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The Charlatans Digest Volume 01 Issue 02
The Charlatans Digest Tue Nov 28, 1995 Volume 1 : Issue 02
There are 65 messages totalling 1209 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Leeds T&C
2. Dougie Shanley says Bye Bye
3. stupid question (8)
4. fave charlatans album (9)
5. video
6. Last nights gig! (10)
7. more trades
8. who is Day? (4)
9. Valuable Rope (2)
10. Makin' Time
11. -- No Subject -- (2)
12. RCPT messages..
13. tim is hot (2)
14. Wheres the Charlatans mail? (3)
15. quit the griping
16. questions (2)
17. Answer - Between 10th&11
18. easy life.... (4)
19. Easy Life
20. New single?
21. saturdays concert
22. Charlatans v Chemical Brothers (3)
23. touring (4)
24. Wierdo CD wanted
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From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 10:03:42 GMT
Subject: Leeds T&C
Last night's gig was phenomenal, one of THE best gigs I've ever been
to (and there were no voice problems or fire alarms ;-) ). The atmos
was fantastic and the place was sold out and packed to capacity.
Everyone seemed to be in good spirits and despite there being the
usual gig idiots there were no problems or chance of it.
Northern Uproar started - Erm, yeah, great, erm fairly average really,
started off very poorly but about 2 or 3 songs stood out including
their current single. They looked a bit stiff on stage though and said
thing like "Tops", "Cheers", "Fanks" in BRROOOAAADDD Mancunian accents
after every song. Bass playing lead vocalist though, not a lot around!
At 9.30pm the light went down and a light shone on the back "the
Charlatans" and the Chemical Brothers music started, then finished
before they came on, Tim doing his little salute to the crowd. The
general track list has been shown before but there were a couple of
surprises, not least in Nine Acre Court to start proceedings but also
Thank You and Tell Everyone on the encore :
Nine Acre Court
Soul Saver
Easy Life
Only One I Know
Thank You
Just Lookin
Jesus Hairdo
Toothache
Feelin Holy
Can't Get Out Of Bed
Thinkin things Over
Wierdo
Then
Crashin In
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Tell Everyone - Went to get a drink at this stage!!
Sproston Green
An absolutely packed track list! The best tracks were Then, Nine Acre
Court, Feelin Holy, Crashin In and Sproston Green.
The only bad bits were when Tim kept murmuring into the mike and
no-one could hear him! He really looked to be enjoying himself though,
much more than, say, Oasis if I dare mention them.
Superb,
Mark K.
mark@yacc.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:21:22 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Dougie Shanley says Bye Bye
Dougie sent me this, and asked me to pass it on to the list:
My email address is no longer working :-(( as some of you may have
noticed (Im sending this using Netscape). I hope to have a new one by
the end of November. Anyone who was wanting to swap tapes - sorry, Ive
lost all your addresses, Ill get back to you as soon as I can, I
promise. If anyone needs to, you can send a message to
C.E.HELM@sms.ed.ac.uk with For Dougie as the subject,
and Ill get it within about a week.
Bye for now
Dougie Shanley
(douglas.shanley@gecm.com) (not anymore)
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:17:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: stupid question
hey,
I'm also on the oasis list and there's a debate going on about
whether the charlies are united or city fans...
can anyone inform me correctly since i've forgotten..shame i know
thanks.
cheers,
nicole
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From: MrBritPop@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:08:33 -0500
Subject: fave charlatans album
My personal favorite Charlatan's cd so far is Between 10&11.
I haven't listened to the new one enough times to be really fair though. Its
really great so far. Just Looking , Feeling Holy and Toothache are among my
favorites from it so far.
grettings to all,
Mr. Brit Pop
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:37:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: stupid question
Does it really matter??
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: Re: stupid question
>Does it really matter??
not to whether or not i love the charlies but i was wondering
or is that no alright with you?!
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:44:21 GMT
From: a94cw@alpha2.luton.ac.uk (I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT MAKES ME FEEL ALIVE...)
