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Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 8 Feb 92 Volume 92 : Issue 74
Today's Topics:
".img" file conversions (2 msgs)
///\_ "Head and Serve" Sozobon HELP! ///\_
A couple of UNIXMODE and MiNT questions
Amiga, Atari ST, modems, monitor for sale
comp.os.minix
datalink - the continuing story
Disk Recovery Utilities
DVI driver for TeX
Gif printer drivers
Harpoon
More flame bait? (this is rediculous)
More RAM! (2 msgs)
Please Educate (soon to be) new Atari user (3 msgs)
Raytrace to Spectrum Converter
Wanted: Atari Mega or STe
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Date: 7 Feb 92 14:58:09 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!samsung!nstar!syscon!miked@arizona.ed
u (Mike DeMetz)
Subject: ".img" file conversions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have MVG (availible from Wizworks and some dealers) but I do not remember
in importing GEM (I will look). Touch-up does.
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Date: 7 Feb 92 09:50:27 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Alex.Valdez@arizona
.edu (Alex Valdez)
Subject: ".img" file conversions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Feb3.155225.7387@sae.com> malay@sae.com (Bob Malay) writes:
> There are a number of clipart files on a.a that are in ".img" format. How
> do I convert them so that they can be used by EasyDraw (requires ".gem"
> format??
>
> Bob Malay
>
.IMG files are bitmaps; .GEM files are metafiles. (That is, .IMGs are
pictures while .GEMs are essentially VDI commands strung together.) It
is not a trivial task to convert from IMG to GEM (other than brute
force, of course, by plotting each pixel). The Codeheads market a
product called Avant Vektor which will do it (and do it well, so I
heard) but unless you're a serious DTP user, I doubt if it will be
worth it.
--
================================Alex Valdez=============================
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Date: 7 Feb 92 08:38:59 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!pbinfo!hsg@uunet.uu.net (Joerg Hoyer)
Subject: ///\_ "Head and Serve" Sozobon HELP! ///\_
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Feb5.042325.9188@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
an172@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc A. Lombardo) writes:
> I am following the C-manship tutorial to learn C, and I have come to the
> fourth chapter. I tried to compile the program from the .c program on the
> c-manship disk and it didn't work.
> ld: undefined symbol '_abs' from module .\c4prg1
> ld: undefined symbol '_fpltof' from module .\c4prg1
> [etc.]
The name of the library you must include is fplib.a. You include
this library through a -f (or -r?, i remember it is -f) in the
comand-line of the cc comand.
I think then it will be correct translate.
bye..
--
/ ---- ---- Joerg Hoyer
/___ /___ /___/ Universitaet Gesamthochschule Paderborn, FB17
/ / / / Warburger-Str. 100, W-4790 Paderborn, GERMANY
/ / ___/ /__/ email: hsg@uni-paderborn.de
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Date: 6 Feb 92 19:21:08 GMT
From: ucla-se!pantheon!willing@locus.ucla.edu (Scott Willingham)
Subject: A couple of UNIXMODE and MiNT questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Feb05.132618.60139@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk
(Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:
>In article <4859@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU> bwhite@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU
(William E. White) writes:
>>
>>3. Exactly how slow IS MiNT? Are there any decent accelerator boards out
>>there if it is on the unspeedy side?
>
>MiNT slows down an ST by about 10%. On my TT.. it's not noticable :-).
I'd have to disagree with this. To quantify MiNT's overhead, you need to
specify what operations are taking place. Kernel (OS) calls are certainly
more expensive, but general CPU operations are slowed to a much smaller
extent. Using qindex, I have seen a 1 to 2% slowdown in CPU performance
on my 520stfm. Screen operations are affected more by low-level pixel
routines than the OS. I also doubt that disk I/O could be slowed appreciably
compared to the hardware performance. In summary, MiNT overhead for most
operations is unnoticable; the main slowdown I have seen is in screen text
operations and that is rapidly improving with each MiNT version.
