.pop@swipnet.se (Totte Pop)
Subject: best single so far 97'
SINGLE OF THE MONTH:
WE Could Be Kings - Gene
it's great and worth every kr/$/whatever.....
Gene have might come up with the bravest and strongest single so far, this
time they look like an undeniably great band, and it has nothing to do with
the smiths.....
Gene, the best brit band so far!
totte.pop@swipnet.se (Totte Pop)
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 06:08:18 -0500
From: Mo Holkar / UKG <100745.3625@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Non-scan indie tapes
If people are interested, I could circulate a tape of bands from my local
scene, here in Oxford - I'm compiling this anyway, for Timo, so it would be
easy to turn it into a chain if there was enough interest. Oxford is the
home of bands like Ride, Radiohead and Supergrass, but the current crop of
indie bands, although there is a lot of noisy guitar-pop around, cover a
pretty wide range of styles: ambient jazz-funk, semi-classical minimalist
electric violin, neo-punk...
Mail me personally if you're interested!
Mo
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:25:52 +0100
From: joso02@shb.se
Subject: Re: This Perfect Day & Superswirls gig
>>>> Johan Soderqvist wrote:
>>>> the new This Perfect Day single (called Fishtank) will be available in
>>>> the stores this week, according to the guy I talked to at Mega store.
>>>
>>> totte pop wrote:
>>> about the new single, i think it stink...another crapy song are the new
>>> single by atimic swing - walking my devil, this one really stinks....
>>
>> It would be nice if you could tell us, mere mortals, why you thing the
>> single sucks. That would make this list a lot more interesting.
>
> in the case of atomic swing, i just think they did choose they wrong way
> after the great song 'stone me into the groove'...the record sales clearly
> shows that when the second album didnt do so well.... and now 1997, they
> dont sound very fresh and somehow they didnt learn their lesson!
TPD was never fresh, simple boring songs from boring people.....
thats my two cents...can someone throw in a dollar?
totte.pop@swipnet.se (Totte Pop)
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