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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 19 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 491
Today's Topics:
128K Mac ROMs for sale! (2 msgs)
BBSes???
C compiler for sale
CLAB Flames! (Re: Creator/Notator 3.1 Update)
Driver for Deskjet 500 ?
FOR SALE: MFD 1080
HELP! Must Sell! MAC ROMS,40MB HD, HD CONTROLLERS, 286 MB, SYSTEMS
Looking for term program...
MEGA4 for sale
Mega Keyboard on old ST (Was- Re: Question about SST board from GBS
Multi personal computer platform disk standards
Question about SST board from GBS (2 msgs)
Rufus with Matrix M110 possible? (2 msgs)
SLM804 for sale
SPECTRE128 with ROMS and Translator for sale
TeX, which do I get? (Now that I kno
UUencode
Zoo 2.1
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Date: 18 Sep 91 17:28:16 GMT
From:
europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.e
du!chuck@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Rickard)
Subject: 128K Mac ROMs for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have a few sets of 128K Mac ROMs that I am selling for $175
each set. These work great in your Spectre 128/GCR carts!
If interested, please contact me at the address below.
Thanks!
--
Chuck Rickard
(chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
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Date: 18 Sep 91 22:44:58 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!st
11w@arizona.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
Subject: 128K Mac ROMs for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep18.172816.21847@umbc3.umbc.edu> chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu (Chuck
Rickard) writes:
>
> I have a few sets of 128K Mac ROMs that I am selling for $175
> each set. These work great in your Spectre 128/GCR carts!
> If interested, please contact me at the address below.
>
Better yet! I'll sell you a whole Spectre 128 with the ROMs for that
same price!!! Or, a Magic Sac with the ROMs for $75. If you want
the ROMs separate I night do that too... say... $50 each?
Send me mail at the address below...
-dennis
(st11w@menudo.uh.edu)
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Date: 18 Sep 91 18:30:44 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-sta
te.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!cpbuehrer@arizona.edu
Subject: BBSes???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
New Atari ST BBS online as of midnight (EST) last night!
Call (513)294-7704 ... 1200/2400 baud ... board only up from midnight-10am.
(please don't call during non-board hours)
Don't call long-distance either...it's not worth it! 8~)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~it's in Dayton, Ohio
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Also, does anyone have an accurate, up-to-date list of Atari ST BBSes????
Or even if you just know of one or two...please send me info on 'em.
Stuff I'd like to know: baud rates of the BBS...name & phone number (including
area code and country code)...location of bbs (city,
state/province, country)...storage capacity (hard
drive space)...BBS software (FoReM? Express? Michtron?)
advTHANKSance!!!
--Dennis (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum.)
PS: Please e-mail all responses...anyone that wants a list of all the BBSes
I find out about, I'll be more than happy to e-mail it to you in about
a week or so.
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Date: 18 Sep 91 18:12:35 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!baffoni@arizona.e
du (Juxtaposer)
Subject: C compiler for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <3307@cod.NOSC.MIL> healy@cod.NOSC.MIL (Mike Healy) writes:
>But Laser C *does* have a source level debugger :-)
Isn't there supposed to be a good PD source-level debugger floating
around? I think its on A.A. but I have since forgotten it's name (and boy
do I wish I could remember it!).
>
>Mike Healy
>
>healy@cod.nosc.mil
-Mike
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Date: 18 Sep 91 19:53:45 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!bmaraldo@arizona.edu (Commander
Brett Maraldo)
Subject: CLAB Flames! (Re: Creator/Notator 3.1 Update)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have been using Creator since v2.1. I purchasd the 3.0 update
at a cost of $80CDN. The new manual is nice. Great... it would have been
nice to have had it when I was first starting out. The new version is fine
except that I bought it for one particular feature - song chain. This new
feature apparently doesn;t work. CLAB said 'Oh well'. Great. Assholes.
Then v3.1 comes out for $40CDN. Instead of trusting them, I borrowed the
store copy and sure enough the SOFTLINK feature doesn;t work - it won;t
continue to play the sequencer when you switch partitions - useless. So,
for $120CDN you get a new manual, but you already know how to use the sequencer
because you spent weeks with the poor translated original manual, and you get
some new bugs. Damn them.
Brett Maraldo
Plexus Productions
--
-------- Unit 36 Research ---------
"Alien Technology Today"
bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
{uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo
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Date: 17 Sep 91 10:50:37 GMT
From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!hpopd!hpwin052!markb@hplabs.hp.com (Mark
Bridgett)
Subject: Driver for Deskjet 500 ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can anyone let me know where there is a driver for the Deskjet 500?
I have a normal deskjet driver but would like to be able to print
in lanscape.
