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Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 15 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 19
Today's Topics:
Atari 1040STfm for sale
Atari Computer For Sale
ATARI TO COMMODORE MONITOR CABLE WANTED!!
Complete Atari Mega-2 St for Sale
Composite ---> RGB question
Drive Questions
fax software for atari st?
hooking up 810/1050 drive to ST
Monitor help needed
PD C compilers for ST
Problems with Word Up 3.0 and Mega STe
Specification for OMTI 5400 needed
Taps for more Ataris
Unzooing big files on one drive
Utilities for HP III laser printer
What to do? (2 msgs)
Which monitors are better??
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Date: 15 Jan 92 20:52:18 GMT
From: ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!news@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Ling Cherd Ho)
Subject: Atari 1040STfm for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I wish to sell my extra Atari 1040Stfm
with 1 meg of RAM
1 internal 720K floppy drive
mouse
2 Joysticks
for $225 + shipping.
Please e-mail me if interested.
Thanks.
..
Ling Cherd
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Date: 15 Jan 92 00:39:40 GMT
From: yuma!haines@purdue.edu (Matt Haines)
Subject: Atari Computer For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Computer For Sale:
o Atari Mega ST4
- Motorolla 68000 cpu
- 4 MB RAM (no 640K DOS limits)
- 30 MB External Hard Drive with ICD FAST DMA/SCSI Card
- 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive
- Monochrome monitor
- Blitter Graphics Chip
- MIDI Interface (In and Out)
- Serial, Parallel, SCSI, and Joystick ports
- Graphical Operating System (TOS)
- Gnu software (gcc, make, ...)
- Assorted Software (games, shells, ...)
- Original Software and Manuals
o $2700 3 years ago, asking $1100/obo
o Contact Matt at (303) 482-7769 or haines@cs.colostate.edu
--
Matt Haines | <haines@cs.colostate.edu> (303) 491-1943
Computer Science Department |
Colorado State University | "Why waste time learning when ignorance is
Fort Collins, CO 80523 | instantaneous" - Hobbes
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Date: 15 Jan 92 16:57:10 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!ukma!aunro!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!tominat
r@arizona.edu
Subject: ATARI TO COMMODORE MONITOR CABLE WANTED!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
WANTED:
Cable to hook an Atari 1040ST to a Commodore 1084S. I beleive this is a special
cable, but if anyone has one they wish to sell, PLEASE E-mail me.
- Tom N.
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Date: 15 Jan 92 17:35:03 GMT
From: nic.unh.edu!oz!k_mullin@uunet.uu.net (Keith Mullins)
Subject: Complete Atari Mega-2 St for Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The following system is for sale:
Atari Mega-2 ST w/ 3.5 floppy
Monocrome Monitor
Colour Monitor
Monitor Master
Acex 2400 baud Modem (Hayes Comp)
Supra Hard drive (30 megs)
Golden Image Mouse w/ pad
Various software
I'm asking $900 for the system but will consider any
reasonable offer. I will pay shipping if the system is bought
at the original price.
Keith J. Mullins
k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu
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Date: 15 Jan 92 16:58:19 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!think.com!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.ne
t!haven.umd.edu!cs.wvu.wvnet.edu!cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu!ms@arizona.edu (Mark
Starvaggi)
Subject: Composite ---> RGB question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello and happy new year to all,
I've got a quick monitor question. Let's say I have one of the old atari
XL computers. It has a monitor port in the back. Now, Let's say I have
an RGB monitor, like the ST monitor. Is there a way to connect that monitor
to the old XL computer. I believe the XL monitor port is for a composite
monitor. Is there some kind of interface that will allow this kind of
connection or can it be hooked up doing some direct wiring of pins from the
port to monitor? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks.
Mark
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Date: 15 Jan 92 12:59:30 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nstar!syscon!mi
ked@arizona.edu (Mike DeMetz)
Subject: Drive Questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The floppy controller in the ST is not designed to operate at the
clk rate necessary for 1.44M Some have boosted the clock rate with
success. There is also a mod kit for using 1.44 drives availble involving
a pc board installation.
