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The Charlatans Digest Volume 02 Issue 14
The Charlatans Digest Sat Jul 13, 1996 Volume 2 : Issue 14
There are 61 messages totalling 1399 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Happy birthday Eirik! (2)
2. Inspirals?Northside?Smith.
3. Tim alert!!
4. Charlatans on 120 (7)
5. Charlatans Stateside (5)
6. charlatans reception over here
7. fun fun fun (2)
8. T in the Park (2)
9. ANNOUNCE Chester Indie-Pop Zine (inc. Charltns article)
10. More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers
11. Tim is the Sky (magazine) and the maker
12. Charlatans in the Studio!!!
13. This Is Some Friendly
14. Ignore - just testing.
15. Maker? Compilations!!!!! (6)
16. Chords/tabs (9)
17. Chords/tabs/..it's oh so quiet..
18. tim and sarah duet
19. ****eden music fest**** (3)
20. Beggars Banquet? (3)
21. (Shaker) Maker article (4)
22. New Thread! (4)
23. Charlies vs. the Brothers (2)
24. The Third World
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:42:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Happy birthday Eirik!
On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Lyakov wrote:
> Happy Birthday, boy!
>
>
> Eirik, best wishes to you!
>
>
> Live it like you love it!
>
> "I can't even be bothered, energy breaks me down...."
>
> Krassi
Much respect for the lyric
Michael
"Most of the time you are happy, you're a weirdo"
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:40:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Happy birthday Eirik!
On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Trygve Gudmundsen wrote:
> The maintainer of this list; Eirik Gudmundsen, just turned 21 years
> thursday 13 june.
>
> Congratulations!!
Happy birthday, get me off this list
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:39:41 +0100 (BST)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Inspirals?Northside?Smith.
On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, deborah evans wrote:
> >So what does anyone think about Northside? Actually I thought (and still do)
> >think they're dead good, some stuff is better than the Inspirals. The
> >carpets should be strung up for making a record with that stupid arrogant
> >wanker Mark E. Smith.
>
> okay i thought morthside were great. i still do actually. they remind me
> of my youth. besides, they had some great bass lines in practically all
> their songs. and i never hated the inspiral carpets until the revenge of
> the goldfish album. their first two albums were not too bad at all.
Sorry but i think that you will find that Revenge of the goldfish is far
better than the melodramatic Beast inside. Although Life is still
brilliant!!!>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:37:21 +0100 (BST)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Tim alert!!
On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, H.Ismail wrote:
> Has everyone seen this weeks Melody Maker? It's got an article on Euro 96 asking
> several band members who they think will win, who thwy want to win, who should
> have been there etc. Well Tim's one of them. He reckons Holland will win which
> is cool because I agree!! Check it out.
Yeah Right
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Date: 20 Jun 1996 15:57:54 EDT
From: simpatico@daccess.net
Subject: Charlatans on 120
What was the name of the song the Charlatans performed live on 120
Minutes a couple of months ago when Tim and Jon hosted the show?
Amanda D.
KosherBacon@tmbg.org
www.Geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5578
p.s. Oh yeah, what the hell are tossers, shites, blooks, blokes, and
pedants? I swear, during the three weeks I have been on this list, I
have seen some of the weirdest fucking words.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Fraire <andyf@as.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Re: Charlatans on 120
i believe it was "Nine Acre Dust". Suprisingly I have that 120 videotaped.
-andy
(andyf@as.ucsb.edu)
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Date: 22 Jun 96 10:38:00 -0500
From: Travis_Saunders-R3278C@email.mot.com
Subject: Re[2]: Charlatans on 120
Message authorized by:
: andyf@as.ucsb.edu@INTERNET at #EMAIL
I thought it was toothache. But then again on the best of 120 or whatever the
fuck it was the Charlies did a different song than what I saw. So maybe I came
into the show late and missed the first set? How many songs did they play? I
only saw one, but then again....
Cheers
Travis
r3278c@email.mot.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Fraire <andyf@as.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Charlatans on 120
It actually was Toothache...Acre, Ache...same thing..
-andy
(andyf@as.ucsb.edu)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:24:29 GMT
From: "Andrew FAHEY" <PS94024@psyc.port.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Charlatans on 120
Hello all funky Americans and other people from not England who don't
understand us, especially you Amanda. There soon follows a short lesson
in English slang.
We don't get 120 Minutes over here. Sounds like a cool music show or
am I getting the wrong end of the stick?. Do you get the White Room or
Later over there?
Just how big are the Charlatan's in America? Do they chart much?
What size gigs are they playing?
A tosser is a wanker or some one who masturbates. Do you lot still
call it jocking off? There was a charachter in Mork and Mindy called
Mr Wanker, which many an English schoolboy used to find hillarious.
But then we grew up and got sensible.
To shite (pronounced shyte) is to do a shit. It also means the noun
shit and you can call someone a shite quite legitimately.
blook - i don't know what a blook is. A bloke is a geezer - a young man.
A pedant is a big word we don't use often and it is some one who is
pedantic.
So there you have it.-' Blimey guvnor, I met this bloke in the pub the
other day and he was a right tosser and no mistake' is perfect
English. Even the Queen talks like that
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 07:56:43 -0500
From: Shane and Kari Winn <kwinn@niu.edu>
Subject: Charlatans Stateside
Andrew FAHEY wrote:
> Just how big are the Charlatan's in America? Do they chart much?