Subject: Re: fave charlatans album
my fave charlatans album is "Up to our Hips" its definitly under-rated.
the Charlatans is brilliant too but its more poppy than "Up to our Hips"
I am seeing them in brixton on saturday, and the stone roses a fortnight after
that, the allnighter can't wait!!!!
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 12:24:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Ioanna Kotsogiannis <iwavva@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: video
I just got the Charlatans vs. Chemical Brothers CD (I know I am probably
really behind) But anyway, I haven't gotten a chance to listen to it
yet. What do you all think of it?
Ioanna Kotsogiannis
University of Michigan
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:43:54 -0600 (CST)
From: cooper andrew j <acooper@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: fave charlatans album
On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT MAKES ME FEEL ALIVE...
wrote:
> my fave charlatans album is "Up to our Hips" its definitly under-rated.
I really like Up to our Hips too. It was definitely my favorite.
When I first listened to the latest album there were some songs I liked,
but overall I didn't think it was as good as Up to Our Hips. I've been
listening to it quite a bit though, and it's grown on me a lot. I think
I do like it about as much as Up to our Hips. Both of them are pretty
incredible.
Just my opinion,
Andrew
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 15:02:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: Re: fave charlatans album
Tim Burgess has said repeatedly that the latest album is definitely the
best..it's the most cohesive
apparently. Granted Up to Our Hips is brilliant but in their opinion they lost
their direction at times with it...
still Up To Our Hips is top.
cheers
nc
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 14:45:00 -0500
From: hultiin0@seraph1.sewanee.edu (Niklas Hultin)
Subject: Re: fave charlatans album
>Tim Burgess has said repeatedly that the latest album is definitely the
>best..it's the most cohesive
>apparently. Granted Up to Our Hips is brilliant but in their opinion they lost
>their direction at times with it...
>still Up To Our Hips is top.
Somewhere, sometime, I read that Tim Burgess almost lost it during the
recording of Up To Our Hips (and i remember reading interviews from that
time in which he made numerous references to smoking a lot of weed and
drinking quite a bit of JD) and that Mrtin Blunt was the one who had to
pull it all through.
Nik HUltin
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 15:45:31 -0500
From: MrBritPop@aol.com
Subject: Re: fave charlatans album
Up to Our Hips and Some Friendly are both really good too. I really like
everything they have put out so far. Most of their songs are so catchy that
all their albums are great. I still feel though that Between 10th and 11th is
the most consistent.
Mr. Brit Pop aka Donnie
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 16:38:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: Re: fave charlatans album
>Up to Our Hips and Some Friendly are both really good too. I really like
>everything they have put out so far. Most of their songs are so catchy that
>all their albums are great. I still feel though that Between 10th and 11th is
>the most consistent.
A lot of people really like Between 10th and 11th but the Charlies don't....
they have said that after all the mixing that was done on it by Flood it just
wasnt them anymore.
Notice that the sets they play now only include Weirdo from B10th and 11th....I
guess that's the one single they can tolerate from it.
Cheers,
nicole
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:40:10 -0500
From: Munj@aol.com
Subject: Re: fave charlatans album and more...
Some Friendly is my favorite, but we are all going to like different ones,
now aren't we? I wish I had gotten to see them in that phase of their career
(I saw them with about 50 other people in a small club during "Up To Our
Hips" tour in Boston, U.S.). Anyways, someone said that they usually only
play "Weirdo" from B10&11th, which I agree with, but when I saw them they
played "Can't Even Be Bothered" and it was one of the best tunes they did
that night. So I was wondering what more obscure tracks people have ever
seen them play, now or recently, like b-sides for instance. Has anyone ever
heard them perform "Stir It Up", "Taurus Moaner", "Only A Boho", "Who Wants
To Know", "Everything Changed" or even "Back Room Window"? How about covers?
Besides "Time For Livin" I've never heard of the Charlies doing any covers,
although I'm sure that they must have done a few along the way. With all the
gigs they play, you'd think that they would get sick of playing the same
songs over and over and throw in a few rarities now and then.
