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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 589
Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 11 Nov 91 Volume 91 : Issue 589
Today's Topics:
Atari Pen-based Computer
Bash 1.10 for MiNT 0.9
Gem View 1.1
Help (2 msgs)
MiNT 0.9 is now available
Misc Questions
New RCC Rules = Higher Telecomm Costs
Postscript from degas?
SCSI info needed
SPACOLA?
stupid SX212 modem question (2 msgs)
VIDEO TOASTER (2 msgs)
WD1772 IC (3 msgs)
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Date: 9 Nov 91 17:38:16 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice.hobby.nl!harold@uunet.uu.net (Harold van
Aalderen)
Subject: Atari Pen-based Computer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <688823004.23043@minster.york.ac.uk>, jph@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Does anyone know any details regarding the forthcoming ST pen-based computer
>(ST Pad or Style ?) ?
Be patient, Atari haven't announced yet when it will come available.
(meaning some time ???? + X years)
--
Harold van Aalderen | harold@alice.hobby.nl
| {...!mcsun}!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice!harold
alice: She's not the neighbour girl nor is she living in wonderland
Who it is? For me to know for you to guess.
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Date: 11 Nov 91 10:24:59 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!warwick!nott-cs!dpg@uunet.uu.net (Dave Gymer)
Subject: Bash 1.10 for MiNT 0.9
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Just posted to atari.archive is Bash 1.10, in both source and binary forms.
Also source for the GNU glob and readline libraries; these are needed to
compile Bash. You will need MiNT 0.9 to use this.
The new Bash seems (at the time of posting) to have cured the bug which was
causing Bash and ksh to get stopped from time to time; I haven't used it much
yet though, and I said the same thing when I first posted 1.05...
It also only really works on Minix partitions; MiNT 0.9 has good support for
these, and I have changed over almost completely (I don't have Minix).
Bug reports, suggestions and amusing poetry to me.
--
/* 'Grave' Dave Gymer --------- Internet: dpg@Cs.Nott.AC.UK *\
+* 42 St Marys Park, Louth, Lincolnshire, LN11 0EF, England *+
+* Olivier's Law: "Experience is something you don't get *+
\*-------------------------- until just after you need it." */
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Date: 11 Nov 91 11:12:03 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!exunido!haacke@uunet.uu.net (Ralf Haacke)
Subject: Gem View 1.1
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I post this document for Dieter Fiebelkorn
(fiebelko@petra.informatik.uni-dortmund.de)
Please, send all answers to him!
===============================================================================
Actually i am writing the german documentation, i hope to finish it this
week. After that i will translate it into english, this bad english version
will corrected by an english e-mail-penfriend.
Here the CHANGES since GemView 1.0.9:
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Marl, Oct 12. 1991
Neue Features:
""""""""""""""
- Complett documentation (german and english).
- Runs as program (PRG, GTP) or as accessory (ACC).
- Supports the follows picture formats:
-NEW-> "GEM-View images [ *.GVW ]" (internal format)
"GIF Images [ *.GIF ]"
"Sun Rasterfiles [ *.SUN ]"
"STAD Images [ *.PAC ]"
-new-> "IFF Imagefiles [ *.IFF ]"
-NEW-> "MS-Windows Bitmap ( *.BMP, *.RLE )"
-NEW-> "OS/2 Bitmap ( *.BMP )"
-new-> "GEM-(X)Image Files ( *.IMG )"
"GEM-Metafiles (Vector) ( *.GEM )"
"Neochrome Rasterfiles ( *.NEO )"
"Art-Director Rasterfiles ( *.ART )"
"Degas Images ( *.P[IC][123] )"
"Tiny-Compressed Images ( *.TN[123Y] )"
"Doodle Monochrome Rasters ( *.DOO [640x...] )"
"Spectrum 512 Images ( *.SPU, *.SPC )"
"X Bitmap-File [ *.XBM ]"
Will explains in the documantation.
