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Atari C manuals
Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
DCDataDiet and .snd files
Demos upload to ATARI.ARCHIVE.UMICH.EDU
Flavours of ST
High rez boards for STEs (3 msgs)
How do I change a floppy serial number?
Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #615
Multitasking of Desk Accs and apps:
Pay Stubs of the Rich and Ataried
Quick-ST 2 or 3 wanted (2 msgs)
Rodney's UUCP and three step logins
ZIP for the ST
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Date: 27 Nov 91 01:18:28 GMT
From: coplex!disk!unknown@uunet.uu.net (unknown)
Subject: Atari C manuals
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The way I see it: I've bought Lattice C 5 and a big manual on programming
in C.. But their are so many subtle little differences between Lattice and
Ansi standard (IMHO) that my programs, no matter how scrutinized, seem to be
full of errors. Lattice comes with three manuals, one on lattice & friends,
the others on the library and header files...
Hmm, well, I'm a beginning programmer. I'm swamped with work (high school)
I've spent IMO alot of money for a bunch of disks I'm unable to use. What do
I do now? I beleive I have two options. Sell Lattice and hope for enough
money to put into getting a memory upgrade and tos upgrade, or figure out
lattice's and Atari's C.. I have no Atari specific programming books, nor do
I know where to aquire them. I have no idea where a certain register is. And
beleive me I am envious of those who know the ST inside out, but I have no way
to do it myself. I really don't want to sell my C, but it's useless to me if
I have no idea how things work on the Atari.
If you have anything to offer, whether it be a recommendation or an offer
on Lattice V 5, just drop me some mail. :(
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Shawn Beltz :) :) :) The opinions expressed in this message are
unknown@disk.UUCP the opinions expressed in this message are
uunet!ukma!corpane!disk!unknown the opinions expressed in this message....
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Date: 26 Nov 91 23:49:29 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard
Covert)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov26.141528.12615@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
ttinfo@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes:
>In article <9939@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>>
>>First, the TT is a bit underpowered seeing as how it is basically just
>>a 16MHz 68030. Oh I know the CPU is running at 32MHz but the I/O buss
>>is still 16MHz and UNIX is VERY I/O intensive (can you say disk swapping?).
>
>Think of other possible Unix computers at the same price, and then you
>would not find the TT underpowered. I would never give my TT away for
>a 386 or 486 clone or a low cost Mac. Macs with the same performance are
>three times as expensive.
>
>>But hay, pay out the $6 to $8 grand that an Atari Sys V development
>>system would cost. I would rather pay the same bucks and buy a Mac IIFX
>>with Apple's A/UX. At least I know Apple will be around for awhile!!
>
>I don't know where you can buy a IIfx for the same price as an ASV
>development system. Maybe there are some differences between Germany and
>the USA, but out here the IIfx costs twice as much. But keep your
>hands off A/UX, Version 2.x is simply unbearable, and the 3.0 version
>I saw a few days ago crashed as often as System 7 :-)
>I wouldn't buy expensive computers like that if their OS is that buggy.
ah, so A/UX is buggy. do you really think that Atari's UNIX will
be any better? Heck, Atari still can't make a multitasking OS for the
TT, so I don't place much faith in their UNIX porting abilities!!
>
>Get ASV, if you can - me, I can't!
>
>Markus.
>
>* /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart *
MArkus, you hit the nail square on the head. The Macintosh computers
ARE much cheaper here in the USA then they were just 12 months ago.
A MAc IIci is a 25MHz 68030 and can be bought for about $3100 sans
keyboard and monitor. Add $700 for a decent COLOR monitor and keyboard,
and another $500 for Apple A/UX 2.01 and you are still under $5,000.
A Mac IIFX should add about $1,000 to that price, so now you are at
$6,000. A Quadra 700 is a 25Mhz 68040 which blows away the TT in]
power, so I won't compare it in price. I really believe that the TT030
is comparable in performance to the MacIIci and not the Mac IIfx, since
the TT030 uses a 16MHz I/O bus, even though the CPU is clocked at 33MHz.
