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The Charlatans Digest Volume 01 Issue 01
The Charlatans Digest Wed Nov 22, 1995 Volume 1 : Issue 01
There are 62 messages totalling 1371 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. A NEW CONTEST!
2. BRW Contest (3)
3. what other bands on Beggars Banquet? (7)
4. up to our hips box set? (6)
5. charlatans trades (2)
6. Charlie's Boots (2)
7. Chemical Beats
8. Carpets
9. Last nights gig! (9)
10. Charlatans on TV (4)
11. charlatans contest & 120 minutes
12. Charlatans Bootlegs
13. "The only one I know" cover (4)
14. Oh balls!!! (2)
15. "Between 10th and 11th" - the song (4)
16. FS: Indian Rope (original 12" )
17. Warwick University 10/11/95 (2)
18. (Fwd) Cookies Galore (fwd) No Charlatans
19. Hello all! (3)
20. The BRW contest & 4-track
21. Stir It Up
22. Misinformation... (3)
23. FS: Sproston Green Promo CD
24. video
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 12:48:42 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: A NEW CONTEST!
Hi, there's a new charlatans contest going on now for those of you who are
interrested! There are still some great giveaways for those who win. Just go
to the Charlatans' BackRoomWindow to join!
btw. If some of you are waiting for some lyrics to come up on the BRW page, it
will soon, but I'm a bit busy reading for exams, so everything goes a bit
slowly :)
Chao!
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 13:09:36 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: BRW Contest
Is it me or is this another example of the 'Nets' bias toward the U.S.?
I assume when the contest on Back Room Window says 'Charlatans U.K.'
it means the groups first U.S. single. The first U.K. single didn't chart
(Indian Rope), Actually, not in the top 50 anyway.
I have no idea what the first U.S. single was!
(BTW Nothing against your pages Eirik, it's Atlantic's fault!)
Mark K.
mark@yacc.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 16:30:55 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: BRW Contest
> Is it me or is this another example of the 'Nets' bias toward the
> U.S.?
> I assume when the contest on Back Room Window says 'Charlatans U.K.'
> it means the groups first U.S. single.
> The first U.K. single didn't chart (Indian Rope), Actually, not in the
> top 50 anyway.
>
> I have no idea what the first U.S. single was!
>
> ( BTW Nothing against your pages Eirik, it's Atlantic's fault!)
>
> Mark K.
> mark@yacc.co.uk
>
Hi everyone!
I think Atlantic mean the first The Charlatans UK release in the US. I'm sorry
this isn't clear enough, and that it will be hard for European fans to be part
of the contest (if you know the answer, you're all welcome to answer of
course).
Anyway, I have asked Atlantic to make the question a bit more specific, so if
you want be to sure that you send the right answer to the right question, you
can wait 'till I announce what's the right question here on the list!
Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:08:08 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: what other bands on Beggars Banquet?
Hi everyone!
I'm just curious to know what other bands are (or were ever) signed to
Beggars Banquet...I know very little about this label...
Any info is helpful...Thanks in advance!
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 19:03:55 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: BRW Contest
Now the meaning of the contest is clear. Just look at the contest page, and
you'll see a better explaining!
thaks
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:54:05 -0800
From: n109@ix.netcom.com (Eric Ginter )
Subject: up to our hips box set?
Republic records in Canada has the "up to our hips box set" listed for
release on Nov.13th. They say it includes album+ 4 singles. Does anyone
have more info on this release?
E
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:43:46 +0000
From: "Greg Ipp" <gipp@fun.direct.ca>
Subject: Re: what other bands on Beggars Banquet?
> From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm just curious to know what other bands are (or were ever) signed to
> Beggars Banquet...I know very little about this label...
>
> Any info is helpful...Thanks in advance!
>
Radial Spangle
Buffalo Tom
The Dylans
Rollerskate Skinny
G.W. McLennan
Courage of Lassie
Polyphemus
The Hair & Skin Trading Co.
Sundial
I happen to have a Beggars Banquet compilation. The Dylans ended up
going in the absolutely WRONG direction, but their first album was
really good at the time. Sundial isn't bad, and neither is Radial
Spangle. The Hair & Skin Trading Co. has some great tracks, but some
not-so-great ones as well :)
Don't like any of the others... some are total folk-ish music.
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:47:24 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: Re: charlatans trades
Hi (Chuck?...) !
>I could probably get you the newest singles etc... I think I can still getmy
>hands on Hot Licks... Not the last 2, MP, HL....
Please let me know how much it would cost or if you would be willing to trade...
Thanks in advance!...
