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32K or 64K?
4Mb upgrades...please help
80N86 Emulation.
<<NEW>> ATARI SM147 monochrome monitor.
Atarians! Where Are You?!
Atari developer documentation (2 msgs)
Atari HDX
Bard's Tale won't work!
Copy of 1st Word went bad....
Current TOS version?
DELUXE PAINT/GOLDEN IMAGE MOUSE PACKAGE!!
I cant get Zoo to work!
Looking for LOGO for the ST.
Need INFO on Tape backup for MEGA-2
Turboass
What to do? (2 msgs)
Which are the Roms?
Zmodem and UNIX
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Date: 20 Jan 92 06:00:55 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!portal!atari!kbad@arizona.edu
(Ken Badertscher)
Subject: 32K or 64K?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
leo@ehviea.ine.philips.nl (Leo de Wit) writes:
|mid equ init+32768
|init
| lea.l mid,a5 * Use a5 as program text pointer
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not position independant. I think you meant lea mid(pc),a5
| bsr atstart
| rts
|atstart
| ...do stuff here...
| jmp atend-mid(a5)
| ...etc...
|atend
| ...do stuff here...
| jmp atstart-mid(a5)
64K modules use up 4 registers for segment pointers to get fully
position-independant code: stack pointer, frame pointer, data segment
pointer and code segment pointer. With 3 scratch registers, that
leaves the hapless programmer with one address register for local
variables. Less than optimal when the CPU gives you 8 to play with.
And... <shudder> this whole discussion is reminding me of
Intel-architecture memory models. Eeeuuw. ;)
--
||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad)
||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine
/ | \ #include <disclaimer>
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Date: 20 Jan 92 09:12:36 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!snorke
lwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!LRZnews!NewsServ!seibert@arizona.edu (Ewald
Seibert)
Subject: 4Mb upgrades...please help
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <randallm.695303986@p4.cs.man.ac.uk>, randallm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk
(Martin Randall) writes:
|>
|> Can anyone out there recommend a good upgrade 4Mb upgrade for a
|> 1040STF (TOS 1.0) ? Many thanks.
|>
|> Martin Randall
|> ______________
Dear Martin
The smallest expansion (with 4MBit chips): 4MB 399.- DM
3MB 277.- DM
Form: Friedhel Heyer & David Neumann
GbR Hardwareentwicklungen
Promenadenstr. 50
W-5100 Aachen
GERMANY
Hope it helps
Ewald
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Date: 20 Jan 92 10:50:15 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.e
du!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz!opal.cs.tu-berlin.de!gismo@arizona.edu
(Gregor-Sebastian Mischke)
Subject: 80N86 Emulation.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <farcbc0j@cck.cov.ac.uk>, esx070@cck.cov.ac.uk (Brevan Miles
(esx070)) writes:
> Hello out there,
> I want to run programs for the IBM PC machines on my ST and as far as
> I know there are two ways of doing this.
> 1) Use some emulation software such as PC Ditto.
> 2) Buy a chip which does the emulation.
> I have heard the second option can be bought, but what I want to know is,
> How good is it? How easy is it to install? Where can I get it and how
> much does it cost? How fast do they run the programs?
> If anyone out there has, or has seen such emulators, please let me know what
> they are like.
Well, I think, you heard about hardware-emulators like vortex-ATonce, AT-Speed,
PC-Speed, Supercharger in almost every constellation.
The most of these stuff has a processor 80C286 on it, but there is also PC-Speed
having a NEC V30-chip on board. Vortex, for example, made a 80C386SX-emulator,
with the highest performance about 15.2 Norton-Index, which is a normal AT
performance. And the best follows: nearly every program runs on that board, it
is very easily installed and also easy in using, for a price about DM 250,--
for a PC-Speed, DM 450,-- (AT-Speed, ATonce), and about DM 700,-- for a
80C386SX.
ask your local compu-center for more details.
Gregor
--
Gregor Mischke Internet:
Techn. Universitaet Berlin gismo@cs.tu-berlin.de
FB Informatik
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Date: 17 Jan 92 17:46:49 GMT
From: noao!ncar!news.miami.edu!umiami!dlk0ms9s@arizona.edu
Subject: <<NEW>> ATARI SM147 monochrome monitor.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
ATARI has a new monochrome monitor on it's way for the ST/STE.
The SM147 is a 14 inch monitor with tilt/swivil base and stereo sound.
