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The Charlatans Digest Volume 02 Issue 19
The Charlatans Digest Thu Aug 15, 1996 Volume 2 : Issue 19
There are 66 messages totalling 1403 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Hmmm?!? (8)
2. desert thinggy
3. ???
4. Opinions Please (5)
5. the 'sis bollocks. (2)
6. Desert Island Question (4)
7. ken
8. Desert Island Discs (10)
9. Ok, why not, 10 for eternity (2)
10. Paris Angels (2)
11. One to Another,JTQ, The White Room/ Mark Radcliffe, Big Kahuna
12. Sheer Heresy
13. nooo (8)
14. Rob...
15. Charlatans w/Paul Weller
16. not charlatans related but anyways...
17. Bootlegs (3)
18. Movin' On Up Now
19. Rob Collins RIP (From this weeks NME)
20. Nothing to do with The Charlatans but...
21. Fan club
22. up to date now. (8)
23. Graham Cawsey's home page
24. Living, breathing, tinkling
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Tue, 06 Aug 1996 20:15:55 -0700
From: Patrick Treanor <catscan@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?
Flosse wrote:
> To be honest:
> this is my first own letter to this list altough i´ve been reading all the
> messages for quite some time.
>
> Well i just want to ask you all out there one question:
>
> Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life.
> Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be
> 10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you???
My first time writing as well,
Here's my desert island list
1. Stone Roses - "stone roses"
2. Charlatans - some freindly
3. Happy Mondays - pills thrills.....
4. The Cure - faith/carnage visors
5. Jesus & Mary Chain - Darklands
6. Stereo MC's - Connected
7. Various - HELP
8. Echo & The Bunnymen - songs to learn & sing
9. Corduroy - high havoc
10. Beck - Odelay (could change if Heavy Stereo ever release an album)
Let me know what you think,
Pattrik,
catscan@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:24:55 UT
From: "Kenneth Johnson" <Hamlet007@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Hmmm?!?
> Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life.
> Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be
> 10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you???
(no particular order)
Beatles - Revolver
Robyn Hitchcock - Black Snake Diamond Role
Ride - Nowhere
Boo Radleys - Giant Steps
The Stone Roses - eponymous
Moose - Live a Little Love a Lot
Parliament - Greatest Hits (The Bomb)
Spiritualized - Pure Phase
Verve - A Northern Soul
The Charlatans - eponymous
.... along with more charlies,beatles,boo,verve,maybe some 'sis,or some
sly,bird,lady day...and so on
cheers
Kenneth
p.s. Hello Winns and Brown
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:16:47 -0700
From: jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca (Jen Howe)
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?
Can't not answer to this one. Here are my albums:
1.Between 10th & 11th - The Charlatans
2.The Charlatans - The Charlatans
3.Paul's Boutique - The Beastie Boys
4.Odelay - Beck
5.Complete Stone Roses - Stone Roses
6.Leisure - Blur
7.1977 - Ash
8.Definitely Maybe - Oasis
9.His 'n Hers - Pulp
10.Radiohead - The Bends
Jen
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:28:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball)
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?
Top ten huh?
1. exit plant dust. the bros
2. hot trip to heaven. love and rockets
3. up to our hips(feel flows,patrol,I never want an easy life.....)
4. a storm in heaven. the verve "I like the way it was I hate the way it
is....."
5. pink opaique. cocteau twins (I would not be able to go on w\out liz)
6. orbital 2. Orbital(halycon+on+on + remind)
7. dummy. portishead (tragic beauty, the mellon collie and other sad
overtones would sound fitting on a deserted isle)
8. pauls boutique. B boys (eggman, looking down, and science sounds)
9. tactical neural implant. frontline assembly (the best of pure industrial
ie no strings)
10.tiger bay (import w\ western wind/tankerville)
I'd also sneak a single, jesus hairdo cause "you know who I am anyway
though! king of what? king of style......shit I gots styles already thats mo
complex that nobody know about, I mean superduty tough but see this is just
simulight what I would call it but if I really get into it and start
camoflagin it....shit I don't even think you'll be able to read it."
LONG LIVE ENGLISH MUSIC
(and a quick and painful death to the afgan whigs america has much better to
offer.... Hell the religous right has more to offer.....
sorry dan I'm usually right there with you bro, but had to call you on the
whigs)
here's to rob collins not resting in peace.....
I hope to break into heaven(valhalla) and hear him jammin with john lennon,
jimmy hendrix, john bonham, and jim morrison. now theres a band that just
might make the deserted islands top ten?
Thankyou ever so for being so ever you forever.
2 4 2
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:56:10 +0100 (BST)
From: Christo <lsx043@coventry.ac.uk>
Subject: desert thinggy
my ten tunes would be
1). Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
2). Sargent Peppers - The Beatles
3). Division Bell - Pink Floyd
4). Everything Must Go - Manic Street Peachers
5). Snivilistation - Obital
6). (What's the Story) Morning Glory - Oasis
7). The dodgy album - Dodgy
8). The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - Pink Floyd
9). Second Coming - The Stone Roses
10). Together Alone - Crowded house
There you go folks.
