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WHAT'S NEW IN THE ATARI FORUMS (January 17)
"HIDDEN" TREASURES IN ATARI PRODUCTIVITY FORUM (GO ATARIPRO)
DO YOU HAVE THIS FILE? STARTKEY - A desk accessory keyboard macro system
for your Atari ST. This programs enables you to assign commonly typed
phrases and command strings to a single keystroke. Also useful for
accessing foreign symbols directly through the keyboard.
File: STARTK.ARC in Library 4 ("Utilities"). Also download...
File: STARTK.DOC in Library 4 ("Utilities") for documentation.
DO YOU HAVE THIS FILE? CAPITAL FUN - A program for the Atari ST that
makes discovering the fundamental capitalization rules fun! Features
color and digitized sound.
File CAPFUN.ARC in Library 5 ("Applications").
NEW FROM MAXWELL CPU!
For MIDI Enthusiasts, Maxwell CPU has released a freeware MIDI controlled
slide show program. DEGAS image colors are controlled by the tempo,
dynamics, chords and notes input through the MIDI port. GO ATARIVEN and
download file DANCE.LZH from LIBRARY 6 ("Maxwell CPU").
NEW SUPRA MODEMS ANNOUNCED!
Please read file SUPRA.V32 in LIBRARY 15 ("Supra Corp.") of the Atari
Vendors Forum (GO ATARIVEN) for information on Supra's new 9600 and 14400
baud fax-modems.
TEASER!
Just a little teaser ... We've already received commitments from Atari
Corp. and other vendors who have donated prizes to be given away during
the 24-hour Port-A-thon to be held on Feb 21-22. So far over 54 hardware
and software prizes have been donated. A list of prizes and vendors will
be published shortly.
THE ATARI PORTFOLIO FORUM ON COMPUSERVE
HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AN
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> CPU STATUS REPORT LATE BREAKING INDUSTRY-WIDE NEWS
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Issue #03
Compiled by: Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr.
-- Each US Home to have 2.2 Computers by 1999
According to a survey by Channel Marketing Corp., there could be more
PCs than children in each US home by 1999 with an average of 2.2 PCs in
each home.
It is estimated that 7 million home computers were purchased in 1991, up
from 5.1 million in 1990 and there were a total of more than 30 million
PCs in use in more than 28 million US households.
-- IRS Expects 10 Million Electronically
Filed Returns This Year
According to the Iternal Revenue Service, taxpayers in every state may
file their returns electonically this year even if they owe taxes. The
IRS expects 10 million couples and individuals to take advantage of this
electronic filing, up from 7.5 million last year.
-- "Blue Book" Estimates Used Computer Values
After publishing automotive "Blue Books" for 18 years, Orion will be
introducing a new "Blue Book" for the computer market in March. The
Orion Consumer Computer Blue Book will have 25,000 listings of the
estimated value of computers and related equipment and will contain no
advertising.
According to the company, the computer blue book will offer consumers
the opportunity to search alphabetically, then by model for the new,
used and wholesale prices of computers. The book also takes into account
the condition of the item, whether or not it is in "mint" or average
condition, in estimating the wholesale value.
A clip from the computer blue book shows an Apple IIe, with 128K of RAM,
a 10MB hard disk, and a 143K floppy disk drive as retailing for $3,495,
but when used is only worth $245. The new Apple Quadra 700, type 68050
with a keyboard, 4MB of RAM, 400MB hard disk, and a 1.44 MB floppy disk
drive is listed as retailing new for $7,699 and worth less than half the
new price used, or only $3,400.
Orion says that the 1992 computer blue book will retail for $39.95. The
book will contain disks, faxes, modems, monitors, plotters, dot matrix,
band ink jet, thermal and laser printers, scanners, computer systems,
tape, and terminals.
-- Ten Computer Firms Adopt 3-D Standard
A technical standard for the way computers display three-dimensional
graphics has been endorsed by 10 computer firms, including Hewlett-
Packard Co., Sun Microsystems Inc. and Digital Equipment Corp.
According to reports, the firms say the standard should make it easier
to link different brands of workstations in networks and give all of
them the ability to display the same 3-D graphics.
The 10 said the standard also should help 3-D break out of narrow
markets such as scientific and engineering fields and allow for
increased use in such things as computer animation and business
graphics. However, the standard is not compatible with the technology
used by Silicon Graphics Inc., a leading 3-D computer maker, the wire
service noted.
The seven other companies are Convex Computer Corp., Evans & Sutherland,
Hitachi Ltd., Ithaca Software, Kubota Corp., SHOgraphics Inc. and
Tektronix Inc.
-- Apple Unveils 16" Color Monitor
Apple Computer has unveiled a 16" color monitor for its high performance
Mac line that features a Sony Trinitron picture tube with a 832 x 624
pixel display area. The new display also features many ergonomic fea-
tures such as a tilt/swivel base, anti-glare, anti-static coating, and
up-front ports for plugging in a mouse, keyboard, microphone and
headphones.
The display has a suggested retail price of $1,599.
-- Wordperfect 2.1 Ready for the Mac
According to Wordperfect Corporation, Wordperfect 2.1 is ready for re-
lease for the Macintosh and is scheduled to ship this month. WP 2.1 is
compatible with Apple's System 7 operating system, and can take
advantage of "publish" and "subscribe" features, TrueType, Apple Events,
and Balloon Help, as well as Apple's new QuickTime technology.
The suggested list price for the upgraded program is $495 in the US, and
$595 in Canada. Present users of any previous version of Wordperfect for
Macintosh can upgrade for $89 in the US and $110 in Canada. Users can
also purchase a disk upgrade, which includes disks and license only, for
US$39. Owners of Wordperfect 2.1 receive toll-free support.
The company also has a trade-in offer for owners of some competitive
programs. Owners of Microsoft Word for Macintosh, MacWrite II, WriteNow,
FullWrite, or Nisus, can switch to Wordperfect 2.1 for US$150 or C$179.
The trade-in offer is available through resellers or directly from
Wordperfect until March 31, 1992.
-- Japanese to Increase Purchase of Foreign-Made Chips
The Japanese government has sent a letter to 226 Japanese manufacturers,
asking them to purchase general-purpose foreign-made chips in order to
help foreign firms gain a 20% share of the Japanese market.
According to reports, foreign chips had a 14.3% share of the Japanese
market in the July-September period last year, according to US figures,
though Japanese figures showed a 16.2% foreign share.
-- DEC to Cut PC Prices by 50%
According to a company spokesman, Digital Equipment Corp. (DEC) has
intentions of becoming a major player in the PC market and is set to
launch a major marketing campaign next week by cutting prices on its
personal computers by about 50% and offering the machines by mail-order.
The company has set aside $5-$6 million for advertising through June for
the campaign and will also use direct mail and catalog sales.
-- Wyse Cuts Prices of Six PCs
Wyse Technology today reduced prices by 7 to 37% on six of personal
computers, including its SX PCs, two 486-based models and the
DecisionMate notebook PC.
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From the ST Roundtable
NAMM Realtime Conference Transcript Available
The transcript of the Jan. 15, 1992 RTC with Atari's James
Grunke is available in Software Library 13. Download NAMM_RTC.ARC
(file #22311) for news about Atari's push at the NAMM Show.
Announcements about the formation of Atari Music, a new marketing
co-op, the Music Developers Council, an upcoming ad campaign,
the selection of a national rep firm, and much more are
included in the transcript.
GEnie Information copyright (C) 1991 by General Electric
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> GENIE NAMM CONFERENCE STR FOCUS "Online with James Grunke"
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January 15, 1992
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
Before I upload my prepared text, I want to point out that Bob Brodie
is with James, so both James and Bob are available to answer your
questions.
Now, on with my prepared text...
On behalf of the Atari ST Roundtable, I welcome all of you to the
Atari/NAMM RealTime Conference. Before getting started, some business
about how an RTC works.
While the RTC room is in Listen-Only mode, you can only address our
guest when I let you talk.
To get my attention, just /RAIse your hand. Just enter this from your
keyboard: /rai
I'll acknowledge your raised hand as soon as I can, but please be
patient. I -WILL- let you know when your turn is coming up.
Some other RTC commands are:
? - Lists all RTC commands.
/sta - Status (list) of everyone in
the RTC room.
/exi - Exit the RTC, but you remain
logged onto GEnie.
/bye - Log off of GEnie directly from
the RTC.
/rai - Raise your hand. Lets me know
you wish to address our guest.
And now, let's get started.
We have James Grunke as our guest this evening. James is Atari's
Corporate Director of Music Markets. James is representing Atari at
this year's NAMM show.
This show is attended by music professionals, including music dealers
and musical artists.
James is here to tell us a bit about what's happening at NAMM, where
Atari fits in, and to answer your questions about Atari's future in
the music industry.
Let's get this rolling now...
James, do you have any opening remarks to make before I start taking
questions from the floor?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
First of all, I'd like to recognize and welcome our friends from the
MIDI RTC that are here tonight to join in the Atari RTC.
Thanks for your support online. We've been watching with great
interest and working closely with John Morales to make things even
better in the MIDI RTC. We're interested in your input in what we can
do to make things better for you in both the Atari and the MIDI RTC.
We have some announcements that we will make in a few minutes, but for
now, we'd like to take some questions from the floor, to get things
rolling, Jeff. So let's rock!
<[Flakes] A.KELLOGG2>
James, What, IYHO, is the most exciting new product you saw today?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
I'm really excited about Cubase 3.0 on the TT. I think that is going
to open up a level of performance for all musicians that is going to
outshine any other platform.
<[Flakes] A.KELLOGG2>
Oh, how I wish I could convince my wife to afford a TT.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
I'd also have to say that Hybrid Arts gets an award for the quickest
turn around for new product and development direction. And of course,
MIDI Spy is going to be a close friend of mine! :)
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
Let's cover some basics...James, explain what the NAMM Show is and why
it is important to Atari to attend. Then please tell us about the
Atari exhibit (what are you showing, how is the interest, etc.)
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
The NAMM Show is the National Association of Musical Merchants It's
held once a year in Anaheim, and it's the premier showcase for new
musical products and technology.
The show officially opens this Friday, and we will be online live from
the show floor, with a promotion that we're calling NAMM COMM, so feel
free to log on and chat with us live from the show floor. Bob Brodie
will be handling NAMM COMM at the show.
We will be showing the ST Book, the only Notebook that we know of with
MIDI Ports. We're sure that musicians are going to love the product.
And of course, the TT will make it's musical debut, and the 1040
remains a huge seller in to music channels.
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
Where will NAMM COMM be taking place? Here in the ST Roundtable or in
the MIDI Roundtable? And what hours will you be online?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
NAMM COMM will be taking place in the ST RTC and the MIDI RTC, and in
Basic Services as well. We're going to be showing everyone just what
they're missing by not being online here. We'll be online 10-6 PST
here in Calif. So feel free to look for us for a chat. We don't have a
set schedule on this yet.
<[DragonWare I] S.FREIER>
Have you seen any Midi thru boxes that have ST phantom power yet? We
are working on an 18 output box now but don't want to be ....
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Wouldn't phantom power disrupt data integrity?
<[DragonWare I] S.FREIER>
NO!
We have a working proto now.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Sounds interesting. Please send me e-mail on the product. Are you
close to production and distribution of this product?
<[DragonWare I] S.FREIER>
We are finalizing (sp) with a off-shore mfg now hope to have FCC and
all by June!
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Good luck, I'll look forward to your mail.
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
For the unwashed (like me), what is phantom power?
<[DragonWare I] S.FREIER>
Phantom power is a way of supplying power from the ST midi port not
BATT or ac.
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
Thanks for the definition. Do you have a follow up for James?
<[DragonWare I] S.FREIER>
Yes. Will the ST book MIDI ports have the same config and power req
as the ST/TT?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
It should be identical to the ST, but the MIDI plugs are smaller than
on an ST in order to get them on board. Product option will be
available to adapt to spec size plugs as an accessory. If you're a
registered developer that info is available. If not, please contact
Bill Rehbock (B.REHBOCK here on GEnie) or write him at Atari.
