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~ WELCOME TO GEnieLamp Atari ~
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~ The Editor's Desk: Happy 10th Anniversary TOS 1.0 ~
~ A Visit to the Sports RoundTable ~
~ Monthly Review of New Library Uploads ~
~ Monthly Analysis of High Tech Stocks ~
~ Online Communications: Case of the Webbed Tenant ~
~ Opposing Viewpoints: Digital Publishing ~
~ Software Reviews ~ Humor Online ~ Press Releases ~ and More!! ~
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GEnieLamp Atari ~ A T/TalkNET Publication ~ Vol.6, Issue 86
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Publisher.................................................John F. Peters
Editor...............................................Sheldon H. Winick
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by Sheldon H. Winick
[GELAMP.ST]
I was recently reminded by Keith Gerdes that TOS 1.0 will be celebrating
its 10th anniversary this month -- November 20th to be exact. Those of you
who can remember back that far will recall that the original Atari ST
actually preceded TOS 1.0 by several months.
Atari, under the control of Warner Communications in the early 80's, had
grown into one of the most well-known brand names in the world, then
withered as both the electronic home entertainment industry and the general
economy as well declined. Atari was on the verge of bankruptcy when Jack
Tramiel stepped in and arranged a purchase of the Atari computer division
from Warner Communications.
Mr. Tramiel had previously taken Commodore from a small, relatively unknown
company to a leader in the home computer marketplace. After achieving this
major success, he had sold Commodore and gone into retirement. That
retirement proved to be short lived when he took over Atari, and brought to
it new ideas and directions, as well and technologies he had been
developing while still at Commodore. Much of the computer press by that
time had already written off Atari, and Mr. Tramiels early predictions of
new equipment were by and large, considered impossible tasks for a company
on the verge of bankruptcy.
But to everyone's surprise, new equipment did indeed begin appearing. The
Atari 8-bit lineup was given a shot in the arm with the new 130XE, and the
first Atari ST made its debut shortly thereafter. In the rush to get
'something' to the market, the original ST shipped with The Operating
System (TOS) as a disk based image along with internal boot ROMs, which
Atari promised to replace with final form internal ROMs within a short
period of time. Many industry followers doubted the TOS ROM's would ever
actually appear, but in November of 1985, TOS 1.0 made its debut and was
quickly retro-fitted in the early shipments of Atari ST systems.
The first ST's had a strong external resemblance to the 8-bit line, with
external power supplies and disk drive assemblies. The mouse, of course
was a standard feature, however, as was a larger keyboard, complete with
separate numberic keypad and function keys.
I remember first seeing the original 520ST at one of our local Atari user
group meetings here in Asheville. It was an exciting machine with great
potential. Early graphic application software marketed through Antic
Publishing really brought out that potential and offered a lot of hope for
the future. But the user friendly operating system was truly the real star
of its time.
During the past decade, we've seen TOS 1.0 grow into MegaTOS (1.02) and
Rainbow TOS (1.04), leap forward with STe TOS (1.06 and 1.62), then make
larger strides with MegaSTe TOS (2.05 and 2.06) and TT030 TOS (3.x through
3.06). The Falcon debuted with TOS 4.0, which was refined over time into
TOS 4.04. Later versions of TOS were seen by the developer community, but
the last commercial version that actually shipped in systems was 4.04.
The refinements in TOS over the years brought faster processing speed and
additional features, but the user friendly concept originally rolled out
with TOS 1.0 was never abandoned. TOS 1.0 started ot all. Celebrating its
10th anniversary this month is a little bitter-sweet, unfortunately, now
that Atari has abandoned the personal computer marketplace. Those of us
who have been fortunate enough to have owned and enjoyed our Atari
computers will always remember these excellent personal computers that
proved that personal computers can be not only powerful tools, but can also
be user-friendly and fun to use. Happy anniversary TOS!
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The Sports RoundTable
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by Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr.
[LEPULLEY]
"Honey?" [What? My wife is using _that_ word and has _that_ tone in her
voice, but it's 10pm - what could she want at this time of night?]
"Honey, don't you think it's time for us to do our monthly column for
GEnie Lamp? What area are we going to talk about this month?" [Huh?!?
What does she mean by this 'our column' and 'we' stuff? It's _MY_ column!
I think it's time to teach my wife the facts of life.]
"Baby" [No reason to be too harsh on her - not if I don't want to sleep
on the couch tonight.] "I really appreciate the help you gave me on MY
column last month and I'd love to have your help again, but I don't want to
impose on you. I know how busy you are." [There. Did you notice how firm
I was and how I let her know who's column this is?]
"What's that? What area am I going to review this month?" [This requires
some fast thinking if I want to stay out of trouble - and keep the column
to myself.] "Oh, the 'Sports' RoundTable (RT). And I know how much sports
bores you." Argh!! I made a mistake. But maybe she won't catch it. Oh
no, she caught it. <sigh>
"Yes dear, the SPORTS RT is where they talk about professional Wrestling."
[I forgot that some people, including my wife, consider pro wrestling to
be a real sport.] "Yes dear, I'm sure there's an area where they're
talking about 'Big Daddy 'Cool' Diesel'." [A 7 foot monster that my wife
thinks is cute.] "Yes dear, WE will head there right now to see what's
happening in the pro wrestling world." [I guess this is going to be a 'we'
column after all. <sigh>]
[My wife just corrected me. She said that 'Big Daddy 'Cool' Diesel' isn't
cute, he's "cool" and good looking.]
Besides pro wrestling, you'll find coverage and discussion about all types
of sports in the SPORTS RT. Whether you're into bowling, soccer or bungee
jumping (yes, some folks consider bungee jumping a sport - I consider it a
weird way to commit suicide <g>), you're sure to find other folks online
with similar interests.
Naturally there's plenty of talk about pro baseball (as I'm writing this,
the Cleveland Indians just won the American League pennant and are going
to the World Series for the first time since 1954), but also discussions
about minor league, college and amateur baseball.
And while baseball is nice, what does the smell of burning leaves, the
sight of frost on the pumpkin, and the feel of jack-frost nipping at your
nose remind you of? I don't know about you, but to me that means IT'S
FOOTBALL TIME!! And believe me, there's enough football talk in the SPORTS
RT to make even the most avid football fan happy. (Everyone expected the
Dallas Cowboys to be 6-1 (or better) at this time of year, but who would
have dreamed the St Louis Rams or that Buffalo Bills would have 5-1 starts.
Or, who's really number 1 in college football? Florida State, who hasn't
had that tough of a schedule? Nebraska, who still has Kansas, Kansas
State, Colorado and Oklahoma (all top-20 teams) to play? Or Ohio, who has
played more top-20 teams (so far) than Nebraska or Florida?)
Naturally, if football season's here, that means that basketball season
can't be too far behind. And the discussion on the SPORTS RT proves that.
There is plenty of discussion on both pro (both NBA and CBA) and college
basketball. (Can Michael Jorden keep Dennis Rodman in control and will
Rodman be the missing ingredient in the Bull's quest to return to the top
of the heap?) Do you want to talk about trades, rumors, or find out which
players are injured? This is the place to go.
Hockey? Boy, do they have discussions about hockey! Before I reviewed
this RT I never dreamed there were so many hockey leagues and teams.
There's the NHL (National Hockey League) where the 'big boys' play. And
then there's the IHL (International Hockey League), the CHL (Central Hockey
League), the AHL (American Hockey League) and many other minor and junior
leagues. Not only that, but did you know there was a RHI (Roller Hockey
International)? I didn't before I logged on here.
No matter what team sport you might like, soccer (all types), volleyball,
cricket, etc., there's discussion somewhere on the SPORTS RT about it.
But the SPORTS RT doesn't limit itself just to team sports, there's heavy
coverage of other sports there too. Are you into auto racing? They have a
whole category (CAT) devoted to nothing but auto racing. Hot Rods, NASCAR,
Indy Cars, Formula One's, etc. Not only is the discussion about the cars,
but the folks there also talk about the drivers, the teams supporting them
and the different tracks.
Are you into the 'Sport of Kings'? There's another whole CAT devoted to
nothing but horse racing. The tracks, the trainers, the jockeys, the
horses, the owners, the wagering, and the history of horse racing are all
discussed.
Finally we get to the most important CAT [as far as my wife is concerned].
The SPORTS RT has almost a whole CAT devoted to pro Wrestling. Do you want
to know who's in and who's out? Who's wrestling who? Who's the current
champions? Where they're wrestling this week? It's all here. [Now that
my wife has found this area, I'll never get my computer back.]
There's more, much more, to the SPORTS RT than what I've listed here. They
have areas devoted to Cycling (bicycle and motorcycle), Ice Skating,
Skiing, Karate, Body Building, Golf, Weight Lifting, and 100's of other
sports. Not only that, but they have areas devoted to 'Women in Sports'
and 'Sports Games'. For you folks that like outdoor sports, they have a
whole CAT devoted to you - hiking, backpacking, climbing, fishing, camping,
kayaking, etc.
Have you ever wondered what it would be like if you could setup your own
sports team? Now you can find out. The SPORTS RT is connected to the
'Fantasy Sports Leagues' RT. What's that you ask? I'll let them tell you
about it.
Have you ever wished you could dethrone an owner from a club and run the
show yourself? Well, you can when you participate in a fantasy league.
You run the show, from the ground up. You control your team, whichever
sport the league happens to pertain to, in whatever fashion you see fit;
because it's your team. You draft players, select starting lineups,
place players on waivers, pick up players from waivers, and trade
players to improve your team. With the right mixture of planning,
player moves, and strategy you can make the playoffs and maybe even the
championship!
For every season of the year, we have a fantasy league for you. We
currently have five types of leagues that are run annually. The sports
that are covered are: Football (FFL), Baseball (FBL & HSL), Basketball
(FBBL), and Hockey (HFL). You can find more information about these
leagues in the BB [SPORTS RT bulletin board] in the appropriate category
and TOPic. Our leagues have been very successful and they are really a
lot of fun!
The SPORTS RT has five different organized Real Time Conferences (RTC's)
every week. (A RTC is where you chat with the other people online 'in
real time' - just like you do over the phone. You don't leave a message
and wait until the next day to get a reply. The other people are online at
the same time you are and are replying immediately.) They have the...
This week in Sports - Saturdays at 6pm Eastern
Hockey conference - Sundays at 9pm Eastern
Baseball conference - Mondays at 9pm Eastern
Soccer conference - Tuesdays at 10pm Eastern
Football conference - Wednesdays at 9pm Eastern
To get to the SPORTS RT, simply do a 'M 215' (Move to area 215). To get
to the 'Fantasy Sports League' RT, do a 'M 421' (Move to area 421). If
you're using Aladdin, simply add those numbers to your RT configuration.
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MEL'S MANOR /
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ST Aladdin 1.8
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by Mel Motogawa
[M.MOTOGAWA]
Wow, can you believe it? The other day ST Aladdin 1.8 was released and I
was quite dumbfounded. For as long as I can remember the ST version of
Aladdin has always had a version number lower than the PC version,
currently at 1.72. Now, with the introduction of ST Aladdin 1.8, we've
finally leapfrogged over the PC version's version number. How long that
will last, I don't know, but it was an eye-opener for me.
Thar She Blows!: In case you haven't downloaded it yet, you really owe it
"""""""""""""""" to yourself to get over to the ST Aladdin Roundtable and
download this beauty. It's file #372 in Library 1 last time I checked.
The improvements over 1.62 will leave you with tears of joy and bring new
zest into your GEnie browsing.
Grabbing Some Z's: One thing that's always been painful in previous
"""""""""""""""""" versions of Aladdin was the limitation of having to
upload files using Xmodem. Every time I've had to do this, I felt like
being in the dark ages of online file transfers. With Zmodem uploading
being supported now, you can zing files up to GEnie as fast as your modem
and node can take them. I think we'll see an increase in the monthly
amount of files uploaded to the file libraries once everyone is using 1.8.
I think Zmodem uploading in ST Aladdin is one of the best enhancements in a
long time.
Sprintnet: With Sprintnet nodes coming into widespread use (other online
"""""""""" services use them too), I'm glad to see that ST Aladdin can be
set up to use your local Sprintnet node with ease. I did have to hack my
script a tad, but once done it was just set it and forget it.
There are many more enhancements in ST Aladdin 1.8 as well as bug fixes.
Be sure to download it soon and start enjoying all of the terrific
enhancements.
And Don't Forget Load Aladdin: One thing that's also very sweet is that
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Keith Gerdes of Trace Technologies has
been right there offering Load Aladdin to help you get the most from ST
Aladdin. Demonstrating his typical strong support, he had a version 2.1
ready right away when ST Aladdin 1.8 came out. Among the myriad of nifty
features it offers is an intriguing option to turn off the output of text
in the Terminal screen of ST Aladdin while you're online. I've seen this
sort of functionality offered in other online service's front ends and it's
supposed to speed up your session since text doesn't have to get printed to
the screen. Anything that gets me on and off quicker is alright in my
book. Why not try out the Load Aladdin demo today? It's file #37157.
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THE FUTURE OF TOS COMPUTING /
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GEnie Real Time Conference
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by Michael J. Hebert
[ST.PAPA]
The following is an edited transcript of the "Future of TOS Computing" Real
Time Conference held on October 18, 1995.
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<Papa> OK folks, I would like to thank Dave Troy of Toad Computers, Chris
Krowchuk of Computer Direct, and Sheldon Winick of Computer Studio
to the "Future of TOS Computing" RTC.
<Papa> Darek Mihocka may not be able to be present this evening but I will
be setting up a separate RTC with him for the GEMulator. In the
meantime I am sure that Dave, Chris and Sheldon will be able to
answer most questions about the GEMulator.
<Papa> Standby while I send their opening remarks...
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Computer Direct Opening Statement for Oct. 16 RTC / GEnie.
Welcome to the "Future of TOS Computing RTC" and many thanks to Papa and
the GEnie crew for all their hardwork and dedication to make this a
happening place to be tonight! As well I would like to thank all of the
participants in tonight's RTC for taking the time to express their views,
opinions and even concerns.
Computer Direct is proud to be involved in the Atari community. Atari
users are a vibrant, dedicated group. Your vitality and desire to see the
survival of this platform is exciting indeed. Loosely termed by the general
industry as an orphan platform, or an abondoned platform, Atari users have
shown us that there is indeed a "Future of TOS".
