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Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 14 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 17
Today's Topics:
"Green selector" virus?
44 Meg cartridge drive reliability
80N86 Emulation.
Airball
AmigaFS
Editors
GCR with overscan?
Grad School Plea: Please read this
Hard Drive Backup
Help with dungeon master
Hermes UUCP package
Monitor question
new uud version
PD C compilers for ST
SKATES.PRG boot problem
Specification for OMTI 5400 needed
SST (68030) for the ST. 520ST?
STBook (Notebook computer)
STe's
Uniterm TOS Error 35
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Date: 14 Jan 92 06:25:21 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: "Green selector" virus?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Ian Crighton asks:
>I'm only working with some third-hand information here so I apologise for
>the lack of detail, but has anyone heard of an ST virus that greets you
>with some phrase like "the little green selector"? For all I know this may
>not be a virus at all - it could be part of an application that is running -
>but I thought that it might ring bells with someone here if it was. And, if
>it IS a virus, does anyone know what virus-hunting tools are around that
>would help to get rid of it?
The "Little Green File Selector" is an alternative file selector
written by Charles F. Johnson of CodeHead Software.
His Shareware company is called "Little Green Footballs"
(don't ask me.. ask him...! :)
I don't use that file selector, so I don't know what messages it
might print while installing, or while being used, but unless
someone has mucked around with it, it's a legitimate and very
useful program.
I know Charles monitors this newsgroup, but just in case he
doesn't see this thread right away, I'll let him know about
these concerns, and let him address the issue...
BobR
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Date: Mon 13 Jan 92 23:00:47-PST
From: CLARK@SALK-SC2.SDSC.EDU
Subject: 44 Meg cartridge drive reliability
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm thinking of picking up a 44 Meg cartridge drive, probably from
Toad computers in Maryland. I haven't seen any discussion about the
reliability of these devices. We have a couple of these drives at work for
Macs, and the feeling there is that they are *not* reliable, but I can't
be sure that they have been treated properly. So, how about it - am I about
to make a $700 mistake?
BTW, I've just moved here to San Diego in chilly Southern
California. Can anyone give me pointers to a good Atari shop in the area?
Thanks for any help.
Steve Clark
clark@salk-sc2.sdsc.edu (Internet)
clark@salk (Bitnet)
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Date: 14 Jan 92 09:05:26 GMT
From:
mcsun!uknet!keele!nott-cs!warwick!covpoly!cck.cov.ac.uk!esx070@uunet.uu.net
(Brevan Miles (esx070))
Subject: 80N86 Emulation.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello out there,
I want to run programs for the IBM PC machines on my ST and as far as
I know there are two ways of doing this.
1) Use some emulation software such as PC Ditto.
2) Buy a chip which does the emulation.
I have heard the second option can be bought, but what I want to know is,
How good is it? How easy is it to install? Where can I get it and how
much does it cost? How fast do they run the programs?
If anyone out there has, or has seen such emulators, please let me know what
they are like.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brevan Miles. e-mail: esx070@uk.ac.cov.cck
Coventry Polytechnic.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I wish I'd bought a PC"
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Date: 14 Jan 92 07:19:29 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!rfschaa@uunet.uu.net (Schaaf RF)
Subject: Airball
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi,
Some time ago I bought the game `Airball' and while it
was fairly addictive I stopped playing it. The reason is
that I couldn't find the `flask.' Is there anyone out there
that knows where I can find it?
Richard
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Date: 14 Jan 92 05:28:53 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: AmigaFS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <8722@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> herborth@pinot (Chris Herborth)
writes:
> In article <zxmgn01.695182523@mailserv> zxmgn01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
(Philipp Knirsch) writes:
>
> }Hmmm... But some copy-programms copy a normaly Amiga-Formated disk without
> }problems. So, why should it not be possible to do it??
> }
> }Perhaps you are right when you look at single sectors, but i think if i can
> }read track by track, that would be enough to build up a AmigaFS
> }
> }Phil. (zxmgn01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de)
>
> You can copy a Spectre formatted (I'm not sure about a straight Mac disk) disk
> the same way... The only caveat is that you should override any checks the
> program does to find out the disk format. As far as I know, Mac (and Spectre)
> disks are _always_ 2 sides, 10 sectors, and 80 tracks.
>
> So, it _might_ be possible to write a MFS filesystem reader/writer for the
> new MiNT loadable filesystems... It _should_ be possible to do an AmigaFS
> filesystem... I have a feeling Mac HFS would be either impossible or
> incredibly difficult, since Dave Small couldn't do it...
