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The Charlatans Digest Volume 01 Issue 04
The Charlatans Digest Thu Dec 07, 1995 Volume 1 : Issue 04
There are 43 messages totalling 1150 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. japan tour (2)
2. 10 more bands?
3. EARTHLING (3)
4. why top 10s...
5. Earthling is ................(not dutch) (2)
6. Part 2 of RAW(Dec5) list (2)
7. final top 10 list (3)
8. charlies vs pearl jam
9. The Captain
10. Band of Susans (3)
11. Verve (4)
12. Archive (5)
13. Northern Uproar (4)
14. c/usr/tmp/MScQCAa25298
15. Live '91
16. Clean up this mailing list!! (2)
17. Diversity... (3)
18. outside of "britpop" (no charlatans)
19. R Other music...... (2)
20. Changing list
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:32:18 JST
From: r_smith@Koyosha.CO.JP (HirokoTakeda)
Subject: japan tour
Hello all.
I saw the charlatans 5 times last week.
in 1992, their gigs in Japan were sometime neatly empty. but this time
almost sold-out tour and every venue were full of people.
1) 28th of Nov. Tokyo
the concert was great as always.
I could go to thier backstage after the show.
as soon as Tim saw me, he said "I'm tired." to me.
I asked him about his green tongue (NME reported) and he said
"it's still green" and showed me his tongue, but it seemed normal
to me. then he lay down on a sofa. all of the members seemed to
tired. very quiet.
2)29th of Nov. Tokyo
the concert was so exellent. far better than yesterday. the
members looked very well.
when I went to the backstage, Tim said " tell me tell me which
concert better, yesterday? or today?? " and I said of course "today"
I added " happy to hear Happen to..." instead of me he added " Happen
to die". they didn't play Happen to die yesterday.
I talk with Tim for a while luckily.
3)30th of Nov. Osaka
the concert was the worst concert of all the charlies gigs I've ever
seen. they had no attention to play here.
the opening act was the blutones. when I saw them before, they
played about 30 min. and it was a nice show. but this time they
played full 60 min. and I was satiated by their play though the first
20min. were nice.
4)1st of Dec. Nagoya
better than yesterday but not so exellent.
5)2nd of Dec. Tokyo the allnighter
djs and the bluetones and the charlatans.
I was very tired while djs playing kind of house music. and the
blutones, better than Osaka. and finally, the charlatans.
it was the best gig. great songs and energetic play. I was so happy
to stay there.
in daytime, they held an instore event at HMV(sinjyuku). too many
people came to see them, so it went very confusing party. anyway,
thier tour was very hard. they leaved japan at noon 3rd of Dec.
hope they come back to japan with more time.
********: hiro :*********
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 16:24:01 JST
From: r_smith@Koyosha.CO.JP (HirokoTakeda)
Subject: 10 more bands?
can I add more 10 bands?
top 10 bands
.the stone roses
.puressense
.radiohead
.the cure
.oasis
and I miss .Jellyfish <very happy to know Eirik like
Jellyfish. thier gigs in japan was
the best gigs of all I've seen!!!!!!>
.senseless things
.ned's atomic dustbin <I miss Rat very much!!>
.the verve
why so many bands that I liked breakup??????
top 10 albums
.the stone roses - 1st
.Jellyfish - Bellybuttom
.The Cure - Disintegration
That's not enough. there's too many bands and albums.
could you tell me about 311, Lee W. Minton ?? I don't know them.
********: hiro :*********
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:14:49 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: EARTHLING
Who are EARTHLING? Are they Dutch or something?
Dave
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:29:02 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: why top 10s...
this is a list of bands that I think a lot of charlatans fans might like
stone roses
happy mondays
inspiral carpets
northside
all of the madchester type stuff
new bands like
northern uproar are excellent( i only have their debut single and its great)
the bluetones are definitely a band everyone should give a shot in my opinion
slight return is definitely the best single of 1995 in my opinion and are
you blue and bluetonic are great also
laterz
northern uproar were unfortunately a bit naff when they supported
the Charlies in Leeds. I had high hopes after the hearing
Rollercaster as well but they sound like a band who've got the tunes
bot not the musicians. On a completely different point has anyone
seen the Charlies do Bullet Comes live as its a personal favourite
but Ive never seen them sing it and secondly, does anyone have any
guitar chords or tablature for Charlatans songs? If so it would be
more than just gratefully received. Cheers.
Dave.
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:00:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris <ssu95cig@reading.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: EARTHLING
Don't know where they come from. I think they're sort of ambient or
something. Whatever, I can remember that they are crap.
Chris.
