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Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 2 Feb 92 Volume 92 : Issue 61
Today's Topics:
Ack! My STe is dying! (dead?) (3 msgs)
AmigaFS
Anti-flamewar proposal.
Atari is advertising?!?!!!!!
changing steprate?
Does anyone know...
HELP WANTED in handling forms !!!!
Hermes 1.00 via FTP
Is there a CPX to ...
low-level formatter wanted
MIDI
MIDI out to audio
Modula-2
SIMMs or SIPPs
ST's memory architecture
STOS 3D
TOS 1.4 ROM problem
Uniterm manual
WANTED: List of good Atari Desktop Publishing Software (2 msgs)
why not PostScript
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Date: 31 Jan 92 09:21:11 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!mucs!logitek!alanh@uunet.uu.net (Alan Hourihane)
Subject: Ack! My STe is dying! (dead?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
atilghma@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Adam Tilghman) writes:
>Ack! I'm having serious problems with my STe system. If anybody
>could offer some wisdom, I would appreciate it!
> <<<Stuff deleted>>>
>My Hardware:
>
> Atari 520STe (w/ TOS 1.62, bought in August 1991) - 4MB of RAM
> ICD Host Adapter (original model) + Seagate ST1096N drive
> DEKA PC Keyboard Adapter (w/ keyboard)
> SM124 Mono Monitor
> Does anybody recognize these problems? I think they're serious
>and there's NO WAY that Atari's going to take back my computer under
>warranty :-(... Eek!
Well, I am also having major problems, I have an 520STFM with ICD adapter
(ICD Plus + clock), with two ST1239N (Seagate 204MB), and one of them is
reporting Sense $44 which is internal controller failure, yet when the drive
warms up it works(this may take 10-15 minutes). Can anyone help as this is
my boot drive which is failing...
Alan Hourihane
email: alanh@logitek.co.uk
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Date: 1 Feb 92 06:39:34 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Ack! My STe is dying! (dead?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Adam Tilghman writes:
>Ack! I'm having serious problems with my STe system. If anybody
>could offer some wisdom, I would appreciate it!
>Symptoms: ...
Based on the symptoms reported, I'd try a good memory test program
(MEMTEST.PRG from Supra is a good one) and see if the memory is OK.
One fairly simple thing to try would be to (carefully) remove the
memory SIMMs and reinstall them. (Be careful of the little plastic
tabs that lock the SIMMs in place)
Incidentally.. how do you like the DEKA adapter..? I tried 4 different
IBM style keyboards, and only one would give me cursor keys, and that
one had to be unplugged when booting, or the system went nuts.. what
kind of PC keyboard are you using..?
BobR
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Date: 1 Feb 92 22:14:01 GMT
From: network.ucsd.edu!sdcc12!sdcc13!atilghma@ames.arpa (Adam Tilghman)
Subject: Ack! My STe is dying! (dead?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <53783@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>Based on the symptoms reported, I'd try a good memory test program
>(MEMTEST.PRG from Supra is a good one) and see if the memory is OK.
Where could I get such a thing? I have the "memtest" that's
available on atari.archive, and everything checks out OK. Before I
moved to San Diego I never had to deal with static electricity - and
I'm thinking that I might not have grounded myself once too many
times...
>One fairly simple thing to try would be to (carefully) remove the
>memory SIMMs and reinstall them. (Be careful of the little plastic
>tabs that lock the SIMMs in place)
I tried this, as well as pressing down on all four socketed
chips inside my computer... I'm afraid that if I have to replace a
chip, it might be a bit expensive because they're all
sufrace-mounted.
>Incidentally.. how do you like the DEKA adapter..? I tried 4 different
>IBM style keyboards, and only one would give me cursor keys, and that
>one had to be unplugged when booting, or the system went nuts.. what
>kind of PC keyboard are you using..?
I haven't really had any problems with the DEKA, except for
the occaisional spurious mouse click, probably due to my overly-long
keyboard cable... I just went down to Fry's (the local potato
chips/memory chips retailer) and bought a M-Tek K104 keyboard (it
has the nice AT layout). For a while I was using an original IBM
PC-AT extended keyboard, which was _heaven_, but unfortunately I was
only borrowing it :-(
>BobR
--
==== Adam G. Tilghman - atilghma@sdcc13.ucsd.edu - (619)558-2141 ====
== "Martha, fetch my rifle - thar's another UCSD ECE undergrad!" ==
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Date: 30 Jan 92 10:19:34 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpfcmdd!hpbbrd!clausb%hpbbrd.HP.COM@hplabs.hp.com (Claus Brod)
Subject: AmigaFS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>Perhaps you are right when you look at single sectors, but i think if i can
>read track by track, that would be enough to build up a AmigaFS
The WD1772 is not designed to read track by track in a way you would
expect it, i.e. the results are not reliable. So without hardware
extensions, you won't ever be able to read Amiga disks with a 1772.