> What size gigs are they playing?
The Charlatans aren't that big Stateside. I can't really recall the
last time I saw one of their albums go up on Billboard, but I have seen
their albums end up on the College Charts shortly after release.
Their gigs aren't that big either, usually playing smaller clubs, though
in Chicago they always sell out. The Charlatans have a VERY devoted
following over here!
Keep On Keepin' On,
Kari
PS: Thanks for the English Slang refresher!
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:55:04 -0700
From: erin pham <epham@easyaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Charlatans on 120
hehehehehehehe *:-D!! That was very informative :) I like your slangs
better than ours here in the US. I got a small lesson in English slang a
long time ago when Blur was doing an interview over here in the states. But
to clarify for ya, it's "jerking off", not "jocking off" ;)
But I got a question for ya. What is a "blimey"? I still have no clue.
Cheers!!
Erin
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 10:28:13 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" <CWALTON@sc9.intel.com>
Subject: RE: Charlatans Stateside
What's kind of funny is that the Charlatans were playing in much bigger
venues on their first couple of tours, than they are now. I saw them at
the Warfield here in San Fransisco in '91. They packed the place. If
anyones ever been to the warfield they'll understand.It's bigger than
the Fillmore where the Roses played last year. When the Charlies came
through on their last tour, they played at Slims, a tiny little club
for little bands. It was cool to see them up and close, but I was really
surprised.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 19:32:03 +0100 (BST)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Charlatans on 120
stoopid
They're insults in the UK
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov) (Krassi Lyakov)
Subject: Re: Charlatans Stateside
>Andrew FAHEY wrote:
>>
>> Just how big are the Charlatan's in America? Do they chart much?
>> What size gigs are they playing?
>
In San Diego the Charlatans aren't popular at all...I don't even think they
ever came down to play here...In LA they played a show last fall in front of
about 1,500+ people...the crowd loved them (of course) They don't get any
radio play (thank god!!!)
People are just not exposed to them, and that's why they don't have a
following. Everybody I've introduced to the groovy sound of the Charlatans
falls in love with them...One of my friends came with me to their show in LA
last fall and even though he had barely heard any of their material, was
completely blown away!!! Those of you who have seen them live, know what I'm
talking about...The Charlatans live = Heaven on Earth!
Peace!
Krassi
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:15:32 -0400
From: Anne Wong <anne.wong@utoronto.ca>
Subject: charlatans reception over here
just putting in some Canadian input here:
To Andrew,
(when you asked about America, were you talking about Canada too?
or are we completely foreign over there?
Anyways, when charlatans came here,
the venue was for only 700 if full, which i doubt would fill up to capacity,
and this was in toronto, the biggest city in Canada.
They have never charted here on the big time charts
Their biggest break was "The only one i know"
and that probably got on college charts,
but it got radio play on one of the bigger stations too.
The weirdo video is seen quite often on MuchMusic, our nation wide music channel
and i think only can't get out of bed and just lookin' got radio play.
I have only seen the latter video a few times.
They're still considered pretty small here
and i know when they came for an interview at an open radio store,
there were only a few dozen on hand to see them.
They don't cause no mob frenzy here.
On the subject of slang, the only ones aside from the usual swear words
that i use religiously are
wally--- no offense to any of you named this...
"You're such a wally!" (hilarious shrieking laughter following)
used when you want to describe somebody, it can be a substitute
for pretty much anything like stupid, loser...
dumbass--- "Shut up you dumbass"
just a personal favourite that i like to use b/c it can
work when you're really pissed off or just when you're teasing.
mother--- just stick it in front of anything for emphasis
"i've got a mother load of homework"
Anyways, can somebody tell me about the big ass festivals there?
Which is the ultimate and which ones have the charlatans played in?
I've read lots of stuff from magazines but is it that good?
conny
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 22:34:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: 5858@connectnet.com (jeff F)
Subject: Re: Charlatans Stateside
>>Andrew FAHEY wrote:
>>>
>>> Just how big are the Charlatan's in America? Do they chart much?
>>> What size gigs are they playing?
>>
>In San Diego the Charlatans aren't popular at all...I don't even think they
>ever came down to play here...In LA they played a show last fall in front of
>about 1,500+ people...the crowd loved them (of course) They don't get any
>radio play (thank god!!!)
>
>People are just not exposed to them, and that's why they don't have a
>following. Everybody I've introduced to the groovy sound of the Charlatans
>falls in love with them...One of my friends came with me to their show in LA
>last fall and even though he had barely heard any of their material, was
>completely blown away!!! Those of you who have seen them live, know what I'm
>talking about...The Charlatans live = Heaven on Earth!
>
>Peace!