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:00:44 +0000
From: 9416641@edufee.fee.uva.nl
Subject: Earthling is ................(not dutch)
Hi Dave and everybody else,
I feel, now that I've mentioned Earthling, I should tell a bit more
about them.
they are from england, and one of the members is from bristol.
They didn't get much attention from the media cause they released
their album after Portishead and Tricky.
They are not the same at all but it is a bit similar...
It's a bit of triphop.
I really really like them so I advice you all to go and check it out.
anymore nice bands I should listen to??????
lisa
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:11:59 PST
From: Ellen Kim <E4KIM@ARTSU1.watstar.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Part 2 of RAW(Dec5) list
Here's the last half of the "So You Wanna Be A Star?" list c/o Tim&co.
6. A good one, this. Ensure keyboardist drives getaway car in an
armed robbery and ends up doing eight months in `chockey'. (Rob,
Northwich, Dec93)
7. After performing slow on TV show Pennis Pops Out, unsure you
trash Granada's News Desk with Wags from Black Grape. Then go on to
run riot in Coronation Street wardrobe department and nick Mavis
Riley's hats. (Tim, Manchester, July95)
8. On your way to Heathrow to head out on a US tour, rip up all tour
iteneries. Why? Because no fucker's going to tell you what to do
when you're on the road, right!? (Rob, the M4, Sept95)
9. Get bladdered on a transatlantic flight, behave badly, ensure
that New York's finest are waiting at Newark airport to arrest
you and spend night in police cells. (All of `em, somewhere
inhospitable in The Big Apple, Sept95)
10. Look like a right fanny in a wedding dress. (Tim, Toronto, Oct95)
...not as funny on screen as in print. But maybe its the pic that
accompany's the list with them all looking so...`polite&all' that makes
the list even more outrageous b/c it's all true.
Enjoy.
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:17:29 +0000
From: 9416641@edufee.fee.uva.nl
Subject: Re: EARTHLING
Hi Chris,
you should get your information straight.
It makes no sense to say something about a band if it is untrue.
It's no ambient!!!!!
It's alright if you don't like them, everybody his own taste of music
but it is ridiculous if the info is wrong.
lisa
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:30:08 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov) (Krassi Lyakov)
Subject: final top 10 list
Ok, here are the bands most liked by Charlatans fans on this list:
1.Stone Roses (17 votes)
2.Oasis (13)
3.Verve (8)
4.Blur (8)
5.Beatles (6)
6.Ride (6)
7.The Cure (5)
8.Happy Mondays/Black Grape (5)
9.Depeche Mode (4)
10.The The (4)
11.Chemical Brothers (3)
12.Pink Floyd (3)
13.Slowdive (3)
14.Inspiral Carpets (3)
15.Smiths/Morrissey (3)
16.Lush (3)
The following bands are the ones mentioned only once (I, personally, have
never heard of them) :
Sianspheric4
The Rosemarys
Band of Susans
Boiled In Lead
Drovers
Galliano
Gorky's Zycotic Mynci
Tokyo Sexwail
Charlie Parke
Felt
Nice
Puressense
Senseless Things
There weren't many entries for an "island" album (I know, it's a tough one),
but the people on the list who did pick one, listed the following:
Stone Roses - Stone Roses (2 votes)
Slowdive - Souvlaki (2)
Ride - Nowhere (2)
The Beatles - The Beatles
The Real People - The Real People
The Cure - Pornography
Depeche Mode - Black Celebration
Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
Suede - DMS
I appologize, once again, to those of you on the list who got annoyed by
receiving tons of messages with a subject line "top 10..." I should've maybe
asked people to reply to my address, but I thought that everyone would be
interested in the tastes of the other Charlatans fans on this list.
To me,the top 10 listings were helpful, because I found out about "new"
bands. Since they were recommended by people who like music somewhat similar
to my taste, I would check them out the next time I'm in the music
store...That's the whole reason why I wanted to do this. I hope noone is
upset at me! :)
Peace!
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:16:05 -0500
From: hultiin0@seraph1.sewanee.edu (Niklas Hultin)
Subject: Re: final top 10 list
>Ok, here are the bands most liked by Charlatans fans on this list:
>
> 8.Happy Mondays/Black Grape (5)
>14.Inspiral Carpets (3)
Am I the only one who's surprised that these two bands did not do better,
considering there were part of the same scene as the Charlatans. For some
reason I never cared much for HM and still havent heard much by BG, but IC
rank pretty high for me. Also (cant remember if Ive said it on this list
before - apologies if I have), Im currently working on an IC www-site. For
more info, e-mail me.