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:40:21 +0930 (GMT+0930)
From: "Peter D." <9408427b@ntx.City.UniSA.edu.au>
Subject: ???
hey everyone,
Has anyone heard any latest news about the new charlies keyboard player?
I'm really anxious to know, but no-one will ever replace Rob he was one
in million, no, one in trillion....
forever charlatans fan
Kate
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:11:01 +0200
From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..."
<CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Opinions Please
I'm sure I've heard the Stone Roses do a cover...
A Jimi hendrix track at Wembley DEc. 95
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:30:49 +0200
From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..."
<CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: the 'sis bollocks.
Suede Suck.
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:48:37 -0400
From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: Desert Island Question
oooh, i want in on this too:
Charltatans - between 10th and 11th
St. etienne - tiger bay
trash can sinatras - cake
the verve - a storm in heaven
revolver - baby's angry
ride - going blank again
red house painters - no title one with rollercoaster on cover
supreems - anthology or greatest hits (doesn't really matter)
dodgy - the dodgy album
small faces - a decent anthology or greatest hits
(although, i'd have to try and smuggle jesus and mary chain's darklands and
the smiths the queen is dead along as well since i'd not be able to survive
without either of these.)
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:11:54 +0200
From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..."
<CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: ken
Was R.C (rip) drink driving?
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Date: 07 Aug 1996 14:51:14 EDT
From: "JNOVOTN1" <JNOVOTN1@hr.house.gov>
Subject: Desert Island Discs
I've thought about this, and seeing as how I love so many bands, this was
not an easy task. In no particular order, here they are:
1) Pixies-Trompe Le Monde
2) Husker Du-Warehouse: Songs and Stories
3) Jawbreaker-Dear You
4) The Charlatans-Up to Our Hips
5) Catherine Wheel-Chrome
6) Sugar-Copper Blue/Beaster
7) The Clash-the Clash (U.K. Version)
8) The Buzzcocks- Singles Going Steady
9) The Smiths-Louder Than Bombs
10) Red House Painters-Red House Painters (rollercoaster)
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:53:08 -0500
From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane)
Subject: Re: Desert Island Question
>oooh, i want in on this too:
>
>Charltatans - between 10th and 11th
>St. etienne - tiger bay
>trash can sinatras - cake
>the verve - a storm in heaven
>revolver - baby's angry
GOOD LORD! ANOTHER REVOLVER FAN! Wow! I didn't think anybody else had even
HEARD of them!!!! I looooove Revolver, despite all the bad press they used
to get. Crimson is still one of my all time faves.
Does anybody have any idea what any of them are doing now? I know that Mat
helped out on Paula from the Drop 19's solo album, but that's where I lost
track.
Reminiscing Boy,
shane
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:56:33 +0100
From: "F.R.O.Chiorando" <FRA95FRC@sheffield.ac.uk>
Subject: desert island discs
10 albums, 1 island,
1.the stone roses
2.some friendly
3.the second coming
4.the charlatans
5.pills,thrills and bellyaches-happy mondays
6.definitely maybe-oasis
7.expecting to fly-bluetones
8.ogden's nut gone flake-small faces
9.high tide and green grass-rolling stones
10.my generation-the who
paul weller, the kinks and the beatles would all be in reserve.
cheers,
fab.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:19:16 -0400
From: ShamanBart@aol.com
Subject: Ok, why not, 10 for eternity
Wow. The desert island special seems to have caught on quite nicely. There
have been several inspired picks out there (Corduroy, Cardigans, Sly and the
Family Stone--awesome). I certainly respect all those who picked some
obvious greats.
I'll stick my cahunas out there for a moment. Desert island faves:
Complete Stone Roses
Ride--Tarantula (with Black Nite Crash single, please, if I may cheat on one)
James Taylor Quartet--Supernatural Feeling
Black Grape--It's Great When... (got to keep dancing so the tsetse flies
won't get you)
Pale Fountains--Pacific Street (10 points for anyone who remembers these
guys)
Paul Weller--1st solo
Charlatans--self titled
Cardigans--Life
Mother Earth--the People Tree
Beatles--Help! (for good luck!)
Unfortunately, if someone rescued you, then you would be sick of your 10
albums forever and wouldn't listen to them again. Ooh, what a drag.
Does anyone know when the new Charlatans single is due out? Or did I miss
that e-mail?
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:41:52 BST
From: etllett@etlxdmx.ericsson.se (Lee Talbot XD/DF x1844)
Subject: Re: Ok, why not, 10 for eternity
> Does anyone know when the new Charlatans single is due out? Or did I miss
> that e-mail?