Many people lament the loss of Atari as computer developers. Personally, I
don't. Atari users are more fortunate than ever with the choices they now
have for operating systems such as MagiC and third party developments such
as the Medusa040, Eagle, C-Lab Falcon MK I and II and Computer Direct's
very own DirecT30, TT compatible, and our soon to be released Falcon
compatibles.
Due to the dedication of developers like Branch Always, Atari software can
run at a decent speed on any 486 or Pentium computer. Or if you need a
really fast and powerful system, MagiCMac is incredibly stable, compatible
and the speed is nothing short of amazing.
European developments are making their way into the North American market
as well. Products such as the T28 and T36, awesome 68000 accelerators,
will give your existing machine new vitality. The PAK 68/3 (68030-50MHz)
is a rock solid accelerator that can turn your MegaST/e, 520/1040 ST/e into
a turbo charged rocket! Faster than a TT and very compatible, this is a
product worth looking into.
It definetly looks like "TOS computing" will survive with or without Atari!
For my part this evening, I will try to answer any questions on the range
of products that we manufacture or distribute including:
MagiC, MagiCMac, Ease, Kobold, NVDI, HD Driver, DA's Picture, DA's Layout,
DA's Vector/Pro, GT Look II / Epson Flatbed Scanners, DA's Repro, High
Density Kit, HSSP (High Speed Serial Port), SideWinder Tower Kit, PAK 68/3,
DirecT30 and our new Falcon comapatible.
Thank you Atarians for keeping the "Future of TOS" alive!
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Joining us tonight is David Troy of Toad Computers. Toad Computers is the
U.S. distributor for MagiCMac and the C-Lab Falcon MK-I and MK-II
computers. Both products are going to play a vital role in "The Future of
TOS Computing."
MagiCMac allows any 68030/040 based Macintosh to run Atari ST GEM and TOS
software at speeds that are unequaled on any ST or TT. A 25MHz 68040 runs
four times faster than a Falcon030. A Power PC version of MagiCMac will be
available as an upgrade in about three months, and it even works with
Connectix Corp's Speed Doubler -- the acclaimed 680x0 emulation accelerator
for Power Macs running System 7.51. MagiCMac also works with NVDI for
MagiCMac to provide unparalleled screen acceleration. MagiCMac sells for
$229 and is available from Toad Computers at (800) 448-8623.
The C-Lab Falcon030 is the next generation of Atari Falcon computers. The
C-Lab Falcon MK-I is a standard Atari Falcon, optimized for use with Cubase
Audio and other direct-to-disk recording packages. The C-Lab Falcon MK-II
includes an internal SCSI bus with hard disk sizes of up to 811MB. Both
machines can be bundled with Cubase Audio for just $399 extra. The C-Lab
Falcon starts at just $799 and is available from Toad Computers at (800)
448-8623.
Dave Troy is co-owner of Toad Computers, which was started in 1986. Toad
Computers is now one of the largest Atari dealers in the world. They print
a 56-page catalog semi-annually. Toad Computers recently became connected
to the Internet via a high-speed T-1 line (1.54Mbps) and has had a web page
for online ordering and product information for over a year. The web page
can be reached at "http://www.toad.net". They can be reached via email at
"info@toad.net", and orders can be placed on their toll-free order line
(accessible from the U.S. and Canada) at (800) 448-8623.
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Sheldon Winick is the owner of Computer Studio, an Asheville, North
Carolina based full-service Atari dealership he opened in 1988. He is also
the current Editor of GEnieLamp/Atari magazine and can be regularly found
in GEnie's Atari Roundtable.
In addition, he is a registered architect who has been in private practice
since 1971. He holds architectural registrations in North Carolina,
Florida, Tennessee and Colorado, as well as a national NCARB certificate.
He uses Atari computer equipment exclusively in his architectural practice,
for everything from basic word processing and record-keeping to
presentation and Computer Aided Design and Drafting (CADD) applications.
With Atari no longer shipping personal computer products, Computer Studio
has been concentrating on supporting the existing Atari user base as well
as the new Atari users who are purchasing or being given the older Atari
systems that are being retired by their former owners, as those former
owners move on to more contemporary equipment.
Introductory Comments ---
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While many of us may have outgrown our old 520 and 1040ST systems, they
still offer to new users the same power and excitement they gave us when
they were new; and many long-time Atari users are taking advantage of
current market conditions to move up to Mega ST, MegaSTe or TT030 Atari
systems through available bargains on the used marked.
With current prices for used Atari systems at their lowest ever, many
people who up until now couldn't affort a personal computer system, are now
taking that step. They are discovering all the wonders and thrills that we
discovered through the years. They are discovering how user-friendly Atari
systems can become useful tools for their personal and business needs.
They are discovering the wonderful array of educational software for their
children and a wealth of recreational software as well. They are
discovering the world of telecommunications, electronic mail and electronic
bulletin boards.
These used and recycled Atari computers are definitely a current factor to
be considered in the future of TOS computers. With TOS 1.0 celebrating its
10th anniversary next month, its interesting to note how technologically
superior Atari's early systems were compared to their contemporary
alternatives. Even Atari's oldest ST systems are once again proving
themseves to be viable and dependable to yet another generation of new
computer users. Atari's original "Power Without the Price" slogan holds as
much truth and meaning to this new generation of Atarians as it originally
did for us.
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<Dave Troy> Well, I'd like to say it's a pleasure to be here tonight. We
are really excited about some new pricing on the C-Lab Falcons
and the other products we are selling like MagiCMac and
Gemulator and a bunch of new CD's -- you'll hear about those
tomorrow in an upload we will be making tonight, after the RTC.
<Papa> Our first question is from STumped. GA
<STumped> Guys, I finally got the new webbrowser to work on my Falcon, but
have been having many crashes and cannot seem to see any pages
that need me to type...such as YAhoo. Am I doing something wrong
with this? GA
<Papa> Can you field that one, Chris?
<Chris @ Computer Direct> I can try to First of all, the new web browser I
take it is the CAB?
<STumped> Yes 1.06
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Well, that looks promising I must say.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> The first question you had about crashes etc. It
is well known that it is buggy. It is after all
fairly young in dev and it is freeware! I am
sure if you send your e-mail to one of the folks
involved on this project they will appreciate
your feedback
<STumped> I understand that, but dont understand why I'm unable to type
anything on a Search line.
<STumped> Ok... Thanks :)
<Chris @ Computer Direct> As far as the Yahoo page, the CAB version
currently does not support forms. Forms are
a function of the "not yet standard"
Netscape browser. CAB will according to the
authours support forms soon.
<STumped> I appreciate your help and will wait for the new releases :) GA
<Chris @ Computer Direct> We look forward to this as we are receiving many
orders from Atari users worldwide on our web
site, the forms make it easier for users to order
and us to ship
<Papa> OK folks, it would help if you could direct your questions to the
person you would like to respond.
<Papa> Mike Allen is next up..GA
<Mike> Chris - you have mentioned (in passing) in the BB a TT clone that
you are marketing. I wonder if you could give a little more info -
specs, price, compatability, etc?
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Sure! The DirecT30 is a tower installed enhanced
TT030 with a PC style keyboard. It has all the
standard Atari ports and lotsa room for
expansion. When we first started developing this
package TT's were still available from Sunnyvale.
Our system was about 25% cheaper than the real
thing and offered more expandibility in one neat
littl <well not so little> package. DirecT30's
are still available and we plan on expanding the
line up. Do you need further specs etc.?
<Mike> I heard that it uses real TT motherboards accelerated. True? ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> That is true, we use genuine motherboards for
genuine compatibility, also they are new boards,
not used therefore have full warrranty. Pricing
on a basic unit 2MB is 1599.99 CDN
<Mike> Neat - that's enough for now. Thank. ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Thank you!
<Papa> Now ... Brian has a question...
<Brian> What about games and the emulators? Can I use my STE games on
either MagicMac or Gemulator? What price will the PowerMac
emulator be? (for Chris)
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Hi Brian! Games, Games and Games!
<Chris @ Computer Direct> I really don't play games, we are pretty serious
up here! <g> The only games I have tried are
Shanghai, Mine Sweeper and a couple of others
Most games use their own VDI and access the
hardware directly, this can be a problem as both
Gemulator and MagiCMac don't like this. Heck,
even TT's and Falcon's have trouble with STE
games for this very reason. If you have a Mac or
a PC, why not use them for games <g> I mean that
is what they are for, right?!
<Chris @ Computer Direct> PowerMac emulator, not an emulator, a real OS.
It will be the same price as MagiCMac, I have a
copy and it looks real good, should be released
any day now! 319.99 CDN. Free shipping!
<Papa> Dave, would you like to add anything?
<Dave Troy> We've tried several GEM based games on the Gemulator and
MagiCMac, and those work OK. But the more traditional games,
like Lemmings, Civilization, Frontier. Elite 2 do not work
because they access the hardware directly.
<Dave Troy> As for MagiCMac PPC, we were at the MacWorld Expo show in
Frankfurt Germany last week and we are getting the PPC version
in approximately 10 days.
<Dave Troy> If you are interested in placing an order, you can do so now,
and it is $229 U.S. It looks like we will be able to include
both the PPC version and the 040 version together, but this is
not definite yet. This way, no matter what machine you have
you are covered. ga
<Papa> And now on to Dan McAndrew...
<Dan McAndrew> Danke, PAPA.
<Dan McAndrew> Thanks that is, anyway, to all/any who can answer this one
has anyone been able to get Neodesk 4 to work with Gemulator
I have not at this point. Any details perhaps a email be
better than answering here. ???
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Sorry I can't answer that one, we don't sell
Gemulator
<Dave Troy> Yeah, I have no reason to believe it wouldn't. Send Darek
email or we can check with Gribnif/Darek for you. They are
both easily accessible via email.
<Dan McAndrew> sounds good to me
<Papa> Darek's GEmail address is BRASOFT, Dan.
<Dave Troy> great! let me know. quickest way to reach me is at dave@toad.net.
<Dan McAndrew> will do, also one last point
<Dan McAndrew> I recently read the PPC is under redesign and will differ
architecturally from previous. Comments??
<Dave Troy> That could be. This should not affect the MagiCMac operation
however because the PPC version of MagiCMac uses the 020
emulation in System 7.51. (It also works with Connectix's
Speed Doubler for even more performance gain!) Anyway... I
have heard the same things you're talking about and it should
be OK as long as Apple supports it. ;)
<Dan McAndrew> Excellent. I'm done for now. Thanks guys
<Papa> ...and now for a query from Floating Fish Studios.
<Floating Fish Studios> Dave - Do the new C-LAB Falcons come with TOS 4.04
and do you know if their (C-LAB) licensing
agreement allows them to further develop TOS? GA
<Dave Troy> They do come with TOS 4.04, and I believe that their licensing
agreement does allow for future TOS development.
<Floating Fish Studios> Do you foresee any such development? ga
<Dave Troy> They are probably not going to mess with TOS -- I mean why mess
with what is working with all existing software -- we all know
what that does. But C-Lab has been very responsive and we have
enjoyed working with them.
<Floating Fish Studios> Point well taken -- I'll sit down now. ga
<Papa> Mike Allen is back with another question, GA.
<Mike> Dunno to whom I should address this.
<Mike> Jim Allen had, at one time, designed a memory board for the MegaSTe
that would add TT style memory. I heard that he had sold the design
to Best. However it doesn't seem to ever have been manufactured.
I'm sure that there are other MSTe owners besides me who would love
to expand the MSTe memory. Does anyone know of any efforts to get
this (or another) board to the market?
<Dave Troy> I think the board to which you are referring is the Marpet 8MB
board for the Mega ST. That board is being sold by Best and us
as well, and we have actually gotten it to work reliably (after
many trials with different software patches, etc). It is a
very good board. (Marpet are the same folks who make the XTRA
RAM Deluxe). As for the Mega STE board, it is possible that
Jim may have made up a board, but Jim has never had a very good
track record for delivering product, and Best really has not
done much manufacturing of high-level boards, so I am guessing
that you are working on a conglomeration of a couple of rumors.
ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> The PAK 68/3 board also has an optional TT style
memory expansion. It is rock solid and very fast
<Papa> Sheldon, do you have anything to add?
<Sheldon> Looks like the questions are being handled pretty well.
<Mike> Nope - not the Marpet. Different board. I was hoping for just
memory expansion. Ah well, thanks folks - done here. ga
<Papa> OK, let's move on now to John Brenner GA
<John B.> I am still waiting for System Solutions to send me my updated
MagiCmac which was said to be included with my pre release
MagicMac I bought at TAF from Computer Direct. Has anyone
received the new version from simply being registered? GA
<Dave Troy> If you had bought it from us, we could do it for you. ga
<Dave Troy> But that's another story... :)
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Hi John, as we discussed in e-mail earlier, we
are offering free upgrades to the v1.2.2 for our
customers and anyone else for that matter.
<John B.> Hi Chris, Computer Direct also offered to send it to me. That is
not the question. I'm wondering if anyone has gotten it from
Europe. That is what my purchase agreement stated. I was just
curious how they were handling it.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> The upgrade that was packaged in at TAF, is the
full manual and since it is still not ready, you
will still receive that as well
<John B.> Ah! the manual is not ready. I see. Thanks. I'll keep quiet now!
;-)
<Chris @ Computer Direct> When the manual is finished. That upgrade is
coming directly from System Solutions. In the
meantime, we will continue to offer inter-version
upgrades as they become available.
<Papa> Now it's time for a question from Jeffrey, GA
<Jeffrey> First question is to Sheldon - Is there or will there be a
Win95 version of Calamus? Will the NT version run under
Win95?
<Sheldon> Actually, Nathan is the one to ask that question of, but from
what I understand, he's going to be sticking with the Windows/NT
version only for the time being. I don't believe the NT version
will work under Win95.
<Jeffrey> Sorry...but thanks.
<Dave Troy> It doesn't -- I tried. ;-)
<Papa> Moving on now to Brian...GA
<Brian> Do any of you think Atari will re-enter the computer market? The
report of the Atari Microbox-68060-Pentium in Atari St Nieuws
sounds interesting. <g>
<Dave Troy> I guess nothing is impossible but I think the company is really
aiming straight ahead with the Jaguar and not looking back.
