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Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 18 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 490
Today's Topics:
ARJ?
Atari Mega 2, Notator for sale
Atari ST, Vision for Mac, D50 editor for ST
Creator/Notator 3.1 Update
GCR doesn't work with TT internal hard disk
HD SALE
ispell - spell check
Looking for term program...
Question about SST board from GBS (5 msgs)
Rufus, newer version - where?
Someone out there *must* be interested in Lisp...
UUCP Program?
Zoo 2.1 (2 msgs)
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Date: 17 Sep 91 17:24:11 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!portal!atari!kbad@arizona.edu (Ken
Badertscher)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
focke@gmdzi.gmd.de (Stefan Focke) writes:
|piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) writes:
|>Is ARJ (or UNARJ) available for TOS?
|Yes. But only UNARJ.
Pity, that. I'd dearly love to have ARJ.
And a word to whoever's doing the port:
PLEASE do an integrated GEM version! The bewildering array of
swiches on the DOS version of ARJ is enough to make me tear my
hair out every time I try to use it! Geez, it's powerful, but
geez, it's also REALLY confusing!
Otherwise I may have to take a few weeks out of my vacation
next summer and do an integrated version myself :)
Seriously, it would be swell to have something along the lines
of StuffIt, based on ARJ, for TOS. Heck, I'd prolly even pay
money for it.
--
||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad)
||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine
/ | \ #include <disclaimer>
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Date: 18 Sep 91 13:48:41 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!midi.enet.dec.com!dan@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Atari Mega 2, Notator for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For Sale:
Atari Mega ST2 computer: 2 Meg RAM, internal floppy drive with
2 30 meg HD's in a single case ("roll yer own project")
Atari monochrome monitor
Software included:
Neodesk, Band-in-a-Box, TakeNote (ear training/music software),
DX/TX Synthworks (patch editor/librarian for DX7 series synths),
lots of PD games and utilities
Hardware in *mint* condition - only moved a couple times. All for $750 or bo.
*******************************************************************************
Also for sale: CLab Notator *version 2.2* (can be upgraded to 3.1 for $95)
The most powerful sequencer and notation software out for the Atari.
Only $250 or bo. (Note: typical retail price for Notator is $500 for 3.1)
*******************************************************************************
Everything may be seen in Nashua, NH.
Send mail to dan@midi.enet.dec.com or call (603)881-1999
or home (603)891-2880 at night
------------------------------
Date: 18 Sep 91 13:56:59 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!midi.enet.dec.com!dan@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Atari ST, Vision for Mac, D50 editor for ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I don't currenlt have access to a workstation and
have not yet set up a character cell news reader
on my machine as I will soon be taking another assignment.
Anyway, my friend has agreed to post this for my. Send all inquiries
to Chad at chad@nutela.enet.dec.com or (508) 433 2108.
For those who tried to call me a few weeks ago for an earlier
version of this ad please try again. I tried to return your calls
or leave a message but obviously we couldn't connect.
I have a bunch of stuff for sale. If interested call
(508) 433 2108 (pepperell, MA). Ask for chad. Or send
email to chad@nutela.enet.dec.com -- I check my mail evenings.
The phone number is good day or evenings. I am just
finishing up my leave of absence and will be off to my
next assignment soon in Germany in Munich.
****************************************
Atari ST, mono monitor, and 24 pin multi-font printer.
1 meg RAM, HD interface (home built), DSDD floppy, SM124 monochrome monitor
(super sharp). The printer is the NEC P2200.
The computer has an external industrial strength power supply (Boschert)
because the original wimp supply died.
Software inlcudes Atari Wordperfect word processor, personal Pascal 2.0
compiler,
microsoft (not sold by microsoft but by the same people) flight simulator,
balance of power game by chris crawford, lots of public domain stuff
and a hard disk backup utility (commercial).
This is an excellent MIDI computer. Has not seen use in a year and a third
as I have bought a Mac.
$550. With a 40 meg HD $750. (HD needs a case but hooks to the
same power supply as the computer -- the power supply could probably
run a lot of ataris and HD -- 25 amps at 5 volts, 5 amps at 12 or some such
rating, I was told it had a worth of $100 by itself, very stable and requires
almost no load).
---------
Vision V1.2 for the mac. Excellent pro-quality sequencer and very popular.
Can be upgraded to V1.3 for $29. I will transfer the studio name to you also
that it was registered under so that you will have full Opcode support.
Sam Ash wants $370 (at least they did a few months ago).
All for $200!