IDE is different from SCSI and will not work. You can buy a standard
drive, a SCSI controller and a host adapter or a SCSCI drive and host
adapter. You can probably find some deals on 50Meg and smaller SCSI since
the PC people are moving to larger drives pretty much.
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Date: 15 Jan 92 16:44:25 GMT
From: SUN1.SOZIALWISSENSCHAFTEN.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE!zeus@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (die
Sklaven von Zeus)
Subject: fax software for atari st?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello
Is there a good fax-software for atari-st?
Sincerly
--
Thomas Neser, Zeus im MZES, Universitaet Mannheim,
Steubenstr. 46, D-6800 Mannheim, Germany
bitnet: fs21 at dmarum8
internet: fs21@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de
uucp: unima!fs21
x400: C=de; A= ; P=uni-mannheim; OU=rummelplatz; S=fs21;
fax: +49-621-292-8435
tel: +49-621-292-8473
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Date: 15 Jan 92 02:47:05 GMT
From: psinntp!ultb!ultb!drp9500@uunet.uu.net (D.R. Paradis )
Subject: hooking up 810/1050 drive to ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know how to make the cable required to connect these two??
Or how about making a null modem cable from the 13 pin SIO port on the
8bit to a RS-232 port??
I need to transfer some files between the systems and doing it over
phone lines is VERY slow!!
any help??
thanks
Bob
--
************************************************************************
* Just because I'm a film major | < Net-address > *
* doesn't mean I'm a Spielber-wanna-be....| *
* I'm a Lynch-wanna-be! | drp9500@ultb.isc.rit.edu *
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Date: 15 Jan 92 15:51:19 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!ucsbcsl!fig.ucsb.edu@a
rizona.edu (Hanson)
Subject: Monitor help needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I recently aquired a 1040STf, without a monitor. I thought it would be
simple to rig my own, but I seem to have been mistaken. I have a television
and a composite video monochrome monitor. When I connect the monitor to
ground and monochrome (on the 1040ST) I get nothing. CV similarly gives
nothing. Is there a trick I am missing? Please help me, I look forward to
using this machine.
Thank you in advance.
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Date: 15 Jan 92 11:20:09 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!phigate!ehviea!leo@uunet.uu.net (Leo de Wit)
Subject: PD C compilers for ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <nollert.695327843@nova> nollert@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de
(Hans-Peter Nollert) writes:
|leo@ehviea.ine.philips.nl (Leo de Wit) writes:
|
|>Exactly. This sign bit is precisely a factor of 2, 32K positive of
|>address register, and 32K negative of it. And 32K + 32K = 64K...
|
|BUT - You have to take into account that you might have to jump from the
|beginning of the segment to the end, or vice versa. You can cover only 32K
|in each direction!
|
|Hans-Peter
Therefore the address register that is used for the indexed addressing,
is set up to point to base+32K of the stuff to be addressed...
And 32K in each direction is still 64K!
Leo.
P.S. Sorry, I have some experience with assembly programming for the
ST; this is perhaps too simple for me.
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Date: 15 Jan 92 07:29:34 GMT
From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!mmiller@uunet.uu.net (Mark Miller)
Subject: Problems with Word Up 3.0 and Mega STe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From what I've experienced with Word Up, I think it is an excellent
concept. I got it with my system and I would really like to keep it,
but there are some problems which make me very wary of it, and I am
considering switching to another word/document processor, possibly of
lesser features, if the problems cannot be remedied.
The problems I am encountering are:
- When there is no document open, and I want to open a document, it
HAS to know that disk A is in drive A, otherwise it kind of crashes
(I think it just goes into an infinite loop or something). But I am
unable to do anything else. It just locks up. I can still move the
mouse pointer though.
This does not happen if I have at least one document open. It will
prompt me to insert disk A.