>The following bands are the ones mentioned only once (I, personally, have
>never heard of them) :
>
>The Rosemarys
>Band of Susans
Both of these are kind of dreampoppy with the Rosemarys (from San Fran)
sounding like a mellowed out Lush or early Ride and BoS (from NYC) often
drawing comparisons to Sonic Youth. If you're into dreampop, I would
recommend them both.
>Galliano
>Gorky's Zycotic Mynci
I've heard much about these two bands but have yet to hear them. Would
anyone care to tell me about them and if they're available stateside?
>Senseless Things
Opened up for Blur on their first US tour. What I have heard of them was
crap, like a really bad version of Neds (didnt get to see them live, maybe
they were good).
[...]
>To me,the top 10 listings were helpful, because I found out about "new"
>bands. Since they were recommended by people who like music somewhat similar
>to my taste, I would check them out the next time I'm in the music
>store...That's the whole reason why I wanted to do this. I hope noone is
>upset at me! :)
Personally I thought it was a good idea...better than the pointless threads
seen on Advert-l and Whatever-l full of personal attacks.
Nik Hultin
hultiin0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:25:39 +0000
From: "Greg Ipp" <gipp@fun.direct.ca>
Subject: Re: final top 10 list
> From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov) (Krassi Lyakov)
>
> Sianspheric4
These guys are from outside of Toronto (Hamilton). I saw them play
quite a lot when i lived there, and met them a few times... they're
all really into the verve, and it shows. closest thing left to the
verve (imho) since the breakup. i suggest you check them out. the
album is called Somnium and its on Sonic Unyon records, released
through Cargo.
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:17:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Rehak <rehak@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Part 2 of RAW(Dec5) list
On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Ellen Kim wrote:
[second half of her list]
> ...not as funny on screen as in print. But maybe its the pic that
> accompany's the list with them all looking so...`polite&all' that makes
> the list even more outrageous b/c it's all true.
> Enjoy.
I thought it was pretty good, thanx for sending it. If anybody else out there
has some good Charlatans' interviews, or whatever, how 'bout adding em to the
mailing list? I've been thinking about making some of my favorite
Charlies songs into .wav files and sending 'em, but if I decide to, it'll
have to wait till January. Anybody out there whose interested, lemme know.
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Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 15:23:35 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: charlies vs pearl jam
> > i must agree with your selections...
> >
> > phish is one of the most over rated bands only following nirvana and pearl jam
> >
> Stop picking on Nirvana.
since I AM the one who picked on nirvana i believe i have the right for a
rebuttle here. (don't worry this has something to do with the charlatans. just
keep reading) FIRST OF ALL. I mailed my response to you privately but since
you insist on having yourself publicly humiliated by sending this post to the
mailing list . . .
> They may not have had the most complex songs, but they were a voice to a
> generation, even though this was more than Kurt Cobain could handle.
it wasn't the song writing i had a problem with. in fact i heard tori amos'
cover of smells like teen spirit. when i heard the lyrics, i found them to be
quite clever and actually quite moving. but that's exactly it. I HEARD the
lyrics. it was cobain'd belching out and grunting that turned me right off.
GENERATION! EXCUSE ME! HELLO! i must have been born in the wrong generation
then. and a voice... well... i've already given my opinion on cobain's voice
They did become huge, and I regret that. I regret
and why? because you're an mtv watching, coffee shop hangin', grunge loving,
doc martin wearing, flannel sporting fool! give it up grunge is dead and even
when it was alive it still sucked. get over it.
> it more so when I read comments like the one above.
> As for Pearl Jam, they haven't made as great an album as Ten, but Vitology
> was the album that showed they were willing to take chances on performing
> different styles and to experiment with sounds. At least they were able to
> risk a bit, and this is more than I could say for the Charlatans.
RISK? HA! hardly. pearl jam's ten was still in the top 100 when they released
vitalogy. as if they didn't know that with their david geffen style marketing
that every teenie bopper in the u.s wouldn't be wetting their beds to get a
copy. it didn't matter they could've had a 45 minute recording of eddy vedder
blowing his nose and the kids would have fell for it.
you wanna talk about risk. try recording with a new producer (ie: between 10th
and 11th), try recording an album while your hammond player is in the slammer.
the fact that the charlatans even made it over to north america in 1994 was
incredible. even the british press weren't raving about up to our hips (except
for may be a few catchy songs they liked such as jesus hairdo and can't get out
of bed). this was a low for them. but they still had the guts to come to north
america when pearl jam was doing it's thing and people still wouldn't let
cobain rest in peace. the charlatans have never been a band to chase the
american dollar like some bands. they do what ever they do and it's good. their
style has changed somewhat. but they don't go off releasing some useless record
with a fancy leather looking cover and say hey every american kid who wants to
be cool buy this record.