>Krassi
they did play in sd, i got to see them at sdsu. about 1000 people maybe.
great show but some idiots were throwing stuff and moshing. tim got hit in
the face with a wet t-shirt and stormed off. cant say i blame him but it
was a real drag. i was supposed to meet them after the show but they were
really upset and didnt let anyone backstage. tehy played for about 1 1/2
hrs. i guess they had a few songs still to do. that was on the some
friendly tour. they also were supposed to be here for a festival show last
summer. they were on the tickets and the line-up cards but sadly were not
here. nobody announced why.
jeff
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 16:02:24 GMT
From: "Andrew FAHEY" <PS94024@psyc.port.ac.uk>
Subject: fun fun fun
This is is a cool mailing list.
to Erin -
Slang part two
Blimey is 'Cor Blimey' shortened, which means God Blind Me, which is
what you said in the middle ages or something because they hadn't
come up with fuck or shit or any of the lovely words we have today.
Anne - The only real ' big ass' festival here for years was
Glastonbury. It's only rivals were Donnington(which you don't want to
hear about) and maybe Reading.
Nowadays Reading is almost as good as Glasto', and we have a few new
ones like The Phoenix which is somewhere near Stratford, and T in the
Park in Scotland(Glasgow I think)
I got in to Glastonbury over the fence last summer, and it was the
best naughty thing I've ever done in my life. Of course the Charlatans were
there and they played a stormer on the NME stage. Other highlights
were Elastica, The Verve, The Bootleg Beatles and Dodgy(who have got
to be one of the best bands ever. Try and get hold of 'Homegrown'
or the new album, Free Peace Sweet ) Oasis were the head liners on the
Sunday, but they sucked to be honest. The weather was fantastic, and
I can't recomend it enough.
Feile in Cork in Ireland last July was cool too. That was in a
stadium, and everyone camped in a feild down the road. The Stone Roses
were what we went for, and they didn't let us down. That was probably
the last good gig they did before they split. I got a superb photo of
John when he came out in to the crowd one afternoon. No Charlatans
though.
The last time I saw the charlatans was in Southampton Guildhall last
winter. Nothing much to say really except that they were as tight and
absolutely divine as ever.
This is my last Email to the list for a few months, as I start
college hollidays tomorrow and I'm off home to London till October
So keep on keeping on till then everyone.
Andrew Fahey
Portsmouth University
England (for the cup)
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:09:04 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN <SPROSTON_GREEN@wow.com>
Subject: Reply to: fun fun fun
i saw the charlies play in dallas a few years ago to a capcity crowd at
the coca-cola star plex w/ pearl jam(yech) and the sugar cubes. i
personally thought they blew everyone off the stage it was an amazing set.
here in texas there following is tight but very sparse. i would love to
see them break in america and play in headlining spots. also does anybody
know about a video collection besides the some friendly video.....i have
the wierdo promo video w/ i dont wanna see the sights....but i want some
of there newer videos...plus more live footage........ive omly met a
couple of other charlies fans here in austin...id love to met more
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:50:44 +0000
From: Pam <9339221m@STUDENT.GLA.AC.UK>
Subject: T in the Park
Does anyone have any weekend or Sunday tickets for sale for T in the Park?
If so I would be delighted to hear from you.
Being a poor student I can't pay much more than the sale price but if
you can help e-mail me at 9339221m@student.gla.ac.uk
Cheers.
Soul saver kicks ass!
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:43:31 +0000
From: "Tats" <grahamr@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: T in the Park
Hiya Pam...are all the tickets sold out?
Tats
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:43:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert <dreicher@mustang.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Charlatans Stateside
At 07:56 21/06/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Andrew FAHEY wrote:
>>
>> Just how big are the Charlatan's in America? Do they chart much?
>> What size gigs are they playing?
>
>
>The Charlatans aren't that big Stateside. I can't really recall the
>last time I saw one of their albums go up on Billboard, but I have seen
>their albums end up on the College Charts shortly after release.
>
>Their gigs aren't that big either, usually playing smaller clubs, though
>in Chicago they always sell out. The Charlatans have a VERY devoted
>following over here!
>
>Keep On Keepin' On,
>Kari
>
>PS: Thanks for the English Slang refresher!
That's just too bad. Especially for Charlies fans here in Canada, of whom
there are many. Usually when non-North American bands can't make it in the
states but can still have popularity in Canada, they don't show up since
we're not a big enough market.
Kari, please intice Chicagoans (did I say that right?) to spread the word
around the U.S. so's that we Canucks can still see the Charlies live!
DAVE
BTW, long time no speak Kari, do write soon
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:49:20 +0000
From: "Caleb Rudd" <caleb@peg.apc.org>
Subject: ANNOUNCE Chester Indie-Pop Zine (inc. Charltns article)
. . . . . . . ANNOUNCING - CHESTER E-ZINE (UK INDIE POP) . . . . . .
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U.S. MIRROR http://www.darkshadow.com/chester
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .
BRIEF :
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Within this humble site you'll find articles, interviews, reviews (singles,
albums, live), competitions, tour info, a UK music column a bundle of links
and much more.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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=-=-=-
ISSUE 1.1 (June) includes
=-=-=-=-=-=-
Competitions Ash, Elastica, Underground Lovers, and Drop City singles;
-=-=-=-=-=-= Vital Brits compilation albums and Pulp paraphenalia all
up for grabs
=-=-=-=-=-
UK Column New Generation : A fortnightly News and views column about
=-=-=-=-=- the UK music scene.