They have had to focus their efforts and really define who they
are as a company and I think getting into the computer market
-- which, let's face it is cutthroat as anything out there --
would be a misstep for them now. But if the dynamics change I
guess I wouldn't put it past them -- they are always ones to
watch out for lapses/gaps in technology, and if they think they
can sell a product in a big way in a mass market, I think they
would jump on the chance. It's just for that to succeed right
now it would have to be a $250 Pentium machine or a $400 68060
machine, and that just isn't going to be forthcoming.
<Sheldon> When you're dealing with the Tramiels, anything is possible.
They can change their minds and directions at a moments notice.
For the time being though, I seriously doubt it. They seemed to
go out of their way to burn all their bridges behind them as
they exited the personal computer marketplace. ga
<Papa> Chris, what do you have to say about the MicroBox...is it real?
<Chris @ Computer Direct> I agree, one thing I have learned in the Computer
Industry, is that things change rapidly. At this
time though, I doubt Atari would be putting any
resources into a new computer.
<Brian> Thanks
<Papa> Back again to Dan McAndrew...GA
<Dan McAndrew> My Q is: what seems to be the future for GUI alternative
OS's for us (or anyone)?? Such as Omen or OpenDirect or
anything like that for TOS??? ga
<Papa> Chris?
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Hi Dan.
<Dan McAndrew> Hello Chris, scanner works great btw... ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> One of the problems with new alternative OS's is
that software has to be developed for them and
this is where the open systems really could
shine. ga
<Dan McAndrew> I guess I ask because I heard of Omen awhile ago but nothing
since. ga
<Sheldon> The GUI has pretty much established itself as the user interface
of choice for the near future. Its being used even by Microsoft
in Win95 and NT. The Mac obviously uses a GUI and the various
Atari emulator software such as MagicMac and others are also
based on the TOS GUI.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> OMEN is neat but they really need dvelopers to
put together some ground breaking apps ga now!
<Dave Troy> There is an article about Omen in the latest Atari World or ST
Format -- I can't remember which now.
<Dan McAndrew> fair enough, ga
<Papa> Do any of you gentlemen think Unix/Xwindows has a chance?
<Dave Troy> Definitely! We are using it with Linux & an SGI box on our
internet servers and it works great! It is _much_ faster than
Windows 95 or NT. BTW -- I have the 95 front end for NT and it
works great. It is available for download from microsoft ftp.
<Dan McAndrew> As an aside, I heard that Win NT will be getting the WIN95
front end next year, ga & done
<Chris @ Computer Direct> I agree with Dave, Linux is really cooking right
now, we will have a GEM Linux installation CD ROM
for Falcon/TT next week. ga
<Dave Troy> But Unix/X-Windows is going to be with us a long time to come.
And Linux for the Atari is pretty cool. X-Windows in Mono &
color!!
<Sheldon> Unix/Xwindows still has a limited market appeal, though. I
can't imagine it actually developing a large market share,
although it definitely offers increased processing power to
existing Atari systems. ga
<Dave Troy> Well, I don't think Unix / X-Windows is going to have a huge
base of commercial software, but for Internetworking & other
applications, it's great. We use it for sending & receiving
faxes for our network and it is a lot cheaper than Winfax:
it's all free software. ga
<Papa> Now a question from Jeffrey....
<Jeffrey> Chris - When will Kobold 3 and MagiC 3 be available? What new
features are being added? GA
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Hi Jeffery.
<Jeffrey> Hello!
<Chris @ Computer Direct> MagiC 3 will be shipping 1st week in November, we
are accepting orders now, there will be an
upgrade path as well. Kobold 3 is still a little
further down the pipeline.
<Jeffrey> Details on the upgrade path...
<Chris @ Computer Direct> For the rest of your question <g> MagiC 3 is the
version being used for MagiCMac, minus a couple
of features the Falcon uses.
<Dave Troy> We are hearing a little later on Magic 3 right now. The guys
in Germany say it's not totally ready for English translation,
but it should definitely be in November.
<Jeffrey> How does it compare feature wise with Geneva?
<Dave Troy> It's not terribly different from Magic 2 -- and it's a
completely different concept. Rather than replace just the AES,
it replaces the whole OS. And it is Falcon compatible.
<Papa> Now it's Mike's turn again.
<Mike> Since I see Tim Purves here, I'll throw this one out. To many
(most?) of us here on GEnie, compatability with ST Aladdin is almost
a requirement for any Atari emulator. There have been various
stories floating around about the working/nonworking of Aladdin with
Gemulator/MagicMac. Can anyone put these rumors to bed?
<Mike> The new version, of course, 1.80!
<Chris @ Computer Direct> I almost had it working tonite.
<Dave Troy> It does work with MagiCMac...I am not sure on Gemulator.
Again, best to check with Darek. ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Problems with keyboard mapping though
<Dave Troy> There should soon be a U.S. keyboard map version of MagiCMac
which will eliminate any need for remappers, etc. and should
fix problems like that. ga
<Papa> What about it Tim?
<Tim> I do not have access to a GEMULATOR, or a Magic Mac, So I can offer
no insite. However I will be willing to work with the vendors to
make them work if practical. (Using Procom for Windows, it's chat
buffer stinks)
<Mike> Should be using ST or AMI Aladdin, Tim. It's great. ga
<Papa> OK let's move on to another question from STumped.
<STumped> This question is for Dave. I see that you seem to know a bit
about Linux. I was wondering how well it works on Atari
computers in general and my Falcon specifically? Chris, will the
CD be a straight forward installation?
<Dave Troy> Well, Linux is definitely somewhere between alpha and beta
stages right now. On the PC, it is a real, viable, finished
and FREE operating system. You will want to have 14MB of RAM
if possible, particularly if you want to run X-Windows. The CD
does allow for a straight forward installation but I would
recommend that you allocate a separate hard disk for the job as
playing around with any new operating system can be a bit
trying. But it does work well. I haave been really impressed
with it.
<STumped> Would I need a FPU since I currently do not have one? GA
<Dave Troy> Right now you need an FPU. We have them if you need one. Send
me email and we can get you set up. ga
<STumped> Thanks guy, I'm finished GA
<Papa> Mr. Carl Barron is next...GA
<Carl> On this ppc 'emulator' Which of the following does not work
Lattice C, Mint Mintnet, Pagestrem ,Migraphs OCR, Image copy,
Geneva mtos, dynacadd? Any special ppc model required
<Dave Troy> I think you should be OK with Lattice C, pagestream is OK, OCR
is OK, ImageCopy is OK, Geneva NO, MTOS NO, Dynacadd will have
problems without the hardware key. No special PPC model is
required. Any Apple PPC Mac will work as of this writing. ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> As well as any PPC clone
<Papa> Now back for another question is Jeffrey. GA
<Jeffrey> MagicMac PPC was mentioned. Can it run native PPC code that runs
under GEM or must you write 680x0 code that is emulated? If it
can run native, is there a cross compiler for the C language
being worked on or available?
<Dave Troy> Right now it has to run everything through emulation. It is
possible that it would be viable to exit out to native PPC
code, but that is not likely to be forthcoming. Again, it
should be noted that MagiCMac PPC does work with Connectix's
Speed Doubler, so it's even faster still in that scenario. And
it also has NVDI for MagiCMac available, making it faster
again. Anything that improves the emulation will make MagiCMac
run even faster. ga
<Jeffrey> So they don't have a native GEM for the PPC, but a GEM emulator
for the PPC.
<Dave Troy> It's a GEM compatible OS for the 020 that runs on the PPC
through emulation of the 020.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Not quite true. What we have is an OS written
for 030/040 Macs, the PPC version will run under
Mac's 68020 emulation routines As Apple increases
the speed of this emulation, MagiCMac will
increase in speed as well.
<Dave Troy> Or just get Speed Doubler and bypass Apple, too. ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> MagiCMac is not an emulator under PPC, it runs in
PPC 68020 emulation. And as Dave pointed out,
third party devs are finding ways to get more
speed out of Apple's emulation code this will
result in a very, very fast OS for Atari users
<Jeffrey> So they wrote the MagicMAC in 020 code so it could run on the
PPC!
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Nope!
<Dave Troy> No, that's just the emulation Apple happens to offer.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> They wrote MagiCMac in machine code for the Apple
030/040 machines.
<Dave Troy> If you run any 680x0 code on a PPC mac, you're running it in
essentially 020 emulation. ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Apple PPC's use emulation to run non-native apps.
<Papa> Back again to Las Cruces for Mr. Mike Allen...
<Mike> Sheldon - I believe you have been pushing for the use of 'recycled'
Ataris. Since we have three of the premier Atari dealers in NA here
I kinda wondered how that effort is going. Is there some kind of a
central clearing house for recycled Ataris?
<Chris @ Computer Direct> blush, gosh golly <g>
<Sheldon> Pretty much any dealer, Mike. Many Atarians are trading in
their older systems, and others are leaving systems at some
dealers on consignment. The advantage of buying from a dealer
is you will be getting a system that has been properly serviced
and set up. And.... probably guaranteed.
<Dave Troy> We offer some of that kind of thing... best way to get a
recycled Atari is to watch dealer ads and to check here on
GEnie, BBS's, Internet, etc. There's a lot of that going
around. ga
<Dave Troy> Plus warranty. ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> And piece of mind. ga
<Mike> Thanks. ga
<Papa> Chris, have you been seeing any sales to _new_ users of MagicMac
systems?
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Yes we have, we set up a complete DTP outfit in
town here just last week with MagiCMac and
several Atari DTP and graphics software. They
could not believe the speed and lower price of
the Atari software. It looks like we will be
setting up a couple more. Since my background is
in the Graphic Arts industry I am able to
demonstrate the power and flexibility of these
systems They especially liked DA's Layout True
Colour!
<Dave Troy> Now that PageStream is just $39, it's hard to argue with a DTP
package that's $39 for the DTP and $229 for the emulator.
That's less than a copy of PageMaker or Quark by a longshot! ga
<Sheldon> And... Calamus 1.09N isn't much more than that either!
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Yeah but Calamus 1.09 does not run on MagiCMac :(
<Papa> Dave, how about GEMulator sales to the PC user base?
<Dave Troy> We have seen enormous response there.
<Dave Troy> GEMulator has been very very successful -- particularly
Gemulator 4 under Windows 95. And Darek I know has things in
the works that will make it even faster for video, perhaps its
biggest weakness right now. But it does work with modem, MIDI,
printer, sound, etc. It's really pretty amazing. ga
<Papa> OK, the curious Mr. Allen is back...GA, Mike
<Mike> As much as we love our TOS and with the availability of GEMulator
and MagicMac to give us other paths to use TOS, it seems to me that
with no new major apps for TOS it is all futile.
<Mike> If TOS is going to continue to be viable, it nees new major apps -
word processors, databases, spread sheets, DTP, CAD, etc. Is there
ANY hint of new things to come?
<Dave Troy> There is a new spreadsheet coming from the folks at Application
Systems Heidelberg called Texel. It looks & acts like Excel --
stay tuned for more info on this coming soon. But you have a
real point. There are not too many new apps coming out for TOS.
However the ones that are out there are going to be at the
state of their respective arts for a good while to come, in
many instances. Not to mention user familiarity, etc. Why
relearn a new package with no new significant features just for
the sake of being on a new OS? ga
<Sheldon> As for DTP and CADD, I think anyone would be hard pressed to find
anything better than Calamus/SL and DynaCADD.
<Papa> Anything to add Chris?
<Chris @ Computer Direct> There are a few new major apps coming however,
how many times can you rework something that is
already real good If all the major apps are
redone to work properly on MMacand Gemulator that
is good news.
<Dave Troy> Most do already anyway. ga
<Mike> Sure would like a WP with a TOC and/or index generator, for
instance. ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Papyrus, TWrite.. both have this don't they?
<Papa> That's right.
<Dave Troy> If you have a Mac or PC and are running TOS, you have other
software choices too. ga
<Mike> Thanks - done. ga
<Papa> Jeffrey has a question...GA, Jeff.
<Jeffrey> Are there any more planned upgrades to STraight Fax. The author
has not been on GEnie in a long time. What's up with it?
<Dave Troy> There is another upgrade planned, and the author is on Genie
fairly frequently ( I know because he sends me email from here
sometimes), but I know he is working on a few changes. There
will be some patches for compatibility with new modems,
specifically Class 2.0 support for the Sportsters. We will
keep you informed. ga
<Papa> OK Sam has his hand raised, GA Sam...
<Sam> Dave, I would suggest a tuturial section in the ST Fax manual.
<Dave Troy> Yes, we have considered something like that. The quick
reference card goes over the fax process in a tutorial kind of
fashion. You might check that out. ga
<Papa> Any more Sam?
<Sam> Do you mean the quick ref. pamphlet? ga
<Dave Troy> Yeah -- it goes over the whole send process in about as much
detail as is possible. ga
<Sam> Have you had any problems with Zoom 28.8 v.34's? ga
<Dave Troy> No, not that I have heard of. They are Rockwell based, just
like the Supra's. They work great. ga
<Sam> Thanks, I'm done. ga
<Papa> Now for Lord Chuck...GA
<Lord Chuck> I got here late, but what, if any, is the status of WWW
software for the Falcon or TT etc.?
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Promising.
<Dave Troy> Get the www107.zip file from the net. It is a complete package
for browsing the web. Still in early stages, though.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> There is also a GEM Linux install CD coming next
week This will allow you to use Netscape for Unix
<Dave Troy> That's not true Chris. ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> It's not?
<Dave Troy> The Linux for Netscape is a binary file compiled for the 486.
They don't have an 030 version. And they aren't giving out the
source (not yet at least...) :) ga
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Oops sorry, Chimera I guess is the browser.
<Lord Chuck> Is it color does it have graphics?
<Dave Troy> Yes the www107 does have color & graphics. Chimera is for
Linux as well as for Mint/MintNet. ga
<Papa> OK Sam has a question...
<Sam> Dave, Is there any hope of an update or rework of Silhouette? ga
<Dave Troy> Nope... Sadly. Tim Reyes was on the Mars observer project, and
then Mars Observer got lost. Tim lost all interest in
programming after that and I am not sure he is still at NASA,
as they are planning to close the Goddard Space Flight
Center
here in the DC area... I haven't heard from him in a year or
so.
<Sam> How about buying the code? How much could he want for it? ga
<Dave Troy> I don't know about the code, the problem is spending the time
necessary to get it to market. Is the market big enough?
Probably not, and from what I personally have seen of his code,
it is pretty hard to follow. (As is most single-programmers'
work.)
<Papa> Dave, do you know if Arabesque 2 will ever be released?
