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Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 25 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 45
Today's Topics:
4 $ale...
Atarians! Where Are You?!
CSB: I'm stuck in the DDD
Does anybody know...
Dungeon Master, once again
Forsale -- Supercharger with 8087-2 installed
How do I add icons to icon "library"?
I'd like a CPX to...
Multifinder for Atari-ST ?
New Supra Modem...
Not another AMIGA vs. ST debate!
Questions about TOS versions
Turboass
UNIXMODE
Various ST topics
VORTEX ATonce 386SX for MSTE's
What to do? (2 msgs)
Yet another ST for sale
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Date: 24 Jan 92 21:16:43 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!unogate!mvb.saic.com!network.ucsd.ed
u!@arizona.edu (Ed June)
Subject: 4 $ale...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Two ATARI SC1224 COLOR MONITORS
$100.00, this one needs linearity adjustment.
$200.00, other in PERFECT condition.
WORD PERFECT for ATARI ST
$65.00
ATARI SM124 Monochrome monitor, PERFECT.
$125.00
Ed June
voice, 404-471-6369
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Date: 25 Jan 92 17:03:22 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@uunet.uu.net (William Thomas
Daugustine)
Subject: Atarians! Where Are You?!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
You know, its kinda funny. All these Amiga people bashing Ataris, and
vice versa (and yes, I am guilty on that count). The Amiga people
like to throw numbers around about their machines, but stoop to
just calling the Atari ST a toy computer.
I dont mind seeing comparisions between machines, but youve got
to have meaningful comparisions on BOTH ends. Ive seen a few
articles where Amiga people claim something like:
My Amiga gets 1 million gallstones, the Atari cant even do 10.
(fictious rating, gallstones, but in this point, a gallstone
is something only the Amiga can do)
Get the hint?
Someone also pointed out that the Amiga GUI looked like it was
a hack job... I would like to point out that the Amiga was not
developed by Commodore. Who, I forget, but Commodore purchased
the rights. So chances are it was a hack job by the original
developers.
Youve got to admit, the Amiga has some things I wish the ST had.
Ive a friend whos got a 2000, with 37mb of RAM. Wish I could get
that out of my STe... (maybe with a TT, you could, but TT fast
RAM is expensive)
And dont forget, most of the people who purchased Atari STs
purchased them of their own free will...
Billy D'Augustine
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Date: 24 Jan 92 23:17:31 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!liuida!c90danjo@uunet.uu.net (Daniel Johansson)
Subject: CSB: I'm stuck in the DDD
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
lsmichae@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Lars Michael) writes:
>Help!
>I can enter the way of the ninja. A pit (marked as 1 in the figure
>below) is blocking my way and i can't close it. I tried to force a
>'stone pile' to the floor plate at 2, I heard a click, but the pit
>stayed open 8-)
> # ## ~ upstairs
> #v# ## v downstairs
> # # # O F floor plate
> # 1 2#O O pit
> #~# ### # # wall
> # F B B black flame
> ## #O# ###
> #B#F O
> B# #
> BB #
> ## ##
> #v#
>I have no clue. Any help is appreciated.
>---
> Larry
This problem is not as hard as it may seem. Try going down the stairs
marked v on the map above. Walk ahead to the iron door. You open it
by forcing a skeleton to stand in front of it, then quickly pressing the
button nearby. This should cause the skeleton to be transported to the
other side of the door. Now quickly kill the skeleton. (Throw arrows at it
or somthing, through the door.) The door will open. PRESS THE EYE ON THE WALL
with some transparent object, e.g. a magnifying glass or a gem. This will
close the pit (marked 1 on the map). Just go back upstairs and game on... :-)
Good luck!
+-----------------------------------------------------+
! Daniel Johansson ! Email address: !
! Ryds Alle 15:109 ! c90danjo@und.ida.liu.se !
! 582 51 LINKOPING ! daniel@lysator.liu.se !
! SWEDEN ! !