=-=-=-=-=
Interviews Ash
=-=-=-=-=- Irish Punk-pop brats, Sydney Oct 95
Bandit Queen
Manchester power trio, Sydney Oct 95
Dodgy
Interview with Dodgy's affable guitarist
from August last year
Drop City (*includes sound bites)
Australian Pop merchants par excellence whose latest
album was produced by Andy (Boo Rads) Wilkenson
Mr. Blonde (*includes sound bites)
Sydney Heavy Popsters talk about life, mods and
other weird stuff
=-=-=-=-=
Articles Blur vs Oasis?
=-=-=-=-= Not what you think, more Blur vs Blur, Oasis vs
Oasis, trial by lyrics
The Charlatans
Just when you're thinkin it's over, they
came back, bigger and better
Lest We Forget
Looks at bands (Adorable, Verve, Ride, Cult & more)
that split up or took a break in 1995/96
Slowdive,Mojave3
A look at two extrodinary and often neglected bands
-=-=-=-=-
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=-=-=-=-= Gene, Oasis, Cast, Supergrass, Auteurs, Whipping
Boy, Spacehog, Verve, Bjork, Drop City & more
Singles
Ocean Colour Scene, Cast, Mr. Blonde, Bluetones
Shed Seven
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Blur, Billy Bragg, Smashing Pumpkins, Bjork
=-=-=-
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=-=-=- Zines
Record Labels
Web Sites
Clubs
Shops
and heaps more!
Cheers
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(WWW editor)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-CHESTER E-ZINE : UK INDIE POP=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=
U.S. http://www.darkshadow.com/chester
AUS http://www.darkshadow.com.au/chester
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:00:05 -0600 (MDT)
From: MILLER_MELANI_S <millmela@cwis.isu.edu>
Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers
At last i got "Nine acre dust" it was on a free tape with select(uk)
magazine that my mum sent me.... Its cool, the whole tape is cool, its
the Heavenly Social thing... anyway.. just wanted to say its ace...
btw, Is there anyone here who lives in Boise, ID, cos we're moving there
soon. :) Byeee... Phil... . . . . . . . .
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Date: 2 Jul 96 12:16:00 -0500
From: Travis_Saunders-R3278C@email.mot.com
Subject: Tim is the Sky (magazine) and the maker
Message authorized by:
: millmela@cwis.isu.edu@INTERNET at #EMAIL
Did anyone get me last message? about tim being quoted in Sky mag? he said
he'd get his kit off for 1 pound! had to laugh. Shouldn't there be a new
single out soon? I can not wait much longer. He was also in the maker a bit
back around euro 96. I don't have it here again so I can't transcribe it, but
i'll try to tomarrow.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:22:20 +0100 (BST)
From: UP THE POTTERS <sgubelmd@reading.ac.uk>
Subject: Charlatans in the Studio!!!
Does anyone know the name of the studio in Stone, Staffs, where the
Charlatans are recording new material?
I only live 3 miles away so I would not mind paying a visit.
Michael
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Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 07:57:50 -0500
From: Shane and Kari Winn <kwinn@niu.edu>
Subject: This Is Some Friendly
I was currently reading "Revolution In The Head : The Beatles' Records
and the Sixties" by Ian MacDonald when I ran across an interesting
little tidbit. Apparently, "Don't Pass Me By" off the album "The
Beatles" (White Album) was referred to "This Is Some Friendly" during
the early stages of recording.
Does anyone know if this had anything to do with the naming of the
Charlatans album "Some Friendly"; or was it named for an entirely
different reason?
Thanks!
Keep on keepin' on,
Kari
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:40:48 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN <SPROSTON_GREEN@wow.com>
Subject: Reply to: Ignore - just testing.
anybody know of an American tour after the new album comes out...
or when the album is gonna come out
list has been real quiet....wierd!
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Date: 8 Jul 96 10:44:00 -0500
From: Travis_Saunders-R3278C@email.mot.com
Subject: Maker? Compilations!!!!!
Message authorized by:
: SPROSTON_GREEN@wow.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL
Did everyone get me transcription of the maker then? Twas what tim put in
about euro 96, if nae I'll repost it. Also keep an eye out, the Charlies
are on a lot of comps that are coming out. NME singles Brits an Bullets are
just 2 of a couple that I saw at the hmv here in Tokyo on sun.
Cheers
Travis
Long gone
r3278c@email.mot.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:09:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: 5858@connectnet.com (jeff F)
Subject: Re: Maker? Compilations!!!!!
hi travis
do you know if these compilations have unreleased tracks and if so, what
are they and what are the albums called. thanks a lot
jeff
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Date: 9 Jul 96 12:36:00 -0500
From: Travis_Saunders-R3278C@email.mot.com
Subject: Re[2]: Maker? Compilations!!!!!
Message authorized by: : 5858@connectnet.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL
no I don't ken, but the ones I saw were Basically the same things we have all
seen so far. One had the 'sis Don't look back in Anger AND the charlies the
only one I know on it. Strange to go back that far for the Charlies on a
recent comp isn't it? The NME one had Just when yer thinkin.....I think on
it. I didn't see anything new or I would've got it, ken? Where is everyone?
I think I just saw a "cyber-" tumbleweed roll past.
