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ps: woa, a rendered askee!
- TraxWeekly Issue #3 -
03/30/95 Release
-[ Introduction ]------------------------------------------------------------
Well, here is issue 3. This mag is going very well, thanks for all your
support everybody. Now, the situation with team who is doing this is, well
there's me, Epeius who will contribute articles and interviews. Popcorn, does
the voting, takes care of board distros and some articles. There's Psibelius
that is contributing nice articles. There's WhiteWizard who will contribute
asciis, and which are very good. I guess that's it. If there was someone
else, well if he didn't contribute YET, he's out. Neurosis started the mag
with me, but didn't do much. But still, I want to know what the hell happened
to him.
This issue has two articles about the same important subject. It's about
one starting in the music making scene. How to handle critisism and not get
frustrated. My opinion about this is from Mellow-D. In a demonews interview,
he said something like making music for yourself and don't give a shit about
the others. If we had to survive on people's compliments, the ansi scene
would die ;)
Subscriptions are available now, and can be done in this matter:
If you want to subscribe to TraxWeekly mail to:
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And put in the message body:
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TraxWeekly is also available on ftp.cdrom.com/demos/incoming/ or
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That's it for me I guess.... Well, not exactly. I got a point to make.
Fellow composers, you have forgotten something very important about releasing
songs. Which is: the songs are released on numerous FTP sites on the
internet, but there are people who don't have internet acces. So, they get
eventually the songs by a local BBS. These BBS run will descriptions. They
use the PCBoard FILE_ID.DIZ system usally. But most of you don't include this
file, or don't include it anymore. So, normal users that upload to that local
BBS enter a stupid description like "good .mod". Anybody reading this will
not be able to contredict me, saying that's a sufficiant description. So, in
the long run, people don't bother downloading music files, since they all
look the same. And it's very hard to find a specific one. So, this job is
passed to the board operator.
In conclusion, please enter FILE_ID.DIZs in your files. It makes your file
more attractive, and less a pain in the ass for the system operator. Thank
you ;)!
- Populus
populus@llc.org
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-[ Contents ]----------------------------------------------------------------
1. Music: Beginning the Tracking Experience - Psibelius
2. The Beginning Tracker - Blackwolf
3. Letter from Kneebiter
4. Interviews (Five Musicians & Chuck Biscuits)
5. Epinicion Column
6. Defiance Column
7. Kosmic Column
8. PURE Column
9. TraxWeekly - Charlemag meets Trax
10. Advertisements
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-[ 1. Music: Beginning the Tracking Experience ]-----------------------------
by Psibelius [acid.epinicion.lotsagroups]
Some of you may be wondering, "what the hell do these musician types
actually go through when they decide to start tracking mods?" "Did everyone
else have the same problems I did?" Well, I'm here to present to you my own
starting experiences...some good, some bad, but I have gained a lot out of
it...
I began tracking at the beginnig of March, 1994. Having just killed
a pathetic ansi group I started and January, and fed up with stupid ansis
and the people that went with them, I decided to move into something I
could apply more of my real life techniques in (ie, music). I downloaded
Renaissance's MultiTracker v1.01b from a friend of mine, Dragon Emperor.
He was quite knowledgeable about the scene, but did not track himself. So
there I was with my first tracking program. It crashed everytime I tried
to run it, but eventually I managed to get the configuration right. =) I
didn't have anyone to show me what to do, so I opened up a song written by
someone else, deleted all their patterns, and tried writing something using
their instruments. Multitracker was easy to learn, and in a few ours I had
something to call my own: A wierd sounding version of "Ode to Joy." =)
From that day on, I continued to learn the various aspects of the tracker
program, and wrote more and more music...gee, no wonder I'm so biased in
favor of MultiTracker...it was my first. =)
One of the most difficult obstacles in attempting to be a decent
musician was that of extremely opinionated individuals that seem to be
present everywhere. 619 is dominated mainly by ansi artists, and back
in early 1994, quite a number of groups abounded, including a few rivals of
mine that hated me to hell (the feeling was mutual). Overcoming the
contstant barrage of messages that imply that you suck is the first step
in becoming a better musician. When I formed Epinicion, it was even worse.
Not only did I have people telling me that my music sucked, I also had
99999999999999999 people saying 99999999999999999999999 times that my group
would die like all the others...well gee, pretty optimistic there...=)
Getting around this takes guts. Tell those people to go screw themselves,
and concentrate on making improvements, not getting back at them. Talk has
a lot of force, but it often flops after something concrete in development
knocks it away. The bottom line: ignore the bad, evaluate the good, and
improve how you want when you want. That's what tracking is for. To have
fun, make music that's good to listen to (or try making music that's good
to listen to =)...and over a period of time, if you keep working at it,
you'll improve...
A couple mistakes I made that you should avoid: Don't write in your
descriptions that your mods are "totally awesome" and PLEASE don't WRiTe
LiKe THiS. Nothing annoys people more than having a new group/musician
trying to be a bigshot...start small, and work your way up...instant glory
is not reality, unless you're some kind of prodigy, in which case I have no
idea what you are doing in the modmaking field. Second, don't rip anything
without crediting the proper individual...especially the first time you make
a song, it would be nice to acknowledge the person whose instruments you
liked enough to use. =) Third, avoid trial groups. I repeat, AVOID TRIAL
GROUPS! There's nothing less degrading than to be a "half member." So if
you write a great song, the group takes credit. If your song isn't so hot,
then "oh, he/she's only a TRIAL member." This is complete, utter, BULLSH--.
