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Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 4 Feb 92 Volume 92 : Issue 66
Today's Topics:
".img" file conversions
Anti-flamewar proposal.
Atari blitter question (was Re: Amiga geeks, read this)
Atari Hardware and Software + printers for sale
Atari is advertising?!?!!!!!
ATSpeed Questions
Did anyone write a good read() for Mint (or TOS)?
Mint 0.92 problems
pcditto software on a TT?
PD Fortran compiler?
Postscript on Atari's in general
SM124 Monitor Problem
STe and Mark Williams C
System 7 under 4 megabytes (something for the future...)
Thomas Quester's e-mail address
Uniterm manual
VI editor for Atari ST needed
WANTED: Protracker d'Esion XLI
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Date: 4 Feb 92 05:13:09 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.a
u!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison)
Subject: ".img" file conversions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1992Feb3.155225.7387@sae.com> malay@sae.com (Bob Malay) writes:
>There are a number of clipart files on a.a that are in ".img" format. How
>do I convert them so that they can be used by EasyDraw (requires ".gem"
>format??
Probably not really possible. .GEM files are metafiles containing scalable
drawing primitives, while .IMG files are raster image files. Conversion the
other way (.GEM to .IMG) should be possible with many drawing programs,
or simply but taking a SnapShot of the easydraw screen.
Warwick
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Date: 3 Feb 92 09:15:12 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!pbinfo!uni-paderborn.de!hubi@uunet.uu.net (Who am i ?)
Subject: Anti-flamewar proposal.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <53802@cup.portal.com>, Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas
Daugustine) writes:
|>
|> I read in this thread about how holding the right mouse button down
|> will allow you to launch a program whos folder is not on top. Neat,
|> but one minor complaint... This is effectivly the same thing as
|> doing under MS-DOS:
|>
|> C:/> a:/foo
|>
|> In other words, if foo needs a startup config file, which probably
|> lives on a: with foo.[exe|com], it wont find it... I did this
|> with UniTerm. I had something in A: and UniTerm in B: which was
|> on the bottom folder, but it couldnt find uniterm.set... OH well
|>
|> Billy D'Augustine
|> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
me: First I must say that's ( all above) not a problem of TOS
its a problem of these programs, which don't konw the
drive/path which there started from (should be no problem
to find out this 10 lines C I think).
And now to the real point this topic was made for:
What I hate about my ST system (1040 but build into a tower by myself)
- it is tooooooooooooooooooooo slow
(all is to slow screen drawing(even with NVDI), CPU , ...)
- no chance to get things in, except by soldering all over
the big board, a real bus would have been better, BUT
only with strict defines from Atari, because we don't need
those problems like on PC-side ;->
- the keyboard and the mouse (i have an orig. ibm keyboard now
and a logitech mouse now)
What I like
- the good programs runnig on it (Calamus,Script, ..., Turbo C, ...)
- SM124 (a bit small i know)
- it's doing its job quite well, for all I need it
- enough ports from th beginnig (except the bus)
Adio
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// // //__// //_// // ... 05251 / 284121
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Date: 4 Feb 92 07:27:31 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs
.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.u
su.edu!sl7js@arizona.edu (James Diffendaffer)
Subject: Atari blitter question (was Re: Amiga geeks, read this)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan29.034348.12664@jsp.umontreal.ca>, u1398@JSP.UMontreal.CA
(Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:
> Start off with the $349 Atari STE 512K. (Current price, Toad computers)
> I find this fair, as most people have 8MHZ machines. An STE with blitter
> chip, stereo 50Khz sound, Midi ports, SIMM, Instant boot, 640x400 mono.
I have a question about the ST blitter chip. Is it implemented in a dual
buss architecture or is it single buss?
IE. Can the cpu continue to run code from a secound buss while the blitter
draws, without waiting or alternating access to the buss with the blitter?
