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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 26 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 505
Today's Topics:
ARJ?
ARJ? K.I.S.S.! (2 msgs)
BIG color
Dest-top Pub?
Hey!!!
How do I ENABLE Control-C? (was: How do I stop Control-C?)
Is Fcopy PRO a demo or not
LineA problem
looking for M68000 instruction set
Looking for STMIDIEX.LZH or MIDIEXCL.LZH!!!
Mega/STE Screen Shifting
Software + Hard Disk for sale!
ST Magazines (was Re: More Lies From Atari?)
What to buy next... (2 msgs)
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Date: 24 Sep 91 18:06:54 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
lumbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!apple!portal!atari!kbad@arizona.edu (Ken
Badertscher)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) writes:
|The reason we want ARC, ZMODEM, LHARC etc as TOS programs is that you can't
|use a GEM program inside lets say a BBS or an automatic comm-program
Wrong.
It's possible (and eminently desirable, if you ask me) to write programs
like this which work both textually from a command line and graphically
from the desktop. It's not even very hard.
Reading this thread, I'm wondering where this idea came from. Why is it
that y'all think that if a program uses GEM it's unthinkable for the
same program to work with arguments from a CLI?
--
||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad)
||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine
/ | \ #include <disclaimer>
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Date: 24 Sep 91 18:01:54 GMT
From: olivea!apple!portal!atari!kbad@uunet.uu.net (Ken Badertscher)
Subject: ARJ? K.I.S.S.!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz) writes:
[a lot of stuff about how programming is more productive from a CLI,
[and about how we want to take his CLI away from him.
Just as you aren't saying don't make ARJ use from the desktop impossible
(wow, TRIPLE negative! My 8th grade English teacher would be shocked),
I'm saying PLEASE include a GEM UI in ARJ *along with the command line
options*.
Nobody wants to take your CLI away from you, nor do we want to force
you to use the desktop for programming. That is not the issue here.
The reason I posted my original request is that the number one
complaint about archive programs which I hear from users
(and yes, I listen to a lot of users, and not just here on Usenet, either)
is that these programs are way too hard to learn and use because of the
bewildering array of switches and options. A lot of users, you'd
probably be amazed to know how many, wonder what TTP programs are doing
in TOS in the first place.
Please, it's not that hard to make a program do double duty as a GEM
program with menus and windows and icons and as a CLI program with a
bewildering set of confusing switches that you have to look up every
time you want to use the program for something different.
I like to encourage programmers to make their programs easier for the
majority of users to use, because that makes the ST a better machine.
Obviously, with special purpose tools like programming tools, which
won't be used by most users, the user interface can be as nonexistent
as the programmers will put up with.
For a general-purpose tool like an archiver, it's important that a lot
of people will be able to use it by double clicking on its icon from
the desktop, looking up the options in the menus, performing familiar
operations in windows and dialogs. Graphical shells are nice as far
as they go, but that's just one more level of indirection, and one
more thing for the user to have to know (where did I put that archive
program, anyways...).
Keep it simple. Put it in one program, with an embedded resource
file, and make it work graphically from the desktop, or textually
from a shell.
Am I asking too much? I don't think so.
Do I want to have my cake and eat it as well? You bet I do.
--
||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad)
||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine
/ | \ #include <disclaimer>
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Date: 24 Sep 91 22:42:54 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!olivea!apple!portal!a
tari!towns@arizona.edu (John Townsend)
Subject: ARJ? K.I.S.S.!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
|[Super long discussion on the merits of CLIs for programming, etc.]
On the subject of ARJ port for the ST. I have a simple request:
- Either include the GEM interface as Ken Badertscher has asked
for (you know, CLI version that when it is run from the desktop
will present a GEM interface..)
or
- Make the source to your port available so that someone like myself
or Ken Badertscher can do the GEM version ourselves.
Last point.. Programmers use CLIs. Users don't. Well, Atari users don't
anyway :-)
-- John Townsend ames!atari!towns
Atari Corp. towns@atari.uucp
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
John Townsend ames!atari!towns
Atari Corporation
"I know I need something.. I just don't know what it is!"
