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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 647
Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 9 Dec 91 Volume 91 : Issue 647
Today's Topics:
Atari books
Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there? (4 msgs)
DC? (3 msgs)
Dragon Spirit (2 msgs)
GDOS Fonts for HP DeskJet
Rufus 1.06 & sz
Sound Tracker players???
ST to C= 1084 monitor
test
using 4096 color palette on the STE (2 msgs)
Using Turbo C with the gcc (or mint) libraries
WANTED: Source for Atari CDAR CD-ROM or substitute
Why not Atari ASV
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Date: 8 Dec 91 15:56:22 GMT
From: van-bc!jonh.wimsey.bc.ca!jhenders@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (John Henders)
Subject: Atari books
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Dec08.155140.16158@actrix.gen.nz>, Roger Sheppard writes:
>In article <51340@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>> Following up on the question someone asked about what Atari books are
>> still available, it turns out I was wrong about Compute! Books dropping
>> their entire Atari line. They've only dropped most of them.
Bob, really, this is about all the books of any worth they produced.
The others were real beginner level books, which were quickly put out
of date by new magazine and new languages. After all, could you imagine
a market for a book on programming in ST Basic?
>
>Some one else posted here about the TOS book and a 'C' book, with a phone
>No. to bye them from, I have tried to order from 'Compute' before with out
>any luck at all..
>
>Does any one know if the 'C' book is any good...?
The 'C' book is
Learning C
Programming graphics on the Atari ST
and Amiga.
ISBN 0-87455-064-5
It deals mainly with 3-d graphic programming in C and has a
few good algorithms, but no Gem at all. Not a book for everybody,
and making programs that were portable between the ST and Amiga
invloved a bit of inelegant coding.
The initial shared library code is wrong in the book, so unless
you want to learn C the hard way, it's not a beginners book.
--
John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Vancouver,B.C
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Date: 8 Dec 91 17:11:47 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit
.edu!ira.uka.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!rusmv1!ttinfo@arizona.edu (Markus
Wenzel)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
B
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
In article <10015@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>>>Depends on whether Atari decides to act like a workstation company or
>
>these are just my views. I for one would love to buy a TT/ASV
>because I really need/want a good Motif based X Windows workstation.
>But I want color and I want support. Neither of which Atari can
>provide. I plan to wait until Spring when the next version of
>A/UX comes out. A/UX 2.01 doesn't run on the new Mac Quadra 700
>machines (see even Apple makes blunders!!). But A/UX version 3.0
>will fix that. And A/UX supports color as well as ll of the normal
>Mac peripherals. We shall see.
Richard, you seem to have much time for trying to keep people from buying
TT/ASV. This is not my problem. But I've just tried to imagine the
following scene: You, sitting in front of your new A/UX 3.0 workstation,
your head red of anger, your hands drumming on the keyboard, and your eyes
staring at the damned message window that says for the fifth time:
"A serious system error occured. Please reboot..."
\end{flame}
* /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart *
* /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /usr/voice/private/ +49 (0)7159 18201 *
* /bin/ps -l TT admin on rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /etc/motd >> We'll meet in /dev/null ...8-) << *
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Date: 8 Dec 91 19:29:43 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jppg9764@ar
izona.edu (John Paul Pietrzak)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <10015@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>
[some stuff trimmed off]
>Second, for the same dollars can you buy someone else's UNIX box.
Someone else's *cheap* Unix box. Atari tends to field machines below
their competitor's cost. :)
>Since you can't run TOS/GEM programs from within an X Windows
>window, owning previous GEM programs is no reason to buy a TT/ASV.
Hmm, as far as I know, owning a TT means being able to run a TT, and
since TTs can run GEM (when not running Unix), owning previous GEM
programs is a powerful reason to upgrade to a TT.
>As far as all of the other PD programs circulating on USENET,
>most require either Sun Open Look or Motif. And hence can be recompiled
>and run on almost any other X Window machine. You don't need the TT/ASV
>to run the GNU sw. In fact, a NextStation or a Sun SPARC workstation
>is more powerful then the TT/ASV and offers more compatible with the
>existing GNU sw?
The wonder of Unix: you don't need any particular brand of hardware
to run a particular brand of software, in general. Yes, NeXTs and
Suns will run the same software as Unix on other machines. Yes,
NeXTs and Suns have more powerful hardware than the TT. Yes,
NeXTs and Suns are more expensive than the TT. I would personally
love to have a NeXT, but can't afford one yet; however, I'm
reaching into the area where I can afford a TT. If the ASV price
comes down, I might just buy one.
