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Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 20 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 492
Today's Topics:
CLAB Flames! (Re: Creator/Notator 3.1 Update) (2 msgs)
dump files
GEMDOS and AES questions
Heat & Serve MiNT?
Looking for 1stWord+ to Mac (WORD,RTF,MACWRITE) converter
Mega Keyboard on old ST (Was- Re: Question about SST board from GBS
More Lies From Atari?
Multi personal computer platform disk standards
Music - Atari
Question about SST board from GBS (2 msgs)
Rufus with Matrix M110 possible?
Test
Test; please reply
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Date: 19 Sep 91 03:17:44 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.c
is.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas
Darling)
Subject: CLAB Flames! (Re: Creator/Notator 3.1 Update)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
bmaraldo@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:
> I have been using Creator since v2.1. I purchasd the 3.0 update
> at a cost of $80CDN. The new manual is nice. Great... it would have been
> nice to have had it when I was first starting out.
Tell me about it. I wasn't too thrilled with the old manual either. Took me
forever to learn some of the advanced stuff. At least they're getting better.
> The new version is fine except that I bought it for one particular feature
> - song chain. This new feature apparently doesn;t work. CLAB said 'Oh
> well'. Great. Assholes.
Uh, Brett...it works on my machine. You might have incompatible hardware or
some odd TSR kicking around. Some things have been known to interfere with
Creator's timing.
> Then v3.1 comes out for $40CDN. Instead of trusting them, I borrowed the
> store copy and sure enough the SOFTLINK feature doesn;t work - it won;t
> continue to play the sequencer when you switch partitions - useless.
This I haven't tried. But, seriously, you bought Creator updates to get
Softlink and Song Chain? I always thought of these things as extra stuff.
I'm in it for the great editing and ease of use. Whatever it takes, I guess.
> So, for $120CDN you get a new manual, but you already know how to use the
> sequenc because you spent weeks with the poor translated original manual,
> and you get some new bugs. Damn them.
Brett, if you think you know all of 3.1's editing features from the 2.2
manual, I'm not surprised you feel cheated. You're missing all the best
stuff!
I've had problems with C-Lab's support people myself. But, Jeez, $120 for a
manual? You should at least check out the P_USER part, where it tells you how
to load a song into the buffer automatically and program a run-time switch.
This is how you chain songs, and it works like a charm.
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
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Date: 19 Sep 91 19:45:00 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!bmaraldo@a
rizona.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: CLAB Flames! (Re: Creator/Notator 3.1 Update)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <0B5H91w164w@cellar.UUCP> darling@cellar.UUCP (Thomas Darling)
writes:
>> The new version is fine except that I bought it for one particular feature
>> - song chain. This new feature apparently doesn;t work. CLAB said 'Oh
>> well'. Great. Assholes.
>Uh, Brett...it works on my machine. You might have incompatible hardware or
>some odd TSR kicking around. Some things have been known to interfere with
>Creator's timing.
CLAB-USA said they couldn't get it to work either. They FAXed Germany,
CLAB-Centraal, and it was reported that PUSER_20 was buggy. Are you sure you
are using v3.0; they fixed it in v3.1.
>> store copy and sure enough the SOFTLINK feature doesn;t work - it won;t
>> continue to play the sequencer when you switch partitions - useless.
>This I haven't tried. But, seriously, you bought Creator updates to get
>Softlink and Song Chain? I always thought of these things as extra stuff.
>I'm in it for the great editing and ease of use. Whatever it takes, I guess.
Uh, i am hardly ignorant of Creators features. I have put it about
1600 hours on Creator. I was perfectly satisfied with the v2.2 but I had
an impending gig and the song-link feature would have been very nice. So,
at the last minute I splurged the $80 and got a bum upgrade (nice *belated*
manual though). I use Cretor because it is the smoothest sequencer on the
planet. I hardly use any of its detailed features.
>Brett, if you think you know all of 3.1's editing features from the 2.2
>manual, I'm not surprised you feel cheated. You're missing all the best
>stuff!
