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Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 10 Dec 91 Volume 91 : Issue 649
Today's Topics:
68000 assembler - any good boo
Atari Mega2 System For Sale
Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
DC?
DMJgif v3.o released, cool GIF converting batch etc!
Dungeon Master
Dungeon Master - HELP
Dungeon Master: HELP!!! (2 msgs)
GDOS Fonts for HP DeskJet
General comparisons
Okami 1.3
Pop Character ST (grin, Macintoshers)
Rufus 1.06 & sz
SPECTRE GCR
using 4096 color palette on the STE
VT100 Emulation on Interlink
WANTED: MC68881, PLCC version
Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product
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Date: 10 Dec 91 00:03:39 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu
!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!topaz.ucq.edu.au!johnso
nc@arizona.edu
Subject: 68000 assembler - any good boo
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <A52077@bn.maus.de>, Klaus_Guhr@bn.maus.de (Klaus Guhr) writes:
>
> johnsonc%topaz.ucq.edu.au @ SUB at Fr, 29.11.91 03:23 in ATARI.ENG
>
> j>Von: johnsonc%topaz.ucq.edu.au @ SUB (Fr, 29.11.91 03:23)
> j>Aus: .comp.sys.atari.st.tech,comp.sys.atari.st
> j>MId: <1991Nov29.135641.9702@topaz.ucq.edu.au>
> j>
> j>
> j>
> j>
> j>Can anyone suggest a good book (readable and understandable) to learn
> j>68000 assembly from? Even if it doesn't fill the above criteria, concerning
> j>understandability, I'd like to know about it. I'd prefer it if it was
> j>specific
> j>for the ST too, please.
> j>
> j>--
> j>Chris Johnson
> j>Final Year B.App.Sc (Computing)
> j>"Just another student"
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
>
> Atari ST Assembler Buch
> Mart & Technik Verlag
> ISBN N 3-890 90 - 467 (in Germany)
>
> ...... but it's only in german.
>
> Otherwise I prefer the following
>
> 68030 Assemly language
> Steve Williams
> Addison Wesley
>
> ISBN 0-201-08876-2
>
>
> Bye Bye
> Klaus
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Klaus Guhr Mausnet: Klaus Guhr @ BN |
> | Marktstrasse 33 Domain: Klaus_Guhr@bn.maus.de
|
> | W-5300 Bonn 3, Germany Phone: ++49-(0)228-48 53 60 19-24 h |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Thank you, Klaus. I'm sorry I can't write by e-mail but it can't be helped.
I'm ordering the book as soon as I can.
Have a Merry Christmas, won't you?
Chris Johnson
Final Year B.App.Sc (Computing)
"Just another student"
I'm Johno's .sig file. What the hell are you?
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Date: 2 Dec 91 02:47:58 GMT
From: yuma!ccncsu!mozart!houlton@purdue.edu (david houlton)
Subject: Atari Mega2 System For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For Sale: Atari Mega2, SC1224 color monitor, MegaFile 30 MB hard drive.
My Mega2 is sitting in the local dealer's shop - brain dead. It's
going to cost me $200 to put in a complete new motherboard, but I'd
just as soon we parted ways. Consequently, make me an offer on the
pieces or the whole system, with or without the new motherboard,
whatever combination you desire. It's not worth anything to me now
and I could use a little Christmas cash, so all offers considered.
Includes:
Mega2 ST
SC1224 Color monitor
MegaFile 30 MB hard drive
Various SW including Falcon, KQuest III, Revolver
Dave Houlton
houlton@cs.colostate.edu
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Date: 9 Dec 91 14:06:04 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!pyrltd!root44!khh@uunet.uu.net (Keith Holder)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <10015@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>Also, other people have questioned my concerns over adding
>third party peripherals to the TT/ASV. They seem to think that
>just because a device is a SCSI device it will run on the TT/ASV.
>Well, electrically and hardware wise it should attach to the TT
>just fine. But what about the ASV's SCSI device driver? Can the
>released drivers in the ASV kernal handle any or all third party
>SCSI devices?
No, I do not think that anyone could validly claim that their SCSI drivers
would work with every single peripheral under the sun.