Matt
BTW, I'd be happy to make a compilation tape of b-sides for anyone in
exchange for any live Charlatans music (I live in a smaller city where it's
VERY hard to find Chucktans boots, even the more popular ones). Just email
Munj@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:38:25 -0500
From: MrBritPop@aol.com
Subject: Re: fave charlatans album
>Notice that the sets they play now only include Weirdo from >B10th and 11th.
Thats interesting because I personally feel that Weirdo is the weakest song
on B10&11
Donnie a.k.a. Mr. Brit Pop
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:04:43 +0100
From: Rod Begbie <ceerab@pp.hw.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
>Did you hang aroung after any of the gigs to meet the band?
No time! After Glasgow, I had to sprint from the Barrowlands to Queen Street
station to catch the last train back, and at Livingstone, I had to get one of the
Showtravel coaches (actually an LRT bus!)
Rod.
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 09:06:06 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Re: stupid question
Northwich Victoria fans actually, they're from Northwich NOT
Manchester as they pointed out in an early interview.
Mark K.
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:37:18 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: more trades
Hi everyone!
I have two more singles for trade:
Over Rising (US)
1. Over Rising (3:41)
2. Way Up There (4:36)
3. Happen To Die (3:05)
4. Opportunity Three (7:21)
The Only One I Know (Limited Edition)
1. The Only One I Know (3:56)
2. Everything Changed (3:21)
3. Imperial 109 (Edit) (3:41)
4. You Can Talk To Me (4:49)
I'm still looking for the following CD singles:
Can't Even Be Bothered
Then
Weirdo
Tremelo Song (disc one with "Normality Swing")
Easy Life
Crashin' In (with "Backroom Window", and Green Flashing Eyes")
Just when you're thinkin' things over
I still have the Sproston Green US promo:
1. Sproston Green(remix edit by Flood) 3:50
2. Sproston Green(LP version) 5:10
3. Opportunity (Extended Remix by Flood) 7:26
I've been getting tons of offers, and I've decided that it would be fair if
I trade it for the best one by Sunday.
Please e-mail me at klyakov@ucsd.edu, so that others on the list who are not
interested won't be bothered....
Thanks in advance!
"I can't even be bothered, energy breaks me down..."
Krassi
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:39:58 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: who is Day?
Hi everyone!
I was wondering who Day is?
On my "The only one I know" single it says:
All songs written by: Blunt, Brookes, Burgess, Collins, & Day. Is Day
Baker's other name? I could be only guessing....
"I can't even be bothered, energy breaks me down..."
Krassi
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:49:32 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Last nights gig!
I'm still coming down after last Thursdays Charlies gig in Leeds.
Tim was totally on form and , although everything was bloody good,
stand out tracks were "Soul Saver" and "I never want an easy life..."
Northern Uproar were dodgy support mind.
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 09:07:33 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Valuable Rope
I remember someone saying they were auctioning off Indian Rope a
couple of weeks ago. Can someone tell me the price it went for as I
have a copy (12" original) and want a rough valuation.
Mark K.
mark@yacc.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 11:41:01 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Re[2]: Last nights gig!
>I'm still coming down after last Thursdays Charlies gig in Leeds.
>Tim was totally on form and , although everything was bloody good,
>stand out tracks were "Soul Saver" and "I never want an easy
>life..." Northern Uproar were dodgy support mind.
Did you understand ANYTHING Tim said that night?! We made out some of
the track introductions but that's about it. A really cool bit was
when someone threw a fag box (?) and Tim, despite singing and
dancing, caught it one handed and gave a little celebration. There
was also a part where he dropped his mike and someone nicked it, I
think Tim said "Give me it back or I'll kill you" (in a joking way!).
Mark K.
mark@yacc.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:03:40 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Last nights gig!
I didnt get a word that Tim said but I think it was partly because we
had seats in the balcony at the back which were a bit naff. He did
put the mike into the audience at one point as well and all one sorry
gig goer could manage was a pathetic "Aaaaghh". One potential moment
of fame completely ruined. Where or what the hell is "yacc" in your
address by the way.
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:33:34 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: RE: who is Day?
anyone know who those two characters on the front of the upto out hips album
are?
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:05:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck <justin@aris.ss.uci.edu>
To: charlatans@stud2.misjonshs.no
Subject: RE: who is Day?
