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Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 1 Dec 91 Volume 91 : Issue 629
Today's Topics:
4 SALE!
Atari 1040ST for SALE
Atari Archive Important News Flash
Atari ST DEAD ?
Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
C-compilers
DESKTOP.INF - How do I install two o
Does the AdSpeed STe *REALLY* double the speed?
Lexicor ads
Quick-ST 2 or 3 wanted
rufus
SHADOW question
ST software 4 Sale!
TT prices
Wanted: ST Mono System
Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product
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Date: 1 Dec 91 06:55:58 GMT
From: apple!equinox!cs.unr.edu!chan@ames.arpa (Kaho Chan)
Subject: 4 SALE!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
FOR SALE:
Okidata Okimate 20 Color Printer
-24 pin, italics, underline, super, sub, condensed, color
CyberPrint
-program that works exclusively with Okimate 20
-print SPECTRUM 512 pictures (all the colors)
-EXCELLENT printouts!
-3 different print sizes
TOTAL > $300. Will let go for $125 + COD S&H UPS O.B.O. (!!!!!!!)
:( Won't run (Spectrum) with TOS 2.5 :(
Thanks in advance...
email: chan@mammoth.cs.unr.edu
Kaho Chan<=============
or call: (702) 358-7633 pst 12p-9p.
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Date: 27 Nov 91 23:34:41 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hp-vcd!tomw@arizona.edu (Tom Williams)
Subject: Atari 1040ST for SALE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have an Atari ST system for sale. Specs follow:
1. Atari 1040ST (1Meg RAM, color monitor, 760k internal floppy)
2. Atari SH204 20Mb hard disk
never modified in any way, never had a single hardware
problem, runs perfectly
3. Joystick, mouse
4. Software: -- Gobs!
First Word simple word processing
(name escapes me) Lotus 123-like spreadsheet
Neochrome paint program
DB One poor man's database
Pagestream desktop publishing
Dr. T's MIDI sequencing
Musical scoring works with Dr. T's
Music Studio yet another MIDI music program
Mark Williams C C program development
Falcon F16 simulator
Flight Simulator flight sim + 2 scenery disks
Dive Bomber "sink the Bismark" simulation
Megablast fantastic arcade shoot-em-up
Silent Service submarine simulator
Star Raiders space action/adventure
Much more that I can't remember right now. Lot's of public domain
stuff.
I also have a Casio CZ101 (small keys) synthesizer that I would
probably part with if you are interested.
Price?
How about: $500 for everything but synthesizer
$100 for synthesizer
$50 shipping costs (lots of books,etc)
If you are interested, write to me at tomw@vcd.hp.com or call me
at (206)-944-2306.
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Date: 1 Dec 91 04:37:53 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Atari Archive Important News Flash
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
And now a word from our man in the gnu, the umap uk/euro connection, the one,
the only, Graham Higgins:
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 91 17:57:33 GMT
From: Graham Higgins <gjh@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Hmm. My usenet posting ability has just died. I'd be grateful if you could warn
usenetters that the structure of gnustuff/tos has changed.
Each leaf directory of the subdir tree has an aa.gnu.<dir> file containing the
version or patchlevel of the GNU s/w in that leaf directory, the output from
"ls -l *.zoo" and where appropriate, the text of the relevant README file. In
addition, there is a Contents file, containing the output from "zoo -v *.zoo"
e.g. gemlib has:
aa.gnu.gemlib, Contents, gemolb.zoo and gemlib.zoo
In the gnustuff/tos directory there are significantly new ls-R and ls-Rl files
which interested usenetters should obtain. The gnustuff/tos structure is likely
to remain stable for the immediate future.
Have a look, see what I did.
--
Graham Higgins
<< My opinions above are exactly that: my own, and opinions. >>
--
Jeff Weiner --- weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu --- Umich atari posse
Corner of Packard and State, 2nd house from Blue Front on Arbor
718 Arbor, Ann Arbor, MI 48104, +1 313 998 0892, near the Univ. of Michigan
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Date: 30 Nov 91 23:45:57 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!rusmv1!ttinfo@uunet.uu.net (Markus Wenzel)
Subject: Atari ST DEAD ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Some bloody fuckin' bastard put this junk into the net:
>> I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
> favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
> that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>
> [...] rest of madness omitted!
> Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all
> jokes.
Could anybody hang him up or cut off his _very_ thinwire cable?
I'm not considering ATARI as the best computer, but once I had a VC 20 and
a C 64, and for the reason I threw the damned floppy drive out of the window,
I would not buy a COMMODORE computer any more!
My opinion was, the British like to have a strange kind of humor.
But they had better times, didn't they?
* /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart *
* /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /usr/voice/private/ +49 (0)7159 18201 *
* /bin/ps -l TT admin on rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /etc/motd >> We'll meet in /dev/null ...8-) << *
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Date: 1 Dec 91 00:05:03 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!rusmv1!ttinfo@uunet.uu.net (Markus Wenzel)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov29.213840.2746@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>In article <1991Nov26.141528.12615@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> ttinfo@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes:
>>In article <9939@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>>would not find the TT underpowered. I would never give my TT away for
>>a 386 or 486 clone or a low cost Mac. Macs with the same performance are
>>three times as expensive.
>
>Oh come on...We all know that I'm not a big fan of Atari, but this statement
>is simply ridiculous. For the price of an Atari system with a decent
>unix configuration, you could EASILY buy an Apple Quadra, a Sun Sparcstation
>ELC, NeXTstation (68040 box) or a low end Apollo/HP box.
I think we should cancel the discussions about prices, because they really
depend on where you have to buy your stuff. Prices in USA seem to be entirely
different from Europe, particularly Germany. I got the current prices from
Atari Germany a few days ago, and I must agree, that a NeXTStation or a
Sparc are propably the better solution. But Atari made an offer at the
exposition in Duesseldorf that was simply great: a complete ASV workstation
with TT/8, 210 MB HD and 19" screen for less than 8.000 DM.
>Whether of not the TT is a decent home computer is one thing, but to try
>to pawn it off as some sort of unix "workstation" is really funny when
>you consider what other products are available for the same price range.
>
>Do you honestly think any serious unix user will take an Atari product
>seriously?
YES, I DO THINK SO. Thinking of A/UX and other buggy Unix implementations,
I must say that I have only heard GOOD NEWS about ASV yet. I haven't got
the money to purchase it right now, so I couldn't test it myself, but I'm
sure one day I will do. And I am still proud of NOT owning a BIM compatible.
I would buy a NeXT if I could, surely, but...
my TT was all I could afford :-)
* /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart *
* /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /usr/voice/private/ +49 (0)7159 18201 *
* /bin/ps -l TT admin on rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /etc/motd >> We'll meet in /dev/null ...8-) << *
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Date: 28 Nov 91 12:14:12 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!rpi!sarah!cs.albany.edu!psinntp!psinntp!tfd!afp!gna!linn!Marco.Fris@arizona.edu (Marco Fris)
Subject: C-compilers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In a message of <20 Nov 91 16:11:36>, fvlarsen@solan.unit.no
(2:320/100.1) writes:
> I am planning to buy myself a C-compiler for
> the Atari ST. I have been browsing through some
> to Lattice C 5.06.02 by HiSoft. Having great
> confidence in Hisoft (thanx to DevPacST), this
> compiler caught my interest.
>
In the early days Lattice had a bad reputation for speed of compilation &
program execution, among others. This has been improved undoubtedly, but I
don't know how much. Best by far is Pure-C (used to be Turbo-C ST) but you'll
have to be able to understand (and stand) german. I worked with Laser C before
that, and liked it a lot. Debugger was verry nice. Can't mention one single
aspect where Turbo C doesn't run rings around Laser, though.
- Marco -
--- And now ... number one ... The Larch.
Marco.Fris@p11.f202.n281.z2.fidonet.org
or Marco.Fris@p11.f202.n281.z2.linn.gna.tfd.com
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Date: 30 Nov 91 23:25:48 GMT
cs.utexas.edu!wupost!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!umn.edu!msi.umn.edu!math.fu-berlin.de!unido!mcshh!malihh!pfunk.hanse.de!blackbox@arizona.edu (Michael KistenmacherNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNFF - How do I install two o
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <y0g8BB2w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, Michel Forget writes:
>Hello,
>
>How do I edit the DESKTOP.INF file so that it recognizes two (or three)
>filename extensions for a particular application? For example, I would
Simple and easy. For example I will show you some lines from my DESKTOP.INF:
...