If you are someone who is constantly trying to improve through dedication,
then it shouldn't matter how bad you are...you will get better. My group
Epinicion was founded on this concept, because I felt that new people
coming up didn't need to go through the crap I went through. Find a group
that cares about what you make and and what you improve upon. If every
song gets better, then great. You've accomplished what we're all aiming
for. If not, try again. Potential is always there, it just needs to be
tapped correctly. Finally, if you get extremely frustrated, and can't seem
to write anything or make anything come out, take a break. Stop tracking
for awhile...and get some inspiration, be it by listening to another's
music, watching a movie, etcetera...it's what you create that counts. So
don't rush things...not everyone can compose 999999999 songs a day.
That's all I have to say. I hope some of you have gleaned some bit of
insight on my experiences and how you can make yours better. Oh, and if you
are a new musician and need a group, I will be happy to invite you to join
Epinicion Productions. Please read our column later in this issue for more
information.
Direct all comments/flames/etc to gwie@coyote.csusm.edu
-psibelius
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-[ 2. The Beginning Tracker ]------------------------------------------------
by //// //// (GOD that is annoying, isn't it?)
/ / / /
//// lackwolf / / / efiance
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//// //// (Translation: Blackwolf/Defiance)
So there I was in 1992. I had just downloaded MODEdit 2.00 from a
local BBS, and had almost finished my first MOD ever.
God, did it suck.
I wrote a few more MOD's and then decided that tracking wasn't for
me. I sucked and most people hated my songs.
Two years later, I picked up Scream Tracker 3.01. I stole all of
Skaven's samples from Second Reality and Ice Frontier and wrote my first
S3M. It had a very long name that roughly meant "Predictable."
God, did it suck.
I never really released that song to the world. A few local BBS's
have it. That's a good thing for beginning trackers - NEVER EVER
release your FIRST song. Especially if you stole all of your samples
from Skaven. Don't worry, I know many trackers who's first song started
out with Skaven samples.
One of the things I learned early on is that in order to write decent
and listenable songs you need some music theory and math knowledge. If
you don't have either of these talents, you could be screwed. In fact,
I'm writing this article during band class. :>
Another good tip I'd like to pass along is to never write what song
number this is. I personally think it degrades the song if I know it's
your third song ever. I don't care if it's your third song or your
170th song <coughQUAREXcough>. :>
When I released my first "releasable" song, not everybody liked it.
I know of 2 whole people who liked my first song. Most people said "It
needs a LOT of work." Get used to hearing that, people say it often.
At least they're being honest.
I wrote another song in about three hours. This is a mistake. The
song had several fixable errors that were just dumb mistakes on my part.
A good thing to do now is to let it sit for a few days and let the song
get out of your head. Then listen to it after that time to hear the
things you didn't realize before. OH, that chord DOESN'T work well with
that note! Oh yeah, that piano IS out of tune with the other samples!
If you MUST send it out immediately, give it to someone you trust first
and let them weed your bugs for you. It's always good to get a second
opinion.
Well now I've written a few more songs and I'm actually known.
People will know who you are in a few months if you hang out in #trax
enough. Just being known doesn't help you though. My "best" song
according to some people actually was hated by people who (in my mind)
really know what they're talking about. Don't get a big head just
because your group president thinks it's the best tracked song he's ever
heard. But also don't get daunted when all you get for a description is
"Sounds like some ... hmmm ... dunno".
I've been tracking since late November of 1994. The MOD's I wrote in
early '92 don't count because they all sucked and I wrote them under a
different name. This is a combination of what it's like to be new and
the do's and don't of tracking to beginners. I had to learn the hard
way, and it sucked. :>
You can get all my "releasable" songs from my FTP site at
ftp.netcom.com in directory pub/bo/bobbyt/bwolf. You can email me at
bobbyt@netcom.com, and I'm found on IRC as Blackwolf unless some dweeb
who plays 1st Violin at GMU stole it again. (I'll be "Blackwlf" at
those times)
God, this article sucked.
Blackwolf [defiance.epinicion]
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-[ 3. Letter from Kneebiter ]------------------------------------------------
Kneebiter wrote me this message concerning Leviathan's article on Modal and
Chord Theory. Please read:
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> 1 2 3 4 5 6
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> C D E F G A B
[rest of chart deleted]
>Major Modes: Minor Modes: Diminished Mode
>Ionian: No Change Dorian: 3b,7b Locrian: 2,3,5,6,7
>Lydian: 5b Phyrgian: 2,3,6,7
>Mixolydian: 7b Aeolian: 3,6,7
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>
> You might want to print that out for reference. Basically, all o
>the scales listed at top are the Ionian, or standard mode. These are th
>scales you usually learn first. Below that are the other modes, listed b
>category. They show changes you need to make to the scales listed at th
>top to get the other modes. For example, Dorian is shown as 3b,7b. To ge
>C dorian, take C D E F G A B (from the top) and flatten the 3rd and 7th
>notes, to get C D D# F G A A#.
Lydian is 4#:
C D E F# G A B C not
C D E F Gb A B C as the chart suggests.
Distinguishments should be made between #'s and b's as it becomes
important later in theory. Take the C dorian example above. It should
read:
C D Eb F G A Bb C
The flat signs are missing from Aeolian, phrygian, and locrian (I
didn't know that had an 'r' i.e. locian, but I'm very certain I could
be wrong).
>Major: 1,3,5 Sus2: 1,2,5 Minor7th: 1,3b,5,7
>Minor: 1,3b,5 Sus4: 1,4,5 Major7th: 1,3,5,
>Add2: 1,2,3,5 Fifth: 1,5 Diminished: 1,3b,5
Diminished is: 1, 3b, 5b
Major7th is : 1, 3, 5, 7
Roman numeral anaylsis might be useful in the future as it is much
more in depth and leads to greater understanding. i.e. MajorMinor7th
aka Dominant7th was skipped. Not even to mention rules of chord
progressions or inversions.