<[DragonWare I] S.FREIER>
Thank you, James, for your time!!
<A.RIDLEY1>
First of all S.freier, the documentation I have on the ST book
recommends limiting the current used on the NEW st book bus so I'm sure
that this phantom power product of yours is out of the question on the
ST BOOK it would drain the battery.
<A.RIDLEY1>
My question to James is You mentioned that you are highlighting the ST
BOOK at NAMM will Atari dealers who support MIDI be given priority
over other dealers if ST BOOK supply becomes short? And if so when
will MIDI dealers begin to receive ST BOOKS?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
We don't prioritize any category of dealer. Priority is first come,
first serve.
I don't want to promise a firm date on the ST Books, until we really
know. I hope that you understand that we'd like to talk about what's
here today.
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
Thanks, A.RIDLEY1.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
At NAMM we're launching an International Division called Atari Music.
This division consists of a cooperative group of dealers, developers,
and sales representatives. The function of this group will be
marketing, sales, and development support.
The first salvo we're firing is the FOSTEX Co op ad. This co op ad
combines C-Lab, Dr. T's, and Steinberg along with Fostex and Atari in
a major advertising, PR, and sales effort. Some of the publications
will be KEYBOARD, EQ, and Electronic Musician, as well as some
regional campaigns.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
We're also excited about the inception of the Music Developer Council.
Through this organization we will combine our efforts in marketing and
development directions.
We are happy to also announce that we have retained the services of
D.K. Sweet to handle PR for the Atari Music Division.
Another major, significant development is Mike Groh's organization of
a National Sales Force. This will be a major benefit to all the Atari
Community.
Many of the reps have extensive music and pro audio backgrounds. And
we're looking to cross pollinate DTP and other markets within the
music channels.
Last but not least, I just saw the Atari Music issue of Atari
Explorer. The insert, entitled Atari Artist, is probably the most
important piece of marketing collateral that Atari has ever produced
for the Music market. It is also the most complete guide for music
software we know of. It's excellent for everyone, from the beginner to
the professional. RUN, don't walk to EXPLORER's email with your
subscriptions!!!! <grin>
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
You guys haven't been TOO busy lately, have you? <grin>
This is the beginning of a strong push by Atari. The idea is to sell a
lot of Atari systems to music professionals. But what about after-
the-sale support. Any news on the GE service agreement?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Jeff, the contract is signed. We're just cleaning up the details on
implementing the program.
<A.HIRST>
Does Notator run on the TT yet? That's crucial if I'm going to
upgrade.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Not yet, and I can't speak for them...but we're encouraging them to
make the adjustments in their software to make it happen as soon as
possible for our users.
If you really want it to happen, please contact C-Lab, as they are
really responsive to user feedback.
<A.HIRST>
I'd just like to say I hope you keep the power without the price
philosophy. That's a major reason why I went with Atari over Apple
because the software is there, and I liked the price.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Thanks, sometimes you have to spend a little less to get a lot more.
<[Flakes;MIDI] A.KELLOGG2>
James, I'm pretty much a devoted Dr. T's fan. What can you tell us
about any new hardware at NAMM?
P.S. Are you using Aladdin?
P.P.S. Is "EQ" worth subscribing to?
P.P.P.S. How do you pronounce your last name? (Sorry, I'm musing.)
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Omega screams on the TT, and the Copyist is being upgraded. Dr.T is
making a strong showing in our booth.
Yes, I use Aladdin, on my system at home. Bob's inflicting FLASH on me
here...:(
EQ is a very good magazine, if your interested in audio it's very
worthwhile subscribing to.
Can you say FUNKY....<snicker>
<[John Cole] J.COLE18>
James, With the new Cubase 3 for the TT, will there be enough TT's in
the US to go around for the DTP/CAD/UNIX/MIDI markets?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
We don't see any problem in long haul, but supplies are short at the
present.
<[John Cole] J.COLE18>
Also, I'd like to know how up on the competition you are, so could you
size up what Apple is planning for NAMM and how Atari is going to beat
them :-)
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Well, for starters, I have on NAMM letterhead that Apple is not
showing this year. In fact, I am looking forward to their first salvo.
The extra competition is going to triple our business. If I were going
to open a music store, I'd open it on 48th ST in New York City, I'm
really proud to compete with Apple and IBM there, or on any main
street in the US. We have the finest computer for music applications.
I could have had any computer I wanted, I chose Atari.
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
On the subject of available TT's, what's the latest on Class B
systems? I know the music pro's can run with the Class A FCC-certified
systems, but is Class B available now (or soon)?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
The machines continue to be class A at the present time. I'm sorry,
but I don't have any further information on that at this time.
<G.RYLE>
Howdy, James. We're going to have to start calling you "funky Grunke"
now.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Oh gee Geoff, that's funny! I've never heard that before!
:) :)
<G.RYLE>
Yeah, like I've never been called Gomer Pyle before.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
hahahaha
<G.RYLE>
So how has set-up been today??
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
The booth structure is up, and looks great. We have a sound room where
your demonstration will be looks awesome. This is the biggest NAMM
Show ever for Atari!!!
<G.RYLE>
I'm really looking forward to seeing it. I spoke with Chester Thompson
today. He and I will do a little chit chat, followed by an impromptu
jam session right into Cubase.
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
For those that don't know, that's Chester Thompson, drummer for Phil
Collins and Genesis. I'm sure that your demo is going to be one of the
major highlights of the show!!
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
Thanks, Geoff. I wish I could see your demo!
We need to let James get to a meeting he has shortly. Any closing
comments, James?
<JAMES-GRUNKE>
Thank you everyone for coming. I'm really excited about the Namm Show.
I'm looking forward to spending more time on GEnie this year. Thank
you, and good night!!!
<[Sysop] JEFF.W>
Many thanks for taking time out of a very busy day to be with us,
James. (And you too, Bob!) Please feel free to drop in on us on
Wednesdays any time.
Also...please let us know your schedule for the NAMM COMM when you
have it ready so we can banner it here and in the MIDI RT.
Thanks again!
<[Bob] JAMES-GRUNKE>
I'll get back to you on that as soon as possible, Jeff.
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(C) 1992 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May
be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on GEnie
are *official* information services of Atari Corporation.
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> NAMM SHOW STR SHOW NEWS EXCLUSIVE EYEWITNESS REPORT!
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ANAHEIM NAMM 1992
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by John Deegan
The Show Hours are:
Friday January 17 - 10:00a - 6:00p
Saturday January 18 - 10:00a - 6:00p
Sunday January 19 - 10:00a - 6:00p
Booth Allocations
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AB Systems 656
Allen & Heath 1510
Atari 2701
Audio Technica 1573
Cerwin-Vega 433
Denon 9203
DOD/Digitech/Audio Logic 430
Gallien-Krueger 1829
Hybrid Arts 1006
Kawai 2000
Leprecon/Littites 259
Mackie Designs 4193
QMI/Genelec/Drawmer 2167
Renkus-Heinz 4769
Steinberg-Jones 2631
Sabine Manufacturing 3332
Stewart Electronics 3200
Its only the first day, and some of the booths are not fully
operational yet. But this is, without a doubt, a Musician's show with a
very heavy Atari presence. John Eidsvoog is here (an Atari codecrunching
Guru for Codehead Software) demonstrating his prowess as an accomplished
professional musician.
Sound, Sound everywhere. From Denen's superb twin drive CD player to
the new Audio Technica DT100, a fantastic teleconferencing system. The
DT100 is a true, digital second generation teleconferencing interface
unit. It contains everything needed to run a full tilt teleconference.
Atari's Band in a Box promises to be a big hit at the show. Of course
the real demand is for the ST Notebook! Every midi lovin' musician is
asking for one.
Atari's booth is quite impressive. In fact, its a pleasure to see the
"big push" going on here by Atari. The booth is bright, well stocked and
quite lively. A number of Atari luminaries are present and showing
Atari's goodies off. You can be sure they'll put Atari's best foot
forward. I'll have much more in next week's installment about this show.
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> The Flip Side STR Feature "...a different viewpoint..."
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A LITTLE OF THIS, A LITTLE OF THAT
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by Michael Lee
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From Charles Hoffman - Cat. 1, Topic 26, Msg. 1 - from the ST Roundtable
on Genie...
Greetings,
The Washington Area Atari Computer Enthusiasts are currently
planning the 1992 W.A.A.C.E Atarifest. This show in the past has been
called "the premier East coast Atari event".
We are holding the show on October 10th and 11th at the Sheraton
Reston hotel in Reston, Virginia.
We feel that the best way to plan a new show is to first evaluate
the previous show. We would like to make this the best Atarifest ever,
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Acting President, WAACE Inc.
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Discussion about the HP Laserjet IIP printer from Delphi...
From Gordie (sysop)....
I just thought I'd jump in and say that I'm very happy with my HP
Laserjet IIP. The disadvantage to any inkjet printer is that the ink
is water-soluble, which means that if you aren't going to photocopy
it, or spray it with a fixative, any moisture that hits the ink will
cause some blurring or running. That may not be a problem with what
you want to use it for, but it would be for me. But the output of an
inkjet printer is very good, and I'd recommend it over a dot-matrix
printer.
By the way, non-scented hairspray can be used as a fixative. Spray it
lightly and let it dry before folding or stacking the sheet. And the
cheaper brands work just as well as the expensive ones! And either are
cheaper than the spray fixatives specifically marketed for image
fixing!
From Michael Burkley...
Re. paper for the DeskJet 500. You need to use a high quality smooth
non absorbant paper when you print with a DeskJet. Otherwise the ink
is absorbed into the paper and is spread out causing a bad case of the
blurs.
From Bryan (BBKBRYAN)...
Something that not everybody knows about the DJ500C is that it only
uses the three primary colors when in color mode. That means that you
can't do true blacks w/ color. You get a really muddy brown (combo of
all of the colors).
The new inks for the DJ's are no longer water based. In order to smear
the new inks, you have to touch them when they are wet.
Lasers, BTW, do a great job for labels! Just look at the C-manship
Complete disk labels! All you have to do is purchase laser labels,
from Avery. I know they are more expensive that fanfold, but they work
great!
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About Shaeffer Skrip ink - From Fred Percival - Cat. 4, Topic 9, Msg. 96
- from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
...I've tried several times to refill cartridges using colored
Shaeffer Skrip ink. Each time I've done this, I had good performance
while the color changed from black to blue/red/green. Then, when the
color was finally pure, the cart would suddenly clog up between
printer uses, and nothing I did could unclog it.
My conclusion is that the Skrip colored pigment particles must clump
and become too large for the perforations in the cartridge. I would
sure like to hear from someone who has successfully done a home refill
with color ink!
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Discussion about whether the TEC board w/TOS 2.06 is over-priced or not
- From Lloyd Pulley - Cat. 14, Topic 8, Msg. 210 - from the ST Round-
table on Genie...
I believe that $139 is a very fair price for the TEC board and TOS
2.06. Before I heard the price announced, I figured it would be in the
$160- $199.
When you figure in development and manufacturing costs for both, a
nominal profit for both, duty costs on importing the TEC board, a
nominal profit for both manufacturers, then add in packaging and
documentation, shipping, and a nominal profit for the Codeheads and
you'll find that a $139 price tag isn't bad at all.
I feel, it is _ONLY_ the TOS 2.05 owners who should get a discount
from Atari to upgrade to TOS 2.06.
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Question and Answers - From John Carter - Cat 4, Topic 4, Msgs 43-44 -
from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
Does it matter if I have 7 out of 32 memory chips on my Z-ram a
different speed? All but 7 of my chips are Siemens HYB511000A-10 and
the 7 are HYB511000A-70. I have had this for about a year and NEVER
noticed the difference in chips when I was putting them in.