- New functions:
o Identify pictures without loading the picture.
o You can iconify pictures; this meens the picture will saved into
a special format, which is quick in load. This format can reload
any time.
o The LOG-Window contains Icons for 'Load', 'Identify' pictures,
'Open' iconified pictures and to call dialog boxes to preset
some values.
o Fullscreen: Display a picture on the full screen without any
gem-window.
o You can quick zoom a picture two or four times.
o You can quick shrink picture (1/2, 1/4 and 1/8).
o Quick zoom/shrink don't use dynamic memory, (which will not free).
- Growing and shrinking the part of the picture around the position
of the cursor.
- Clip images in all directions (also from down-right to up-left).
- GEMVIEW.PRG have a menuline, you can now use accessories and
- it supports the AV-protocoll (AV_SENDKEY + AV_ACCWINDOPEN +
AV_ACCWINDCLOSED).
- GEMVIEW.ACC comunicate with the main application by AV-protocoll.
(b.e. Gemini).
- Window Cycle (~W) will supported and other windows (AV_ACCWINDOPEN)
will also cycled.
- The ICONS/MENU inside the windows can activate, if the window is
in the background and you can see a part of the ICONS/MENU.
Press the right mouse-button and select the ICONS/MENU with the
left one. The MENU is then a MAC-menu (you choose an entry if you
unpress the left mouse-button).
- Full keyboard support.
- The picture-window contains a menu with full keyboard support.
- Extended INF file with presetting values.
- Faster identify, which picture-format it is.
- Use less dynamic memory as before.
- Some correction.
Version 1.2 (Future):
"""""""""""""""""""""
- Load and Save TIFF (5.0) pictures.
- Supporting MultiGEM.
- Support new picture-formats.
- Faster algorithms for loading.
- Display more than one picture at time.
- Some Tools to convert pictures and printing (can call directly from
GEMVIEW).
- Identify-, Loading-, (Redraw-) and Saving-routines in external
Modules to write special modules by yourself.
- Dialog to choose picture-formats, each fomat will have a separate
Path.
=============================================================================
You can get GEM-View from:
""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Dieter Fiebelkorn
Grner Weg 29a
4370 Marl 1 (Germany)
BLZ: 426 610 08
Ktn: 607 984 800
Send a formated Disk, two CRI's (Coupon-Reponse-International),
your address and a message that you want to get GEMVIEW.
GEMVIEW 1.1 is SHAREWARE. Send $20 (US-Dollar) to me if you use GEMVIEW.
Or send $25, than you will get all versions up to version 1.2.
------------------------------
Date: 12 Nov 91 03:25:24 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!kc@arizo
na.edu (Stuart Price)
Subject: Help
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
If any people out there ring an Atari BBS that has Fido running on it
please reply to this message...
If anyone out there can get Binkley please upload it to the Binary ssection...
or contact me... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this as fast as possible..
There must be someone out there..
Anyone know A guy called Bryan Hall....
Stuart Price
Stuart_Price@kcbbs.gen.nz <---Usenet Address
Fido address Stuart Price 3:772/90
Auckland, New Zealand.
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Date: 11 Nov 91 11:20:01 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Help
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <12324.31591617@kcbbs.gen.nz> Stuart_Price@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart
Price) writes:
> If any people out there ring an Atari BBS that has Fido running on it
> please reply to this message...
>
> If anyone out there can get Binkley please upload it to the Binary ssection...
>
> or contact me... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this as fast as possible..
>
> There must be someone out there..
> Anyone know A guy called Bryan Hall....
>
> Stuart Price
> Stuart_Price@kcbbs.gen.nz <---Usenet Address
> Fido address Stuart Price 3:772/90
> Auckland, New Zealand.
>
Contact Jon Clarke at Status BBS, they should have all that stuff..
or Jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
------------------------------
Date: 11 Nov 91 10:34:46 GMT
From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!ghiggins!gjh@hplabs.hp.com (Graham Higgins)
Subject: MiNT 0.9 is now available
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> Has anyone else had trouble with the MiNT port of KSH unter MiNT 0.9?