The new single is out in the UK on August 26th
according to the NME this week.
/Lee
10 days to V96!
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:10:37 -0700
From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt)
Subject: Re: Opinions Please
>I'm sure I've heard the Stone Roses do a cover...
>
>A Jimi hendrix track at Wembley DEc. 95
Rep - Surely that must have been Love Spreads - their rather splendid first
single off of Second Coming which borrows certain guitar licks from Mr
Hendrix. Although I'm sure you're not dumb enough to mistake the two.
Ryan
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:36:16 +0100
From: matthew@sar.dra.hmg.gb (Matthew Hayes)
Subject: Desert Island Discs
My ten desert island discs would be,
The Charlatans - Up to our hips
The Beatles - Revolver
Verve - A Northern Soul
The Stone Roses - Stone Roses
Spacemen three - Translucent Flashbacks
Ride - Going Blank Again
The Kinks - Lolo vs. Powerman and the Monetrgound
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Swervedriver - Lolo. vs Powerman and the Moneyground
Spiritualized - Electric Mainline - Pure Phase
And a salection of others.....
Mat
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:26:26 +0200
From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..."
<CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Opinions Please
I am absolutely positive they did do a hendrix cover....Purple haze...
last song Wemb. dec. 95...
on the top 10 band wagon..
no order.
The Who Quadrophrenia
The Doors The Best of...
The Charaktans The Charlatans
The Beatles The White Album
The Rolling Stones Hot Rocks
The Pixies ? ( 'chained is on it )
The Sex Pistols Nevermind the bollocks
Ride Nowhere
Scan X Chrome II
Chemical Bros. Exit PLanet Dust
...Van Morrison( astral Weeks ) and David Bowie ( diamond dogs ) just missed
out..and an Oasis b-side compilation would've made had it been an album..
bye
Frankie
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 10:09:36 -0400
From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: Desert Island Question
>GOOD LORD! ANOTHER REVOLVER FAN! Wow! I didn't think anybody else had even
>HEARD of them!!!! I looooove Revolver, despite all the bad press they used
>to get. Crimson is still one of my all time faves.
>
>Does anybody have any idea what any of them are doing now? I know that Mat
>helped out on Paula from the Drop 19's solo album, but that's where I lost
>track.
i heard they split up. but, i'm not sure on that one. hopefully they
didn't really split since without them and chapterhouse i'd be so sad.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:20:58 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.C. Horne" <dch23@cus.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Paris Angels
Can anybody remember the Paris Angels (late 80s, early 90s), does
anybody know what has happened to them?
yours
Dave
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:12:39 +0200
From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..."
<CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Desert Island Question
Tommorrow never knows( revolver ) is the best beatles trck..bar none.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 07:25:18 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" <CWALTON@sc9.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions Please
that wasn't the roses. reni wasn't there.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:25:49 +0100 (BST)
From: Lynch KT <du113@city.ac.uk>
Subject: One to Another,JTQ, The White Room/ Mark Radcliffe, Big Kahuna
On Mon, 5 Aug 1996 ShamanBart@aol.com wrote:
> What a crap idea, more like! While I am not totally adverse to the
> Inspirals, their annoying use of a wheezing, squealing Farfisa organ totally
> shut them off my buying list. Sorry, James Taylor of JTQ is 10 K better.
I managed to get tickets for the recording of The White Room ( a UK live
music show) last week and managed to have a chat with Mark Radcliffe (the
presenter and a Radio 1 DJ). After a while we got on to the subject of the
Charlatans, apparently the band were schedueled to make a live appearance
on the show to coincide with the new single in a few weeks time,
however after Rob's death it was immediatley cancelled, but the offer was
left open for the band to play by the shows producers if they changed
their mind, and it now looks likely they'll be on the show soon. Look out
for it!
Mark also said that James Taylor from JTQ was drafted in to replace Rob
for a few gigs at the time of Rob's prison spell (I don't honestly remember
this happening but I wasn't going to argue with him) and that he would be
the obvious short term replacement. With Duffy being drafted in this
doesn't seem to be the case.
Has anybody been to The Big Kahuna Burger Bar on a Friday at Smithfields,
Tim is a regular there and sometimes DJ's as are the Chemical Brothers,
Coldcut, some of Primal Scream, St Ettiene (Sarah Cracknell in the
flesh: even better than in the video's lads!), James Dean Bradfield.
Deffinitely the coolest place to be on a Friday if you're in London - you
all must go. The last time I was there was in June, Tim was there and he got
mobbed by a load of Japanese tourists! They didn't say anything but just
followed him around all night - bizarre!
For those of you who haven't heard the new single - SUCKERS!!!!!!!