- If I just open and close single documents (not having more open than
1 at a time), things work out fine. But if I open more than one
document at a time, it seems that I have to close them in the
reverse order that they were opened, otherwise the next
time I want to open a document, it crashes with 3 bombs (address
error). I have sometimes noticed that if I have 3 documents open at
one time, and if I alternate between closing and opening the 2nd and
3rd windows, I can avoid a crash...for a while, but eventually I get
the 3 bombs again.
Being a programmer myself, I think I have a sense of what is going
wrong here. It looks to me like Word Up is not managing memory well
as far as maintaining memory for documents that exist in memory, and
loading new ones. I thought that if a 1st document was opened, and
then a 2nd, and if the 1st document was closed, that the 2nd
document's contents would be copied to the 1st's place, starting at
the 1st's starting pointer. This way one could load another 2nd
document without worrying about stepping on another one "somewhere
out there." I get the feeling that the problem is being caused by
something in memory remaining static when it's not supposed to. I
mean, when I do the above operation, the 2nd document moves down to
the 1st document's place in the Windows menu. But it does not
appear, just to my intuitive sense, that in memory the 2nd document
has taken the place of the first. It just stays where it is.
Either that, or else the program is getting its pointers confused. I
don't know exactly what "Address Error" means. Is it an address that
is out of bounds? I have a Mega 1 STe, so would an address beyond 1
Meg. cause an address error?
- In text mode, at least, almost every time I edit a line (inserting
or deleting) it "shaves off" the top of the line below it, and moves
that top part along with the line I am editing. Sometimes it seems
Word Up is able to compensate, by moving the "shaved" part back, but
usually it fails.
Other than these bugs, the program has worked great. I have had no
problems using multiple fonts, using the spell checker, or printing in
the various modes, with, and without fonts (text mode).
I heard a while back that Atari had acquired the rights to Word Up,
and would be selling it someday. Does anyone know when they will be
releasing their version? I assume they have made efforts to make it
more STe compatible. Will they support existing Word Up customers
with upgrades? That question was unanswered the last time I heard
anything about this. I have been wanting to mail my registration
form, but I heard that Neocept went out of business, and Atari got the
rights to it. So I don't know where to mail it.
Is there a patch available somewhere that would fix the problems I
am having with it?
If nothing else, could someone recommend good word/document
processors that have the following features: multiple fonts (not just
those that the printer supports), headers, footers, selective page
numbering (like only putting the page number on all but the first
page), a spell checker (among other advanced features), and is
compatible with the Mega STe (or just STe's in general). Being able
to put graphics in documents is nice, but for me it is just iceing
on the cake. It's not really necessary. Please give company name,
and price, along with the software title.
Thank you,
|Mark Miller, computer science |"I was just thinking of the immortal words |
|major at C.S.U. | of Socrates...'I drank what?'" |
|millerm@mozart.cs.colostate.edu |"What a waste it is to lose one's mind..." |
| / Atari friend! ||| |"If we do not succeed, we run the risk of |
| \/ --- The Mark )|( | failure." |
| World Peace / | \ There's nothing else quite like it. |
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Date: 15 Jan 92 06:21:23 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!status!jonc@uunet.uu.net
(Jon Clarke)
Subject: Specification for OMTI 5400 needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
hschs91om@ap06.rz.tu-harburg.de (Ole Marienhagen - 04121/91726 ) writes:
> I'm using the harddrive at the momentr with the OMTI 5520 with an adapter who
> can be only as a singel applikation at the DMA-port. ANd I want to use the
> OMTI 5400 because the OMTI 5400 is connected to my SCSI hostadapter, and so
> i can use my SCSI drive too.
>
The reason I asked Ole was... I use at CT omti-host adaptor here. I used to
have a 5400 on it but changed to a 5520 and it worked well and now I use a
5527 (rll) for it instead.