I know all of 3.1 editing features from the 3.1 manual. The 2.2
manual was discarded long ago. I feel cheated because I expect software
perfection for the $400 + $120 I spent on the package. If I have to pay
money for an update I better well get new *working* features and have old
bugs fixed; not with Creator.
>I've had problems with C-Lab's support people myself. But, Jeez, $120 for a
>manual? You should at least check out the P_USER part, where it tells you how
>to load a song into the buffer automatically and program a run-time switch.
>This is how you chain songs, and it works like a charm.
Apparently not in v3.0. v3.1 works... mostly.
Brett Maraldo
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Date: 19 Sep 91 07:47:58 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!news.fu
net.fi!tampella!fuug!funic!nic.funet.fi!lahtinen@arizona.edu (Kimmo Lahtinen)
Subject: dump files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am looking for a programs that lets you see (in hex and ascii) a file
and perhaps also edit it. There should be some programs like this, so
I think it is not worth doing it myself. I have been using DLII, but
it quite complicted to go to the file editor.
Also I would like to suggest one program. I would like to direct
printer output from a program to a file. There is program called
BARREL, but it has limits (128 KB buffer), so it can not be used
wih graphics programs.
--
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Phone : +358 0 758 1322
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Date: 9 Sep 91 06:36:16 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ox.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbi
a.edu!ira.uka.de!sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de!seimet@arizona.edu (Uwe Seimet [Chemie])
Subject: GEMDOS and AES questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Martin_Gaeckler@m.maus.de (Martin Gaeckler) writes:
>Hi Annius,
>Here are some answers:
stuff deleted
>> Does the ATARI AES send ANY WM_NEWTOP messages? I never seem to
>2. The WM_NEWTOP message is sent to your program when *YOUR* window is new
> toped. You won't get a message when another window is opened or topped.
> Therefore you have to wait for a time event an look whether *YOUR* window
> is top or not.
Do you really speak of WM_NEWTOP? I have never received a WM_NEWTOP. At least
on the ST/TT you only get the WM_TOPPED message. On the ST WM_NEWTOP is not
supported.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
********************************************************
* Uwe Seimet *
* seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de *
*------------------------------------------------------*
* I hate this machine, I wish that they would sell it. *
* It doesn't do what I want but only what I tell it. *
* (Programmer's lament) *
********************************************************
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Date: 19 Sep 91 18:05:25 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p
itt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!silver.egr.msu.edu!schultzd@arizona.edu
(The Samurai)
Subject: Heat & Serve MiNT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm thinking of getting an STe soon (ie. as soon as a poor college
student can scrape up $300). Does MINT definitely work on a STe?
--
Dave Schultz - "If it's on-line, you're a fool to think it's private."
120 Engineering Bldg. | schultzd@frith.egr.msu.edu |
Michigan State Univ. | schultzd@clvax1.cl.msu.edu | "The Samurai"
E. Lansing, MI 48823 | Work - (517)353-8891 |
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Date: 19 Sep 91 19:11:17 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yal
e.edu!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!opal!ripley@arizona.edu (Hans-Ch.
Eckert)
Subject: Looking for 1stWord+ to Mac (WORD,RTF,MACWRITE) converter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
If someone's writing on that, please don't forget the reverse
direction. BTW: Where can one get a definition of RTF ?
Greetings,
RIPLEY
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Date: 18 Sep 91 23:58:07 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@a
rizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: Mega Keyboard on old ST (Was- Re: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <6172.28d75cd9@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
(Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:
>Ok, now for something totally off the subject.
>
>I remember reading about using a mega keyboard with an orginal ST. Since
>I'm in the process of moving my ST to a PC case, this would help me
>instead of adding a cable to my original keyboard and using it bare.
>Does anyone have any information they would kindly impart on doing this.
>
>And what is the going price for a keyboard?