-- Scott Willingham // willing@icsl.ucla.edu
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Date: 7 Feb 92 17:49:20 GMT
From: rit2!ultb!ultb!clf3678@cs.rochester.edu (C.L. Freemesser)
Subject: Amiga, Atari ST, modems, monitor for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The various items listed here are for sale. If you are interested in
anything here, please contact me via:
GEnie: C.FREEMESSER
Internet: clf3678@ultb.rit.edu
clf3678@ritvax
Phone: (716)328-5505 after 6pm EST
Prices do not include shipping. Will make a deal on multiple purchase of
items, but prices are pretty low. Everything listed here is in PERFECT
working condition! I'll find out the EXACT UPS shipping charges for
anything you want to order.
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Amiga 500 computer system. About 4 months old. Includes the computer
with a 1MB Supra memory expansion (total memory 1MB). This was one of those
starter kits that came with the Amiga 520 RF/color composite adapter,
TextCraft Plus, Tetris, and Where In the World is Carmen Sandiego. Complete
with all manuals, disks, original packaging, cables, etc. I will throw in
a copy of "Amiga for Beginners" by Abacus Books, a few European mags, and
Gauntlet II. I'll also include the original reciept for everything so
you can take advantage of the remaining warranty period.
$300
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BMI monochrome monitor. A little old, but works just fine. Green
phosphor display, no sound. Ideal for use on older computers like
the Apple II series (which did not require sound). RCA jack for video
input.
$25
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Zenith Data Systems 2400 baud modem. Only used a few hours. This is
a "standard" modem, with Hayes compatibility and a size that fits easily
under a telephone. Has the standard 8 LEDs on the front, with power
switch on back. Includes manual.
$65
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Zoom 2400 baud external modem. Similar to the Zenith, except it has a
smaller case and comes with original packaging. Power supply, manuals,
etc. included.
$50
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Amiga Software (all include boxes and manuals):
Alternate Reality: The City......$10
TransWrite (latest version)......$40
Wings............................$30
Battle of Britain (LucasFilm)....$15
FirePower........................$10
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Atari ST Software (all include boxes and manuals):
Great Battles (Napoleonic/Civil War).....$10
King of Chicago (Cinemaware).............$10
BattleHawks: 1942........................$15
Sub Battle Simulator.....................$10
Hole-In-One Mini Golf (2nd disk bad).....$2
From my earlier post, the Golden Image Amiga disk drive, Magnavox RGB 80
monitor, Joust (ST), and the Maxtor SCSI drive have been sold.
_______________________________________________________________________
|| Chris Freemesser, RIT Comp.Eng.Tech. I'd rather have a bottle ||
|| BITNET: clf3678@ritvax in front of me..... ||
|| Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.edu .....than have a frontal ||
|| GEnie: C.FREEMESSER L O B O T O M Y ! ! ! ||
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Date: 8 Feb 92 05:11:43 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!midiline!jared@arizona.edu
('286 Highlander)
Subject: comp.os.minix
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know how to get me patched into this newsfeed? I'd like to
be able to read some related topics of this type in Email...
Also, does anyone know how to get me in touch with the author of Minix?
Much appreciation!
Make all replies in Email ("Mail"). Thank you...
Jared
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Date: 7 Feb 92 18:35:57 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!keele!csw93@uunet.uu.net (Adam Turnbull)
Subject: datalink - the continuing story
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Just to follow up my own post....
I plucked up the courage to try my ST - amiga link. Partly because the
amiga owner said he'd pay for any damages if things went seriously
wrong...
Well, it works fine. The lead I have only has 5 wires connected, not all
of them, and things look pretty OK. Just thought you might like to
know..
Adam
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Date: 8 Feb 92 05:42:14 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!galileo.c
c.rochester.edu!news@arizona.edu (Ho)
Subject: Disk Recovery Utilities
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am looking for a pd/shareware or comercial disk recovery utilities
program. One of my directory on my Hard drive got screwed up when
the system crashed. I think I can just replace the FAT with the backup
one right? So, somebody please tell me how I can do it.
Thanks in advance.
..
