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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 30 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 56
Today's Topics:
(And all those stupid Amiga/Next msg's)
Anonymous FTP..
CHECKERBOARD GRAY AND TOUCHUP
Did anyone write a good read() for Mint (or TOS)?
MapleV
MASTER V6.0 (SHAREWARE)
Mega/STe question (2 msgs)
Multifinder for Atari-ST ?
QuickST3 -> MEGA_STe... / CrackArt
Shellp, Gulam, GFA Basic
SM124 Monitor Problem
STOS 3D
TOS 1.4 fixes?
Uniterm manual
Useful information
uuencode & uudecode
What to do?
Yet another ST for sale
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Date: 30 Jan 92 09:39:44 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!alchemy!piet@uunet.uu.net (Piet van Oostrum)
Subject: (And all those stupid Amiga/Next msg's)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I think the best thing to do is to send these people mail messages staing
that their discussion is in the wrong group.
It would even be better if we had a moderator (not a censor) who could
cancel messages like this and other amiga flamers
--
Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University,
Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands.
Telephone: +31 30 531806 Uucp: uunet!mcsun!ruuinf!piet
Telefax: +31 30 513791 Internet: piet@cs.ruu.nl (*`Pete')
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Date: 30 Jan 92 14:36:17 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!infnews!vreeken@uunet.uu.net (Maarten Vreeken)
Subject: Anonymous FTP..
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan30.121137.8238@actrix.gen.nz>, Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
|> Is there a list of Anonymous FTP, Atari support sites that some
|> one could send to me, or direct me to were I could find such a list..
|>
|> Thanks..!
|>
|>
|> --
|> *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
|> *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
|> *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
|> *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
A frequently asked question.
Here are some sites and their addresses:
atari.archive.umich.edu 141.211.164.8
cs.uni-sb.de 134.96.252.31
faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de 131.188.31.3
jyu.fi 130.234.0.1
rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de 129.69.1.12
sol.cs.ruu.nl 131.211.80.5
um.cc.umich.edu 35.1.1.43
star.cs.vu.nl 130.37.24.6
At least one of them will have a FTP-list with more sites.
Maarten Vreeken (vreeken@cs.utwente.nl)
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Date: 30 Jan 92 16:50 -0300
From: CHIASSA@Umoncton.CA
Subject: CHECKERBOARD GRAY AND TOUCHUP
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I had part of a map with areas of homogenous gray shading
at least on the screen that I prepared with "TOUCHUP".
The resolution was 300 DPI. I saved it as a TIFF file and
then imported it into WORDPERFECT 5.1. All of the gray
shading comes out in a checkerboard pattern. Is there
anything I can do to cure this, I don't even known what
causes it.
Thanks
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Date: 30 Jan 92 13:00:42 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!warwick!nott-cs!dpg@uunet.uu.net (`Grave' Dave Gymer)
Subject: Did anyone write a good read() for Mint (or TOS)?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <MUTS.92Jan28220220@fysaq.fys.ruu.nl> muts@fysap.fys.ruu.nl (Peter
Mutsaers) writes:
>for some applications I would very much like to be able to have a
>read() (or an Fread() implemented in the kernel even better) that
>generates vt52 escape sequences from Funcion/cursor/etc keys, so the
>ST can be a real vt52.
>
>Also, I would like that ALT-combinations do not return '0', but the
>ascii code, with the 8th bit set. This would make porting of unix
>editors/shells with full keyboard use much easier. (I hate to resort
>to GEM and do not even start it up at a reboot).
There is a relatively easy way to do this under MiNT; you write a program
which opens a pseudo-tty as the server, then opens it as a client, too,
then spawns a shell (like bash or tcsh) which is on the client end of the pty,
and then reads input from the console (via Fgetchar() or Bconin()), and
converts F-keys and so on into vt52 strings, before passing them down the
pty to the shell. It must also print the shell's output on the screen
(although it could just leave the shell's o/p attached direct to the console).