The SCSI device drivers supplied with ASV will support disks, tapes and
network (Nodem) devices that conform to the SCSI-I/II specification.
We have come across a few devices that don't strictly conform .
Obviously for a generic device driver one could not support every peculiar
feature that a device may have.
>Can it handle any make or brand of WORM drive?
>Can it handle the Sony 5.25 SMO optical read/write drive? Or the
>newer Sony 3.5 SMO optical drive?
No, as far as I know a driver is not supplied for CD-ROM or WORM devices.
>Or the new Digital Audio Tape 1.3/2.2 GIGABYTE tape drives?
Yes, if it behaves the same as a tape streamer.
>these are all SCSI devices, special ASV device drivers would be
>required for each. and then the question becomes, who is going
>to provide these device drivers? Heck, companies such as Word Perfect
>are refusing to upgrade their existing ST/TT products even now. Do
>you think that they will go out of their way to write ASV unique
>device drivers? I think not!!
I don't see why the authors of Word Perfect need to write device drivers.
Surely, only suppliers of third party devices that are not disk or tape
need to posiibley supply a device driver.
>Can an ordinary ASV developer write his own drivers?
Yes, if he purchases the DDI/DKI (Device Driver Interface / Device Kernel
Interface) for the Motorola 68000 Processor family from Prentice Hall and
reads the Atari release notes for ASV.
>Well, if the kernal is like most AT&T
>kernals you have to rebuild the entire kernal to add new device
>drivers. Hence you need source code to the entire ASV kernal,
>which I don't think AT&T would Atari Corp to give out for free!!
Utter rubbish! You do not need access to source code to write device drivers.
However, it does make it easier when you have access to other device drivers
to use as examples, but it is not impossible. In fact quite a few of our
customers have added device drivers to their kernel which is shipped in binary
format only.
To add a device driver to ASV simply requires re-linking the kernel not
rebuilding it. If the driver is a standard one, (disk, tape, floppy, parallel
port, serial i/o, ...) the autoconfiguration software will automatically add
the new driver. i.e. if you plug in a SCSI tape device the software will
auto-magically relink your kernel with the SCSI tape driver.
Looking at your postings, I have found it quite incredible that you
have had the nerve to comment about a product that you have never seen let
alone used. As the original thread of this usenet discussion was about owners
of ASV, I guess that leaves you out from further constructive comment.
keith holder
P.S. std disclaimer; all the above are my personal opinions and not those of
UniSoft Ltd. or Atari Corp.
--
--
<khh@root.co.uk> Keith Holder,
UniSoft Ltd., Spa House, 9 Chapel Place, Rivington St.
London EC2A 3DQ Phone: +44 71 729 3773
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Date: 9 Dec 91 20:48:31 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.e
du!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!uchinews!spssig!bobhays@arizona.edu (Bob
Hays)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Dec9.180820.20496@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
lchd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ling Cherd Ho) writes:
> I don't think using the mouse to replace the keyboard to enter
> text will make life more comfortable. But what I have experience is
> that it is useful when you are sitting beside a poor typist typing on
> the computer and you can use the mouse to quickly amend his mistakes.
May I suggest that for those with physical disabilities such an ability is
very important. Some people cannot use their hands (at least not well) -
for such people typewriters are poor ergonomic designs indeed. Mice sometimes
are easier for such persons to use.
And, who are we to say what is most comfortable for someone else anyway - you
sound like a software designer for IBM (or is that Apple) :-) :-) :-)....
Have fun! - Bob
--
=========================================================================
The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
bobhays@spss.com Phone: (312) 329-3522
Bob Hays Fax: (312) 329-3657
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Date: 10 Dec 91 02:51:47 GMT
From: netcomsv!bryanw@decwrl.dec.com (Bryan Woodworth)
Subject: DMJgif v3.o released, cool GIF converting batch etc!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Subject says all.. features:
batch conversion, selective conversion (convert a certain portion of the
gifpicture), and i think it's a little faster, too..
AVailable now, I don't know why itisn't up, I suppose you have to register
in order to get v3.o. Well let metell you all it is worthit!!