Answer from Mark Dodge....
...The ST requires a refresh rate no slower than 120 nsec. So the
chips that you are using should work just fine. I have mixed speeds in
the past on several different types of computers and have never had a
problem. As long as the slowest speed meets the minimum demand of the
computer design, all should work fine.
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About the ST Book - Cat. 14, Topic 7, Msgs 190-191 - from the ST Round-
table on Genie...
Question from Steve Johnson...
One big question that arises in my mind is whether or not the ST BOOK
at around $2000 can compete with the Mac PowerBook 100 and 140, both
of which give you a 16MHz 68000, backlit 640x480 display, a 1.44MB HD
floppy drive in addition to the built-in hard drive for around the
same price?
Answer from Bill Rehbock (Atari)...
The PowerBook 100 does _not_ come with a floppy drive, the external
floppy for the STBOOK is 1.44meg. You can not even begin to compare
the power management systems between Atari and Apple, the way that
'save and resume' on the PowerBooks work is ridiculous! Please go to
an Apple Dealer, run an application and in the middle of the
application, put the PowerBook to 'Sleep'. Now remove the battery. Ask
how long the battery life is. Ask how long it takes to recharge the
battery. There are enough comparisons that we best the PowerBooks at,
that the price is fair.
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Discussion about TOS 2.06/1.44 Meg drives - Cat. 14, Topic 8, Msgs 227,
235, 238, 251 - from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
From Bill Rehbock (Atari)....
If you are interested, please place your orders for TOS 2.06 now.
Dealers that are on-line on GEnie were notified as of Thursday night
that they will be available. They should be on their way to dealers
toward the end of next week. The retail price on the Two-Chip set is
$60.00.
These are 32-pin EPROM packages. There are some STE's with 28-pin
masked ROMs that are either soldered in or in 28-pin sockets that will
have to be removed and have 32-pin sockets installed.
I am giving advanced notice to dealers and end-users, so that no one
is suprised when they open up their STE to "pop the chips in". A very
good percentage of the STE's in the field have the 32-pin EPROMs, and
it will be just a swap. When going from the 28-pin package to the 32-
pin package there are solder pads that need to be altered.
Instructions will ship with the ROMs.
By the way... the 1.44 megabyte drive kits are on their way too. The
price on the upgrade kits are: $139.00 for the MegaSTE --- $149.00 for
the TT The kits include: 1.44 meg floppy drive, AJAX High-Density
Controller, and the corresponding TOS, either 2.06(MSTE) or 3.06(TT)
-Bill Rehbock, Atari Corp.
Permission is granted to reprint this posting only if it appears in
its entirety.
Question from Lloyd Pulley...
What about 1.44 megabyte drive kits for the MegaST owners that have a
T16 installed...so we already have the 16mhz spped?
Answer from Jim Allen (Fast Technologies)...
...I would think that a couple extra parts, plus the stock 1.44/2.06
Atari upgrade could make your Mega act just like a MegaSTE as far as
the floppies are concerned. The Wuztek kit, my TOS installation kit
for T16/T20/T25 folks, and Atari's 1.44drive/2.06rom kit are the parts
you need. I'm sure Paul will figure out how to make 2.06 happy with
his 1.44 floppy adapter board.
Some wise advise from Sheldon Winick (Computer Studio)...
You can order the new TOS ROMs from any authorized dealer. However,
keep in mind that they are NOT yet available. Atari has announced
their pending release, but they have NOT yet begun shipping them. I
really don't expect a long delay, but until any new product actually
arrives at the store, my position is that it still doesn't actually
exist (at least as far as I and my customers are concerned).
Choose any reputable dealer you prefer to order from and place your
order, or get on his waiting list. BUT..... as with any product that
isn't yet actually available, my recommendation is to choose a dealer
that DOES NOT require prepayment and will NOT process a charge or
check until the product actually ships, or is willing to accept your
order for a C.O.D. shipment to ensure you won't be prepaying for
something that he cannot guarantee you a delivery date on. And no
dealer can guarantee a delivery date on a product that is not in stock
or has not yet been released.
If you don't have a local dealer, you should have a good choice from
among the better dealers who are active here on GEnie. Drop one a note
in E-mail for specific ordering information.
One note of caution to anyone planning on doing their own upgrading.
The internals of your computer contain sensitive electronics, which
can be easily damaged through improper handling. Unless you are
qualified to do the work yourself, and know how to properly handle
IC's, please have the work done by a qualified service technician.
You'd be surprised how many systems we see in our service department
that wouldn't be there at all if the user hadn't chosen to open the
system up and do something himself.
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Need to contact Fujitsu? - Cat 4, Topic 2, Msgs 97-98 - from the ST
Roundtable on Genie...
Question from Joe Mardo...
Can anyone explain the switch settings on a Fujitsu 2249SA? Anyone
have a phone number for Fujitsu??
Answer from Bill Rupp...
The phone number to Fujitsu is 1-800-826-6112. This is one of those
computer run voice databases. I'm sure it will have the jumpers for
ya. I did have to talk to a rep. though to get the parity jumper. For
some reason it wasn't on there recordings. I run a 2611 45Meg unit..
It performs flawlessly.
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Cheap floppy disk storage - Cat. 8, Topic 2, Msg 53-54 - from the ST
Roundtable on Genie...
From D.D. Martin (Swampy)...
I've found that the cardboard boxes for 3x5 index cards are GREAT disk
storage boxes for floppys. You can get about 50-60 diskes in one box.
There are two styles of boxes.. one with a lid and the other that is a
pull out drawer. I prefer the drawer style. These are available at any
office supply store. Office Depot sells them for about $14.00 each.
From Jim Kudron...
Have you tried old Velveeta boxes? They're a lot cheaper<G>.
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From A. Bitton - Cat. 9, Topic 26, Msg. 37 - from the ST Roundtable on
Genie...
I talked to Peter Molyneux at CES, and this is what he said:
"Populous II will be out in 2 days (ie: Sat 11th Jan '91)."
"There will be 2 different versions of it. One for 512K machines, and
one for 1 meg machines. Read the sticker on the box."
"Powermonger Disk 1: WWI will be out in 2 months."
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From Paul Wu (Wuztek Opti) - Cat. 4, Topic 17, Msg. 47 - from the ST
Roundtable on Genie...
HDrive is compatible with ALL TOS versions. The only difference with a
TOS 2.06 is that you'll be able to format a HD under the format disk
option on the Desktop. If you have an older TOS, you must format HD
diskette with our program or other software such as Diamond Back II
which supports High Density disks.
On the note of disk drives, we may be selling a version of HD disk
drives with the same face plate as the Atari disk drive "real soon
now". This drive will only fit in newer STe and TTs. The price will be
a little higher than our Teac drive and will require our new HDrive+
controller board which will contain a special chip. More on that
later.
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Item 8125045 92/01/16 18:57
From: DAVESMALL David M. Small
To: ST.REPORT R.F. Mariano
cc: DAVESMALL David M. Small
Sub: SST Status Jan. 16
SST STATUS: JANUARY 16 1991
===========================
Howdy folks --
I thought I'd let you know what's been going on with the SST, and why
you're not unwrapping them by now. It's been REAL interesting, like the
ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times."
They've been SO interesting that I've not been online much; I've had
some real high priority interruptions here and zero time.
INTERESTING SOFTWARE STUFF
We had originally planned to be well into shipping by now, and had the
software pretty well whacked. The Beta Testers were happy.
Unfortunately, I was still getting VERY odd intermittent crashes, with no
rhyme or reason to them. The Beta Testers were solid.
'twas one of those things where you crash, and there is totally no
debugging information available. I wasn't getting "bombs", which would
have left some "blood marks" in the $380 crash area; it would just freeze.
There are so many different things that can cause this that I was really
stuck as to the problem. Were MMU tables being clobbered and we were
double-bus-faulting? Was there a defect in the hard disk support software?
And why were my Beta Testers not reporting problems? I replaced hardware
like mad (found a slow PAL in the process, by the way)... didn't help.
I call these bugs "hair pullers" when I can't use hideously obscene
language, because you have NO IDEA WHERE TO EVEN START! I've written well
over 20,000 lines of code for this project -- was it there? Were two
programs fighting? Was it a conflict with TOS? Already I've worn out my
welcome at the Atari software dev group discussing possible TOS bugs that
turned out not to be their problem...no callbacks there!
I pulled out my hair, then ran Minoxodil over my head to make it grow
back. (See, that's how the computer biz works. You pull your hair to
make money; you make money to grow your hair back). But it IS getting
mighty thin in back, as Patty Rayl pointed out. I did many, many sessions
that ended with the sky growing light outside. Those are really bad when
you have kids that must be driven to school. I played Neil Young on CD,
trying to help exorcise the software.
Well, a common factor showed up that was too obvious for anyone to see
at the time (because I was convinced the bug was elsewhere). The people
who ran fine were running Atari's Hard Disk Software, AHDI/HDX 4.03 or 5,
and I was running ICD software, 5.2 or 5.4.2 (newest, I believe). They
had no, zero, absolutely NO BUGS. They were *astounded* that I wasn't
shipping -- but I kept crashing!
What on earth?, I thought. I started looking intensely (and I do mean
with a microscope) at the hard disk software interface. I made
absolutely, positively, and 12 other Federal Express advertising words
that I was feeding ICD the proper parameters for a hard disk call,
including all the rwabs() parameters in the read/write flag that most
people don't know about, and the buffer=0 media-change hack, too.
You see, this was deep trouble. The manual was on its final editing
pass, you know, where you clean up the places where you spell "the" as
"teh" and such. And I had already written up the hard disk section
believing all was well, because at the time I thought I was fighting an
MMU bug.
Sandy was NOT PLEASED when I told her the manual had to be put on
"hold" and could not go out for duplication. We'd already been through
interesting hassles on test prints (one time they got the cover SR-71A
Blackbird art *reversed*, so the "USAF" was backwards -- wow, I thought
that would impress people a LOT!) and so forth. Sandy was busy doing a
good, good index on the manual (which is a *lot* of work -- if you didn't
know, there are professional indexers that make their living doing just
that!) and I had just told her that parts of her index might change.
There are times that working with one's marital partner can be
stressful. I didn't *quite* have to go sleep at the Ramada Inn after
telling her I hadn't nailed the hard disk problem completely. I emphasize
"Quite" to show you that Sandy is really a very fine person; I had told
her I felt the software was okay, and I was just having some flaky machine
troubles.
So my hard disk fumble had just held up about all the shipping parts
of the operation. We could not proceed on the manual without a "working"
hard disk chapter; we could not make master disks, get sample
duplications, and get a production run (you *must* check first items; I
have been badly burned by duplications that copy, say, 9 of 10 sectors per
track "because it was so obviously an IBM format disk.")
In desperation, I called up Doug (Wheeler), at ICD, who used
to work
here and who is no fool at all. Doug and I chatted about possibilities
for bugs to show up, the _FRB buffer (a 64K disk transfer area Atari ruled
Shall Exist on a TOS 2 or 3 machine) that hard disks and floppy disks
worked. He gave me some very intelligent suggestions on trying to "catch
the crash". In all honesty, I wish I had had Doug here during this debug;
he has a devious mind that works in a different way than my devious mind,
and we find more bugs that way.
I wrote a lot more software, and wrote a baby debugger (ok, I ripped
part clean out of Spectre; *I was in a hurry!*) to try to catch bugs. I
made self-booting floppies that rammed things into the system "Cookie Jar"
at early-boot time. I pulled more hair.
See, I still couldn't get ANY debugger information on WHERE the
crashes were! If I could get that, I could look at the code and go, "aha."
And the crashes were maddeningly random. I crashed a lot just loading up
the debugger!