+-----------------------------------------------------+
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Date: 25 Jan 92 16:25:47 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!@arizona
.edu (Eric Smith)
Subject: Does anybody know...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan24.202951.11296@email.tuwien.ac.at>,
kdv_521@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at writes:
> - Why the gnu 'gcc.ttp' can't run in the background under MiNT 0.91,
> if called with '&' the next programs called can't get a PROC structure
> (at least that's the message I get :) ).
gcc-cc1.ttp, gcc-cpp.ttp and probably gcc-ld.ttp, as distributed, allocate
all available memory, so there's no memory left to run another program.
You can use the 'fixstk' program to change this behavior, e.g.
'fixstk 256K gcc-cc1.ttp'.
--
Eric R. Smith email:
Dept. of Mathematics eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario 7103_2622@uwovax.bitnet
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Date: 25 Jan 92 12:37:18 GMT
From: email!eimoni.tuwien.ac.at!KDV_521@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Dungeon Master, once again
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I haven't played DM for a long time, but if I remember well, you need a
special staff to freeze and kill him... Have you been in all rooms
throughout the dungeon?
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Date: 25 Jan 92 10:39:31 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!yuma!lamar!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: Forsale -- Supercharger with 8087-2 installed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have a supercharger with 8087-2 installed in very good condition, including
the software 1.4 (MSDOS 4.01 disk is included) FOR SALE.
It's standard supercharger (V30, 8MHz, 1MB RAM, DMA connection) with the FPU
8087-2 (8MHz) installed and tested. And external power supply included.
No hardware hack needed, just connect it to your ST DMA port and run the soft-
ware. PC and ST run at same time (supercharge has its own 1MB memory so won't
run over ST's memory space). The 1MB can be used as RAM disk when not running
the PC emualation.
Reason to sell: Don't need to rum MSDOS program now and time to get SST.
Make offer, all offer considered and will accept reasonable offer.
Thanks.
Tang
sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
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Date: 25 Jan 92 11:32:02 GMT
From: email!eimoni.tuwien.ac.at!KDV_521@uunet.uu.net
Subject: How do I add icons to icon "library"?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Is this CPX available somewhere in Europe?? (It's not PD or shareware, is it?)
BTW, could you tell me how I can configure the cachexxx.prg to use a specific
amount of FAT and DIR/DATA buffers when in the auto folder? (Well, I know
I could write a program that executes cachexxx.prg with parameters from
the auto folder, but can it be done otherwise?)
Marinos Yannikos
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Date: 25 Jan 92 12:18:59 GMT
From: email!eimoni.tuwien.ac.at!KDV_521@uunet.uu.net
Subject: I'd like a CPX to...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
There are 3 ways I am aware of:
1. Get the Atari Developers Kit
2. I think the newer versions of Lattice C support the CPX format
3. If you can read German, buy the Atari ST/STE/TT Profibuch!!!
Marinos Yannikos
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Date: 25 Jan 92 12:39:22 GMT
From: email!eimoni.tuwien.ac.at!KDV_521@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Multifinder for Atari-ST ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, I think if you use gulam or emacs you can call XLisp from there, and
have it use the built-in buffers...
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Date: 25 Jan 92 13:26:56 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: New Supra Modem...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan23.185701.13229@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jan22.194723.23878@milton.u.washington.edu>,
tymbrimi@milton.u.washington.edu (Ben Gilbert) writes:
> >Hi, I recently saw an ad in a friend's computer magazine for a new
> >Supra modem, something like the Supra 2400 PLUS, it says it has
> >asynchronous 300,1200,2400 bps (that's the usual I suppose), 4800 bps
> >with MNP 5, and 9600 bps with v32.bis or v42.bis (can't remember which).
> >So can I actually pay the CHEAP $130 bucks for this modem and dial up
> >my school net at 9600 baud? Sounds like a good deal to me, I know that
> >my school dial-in IS this new v32(42).bis thing, someone tell me, 9600
> >baud would be awesome for only $130 mail order...
> >
>
> Um, I think perhaps they are referring to optimal throughput with compression.
> Thus, you could conceivably get 9600 baud every once in awhile (when you
> just happen to be modeming something that can be compressed 4-1), but the
> modem will not operate at that speed all the time. I have found that
> even at true 9600 baud (32000 baud optimal), the overhead introduced by
> the MNP error checking just about cancels out any speed advantage from
> data compression.