> I'm not saying I like Pearl Jam more than them,
for your sake i hope not. you're posting this to the charlatans mailing list!
but I'm willing to say they are able to stick their necks out more often.
as from above we already know this isn't true. the charlatans are obviously
better than either of those trash bands.
> As for Nirvana, Bleach is brilliant. Give it a listen to someday...
> if you dare.
if i dare to what? listen to crap? no thanks i'll stick to my charlatans
records thank you very much.
p.s. if you can't take it when someone "picks" on nirvana go join that mailing
list and leave the charlatans alone.
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:25:29 EST
From: "Aliena" <RHOBCROFT@bss.inforamp.net>
Subject: The Captain
>
> 7. Captain Beefheart - Strictly Personal
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> a squid eatin dough in a polyethyline bag is fast and bulbous!
>
> YES FINALLY SOMEONE METIONS THE CAPTAIN!
The above quote is from the Troutmask Replica album I believe...*ahem* ;-)
I run into a few fans on the net now and again....
beetle bones and smokin stones.....~..~..~
It's amazing stuff - I would class it as really hard blues/jazz, a
bit like Soul Coughing but without any tunes.....He did a lot of work
with Frank Zappa too...
I know this is off the subject.....errmmmm....The Charlatans RULE!
(everybody happy now?)
Cheers, Robyn :)
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:13:12 +0100
From: Erik S|derstr|m <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Band of Susans
On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, hultiin0@seraph1.sewanee.edu (Niklas Hultin) wrote:
>Band of Susans
>
> ...kind of dreampoppy with the Rosemarys (from San Fran) sounding like a
> mellowed out Lush or early Ride and BoS (from NYC) often drawing comparisons
> to Sonic Youth. If you're into dreampop, I would recommend them both.
I wouldn't go that far really. From what I've heard and seen of BoS, they
don't strike me as dreampoppy at all. The comparison with Sonic Youth on
the other hand is pretty much the correct description, I feel.
//Erik
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:13:29 +0100
From: Erik S|derstr|m <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Verve
On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Greg Ipp <gipp@fun.direct.ca> wrote:
> closest thing left to the verve (imho) since the breakup.
Hey!
Verve is back together again (alas without one of their guitarists
and with three additional new members). Their new single will be
out in the beginning of '96. Thank god! :)
//Erik
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:13:48 +0100
From: Erik S|derstr|m <chief@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Archive
On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Trygve Gudmundsen <trygu@stud2.misjonshs.no> wrote:
> http://stud2.misjonshs.no/charlie/charlatans-archive.9511.gz
> This is not a complete archive though (only from 15 of November)
Funny that. I'm in the habit of making digests out of non-digest
mailing lists, and have been doing one from this one as well since
I subscribed (on the 7th of november). So far there are two completed
digests (char-101.txt and char-102.txt, about 40-50k each) and two more
to follow this weekend. I've found it a lot easier to find things in
digests myself, and that's my reason for doing them as well, plus, it
saves me a lot of space, deleting most of the headers (the things that
aren't important anyway) and the 5-10 line .signatures and making a
short index at the beginning of each digest.
If anyone wants copies of the digests, let me know and I'll send
them right over. I'll probably add them to my homepage somewhere
one day, but I never planned to, so you'll never know. :)
//Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)
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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 00:26:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: Re: Verve
>On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Greg Ipp <gipp@fun.direct.ca> wrote:
>
>> closest thing left to the verve (imho) since the breakup.
>
>Hey!
>Verve is back together again (alas without one of their guitarists
>and with three additional new members). Their new single will be
>out in the beginning of '96. Thank god! :)
Where did you hear this ie reliable source or what?
this is no joking matter....
nicole
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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 03:13:27 -0500
From: st930454@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Briana Campbell)
Subject: Re: Verve
>>On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Greg Ipp <gipp@fun.direct.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> closest thing left to the verve (imho) since the breakup.
>>
>>Hey!
>>Verve is back together again (alas without one of their guitarists
>>and with three additional new members). Their new single will be
>>out in the beginning of '96. Thank god! :)
>
>Where did you hear this ie reliable source or what?
>this is no joking matter....
>nicole
Is this a true statement?
Tell me more!!!
-B
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:01:11 +0000 (GMT)
From: "(What's the story...) Martin Fawley" <ma3maf@bath.ac.uk>
Subject: Northern Uproar
Does anyone know what happened to Northern Uproar at Reading when they
were supposed to be supporting the Charls? I was looking forward to
seeing them as I'd heard they were a top band, but they never showed up.
