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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 526
Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 16 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 526
Today's Topics:
Can't get anything from the digest
help
Help, Stalker-BackTALK
help:HP Deskjet 500 utils
Installing applications for multiple file types
Looking for Red Output Transistor
Lots of things...
Mac v Atari WP
NTSC->RGB?
People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale)
Problem with user-defined objects and the AES
Railroad Tycoon experiences
Ship program that works with NEODESK
SPECTRE GCR and mac.archive-getting started
STacy specific information
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 10:05:35 MST
From: "Mark F. Rhyner" <mrhyner@huachuca-emh2.army.mil>
Subject: Can't get anything from the digest
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
If anyone had some answers to my question concerning which transistor(s) drive
the red output in a 520STfm ca. 1990 could they email to this address:
mrhyner@huachuca-emh2.army.mil or mrhyner@huachuca-emh8.army.mil as I don't
seem to be able to get the Digest any longer.
SOme kind of hardware and software problem.
Probably has something to do with low bid. ;-)
Mark
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 17:21:25 EST
From: "Thomas Neser" <zeus@zeus3.sozialwissenschaften.uni-mannheim.de>
Subject: help
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
help
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 91 10:10:01 +0100
From: pinstall%bbrbfu60.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Help, Stalker-BackTALK
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello Stalker fan,
I have got my Stalker V 3.00 last week. The first BackTALK script I write
give me problems. I have write a small script to prove it, but
I don't know if other configuration (computer, TOS, language)
it have the same behaviour.
When I run the enclosed script compiled in STalker the "time_out" (cf
pg 106) doesn't seems to be effective. The script doesn't wait for the
prompt. That doesn't seems to be normal to me.
This is very, very annoying.
// Modified script from p 21 Advanced BackTALK Tutorial, Getting started.
function main()
wait_for("Name?",0);
printf("myname\r\n");
wait_for("word:",0);
printf("myword\r\n");
endfunction
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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 91 18:51
From: "heinZ Zerbes"
<UJ12%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: help:HP Deskjet 500 utils
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A couple of days ago, I bought an HP Deskjet 500. But there came no
software for my ST with it. Could anyone out there post some hints,
where I can find the necessary (and useful) programs for this printer ?
Many thanks in advance.........................................heinZ
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 91 13:52:33 CDT
From: Mike Dorman <MDORMAN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject: Installing applications for multiple file types
To: Atari List <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
You can install applications for multiple filetypes, just by editing the
desktop.inf file. Install for one application, and then save the desktop,
and then use any ASCII editor to edit the file. Find the line that
referenced the application that you just installed (the "@"'s and such are
*very* important), copy it, and change the last bit, the "*.TXT" line, for
instance, to whatever other doc type you want installed, say, "*.DOC".
Save the file and reboot.
There is a picture viewer out ther (VIEW, I think is the name) that has an
installation facility that does this for you, for all the file types it
recognizes. Pretty nifty.
Mike.
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 22:50:20 MST
From: "Mark F. Rhyner" <mrhyner@huachuca-emh2.army.mil>
Subject: Looking for Red Output Transistor
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm still having problems with my 520STFm. I upgraded it quite awhile ago with
a JRI 4 meg board. The 4 megs are great and work fine. But after installing
the board, I found I had lost all reds! When I move the red slider in the
control panel there is no change in the screen. I was using a Mitsubishi TV
for color along with a mono Atari monitor. I'm now using a NEC3D for both color
and mono so I know it's not the RF modulator.
I talked to John Russel and he thought it most likely that the red output
transistor was somehow munged up. They all look ok when I take the board that
plugs
into the video shifter out.
I have a schematic that came with my developer's kit but it is ancient history.
I'd like to replace it just to make sure. Anyone got a clue as to which is
which?
Thanks
Mark
mrhyner@huachuca-emh2.army.mil
DSN:879-7440
COMM: (602) 538-7440
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 91 17:03:32 CDT
From: Mike Dorman <MDORMAN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject: Lots of things...
To: Atari List <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
I've got a list of questions for people who are familiar with GNU C and
Emacs, and the MiNT-aware port of BASH:
First--Is there any way I can actually set the environment variable
GCC-EXEC-PREFIX under BASH? I have tried a zillion different ways of
quoting the variable, but it just can't seem to be convinced that that is
a valid variable, and as a result, I can't seem to use GCC. Is there any
workaround for this?