The list is $237.95 and is due out in the 2nd quater of this year
Mark Santora
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Date: 17 Jan 92 19:47:52 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chi
net!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Atarians! Where Are You?!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Before people start getting REALLY abusive, please think: isn't it more
useful to have a newsgroup where you can get information reasonably
efficiently than to let the whole world know that you've told some jerk
how wrong he is? Or to let the whole world know that you agree with
someone who has, after all, said what needed saying?
Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us
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Date: 20 Jan 92 00:44:06 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard
Covert)
Subject: Atari developer documentation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan17.075620.6104@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mmiller@isis.cs.du.edu
(Mark Miller) writes:
>This is truly a great event in the history of Atari, since the
>Tramiels took over anyway. I believe there was such documentation
Well this is truly a great thing, it is just a little too late!!
There are soo few ST/TT developers left in the USA that I doubt
that the release of the ST/TT Notes will help at this point.
As for me, please read my article in STR804 (due out next Friday)
to see why I won't buy the Atari Devloper Docs pack.
It is said that Atari Corp had to wait until the USA market was effectively
dead to release developer docs which could have had a BIG impact 4
or 5 years again!!
Well, just another example of the poor management at Atari Corp!!
--
Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org
CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
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Date: 20 Jan 92 12:15:09 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!th
ink.com!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu
(Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Atari developer documentation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <10238@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
> In article <1992Jan17.075620.6104@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mmiller@isis.cs.du.edu
(Mark Miller) writes:
>
> Well this is truly a great thing, it is just a little too late!!
>
> There are soo few ST/TT developers left in the USA that I doubt
> that the release of the ST/TT Notes will help at this point.
>
> As for me, please read my article in STR804 (due out next Friday)
> to see why I won't buy the Atari Devloper Docs pack.
>
> It is said that Atari Corp had to wait until the USA market was effectively
> dead to release developer docs which could have had a BIG impact 4
> or 5 years again!!
>
> Well, just another example of the poor management at Atari Corp!!
> --
> Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org
> CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
Well have a think about this one, they could be bailing out the sinking Ship.!
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 17 Jan 92 19:56:42 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chi
net!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Atari HDX
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <52888@cup.portal.com> Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com writes:
>Recent info' says they are just finishing the docs, and will be releasing
>HDX 5.0 RSN. Should be available on all the services, guessing a couple of
>weeks.
This sounds reasonable (not that that counts for anything). What with
handling ACSI SCSI and ESDI, and trying to take advantage of any special
features available, HDX 5.0 is complicated enough to benefit LOTS from
documentation.
Steve J. saj@chinet.chi.il.us
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Date: 20 Jan 92 10:38:30 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-stat
e.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as666@arizona.edu (Jonathan
Roy)
Subject: Bard's Tale won't work!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
- It keeps telling me there's a disk error when it tries to read the
- picture disk. I've done a TOS upgrade (to 1.4) since the last
- time I ran this. Could someone confirm that TOS 1.4 is the reason
- this won't run on my system? If so, does anyone know of a patch
- that will allow it run with TOS 1.4?
TOS versions above 1.2 won't run Bard's Tale as is for some reason.
There is a program by Keith Ledbetter called BARDRAM which copies the
first disk into RAM, and runs the program from there. This will allow
you to play it on TOS 1.4. Using the same program, but off a hard
drive, will allow you to run Bard's Tale on TOS 1.4 and up. (TOS 1.6
in the STe won't work with the RAM disk. Not enough RAM.)
--
||| Jonathan Roy (The Ninja) Internet: as666@cleveland.freenet.edu
||| -- BBS: Darkest Realm - (Down for now) - Public UUCP/Usenet --
/ | \ "...make him want to change his name,take him to the cleaners,
devastate him, wipe him out, humiliate him." -CHESS GEnie: J.ROY18
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Date: 20 Jan 92 04:00:04 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-st
ate.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!al885@arizona.edu (Gerard
Pinzone)
Subject: Copy of 1st Word went bad....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
My copy of First Word went bad. Where can I get it replaced? Is there a
charge?!
