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Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 24 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 502
Today's Topics:
ARJ? (3 msgs)
For Sale
Hard drive advice needed.
Looking for STMIDIEX.LZH or MIDIEXCL.LZH!!!
Mathematical clipping routine
Problems upgrading to 4M (was Re: SIMMS from a Mac SE into an ST?)
Question about SST board from GBS (3 msgs)
Rap/Dance - Atari
SLM804
TeX printing to the SLM804
Using gcc/g++ to cross compile for the ST
What to buy next... (3 msgs)
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Date: 23 Sep 91 16:51:24 GMT
From: healy@cod.nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have no argument with cli's (love my Suns), but I do spend a lot of
time in GEM also. I just wanted to mention that there is an acc
available at atari.archive that lets you do grep/ff from the desktop -
it's called datei sucher (data seeker auf Deutsch I think). I forget
the name of the archive but this is what comes up on the acc menu.
It can make your non-cli moments a little easier. Yes it's in German
but it seems pretty straightforward (maybe I'm missing some advanced
features).
Mike Healy
healy@cod.nosc.mil
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Date: 24 Sep 91 01:37:00 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well Bill why not give LZH201E a try, it is Now in English, well the one
that I have is, but then it come from Thomas Quester, you could even
find that there is no need for all your Lharcs programs as this supports
all of the lh formats, and that the bugs that you state could have been fixed,
don't you make mistakes..
There is a PC version of lh5 that I have seen, may be some one could
port that,?.
May be Thomas is not into hands off programing, ala C Lang'uage, I am
a bit that way myself being of a Engineering background.
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 24 Sep 91 02:34:02 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I think you will find that lh5 is now supported on the PC,
I don't know about other platforms, and the LZH201E is now in English..
You can now find all these Thomas Quester Programs on GEnie, as I
uploaded them, LZH201_E.LZH, PFX_17E.LZH and AFX_12E.LZH.
Note: they all come with English Doc's, also to fully eXtact all the Doc's
in LZH201E, you type x -rm lharc.ttp , this will eXtract all the Files
that are packed in LZH201E.
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 24 Sep 91 02:05:03 GMT
From: boulder!horton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@uunet.uu.net (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
ATARI 520 STfm with 1 Meg RAM, DS/DD drive, Battery backed clock,
external mount cooling fan. Excellent condition.
Comes with 400 DD disks with at least $500.00 software
invested. Let say $.40 a disk. Also a 2400 Baud Avatex
modem. With BEST mouse and pad, RF, also includes
one extra spare internal drive. Includes BOOKS, mags,
manuals, original boxes.
ALL for $425.00. (originally paid: too much!)
ICD FAST with Adaptec 4070A and a NEC 68 Meg HD incase in a
Digital 40 Watt P/S, two cables to hook to ST or STE etc...
ICD host manuals and all, Seats perfect under the monitors.
Need $400.00.
I am willing to sell both for $725.00
Or I am willing to sell the HD in parts as long as everything goes,
Example the HD kit (everything except the 68 Meg HD)...$160.00.
All Hardware are in excellent condition, only the 520 is older than
a year old, everything else is about 7 months old.
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Email me: chuj@horton.colorado.edu
chuj@spot.colorado.edu
Thanks,
Jeff
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Date: 24 Sep 91 02:38:59 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Hard drive advice needed.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep23.023855.28257@acsu.buffalo.edu> chu@acsu.buffalo.edu (john
c chu) writes:
> I just got my E. Arthur Brown Catalog and in it are several entries
> about Supra's 52 Meg hard drive which has an 11(?!)ms access time. Can
> anyone tell me anything about this drive? Would I be better off
> putting together my own drive rather than getting this?
>
> Please reply by e-mail. Thanks!
>
> john
> chu@acsu.buffalo.edu
These are good drives, but I think you will find that these are a Run Out,
Supra are no longer into Atari Drives.
Also I have seen quoted that Supra does not not support there drives on
the STE, so Please test them out first..
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 24 Sep 91 00:59:55 GMT
From:
europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!udel!sbcs.sunysb.edu!csws9.ic.sunysb.edu!
mrose@uunet.uu.net (Michael Rose)
Subject: Looking for STMIDIEX.LZH or MIDIEXCL.LZH!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hiya!!!
Well, once again I am posting to see if anyone has the above
program. It is called STMIDIEX or MIDIEXCL.LZH. It was mentioned in
ZNET Software Shelf #91-34. I really need this program. It will store
system exclusive files from midi devices. If anyone has these programs
or something else that does the same, please E-mail me and let me know
where to find them. Please!!! Please!!! Please!!! Thanks!!!