Cheers for any info
Martin.
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:08:42 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Earthling is ................(not dutch)
> Hi Dave and everybody else,
> I feel, now that I've mentioned Earthling, I should tell a bit more
> about them.
> they are from england, and one of the members is from bristol.
> They didn't get much attention from the media cause they released
> their album after Portishead and Tricky.
> They are not the same at all but it is a bit similar...
> It's a bit of triphop.
> I really really like them so I advice you all to go and check it out.
> anymore nice bands I should listen to??????
> lisa
Lisa,
This is kind of a reply to you and also a bit of info for Niklas.
You should definitely try and listen to Gorkys Zycotic Mynci although
you might have difficulty getting hold of their stuff outside of the
UK. They're kind of an alternative pop group from Wales (Cymru am
byth!!!) and quite a lot of their stuff is in the Welsh language.
Their lead singer and main source of inspiration is the wonderfully
named Euros Childs and although they've played at a few large
festivals (Glastonbury, Reading) its rare to see them outside of
Wales. They're really annoying as they've got the potential to be
absolutely massive but seem to be happier playing small gigs to
delirious audiences. Their current album is 'Bwyd Time' and has more
English language songs on it than any of their previous three albums.
Hope some of this info. is useful or interesting to someone at least.
Dave
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:49 PST
From: backbeat@IslandNet.com (backbeat@islandnet.com)
Subject: Re: c/usr/tmp/MScQCAa25298
> > > i must agree with your selections...
> > >
> > > phish is one of the most over rated bands only following nirvana and pearl jam
> > >
> > Stop picking on Nirvana.
>
> since I AM the one who picked on nirvana i believe i have the right for a
> rebuttle here. (don't worry this has something to do with the charlatans. just
> keep reading) FIRST OF ALL. I mailed my response to you privately but since
> you insist on having yourself publicly humiliated by sending this post to the
> mailing list . . .
I'm sorry, but my internet supplier doesn't show Cc or anything that could
tell me this. I just presumed that this was to the list, so I tagged the
lists address. I'm forming my rebuttle here becuase I just want everyone
to show how closed minded a Charlatans' fan can be. Just because of you I
just *might* quit this list.
> > They may not have had the most complex songs, but they were a voice to a
> > generation, even though this was more than Kurt Cobain could handle.
>
> it wasn't the song writing i had a problem with. in fact i heard tori amos'
> cover of smells like teen spirit. when i heard the lyrics, i found them to be
> quite clever and actually quite moving. but that's exactly it. I HEARD the
> lyrics. it was cobain'd belching out and grunting that turned me right off.
It's called singing in a way that fits the emotion of the lyrics.
Nirvana's lyrics were angry, so why not shout them out? Ever listen to
John Lennon's _Plastic Ono Band_ album? No? Give it a try. He sings the
song in a raging matter when it is needed. Sometimes you can almost taste
the bila in his mouth. Sorry if you can't relate.
> GENERATION! EXCUSE ME! HELLO! i must have been born in the wrong generation
> then. and a voice... well... i've already given my opinion on cobain's voice
And I have shown you have no clue on emotion. Not every great performer
has a great voice (ie, Bob Dylan), but they sure can perfornm their songs
like no other.
> They did become huge, and I regret that. I regret
>
> and why? because you're an mtv watching, coffee shop hangin', grunge loving,
> doc martin wearing, flannel sporting fool! give it up grunge is dead and even
> when it was alive it still sucked. get over it.
I'm sorry I'm gonna say this, but "FUCK YOU!!!" I know that James doesn't
appreciate such language on the list, and I'm very sorry, but I hate
stereotypes. I hate coffee shops; I don't watch MTV (I'm Canadian and we
have a slightly superior MuchMusic, and I hardly watch that); I don't
label music (unlike yourself), so I appreciate everything I hear unbiasly;
I just recently got Docs becuase my parents bought them for me for work;
and I don't have a flannel shirt! Get Of it!!!!
> > it more so when I read comments like the one above.
>
> > As for Pearl Jam, they haven't made as great an album as Ten, but Vitology
> > was the album that showed they were willing to take chances on performing
> > different styles and to experiment with sounds. At least they were able to
> > risk a bit, and this is more than I could say for the Charlatans.
>
> RISK? HA! hardly. pearl jam's ten was still in the top 100 when they released
> vitalogy. as if they didn't know that with their david geffen style marketing
> that every teenie bopper in the u.s wouldn't be wetting their beds to get a
> copy. it didn't matter they could've had a 45 minute recording of eddy vedder
> blowing his nose and the kids would have fell for it.