It's a real grower, sounds a lot like Sympathy For The Devil, there's even
a bit were Tim sings 'pleased to meet you', it's produced by one of the
Chemical Brothers and is dead groovy. You won't be dissapointed. In this
age of any old indie band getting a Top 10 hit in the UK charts, I'm
going to put a bet on at the local bookies that it's going to be a number 1.
Lot's of Love
Kev.
XXXX
p.s. Elastica must be destroyed: become friends through Steve Llamacq via
boyfriend, get a record deal on Llamacq's Deceptive label therefore assuring
much over-inthusiastic press coverage (Steve still has his music press links)
and radio airplay (on Steve's very own radio 1 show). Despite the fact that
the band are talentless, sing about nothing (Justine's dad designed
Canary Wharf so it's unlikely you'll hear her singing about hardship), and
have a greater realiance on other peoples material to 'create' their own songs
than the Barron Knights or Wierd Al Yankovic, their debut album sells by the
bucket load largely due to the fact too many 'music fans' are infact
sheep unable to see past music press hype, unable to decide for
themselves if they actually like a band and instead buy records that they
are are 'supposed' to like. I have yet to meet one person who actually
likes Elastica.
Beats slagging off Oasis.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:31:49 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" <CWALTON@sc9.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions Please
P.S. The Roses haven't ever done a cover and never will.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:43:42 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" <CWALTON@sc9.intel.com>
Subject: RE: Hmmm?!?
Here's mine I guess:
1.Stone Roses-Stone Roses
2.What the World is Waiting For- Stone Roses
3.Turns Into Stone- Stone Roses
4.Second Coming-Stone Roses
5.II-Led Zepplin
6.Some Friendly-Charlatans
7.Turtle Soup-Mock Turtles
8.20 essential tracks-The Byrds
9.The Charlatans
10.Sally Cinnamon-Stone Roses
Been listening to the Roses since '88, and I still can't stop.
In 10 years, it'll still be the same. (I hope)
-Cresser
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:49:33 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" <CWALTON@sc9.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Sheer Heresy
That would be an insult to Rob if Clint Boon stepped in. It just
wouldn't happen. I was listening to the new Ride album yesterday, they're
using a B3, or is it a C3, anyways they've split up...
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 18:43:08 +0100
From: Neil Myers <neil@eastpark.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: the 'sis bollocks.
At 03:30 pm 07/08/96 +0200, CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk wrote:
>Suede Suck.
Thank you for that observation!
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:00:06 EST5EDT
From: "jim lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: desert island discs
> 10 albums, 1 island,
I kept on promising myself that I wouldn't join in, but...
10) Exile on Main Street by the Rolling Stones
Easily the Stones' most complete album, and my favourite. I couldn't
imagine not taking this one with me.
9) Abbey Road by the Beatles
I know...a pretty generic and common choice. I don't care...its a
fantastic album.
8) Some Friendly by the Charlatans
Well, I don't need to explain this one!
7) New Wave by the Autuers
The most underrated album of all-time.
6) Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys
Its unbelievable that people think of "Surfin' USA" when they ponder
the Beach Boys, instead of this incredible album (which is 100 times
better than Sgt. Pepper, BTW).
5) The Charlatans by the Charlatans
Goes without saying.
4) Definitely Maybe by Oasis
Good solid, swaggering rock and roll.
3) Parklife by Blur
The best album of the 1990's.
2) Stone Roses by the Stone Roses
The best album of the 1980's.
1) Revolver by the Beatles
The best album...of all-time.
You know what? I'm still not happy with this list...I wish I could include
some Led Zepplin, David Bowie, Black Sabbath, Happy Mondays, the
La's and maybe another Blur album in there!
jim
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 14:04:23 PDT
From: Xantha Stringfellow <STRING@BNAMF.BLACKWELL.COM>
Subject: Re: desert island discs
You did NOT just say that some Beach Boys album is better than Sgt Pepper's!!
You did NOT!! (Well, Jim....I guess there's just no hiding that you're a white
guy!!!)
Xantha
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:17:56 -0400
From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: desert island discs
>You did NOT just say that some Beach Boys album is better than Sgt Pepper's!!
>You did NOT!! (Well, Jim....I guess there's just no hiding that you're a white
>guy!!!)
>
>Xantha
>
Actually, I've heard that exact thing from a lot of other people and a lot
of industry type of places. I do believe that I even read that Paul
Macartny said that it was one of the most influencial records of all time as
well. And I have to support jim in his claim that it is nothing like the
surfin' USA type of beach boys stuff. I didn't think that was possible but
upon constant harrassment from a friend I gave it a chance to be pleasantly
surprised. Here today becoming one of my favourite songs of the 1960s -
ever. Two other bands that rival the beatles IMHO are the Left Banke and
the Walker brothers, with the hollies and byrds coming in close behind.
And I know, I know not charlatans related. I just wanted to support jim's
claim that Pet Sounds is a bloody brilliant album.
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:42:42 -0400
From: O2bBritish@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?