John "I have Finals next week!!! Arrggghhhh!!! :-/" Pietrzak
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Date: 8 Dec 91 20:47:50 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!borres@arizo
na.edu (Steven D. Borrelli)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>
>>borres@rpi.edu (NeXTmail accepted)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lucky man ;-)
>
>
>* /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart *
>* /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
Tell me about being lucky. If the NeXTstations had come out a few
months later, I might have made the immensely bad decision of buying
a Mac IIsi ...(shudder)
But that was before I discovered the 'net.. A cheap Atari unix box
may draw away some mac users who are in the same boat as I was.
--
Steven D. Borrelli
Rensselear Polytechnic Institute '92
borres@rpi.edu (NeXTmail accepted)
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Date: 9 Dec 91 00:11:58 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.i
ns.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as327@arizona.edu (Roy Bixler)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In a previous article, covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) says:
>Also, other people have questioned my concerns over adding
>third party peripherals to the TT/ASV.
<stuff deleted>
>Well, if the kernal is like most AT&T
>kernals you have to rebuild the entire kernal to add new device
>drivers.
That's not true. At least with SunOS, they give you a configuration file
and enough of the source code so that you can add/delete device drivers
from the kernel. Once you've updated the configuration file and perhaps a
Makefile or source file or two, you end up recompiling just a small part of
the kernel source code to rebuild the kernel. I doubt that ASV will be
much different in these particulars. Any System V Release 4 gurus out
there?
>
>--
>Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org
>CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
>
--
Roy Bixler
Internet: as327@cleveland.freenet.edu -or- rcb@netcom.com
"Those who are willing to give up a little liberty for a little security
deserve neither liberty nor security" - Ben Franklin
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Date: 9 Dec 91 06:38:45 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.e
du!linac!att!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@arizona.edu (Harry Karayiannis)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <199764@unix.cis.pitt.edu> slsst11@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Sharon L
Skwara) writes:
>
> Is DC software still doing their programs a week, or is that over? If
>they're still doing it, here's an idea. How about an ACC that pops open
>a window (say 4 characters high) and shows all the available characters
>(from ASCII 0 to ASCII 255) - and if you click on the character, it will act
>as if you typed it. This way, one could use the ST and NEVER need to touch
>the keyboard - type with the mouse. What do you think?
>
I think this is a great idea... but for Mac Users not ST ones ;-) ;-)
(Richard?)
> slsst11@unix.cis.pitt.edu
>
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Date: 9 Dec 91 07:26:05 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!alberta!allan@arizona.edu
(Allan Sullivan)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
harryk@bucsf.bu.edu (Harry Karayiannis) writes:
>In article <199764@unix.cis.pitt.edu> slsst11@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Sharon L
Skwara) writes:
>>
>> How about an ACC that pops open
>>a window (say 4 characters high) and shows all the available characters
>>(from ASCII 0 to ASCII 255) - and if you click on the character, it will act
>>as if you typed it. This way, one could use the ST and NEVER need to touch
>>the keyboard - type with the mouse.
>>
> I think this is a great idea... but for Mac Users not ST ones ;-) ;-)
>(Richard?)
Doesn't 1st word (or 1st word plus) do that already?? They
have a list of characters (including Greek letters, math
symbols, etc.) that you can click on to type.
allan@cs.ualberta.ca
#include <std_disclaimer>
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Date: 9 Dec 91 11:20:01 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p
itt.edu!slsst11@arizona.edu (Sharon L Skwara)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
re: doesn't 1st word do that?
I dunno, but it would be nice to pop open a window in ANY program and do
ALL typing via mouse - who would need a keyboard except for rare cases?
It could be an ACC from the menu, or an AUTO program accessible by say
a "double-click" on the right button, or keyboard press. Sure would be nice
to do all this modeming without ever touching the keyboard.
slsst11@unix.cis.pitt.edu
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Date: 8 Dec 91 20:43:17 GMT
From: unccvax!cs00bd@mcnc.org (brian daniels)
Subject: Dragon Spirit
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Has the arcade game Dragon Spirit been ported to the
ST, and if so, what company/dealer can I order it from?