Ling cherd
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Date: 7 Feb 92 12:58:39 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!newcastle.ac.uk!newton!q1rse@uunet.uu.net (Dave Johnson)
Subject: DVI driver for TeX
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am looking for a DVI driver for my deskjet 500 in order for me to print a DVI
file in landscape mode. Has this been implement in an drivers on the ST (Do the
drivers in CS-TeX allow this for example)
Dave J
D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk
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Date: 4 Feb 92 13:47:42 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohi
o-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!utorvm!ryerson!eeng6801@arizon
a.edu (Carlos Varela)
Subject: Gif printer drivers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The only ways to print GIFs that I know of is to convert them:
a) Convert them to IMG and use a DTP program to print
b) Convert to Degas and used IFFCNV to print
There is also a program called GIFPRINT that works on an IBM.
It works very nicely and the results are good/very good.
It also works on PC DITTO (takes 30-45 min to print a 640x480 image)
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| a contact lens, is in the eye of the = EENG6801.RYERSON.CA |
| beholder." = Fnet Node: #18, #38 |
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Date: 7 Feb 92 14:43:32 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!axion!newsserver!hyrax!ipc@uunet.uu.net (Ian P Coleman)
Subject: Harpoon
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know if the game Harpoon (which I've seen for the Mac
and the *miga) is available for the ST yet. I've tried to get it
in the UK, to be informed that the distributers went down the pan
in connection with the Maxwell business. Wondered if I might be able
to get it direct from the States? Also, are there any other decent
naval simulations around at present?
Answers by e-mail. Thanks.
Ian Coleman (ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk) | "The larger the building the more
BTL, Martlesham Heath, England | flaws there are in the design"
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Date: 7 Feb 92 19:40:08 GMT
From: amethyst!salado!misvax.mis.arizona.edu!dtarico@arizona.edu
Subject: More flame bait? (this is rediculous)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I don't know if everybody sees this, but on my system here there is a new
newsgroup just above comp.sys.atari.st which is titled
comp.sys.atari.chomps.the.big.one. Is this just a local thing, or is it
further distrubuted? I thought newsgroup formation was moderated also. It
is probably just another attempt to start some worthless computer agrument.
I don't understand why some people are so obsessed with putting down Atari.
As a matter of fact, I think I'll use my ST a little bit more today,
just to spite them! :)
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Doug Tarico Any opinions expressed were
dtarico@mis.arizona.edu completely accidental.
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Date: 7 Feb 92 17:42:00 GMT
From:
elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!umn.edu!doug.cae.wisc.e
du!carter@ames.arpa (Carter Gregory)
Subject: More RAM!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <54108@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas
Daugustine) writes:
>
>(please pardon the wide distribution, but since there seems to be quite
>an active Atari community in Germany, I figgered I might get an answer
>from there as well as from the US)
>
>Ive got a 520STe with 4mb of RAM, and I want more! I know that there
>are some accelerator cards for the non-STe, which also offer additional
>RAM, but since these dont work in the STe, and basiclly I just want
>more memory, thats not a viable option for me.
>
>I dont know anything about the ST architecture, but I am quite well
>version in electronics and theroy, and a bad speller at that. But
>what would happen if I plugged in say 4mb SIMMs into my STe? Would
>I be able to access that extra memory?
????
MMU would probably have the equivalent of a heart attack and buy the farm
on the spot...
>
>Im sure that for some reason its built to limit to 4mb (Atari foresight)
>but theres gotta be a way? Considering that the 68000 is capapble
>of addressing somewhere in the range of 4gb? (sorry if that number
>is wrong, but I dont have specs with me)
68000 ADDR 24 bits kid, thats all you get. Thats...16mb...
If you want more, sell your ST, get a real computer or upgrade to a TT,
or pray for an add that says: "Now shipping SST boards..."
>
>I dont mind taking a soldering iron to my machine, if thats what is
>needed (In Ataris mind, my warrentee was voided about three days
>after I received shipment, to install the 4mb...)
>
You won't need a soldering iron, you might want to try an axe though...