On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, MERRILEE WOLSEY wrote:
> anyone know who those two characters on the front of the upto out hips album
> are?
One is a model (the girl I think) and the other is the guy who does their
hair. I asked Jon this question through another girl who interviewed him.
Now, WHY are they on it? :)
Justin
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:43:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Rehak <rehak@panix.com>
Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Re[2]: Last nights gig!
Anybody else get this, and if so, any idea what it means? I guess this is
a crappy way to introduce myself to the group, but I'm curious about this.
While I'm here, can anybody send a discography of Charlatans stuff, or
something along those lines? I'm a relatively new fan, and would like to
get my hands on some more of their stuff. Thanx in advance.
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 09:33:17 JST
From: r_smith@Koyosha.CO.JP (HirokoTakeda)
Subject: Makin' Time
does anyone know about Makin' Time ???
does anyone have their stuff ???
does anyone know all of their members ??? the only one member I know is
Martin .......
********: hiro :*********
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 09:29:47 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Re[2]: Last nights gig!
WHATHE? What is this and why has it got my name on!! I certainly
didn't put a mail reciept on it, honest!
Mark K.
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:08:47 +0100
From: gillian bullock <es0u505c@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Re[2]: Last nights gig!
In message Wed, 22 Nov 95 09:29:47 GMT, mark@yacc.co.uk writes:
> WHATHE? What is this and why has it got my name on!! I certainly
> didn't put a mail reciept on it, honest!
>
> Mark K.
piss off,i'm getting too much mail
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:07:08 +0100
From: gillian bullock <es0u505c@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Re[2]: Last nights gig!
> Anybody else get this, and if so, any idea what it means? I guess this is
> a crappy way to introduce myself to the group, but I'm curious about this.
> While I'm here, can anybody send a discography of Charlatans stuff, or
> something along those lines? I'm a relatively new fan, and would like to
> get my hands on some more of their stuff. Thanx in advance.
i've not a clue what's going on here.i keep recieving loads of messages for
no reason ,that take sodding ages to read.i got 23 today and it's only
dinnertime.If you want the charlatans discography,you can get it on the
internet.if you don't have access,write your address in amessage,and i'll
send it to you.
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:22:37 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Re[2]: Last nights gig!
> i've not a clue what's going on here.i keep recieving loads of messages for
> no reason ,that take sodding ages to read.i got 23 today and it's only
> dinnertime.If you want the charlatans discography,you can get it on the
> internet.if you don't have access,write your address in amessage,and i'll
> send it to you.
All I ever seem to bloody get are receipts and bugger all about the
Charlatans. Im getting about 20 a day as well and Ive had enough.
Paradoxically though, writing stuff like this adds to the amount of
crap that everyone reads and has no relevance to the Charlies.
Therefore, just for posterity, my favourite Charlatans song is "I
Never Want An Easy Life....."
Dave.
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:00:14 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Re[2]: Last nights gig!
Hello, I'm one of the maintainers of this list!
It seems like some of you have some sorts of problems at this list. I may
misunderstood, but if any of you recieve 20 or more mails for no reason from
this list, please mail to me personally and tell me what you're recieveing.
I'm only recieving 5-6 mails a day from this mailinglist, so if some of you
get a lot more something's propably wrong. I hope it will work out. I also
hope you don't get too pissed with the situation, if it's the lists' fault. I
haven't been able to look at so much concerning the list due to all the exams
I'm having at the moment..
Anyway, I know there's a lot of you now who's from UK at this list, so I am
asking about something I've been asking about before. I was at the Daytripper
gig with the Charlatans and Ride in Brighton a couple of years ago, and that
was of course brilliant. I have finally managed (thanks to Hiroko) to get hold
on a cassett tape from that concert. This was between their 2nd and 3d album,
and they played some new songs like Up To Our Hips, Out and Subterranean which
I remembered very well when they were released the next year. But they also
played a song called " Nice Here, Around Here" which I thought was brilliant.
I am wondering if anyone and maybe especially those of you from UK, have heard
this song on a radio session or something at that time. I know they did
preform a couple of songs on some radio stations to coincide with the
Daytripper event. Tim Burgess is really using his voice on a full scale on
this song. I hope someone has heard of it....