>
> ----------=========================================================----------
> Chris Herborth herborth@pinot.Waterloo.NCR.COM
> Information Products Co-Op
> NCR E&M Waterloo
> --
> ----------=========================================================----------
> Chris Herborth herborth@pinot.Waterloo.NCR.COM
> Information Products Co-Op
> NCR E&M Waterloo
A few people don't seem to know this, but the Amiga is a 11 sector format
with NO CRC checking, it uses Sum Checks, also they don't use the
index mark, all this causes problems with a real disk controler..
Also all sector writes are a full track write as they don't use Gaps..!!
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 14 Jan 92 09:59:40 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jonh.wimsey.b
c.ca!jhenders@arizona.edu (John Henders)
Subject: Editors
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can anyone point me to an editor that doesn't insert carriage
returns in text that just has linefeeds in it? I need it to create
messages to be sent to a unix system.
Also, I heard there was a German port of nn. Is it available on
any archive sites?
--
John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Vancouver,BC or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
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Date: 14 Jan 92 08:57:41 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma!wmag
ro@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: GCR with overscan?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does Spectre GCR work with the overscan modification??????
And on the TT, does it run in the color modes, i.e. TT med res.
I know it won't be in color, I am just wondering whether it can
run a mono 640x480 mode.
Does Spectre GCR do the sound via DMA sound on an STe, or is it done
in software, like on the regular ST?
Any help is appreciated (of course)!
--Bill
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Date: 14 Jan 92 12:25:47 GMT
From: TERMINATOR.CC.UMICH.EDU!weiner@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: Grad School Plea: Please read this
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
As some of you may know, I'll be graduating this May. When I was
filling out grad school applications, the idea for a recommendation from
the usenet atari community as a whole crossed my mind as something that
would be pretty interesting (especially considering how much time I spend
with doing archive related stuff :) ).
With this in mind, please consider writing a brief note, saying
what you think my chances for to complete a graduate degree in
statistics are. I realize this is quite difficult, but there are some
aspects of my work that some of you have certainly had contact with, such
as my organizational skills, my writing ability (Remember the ftp guide, etc.),
my teaching ability (ever try to help someone set up gnu c over email,
a question at a time?), and so on.
Here's how we've set this up to work:
1. You decide you'd like to help me out. You then send a brief
not to Fred Swartz, the archive administrator, who has agreed to accept
letters. His address is archive-admin@archive.umich.edu.
2. Fred will collect them, print them out, and enclose them in the
sealed envelope. I will NOT see these, unless you specifically state
that you'd like me to in your letter.
3. Fred will vouch for the authenticity of the e-mail, and sign all the forms.
That's really about it. Hopefully, admissions committees will look at
this as something original and then with this and everything else admit
me to their graduate program in statistics.
For the record, I'm currently interested in U of Washington, U of
Minnesota, U of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, and Carnegie-Mellon. There
is a number of other schools that I am considering applying to also, but
for now these four are it.
I'd like to thank all of you who reply, it really means a lot to me.
weiner
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Jeff Weiner --- weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu --- Umich atari posse
Corner of Packard and State, 2nd house from Blue Front on Arbor
718 Arbor, Ann Arbor, MI 48104, +1 313 998 0892, near the Univ. of Michigan
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Date: 13 Jan 92 10:24:46 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!caen!umeecs!um
n.edu!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!rztsun!ap06!hschs91om@arizona.edu (Ole
Marienhagen - 04121/91726 )
Subject: Hard Drive Backup
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <kmrjs9INNd0l@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, raycole@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ray Cole)
writes:
|> Help!!!! My hard drive has gotten a few flaky spots on it and is in need of
|> reformatting, but I have no backup software. Can anyone recommend any to me?
|> I'd prefer PD, available through ftp; but will take recommendations on any
and
|> all software available. If it makes a difference I'm using a homebrew hard
|> drive with an ICD Host Adaptor and a Maxtor LX-90 hard drive. I've tried
using
|> the ICD utilities shipped with the adaptor to rebuild the partitions (after
|> shuffling all the data from one partition to another) but it gets so far and
|> then stops and gives an error of sense code $FF then suggests reformatting.
|> Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.
|>
|>
|> --
|> Ray Cole | raycole@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
|> Computer Consultant | This space for rent or hire
|> Manhattan KS USA | Make an offer
For Harddiskbackup it gives a programm which are called Turtle.
This programm is PD and you can get it on e few ftp Server.
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Ole Marienhagen
Tel.: Germany 04121/91726
Internet: marienhagen@tu-harburg.dbp.de
or: a0marien@informatik.uni-hamburg.de
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Date: 14 Jan 92 05:55:46 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Help with dungeon master
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dick Wall asked about iron keys on Level 6 in Dungeon Master..
There's an iron key on the floor in an alcove with some "Torso
Plate" armor that's easily missed..
It's in the large area filled with a lot of pillars that's to
the right at the "I don't like to be ignored" inscription.
That's probably the one you need...