Could you please send a copy of this to Leviathan (I can't find his
address). This is a really cool idea and I hope you continue it.
Kneebiter
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Reply:
Better, you're in TraxWeekly. ;) Thanks for the support!
- Populus
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-[ Interview with the Five Musicians ]- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
What a treat. An interview with the new BAND!, The Five Musicians. This
interview is pretty interesting, since it explains exactly why this union
has been done. All the flames you have against them are answered here.
Also, we learn more about BigJim. Why is he with them etc. It's fun to
read the interactions between the members. Purple Motion wasn't here because
of a mix-up on the times or any good excuse like that. Read and enjoy!
Conducted by Populus [Epinicion / TraxWeekly] [populus@llc.org]
Subject was The Five Musicians:
Big Jim [j.e.storer@bradford.ac.uk]
Basehead [ssn@pcnet.com]
Necros [asega@ic.sunysb.edu]
Purple Motion [pmotion@unix.mpoli.fi]
Mellow-D [jak@pot.hole.fi]
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.oOo. Started - Sunday, March 26 at 17:30 .oOo.
Populus - Tell me your real names, occupations, and age.
BigJim - James Storer, Student, 19
Mellow-D - Jaakko Manninen, Netadmin, 18
Necros - Andy Sega, 19, Student, Major: Comp Sci, Minor: Philosophy
Basehead - Dan Grandpre, Musician (in a real-life band), 18
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Populus - Tell me how this group got all started.
Mellow-D - Necros and I were talking about it a couple months ago about
starting a new music group with just a few people in it (to control
everything easier), so we were thinking about FM for a name I mean
O for a name :) Mellow-D - but it sounded too much like @
Populus - "o" productions?
Mellow-D - Yes. :) Well, not the same thing - o productions was a joke
O productions was me and Dune, anyways so, we asked Big Jim and
Basehead if they wanted to go along with us ..Big Jim (wasn't it?)
thought of FM for a name, we could use it for four AND five :)
BigJim - yup it was me :)
Basehead - I just sorta jumped on.. heh.
Mellow-D - everyone liked it and the band was formed on IRC around 2 weeks
ago.
BigJim - if we get another member we're buggered!
Mellow-D - BigJim: We won't :)
Basehead - I keep getting that damn joke: if you add 9 more members you can
call it FOURTEEN MUSICIANS.
Basehead - Bah, fuck 'em =)
Mellow-D - Basehead: yeah..
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Populus - What's the purpose of FM?
Necros - Well, the bad thing about the current PC music scene is that there
is no chance for cooperative efforts really.... so therefore i
figured it'd be nice to try to work with other cool music people
in a more mutual context, and it would be really really cool if we
were in the same 'group thus FM was formed, it's objective being
to promote each other learning from our individual styles, and to
try to create stuff with more of a 'group' mentality than just a
single person supplying all the ideas.
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Populus - Why did Mellow-D and Necros leave KFMF?
Necros - i left because it is kinda silly to be in more than one music
group at once .. i still like KFMF a lot, they are cool people,
but i wanted to be coherent :>
Mellow-D - well, I left because I think I don't have enough time to do KFMF
*and* FM *and* S!P *and* HDC .. 3 groups and a band is hard
That's the sole reason. I still dig KFMF stuff a lot and I think
what they're doing is utterly cool.
Basehead - i didn't leave because i have too deep-rooted of a history with
Mael and the other guys to leave.. sounds corny but it's true.
They're good friends, not just group-mates. even tho i didn't
leave =)
BigJim - I didnt leave cos I was never in it :)
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Populus - What release rate are you planning?
BigJim - Whatever we get round to doing? I think that 'planning' a release
rate is kinda silly. You just compose when you can - when you get
the inspiration i suppose.
Basehead - who knows..
Mellow-D - Well, we don't have a schedule, we don't have an agenda. We do
releases when we have the inspiration. Me and PM are going to work
on something together next weekend hopefully which might result in
a co-op. And me and Basehead are working on something too.
Necros - hmm more than that probably, but it may take a bit to get into the
swing of the group thing.
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Populus - What are the specialties of each five musician?
BigJim - I would say that me personally - theory and melody? Agree you
guys?
Mellow-D - BigJim: Yes
Mellow-D - I really don't know what my "specialties" would be.. I guess I
represent much of the non-theory side, as I've never took a second
of a theory class.
BigJim - Yup then theory and melody for me! :)
Necros - hmm well i like chords, lots of chords, big chords, and lots of
insane harmonies.. i like demo style because it's purely melodic
based, but then again i also like to try to track more realistic
sounding stuff (i.e. r-2)
Basehead - styles.. i think i'm fairly good at nice smooth jazz, ambient, and
slower stuff.. i don't like writing fast music. in terms of
tracking.. i think i'm good at percussion, and writing songs to
induce a particular mood.. an ambience or something like that.
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Populus - Necros: What happened to your LD Music Disk project?
Necros - umm well it's on indefinite hold, because they are spending a lot
of time frantically trying to get both the player working and the
ASM94 demo done...... BUT some of it is my fault too, because i
only finished like 4 of the songs (so far) towards the disk...
realization2 was going to be the leadoff tune for it, but i
decided to release it as FM instead because of the delay on the
mdisk.
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Populus - Mellow-D: Why are you less and less signing with your alias?
Mellow-D - I don't .. I write Jaakko Manninen aka Mellow-D. I sometimes add
the aka Jak. I used Jak (Mellow-D) <- in a couple mods .. I was
thinking once about switching 100% to Jak but I gave up that
idea :)
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Populus - BigJim: How did you get involved in this? And what are your
"credentials"?