OK, bye then, and please mail if you have any problems. I don't want anybody
to be unhappy with this list.
chao!
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:57:29 +0100
From: Dawn Robinson <chedar@pp.hw.ac.uk>
Subject: -- No Subject --
Tim Tim Tim Tim TIM!!!!!
Just testing that I'm subscribed correctly.
Pebbles chedar@pp.hw.ac.uk
xx
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:20:01 +0100
From: Rod Begbie <ceerab@pp.hw.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: -- No Subject --
On Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:57:29 +0100 Dawn Robinson <chedar@pp.hw.ac.uk>
wrote:
>Tim Tim Tim Tim TIM!!!!!
>
>Just testing that I'm subscribed correctly.
Oops! Sorry! I was setting up Dawn on the mailing list, demonstrating how to
send a message, but didn't really mean to send it!
Grovel Grovel! (Is that good enough, Dawn?)
Rod.
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:31:03 +0000 ( )
From: Trygve Gudmundsen <trygu@stud2.misjonshs.no>
Subject: RCPT messages..
I think the problem is in "A young Lady?" RHOBCROFT@bss.inforam.net's
mailreader.
Could you **please** turn off the RCPT option on you mailer? It's
flooding this group.
This is *NOT* an error in the mailinglist.
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:28:09 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: tim is hot
well this may sound like a corny story... but...
i was given a sign...
tim is hot...
today while using an opaque projector to project a huge image of tim's face on
the wall i noticed something strange. the image started to move all by itself!
so i turned my head quickly to the projector to see if one of my friends was
trying to pull a practical joke. but it wasn't a joke. it was definately not a
joke!
there was smoke pouring out of the machine! tim was on fire! so to salvage my
magazine i pulled it out of the projector and stomped on it, but my attempts
were in vain! the smoldering image turned into flames on the floor and i nearly
burned down the art building!
tim is hot. and i am born again! hallelujah!
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:38:31 -0600 (CST)
From: dog man star <bcp4619@omega.uta.edu>
Subject: Re: tim is hot
I can sympathize with you...if I had more pics of Tim I'd mail you
one..honest, i just don't have any to spare.
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:32:51 -0600 (CST)
From: dog man star <bcp4619@omega.uta.edu>
Subject: Re: stupid question
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 22:46:53 -0600 (CST)
From: dog man star <bcp4619@omega.uta.edu>
Subject: Re: stupid question
sorry about posting that to the whole list...how do you reply to just
the one sender? normally i have to do a group reply to sent it to the
list.
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:33:36 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: stupid question
You've got far too much time on your hands you know.
Dave
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:41:14 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Wheres the Charlatans mail?
This morning Ive received 8 pieces of mail from the group and only a
couple of them have even made any mention of the Charlies. Whats
happening? Isnt the whole point of this group to swap info and
gossip and stuff on the greatest group on the planet or is it
becoming some sort of coffee morning style conversation forum?
Dave.
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:37:42 GMT
From: "Dave Lewis" <ICS5DML@EAST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: stupid question
> sorry about posting that to the whole list...how do you reply to just
> the one sender? normally i have to do a group reply to sent it to the
> list.
Instead of sending your message as a reply you need to mail it to the
address of the person you want to mail. Their address is generally
on the info point ast the top of the mail screen e.g. I can see youre
"bcp4619@omega.uta.edu"
Its a bit of a shot in the dark but with a moniker like "Dog, Man ,
Star" I figure you'd know of any good Suede lists or groups on the
Net. If you do could you tell me about them? Cheers.
Dave.
Man United are a bit good but they've got nothing on Cardiff City.
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:30:46 +0100
From: gillian bullock <es0u505c@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Wheres the Charlatans mail?