--
_______ ________ ________ "Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.)
/ ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).(
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/______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/
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Date: 20 Jan 92 10:57:56 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz!opal.cs.tu-berlin.de!gismo@arizona.e
du (Gregor-Sebastian Mischke)
Subject: Current TOS version?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan14.132507.15579@syscon.rn.com>, miked@syscon.rn.com (Mike
DeMetz) writes:
> cjd@zatch.Corp.Sun.COM (Chris Drake) writes:
>
> >I am planning on resurrecting a rather old 520ST (yep, only 512K), but since
I
> >have very old ROM's in there I was curious as to the current level of TOS -
the
> >latest which will run on a 520, if that makes a difference; plus what's
changed
> >dramatically in the last few years...
>
> >I assume these are available from Atari? For a price; any ideas on what they
> >charge for these things?
>
> The latest version for 520/1040 is 1.4. Most Atari dealers ;) should have it
> for about $70. BEST Electronics is one source. You probably have 1.0.
Well, it isn't quiet correct; the latest TOS Release is 2.06 and it's about DM
198,-- , just as the Version 1.04.
But there are osme bugs in 1.04, so you should probably get 2.06 made for STEs.
don't worry, there's a way installing it on an old ST for sure. look out for
some platines, your compu-shop should have it already there .....
Gregor
--
Gregor Mischke Internet:
Techn. Universitaet Berlin gismo@cs.tu-berlin.de
FB Informatik
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Date: 16 Jan 92 23:40:11 GMT
From: noao!ncar!news.miami.edu!umiami!dlk0ms9s@arizona.edu
Subject: DELUXE PAINT/GOLDEN IMAGE MOUSE PACKAGE!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
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Date: 20 Jan 92 07:16:05 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway@arizona.edu
Subject: I cant get Zoo to work!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've been trying to get Zoo.ttp to work for the last couple of days
and even with the recent postings I can't get it to work.
I've tried the following with both zoo.ttp and the file zooboy.zoo
in the root directory of the a: drive:
After I click on zoo.ttp and the the parameter box I tried:
x zooboy.zoo
x zooboy
x [aA]:[\] zooboy[.zoo]
In other words, I tried both with and without the .zoo extender
on every other option, and I tried both upper and lower case on the
drive option, and with and without the backslash.
The only thing that happens is that it takes me right back to the
GEM desktop.
zooboy is supposed to be a graphical interface for zoo but you need
to be able to use zoo to unzoo Zooboy!!!!! #@&*%$!!
I'd dearly appreciate someone mailing me a way out of this!
Thanx,
Eric Hohnbaum
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Date: 20 Jan 92 02:08:03 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.
edu!rcte2p@arizona.edu (Paul Stephen Sears)
Subject: Looking for LOGO for the ST.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I remember that once, along time ago, Atari used to ship LOGO with the
STs. Well, I am now teaching 7th grade Computer Literacy and one of the
units that is covered is LOGO. I am looking for a LOGO program, either
PD or comercial. Is the version that Atari used to ship now considered
PD? If it is, can someone send it to me through email??? Thanks!
--
* Paul Sears * Technology *** |"The greater an individual's power
* The University of Houston *** | over others, the greater the evil that
* RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu * * * | might possibly originate with him."
* RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD)
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Date: 19 Jan 92 17:08:03 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-s
tate.edu!rpi!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chinet!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen
Jacobs)
Subject: Need INFO on Tape backup for MEGA-2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan16.032718.2461@highland.oz.au> colinm@hls0.oz (Colin
McDonough) writes:
>
> I have a Atari MEGA-2 with 40M hard disk box. I need a Tape_backup system
to keep the data safe.
> No one seems to know too much about this stuff in Aus. but say that there are
a few backup systems in the US.
> So, if you know more about this than I ( wouldn't be hard ), please let me
know what, where and how much etc. by direct email or posting to this
newsgroup.
>
I got my tape backup system from Berkeley Microsystems, P.O. Box 20119,
Oakland, CA 94620 (USA). The phone number on their letterhead is (415)547-
2191, but the area code may have been changed. David Beckemeyer did the
software for it. It works well.
Steve J. saj@chinet.chi.il.us
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Date: 20 Jan 92 03:31:17 GMT
From: aahs.no!karloey@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Karl Anders Oygard)
Subject: Turboass
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
mcsun!uknet!edcastle!kev@uunet.uu.net (K S Shea) writes:
>Hi - I've been using the TurboAss assembler lately and I'm wondring how to
>get it to load in the debugger (which I assume is bugaboo.prg) to avoid
>to leave the editor every time I want to test something out.
>Any ideas?