(The select() call comes in handy here!)
Hope this helps some...
--
`Grave' Dave Gymer | "When your problems seem like mountains,
42 St Mary's Park, | You feel the need to find some answers,
Louth, Lincs, | You can leave them for another day,
LN11 0EF, ENGLAND | Don't try so hard." - Queen
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Date: 30 Jan 92 09:07:47 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!bernina!h
b9zz@arizona.edu (Marco Zollinger)
Subject: MapleV
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi
I just bought a licence for the MapleV symbolic math package for the
Atari ST. It works very good and quite fast, but the problem is that
there is no 3D plot possibility. My question is: Is there somebody of
Waterloo University on the Net? Does somebody know if there are plans
to devlop this feature?
Thank you in advance
Ciao --- Rick
--
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Opinion expressed here are mine, and I'm proud of them !!!
And don't forget that: "No problem is so big or so complicated that it can't
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Date: 29 Jan 92 19:45:40 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!sbsvax!coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de!uhf!pingu.saar.su
b.org!edgar@uunet.uu.net (Edgar Greuter)
Subject: MASTER V6.0 (SHAREWARE)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi!
If you are not interested in commandline oriented shells, you should say 'n'
now. To everybody else, i have to offer a special goodie:
The newest version of MASTER (V6.0) is now available as SHAREWARE.
Today i have uploaded it to cs.uni-sb.de in /pub/atari/shells. Look
for master.zoo.
What is MASTER ?
It is a shell for all Atari ST computers. It feels a bit like COMMAND.COM and
a bit like /bin/csh for unix. If you have worked with Gulam or similar shells,
you should take a look at it.
Which resources do you need to run it ?
An Atari ST computer with at least 150 kB of RAM, a single-sided disk drive and
TOS version 1.0 or later. MASTER will run on a TT, but some features might not
work (probably you would never need them).
What are the basic features of MASTER ?
You get many built-in commands, editable command lines, history, expansion of
shell-variables with a single keystroke and file-name completion. MASTER can
execute external programs (TOS, GEM or MiNT) or batchfiles. You can use i/o
redirection for any builtin or external command using >, >>, 2>, 2>>, 2>&1,
1>&2, <, << and | or the special variable-redirections of MASTER into and
out of shell variables =>, ==>, ->, -->, <-.
What are the advanced features of MASTER ?
You can use most of the extended argument passing conventions ever mentioned on
the net (including MWC, xArg and the Atari standard) thus passing up to 32 kB
of parameters to any program knowing about these methods (BTW: 32 kB is the
limit that TOS has for passing environments to programs, with xArg you could
pass as many bytes as you like).
You get symbolic links (much like those in MiNT - but we had them back in
1987) that affect any program using GEMDOS filesystem calls. You can also watch
the activities of programs related to files.
You get pipes (using in-core-buffering instead of temporary files) between any
two commands wether builtin or not.
You can use job-control in TOS (not only with MiNT installed!) much like in
the csh under BSD. For example you could say:
less example.txt
them inside less press ~Z
back in the shell, you could say
emacs another.c
then inside emacs press ~Z
back in the shell, you can either
go back to emacs with "%%" or "%2"
or
go back to less with "%1"
then finish less
and back in the shell
restart the suspended emacs with "%2"
...
Programs doing screen-output can be stopped after a specified amount of lines
(usually a page) by appending a single |-symbol at the end of the command.
When a program is stopped in this way (looks like "command | more" under unix),
you can see the next page or line or suspend screen output until a specified
string (actually a regular expression) occurs in the output line. And you
can even say "!command" and start another shell-command (which can be any
program). Job-control will work in these cases too!
Which interfaces to other programs has MASTER ?