BigJim - I didnt get involved in the 'scene' until about the end of august
last year... I dialled up a BBS i saw in a magazine and saw this
stuff about Music Contest II I entered it , with the fist mod I
ever wrote on the PC ( i didnt get a pc til april last year).
Populus - How did you do?
BigJim - I came a bloody awful 40th in the Rookie section!!!!!! hehehe
Necros - :>> BigJim has a shitload of potential, he deserves somewhere to
express it
BigJim - During september last year my tracking incresed like WAY beyond
reasonable proportions :0
Basehead - nods, same thing happened with me the week i lost internet
access.. the week before i came back i did 3 songs in like 3 days.
some people consider them my best songs, i think that was the most
inspiration i had.. i learned alot that week i remember.
BigJim - I joined a crew called British Knights - but they were pretty
unproductive - so I phoned up Sandman from Valhalla.
BigJim - Just for the record... My MC II entry was Bad - But IMHO there is
no way it deserved 40th.
Mellow-D - I think Big Jim is atleast in the top 2 of our most creative
people :) if not the most.. I think he has like a really broad
view.
BigJim - As it happened he had heard my stuff from one of The BK guys and
welcomed me aboard :) When I got back to uni after Christmas i
started IRCing a lot and met Mellow-D. He invited me to join FM,
after hearing a load of my stuff.
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Populus - Who here has music training backing'em up? What kind?
Basehead - i have many years of experience with live music, etc.. on piano,
drums, sax.. and quite a bit of theory (which i don't always put
to use as well as i could if i really wanted to in modules).
Mellow-D - I have none whatsoever. I've been playing around with a guitar a
couple years about 8 years ago, but I do everything based on
ear :)
Necros - about 5 years of piano/keyboard lessons, 10 years total of
playing, and about 5 years of informal theory.
BigJim - I have studied music at English GCSE and A levels (4 years) in
total. I got an 'A' grade at both levels , I also play Electric
and Classical guitar.
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Populus - What do you like from the other members?
Necros - hehehe my favorite mellow-d song is fast charger 2 i have no idea
why :> well actually, essence and dawn of the child rule too.
Mellow-D - well, basehead has a lot of creativity, he can, in my view, do a
lot of different kinds of stuff. Necros has awesome chord
progressions and melodies, but bigjim even more :)
Basehead - i like necros's chord progressions and just generally how his
talent shows thru so obviously.. for jak, prolly his rhythm and
general feel.. for BJ, his songs are really memorable..
Necros - yeah bigjim has nice phat strange chord progressiions
Basehead - nec - realization ( the first one )
Necros - arcadia 2 rules
Basehead - Mellow-D: i still think Algebra is best
Necros - i mean the basehhead remix
Basehead - i wrote arcadia 2 *bonk*
BigJim - well, mellow-D probably Ruskeaa or Dawn of the Child. like
mellow-d s originiality - you can allways tell it's him.
Basehead - bigjim, i luv forever.. (not mine. bj's =)
Mellow-D - I think BigJim's best song is Hangover. Then maybe of a land
beyond hope.
Necros - but the most ELITE song is still the middle section of pm's
starshine.
BigJim - basehead, He just plain ROQS! nfunk (unreleased as yet) is the
best s3m ive ever heard. Necros, Bugs in my Head was kinda
COOOOOOOL :) BigJim - PM, Everything apart form Escape from
Pori (Now Im done :)
Basehead - Escape from Bean Curd
Mellow-D - BJ: I second that motion!!!!
Basehead - PM is cool all around.. every aspect.. well.. i think his rhythm
sucks =) but other than that he's superior..
Mellow-D - BJ: I second that (purple) motion even :)
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Populus - What are the soon to be released tunes? What are you working on?
Basehead - i'm working on a tune tentatively titled "guinness" with mellow..
that'll be done soon prolly.
Mellow-D - Soon? I don't really know as of myself.
Necros - eye am working on compo tunes at least until NAID so i don't have
time for any FM releases until the middle of april.
Basehead - no FM members are entering NAID.. *wink nec*
BigJim - I am currently busy with Valhalla stuff and compo entries for
TG '95 - but after that well hopefully a co-op with mellow-d if he
goes to The Gathering.
Mellow-D - FM co-op tunes woun't be out for a while (atleast NAID time). I
have plans with Big Jim and PM to work on a co-op tune.
Necros - Basehead: oh yeah i forgot, yes we aren't entering naid, because
we'll be too drunk/stoned to bring them the disks with the compo
tunes.
Basehead - I really have nothing i'm working on that's significant except for
Shades of night 4.
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Populus - Why do you call yourselves a band and not a group?
Mellow-D - We are a band, sort of, as we work together in co-ops.
Mellow-D - which is partly the idea of FM.
Necros - a group is a bunch of people that do stuff independently under a
common name, a band is a bunch of people that do music together,
as one.
Basehead - nod nec.
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Populus - Why each one of you are in this? In FM?
Basehead - also, we'll back each other up at gatherings if one of us gets
into a fight.. also one of us will drive if the other gets too
drunk to drive home =)
Mellow-D - I believe everyone gets a kick out of it, simply :)
Basehead - honestly, i think people in #trax fear us.
Mellow-D - Basehead: I've noticed that.. which is really sad.
Basehead - they diss the group members, and the group concept.. but i think
alot of them are jealous.
BigJim - Because being in this means I get to do what I love - writing
music. We get to help each other out, give each other ideas, learn
from each other, and possibly most important of all....produce
stuff that other people will enjoy and get kicks out of.