>Thanx
>
>Billy D'Augustine
>Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
>
>BTW: has anyone recived TOS 2.06 from CodeHead yet? I am getting quite
>itchy, and if need be, to satisify my upgrade addiction, Ill do something
>to my Amiga :-)
No, I haven't recieved it yet. In fact I haven't ordered it yet. I won't
either until Atari gets its act together and provides us Mega STE owners
with the HD floppy chip either to use HD disks.
Anybody get any of these from ATARI yet?
-Greg
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Date: 7 Feb 92 05:57:51 GMT
From:
sparkyfs.erg.sri.com!csl!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@ames.arpa
(William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: More RAM!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
(please pardon the wide distribution, but since there seems to be quite
an active Atari community in Germany, I figgered I might get an answer
from there as well as from the US)
Ive got a 520STe with 4mb of RAM, and I want more! I know that there
are some accelerator cards for the non-STe, which also offer additional
RAM, but since these dont work in the STe, and basiclly I just want
more memory, thats not a viable option for me.
I dont know anything about the ST architecture, but I am quite well
version in electronics and theroy, and a bad speller at that. But
what would happen if I plugged in say 4mb SIMMs into my STe? Would
I be able to access that extra memory?
Im sure that for some reason its built to limit to 4mb (Atari foresight)
but theres gotta be a way? Considering that the 68000 is capapble
of addressing somewhere in the range of 4gb? (sorry if that number
is wrong, but I dont have specs with me)
I dont mind taking a soldering iron to my machine, if thats what is
needed (In Ataris mind, my warrentee was voided about three days
after I received shipment, to install the 4mb...)
Thanx
Billy D'Augustine
Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
BTW: has anyone recived TOS 2.06 from CodeHead yet? I am getting quite
itchy, and if need be, to satisify my upgrade addiction, Ill do something
to my Amiga :-)
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Date: 7 Feb 92 17:31:18 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!gatech!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!uwm.edu!src.hone
ywell.com!umn.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Carter Gregory)
Subject: Please Educate (soon to be) new Atari user
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Feb06.232348.6350@cdsmn.mn.org> plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
writes:
>
>I hate asking these very basic questions, but I read the FAQ that was posted
>here and still don't know the difference between various models of the Atari
>line.
Ask what you want. Some people are pretty snotty sometimes to the new
people that drop by, but you cannot possibly ask a question too stupid.
>
>I have heard of 1040st, 1040stf, 1040stfm, 1040ste, MegaST, MegaSTe, TT, etc,
>etc. What are the diffences between these machines? Also, I have surmised
>from reading here for a few weeks now that there are no card slots in the
>ST as there are in PC's, Apples. Is this true? How are hardware add-ins
>and memory upgrades implemented?
>
>Thanks,
> Doug Plate
> plate@cdsmn.mn.org
>
Not very easily. As far as memory upgrades go, anything below a MEGASTE/TT
your looking at quite a soldering job. And even if you don't have to solder
as with some memory upgrades, like Zubair's 3D 4 Meg upgrade, you have
reliability problems.
ST's are pretty limited in memory expansion. You have a max of 4megs, without
doing heavy mods to the machine. The processor speed sucks too. Nobody
operates at 8Mhz anymore. I have a MegaSTE, it runs at 16Mhz and I still
consider that very marginal, even for general purpose use in the 90's.
A God, er, I mean person called David Small is working on fixing speed,
expansion and memory size problems of the ST. The SST board, as it is called
will bring us back to the performance mainstream of computing again.
The only drawback, is that Mr. Small has been having lots of problems
manufacturing the SST, so it isn't expected to be truly available in any
significant quantities until summer 92'.
I would recommend going the SST route, and buying a MEGA STE. Your gonna end
up with a machine that has far more potential than Atari's TT ever will.
-Greg
Of course, there are other alternatives to the ST you know...
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Date: 8 Feb 92 00:58:27 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!darwin.sura.net!gatech!pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!
cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas Darling)
Subject: Please Educate (soon to be) new Atari user
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
carter@cae.wisc.edu (Carter Gregory) writes:
> A God, er, I mean person called David Small is working on fixing speed,
> expansion and memory size problems of the ST. The SST board, as it is called
> will bring us back to the performance mainstream of computing again.