Yes, I have experienced the same problems.
> and if ggascoigne (sp?) intends to upgrade KSH or release his source
> code.
ggascoigne (sp correct) does intend to upgrade ksh, as soon as he gets his
hands on Mint v09 and the libs. I have offered to supply both locally (U.K.).
I too have switched to bash for the time being.
--
Graham Higgins
<< My opinions above are exactly that: my own, and opinions. >>
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Date: 10 Nov 91 17:34:19 GMT
From: ogicse!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!atilghma@uunet.uu.net (Adam Tilghman)
Subject: Misc Questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <3377@cod.NOSC.MIL> healy@cod.NOSC.MIL (Mike Healy) writes:
>
>I have a couple of questions.
>
>1) How can I determine how much memory I have left when I am running a
> program? I would prefer to examine some globals, not malloc
> until malloc fails and then free it back again.
>
freemem = Malloc(-1L)
Note that this returns the size of the largest block, so if your
memory is fragmented, it will return less than what you'd expect.
>
>Mike Healy
>
>healy@cod.nosc.mil
--
==== Adam G. Tilghman - atilghma@sdcc13.ucsd.edu - (619)558-2141 ====
== "Martha, fetch my rifle - thar's another UCSD ECE undergrad!" ==
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Date: 11 Nov 91 05:14:10 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: New RCC Rules = Higher Telecomm Costs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <689407425.12@therip.FidoNet.Org>, Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org
(Rod Fulk) writes:
|> Thats nothing... In the next day or two we will be finding out if Michigan
|> Bell will be allowed to charge for local calls placed..
|> Apparently they want to charge local calls as if they were LD calls.
|> Although at a much lower rate...
|> There goes the neighborhood..
|> I am sure it will effect alot of bbs users in grand rapids for sure....
|> (As in many areas in michigan..)
|>
|> Boy, the Govt's sure must like the bell companies or something..
Aren't under-regulated monopolies lovely? Michigan Bell, like Illinois Bell, is
owned
by Ameritech. Illinois Bell did the per call charge first in Chicago. Now it
is
implemented all over Illinois. My local charges have basically doubled.
Unlimited
local calls used to be $5.50/mo. The charges are $0.062 per call (untimed) for
calls during the day. This drops to $0.03 per call at night. It sucks. They
have
the nerve to print: "Volume discount saved you $0.22 this month\n" on my
bill....
Bill
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Date: 11 Nov 91 09:44:31 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!warwick!nott-cs!unicorn!cczcole@uunet.uu.net (Marlon Cole)
Subject: Postscript from degas?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Back in June csw93@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Adam Turnbull) posted a
message on the same subject and was advised by ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek)
to:
Get degas2ps from irisa.irisa.fr
I saved this message then as it looked to me like something I'd be interested
in at some point in the future - that time has now arrived - so I duly
toddled off to search irisa, but couldn't find anything of that name there.
Does anyone know whether such a program currently exists on an archive
somewhere, and if so where can it be found (and does it work on all degas
formats?).
Many, many thanks in advance.
Marlon Cole
Systems Programmer
Cripps Computing Centre
University of Nottingham
Nottingham
ENGLAND
NG7 2RD
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Date: 11 Nov 91 04:48:20 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!caen!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!pi!boyd@arizo
na.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: SCSI info needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov10.235248.28525@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
acleasby@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew Cleasby) writes:
>
>The info I need is: what is a SCSI terminator? Is it a jumper? What
>will happen if I try to use the drive without one?
The full name is "terminating resistor pack". All the ones I have seen look
like:
+-------------------+
| |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| | | | | | | | | | |
That is, a little flat rectangular component about 1" long, with either one
or two rows of vertical pins on the bottom. The component usually mates to
a set of one or two in-line little pinholes. The component is removable.