Thanks,
Mark Bridgett
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Date: 18 Sep 91 16:06:24 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!cronkite.Central.Su
n.COM!spdev!texsun!digi!rgoseweh@arizona.edu (Roy Gosewehr)
Subject: FOR SALE: MFD 1080
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
<<<<< NOTE: Posted for a friend. Please CALL him. Using >>>>>
<<<<< me as a message switch will delay your inquiry. >>>>>
For sale: Diverse Data Products MFD 1080 3.5" (720Kb) & 5.25" (360Kb)
floppy drives in one housing with built in power supply. Good shape.
$110 - Will send via COD and split shipping cost.
Bill Hendricks
Ph. 214-727-5898 (Please call during reasonable hours CDT.)
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Date: 13 Sep 91 13:13:19 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!n
ic!news.cs.brandeis.edu!chaos.cs.brandeis.edu!topgun@arizona.edu (Chandra
Bajpai)
Subject: HELP! Must Sell! MAC ROMS,40MB HD, HD CONTROLLERS, 286 MB, SYSTEMS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
HELP! Must Sell to raise money for credit card debt!
Please make offer, nothing reasonable refused!
Mac 128K ROMS ($175/Make Offer)
Samsung 40MB 3.5in IDE Hard Disk Drive ($150/Make Offer)
- Under 28ms (
- Brand New, Never Used, Fully tested
- Same as Western Digital IDE Hard Disk
Adaptec 2372B RLL Hard Disk/Floppy Disk Controller ($50/Make Offer)
- 8K Cache Memory
- 1:1 Interleave, FAST 800K/sec transfer rates
- Brand New, Never used
Adaptec 2322 ESDI Hard Disk/Floppy Disk Controller ($325/Make Offer)
- Brand New, Never used
OMTI MFM 1:1 Interleave Hard Disk/Floppy Disk Controller ($50/Make Offer)
286-12 Mhz System Boards ($70/Make Offer)
- Brand New, Never used
286-12 Mhz System, (Make Offer)
- VGA, AMI BIOS, 40MB HD, 2 Serial/1 Parallel, 1MB RAM
- Brand New, Never used, Fully tested
If you are interested in any of the above items, please send me email,
with phone number that I can reach you at:
topgun@brandeis.cs.edu (or) topgun@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
Thanks,
Chandra Bajpai
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Date: 18 Sep 91 04:11:06 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jon
h!jhenders@arizona.edu (John Henders)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Sep17.105617.9110@actrix.gen.nz>, Roger Sheppard writes:
>
>From what I have read there is No Real Flash 2.0.
>There is a Ozzy Version that has useses the Name Flash 2.0,
>but has nothing to with Flash at all..
There was a Flash 2.0 under development by Antic just before
they dropped all Atari support. The last news I heard on
GEnie was that Lexicore was helping the programmer negotiate
the rights back from Antic and would distribute it wehen it
was done. That was last spring and there's been no news
since.
I guess either they got to busy with their graphics packages,
which are still not all released, or they didn't reach an agreement
with Antic.
--
John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Vancouver,B.C or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
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Date: 18 Sep 91 21:10:05 GMT
From: crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: MEGA4 for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I want to sell my MEGA. Start making offers
mark
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Date: 18 Sep 91 19:04:08 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-s
tate.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!rlcollins@arizona.edu (Ryan
'Gozar' Collins)
Subject: Mega Keyboard on old ST (Was- Re: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep18.133049.571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Butler) writes:
> Really though, my biggest gripe is the keyboard, I've literally never seen a
> keyboard on a modern computer this poor (it makes a Mac Plus keyboard look
> good). Anyone that has a Mega STe should know that you can purchase the
> original MEGA keyboards from BEST electronics, and they will work fine...
Ok, now for something totally off the subject.
I remember reading about using a mega keyboard with an orginal ST. Since
I'm in the process of moving my ST to a PC case, this would help me
instead of adding a cable to my original keyboard and using it bare.
Does anyone have any information they would kindly impart on doing this.
And what is the going price for a keyboard?
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Ryan 'Gozar' Collins Question for MAC Users: rlcollins@miavx1.BITNET
|||| Power Without What IS the format of a rc1dsanu@miamiu.BITNET
/ || \ The Price!! MAC HFS floppy disk? R.COLLINS1 on GEnie
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Date: 18 Sep 91 17:30:29 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!connection!jerry@arizona.edu (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Multi personal computer platform disk standards
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) writes:
>
>One question I am not sure of is what is the difference between a Mac 1.44, a
>PC 1.44 & a sun 1.44?
>
I don't know about Mac, but PC and Sun 1.44 floppy hardware is the same, or
very similar. The DOS (and OS/2) ports of GNU "tar" can read Sun (and other
UNIX) floppies just fine. File systems, of course, are incompatible. Most
UNIX systems use floppies as if they were small tapes -- no file system at
all (just "tar" directly to the sectors), while DOS systems typically fill
floppies with files.