No way.
--clausb@hpbeo79.bbn.hp.com----------------------------------------------
Claus Brod, MDD, HP Boeblingen Things. Take. Time. (Piet Hein)
--#include <std_disclaimer>----------------------------------------------
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Date: 1 Feb 92 17:52:16 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@arizona.ed
u (William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: Anti-flamewar proposal.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I read in this thread about how holding the right mouse button down
will allow you to launch a program whos folder is not on top. Neat,
but one minor complaint... This is effectivly the same thing as
doing under MS-DOS:
C:/> a:/foo
In other words, if foo needs a startup config file, which probably
lives on a: with foo.[exe|com], it wont find it... I did this
with UniTerm. I had something in A: and UniTerm in B: which was
on the bottom folder, but it couldnt find uniterm.set... OH well
Billy D'Augustine
Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
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Date: 31 Jan 92 03:45:41 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx
1!cpbuehrer@arizona.edu
Subject: Atari is advertising?!?!!!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
HEY! I just got the latest issue of Discover magazine and there's a way spiffy
cool double page spread advertisement for Atari...nifty, eh?
--Dennis
also known as... | HELLO, I'm a signature virus!
krambdej@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu | Join in the fun
Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. | and copy me into yours!
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Date: 1 Feb 92 20:55:00 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@uunet.uu.net (David Hultgren)
Subject: changing steprate?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have connected a HD-drive to my mega-2, it works perfectly but I
need to change the steprate from 3 to 6 ms. (I use a copy prg. to do
that now but I want to do it in a easier way). I dont know where to tell
the ST to change it. The only way I have found is to send it with
EVERY level 1 command to the fdc. there MUST be an easier way to do this!
In short, I am looking for a adress similar to $440 but that also is
read by the OP/FDC
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Date: 30 Jan 92 17:44:14 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!utorvm!ryerson!eeng6801@rutgers.rutgers.edu (THE
WALKING SPIRIT)
Subject: Does anyone know...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
You may try to contact them on IRC (International Relay Chat).
I know that most members of Delta-Force (Daniel, NewMode, Jerker...)
and also some German ST programmers (I've seen the person that did
NeoChrome Master & the person that did SYSMON.PRG (I don't remember
names)). They're usually on 4-6PM local time (German & Sweden)
therefore from N.A. is usually good to try at 9.30AM
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Date: 29 Jan 92 08:47:00 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!sara5!amccca!kuykens@uunet.uu.net
Subject: HELP WANTED in handling forms !!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi there,
Twice I have been trying to develop a shell as an interface to
a TTP program I am working on. Twice I bumped onto the same problem.
I use a form defined in a source file to perform user interactions .
I have two problems :
1. How can I handle an edit field, i.e. how do I set and get
the string's value ?
2. The form_do seems to work OK for buttons and switching
between edit fields. However, when I stand in an edit
field characters entered on the keyboard do not appear
in the field. ALso, in some cases I am not allowed to
place the cursos beyonf a certain position in the editline.
I DID set the text template to allow to fill the complete
box.
Could anybody give me a hint on this issue ? I would appreciate some example
code which would illustrate the solution. If possible please send responds
through e-mail. I do not read this news item regularly.
thanks, Hans Kuykens
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Date: 31 Jan 92 05:10:20 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!mcshh!malihh.hanse.de!pfunk.hanse.de!blackbox@uunet.uu.net
(Michael Kistenmacher)
Subject: Hermes 1.00 via FTP
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello everybody,
I have some good news for all of you, who like to use HERMES (The UUCP
software) on their ATARI ST. Version 1.0 is now available via ftp
on the following sites in germany:
>
>ftp.fu-berlin.de:
>/pub/atari/tools/hermes100b.tar.F
>
>ftp.uni-stuttgart.de, (=rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de):
>/soft/atari/hermes/*
> (the whole distribution disk))
>
>ftp.thp.uni-koeln.de:
>/pub/atari/communication/hermes-1.00.zoo
>
>ftp.uni-kl.de:
>/pub/atari/hermes-1.00.zoo.high
Have fun......Michael
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/------------------------------------\
| Michael Kistenmacher / blackbox |
| 2000 Hamburg 61 / Schippelsweg 64 |
| West Germany / ++ 49 40 552 37 66 |
\------------------------------------/
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Date: 1 Feb 92 12:09:44 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!urmel!
tornado!icemark!sigrorn@arizona.edu (B.E.Heinen)
Subject: Is there a CPX to ...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
I'm searching for a few CPXs for my ST.
- The first should be a cpx that does the same thing as DJ_ON.TOS does...