Also, does anyone know anything about WINXV13.LZH, also mentioned in
ZNET #91-34. It supposedly lets you open up to 127 windows at once, instead
of the limit of seven. Is it any good? Where can I find this too?
Thanks a lot!!!
Sincerely,
Michael Rose
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Date: 24 Sep 91 02:48:36 GMT
From: van-bc!jonh!jhenders@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (John Henders)
Subject: Mathematical clipping routine
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <27843@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, Bill Powers writes:
>In article <23690@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>, bboychuk@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (The Majestic
Llama) writes:
< request for clipping algorithm deleted >
> There is a graphics book written by Foley and VanDam, which contains
>the code to a clipping algorithm. The book would probably be available in
>many libraries.
>
Other books with good clipping algoritms include:
Microcomputer Displays,Graphics, and Animation
Bruce Artwick
Prentice Hall
ISBN 0-13-580226-1
Procedural Elements for Computer Graphics
David F. Rogers
McGraw Hill
ISBN 0-07-053534-5
Also, the Abacus 3d graphics book had a semi-coherant explanation
of clipping, and the code worked fairly well.
--
John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Vancouver,B.C or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
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Date: 24 Sep 91 00:39:03 GMT
From: waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@decwrl.dec.com (Roger
Sheppard)
Subject: Problems upgrading to 4M (was Re: SIMMS from a Mac SE into an ST?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep20.140034.25258@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu (Chris Herborth) writes:
> In article <1991Sep20.002033.3641@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
> }I don't think the older ST that are causing the Problem, the problem
> }MMU's where fitted to the later machines and have this Part No. C0 100109-001
> }
> }So it could be a good idea to check over the wiring etc, and did you
> }fit the anty ring resistor ?, in the extra address line.
>
> Yep, we made _sure_ we had everything wired in properly before we started
> banging our heads against the desk... Is the MMU with No. C0 100109-001
> the bad one, or a newer one?
>
> To restate my problem a little more clearly:
>
> I have an old 1040STf with 2.5M due to a Z*RAM upgrade. The Z*RAM has put
> 2M in bank 1, leaving bank 0 at .5M... I bought some SIMMs, my friend
> wired them in properly as a 2M bank 0, and it wouldn't work at all.
>
> So we took them to my friend's old 1040STf. He tried to wire them in as
> bank 0. Wouldn't work. So he wires them in as bank 1 (essentially giving
> him the same setup as me, but with SIMMs instead of a Z*RAM card) and it
> works properly.
>
> Neither of us could put 2M into bank 0. When the SIMMs were wired up in
> bank 0, we removed the top address line, essentially fooling the ST into
> thinking they were 256k SIMMs... We booted, and it thought it had 512k
> in bank 0, no problem. The SIMMs are fine, and our STs are fine. We
> assume it's some weird "feature" of an older MMU.
>
> Looking in his parts catalogue, we fine an ST/Mega MMU with part number
> X (I didn't write it down, and the book's at his house). A little later
> in the book, we find a Mega MMU, with a different part number.
>
> Has anyone gotten an old 1985 (whether stock or modified) 1040STf to take
> 4M or RAM? Should we spring for either of the new MMUs to see if that'll
> fix our problems? Should we start looking for a cheap Mega 4?
>
> ---------------=============================================---------------
> Chris Herborth cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu
> 3B Hons English RPW cjherborth@lotus.waterloo.edu
> Disclaimer: This is your brain: "*" This is your brain on USENET: "."...
The C0 100109-001 is the faulty one, the good ones are C0 25912-38 or 38A,
I did see a article on Ram upgrades, it could be the one at achives, or
the one on GEnie, but the funny thing was the Author stated that you
could not have 2 megs in bank 0, but does not state why, The internals
book quotes that MMU settings..
My machine has the C0 25912-38A MMU, and I have 2 megs in bank 0, and
1/2 meg in bank 1...
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 23 Sep 91 17:16:32 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!cs.uoregon.edu!ogicse!ucsd!nosc!crash!pn
et01!trag@arizona.edu (Jim Trageser)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu (Chuck Rickard) writes:
>Does anyone know when the SST board is going to be released? I read in an
>online conference in ZMAG that the board was to be released in the first
>part of August. It's now mid September and I haven't heard a peep from them
>or this newsgroup.
>
>Thanks for any info!
>
>
>--
>
>Chuck Rickard
>(chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
We saw one at the August meeting of the San Diego Atari Computer Enthusiasts
meeting. It ran several benchmark tests against a TT and an unmodified ST. It
was pretty fast, and they were taking orders.
UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!trag
ARPA: crash!pnet01!trag@nosc.mil
INET: trag@pnet01.cts.com
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Date: 23 Sep 91 17:16:34 GMT
From: ogicse!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!trag@uunet.uu.net (Jim Trageser)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>This begs the question, has anyone run it side by side with a TT? I would
>be curious to see how it compares to Atari's 68030 box. If the speed is
>comparable then users could save big $$$ by purchasing Dave Small's upgrade.
It was faster than the TT on some applications, but not on others. Of course,
the SST is (supposedly) 100 percent compatable with ST software, which the TT
is not. As the GBS rep said, too, the TT and the SST are two different
machines with different strengths which can't be measured by speed alone.
But for pure number crunching, the SST looks pretty quick.
UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!trag
ARPA: crash!pnet01!trag@nosc.mil
INET: trag@pnet01.cts.com
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Date: 23 Sep 91 21:08:32 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!ford@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Usher)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
1) Spectre GCR works well on the TT (according to Dave Small), but only when
it works at all. It seems about 70% of TT's have cartridge ports which
are enough out of spec that Spectre doesn't work with them.
2) The TT keyboard is not bad, it's not as good as most PC and terminal
keyboards, but it's a lot better than some PC keyboards and infinitly
better than the ST keyboard!
I hope this is helpful.
Steve
Addresses:-
ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk or ford@tharr.uucp
--
<-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 841503 -->
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Date: 23 Sep 91 17:16:32 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!cs.uoregon.edu!ogicse!ucsd!nosc!crash!pn
et01!trag@arizona.edu (Jim Trageser)
Subject: Rap/Dance - Atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu (Chris Herborth) writes:
>In article <plmn1bk@rpi.edu> dinsmm@aix.rpi.edu (Michael John Dinsmore) writes:
>}
>} I am a member of our college radio station, WRPI at Rensselaer Polytechnic
>}Institute and I noticed a Rap/Dance cd there that might be of interest to
>}the Atari community. A group called "KLF" which is played on the radio
>}often if you are listing to that type of music - usually a song called
>}"3 am eternal" has written in the cover that they use an Atari ST. Nice
>}song.
>} Thought you might be interested.
>
>Last I heard, Mick Fleetword was using an ST, and Tangerine Dream had
>13 of them...
B.B. King was using an ST a few years ago. I'm unsure if he still is.
UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!trag
ARPA: crash!pnet01!trag@nosc.mil
INET: trag@pnet01.cts.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 91 11:22
From: WOODALLP%VAX1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject: SLM804
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am in the process of obtaining an SLM804 off a friend and I have a few queries
1) I have seen this printer under a different name (not DMA obviously), what
is the manufacturer of this device so I can find out the price of their spares.
2) Is Ultrascript commercially available in the states, (or some eqivalent), I
am looking for a PS emulator, preferably one that take TYPE 1 fonts (I
know US doesnt), and also it would be nice to take output from the RS232 so
I can use the Atari as a PS printer to a PC. I think their is a french prog
called GRAFX but I have no details on that either. So as much info as possible
please (inc price).
Thanks, all replies to Net or to:
Phil Woodall
WOODALLP@UK.AC.BHAM.VAX1
WOODALLP@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
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Date: 24 Sep 91 01:03:57 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!wrdis01!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!cordes@a
rizona.edu
Subject: TeX printing to the SLM804
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've just tried using flib.ttp (from the showdvi/dviprint package) to make
pk-libraries of the pk fonts coming with the SLM804DE/DM dvi-printing
stuff. Unfortunately, dviprint then refused to recognize these flib's
(whole series of 'font not found' messages). For example, I used flib.ttp
to combine all the fonts in the mag___1.000 directory into pk0300, and so
on.
Would anybody be able to suggest what might be the problem here? On a
related note, I can't get slm804dm.ttp to produce printer output; it would
be nice to be able to do TeX printing on the SLM804 without having to run
the Diablo driver first.
Thanks for any suggestions.
John Cordes
Dept. of Physics
Dalhousie University
Halifax, N.S., Canada B3H 3J5
email: cordes@ac.dal.ca
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Date: 23 Sep 91 23:25:25 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard
Covert)
Subject: Using gcc/g++ to cross compile for the ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <8895@squire.cme.nist.gov> chang@lurch.cme.nist.gov (Forrest Chang)
writes:
>
> Am I write in assuming that if I get the source of the gnu-ST
>(sounds kinda nifty, I wonder if RMS would go for it) compilers, build
>them on my sparc, that I can cross compile code for the ST by
>specifying "-target ST" or whatever target it would be.