<Dave Troy> I don't know about that one. Better check with Dan Wilga. ga
<Sam> I just though it would be reasonable to build on it. Oh well.... ga
<Papa> OK thank you.
<Dave Troy> Yeah -- Tim did a lot of good work on it but I think at this
point it is just cost-prohibitive. ga
<Papa> Why don't we move on to the door prizes now...
<Papa> Let me think up some good questions...
<Papa> OK first question, for a $20 gift certificate from Carey Cates, is
what town does Mike Allen live in?
<Gary> las cruces
<Mike> Lower Slobovia
<Papa> OK Gary you get the certificate.
<Papa> Hold one...
<Papa> Chris has donated a copy of Rock'n'Roll Clams ... what is the name
of Chris' TT clone system?
<Jeffrey> DirecT30
<Tony> DirecTT
<Carl> DirecTT030
<Papa> Carl got that one! Congrats, Carl.
** <Chris @ Computer Direct> (Sent by 2) sorry Papa it is DirecT30
<Papa> Whoops! Error mode! Sorry, Carl the correct answer was Jeffrey's.
<Papa> Hang one....
<Papa> OK for a T-Shirt from Toad (any size) what processor is Linux
coded for?
<Jeffrey> 030
<Lord Chuck> Unix
<Tony> 486
<Lord Chuck> 486
<Papa> Tony got it.
** <Dave Troy> (Sent by 10) so did Jeffrey -- Linux is for both. We
will give away two t-shirts!
<Papa> And so did Jeffrey...Dave will give away two, count 'em 2,
T-Shirts!!!
<Papa> For the last prize, MailManager Pro from Sheldon, what color are
Papa's eyes?
<Jeffrey> green
<Gary> blue
<Lord Chuck> Hazel
<Mike> black and blue
<Jeffrey> red
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Macadamian'
<Mike> green with envy?
<Papa> Lord Chuck gets it!!!
<Jeffrey> blood-shot
<Sheldon> Fuscia?? <grin>
<Mike> Purple
** <Papa> Room is now listen-only.
<Papa> That shut ya up!!!
<Papa> All right now, let's get some closing comments from our tremendous
guests. Dave you go first...
<Dave Troy> Well, once again, thanks. I enjoyed being here and I think the
most important thing to take away from tonight is that the
present and the future of TOS computing are strong, vibrant and
interesting. Yeah, it's not like other markets, but there's
still a lot of vital work going on. Products like the C-Lab
Falcon MagiCMac and Gemulator will go a long way towards
extending the life of the platform. Anyway, again thanks. ga
<Sheldon> I think it is obvious from tonight's discussion that there is
still a lot of life left in the TOS arena. In addition to the
new Atari 'clone' hardware and software emulators, there are
still plenty of excellent used systems available for Atarians to
upgrade to. Hardware upgrades for existing Atari systems are
also readily available, and there is still a wealth of excellent
software available for most any application requirement.
The real problem is going to be in the long term as developers
begin looking to more lucritive markets for their wares, and the
existing products begin to grow arthritic with age.
The existing Atari hardware itself still has a lot of life left
in it, though, and it should be around for several more years.
I suspect that as current owners needs begin to outgrow these
current systems, they will find their way to a new generation of
computer users who are trying to make-do on a tight budget.
Actually, we're seeing quite a bit of that already with Atari's
early 520 and 1040ST systems.
In any event, as long as we have intelligent users such as those
who attented tonight's RTC, and knowledgeable dealers to support
them, I'm sure we will all find ways to squeeze the most out of
our Atari systems.
Best thing to do if you have a question or need something more
than your current system seems capable of, is to contact a
knowledgeable Atari dealer. If you're not fortunate enough to
live close to an Atari dealer, there are several excellent
dealers here online that can provide very personalized support
through Email.
Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, NC)
<Papa> Thank you Dave and Sheldon.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> The vitality of the Atari market is stil there,
Atari users across N/A are still able to use 8
year old machines. I have found Atari users to
be the most knowledgable bunch of users out
there compared to other platforms, Atari users
find a way to keep using their systems. With
all of the new choices available to them, we
expect to see them for a long time Products like
MagiCMac offer these users a faster more
powerful system to run their existing software
on. Other users that don't need quite as much
speed are interested in the various accelerators
available.
The Falcon MK II and MK I are a welcome sight as
well. We plan on releasing a 'yet to be named'
Direct Bird to follow up on the success of the
DirecT30. These will be available in a few
weeks, the cases are just being finished. We
will be offering these in both Rack style and
Tower Style. The rack style will have an
integrated Mono VGA flat screen that pops out
and folds up out of the rack case for great
portable MIDI and D2D.
We will continue to bring European software in
for Atari users and will continue to support it
with the same energy we have managed to use so
far. All in all, the future looks bright for
Atari users from my perspective. Thank you to
everyone for joining us tonite. We will be
posting a message on GEnie in the next couple of
days in regards to several new products. Stay
tuned!
<Papa> Thank you Chris.
<Papa> For all our lucky winners...send EMail to ST.PAPA, I will see to it
that it gets routed to the proper places.
<Papa> My heartfelt gratitude to our guests, Dave Troy, Sheldon Winick and
Chris Krowchuk for a great RTC ... and also to a cast of great
attendees without whom these RTCs would be no fun at all!
<Papa> The room is now in FRENZY mode!!!!
<Dave Troy> That's the truth! Let's have a hand for Papa!! ga
<Mike> Thanks Dave, Sheldon and Chris for a GREAT RTC. (oh, and you too,
Papa.)
<Mike> clap, clap, clap, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Thanks Mike for asking great questions!
<Gary> Hey Mike, I actually won something!! For knowing your town where i
got my speeding ticket last year!!
<Mike> I was just curious, Chris.
<Jeffrey> I want to thank Dave and Chris in advance for the door prizes I
won. THANKS!!
<Dave Troy> Sure!!
<Chris @ Computer Direct> Enjoy them Jeff!
<Sheldon> Thanks all. Time to call it a night for me. Catch y'all in the
RT or Email. Night all.
<Dave Troy> see ya later Sheldon. Thanks for making it out!!
<Mike> I gotta run folks. I need to use to phone to order se... ooops
pizza.
<Gary> bye mike
<Mike> Been fun.
<Chris @ Computer Direct> see ya Mike, see ya all!
<Dave Troy> See y'all later. It was a lot of fun!!
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/ If we've learned anything in the last 10 years, it /
/ should be that Atari has a real knack for doing the /
/ unexpected. /
/ /
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[PRS]//////////////////////////////
PAPA'S PERSPECTIVE /
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Gathered at the Watering Hole
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
by Michael J. Hebert
[ST.PAPA]
In the early 1980's I was lead technician at a land mobile radio shop. We
maintained close to a thousand rental pocket pagers and handheld radios.
Mornings were fairly productive times and work flowed smoothly but my
mid-day the strain of squinting at miniscule circuit boards and tracing the
obscure source of intermittent failures would begin to show. Tempers
shortened, eyes grew red, fatigue set in and the day's quota seemed
unattainable. Just when it seemed that the day would turn sour on us one
of my techs would break into the Banana Boat Song. Within moments the shop
would fill with our voices singing, "Day-o! D-d-d-d-da-a-ay-o. Daylight
come and me wan' go ho-ome." Often we would drop our tools, sing several
verses and spend the next hour or so joking and horsing around. It was a
necessary respite that gave us the energy and will to go back to the tedium
of our work. Without it I doubt that we would have been as productive as
we were.
Being active in the Atari RT, even as a lurker, can sometimes be just as
fatiguing. The message traffic is truly phenomenal and is a constant
testimony to the sense of community that we have. Nevertheless, tempers do
flare, frustration becomes evident, flame wars begin and are quickly
squelched, you find yourself asking "What am I doing this for?" What's
needed is a refuge, a place where insanity can reign supreme and go
unquestioned as a necessary counterbalance for weary Atarians. Fortunately
there is just such a place in the Atari RT. It's called the Oasis and may
be enterred freely by anyone who chooses CATegory 18 TOPic 11.
The Oasis, hosted by Rod Martin, is a virtual bar wherein folk can let
their hair down, find humor in current events, poke good-natured fun at one
another (including themselves) and contribute their own sense of madness to
an ongoing free-form story line.
What follows is a recent episode to give you a taste of the fare that
awaits you in the Oasis.
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"BTW, I know where the badger is!", the pasty faced Bill repeats.
The denizens of the Oasis begin to stir. Slowly, warily they approach the
Gates-monster. A cry goes up, "TOSs da bum out!" and is answered by shouts
of, "No! No, he knows where the badger is!". Somewhere from deep within
the recesses of the Oasis a voice quietly interjects, "... and he has
money."
Barney begins cooing, "I love Bill, Bill loves me, we're a happy family"
but is quickly cut short by threatening movements toward the stage.
Moaning softly he sits down and begins pawing through the rubble that lies
scattered about him.
Gazing at the wretched creature before him, Papa combs his fingers through
his beard and thinks to himself, "I wonder how much he would really pay for
the Secrets of TOS? I certainly could use the money but the Secrets of TOS
are not mine to sell. Is he really Bill Gates? Am I standing here looking
into the very Face of Megalomania!?"
Papa's fingers become entangled in his beard as muses. The lights in the
Oasis dim as a humming fills the air. With a pained "Yeeowch!" Papa jerks
his fingers free wrenching out huge tufts of whiskers just as the lights
flicker and go out entirely. An impenetrable blackness fills the Oasis.
The denizens scramble over one another in the darkness. Rod yells, "Papa!
What have you done!?" to which Papa replies, "What? Me? I ain't done
nuttin!"
Within moments the sounds of bodies bumping and falling over other bodies
fades into a deep silence punctuated only by occasional whimpers from
Barney and the sound of someone feverishly thrashing through discarded
piles of broken chairs and tables in one corner of the room accompanied by
a voice sounding very much like Tomas' saying, "It's gotta be in here
somewhere. I just know it is!"
Eventually the noise from the corner and Barney's whimpers are replaced by
a silence as impenetrable as the darkness that grips the Oasis.
Hours pass, then days, weeks, perhaps months. The denizens have fallen
into a Rip Van Winklish sleep dreaming of lives in other places. The Oasis
is quiet ... waiting in its somnabulence until ...
Suddenly Albuquerque Bob throws the door open with a bang and a "Hey, who
turned out the lights in here?"
The noise awakens Mike who sleepily mumbles, "I dunno, I done my part."
Papa, too, is awakened from his slumber, "Mmmff ... wha? The lights are
out. Lemme see if I can find a match."
Papa rummages through his pockets, pulls out a strange long-handled bladed
object and lets it fall to the floor. Fruitlessly he digs deeper into the
detritus at the bottom of his pockets but still no matches. Finally he
pulls out a simple wood bodied plane and a sharpening stone. "This will
have to do, I guess," he says and begins striking the plane blade rapidly
one-two-three against the stone. After several tries Papa manages to
strike a spark from the stone which falls onto the open pages of a Windows
'95 user manual laying near his feet. Crouching low over the book, Papa
gently blows on the glimmering coal. It glows slightly brighter then
suddenly the pages of the book burst into flame. Papa jerks away but not
before his beard is ignited. He dances wildly about the room, slapping his
face and crying, "Oh! Aahh! Hoo!"
The sudden appearance of light and the noise of Papa's prancing antics
bestir the patrons of the Oasis. Barney clumsily gets to his feet, looks
at an object in his hand and declares, "I found Mr. Microphone!" Mike
looks at Barney who has begun to gyrate and gurgle with glee. Squinting
through the smoke from the burning book he says, "That looks familiar ..."
He lumbers toward the stage, stops and exclaims, "It is! It's my soldering
iron!"
At that moment the Gates-monster awakens, sees the burning Windows '95
manual and screams, "Fire! Fire! They're burning my book!" Rod, rudely
awakened throws a hogshead of fine Pilsener over the bar then vaults after
it. "Damn your book", he yells, "my floor is solid oak!" He quickly taps
the hogshead and pours the amber brew upon the fire.
The delicious steamy odor of premium hops and barley mingles with the smoke
in the air stopping Mike halfway through his trek to the stage. Perplexed
he stands there turning to and fro, looking first at Barney with his
soldering iron and then at the spreading pool of Pilsener and ashes.
"What'll I do?", he wails. "If I save the beer, I might never get my
soldering iron. If I take my soldering iron away from Barney the beer will
run away. Oh! What will I do?"
No one seems to notice that the lights have mysteriously come back on. All
eyes are on Rod as he grabs the still dancing Papa by the ear and drags him
to the charred area of the floor. "Look what you've done now, you old
fool! Just look what you've done!" Papa seems to shrivel under Rod's
withering glare. He reaches down and picks up the long-handled object that
he had dropped in his search for matches. Papa gently brushes off the
ashes then suddenly jerks bolt upright brandishing a wicked looking double
edged saw. The air crackles around him, sparks flash from his gleaming
blade. With a wild look in his eyes Papa shouts, "I can fix it ... for I
am the mighty Ryoba-man! Be right back." He spins around thrice than
dashes through the door, across the square where once the proud Badger
stood and disappears around a corner.
Shaking their heads the denizens begin cleaning up the mess. Mike sees
that the beer has indeed run away through cracks in the floor. Heaving a
heavy sigh he says, "Well, I wasn't fast enough to save the beer ... maybe
I can still rescue my soldering iron," and resumes his journey to the
stage. Several of the patrons gather around Rod and begin exhorting him to
do something about Papa. The Gates-monster gathers up the remains of his
Windows '95 manual. Spying Al Fasoldt feverishly scribbling his
impressions of the recent debacle, Bill tiptoes toward Al whispering under
his breath, "Perhaps this one can tell me the Secrets of TOS." From the
corner of the room Tomas crys with glee as he throws a broken table top to
one side, "I've found it! I've found the piano!"
Although only a few cyber-moments have passed Papa reappears in the doorway
waving his dread Ryoba saw and shouting, "Banzai! I'm back and I've
brought help!" Seconds later a rusted 1953 Ford pickup truck rattles
through the square and stops outside the Oasis. Two men and a woman climb
out and begin unloading oak flooring and tools from the back of the pickup.
"Folks, I'd like you to meet Sawdust Davy, Texas Redneck George and
Kentucky Gin from the Woodworking RT. They've come to help me fix the
floor."