- the next one should be able to transmit some settings to my Deskjet
(i.e. set top/bottom/left/right borders, font style/size/quality,...)
- the last I'm searching is a cpx to do same same as xlock on XWindow-
machines (lock-screen and wait for passwd). It should be able to auto-
matically continue its work even after a reset or the next power-on.
Yours
Benedikt
--
=============================================================================
Benedikt Eric Heinen, Matthiashofstr. 3, W5100 Aachen, Germany
Voice: +49-241-408592 icemark!sigrorn@tornado.gun.de
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Date: 1 Feb 92 09:25:00 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: low-level formatter wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan31.150421.15680@ousrvr.oulu.fi> costello@tolsun.oulu.fi
(Antti Jarvinen) writes:
> I have a SH205 hard-drive controller with Seagate ST251 drive. I attached
> the Seagate to my *nix-box (Convergent miniframe) and initialized it in
> order to make it work with my *nix and yes, it worked fine, but Atari ST
> with SH205 cannot handle the disk any more. I tried to format it with
> HDX3.02 and I got a couple of bombs. I guess that Convergent
> low-level formatted the disk in a way that ST doesn't understand. What
> I now need is a low-level hard-disk formatter for ST/TOS. Where can I
> find one?
>
>
> --
> Antti Jaervinen
> costello@tolsun.oulu.fi
Yes you have it, its called HDX 3.02...:-)..
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 1 Feb 92 18:16:10 GMT
From: agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!pnet01!trag@ames.arpa (Jim Trageser)
Subject: MIDI
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm writing yet another Atari story for San Diego's ComputorEdge magazine, and
am trying to get a feel for what the most popular software/hardware
(keyboards, et al) set-ups are with Ataris. Also, any comments on why you use
an Atari for your MIDI rather than a PC or Mac. (I'm not a MIDI user; more DTP
and WP than anything else, so bear with me. . . .) As in the past, I will
e-mail a copy of the story to everyone who respons (and yes, I know I still
owe those who helped with the History of Atari a copy, which I'll get out in
the next couple of days.)
Thanks again,
Jim Trageser
UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!trag
ARPA: crash!pnet01!trag@nosc.mil
INET: trag@pnet01.cts.com
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Date: 30 Jan 92 14:10:04 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpfcmdd!hpbbrd!jensk@hplabs.hp.com (Jens Kilian)
Subject: MIDI out to audio
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
/ hpbbrd:comp.sys.atari.st / Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas
Daugustine) / 6:16 pm Jan 21, 1992 /
> Hi. I am interested in a hopefully easy way to take the stuff that
> I record via MIDI on my STe, and somehow pump it thru the STes
> stereo audio out. Anyway I can do this without buying stuff like
> expensive digitizers?
>
> Thanx
>
> Billy D'Augustine
> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
> ----------
Try SMS Synthesizer. In case you can't get it in the US, I can post it to
a.a.u.e (if I can find a way to get the files from my ST onto my workstation,
that is).
In short: SMS Synthesizer emulates a six-channel (4 tone & 2 percussion
channels) synthesizer on an ST. It can be used to integrate MIDI songs into
your programs (check out OXYD, SPACOLA or MIDIMAZE 2 if you want to see
examples). It works on an ST, there's *no* special support for the STe
DMA sound.
The program is free, but the module that's built into an application
is not. You can get it from SMS's author for DM 40,- .
Stay tuned ...
Jens Kilian
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Date: 1 Feb 92 03:03:42 GMT
From:
elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!uwm.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.to
ronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!daily-planet.concordia.ca!agostino@ames.arpa
(Agostino Deligia)
Subject: Modula-2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
Does anyone know of a good pd or shareware Modula-2 system for the ST? Has
anyone used (or is using) the Modula-2 package found on atari.archive
(modula2.zoo)? If so, are there any serious bugs?
Any info appreciated. Please use email. I'll summarize if enough interest.
--
Agostino Deligia
agostino@concour.cs.concordia.ca
It was the best of .sigs, it was the worst of .sigs...
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Date: 1 Feb 92 09:30:39 GMT
From:
elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!ac
trix!Roger.Sheppard@ames.arpa (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: SIMMs or SIPPs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan31.162143.5115@btcase.bt.co.uk> pete@btcase.bt.co.uk (Pete
Harris) writes:
> I have an Atari 1040 STE.
>
> Is there any way of finding out whether my machine has SIMMs or SIPPs
> *without* having to take it apart?
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
> Peter Harris | "The sun struggles up another beautiful day
> usenet: pete@btcase.bt.co.uk | And I felt glad in my own suspicious way ..."
> | - Elvis Costello
Yes use a Xray machine, you can find them in Hospitals and Airports..:-)..