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Date: 25 Sep 91 13:58:31 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs
.ohio-state.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler)
Subject: BIG color
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <17967@hydra.Helsinki.FI> luoto@cs.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto) writes
:
>Jambo netters,
>
>I'd like to get few facts & opinnions on following:
>
>Having a TT030/8 and considering buying a CALAMUS SL (you know 16.4 million co
l.
>
>-What choices do I have in monitors... I want a big one (at least 19")
>-How many coclors do they display ?
>-what kind of triks do they do to the TOS ? which of them CAL.SL supports ?
>- any hints, tips, or things to avoid ?
>
>-anything that's mental as anything or not will help !!!
>
>
>THANKS !
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>> " I'm completely operational & all my cicuits are functioning <<<<<<
>>>>>>> correctly...correc...corr...co...-! " : HAl9000 <<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Could answers to this be posted or forwarded to me, I might be interested
(really I want to go Mac, but what the heck, it never hurts to know...)
Oh, you should see CALAMUS SL with the ISAAC card, talk about beautiful!!! (I
got the demo from GEnie).
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Date: 25 Sep 91 08:09:03 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!dinsmm
@arizona.edu (Michael John Dinsmore)
Subject: Dest-top Pub?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi.
I am looking for a PD or shareware desktop publishing program.
I think there is/was one called easytext, but I'm not sure. Am
I right and where can I find it? Thanks a lot for the help!
____ /\/\
\MD/ / \ike "You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge."
\/ dinsmm@rpi.edu - Neil Peart, RUSH
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Date: 25 Sep 91 06:19:48 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!ninjam@arizona.edu
Subject: Hey!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Geeze!!!
Cant anyone describe all the different Atari's? And what makes each
one different?!?!
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Date: 25 Sep 91 11:38:48 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!harrier.ukc.ac.uk!hobby.ukc.ac.uk!wabe@uunet.uu.net
(W.A.B.Evans)
Subject: How do I ENABLE Control-C? (was: How do I stop Control-C?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes:
>
>>
>> There's a third alternative: use Crawio(c) for output and Crawcin() for
>> input. These are GEMDOS functions, not BIOS functions, and as such are
>> redirectable and other stuff. The redirection doesn't actually work before
>> TOS 1.4 for some of the single-character I/O calls, but that's Yet Another
>> Good Reason To Upgrade.
>>
So - that's it! I've been puzzled why CNTRL-C does not work on my
Mega ST-4 when I give it as an input to Cconin() - whereas it DOES work if
I compile the SAME program on my STE ( by the way I use MWC version 3.0.6).
However MWC's gets() function seems to respond correctly to CNTRL-C
on the older TOSes whereas my own "gets()" function (which uses Cconin())
does not - but is OK on the STE.
Sorry I missed the begining of this debate - but I would be obliged
if anyone could mail me if they know how to ENABLE CNTRL-C in response to
Cconin() ( short of Allen Pratt's sledgehammer solution of upgrading the
TOS - or would he prefer I buy a new Mega STE? )
Sincerely, W. Alan B. Evans
[ wabe@ukc.ac.uk ]
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Date: 20 Sep 91 09:48:33 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
lumbia.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!grasp1!frmug!elrond@arizona.edu
(Bertrand Petit)
Subject: Is Fcopy PRO a demo or not
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep13.183045.10706@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>,
lsmichae@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Lars Michael) writes:
> elrond@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Bertrand Petit) writes:
>
>
> > Hello, I have found a version of FCOPY PRO on a BBS and I don't
> >know if it's a demo or the commercial version. Can someone give me a hint to
> >recognise if it's a demo so i can put it in download areas of my BBS.
>
> Hi Bertrand,
> a german ST magazine I saw a commercial of FCOPY Pro. The prize was DM 89,-
> (about 50 bucks). May be in this world (the best of all possible) there is
> also a demo of FCOPY PRO, but I don't think so. If you want a PD version of
> FCOPY try FCOPY V3.0.
>
Not a all. I have a version of FCOPY PRO but i want to be sure that
its a demo before i post it to my BBS download area.