#P 03 04 C:\GUCK.TTP@ *.*@
#D FF 01 @ *.*@
#G 03 FF *.APP@ @
#G 03 FF *.PRG@ @
#P 03 FF *.TTP@ @
#F 03 04 *.TOS@ @
#G 03 04 D:\ARC\EXE_2_60.PRG@ *.LZH@
#G 03 04 D:\ARC\EXE_2_60.PRG@ *.LZS@
#G 03 04 D:\ARC\EXE_2_60.PRG@ *.ARC@
#G 03 04 D:\ARC\EXE_2_60.PRG@ *.ZOO@
#G 03 04 D:\ARC\EXE_2_60.PRG@ *.SFX@
#G 03 04 D:\ARC\STZIP.PRG@ *.ZIP@
#P 03 04 C:\BIN\EH_MGIF.TTP@ *.GIF@
...
As you see, I have simply copied the lines containing the '#G'
command and replaced the extensions at the end of the lines.
But be beware of your text-editor. It must not cut off bytes
arbitrary, because there is a trailing <SPACE> at the end of
each line, which is very important to TOS (As your editor might
think it's not :-)).
Also I recognized a <CTRL-Z> (26hex) at the end of the DESKTOP.INF
file. As I removed it, I could not see any difference when working
on my ST, but perhaps it might be better to leave it there.
Bye......Michael
--
/------------------------------------\
| Michael Kistenmacher / blackbox |
| 2000 Hamburg 61 / Schippelsweg 64 |
| West Germany / ++ 49 40 552 37 66 |
\------------------------------------/
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Date: 30 Nov 91 23:09:17 GMT
From: tulane!ukma!aunro!ersys!mforget@ames.arpa (Michel Forget)
Subject: Does the AdSpeed STe *REALLY* double the speed?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
As I've said several times, I plan to upgrade to an STe with 4 Megs of
RAM soon, and I would also like to have a 16 MHZ machine. The question
is, will the AdSpeed STe really double the speed of the machine or will
it only double the speed of the processor? Older accellerator boards for
the ST claimed to give 16 MHZ performance, but only actually improved the
speed by 25-30%. What kind of performance can I expect from an AdSpeed
STe?
<< ------------------------------------------ >>
<< mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >>
<< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
<< Michel Forget >>
<< "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, >>
<< for they are not happy campers!" - UNKNOWN >>
<< ------------------------------------------ >>
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Date: 29 Nov 91 18:58:43 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!csus.edu!beach.csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!csun.edu!kithrup!hoptoad!wet!wet.UUCP@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: Lexicor ads
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Here's a little information I found on GEnie concerning the images Lexicor
uses for their ads. I remember someone here posting that they thought
Lexicor was participating in some kind of advertising fraud.
Atari-ST RoundTable
Category 25, Topic 5
Message 82 Wed Nov 27, 1991
M.POCHE [Mick] at 01:19 EST
Lee,
I recently bought a copy of Atari Explorer and saw your advertisement on
the inside back cover. Very nice. The pictures in the ad, one of a drop of
water falling into a pool (which I believe is on the Phase-4 packaging,
right?), and one of a tomato plopping into water are really impressive! The
fine print at the bottom of the page states "Actual screens shown, Atari TT
medium resolution, Atari/Lexicor 24 bit color card." Which picture is the TT
shot, and which is from the 24-bit card? Also, were these pictures created
start-to-finish with the Phase-4 line of software, or imported from another
platform?
Whichever, the ad is very nice and very professional looking. Maybe,
hopefully, if I'm lucky, Santa Claus will be good to me this year and get some
of your software for me! I'm getting tired of ashes and switches ;^)
- Mick
----------
Atari-ST RoundTable
Category 25, Topic 5
Message 83 Wed Nov 27, 1991
L.SEILER [LEXICOR] at 04:15 EST
Mick,
I have been waiting for three months for someone to ask your question!