But I'm using anIBMpc don't ask me about it.. :)
--
Bryan Woodworth Mail: bryanw@netcom.COM
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
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Date: 10 Dec 91 04:24:42 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu
!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!lynx!nmsu!huey.NMSU.Edu@arizona.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Dungeon Master
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I noticed you wre having some trouble with a Dungeon Master level. I have the
Amiga version, but I understand the game is the same on all platforms (a friend
of mine has an AppleII GS and the version of DM he had was identical as far as
the layout was concerned). I have a "hint book" which is unfortunately not
right in front of me. I will try to get ahold of it and see if I can answer
your question. Since I just got on this list, what is it you need to know?
Darrell Leland
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Date: 8 Dec 91 07:01:58 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!vlsi!wkuvx1.bitnet!easteee@arizona.edu
Subject: Dungeon Master - HELP
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know where I can look for some good Dungeon Master hint
files? If not, what's the easiest way to kill the knights and the
elemental orb thingie?
..thanx in advance,
______ __ ___ ___ o __ ___ | Western Kentucky |
/ /__) /__ /__ / ) / /__) /__ | University |
/ / \ (___ (___ (__/__/ / / \ (___ | EASTEEE@WKUVX1.BITNET |
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Date: 5 Dec 91 19:31:08 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!vlsi!wkuvx1.bitnet!easteee@arizona.edu
Subject: Dungeon Master: HELP!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I need some help with Dungeon Master...
I've gotten down to level 7 (the HUGE room with ghosts and the little
annoying theif dude) but I am having trouble finding the other RA key(s)
for the Firestaff Tomb... Does anyone know where to look for the keys?
I thought I've looked everywhere, and even started the game over and am
stuck in the exact same place..
Thanx in advance,
Eddie
______ __ ___ ___ o __ ___ | Western Kentucky |
/ /__) /__ /__ / ) / /__) /__ | University |
/ / \ (___ (___ (__/__/ / / \ (___ | EASTEEE@WKUVX1.BITNET |
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Date: 9 Dec 91 22:32:51 GMT
From: ogicse!milton!tymbrimi@uunet.uu.net (Ben Gilbert)
Subject: Dungeon Master: HELP!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, one thing I can tell you to do :
---> Go down!
There are tons of secret doors and stairways all over the place
on that level, you just have to find them and descend deeper, deeper...
It's amazing how much is really down there, I still get confused about
where I am really. But anyway find the doors and stairs, the RA keys are
down there, along with *TONS* of other really cool stuff... (not to mention
some pretty nasty beasties of course...)
-- Ben Gilbert
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Date: 9 Dec 91 15:51:53 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!yorkohm!minster!mjl-b@uunet.uu.net
Subject: GDOS Fonts for HP DeskJet
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Dec8.004509.4144@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
(Christopher Browne) writes:
>Some of the burning questions of the week:
>
>Can one get GDOS fonts/drivers for the HP DeskJet? I got a bunch of
>GDOS stuff with LDW Power, including drivers for Atari SLM, some Atari
>dot matrix printer, and the standard Epson driver. Unfortunately, DJ
>stuff was not included (alas! :-)).
>
>Are drivers available anywhere? Do I need to buy FSM-GDOS? Can I get
>something free (good luck, Chris...)?
In the UK, you can get bubble-jet drivers (including HP Deskjet Plus and
500) from the distrubutors of Calligrapher, Working Title. What's more,
they're completely free.
I realise that this probably doesn't help you, Chris, since you're not in the
UK, but you may be able to get them from the US distributor of Calligrapher.
(Note that while the drivers are free, they are _not_ public domain)
>As a slightly related item, I seem to remember seeing an article about
>some CPX for doing DJ setup. I think it was commercial. Has anybody
>used it?
It's part of FSM GDOS (or so I'm told).
>Do I ask too many questions? Can anybody guess what product I might
>have on order?
No and No.