Mellow-D - base: The situation turned reverse :) We don't want to be feared
as "oh no it's too good" or something.. We just want to go on
doing our music :)
Necros - i'm in this because i really don't have anything else to do with
my time :>
Basehead - i think because these are the coolest of the cool musos i've met,
and the best of the best musicians i've met.. it works out
perfectly.
Basehead - we can all learn from each other of course..
Mellow-D - I agree with base, I think we are a bit of a family :) everyone
is a close friend with everyone.
Basehead - it's not based on an elitist principle as alot of #trax people
seem to think..
Mellow-D - We're all very good friends in top of everything else.
BigJim - I'll second Mellow-D on that one.
Basehead - and i've known necros for a long time.. we sorta follow each
other.. (just kidding =) .. i agree with MD.
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Populus - How should people view FM as?
BigJim - You shouldnt 'view' us as anything. We're just people.
Basehead - yeah, nobody should view as anything except musicians that they
like or don't like.
Mellow-D - I'll say what I think is the purpose of FM. It is to provide
listening enjoyment for ALL who want it - the files are available
for everyone, anyone can call us, write us, ask us to do stuff for
them :) We're just friends getting together.
Basehead - i second Mellow.. people are reading way too much into the forming
of the group. there's nothing really to it other than that we're
friends forming a group. isn't that how all the old classic demo
groups were formed? Ordinarily, we would never have known each
other.. except for the random snailmail. internet/irc makes this
kind of thing possible. Great communication.. that's going to help
the group tremendously.
BigJim - Although how people can come up with 'elitist' is beyond me when
Im here. Nobody has ever heard of me. :)
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Populus - What do you answer for all the negative response this union has
made?
Necros - bah they are just whining because they didn't think of the idea
themselves (finito patako, werd to my jaakko)
Mellow-D - Don't take the scene too serious. Nothing you do in it will harm
you in real life. We are normal people, and apart from that we're
friends :) We didn't get together because we are elitists, good
musicians, or anything like that, on top of everything we are
friends like I said before :)
BigJim - Erm... I don't. If you like the music fine .. if you don't thats
fine too. But just judge it on the music.
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Populus - What is your group structure? If any?
Necros - we are all equals, that's the only way to do it
BigJim - None.
Mellow-D - Umm, we don't have any structure.. we're all members of the band..
we all do what we want :) we just do it under FM :)
Basehead - the group structure is really nil.. we're just, there..
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Populus - You got anything to say to all the readers?
BigJim - Hi Katie!
Mellow-D - seriously, not much :) just.. take care and have fun.. and don't
take any of this shit too serious :)
Basehead - just this -- stop bitching and whining about the group. there's
nothing to the group other than a bunch of musicians.. that's
it =)
BigJim - I'd like to say hi to all the people who've taken the trouble to
dcc and download my music and give me they're opinions of it. They
are invaluble.
Mellow-D - I second BJ, that really is what is great about the music scene,
getting instant feedback.
Necros - yeah, i have two things to say.... #1 - BENNY HILL KICKS ASS...
the guy is/was amazing ... #2 - Remember that a siner and a set of
FC ripped samples do not a mod creator make... #3 - Never, ever,
take this scene more seriously than you do your Cheerio-s.
Basehead - in a positive tip -- prolly just support the music scene.. don't
hurt it, don't try to bring it down. And if you ever get on a
conference.. DON'T TONE. =)
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Populus - thank you for the interview.....
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Epeius wanted to join TraxWeekly, well I gave him this assignment: To
interview Chuck Biscuits of Heretics. He did a great job by the ways ;) . He
will probably interview more and more people. I will also, just this way we
will be able to provide you with some issues with two or more interviews.
Well, let's Epeius show his little interview! Goodbye mattes! 8)
- Populus
Conducted by Epeius [Epinicion / TW] [bj640@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu]
Subject was ChuckBiscuits [Heretics] [s337168@student.uq.edu.au]
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Epeius - First off, can you please elaborate on your nick? =)
ChuckB - heh.. ChuckB - Chuck Biscuits. It comes from the (ex) drummer of
the band Danzig. I guess the amount of Danzig nicks has been quite
high over the last few years, though I came up with this about 5
years ago (doesn't everyone say that :)
Epeius - Uhm, can you tell us a bit about yourself? ie age, height, weight,
sex, pet hamsters?
ChuckB - Sorry to disappoint you on the pet hamsters bit, I dont have any
:-). I'm 17, probably 18 by the time I read this next, I'm about
5'11 or so (175cm? I dont know this imperial stuff), 70kg or so and
male.
Epeius - Speaking of Danzig, what type of music do you like? And do you find
that the music you listen to influences your work as a composer?
ChuckB - That's a good question. Although the nick comes from Danzig, and
I'm going to a Slayer concert in a few nights, I'm not really a big
fan of only heavy/death music. I like to think that my musical
'taste' is matured enough that I can listen to anything...and I
really enjoy alot of trance, techno and ambient - acts like Blanco
de Gaia, Cosmic Baby, Cabaret Voltaire, the Orb, Orbital, and a
local act here Vision Four 5...My influences come from all things,
but I would have to admit that alot of my ideas are inspired by the
music which I have been recently listening to - again, a good reason
why I listen to various different types of music.
Epeius - Well now that we know what kind of music you listen to, can you
tell us (those who aren't familiar with the CB style) what kind
of music you compose?
ChuckB - I write alot of different styles - most recently I've been writing
techno, mainly because I find that easy, and I like some of the
sounds (i'm a freak for analogue synthesisers :). However some of
my previous tracks included a few laid-back guitar.. tracks and a
blues track or two. So there's not one style, and I'm not sure if
there's anything that you could pick out of my tracks that would be
common between them (say like Necros' piano work and immaculate song
structure).