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:12:46 -0700 (MST)
From: Mique Reisch <mreisch@swcp.com>
Subject: Re: what other bands on Beggars Banquet?
On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Lyakov wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm just curious to know what other bands are (or were ever) signed to
> Beggars Banquet...I know very little about this label...
>
I'm pretty sure the Dylans and Inspiral Carpets are on them.
Though Inspiral has its own lower level label called moo
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:54:20 -0500
From: Munj@aol.com
Subject: Charlie's Boots
Are there any studio tracks or live tracks that have not appeared anywhere
else on the the various Charlatans bootlegs?
That was THEN right, this is now...
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:35:39 -0500
From: jrobin@tiac.net (Sproston Green)
Subject: Chemical Beats
Evening,
Has anyone seen the new commercial for the NFL
Quarterback '96 video game? The background music
is 'Chemical Beats' from Exit Planet Dust. Just a note
of interest from the States.
ps - sorry for the repeat, forgot to change the sub.
Sproston Green
jrobin@tiac.net
http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/index.html
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:17:30 +0000
From: Tats <GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: what other bands on Beggars Banquet?
> > I'm just curious to know what other bands are (or were ever) signed to
> > Beggars Banquet...I know very little about this label...
The Cult!
Tats
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 09:16:27 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Re[2]: what other bands on Beggars Banquet?
>I'm pretty sure the Dylans and Inspiral Carpets are on them.
>Though Inspiral has its own lower level label called moo
Whoa, the Inspirals were on thier own label in conjuction with some
Manchester recording studio, a truly Independant affair when Indie
_meant_ indie! Yes, this was Moo (or Cow or something), but had
nothing to do with Beggars Banquet. They then signed for Mute Records
and have in the recent past, left them.
I know this is the Charlies list but does anyone know why the
Inspirals left Mute and what they are now doing.
(They are my _Joint_ favorite band!)
Mark K.
mark@yacc.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 11:36:58 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: up to our hips box set?
> Republic records in Canada has the "up to our hips box set" listed for
> release on Nov.13th. They say it includes album+ 4 singles. Does anyone
> have more info on this release?
Well, that's only a collection of all their releases connected to the Up To
Our Hips album. The CD2 of the Jesus Hairdo single came with a Up To Our Hips
Box Set in the UK. It's a green CD box with a silver The Charlatans logo, you
can put cd1 adn CD1 of jesus Hairdo, Can't Get Out Of Bed, ..Easy Life.., and
Up To Our Hips in it. I guess Republic records in Canada thought it was a good
idea to put everything in that box, and then sell it, instead of how it worked
in UK.
It's rather nice :)
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:16:37 +0000
From: Tats <GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Carpets
> I know this is the Charlies list but does anyone know why the
> Inspirals left Mute and what they are now doing.
> (They are my _Joint_ favorite band!)
The Carpets were not given a new recording deal as their new material
was "too dark".
Tats
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:03:19 +0000
From: Tats <GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Last nights gig!
Hiya folks
I was at the Glasgow Barrowlands gig last night!
Verdict : Superb
It was so good that I'm going back to see them tonight at Livingston
Forum.
Hope your jealous!
I'll give a full report on both gigs later
Tats
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 03:57:39 -0500
From: "James D. Lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: what other bands on Beggars Banquet?
I may be way off base, but weren't the Rolling Stones once on the
label?
I know that the Dylans were/are.
jim
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 04:02:09 -0500
From: "James D. Lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: up to our hips box set?
> Republic records in Canada has the "up to our hips box set" listed for
> release on Nov.13th. They say it includes album+ 4 singles. Does anyone
> have more info on this release?
Please keep us informed, but I smell a rat.
Republic was apparently the CD Bar. I made the mistake of buying my
Jesus Hairdo single there, and didn't get the green "Up To Our Hips"
collection box...I had no idea that I was supposed to. Somehow, I think
that I'm not the only one they tried to screw and, now, they're putting
together their own box sets.
jim
PS - I got my green box in the end. Now I have two! :-)
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 04:06:00 -0500
From: "James D. Lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Charlatans on TV
> Has anyone seen the new commercial for the NFL
> Quarterback '96 video game? The background music
> is 'Chemical Beats' from Exit Planet Dust. Just a note
> of interest from the States.
Hey...you'd be surprised where Britpop shows up. A month or so ago, I
was watching one of those cheezy tabloid shows and they were doing
a story on John Bobbit (the guy who had his penis cut off). The music
that they used was "Opportunity" or "109.2" (I can't remember at the
moment). I had to pick my jaw up off of the floor!