Cheers
Travis
I want candy!
r3278c@email.mot.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:25:45 -0700
From: jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca (Jen Howe)
Subject: Chords/tabs
Hello, hello, hello, hello! (That was supposed to be an echo effect, BTW).
Does everyone have broken fingers, or what?
Anyways, I have a mission. *I need to know where to find chords and/or
tabs of any of the Charlie's songs*
Oh, and I'm going to my music shop tomorrow to pick up Between 10th and
11th which they had to special order for me (great city, I know). Anyways,
I'll let you all know how I like it and maybe I'll even start a thread!
Jen
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Date: 9 Jul 96 16:24:00 -0500
From: Travis_Saunders-R3278C@email.mot.com
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs
Message authorized by:jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca@INTERNET at #EMAIL
I doubt yer could start a thread on this list now, luv. The way it looks tis
just the 2 of us. Hiro chan genki kai? Maybe 3, ken? DID EVERYONE GET THE
MELODY MAKER ARTICLE? ANSWER US OR I'LL POST IT AGAIN like a bad plague, ken?
Cheers
Travis
You have to put the death in everything
r3278c@email.mot.com
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:53:28 JST
From: r_smith@Koyosha.CO.JP (hiroko takeda)
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs
I'm fine and maybe this list gonna busy when the charlies at work.
---- hiro -----
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:27:34 GMT
From: *suedette* <cowens@compusmart.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs
At 21:25 08/07/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Oh, and I'm going to my music shop tomorrow to pick up Between 10th and
>11th which they had to special order for me (great city, I know). Anyways,
>I'll let you all know how I like it and maybe I'll even start a thread!
Hey Jen- my sympathies for your dwellings......... I can relate
*s*
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:44:07 +0930 (GMT+0930)
From: "P.D" <9408427b@ntx.City.UniSA.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs
> Hey Jen- my sympathies for your dwellings......... I can relate
At least you don't live down under!!!!
Peter D.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:51:36 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs/..it's oh so quiet..
Hi all (you three :)!
I am here too, but I don't read the mails as much as usual when I'm home
on vacation. I guess there's a lot of people that are away for the
summer, and that may explain the weirdiness.
As for the chords, I've got some chords, actually all the chords for Some
Friendly (which is a notebook officially released). I've also got the
chords for Can't Get Out Of Bed. I don't know when, but I will try to put
the chords on my homepage right after the vacation. As for my homepage
now (I'm talking about the Charlatans' BackRoomWindow), will proably be
down soon for the summer. The faculty I study at is cleaning all the
user's files to get space for new student users. The old version of the
page is up all the summer at
http://www.stud2.misjonshs.no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
And, Travis, I did see the NME input you sendt, thanks. Boku mo genki
desu yo!
Dja mata ne
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:59:50 EST5EDT
From: "jim lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Maker? Compilations!!!!!
> seen so far. One had the 'sis Don't look back in Anger AND the charlies the
> only one I know on it. Strange to go back that far for the Charlies on a recent
> comp isn't it? The NME one had Just when yer thinkin.....I think on it. I
> didn't see anything new or I would've got it, ken? Where is everyone? I think
> I just saw a "cyber-" tumbleweed roll past.
"The Only One I Know" is also on the recent CFNY "Spirit of the
Edge-2" compilation CD and has been getting frequent airplay in
recent weeks here in Canada.
jim lowe - jlowe@central.georcoll.on.ca
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:43:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: evans david ashley <da-evans@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Maker? Compilations!!!!!
Hi everybody. This first question is to jim lowe, what else is on that cfny
disk? I'm from buffalo (and in school in illiois this summer) and am thinking
about heading up to toronto for a day, I want to know if I should go hunting
for it (althought it probably won't be that hard). for those of you who don't
know toronto is the hippest city in the world, and I've been to quite a few.
Lots of good music, and although cfny has slipped a little the past two
years (ie, played metallica) it is still the best radio station I have
ever laid my ears on. I suffered huge in undergrad with cleveland radio
and now, lets just say the midwest of the us is...well... fucking awful.
btw, I've learned much on this list, and it is good to see other large
charlatans fans out there. I'm really surprised they haven't caught on
more. I also kinda felt obligated to write something when I read so many
people writing "where is everyone?". I also have another general
question, has anyone ever seen the "i don't want to see the sights" cd
single? I saw it in germany and as I recall it had 3 versions of the
song. I had few marks with me (and I figured I be able to at least find
it in toronto) but I passed up on it for the weirdo single. It has much
the same package art that weirdo has, same style. But I've yet to see it
on anyone's discography. Was I dreaming? can anyone help me out? And if
they can, did I totally screw up by not picking it up?
dave
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:31:37 -0400
From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: tim and sarah duet
okay here is a suggestion for all the charlatans fans. pick up a copy of
st. etienne's tiger bay album and there is tim burgess and sarah cracknell
doing a duet. the song is called "i was born on christmas day" and if you
are lucky enough there are still copies of the actual single floating around
(just in case you have no interest in the st. etienne album although it is
pretty damn good like all the other etienne stuff). it was recorded during
the time tim and sarah were dating, thus, that big photo spread in either mm
or nme with a mock up of a wedding for the two of them.
i highly recommend it to all.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:41:16 -0400
From: Rainbow507@aol.com
Subject: Re: ****eden music fest****
So i guess this isn't so much about the Charlatans but music in Toronto. Is
anyone else going to eden fest and if so, does anyone know who the surprise
guests will be? i can't wait to see the Cure there and i wish the Charlatans
were playing there! --Rainbow.