Epeius - So how many tracks have you completed and released/not released to
date? And where can they be found?
ChuckB - eww.. Could've asked me an easier one :-).. Thankfully (for my
sanity) I'm not as productive as Sidewinder or someone, but I have
about 60 or 70 tracks on my harddrive. Most (75%) of these are just
a few patterns long, or are unfinished, but I have maybe..15
released tracks, and have another 5 or 6 which are ready to be
released. Some of my tracks are on aminet (/aminet/mods/8chan),
however most of my tracks which were put on sites were deleted :)
Oh - and I have two tracks in expOZe, the Australian musicdisk - go
download it now! :) (plug plug plug)
Epeius - ehehe, will do. =)
ChuckB - :)
Epeius - We touched a bit on your "style" a little earlier. Do you have any
musical background that might also affect your compositions, other
then the inspirations you get from the music you hear?
ChuckB - Well, I did I guess four years of music (practical/theoretical)
classes at highschool (in Australia we have just one tear of
highschool, running for four or five years), and the basic chord and
melodical theories I learned from both playing and from..
..the incredibly boring classes have paid off, I suppose. I've
played guitar in a few "bands", and played as I said, trombone, in
regional brass bands for a few years, and I would say that is pretty
damn useful in helping you get a feeling for "texture"..
..in a song. By texturing I mean putting in small extra details
which fill out a mix, which (i feel) are often (unfortunately)
lacking from techno. This and setting volume levels - having
everything at the same volume level can sound pretty tacky and..
..amateurish - hehe, although I still do it alot.. :) I guess what
you pick up from music classes and shit like that is more what
you're willing to pluck out of your brain at a later date.
Epeius - Staying the topic of what's influenced your work, can you name for
us, a short listing of a few "tracker" musicians who's music you
look to for some sort of . . .shall we say "guidance"?
ChuckB - I dont know if I do this as a concious act - however I would say
that I'm very impressed by musicians as Basehead, Necros, Mellow-D
and Cybelius. Those guys all show a lot of talent in their
respective styles - Cybelius especially in being able to coax catchy
guitar tracks out of a tracker, basehead for showing us all how
trance/ambient can be done through trackers, and Necros and Mellow-D
for..their good composition and cool riffs. I dont look especially
back at the Amiga guys that much - although that the best of those
guys are really, really, good - even if their music has a limited
appeal, some of the best tunes I've heard are protracker modules.
Epeius - speaking of protracker, and "old" amiga modules. . .how long have
you been tracking for? and have you experianced any "evolution"
in the tools you use to compose? ie, gone through tons of tackers?
ChuckB - Somewhat, definately. I never really used protracker, and started
on the PC using ScreamTracker 2.25 (the version registered to "Risto
Alonko" :-) hehe). Composing using that was arduous, to say the
least. If you wanted to do things in .mod format.., as I did, you
had to write the track in st2.25, find a converter which would
convert the ST2 volume byte to a Cxx protracker command upon
conversion, and then once you had it in ST/NT mod format, edit the
instrument names to put your text in either..manually, or with an
editor like MFED - but MFED would nuke any notes higher than C-4
(i think) - so it was very arduous. As I said, I gave up for awhile
there, and when I came back to tracking, FastTracker 1 had been
released. I -loved- that tracker.., it was really easy to use,
fast, had good sound quality on my old SB 1.05, had the 8 channel
format, and various other things which made it a joy to use...
.. However, when I got my GUS, FastTracker no longer became an
option, unless I had both cards in the machine (which I did :). I
remember being "one of the first" to get ST3.01b (got it from Psi
and Gore on IRC), and that was where I've stayed more or..less since
then - on my GUSmax, st3.20 and st3.21 are mercilessly buggy
(crashes galore), so I still use st3.01b. I've played with
FastTracker 2, but just cant get back into it, even with 16-bit
samples and volume envelopes and all that nice stuff. It's been a
natural progression though :)
Epeius - Well, I have also stayed with ST3.01b, maybe PSI can hear the cries
of his users, and fix the really nasty bugs that come with the new
versions of ST3... =)
ChuckB - That'd be nice - I always thought that in new versions you were
supposed to fix bugs and add features, not fuck features and add
bugs :-).. That's probably going a little far tho.. the panning and
fine vibrato are nice (and glissando control, etc)..- however
unfortunately the new ScreamTracker versions are so damn buggy on my
GUSmax (they seem to work okay on my old v2.2 GUS) that I have to
use the older version. Oh well - it's free, so I cant complain :)
Epeius - ehehe... anyhow, on to some more questions :)
ChuckB - Sounds like a plan :)
Epeius - tell us about your past/present group status'
ChuckB - I'm currently in a demogroup called Heretics. We've had one major
release, the Australian musicdisk "expOZe", which was really a
production by many people - although we did the code and all that
gear..I was previously in iCE - I dont think I am any longer :).
I did actually do a track for Epidemic, but Syntax Error and I had a
few communication problems and the track wasn't all that good in the
end anyhow - a shame, I was hoping good things would..come out of
that (sorry Paul). I was also previously in the Australian ansi
group DiE, before they..well.. died :). (somewhat ironic, dont you
think?) It was a good group but the management was kinda lackluster
in the end, and it just fizzled away.
Epeius - Sadly that happens to a lot of groups... what can you tell us about
plans that Heretics may have for the future? Any demos cooking? Do
you plan on competing at a compo?
ChuckB - The two coders (Black Artist and Zenic), and myself are all
university students, so we dont have very much free time (or so we
like to claim :). We have had ideas for a demo, and have a plethora
of useless (and otherwise) routines waiting to be plugged..