I've also heard "Weirdo" used on such shows.
jim
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 04:07:05 -0500
From: "James D. Lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Charlie's Boots
> Are there any studio tracks or live tracks that have not appeared anywhere
> else on the the various Charlatans bootlegs?
>
> That was THEN right, this is now...
I have some concert tapes from 1991 that have a song called "Always
in Mind". I have never seen it on a CD.
jim
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:02:25 -0500
From: Wally Dodson <wally@credrouter.limited.net>
Subject: Re: what other bands on Beggars Banquet?
love and rockets, bauhaus, tones on tail
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:37:09 +0100
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re: Up To Our Hips Box Set
On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, n109@ix.netcom.com (Eric Ginter) wrote:
> Republic records in Canada has the "up to our hips box set" listed for
> release on Nov.13th. They say it includes album+ 4 singles. Does anyone
> have more info on this release?
I have this set. It's basically a green cardboard box that contains
the following:
Can't Get Out Of Bed CD5
I Never Want An Easy Life If Me And He Were Ever To Get There CD5
Jesus Hairdo (CD1) CD5
Jesus Hairdo (CD2) CD5
Up To Our Hips CD
It says "Up To Our Hips Collection" on the side of the box and
"The Charlatans" in a cute logo on the front. It also comes with
a small note saying "with free Up To Our Hips Catalogue Library Case".
The way it was originally released, it was sold with only the Jesus
Hairdo (CD2) CD5 (the way I bought it) sealed in plastic. My guess
is that Republic records have removed the plastic and included the
four other CDs that the box is intended for in their sales promotion.
I can't imagine why they're doing this though.
Complete info about the release can be found in my Charlatans discography
(email me for a copy or check http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/othdisc.html
for the latest version).
//Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:51:55 GMT
From: campbell colin <ccampbel@geology.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: charlatans contest & 120 minutes
krassi i wouldnt mind a copy of your tape if its on offer
could you e-mail me on ccampbel@geology.gla.ac.uk
ta
ps i saw them at the barrowlands last night and they were dead dead good
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:01:34 GMT
From: campbell colin <ccampbel@geology.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
i was there too but did you not think crashin in was a bit iffy?
sproston green was the usual brilliant finisher
are you at glasgow uni
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:55:29 GMT
From: campbell colin <ccampbel@geology.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: charlatans trades
exactly what type of trouble are you having w
where do you live that its so difficult to lay hands on recent records like
these come to glasgow for your records esp fopp
or why dont you try record fairs?
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:57:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
I don't really care cos they are coming to my university on Friday, and it
will be blinding
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 20:29:55 MST
From: who wants to know? <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: RE: Charlatans on TV
speaking of britpop on american tv commericials what about that labatt ice
commercial that plays that smiths song!
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:26:17 +0000
From: Tats <GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Charlatans on TV
Have you seen the Sony advert that uses the Inspiral Carpets
"I want you" ??
Seen the Charlatans again last night! Feeling the pace today though.
Report on both gigs this week..... coming soon!
Tats
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:28:19 +0000
From: "Greg Ipp" <gipp@fun.direct.ca>
Subject: RE: Charlatans on TV
> From: who wants to know? <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
>
> speaking of britpop on american tv commericials what about that labatt ice
> commercial that plays that smiths song!
>
sigh... THAT song was How Soon is Now. THAT is the song i was
talking about :)
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:38:55 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: Re: Charlatans Bootlegs
>>4) Does anyone have any interesting charlatans rarities that they want
>>to tell us about?
>
>Here's some bootlegs I've got.
>
>CD "They don't want to see the sights" - Europe 1993 according to the packaging
>but it's actually from the Reading Festival 1992.
>
>LP "Diversion" - Manchester International 26.4.90 - I've heard that this is an
>"official" fanclub only release. It has the Dead Dead Good logo on it and is
>numbered CB1, anyone know?
>
>LP "Isolation" - Chicago Metro 21.2.91 - Similar to above, numbered CB2,
>official?
>
>LP "Guardian Angels" - BBC In Concert 1.12.90, Peel Session June '90 and London
>Kilburn National 8.11.90 - The peel session pretty good, features an unreleased
>(I think) song called "Always" (I think). The lyrics go, "...the sun is always
>on my mind...".
>
>If anyone wants a copy of any of these let me know.
I'd love to have copies of all of them!!!!!! Please let me know what you
need in return... Do you have Europe 1991? I f not I could tape that for you
and something else....
Thanks in advance!
"I can't even be bothered, energy breaks me down..."
Krassi
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:11:55 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: "The only one I know" cover
Hello Eirik (and other musicians...)
>About 4-Tracks!
