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The Charlatans Digest Volume 02 Issue 03
The Charlatans Digest Sat Feb 24, 1996 Volume 2 : Issue 03
There are 71 messages totalling 1331 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. First Shag? (11)
2. 1st Shag....
3. tunes, etc.
4. getting off the list.
5. cynical comparison (15)
6. forever blow-up!
7. Charlies on the Roses
8. ride/charlatans (4)
9. critical acclaim
10. BackRoomWindow (5)
11. Boots (4)
12. APOLOGY
13. Salt tour of the US
14. inquiring minds want to know... (10)
15. quiet time (2)
16. My new web page!
17. life is....video (9)
18. Bombscare/Charlatans in the pub.
19. Just When You're Thinkin Things Over - single
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 23:47:09 -0500
From: Munj@aol.com
Subject: Re: First Shag?
Fuck you, vinyl is cool but CD's are better. How do you know that I don't
collect vinyl and 8-tracks too you flamer. Learn English, and give me an
answer to what the CD actually contains.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 23:54:46 -0500
From: Munj@aol.com
Subject: Re: First Shag?
It is NOT the American Charlatans, the album is on Beggar's Banquet. I
checked before I wrote the original email.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:33:24 +0000
From: James D McAllister <ceejdm1@cee.hw.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: First Shag?
so?
At 23:54 25/01/96 -0500, you wrote:
>It is NOT the American Charlatans, the album is on Beggar's Banquet. I
>checked before I wrote the original email.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Benda <bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us>
Subject: Re; 1st Shag....
Well, I was surprised to see it listed in the CDnow catalogue,
too so I bought it and a week later it was delivered to my house and it's
just the new album, which I already had. I think what must have happened
was that the stupid high-schoolers who work at the big factory were
probably scanning new shit into the databanks and part of their demanding
and challenging job description has them type in the "title" of the CD
and since the new one is eponymously titled, some dork called it "The
Charlatans (First Shag...) because minions could care less about the
truth of anything in today's society, shit, he was probably listening to
silverchair on his new, big bass, big padded headphones and thinking he
was down with the dope shit...
I've had this problem before with CDnow: waiting ages for a live
in Toyko Stone Roses only to be told THREE MONTHS LATER that it had been
out of print for a year or so. There's also a listing for an item called
"Charlatans + 2" which I bet is the "Can't get out of bed" b/w "Out" and
"Withdrawn". I tried to email the manager@cdnow.com and ask him but he
said that their goods come from four different warehouses and they're
constantly trying to update and can't access "esoteric" info like that.
Sounds like walking into any Tower records...
Going to see Blur tonight here in Seattle at Club MOE. Unfortunately the
Rentals are opening. Why do they do this to us?...
Jason
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:32:46 +0000
From: James D McAllister <ceejdm1@cee.hw.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: First Shag?
and?
At 23:47 25/01/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Fuck you, vinyl is cool but CD's are better. How do you know that I don't
>collect vinyl and 8-tracks too you flamer. Learn English, and give me an
>answer to what the CD actually contains.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:39:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: Re: First Shag?
What is going on around here? I come back from break and everyone
is jumping down everyone else's throat. I experienced this on another
list and it just got worse and worse. The fact of the matter is everyone
here likes the Charlatans and while some of us may be more diehard
brit fans than others we'll just have to deal with those that aren't. In
any case
if someone has a problem with someone else on the list can you take care of it
through personal email or just try to be civil about it?
"Just When You're Thinking Things Over".....
Cheers
Nicole
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:03:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: First Shag?
People think that on the Internet, it's okay to go around being uncivil,
rude, mean, nasty, etc. to whoever they feel like, whenever they feel
like. It's disgusting and wrong, but if it's so necessary then yes, it
should be done through private e-mail.
The Internet can be a very hostile place, sadly.
Justin
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:18:01 -0500
From: Munj@aol.com
Subject: Re: First Shag?
You wrote:
"Hey, please remember that this is a mailing list. Can you keep stuff
like this confined to personal e-mail?? Thank you."
Sorry about that, I thought that I had replied personally and not to the
entire list. Bad form on my part, I know everyone else had no need to see
that and I apologize. This whole thing started out as a simple question
about a CD on the WWW at CDNow (http://cdnow.com). I just wanted to know if
anyone had ever heard of the CD "First Shag", which I assume is by the
Charlatans UK because it is on Beggar's Banquet. I've never seen or heard
about it on any of the Charlie's discographies that I've seen. Anyways,
things got a bit out of control and I'm sorry, hopefully the whole mailing
list will forget about this and get back to the Charlies!
Matt
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 05:01:55 -0500 (EST)
From: cstein@sava.gulfnet.com (Chris Steinmetz)
Subject: tunes, etc.