Definitely Maybe by Oasis
(What's the Story) Morning Glory? by Oasis
Stone Roses (self titled)
Second Coming by the Stone Roses
Suede (self titled)
Different Class by Pulp
Some Friendly by the Charlatans
Up to Our Hips by the Charlatans
Between the 10th and 11th by the Charlatans
The Charlatans UK (self titled)
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:05:23 -0700
From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt)
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?
>Definitely Maybe by Oasis
>(What's the Story) Morning Glory? by Oasis
>Stone Roses (self titled)
>Second Coming by the Stone Roses
>Suede (self titled)
>Different Class by Pulp
>Some Friendly by the Charlatans
>Up to Our Hips by the Charlatans
>Between the 10th and 11th by the Charlatans
>The Charlatans UK (self titled)
What about some Hawkwind or Marillion?
Ryan
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:34:58 +0200
From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..."
<CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: nooo
does there ever be charlatan bootlegs?
..and how good are their b-sides.?
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:39:55 +0200
From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..."
<CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Rob...
charlatans on T.V
Later with Jools Holland tomorrow sat. at BBC2 12.10pm
and The White Room next Fri. 11.35pm.
happy now.
Frankie?
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:14:27 EST5EDT
From: "jim lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: desert island discs
> You did NOT just say that some Beach Boys album is better than Sgt Pepper's!!
> You did NOT!! (Well, Jim....I guess there's just no hiding that you're a
> white guy!!!)
Even Paul McCartney admits that "Pet Sounds" is better than "Sgt.
Pepper".
It really is a remarkable, and revoloutionary, album that I strongly
reccomend picking up.
jim
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:56:13 -0400
From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: nooo
You want charlatans bootlegs? I've got quite a few. Drop me a line and
i'll tell you what there is. Their b-sides rule, by the way
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:19:32 EST5EDT
From: "jim lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: nooo
> does there ever be charlatan bootlegs?
Sadly, there are only a few charlatan bootlegs floating around.
One of the best is "Hot Licks"; excellent sound quality, and a good mix
of songs from the first album.
> ..and how good are their b-sides.?
Hit and miss. "Happen to Die" is one of the best songs by any band
ever made. "Stir It Up" is also pretty cool.
jim
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 08:39:29 PDT
From: Xantha Stringfellow <STRING@BNAMF.BLACKWELL.COM>
Subject: Re: desert island discs
>Actually, I've heard that exact thing from a lot of other people and a lot
>of industry type of places. I do believe that I even read that Paul
>Macartny said that it was one of the most influencial records of all time as
>well. And I have to support jim in his claim that it is nothing like the
>surfin' USA type of beach boys stuff. I didn't think that was possible but
>upon constant harrassment from a friend I gave it a chance to be pleasantly
>surprised. Here today becoming one of my favourite songs of the 1960s -
>ever. Two other bands that rival the beatles IMHO are the Left Banke and
>the Walker brothers, with the hollies and byrds coming in close behind.
>
>And I know, I know not charlatans related. I just wanted to support jim's
>claim that Pet Sounds is a bloody brilliant album.
Obviously Jim paid you a lot of money to write that message....
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:23:20 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" <CWALTON@sc9.intel.com>
Subject: Re: nooo
Yeah man, my fave bootleg is Hotlicks, its pretty easy to find too.
The b-sides are really cool. Check out the 'Then' single. The b-side
is 'Taurus Moaner' its one of my favourite songs by the charlatans.
Another reccomendation is the b-side to Tremelo song.
-Cresser.
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 18:49:20 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey <gcawsey@private.nethead.co.uk>
Subject: Re: nooo
I wouldn't mind some Charlatans bootlegs.
At 09:56 09/08/96 -0400, you wrote:
>You want charlatans bootlegs? I've got quite a few. Drop me a line and
>i'll tell you what there is. Their b-sides rule, by the way
Graham...
"See my bootlegs at http://www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey"
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 11:35:24 PDT
From: Xantha Stringfellow <STRING@BNAMF.BLACKWELL.COM>
Subject: Re: nooo
>Sadly, there are only a few charlatan bootlegs floating around.
>
>One of the best is "Hot Licks"; excellent sound quality, and a good mix
>of songs from the first album.
Jim has many bootlegs...but just don't ask him to trade any with you. You'll
NEVER get anything!!
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:07:47 -0400
From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: nooo
Here's what I have at the moment:
Live Tapes: Newcastle 29 October 1990 (also on video)
(audio also includes some stuff from London 12 May 1995)
Brighton Daytripper 1993
London 25 November 1995
London (unknown date ) late 1994
London (unknown date) early 1992
Other: TV and Radio Sessions from 1995 (tv stuff also on video)
15/25 Festival, Manchester, 1990 (also on video)
The New Sessions Manchester, April 1990 (also on video)
Did have bootleg CD "They Don't Want To See The
Sights" but it's been pinched
Trades welcome
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:03:57 -0400
From: Jim Lowe <advantage3@netopia.net>
Subject: Re: nooo
At 11:35 AM 8/9/96 PDT, Xantha Stringfellow wrote:
>Jim has many bootlegs...but just don't ask him to trade any with you. You'll
>NEVER get anything!!