_
Jon Clarke o( ) STaTus BBS, The Atari BBS in Auckland, NZ
jonc@status.gen.nz / /\ If that does not work try these address's
Auckland,New Zealand kcbbs.gen.nz!status!jonc or on GEnie : J.CLARKE6
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Date: 15 Jan 92 16:08:58 GMT
From: sae!sae.com!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: Taps for more Ataris
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <kdQrNBK00VAuA4N1pr@andrew.cmu.edu>, mg20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael
Paul Greelish) writes:
|> J&R Computer World, one of the largest computer retail stores in the
|> USA, located in downtown New York City, has all but given up the ghost
|> on Atari systems. After continuing to sell Atari products for several
|> years after they became unfashionable, they have apparently decided to
|> let their Atari support quietly die. When I went there on January 4, all
No $#@$%ing wonder! They only sold the 1040STe for $50 bucks more than
eveybody else. I've been getting their catalogs for years. Their prices
sucked and I never once considered buying anything from them - their
electronics prices tend to 10% higher than the major discount chains and
their software (LaserDiscs, CDs, Tapes, etc) were being sold at list or
near list. They were never in the game to begin with!
Bob Malay
PS Their pricing on MACs suck, too!
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Date: 15 Jan 92 13:26:54 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!fwi.uva.nl!gene!storm@uunet.uu.net (Richard G.C. Storm (I89))
Subject: Unzooing big files on one drive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can anybody tell me how to unzoo a acrhived program(500 K) if
you have only one drive.
Zoo.ttp and the file just fit on the disk.
Is using the file in a ram-disk a solution then tell me please
how to redirect the unpacked files to drive A. If the unpacked files are
written on the ram disk is runs out of memory .
Thanks.
Richard.
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Date: 15 Jan 92 12:55:45 GMT
From: anagld!jwforce@uunet.uu.net (James W. Force)
Subject: Utilities for HP III laser printer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Just purchased a new HP III printer for my Atari 520 ST (2meg) and
am looking for any public domain or shareware utilities that support
this printer. I saw a German utility (on one of my magazine disks)
that allowed the Atari laser printer to emulate an Epson. Sure
would be nice if I could do the same with the HP as some of my software
does not support laser printers. Any help appreciated...
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Date: 15 Jan 92 19:42:25 GMT
From: richsun!chuck@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Menard)
Subject: What to do?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan14.131837.15495@syscon.rn.com> carl@syscon.rn.com (Carl
Kreider) writes:
>I just gave my wife my old 520 so I need something new. What about the
>TT? Is it fast (or slow like the Amiga 030)? Where is the best place
>to get one? Where do you find hardware details (like the Abacus books
>for the 520)? Should I take a current model or wait for the 1.44MB
>floppy version? How much better than a multi-synch is the Atari color
>monitor? Or should I get a Mega STE and a Small 030 board?
>
>It looks a little bleak at the moment since I only have $2500, but I
>have to get *something* again.
For good info on Atari (TT,etc.), I would suggest getting familiar and updated
by
reading some Atari mags. and going to a computer store also. The TT was just
recently
approved for Class B and should be shipping, if it hasn't already, real soon
now, with
the 1.44MB floppy. $2500 is not bleak, BTW - TT's start around $1500 for a base
machine and you can add on later (i.e. - more memory, hard drive, etc.). I know
of
at least a couple of dealers that sell them here in the Chicago area. Also try
Toad Computers (East coast) at 800-448-8623. They apparently have a good
reputation.
I have a catalog from them which is very good.
CUL,
Chuck
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Date: 15 Jan 92 14:07:54 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!think.com!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.ne
t!Sirius.dfn.de!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!mcsun!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!ucacmsu@ari
zona.edu (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Subject: What to do?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan14.131837.15495@syscon.rn.com> carl@syscon.rn.com (Carl
Kreider) writes:
>I just gave my wife my old 520 so I need something new. What about the
>TT? Is it fast (or slow like the Amiga 030)? Where is the best place
>to get one? Where do you find hardware details (like the Abacus books
>for the 520)? Should I take a current model or wait for the 1.44MB
>floppy version? How much better than a multi-synch is the Atari color
>monitor? Or should I get a Mega STE and a Small 030 board?