For a while, I have to tell you, I thought it was the ICD software. I
eventually reached a point where I could make it bomb with 2,3,4, or 11
bombs fairly reliably by doing things in a certain order. (Wow! What an
accomplishment! He broke it!) But this made no d*mn sense to my
intuition. As I said, Doug is no fool, and he worked on that stuff with
Howard.
Then, in a mad coding session, I added a LOT more debugging code, and
suddenly, BAM! ... -all- the crashes stopped. I had added code to
"catch" the 2,3,4, 11 bombs, and was sitting there literally rebooting and
rebooting, running Boink and NBM11 and Tempus and DB and TRYING TO CRASH,
and it wouldn't crash (to my debugger, where I could see what was wrong).
I was totally hacked off because NOW I WAS READY to stomp the bug, see
what was wrong ... and it WOULD NOT CRASH. I was doing every foolish
thing you can do to an SST/ST to try to crash.
I'm still mad it didn't crash. It was a WIMP way for a bug to go
away, and maximum-effort way. And a very, very old thing came to mind.
It was from back in CP/M days (I kid you not) and when I did an 8080
emulator for a machine called the Dimension 68000. (I really ought to
give that code away. Remind me. It's interesting -- emulates 8080 on
68000. I learned 68000 while doing it.) Anyway, I had had a bad disk
buffer problem there.
I started checking REAL carefully just where every one of the disk
buffers was. Random crashouts, like I had just seen, can result when your
program gets overlayed, or stepped on, by data coming in off disk, and I
had had that problem on the 8080 emulator, talking to the 68000 portion of
the machine.
Guess what? Oh, yes, there was a problem! After getting a debugger to
load (tenth try or so), I found it out. One disk buffer was pointed at
the heart of the disk handler code.
Adding all that debugger code had made the rest of the code *JUST FAR
ENOUGH* farther down in memory that the runtime code was not clobbered by
a disk input to one of the disk buffers. In short, by adding debugger
code, I sort of fixed the problem. (The true fix is making enough room
for the disk buffer, of course).
I had been fooled by the stuff you need to do to write a program that
stays in memory after it ends, a "terminate and stay resident". For some
reason (which I could detail, but this is getting long), the TOS was not
telling everyone to stay the heck out of my program's section of memory.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW *LONG* THE NEXT PROGRAM I LOADED WAS, it either did
or did not kill off my disk handling code. DB was long; it killed things
off. QIndex was short. It did not. The key was 64K.
In addition, the Atari GEM Desktop was using SST RAM (TT RAM
equivalent; Fast-RAM) as a place to store files in memory while copying.
And, you guessed it. If the file to be copied was too long, crash.
What really hacks me off is that I should have triple checked that
after asking for X amount of memory to be locked away, it really DID lock
it away ... and all the time I spent tracing bugs that didn't exist, like
with ICD's software. I had just never seen this lock-away thing fail and
didn't suspect it.
And poor ICD. ICD was getting an "avalanche error", where things get
so screwed up at the start of the avalanche that they are hopeless by the
time ICD had any part to play. It was NOT THEIR FAULT. The carefully
traced-out calls were made, of course, with DB in there, shielding the
disk handler by its sheer length from the disk.
So.
I went and tested Atari's AHDI/HDX 3.02, 4.02, and 5, ICD 5.2.0 and
5.4.2, and Supra's 3.43 hard disk software (can you tell I was seriously
not going to tell Sandy again that the hard disks were flaky?) and ALL
WORK FINE. Oddly, Atari's 4.02 and 5 DO NOT REQUIRE the disk handler code
-- hey, guess why the Beta Testers were flying? The others do.
In fact, on Atari's software, someone seems to have done a
particularly excellent error-checking job in their code. Ken, tell Min
she did good, will ya?
Net result is that NOW, I have right here the master "SST Software
1.2" floppy disk and have re-written the manual to reflect all that I
learned the really hard way. If you read that portion of it and it seems
a little like I was stressed out while writing it, I was.
Interesting TOS:
But then a funny thing happened on the way to shipping...
*Because* we had been delayed in shipping while I researched the hard
disk bug, suddenly TOS 2.06 became available. We looked over 2.06 (we
were running 2.05, which required considerable "life support" for things
like floppy disks talking to SST RAM and other patches) and 2.06 was
really cool; someone even bent Allan's arm and he kicked on the IFDEF
equate that puts TT fastRAM for floppies into the code. (Thank you,
someone; I owe you about a thousand chocolate chip cookies). This was
SERIOUSLY COOL. It fixed other bugs, too, but I was twitchy on the floppy
code. And the funny thing was because we had been delayed, there was
still time to erase and go for TOS 2.06 in the SST.
I spent some time Ultraviolet Erasing the EPROMs that hold TOS, and
tried to make some new TOS chips. When I stuck them into an SST and
turned it on, they spat out, "ROM CRC ERROR ON CHIP E" or something like
that, indicating Atari or someone had built in a self-test for the ROM
chips (YEAH!!) and it was seeing a problem in the TOS ROMs. Applause for
Atari on this one, folks...
So I burned another set, and it did the same thing.
I "dropped back five and punted" (a phrase any Denver Bronco
fan should know!), went to the original chips, and made a VERY CAREFUL
copy of them through the EPROMmer, making every paranoid assumption I
can think of. Gee, maybe the SCSI card in there for the WORM drive is
conflicting. Out. Perhaps it's because it's an 8086 processor instead of
an 8088 with effective faster throughput. And to this raving paranoid
approach, I added, yes, Neil Young: Live Rust, CD-ROM, auto-repeat.
These next EPROMs worked perfectly.
Hokay, I said, let's find out what went wrong with those other idiot
ROMS. I compare/tested them on the IBM EPROMMER system.
Identical.
I stuck both sets into the SST, read them in, and did a file compare.
Identical.
I have NEVER SEEN THIS before and don't know why it happened. It
could be I just happened to get two bad sets of EPROMS that used to work
perfectly and killed them somehow, just a little bit, enough so they still
worked, but not all the way. Except the Atari cannot see the problem, the
IBM cannot see the problem ... except if I plug in the bad ones. I don't
know what's wrong. Help! (Doug?)
All I can think of in my bag of tricks is the EPROMMER went funny the
first burn runs, when I wasn't being paranoid, and over-voltaged the
EPROMS or something else really weird, so they are slow or aged or crusty.
Perhaps there is sorcery involved.
Anyway, after reporting to Sandy that I could not reliably burn EPROMS
on our machine, and being nearly exiled to the couch where the cat sleeps
(it just smells .. great ..), I could now tell her I could make them.
Miscellaneous Interesting Times:
When you put the new After Dark modules on to the Mac IIfx where the
manual is being edited, and your husband (choke) forgets to tell you about
the Installer, they cause a VERY HARD TO FIND crash. Yes, the manual
tells you to use the Installer. Looks like the System file was getting
corrupted -- thing would try to wake up, and say, "Finder has been
damaged, you can use System Tools to re-make it." After re-making it a
couple times and selectively killing INITs, we narrowed it to After Dark,
completely deleted and re-installed it, right this time, and got it
working.
It's so easy AFTER you know the problem, but there are so many things
that could be wrong. For a time it looked like a SCSI termination bug,
which is no easy AT ALL on the FX -- even worse than the original Mac
Plus, where termination is state of the art Vodun (voodoo).
This lost Sandy three days work on the manual when the main Quark
X-Press file became corrupted. The manual right now is 2.5 megabytes in
length, including all the EPSF diagrams and stuff. Like I tell people,
she graduated Computer Sci with a far better GPA than I did, and she had
done a good job on backups, so it wasn't a disaster -- just really
annoying. It runs to around 120 pages of 8 1/2 x 11. We Tell All.
Then, your 3-year old collides with an 80 pound German Shepherd and
breaks his nose, as they both round the corner of the stairs. Dog flees
in terror when child cries. Off to the doctor. X rays. (Imagine how
much fun this is by turning your radio to, oh, Motley Crue howling on
Volume=10, and driving around; Jamie is LOUD). Turns out his nose wasn't
broken; he wasn't grown enough for the bone to be out there. It was just
going to be one of those Kid's Tylenol things for a week or so. (The
doctor was sure it was broken, too!). Jamie looks like me; we both have
"raccoon eyes", me from lack of sleep, him from That Dog.
Cat likes sleeping on the UNIX-PC (AT&T 7300, an older machine)
because it is real warm. Cat also likes the FAX machines, but we were
getting mad about the number of cat hairs in the outgoing faxes (thin
vertical lines -- LOTS), so we "encouraged" her not to sleep on the FAX.
Cat apparently took a jump to wake up one morning, and our "out in the
open" phone wiring got scrangled; the wiring is only a foot above the 7300
and has some hand-twisted "pairs" where we've had to run new phone wiring
for the FAX, etc. One side of the phone wires snagged twists with the
ground I keep around for de-static'ing for computers. It spazzed out the
phones; they would give around half a ring, then abruptly stop. It took
me a few days to find this one; we thought the snow (it has been
blizzarding here several times) had, like before, seeped into the
underground phone wiring and screwed it up, so we expected the Telco to
find it. We expected wrong; the underground portion was fine.
If anyone technically into phones (*chuckle* - not THAT way!) wants to
tell me the effect of grounding one "side" of the phone line, I would
really like to know. It was eerily quiet in here. I know the 48V - 6V DC
part; I don't know how it relates (or IF it does) to ground.
People tell me they got weird half-rings or busy-outs or That Phone
Number Sucks messages.
So, after all these interesting times, as of Thursday:
The boards have long been done. They are starting to yawn when I walk
by. Ever seen a SIMM yawn? "Ship me, Dave, Ship me." Honest, they're
talking. It is NOT too much Neil Young. Last night it was the D-RAM
controllers arguing with the SIMMS, real distracting.
The software is now at 1.2 and is going into duplication.
The manual is on final-typo-edit; we laserwrite it, then off to the
printers for.. well, printing!, and heaven help them if they reverse the
SR71 again! We've tried very hard to make this better than the GCR manual.
The current plan, Murphy's Law Willing, is to ship this Monday,
January 20, 1992
Sandy and I are both very sorry for the delays in getting the SST out;
we sure didn't plan it this way, but it happened. I'm sorry for not
keeping more up-to-date online and answering questions, but as you can
see, *I didn't have answers* ... until that hard disk bug was found,
there was NO shipping, for example. Still, with network systems, people
are not used to us dropping offline; I should have checked in with a
status report earlier.
It's just a hard thing to say, "Well, I still don't know what the heck
is wrong." when you're the Shell Answer Man, so to speak.
I hope that this detailed report on where we went off the rails and
got back on them will help you out. Feel free to re-post it if you know
someone that needs the information. This isn't copyrighted and can be
freely copied; please don't alter it if you do, ok?
(That's why software people hate weekly progress report meetings at
companies; it shows how little they've accomplished all too well.)
As you might imagine, when I focus this tightly on a problem, I try
not to switch gears. System 7 hasn't seen a lot of work other than
tracking a get-extended-parameter-RAM into location 0 and above!! call
(which is a BIG mistake for the 680x0 processor!); need to look into it.
The MegaTalk boards have had their defective PAL's swapped out and are
being tested, about 75% of the way through on that. (The serial I/O PAL
was bad; we have been seeing some really bad failure rates on these
chips.) I didn't do many of the dishes, need to make that up to Sandy.
Jennifer didn't do her Mt. Fuji picture (I kid you not) until the night
before, up late, and WOW was she grouchy this morning at 6:30 AM; she's
doing a report on Japan and needed to draw a landmark.
And I grew a beard.
Sandy says it isn't scratchy, quote, "anymore".
When they actually, definitely are in the mail, we'll post a note.
Murphy Never Sleeps, neither does Neil.
-- thanks, Dave Small
Software Engineer & Bottle Washer
Gadgets by Small, Inc.
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> CHEEKY! STR FOCUS An article about Atari in Business Publishing!
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A CHANCE TO BE CHEEKY!
======================
Compiled by: Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr.