You're going to get an awful surprise in the mail next week, then!
jim
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:31:41 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN <SPROSTON_GREEN@wow.com>
Subject: Reply to: Re: Hmmm?!?
10 RIDE....Nowhere
09 MASSIVE ATTACK....PROTECTION
08 MY BLOODY VALENTINE...LOVELESS
07 THE STONE ROSES...SHOOT YOU DOWN(LIVE AT THE BLACKPOOL SHOW)
06 THE CHARLATANS...UP TO OUR HIPS
05 THE BLUETONE ....EXPECTING TO FLY
04 THE CHARLATANS...THE CHARLATANS
03 HAPPY MONDAYS....PIILS N THRILLS
02 GOLDIE....TIMELESS
01 THE STONE ROSES...THE STONE ROSES
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:53:55 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN <SPROSTON_GREEN@wow.com>
Subject: Reply to: Paris Angels
one of the chemical bros was in the paris angels ....corrct me if i am wrong
lazyitis
james
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:08:54 +0200 (MET DST)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Charlatans w/Paul Weller
So, the Charlatans are going on tour with Paul Weller later in August
are they! Well well well... anyone have the tour schedule handy???
Regarding the Knebworth gig - I know BBC (radio) are recording the Oasis
concert, because they broadcast it here in Sweden the day after - and
MTV Europe is broadcasting bits and pieces (or is it the whole thing?)
from the Oasis concert live tomorrow. But what about our heroes
The Charlatans!? Anyone know if _anyone_ is broadcasting _anything_
with them? Or is this another "Oasis takes over the world" thing?!
//Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:18:05 +1000 (EST)
From: Kate McCarthy <katemc@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: not charlatans related but anyways...
>>You did NOT just say that some Beach Boys album is better than Sgt Pepper's!!
>>You did NOT!! (Well, Jim....I guess there's just no hiding that you're a
white
>>guy!!!)
>>
>>Xantha
But you should go listen to "Surf's Up" - it's brilliant! The Beach Boys,
okay so they put out dodgy surf shit early on but they got real experimental
and were tres ahead of their time. As well as Pet Sounds, Smile (or Smiley
Smile) is excellent. And they were a big influence on the Beatles around
the time of Sgt. Pepper.
Ooh! And yes indeedie the Hollies, Byrds and Walker Brothers are excellent
too. And the old Brit group Nirvana.
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 23:43:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS <GJNQVBB@GROVE.IUP.EDU>
Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs
In this flurry of desert island album picks, some cat named Mat wrote that he
would bring something from Swervedriver called "Lolo vs Powerman and the
Moneyground". What is this? I have never heard it and I would like to know
(what year, how many songs, etc.). I personally feel that the Swervies are
one of the most underrated bands right now. I know that I'm sticking my neck
out after the Whigs bashing, but oh well...
Lemme Know,
ddaann.
"...and all your friends seem disappointed, to see the sun going down"
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:29:39 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey <gcawsey@private.nethead.co.uk>
Subject: Bootlegs
Visit my home page for bootlegs.
Graham...
"See my bootlegs at http://www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey"
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:57:35 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey <gcawsey@private.nethead.co.uk>
Subject: Movin' On Up Now
THE CHARLATANS have drafted in Primal Scream man Martin Duffy in place of
the late Rob Collins to play keyboards on their forthcoming dates with Oasis
(August 11 at Knebworth) and with Paul Weller (August18 at Chelmsford).
Duffy offered his services after hearing that The Charlatans wanted to go
ahead with the gigs. A statement from the band read: "Martin is one of the
few contemporary keyboard players who The Charlatans feel possesses the
talent, skill and passion that made Rob's playing so distinctive."
Duffy is a temporary replacement; the band will look for a full-time member
after they have completed their gig obligations. They will release a new
single called 'One To Another' on August 26, taken from the sessions for
their fifth album which was being recorded at Rockfield studios in Wales
when Collins died in a car accident. According to the band, the album is 75
per cent finished; they will restart work on it in the autumn.
Graham...
"See my bootlegs at http://www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey"
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:06:39 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey <gcawsey@private.nethead.co.uk>
Subject: Rob Collins RIP (From this weeks NME)
>From this weeks edition of NME.