I have had two terminated drives work on my system, but I have never tried
a single non-terminated one.
The idea here is to have the last drive on the cable (not necesarily the
last SCSI id'ed drive) terminated, with all others non-terminated. In addition
to the terminator, there are also usually jumpers that select the SCSI ID,
and perhaps select a few drive options, like parity. If you have only one
drive, it should be terminated.
>
>If I do need one, where am I likely to find one? (ie Electronics stores)
>
I think you would be best off getting the manual for your drive. They are
usually very short (like one page explaining the jumpers and giving the
terminator pack number). You could probably do this by dialing 1-800-555-1212
and asking for the number of the company who made the drive. I have done this
several times in the past, and each time the company was more than happy to
mail me a xerox of the manual. Alternately, you could call one of the
drive specialists in Computer Shopper, and ask what all the stuff means.
Either way, you should probably get this info before you try to hook it to
your ST.
By the way, if it is a Seagate device, I have a listing of jumper configurations
for most of them. Feel free to email if this will help.
--
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Mickey R. Boyd | "Come to your senses professor
FSU Computer Science | Fernberg. You did not transcend
Technical Support Group | the time-space continuum. You
email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | got drunk in a topless bar."
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
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Date: 10 Nov 91 08:53:46 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!fub!einoed!dobag.in-berlin.de!obh.in-berlin.de!keep!woju@uune
t.uu.net (Wolfgang Jung)
Subject: SPACOLA?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Nov8.082527.26083@uni-paderborn.de>, Marc Gumbold writes:
>a german bbs net. Maybe somebody reading this group, being active in the
>MAUS net as well, could forward your mail?
If you know the machine name you should get a mail to him, via
*.maus.de which should at least reach the site.
------------------------------
Date: 12 Nov 91 03:21:45 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!kc@arizona.ed
u (Stuart Price)
Subject: stupid SX212 modem question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Try Using
AT S0=x
This should set it to answer after X rings.
------------------------------
Date: 11 Nov 91 04:51:11 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen
!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!pi!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: stupid SX212 modem question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <0-#H#!K@irie.ais.org>, plucky@ais.org (Chris Adamson) writes:
>
> I've lost the manual for my Atari SX212 (Hayes-compatible), so
>could someone e-mail me the command used to set the modem to auto-answer?
>I thought it was "ATAA"... wrong!
>
You can type "ATA" when the phone is ringing, but this will not work before
the call. The easiest way to do this is to type "ATS0=1", then "AT&W" to
save the configuration (that is a zero in ats0=1, by the way). This
tells the modem to answer on the first ring (S0=2 would be the second, etc).
If it is zero, the modem does not answer at all.
This is standard hayes, so I assume it will work on your modem.
--
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Mickey R. Boyd | "Come to your senses professor
FSU Computer Science | Fernberg. You did not transcend
Technical Support Group | the time-space continuum. You
email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | got drunk in a topless bar."
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1991 23:00:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Z_RYMALJL@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Larry Rymal)
Subject: VIDEO TOASTER
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Mark Choi writes:
>Can an ST version be all that far behind? Or a mac version, for that matter?
Can't answer for the ST, but the Mac version has been out for some
time.
Note that the Toaster requires not only suitable interfacing but a
slightly modified Amiga 2000 as the brain gluing everything together. In effect,
the Toaster is using the Mac and the PC as dumb terminals allowing those two
platforms normal access to their user interface and storage media.
Larry Rymal <Z_RYMALJL@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU> |>Mac & ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
------------------------------
Date: 11 Nov 91 04:44:34 GMT
From: taco!garfield.catt.ncsu.edu!kdarling@mcnc.org (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Video Toaster
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
> [....]
> It is now official. Newtek has announced realease of the PC MS-DOS
>version of the Video Toaster, for IBM PC's and compatibles. Can an ST
>version be all that far behind? Or a mac version, for that matter? Once
Umm. I believe the PC version is the same as the current Mac version...
it's a stock Toaster card in a relabeled (NewTek) Amiga 2000 computer.