Anybody out there feel that Stir It Up was just a track waiting to be made a
single all its own?
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 05:09:02 -0500 (EST)
From: cstein@sava.gulfnet.com (Chris Steinmetz)
Subject: Re: First Shag?
Wait a minute!! What the funk is going on? Who's jumpin' down who's
throat? Everyone has seemed to be fairly cool to one another........
"And I don't remember the way it used to be......"
CStein
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:27:49 -0500 (EST)
From: rvm <rvanmil@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: getting off the list.
can someone PLEASE tell me who to write to to get off the list.
i'm not in school anymore and i'm getting billions of messages when i
come back for a weekend!
thanks!
rvm
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:28:01 GMT
From: campbell colin <ccampbel@geology.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: First Shag?
you know those big 12" black shiny things record shops are named after
well people used to scratch written messages on the lead out track on the
vinyl next to the label in the middle. So if you look on the unused bit
after the last song on each side there being four you will read the code
number of the record thus telling you whether the record is an original
pressing or a rerelease as with the stone roses first four singles. now
appearing in shops being sold as originals. Anyway the charlatans tha
charlatans album say "first shag in ages" does this make any sense to
anyone or what?
col
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:19:07 GMT
From: David Calder <STYLD1C@stn1.agric.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: First Shag?
> you know those big 12" black shiny things record shops are named after
> well people used to scratch written messages on the lead out track on the
> vinyl next to the label in the middle. So if you look on the unused bit
> after the last song on each side there being four you will read the code
> number of the record thus tellingsay "first shag in ages"
> does this make any sense to anyone or what?
Just about. I take it that you mean that the first vinyl pressings of "The
Charlatans" have 'first shag in ages' written between the leadout groove.
David.
ps Reduce the width of your page to about 75 characters and then we can
see all of your messages. I'm not being pokey or anything but a bit more
punctuation would help! :)
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Benda <bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us>
Subject: cynical comparison
Anyone ever notice how the B-side "Your Skies Are Mine" from the
"Just When You're..." single is a stab in jest at the Stone Rose's "Your
Star will Shine"? Very similar in structure. And then there's "Frinck",
which reminds me of what the Beastie Boys could do if they had a B-3 or a
Wurlitzer.
ps. Why didn't they just call it "First Fuck"? Duh..............
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:17:14 -0500
From: jim lowe <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
> poke fun at the Stone Roses, since Tim's favorite band is the Stone Roses
Tim's favourite band is Black Sabbath.
He is also a huge Sly & the Family Stone fan.
jim
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:33:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
> What do you think of the cover of "Time For Living"?
Sadly, I've not heard the original! All I have of Sly is an anthology
sort of compilation thing, and "Time for Living" isn't on it. I do LOVE
the cover version though!!
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:12:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
I haven't heard the song, but it would seem strange for the Charlatans to
poke fun at the Stone Roses, since Tim's favorite band is the Stone Roses
(or at least he said so in an interview). Then again, I guess you can
poke fun at your friends.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:27:46 -0500
From: jim lowe <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
> Hmmm...okay, but I read in an interview (probably October) that it was
> the Stone Roses. Where did you hear about Black Sabbath?
Straight from the horse's mouth. Actually, it caused a rather funny
situation. When they appeared on MuchMusic in October, Tim was
asked if there was a certain video that he wanted to see (before
the show)...he immediatly answered "anything by Black Sabbath".
Because they were appearing on "The Wedge", which is MuchMusic's
daily "alternative" (whatever the hell that is) show, they wouldn't play
it for the poor guy. :-(
I've also noticed it mentioned in the odd interview.
> I like Sly & the Family Stone too. Funky.
What do you think of the cover of "Time For Living"?
jim
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:22:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, jim lowe wrote:
> > poke fun at the Stone Roses, since Tim's favorite band is the Stone
> Roses
>
> Tim's favourite band is Black Sabbath.
> He is also a huge Sly & the Family Stone fan.
Hmmm...okay, but I read in an interview (probably October) that it was
the Stone Roses. Where did you hear about Black Sabbath?
I like Sly & the Family Stone too. Funky.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:43:11 GMT
From: campbell colin <ccampbel@geology.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
i dont understand what your getting at my friend
could you enlighten me perhaps?
col
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:25:15 GMT
From: campbell colin <ccampbel@geology.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
doesnt have the same ring to it does it though
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:39:05 -0500
From: jim lowe <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: First Shag?
> no
Colin,
You're probably new to mailing lists but, please, stop sending one
sentence, or one word, messages to the list.
1) When you just say "no" with nothing quoted, nobody has any idea
what you're talking about.