ROB COLLINS
1963 - 1996
The death of Charlatans keyboardist Rob Collins has added a further
tragic dimension to the band's chequered history. Born in Sedgeley on
February 23, 1963, he was naturally gifted on the piano at school, and
played in various bands before teaming up with fellow '60s
enthusiasts Martin Blunt and Jon Brookes in 1988. They formed a
prototype Charlatans built around the talents of singer and guitarist
Baz Kettley. Aware that the band weren't realising their full potential,
Kettley departed in early 1989 to be replaced by ex-Electric Crayons
singer Tim Burgess. Things began to click.
Heavily influenced by the fluid, Funkadelic-inspired grooves flowing out of
Manchester, the band adopted a loose, rhythm-heavy sound which allowed Collins
space to make his Hammond organ sound (an instrument largely neglected since
the '60s) the group's hallmark. Having attracted the attention of local record
shop owner Steve Harrison, the band released their organ-heavy debut single
'Indian Rope' (a nod to Brian Augur's classic Hammond workout 'Indian
Rope Man') on his Dead Dead Good label in 1989.
A deal with Beggars Banquet was duly signed and second single
'The Only One I Know' went straight into the Top Ten, characterised as it
was by Collins' idiosyncratic stop-start organ surges, subsequently
becoming NME Single Of The Year for 1990. Debut album 'Some Friendly'
entered the LP charts at Number One. However, the constant disruption of
touring, combined with Martin Blunt's hospitalisation for manic depression
and the departure of guitarist Jon Baker, meant the Flood-produced second
album, 'Between 10th And 11th', was a patchy affair. By 1993, though, more
serious problems loomed.
Collins was sentenced to eight months in jail for his part in an attempted
armed robbery. The band recorded the 'Up To Our Hips' album while awaiting
his release. Only then did Collins get to hear what the band had constructed
around the swamp of keyboards he'd already recorded. Inevitably the record
was an impressive, if deeply thoughtful, affair despite spawning the
uncharacteristically upbeat 'Can't Get Out Of Bed' single. Burgess wrote a
song about himself and Collins entitled 'I Never Want An Easy Life If Me And
He Were Ever To Get There'.
With Collins' sentence over, the group now seemed more settled. With Mark
Collins (no relation) providing a more than competent foil for Collins'
virtuosity, the band finally proved it on record with the release of their
marvellous eponymous fourth album in August 1995, paving the way for a
critical renaissance and a seemingly long and successful career. Poised to
release a new single, 'One To Another', prior to their fifth studio album
as well as being booked as special guests at both the Oasis and Paul Weller
shows over the summer, The Charlatans' place as one of the country's most
enduring and important groups seemed assured. That these glories would
have allowed Collins further opportunity to both excel as an organist and
to live life to the fullest possible degree - his other great talent - makes
his death an even greater tragedy. He is survived by his wife, Joanne, and
daughter, Emily.
Graham...
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:44:57 -0400
From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com>
Subject: Bootlegs
1. Graham Cawsey- where the hell is his homepage? I can't find it anywhere!
2. Does anybody have a copy of "Isolation" the fan club album they could
tape for me?
Cheers,
James Fenn
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 20:31:27 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey <gcawsey@private.nethead.co.uk>
Subject: Nothing to do with The Charlatans but...
All you people in the UK.
Does anyone else think that Gaz from Supergrass looks just a weeney bit like
Fred West?
Graham...
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:04:33 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey <gcawsey@private.nethead.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Bootlegs
At 14:44 10/08/96 -0400, you wrote:
>1. Graham Cawsey- where the hell is his homepage? I can't find it anywhere!
>2. Does anybody have a copy of "Isolation" the fan club album they could
> tape for me?
>
> Cheers,
>James Fenn
My homepage is in my signature.
www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey
What is so hard about finding that?
Graham...
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:00:41 -0700
From: Danny Garcia <dgarcia@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Fan club
I was looking for some info on the fan club. How can I become a member?
Where do I send the info to? Is there a cost?
Any info would be a great help.
Cheers,
Dan
-----------------------------
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:42:49 +0100
From: hutch@paston.co.uk
Subject: up to date now.
beat this for a list!
in no particular order:
- the dylans - SPIRIT FINGER - ( anyone else know them? )
- teenage fanclub - GRAND PRIX
- oasis - DEFINITELY MAYBE ( whats the story is shit though )
- charlies - BETWEEN 10 TH & 11 TH
- charlies - CHARLIES
- charlies - UP TO OUR HIPS
- the who - MEATY BEATY BIG etc.
- dodgy - HOMEGROWN
- the beatles - SARG. PEPPERS
- stone roses - COMPLETE + ( i've got a live tape from last tour)
just missed out -
- cud - SHOWBIZ ( anyone else know them? )
- ride - GOING BLANK etc.
- blue oyster cult - AGENTS OF FORTUNE
Anyone been to knebworth ? was it good? I wanted to go but i was on holiday.
Don't knock the inspirals - devil hopping is a masterpiece
Anyone got any sheet music for the charlies / chords etc. - has there any
been any published?