----------------
Steinberg SYNTHWORKS D50 for Atari ST. Excellent editor and librarian for
Roland D50 synth.
$20. If you buy the ST then $5.
---------------
email chad@nutela.enet.dec.com or call (508) 433 2108 and ask for Chad
Chad
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Date: 17 Sep 91 16:56:38 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p
itt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas
Darling)
Subject: Creator/Notator 3.1 Update
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For all interested Creator/Notator users, I have just recieved my copy of
the Creator 3.1 update from C-Lab. The update costs $35; I believe the
program now sells for $325 new.
First off, there's a new graphical arrange mode, using a grid that you can
zoom in and out of (like Hyper Edit). You can use it as the old arrange
mode, or utilizing new cut & paste functions.
Also, when using 32 tracks/pattern, you now have the option to view all 32
at the same time (with all parameters, of course).
There is also a slew of new very detailed and flexible note-processing
functions, allowing such things as global shifts over the entire
arrangement. Since I'm still finding new things to do with the old
transform and re-mapping pages, I haven't really gotten to this stuff yet.
Also added is control for compatible Fostex tape machines.
For Notator users, notation output now supports Calamus and Pagestream
formats.
Also included, naturally, is a new manual.
So far, I've found the 32-track display and the graphic Arrange grid
particularly useful, since I use about 45 MIDI channels spread over
hundreds of tracks. It's now a lot easier to get a grip on overlapping
patterns and patterns that start and end in strange places (fractions of
beats, etc.)
C-Lab's distribution # is (415) 255-2091. I'd like to hear other users'
impressions of the update.
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 91 12:25 MET
From: "Rudolf E. van der Plaats" <VDPLAATS@NICI.KUN.NL>
Subject: GCR doesn't work with TT internal hard disk
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From: vdplaats@nici.kun.nl (Rudolf van der Plaats)
To : Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Subj: GCR doesn't work with TT internal hard disk
At our institute we bought a TT with 8 Mb and Spectre GCR.
Unfortunately Spectre doesn't work with the TT's internal hard disk and
is therefore practically unusable.
----> Has anyone found a solution for this ? <------
Dave,
are you trying to solve the problem ? If you do, how long will it take ?
Thanks,
Rudolf van der Plaats (vdplaats@nici.kun.nl)
Nijmegen Institute for Cognition and Information (NICI)
The Netherlands.
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Date: 17 Sep 91 22:21:05 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!horton.Colorado
.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: HD SALE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In COLORADO:
I still have the
ICD FAST with Adaptec 4070A and a NEC 68 Meg HD incase in a
Digital 40 Watt P/S, two cables to hook to ST or STE etc...
ICD host manuals and all, Seats perfect under the monitors.
Need $400.00.
Email me: chuj@horton.colorado.edu
chuj@spot.colorado.edu
Thanks,
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1991 12:43 MET
From: "Thomas Hantke, KVI Groningen, Zernikelaan 25, NL-9747 AA Groningen, The
Netherlands, phone ++31 50-633259"
Subject: ispell - spell check
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi netters,
Has anybody seen an ST version of ISPELL, the known unix spelling checker? I
could get the sources, but I did not succeed in porting it to the ST. Are there
any alternatives (except spelling all right in the first place)? What is your
favourite spelling checker, folks???
Looking forward to all your reactions; I'll summarize them and send them to
the net.
Cheers,
Thomas
(hantke@kvi.nl)
+3150-633259
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Date: 17 Sep 91 17:28:30 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!portal!atari!kbad@arizona.edu (Ken
Badertscher)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Stalker three point oh...
oh...
oh...
I'm using it right now to write from my desktop to our VAX to you...
gosh it sure looks nice with just a plain terminal window with no
window gadgets, giving me a full 80 columns in a GEM window that I can
still move and resize...
--
||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad)
||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine
/ | \ #include <disclaimer>
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Date: 17 Sep 91 23:26:58 GMT
From:
europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!noc.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu
!umbc5.umbc.edu!chuck@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Rickard; ACS (UGRAD))
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Howard and Chris, thanks for the replies!
I have my 33mhz 68030 and 8 megs of RAM ready for the board! All I need
to get is a 68882 and the board itself....
BTW, do you happen to know what speed of RAM I should have? And, does the
68030 automatically use the 68882 or do the programs have to be written
for it?
Thanks again!