MASTER can be called with a command as parameter. It can also be called via
the system()-call (it hooks itself into the _shell_p vector) and this call
IS RELIABLE (there are NO PROBLEMS with memory ownership as mentioned for other
shells on the net). MASTER can for instance be used as the underlying shell for
VENUS, the GEM part of GEMINI (though venus.app has to be patched to expect
MASTER instead of MUPFEL). The values of shell-variables can be asked about
with a special system call. The shell itself can be expanded with so called
Master Module eXtensions (example modules are included in the distribution).
- Edgar
Before i forget it. These are the builtin commands:
alias ask beep bye car cat
cd cdr chmod chrono close cls
comp copy cp date del delete
diff dir dirs dump elapsed era
erase err eval exit export fgrep
files find format free get getline
goto grep help history inverse jobs
kbd key kill ll ln lock
ls md memdump mkdir module more
move mv normal on open pack
page pause popd printf pushd pwd
quit rd rem ren rename restore
rewind rm rmdir rs232 save set
set? setenv shift show shrink sleep
status time touch type unalias unlink
unlock unpack unset unsetenv version which
zcat l25 l50
The available control constructs are:
break continue else goto if loop
while
--
Edgar Greuter
Francoisstrasse 21
6600 Saarbruecken
Email: roeder@cs.uni-sb.de
edgar@pingu.saar.sub.org (will change to: .saar.de)
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Date: 30 Jan 92 10:44:50 GMT
From:
mcsun!unido!news.uni-bielefeld.de!techfak.uni-bielefeld.de!itschere@uunet.uu.ne
t (Torsten Scherer)
Subject: Mega/STe question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <...>, au036@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Burgess) writes:
|>
|> Is there any documentation available on how to switch between
|> 8Mhz and 16Mhz processor speeeds on a Mega/STe under program
|> control, not with the control panel?
|>
|> Chris Burgess
|>
Yes, it is. It's the adress $FF8E21 and the lowest two bits are used
to switch between 8 and 16 MHz and to enable the cache.
TeSche
--
torsten scherer, universitaet bielefeld, germany
e-mail to : itschere@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone would find out what the
universe exactly is and what it is for it will be instantly replaced by
something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
D.N.A.
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Date: 29 Jan 92 18:06:37 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs
.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!au036@arizona.edu
(Chris Burgess)
Subject: Mega/STe question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Is there any documentation available on how to switch between
8Mhz and 16Mhz processor speeeds on a Mega/STe under program
control, not with the control panel?
Chris Burgess
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Date: 29 Jan 92 19:22:35 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.ed
u!ira.uka.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!news@arizo
na.edu (Joerg Ballschmiter)
Subject: Multifinder for Atari-ST ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <29446@imag.imag.fr> maraninx@imag.fr writes:
>
>
> I need something like the equivalent of the Macintosh multifinder for Atari
ST.
> Does it exist ?
>
> Or perhaps someone can find another way of solving my problem :
> I would like to use a Lisp interpreter which does not allow to call an editor.
> And I don't want to quit the interpreter, then to load the editor, etc...
> for each modification of the source.
>
You should try MultiGem for the ST. If your programs are GEM-conform,
you will not have any problems with it.
In Germany it costs about 150DM, that are about 100$.
-Joe.
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Date: 28 Jan 92 23:46:30 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!stl!robobar!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Keith
Sommerville)
Subject: QuickST3 -> MEGA_STe... / CrackArt
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
"QuickST and the Mega/New TOS"
Still worth it belive it or not, although the improvements are not quite as dr-
amatic
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Date: 30 Jan 92 09:45:06 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!news.netmbx.de!unido!sbsvax!roeder@uunet.uu.net (Edgar
Greuter)
Subject: Shellp, Gulam, GFA Basic
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
arktik@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ryan Daum) writes:
>I want to create a shell to go in my soon-to-be-released "TreeTop" BBS package
>(hierarchical message base system) that would let you use standard gulam or
>mupfel commands while adding some of my own and creating a new environment.