Atari-ST RoundTable
Category 15, Topic 23
Message 1 Sun Jan 12, 1992
D.VICHA at 16:01 EST
Jeff Williams asked me to start this topic in the midst of personal
uproar in my moonlighting time. Nonetheless, we've put our foot in the
door at a mainstream magazine that could help Atari promote the TT and
its superb desktop publishing capabilities. Thus, I'll try to explain
how it came about that Business Publishing is running a feature article
on Atari computers in its January 1992 issue.
Business Publishing, I must quickly point out, is the new name for
Personal Publishing, a magazine that has been covering DTP for six
years and one which has in the past covered Atari computers quite
fairly and in good, measured doses. Over the past few years I have made
attempts to get somemthing going in this locally based magazine--Carol
Stream is a boonie subarb of Chicago.
This summer, the new editor of Personal Publishing contacted Bill
Rehbock, Director of Technical Services at Atari for information
concerning Atari's Professional Systems Group and Direct to Press
systems, apparently in response to the recent Corporate Electronic
Publishing Show (CEPS).
I was in the process of contacting them, having learned of the
editorial change, and so a certain synchronicity presented itself: the
new editor wanted to have a feature in its January issue on alternative
DTP platforms. Amiga, Atari, NeXT, and Unix would be covered as
alternatives to Macs and PCs. I was given the task of writing about
Atari in 1,000 words or less. Not easy: give a brief history, describe
hardware and prominent software, and provide an example of a business
(they preferred 100-plus employees) using Atari computers for DTP. A
thousand words go pretty quickly.
The editor-in-chief originally discussed taking a cheeky, chip-on-the-
shoulder approach, but that would have required spending valuable words
denigrating a PC system in comparison with an ST system. I could have
done that with my experience using networked PCs and Ventura Publisher
where I work. I could have used 2,000 words just for that! The
Technical Editor, who was in-charge of handling my article, kept me
away from "cheeky" and more on the course of the way the article turned
out. My problem with the whole thing was it needed cheekiness, it
needed length. You can describe all the virtues of any of the systems
mentioned, but if you don't take the swipes that Macs and PCs deserve,
I don't think you can make DTP managers change direction, even with an
economic crunch going on.
Nonetheless, Business Publishing is a mainstream magazine, with a
90,000 circulation. Atari users need to respond, both in terms of
letters and in terms of subscriptions. Actually, you might check your
newsstand to see if its even carrying BP. A Software Etc dealer told me
he thought Personal Publishing went out of business!
The January 1992 issue has BUSINESS in tall yellow letters, flush right
above a short gradient- scaled bar and PUBLISHING in white caps below.
It gets a little weird from there, mixing purplish blue, little robot-
type figures, and boxes with the respective logos of PC, NeXT,
Commodore, Atari, and Unix. The main headline says: "Shoping For
Something New?" In smaller letters, it reads: "Check out the Amiga,
Atari, Unix, NeXT."
The editor-in-chief and tech editor both discussed the possibility of
having an Alternative Platforms column, revolving among the four
platforms covered. I would hope to be able to handle the Atari coverage
in the future, but I haven't been contacted in regard to such an
endeavor. If I weren't so occupied with other projects, I would try to
get the tech editor over to see my system and ask about whether they're
ready to print reviews of Atari software.
I hope that's what Jeff wanted. From here, I'll let everyone else
comment. I don't need to be stroked. Give Bill Rehbock and Atari the
strokes for making good impressions at CEPS and Seybold shows, and for
getting the Euro software into the competent hands of people like
Flashman, Eidsvoog, and Flannegan-Sellars. If you've got a dramatic
story about how you've used Atari DTP to outgun a PC or Mac system,
leave it here in detail for all to marvel and for me to use to continue
Atari's case in the mainstream. I may yet get a chance to be cheeky!
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> STR Portfolio News & Information Keeping up to date...
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THE ATARI PORTFOLIO FORUM
=========================
On CompuServe
by Judith Hamner 72257,271
As soon as the programming marathon was ended, plans were announced for a
new marathon. See the file THON.DOC for news of a 24 hour on-line
marathon scheduled for February. Mark your calendars, you don't want to
miss this.
The entire set of 1991 forum reports has been archived by BJ Gleason.
If you just joined or missed some of them check out NEWS91.ZIP.
Atari marketing is looking for volunteers. The details are in TGTEAM.
Don Thomas has announced a new product from his Artisan Software.
FSELEC.ZIP is a file selector program that runs with PowerBasic. Source
code is available for Basic programmers.
Another file selector offering comes from David Stewart. FILSEL.ZIP
contains the code for a bare-bones file selector. FF.BAS is a code
example for doing the wildcard filename searches necessary for creating a
file selector program.
Don Messerli has brought another breakthrough to Portfolio graphics.
FLIXRT.ZIP is a program that will let you creat a stand-alone PGX
animation. It will no longer require PGfliX to run. Don Thomas has
created another animation for us. GE.ZIP will display the GE logo.
We had previously described rle.exe by BJ Gleason which would display
weather maps. Now we have MAPS.TXT to explain how to download the maps
from CompuServe for viewing with the program.
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> TURBO BBS V2 STR Review "makes everything else.. seem second rate"
=======================
TURBO BOARD ST VERSION 2
========================
by Steven Leser,
President of P3ACE
SysOp of Laser BBS
719-527-1374
fidonet 1:128/78
I have seen reviews of other BBS systems in AIM magazine and
elsewhere, so... I had to make sure I had an opportunity talk about my
favorite BBS program, ///Turbo Board ST. Turbo Board is written by Bill
Miller.
Version 2 of Turbo Board makes everything else out there seem second
rate. Like Michtron advertised about its own BBS , Turbo 2 is FULLY user
configurable. You can set up your own menus, and affix whatever function
to whichever key your heart desires. You can also have Turbo 2 run any
external program from any menu. With these options at your disposal,
submenus, submenus within submenus etc. are possible. (In fact, I have a
Main menu for P3ACE members only, from my setup, with a separate games,
and utilities menu underneath that one). These menus are all in addition
to the standard main menu, and games menu that other users see.
The advantage of Turbo 2 is that there is no cryptic language to have
to learn. You can accomplish basically anything using simple batch file
commands in conjunction with the configurable menus.
Turbo 2 is modular in design. Bill Miller realized that he could not
incorporate all of the features that he wanted to provide for us in a
standard stand alone system, and still keep memory requirements down
enough for a 512K system to be able to run it. His solution was that he
created 11 separate system modules. When a user selects the file transfer
area, for instance, the BBS exits the standard system module, and loads
the files module. This opens up enormous amounts of memory for TSR's,
more complicated games, and makes running Turbo with external mailers
(i.e. Binkley for FidoNet) much more stable than under any other
platform. Amazingly, switching between modules is lighting fast. My
users never knew the difference.
One of the huge advantages of Turbo 2 is its message SIG system. No
longer are you stuck with one message area filled (Often with several
pages) of message bases.
Now, you can organize your similar message areas into SIGS.
For example, my BBS is organized into seven SIGS.
1 - Local message areas (with 8 message areas)
2 - P3ACE message areas (8 local message areas on Atari Computers)
3 - FidoNet computer areas (7 FidoNet network areas on Atari computers
anti Virus areas, antipiracy areas, etc...)
4 - FidoNet Domestic issues! (8 message areas on cooking, crafting, and
various other domestic type issues...)
You can assign access levels to each SIG, and you can still allow
different people access to only certain areas under each SIG. This is
probably my favorite feature of Turbo. It is more of the roundtable idea.
As GEnie and Compuserve have discovered, organizing common message areas
in this manner is a VERY much more comfortable operating environment for
the user.
Batch uploading is another wonderful feature! Users simply hate having
to sit by their computers while uploading files one by one. Now, with
batch uploading, the user can upload dozens of files at once, and return
near the end of the session merely to type in descriptions. Turbo offers
Ymodem, Ymodem G, Sealink, and Zmodem batch uploads!!!!
Turbo BBS Ver 2 is also fully FoReM compatible, that is to say, that
virtually every program, online game, nifty doodad that works with FoReM
and Turbo 1 will run on Turbo 2. Turbo creates Forem.dat, and
Dorinfo1.def files that most external programs and games look for when
they run. Most games are made to be run under these platforms!
As the Millers, of Bitblit Software say, Turbo 2 is simply the most
advanced, and powerful BBS system available for the ST, period!
Turbo Board Version 2's additional Features
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
- Expanded User privileges and Bitmaps for Passwords
- KByte/File Ratio System
- BBS Handles/Real Name system
- Full User File Editor
- Masked Sysop commands ( For Co-sysops)
- Many NEW Sysop Functions, including new File Editor and Password Editor
- Execute files from Main menu commands
- Many New Copy and Save Functions for Fmail, and other files
- Quick help edit prompt in message editor
- NEW Database, you can use archives, and users can easily upload new
database entries, entries have access levels
- BBS handles line answering instead of modem
- NEW Turbo System Generator with expanded features
- UPDATE program for Turbo V1 and Forem ST Sysops to convert to V2
- New Version 2 Manual (addendum for Version 1 Turbo Owners)
Version 2.1 is now under development and will be a free upgrade for those
Sysops running Version 2.0
New features will include:
- New Gem BBS Executive Version 3
- Qmail system in Message Base
- Integrated Full Screen Editor
- Some new Surprises...
Bitblit Systems
1580 Liveoak Dr.
Mississauga, Ont.
Canada L5E 2X6
Pricing:
~~~~~~~~
$89.95 US - USA and International MSRP
$69.95 US - Special price for FOREM ST V2 and EXPRESS ST SYSOPS
(With proof of ownership - manual cover or valid Fnet node)
$29.95 US - Special Update offer for Registered Turbo Version 1 Sysops
(Canadian residents may send CDN dollars instead of US)
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> CRAZY DOTS! STR InfoFile Crazy Dots video display adapter card
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Gribnif Software News Release January 15, 1992
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= =
= Crazy Dots =
= Video Display Adapter =
= =
===========================
Gribnif Software has announced the imminent North American release of
their new "Crazy Dots" video display adapter for the Atari Mega ST, Mega
STE, and TT/030 personal computers.
The Crazy Dots video display adapter allows the Atari computer to
drive a variety of VGA, Multi-Sync, and other high end color and gray
scale displays. The adapter supports resolutions up to 1,664 x 1,200
pixels, and can display up to 256 different colors or gray levels at
once.
Developed by TKR in Germany, the adapter is the fastest of its kind,
offering the ability to switch the display's physical resolution from
within any GEM program. Its numerous features include:
o Display up to 256 colors or grey levels from a palette of 16.7
million, in any resolution from 320 x 200 up to 1,280 x 800 pixels.
o Extended resolution support up to 1,664 x 1,200 pixels in mono,
four, eight, and sixteen color modes.
o Software uses an exclusive "line-a-emulator", for maximum software
compatibility (depending on the selected display mode).
o Mouse controlled hardware panning, which allows for the display of
any virtual resolution, regardless of the monitor's maximum physical
resolution.
o Connects to any Multi-Sync displays via a regular 15-pin VGA
connector.
o Uses Tseng Labs's powerful ET-4000 graphics controller.
o Includes one full megabyte of display memory, with full Blitter
access.
o Complete math co-processor support.
o Megabus model includes a bus "pass through" and socket for an
optional math co-processor.
o Includes a special "Video Application Slot" for future expansions
options, including: ECL adaptor, Genlock, and True Color display.
Crazy Dots is available in two models. The "Crazy Dots Megabus" model,
designed to fit into Atari's original Mega ST2 and Mega ST4 computers, is
available for $949. The "Crazy Dots VME" model, designed to fit into
Atari's Mega STE and TT/030 computers, is available for $999.
To place an order, or for more information, please contact Gribnif
Software directly:
Gribnif Software
P.O. Box 350, Hadley, MA 01035
Tel: (413) 584-7887, Fax: (413) 584-2565
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> Supra Specials! STR InfoFile SUPRA'S NEW 9600 MODEMS
============================
SUPRA'S NEW 9600 MODEMS!!!