Dunno about a Mega keyboard, but you could also get a DEKA extender kit,
which lets you hook up any PC keyboard to your ST. Don't remember how much
those cost. Also sold by Omni Peripherals Inc. Saw a couple of them at the
show, pretty nice. They have also done something to the mouse driver which
makes it handle higher speed motions. (Try this with your mouse sometime -
just move it back and forth as fast as you can. Or if you have a trackball,
give it a good whirl. Instead of tracking from side to side as it should,
the cursor will probably shake back and forth in about a 2-3 inch span. The
DEKA part also fixes this, so you *can* really move the cursor quickly, and
precisely. Of course, while I was impressed with this demonstration, I wasn't
sufficiently motivated to buy it for myself...)
--
-- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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Date: 19 Sep 91 01:42:51 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!baffoni@arizona.edu
(Juxtaposer)
Subject: More Lies From Atari?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep17.214850.21544@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov
(Howard Chu) writes:
>In article <9411@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
<stuff deleted>
>> <[FAST TECH] J.ALLEN27> John Nagy....be sure and notice the T25 at the
>> San Diego user group booth, and the TURBO030 at the Computer Network/
>> ISD booth.
>>
>> <R.KOVACS> John has noticed it and it is running!
>
>Dang, I didn't see that. Oh well.
I saw both of them while I was there, although all I got to see of the
T25 (which is FAST's 25MHz 68k running in a Mega2 box) was it doing a cheesy
bounce demo (which was admittedly fast). I believe he said that it had a 68881
in it too.
As far as the TURBO030 and the SST, I saw the reps from GSB and the
rep responsible for bringing the TURBO030 to the fair run a speed comparison.
i.e. they made each do a complicated redraw on CAD-3d I believe. Running at
the same speeds (32MHz), the SST redrew in 45 secs what took the TURBO 54 secs.
which (off the top of my head) is around 20% faster. Supposedly, the SST auto
senses the speed of the DRAMS installed and so it adjusts its wait states
accordingly. However, I don't know if either one used/had a co-processor.
Does CAD-3d use the 68881/68882?
<stuff deleted>
>> <G.RICHARDSO1> Did Gadget's anounce a ship date for SST?
>
>Soon. 2-3 weeks, probably. If you wanna order, order fast because they got
>swamped with orders from the German folks already...
No kidding. They were selling them there. If only I had the MegaXST
and the $750+ to buy it ... <sigh>
<stuff deleted>
>>
>>
>> Z*BREAK #91-39
>> Copyright 1991, Rovac Industries, Inc.
>> Transcript Copyright 1991, Atari Corporation, GEnie ST RT
>> =======================================================================
>--
> -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
-Mike
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Date: 19 Sep 91 03:08:39 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!opal!ripl
ey@arizona.edu (Hans-Ch. Eckert)
Subject: Multi personal computer platform disk standards
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep18.173029.22912@ctr.columbia.edu>
jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
I don't know about Mac, but PC and Sun 1.44 floppy hardware is the same, or
very similar.
Well, Sun floppies can eject disks like the Mac does :-)
The DOS (and OS/2) ports of GNU "tar" can read Sun (and other UNIX)
floppies just fine.
That's the point behind tar -- having an all-compatible format.
File systems, of course, are incompatible.
For sure. You can't handle multi-user on a DOS-floppy. The sad thing is,
that disk-filesystems aren't interchangeable between different UNIXes...
Most UNIX systems use floppies as if they were small tapes -- no
file system at all (just "tar" directly to the sectors), while DOS
systems typically fill floppies with files.
On all UNIX systems I have seen you can mkfs on a floppy and mount it.
Only that you need to be root to do the mount. But then -- there's the
auto-mounter on the NeXT which mounts every disk and prentends the files
being yours, if it's a DOS-floppy. And you don't need to mount a DOS-
disk on a sun to use it. There's a package for handling DOS-disks.
Greetings,
RIPLEY
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Date: 19 Sep 91 07:08:25 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!bmaraldo@arizona.edu (Commander
Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Music - Atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep17.164847.27820@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu (Chris Herborth) writes:
>Last I heard, Mick Fleetword was using an ST, and Tangerine Dream had
>13 of them...
>
I run CLAB Creator/Notator on my Atari. If it wasn't for Creator/
Notator (and of course Calamus) I would not own an Atari. As far as I am
concerned, and I have experience with many sequencers on many systems,
Creator/Notator is the best all round sequencer/notator package there is
and it's only for the Atari (same for Calamus in the DTP world).