>The problem is, I'm writing this in GFA Basic. (I know, I know, but you find
>me a language that is interpeted as well as compiled, has a wonderful editor
>like GFA, and lets you fix mistakes and problems on the fly... Besides, I'm a
>floppy user)
>Help me!
In the archive /pub/atari/shell/master.zoo on cs.uni-sb.de is sample code
to call _shell_p (here Master, but usable for other shells too) written in
GFA Basic. There are also versions for Omicron Basic and C.
Hope this helps you!
- Edgar
--
Mail: Edgar Greuter E-Mail: roeder@cs.uni-sb.de
Fran\c{c}oisstra\ss e 21
D-6600 Saarbr\"ucken -o- -o-
Germany ~
Phone: 0681/583934 `---'
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Date: 30 Jan 92 18:47:46 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.e
du!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!au036@arizona.edu (Chris Burgess)
Subject: SM124 Monitor Problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am having a problem with a SM124 (Goldstar) monitor. When the screen is
mostly black, the white portions of the screen are very dim, and as more
white is displayed the white return to normal brightness.
Has anybody seen this problem before? Is there somthing I need to tweak
on the monitor?
Chris Burgess
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Date: 30 Jan 92 15:15:52 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!sys-uea!sms@uunet.uu.net (S.M.Sowerby)
Subject: STOS 3D
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
brucel@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bruce Lamond) writes:
>Does anyone know if Mandarin have released, or are going to release,
>STOS 3D? I have been eagerly awaiting it since I got STOS a couple of
>years ago, and plans for it were mentioned then. I have recently seen
>AMOS 3D in the shops, so I thought it might be on the way.
>Thanks
One of the UK ST mags (either Atari ST User or ST Format) recently said
it would be out real soon, but I don't know how soon that is. The
article showed some screen shots which looked OK and quoted someone
as saying it will not be noticeably slower than any commerical 3D games.
I'll believe that when I see it but hope it's right.
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Steve Sowerby, Postgraduate layabout,
School of Information Systems, University of East Anglia, Norwich.
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Date: 29 Jan 92 13:09:58 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!pyrltd!mwuk!tony@uunet.uu.net (Tony Mountifield)
Subject: TOS 1.4 fixes?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have just ordered a 6-ROM upgrade to TOS 1.4 (Yo!). I believe there
are one or two niggly little bugs for which there are fixes to install
in the AUTO folder. Can anyone send me a list of these, including the
filenames to look for in such places as atari.archive or lancs.pdsoft?
Thanks in advance.
Tony.
--
Tony Mountifield | Microware Systems (UK) Ltd.
INET: tony@microware.co.uk | Colden Common, WINCHESTER, SO21 1TH.
UUCP: ...!mcsun!uknet!mwuk!tony | Tel: 0703 601990 Fax: 0703 601991
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** Any opinions are mine, not Microware's - but you knew that anyway. **
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Date: 30 Jan 92 11:43:17 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!infnews!vreeken@uunet.uu.net (Maarten Vreeken)
Subject: Uniterm manual
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
Does anybody know if there is a postscript version of the Uniterm manual
and if so how to obtain it.
Thanks,
Maarten Vreeken (email: vreeken@cs.utwente.nl)
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Date: 30 Jan 92 13:55:17 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!pcl!vatec@uunet.uu.net (Edd Deegan)
Subject: Useful information
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi fellow Atarians
Two reasons for posting this message.
1) Does ANYONE know what happened to that great ST NEWS?
It was a monthly disk-magazine, one of the best, and supported by some
pretty important people. Stefan Posthuma and Richard Karsmakers (he of AVK
virus killer fame) were the editors I believe. I stumbled across a couple
of very old issues and got hooked.
Any info would be appreciated.
2) ST information
I have got hold of a book that lists some legal system variables. SO for
the benefit of all, here are some useful snippets that many people might
find useful.
A comprehensive list of ST variables, valid on all ST's.