==========================
Supra will be releasing 2 new 9600 modems - the 9600 Supra FaxModem
v.32 and the 14400 Supra FaxModem v.32bis at a retail price of $299.95
and $399.95 respectively. The v.32bis will be available in late January
1992 and the v.32 will be available in February 1992. Supra will offer
these two modems at a special price for Sysops.
Both modems support 300-2400bps (Bell 103/212A, V.21 / 22A&B / 22bis
/ 23), v.32 (9600bps), MNP 2-5/10, V42bis, 9600 send/receive fax
(v.27ter/29), class 1/2 (fax software-fax modem communication standard),
caller ID and voice. (Voice and caller ID can be enabled through low-
cost, user-installable firmware upgrades available mid-1992.) The
v.32bis model adds v.32bis (14400bps) and v.17 (14400 fax). This is all
packaged in Supra's famous small case (1" high x 4.5" wide x 6.5" long).
The modems will have 4 lights (RD/SD/OH/TR) and a LED display. The
display will show the connection rate, compression protocol, error
correction protocol, etc. in a rotating fashion.
->>> HOW CAN SUPRA SELL A 9600 MODEM FOR 1/2-1/3 THE PRICE OF
CURRENT MODEMS?
This year the price of v.32/v.32bis technology will tumble to new
lows. Supra is continuing its proud tradition of being a leader in
using new chipsets to lead the modem industry to a new price point.
->>> IF SUPRA IS USING A NEW CHIPSET, HOW CAN I BE SURE THAT THE
NEW MODEMS WILL NOT HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WHEN THEY ARE RELEASED?
Supra is using a new Rockwell chipset which condenses several of
their older chips into 1 chip. Rockwell is the leader in building modem
chipsets. A majority of current 9600 modems are based upon the older
Rockwell v.32 technology. We do not foresee any problems, but if a
problem does occur, Supra is committed to solving it as quickly as
possible. Supra also offers a 30 day Money Back Guarantee for products
that are purchased directly from Supra.
->>> MY LOCAL USERS USE USR HST MODEMS. WILL I BE ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE AT 9600 BAUD WITH THEM?
The maximum baud rate you will connect at with a HST modem is 2400.
Depending on the age of the HST modem, you may also get a v42bis data
compression connection. If the user uses the USR Dual Standard modem,
and it is setup correctly, you will connect at a baud rate of 9600 (or
14400 if using v.32bis). We expect that most owners of the HST modems
will be upgrading to v.32 modems.
->>> I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SUPRA. HOW RELIABLE ARE THEIR MODEMS?
Supra Corporation has been providing personal computer users with
high-quality, low-cost peripherals since 1985. In addition to
manufacturing a very successful line of modems, Supra makes a variety of
peripherals for Mac, IBM, and Amiga computers. Supra has excelled
because of its unique combination of quality products, competitive
prices, and excellent customer support.
Supra has a complete line of modems from a standard 2400 modem to a
2400 v.42bis, a 2400 FaxModem, a 9600 FaxModem and a 14400 FaxModem. We
have internal versions of most of these modems for the IBM and Amiga.
As with most of our products, every modem that we manufacture is tested
and burned in on our test machines.
To obtain one of the new modems under this Sysop offer, please
complete the following information and send it to:
Supra Corporation
7101 SW Supra Dr.
Albany, OR 97321
ATTN: Sysop Order or FAX the information to 503-967-2401.
If you have any questions, please contact either Supra's Sales Department
or the Technical Support Department at:
503-967-2400 (main 8-5pst)
503-967-2401 (Fax)
503-967-2410 (Sales 7-5pst)
800-727-8772 (Sales 7-5pst)
503-967-2440 (Tech Support 9-4pst)
503-967-2444 (BBS, 2 line v32bis)
CompuServe 76004,565
GEnie SupraTech
Bix SupraCorp
American Online SupraCorp2
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SYSOP INFORMATION
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BBS Name:________________________ BBS Software:________________
BBS Phone:_______________________ Type of System:______________
No. of Phone Lines:______________ Type of Modem used:__________
No. Calls per Month:_____________ No. of Modems:_______________
How long in operation:___________
ORDER INFORMATION
Date______________
BILL TO:_________________________________________________________
Address__________________________________________________________
City______________ State_____ Zip________ Phone____________
Contact Name:____________________________________________________
Circle one of the following: VISA MASTERCARD COD
Card Numbers__________________________ Expiration Date_________
SHIP TO:_________________________________________________________
Address__________________________________________________________
City______________ State_____ Zip________ Phone____________
Referred by:_____________________________________________________
PRODUCT
Model: Price: Quantity:
SupraFAXModem V.32 $199.95 (modem only) _____
SupraFAXModem V.32bis $249.95 (modem only) _____
SHIPPING
Route: Price: Quantity:
___ Ground $ 5.00/pc _____
___ Blue Label $ 8.00/pc _____
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Supra Breaks Price Barrier With Powerful SupraFAXModems
14,400 bps Fax and Data (V.32bis) Modem for only $399
ALBANY, OR, January 1992
A wide range of features - fax, data, voice, caller ID, unique status
display, small case, and very attractive price - all combine to make the
new SupraFAXModem(tm) family of modems from Supra Corporation an
intriguing new opportunity for computer users. The SupraFAXModem(tm)
V.32bis features 14,400 bps fax and data for $399.95 retail, and the
SupraFAXModem V.3atures 9600 bps fax and data for $299.95 retail.
On the fax side, both modems feature Class 1 and 2 commands,
compatibility with Group 3 fax machines, and the ability to send and
receive faxes directly from the computer. On the data side, both modems
support communication at speeds ranging from 300 bps to 14,400 bps (9600
bps for the SupraFAXModem V.32), plus they also support CCITT V.42bis, MNP
2-5, and MNP 10 data compression and error correction protocols. When
using V.42bis (4:1 compression), the SupraFAXModem V.32bis provides up to
57,600 bps throughput, and the SupraFAXModem V.32, up to 38,400 bps
throughput.
Both modems also feature a revolutionary status display, which allows
for an unlimited number of status messages. In a display that looks
similar to a digital clock, the modems presently give the user up to 25
different messages, conveying things like connection rate and type (FX),
dialing (DI), ringing (RI), and transmission error (TE). This display is
a great advantage compared with most other modems, whose finite number of
indicator lights limit how much information they can convey to the user.
All of these features are packed into a case about the size of two
decks of playing cards placed side by side (1" x 4.5" x 6.5") - a case
that is half the size of many other V.32 and V.32bis modems.
All that's needed to use an external SupraModem is a computer (or ter-
minal) with an RS-232C interface, communications software, and a cable to
connect the modem to the computer. Everything else is included: the
modem, operator's manual, quick-reference card, power adapter, and
telephone cable.
Voice & Caller ID
SupraFAXModems also support two important features - voice and caller
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The voice feature allows the modems to send and receive digitized
voice and implement several voice functions. The modems can compress and
uncompress voice data for efficient storage, generate and recognize touch
tones, and sample at various frequencies, depending on the quality level
desired. This feature will be useful for interactive applications such
as voice mail, answering machines, and digital announcers.
Caller ID (where available) allows the number from which an incoming
call was dialed to be displayed on the user's screen before the call is
answered. This will be useful for secure communications, automatic
identification of incoming calls, and interactive voice applications.
Innovation & Chip Sets Combine For Killer Pricing At $299.95 and
$399.95 retail, respectively, the SupraFAXModem V.32 and SupraFAXModem
V.32bis are about 1/2 to 1/3 the price of similar modems. Supra is able
to offer these prices because of innovative designs and state-of-the-art
chip sets from Rockwell International. "We are very excited about the
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we are able to deliver at these very affordable prices," said John Wiley,
President of Supra Corporation.
In addition to the stand-alone modems, packages that include cables
and software will be available for IBM PC and Macintosh computers. IBM PC
internal models will also be available.
About Supra Corporation
Supra Corporation, based in Albany, Oregon, has been providing
personal computer users with high-quality, low-cost peripherals since
1985. The SupraFAXModems (including the previously announced 9600 bps
fax/2400 bps data SupraFAXModem Plus) are the latest additions to the
popular SupraModem(tm) family.
Since the original SupraModem 2400 was introduced in 1987, SupraModems
have been popular among consumers looking for excellent value in a
reliable modem, and have been recommended by a variety of sour, from
respected PC Magazine and MacUser columnist John C. Dvorak to the Berkeley
Macintosh User's Group (BMUG). In addition to manufacturing a complete
line of fax and data modems, Supra makes a variety of peripherals for
Commodore Amiga computers.
SupraFAXModem Packages for Macintosh and IBM PC Compatibles Provide
Everything User Needs
ALBANY, OR, January 1992
Supra's two newest modems - the SupraFAXModem V.32bis and the
SupraFAXModem V.32 - are available as stand-alone units that work with
any computer with an RS-232C port, and as packages that include software
and cables for Macintosh and IBM PC compatible computers. The packages
provide everything the user needs to get started using the modem
immediately. The Macintosh packages are compatible with System 7 and
include FAXstf(tm) fax software, award-winning MicroPhone(tm) 1.5
telecommunications software, a CompuServe Information Manager kit and
software, and online service offers. Also included in the Macintosh
packages are a modem cable, phone cable, and manuals.
IBM packages are available with internal and external SupraFAXModems
for DOS and Windows. Windows packages include Winfax software, online
service offers, and all required cables and manuals. (Windows comes with
its own telecom software.) DOS packages include FaxTalk Plus software,
Mirror telecommunications software, online service offers, and all
required cables and manuals.
SupraFAXModem Retail Prices
SupraFAXModem V.32bis Stand-Alone $399.95
SupraFAXModem V.32 Stand-Alone $299.95
SupraFAXModem V.32bis Macintosh $479.95
SupraFAXModem V.32 Macintosh $379.95
SupraFAXModem V.32bis IBM PC external $449.95
SupraFAXModem V.32bis IBM PC internal $389.95
SupraFAXModem V.32 IBM PC external $349.95
SupraFAXModem V.32 IBM PC internal $289.95
DOS or Windows package
Various upgrade offers will let owners of earlier SupraModems upgrade
to fax capabilities. Supra also has a sysop program for the stand-alone
versions. The Supra Sales Department can provide customers with more
information at 1-800-727- 8772 or 503-967-2410.
SupraFAXModem Features
Feature SupraFAXModem V.32bis SupraFAXModem
V.32
Retail Price (Stand-Alone) $399.95 $299.95
Maximum Fax Rate 14,400 bps 9600 bps
Class 1 and 2 commands X X
Group 3 compatible X X
Send and receive fax X X
CCITT V.27 ter X X
CCITT V.29 X X
CCITT V.17 X X
Maximum Data Rate
(without data compression) 14,400 bps 9600 bps
Bell 103/212A X X
CCITT V.21/V.22/ V.22bis X X
CCITT V.23 X X
CCITT V.32 X X
CCITT V.32bis X
Error correction X X
MNP 2-4, MNP 10 X X
CCITT V.42 X X
Data compression X X
MNP 5 (2:1) X X
CCITT V.42bis (4:1) X X
Max. throughput, MNP 5 28,800 bps 19,200 bps
Max. throughput, V.42bis 57,600 bps 38,400 bps
Digital status display X X
Connection status (digital) 3, 6, 12, 24, 48, 72, 3, 6, 12, 24,
48,
96, 120, 144, FX 96, FX
Error correction status (digital) LP (V.42bis LAPM), same as V.32bis
M2 (MNP 2), M3 (MNP 3),
M4 (MNP 4), M5 (MNP 5),
M10 (MNP 10)
Data compression status (digital) DC same as V.32bis
Action status (digital) DI, RI, AA, CD, TE, TM same as V.32bis
Single LED status display OH, RD, SD, TR same as V.32bis
Case size 1" x 4.5" x 6.5" 1" x 4.5" x
6.5"
Upgradable to Voice X X
Upgradable to Caller ID X X
5 year limited warranty X X
Made in the U.S.A. X X
"AT" command compatible X X
Asynchronous operation X X
Synchronous operation X X
Compatible with popular
telecommunications software X X
Automatic adjustment to
optimal protocol and rate X X
Autoanswer/autodial
(tone or pulse) X X
Two modular phone jacks X X
Adjustable-volume speaker X X
Front panel ON/OFF switch X X
Stand-alone version X X
Macintosh(tm) package1 X X
IBM(tm) PC Windows(tm) pa X X
IBM PC DOS(tm) package3 X X
1) Macintosh packages are compatible with System 7 and include FAXstf(tm)
fax software, award-winning MicroPhone(tm) 1.5 telecommunications
software, CompuSeormation Manager(tm) starter kit and software, online
service offers, modem cable, phone cable, and manuals.