In any case the USA price of a TT030 is about $3,000 for the TT030
with say 8 megs of RAM. Adding TT RAM is VERY expensive since you have to
buy a memory board which only Atari supplies, and which is in short
supply right now. So, adding memory to a TT is more expensive than adding
the same amount of memory to a Mac. Thanks Atari!
The ASV costs another $2,000, plus you need the $1,000 monochrome
monitor. So, you are up to $6,000 for an Atari computer. That is just
about what a MacIIFX with A/UX and a COLOR monitor would cost.
Then you need to factor in the availability of backup devices for the
TT/ASV system. Sure it has a SCSI interface but WHO sells device drivers
for such exotic devices as 4mm Digital Audio Tape drives, or the
Sony SMO magneto-optical read/write drives? Or the newest 3.5"
Sony SMO drives? Or even just the old fashioned DEC 60megabyte
tape drives.
It is when you need to add peripherals that the sorry shape of the Atari
market really is noticed.
But with a Mac you can add almost any type peripheral including CDROMs.
And they work under A/UX as well as the Mac OS.
And that's another thing, A/UX supports Mac apps. But ASV won't
run ST/TT apps, so throw away all of your TT programs cause they
won't work under ASV.
Now that is how things shape up here in the USA. I hear that things
are much different over in Germany, and for you lucky folks maybe the
TT with ASV makes sense. But not here in the States!!
--
Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org
CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
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Date: 26 Nov 91 20:08:31 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!ersys!mforget@arizona.edu
(Michel Forget)
Subject: DCDataDiet and .snd files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes:
> Does anybody out there know (this probably means you, Mike) if
> DC DataDiet will compress .snd files? This would be very
> nice! I was reading about DataDiet in STInformer, where the
> writer says that DataDiet will compress any data file and then
> lists a variety of types that it WILL compress...but .snd
> files are not included. So, it is hard to determine whether
> or not .snd files will work.
> Since .snd files are so large, compression on the fly here
> would be very beneficial.
> --Gerry
> ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
It will, but the compression of sound files won't be anything fantastic
in terms of space saved. They mention this in the manual. They also
talk about random data being hard to compess, but I'm not to sure what
files consist of random data other than sound files.
DataDiet will compress anything that is not an executable, though.
<< ------------------------------------------ >>
<< mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >>
<< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
<< Michel Forget >>
<< "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, >>
<< for they are not happy campers!" - UNKNOWN >>
<< ------------------------------------------ >>
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Date: 23 Nov 91 18:33:04 GMT
From:
news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utorvm!ryerson!eeng6801@rutgers.rutgers.edu
(me)
Subject: Demos upload to ATARI.ARCHIVE.UMICH.EDU
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have sent THE WALKING SPIRIT Demo and ST EROTICA #1 to a.a.u.e.
TWSDEM_A.MSA (Tracks 1-41)
TWSDEM_B.MSA (Tracks 41-82)
This demo contains 2 screens with equalizers, scroller, main picture and
soundtrack music (4 voices (MOD type)) They should work on the TT but no
guarantees. It also contains 3 512 colors animations. This anims are of
ADULT material. Adults Only.
-
EROTIC1A.MSA (Tracks 1-41)
EROTIC1B.MSA (Tracks 41-82)
This is a disk magazine. It contains articles, pictures and 1 demo.
It uses normal GEM menus. This magazine contains ADULT material.
-
If you have any comments send them to EENG6801@RYERSON.CA and I'll pass
them along.
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Date: 26 Nov 91 21:23:56 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!slxsys!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Iain Laskey)
Subject: Flavours of ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The letters after ST stand for the equipment included. The F means built in fl-
oopy. The M means modulator and the E is enhanced (stereo sound, more colours)-
All machines now have double sided drives and you can't tell a single sided
machine by its name (except that it will be an FM, but an FM could be double
sided!)
Megas have seperate keyboard & system box with internal expansion slot.