Address (.Length) Name
$408 .L Gem vector for ending a program
$42E .L Address of the end of RAM
$432 .L Address of the user memory (TPA)
$43E .W If non-zero, a disk access is in progress
$440 .W Seekrate. See table below
Value in $440 Seekrate time
0 6ms
1 12ms
2 2ms
3 3ms
$442 .W Time span between two timer calls.
$444 .W If non-zero, a verify is performed after every disk
access
$446 .W Contains device number of boot drive
$448 .W If non-zero, then screen refresh is 50hz
$44C .W Holds resolution: 0=low, 1=med, 2=high
(This can be set as well as read)
$44E .L Pointer to logical screen address
$452 .W If zero, VBL is disabled
$454 .W Number of vertical blank routines
$456 .L Pointer to VBL_queue
$45A .L If non-zero, assumed to be a pointer to a colour
palette which will be loaded at the next VBL
(Note: I'm English, hence 'colour'!)
$45E .L Address of video RAM which will be set during next
VBL
$462 .L Ongoing counter for number of VBL interrupts. This
is incremented every VBL
$466 .L Number of VBL routines executed
$46E .L When another monitor is connected, then this vector
is jumped to. Defuault is reset.
$482 .W If non-zero (set by an AUTO program) then the ST
will attempt to load a program called COMMAND.PRG
as an alternative to the desktop.
$484 .B Attribute for console output
BIT Meaning
0 Key click on/off
1 Key repeat on/off
2 Control-G bell on/off
3 SHIFT key checked on/off
$4A2 .L Pointer to saved registers after a BIOS call.
$4AC .W Storage for X coordinate of cursor after ESC-Y
$4BA .L COunter for 200hz system clock
$4C2 .L 32 bit vector for connected drives 0=A 1=B ....
Changing a bit will make the ST believe that the
relevant drive is on/off line.
$4CE 8 x .L 8 addresses forming the VBL queue. Some free so you
can install your own VBL routines.
$4EE .W Incremented by 1 when ALT-HELP pressed. This forces
a hardcopy.
$4F2 .L Pointer to start of operating system
The above system variables can be used to bypass certain TRAP calls, such
as XBIOS 5 (setscreen). They are legal variables, and shouldnt change.
Any questions: Mail me.
Edd Deegan vatec@uk.ac.pcl.sun
--
PS: Sozobon C rules OK. (An' I've only got v1.01!)
--
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Date: 30 Jan 92 13:56:02 GMT
From:
mcsun!unido!news.uni-bielefeld.de!techfak.uni-bielefeld.de!itschere@uunet.uu.ne
t (Torsten Scherer)
Subject: uuencode & uudecode
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
After I finally managed to connect to atari.archives.umich.edu and got
some nice programs sent, another problem occurs. All these files are of
cource uuencoded. They're also split in more smaller files. When I try to
uudecode them, I olny get the message "no end line". How do I have to
put these fragmented files together again? I'm sorry, but I don't
understand what's written in the Unxi manual.
Thanks in advance
TeSche
------------------------------------------------
torsten scherer, universitaet bielefeld, germany
e-mail to : itschere@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone would find out what the
universe exactly is and what it is for it will be instantly replaced by
something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
D.N.A.
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Date: 28 Jan 92 23:46:21 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!stl!robobar!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Keith
Sommerville)
Subject: What to do?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
"great little programs like the Mouse Speeder"
Its so great it doesnt work properly! On my TT, if you set the screen blank
option and the modem flag so that it doesnt blank during modem activity,
it still blanks out if you use anything other than modem 1. I use the other
serial ports cos they work properly!
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Date: 28 Jan 92 23:46:17 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!stl!robobar!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Keith
Sommerville)
Subject: Yet another ST for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The TT is alive, maybe not too well, but definately exists in Europe, this
is done on a TT. the new TOS is a definate improvement in terms of the Desktop-
which in some in
oops
which in some instances is better than NeoDesk.
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