Without waiting for their introductions to be acknowledged Davy, George and
Gin set to ripping out charred flooring and fitting new boards. "You just
stand over there, Papa," Gin says, "You're too dang dangerous with that
Ryoba thing of yours." In what seems to be less than a paragraph they have
replaced the damaged flooring, sanded it and swept away the dust.
"We'll leave the staining to you folks," Sawdust Davy says, "You look like
you can handle that part without any help."
Glancing around him George exclaims, "Say this is a bar! Could a thirsty
man get a drink here?"
Papa stops examining his damaged beard as reflected by the gleaming Ryoba
blade and says, "Yeah! Hey, Rod, how about some beers for my friends. Oh,
and could you turn on Tool Time? I think they might like that. Uh, say
... we do have a TV don't we?"
Kentucky Gin grabs a broken table leg, smiles and says, "Wait guys. Let's
get the rest of this busted junk and put it in the truck. I think I can
pawn it off on Ed Feldman and Joe L'erario."
As the three members of the Woodworking RT load the broken furniture into
the back of their 1953 Ford pickup the denizens of the Oasis settle
themselves down in their favorite spots. Bill the Gates-beast is seen
talking earnestly with Al Fasoldt who is heard to say, "Yeah, OK, but will
everything work with GEMulator?" Tomas has begun picking out a tune on the
piano. Barney is merrily dancing away from the approaching Mike holding
the soldering iron perilously close to his Purple Dinosaur lips and
singing, "I love you, you love me but you'll never get Mr. Microphone ..."
Papa resumes examining his beard in the Ryoba's reflection, pulls a few
tufts of hair from his head and trys to press them into his chin. Rod
stands behind the bar, tapping out a nervous rhythm and growling to
himself, "A fine kettle of fish this has turned out to be! Maybe I should
never have re-opened the place."
---------------------------------------------------------------------
And so ends another episode at the Oasis. Will the Woodworking folk get
their beers? Will Mike rescue his soldering iron? Will Tomas resume his
music career? Will Al sell the Secrets of TOS to the Gates-monster? Will
Papa be barred from the Oasis? Will the Badger ever be found? Will Rod
close the place down? Does anyone care?
Tune in again for another exciting episode and maybe even the answers to
these questions. When .... uh .... well, ya see, it's kinda hard to
predict. It's ... umh ... well, kinda intricately entwined with the
Eisner-berg Uncertainty Principle, ya know.
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Stop by the Oasis when you get the chance, contribute to the story line if
you feel a mind to. It doesn't matter if you don't know what the Badger is
or why he's important. You may not recognize some of the names or what
significance parts of the story line have. As I already said, it doesn't
matter, all are welcome. What you have to contribute may very well spin us
off into new, undiscovered, totally delightful directions. Even if you
only come to lurk I guarantee you'll leave with a smile on your face.
Oh, and by the way, have one one me ....
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/ /
/ It's apparant now that ATARI assumed a defeatist /
/ attitude sometime back in the late 1980's. The only /
/ logical reason the TT030 and Falcon were released was /
/ to recoup what they could of the development and /
/ out-sourced/contracted production costs. /
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ONLINE LIBRARY /
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[*] Files, Files & More Files!
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
by Mel Motogawa
[M.MOTOGAWA]
This month saw several demos being uploaded to the ST Roundtable File
Library along with patch programs for bringing several popular applications
up the the latest versions. Some hot items are the Load Aladdin 2.1 demo,
right on time with the release of ST Aladdin 1.8 and an update of the WWW
browser, version 1.07. Enjoy!
Any comments of my own are shown within double asterisks "**...**" after
the file description, in the ASCII GEnie Lamp version, and also in italics
in the TX2 version. (If you haven't experienced reading the Lamp in TX2
format, why not download the TX2 file viewer (file #20441) by David Holmes?
You may be surprised at the versatility and power of this program, above
and beyond viewing TX2 Lamp issues.)
#37015 GEM_MPEG.ZIP 14080 Mpeg player that uses CPU to play Mpegs in
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" monochrome (slowly) and is supposed to work
with graphic cards in color. Also supposed to work with MagicMac, although
since I have neither, I can't say for sure. Please use the latest version
of ST Zip to extract. SysOp note: SysOp was unable to verify the proper
operation of this prg.
#37016 MULTSECR.LZH 3128 The latest in the author's series of "Secrets
"""""""""""""""""""""""""" of ..." articles on Atari computing focuses on
the kind of multitasking many Atari users don't realize they use every day.
This is a fairly short essay, in standard text form. A version in Atari
Works format is also available. Use LHarc or the LHarc-Shell to extract.
Please use the latest version of Quester's LZH to extract.
#37019 WIN_LUPE.LZH 29744 Freeware application with a host of features
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" and configuration options can enlarge any
area of the screen and is designed to work with all displays. This is
perhaps the most advanced of all the lupe programs for the ST, TT and
Falcon, supassing the excellent AES Lupe in many ways. Use LHarc or the
LHarc-Shell to extract.
#37029 DUBLBOBL.LZH 715292 This file contains Dubble Bobble, a
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Falcon-only clone of the popular arcade game
Bubble Bobble. For one or two players - get your dinosaur through the
various rooms and defeat the monsters within them. Features excellent
stereo sound. Shareware from Resevoir Gods Software. Please use the
latest version of Questor LZH to extract this file. SYSOP NOTE->Game plays
on TV, RGB or VGA monitors!
#37031 GNVADEMO.LZH 181492 It's here! The demonstration version of
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Geneva, the Multitasking Application
Environment. This file contains a slightly disabled version of Geneva
release 004 and a tutorial text file, to give you a taste of fast
multitasking for all Atari computers. Works with any ROM version, any
graphics hardware. Use latest Questor's LZH to extract.
#37032 CF4_DEMO.LZH 53136 This is a demonstration version of CardFile 4,
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" the Personal Information Manager. CardFile
lets you keep track of names & addresses and appointments. You can print
labels, cards, and even graphical calendars. CardFile also has powerful
search and filtering functions to make your day to day operations run more
smoothly. Use latest Questor's LZH to extract. ** A screenshot appears in
the color/mono TX2 versions of GEnieLamp/Atari. **
(Editors Note: A graphic appears in the TX2 versions of GEnieLamp)
#37033 STKRDEMO.LZH 110660 This is a disabled demo version of STalker 3,
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" the telecommunications program from Strata
Software. STalker is a full PC-ANSI/VT-100 terminal program which operates
in a GEM window, both as a desk accessory (so you can up/download files
while doing other things with your computer) and as a standalone program.
STalker is compatible with all Atari computers, with any graphics hardware.
#37034 STNODEMO.LZH 35340 This is a disabled demo version of STeno, the
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" text editor from Strata Software. STeno is a
very handy little program that works both as a desk accessory and as a
program. It includes features like search and replace, and even paragraph
formatting. It can also act as a type-ahead buffer for STalker 3, the
telecommunications program. STeno works on all Atari computers, with any
graphics hardware.
#37035 FM_R26_B.ZIP 384 => Flex Menu r26b patch archive <= Updates FMr26
""""""""""""""""""""""""" (33814 bytes) to be compatible with Geneva 004.
Requires SUPERZAP. file #34840 {that program was supplied on r26 master
disks in \FLEXMENU\FM_R26.ZAP\}
#37043 CHRMAP09.LZH 184628 If you have SpeedoDOS 5.0 or compatible you
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" can modify the maptable of speedo, ttf, and
type 1 fonts to have different characters appear in the ascii designations,
eg. speedo fonts have up to 563 characters in the font, but you can only
use the characters that are currently assigned to ascii 33-255. This
program can modify the table to your own choosing, creating a file that is
read by SpeedoGDOS at boot up. Freeware. Needs Magic 4.00(included).
#37044 DRIVERS.ZIP 203548 PD SpeedoGDOS printer drivers from Thierry
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Rodolfe. includes: HP DJ550c and Epson -
LQ1050, LQ1000, LQ850, LQ800, LQ500, LX800
#37047 525V211E.LZH 52572 FIVE TO FIVE Version 2.11 in English. 'Five
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" to Five' is a program to convert various
sound file types, as used on different computer systems. Some packing
algorithms and the following file types are currently supported by 525:
HVSM, AVR, HSN, FORTUNE, SND, AU, WAV, AIFF, Raw data. Use latest
Questor's LZH to extract.
#37048 7UP_231D.LZH 545376 This is the data files and such for 7-Up,
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" v2.31. These files are not needed to run
the program. Sysop note: Contains help files and other data in German
only. Use latest Questor's LZH to extract.
#37049 7UP_231E.LZH 149452 This is the 7up v2.31 program file in
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" English. Use latest Questor's LZH to
extract.
#37051 THIN059E.LZH 348464 This is Thing v0.59 in English. An
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" alternative desktop for your computer and
will run in Multi-Tasking systems. Requires at least TOS 1.04 or Magic.
Use Quester's LZH to extract.
#37053 CRAZYDMA.LZH 559004 This program allows you to replace the
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" computer sounds with your own. Sorta like
the program called GEM-Sound that does the same thing.
#37054 COMA_300.LZH 392280 CoMa Voice/Pro 3.00 (COmmunication-MAnager)
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" To send & receive faxes, FTP-server,
answering machine Fax & Voice-Mail-System.
#37055 METADS26.LZH 13016 This is suppose to be MetaDos v2.60. Mainly
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" small bug fixes.
#37060 HDDRVSEC.LZH 5908 HDDRIVER is the latest hard-disk boot software
"""""""""""""""""""""""""" for the Atari. It's fast and efficient and
very easy to setup. Here are tips and tricks for HDDRIVER users from the
author of the "Secrets of ..." series for the Atari. Use LHARC or the
LHarc-Shell to extract.
#37062 AD-WEED2.ZIP 21248 Manage your ST Aladdin .DAT files with DAT
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Weeder, the DAT editor. Delete individual
file entries with a mouse click, or delete all of the entries in any Lib
number instantly (kill all those annoying old FOR SALE ads!). Sorts by
file number, eliminating any duplicate entries that may be there (ascending
or descending order). Search for text string or Lib number. GOTware
(GEnie Gift-Of-Time requested as a shareware donation). Please use the
latest version of ST Zip to extract. ** A screenshot appears in the
color/mono TX2 versions of GEnieLamp/Atari. **
(Editors Note: A graphic appears in the TX2 versions of GEnieLamp)
#37088 BOMBAWAY.ZIP 43008 A clone of Dynablasters, written by the
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" creator of Sprite Works, Terry King. This is
a freeware program from Ninth Wave Software. It runs all all STs except
TOS 2.06.
#37090 GOINDOWN.ZIP 127872 You're at sea on a splendid cruise, when your
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" craft springs a leak and begins to sink.
You go below deck and try to plug the leaks, and avoind the killer crabs.
This is a chance to live the life of a sailor. Freeware from Ninth Wave
Software. All STs except TOS 2.06
#37092 TXTBK101.LZH 35104 Previous upload may have had a corrupted
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" header (or I named it wrong). This uses
Speedo GDOS (or FMS GDOS) to print text files in a booklet format. Single
pages are printed sideways on a half page - making 2 pages per 1 sheet.
Two modes, choice of font, designed for many printers. If it doesn't work,
I can add the printer parameters if you provide the information requested
in the read.me file. This is great for all those files downloaded with a
text file...just make your own book! Excellent GEM interface. A 'must
try' if you have a lot of text (ASCII) files you frequently have to
reference.
#37093 STWRITER.IMP 2048 Here is version 2.0.1 of the driver for
"""""""""""""""""""""""""" importing ST Writer Elite files into Atari
PageStream 2.2. This driver fixes several bugs in the previous driver
which did not recognize foreign characters properly, and this one
eliminates margin formatting, which prevented some imports due to column
widths in PageStream being too narrow. As always, Soft-Logik assumes no
responsibility for this driver and will not answer any questions regarding
its use. Naturally, since they did not write it in the first place.
Enjoy. --Bruce D. Noonan, M.D. @ Medical Designs Software. Note: Sysop
unable to test.
#37094 BSTAT248.LZH 292992 B/STAT is a shareware statistical analysis
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" and graphics program This is version 2.48.
B/STAT requires 2 megabytes and a hard drive. B/STAT can use GDOS but does
not require it. It can create METAFILES even without GDOS. Use Quester's
LZH to extract.
#37099 DB360PAT.ZIP 157956 This file will patch Diamond Back 3 V3.50 or
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 3.51 to V3.60 Important Tape driver upgrades
as well as many other new features. All Diamond Back owners should be at
V3.60 Best regards, Oregon Research Please use the latest version of ST
Zip to extract.
#37100 DE204PAT.ZIP 159384 This file will patch Diamond Edge V2.00-V2.03
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" to V2.04 it is highly recommended for all
Diamond Edge 2 owners Best regards, BOregon research Please use the latest
version of ST Zip to extract.
#37126 WCONQ08F.ZIP 138624 This is World Conquest version 0.8. It has
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" been cleaned up quite a bit since the last
release! Excellent for 2 Ataris hooked up via midi! It's a strategic
wargame with the goal of taking over the world (no, really). And the
computer players cheat, of course... :) Enjoy! Requires at least one meg
and 16 or more colors. Use latest ST-ZIP to extract.
#37139 RTFNDR20.ZIP 108416 Routefinder enables you to find the shortest
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" or quickest route by road between two
points. This shareware version is limited only by the maximum mileage
beween the two points (still over 100 miles). Includes a map of Great
Britian by the author and a map of the Sacramento and Bay Areas by the Yolo
Atari Club of Davis, California. Entering your own maps is fairly easy as
well. Use latest ST-ZIP to extract. ** A screenshot appears in the
color/mono TX2 versions of GEnieLamp/Atari. **
(Editors Note: A graphic appears in the TX2 versions of GEnieLamp)
#37142 ERGODEMO.LZH 292336 ERGO!pro 2.0 demo. This is a demo version of
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" the GFA-Basic Developer Shell type program.
Lots of useful stuff here. Please use the latest version of Quester's LZH
to extract.
#37143 TWOINENG.LZH 148988 Two-in-One, English version, version 1.40.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" This is an Archive shell and manager for the
Atari ST/STe/TT/Falcon. It supports Lharc, ZIP, ZOO, ARC, and UNARJ. I
have just become the North American Representative for this great shareware
program. Please contact me if you would like to register. Please use the
latest version of Quester's LZH to extract.