>
> --
> ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
> Mickey R. Boyd | "Come to your senses professor
> FSU Computer Science | Fernberg. You did not transcend
> Technical Support Group | the time-space continuum. You
> email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | got drunk in a topless bar."
> ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
These V32bis modems have a line speed of 14.4k and with V42bis it is
posible to get about 20k on a packed file, a UK magazine tested a
few of some high speed modems, the codex one had a tested speed for a
text file of 36k but droped to 20k with a Zip File..
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 25 Jan 92 12:26:35 GMT
From: email!eimoni.tuwien.ac.at!KDV_521@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Not another AMIGA vs. ST debate!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Yeah! I don't know why people always think they own the BEST computer,
they need to own the BEST computer, and they have to convince everybody
else their computer is the best and so everybody must buy it!!
I'm happy with my Mega STE, and if the Amiga has better graphics, and
a multitasking OS, and there are more games available, well,
it would be nice to have better graphics too, but I can live without them,
and MiNT is very good too!! I don't want to say my computer is better, it
isn't, it just fits my modest needs better!!! And of course, since I'm
an Atari user since 1984 (800XL-130XE-520STFM-MEGA STE4) I'm so used
to these machines, that I wouldn't be a good Amiga user anyway!!
Marinos Yannikos
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Date: 25 Jan 92 11:28:38 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Questions about TOS versions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan24.234223.15404@CS.ORST.EDU> thaanuj@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (John
Thaanum) writes:
> Anybody out there swapped the new TOS 2.06 into their old ST?
> How tough is it to install? I'm also wondering how the new TOS deals with
> things like lack of Blitter, only 512 color palette, etc.
>
> Do any of you know if Falcon runs under 2.06? I've had 1.4 installed for
> a while, and my copy of Falcon craps out at the "Insert Disk Two" prompt.
> I like the game, but not enough to justify ripping the cover of my machine
> and popping 1.0 back in every time I want to play it.
>
> So do I get TOS 2.06, or sell Falcon, or just quit asking so many questions?
>
> John Thaanum thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu
> "A better tomorrow takes your best today..." -Triumph
> +--------------------------------------------------------+
From memory there was a fix for Falcon..
One or two games failed with TOS 1.4 because of the way hidden files
now work, one from memory was Chonoquest...
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 25 Jan 92 12:13:42 GMT
From: email!eimoni.tuwien.ac.at!KDV_521@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Turboass
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
.. I just wanted to tell you that your MOD player is great!! How about
a TSR modplayer??
Marinos Yannikos
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Date: 25 Jan 92 16:20:34 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!@arizona
.edu (Eric Smith)
Subject: UNIXMODE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1833@lutetia.cadlab.de>, thomas@cadlab.cadlab.de (Thomas Franken)
writes:
> I wonder why the UNIXMODE isn`t fully supported within the MiNT-libaries of
> the GCC. Is there any reason for the different behaviour of the MiNT-libaries
> concerning the UNIXMODE compared to the `standard' libaries of GCC?
>
UNIXMODE isn't (much) supported in the MiNT libraries because I hate UNIXMODE.
It's the wrong solution to the long file names problem. UNIXMODE works only
with programs compiled with the UNIXMODE library.
The "correct" solution is to put handling for long file names and/or case
sensitivity into the kernel. MiNT has done this by providing new system
calls for handling symbolic links and directory searches. That's why,
for example, MiNT can read Minix style file systems -- UNIXMODE programs
tend to do very silly things when confronted with non-DOS file names.
> Probably it could be a nice idea to use an AUTO-folder-program as a
realization
> of the UNIXMODE so that ordinary TOS executables are also able to share
> UNIXMODE.
>
Exactly. I hear that someone is working on such an AUTO folder program.
It should be (relatively) easy to write a UNIXMODE loadable file system
for MiNT that would have the same effect. I don't have the inclination to
do this (I have Minix file systems set up on my hard drive) but I'd
be willing to help anyone who wants to do it. tcsh uses the new
MiNT system calls for searching directories, so it will be able to
complete long file names once the proper file system driver is in place.