---------------------------------
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:05:48 -0400
From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: ****eden music fest****
>So i guess this isn't so much about the Charlatans but music in Toronto. Is
>anyone else going to eden fest and if so, does anyone know who the surprise
>guests will be? i can't wait to see the Cure there and i wish the Charlatans
>were playing there! --Rainbow.
yeah, eden music fest might have more of a draw if there were one day
tickets. i mean bloody hell what kind of a music festival only sells
tickets for the whole damn weekend at a ridiculously price. am i the only
one who thinks over $130 is a bit much? especially since i'd only want to
see the cure, and possibly shed seven. north america has a thing or two to
learn about putting on musical festivals that can even come close to the
european ones. can anyone imagine reading or pheonix not selling one day
tickets. let's just say the organizers of eden fest lost a lot of bussiness
by not selling one day passes.
although, all this could be pointless since my friend told me she'd heard
that this policy was changed shortly after tickets went on sale. but, by
then i was so annoyed i couldn't careless.
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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 16:27:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS <GJNQVBB@GROVE.IUP.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs
Make that 4...
Lookin' pretty busy on this here list...
I was just added to the list today, so don't blame me...
A question: what is the (strange) relationship between the Charlies and the
Chemical Brothers all about? I know that Tim was on "Exit Planet Dusk"
and I heard a Chem. Bros. remix of Nine acre court, and they were both pretty
nifty...Are there any other collaborations? (I'm sorry if this topic has
already been covered. As I said, I'm new to the list)
just wondering, dan
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:28:49 GMT
From: *suedette* <cowens@compusmart.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Maker? Compilations!!!!!
At 11:43 09/07/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Hi everybody. This first question is to jim lowe, what else is on that cfny
>disk?
>dave
Hey- ummmm..... The disk is a sampler of sorts: tracks are "Bela Lugosi's
Dead"-bauhaus, "Let's go"-New order, "Laid"-james, "step on"-H.Mondays,
"Wave of mulitaltion"-pixies, "The. ??? mr. lovegrove"- Deadcandance, "How
soon is now"- Quicksand, "there she goes"-the La's, "Love will tear us
apart"- Joy Division, "Spirit of radio"- Catherine Wheel.
*s*
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:29:51 -0400
From: Rainbow507@aol.com
Subject: Re: ****eden music fest****
i was pretty mad that tickets were so much because i promised myself i'd pay
anything to see the cure. But now i feel that my money was better spent
because i am also excited to see shed 7 and the catherine wheel there.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:46:07 +0200 (MET DST)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Beggars Banquet?
'lo all!
Was just wondering if Beggars Banquet is on the net somewhere? Anyone know?
If not, does anyone have their phone and fax-number? I need to get in touch
with them.
I also wanted to ask if someone knows what promoter the band is using,
and how one can get in touch with them?
Thanks in advance!
//Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 08:46:18 JST
From: r_smith@Koyosha.CO.JP (hiroko takeda)
Subject: Re: Beggars Banquet?
>Was just wondering if Beggars Banquet is on the net somewhere?
yes, Beggars Banquet is on the net, they have e-mail address but I forget it....
>I also wanted to ask if someone knows what promoter the band is using,
it's SMJ. maybe you can find in MM or NME gig add. page.
some band add say "SMJ present....", I think.
---- hiro -----
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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 22:30:09 -0400
From: Rick Roubos <roubos@netinc.ca>
Subject: Re: Beggars Banquet?
If you want to see the Beggar's Banquet sight...don't bother. It is
absolute crap! No useful information at all. (unless you like jewel, or
june, something (I'd like to be more blunt about this artist but I'm
being polite (new year's resolution!))
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:57:12 -0400
From: ShamanBart@aol.com
Subject: RE: (Shaker) Maker article
Yo, Travis--I didn't get that Mellow Maker article you posted. I can't
explain it. Please resend.
I'm interested in the titles of some compliations mentioned where the
Charlatans have contributed. I've got the Select tape with Nine Acre
Court remix--it grooves.
If anyone knows any other comps beside the Spirit deal, cough up the goods.
Also if traffic here slows to a crawl, I have more "Dirty Laundry" to send
(if anyone cares or not) having to do with the Posies show here at First Ave.
in Mpls. It rocked! The album is harder than Frosting on the Beater but has
plenty of cool typical Posies melodies, however its better if you re-
sequence the tracks.
Any news on the JTQ new release???? I don't know if these guys influenced
the Charlatans or no, but I'm inclined to think so. I read one great review
of the new LP in Vox or someplace.
one of these days you'll feel the sound of speed---------------------! later
mucho
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:12:44 -0700
From: jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca (Jen Howe)
Subject: New Thread!
>I doubt yer could start a thread on this list now, luv.
Ha, ha! I'm going to defy you my dear Travis, and I'll even do it without
death references.