Mega STe's go 16mhz (as opposed to 8), have seperate keyboard, VME slot,
STe extras, very nice machine.
TT's are 68030 machines. Nice but overpriced.
Regards
Iain
###############################
# Iain R Laskey #
# ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk #
###############################
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Date: 26 Nov 91 22:19:51 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!brahms.ecn.purdue.edu!ye
gerleh@arizona.edu (James D Yegerlehner)
Subject: High rez boards for STEs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear Netters,
I know that there are several overscan hardware thingies for the ST
that allow mono resolutions of nearly 800x600. I hear that
these boards don't work with the STEs. Is anyone aware of any
boards that do work with the STE? I'm already aware of the Omnimon
Peripherals Omnichrome and another board offered by Rio Computers,
but these are pricey %$400-$500. I have an NEC Multisynch GS2A, and
would love to have 800x600 resolution.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Jim
--
__ __ | |
\ / __ __ __ __ | __ |__ __ __ __ Jim Yegerlehner
\/ |--'| ||--'| ||--'| || ||--'| 1132 Hawkins Graduate House
| `-- `--|`-- | |`-- | || |`-- | W. Lafayette IN 47906
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Date: 26 Nov 91 22:59:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-sta
te.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!firenze!
wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: High rez boards for STEs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov26.221951.18350@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
yegerleh@brahms.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes:
|> but these are pricey %$400-$500. I have an NEC Multisynch GS2A, and
|> would love to have 800x600 resolution.
Will a Multisynch GS2A work for monochrome on an ST? I think people would
be interested in knowing this...
--Bill
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Date: 27 Nov 91 06:25:23 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!brahms.ecn.purdue.edu!ye
gerleh@arizona.edu (James D Yegerlehner)
Subject: High rez boards for STEs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov26.225908.16794@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, wmagro@firenze.uiuc.edu
(William Magro) writes:
> In article <1991Nov26.221951.18350@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
yegerleh@brahms.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes:
>
> |> but these are pricey %$400-$500. I have an NEC Multisynch GS2A, and
> |> would love to have 800x600 resolution.
>
> Will a Multisynch GS2A work for monochrome on an ST? I think people would
> be interested in knowing this...
>
> --Bill
Yes, it works beautifully for high res. For those who don't know, the
NEC MultiSync GS2A is the gray scale version of the 2A. It says in
the manual that it accomodates vertical resfresh rates of 50, 60, and
70 Hz. It has a 14" flat screen, tilt and swivel base, controls on
the front that let you slide the image vertically and horizontally
and enlarge it, and its a _very_ pretty monitor. I think the phosphor
gives a whiter screen than my old Atari mono monitor did. I would
highly recommend it. The good part is, you can find places in Computer
Shopper that sell it for $170, about what the Atari monitor sells for.
The one slightly disappointing thing about it was the size of the display
area when I first hooked it up: only about 2/3 of the screen area was
used, the other 1/3 remained black. I took the cover off and adjusted
the trimmer pot labeled "size", and that helped, but I still can't get
the screen image to go all the way out to the edges of the screen.
I haven't had much luck displaying the color modes, though. It kind of
works, except that each of the three color signals seem to be shifted about
1/3 of a screen with respect to each other. This I can deal with by
using the control panel to turn off all colors but green. But there's
another problem: the left edge of the display starts about 1/3 of the way
across the monitor, and wraps around such that the right edge of the
display ends up overlapping the left edge by a good 1/3 of the screen width.
In other words, if I move the mouse all the way across the desktop from left
to right, it will traverse the screen one and a half times! Does any
one knowledgeable about video signals know what could cause this? COuld
this be caused by the OMNISWITCH box I'm using? I poked around inside
and it looks like the video goes through some 74LSXX before going to the
multisync connector. Or is this inherent in a gray-scale multiSync?