2) We really don't care. If you're going to send a message to 100
people, make sure it has a point...if you just want to say "I agree" or
something like that, then send it PRIVATELY to the individual who sent
the first message, not the rest of us.
jim
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:55:39 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
i heard killing joke and new order BUT not the STONE ROSES????? are you sure?
and black sabbath?
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:15:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
Yes, well, I read in the interview that was featured in Addicted to Noise
(I think it was around October) that it's the Stone Roses. Tim said it.
But heck, the next month it could have been Black Sabbath, no problem!
What, is liking the Stone Roses as your favorite band bad? I
particularly thought it took guts to say that, because hardly any band
these days would have the honesty to admit that one of their
contemporaries (oh my gosh!) was their favorite! There's way too much
competition and mud-slinging, especially with Oasis and Blur and all
that. No good.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:55:03 -0500
From: zinha@idirect.com
Subject: forever blow-up!
greetings
because of the success of this past Saturdays Blow-up,
it shall now become a regular night at the Gallery Loft.
It is happening this Saturday opening doors at 8pm as
usual with the regular Dj's as well, Chris (from Admiral),
Davey Love...
It's a fun night! If you want to be on a mailing list for
info, times, locations, write Tim at republic@interlog.com
or myself at zinha@idirect.com.
Take care
see y'all there Sat
what di you think Robyn, Eric?
Teresinha
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 04:17:17 -0500 (EST)
From: cstein@sava.gulfnet.com (Chris Steinmetz)
Subject: Charlies on the Roses
Check out the NME and MM reviews of the Roses performance at the Fiele Fest
in August, and the reviews of the Roses' Sheffield and Wembley gigs.
Therein, one or more of the reviews or accompanying articles (in between the
times where the reviewers are conveying how hip _they_ are), reference is
made to the appearance of Tim and other Charlies backstage or in a bar with
the Roses. Long and short of it - Charlies and Roses have long been mutual
admirers, with the Charlies more overt about it. So, for Tim to say that
the Roses were/are his tops is no stretch, but likely the case. However,
recent articles (last 6 months) have shown Tim taking the keen interest in
Sly and other artists of a more, traditional and classic flavor.
Cheers, Chris
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 03:58:11 -0500
From: jim lowe <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
> What, is liking the Stone Roses as your favorite band bad? I
No...the Stone Roses released one of the greatest albums ever; Tim
has very good taste indeed!
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned Ride in this discussion...Tim &
Rob have always been Ride fans and the two groups have toured
Europe together. They are good friends with Andy Bell, as well.
jim
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:19:20 -0500 (EST)
From: kclair@sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair)
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
jim lowe wrote:
> > What, is liking the Stone Roses as your favorite band bad? I
>
> No...the Stone Roses released one of the greatest albums ever; Tim
> has very good taste indeed!
>
> I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned Ride in this discussion...Tim &
> Rob have always been Ride fans and the two groups have toured
> Europe together. They are good friends with Andy Bell, as well.
hasn't Ride broken up? Supposedly mark gardener is going to release solo
material. does anyone know the plans of the rest of the members of the band?
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:32:12 -0500
From: jim lowe <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
> hasn't Ride broken up? Supposedly mark gardener is going to release solo
> material. does anyone know the plans of the rest of the members of the band?
The rest of the band is going to reform under a new name.
The final Ride album, "Tarantula" will be released next month.
jim
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:35:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Benda <bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, jim lowe wrote:
>>hasn't Ride broken up? Supposedly mark gardener is going to release solo
>>material. does anyone know the plans of the rest of the members of the band?
>
>The rest of the band is going to reform under a new name.
>The final Ride album, "Tarantula" will be released next month.
Ride has called it quits, in Gardner's words, because he wanted to go
forward, i.e., progress their sound, and Mr. Bell wanted to harken back
to that late 60's early 70's sound and they just couldn't mesh.
The new single off the album will be released by Creation on the 12th of
this month with the "Tarantula" LP being released sometime mid march.
Supposedly, Ride were picked up by Elektra stateside but since they are
no longer an outfit and thus cannot tour, Elektra will probably not
release the LP stateside (so I'm free) so we'll have to pay import price
for it. Mark Gardner's new band is called "Exile" and will be, in his
own words, "kind of a Chemmical Brother's thang with lots of driving
guitars (a far cry from that decades ago sound that Bell wants to do.)
ARE THE CHARLATANS THE ONLY BAND LEFT THAT KEEP PROGRESSING, KEEP THEIR
FRIENDSHIPS STRONG, AND KEEP PUTTING OUT GREAT MUSIC? IS THIS INDEAD THE
SIGN OF A TRULY GREAT BAND IN THE MAKING?