#37144 SLCT110E.ZIP 77668 The 'official' English translation of
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Selectric. Still at version 1.10, but dated
December 21, 1993 with a 1994 copyright. Everything in the archive is in
English. Replaces any of the unofficial English 'hacks' of this wonderful
file selector replacement. Please use the latest version of ST Zip to
extract.
#37150 STARIO.ZIP 75776 Demo version of "Super STario Land", a fantastic
""""""""""""""""""""""""" new game that is a Super Mario World clone.
This demo will load one of 5 random levels from the full version game which
has over 100 levels! Great grapics and control. Full version has music.
Enjoy! Full version of the game is available from The Computer Dungeon.
SYSOP NOTE->TESTED WITH TOS 1.02, 1.04 and 2.06 and WORKS in COLOR. LOCKS
UP FALCON (TOS 4.04).
#37157 LA21DEMO.ZIP 24064 Demo version of Load Aladdin v2.1 from
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" TraceTech. [ST-RT CAT2 TOP12] { 5 minute
online connect limit and LOADALAD.CFG is not maintained. } Value-added
enhancement for ST Aladdin. Useful for _ALL_ Ataris. Compatible with ST
Aladdin v1.80. An upgrade from LAv1 is available- see included text file.
Update from LA v2.0 to v2.1- contact TraceTech. Save money: includes 'Line
Guard', don't sit idle online wasting money! Some v2 features: Online
speedup - toggle 'Terminal mode text output' Off/On; easy selection of
modem port; faster serial data I/O speed; >19200 DTE rates on SCC ports;
turn Blitter Off (No/Yes); sound effects volume; alternate fonts. ** A
screenshot appears in the color/mono TX2 versions of GEnieLamp/Atari. **
(Editors Note: A graphic appears in the TX2 versions of GEnieLamp)
#37161 FM_R26_C.ZIP 896 => Flex Menu r26c patch archive <= Updates FM
""""""""""""""""""""""""" r26 & r26c to be compatible with Geneva 004.
Requires SUPERZAP. [file #34840] {that program was supplied on r26 master
disks in \FLEXMENU\FM_R26.ZAP\}
#37162 LEXICON.ZIP 33388 This neat little program/accessory uses pattern
"""""""""""""""""""""""""" recognition to allow you to draw letters,
numbers, etc. with your mouse to simulate keypresses in GEM programs.
Includes a pattern editor that lets you create the patterns and assign them
to any key(s), as well as an accessory that allows you to turn the program
on/off at any time. The program is Freeware, and the author claims that if
he gets 1 or more responses, he'll continue developement. Compatible with
NeoDesk and Geneva, but does not work within NeoDesk Use latest ST-ZIP to
extract.
#37163 IMAGO_E.LZH 97424 From Germany via the Internet. Imago is a
"""""""""""""""""""""""""" simple monochrome drawing program with all the
basic tools and functions. It does not have fancy block permutations.
Edits and/or creates pictures larger than screen size. Supports use of
Speedo fonts with SpeedoGDOS or NVDI3. Permits scaling of printed images.
Menus and dialogs translated to English as are some of the Alert/Info
boxes. Docs still in German but RufTraded translations included. Use in
ST-High (640x400) or higher resolution. Use Quester's LZH to extract.
#37174 BATEGO.ZIP 12672 A graphic Stratego game for any ST (hopefully).
""""""""""""""""""""""""" Instructions can be displayed by clicking on
the "?" button. Another fine program from BATSoftware. Please use the
latest version of ST Zip to extract.
#37175 RAINBOW0.ZIP 141996 Rainbow is a true color art package for
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Falcon030 computers only.. this version of
Rainbow, version 0.5, has now been released as FREEWARE as it is one of the
first releases of this great package and is therefore pretty simple.
Please keep this in mind when running the program as later releases of
Rainbow(versions 1.2 & 2.0) are very advanced. This version works with
both RGB and VGA monitors but doesn't work with Blowup/ Screenblaster
resolution enhancers. Enjoy and please check out the demos to versions 1.2
and 2.0 in library 10. From Addiction Software. Please use the latest
version of ST Zip to extract.
#37177 CARDF406.LZH 129176 This archive contains a patch program which
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" will update an original CardFile 4.05 disk,
changing its contents to version 4.06. This new version includes improved
support for extended characters and multitasking operating systems, as well
as some minor bug fixes. Please use the latest version of Quester's LZH to
extract.
#37179 GNVA_004.ZIP 671784 This archive contains a patch program which
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" will update an original Geneva release 003
disk, changing its contents to release 004. This new version includes MiNT
support, has a shareware program launcher, and LOTS of new features and
compatibility changes. Use latest version of ST ZIP to extract.
#37180 NEO_003.LZH 410332 This archive contains a patch program which
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" will update an original NeoDesk 4 release 002
disk, changing its contents to release 003. This new version includes the
ability to assign more custom drive icons, has improved loading speed, new
window and button color options, support for the XACC and AV-Protocols, can
copy files with Kobold, and has many other small changes. Use latest
version of ST ZIP to extract.
#37181 STALK305.LZH 62700 This archive contains a patch program which
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" will update an original STalker 3.04 disk,
changing its contents to version 3.05. This new version includes some
minor bug fixes. Use latest version of ST ZIP to extract.
#37182 STENO212.LZH 34568 This patch program will update an original
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" STeno 2.11 disk, changing its contents to
version 2.12. This new version fixes several problems with type-ahead mode
and line scrolling. It also makes the alert for Replace/Append optional.
Use latest version of ST ZIP to extract.
#37186 WWW107.ZIP 233816 Later version of the GEM WWW Browser for ALL
"""""""""""""""""""""""""" TOS Computers, Ver 1.07 Includes STIK.ACC
TCP/IP Accessory, CAB.APP Crystal Atari Browser and CAB.OVL The overlay to
make them work together. Also included are various patch prg.s needed for
some computers. SLIP only access at this time. Use latest version of ST
ZIP to extract. ** A screenshot appears in the color/mono TX2 versions of
GEnieLamp/Atari. **
(Editors Note: A graphic appears in the TX2 versions of GEnieLamp)
///// GEnie Quick_Quote ///////////////////////////////////
/ /
/ People like different things, and there are going to /
/ be different definitions of what is perfect for each /
/ of them. /
/ /
////////////////////////////////////// J.HARRIS32 ///////
[EOA]
[CAI]//////////////////////////////
COMPUTERS AND INVESTING /
/////////////////////////////////
[*] Monthly Review of High Tech Stocks
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
by Sanford E. Wolf
[S.WOLF4]
Introduction:
"""""""""""""
Times are agettin serious. Last month, we saw that an unusually large
percentage of stocks, some 80%, were above their long term averages, and
more than 30% were more than 2 standard deviations above. This is a
phenomenon which last occurred in 1987. Accordingly, the theme of last
month's column was DEFENSE.
This month, my personal opinion, for what it may be worth, takes on a
slightly more ominous tinge. The first chart displayed below exemplifies
the reasoning leading to this conclusion. It demonstrates the weakness
underlying what may still, to many, look like a stock market with much
higher levels yet to be achieved.
Yet, this market has also demonstrated a remarkable resilience, and all
facets do not necessarily point south. IBM is an example of a stock which
can go either way, and DEC (Digital Equipment) may be providing a buy
signal. Indeed, there are quite a number of stocks which have either
already had corrections of 20% or more, or as in the case of DEC, may be
finishing a very long turn around process leading to higher levels.
Market Internals: The Case for Pessimism
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The first chart displays how the S-P 500 average has been rising steadily
since last December. The 11 month, 34% uninterrupted rise is one of the
more remarkable bull markets in modern history.
(Editors Note: A graphic appears in the TX2 versions of GEnieLamp)
Superimposed on the price bars is the running total of the number of stocks
which rise each day less the number which decline each day, otherwise known
as the "Advance-Decline Line". Until 6 weeks ago, this A-D line moved in
nearly perfect synch with the price average, a virtual signature of a
market in a strong trend. Even during the 6 week period, mid-July through
the end of August, when the price average flattened out, the A-D line did
the same. Starting in mid September, the daily number of declining stocks
has substantially outpaced the number of rising stocks, yet the price
average has remained steady, at its highest level in history. This
divergence has been no small matter, as you can readily see. While
stranger things do happen, the odds now favor a decline in the overall
price level, at least as suggested by this particular comparison. However,
this may not yet portend the final end of the long term bull market.
One might legitimately ask how the price average can stay level while a
majority of stocks are declining in price. The answer probably lies in the
makeup of the various averages. The SP-500 contains relatively large
company stocks -- "large cap" -- and these have generally held up in price,
even advanced, while the more numerous mid-cap and low-cap stocks have been
declining. In fact, an average based on smaller company stocks, such as
the Russell 2000 Index, is showing a recent decline, nearly 10%, much more
in harmony with the A-D line. One possible reason for this difference is
the preference by large mutual funds for stocks with sufficiently large
capital bases to allow for large scale buying and selling without unduly
effecting the price. With mutual funds buying up stocks as fast or faster
than their continuing large inflow of public funds, the divergence between
the SP-500 and A-D line is understandable. The question is how long this
divergence can be sustained. We may be close to that time.
IBM:
""""
IBM is one large-cap stock which has declined about 20% over the past 2
months, a correction we anticipated when buying appeared to dry up and
distribution became apparent even while the price was rising to its
mid-August high at 112.
(Editors Note: A graphic appears in the TX2 versions of GEnieLamp)
Last month we noted that the price had come back down to a long term trend
line, and that some support should show up. It has, but not in any major
way. The most recent bounce off the trend line does not yet look
convincing, although it could become so with an increase in volume.
Penetration of the resistance represented by the trend line could result in
a further decline, perhaps as low as the mid 70's. However, IBM climbed
from 42 to 112 in less than 2 years, a stellar turnaround by any measure,
so a period of consolidation is not surprising, especially in light of the
recent departure of some top personnel.
Digital Equipment:
""""""""""""""""""
DEC has taken on some very interesting aspects. A few months ago, June I
think, I called attention to a period of increased selling which drove the
price down from 49 to 35. I even opined that DEC could be pointing to more
general weakness among the technology issues. Well, that more general
weakness did show up in July. But something interesting happened to DEC:
it turned back up in July and, after several weeks of trading between 38
and 45, it has recently gapped up and is now consolidating in the mid 50s.
(Editors Note: A graphic appears in the TX2 versions of GEnieLamp)
A monthly chart offers a very interesting perspective. After topping at
200 in 1987, DEC dropped steadily to below 20 last year. About that time,
I featured DEC as a text book example of a saucer type bottom with a good
possibility of having a nice upturn. Well, it is now above 50, not bad.
Now the chart shows even more. I have drawn in a horizontal line at a
price of 50, which seems to represent a level of overhead resistance dating
back 2 years. DEC penetrated this resistance last week, supported by
higher volume than it has enjoyed as far back as my data goes -- 1984.
Yes, after looking so weak only a few months ago, DEC now seems poised for
further advance, perhaps into the 70s within another several months, and
even higher after that. The story I see developing in the charts is that
the turnaround in DEC's fortunes may rival, perhaps even surpass, that of
IBM! I happen to have DEC's annual report; should make good reading.
Coda:
"""""
As a reader might well ask: "Is it buy or sell?" It is generally a poor
practice to buy stocks when a major average like the S-P 500 indicates a
bear market in progress. Although it has not yet signalled a bear market,
I have suggested above that the time is about upon us. Then I go on to
suggest that DEC may be a buy candidate, and IBM is maybe yes, maybe no.
Last month we saw that other major technology stocks, so close to breaking
down, actually turned up just at the critical point. Such is the
frustration facing a cautious investor.
One solution is not to go to extremes in either direction, but to adjust
one's invested funds up or down depending upon the outlook. Better to miss
half the opportunities than to either miss them all or be caught in a
losing posture. Cash, or high yielding preferred stocks in good companies
are probably appropriate places to have a major fraction of one's funds.
If the itch to buy something gets too powerful, a good idea may be to look
at stocks which are trading at levels way below previous highs and giving
evidence of a turnaround. Such possibilities always exist. The problem is
to find them. DEC? That is where a computer can be very helpful.
I have omitted Atari from this month's charts. As those interested in
Atari are well aware, it has busted through the bottom of its long trading
zone and is now nestled just above 2 dollars. Time Warner finally decided
to bite the bullet in earnest, and dumped some 6 million shares in one day.
I felt it inappropriate to display such gore, although some may see a
buying opportunity. Time Warner has another 6 million shares to go.
///// Historical Quick_Quote //////////////////////////////
/ /
/ Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently /
/ high plateau. /
/ /
/////////////////////////////////// Irving Fisher ///////
(Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929)
[EOA]
[OVP]//////////////////////////////
OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS /
/////////////////////////////////
Digital Publishing
""""""""""""""""""
by Douglas Park
[DELUXE]
Digital publishing. Electronic magazines. Books on disk. Multimedia.
Plug and play. Offline readers. Personal Digital Assistants. Bob.
Hypertext. Knowledge base.
In the past ten years we've had to learn many new ways of dealing with the
written word. Many documents, like this one, have never had a physical
reality. They exist as patterns of storage, easily transmitted and
retrieved, easily duplicated and modified. But they are lacking in some of
the basic usefulness that we used to get from books and magazines.
Did you ever prop up one end of a science project with a virtual text? Or
swat a fly with a floppy-based book? When you need a way to press flowers,
can you use something in ASCII format to do it? Can you build even the
flimsiest of Leggo castles with a hypertext link and mouse icons? (Other
services, previously performed by catalogs from Montgomery Wards or Sears,
are best left unmentioned.)
My family owns several hundred books. We do not call it a library,
exactly, but it still performs a great service of data storage and
retrieval, in addition to some of the services mentioned above. We like
the heft and feel of a book, the smell of the paper, the flip of the pages.
We still find it much easier to entertain a two-year old girl with the
printed page. (She finds the mouse and keyboard endlessly distracting,
and, actually, so do I.) So it is best, for us, not to think of the vast
text-based services of the computer networks as a replacement for printing.
But they are interesting.
I like having the entire text of Shakespeare, or Edgar Allen Poe, or
Cervantes, on a single floppy disk. Even if the floppy disk is less
permanent than paper, around seven years of useful life, it still stores
information very efficiently. In a few years, we will probably replace
them with CD Rom technology, increasing dramatically the accuracy, life,
and quantity of storage. Even now, I can insert a disk and quickly locate
what I want to find. As bad as my filing system of floppy-based
information is, it is still far ahead of my jumbled bookcases. And if I
want to change the organization of my digital library, it doesn't take all
afternoon and a crew of sweaty movers to do it.