Suede suck - except for stay together.
I love the Mark Radcliffe show. any other fans out there?
Louise - where are you from?
RIGHT ON!
HEAVY
*****
STEREO
COBBLERS !!
Rob H.
<hutch@paston.co.uk>
Hutch
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 10:03:54 -0400
From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Graham Cawsey's home page
I can't find your page because every time I try to get to it I get a
message saying it doesn't exist! Am I doing something wrong?
James
PS, Gaz Coombes does indeed look like Fred West.
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:23:02 -0400
From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com>
Subject: re:up to date now.
Didn't understand most of that message, but you can get the music books for
"Some Friendly" and "The Charlatans" from a shop in Denmark Street,London,
which I can't remember the name of, but I think it might be "Rose Morris".
Cud Rule. Asquarius is better than Showbiz.
JF
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:45:51 -0400
From: Jim Lowe <advantage3@netopia.net>
Subject: Re: up to date now.
>- the dylans - SPIRIT FINGER - ( anyone else know them? )
Yes, but their first album was far superior, though!
jim
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:07:14 PST
From: twisterella@juno.com (erin pham)
Subject: Re: up to date now.
On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:45:51 -0400 Jim Lowe <advantage3@netopia.net>
writes:
>>- the dylans - SPIRIT FINGER - ( anyone else know them? )
>
>Yes, but their first album was far superior, though!
>
>jim
Yay!! You mean The Dylans-The Dylans? Loved it!!!! loved it!!!! loved
it!!! :) didn't know anyone else knew who they were :)
cheers!!
Erin
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:08:15 -0400
From: Jim Lowe <advantage3@netopia.net>
Subject: Re: up to date now.
>Yay!! You mean The Dylans-The Dylans? Loved it!!!! loved it!!!! loved
>it!!! :) didn't know anyone else knew who they were :)
I've always been surprised that they didn't catch on...their first,
self-titled album is sort of a poppier "Some Friendly".
A really good band that everyone on the list should check out.
jim
---------------------------------
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:15:03 -0700
From: 6 <6@swcp.com>
Subject: Re: up to date now.
Jim Lowe wrote:
>
> >Yay!! You mean The Dylans-The Dylans? Loved it!!!! loved it!!!! loved
> >it!!! :) didn't know anyone else knew who they were :)
>
> I've always been surprised that they didn't catch on...their first,
> self-titled album is sort of a poppier "Some Friendly".
>
> A really good band that everyone on the list should check out.
Seems every few months we go though the, "cool bands everyone shoulda
heard of thing." Still wondering what became of a bunch of bands from
that time frame. Any one know what happened to the High or the Dylans
for example?
Don't think anything will ever compare again to 1989 when I found The
Charlatans, The High, the Dylans The Stone Roses, And Inspiral Carpets
all in the space of about a month. Sudenly there was music.
6
6@swcp.com
--------------------------------
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:46:27 PST
From: twisterella@juno.com (erin pham)
Subject: Re: up to date now.
On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:15:03 -0700 6 <6@swcp.com> writes:
>Don't think anything will ever compare again to 1989 when I found The
>Charlatans, The High, the Dylans The Stone Roses, And Inspiral Carpets
>all in the space of about a month. Sudenly there was music.
>
>6
>6@swcp.com
Don't forget Ride :)
cheers!!
Erin
-----------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:59:22 +0100
From: matthew@sar.dra.hmg.gb (Matthew Hayes)
Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs
When I said that I made a mistake... Obviously
I meant to say Swervedrivers Ejector Seat Reservation. Lola vs powerman
and the moneyground is by the kinks.
Fuck.
Whan an embarrasing mistake!
Apologies Mat
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:19:00 -0700
From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt)
Subject: Living, breathing, tinkling
Did anyone see Later with Jools Holland last Saturday? I was half expecting
it to be a new programme featuring the Charlies' new single, but seeing as
I hadn't watched any of the others in the programme, it came as a great
shock to realise that it was, in fact, a repeat.
Now, how did I know it was a repeat you ask? Well for starters they played
two old songs (Just Lookin', JWYTTO), but more importantly our saly
departed old keyboard-tinklin' mucker, Rob Collins, was happily pearched
behind his organ doing the biz.
For me at least this was a sad recollection of a fine musician and goes to
show what a tight unit the band were when playing live (although I still
reckon Tim's voce sounds destinctly weak live).
By the way, did anyone see The Charlatans at Knebworth yesterday? If so,
how did they sound, did they play much new stuff, and what was the boy's
general mood after the recent tragedy?
Just curious
Ryan
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:44:29 +1000 (EST)
From: Kate McCarthy <katemc@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: up to date now.
>- the dylans - SPIRIT FINGER - ( anyone else know them? )
The Dylans' "Mary Quant In Blue" had the coolest cover (which was why I
bought it on a whim) but was kinda crappy...
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