I use my computer for music composition and all my promo typesetting,
including the j-cards for my cassette tape release. A little 520ST goes
a long way (especially with 4meg in it :-)
Brett L Maraldo
Plexus Productions
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Date: 18 Sep 91 23:39:50 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hy
c@arizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep17.232658.4637@umbc3.umbc.edu> chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu (Chuck
Rickard; ACS (UGRAD)) writes:
>Howard and Chris, thanks for the replies!
>
>I have my 33mhz 68030 and 8 megs of RAM ready for the board! All I need
>to get is a 68882 and the board itself....
>
>BTW, do you happen to know what speed of RAM I should have? And, does the
>68030 automatically use the 68882 or do the programs have to be written
>for it?
80ns is the slowest I'd consider, which will work fine for 33MHz. 60ns is
good if you're gonna run at 40MHz or faster. (Certified at 40MHz, means a
10% margin, so 40-45 MHz for you real speed freaks.) Also, you must use
page-mode DRAMs, not nibble mode or static column mode. (Page-mode are
typically the cheapest kind of DRAM so this should be no problem.)
Programs have to be written specifically to use the math coprocessor. You
could probably get an emulator working pretty easily. The SST ships with
TOS 2.05 onboard, so there is no Line-F trap conflict.
At any rate, while the '030 will automatically run most 68000 code much faster,
there are new addressing modes and such on the '030 which could conceivably
yield further improvements for '030-specific code. (As well as obvious stuff
like the 32-bit integer arithmetic vs the 68000's 16 bit instructions...)
--
-- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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Date: 18 Sep 91 23:52:53 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@a
rizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep18.121528.2347@doug.cae.wisc.edu> carter@cae.wisc.edu
(Gregory Carter) writes:
>However, the points you raised about the Mega STE's could be said of
>any machine Atari makes. MEGA's are not immune with thier incredibly cheesy
>power supplies, something I am glad to see Atari fixed with thier switching
>power supplies in the MEGA STE's. At least I don't have to worry about adding
>a 100+ Megabyte HD and having my power supply literally die from the load.
Cheesy power supplies - yeah, I'd agree with that. My Mega is sitting in a
full-size tower case with a 200 watt power supply...
>
>I don't know about you, but the MEGA keyboards aren't all that great
>component wise either, they are designed with the same screwy under
>the river through the woods joystick ports as the 1040ST's.
Um, wait. The ports *are* on the back/underside, but they're not hard to
get to. Much easier than on the 1040 style case, anyway.
>
>I personally love my keyboard, Dave and it does have a solid feel on
>my desk. The smaller key tops enable you to type much quicker, without
>hitting a nearby key.
Haven't actually typed on a Mega STe keyboard, no comment.
>
>I would also suspect there are some interesting capabilities and products
>in the future for the VME bus on Mega STE's also. (Although probably
>not available for sale in the US, Europe already has cpu cards, display
>cards, etc for people to buy.)
VMEbus. Yeah! Despite folks gripes, A24/D16 is not a waste of time. There
are plenty of useful devices out there that only require 24/16 bus size:
ethernet boards, terminal multiplexers, drive controllers... The only thing
you might want A32/D32 for is memory, and Atari never intended to hang
memory off the VME bus.
>
>The MEGA STE also comes with a bar none onboard host adapter for its internal
>HD which blows a lot of equavalent HD setups into the weeds.
Sounds cool. Obtw, I currently have my 1040STe and Mega 4 ST sharing a
single SCSI bus. Pretty cool, as long as I don't try to boot both machines
at once...
>
>As for the AdSpeed advantage, I don't know yet, a friend of mine has
>recently upgraded his MEGA just as you say, internal HD, plus an AdSpeed
>upgrade...as soon as we get together I'll let you know.
I ordered an AdSpeedSTe for my system. I'm kinda bummed at not having
a Mega STe. Oh well.
>
>But all in all, the MEGA STE is a vast upgrade, from the MEGA's.