>
>> This is a brilliant idea! I'm up for it! (I've got a 4-track). Do you want
>> me to lay out a bass line track (with some rhythm to go with it)? Then you
>> can do your little keyboard/hammond/piano on top of it and if someone else
>> on the list is interested we could get a rhythm guitar and some solo riffs
>> on it as well...
>
>Yes, Krassi, couldn't you start with that, and then send it to me, and then
>I'll send it to some others. It will obviously take some time, but it will be
>alot of fun:) We could start on a cover of The Charlatans, and maybe some
>more. We must write down the chords to whatever song we play, and then it
>won't be a problem:)
>We could start with The Only One I Know. The chords to that one is on the BRW
>Charlatans homepage! This is just a suggestion :)
This idea got kind of put aside for a while... I'm recording the rhythm and
the bass line today, so if you are still interested, please e-mail me with
your address, so that I can send the tape to you...I think I'll be sending
it to Justin first (he said he can do the guitar...) since he lives in
California.
Also, I think that it would be nice to get a vocal track as well, so if
anyone on the list is interested in trying, please e-mail me and let me know!
What name are we going to give to the band? :)
I'm very excited, and can't wait till we have the final recording!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:13:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: "The only one I know" cover
On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Lyakov wrote:
> This idea got kind of put aside for a while... I'm recording the rhythm and
> the bass line today, so if you are still interested, please e-mail me with
> your address, so that I can send the tape to you...I think I'll be sending
> it to Justin first (he said he can do the guitar...) since he lives in
> California.
>
> Also, I think that it would be nice to get a vocal track as well, so if
> anyone on the list is interested in trying, please e-mail me and let me know!
> What name are we going to give to the band? :)
> I'm very excited, and can't wait till we have the final recording!!!!!
Heh, I ought to get to practicing that song!
I might be interested in doing a vocal track as well, unless you don't
want me hogging all the tracks. :) I doubt my voice will approximate
Tim's, but who knows. I'll give it a whirl, and if it's great, I'll
record it.
Justin
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 09:17:29 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Re: "The only one I know" cover
>Also, I think that it would be nice to get a vocal track as well, so if
>anyone on the list is interested in trying, please e-mail me and let me
>know!
I used to be known for doing a decent Tim impression when that record
came out, hairdo and all!!! I can do a pretty good rendition but I
haven't got any fancy recording equipment, I used to hang around a
recording studio but it's shut now :-( . I can record 'rubbish' style
with using a tape recorder, anyone any ideas?
Mark K.
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 10:03:13 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Oh balls!!!
Did anyone go to the fated Hull(?) Charlatans gig last night? Tim lost
his voice halfway through the set and they cancelled it!! This just a
week before I go and see them at the T&C in Leeds. Hope they cancel
all gigs until then to give his throught a rest.
It'd be just my luck! Stone Roses sold out a few hours before I got
there, Catherine Wheel pulled out 4 hours before the gig started
(Bastards, never forgive them for that, they pulled out to do a
satalite link to the U.S. for one lousey track.) and the Oasis
Sheffield gig was on my friends wedding.
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:59:34 +0000
From: Tats <GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Oh balls!!!
I meant to say that at the Barrowlands gig on Tuesday Tim's voice was
fine, but at the Livingston Forum on Wednesday he was a bit croaky
and kept rubbing this throat and drinking loads o' Red Stripe in
between songs.
Tats
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:36:14 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: Re: "The only one I know" cover
Hello Mark!
>>Also, I think that it would be nice to get a vocal track as well, so if
>>anyone on the list is interested in trying, please e-mail me and let me
>>know!
>
> I used to be known for doing a decent Tim impression when that record
> came out, hairdo and all!!! I can do a pretty good rendition but I
> haven't got any fancy recording equipment, I used to hang around a
> recording studio but it's shut now :-( . I can record 'rubbish' style
> with using a tape recorder, anyone any ideas?
It would be great if you could find a 4-track that you could use. The idea
was that each of us will use one of the four tracks to record their part. So
I'm gonna use one for the bass and the drum machine, Eirik will use one for
the hammond organ, Justin (probably) could do the guitar on a third, and
there's one open for the vocals. We agreed that it would be great fun!
Unfortunately, I don't think that recording your voice on a (regular) tape
recorder could work - it has to be a 4-track... So, see if you could get
your hands on one for an hour or so... Let us know, even if you don't manage
to find one!...