So, I finally bought/listened to Between 10th and 11th today. What can I
possibly say? It is an absolutely amazing album!! I cannot believe what I
was missing out on. It just puts you in this crazy, fun, happy kind of
mood. Can't Even be Bothered is a truly excellent song. To me, it's
almost anthemic in a way. I mean "Can't even be bothered, energy breaks me
down." How true is that?
This album is definitely different from their most recent release. The
songs on the more recent one seem almost mellower (in general) and seem to
incorporate much more of an acoustic sound, whereas B10th&11th is much more
electronic in nature. But there is no sound in the world more pleasing
than a hammond organ. Wouldn't you all agree? It just kind of opens your
mind to an entirely different sound then you're used to. Very trippy.
Once again, the lovely Tim Burgess has dazzled me with his oh-so-sweet
vocals. Never a harsh note. Just a truly mesmerizing voice.
I would have to say that B10th&11th is possibly my favourite of the 4
albums. Absolutely brilliant piece of work which will only sound better
with time. My love for the Charlatans has definitely been moved to a
deeper level and I couldn't be happier :)
Jen
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Date: 10 Jul 96 16:43:00 -0500
From: Travis_Saunders-R3278C@email.mot.com
Subject: Re[2]: (Shaker) Maker article
Message authorized by: : ShamanBart@aol.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL
the maker June 15, 1996
Hi all. I ken this is late in the transcription, but i also ken that there are
some out there that as of yet have not seen this, soooo..
SCORE BLIMEY!
Tim Burgess (the Charlies)(horraaaaay)
1. favourite club?
MAN UTD.
2. your national team?
England
3. Favourite current footballer and why?
Eric Cantona-because he's a poet.
4. Favourite footballer of all time and why?
Mario Kempas, because he looked like a yeti, and Roberto Rivelino, because he
smoked a 100 cigs a day
5. Gacoigne-Genius or prick?
Prick-he's got no cool
6. Who is the most shameful omisson from Euro '96?
Steve Bruce
7. Tips for Euro '96?
Holland
8.Runners-ip?
Italy
9. Where do you predict England will finish?
Third
10. Predict the score between England and Scotland:
One-all
11. Any other comments?
Do it now!
Well that's all I guess. Anybody buy the new t in the park double cd yet?
Does it have the Charlies on it?
Finally somebody fuckin said they did not recieve it, I kent the address was
wrong fer everybody.
I'm interested in the titles of some compliations mentioned where the
Charlatans have contributed.
Brits-n-bullets
The best-- something her I can't remember (album-mix tape-compilation)--in the
world
NME best singles
can't remember the rest, ken?
Spirit deal, cough up the goods.
Wha's Spirit deal?
Cheers
Trav
cos I don't run from love from anyone
r3278c@email.mot.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:01:55 GMT
From: *suedette* <cowens@compusmart.ab.ca>
Subject: RE: (Shaker) Maker article
At 23:57 09/07/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm interested in the titles of some compliations mentioned where the
>Charlatans have contributed. I've got the Select tape with Nine Acre Court
>remix--it grooves. If anyone knows any other comps beside the Spirit deal,
>cough up the goods.
Ummm.... HMV had a sampler called "Free at Last2" that was released in 92,
it has 'Tremolo Song' on it. If you are looking for them on a compilation,
try the Volume CD series, they produce stellar CD's with books and stuff,
and focus on British/indie bands.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:00:27 +0930 (GMT+0930)
From: "P.D" <9408427b@ntx.City.UniSA.edu.au>
Subject: RE: (Shaker) Maker article
I LOVE CHARLIES.....
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:18:14 -0400
From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: New Thread!
jen,
you should now make it your mission to locate a copy of the "over rising"
ep. i believe it hasn't been deleted, but if it has it still randomly pops
up at used shops.
deborah
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:12:10 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs
Hi!
I just want to make an input on some of the subjects.
The Charlatans VS The Chemical brothers contains 4 tracks. Three of them
are different versions of Toothache which have also appeared on the vinyl
version of their latest album as well as on the b side of the Just When
You're Thinking Things Over CD single. The fourth track is the brilliant
Nine Acre Dust which I understood was on the recent Select compilation
tape. The Chemical Brothers also mixed Patrol and Feel Flows from Up Tp
Our Hips. Then they were called The Dust Brothers. You can find the mixes
on the Jesus Hairdo singles. The 12 inch includes different mixes than on
the CD version. There is likely to be more collaborations.
The Don't Want To See The Sights Cd single was an american promo only
release (at least I think it was promo and not an ordinary release). It
contains some different versions of the same track, but isn't too
different. There is an edit, and then there's the alternate take version
of the track. If you've heard the diference between Tremelo Song on the
album and on the single, that's how different the versions of Don't Want
To See The Sights are. If you can't find it on my discography
(http://www.ifi.uio.no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html), you will surely find it
on Sally's discography (you can browse from my page, just go to the links
& misc page). She's got a picture of the cover as well.
OK keep on lovin' them!
-------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:34:39 EST5EDT
From: "jim lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: New Thread!
> you should now make it your mission to locate a copy of the "over rising"
> ep. i believe it hasn't been deleted, but if it has it still randomly pops
> up at used shops.