..into a good design. We would compete at a competition, except
there's one major problem - we live in Australia. Firstly, the
scene here in Australia is pretty slack - so there's not many
competitions here (or any good ones :). Secondly, we're..
..university students - and I think that should cover any questions
about "so will you fly over to Finland for ASM95??", etc, etc :).
We have a good game idea, and one which would work, except we have
no graphician, so unfortunately that's on a serious..bit of backburn
at the moment. I'd like to do that though, do soundtrack music, I
mean. Kinda make me feel like Tangerine Dream or Vangelis for a
second :-) hehe. Plus, I need the money ;-). soundtrack=game (game
music) It seems to be every musicians aspiration, or at least some.
Epeius - Well, at any rate, is there any words you'd like to say to your
public? The fans who are most eagerly reading this interview right
now? =) Perhaps some words of wisdom to up and coming composers?
ChuckB - fans? who? :). Umm, I'd just like to say a big Hi to everyone I
know. Be good to each other (but not in a liberal way). If you're
writing music, try to make it the best that you can do, otherwise
there's not much point really, is there?..Anyway, I guess I'd just
like to say thanks to those people who've had the time to help us
out when I've been in the need of samples, or ideas, or whatever
- thanks alot.
Epeius - Well thank you CB for the great interview. . .
ChuckB - Hey no worries. Thanks for the great questions ;-).
Epeius - can you perhaps give us a few ways to contact you?
ChuckB - Sure. I can be emailed at s337168@student.uq.edu.au. The other
methods are a little costly and slow for the majority of people out
there (or just take too much mental strength :), but here they are -
my board: liquid metal (when it's up) is available at.
..+61-7-201-5242 (V.FC). You can try reaching me on some sort of
telepathic link, but dont try when I'm at parties or in lectures,
it'll just ring out :-)
(especially in lectures.. sleep! SLEEP! :)
Epeius - ehehehe... thanks again CB.. c'ya on #trax! =)
ChuckB - Oh yeah, that's the other place you can contact me :-) hehe..
One last thing!
Everything you're doing today - make sure that it's worth it,
because you're tradig a day of your life for it. - I think that
sums up this interview pretty nicely, actually :)
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We hope all of you will take the time to download Epinicion Production's
TIMELINE anniversary musicdisk. Epinicion has been working constantly
for the last year, and we're proud to be one of the largest music groups
in existence (almost 60 members). TIMELINE was released on March 21st,
1995, exactly a year from the group's founding. And we think you'll
enjoy it very much. =)
Musical styles of all kinds are abound, including some pretty wierd stuff
from Maelcum and Epeius. Metal from Quarex, percussion from Island of
Reil, classical from Psibelius, jungle from Charlatan, and chiptunes from
Clef...TIMELINE has a song for everyone...and it includes many others not
mentioned here (because I can't remember it all =)...
A couple things about our ESI (epinicion sound interface) program for
those of you out there. Please note that to change background songs
between Clef's mdisk chiptune and Charlatan's "Rain Forest," you must
press f10 at the main menu, and use the up and down arrow keys to make
the selection, not the left and right arrow keys.
A few of you may encounter problems with ESI and its internal player, or
problems with configuring an external player. Well, our coder Zoltar
worked his butt off to get it to work where it's at, and he's making sure
the next version of ESI comes out better. =) Meanwhile, use your own
player if ESI doesn't work for you.
TIMELINE can be obtained from a variety of sites. direktor.voima.jkl.fi
/epi is one, freedom.wit.com /klf/groups/epi is another. The disk may
or may not have been uploaded to HORNET yet (wcarchive.cdrom.com
/.13/demos/incoming/music), so check there too...oh, and the filenames
are epi-tml1.zip, epi-tml2.zip, and epi-tml3.zip. As a last resort, try
calling our WHQ, [619]945-7417.
Thanks.
Psibelius (Gene Wie)
Epinicion Founder
gwie@coyote.csusm.edu
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This section is not always in every issue, but we put it in when something
that happens in #trax which is odd (Hadji). A lost little fellow nicked
Charlemag entered the #trax channel on IRC and had a chit-chat with the
usuals. He asked some cute questions. NightStrike asked me to put this in.
It's not my idea. Read:
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<NStrike> Charlemag: Have you ever used IRC before?
<Charlemag> how do I talk the Enchanter?
<snowman> Char: I think it means you're "opped", meaning you can do cool
things.
<Charlemag> NStrike ..sorry..I have never used it before..
<Charlemag> snowman..are you the one who if I'm not wrong has something to do
+at an ftp site?
<snowman> Char: I help maintain the HORNET demo archive (ftp.cdrom.com and
+ftp.eng.ufl.edu)
<Charlemag> snowman:oh..
<Charlemag> out of curiousity..how do you all know what the abbreviation of
+somebody's name is?
<snowman> Char: Make it up... :)
<Charlemag> Snow: thank you.
*** Signoff: Charlemag (Charlemag)
<snowman> zake, Jak, and Ruff, are any of you actually here?
<NStrike> I think Jak has been asleep for a while now.. :)
#trax Ruffneck H !hARDkOrE!@voimax.voima.jkl.fi (rUffNECk)
#trax Jak H@ jak@pot.hole.fi (Jaakko Manninen)
#trax zake H zake@direktor.voima.jkl.fi (pelastaja)
#trax Lowrider_ H@ craigb@clark.edu (Craig Bergman)
#trax Darwin H cbarton@psycfrnd.interaccess.com (Freejack / Pure
+Resistance)
#trax Daedalus_ H ~hbthe005@huey.csun.edu (Brian
+Bennetts/Daedalus/Neophyte)
#trax NStrike H@ ~ttp0581@isisa.oit.unc.edu (HaRDCoDE MuSiCiaN)
#trax snowman H@ r3cgm@dax.cc.uakron.edu (Christopher G Mann)
#trax s9 G@ strict@jobe.shell.portal.com (undead foo)
#trax lb H@ lb@Venus.mcs.com (lb)
#trax Enchanter H@ mordy@wentz415.reslife.okstate.edu (-)> TraX is a
+Four Letter Word <(-)
<Daedalus_> think zakes' in school
<NStrike> He lives in Finland afterall..