Thanks for your reply! :)
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:20:09 -0800
From: n109@ix.netcom.com (Eric Ginter )
Subject: Fwd: Re: up to our hips box set
---- Begin Forwarded Message
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:29:51 -0500
To: n109@ix.netcom.com (Eric Ginter )
From: Tim Fuller <republic@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: Question for ya
At 07:44 PM 09/11/95 -0800, you wrote:
>Hey Tim,
>
>I saw on your last release list "up to our hips collector's box set
>including 4 singles and album". Could you please give me some more
>info?
>
>What singles are included?
all ths singles from Up to Our Hips...
>Is this an offical release on the 13th or did you just have a creative
>idea to put 3 other singles and the album in with jesus hairdo?
no. this is an official Beggars Banquet release. we're not that
creative.
>Thanks,
>E
REPUBLIC RECORDS
162 Spadina Ave.
Toronto, ON M5T-2C2
ph: (416) 703-4080
fx: (416) 703-4078
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 20:46:50 -0500
From: Munj@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Between 10th and 11th" - the song
Is there any way that I could get a dub of this Japan boot? It sounds
phenomenal! I'd pay all the postage of course. I have no Charlatans live
material and it would be a great start! Thanx!
Munj
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 21:07:35 +0000
From: "Greg Ipp" <gipp@fun.direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: up to our hips box set
> REPUBLIC RECORDS
> 162 Spadina Ave.
> Toronto, ON M5T-2C2
> ph: (416) 703-4080
> fx: (416) 703-4078
>
hey, i stopped by there once and picked up a copy of bark psychosis's
independancy before i came back to vancouver. chatted for a bit too... cool
shop :)
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 08:26:21 -0800
From: n109@ix.netcom.com (Eric Ginter )
Subject: FS: Indian Rope (original 12" )
I have one copy of Indian Rope 12" for auction. The auction will go
through Thurs.Nov.16th. All bids should be in US dollars. Shipping is
not included in bid and will be dertermined upon purchase. I will ship
anywhere. Starting bid is set at $18. When responding please use Indian
Rope in subject.
Mint condition, never played
Side one: Indian Rope. Side two: You can talk to me, Who wants to know.
Good One 12
1990 copyright control
Made in England
Thanks for your time,
Eric Ginter
n109@ix.netcom.com
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Date: 12 Nov 95 17:58
From: M.J.Wilson@physics.salford.ac.uk
Subject: Warwick University 10/11/95
Well they played and although I'm not the best judge the general
consensus was that Tim's voice was O.K. - certainly better than at the
Manchester Boardwalk gig when it was really bad. I just hope that he
can take this as a warning that he's got to look after himself but
that must be scant consolation to anybody who was messed about with
the cancelation. Anyway things can never run smoothly for the
Charlatans and this time they had to contend with the fire alarm going
off during Sproston Green and the inevitable evacuation leading to a
slightly curtailed performance. It was a great gig in a very strange
venue and if there are any trainspotters out there who were at Warwick
it'd be nice to know in more detail what the set was. I suppose I
might get a better idea at Lancaster on Monday or Leeds on Thursday
but I'm usually too busy dancing to concentrate on what they've
played.
Stay tuned for further tour snippets
Martin
P.S. I know that the Peel session version of `Between 10th and 11th'
was put out on a free cassette from Lime Lizard magazine if anyone is
interested. Talking of unreleased stuff I think that there are some
tracks from the pre-Up To Our Hips demos that haven't yet seen the
light but then I haven't heard the tape for a while.
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:16:44 -0600 (CST)
From: John H Bergstrom <mode1@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: (Fwd) Cookies Galore (fwd) No Charlatans
Hey all-
i realize this is probably against mailing list etiquitte, etc, But it's
really funny and it's something I'd venture to say is in the true spirit
of the band...fun! (amongst other things). So...enjoy and pass it on!
John
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:34:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Jessica Woods <woods@netlab.texsci.edu>
Subject: (Fwd) Cookies Galore (fwd)
I hope no one's gotten this already . . I wonder how they taste?
Slik
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:01:12 -0500
From: gpmitche@students.wisc.edu
To: irc-chn-question@netcom.com
Subject: (Fwd) Cookies Galore
Hey guys, here is something I thought I'd Pass along. Pass it along, it's
for a good cause *chuckle* =-]
Gary (Tornado)
>The ONLY Chain-Letter worth Sending...
>
>---------- Forwarded message -
>
>Originally written and sent by Alan Fox, Dept of Economics, Univ. of Michigan
>internet: alanfox@umich.edu phone:313-764-0454 fax:313-763-9181
>
>This message is sent to you with the hope you will forward it to EVERYONE you
>have ever even seen the e-mail address of. In the spirit of the originator,
>please feel free to post it anywhere and everywhere.