--
Eric R. Smith email:
Dept. of Mathematics eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario 7103_2622@uwovax.bitnet
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Date: 25 Jan 92 19:53:51 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!unogate!mvb.saic.com!network.ucsd.ed
u!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!sail!ec333way@arizona.edu (Winter92
BEACON ec333 account)
Subject: Various ST topics
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I was able to read my first post to the newsgroup, but it seems that either 1)
it didn't make it out to the rest of the civilized world or 2) no one felt like
replying.. Would someone at least respond (from outside of university of
waterloo) so that I know that this did reach the 'net'??
I have several questions: is MiNT at all usable on a 1 meg ST?
Is TeX Usable on a 1 meg ST w/ hard drive?
If the answer to either is yes, would someone PLEASE either send me a list of
files I need, or point me to a file outlining which files I need? I can access
most of the free world through ftp, so I can get the files myself.
I recently got bash-bin and bash-doc (in lzh format) from a.a.u.e...
LHA (on the PC) wouldn't unarchive either one, lharc would, but the bash-doc
file was messed up, and the bash.ttp ran and returned to desktop in 1ms.. Did I
get a bad copy, or do I specifically need to unarchive them on the ST??
Also, I'm interested in whatever happened to Megamax as I have Laser C and am
wondering if a later version is available.
Regarding the 2/6 TOS chipsets - I opened up my 1040STFM, and found 2 chips in
sockets, with the other 4 punched out on the PCB, but 'soldered up'. I haven't
checked the serial number with the one posted here before, but is there a
chance I can get the 6 chipset to work? What is the retail price of tos 1.4
right now?
Or, how much is 2.06 right now for the older ST's?? I have a socket for blitter
on my motherboard as well - does this mean I can buy one and stick it in? Is
there any purpose to this - ie do more than a handful of programs actually use
it? Will it work? How much is a blitter going for, and where can I get one?
I would be very appreciative for answers to any of my questions.
Mattias Hembruch
Please reply to either 1) the net,
2) mghembruch@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca or
3) ec333way@sail.uwaterloo.ca
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Date: 25 Jan 92 11:45:05 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!lise.unit.no!stigvi@uunet.uu.net
(Stig Vidar Hovland)
Subject: VORTEX ATonce 386SX for MSTE's
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan21.164140.143@unibi.uni-bielefeld.de>,
itschere@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Torsten Scherer) writes:
>
> Some facts :
>
> - 32 bit CPU 80C386SX-16MHz
This must be wrong. Isn't the 80386SX a 16 bit processor as the same way the
68000 is.
Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no
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Date: 25 Jan 92 11:18:45 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: What to do?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <_04rcpb@rpi.edu> pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Robert Jeffrey Pinelli) writes:
> In article <1992Jan24.013945.1783@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
> >In article <4f3rxzd@rpi.edu> pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Robert Jeffrey Pinelli)
writes:
> >> In article <1992Jan23.031750.19244@verdix.com> scotty@verdix.com (Scott R.
Chilcote) writes:
> >> >
> >Can you tell me what the problem was , as these machines can take both,
> >the 2 chip set is far better as it has less buss loading..
> >
> >The only problem could be with very old ST's and ones with 2 rom sockets
> >as they can only take this 2 chip set, with out adding the extra sockets..
>
> As far as I know, you cannot pop a 2-chip set into 2 of the sockets on a
> motherboard designed for a 6 chip set. That would mean that each socket
> must be addressed as if it were actually 3. Toad was quite adamant in
> its advertisements about making sure which set you needed (which is
> why I went through the ordeal of opening up my Mega to check!)
>
> --Rob
Sory but this is not correct..
Here are the Atari mother board part No's. that can use 2 or 6 chip Rom Sets..
Megas ...C100501 mega 2..
C100167 mega 4..
ST's ... C070789 1040 ST
C103225 1040 ST
C070243 520 STF
All these boards have jumper options for 2 and 6 set roms..