>
> Has anyone else done this? Can I patch our existing compiler,
>or do I have to rebuild the whole compiler (I haven't really looked
>that deep into it yet).
>
> Also, where can I find unix sources for zoo, or does gnu-ST
>exist in tar format somewhere
>
> Thanx
>
> Fo
If you could talk to Jwahar Bammi he could answer your questions.
I believe that Jwahar tests new version of GNU sw on a UNIX computer (not
sure which kind) and cross compiles the GNU C source code for the ST. So,
it is possible to cross compile the GNU SW and generate ST TOS/TTP files
on a UNIX machine.
which SPARC machine are you using? I am still deciding which machine to get
to replace my cranky old Mega ST2+2. I am undecided as to whether to buy a SPARC
1+ (or SPARC clone) with SUN's OPen look, or to buy a Mac IIci/FX with AUX.
I really need a UNIX machine with MOTIF, which isn't the native (primary)
interface on the SPARC. Do you use MOTIF on your SPARC?
Well, anyway, yes is it possible to cross compile the GNU sw and generate
TOS/TTP files.
Good luck!!
--
Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org
CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
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Date: 24 Sep 91 02:44:55 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!gatech!prism!gt1448b@arizona.edu (David P. Forrai)
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <9479@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
.. stuff deleted ...
>Well, I am waiting for the new '040 Macs to come out in Oct. I am planning
>to buya used Mac IIci then as I expect the prices to really drop on them
>after the new'040 Macs come out. And the Mac IIci can be upgraded to the
>new Mac model via a motherboard swap (expensive but an option for later).
>Apple sells an UNIX for the Mac so I can do my UNIX development.
>And unlie Atari's vaporware UNIX the Mac UNIX has been available for
>months (or maybe years) now.
My wife has the misfortune of using a Mac IIci with 8 megs of RAM and
AUX 2.0 (or whatever the latest version is) at work. She is utterly
frustrated by the performance (crashes a lot). They are upgrading an
old Mac II to an fx and she will be getting that machine. She hopes
the fx performs better with AUX.
>--
>Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org
>CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
--
David P. Forrai
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1448b
Internet: gt1448b@prism.gatech.edu
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Date: 24 Sep 91 06:47:29 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@a
rizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <36638@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1448b@prism.gatech.EDU (David P. Forrai)
writes:
>In article <9479@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>... stuff deleted ...
>>Well, I am waiting for the new '040 Macs to come out in Oct. I am planning
>>to buya used Mac IIci then as I expect the prices to really drop on them
>>after the new'040 Macs come out. And the Mac IIci can be upgraded to the
>>new Mac model via a motherboard swap (expensive but an option for later).
>>Apple sells an UNIX for the Mac so I can do my UNIX development.
>>And unlie Atari's vaporware UNIX the Mac UNIX has been available for
>>months (or maybe years) now.
>My wife has the misfortune of using a Mac IIci with 8 megs of RAM and
>AUX 2.0 (or whatever the latest version is) at work. She is utterly
>frustrated by the performance (crashes a lot). They are upgrading an
>old Mac II to an fx and she will be getting that machine. She hopes
>the fx performs better with AUX.
Hm.... A/UX sucks. Some things in life, like wine and cheese,
improve with age. A/UX is more like a loaf of moldy bread...
As I recall, A/UX uses the same scheduler as MultiFinder, meaning non-
preemptive. That's not real Unix. That puts the A/UX multitasking on the
same level of sophistication as Minix on an 8086 PC. (Except you have to
pay a bit more than $99 for *this* toy operating system, and you don't
get the source code. And don't say you don't care about source code; if
you're not a programmer then why the hell do you want Unix on your idget
Mac in the first place?)
Like the saying "computers aren't smart, they're incredibly stupid. They
can't do anything without some person telling them to do it." Or "Computers
are only as smart as the people using/programming them." Too bad the inverse
is not true (i.e., "computers are only as stupid as the people using them.")
As far as computers and people are concerned, stupidity is synergistic.
--
-- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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Date: 24 Sep 91 06:49:39 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@a
rizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep23.175807.9179@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>2 or 3 years ago (Hell, maybe even one!), I would have agreed with this.
>Atari was (and is to a lesser extent now) THE machine to own for MIDI
>use. The built in ports (but not MIDI thru) and a wealth of relatively
>inexpensive software made it very attractive for this and many professionals
>use Ataris exclusively.
No separate port, but the MIDI Thru signal is available on the MIDI Out jack,
you just need a (sigh) non-standard cable to split them out.
--
-- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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