James Diffendaffer
sl7js@cc.usu.edu
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Date: 4 Feb 92 06:00:10 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.claremont.edu!jarthur.claremont.edu!dcrevier@
arizona.edu (Dan Crevier)
Subject: Atari Hardware and Software + printers for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Atari items for sale:
Note: Prices are open to bargining
Willing to make deals on packages
Hardware:
520 ST (upgraded to 1 meg) + Atari SC1224 color monitor + Double
Sided Disk Drive: $350
1040 ST + Atari SM124 Monochrome monitor + PC Ditto II (IBM emulator)
installed + tweety board (stereo sound) installed + internal drive:$500
(If you want the 520 with the mono monitor, or the 1040 with the color
monitor, we can make a deal)
NEC P2200 - Epson LQ compatible 24 pin printer: $200
Panasonic KX-P1091 - Epson compatible 9 pin printer: $100
Practical Solutions cordless mouse: $50
Logikhron clock card: $15
Navarone video digitizer: $25
Productivity Software:
(With documentation)
Degas - paint program $5
Turbo ST - software accelerator $7
STOS - game writing language $20
Pagestream 1.8- Desktop publishing $20
Stalker/Steno 2.06- terminal program/editor $10
Shadow - background file transfers $5
Word Perfect - word processing $25
Ultrascript - prints postscript to any printer $50
Ultrascript fonts - more fonts for Ultrascript $35
Turbojet - speeds up GDOS printing to HP Deskjet and Laserjet $5
Thunder - spelling checker - works as you type $7
VIP Professional - Lotus 123 compatible spreadsheet $15
G+Plus - fast GDOS replacement $7
Timeworks Desktop Publisher - GDOS based desktop publisher $10
Cornerman 2.1 - a set of useful desk accessories $5
EasyDraw Stuff (with documentation):
EasyDraw 3.01 $15
Easy-tools 3.0 $10
EasyDraw supercharger $10
EasyDraw 24 pin printer drivers $5
EasyDraw HP Laserjet Plus printer drivers $5
OSpooler $7
(Without Documentation)
MiDupe - Disk duplication software $5
TimeLink $5
Universal Item Selector II - replacement for item selector $5
Zoomracks - hypercard like application $5
Games:
(With Documentation)
Championship Wrestling $7
Dr Doom's Revenge $7
Mean 18 Ultimate Golf $7
Winter Games $7
Flight Simulator II $10
Arkanoid II $10
Midimaze $10
Phantasie $10
Phantasie III $10
Heroes of the Lance $10
Dungeon Master $10
Emmanuelle $10
Gauntlet II $10
The Hunt for Red October $10
Chaos Strikes Back $10
Populus the Promised Land (requires Populus) $7
Star Glider $10
Autoduel $10
(Without Documentation)
Dark Castle $7
King's Quest III $7
War in Middle Earth $10
Gauntlet $5
Barbarian $5
Bard's Tale $5
The Pawn $5
Harrier Strike Mission $5
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Date: 3 Feb 92 00:28:28 GMT
From: island!moon!cyberden!phbill@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Atari is advertising?!?!!!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Edito, ergo sum (I eat, therefore I am)
Atari!? Advertising!?!?! For what? ? Lynx? Port?
gotta go! call!
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Date: 4 Feb 92 03:33:39 GMT
From: psinntp!newstand.syr.edu!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@uunet.uu.net (Gerald
Greenberg)
Subject: ATSpeed Questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anybody out there have experience in either of the
following two areas?
1. Using Word Perfect language modules with ATSpeed?
I'm interested in how the fonts might work, and how
they interact with the speller, hyphenation, etc.
2. Using ATSpeed to control a remote PC using
software like PCAnywhere.
I'm interested in finding out if either of these things work
with ATSpeed...and if so, how to go about using them. Send
replies to the net or to me directly.
Thanks very much.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
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Date: 3 Feb 92 15:22:24 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!news.netmbx.de!unido!olymp!sfb256!volker@uunet.uu.net (
Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: Did anyone write a good read() for Mint (or TOS)?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <MUTS.92Jan28220220@fysaq.fys.ruu.nl> muts@fysap.fys.ruu.nl (Peter
Mutsaers) writes:
>>Also, I would like that ALT-combinations do not return '0', but the
>>ascii code, with the 8th bit set. This would make porting of unix
>>editors/shells with full keyboard use much easier. (I hate to resort
>>to GEM and do not even start it up at a reboot).
This would also make using the full 8-bit character set a real pain. You
couldn't even enter ij any longer! :-)
Please think of all the international users even if it takes more work.
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Date: 4 Feb 92 10:11:32 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!math.fu-berlin
.de!news.netmbx.de!unido!urmel!oli@arizona.edu (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Mint 0.92 problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:
>I don't fully understand this, do you mean that pseudo ttys are in
>\pipe rather than \dev, and how should the names look like?
>Well, NVDI changes the font of exactly this under TOS.
Now I understood, and it works fine. Mw2 uses pty.000, pty.001 etc..