--
+-------------------+----------------------+---------------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL | POLYGEN CORPORATION | When I was young, I had to walk |
| Drummers do it... | Waltham, MA USA | to school and back every day -- |
| ... In rhythm! | (617) 890-2175 | 20 miles, uphill both ways. |
+-------------------+----------------------+---------------------------------+
| ...! [ princeton mit-eddie bu sunne ] !polygen!jerry |
| jerry@polygen.com |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: 18 Sep 91 17:15:27 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.
umn.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have never been one to say that Atari's machines are any good pieces of
masterful engineering, far from it. Most of you know me enough to write
me flame mail on my wise cracks about Atari in general.
However, the points you raised about the Mega STE's could be said of
any machine Atari makes. MEGA's are not immune with thier incredibly cheesy
power supplies, something I am glad to see Atari fixed with thier switching
power supplies in the MEGA STE's. At least I don't have to worry about adding
a 100+ Megabyte HD and having my power supply literally die from the load.
I don't know about you, but the MEGA keyboards aren't all that great
component wise either, they are designed with the same screwy under
the river through the woods joystick ports as the 1040ST's.
I personally love my keyboard, Dave and it does have a solid feel on
my desk. The smaller key tops enable you to type much quicker, without
hitting a nearby key.
I would also suspect there are some interesting capabilities and products
in the future for the VME bus on Mega STE's also. (Although probably
not available for sale in the US, Europe already has cpu cards, display
cards, etc for people to buy.)
The MEGA STE also comes with a bar none onboard host adapter for its internal
HD which blows a lot of equavalent HD setups into the weeds.
As for the AdSpeed advantage, I don't know yet, a friend of mine has
recently upgraded his MEGA just as you say, internal HD, plus an AdSpeed
upgrade...as soon as we get together I'll let you know.
But all in all, the MEGA STE is a vast upgrade, from the MEGA's.
And considering you get an HD, VME support twice the speed, and a
nice box to fit it all in, its pretty nice. TWO power cables. Thats
it.
You also get three different serial ports, a LAN port. 4096 colors
standard, stereo sound standard, the capability to add a 1.4 megabyte
drive with a simple chip and drive swap, makes the MEGA STE a very
very strong contender for the new 68K flagship machine.
If you look at the price to, for what a MEGA ST/4 use to cost, and what
you can buy a MEGA STE/4 for now, I think its cheaper, but still a bit pricey.
I personally can't see with all this going for you, why you would buy
a MEGA 4 and spend mega bucks, and sacrifice features, and then on top
of that buy Mr. Small's SST board.
If he is counting on that, which I don't think he is, Mr. Small isn't going
to make as much money as I previously stated.
Dave Small is much smarter than that.
--Greg
(Read it and weep people, the only defensive message I will make, it wasn't
even all that defensive really, just a factual comparison. The closest
I will EVER get to supporting Atari.)
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Date: 18 Sep 91 04:16:42 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jon
h!jhenders@arizona.edu (John Henders)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Sep17.205144.25824@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, Gregory Carter writes:
>This would really suck if you couldn't put one of those nice SST
>boards in a MEGA STE...
>
George Richardson, SST designer, said he has started work on
the Mega Ste SST board. It will be a different board, not just an
adapter. GBS was weaiting to see if Mega STe sales warranted the
bother. I guess they do.
--
John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Vancouver,B.C or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
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Date: 17 Sep 91 05:08:10 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!msi.umn.edu!mat
h.fu-berlin.de!unido!mcshh!malihh!pfunk!blackbox@arizona.edu (Michael
Kistenmacher)
Subject: Rufus with Matrix M110 possible?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <91259.125054ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>, ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET writes:
>I can't believe this. Did he try both ways to install it (in front of GDOS or
>behind)? BTW: well writte software should be run on any place in the auto
>folder...
>
As far as I know, the software for the Matrix 19" monochrome monitors
consists of two parts. One of them is GOLIATH, which is a complete
driver with GDOS support. But it is very very slow.
So MATRIX added another driver named DAVI, which is capable to support
some screen accellerators like Turbo ST and Quick ST II. We tried
to install NVDI in several ways, but it broke every time. DAVI is written
by some guys from France and if you know of TURBODOS, you may understand
why this can't work. OK, this is another prejudice like "GFA programs don't
make reliable redraw".
On the ATARI Messe in Duesseldorf we asked at Matrix, if they will deliver
a new version of their drivers to run NVDI, but they said "Monochrome is
out of time" and they probably will not support tose screens in the
future.