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:19:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: cynical comparison
> for it. Mark Gardner's new band is called "Exile" and will be, in his
> own words, "kind of a Chemmical Brother's thang with lots of driving
> guitars (a far cry from that decades ago sound that Bell wants to do.)
Now this, this sounds really promising!!
> ARE THE CHARLATANS THE ONLY BAND LEFT THAT KEEP PROGRESSING, KEEP THEIR
> FRIENDSHIPS STRONG, AND KEEP PUTTING OUT GREAT MUSIC? IS THIS INDEAD THE
> SIGN OF A TRULY GREAT BAND IN THE MAKING?
Uhhh, are you talking about all bands or just the very small
sub-sub-group of rock 'n roll that the Charlatans are part of? I agree
that they are a great band, but there's sooooo much music happening
outside England and even rock 'n roll!
If we're talking about related sorts of bands, I'd say that the Stone
Roses are getting their act together and seem committed to being a
regular band again, i.e. one that releases records and tours and such!!
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:51:05 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: ride/charlatans
ARE THE CHARLATANS THE ONLY BAND LEFT THAT KEEP PROGRESSING, KEEP THEIR
FRIENDSHIPS STRONG, AND KEEP PUTTING OUT GREAT MUSIC? IS THIS INDEAD THE
SIGN OF A TRULY GREAT BAND IN THE MAKING?
in the making? what the hell! they ARE a great band!
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 23:03:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole)
Subject: Re: ride/charlatans
>ARE THE CHARLATANS THE ONLY BAND LEFT THAT KEEP PROGRESSING, KEEP THEIR
>FRIENDSHIPS STRONG, AND KEEP PUTTING OUT GREAT MUSIC? IS THIS INDEAD THE
>SIGN OF A TRULY GREAT BAND IN THE MAKING?
>
>in the making? what the hell! they ARE a great band!
I'd have to agree here. Maybe the Charlatans have not achieved the
typical success that bands like Oasis are getting now (which kind of makes
me sick) but I think the fact that they havent achieved high profile success
and they are still around and not slagging each other and other bands is
the mark of a truly great band. (excuse the run on sentence)
Just my 2 cents.
Nicole
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:14:33 -0600 (CST)
From: traumaboy <mode1@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: critical acclaim
I think it's very interesting that the charlatans have received so much
critical acclaim in America, and relatively little commercial success;
Whereas in Britain, it seems that their albums get mixed reviews but
generally do better commercially.
I think even 10th and 11th got good reviews in America (personally it's
my favorite)--
Anyway, it seems like the charlatans are (in America) one of those cases
where the critics are onto something by recognizing the charlatans as a
developing, improving, up and coming band, and the public has nowhere
near caught on.
By the way, I don't know whether anyone else has posted any of this, but
at the risk of redundancy, the charlatans have done pretty well in some
British magazines' BEST OF 1995 lists:
Q magazine: (feb 1996):
one of the best 50 albums of 1995
"...within this impeccably presented collection lurked songs of sheer
quality...and a distinct air of freshly discovered confidence."
Another magazine, (select perhaps?) had 'just when you're thinkin'...'
listed as one of the best singles of the year.
cheers!
jb
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:34:15 +0000
From: James D McAllister <ceejdm1@cee.hw.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: ride/charlatans
wouldn't you call two no. 1 uk albums a success?
>I'd have to agree here. Maybe the Charlatans have not achieved the
>typical success that bands like Oasis are getting now (which kind of makes
>me sick)
>but I think the fact that they havent achieved high profile success and
>they are still around and
>not slagging each other and other bands is the mark of a truly great
>band.(excuse the run on sentence)
>Just my 2 cents.
>Nicole
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vassar.edu (nicole)
Subject: Re: ride/charlatans
>wouldn't you call two no. 1 uk albums a success?
Of course I would but I was specifically talking about US success. But even
in the UK they don't get the coverage that blur and oasis do. i personally
dont think that measures a band's success...i'm just stating obvious facts.
The charlatans are phenomenal no matter what standards you judge them by.
I wasn't trying to downplay them at all...dont be so quick to jump all over me.
nicole
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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 11:54:08 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: BackRoomWindow
Hi All!
I have finally got the access to my account from the university today, so now
the BackRoomWindow is open again. I will try to change things a little during
this semester, so I'm happy if you visit the page:
http://www.ifi.uio:no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
Cheers,
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:58:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Benda <bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us>
Subject: Re: BackRoomWindow
On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Eirik Gudmundsen wrote:
> Hi All!
>
> I have finally got the access to my account from the university today, so now
> the BackRoomWindow is open again. I will try to change things a little during
> this semester, so I'm happy if you visit the page:
>
> http://www.ifi.uio:no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
Eirik, are you sure this address is correct? I keep getting "unable to
connect to host" after entering and that never happens to me unless the
address is wrong in formation. Help.