Pearl Jam release Vitology *much* earlier than Geffen wanted because it
was less than a year since Versus. Record exec, these days, like to have
almost two years between albums. This isn't the sixties. I guess you're
gonna compare the Beatles to Pearl Jam, are ya? Just becuase a band is
prolific, it doesn't mean they are bad.
> you wanna talk about risk. try recording with a new producer (ie: between 10th
> and 11th), try recording an album while your hammond player is in the slammer.
> the fact that the charlatans even made it over to north america in 1994 was
> incredible. even the british press weren't raving about up to our hips (except
> for may be a few catchy songs they liked such as jesus hairdo and can't get out
> of bed). this was a low for them. but they still had the guts to come to north
> america when pearl jam was doing it's thing and people still wouldn't let
> cobain rest in peace. the charlatans have never been a band to chase the
> american dollar like some bands. they do what ever they do and it's good. their
> style has changed somewhat. but they don't go off releasing some useless record
> with a fancy leather looking cover and say hey every american kid who wants to
> be cool buy this record.
Try recording songs like "Bugs," "Pry, To," or "Hey Foxymophandiemams,
That's Me." Now that's called risk taking. I know they lost some
listeners for those songs. Vitology seperates the real fans from the
so-called "posers".
> > I'm not saying I like Pearl Jam more than them,
>
> for your sake i hope not. you're posting this to the charlatans mailing list!
Let's also remember I didn't say I liked them less than the Charlatans. I
like to keep an open mind. Only the Beatles are the best, in my mind.
> but I'm willing to say they are able to stick their necks out more often.
>
> as from above we already know this isn't true. the charlatans are obviously
> better than either of those trash bands.
You are just showing how closed minded you are, again.
> > As for Nirvana, Bleach is brilliant. Give it a listen to someday...
> > if you dare.
>
> if i dare to what? listen to crap? no thanks i'll stick to my charlatans
> records thank you very much.
Not worth touching.
> p.s. if you can't take it when someone "picks" on nirvana go join that mailing
> list and leave the charlatans alone.
I never knew you are the spokesperson for this list. Does one need to
have the Charlatans as number one on their lists to be here? If so, then
everyone should tell me so that I may unsubscribe. Well... How about it,
people.
Dougie
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:14:28 -0500 (EST)
From: kclair@sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair)
Subject: Re: Archive
Could you send me a copy of those two digests? I'm new to the list...
Thanks,
Kristina Clair
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:49:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris <ssu95cig@reading.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Northern Uproar
Northern Uproar were there, they did support the Charlies but they weren't
there for very long and they came on bloody early. The doors opened about
8pm and they were on by about 20 past. But they were very good, what I
heard of them
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:55:57 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris <ssu95cig@reading.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Verve
It is half true. The Verve are, sadly, no more. However, Richard Ashcroft
has loads of new songs already written for his new band, which I think
features the drummer and bassist from the Verve, but not the guitarist
Nick McCabe. He had an argument with Ashcroft which is why the Verve split
up, I think. I don't know of any other members joining the new band. There
will be new material in the new year, supposedly.
Chris.
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:08:58 +0000
From: "Greg Ipp" <gipp@fun.direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Northern Uproar
> Northern Uproar were there, they did support the Charlies but they weren't
> there for very long and they came on bloody early. The doors opened about
> 8pm and they were on by about 20 past. But they were very good, what I
> heard of them
guess they had to get home in time to wash up for bed and do their
homework:) ... oh come on, it was FAR too easy to pass up.
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:12:45 -0500
From: hultiin0@seraph1.sewanee.edu (Niklas Hultin)
Subject: Re: Band of Susans
>On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, hultiin0@seraph1.sewanee.edu (Niklas Hultin) wrote:
>
>>Band of Susans
>>
>> ...kind of dreampoppy with the Rosemarys (from San Fran) sounding like a
>> mellowed out Lush or early Ride and BoS (from NYC) often drawing comparisons
>> to Sonic Youth. If you're into dreampop, I would recommend them both.
>
>I wouldn't go that far really. From what I've heard and seen of BoS, they
>don't strike me as dreampoppy at all. The comparison with Sonic Youth on
>the other hand is pretty much the correct description, I feel.
Well, they do have that droning sound characteristic of dreampop bands like
the Swirlies....
Nik Hultin
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:36:36 -0500
From: Wally Dodson <wally@credrouter.limited.net>
Subject: Re: Band of Susans
peice of triva, one of the orignal guitarist in Band of Susans is now
in Helmet
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:51:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Benda <bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us>
Subject: Live '91
For those of you who own the live in europe CD, how good is the
sound quality and is it worth the 25 odd dollars?