If I boot w/o CON=U:/dev/fasttext, I even get the NVDI fonts in tcsh.
Rebooting is a lot easier with this setting, too.
Oliver
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Date: 4 Feb 92 08:23:29 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!heifetz!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!hb
.maus.de!un.maus.de!Martin_Koehling@arizona.edu (Martin Koehling)
Subject: pcditto software on a TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <H.RTW7W9wCwPA@marsu.tynet.sub.org>
wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes:
>In <1992Jan27.043129.2193@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, William Magro writes:
>> Has anyone tried the PCDitto software emulator on a TT? If so, does
>> it work or no? If it does work, I wonder if the speed would be good
>> enough to make it actually useful, unlike its speed on a regular ST.
>>
>> Let me know if you know....
>
>You must be joking. The TT is so different in its hardware and chipset
>compared to an ordinary ST, that a soft emulator had to be totally
>rewritten. If I started counting all applications which don't run on the
>TT, I would never dare to try PC Ditto.
Sorry, I think you're mistaken...
PC-ditto is nothing but an _interpreter_!
There is really no big difference between, say, a BASIC interpreter and
interpreter for 8086 machine language.
Look:
- There is no need to directly write to hardware registers for
floppy I/O (use the BIOS instead).
- There is no need to directly write to the screen or directly
access the keyboard hardware (use the BIOS conio functions instead).
(It _could_ work even in the new screen modes!)
- There is no need at all to fiddle around with trap or interrupt
vectors.
- There is no need at all to employ timing loops dependant on processor
speed.
There no real reason why PC-ditto shouldn't work on a TT!
If PC-ditto doesn't run on an TT (and it looks that way), the reason
is propably sloppy (or too "clever") programming and "not following the
rules"!
Bye,
Martin [Martin_Koehling @ un.maus.de]
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Date: 4 Feb 92 02:55:50 GMT
From: agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slqn0@ames.arpa (Hoyt J.
Heaton)
Subject: PD Fortran compiler?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone out there know of a PD fortran compiler, or have a commercial
version they'd be willing to part with?
Thanks in advance.
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Date: 4 Feb 92 10:27:57 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Postscript on Atari's in general
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <697134861.15151@minster.york.ac.uk> mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk (Mathew
Lodge) writes:
> In article <bart.696867466@dutncp8> bart@dutncp8.tn.tudelft.nl (Bart Schipper)
writes:
> >I wonder why why why you need an interceptor to convert Calamus
> >output for 300dpi laserprinters to a postscript file, since the creators
> >of Calamus provide drivers for every printer you can think of.
> >But yes, if you really want to go back to oldfashioned postscript,
> >for Calamus SL, there is a module to convert a Calamus document to EPS.
> >I suggest you ask DMC for it.
> >Bart.
>
> It is this sort of arrogance that annoys me.
>
> People want to use Calamus in the real world. This means that we may want to
> send our output to printers at work / school or use a typesetter at a
> bureau.
>
> Calamus' page description language may be superior to PostScript, but
> everyone else actually _uses_ PostScript.
>
> For this reason, we need proper PostScript on a disk. Telling us that
> Calamus direct output is better is no good.
> | Mathew Lodge | "What do they call you, boy?" "Kate." "Isn't |
> | mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk | that a bit of a girl's name?" "... it's |
> | Summer: lodge%alsys@uknet | short for 'Bob'" -- Blackadder II |
If you bye Outline Art, you get a PostScript converter, but I don't
know if its sold seperatly, so go read some magazines then you will
know all about these things, or Z-Net or ST-Report..
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Date: 3 Feb 92 15:29:29 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!news.netmbx.de!unido!olymp!sfb256!volker@uunet.uu.net (
Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: SM124 Monitor Problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan31.061223.4003@nmt.edu> ehobbs@nmt.edu (Eric Hobbs) writes:
>In article <1992Jan30.184746.9931@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
au036@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Burgess) writes:
>>I am having a problem with a SM124 (Goldstar) monitor. When the screen is
>>mostly black, the white portions of the screen are very dim, and as more
>>white is displayed the white return to normal brightness.
>
>I have this problem also. I've posted questions about it a long
>time ago, and I'm not sure if I ever got a response.
A long time ago I posted a fix to this problem. I'm not sure where I posted,
I think it appeared in the Atari16 digests ...