I also store some graphics images, and other binary data files, which have
little to do with reading. The storage is so inexpensive, I can actually
keep just about everything I come across. These files are not as useful to
me as they might be because of widely differing styles and formats, and
because I have yet to establish a really good cataloging scheme. But I'm
working on it.
If you add to this list your own archives of letters, proposals, pictures,
puzzles, e-mail, source code, recipes, lists of interesting things, lists
of internet sites, collections of taglines and jokes, job search data,
financial records, and advice, you can see that digital publishing covers a
lot of ground. Much of it is immediately useful and necessary around the
home. Even if your data files are never exchanged via modem or floppy
disk, you can still think of yourself as 'published'. The end result is,
hopefully, information that is where you need it when you need it. If it
isn't, then the computer might as well be a planter.
///// Historical Quick_Quote //////////////////////////////
/ /
/ We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on /
/ the way out. /
/ /
///////////////////////////// Decca Recording Co. ///////
(rejecting the Beatles, 1962)
[EOA]
[TAO]//////////////////////////////
THINKING ABOUT ONLINE COMMS. /
/////////////////////////////////
The Case of the Webbed Tenant
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
by Phil Shapiro
[P.SHAPIRO1]
Online communication will surely be changing the way we work and livein the
years ahead. These changes will affect many of our social andbusiness
relationships.
This past week I've been thinking about how online communication
mightaffect the landlord/tenant relationship. On its face, this
relationship would appear to be immune to the new online world. On closer
examination, the possibilities (and probabilities) of online communication
between landlord and tenant begin to emerge.
Suppose, for example, that you're the manager of a large apartment
building. Within the building are 80 apartment units.
Given the mobile society we live in, chances are that this apartment
building has a turnover of 3 to 4 tenants each month. Your job, as manager
of the building, is to interview new tenants for the apartments that become
vacant each month.
Apartment managers have one primary responsibility, namely, to screen out
apartment applicants who appear to lack responsibility from those apartment
applicants who appear possess responsibility. It's a tough call to make
when you only get fifteen to twenty minutes to visit with the people who
have expressed an interest in the apartments.
Now suppose that you have a list of twelve persons who are interested in a
certain apartment. And suppose that three out of those twelve persons
casually mention that they have set up a personal web page for themselves.
What you, as a decision maker, have is an opportunity to gather further
information without having to call the apartment applicants back for a
second interview.
In essence, the people who have set up personal web pages are giving you
the opportunity of learning more about them, without having to go through
a process of interviewing them at length.
Given the above scenario, who do you think has the better chance of
being offered an apartment? The folks who already have a home page
have a greater chance of having a physical home to go with it.
Admittedly, some people might say that it is possible to put whatever
information you want on your home page. You could represent yourself in a
way that totally masks who you are as a person.
True, such mischief could happen. But at some point it becomes
self-defeating to have a home page that masks your true self. After all,
you could be sending out misinformation to people who you have an interest
in knowing about the real you.
Relationships are two way things, so how would online communication benefit
tenants? Well, as an apartment seeker, would it not be convenient to be
able to jot off an e-mail message to several current tenants of a building
to hear about their view of the building's management? You might feel shy
about calling such people out of the blue, but you wouldn't feel as shy
about sending them a short e-mail inquiry asking about how they feel about
the building's management.
If the building manager has access to your own web page, then it wouldn't
be unnatural to ask the manager to give you the e-mail addresses of a few
of the current tenants.
The end result of all this is that everyone is able to access more
information about each other, enabling everyone to make more informed
decisions. Some might see this as yet one more in-road to personal
privacy. But from where I sit, I see this as a positive development.
If I were to apply for an apartment, I would have no qualms about giving
the apartment manager the URL of my personal web page. The web page gives
detailed info about my interests and work. By definition, I'm not going to
put something on my web page that I would not want the general public to
know.
If my web page can help the apartment manager make a more informed decision
about my application, so much the better for both of us. I take pride in
being an upstanding, contributing member of the community. If technology
can help differentiate me from the less-reliable-tenant, so much the
better. Each of us hungers for information that can make our life's
decisions more informed and less risky. Online communication helps further
this goal in almost every type of social and business relationship.
You may be surprised at how relationships will be changing in the coming
years. One thing is for sure: Those who take time to consider the
impending changes will be able to plan accordingly.
Phil Shapiro
(The author takes a keen interest in the psy cological and social
aspects of online communications. He can be reached at:
pshapiro@aol.com)
///// Historical Quick_Quote //////////////////////////////
/ /
/ Man will never reach the moon regardless of all /
/ future scientific advances. /
/ /
/////////////////////////////// Dr. Lee De Forest ///////
(inventor of the vacuum tube and father of television)
[EOA]
[GTS]//////////////////////////////
GUIDE TO
SIGNATURES /
/////////////////////////////////
Trendy Signoffs
"""""""""""""""
by Alan Meiss
The Internet's become trendy, and more people than ever before are mucking
about on it. With easier access has come a flood of people and posters
with little concept of discretion. Many of these aspiring net
personalities seem compelled to fill everyone's screens with elaborate .sig
files that often border on the baroque. It's always a delight when reading
news to encounter postings that consist of 100 lines reposted verbatim, the
profound addition "I agree!", and a closing .sig file that sometimes comes
close to filling the screen with dippy pictures and a compendium of their
personal witticisms. I've noticed some common attributes to these bloated
.sigs:
1) Cute pictures. Little bicycle people, roses, Amiga arrows, tire tracks,
twinkle stars, etc. Rest assured, they're all just as cute the 27th time
you post them.
2) Cursive letters. These seem to be all the rage. It gives your post all
the more authority if you sign it:
_ _ _
' ) ) ) / /
/ / / _ _, __. __/ . . __/ _
/ ' (_</_(_)_(_/|_(_/_(_/_(_/_</_
/|
|/
Extreme coolness of this magnitude proclaims, "Hey, I may only be a 12 year
old using my Dad's America Online account, but I can ASCII upload all by
myself!"
3) Dippy quotes. Impress the world with your wit and wisdom distilled into
4 or 5 lines (or puffed up to 9 or 10, as the case may be.) Make these
particularly profound and/or hip, so they'll still be delightful after 3 or
4 months of posting. Trivial quotes of heavy metal lyrics,
Doors/Floyd/Zeppelin songs, and Star Trek and Monty Python episodes are all
a must.
4) 3-D stuff. Neato! Nifty! Keen! Show your "depth" with boxes, shadow
letters, cubes, etc.
5) Nicknames. Build your net persona with a catchy handle, maybe something
like "eni?gma", "Wondrous1", "SoHot4U", or "smOOthie". Make your readers
wince with vicarious embarrassment.
Well, I've combined as many of these features as I could and have come up
with candidate for Most Annoying .Sig File. Just edit in your name and
login, post, and wait for the delighted responses to fill your mailbox.
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| | _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Bradley A. |
| * | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Dweeb |
| | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ |
| | _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ The Dweebster! |
|. | _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ |
| | Uu__uU |
| o | dweeb@no.dignity.com "Huh! Huh!" - Beavis oo |
| | (__) |
| | "AAAARRGH!" - Megadeth | Boast no Pills! | "Hey Rocky!" |
| . | |
| | "I am the Lizard King, I can do anything!" Jim Morrison |
| | _ ___ o o |
\ | U @ V (O< / \ /\/\/\/\ V @ U |
\ | \|/ \|/ \|/ / ) | RIP | \/\/\/\/ \|/ \|/ \|/ |
\__________________ /""___|_____|____________________________|
/ Alan Meiss, ameiss@indiana.edu, IU CS Grad Student \
|--- Visit Alan's archive of his humor files at: ----|
\ http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/ameiss/humor.html /
///// GEnie Quick_Quote ///////////////////////////////////
/ /
/ I have a strong suspicion that Atari (the Tramiels /
/ anyway) have it in there mind(s) to do things their /
/ own way, or not at all. /
/ /
/////////////////////////////////////////// J.P.C. ///////
[EOA]
[PFL]//////////////////////////////
PRESS RELEASE /
/////////////////////////////////
Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
CONTACT: Patricia Kerr or Jennifer Hansen
Shandwick USA
(310) 479-4997 or (800) 444-6663
Swing, Skate and Bungee Through the Jungle With Atari's
Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure
Agreement with Activision lands classic adventure title for Jaguar 64
SUNNYVALE (October 17, 1995) -- Jungle drums pound and pulses race with the
release of Atari Corporation's Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure. The jungle
adventure game is the result of Atari Corporation's licensing agreement
with Activision and is now available in stores nationwide.
Based on the original Pitfall! that debuted on the Atari 2600, Pitfall: The
Mayan Adventure takes gamers on a wild trek through the recesses of the
Mayan jungle. Players assume the role of Pitfall Harry Jr. searching for
his kidnapped father. With pages from an old journal as their only guide,
gamers need lightning-quick reflexes and a discerning eye to make it
through the jungle to rescue Pitfall Harry.
Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure features ten challenging levels and enhanced
gameplay not found in any other version. In addition to the challenges of
the fierce jungle, there are seven letters hidden throughout the terrain;
spell out pitfall and be treated to a special secret ending. The game also
boasts an all-new Save Game feature that lets players return to their quest
where they last left off.
"Our alliance with Activision has resulted in an enhanced version of
Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure specifically designed for the Atari Jaguar,"
said Ted Hoff, Atari Corporation's President of North American Operations.
Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure features incredible art and graphics - more
than 2000 frames of Kroyer film animation has been reworked to take
advantage of the Jaguar's outstanding 64-bit capabilities."
The Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure release under the agreement with
Activision is just one of the many exciting games for the Atari Jaguar 64
library. The rapidly expanding library will also include CD titles for the
recently launched Jaguar CD peripheral which is available in stores across
the United States.
Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure is rated T (appropriate for teenagers and
older) and has a suggested retail price of $59.99.
For over 20 years, Atari Corporation has provided consumers with
high-quality, value-priced entertainment. Atari Corporation markets
Jaguar, the only American-made, advanced 64-bit entertainment system and is
located in Sunnyvale, California.
Activision and Pitfall! are registered trademarks, and Pitfall: The Mayan
Adventure is a trademark of Activision Inc. All rights reserved.
Copyright 1995. Activision, Inc.
///// GEnie Quick_Quote ///////////////////////////////////
/ /
/ A hearty congratulations. Despite a near public /
/ relations disaster (the last-minute delay), the /
/ incessant whining from the game magazines about Blue /
/ Lightning and VidGrid, you guys have managed to /
/ release a top-notch product. /
/ /
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Jaguar tidbits from Don Thomas
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by Don Thomas
[ATARI]
Please note that there are several new items shipping from Atari...
MEMORY TRACK: The first batch of Memory Tracks sold out as fast as we got
""""""""""""" them in. Check your retailer fast if you want one, because
(s)he may not have them long. With the Memory Track for the Atari Jaguar
CD, you can keep track of important information that you want to save for
Jaguar CD games. The cartridge easily fits in the cartridge slot provided
by the Jaguar CD ROM player. Compatible CD-based games allow gamers to
store high scores, game progress, character configurations, custom level
designs and more. Up to 250 Jaguar games could be stored to one Memory
Track depending on the amount of data each game requires. The MSRP is
$29.95 US.
PITFALL: THE MAYAN ADVENTURE: Based on the incredibly successful Pitfall!
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" from the Atari 2600 by Activision. This
version combines the fun remembered with the eye-popping technologies of
graphics, play and sound expected. The version on the Jaguar includes
countless improved nuances not found on any other platform. The adventure
is challenging and exciting. Help Harry Jr. save his father and find the
secret to unlocking the original version of Pitfall! hidden in the game.
The MSRP for this cartridge is $59.99. Look for it from your retailer
within the next few days.
JAGLINK: Now you can connect two Jaguars together to play two-player
"""""""" versions of Doom and other forthcoming JagLink compatible Jaguar
game titles. Use the phone cable included with the JagLink kit, or
purchase a standard phone cable of longer lengths from any telephone
retailer. The MSRP for JagLink is only $29.95 and is licensed for
connection to any Atari Jaguar game system. Look for it in stores within
the next few days.
TEAM TAP: Team Tap is in and will be shipping as a separate peripheral as
""""""""" soon as Charles Barkley Basketball, NBA Jam Tournament Edition,
Arena Football and other Team Tap compatible games become available. Team
Tap is currently packed as a FREE bonus with White Men Can't Jump while
quantities of that special pack are available. After that, Team Tap's MSRP
is $24.95. Team Tap converts either Jaguar game controller port into four
separate ports for use with Team Tap compatible games.
ProController: Hat's off to Atari's Laury Scott on this one. It's the
"""""""""""""" long awaited 6-punch button controller and it will be
shipping this week. The slick new Joypad design integrates the proven
ergonomic appeal of the original Jaguar joypad with 5 extra buttons. Now
there's a total of 6-punch buttons instead of the original three PLUS there
are two "shift buttons for the index fingers along the top of the
controller. Designed with features suggested by actual Jaguar gamers, the
added control increases the flexibility of multiple button control and
versatility to any ProController compatible game. The ProController is
also 100% compatible with all existing Jaguar software. The
ProController's MSRP is only $29.95.
Make certain you ask your retailer for these and other Jaguar gaming
products between now and Christmas.
Hey Lynx gamers... Note that Super Asteroids/Missile Command is a
"""""""""""""""""" fun-packed new Lynx title that offers two great
classic games on one explosive cart. Battlezone 2000 is also just released
and stores either have them or are getting them real soon. If you cannot
find these great titles at your Atari retailer, call 800/GO-ATARI during
business hours for a dealer referral or to make a purchase. Super
Asteroids/Missile Command and Battlezone 2000 each retail for just $39.99
each.
About 60 other great Lynx titles are also available. Call 800-GO-ATARI
during business hours to order a free color catalog. Many games start at
just $14.99 and the selection includes great titles such as Klax, Joust and
Pit Fighter.
A new updated (JAGUAR) video tape is available from Atari. The tape
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" includes great sequences from the most
recent new releases as well as upcoming hits. PLUS the tape includes
Atari's new television commercial. To order, call toll free by dialing
800/GO-ATARI during business hours or contact me at
75300.1267@compuserve.com. The tape is just $8.95 plus $4.95 shipping and
handling. California residents must add 69 cents for sales tax. Master
Card and Visa accepted. (Dealers and distributors should contact their
Atari Sales Rep for information regarding obtaining this tape for your
store(s)).