The picture of the Tomato was done on the TT using PRISM Paint with just the
mag bits and color picker. It is based on one of my favorite
subjects..."Japanese photo real action" art. it is quite popular in some
circles. I started with several tissue sketches based on an ad I saw in a
magazine. I made several greyline drawings in Prism paint then used these to
make the color blends which would eventually be the finished drawing. with
this work done I could then build a 256 palette for the final drawing. The
next step was time consuming but required. I built a 3D model of the tomato
and splash which I then rotated and shifted in Chronos untill it was
positioned as you now see the final drawing. Now I saved a one frame .FLM in
chronos and loaded it into Prismpaint. Now I had a "perfect" sketch to work
with. I then loaded in my palette and began (in mag mode) painting in the
various colors. I generally do an hour or so of work, then stop for a while
only to return to it later. this way when I come back to the work I can stand
back from the monitor and see the general impact of the work as it progresses.
The final work is to take screen shots with a 35mm camera. to make the final
image as smooth and realistic I generally "break" the focus to soften the
image a bit.
Thats the tomato project.
The Drop is a simple truecolor rendering of a cad object in front of a
painting of clouds. the water is just a reflective plade with some ripples
modeled into it. It was done with our first prototype. Thats it.
I wish we had a scanner that worked with the TT or our card! I would love to
be able to use "24Bit images as background" images for animations.
This will all come as soon as we get the VDI from ATARI.
Lee
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Date: 28 Nov 91 11:34:28 GMT
Subject: Quick-ST 2 or 3 wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In a message of <20 Nov 91 14:02:46>, cordes@ac.dal.ca (2:320/100.1) writes:
> I think QuickST 1.6 was the last shareware version, everything later
> being commercial.
There were useable demo versions of later revisions, but everyone I've seen
didn't perform as good as 1.6.
- Marco -
--- And now ... number one ... The Larch.
or Marco.Fris@p11.f202.n281.z2.linn.gna.tfd.com
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Date: 1 Dec 91 07:48:07 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!homer.cs.mcgill.ca!davidd@arizona.edu
Subject: rufus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I can't get the version of rufus recently posted to un-zoo
properly. I am using (what I think to be) the most recent version
of zoo (2.1), and it only extracts the first file before it stops.
Help, anyone? Or is it just a bad copy that was posted?
David D'Andrea
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Date: 1 Dec 91 05:58:00 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!revpk@arizona.edu (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Subject: SHADOW question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In Flash, I can configure my ASCII uploads to strip the linefeeds,
thereby avoiding the linefeeds inserted by my local node's editor.
However, using Shadow, I can't seem to turn the linefeed bit off.
This is, obviously, a problem.
Any suggestions?
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Date: 1 Dec 91 06:50:21 GMT
From: agate!apple!equinox!cs.unr.edu!chan@ames.arpa (Kaho Chan)
Subject: ST software 4 Sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
My MegaSTe won't run these...
FOR SALE:
Art & Film Director
(retail $90)
Captain Blood (too bad...)
(retail $50)
Time Bandit (ugh...)
(retail $40)
Major Motion
(retail $40)
MicroLeague Wrestling
(retail $35)
Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards
(retail $30)
Spectrum 512 (uuugggghhhhh....)
(retail $70)
UniSpec (UUUGGGHHH... Spectrum + animation in a desk accessory)
(retail $75)
Speedball II (it's okay... liked Speedball I)
(retail $40)
Considering that half of these are old...
I would like to sell all of them together + buyer pay S&H, COD UPS.
Total > $450. I will sell it all for $150 O.B.O. (flexible on any combo too!)
email: chan@mammoth.cs.unr.edu
Kaho Chan<=============
or call: (702) 358-7633 PST 12p-9p.
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Date: 1 Dec 91 08:59:25 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!ns!ns!logajan@arizona.edu (John Logajan)
Subject: TT prices
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
There is some discussion of TT prices, so I thought I'd mention what
Toad Computers lists their TT's for:
TT030 2MB No HD $1499
Color Monitor $479
Mono Mon $999
2/8MB ST Ram $299/$799
4/16MB TT Ram $549/$1399
50/105MB HD $279/$389
--
- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
- logajan@ns.network.com, 612-424-4888, Fax 612-424-2853
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Date: 1 Dec 91 06:00:31 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ba014@arizona.edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff)
Subject: Wanted: ST Mono System
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm looking for a 1040STf Monochrome system to do some experimenting
on... I'd prefer 2+ megs of RAM, but even the base 1 meg system will
do. I do *not* want non-working STs, or decked-out systems. This
system is for experimentation, so I'd like to keep it inexpensive.
Thanks!