It is far better to fit 2 chip sets as there is less loading on the buss,
this was also mentioned in some GCR notes..!!
I rest my case..!!
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 25 Jan 92 12:11:06 GMT
From: email!eimoni.tuwien.ac.at!KDV_521@uunet.uu.net
Subject: What to do?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, actually I seem to have only 46.13 Megabytes on my Harddisk (Mega STE)!
But those bytes must be used for FAT's and partitioning data....
Here's something I always wantes to ask one of Atari's system software
programmers:
Why did Atari wait until 1990 to release such perfect programs like
the mouse speeder, the new Control Panel etc., what have you been doing
the past 5 years? Maybe in 1985 the good old desktop was sufficient, but
5 years are a long time for computer systems!!! And about those developer
packages, which, as I have heard can now be bought from Atari in Germany
at about 150DM, if this had been done some time ago, there would be much
more really professional software (like Calamus etc.), which is about
the only advantage the Macs have!! Today the computer buyer expects to
get professional programs for every purpose, even when he chooses a lower-
priced system. I HATE to see programs on my Mega STE that crash because
3 years ago people used undocumented line-a variables etc., NOT only
PD-software!!
Fortunately Atari seems to be on a better path now, but still, the software
you get when you buy a Mega STE (from Atari) is not what you expect to get
with a computer! I'm not trying to compare Atari's to PC-Clones (because
the latter are in fact worthless to a guy who dosn't know what do do
when he runs out of memory, and what all that stuff in the config.sys
means, how to read documents on the disk etc. etc. etc...)
but at least when I bought my Mega STE I expected to get some sort of
backup program (I had heard of Harddisk Utility being distributed by Atari
in Germany) or harddisk-cache!!! Why did't I get cachexxx.prg since it's
Public Domain anyway?? (At least it's available through Internet, though
I doubt the majority of ST Users has access to it)
Also, some more CPX's would be great, a printer installation CPX for various
hardcopy formats on various printers!!
Well, that sounds like too much criticism, but what I also wanted to tell
an Atari-guy (sorry! :) was that I think the Mega STE is GREAT, fast enough
since I don't need to use programs like Windows etc. to get a better desktop,
I was really pleased that the coprocessor only cost me 600 ATS, (%85DM),
that the Harddisk, even though its one of the slowest SCSI's, has transfer-
rates of about 550KB/sec. (which many '386er users dream of!!!) and that
the keyboard is really good, not to mention the SM124!! (and the SC1435)
..And, which surprised me most, that the computer is really 'clean' inside,
a really good design (as far as I can judge that), and it was a great idea
to make access to the RAM's, the ROM's and the harddisk and DIP switches
so easy, just by removing a single screw!!
Actually, the only thing I still want from Atari is a 1,44MB floppy controller
upgrade!!
Marinos Yannikos
PS: Sorry about that excessive verbosity, but I really had to tell these
things to someone!!!!!
Keep on doing that great little programs like the Mouse Speeder!!
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Date: 24 Jan 92 00:16:12 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!sigma!boyd@ames.arpa (Mickey
Boyd)
Subject: Yet another ST for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan23.130048.1@vax1.tcd.ie>, mpnolan@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>In article <1992Jan23.062347.2682@milton.u.washington.edu>,
england@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregory Miller) writes:
>> [..moronic wheedlings deleted...]
>>
>> england@u.washington.edu
>What a plonker!
>What age are you, Marty?
>
> SIX?
>
> YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO THIS GRUP.
> THIS GROUP WAS SET UP FOR ATARI USERS AND OWNERS,
> NOT KIDS WITH THE BIGGEST 'TOY' IN THEIR STREET.
>
> Now leave us alone.
>
>P.S. Is there anybody/anywhere I can complain to about this guy disrupting the
group?
>
Sure. Try "root@u.washington.edu", or maybe "news@u.washington.edu" and
tell them we have a bandwidth waster here. Also, look into "kill" files.
--
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Mickey R. Boyd | "Come to your senses professor
FSU Computer Science | Fernberg. You did not transcend
Technical Support Group | the time-space continuum. You
email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | got drunk in a topless bar."
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
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