2) Windows packages include Winfax(tm) software, online service offers,
cables, and manuals. (Windows comes with its own telecom software.)
DOS packages include FaxTalk(tm) Plus software, Mirror(tm)
telecommunications software, online service offers, cables, and
manuals.
Supra Modem Upgrade Prices 10/91
This is the retail price of our modems and the cost to upgrade from
our older modems to our newer models. You need to contact Supra for a RMA
# to return the old modem. Once we receive it, we will ship out the new
modem. Or you can order a new modem from us and send the old one back for
a credit. Full means that you return the older modem, manuals, and power
supply (if it has one).
SupraModem 2400 Plus $199.95
Full-OK $ 99.95
Full-Defect $124.95
Just modem-OK $104.95
Just modem-Defect $129.95
SupraModem 2400I Plus $179.95
Full-OK $ 89.95
Full-Defect $114.95
Just modem-OK $94.95
Just modem-Defect $119.95
SupraModem 2400 ZI Plus $199.95
Full-OK $129.95
Full-Defect $154.95
Just modem-OK $134.95
Just modem-Defect $159.95
SupraFaxModem 2400 Mac $249.95
Full-OK $174.95
Full-Defect $199.95
Just modem-OK $179.95
Just modem-Defect $204.95
SupraFaxModem 2400I DOS $169.95 (Avail 11/15/91)
Full-OK $109.95
Full-Defect $134.95
Just modem-OK $114.95
Just modem-Defect $139.95
SupraFaxModem 2400I Wind $199.95 (Avail 11/15/91)
Full-OK $129.95
Full-Defect $154.95
Just modem-OK $134.95
Just modem-Defect $159.95
SupraModem 9600 $699.95
2400/2400I $475.00
2400 MNP $460.00
2400 Plus $450.00
SupraFaxModem v.32 $349.95 (Avail 1/1/92)
2400/I $259.95
2400MNP $249.95
2400Plus $239.95
9600 $179.95
MacFax $229.95
WindFax $239.95
DosFax $249.95
SupraFaxModem v.32bis $399.95 (Avail 1/1/92)
2400/I $299.95
2400 MNP $289.95
2400 Plus $279.95
9600 $219.95
MacFax $269.95
WindFax $279.95
DosFax $289.95
If you have any questions, please contact Supra via:
Supra Corp
7101 SW Supra Drv
Albany, OR 97321
503-967-2400 Main
503-967-2401 Fax
503-967-2440 Tech Support (9-4 pst)
503-967-2444 BBS
800-727-8772 Orders Only
CIS - 76004,565
GEnie - SupraTech
Bix - SupraCorp
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> Usergroup Starts STR FOCUS "Getting off on the right foot!"
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SO YOU WANT TO START A USER GROUP?
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Part V
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by Tim Holt
ACCEPT
In the past four articles, we have looked at the pros and cons of getting
a user group started, and what it all entails to do so. You, as a club
founding member, must realize several things by now:
1. You will spend money on the club from your own pocket.
2. You will spend lots of time getting people to just show up at
the meetings.
3. You will run into members that don't agree with you, and won't
help you.
4. You will run into members that want to pirate programs at the
meeting.
5. You will "burn out" mentally if you do not get help.
In this column, we will look at how to solve problems 4 and 5.
Hey Buddie, got any new programs???
It will happen. Some of the members of your club will try to use the club
meetings as monthly copying parties. These people don't care if it is the
latest programs, 10 year old programs, or programs that haven't even been
released yet.(Our club once had a member that prided himself on the number
of programs he had that were still in the beta test version stage. This
guy had every thing.He had a software version of the Spectre GCR! I don't
know how he did it, but it worked somehow...) And don't just assume it's
the kids that act this way. Our "would-be pirate" was about 55 years
old!)
There is only one way to deal with pirating in your club: Sternly. From
the very outset, your club should have some type of anti-pirate statement,
either in the bylaws, in the newsletter, something. Every member should
be made aware that at the time of getting a membership, pirating
activities will not be allowed. Plain and simple: The board, the
president, or some club officer, will have the authority to dismiss a
member for pirating activities during club activities. The member shall
forfeit any and all membership fees, and, will be dismissed from the club
forever. I know it sounds harsh, but face the music folks, pirating
killed many a company's interest in the Atari. Just ask the folks at
Spectrum Holobyte. Your club is a forum to support the ST/TT, not a
place to do it more harm.
Please note however, that your authority is limited to the club only.
What members do outside the club meetings, however unfortunate, is their
business. Billy Bob may be the worlds biggest owner of non-purchased
software, but if he keeps his nose clean during the meetings, then you
cannot, and should not, take any actions against him. Also, be on the
guard for rumors. Seeing is believing, and that's the only way it should
be. There will be times when someone will offer you a program. Politely
state that as an officer of the club, you cannot possibly copy software.
Set the example for the rest of the club. It may not impress everyone,
but that kid in the back might remember it, and that makes your example
worth it.
H E L P !
There will be times when you simply need help in the club. Here are a
few hints and tips to keep things moving smoothly...
1. Remember that the ST/TT line of computers can emulate the Macintosh
and MS DOS worlds very easily. Therefore, any demo that has been placed
out for the IBM and Mac world is fair game. Believe me, almost any
Macintosh program released has a demo that the company released for it.
All are disabled somehow, but all can be used for your next club's
meeting. Okay smarty, where do you get these demo's? Simple. If your
town has a Mac club, they have MAC PD software, and demos. Ditto for the
Ms Dos world (No pun intended.)
2. European magazines always have demo disks with them. ST Format, ST
User, etc, always come with a disk full of demos. Lot's of games. You
can get these magazines from your local dealer or through the mail order
places. Also, the magazines themselves make nice reading for members.
3. Atari User magazine is one of the best buys a user group can make.
Why? Because it's FREE! That's right, FREE. All your group has to do is
pay for the shipping. Atari USER is very up to date, and very nicely laid
out. A great magazine at a great price.
AtariUser
Quill Publishing Co.
113 W. College St.
Covina, Ca. 91723-2008
4. Make a magazine such as AIM, your newsletter. You save tons of time,
and the product is probably a zillion times more professional looking than
you could do. Of course, you lose some of the intimacy associated with a
locally produced mag, but the members in our club howl like coyotes when
they don't get the monthly AIM.
ATARI INTERFACE MAGAZINE
3487 Breaburn Circle
Ann Arbor, MI. 48108
5. Remember to go for the unusual speaker: Have a policeman give a demo
on home security, have a computer scientist give a speech on the history
of the computer, have a local computer store owner demo his wares, even if
he doesn't sell Atari.(he may change his mind after seeing 50 computer
users sitting there with checkbooks in their hands...) Get a musician to
give a concert at your meeting, or have an artist come in and try some art
programs with the computer.
6. Use Atari. Atari has this guy named Bob Brodie (Saint Robert to his
friends.), that can answer all types of questions, may be able to point
you in the right direction, or will darn near kill himself trying to find
out something for you. Drop him a line at Atari, or leave him a message
on GEnie. Really, for all their faults, Atari does sometimes, every once
in while, send out warm fuzzies to user groups. Who knows, it may be your
turn to get a fuzzy..
By getting help, you will feel a lot better about the club, and you will
avoid getting burned out by doing all the work yourself.
Well, I hope that this series of articles has helped you set up a user
group in your town. Drop me line sometime, and let me know how your club
is getting along. I would like to know any unusual ideas that your club
has used successfully in the past for a future article. My address is:
Tim Holt
10953 Yogi Berra
El Paso, Texas 79934-3283
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> ZEPHYR/ST PLUS STR Spotlight "THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY"
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ZePHYR/ST PLUS - THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY
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By Staff Editor: Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr.
In our STR750 issue, we printed some posts from the ST Round Table on
Genie concerning complaints about Zephyr/ST Plus. As always, there are
two sides to a story. The following is Bill Yerger's (Zepher/Microworld)
response...
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Atari-ST RoundTable
Category 18, Topic 3
Message 67 Sun Jan 12, 1992
W.YERGER at 01:52 EST
A few days ago someone notified me of this topic. They read it in ST
Report. Thanks, Ralph, otherwise I might not have known.
Zephyr/Microworld has been an Atari dealer since 1985. We have been
told that we were the largest retail reseller of Atari computers for
various long terms by Atari sales staff. We have thousands of satisfied
Atari customers, many of whom would not have bought Atari if not for
our enthusiastic support. We are currently in litigation with Atari
over several matters including lack of support for dealers and users by
Atari.
The shortage of TT's in 1991 was not limited to Zephyr and all persons
who did not want to wait beyond thirty days either got their money back
or a TT. Although we do not buy TT's directly from Atari, this merely
adds a few days to the process of a purchase.
David Beckmeyer was hired by my company in 1989 to produce point of
sale software which would track all credit card purchases successfully.
He failed to do so and then failed to show up with the promised
upgrade. Less than one in five hundred ever gets mischarged but human
error does happen. When it does refunds are made.
The point is, my company and myself are well known as Atari supporters
and Atari critics. While it seems I may have critics also, I know that
I have supporters. However, when you work seven days a week, 10 hours a
day for going on seven years, primarily selling Atari's and losing
ground to clones and Macs, one tends to get irritable on occasion. I
hope that my good points outweigh bad ones because I like people and I
like Atari computers. I would also like to make a good living selling
Atari. I think we have treated most people honestly and well, and most
people who come, leave feeling glad they have an Atari because at
Microworld the Atari ST/TT is king, and it is used more than any other.
But Atari sales are declining. Do we need to turn to backbiting while
we witness that decline? I hope not. I think rather we should try to
stick together. In the interest of that, I will try to correct any
criticism.
Microworld has grown from one desk, a half dozen 520's in 700 square
feet to two stores totalling 4300 square feet and a very large selec-
tion of ST software. Everyone of our technicians and salespeople has
an ST in their home.
If you wish to see if Microworld is an honorable establishment, I in-
vite you to come to one of our two locations, either 2434 Dwight Way at
Telegraph or 1514 University Ave., and judge for yourselve whether we
deserve your support.
I do know that when an earnest ST user comes in he or she has their
loyalty and intelligence more honored than in any other place that I
know of. Some come in every few days, some less frequently. Most are
helped and all get a twenty per cent discount. We are staunch anti-
pirates and suffer shoplifting of valuable products such as four
Notator keys, one DynaCadd key, and three Spectres.
I am honorred to have been Published in Current Notes and hope that
these writings have been informative. I also apologise for any
inaccuracies of myself or any others. I do believe that Current Notes
is the best written and most informative Atari magazine in America.
Once again, Zephyr/ Microworld has many supporters. We will also take
seriously any criticism just as we have taken accolades from users,
user groups, and even at times from Sam Tramiel, and endeavor to be an
honest imaginative and fun dealership. Of course that has always been
best when Atari money was flowing.
As for software coming into America, F Card represents hundreds of
hours and thousands of dollars to try to bring quality ST software to
America. Is this irresponsible?