Next--Is there any documentation for Emacs' elisp? Using the version found
in the file ++jrbemacs.zoo on atari.archive, I consistently get a report that
there's a problem with one of the init files. Since I have no idea what I'm
looking for, I have no way to find it.
Also--is there any easy way to rebind keys for Emacs? Switching around the
backspace and delete keys and such is starting to annoy.
And more--is there any particular reason that the binaries have to be built
with the lib sources included with the program? That seems wierd to me, since
we're trying to move to one standard library (witness the gradual mergeing of
the MiNT and GNU libraries).
Has anyone done a port of 18.5.7? Is it, by chance, a bit more TOS friendly?
Is the port of GNU make 3.60 any sort of official release? It states in the
FSF documentation that it's a beta--what is the status of make 3.6?
Is there any easy way to go from .texinfo files to a line printer? I don't
need all the neat stuff that a full-up TeX station would give me, and I don't
have a laser printer, so I don't think it's a good idea to try, but I would
like to use .texinfo stuff, and get that output to a line printer.
Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 15:52:25 BST
From: "D." Summerbell
<d-summer@national-institute-for-medical-research.mrc.ac.uk>
Subject: Mac v Atari WP
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
David Butler replies to David Halliday:
DH
>>I am thinking of buying a new ST Wordprocessor (I currently use First
>>Word) what do you recommend bearing in mind that I would like it to be
>>MS Word compatible.
DB
> As far as I know there is no ST wordprocessor that is compatible with and Mac
>word processor except through text files. Why get an ST wordprocessor if you
>have the GCR? Wordprocessing is one area in which the Mac really shines, beats
>the ST software hands-down. Try Write Now or Nisus, Write Now is faster and
>less complex, but Nisus has features to blow your mind (far better than MSWord,
>and it does write MSWord files). Really, these are as far above ST word
>processors as an ST is above a calculator (a cheap one anyway).
I might have agreed with David up until a few weeeks ago. I have Spectre but
still tended to use First Word Plus in ST mode because of the superior perfor-
mance of TOS (using Neodesk as a user interface). Nevertheless I still coveted
the multiple fonts and proportional spacing of the Mac. I bought several "se-
cond generation" WP packages as they became available but was always disappoin-
ted. Recently a colleague bought Write-On (Compo Software). I borrowed it and
liked it and have just bought its big brother That's Write. I much prefer it to
the Mac software that I have tried. (My wife is a Mac User). I haven't encoun-
tered Nisus so I can't fairly compare it with TW. However I strongly recommend
the latter. Write-On competes happily with the simpler Mac packages and That's
Write has the bells and whistles.
WO retails at about 45.00 Sterling
TW retails at about 80.00 Sterling
Write-Now retails at about 120.00 Sterling
Nisus I couldn't find an ad.
Anyone interested I have a (growing) summary list of ST WP software.
Dr.D.Summerbell INTERNET: d-summer@nimr.mrc.ac.uk
Limb Development Group or: d-summer%nimr.mrc.ac.uk@earn-relay
Nat. Inst. Medical Research DARPA:d-summerbell%nimr.mrc@nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk
The Ridgeway, Mill Hill JANET: d-summer@uk.ac.mrc.nimr
LONDON NW7 1AA Tel: 081-959 3666 ext2366
U.K.
The short Internet address does not always work from the US
Indirection via earn-relay is more reliable
nimr is an unofficial alibi, some nodes do not have it in their YP.
Real address is: @national-institute-for-medical-research.mrc.ac.uk
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 91 08:28:47 -0400
From: marks@AIVAX.RL.AF.MIL (David Marks)
Subject: NTSC->RGB?
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
[Note: I am not [yet] an INFO-ATARI16 reader, so apologies if this just came up.
Also, of course, please respond directly to me e-mail address. ]
Has anyone seen/used an NTSC->RGB converter that works with the Atari
1224 Color Monitor? I don't need a genlock capability to position the
video image on the screen in conjunction with a computer generated RGB image,
I just want to be able to use the Atari Color Monitor with a VCR to watch
some class videotapes and let my wife & son watch the household TV.