> This morning Ive received 8 pieces of mail from the group and only a
> couple of them have even made any mention of the Charlies. Whats
> happening? Isnt the whole point of this group to swap info and
> gossip and stuff on the greatest group on the planet or is it
> becoming some sort of coffee morning style conversation forum?
i'll go with the coffee.
no seriously,it's a bit boring,and so i think i should liven it up by saying
that tim burgess is a god and nobody can deny it.also,do the charlies know
about us wierdos talking about them?
gill
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 14:03:32 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mr M P Donnelly <ecubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Valuable Rope
On Tue, 21 Nov 1995 mark@yacc.co.uk wrote:
> I remember someone saying they were auctioning off Indian Rope a
> couple of weeks ago. Can someone tell me the price it went for as I
> have a copy (12" original) and want a rough valuation.
A friend of mine bought a copy of indian rope on 12 inch last week at a
record fair, he paid 10 for it.
Michael
M.P.Donnelly@warwick.ac.uk
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 95 10:37 PST
From: backbeat@IslandNet.com (Douglas VanWieren)
Subject: Re: Wheres the Charlatans mail?
> This morning Ive received 8 pieces of mail from the group and only a
> couple of them have even made any mention of the Charlies. Whats
> happening? Isnt the whole point of this group to swap info and
> gossip and stuff on the greatest group on the planet or is it
> becoming some sort of coffee morning style conversation forum?
I have to agree. What is up here? This is also one of the most inactive
mail lists that I have seen. C'mon people. Let's try to create some
coonversation here on the Charlies.
Dougie
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 21:53:52 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: quit the griping
would everyone just quit their griping. this mailing list was great until all
you bastards out there started moaning on about everything. if you are new to
the list and don't like it, that's probably why. most the good stuff has already
been said. if you have a question or whatever. ask it. but i hate getting my
mailbox flooded with bad attitude crap and whine whine this list rots. enuff
already.
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 21:53:22 -0800
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov)
Subject: questions
Ok, since not very much has been said on this list lately, I have some
questions:
Why is the band called "The Charlatans" ?
For that matter, why were the first three albuums named as they were -
"Some Friendly", "Between 10th and 11th", and "Up to our hips" ?
Was the song "Between 10th and 11th" ever released as a single?
and, I still haven't got an answer to the question:
Who is Day? (That name appears on the "The Only One I Know" single taking
credit for the writing of the 4 songs along with Blunt, Brookes, Burgess,
and Collins, instead of Baker's. My guess is that it's Baker's other
name...I don't know...)
"I can't even be bothered, energy breaks me down..."
Krassi
P.S. Happy Birthday to John Squire! I've got too much respect for this
genius!.....
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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:45:13 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: questions
Well, let's talk Charlatans now instead of everything else:
I guess many of you already know this, but it seems like Rob Collins did drive
the getaway car after the armed robber, knowing about what was happening right
from the start. I read in Sky magazine and in Q or something where Tim Burgess
admits what really happened. It also seemed like Tim wasn't too happy about
it, and therefore didn't visit Rob once when he was in prison. Tim said he
loved Rob now, though.
..who is Day? I've been wondering about that myself. Because on the Some
Friendly CD, the name Day isn't mentioned under The Only One I Know. I first
thought it was the former singer & guitarist's name, but his name wasn't Day
after all. I think you maybe have got the answer Krassi, that Jon Baker also
had another name, Day. It's hard to tell..
I don't think that "Between 10th & 11th" was ever released as a single. Not
official anyway. I may be wrong, but I have never heard that song being
officially released in anything but the Isolation LP.
Now, why is the third album called Up To Our Hips. I read in 109 a few years
ago, just before Rob went to prison, about the song Up To Our Hips. At that
time Tim wanted to call the album "Hair" or something like that. Anyway, they
supposedly came up with the title Up To Our Hips first, and then decided to
make a song with that title. They thought it was catchy, I guess. I remember
reading about that song becoming a single, but then Rob went to jail, and
everything took a bit more time than expected. I then read at the time of Up
To Our Hips' release, that they thought the title Up To Our Hips did describe
how it had been recording that album. It wasn't meant like that in the first
place, but Tim said they were up to their hips in shit and problems, so the
title got a deeper meaning.
I don't about the other titles, though. But "Between 10th & 11th" is a very
cool name for an album title I think. When I first read that they were going
to release Between 10th & 11th in Melody Maker, I thought they meant the new
album was going to be realeased between the 10th & 11ht of March (I think it
was around that time). It was close, though....