The PC/Mac connects via a serial port (or similar) for remote control.
There's no doubt that a PC/Mac Toaster-like-effects card can be done
(and I'm sure some are coming), but the NewTek Toaster itself is still
based around an Amiga at this time.
regards - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
------------------------------
Date: 11 Nov 91 05:03:42 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!yfn
.ysu.edu!ysub!psuvm!cunyvm!ndsuvm1!mtus5!jjmcwill@arizona.edu (Jeff McWilliams)
Subject: WD1772 IC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov10.003913.384@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) says:
>
>In a previous article, jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk) says:
>
>>
>>The floppy disk controller IC died in my trusty ST yesterday, so I am in
>>desperate need of a replacement WD1772 IC. If anyone knows where I can
>>obtain one, please let me know. This is urgent as my computer is crippled
>>without it. Thanks alot!
>>
>>Jeff Mayzurk
>>jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu
>>
>
>Is there any way this chip could be "upgraded" to handle high density
>disk drives?
>
>I've seen high density mods for the ST, but there was always a catch...
>--
> _______ ________ ________ "Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.)
> / ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).(
> / ___/ / /____ / __ / gpinzone@george.poly.edu ( v )
>/______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/
From what I heard the best the 1772 can do is 720K or whatever can
be obtained from twister format etc. 1.44m upgrades will by necessity
include a different Floppy Controller.
Jeff McWilliams
JJMCWILL@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU
GEnie: J.MCWILLIAM3
"Atari 8-bit die hards never run out of power"
------------------------------
Date: 11 Nov 91 11:24:12 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: WD1772 IC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <91315.000342JJMCWILL@MTUS5.BITNET> Jeff McWilliams
<JJMCWILL@MTUS5.BITNET> writes:
>
> In article <1991Nov10.003913.384@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
> al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) says:
> >
> >In a previous article, jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk) says:
> >
> >>
> >>The floppy disk controller IC died in my trusty ST yesterday, so I am in
> >>desperate need of a replacement WD1772 IC. If anyone knows where I can
> >>obtain one, please let me know. This is urgent as my computer is crippled
> >>without it. Thanks alot!
> >>
> >>Jeff Mayzurk
> >>jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu
> >>
> >
> >Is there any way this chip could be "upgraded" to handle high density
> >disk drives?
> >
> >I've seen high density mods for the ST, but there was always a catch...
> >--
> > _______ ________ ________ "Small nose, loose girls, no nipples,
(.|.)
> > / ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).(
> > / ___/ / /____ / __ / gpinzone@george.poly.edu ( v
)
> >/______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/
> From what I heard the best the 1772 can do is 720K or whatever can
> be obtained from twister format etc. 1.44m upgrades will by necessity
> include a different Floppy Controller.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeff McWilliams
> JJMCWILL@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU
> GEnie: J.MCWILLIAM3
> "Atari 8-bit die hards never run out of power"
By the way , you should be able to get a WD1772 from Best Electronics ..USA
Phone No. is 408-243-6950
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
------------------------------
Date: 11 Nov 91 12:01:02 GMT
From: bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Jerker
Nilsson)
Subject: WD1772 IC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Jeff McWilliams wrote:
>From what I heard the best the 1772 can do is 720K or whatever can
>be obtained from twister format etc. 1.44m upgrades will by necessity
>include a different Floppy Controller.
>
Almost true. The WD1772 can SOMETIMES be cooled (eg using a Peltier-device)
and work on 16MHz instead of 8MHz. Then it can be used for 1.44 Meg. I _do_not_
recommend the method.
--
- Jerker Nilsson, email d91jn@efd.lth.se -
---- My opinion may change, but not the fact that I am right! ----
Insert own toughts here. The above is mine, and only mine!
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