Dave Marks
Rome Laboratory
marks@aivax.rl.af.mil
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Date: 3 Oct 91 23:24:59 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!widener!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!att!linac!uwm.edu!cs.
utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bunyi
p.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe! (Warwick Allison)
Subject: People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Oct2.143825.26339@philce.ce.philips.nl> meulenbr@nlvs31.ce.philips.nl
(Frans Meulenbroeks) writes:
>TT ram is faster than the (regular) ST ram. This is due to the
>fact that the processor is slowed down by the video hardware when
>accessing ST ram. The video can only live in ST ram, and every 250 ns
>or so the video accesses the ST ram.
This is true? Then if a program Mallocs memory for use as a displayable
screen, it will have to malloc from ST ram, right? How does one ensure
this?
Worried,
Warwick.
--
_-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
/ * <-- Computer Science Department,
\_.-._/ University of Queensland,
v Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 04:57:39 PDT
From: sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com
Subject: Problem with user-defined objects and the AES
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
This is a question for all you GEM experts out there...
I'm having a problem with user-defined objects in GEM. I have written
a small utility, that when given an IBOX's ID, will patch the object,
so that it 'turns' it into a user-defined object. It does this simply
by patching the ob_spec of the object to the address of my USERBLK,
containing my object handler and changing the object type to G_USERDEF
(or whatever your gem headers call it).
Logically it seems fine, but when I come to display the 'fixed' tree
with objc_draw, the AES appears to run out of stack space (my object
handler isn't even called!). I am missing something? - Code available
on request.
Thanks,
-Steve Goldthorpe
P.S. Sorry if this appears twice, but the original post seems to have
bounced (so this is a resend to a different address).
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 91 01:49:34 PDT
From: boyce@sifvs3.SINet.SLB.COM (David Boyce)
Subject: Railroad Tycoon experiences
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Yup, I've had problems too....
First thing is that the installation to hard disk doesn't work properly.
I had to manually copy the files over to a \railroad directory, overwriting
files as necessary.
Second problem is the mouse. The game can't be played with it, since it
crashes if the mouse touches the bottom of the screen! (Heavy bummer...)
I've tried all sorts of things, like leaving the mouse alone till I've
got past the protection, but nothing helps. I'm having to use the program
with keyboard only which isn't too bad, but it makes moving around
pretty tedious.....
I haven't seen any other real problems with the game.
I've got a 4Mb STFM, with UK Rainbow TOS.
- Dave
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 91 15:50:37 ADT
From: Alyre CHIASSON <CHIASSA%UDEM@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca>
Subject: Ship program that works with NEODESK
To: N <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
I have just installed NEODESK-really great. However, the
ship program I have to park my MEGAFILE 30 results in NEODESK
trying to reload. Is there a program that will park the heads
and halt excution of all other program and operate under
NEODESK.
Thanks
CHIASSA@UMONCTON.CA
.
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 91 10:53:39 ADT
From: Alyre CHIASSON <CHIASSA%UDEM@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca>
Subject: SPECTRE GCR and mac.archive-getting started
To: N <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Having just obtained Spectre GCR I though I would have a look
at the mac.archive at umich. A help command got me all
the index files but it is not evident how to obtain the
initial file to uuencode the files(BinHEX 4.0). Everthing in
the index file already seems to be in hdx form. Secondly,
what is the compression used "stuffit"?
Thanks
CHIASSA@UMONCTON.CA
.
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 91 13:37
From: "Thomas Koenig"
<UI0T%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: STacy specific information
To: Info-Atari16 Discussion <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
A friend of mine owns a STacy, and he would dearly like to
have some information about it.
What he'd like to do, ultimately, is to write an accessory
to
1) dim, switch on and off the background lighting for the screen
2) switch the hard disk drive off (reversible) when he wants to
For this, he also needs to know how to
3) establish wether or not this program is running on a STacy
How can this be done?
Any help appreciated.
--
Thomas Koenig
EARN/BITNET : UI0T@DKAUNI2.BITNET
INTERNET : UI0T@IBM3090.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE
X.400 : S=UI0T;OU=IBM3090;OU=RZ;P=UNI-KARLSRUHE;A=DBP;C=DE
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