>
>Okay, everyone. . . . a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A.
>Thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet justice, if
>it can be called that.
>
>My daughter and I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas &
>decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are such cookie lovers, we
>decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if
>they would give me the recipe and they said with a small frown, "I'm afraid
>not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she
>said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two-fifty." I said with
>approval, just add it to my tab.
>
>Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was
>$285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two
>salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the state-
>ment, it said, "Cookie Recipe - $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called
>Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty,"
>and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to
>take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but be-
>cause all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could duplicate
>any of our bakery recipes . . . the bill would stand.
>
>I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money
>back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I'm going to have
>$250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every coo
>cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing.
>She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do this." I said, "I'm sorry but this is the
>only way I feel I could get even," and I will.
>
>So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies . . . I
>paid for it; now you can have it for free.
>
>(Recipe may be halved.):
>2 cups butter
>4 cups flour
>2 tsp. soda
>2 cups sugar
>5 cups oatmeal (blended)
>24 oz. chocolate chips
>2 cups brown sugar
>1 tsp. salt
>1 8 oz. Hershey bar (grated)
>4 eggs
>2 tsp baking powder
>3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)
>2 tsp. vanilla
>
>Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and
>both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt,
>baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey bar and nuts. Roll into
>balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at
>375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies.
>
>Have fun!! This is not a joke --- this is a true story.
>That's it. Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single people, mailing
>lists, etc . . .
>Ryan
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>And now a moment of Silence for:
>
>The Chicago Bears....
>
>Currently #1 in the NFC Central and soon to be
>
>1996 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:34:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Warwick University 10/11/95
Warwick was an excellent gig, and I even got to shake Tim's hand as I crowd
surfed out of the pit. The only downers at the gig was the very bad security,
ie they wait until evryone is dying before passing out the water, and the fire
alarm, although you can get a four pound rebate because of it. Not bad to
see the Charlatans for a fiver!!
P.S. My mate picked up a copy of Indian rope on 12 inch and paid a tenner for
it, is this a fair price, if not I think he deserves to have the piss taken
out of him!!
-----------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:50:53 -0500
From: "Twistin' My Melon Man" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: "Between 10th and 11th" - the song
> she made my day!!!) "Between 10th and 11th" is one of the best live
> songs...They also did several other non-album brilliant songs - "Indian
> Rope", "Always on my mind", "Over Rising", and "You can talk to me"...
I was thinking about Krassi's question...the discography covers all of
the b-sides, so I won't go into detail, but here are some of the best
non-album charlies tunes.
"Indian Rope" - the first single
"Always In Mind" - I have this on a few boots, but I don't think that it
was ever officially released
"Over Rising" - the first post-Friendly single, one of my favourites,
there is also a cool instrumental version
"Happen To Die" - this b-side has appeared twice, an incredible song!
"Me In Time" - Tim called it the worst record they've ever done, but I
still like it
"Weirdo" - Alternate Version - b-side from the "Weirdo" single, very
cool & James Bond like
"Tremelo Song" - Alternate take - this was the single release, better
than the album version
"Stir It Up" - this b-side was better than most of the "Up To Our Hips"
album material
jim
-------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:43:15 MST
From: TORGO <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: RE: "Between 10th and 11th" - the song
yes...
the song called 10th and 11th is on isolation.
---------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:53:22 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: RE: "Between 10th and 11th" - the song
>yes...
>the song called 10th and 11th is on isolation.
I'm sorry, I might be behind, but I've never heard of isolation either...
Could you please tell us what it is?
Thanks!
"I can't even be bothered, energy breaks me down..."
Krassi
------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:13:13 -0500
From: Balluff@aol.com
Subject: Hello all!
Since this is my first post to the Charlatans mail list, I'll say thanks to
the people that made all this possible. Hooray.
I've been listening to the Charlatans since the early days of fall 1990, and
have seen them twice here in Los Angeles, first at the UCLA Grand ballroom
(where I went to school) in Feb of 1991 and just last month at the American
Legion Hall in Hollywood.
The show last month was very good, and the band sounded very tight. They
played a good retrospective of songs, mostly from Some Friendly and Between
10th & 11th, with a few of the new ones sprinkled in. I would have liked to
hear more of the songs off the new album, as it is very good.
I've been lucky enough to aqcuire most of the standard releases, my favorites
being the Isolation live promo CD and the 2cd Tremolo Song single set.
Alas, seeing as how the Charlatans have a rather small following here in Los
Angeles, I have not come across many live tapes, etc. I would be most
interested in trading live tapes with anyone. Unfortunately, all I have to
offer in trade at the moment are tapes of the Isolation live CD, the Hot
Licks live CD and a radio recording of the 1992 show at the Palace in
Hollywood. I also have MANY Paul Weller live tapes to trade as well.