......
Zephyr will will investigate and attempt to satisfy all complaints. If
anyone wants to speak with me directly with any criticism or compliment
I am available 10-6 seven days (510) 845-2000 or on the Microworld
Bulletin Board, since 1986, (510)845-1789. Thank you for your help and I
will read any comments in this topic now that I am aware of it.
Bill Yerger/STMAN
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> STReport's Editorial Page "Saying it like it is."
From the Editor's Desk
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This week's issue is BIG because, for a change, there's a great deal
going on to 'perk up' the Atari Userbase. ISD is getting close to the
"magic time" with Calamus SL. The Namm Show is on for this weekend. In
fact, it starts today in Anaheim Ca.. The announcement detailing the
offering of the Dev kit is encouraging in as much as there will now be new
developers on the Atari Platform with more to offer the users and
especially, the potential new users.
The time is now at hand, for all Atari users who care, to join
together and urge Atari to make the big push. We have asked, cajoled,
begged and petitioned Atari to advertise. To 'sing the song' to the US
marketplace. It has always, seemingly, fallen on deaf ears. The time to
do it is now, the machines are cost effective and easy to learn to use.
The other platforms are dropping prices and the OS used on those platforms
is either difficult to learn or from the time of kerosene lamps. Atari
pursuing the US market now in a tight but moving economy makes good sense.
The products all of them have the charm, the eye appeal and with a
userbase having the chutzpa it does, Atari has a very good shot at the
"winner takes all" button! No question or objection will go unanswered.
Will the "call" go unanswered? I sure hope not.
The entire US home computer market is a real (not imaginary) computer
hungry, sleeping giant. The companies on the other platforms are now
beginning to realize this fact. All one need do is take note of their
marketing targets. This is a golden opportunity for Atari, as it always
has been. Please Atari... take advantage of it.
The future of Atari series will resume next week with a look at the
apparent goals Atari has had and appears to have at this time.
I'd like to take a moment to thank the user who sent us a note
mentioning the fact he was on the Well and someone "even is posting
STReport up to USENET for worldwide distribution. Now, that's an
audience..." Thanks a bunch for that info!
Thank you for all your wonderful support!!
Ralph............
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> STR Mail Call "...a place for folks to be heard"
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From GEnie's ST RT
User uneasy over Pratt's departure...
Category 18, Topic 20
Message 141 Sat Jan 11, 1992
S.JOHNSON10 [Steve] at 00:38 EST
After hearing that Greg Pratt has now ALSO left Atari and thinking about
the STE/TT being the mainstay for Atari for the next 2-3 years, I am
finally seriously considering, after 12 years as an Atarian (6 as an
ST'er!), selling off my entire STE system and getting <ick!> an IBM
compatible (at least a 20MHz '386 w/ SVGA).
I'd like to stay with the Motorola processors, but I can't stomach the
thought of buying an Amiga and can't afford the color Mac's at present.
I've already gone over 4 years without ANY local support and a low level
of national support for the ST which gets lower and lower every day. It's
FINALLY gotten to the point where I just cannot fight for the support any
longer. If and when the new Atari machines DO come out, I may consider
buying one if they have the right features and the right price.
Otherwise, I think I'll buy a Mac further down the road! All of you who
are staying with your Atari, you have my utmost respect as you certainly
have MUCH more patience than I (and I think waiting patiently for Atari
for over 5 years has been quite a lot!). I will still certainly stand up
for Atari computers and continue to defend them when IBM'ers/etc. laugh at
them. However, I can NO LONGER truthfully recommend that anyone buy an
Atari as any kind of "general purpose" computer. As a specialized
computer (MIDI and maybe DTP), I may still recommend it, though. If I DO
leave, I DO promise to drop by this RT BB and harrass all of you every now
and then! <grin>
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From GEnie ST RT
Atari Online Rep calms user's fears.....
Category 18, Topic 20
Message 142 Sat Jan 11, 1992
TOWNS [John@Atari] at 03:00 EST
I can assure you that Greg Pratt's depature will not have a negative
effect on the marketing and sales here in the United States. Bill Rehbock
Art Morgan, and James Grunke handle the marketing and have been since
Greg took over the US Corp. Sales is still being handled by Mike Groh
and the rest of the sales group. We are still continuing our plans for a
vastly improved 1992 and Greg's departure will not have any negative
effect on those plans.
As for your comments about the STE and TT being the mainstay for the
Atari line for the next 2-3 years.. well, I can say with some amount of
certainty that Atari is working on some really neat things that you will
see long before the end of the 2-3 year period you mentioned.
Another point: Have you ever really _used_ a DOS machine? If you have,
then you would probably think twice or maybe three times before
purchasing one of them. They are horrible. They have have a large
software base to draw from, but if they are hard to use and make your
life harder, what is the point?
-- john
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From GEnie ST RT
Good advice from S. Winick of Computer Studio
Category 18, Topic 20
Message 143 Sat Jan 11, 1992
S.WINICK at 08:26 EST
Steve (Johnson):
Spend a little time on one of those MesSyDOS machines before making such a
committment. Play with "Windows" a little -- gosh, didn't my old 8-bit
Atari scroll text faster than that 386/25 with Windows? How may of those
'great' DOS utility programs will you have to buy and install just to give
you a useable level of utility to that cludge of an operating system?
Lets see...... Windows looks really neat onscreen but is a kludge and
quirky as hell. Norton makes some really good patches. Perhaps Deskview
might be better. Well...... all those levels of subdirectories we're used
to using on our Atari's that keep the directory structure so simple.....
why do they seem so complex and unwieldy on that 'clone'? Lets, see.....
how 'bout adding a couple more SIMMs.... hmmmmmm, which jumpers do I have
to change on the mother board just so the stupid thing knows they're
there? And where the heck did I put those instructions on how to modify
the CONFIG.SYS file to tell DOS they're there? Gosh, it was so easy on
the ST. Hmmmmm, that external modem worked just fine on my ST. Oh, yes, I
have to go back and reconfigure the system to tell it something's
connected to COMM port 1 --- or is it 2?
How 'bout looking at a directory of a program. Gosh, it's so simple and
short on the Atari ..... just the main program, perhaps an INF file or two
to store our defaults, and a few supplemental files for the rest. Ever
wonder why the DOS versions of even the simplest of programs require a
directory full of independent files? Ever watch how busy the hard drive
gets on those DOS machines whenever you do ANYTHING? Hmmmmmmm..... seems
like they're really running at disk access speed more than that 33MHz the
processor is rated at, aren't they?
The bottom line is that any computer is merely a tool to accomplishing a
task. Select the best tool for the task at hand. If you have a task that
requires a software package that's only available in an MS-DOS version,
then by all means that SHOULD be you computer of choice. Or if you want a
great 'game machine' with VGA graphics, stereo sound (you'll need to add a
SoundBlaster or equivalent and a set of powered stereo speakers, of
course) and a good selection of game software, then a clone may also be a
good choice. But better plan on a real large hard drive --- the current
crop of games and simulations in DOS versions frequently require between
6-9 megs of hard drive space, EACH! And while the clone market offers a
huge selection of software, I'm sure that you'll quickly discover that
perhaps 90% of it is going to be 'trash' when compared to what you're used
to on the Atari platform. And.... better be prepared to spend around
$50-150 for each of those really neat utilities and accessories that
you're so used to seeing as PD or shareware on the ST platform.
On the other hand, if you're looking for a great all-around computer that
offers real ease of use, and excellent selection of well-written software,
look no further than that 1040STe sitting peacefully on your desk. Your
concerns about the shortage of local dealerships and support are quite
valid. Those problems are being addressed, and the situation will
hopefully improve as time goes on. But in the meantime, there are several
excellent dealers right here on GEnie that are more than willing to assist
you in whatever your needs or desires require. And Atari's online
representatives are ready to provide you with accurate information
regarding what's really going on.
Don't let Mr. Pratt's leaving affect your decision. Personnel changes are
not all that uncommon in any business. People move around between
companies all the time. We're all going to miss Mr. Pratt, and wish him
our best in his new position. But I'm certain that Atari's FUJI will not
crumble merely because of his departure. Under his reign, we saw many
personnel changes, including the coming onboard of many of the Atari folks
who are so active right here in this category providing direct sources of
communication between ourselves and Atari.
I realize that it's hard to not get disillusioned when you're faced with
such overwhelming sheer numbers of MS-DOS machines and users, but an
occassional visit to an Atari user group, regional dealership or AtariFest
once in a while for a dose of Atari-pickup will do wonders for morale.
Sheldon Winick (IADA/Computer STudio - Asheville, NC)
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From GEnie's ST RT
About TOS 2.06 & 1.44mb Drives...
From CIS RE: UNIX & Atari
#: 55374 S10/New Products
16-Jan-92 00:59:38
Sb: #55275-Mice for the ST
Fm: Greg Wageman 74016,352
To: bob wilson 72355,1637
Exactly!
Someday, Unix may be come the home-computer operating system of choice,
but if it does, Atari Corp. is not going to be the driving force for it.
If I were shopping for a Unix box, Atari/IBM/Apple/Commodore would be the
*last* systems I'd look at, because their Unix solutions (if any) are
second-rate at best. I'd look at the vendors who have been providing Unix
solutions all along: Sun, Apollo, Silicon Graphics, etc. I prefer Sun
because I work with them and know them, but any of the others will be
similar.
The small-computer Unix offerings tend to be crippled in some way or make
compromises that are limiting. I see the TT as a way to extend my ST
investment into a later generation of computing hardware, with the
possibility of moving to Unix if it proves practical, but I'm not counting
on it.
By the time I outgrow the TT, Suns may be affordable... or something
entirely new may be available, like Crays-on-a-chip. One can only
hope....
-Greg
From the FNET
Conf : STReport Online
Msg# : 18094/18094 Lines: Extended Read: 3
Sent : Jan 17, 1992 at 10:14 AM
To : Mr. B
From : -=[the Geek]=-
Subj : ATARI COMPANY
Well, Atari insists that there are over 4000 programs availale for the
STe/Mega STe/TT030 computer line in their literature. Unfortunately, they
are also touting the availability of Microsoft Write (which is still at
version 1.0) and DeskSet (Leonard Tramiel's software project which works
only with the Atari laser printer, I believe). They also do not state
that of the 4000 programs available, a _HUGE_ chunk haven't been upgraded
since late 89/early 90 (and even that time limit is being gracious!).
I had read a book about marketing high-tech products, and the author gave
Atari a thumbs off for blowing fluff... The book is called "How to Market
High-Tech Products". Interesting...
NOTE
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This message was copied over from the 16/32 base... Its topic and
strength is that its an almost identical string thats now appearing on the
major services. It would be a great idea to pursue this string.
Perhaps the whigs at Atari will get the message. Mark Williams C,
remember that program? Well, WE DO... it seems that STReport carried an
item about 18 months ago about them dropping (quietly) ST support for a
number of reasons including the Atari market. Well, a certain individual
at Atari went "ballistic" over the matter and demanded a retraction. We
didn't. So a parallel story was pumped out saying the story came from a
software tech at MWC who was recently fired and therefore, the story was
sour grapes. Now, the facts are clear by the performance of MWC.
Folks here it is 18 months later, MWC has yet to do a thing for the ST
platform. Shall we now begin a constructive thread in this base about
the software available on the Atari platform and its lack of updates and
support? Wouldn't it be wonderful if the software we are using was able
to take full advantage of our new 1st. class hardware? How sweet it would
be indeed, if the software companies like Word Perfect etc., aggressively
updated and upgraded their software on the ST platform as they do on the
MAC and IBM platform.
What programs do you use and how is the support for them. Also, what
programs do you wish would be updated and suported on the ST platform?
Let's her from you... maybe just maybe... Atari will listen and DO some-
thing constructive instead of another dumb vendetta.
Ralph @ STReport
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