JSUN
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:27:50 -0500 (EST)
From: kclair@sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair)
Subject: Re: BackRoomWindow
Jason Benda wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Eirik Gudmundsen wrote:
>
> > Hi All!
> >
> > I have finally got the access to my account from the university today, so now
> > the BackRoomWindow is open again. I will try to change things a little during
> > this semester, so I'm happy if you visit the page:
> >
> > http://www.ifi.uio:no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
>
> Eirik, are you sure this address is correct? I keep getting "unable to
> connect to host" after entering and that never happens to me unless the
> address is wrong in formation. Help.
I had the same problem.
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:37:05 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris <ct102@mailer.york.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: BackRoomWindow
> > > http://www.ifi.uio:no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
Try http://www.ifi.uio.no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
I think Eirik must have a slip of the finger
Chris
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:23:11 -0500
From: jrobin@tiac.net (Sproston Green)
Subject: Re: BackRoomWindow
>Jason Benda wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Eirik Gudmundsen wrote:
>>
>> > Hi All!
>> >
>> > I have finally got the access to my account from the university today,
so now
>> > the BackRoomWindow is open again. I will try to change things a little
during
>> > this semester, so I'm happy if you visit the page:
>> >
http://www.ifi.uio:no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
it's cause there's a typo..should be:
http://www.ifi.uio.no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
Sproston Green
jrobin@tiac.net
http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/index.html
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:39:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Sproston Green <haversto@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Boots
does anyone have any good boots from the last tour? in trade i have hot
licks, glastonbury 95 and a cleveland show from 5/94 as far as boots go
and i have just about every single including indian rope, tremelo song,
over rising, cant get out of bed, then, the only one i know, and
everything off of the new album. i also have a lot of boots by blur,
stone roses, oasis, and teenage fanclub. i also have a lot of other
things but i didnt think they would be pertinent to this list (sonic
youth, dinosaur jr) so mail me and ill hopefully send you a current list.
cheers
matt
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 00:54:18 -0500 (EST)
From: cstein@sava.gulfnet.com (Chris Steinmetz)
Subject: Re: Boots
Matt-
>does anyone have any good boots from the last tour?
No, and I want some.
> in trade i have hot licks, glastonbury 95, and cleveland show from 5/94 as
> far as boots go
Got Hot Licks, but I want the other 2.
>and i have just about every single including indian rope, tremelo song,
>over rising, cant get out of bed, then, the only one i know, and
>everything off of the new album.
Got all those plus BOTH of the "Then" (1 w/ demos & 1 w/ live cuts) and BOTH
"Jesus Hairdo" (1 w/ remixes & 1 w/ live cuts) singles.
> i also have a lot of boots by blur,
>stone roses, oasis, and teenage fanclub.
I am a STONE ROSES freak, and I'm a hardcore OASIS collector. I want to
know what you've got by these guys, as well as Blur, FanClub, and Ride.
> i also have a lot of other
>things but i didnt think they would be pertinent to this list (sonic
>youth, dinosaur jr) so mail me and ill hopefully send you a current list.
Send it ASAP!!! Here's all non-Rolling Stones stuff I have:
Questions welcome to me at cstein@sava.gulfnet.com
Artist GIG Quality/Length
Derek & Dominoes San Fran. 70 A/sb 100 min
Bob Dylan Royal Albert Hall 66 B+/aud 45
Little Feat Clubs 73-75 B+/sb/FM 80 (2LP)
Little Feat Santa Monica Civic 73 B+/sb 1 LP
Nirvana Unplugged/Seattle 12/93 A/vid./sb? 79
Nirvana Rome 94 A/FM 79
Oasis Various A/B/var 75
Oasis Chicago Metro 94 A+/promo 67
Pearl Jam Pink Pop 92 / US 92 B+/B/dat? 47
Pearl Jam Unplugged + US 92 A/B+/vid./dat 73
Pearl Jam 93 US tour A-/dat 74
Pearl Jam 93 US + EV& Doors A-/sb 63
Pearl Jam Atlanta 4/3/94 A+/promo 120
Pearl Jam Bridge Benefit 10/94 B/aud. 68
Pink Floyd Oakland, Ca. 5/9/77 B+/sb(?) 140
Plimsouls 79-81 Midwest US A+/FanClub 37
REM Unplugged 91 + SNL 91 A/vid. 72
REM 40 Watt Club, Athens, 11/92 B/dat 77
Stone Roses Hacienda 89 B/aud 57
Stone Roses Walsall Junction Club 89 B/aud 71
Stone Roses Tokyo 89 B/aud 57
Stone Roses Blackpool 89 B+/sb 56
Stone Roses Spike Island 90 C/aud 77
Stone Roses Boston 95 B/aud 64
Stone Roses Amsterdam (??) 95 A-/B+/dat 74
Velvet Underground Rotterdam 6/9/93 B/aud 127
Tom Waits I'll take New York B+(?)/aud 1LP
Also, I've got a ton of old Off the Record Specials - Interviews and Music
Also, I've got a lot of old King Biscuit Flower Hour Concerts on Tape
And for those so inclined, I've got a ton of Dead/JGB tapes - all aud - vary
qual.