Anyway, I had this same problem and took the (new) monitor to my dealer. The
service person found the problem and fixed it. He also gave me a copy of the
relevant part of the monitor schematics. You have to solder in a resistor
somewhere.
I'll see if I can dig it up and post the info here. If I forget, keep on
nagging until I do! :-)
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Date: 4 Feb 92 08:48:27 GMT
From: mcsun!cernvax!cernvax.cern.ch@uunet.uu.net (roger hoh)
Subject: STe and Mark Williams C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Feb3.213409.26908@unlinfo.unl.edu>
witts@hoss.unl.edu (Rick Wittstruck) writes:
-
- I'm considering the purchase of an Atari STE so that I can easily
-upgrade to 4 megs of ram, plus blitter stuff etc, but I am worried about
-my Mark Williams C package. I've heard that MWC will not work on TOS
-versions 1.04 and above. Is this true? Has anyone tried to use MWC from
-hard disk with an STE? It's crucial that I find out before making my
-purchase, so please give any information if you can!
-Any comments much appreciated!
-
- thanks,
-
- rick wittstruck
- witts@hoss.unl.edu
-
Hi Rick,
I've MWC release 3.0 running on a Mega STE/4. The only problem I had was
with RDY (the ramdisk). I think there's a special version of it at a.a.
(as far as I can remember). But I work directly with the Hard-disk: it's
fast enough for me.
Hope this helps
Roger hohr@cernvax.cern.ch
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 92 11:37:26 WET
From: Ian C McCall <csc345@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: System 7 under 4 megabytes (something for the future...)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Someone recently said that when you're running System 7, 4 megs is
really going to suck. This isn't true - I run a genuine Mac LC under
System 7 with 4 megabytes, and whilst I would -like- some more it's not
really necessary. The only reason I'd like some more is so I can
multitask Aldus Freehand, Pagemaker 4, and MacWrite II at the same time
- at the moment I'm exactly 300k short to do that. :-(
But for just about all of my daily usage, four megs is fine. Whoever
said it would suck might be getting confused with System 7 under -2-
megs. Now that really would be a waste of time...
Cheers,
Ian
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Date: 3 Feb 92 04:43:16 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!news.netmbx.de!unido!mcshh!malihh.hanse.de!pfunk.hanse.de!bla
ckbox@uunet.uu.net (Michael Kistenmacher)
Subject: Thomas Quester's e-mail address
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <10463@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Halls DA writes:
>
>Anyway, I would still like Thomas Quester's e-mail address so I can
>
Try something like Thomas_Quester@hh2.maus.de or Thomas_Quester@hh.maus.de
I think, his account at mcshh has been cancelled.
Bye....Michael
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Date: 4 Feb 92 08:21:14 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!irisa!claire!decouty@uunet.uu.net (Bertrand Decouty, AB112,
[99 84] 73 46, Atelier)
Subject: Uniterm manual
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article 8931@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM, herborth@pinot (Chris Herborth) writes:
>In article <8463@tamsun.tamu.edu> n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (MarkLehmann) writes:
>
>}Since the Uniterm manual is in LaTeX, it should first be run through the
>}LaTeX macros for TeX to convert it to a dvi format. After this, the
>}dvi file should be converted to postscript with the "dvips" program available
>}on the atari archive. Then simply print the post script file.
>
>It would be _really_ nice if someone would do this, and upload the results
>to atari.archive...
>
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>Information Products Co-Op =(___)=
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I have done it. Available on irisa.irisa.fr, cd Atari_st/uniterm, get manual.ps
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Date: 4 Feb 92 10:08:02 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!math.fu-berlin
.de!news.netmbx.de!unido!urmel!oli@arizona.edu (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: VI editor for Atari ST needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes:
> steve
> elvis
>I have used steve and it is a fair port of vi. People have said "elvis"
>is better, but I haven't tried it.
Last time I tried them, stevie didn't support useful ed-commands. Elvis was
much better, but you could set it up to use either umlaut characters or
[]{}\@, not both.
Oliver
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Date: 31 Jan 92 22:13:44 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!utorvm!ryerson!eeng6801@ar
izona.edu (THE WALKING SPIRIT)
Subject: WANTED: Protracker d'Esion XLI
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The following appeared on ST MAGAZINE No 57, JANVIER 92:
" Le Protracker est un soundtracker tres complet pour un freeware..."
Has anybody seen this protracker ? The screen shots look really nice
and can load PACKed files (save disk space). Is it available on any site?
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