Cheers
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Date: 25 Nov 95 15:06
From: M.J.Wilson@physics.salford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: who is Day ?
Ah,
one of the great Charlatans mysteries. I don't know if I should pass
on my knowledge or not. I quite like the idea of bands having a bit of
a mysterious past. And, hopefully I won't offend anyone here, but
these are among the few things that us long-time fans have to remind
us that we've been there, done that and just know. On the other hand
we only know because we've asked Martin Blunt ! I'll just say it's
something to do with those big influences on the band in the early
days The Prisoners.
There we go. Is that what mailing lists are for ? A bit of a tease ?
I'll just end by saying that this tour has been the best in years and
last nights gig at the Manchester Apollo was just brilliant. I've
never seen the Charlatans at a festival and so this was the biggest
gig of theirs that I'd seen in ages. So many people and the band
deserve every bit of their success this year. And they did an encore
after Sproston Green which was such a surprise especially as it was
`Time for Living' off the Help album. I only wish I'd spoken to one of
the band backstage or at the hotel (just thought I'd drop that in !!)
to tell them but I think they know that it's been good.
As the song goes `This will be our year (it took a long time to come)'
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Date: 25 Nov 1995 11:47:47 +0100
From: "Eugene Unger" <eunger@sctcorp.com>
Subject: Re: Answer - Between 10th&11
The title for the second LP, "Between 10th&11th" was named after the
location of a NYC club called 'The Marquee', where the Charlatans played one
of their first North American shows in October 1990.
The club no longer exists , but during the early 90's it hosted many
first shows for numerous British bands (Blur, House of Love, Wedding
Present...)
Eugene
#000#
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 20:49:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: easy life....
Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone has the ltd editiion "i Never Want An Easy Life
If Me And He Were Ever
To Get There" single? it comes in a box with 3 postcards....it was released
March 7, 1994 and was deleted March 12, 1994. Does anyone have/seen it and
if so what is it's value and how many were actually made?
Thanks.
Cheers,
Nicole
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:05:49 +0000
From: Robin <ceercs@cee.hw.ac.uk>
Subject: Easy Life
I've got the boxed Easy life CD, and what a bargain it was. The number of
mine is about 1000, but I don't know how many were made, although I can
check for tomorrow. I read in a magazine recently that it is worth about =A3=
10
or so!
Cheers
Robin
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:58:56 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: New single?
Hi!
Has anyone heard any new rumours about a new Charlatans single? It was
rumoured that they were going to release Soul Saver soon, but I haven't heard
anything about it since then..
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:20:17 GMT
From: a94cw@alpha2.luton.ac.uk (SHE PHONES A FEW FRIENDS TO FIND OUT WHO'S GOING....)
Subject: saturdays concert
well the concert on saturday was fantastic, Tim was as gorgeous as ever.
Although his voice was slightly shaky in places it didnt make any difference.
its sounds as if they did the same set everywhere and like manchester they did
a second encore with "Time for living"
As far as support goes Mansun were good from what i saw.
Northern uproar-arrogant twats i hate them! Says it all! I was queuing for the
cloakroom when they were on luckily.
To anyone who is seeing the charlies at nottingham on the 9th have a good time
i'll be at the roses all nighter!!!!
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:14:02 +0000
From: Tats <GRAHAMR@ocs2.mis.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Charlatans v Chemical Brothers
I wqas in HMV Edinburgh at lunchtime and noticed an import of the
above.
Does anybody have it?
Is it a USA only release? Is it good?
any info welcome
Tats
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:05:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Richard Volney Taylor <rvt5y@watt.seas.virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: Charlatans v Chemical Brothers
According to Tats:
>
> Does anybody have it?
>
> Is it a USA only release? Is it good?
I have the Charlatans UK vs. The Chemical Brothers. It's a
good collection, although if you already have Just When You're
Thinkin' Things Over single, you've already got one of the four
tracks.