SEND YOUR LIST and YOUR WANTS OFF MINE!!!!
Chris Steinmetz
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:08:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vassar.edu (nicole)
Subject: Re: Boots
Matt-
Do you think you could post what you have as far as boots go...
i would ask for specifics but it might be easier if you just do it
all since it's getting sent to the main list..if it's not too much trouble.
thanks..and i'm sure not just from me...
(anyone at the blur show saturday?)
Nicole
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 03:17:31 -0500 (EST)
From: cstein@sava.gulfnet.com (Chris Steinmetz)
Subject: APOLOGY
Hey Y'all -
SORRY ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE TO "MATT" TO THE LIST.
Matt, please e-mail me back w/ response, because i can't find yer address.
Peace, Chris
obCharlatans: Another Rider Up in Flames (Live)
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:59:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Sproston Green <haversto@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Boots
i have been asked to post my boot list to the entire list as opposed to a
couple people that replied, so against my better judgement i will. If
this irritates or offends anyone i apologize. I have also included the
singles i have for each band
BLUR
??/??/94 Modrophenia (45m, B)
??/??/94 Sawdust Seizures (45m, B)
10/05/95 Toronto (60m, B+)
singles: Country House II (w/live tracks)
CHARLATANS
07/??/95 Glastonbury (45m, B)
05/04/94 Cleveland (80m, B)
??/??/?? Hot Licks (50m, A)
singles: Indian Rope, Then, The Only One I Know, Over Rising, Tremelo
Song, Can't Get Out Of Bed, Crashin In', Just When..., Just Lookin', Me
In Time, Jesus Hairdo #1, #2
STONE ROSES
02/11/91 Hacienda (50m, B+)
i have 2 other roses shows but they suck so bad this is the only one i
will trade
PULP
07/??/95 Glastonbury (45m, A)
OASIS
07/??/95 Glastonbury (80m, A-)
10/14/94 Toronto (65m, B-)
various Black on White (90m, A)
singles: Some Might Say
FLAMING LIPS
various Sweet Jesus (75m, B+)
??/??/88 Manhattan, KS (45m, B)
07/16/94 Chicago (45m, C+)
singles: Unconsciously Screamin, Turn It On, Providing Needles EP
SONIC YOUTH
07/??/95 Lollapalooza, Canada (70m, B-)
singles: 100%, Dirty Boots
TEENAGE FANCLUB
05/??/92 Chicago (50m, A+)
04/??/92 San Francisco (60m, B-)
04/??/92 Interview, Performance Dennis Miller Show (10m, A)
singles: God Knows It's True, Peel Sessions, What You Do To Me, Hang
On, Radio, Norman 3, Sparkys Dream #1
DINOSAUR JR
11/??/94 Santa Monica (45m, A-)
05/02/91 Boston (60m, B+)
singles: Start Choppin, Out There #1
GUIDED BY VOICES
04/13/95 Chicago (100m, A-)
singles: I Am a Scientist
RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
08/??/92 San Diego Lollapalooza (50m, A-)
singles: Taste the Pain
JON SPENCER BLUES EXPLOSION
11/23/93 Champaign (???) (50m, C+)
singles: Mo Width (imp lp)
PAVEMENT
05/??/94 Lawrence, KS (70m, B)
02/??/94 Atlanta (60m, B)
10/??/92 Sacramento (40m, B+)
??/??/92 Stray Slack (60m, B)
various Stuff Up the Cracks (90m, A)
singles: Gold Soundz, Cut Your Hair, Range Life, Father to a Sister...,
Rattled By the Rush, Trigger Cut, Pacific Trim, Perfect Sound Forever
cheers
matt
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:50:41 +0100 (MET)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Salt tour of the US
Sorry about the non-Charlatans content, but I wouldn't want you to miss the
Swedish group Salt's US tour (right now). If you can, go and see them!
Their sound is best described by their label (MVG/Island):
"From the moment the dissonant album-opening improvisation fades into the
wiry carnality of "Honour Me", it's evident that Salt aren't likely to
conform to easily-delineated, alterna-rock standards. Salt's spartan
playing informs songs like "Beauty" with a compelling astringency, while
Nina's commanding vocal presence mandates undivided attention."