--
| Bertrand Petit | Signature is under construction |
| alias | |
| >Elrond le demi-Elfe< | Be sure to wear your helmet |
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 91 07:37:21 +0200
From: pinstall%bbrbfu60.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: LineA problem
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello netter,
I can't get rid of one bug in one of my program. I use the line
A to display text. I use Line A and not GEM callfor the 3 systems fonts
(16*8 8*8 and 6*6) and for the speed. The compilator I use is Turbo C
2.0.
When the I use a clipping rectangle that overlap partially a
line oftext. When I make the redraw I have garbage on the screen and
finally crash of the system. I don't have this problem with equivalent
GEM calls. This situation arrive frequently when an accessory cause a
redraw of my windows.
The routine looks like :
/*after the last GEM call, LINEA */
set_wrt_mode(REPLACE);
grect_to_array(pClip, a4_xy);
set_clip(a4_xy[0], a4_xy[1], a4_xy[2], a4_xy[3], 1);
/*this is the global clipping rectangle*/
for (y = 0; y < Grect.g_h; y += HChar) { /*for each line*/
Grect.g_y += y; grect_to_array(&Grect, a4_xy);
filled_rect(a4_xy[0], a4_xy[1], a4_xy[2], a4_xy[3]);
/*remove background*/
print_string(Grect.g_x, Grect.g_y, 0, "Hello world");
/*that's the string*/
}
In advance thank you very much for suggestions.
Patrick, INSTALLE
> V.U.B BITNET :pinstall@BBRBFU60.BITNET<
> Free University Brussels FAX : 32 2 65099 99 <
> Plantengenetica Voice : 32 2 650 99 45 <
> 69, rue des Chevaux <
>B-1640 Rhode St Genese (BELGIUM, EC) <
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Date: 24 Sep 91 21:57:13 GMT
From:
europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!gmuvax2!scoi
le@uunet.uu.net (Steve Coile)
Subject: looking for M68000 instruction set
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
On a wild urge, I've decided I want to write an M68000 assembler.
Unfortunately, I don't have ANY documenation on the 68000, and none of the
local book stores (computer or otherwise) have anything on a straight 68000.
SO, does anyone have a complete list of the 68000 instruction set, including
opcode values, as well as all the other necessary numbers? If not, does
anyone know an address or (toll-free) number I can call to get some
information?
Thanks in advance for any information!
Steve "Stevers!" Coile scoile@gmuvax[{.BITNET|[2].gmu.edu}]
"Maturity is knowing when and where to act immature"
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Date: 24 Sep 91 22:17:36 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-s
tate.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!rlcollins@arizona.edu (Ryan
'Gozar' Collins)
Subject: Looking for STMIDIEX.LZH or MIDIEXCL.LZH!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep24.005955.5825@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, mrose@csws9.ic.sunysb.edu
(Michael Rose) writes:
> Also, does anyone know anything about WINXV13.LZH, also mentioned in
> ZNET #91-34. It supposedly lets you open up to 127 windows at once, instead
> of the limit of seven. Is it any good? Where can I find this too?
> Thanks a lot!!!
I download this from GEnie last week, and then I found out it doesn't
run on anything but German TOS 1.4. (I've got US TOS 1.4, of course)
I can put it in atari.archive if any wants to look at it. (or maybe find
a way to run it on US TOS 1.4 machines.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ryan 'Gozar' Collins Question for MAC Users: rlcollins@miavx1.BITNET
|||| Power Without What IS the format of a rc1dsanu@miamiu.BITNET
/ || \ The Price!! MAC HFS floppy disk? R.COLLINS1 on GEnie
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Date: 24 Sep 91 13:54:35 GMT
From: bloom-beacon!eru!kth.se!sunic!dkuug!imada!micro@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Klaus
Pedersen)
Subject: Mega/STE Screen Shifting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) writes:
>Errors on DMA-sound and video on MEGA STE - HOW WE FIXED IT !
[...]
>(I still would like Atari Corp to give some official information on
> this. It's not "ONLY YOUR MACHINE" anymore. It's quite a few...)