Thanks,
Jim
--
__ __ | |
\ / __ __ __ __ | __ |__ __ __ __ Jim Yegerlehner
\/ |--'| ||--'| ||--'| || ||--'| 1132 Hawkins Graduate House
| `-- `--|`-- | |`-- | || |`-- | W. Lafayette IN 47906
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Date: 26 Nov 91 17:34:45 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net (Graham Thomas)
Subject: How do I change a floppy serial number?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <kj41l5INNgpd@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, by kenneth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
(Kenneth W Samson):
> I am in search of a simple utility that will allow me to
> change the serial number of a disk to a value that I choose.
>
> Surely someone out there uses one.
>
> I am currently using a sector editor, and would like to know
> if there is utility to do the same in a safer manner.
Newer versions of George Woodside's VKILLER (e.g. 3.84) allow you to do
this in relative safety. It also has a number of nice side-effects,
like keeping your disks virus-free, letting you make disks formatted
with old TOS versions PC-compatible, etc.
Graham
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
Email: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk Phone: +44 273 678165 Fax: +44 273 685865
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 12:32:58 PST
From: Jack Chow <jchow@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #615
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
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Date: 22 Nov 91 13:34:54 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice.hobby.nl!harold@uunet.uu.net
(Harold van Aalderen)
Subject: Multitasking of Desk Accs and apps:
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Nov16.063825.19390@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, James D Yegerlehner writes:
>1. Suppose I had a very number crunching intensive program that needed
>to run for several days. Is there any reason why I couldn't write
>a desk accessory that would crunch away in the background while I ran
>all my normal applications in the foreground? In such arrangement,
>what would determine how much CPU time gets spent on each of the
>two processes (and any other DAs that are installed and "running in
>the background.")
There is one problem, AES is not really multitasking but more like
taskswitching on a message bases.
When ever a AES call finishes AES looks at the top of a list and executes
the program marked ready to run.
To get on that list you first must use an event_x call to request a certain
input from a device (or an alarm from the timer). The program than gets the
WAITING status and when the desired information comes available it is put
at the end of the READY to RUN list.
Conclusions: TOS programs that do not make any AES calls will blok all
the other programs. (exect does driven by system interrupts)
Taskswitching is only performed when KEY or MOUSE input is
requested by some program.
MultiGem is an kind of extension to AES in the way that it makes the
scheduling mechanism used for ACCS availebale for all programs.
It is still not a multitasking program only a task-switching program.
True multitasking** can only be implemented by rewriting large amounts of
GEMDOS and BIOS code because the I/O part of TOS is not really setup
for multitasking. (I believe that is what MINT does).
Until Atari adopts some standard and forces all developers to follow it.
And Atari develops a true multitasking TOS we will have to live with
programs like MINT and MultiGem including all incompatiblity risks.
** with true multitasking I mean that a program can be interrupted in the
middle of any kind of operation include disk I/O. Ofcourse on a single CPU
system there can never be more than *ONE* set of instructions active.
--
Harold van Aalderen | harold@alice.hobby.nl
| {...!mcsun}!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice!harold
alice: She's not the neighbour girl nor is she living in wonderland
Who it is? For me to know for you to guess.
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Date: 22 Nov 91 13:44:04 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice.hobby.nl!harold@uunet.uu.net
(Harold van Aalderen)
Subject: Pay Stubs of the Rich and Ataried
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Nov14.015646.8335@isc.rit.edu>, jgm8260@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Here are the salaries of top Atari brass as of 4-15-91 :
>* salaries deleted *
>Just thought I'd let you all know, for what ever good it may do you.
What kind of country do you live in that this kind of private information
can be published on a world wide network. Don't you have any respect for
peoples privacy!!
--
Harold van Aalderen | harold@alice.hobby.nl
| {...!mcsun}!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice!harold
alice: She's not the neighbour girl nor is she living in wonderland
Who it is? For me to know for you to guess.
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Date: 26 Nov 91 17:30:17 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net (Graham Thomas)
Subject: Quick-ST 2 or 3 wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> In article <1991Nov19.223453.30@microsoft.com> darekm@microsoft.com (Darek
MIHOCKA) writes:
>>In article <1991Nov18.121040.11899@cs.ruu.nl> jjevissc@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen
Visscher) writes:
>>>Is there somebody out there who is willing to
>>>send me a copy of Quick-ST 2 or 3. I am using
>>>version 1.6 but this one is not bug-free I
>>>believe.