Thanks,
Brian
--
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Reality is what YOU make of it. Brian Daniels (cs00bd@unccvax.uncc.edu)
"My opinions are mine and do not represent those of my host computer"
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Date: 9 Dec 91 05:38:02 GMT
From: daffodil!news.cs.odu.edu!scott@ames.arpa (Scott D. Yelich)
Subject: Dragon Spirit
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> Has the arcade game Dragon Spirit been ported to the
> ST, and if so, what company/dealer can I order it from?
Argh. I missed WAACE this year because I took a road trip to udel!
Anyway, I am tired of replying to these privately..
You can get "Power Paks"
or a group of games put together. I paid $30 for Xybots and another
$30 for hard drivin (1) and then later that year I got Toobin' in a
power pack for $23 at WAACE... and there were 5 games int he pack:
xybots, hard drivin, toobin, dragon spirit and apb.
Now, for my usual pea... I need to get the newest stos comiler to
work. I have the original disks, but they last upgrade I tried (2.06)
the basic was upgraded fin, but the compiler ALWAYS crashed out with
unknown define or something. Has there been a new version of the stos
basic and compiler put out? I basically have stos, maestro and
compiler and it won't work.
Scott
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Date: 8 Dec 91 13:27:00 GMT
From: psinntp!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@uunet.uu.net (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: GDOS Fonts for HP DeskJet
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Dec8.004509.4144@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
(Christopher Browne) writes:
>Can one get GDOS fonts/drivers for the HP DeskJet? I got a bunch of
>GDOS stuff with LDW Power, including drivers for Atari SLM, some Atari
>dot matrix printer, and the standard Epson driver. Unfortunately, DJ
>stuff was not included (alas! :-)).
>
>Christopher Browne
>cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
>University of Ottawa
>Master of System Science Program
Hi Chris. I am using TurboJet by Neocept as my GDOS driver
for HPDeskjet500...it works very very nicely. The problem is
(as you may know) Neocept no longer exists, and this TurboJet
is now specifically made to work with WordUp. So it may or
may not work with other GDOS programs (I don't use any others,
so I cannot help you out here). I got it from Joppa for
around $30...some other mail order places didn't have it in
stock when I called around [a couple of months ago].
When I asked, I got responses from others on the net, so I
imagine you'll hear from them.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
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Date: 9 Dec 91 05:31:59 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq
.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!marshall@arizona.edu (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Subject: Rufus 1.06 & sz
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <95358@bu.edu> selick@bucsf.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:
>Just thought I'd say that I just got rufus 1.06 and think it's great!
>But it won't automatically start up zmodem receive. It used to in 1.4...
>Hmmmmmmmmm...
--
_-_|\ marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris)|ph:+61 7 365 2908
/ B <--+ Department of Computer Science :fx:+61 7 365 1999
\_.-._/ | University of Queensland, St.Lucia
v +--Brisbane, Queensland, 4072 AUSTRALIA (The Sub-Tropics)
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Date: 9 Dec 91 10:23:27 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!sersun1!essex.ac.uk!woocm@uunet.uu.net (Wood C M)
Subject: Sound Tracker players???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Atari Netters,
I have just had a good look at the sound directory
at atari.archive and i noticed that there are quite a
large amount of mod(?) files. It says that they are
Sound Tracker files, but nearly all the players are
described as Noisetracker files. Whats the difference?
And which is the best to use with the mod files?