BobR
DoD#414
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Date: 14 Jan 92 05:21:10 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jonh.wims
ey.bc.ca!jhenders@arizona.edu (John Henders)
Subject: Hermes UUCP package
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <6tA5novjwdE@pfunk.hanse.de>, Michael Kistenmacher writes:
>
>Some weeks ago the author told me, that he doesn't want HERMES to go out to
>the public until it's out of beta-status. The actual version is 0.991 and
>it won't be long 'til it's at 1.0.
>
Which public does Martin mean? It's already on a German archive site,
who's name I can't remember, and on atari.archive over here.
--
John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Vancouver,BC or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
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Date: 14 Jan 92 12:34:06 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!
comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Monitor question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <3127@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> dcd123@peach.ucsb.edu (Hanson) writes:
> Greetings. I am building an interface cable for the monitor port.
> Can I hook up the monochrome & ground? If so, do I need to raise the
> monochrome select pin with the 12v on the port as well? Any advice is
> welcome. I have a monochrome monitor and a color tv and would like to
> be able to see something. BTW it is a 1040STf
>
> Many thanks.
Don't connect the mono detect to any voltage, it is connected to 0 volts
if mono, it has its own pull up resistor..
Also a colour TV is not that good, inless it has a Scart RGB input,
so be warned...
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 92 10:23 MET
From: "Chris Evelo: MFAGKCHR@HMARL5 (BITNET)" <MFAGKCHR@RULIMBURG.NL>
Subject: new uud version
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I did some hacking on the v 3.4 source of uudecode. The main reason
was that I didn't like all the disk activity when I used uud on my
TT harddisk. As a side effect the new version is much faster than the
old one. (about 7 fold on my TT when both the new version and 3.3
were run in TT RAM, and when input and output were on the same (rather full)
partition of the internal HD. About 3 fold on my ST with megafile 30).
Questions:
- Should I post this?
- Should I call it version 3.5, or is there something like that already?
For further info see below:
Chris Evelo
/* Version 3.5 (CE)
* Adapted for Pure C (use TOS.H)
* Functionality change: added a 70K buffer for input files
* and 20K for output
* results in faster decode and less disk activity on atari ST/TT
*
* Use system(NULL) call to decide whether run from desktop.
* No more waiting for keypress when run from shell.
* This should help to run uud in the background under MiNT
* BTW gulam does not reset the shell_p variable when exited,
* therefore uud (and others) will expect that a shell is still
* active. Also shell_p is not cleared after a reset (at least
* is some TOS versions), you may want some auto folder utility
* to clear is for you. Something like this was included in
* older gemini packages.
*
* Prevent all warnings from Pure-C:
* Use standard header files
* Added ANSI prototypes
* Made explicit casts when needed
* Completed two ambiguous (but correct) if statements
* Added parenthesis to main roll's in decode
*
* Removed the whole special format stuff, and use printf/puts
* this made it eassier to conform to ANSI standards, and will
* make it eassier to maintain the source.
* (But, it made the binary larger :-( ).
* I think it would be a better idea to use the old format
* code to get smaller printf and puts functions, and link
* them from a separate library, if you really want to gain
* 10K of binary size.
*/
Chris Evelo
MFAGKCHR@HMARL5.bitnet
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Date: 14 Jan 92 08:44:18 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: PD C compilers for ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1068@ehviea.ine.philips.nl> leo@ehviea.UUCP (Leo de Wit) writes:
>In article <4437@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>|In article <12338@star.cs.vu.nl> rfschaa@cs.vu.nl (Schaaf RF) writes:
>|>On the subject of (PD) C compilers: does anyone know of a C
>|>compiler (PD or not PD) that is able to generate fully PC
>|>relative code? I would like to be able to move the program
>|>around in memory without having to do any relocation.
>|
>|Good old Megamax C (not Laser C) did this. As a result the programs could not
>|have any segments more than 32K. I'm pretty sure this was the case because the
>|executables produced had no relocation tables.
>
>Shouldn't this be: ... any segments more than 64K ... ? Most 68000 C
>compilers will use 16 bit address register relative addressing in this
>case, and 16 bits --> 64K (one of them being Lattice C, if I remember
>correctly).
Well I know this is true but when you use a word as an offset in such a way it
is treated as a signed number. So the first 32768 offsets are above the base
value and the next 32768 are below. Maybe Megamax did use 64K segments. It
would have been a little more tricky I guess but definately not impossible.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own !
! !
! Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs !
! Dept. of Computer Science ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk !
! Heriot-Watt University UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil !
! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK "That was never 5 minutes!" !
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: 14 Jan 92 05:45:48 GMT
From:
pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!aidev.enet.dec.com!miskinis@decw
rl.dec.com (John Miskinis)
Subject: SKATES.PRG boot problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>error #52 press a key
>
>What is going wrong? It has run before. No alt desk tops or boot programs.
>1040 Ste w/4meg.