I heard from a dealer (who had had MEGAs with the problem) that Atari
(scandinavia) was well aware of the problem --- and that it was fixed.
No of new megas the dealer got had this problem. This was around a
month ago.
-Klaus
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Date: 25 Sep 91 05:42:34 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!equinox!cs.unr.edu!takem_b@arizona.edu
(Brian Takemoto)
Subject: Software + Hard Disk for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
**************************************************************************
* I am posting this for a friend. Please reply to him directly as he is *
* using my account to post this... :-) *
**************************************************************************
9/24/1991-ATARI ST, STe, MegaSTe, TT
"Don't have the time to use this package" SALE
PHASE-4 Solid Object Motion Control and Animation System by Lexicor I
regret that I have to let this one go. Time and limited amounts of
funds are very tight for a full time student. I have not explored the
full potential of this recently new package. The reviews are excellent
about this system. The many different programs that make up this
system has the feel of CAD-3D, DEGAS, Art & Film Director, Neochrome,
and Spectrum 512 all rolled into one.
ROSETTA-3D Translater/Viewer (retail $89.95):
-Translate other programs' files to it's own and vice versa
-"Point and click" animation
-High speed for wire frame and solid objects (large ones too)
CHRONOS Key Frame Animator (retail $249.95):
-3D animations w/out any coding
-Spotlighting, shadows, cameras etc.
-CYBER series compatible
-Cut, copy, paste etc.
PRISM PAINT Drawing Program (retail $79.95):
-ST, STe, MegaSTe, TT resolutions w/1024x768 4096 color mode (MegaSTe, TT)
-24 bit true color mode with 16 million on screen colors (TT)
-Supports Cal-Comp graphics tablet.
-Standard paint functions, slide show, compatible with many picture files.
PRISM RENDER (retail $89.95):
-Turn wire frame creations into "photographic" quality movies.
-Surfaces of objects may be altered to wood, chrome, etc.
PRISM TABLET DRIVER (retail $49.95):
-Utility permitting the use of a PRISM TABLET
Retail values total $480.75. Full PHASE-4 Pak price $369.95 (bought in
6/91). LEXICOR IS RAISING THE PRICES! Upgrades are on the way. All
programs and parts are intact! Will sell for $300.00 (savings $180.75).
Prices are negotiable.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
SUPRA HARD DRIVE 30 for ST, STe, MegaSTe, TT
31.49MB formatted, 15 ms track-track seek time, 940,000 bytes/sec data
transfer. I have just sold my ATARI 1040ST without selling the SUPRA
HARD DRIVE 30. I bought an ATARI MegaSTe4 (50MB internal hard drive).
The 50MB are enough storage space for a full time student. Need to
unload; need the funds! Extremely brand new; nothing wrong with the
HD. Approximately 100+- hours of use in the past 6+- months!
Check it out (newer model: approx. 3.5" dia. not the old 5.25" dia.
disk)! Retailed price $695.95. Bought for $550.00. Will sell at
$450.00 (negotiable).
Prices become VERY negotiable for both packages!
*Kaho Chan, (702)-358-7633
-Please call Thu/Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon 12p-9p PST
Tue/Wed 5p-9p PST
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takem_b@mammoth.unr.edu (or ?) ucbvax.berkley.edu!mammoth.unr.edu!takem_b
#include <signature.h> /* unfriendly control codes with ascii self portrate */
Anything that can go wrona@x3%se Pnews: segmentation violation. core dumped.
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Date: 24 Sep 91 14:02:59 GMT
From: bloom-beacon!eru!kth.se!sunic!dkuug!imada!micro@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Klaus
Pedersen)
Subject: ST Magazines (was Re: More Lies From Atari?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
carter@cae.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter) writes:
>They would probably look a bit more professional looking if they
>would simply dump the crappy ST DTP software they use to make the
>mag with. PM 4.0/MS WORD 4.0 make a great combination and a
>much more capable feature list to make DTP easier and more fun to do.
I don't know what you are talking about, but some of the best looking
ST mags is produced on an ST. The list includes german TOS and the
the brand new danish ST mag 'STT forum'. There is also the DMC show-off
mag. 'Cicero' (??) which started as a seperate mag, but it is now given
away with ST-magazin.