In addition, I also have one extra copy of the US promo-only Sproston Green
CD available for sale.
Kevin
-------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:46:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: Hello all!
On Mon, 13 Nov 1995 Balluff@aol.com wrote:
> The show last month was very good, and the band sounded very tight. They
> played a good retrospective of songs, mostly from Some Friendly and Between
> 10th & 11th, with a few of the new ones sprinkled in. I would have liked to
> hear more of the songs off the new album, as it is very good.
Hmmm...were we at the same concert?? The ONLY song from Between 10th &
11th was "Weirdo", while they played "Feelin' Holy", "Just Lookin'",
"Here Comes a Soul Saver", "Crashin' In", "Just When You're Thinkin' Things
Over", and "Toothache", which are all from the new album.
It was a great show!
Justin
-------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:56:41 -0500
From: Balluff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello all!
Justin,
Okay, okay, you're right. My memory failed me there for a moment - they did
play a bunch of the new songs at the American Legion Hall show in Hollywood.
I guess I had a few cocktails during Menswear's opening act. Okay, maybe I
had more than a few. Regardless, it really was a good show.
Kevin
--------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:16:38 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: The BRW contest & 4-track
Hi everyone!
The contest on the BackRoomWindow seem to be a bit difficult, so those at
Atlantic have told me to put the question down to only what the first US
release by The Charlatans were. So you can now forget about the charts!
Anyway, Krassi, here's my adress
Eirik Gudmundsen
Hasselhaugveien 35
0851 OSLO
Norway
See you all :)
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:04:01 EST
From: "Catherine in" <RHOBCROFT@bss.inforamp.net>
Subject: Re: Stir It Up
If you *can* get your hands on this it'll be well worth it 'cos it's
amazing! There were some Chemical Brothers and other remixes on some
of the cd singles which are good too.
Robyn :)
-> "Stir It Up" - this b-side was better than most of the "Up To Our
-> Hips" album material
-------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:39:28 -0500
From: Tim Fuller <republic@interlog.com>
Subject: Misinformation...
>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:35:47 -0500
>To: JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca
>From: Tim Fuller <republic@interlog.com>
>Subject: Misinformation...
Upon receipt of a letter you wrote to Eric Ginter (who had the foresight to
ASK us first...) I wish to ask you about your dislocated opinion of Republic
Records.
Questions for you:
1) have you been here?
2) do you know who runs Republic Records?
3) have you ever talked to us?
Here's some fascinating info for you:
The JESUS HAIRDO cd single was, in fact a TWO part single, as most singles
are these days. The CD BAR (which is the former work place of those who run
Republic) got in one part...The other part had - in limited quantities - the
now infamous green box which had room for the other singles and the album.
Please take note of this - only ONE part of JESUS HAIRDO had the box with
it and, from what i'm told, even this was limited.(Ian - another former CDB
employee, was in England 2 months ago, purchased the Jesus Hairdo singles,
and neither of them came with the 'box'. Perhaps HMV in London were in
cahoots with the CD Bar? It's that global Charlatan's conspiracy...)
The UP TO OUR HIPS BOX SET listed is an official Beggars Banquet release.
The catalogue number is BBL147CDB. Is this a reissue of the Jesus Hairdo
box format with discs included? Could be.
Does Republic wish to bother "putting together their own box sets"? No.
We've got better things to do.
Why do you "smell a rat"? We do have a mouse in our store and the
occasional cockroach but we don't let them repackage discs for us...
As former employees (but NOT management or owners) of the CD BAR, I suppose
we're sorry you think you got "screwed" when you didn't get your green box.
Assuming you come into Toronto now and then, do us a favour and VISIT our
store. We try to be very honest and informed about the stuff we sell and
though it would be easy to dismiss this as idle netgossip I suppose we're a
little too sensitive...
Beyond that, I hope you continue to enjoy slagging stores and people from
the safety of your computer.
Ciao,
Tim Fuller
David Semple
Greg Clow
Ian Woodhouse
REPUBLIC RECORDS
162 Spadina Ave.
Toronto, ON M5T-2C2
ph: (416) 703-4080
fx: (416) 703-4078
---------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:37:07 +0100
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Misinformation...
First of all, I don't think Jim wanted to miscredit Republic Records
in any way, at least that's nothing that the Jim I "know" would do
from what I know.