>>>
>>> Jeroen Visscher
>>
>>Not this again. Another whiny bellyacher cheapskate net user who expects all
>>software to be free and handed to him on a silver platter. Prove me wrong
>>by actually spending a few bucks. Quick ST 3 is available from various
>>dealers for as little as $12. If you say you can't afford that, you're lying.
I have some sympathy with Darek's not wanting to see his software
pirated. However, if he'd looked at the origin of the original posting
he'd perhaps moderate his tone a little.
I doubt if Quick ST is widely distributed in the Netherlands, and so it
might be excusable for the original writer not to know about the newer
commercial versions. (Agreed, if he never paid any shareware
contributions he's in the wrong, but the cost and hassle of getting
small amounts of money across the Atlantic is not inconsiderable.)
Also, I doubt *very much* that anyone in the Netherlands could obtain
Quick ST 3 for $12. Prices tend to skyrocket once software crosses the
Atlantic (and this assumes there are any dealers willing to stock it in
that country).
Darek seemed quite friendly before he moved to Microsoft. I guess
that's what working for a multi-million dollar corporation does for you
(with apologies to any friendly people at Microsoft!)
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
Email: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk Phone: +44 273 678165 Fax: +44 273 685865
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Date: 26 Nov 91 22:46:46 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!olivea!news.bbn.com!noc.near.net!garbo.ucc.um
ass.edu!dime!michael@arizona.edu (Michael Kieras)
Subject: Quick-ST 2 or 3 wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov25.165524.2577@msb.com> ritz@msb.com (Chris Mauritz) writes:
>In article <1991Nov19.223453.30@microsoft.com> darekm@microsoft.com (Darek
MIHOCKA) writes:
[Mihocka stuff deleted]
>Oh geez, not another whining post from you. Maybe people don't buy your
>software because they don't like your juvenile attitude?
This is _precisely_ why I won't use Branch Always products. As it is, I'm
disappointed that I bought the ST Xformer from him when it was still
shareware. I'd like to avoid using Microsoft products for the same reason
(well, ok, that's not the only reason), but if I ever switch to using an
Intel machine, that won't be easy.
Michael Kieras
michael@cs.umass.edu
I do not speak for my employer.
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Date: 26 Nov 91 19:19:27 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!wsu-cs!vela!swo
od@arizona.edu ( EVENSONG)
Subject: Rodney's UUCP and three step logins
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have need to use a UUCP program on the ST, but the hosts file for
the mercury package will not allow me to have three steps in the login
process (at least not that I am aware of)
I need to issue a connect message to the server that I call with my modem
to tell it what host to connect to before I get a login message or a
password prompt
Anyone out there have any ideas that may help??
swood
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---- Insert favorite .signature here ---- | swood@argo.acs.oakland.edu
| swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Bitnet: swood@Oakland | swood@unix.secs.oakland.edu
UUCP: ...!uunet!umich!{vela, argo, unix, nucleus}!swood
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Date: 26 Nov 91 17:17:24 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!usenet.coe.mont
ana.edu!ogicse!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!atilghma@arizona.edu (Adam Tilghman)
Subject: ZIP for the ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <50704@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>Gerard Pinzone writes:
>>I need a program that ZIP's files on the ST. Currently, there only exists
>>a beta version of one on atari.archive.umich.edu and it's really buggy.
>I've only seen UNzip programs for the ST,
You might try ST-Zip 0.9, which can compress ZIP files... Or
this might be the buggy beta version :-) [However, I have used
0.9 to compress ZIP files without any problems]
--
==== Adam G. Tilghman - atilghma@sdcc13.ucsd.edu - (619)558-2141 ====
== "Martha, fetch my rifle - thar's another UCSD ECE undergrad!" ==
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