>--
>Christopher Browne
>cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
>University of Ottawa
>Master of System Science Program
Mathew
| Mathew Lodge | "Baldrick, are the words 'I have a cunning plan' |
| mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk | heading towards this conversation with ill |
| Summer: lodge%alsys@uknet | deserved confidence?" -- Blackadder III |
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Date: 9 Dec 91 22:13:39 GMT
From: ogicse!milton!tymbrimi@uunet.uu.net (Ben Gilbert)
Subject: General comparisons
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <2884@opus.NMSU.Edu> dleland@dewey.NMSU.Edu (LELAND) writes:
...
>Anyway, I for one would be interested in hearing about what is new and
>interesting coming out for the ST. I understand Atari has implimented a blitter
>chip on their new 68030 machines. Is this true? How does it work, and who is
>writing programs that take advantage of it?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Darrell Leland
Well I am not a hardware expert, but I do know that the BLiTTER has been
installed in all the new machines, that includes the regular STE's, the
Mega STE's, and the TT. (only the last one is a 68030, the others are the
usual 68000, with the Mega STE with a 16 MHz CPU...)
I believe that the BLiTTER is automatically utilized by GEM programs
and such (somone else comment, I don't know the specifics), I have seen it
on the Mega STE and the windows really do fly open and shut, maybe this is
also because of the 16 MHz clock speed... Anyway I'm SURE someone else
knows about this more specifically. :-)
Also thanks for your 'peace' comments, it is nice to see someone who
isn't violently slamming other computers or mega-praising their own, all
computers have advantages and disadvantages...
Ben Gilbert... (tymbrimi@milton.u.washington.edu)
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Date: 9 Dec 91 21:37:28 GMT
From: bonnie.concordia.ca!daily-planet.concordia.ca!agostino@uunet.uu.net
(Agostino Deligia)
Subject: Okami 1.3
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
I found out Okami 1.3 (okami13b.lzh) is available for ftp at
uni.passau.de (by way of archie). Unfortunately, I am not allowed to ftp to
sites outside of North America. Would it be possible for someone who can ftp
overseas without any trouble to beam it up to atari.archive (or any other site
on the NA continent). Please?
Thanks,
Agostino
--
Agostino Deligia
agostino@concour.cs.concordia.ca
It was the best of .sigs, it was the worst of .sigs...
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 17:37:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Z_RYMALJL@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Larry Rymal)
Subject: Pop Character ST (grin, Macintoshers)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Sharon L Skwara responds to:
>>How about an ACC that pops open a window (say 4 characters high)
>>and shows all the available characters - and if you click on the character,
>>it will act as if you typed it.
>I think this is a great idea... but for Mac Users not ST ones ;-) ;-)
Actually, this has already been done, but I have no idea *which*
one of the gobs of TSR's and utilities that I have running does it. I've
got *something* that will show me the character set if I hit the INSERT
key while in the file selector. I am using UIS III on my ST but I am not
sure if it is the nice culprit giving me the character set.
Durned if I am going to break out all the manuals and start trying
to isolate which utility is providing this service, but it does work. You
can even construct the top or bottom half of "Bob" in your file name with
this thing.
Unfortunately, this only shows up in the file selector box.
Larry Rymal <Z_RYMALJL@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU> |Atari ST & Mac Users of East Texas|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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Date: 9 Dec 91 21:46:49 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq
.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!marshall@arizona.edu (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Subject: Rufus 1.06 & sz
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <5606@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
writes:
>In <95358@bu.edu> selick@bucsf.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:
>>Just thought I'd say that I just got rufus 1.06 and think it's great!
>>But it won't automatically start up zmodem receive. It used to in 1.4...
>>Hmmmmmmmmm...
>--
> _-_|\ marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris)|ph:+61 7 365 2908
> / B <--+ Department of Computer Science :fx:+61 7 365 1999
> \_.-._/ | University of Queensland, St.Lucia
> v +--Brisbane, Queensland, 4072 AUSTRALIA (The Sub-Tropics)
I was trying to say that I can't get rufus to run as an accessory: i.e
rufus.acc bombs. Is it because I have Tos 1.0?