Tour schedule:
February
M 12 San Jose, CA Cactus Club
T 13 SF, CA Bottom Of The Hill
Th 15 LA, CA Whisky
F 16 San Diego, CA The Casbah
Su 18 Phoenix, AZ Mason Jar
T 20 Denver, CO Mercury Cafe
Th 22 Kansas City, MO The Hurricane
F 23 Minneapolis, MN 7th St. Entry
S 24 Chicago, IL Lounge Ax
Su 25 Cleveland, OH Grog Shop
M 26 Detroit, MI Shelter
T 27 Toronto, Ont. The Horseshoe Tavern
Th 29 Boston, MA Middle East
March
F 01 New York, NY Coney Island High
S 02 Philadelphia, PA Khyber Pass
Su 03 Baltimore, MD 8 X 10
M 04 Washington DC 9:30 Club
W 06 Atlanta, GA The Point
F 08 Springfield, MO Regency Showcase
S 09 St. Louis, MO Galaxy
Su 10 Memphis, TN (tba)
M 11 Nashville, TN (tba)
Th 14 New York City Brownie's
// Erik Soderstrom (chief@lysator.liu.se)
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:45:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: JUBILEE <niconstandis@vassar.edu> (nicole)
Subject: inquiring minds want to know...
so does anyone know what the lads are up to now
seeing that (i believe) they are finished touring?
cheers
Jubilee
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:27:37 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: RE: inquiring minds want to know...
iheard rumour that a small number of north american dates are perhaps in the
works is this true?
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:25:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: JUBILEE <niconstandis@vassar.edu> (nicole)
Subject: quiet time
Has the list been virtually nonexistent or am i just not
receiving the mail for some reason? thanks
Jubilee
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:28:01 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: quiet time
> Has the list been virtually nonexistent or am i just not
> receiving the mail for some reason? thanks
>
> Jubilee
There has been some quit times now, but that's because it's become quiet
around The Charlatans for a while. If you're wondering what the band are up to
now, I just read about it in the latest issue of 109. It will also be in my
BRW homepage, which is being renewed at the moment! The Charlatans are writing
and rehearsing in Stone Staffordshire and are planning to start recording
their 5th album whithin the next few months. No live dates have been
confirmed, but there has been talk of some dates.
More info and shit can be found at
http://www.ifi.uio.no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
Cheers,
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:40:23 -0500
From: derek_f@alcor.concordia.ca (Derek Fong)
Subject: RE: inquiring minds want to know...
Merrilee,
>iheard rumour that a small number of north american dates are perhaps in the
>works is this true?
Maybe, but why would they come back to North America since they
were already here last autumn? (But what do I know?)
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:17:26 -0500
From: derek_f@alcor.concordia.ca (Derek Fong)
Subject: My new web page!
Just a shameless plug for my new web page. It's got some
Charlatans stuff on it and is a very Charlatans-oriented page.
Unfortunately, because I admittedly don't read music mags very often, you
won't find any Charlatans news on it. But I have put up a lyrics page and
have also put up a graphic I did from the Charlatans' various releases
(thanks to Eirik for the scans!).
Check it out at http://alcor.concordia.ca/~derek_f/. (Looks best
with Netscape 2.0.) Let me know what you think of it!
--------------------------
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:15:57 PST
From: Robert Harrison <j9564871@wlv.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: inquiring minds want to know...
On Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:27:37 MST MERRILEE WOLSEY wrote:
> iheard rumour that a small number of north american dates are perhaps in the
> works is this true?
To any one thats tuned in to planet earh at the moment take a pew and listen,
The end of the world is nigh so play your Charlatans records loud and clear
and sit back and enjoy the last moments of your life .
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:32:01 +0000
From: Andy Fraire <andyf@as.ucsb.edu>
Subject: life is....video
Has anyone see the Chemical Brothers' "Life is Sweet" video on 120
minutes?(to those in the states).
I was amazed to see that MTV would play the Chemical Brothers, however i
had heard the music used in promos.
-andf@as.ucsb.edu
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:32:21 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: RE: inquiring minds want to know...
reasons why the charlatans might come back to north america...
#1. i read it in 109
#2. they managed once again to miss vancouver on this last tour, and damn it
they owe it to us they went out and bailed out back 1993!
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:05:34 -0500
From: Rainbow507@aol.com
Subject: Re: inquiring minds want to know...
i don't know if they are coming back to north america--i wish!