Hi,
I'm not sure about the STE platform (I have a 1040STF)...
ANYWAY, I believe the files must be in a folder named
A:\SKATES.JMW in order to run...
ANYONE out there know if you can manipulate the skater, other
than just steering left and right?
_John_
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Date: 13 Jan 92 10:32:36 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!caen!umeecs!um
n.edu!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!rztsun!ap06!hschs91om@arizona.edu (Ole
Marienhagen - 04121/91726 )
Subject: Specification for OMTI 5400 needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <qgZceB2w164w@status.gen.nz>, jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
|> hschs91om@ap06.rz.tu-harburg.de (Ole Marienhagen - 04121/91726 ) writes:
|>
|> > I've the problem, that i want to connect an old MFM harddrive with the
|> > OMTI 5400 and an ICD-hostadapter to my ATARI ST. The original ICD-Software
|>
|> Have you tried to use the OMTI 5520 at all..
|>
|> _
|> Jon Clarke o( ) STaTus BBS, The Atari BBS in Auckland, NZ
|> jonc@status.gen.nz / /\ If that does not work try these address's
|> Auckland,New Zealand kcbbs.gen.nz!status!jonc or on GEnie : J.CLARK
I'm using the harddrive at the momentr with the OMTI 5520 with an adapter who
can be only as a singel applikation at the DMA-port. ANd I want to use the
OMTI 5400 because the OMTI 5400 is connected to my SCSI hostadapter, and so
i can use my SCSI drive too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ole Marienhagen
Tel.: Germany 04121/91726
Internet: marienhagen@tu-harburg.dbp.de
or: a0marien@informatik.uni-hamburg.de
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Date: 14 Jan 92 05:31:18 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: SST (68030) for the ST. 520ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <ei9ieB2w164w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> dillenbu@bert.eecs.uic.edu (John Dillenburg) writes:
>
> > Mega. IF you don't mind putting your ST in an AT case, then the SST
> > is electrically compatible with the old STs. AS of yesterday, the SSTs
>
> --> Hey do not knock it .. An ST in a clone case works well take it
> from me this message is written on such a machine!
>
> _
> Jon Clarke o( ) STaTus BBS, The Atari BBS in Auckland, NZ
> jonc@status.gen.nz / /\ If that does not work try these address's
> Auckland,New Zealand kcbbs.gen.nz!status!jonc or on GEnie : J.CLARKE6
>
Are you saying you are a Clone Jon..:-)...??
or just a Clone of a Atari..!!
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 14 Jan 92 08:51:52 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: STBook (Notebook computer)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan9.181753.13799@atari.uucp> trh@atari.uucp (T R Hall) writes:
> Incidently, we _*STRONGLY*_ recommend that future software products
>use the industry-standard _PARALLEL PORT_ dongles, which would save you having
>to re-invent security algorithms, etc. Using the cartridge port for such
>things is not a particularly good engineering practice, and forces us to
>maintain an "old-technology" port for a long time.
This is from a company that made the cartridge port read only.
That put the ST joystick ports in such an inaccessable place that most D
shells won't fit (and did the same with the extra STE ports). That uses
non-standard DIN and DB connectors on its floppy, video and hard disk ports.
Nothing personal Tracey (sp?) but it's been building up.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own !
! !
! Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs !
! Dept. of Computer Science ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk !
! Heriot-Watt University UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil !
! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK "That was never 5 minutes!" !
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: 14 Jan 92 06:01:13 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: STe's
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Billy D'Augustiine asked about the availability of TOS 2.06 for
STe's..
CodeHead Software will be distributing just the TOS 2.06 ROMS for
those whose machines will accept the ROMs directly.
Give them a call at: 213-386-5735 and ask about pricing and
availability.
BobR
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 92 09:15:24 CST
From: Charlie Turner <CHARLIE%UMVMA.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Uniterm TOS Error 35
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Recently I downloaded a copy of Uniterm that was in tar.Z format. I
think I successfully un Z'd it and un TAR'd it, but when I try to
run uniterm.prg I get a "TOS Error 35". I believe TOS Error 35 means
"invalid program load format".
Perhaps the unZ or unTAR programs I used caused a problem, although the
ASCII text files seem OK after their extraction.
I'd welcome any suggestions about how to proceed and get around this
TSO Error 35.
At the same time, I'm also looking for a site where I might FTP a
copy of Uniterm that is in a format more native to PCs like ZIP or ARC.
Please post a message if you know of such a site. I originally got
this Uniterm from atari.archive.umich.edu (or some name like that). I
couldn't find a Uniterm there except for the tar.Z file.
Thanks.
-------
Charles Turner Bitnet: charlie@umvma
University of Missouri IT/CCF Internet: charlie@umvma.umsystem.edu
Columbia, Mo Voice: 314-882-9288
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