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 31 Jan 92 23:43:30 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!hsdndev!wupost!sdd.hp.com!caen!garbo.ucc.umass.edu!dime!michael@arizo
na.edu (Michael Kieras)
Subject: ST's memory architecture
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <92031.130201ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET> ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET writes:
>In article <1992Jan30.201329.11788@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, carter@cae.wisc.edu
>(Carter Gregory) says:
>>
>>Well, for those of you who DID run, MS Word 5.0, you probably already
>>have had this feeling for sometime now that the ST is for the first time,
>>unable to use MultiFinder effectively with 4 megabytes of memory.
>
>Well. Simply buy a memory expansion board. You can go up to 12 megabytes
>and more on a standard ST.
Could someone post information about memory expansion boards that go
beyond 4 Meg? I'm interested in all aspects; technical, price, ease of
installation, whether they will work in US machines, etc.
Thanks,
Michael Kieras
michael@cs.umass.edu
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Date: 1 Feb 92 19:32:21 GMT
From: apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@ames.arpa
Subject: STOS 3D
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I haven't read much about STOS 3D... can someone give a rundown
on its features...?
I'm particularly interested in the "3D" features.. are we talking
about "perspective" effects or true binocular vision effects..?
Thanks...
BobR
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Date: 31 Jan 92 23:02:47 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!pyrltd!mwuk!tony@uunet.uu.net (Tony Mountifield)
Subject: TOS 1.4 ROM problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Help!
I have just bought a set of six TOS 1.4 ROMs amd tried to install them
in my old 520STM (not STFM). They don't work :-(
The ROMs were labelled H0 H1 H2 L0 L1 L2. The original ROMs were not.
Looking at my circuit, it appeared that they should go in the following
sockets:
U2 = H0, U3 = H1, U4 = H2, U5 = L0, U6 = L1, U7 = L2
where U2 is sort of under the F1 key, and U7 is under the left shift.
Is this correct? When switching on, nothing happens, except the keyboard
LED comes on and the screen goes white. I guess the processor has
halted.
Just in case, I tried it with the H and L sets swapped, although I
didn't try a different order. No change.
i certainly didn't damage the computer, because putting back the
original ROMs works OK.
To check that the ROMs are likely to be the correct ones, could someone
dump out the first 16 bytes of each pair, so I cam compare?
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Tony.
--
Tony Mountifield | Microware Systems (UK) Ltd.
INET: tony@microware.co.uk | Colden Common, WINCHESTER, SO21 1TH.
UUCP: ...!mcsun!uknet!mwuk!tony | Tel: 0703 601990 Fax: 0703 601991
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** Any opinions are mine, not Microware's - but you knew that anyway. **
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Date: 1 Feb 92 22:18:55 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!tamuts!n160ao@arizona.edu (MarkLehmann)
Subject: Uniterm manual
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan30.124317@cs.utwente.nl> vreeken@cs.utwente.nl (Maarten
Vreeken) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>Does anybody know if there is a postscript version of the Uniterm manual
>and if so how to obtain it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Maarten Vreeken (email: vreeken@cs.utwente.nl)
Since the Uniterm manual is in LaTeX, it should first be run through the
LaTeX macros for TeX to convert it to a dvi format. After this, the
dvi file should be converted to postscript with the "dvips" program available
on the atari archive. Then simply print the post script file.
I don't have a postscript printer or "dvips" otherwise I would have
converted it for you.
Mark Lehmann
tamuts.tamu.edu!n160ao
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Date: 1 Feb 92 18:16:09 GMT
From: agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!pnet01!trag@ames.arpa (Jim Trageser)
Subject: WANTED: List of good Atari Desktop Publishing Software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
PageStream is an excellent DTP program; very good at importing graphics
(including scanned photos) and it's HP compatible.
UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!trag
ARPA: crash!pnet01!trag@nosc.mil
INET: trag@pnet01.cts.com
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Date: 1 Feb 92 20:42:36 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!news@arizona.edu (Robert A
Jung)
Subject: WANTED: List of good Atari Desktop Publishing Software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
If you can get it, the February issue of AtariUser magazine (free!) has a
balanced comparison of PageStream and Calamus.
(I don't own either)
--R.J.
B-)
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1992 20:52 EST
From: CSULLOGG@crl.aecl.ca
Subject: why not PostScript
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
One netter asked why applications like Calamus did not support PostScript.
Well from someone who has used Macs with LaserWriters and '486s with
JetScript cards my only answer is "Why should Calamus go to a slow
technology when its output to the SLM804s and SLM605s is so bloody fast?"
Hey, if you want to do production DTP, the TT/Calamus/SLM pathway is the
best, fastest and by far CHEAPEST!!!!!!!!!
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