--
o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o
| Orwell was an optimist! | ba014@cleveland.freenet.edu | E Pluribus Unix |
o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o
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Date: 1 Dec 91 05:06:09 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!sander@arizona.edu (Scott D Anderson)
Subject: Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <thurlow.691516935@convex.convex.com>, thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:
> In <9962@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>
>
> >I contend that Atari's ASV (Atari Sys V UNIX) is a product
> >with no future.
>
> >1) The Tt030's native (Atari original equipment) color resolution
> > is too coarse to support X Windows. Proof of this fact is that
> > Atari requires the user of their monochrome monitor, and does
> > not support ASV under color. A monochrome only X windows
> > workstation is not a viable commerical product.
>
> That'll sure be big news to NCD, which sells monochrome xterms by the
> boatload, and to my company, which has bought a fair few. Why exactly
> do you think color is necessary? Do you just like it because it's
> prettier?
a note from the user-interface point of view: to design a good color
interface, you should design an interface that looks good on a monochrome,
and then add the color, not the other way around. having x-windows at all
makes it a viable commercial product, color or not.
>
> >3) The TT030 is overpriced. A Base TT0304/40 is about 2 grand. Add
> > 1 grand for the monochrome monitor, another grand for more memory (
> > can't even use cheap memory 'cause you gotta buy an expensive memory
> > board from Atari to add more memory), and another 2 grand for the
> > ASV and you are up to 6 grand. And that is for an Atari computer
> > whose resale value is pratically NIL. Ever try to sell a used
> > Mega ST recently? A glut of those babies on the market now.
>
> Your comments on resale value are well taken, but have you seen what
> used '386 machine go for these days? And yet people buy them if they
> are the right tool. I'm also amused by your belief that you'd have
> to spend $1K for a monochrome monitor and $1K for memory. Just how
> fancy were you planning to get in this expenditure? I agree that the
> TT030 is a pricey, fringe-market box, but you don't need to go so far
> overboard to make this point.
my company bought our TT for $1500. basic 2Meg RAM, 50MB drive, etc.
the monochrome version was the same price. we also have recently bought
an IBM ps/2 which is a 286 machine (i believe, don't quote me) for $1400.
i would take the TT with unix over the ps/2 with unix any day.
>
> >4) No Big Name Vendors will support the TT/ASV. Proof of this is the
> > fact that Atari can't provide a commerically supported C/C++
> > compiler for the ASV. Instead Atari is merely packaging the public
> > domain FSF GNU compilers. While these are fine tools, they should
> > be classed as "experimental" and aren't commerically supported.
> > Do you really think that you can call someone at Atari to get help
> > when you find a project killing bug in the GNU compilers? I think not.
>
> You must never have used GNU CC, as your comments are misleading.
> GNU CC has a very good reputation for compiling correct and _fast_
> code. As for bugs, you're usually doomed if you find a new one,
> as it usually isn't a quick job to fix the compiler and FedEx a
> new copy. I expect quicker turnaround on a Unix kernel bug than
> a compiler bug.
gcc is probably the standard c compiler around here. not commercially
supported, yes, but that is the *point* of the gnu project. very good
software produced as freeware, to avoid the problems associated with
commercial software based on profit margins...
[point 6 and reply deleted]
>
> >so, if you care to argue the viability of the Atari ASV package
> >please respond to my six points above. But remember the market place
> >is the final judge and if ASV doesn't sell it won't last!! No one
> >is going to buy ASV just to play games (and we all know that the
> >TT030 is just a fancy games machine !!).
>
> This is probably the most unrealistic statement in your entire
> article. The TT030 is either a serious machine or a failure at
> being a serious machine because of the expense. Anyone buying
> it for games should stop by and let me examine their wallet
> closely for a few minutes :-) As a market analyst, you should
> make sure you hang onto your day job for a few more years.
my original understanding of the TT series was that of a high-end
*music* machine. built in MIDI, very fast processor, high amounts
of disk space for storing samples, etc. In fact, that is what it
was pitched as to my company (a radio station) and this is the purpose
for which we bought our machine, a purpose which it has served admirably
well.
>
> Rob T
> --
> Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
> Recent poll results show that more Canadians believe that Elvis Presley
> is alive than would vote for the current Prime Minister, Brian Mulroney.
scott anderson
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