--
_-_|\ marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris)|ph:+61 7 365 2908
/ B <--+ Department of Computer Science :fx:+61 7 365 1999
\_.-._/ | University of Queensland, St.Lucia
v +--Brisbane, Queensland, 4072 AUSTRALIA (The Sub-Tropics)
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Date: 10 Dec 91 00:15:35 GMT
From: van-bc!mdivax1!mdisea!friedric%mdd.comm.mot.com@uunet.uu.net (Bernd
Friedrich)
Subject: SPECTRE GCR
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone have any personal experience with SPECTRE GCR Mac emulator for
the Atari?
I have a 520ST upgraded to 2.5 Meg and am considering adding the Spectre.
What's the latest software version?
Is a hard drive required?
Is sound supported?
Any Mac S/W compatibility problems? Do games work?
Midi support??
Any way to run color?
Thanks in advance,
Bernd
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Date: 9 Dec 91 19:19:39 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!Frank.Moehle@uunet.uu.net (Frank Moehle)
Subject: using 4096 color palette on the STE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
sslee@micromed.net.netcom.com (Steven Lee) writes:
>Is there a program available (PD or commercial) that will
> 1. Display GIF pictures using the 4096 color palette on the STE
> 2. Display Spectrum pics using the 4096 color palette
> 3. Convert GIF pics to Spectrum format using 4096 color palette
dmj_gif version 2.0 from atari.archive.umich.edu will at least serve point
1 and 3 , maybe also 2, from your list
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Date: 5 Dec 91 09:13:02 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!fub!geminix.in-berlin.de!tertius.in-berlin.de!gaertner@uunet.
uu.net
Subject: VT100 Emulation on Interlink
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>
> I use Interlink and the vt100 emulation is very poor. I was wondering
> if other vt100 emulators have been written for interlink besides
> the version that came with the software initially?
>
> Are there any ST term programs out there that are more user friendly
> than interlink also?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> ========================================================
> Anil Prasad || This space available at
> wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca || very reasonable rates!!
> ========================================================
I've bought INTERLINK when I needed a terminal program. I soon realized
some small bugs which made it not very usefull for me. One of them was
a wrong behaviour when using the EVE editor on VAX/VMS 5.x . I then
became aware of UNITERM, which I'm using now. I recommend UNITERM as
the best terminal program I've ever seen.
Recently another terminal program (OPTERM05) has been posted to
comp.binaries.atari.st , but I didn't check it.
Ralf
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Ralf Gaertner gaertner@rz-berlin.mpg.de
FHI Berlin
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Date: 9 Dec 91 18:59:32 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!csun.edu!kithrup!hoptoad!wet!wet.UUCP@ariz
ona.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: WANTED: MC68881, PLCC version
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
WANTED: Motorola 68881 PLCC 16Mhz version, or faster.
If you have one for sale, please send E-mail.
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Date: 10 Dec 91 02:01:33 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!ugle.unit.no!erlingh@uunet.uu.net
(Erling Henanger)
Subject: Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <2tzZiUVrk8k@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John
Henders) writes:
In <10014@cactus.org>, Richard Covert writes:
[Stuff deleted]
>But John you don't have to buy a TT to run these programs. Buy any
>80386/80486 and add Dell's UNIX or SCO Xenix and you can run these
>programs. Or buy a SPARC or a Mac with A/UX. the presence of these
>programs on the TT/ASV does not justify buying the TT/ASV system!!
>
[more stuff deleted]
>.................I mean, if someone said that the ONLY sw availab;e
>for a specific computer was some obscure PD stuff, would you rush
>out to buy that computer? Especially when the computer costs as much
>as other computers which have thousands of commerically supported
>sw packages for them?
This is great. Here we have a guy who claims to have ten years
experience programming under Unix, calling TeX, nroff/troff, Gnu
C obscure pd stuff. You can't buy humour this good.
One other question, Richard. Do you know what compiler ships
with the NeXT?
And, Richard, do you know what the GNU project people think about apple ?
Infact, they like apple so much that they promise NOT to support apple
unix in their software distributions.
> --
> John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
> Vancouver,B.C
>
Erling.
--
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/___ /____/ / / /| / / Norwegian Institute
/ /\ / / / | / | ___ of Technology. (NTH)
------ / \ /____ / / |/ \____| o Si nei til Intel.
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