Just to confirm, Hover Strike: Unconquered Lands did start shipping to
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" stores last Friday. Make
sure to get your copy from retailers ASAP! This is the first CD title out
for the CD-ROM with exception to the pack-ins. Expect to see quantities to
sell through fast. Highlander is due out next week. Remember to also ask
your retailer for the ProController (more buttons, more action), the
JagLink (the only licensed way to link two Jaguar systems together to play
Doom) and the Team Tap is still available as a freebie with White Men Can't
Jump (for a limited time).
As a reminder, Highlander started shipping last Friday and I expect the
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" critic's (er, I mean gamer's)
reviews in soon. Don't forget, the Atari Jaguar is the ONLY value-packed,
U.S.-built, next generation system that offers fantastic new CD games as
well as a growing library of outstanding cartridge-based software.
Cart-based software loads fast and offers instant play! Be cool, play
Jaguar! Not to say I have any personal interest in what game system you
play. <g>.
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/ /
/ Hmmm... Are we still "approaching 75 games by /
/ Xmas" ?? 50 sounds like a safe bet (patting myself /
/ on the back for a good guess back in May). /
/ /
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[EOA]
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The Bronze Rat
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(Author Unknown)
A tourist wanders into a back-alley antique shop in San Francisco's
Chinatown. Picking through the objects on display he discovers a detailed,
life-sized bronze sculpture of a rat. The sculpture is so interesting and
unique that he picks it up and asks the shop owner what it costs.
"Twelve dollars for the rat, sir," says the shop owner, "and a thousand
dollars more for the story behind it."
"You can keep the story, old man," he replies, "but I'll take the rat."
The transaction complete, the tourist leaves the store with the bronze rat
under his arm. As he crosses the street in front of the store, two live
rats emerge from a sewer drain and fall into step behind him. Nervously
looking over his shoulder, he begins to walk faster, but every time he
passes another sewer drain, more rats come out and follow him. By the time
he's walked two blocks, at least a hundred rats are at his heels, and
people begin to point and shout. He walks even faster, and soon breaks
into a trot as multitudes of rats swarm from sewers, basements, vacant
lots, and abandoned cars. Rats by the thousands are at his heels, and as
he sees the waterfront at the bottom of the hill, he panics and starts to
run full tilt.
No matter how fast he runs, the rats keep up, squealing hideously, now not
just thousands but millions, so that by the time he comes rushing up to the
water's edge a trail of rats twelve city blocks long is behind him. Making
a mighty leap, he jumps up onto a light post, grasping it with one arm
while he hurls the bronze rat into San Francisco Bay with the other, as far
as he can heave it. Pulling his legs up and clinging to the light post,
he watches in amazement as the seething tide of rats surges over the
breakwater into the sea, where they drown.
Shaken and mumbling, he makes his way back to the antique shop.
"Ah, so you've come back for the rest of the story," says the owner.
"No," said the tourist, "but I'd like to know if you have any bronze
lawyers."
///// Historical Quick_Quote //////////////////////////////
/ /
/ The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial /
/ value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody /
/ in particular? /
/ /
////////////////////// David Sarnoff's associates ///////
(in response to his urgings for investment in the radio in the 1920s)
[EAO]
[UCL]//////////////////////////////
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Unofficial Computer Laws
""""""""""""""""""""""""
Yes, you've probably heard of most of these before, but how many of them
have you ever seen correctly credited or attributed? More to the point,
are there any laws that you can help us attribute?
Please... if you reprint this section of GEnieLamp, leave the credits
intact. At GEnieLamp, we believe that just because a person understands
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BRADLEY'S BROMIDE If computers get too powerful, we can organize them
"""""""""""""""""" into a committee--that will do them in.
BROOKS'S LAW Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later.
"""""""""""" (Frederick P. Brooks, Jr., _The Mythical Man-Month: Essays
on Software Engineering_)
LAW OF COMPUTABILITY APPLIED TO SOCIAL SCIENCES If at first you don't
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" succeed, transform your
data set.
COMPUTER MAXIM To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a
"""""""""""""" computer. (_The Farmers' Almanac_, 1978 edition)
LAWS OF COMPUTER PROGRAMMING
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
(1) Any given program, when running, is obsolete.
(2) Any given program costs more and takes longer.
(3) If a program is useful, it will have to be changed.
(4) If a program is useless, it will have to be documented.
(5) Any given program will expand to fit all available memory.
(6) The value of a program is proportional to the weight of its
output.
(7) Program complexity grows until it exceeds the capability of the
programmer who must maintain it.
(8) Make it possible for programmers to write programs in English,
and you will find that programmers cannot write in English.
(_SICPLAN Notices_, Vol. 2, No. 2)
DIJKSTRA'S PRESCRIPTION FOR PROGRAMMING INERTIA If you don't know what
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" your program is supposed
to do, you'd better not start writing it. (Stanford Computer Science
Colloquium, 18 April 1975)
EXTENDED EPSTEIN-HEISENBERG PRINCIPLE In a program atmosphere, only two
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" of the three existing measurements
can be measured simultaneously. The measurements are program, time, and
resources ($).
If one knows what the task is, and there is a time limit allowed for the
completion of the task, then one cannot guess how much it will cost.
If the time and resources ($) are clearly defined, then it is impossible to
know what part of the program will be performed.
If you are given a clearly defined program goal and a definite amount of
money which has been calculated to be necessary for the completion of the
task, one cannot predict if and when the goal will be reached.
If one is lucky enough and can accurately define all three measurements,
then what one deals with is not in the realm of programming.
FIRST COMPUTER AXIOM When putting it into memory, remember where you put
"""""""""""""""""""" it.
A LAW FOR THE FUTURE If it's not in a computer, it doesn't exist.
""""""""""""""""""""
GALLOIS' REVELATION If you put tomfoolery into a computer, nothing comes
""""""""""""""""""" out but tomfoolery. But this tomfoolery, having
passed through a very expensive machine, is somehow ennobled, and no one
dares criticize it. (Pierre Gallois in _Science et Vie_; reprinted in
_Reader's Digest_)
GILB'S LAWS OF UNRELIABILITY
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
(1) Computers are unreliable, but humans are even more unreliable.
Corollary At the source of every error which is blamed on the
--------- computer you will find at least two human errors,
including the error of blaming it on the computer.
[Laws 2-7 omitted.]
(8) All real programs contain errors until proved otherwise--which is
impossible.
(Tom Gilb, "The Laws of Unreliability, _Datamation_, March 1975.)
GOLUB'S LAWS OF COMPUTERDOM
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
(1) Fuzzy project objectives are used to avoid the embarrassment of
estimating the corresponding costs.
(2) A carelessly planned project takes three times longer to complete
than expected; a carefully planned project takes only twice as
long.
(3) The effort required to correct the error increases geometrically
with time.
(4) Project teams detest weekly progress reporting because it so
vividly manifests their lack of progress.
GRAY'S LAW OF PROGRAMMING n + 1 trivial tasks are expected to be
""""""""""""""""""""""""" accomplished in the same time as n trivial
tasks.
LOGG'S REBUTTAL n + 1 trivial tasks take twice as long as n trivial
""""""""""""""" tasks for n sufficiently large.
(Ed Logg.)
GROSCH'S LAW Computing power increases as the square of the cost. If you
"""""""""""" want to do it twice as cheaply, you will have to do to it
four times as fast. (Herb Grosch, editor, _Computerworld_)
HORGAN'S HOMILY We won't have personal computing until we can get them
""""""""""""""" little and talking.
HALPERN'S OBSERVATION That tendency to err that programmers have been
""""""""""""""""""""" noticed to share with other human beings has often
been treated as if it were an awkwardness attendant upon programming's
adolescence, which like acne will disappear with the craft's coming of age.
It has proved otherwise. (Mark Halpern)
HOARE'S LAW OF LARGE PROGRAMS Inside every small program is a large
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" program struggling to get out.
(Tony Hoare)
IBM POLLYANNA PRINCIPLE Machines should work; people should think.
"""""""""""""""""""""""
LANDAU'S PROGRAMMING PARADOX The best programmer has to be someone.
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The more human-like a computer becomes, the less times it spends computing
and the more time it spends doing more human-like work.
A software committee of one is limited by its own horizon and will only
specify that far.
LUBARSKY'S LAW OF CYBERNETIC ENTOMOLOGY There's always one more bug.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
OSBORN'S LAW Variables won't, constants aren't. (Don Osborn, State of
"""""""""""" Arizona Solar Energy Commission)
PARETO'S LAW (20/80 LAW) ...twenty per cent of the components account for
"""""""""""""""""""""""" eighty per cent of the cost, and so forth.
(after Italian economist Vildredo Pareto)
THE PROGRAMMER'S NEMESIS Experts theorize that, through evolution and
"""""""""""""""""""""""" inbreeding, programmers may become a distinct
subspecies of the human race.
SHAW'S PRINCIPLE Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool
"""""""""""""""" will want to use it. (Christopher J. Shaw)
STEINBACH'S GUIDELINE FOR SYSTEMS PROGRAMMING Never test for an error
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" condition you don't know
how to handle.
TROUTMAN'S PROGRAMMING POSTULATES
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
(1) If a test installation functions perfectly, all subsequent
systems will malfunction.
(2) Not until a program has been in production for at least six
months will the most harmful error be discovered.
(3) Job control cards that positively cannot be arranged in improper
order will be.
(4) Interchangeable tapes won't.
(5) If the input editor has been designed to reject all bad input, an
ingenious idiot will discover a method to get bad data past it.
(6) Profanity is the one language all programmers know best.
TURNAUCKA'S LAW The attention span of a computer is only as long as its
""""""""""""""" electrical cord.
WAIN'S CONCLUSION The only people making money these days are the ones
""""""""""""""""" who sell computer paper.
WEINBERG'S SECOND LAW If builders built buildings the way programmers
""""""""""""""""""""" wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came
along would destroy civilization. (Gerald Weinberg, University of
Nebraska)
UNATTRIBUTED LAWS
"""""""""""""""""
(1) Fallible men design fallible computers. A computer does what you
tell it to do, not what you want it to do.
(2) One good reason why computers can do more than people is that
they never have to stop and answer the phone.
[Can any reader help us identify the sources of any of the above?]
///// Historical Quick_Quote //////////////////////////////
/ /
/ Who the hell wants to hear actors talk? /
/ /
///////////////// H.M. Warner, Warner Bros., 1927 ///////
[EOA]
[HTR]//////////////////////////////
HUMOR ONLINE /
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How to tell if you might be a "high tech redneck"
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
(author unknown)
You might be a high-tech redneck if......
... your e-mail address ends in ".over.yonder.com"
... you connect to the World Wide Web via a "Down Home Page"
... the bumper sticker on your truck says "My other computer is a laptop"
... your laptop has a sticker that says "Protected by Smith and Wesson"
... you've ever doubled the value of your truck by installing a cellular
phone.
... your baseball cap read "DEC" instead of "CAT"
... your computer is worth more than all your cars combined
... your wife said "either I go or the computer goes", and you still don't
miss her
... you've ever used a CD-ROM as a coaster to set your beer on
... you ever refer to your computer as "Ole Bessy"
... your screen saver is a bitmap image of your favorite truck, tractor, or
farm animal
... you start all your e-mails with the words "Howdy y'all"
///// Historical Quick_Quote //////////////////////////////
/ /
/ Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. /
/ /
////// Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895 ///////
[EOA]
[MST]//////////////////////////////
HUMOR ONLINE /
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Microsoft Humor
"""""""""""""""
(Author Unknown)
Three women were sitting around talking about their husbands' performance
as a lover. The first woman says "My Husband works as a marriage
counselor. He always buys me flowers and candy before we make love. I
like that."
The second woman says, "My husband is a motorcycle mechanic. He likes to
play rough and slaps me around sometimes. I kinda like that."
The third woman just shakes her head and says, "My husband works for
Microsoft. He just sits on the edge of the bed and tells me how great it's
going to be when I get it."
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/ /
/ There are too many "experts" out there trying to sell /
/ something. /
/ /
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PRESS RELEASE /
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Atari Corporation's Jaguar Will Keep Night Owls "Up All Night"
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Sweepstakes through USA Network and Electronic Gaming Monthly to reach
millions
CONTACT: Patricia Kerr or Jennifer Hansen
Shandwick USA
(800)444-6663 or (310)479-4997
NEW YORK -- Atari Corporation, USA Network and Electronic Gaming Monthly
have teamed up to offer sleepless viewers the "USA: Up All Night Atari
Jaguar Sweepstakes."
The sweepstakes will air on the "USA: Up All Night" program for three
consecutive Friday nights from 11:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. on November 10, 17 &
24. The program is hosted by television personality Rhonda Shear.
Five Grand Prize winners will receive an Atari Jaguar 64 interactive
multimedia system and software including the popular titles Doom , Tempest
2000 and Alien vs. Predator. Each winning Atari Jaguar 64 bit system and
software package is valued at approximately $300.
To enter, Rhonda will invite viewers to fill out an entry form in the
November issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly or send a postcard with their
name, address and telephone number to:
"USA: Up All Night Atari Jaguar Sweepstakes"
P.O. Box 3966
Rockefeller Center Station
New York, NY 10185-3966
The USA Network is the nation's highest rated basic cable network in
primetime and is seen in over 65 million homes nationwide via 12,500
affiliates. USA: Up All Night is hosted by Rhonda Shear and Gilbert
Gottfied Friday and Saturday nights from 11 p.m. to 3 a.m. respectively.
In addition, more than 7,000,000 copies of Electronic Gaming Monthly are
distributed annually.
Winners will be announced at a later date.
Atari, the Atari logo and Jaguar are trademarks or registered trademarks of
Atari Corporation. All Rights Reserved. All listed software is authorized
by Atari for use with the Jaguar 64-Bit Multimedia System.
Electronic Gaming Monthly is a registered trademark of Sendai Publishing
Group Inc. 1995 Sendai Publishing Group Inc. All rights reserved.
///// Historical Quick_Quote //////////////////////////////
/ /
/ This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be /
/ seriously considered as a means of communication. /
/ The device is inherently of no value to us. /
/ /
/////////////// Western Union internal memo, 1876 ///////
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