There are three versions of Toothache -- the "Chemical Mix"
which is the same as the JWYTTO single, the "Dub Mix" (or
whatever it's called) which is a longer remix, and an
insturmental of the first mix. The Nine Acre Court remix,
which rounds out the collection, is very nice.
I wish more was included though, because you really only end up
with two tracks. Since it is a North American collection, they
should have at least included the Dust Bros. mix of Patrol. Oh
well. No one (at least not me) ever accused the U.S. arm of
Beggars Banquet of knowing how to market the Charlatans in the
U.S.
-Rich
P.S. I'm extremely jealous of all you folks in the UK. I saw
the Charlatans for the second time in Washington, D.C. back in
September and I would love to see them again. Enjoy their
awesome live show!!
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: niconstandis@vaxsar.vassar.edu (nicole constandis)
Subject: touring
Does anyone know if the Charlies will be touring in '96? or was this a one
shot deal?
cheers
nicole
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:18:56 +0100
From: Eirik Gudmundsen <eirikg@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Charlatans v Chemical Brothers
> I wqas in HMV Edinburgh at lunchtime and noticed an import of the =
> above.
> Does anybody have it?
> Is it a USA only release? Is it good?
> any info welcome
> Tats
Hi! I've got that release on CD myself. I agree with Richard that it's a
little bit sad with those three almost similar remixes of Toothache. But the
remix of Nine Acre Court is really good! I'm happy I bought it, but then I buy
everything by The Charlatans I don't have. It is a US release only, so it
might be a little of a collectors item in UK and Europe..
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:02:38 -0500
From: "James D. Lowe" <JLOWE@central.georcoll.on.ca>
Subject: Re: touring
> Does anyone know if the Charlies will be touring in '96? or was this a one
> shot deal?
They've been in Toronto for two years straight...I guess it depends on
whether or not they release a new album.
jim
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:31:10 GMT
From: mark@yacc.co.uk
Subject: Re[2]: touring
>They've been in Toronto for two years straight...I guess it depends on
>whether or not they release a new album.
I read in an interview in MM that when they finished Up to Our Hips they didn't
feel the album had been up to their best and started recording Charlatans
almost straight away. When they finished that Tim felt they had exhausted all
their best ideas and were therefore very happy with the album. I therefore
can't really see them releasing any new albums for the next 12 months,
especially as no recording will be taking place whilst they are still touring.
Mark K.
mark@yacc.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:59:54 +0000 (GMT)
From: "D.H.Gregory" <dhg195@soton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: touring
dear all,
i went to see the charlies in southampton last tuesday and they were superb,
the crowd was really good and i enjoyed the fact it wasn't too packed together
and everyone had the chance to dance if they wanted not just to jump
vertically up and down !
unfortuanately, they didn't play "time for living" as a second encore which
was a bit disappointing but was made up by these best bits :
1. organ sound on "jwytto" and "tell everyone" was tops.
2. tim worshipping martin at the start of sproston green
3. crowd going wild to chemical brothers before start of gig
4. sproston green was better than ever ( shame some people in crowd didn't
know what it was )
anyway, it was a smashing time enjoyed by all.
lots of love, dan.
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:16:34 GMT
From: campbell colin <ccampbel@geology.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: easy life....
i have one but i cant tell you what its worth
do you want one?
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:13:52 -0500
From: lwminton@COLBY.EDU (Lee W. Minton)
Subject: Re: easy life....
I got a used one this weekend at a used CD store in Philadelphia for $8.99!!!!!
I don;t know if that sheds any light on anything.
-LM
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:15:35 MST
From: MERRILEE WOLSEY <wolsmr@hg.uleth.ca>
Subject: Re: easy life....
8.99 doesn't really shed any light. when you don't get the the nifty little box
and the priceless postcards that come with it! i got mine for @ $13 can.
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 18:10:14 -0500
From: Balluff@aol.com
Subject: Wierdo CD wanted
Lo, my Wierdo CD single has gone on permanent holiday and seems to be gone.
In addition, my efforts to find another in record stores here in Los Angeles
have proven unsuccessful.
If anyone out there has an extra or knows where I could find one, I'd be
greatly obliged.
Thanks,
Kevin
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