Second, I did post a message to this list saying exactly that the
green collectors box came with the second part of JESUS HAIRDO (BBQ 32 CD2)
which was a limited edition release of this cd single. It was released
without the green collectors box as well, as a normal release, so I don't
see where the problem about that lies.
The "new" release from Beggars Banquet (ie. the UP TO OUR HIPS BOX SET)
is a surprise for me though, and I think for all on the list as well.
I wonder if it's going to be released worldwide or only in Canada?
Does anyone know?
I would also be interested to know if it really is the same box as
before only filled with the four singles and the full-length and
released as a new release.
Isn't Beggars Banquet on the net?
//Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)
-----------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 03:00:33 -0500
From: Balluff@aol.com
Subject: FS: Sproston Green Promo CD
Hello all,
I have received quite a bit of response for the Sproston Green promo CD I
have for sale. To be fair to those who emailed me about it, I've decided to
auction it off. One note about the disc - it is the disc only, no cover art!
The CD details:
The Charlatans UK - Sproston Green
1. Sproston Green (remix edit) 3.50
2. Sproston Green (lp version) 5.10
3. Opportunity (extended remix) 7.26
Beggars Banquet/RCA 277-2-HDJ
Promo Only - USA
The auction will run through Saturday 11/18. Please send all bids to my email
address, not the Charlatans mail list. I'll take bids starting at $10, not
including shipping.
Kevin
---------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 04:25:23 -0500
From: "James D. Lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Misinformation...
> First of all, I don't think Jim wanted to miscredit Republic Records
> in any way, at least that's nothing that the Jim I "know" would do
> from what I know.
Thanks, Erik...I certainly wasn't on a mission to "slag" anyone.
Just so everyone knows, the owners of Republic Records are former
EMPLOYEES, not owners, of the CD Bar, as I was mistakenly informed.
I sent them a private response before I realized that they had
forwarded their message to the entire list. I do apologize for my
mistake, but can't agree with everything they said;
The CD Bar did screw me out of my "Up To Our Hips" box. They are
claiming that they only received the first CD (which didn't come with
anything) but I ordered, and received, both parts from the CD Bar. I
am not repeating this to discredit anyone, but simply as a warning for
those who order stuff via the telephone & internet.
Anyway, that was the CD Bar and, as I mentioned, I had no problem
tracking down the green boxes (I have two) at a later date. I'm glad
that Republic is on the 'Net and, while their message could have been
more proffessional, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
jim
---------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:42:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: video
A friend mentioned to me he thought the Charlies had another new 1/2 hour
video out...can anyone shed some light for me?
Cheers!
Nicole
----------------------
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:06:56 +0100
From: Rod Begbie <ceerab@pp.hw.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:03:19 +0000 Tats
<GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.edinburgh.ac.uk> wrote:
>Hiya folks
>
>I was at the Glasgow Barrowlands gig last night!
>Verdict : Superb
>It was so good that I'm going back to see them tonight at Livingston
>Forum.
>
>Hope your jealous!
>I'll give a full report on both gigs later
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who trekked around Scotland to see the
Charlatans twice!! Which gig did you prefer? I think the Barrowlands one was
much better. More of an atmosphere.
Rod.
-----------------------
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:42:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: PENFOLD <dlondon@coventry.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
But are the Scotish gigs as good as the Warwick Uni gig... There was a
fire while they where playing the last track.... (or what was to be the
last track...), but while the roadies where on stage screaming for
everyone to get out the band played on...
---------------------
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:25:23 +0000
From: Tats <GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
> I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who trekked around Scotland to see the
> Charlatans twice!! Which gig did you prefer? I think the Barrowlands one was much
> better. More of an atmosphere.
Have to agree with you there mate! Better venue, better people,
better night! Did you hang aroung after any of the gigs to meet the band?
Tats
-------------------
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:43:42 +0000 (GMT)
From: "R.J. Willacy" <u5rjw@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
I went to the barrowlands gig, but it wasn`t a patch on the performance in
stockholm this summer!!!
Scouse
---------------------
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:02:34 +0000
From: Tats <GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
> >I went to the barrowlands gig, but it wasn`t a patch on the performance in
> stockholm this summer!!!
Were you at the first Barrowlands gig early this year?
This was one of their greatest performances(according to Rob Collins)
Tats
---------------------
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:10:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
I saw the Charlies here in New York about a month and a half ago...amazing!
the last tour i saw was Between 10th and 11th...Tim was so drugged up he
could barely
complete a ten song set....He is vastly different now(obviously) and in my
opinion improved(though I'd never say he was poor to begin with)
To anyone who has said to be that the Charlies are getting worse...slag off!
Cheers to more great shows!
Nicole
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