All these mags. are produced on ST/TT with calamus and then photoset.
-Klaus
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Date: 25 Sep 91 12:49:44 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!ersys!ggranger@arizona.edu
(Greg Granger)
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
> >The Atari has a specific niche in the market. It's not a big niche, but
> >they're all alone in it.
>
>
> >~
> >darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
> >uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
> >v
>
>
> Unfortunately, the problem seems to be that not all the inhabitants of this
> particular niche are aware of the fact that Atari "owns" the turf...
>
> A couple of years ago, I attended a live MIDI music concert as part of the
> Summer Arts Festival at the University of Michigan...
>
> The lady I was with looked in vain for Amigas on stage, and I did the same
> for Atari computers... not a one was to be seen. The entire concert
> was performed via Macintoshes and IBMs.
>
> During the introductory talks by members of the School of Music faculty,
> the word Atari was never even uttered.
>
> Yes, I know Atari "owns" the MIDI market... but someone seems to have
> forgotten to tell everyone else.
>
> BobR
I just received my copy of the MACE (Midlands Atari Computer Enthusiasts)
Newsletter in the mail yesterday, and one of the articles goes as
follows:
"ATARI BACK IN KEYBOARD - Atari is back advertising in Keyboard
magazine, the most widely read professional musician's magazine in the
country. In the August issue (with Yes keyboardist Rick Wakeman oyn the
cover), Atari has taken co-op ads with C-Lab (Notator, Creator) and Dr. T
(numerous editor/librarians and sequencers). The Atari logo is large and
clearly seen in both ads. There will be an Atari/Dr. T ad in Electronic
Musician this month as well. Bob Brodie of Atari says, "We've also done
similar things in PC-related magazines with some of our Portfolio
developers."
It's good to see that Atari is trying to continue to build its reputation
as one of the foremost computers on the market for MIDI music.
BTW, if you wish to get a subscription to the MACE Newsletter, just send
$10 US to:
Roy Barr, Editor
780 Dove Point Drive
Orangeburg, SC 29115
They also make mention that the CDAR505 will be shipped in September, and
FSM GDOS will be shipped around Oct. 1 (I'll believe it when I see it!).
Unfortunately for the CDAR505, "it won't even work on an ST machine as
shipped. Instead of having the ACSI/DMA port and a SCSI port as
announced, it will have only the 'pure SCSI' port that is the industry
standard. It'll plug right into a TT or a MAC, or any computer that has
a SCSI host adaptor. So ST owners will need to use an ICD or other host
unit to access the CD player."
Greg Granger
< InterNet: ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca > "Gimme the strongest
< FoReMNet: Greg Granger @ 532 or Dark Knight @ 595 > thing you've got."
< Mail Adr: 5906-188 St. Edmonton, AB Canada T6M-2A9 >
< Phone : +1 403 481-0803 or +1 403 481-5110 > - Lt. Frank Drebin
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Date: 25 Sep 91 11:30:35 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p
itt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas
Darling)
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
> A couple of years ago, I attended a live MIDI music concert as part of the
> Summer Arts Festival at the University of Michigan...
>
> During the introductory talks by members of the School of Music faculty,
> the word Atari was never even uttered.
Yeah. I went to the dreadful Berklee College of Music, which was the same
deal. The reason is this: educational discounts. At Berklee we ended up with
a LOT of utter crap - Macs, Performer, Kurzweil 250's (!) - because it was
extremely cheap for the school.
So far, the ST has been the most appealing to the serious pro user. I guess
Atari feels that since there's no competition there, they don't need to
advertise. I don't agree with them.
> Yes, I know Atari "owns" the MIDI market... but someone seems to have
> forgotten to tell everyone else.
I've noticed that the U.S. is a bit behind the rest of the world in this
respect. I wouldn't worry about it. I don't really care how many Ataris are
sold as long as the user base remains large enough that the software houses
keep developing for it, and the best MIDI software is still Atari-exclusive.
So far, that has been the case, and it looks like it will stay that way.
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
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