>And considering you get an HD, VME support twice the speed, and a
>nice box to fit it all in, its pretty nice. TWO power cables. Thats
>it.
>
>You also get three different serial ports, a LAN port. 4096 colors
>standard, stereo sound standard, the capability to add a 1.4 megabyte
>drive with a simple chip and drive swap, makes the MEGA STE a very
>very strong contender for the new 68K flagship machine.
Also sounds very good. Another btw - there was a company selling 1.44MB
drive+controller for $159 at the Glendale fair. Tiny board that replaces
the WD1772 chip. But news is that Atari is coming real close on their
single-chip replacement, so the options are ever-widening...
>
>If you look at the price to, for what a MEGA ST/4 use to cost, and what
>you can buy a MEGA STE/4 for now, I think its cheaper, but still a bit pricey.
Personally, if I were buying right now, I would get the Mega STe.
>
>I personally can't see with all this going for you, why you would buy
>a MEGA 4 and spend mega bucks, and sacrifice features, and then on top
>of that buy Mr. Small's SST board.
>
>If he is counting on that, which I don't think he is, Mr. Small isn't going
>to make as much money as I previously stated.
And who's to say that it won't work in a Mega STe. The only reason that it's
listed as only for Mega STs is that those are the only systems with enough
space inside the case. The implication is that if you own a 520 or 1040 and
don't mind ripping it out of its case and installing it in some other chassis,
you could also use the SST. I don't know anything about the STe so this is
purely speculation, but I'd guess since the SST already has to talk to the
ST bus at 8MHz, it should work in 1040 STe and Mega STe as well. (Problem then
is simply getting the right chip socket.)
>
>Dave Small is much smarter than that.
>
>--Greg
--
-- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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Date: 19 Sep 91 10:05:27 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs
.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!ysub.ysu.edu!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmsww
u1c!onm07@arizona.edu
Subject: Rufus with Matrix M110 possible?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <A0bbvvtm@pfunk.hanse.de>, blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de (Michael
Kistenmacher) says:
>As far as I know, the software for the Matrix 19" monochrome monitors
>consists of two parts. One of them is GOLIATH, which is a complete
>driver with GDOS support. But it is very very slow.
No, it isn't. As far as I remember, it's considerably faster than the original
VDI.
>So MATRIX added another driver named DAVI, which is capable to support
>some screen accellerators like Turbo ST and Quick ST II. We tried
>to install NVDI in several ways, but it broke every time. DAVI is written
>by some guys from France and if you know of TURBODOS, you may understand
>why this can't work. OK, this is another prejudice like "GFA programs don't
>make reliable redraw".
I just spoke with Arnd: there are definitively people using NVDI. Perhaps
you should ask directly Arnd (ab@ms.maus.de), the authors of NVDI OR
Matrix.
>
>On the ATARI Messe in Duesseldorf we asked at Matrix, if they will deliver
>a new version of their drivers to run NVDI, but they said "Monochrome is
>out of time" and they probably will not support tose screens in the
>future.
I see their point -- the software obviously works, and they will get no
new customer by enhancing old driver software.
>
>What about Arnd Beissner's PROTAR screen driver, does he support all
>screen accelerators or is it fast enough without them. I never saw
>an article comparing the quickness of these graphic cards.
There is no such driver. And Arnd would be very interested about who is
saying such things (please reply by email to Arnd).
>
>Bye......Michael
>
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Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216)
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Date: 17 Sep 91 13:10:58 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
lumbia.edu!ira.uka.de!sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de!namu01.gwdg.de!pressler@arizona.edu
(Lutz Pressler)
Subject: Test
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Only testing posting to this newsgroup.
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Date: 17 Sep 91 13:14:17 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
lumbia.edu!ira.uka.de!sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de!namu01.gwdg.de!pressler@arizona.edu
(Lutz Pressler)
Subject: Test; please reply
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Please reply.
Lutz
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+ Lutz Pressler E-mail: pressler@namu01.gwdg.de +
+ Kreuzburger Strasse 11 Tel.: ([+49] [0]551) 7700178 +
+ W-3400 GOETTINGEN Fed. Rep. of GERMANY +
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