There should be an option to have TurboAss load bugaboo automatically on
startup somewhere in the 'Settings...' menus (At least there is in my
copy - v1.7.11). Note that keeping both TurboAss and bugaboo in memory
simultaneously is impossible on 512KB ST's and cranky on 1MB's. 2 megs
of memory recommended.
/Email: Karl A Oygard <karloey@aahs.no> 'May you live in interesting times!'
/Karl Anders Oygard - regd. dev for Atari Norway - ancient Chinese curse
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Date: 20 Jan 92 01:15:30 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!slxsys!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Keith Sommerville)
Subject: What to do?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Have you looked more closely at the HD in your TT? I have the same spec TT as
you and the label on the bottom of the TT says 8Mb/40Mb. The drive was partiti-
onedi
into 4 10Meg partitions. However, looking at it with ICD software revealed tha-
t it was
it was a 48.5 meg drive. Why do Atari hide something like that, or is it just -
a one
one off?
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Date: 20 Jan 92 06:19:56 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!portal!atari!kbad@arizona.edu
(Ken Badertscher)
Subject: What to do?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
ksommerville@cix.compulink.co.uk (Keith Sommerville) writes:
|[...] the label on the bottom of the TT says 8Mb/40Mb.
|[...] However, looking at it with ICD software revealed that it was a
|48.5 meg drive. Why do Atari hide something like that, or is it just -
|a one one off?
I confess!
It's a conspiracy by Atari to steal 8.5 megabytes from you.
You caught us red handed. Boy, it's a good thing those nice ICD people
are around, or Atari could have stolen millions of megabytes from TT
hard disks all over the world. Darn them, anyhow. That rat Tom Harker
is always fouling things up for us by making easy-to-use powerful
peripherals. We tried putting him out of business with a bizarre
high-capacity hard disk scheme, but he just figured out what BGM meant
anyhow.
Now our plot to keep 8.5 megabytes of each ST157N we sell is foiled.
Geeze, we can't get away with anything any more, can we?
...ken
p.s. I think if you check again, you'll find that the TTs sold with
ST157N 48 meg drives are partitioned 12 megabytes per partition. If
not, just use HDX to repartition 'em. The default partition size for
the ST157N is 12 meg plus a bit.
--
||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad)
||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine
/ | \ #include <disclaimer>
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Date: 20 Jan 92 07:28:19 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway@arizona.edu
Subject: Which are the Roms?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
--------
I have an old 1040 STf and am looking to buy a set of Tos 1.4
chips, maybe even from someone who is upgrading to 2.06.
I opened up a broken 520 STfm only a year or so younger and
could not positively identify the Rom chip set. I'd been told that
it would either be a 6 or a 2 chip set. I found a 6 chip set under
the power supply, but I can't be positive that those are the roms.
They are the only chips that are obviously a set and also are the only
socketed (not soldered) DIP chips on the board. The only other possibilities
would be two square chips with pins on 4 sides surrounded by some
plug-in casing.
The numbers on the 6 chips are:
(the numbers in [] are the ones that differ from chip to chip)
First line:
C02616[0-5] -001
Second line:
RP23256 015[0-5]
Third Line
6M3 [either 6D A2 or A8]
They are arrayed in 2 rows of 3 diretcly under the power supply
I haven't opened my 1040 but it's likely that it will be the same
Anyone know for sure where the Rom's are?
I'm also looking to buy a set of them, if anyone is looking to sell
or knows a good place to buy.
Thanx,
Eric Hohnbaum
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Date: 19 Jan 92 02:15:22 GMT
From: van-bc!jonh.wimsey.bc.ca!jhenders@uunet.uu.net (John Henders)
Subject: Zmodem and UNIX
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1992Jan17.151004.9116@ericsson.se>, Louis Lagendijk writes:
>>I'm having trouble sending and receiving files using zmodem. Here's my setup:
>>
>Yes, it looks like your network server messes around with the
>data. It either removes or translates certain characters in
>either direction. Try kermit with the 7-bit option, and check
>whether that helps.
If sz on the Sparc is anything like sz on SCO Unix, you have to set
the -b flag to force binary. Try sz -h for a list of flags and options.
On the same subject, sx on SCO Unix does x and y modem as well, and
offers a batch flag, but if I set that, it sends something in the header
of the first file that blows up my Y modem batch. Is it trying to do
Y modem G? Anyone know details on sz?
--
John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Vancouver,BC or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
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