C. W.
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Chris Wood, |Pretentious Quote: "Uzi Nine Millimetre" |
University Of Essex. | (Shakespeare) |
woocm@essex.ac.uk |Disclaimer: I never wear fluffy pink slippers.|
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Date: 9 Dec 91 07:22:52 GMT
From: ogicse!milton!sumax!jorgand%sumax.seattleu.edu@uunet.uu.net (Dave Jorgan)
Subject: ST to C= 1084 monitor
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Is it possible to hook up a Commodore 1084 analog RGB monitor
(the one used on the Amiga) to a 1040ST? Are there instructions on how to
build a cable, or does a cable exist to do this? How much $$$ for one, where
to get it, etc..... my SC1224 died and this would be a quick and hopefully
cheap (for me) way to get my system back in action as the 1084 is just
sitting around...... if possible email answers, will post if anyone is
interested, thanks in advance,
Dave
jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu
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Date: 9 Dec 91 09:06:51 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!darwin.ntu.ed
u.au!topfm@arizona.edu
Subject: test
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
test
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Date: 8 Dec 91 08:15:24 GMT
From: amdcad!netcomsv!micromed!sslee@sun.com (Steven Lee)
Subject: using 4096 color palette on the STE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Is there a program available (PD or commercial) that will
1. Display GIF pictures using the 4096 color palette on the STE
2. Display Spectrum pics using the 4096 color palette
3. Convert GIF pics to Spectrum format using 4096 color palette
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
sslee@micromed.net.netcom.com (Steven Lee)
Micro-Medic BBS (408) 280-1610
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Date: 8 Dec 91 22:03:58 GMT
From: nevada.edu!jimi2!equinox!cs.unr.edu!chan@uunet.uu.net (Kaho Chan)
Subject: using 4096 color palette on the STE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In response to Steven Lee's article #43203:
As far as I know, Spectrum 512 was designed to diplay 512 colors. Also, last
I heard, Trio Engineering split up. I had to sell Spectrum 512 because of the
timing/technical problems when I replaced my 1040 with a MegaSTe. Too bad...
I don't know the answer to your GIF question... it would be nice to display GIF
pics with 4096 colors.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
chan@mammoth.cs.unr.edu
Kaho Chan<=============
_______________________________________________________________________________
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Date: 9 Dec 91 08:22:34 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!alchemy!ruunfs!ruunfs!muts@uunet.uu.net (Peter Mutsaers)
Subject: Using Turbo C with the gcc (or mint) libraries
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
for compatability reasons I'd like to use the library as distributed
for gcc; however I would prefer to run Turbo C (2.0) because it
compiles 5x faster, uses much less memory, and I think it generates
better code. However, it is not as simple as that because the compiler
seems to define different external references (for multiplications
etc.) and needs different startup code.
Has anyone tried something like this before, or could anyone give
pointers to do this? Thanks in advance,
Peter Mutsaers
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Peter Mutsaers. RUU physics dept. Heidelberglaan 5, Utrecht, Nederland
muts@fysap.fys.ruu.nl |================================================
tel: (+31)-(0)30-533880 | Memento Mori
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Date: 6 Dec 91 04:41:09 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit
.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!news.funet.fi!funic!nic.funet.fi!jartsu@ari
zona.edu (Jartsu)
Subject: WANTED: Source for Atari CDAR CD-ROM or substitute
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am looking for a source for Atari CDAR CD-ROM, an European one if
possible. (220-240 VAC power...)
It would also be nice to know how much one costs.
OR, if this rarity is not available any more (I have never seen even
an price list entry...) is it possible to use a regular SCSI CD-ROM
connected to for example ICD host-adapter? Driver software available?
I know this can be done with Spectre (may require MegaTalk) but I am
now looking for a CD-ROM to be used under TOS.
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Date: 9 Dec 91 03:12:17 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!tamuts!n160ao@arizona.edu (Mark Lehmann)
Subject: Why not Atari ASV
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
This is a follow-up on Richard Coverts message, but with a different tone.
These are my opinions and I'll entertain flames on the net.
The Atari ST/STe and TT have just to many good things already to also
sqeeze in another blessing like Atari ASV.
I would hate to have a REAL UNIX kernal on the Atari because it wouldn't
provide a challenge. I am a student, and I really want to learn on this
machine. I couldn't have gotten a better computer to learn on.
Look what it's got going for it:
MINIX (and the source code is available)
MiNT (and the source code, and shareware)
OS/9 (real multi-tasking)
C-Shell (UNIX like environment)
Gemini (TOS and UNIX-like combination)
Sozobon C (good C for the shareware price)
GnuC and G++ (standard excellent C and C++ language)
Plus much more.
Trying to be like UNIX is much more fun than actually being UNIX in my
opinion. The ST is a home computer and affordable and educational. I
know UNIX very well because I have tried so hard to make my ST UNIX-like.
I CAN even bring UNIX work home and do SOME UNIX processing at home. I
can use the ST as a GREAT terminal in the instances when I really want to
use UNIX.
So why should I pay $5000 to lose the challenge and fun in trying to be
like UNIX.
Adding Atari ASV to the ST line is like putting sugar on a chocolate fudge
sundae.
By the way, if you like Atari, have the money, and don't want as much of
a chellenge, go ahead and get Atari ASV, but be prepared to be regarded
enviously by those who just can't afford Atari ASV.
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