It actually isn't too hard to find, as it was released in both the UK and
North America.
jim lowe - jlowe@central.georcoll.on.ca
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:52:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: evans david ashley <da-evans@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs
Eirik, thanks for dropping the knowledge, I don't feel so bad about not
picking it up now, I have the tremelo-double cd and yeah, not much
different, although owning the live chewing gum weekend is so worht
owning it! The chalatans vs. cd is
definitely worth the pick-up. As are the jesus hairdo singles, if you can
still find them (one has live stuff on it, the other remixes), for those
that aren't aware.
As far as the beastie boys influence, I being a huge fan of both bands,
can't wait for the charlatans next album. Tim Burgess was quoted as
saying that he had been listening to a lot of b-boys (I probably read
that on one of Eiriks page connections). If the influence makes it into
the album, it will either be ehn or Jesus, i'm counting on
Jesus. I hope the influence does come through, especially on the beats.
And, maybe people already know this but, the Dust Brothers who produced
the beastie boys' Paul's Boutique are not the same as the Chemical Bros.
They are the reason the Chemical Brothers had to changge their name. If
anyone gives a shit.
ok, and one other thing, I want to hear people's first time listening to
the charlatans, from people I know who are fans it was a memorable
experience. I'd like to put in mine, but its a little personal so I want
to see if others open up.
uh yeah, one other album question (can't you tell this shits been heavy
on my mind?) does anyone have the live bootleg from, I believe, the 10th
and 11th tour? I think it was on KTS (kiss the stone) another one I saw
in Germany that I had no money for (at like this street market in Berlin,
it was cool). I have the one from the tour stop in Italy, the one with
the shitty sound quality. Hot LIcks. nice name. I was actually afraid of
seeing them in concert
after that because I would've thought it was a shitty show (but the times
I've seen them they've been outstanding! thinking just a little short on the
playlist myself, I think someone said they decided they'd have to sing me
in time by themselves, I feel that way about happen to die, chewing gum
weekend and i don't want to see..) Well, any info would be appreciated.
d
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Date: 10 Jul 1996 14:05:52 EDT
From: simpatico@daccess.net
Subject: Charlies vs. the Brothers
>The Charlatans VS The Chemical brothers contains 4 tracks. Three of them
Where the heck can one find this? I have been looking all month. First,
I tried to get it ordered at my favorite indie record shop, no luck. I
tried getting it ordered from the cd department at Barnes and Noble,
again, no luck. I went to every decent record store in the entire city
and still people have never heard of it/didn't have it/couldn't order
it. Is it on import or something?
Amanda D.
KosherBacon@tmbg.org
www.Geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5578
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:53:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: evans david ashley <da-evans@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: New Thread!
I agree with jim, I have it both on tape and cd and I've seen it even in
buffalo used.
d
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:18:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: evans david ashley <da-evans@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Charlies vs. the Brothers
I got it in a little shit store in champaign-urbana (read:middle of
fucking nowhere) about 4-5 months ago. It shouldn't be too tough to find.
I'm sure one of us can give a upc number, I know that helps when I get
stuff ordered. It is definitely not an import. I only paid 5 for it.
d
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:32:59 +0100
From: frazer howard <fhoward@in109.brann.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Chords/tabs
OK- chemical bros & the charlatans....off the top of my head there's
been about half a dozen collaborations: les chems remixed toothache
and called it chemical risk. that's on the vinyl uk version of "The
Charlatans" and a b-side of,erm....just when you're thinkin'.... I
think. What else...there's a remix of Patrol on another single
("crashin' in" ?) and a remix of nine acre court around called Nine
Acre Dust - that turned up on a recent thing called The Chemical Bros
Live at the Heavenly Social and that tape that came free with Select
magazine. Plus Tim turmed up on Life is Sweet and both bands
collaborated on a version of Sly Stone's Time for Livin' on the Bosnia
War Child Help album thing. Which is excellent. And Tim's voice sounds
dead rough on it near the end.
I've seen a 12inch thing around called The Charlatans vs The Chemical
Bros but don't know what's on it. I s'pose it's everything they've
done together so far.
Oh, if only the chemical bros would produce a whole damn album....
The bands seem to have got together after discovering their mutual
respect for the Beastie Boys. And that's all I know...
oh, hi, by the way. My name's Frazer. I'm new to the list and live in
Cheltenham, Uk.
bye....
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:47:07 +0200 (MET DST)
From: exeid001@sarenet.es (Ander Velasco)
Subject: The Third World
Hi everybody,
My name's Ander, I'm new on the list and I'm an old time Charlies' fan
(though they will never take on the Roses' place in my heart). The thing is,
I live in a town called Bilbao, Basque Country, and sometimes I think I live
in the Third World. Why?? I'm reading in your messages you can buy so many
Madchester and Britpop CDs, compilations and stuff like that and the only
thing I can do is feel jealous (I think that's the best way to express what
I feel?. Lately, you are talking 'bout some new NME compilation with the
Charlies on it. OK, so I went to this foreign press library and bought the
latest NME they had. THERE'S NO TAPE NOR CD WITH IT!! It's the 22nd June
issue (with Electronic on the cover) so I'm not really sure I got the latest
number. Could you please help me out??
By the way, The Only One I Know deserves the right to be on each and every
groovy music compilation as it's one of the best dance songs we will ever
have the chance to listen to.
"I am the Resurrection, and I am the Life."
Love.
Ander.
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