>
> The only drawback, is that Mr. Small has been having lots of problems
> manufacturing the SST, so it isn't expected to be truly available in any
> significant quantities until summer 92'.
Well, that's ONE drawback. The other is that these things will be
ridiculously expensive. I can't remember the exact price list I saw (it
might have been in ZNet a few months back), but these add-ons make the ST
about as expensive as the (nameless) machines they're designed to compete
with.
The TT is more cost-effective, I believe. Expensive but easier to expand.
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Date: 8 Feb 92 07:40:33 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!zazen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Carter
Gregory)
Subject: Please Educate (soon to be) new Atari user
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Feb8.020026.27892@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wmagro@uiuc.edu (William
Magro) writes:
>In article <1992Feb7.113118.18227@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, carter@cae.wisc.edu
(Carter Gregory) writes:
>ocessor speed sucks too. Nobody
>
>|> I would recommend going the SST route, and buying a MEGA STE. Your gonna
end
>|> up with a machine that has far more potential than Atari's TT ever will.
>|>
>|> -Greg
>
>Could you elaborate? Why does the TT have less potential?
>
>--Bill
I stated this because:
The TT's 32Mhz 030is quite SLOW compared with the potential Dave Small's
SST board, which can clock 40Mhz reliably, I have even heard he has
tested the SST at 50Mhz with no problems.
Dave is also working on REAL expansion options for the board, like video
and sound. Which will probably have a greater impact on the Mac side, when
he gets 32bit color quick draw going...:).
A TT, a 32bit machine, has a 16Bit VME bus on it. What a disaster. Not only
that, but the VME bus was purposely crippled NOT too allow cpu upgrades,
memory upgrades etc.
Basically its only good for networking and MAYBE enhanced video boards.
If you can wait, your gonna be a winner either way. I am planning on
waiting till summer until Dave gets his SST board out.
If he doesn't have it out by then, I am going to have to get SOME 32BIT
machine option, and it AIN'T going to be a TT. More than likely, a
IIci, Next pizza. I would LIKE to spend it on Dave, but I have waited to
long, already and my coding skills have outgrown an 68000 at 16Mhz.
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Date: 7 Feb 92 16:34:01 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu
!cs.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt!FredGate@arizona.edu (Nick Smith)
Subject: Raytrace to Spectrum Converter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
There is now a GFA Raytrace to Spectrum 512 picture converter
availiable to finally get Raytrace pics into an editable/convertable
format. There is a Shareware demo file available on Compuserve and
GEnie (SUL2SPU.ARC) for a limited version that will let you view
converted pics with any Spectrum viewer/slideshow. The pics are
not fully compatible - you must send in your $5 shareware fee to
get the full version. (The demo will 'bleed' Spectrum's red menu
colors into your pics, annoying enuff to warrant sending in $5)
Write to: Lonny Pursell P.O. Box 145 Pandora, Ohio 45877 USA
* Origin: FlightLine BBS Mpls,MN SDN USRdual 612-544-5118 (1:282/47.0)
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Date: 7 Feb 92 21:56:35 GMT
From: convex!constellation!a.cs.okstate.edu!onstott@uunet.uu.net (ONSTOTT
CHARLES OR)
Subject: Wanted: Atari Mega or STe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am wanting to buy either an Atari 1040Ste or an Atari Mega 2 or Mega 4.
I only need the CPU; I do not need monitors, modems, hard drives, etc.
IF you are willing to let go of just a CPU; please send me email and a
price of your system.
Thanks.
BCnya,
Charles O. Onstott, III
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Charles O. Onstott, III P.O. Box 2386
Undergraduate in Philosophy Stillwater, Ok 74076
Oklahoma State University onstott@a.cs.okstate.edu
"The most abstract system of philosophy is, in its method and purpose,
nothing more than an extremely ingenious combination of natural sounds."
-- Carl G. Jung
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