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:21:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Deborah <ae94af@badger.ac.BrockU.CA>
Subject: RE: inquiring minds want to know...
actually, when they were in toronto last october, i asked rob collins if
they would return to north america anytime soon and he said they would be
coming back either this spring or this summer. and does it matter if
they were just here. remember the between 10th and 11th tour they came
twice in a span of 3 months!
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:48:15 -0500 (EST)
From: kclair@sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair)
Subject: Re: life is....video
Andy Fraire wrote:
>
> Has anyone see the Chemical Brothers' "Life is Sweet" video on 120
> minutes?(to those in the states).
> I was amazed to see that MTV would play the Chemical Brothers, however i
> had heard the music used in promos.
> -andf@as.ucsb.edu
I saw it. I had never seen the Chemical Brothers before - the lead
singer looked very familiar. I liked the song.
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:06:02 -0500
From: jim lowe <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: life is....video
> I saw it. I had never seen the Chemical Brothers before - the lead
> singer looked very familiar. I liked the song.
Yeah...I wonder where we've seen him before... :-)
Anyway, has anyone heard of the next North American release for the
charlies? "Just Lookin" actually did okay in Canada...it was on the
CFNY Top 30 for awhile and received occasional video play on Much.
I think JWYTTO would be an excellent single...what's the video like?
Anyway, it makes for a great bar song.
jim
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:36:32 +0000
From: LEANNE MCQUILLAN <9524554@srv0.law.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: life is....video
The JWYTTO video is quite good.
The Charlatans are dressed as gangsters.
That's all I can remember.
Leanne
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:34:05 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lynch KT <du113@city.ac.uk>
Subject: Bombscare/Charlatans in the pub.
A friend of mine was involved in a bomb alert at Archway tube station on
Wednesday, as the platform was evacuated he bumped into Mr Burgess and
they had a quick chat. Right now the band are just demoing stuff and
writing, they might start recording after Easter.
I got the landlord at my local pub to put on 'The Charlatans' on Friday.
I swear it's never sounded cooler. An album to live your life ( and drink
) to for sure. I was psyched up for the rest of the night after hearing that.
KEV
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:00:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: Barry Young <Barry.Young@wadham.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: life is....video
> I think JWYTTO would be an excellent single...what's the video like?
> Anyway, it makes for a great bar song.
>
> jim
It's really cool, actually. It's (I think) done in the stlye of that 70s
movie "Performance" that starred Mick Jagger. Fitted the song quite well.
Baz.
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:34:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Deborah <ae94af@badger.ac.BrockU.CA>
Subject: Re: life is....video
jim,
just when you're thinking things over has already been released as a
single. it's b-sides were chemical risk (toothache remix), frinck, and
your skies are mine. as a matter fo fact i think it was released last
summer. early fall for sure though!
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:32:15 -0500
From: derek_f@alcor.concordia.ca (Derek Fong)
Subject: RE: inquiring minds want to know...
>reasons why the charlatans might come back to north america...
>#1. i read it in 109
>#2. they managed once again to miss vancouver on this last tour, and damn it
>they owe it to us they went out and bailed out back 1993!
Merrilee,
Well, if the Charlatans come back to North America, I'm definitely
going to see them again. The last time they played here in Montreal (last
October), they played a relatively short show and followed with only one
encore. A couple of my friends managed to track down Tim Burgess for a few
seconds, and he said he was sorry the show was so short, but the band had
to be in Buffalo early the next day.
So... if the Charlatans DO come back to North America anytime soon,
I'll be the last to complain! :-)
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:01:32 -0500
From: jim lowe <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: life is....video
> jim,
> just when you're thinking things over has already been released as a
> single. it's b-sides were chemical risk (toothache remix), frinck, and
> your skies are mine. as a matter fo fact i think it was released last
> summer. early fall for sure though!
No, no, no.
I meant as a North American release (to radio & television).
JWYTTO was released in the UK on August 8, I believe.
jim
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:52:45 EST
From: "R" <RHOBCROFT@bss.inforamp.net>
Subject: Re: life is....video
> I think JWYTTO would be an excellent single...what's the video like?
> Anyway, it makes for a great bar song.
It was a single in the UK, but I can't remember how well it did, or
if I saw the video.........(I'm so helpful! ;-)
Robyn :)
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 23:13:12 -0500 (EST)
From: cstein@sava.gulfnet.com (Chris Steinmetz)
Subject: Re: Just When You're Thinkin Things Over - single
Hey!
>Anyway, has anyone heard of the next North American release for the
>charlies? "Just Lookin" actually did okay in Canada...it was on the
>CFNY Top 30 for awhile and received occasional video play on Much.
>
>I think JWYTTO would be an excellent single...what's the video like?
>Anyway, it makes for a great bar song.
I thought it WAS the next or latest single, because I bought it back in 95.
Peace, Chris
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