What about Arnd Beissner's PROTAR screen driver, does he support all
screen accelerators or is it fast enough without them. I never saw
an article comparing the quickness of these graphic cards.
Bye......Michael
--
/------------------------------------\
| Michael Kistenmacher / blackbox |
| 2000 Hamburg 61 / Schippelsweg 64 |
| West Germany / ++ 49 40 552 37 66 |
\------------------------------------/
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Date: 19 Sep 91 03:39:02 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
lumbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!opal!ripley@arizona.edu (Hans-Ch. Eckert)
Subject: Rufus with Matrix M110 possible?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <A0bbvvtm@pfunk.hanse.de> blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de (Michael
Kistenmacher) writes:
On the ATARI Messe in Duesseldorf we asked at Matrix, if they will deliver
a new version of their drivers to run NVDI, but they said "Monochrome is
out of time" and they probably will not support tose screens in the future.
Then they should realize, that NVDI 2.0 speeds up the colour display as well !
Atari should ask for a license for new TOS-versions (just dreaming :-)
Greetings,
RIPLEY
--
Greetings from RIPLEY | D-1000 Berlin 30 | ripley@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
Hans-Christian Eckert | Regensburger Str. 2 | (ripley@tubopal.UUCP)
Attention: My phone-# is changing 01-Jan-1991 ! s/246292/2186292/
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Date: 18 Sep 91 21:09:36 GMT
From: crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: SLM804 for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I want to sell my laser. Start making offers
mark
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Date: 18 Sep 91 21:15:07 GMT
From: crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: SPECTRE128 with ROMS and Translator for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I want to sell my SPECTRE128 and translator. The translator is not as
nice as the GCR, but it is cheaper than upgrading if you have the 128.
SPECTRE128 w/ Mac ROMS $225
Translator 1 w/cables $ 50
Both $275 (a bit cheaper than the GCR, but not as good,
it's your call)
mark
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Date: 17 Sep 91 05:21:20 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!msi.umn.edu!mat
h.fu-berlin.de!unido!mcshh!malihh!pfunk!blackbox@arizona.edu (Michael
Kistenmacher)
Subject: TeX, which do I get? (Now that I kno
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Sep16.135722.19575@netcom.COM>, Christopher Russell writes:
>
>Here's what I got doing an ls of the TeX directory:
>
>Lindner-TeX:
The perfect one, always reliable with a nice shell. speedy and makes the
best output. It's shareware. Since Metafont is not ported by Stefan Lindner
himself and Lutz Birkhan hasn't ported the version 2.9 to the ST, you have
to run SL's TeX 3.1 combined with old Metafont 1.7
>Lindner-TeX.packed-disks:
>Ridderbusch-TeX:
Since Frank Ridderbusch is inside the GNU-project, this could be a
port using GNU C. I've never heard of this one.
>bammi-TeX:
Should also be ported using GNU.
>cs-tex:
Christoph Strunk has ported full TeX 3.1 and Metafont 2.9 using Laser C
(As I remember). It's a complete set with a small but useful installation-
program. CS has made some arbitrary modifications to the TeX macros, so
that the output may look a bit different from original versions, but it's
handy ( as a 5 MB systems can be) and complete.
>driver:
>passautex:
I know of an Amiga version of TeX named PasTeX, this should be that one.
Bye......Michael
--
/------------------------------------\
| Michael Kistenmacher / blackbox |
| 2000 Hamburg 61 / Schippelsweg 64 |
| West Germany / ++ 49 40 552 37 66 |
\------------------------------------/
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Date: 18 Sep 91 16:15 UT
From: /PN=COLIN.W.HUNT/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TMAILUK/C=GB/@sprint.com
Subject: UUencode
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does nayone know where/how I can get a copy of UUencode. I've managed to
rx a UUencode'd file from atari.archive, but cannot do anything with it?
Everyone I've asked within the UK has never heard of UUencode. To be honest,
nor had I until Monday this week!
Colin
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Date: 19 Sep 91 03:45:58 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
lumbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!opal!ripley@arizona.edu (Hans-Ch. Eckert)
Subject: Zoo 2.1
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <91261.123937ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET> ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET writes:
[Th.Quester] not for zoo. Write to Gereon Steffens (gs@k2.maus.de), he did
a fine TC port of Zoo 2.1 (including ARGV), and most people I know now
use HIS version.
What's wrong about the version that had been ported to comp.binaries.atari.st ?
Is there any difference (from the user's POV) between Gereon's and the
Usenet version ?
Greetings,
RIPLEY
--
Greetings from RIPLEY | D-1000 Berlin 30 | ripley@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
Hans-Christian Eckert | Regensburger Str. 2 | (ripley@tubopal.UUCP)
Attention: My phone-# is changing 01-Jan-1991 ! s/246292/2186292/
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