<Darwin> speaking of sleeping.. bye.. =)
<Lowrider_> eye yam asleep but I'm typing none the less...
*** Charlemag (~sc@161.142.54.4) has joined channel #trax
<snowman> Hello Charalemag
*** Signoff: Charlemag (Charlemag)
<snowman> Anyone here think Chelsie Clinton is hot?
<Daedalus_> snow: i'd set her up on a date with my cocker spaniel, but that's
<MaSoNrY> she isnt that bad is she?
<snowman> Daed: Doesn't Al have a couple daughters?
<Daedalus_> ugh.
<MaSoNrY> Just wait until those braces come off
<Charlemag> hello?
<Daedalus_> snow: yep. they're a little older I think.
<Incarnate> I don't really give a shit what the president's kids look like.
+why should I?
<snowman> Mason: I agree, I didn't think she was _that_ bad.. :)
<Daedalus_> but not old enough.
<Daedalus_> Chelsea? man, she makes Amy Carter look like Venus.
<snowman> Incar: One of these days, Chelsie is going to hop in #trax disguised
+as Skaven.
<MaSoNrY> hahahaha
<Incarnate> snow: AHH. It was HER I was whispering all them sweet nothings
+too?! Er.. I mean.. uhh.. yeah.. pisser.
<Daedalus_> so THAT'S who was usin' skaven's name last week.Inc: hahah
<snowman> Clinton's kids are tricky that way.
*** Signoff: Maelcum (Ping timeout)
<Charlemag> Maelcum : Are you the maelcum from kfmf? sorry but no offense for
+the way I'm asking.
<snowman> Char: He is Maelcum/KFMF
<Charlemag> hello snow...I just wanted to ask if the unregistered wsirc114e
+will drop the carrier?
<sophisto> charle: no
<Charlemag> sophi: thanks
<Charlemag> can anybody tell me what is NAID?
<snowman> Char: NAID is a demo party in Quebec, held April 15 this year.
<Charlemag> snow :anybody can enter?
<Daedalus_> even chelsea clinton can enter
<Charlemag> snow: how..I'm in malaysia. :)
<snowman> Char: Welp, you can't enter then. :)
<Incarnate> Chelsea is actually one #trax right now. disguised as a musician
+of good standing.
<snowman> Inc: Shit, which one?
<snowman> Inc: Its Jak, isn't it?
<Charlemag> Inc: how is chelsea clinton and what is she pretending to be a
+musician?
<Charlemag> snow : what is MC#?
<snowman> Someone else tell Char what MC3 is, I'm tired. :)
<Incarnate> snow: ahh, that's the big question. it's like one of them
+detective stories.
<snowman> Inc: I think that Jak is really Chelsie Clinton
<Charlemag> somebody please tell me what is MC3.
<Incarnate> snow: it wouldn't surprise me.
* NStrike wonders why people can't spell Chelsea Clinton right....
<Daedalus_> NS: no shit, can you believe first prize for party was an
+autographed picture of chelsea clinton?
<snowman> MC3 = Mod Control 3, the sequal to Star Control 2.
<NStrike> hahaha..
<snowman> Dead: no!!!!!!!
<Incarnate> NS: I've seen her name twice, probably, and never cared how it was
+spelled, either time.
<snowman> NS: Would you please tell Char what MC3 is?
<NStrike> Daed: That's what you get if you LOSE.. =)
*** MaSoNrY has left channel #trax
<Daedalus_> hahahah
*** sophisto has left channel #trax
<NStrike> Snow: Me? Like I'm in charge of it or something.. =)
<snowman> Char: MC3 = Music Contest 3, an international non-party-based music
+competition.
<snowman> Char: You just have Chelsie Clinton ftp your entry to our ftp site
+(ftp.cdrom.com)
<Charlemag> so how do you get a prize if you win?
<Daedalus_> so much for eng.ufl.edu? =0
<snowman> Inc: We will have prizes, but there is difficulty in deciding
_what_ prizes.
<Daedalus_> char: you ask Jak for her autograph, president's daughter ya know.
<NStrike> heh
<Charlemag> Daed: are you joking about her being the presients daughter?
<Daedalus_> oh boy
<NStrike> snow: You know.. I think I can actually GET a photograph and
+autograph of Chelsea..
<snowman> NS: That would be great! What a cool prize.
<Daedalus_> NS, can you get a nude? i'll put it right next to nicole
+simposon's gif. =) hehehehe
<Charlemag> NS : Is Jak really the presidents daughter?
<NStrike> snow: Do you really want me to try?
<Daedalus_> Char, no, Jak is NOT the president's daughter.
<NStrike> Char: Haha... no, Jak is in Finland, Chelsea is the President's
+daughter..
<lb> Jak is TOO!
<snowman> NS: yes I do. And if you get an autographed picture of Chelsie
Clinton, you can bet I'll thank the heck out of you in our newsletter.
<lb> Jak is TOO!
<lb> Jak is TOO!
<Incarnate> char: yes, jak is
<lb> Don't believe these liars. They like to play with people's minds :(
<Incarnate> char: snowman is with the secret service.. so he can't tell you
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