Firstly.. what do you mean by slow/fast?
The TT (when a program is running in fast RAM) gives about half the
performance of a Sun SPARCstation 1, when processor bound. If the program
does a large amount of work using the built in 68882 maths co-processor then
the performance drops to about 1/4 of that of a SPARCstation 1 doing the
same task.
I can't tell you where to get one.. you could try phoning Atari US to see if
there are any dealers.
To get any docs on the TT you either have to live in Germany and speak
german, or buy the docs from Atari (as I have just done). The problem with
the second source is that firstly it'll cost you about $200 and secondly you
can't if Atari US doesn't support docs only support unless you become a
developer!
The Atari "Multi-sync" monitor is expensive (at least here in the UK, about
450 pounds = about $850US). The only thing it has going for it is that it
"knows" about the TT resolutions and so gets the aspect ratio correct for
them (unless you switch it to VGA mode using the switch at the back :-)).
What machine should you get?.. Well.. what do you want to do with it?
If you want to use it for large amounts of number crunching, then get the TT
or a Mega ST (not STE) with the Gadgets SST. If you just want to use GEM
programs with some speed, buy the Mega STE (I don't think the SST will fit
in a Mega STE).
The Mega STE is probably the more "ST compatible" as it's still got a 68000
in it rather than a 68030.
>
>It looks a little bleak at the moment since I only have $2500, but I
>have to get *something* again.
>
Why not wait for the TT040 due "sometime during the summer", it's supposed
to have "broadcast graphics resolution" whatever that means! This will also
gibe you time to save for it :-)
>--
>Carl Kreider
>
>CIS 71076,76
>Usenet ....!syscon.rn.com!carl
Steve
PS. For the record... I own the following computers:-
Sinclair ZX81 + 16K RAM pack
Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K
Memotech MTX500 (R.I.P. & no-one's ever heard of it!)
Acorn BBC Model B + DFS & 400K disk
Sinclair QL + Trump Card (896K RAM + 2x 720K floppies)
520STM + 2.5Meg RAM + 2x 720K floppies + 84MB SCSI HD (ICD adapter)
TT030 8Meg RAM + 40MB HD + Atari Colour monitor
The only Intel processor in the above machines (which I know of) it the
keyboard/serial port controller in the Sinclair QL.
--
Addresses:-
JANET:- ucacmsu@uk.ac.ucl or susher@uk.ac.csm
Internet:- ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk or susher@csm.ac.uk
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Date: 15 Jan 92 10:53:21 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.
mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger
Sheppard)
Subject: Which monitors are better??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan14.185940.10759@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
singhvk@eecg.toronto.edu (Vijaya Singh (Vij)) writes:
>
> Hmmm... Atari seems to be bringing out a number of monitors.
> I'm currently using one of the old-style colour monitors with
> a 1040ST. Anyone have comments on the newer 14" colour and
> mono screens. Worth the extra price?
>
> BTW: What is Uniterm? Colour and mono resolutions in one monitor?
>
> VIJ...
Well the colour ones are the same brand as the Amiga ones, also known
as a Philips CM8833 and lots of other Badge names, they work, but as not as
sharp as the older Atari ones, as the Dot Pitch is only 0.42mm,
the older monitors were 0.38 or 0.39 mm.
But these new ones do have connections for a VCR, even Super VHS,
they did have separate Chroma/Luminance inputs..
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1992 17:32 EDT
From: MJOHNSTON%COLGATEU.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hey, folks, I realize that my question about CRC errors in Zmodem downloads
was not exactly on the cutting edge of knowledge. It is, however, on the
cutting edge of my current problem, which makes it more difficult to download
all the wonderful PD stuff that the rest of you are out there developing. So,
would anybody who knows XYZMODEM and XYZSHELL well, care to Email me with some
hints on CRC errors? I'd certainly be grateful...
Cheers,
Michael Johnston
MJOHNSTON@COLGATEU.BITNET
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