--Also, I recently purchased the Chewing Gum Weekend/Tremolo
Song/Normality Swing "Special Collectors CD" that was supposed to be two
discs but was only one, saying that you had to send in for the other
disc. What's the deal with this?
--Finally, when are those limey bastards gunna play in
Seattle--lord know Oasis has been here too many times already.
Hello below me...........
JASON
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:18:05 -0600 (CST)
From: mquinn@umr.edu
Subject: Re: Archive
Could you send me a copy of those two digests? I'm new to the list...
Thanks,
Kristina Clair
which two do you speak of? here's waht i have:
stone roses lyrics digest (1)
stone roses mailing list digests (85 total)
let me know, please
mikeq
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:07:02 -0600 (CST)
From: mquinn@umr.edu
Subject: Re: Archive
> which two do you speak of? here's what i have:
>
> stone roses lyrics digest (1)
> stone roses mailing list digests (85 total)
>
> let me know, please
> mikeq
sorry. i got this mixed up with all the requests i get for roses stuff
off my roses www page. please disregard.
q
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:05:31 +0000 (GMT)
From: "(What's the story...) Martin Fawley" <ma3maf@bath.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Northern Uproar
That's not on cos I was still queuing outside by about 20 past. Cheers
for the info anyway.
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:40:23 -0500 (EST)
From: kclair@sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair)
Subject: Re: Archive
> stone roses lyrics digest (1)
which lyrics do you have? I'm interesting in those to "Second Coming" if
they are on there.
> stone roses mailing list digests (85 total)
do you have lists of subjects for these digests?
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:25:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Green <kgreen@dcs.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: japan tour
hey hiroko, whats up??? later kevin, kinda bored right now?
anything new happening in Japan in music?
can you describe Japanese TV for me? how many channels are there?
is there cable? is mtv a full channel or just a show?
when do they show all of this good music on tv?
sorry to bother you and bore you with questions, but I am curious, thank
you for your time
kevin
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:08:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Rehak <rehak@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Clean up this mailing list!!
I agree, but I have a non-Charlatans question for the group. Sorry about
this Justin, but I'm curious. What I want to know is what else you all listen
to. Now, I know there was just a thread about that, but hear me out. It
was unsurprising that everybody mentioned mostly Brit pop bands, or bands
along those lines. I like that too, don't get me wrong. What I'm wondering
is, outside of that, what do like to put in the stereo? I can't imagine
that that's all anybody here listens to. There's gotta be some diverse
musical tastes here. So let's hear it: Outside of Brit pop & the like, what
is it you listen to.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:46:34 -0500
From: st95e874@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (yArN)
Subject: Re: Clean up this mailing list!!
>On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Justin Beck wrote:
>
>> This list has gotten out of hand. Please, try to remember it is the
>> CHARLATANS mailing list. This doesn't mean we can't discuss related
>> matters, but personal arguments about Nirvana and close-mindedness are
>> absolutely not appropriate!!
>>
>> THIS IS NOT A NEWSGROUP. Please don't reply to the group with one word
>> responses like "huh?" (which someone replied to a request to
>> unsubscribe). If you want to argue about non-Charlatans issues, please
>> CONFINE IT TO PERSONAL E-MAIL.
>>
> I agree, but I have a non-Charlatans question for the group. Sorry about
>this Justin, but I'm curious. What I want to know is what else you all listen
>to. Now, I know there was just a thread about that, but hear me out. It
>was unsurprising that everybody mentioned mostly Brit pop bands, or bands
>along those lines. I like that too, don't get me wrong. What I'm wondering
>is, outside of that, what do like to put in the stereo? I can't imagine
>that that's all anybody here listens to. There's gotta be some diverse
>musical tastes here. So let's hear it: Outside of Brit pop & the like, what
>is it you listen to.
ok! so you want to know what i like, well.... have you heard of a band
named sloan, lotion, pavement, yarn, oasis, rem, dambiulders, blur, and
tons of little indie bands ... sebadoh, madder rose, and others
how about you?
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:18:38 EST
From: "Powerpoint" <RHOBCROFT@bss.inforamp.net>
Subject: Diversity...
A few odd things I have in my record collection....
Abba, The Everly Bros, 60's Soul Hits Compilations, Captain
Beefheart, Don Mclean, Jefferson Airplane, Pink Floyd, The Muppets
(what's so funny? Rolf was a very talented doggy), Soul Coughing,
lots of Jungle and Rave tapes - including Altern-8, James Taylor,
Crowded House, En Vogue. Ladysmith Black Mambazo, Paul McCartney,
John Lennon (or do they count as The Beatles?), The Animals, Creedence
Clearwater Revival, Steeleye Span, Fleetwood Mac, Madonna, U2,
Michael Jackson, Fairport Convention, Talk Talk, The Beatiful South,
G Love and Special Sauce............I can't remember any more........
Sorry to anyone who ain't interested!
Cheers, Robyn :)
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 01:32:37 -0500
From: lwminton@COLBY.EDU (Lee W. Minton)
Subject: Re: Diversity...
>A few odd things I have in my record collection....
>
>Abba, The Everly Bros, 60's Soul Hits Compilations, Captain
>Beefheart, Don Mclean, Jefferson Airplane, Pink Floyd, The Muppets
>(what's so funny? Rolf was a very talented doggy), Soul Coughing,
>lots of Jungle and Rave tapes - including Altern-8, James Taylor,
>Crowded House, En Vogue. Ladysmith Black Mambazo, Paul McCartney,
>John Lennon (or do they count as The Beatles?), The Animals, Creedence
>Clearwater Revival, Steeleye Span, Fleetwood Mac, Madonna, U2,
>Michael Jackson, Fairport Convention, Talk Talk, The Beatiful South,
>G Love and Special Sauce............I can't remember any more........
THOSE BANDS REALLY SUCK. I'M SORRY. EXCEPT G LOVE (I KNOW HIM)
---------------------
From: "Powerpoint" <RHOBCROFT@bss.inforamp.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:24:16 EST
Subject: Re: Diversity...
> THOSE BANDS REALLY SUCK. I'M SORRY. EXCEPT G LOVE (I KNOW HIM)
I think I have to say: mature.
And you have listened to *every single one* of the above bands, have you?
I'm sorry *grovel grovel*, if I'd have *only KNOWN* you knew G Love
then I would never have contemplated even replying to SOMEONE ELSES
QUESTION. Hey everyone!! We'd better watch what we write - HE KNOWS
G LOVE!!!!! <dripping sarcasm>
It quite clearly implies `ignore this if you do not have anything
positive to contribute'
Yours cheerfully, Robyn :)
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 01:33 PST
From: backbeat@IslandNet.com (backbeat@islandnet.com)
Subject: outside of "britpop" (no charlatans)
Well I like:
Nirvana
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam
Bob Dylan
Duran Duran
Black Crowes
Dramarama
REM
Grapes Of Wrath
Sarah McLachlan <sigh>
Crowded House
Jeff Beck
The Cure
a lot of 80s stuff
and some other stuff that doesn't come to mind, and I must add that this
list is not in the order of preference.
Dougie
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:55:24 +0000
From: 9416641@edufee.fee.uva.nl
Subject: R Other music......
Hi,
I really agree on the fact that it is not possible that evrebody only
listens to britpop.
I also listen to NOFX, Pennywise,Violent Femmes (really nice)
Tricky, Earthling, Rancid, Pavement, Pixies and lots more.
i can all recommend these bands.
Have a listen........
lisa
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 09:14:35 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Changing list
I was on the list from about 2 weeks in I think and we started off
with *Everything* Charlatans and that was great...BUT...there must be
only a certain amount of stuff you can talk about one band before it
gets thin on the ground. I think diversity is okay as long as it's in
the same region and I think someone needs to set some boundries
otherwise we will turn into the indie-mail list (which is *RUBBISH*).
I think endless lists of top top bands falls out of the boundries
myself but some people may like that kind of thing so we may need some
sort of consensus. Otherwise the discussions have been okay so far.
One last thing - How do you reply to a person personally when they
haven't sig'ed thier mail address, if I reply it goes to the mail list
as thet's the from address.
Mark K.
mark@yacc.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:42:51 -0500
From: lwminton@COLBY.EDU (Lee W. Minton)
Subject: Re: R Other music......
>Hi,
>
>I really agree on the fact that it is not possible that evrebody only
>listens to britpop.
>I also listen to NOFX, Pennywise,Violent Femmes (really nice)
>Tricky, Earthling, Rancid, Pavement, Pixies and lots more.
>i can all recommend these bands.
>Have a listen........
RIGHT ON!!!!!! DO YOU HAVE NOFX "I HEAR THEY SUCK LIVE"? ITS REAL GOOD. A
COUPLE YEARS AGO, I SAW PENNYWISE IN NEW JERSEY (USA) AND GUESS WHO OPENED
FOR THEM? OFFSPRING. PRETTY IRONIC, EH?
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