--
Chuck Rickard
(chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
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Date: 18 Sep 91 01:51:43 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!za
zen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep17.215419.21678@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov
(Howard Chu) writes:
>In article <1991Sep17.205708.3903@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>>In article <1991Sep17.205010.20261@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>>>I just saw several of them running at the Glendale Atari Faire. They said
>>>they expect to have production underway in 2-3 weeks. Looks like a real
>>>winner... I brought a copy of Fractint to run, it was easily 10 times faster
>>>when running in fast RAM on the SST. (Ran side-by-side with a non-accelerated
>>>STacy.) Running in ST RAM there wasn't a whole lot of speed increase. If
you've
>>>got programs that can only run in ST RAM it may be kind of bothersome, might
>>>make the thing less worthwhile for you. The only thing I can think of that
>>>would run only in ST RAM tho is a program with statically allocated screen
>>>or disk I/O buffers.
>>
>>This begs the question, has anyone run it side by side with a TT? I would
>>be curious to see how it compares to Atari's 68030 box. If the speed is
>>comparable then users could save big $$$ by purchasing Dave Small's upgrade.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>p.s. The last Gadgets newsletter I got list the SST's price at under $1,000.
>> It makes a lot more sense than buying a TT if the speed is up to snuff.
>
>I wasn't gonna mention it before, but since you ask - considering that the
>SST board is certified to run up to 40MHz, it's pretty obvious to me that you
>can go faster than a TT with the SST. The bare board is $600, you have to
>buy RAM and processor(s) separately. The board accomodates up to 8 MB of
>SIMMs. Sockets for '030 and '881/882, and there is also a processor-direct
>slot. It replaces the onboard 68000, leaving the Mega bus slot free.
>--
> -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
This would really suck if you couldn't put one of those nice SST
boards in a MEGA STE...
Really suck indeed. Most people are dumping thier MEGA ST's for STE's.
I wonder if Mr. Small has taken this into consideration.
I hope so!! I would love to buy one of those boards at the November
show in Chicago.
--Gregory
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Date: 18 Sep 91 03:34:59 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!rose.waterloo.edu!cjherborth
@arizona.edu (Chris Herborth)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep17.232658.4637@umbc3.umbc.edu> chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu (Chuck
Rickard; ACS (UGRAD)) writes:
}Howard and Chris, thanks for the replies!
}
}I have my 33mhz 68030 and 8 megs of RAM ready for the board! All I need
}to get is a 68882 and the board itself....
}
}BTW, do you happen to know what speed of RAM I should have? And, does the
}68030 automatically use the 68882 or do the programs have to be written
}for it?
}
Programs would have to be recompiled to use the '882... Though I think
some floating point libraries are set up to use the '881/'882 if it's
there, otherwise they do (slow) emulation. That's hersay though... ;-)
I think your RAM should be 80ns or faster... 'could be wrong though.
Dave Small found some 60ns 1M SIMMs for about $41 US a peice in a MacUser
or something like that (Mac magazine...). As with the CPU, the faster
the better...
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Date: 18 Sep 91 13:30:49 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnu
s.acs.ohio-state.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>
>This would really suck if you couldn't put one of those nice SST
>boards in a MEGA STE...
>
>Really suck indeed. Most people are dumping thier MEGA ST's for STE's.
>
>I wonder if Mr. Small has taken this into consideration.
>
>I hope so!! I would love to buy one of those boards at the November
>show in Chicago.
>
>--Gregory
This is simply not true. Nobody I know has upgraded their Mega to a Mega STe.
In fact, everyone I know looked at the Mega STe and laughed (have you ever
seen, better yet used the keyboard, what a piece of junk!). Everyone I know,
including myself, with the original Mega's is wonderfully happy with them and
just won't consider "upgrading". AdSpeed is better than the Mega STe 16mhz
68000 settup too, seeing as it will switch, hands-off, at the execution of any
program you set it to, and switch back when you quit. The local store has a
Mega STe they have not been able to sell for 6 months, but still gets TONS of
requests for the original Megas. Whenever they do get a Mega in, it sells the
same day, meanwhile the Mega STe sits there..... Also, the compatibility seems
to be extremely poor. Virtually none of the demos, and a couple of applications
crashed and burned in the Mega STe, even with the cache turned off and running
at 8mhz. All these same programs work fine with AdSpeed. Lastly, ever seen how
the hard drive is held in a Mega STe? GLUE, can you believe it! Take the little
case on the right side of the machine off and just look at how Atari installed
the hard drive, this is why the hard drive is so damn loud (it sounds like it
is destroying itself anytime you do drive access). Wait, one last thing, the
hard drive light is not built into the machine. Ever noticed that the hard
drive light is difficult to see because it is so dim? This is because the
"light" on the Mega STe is really just a hole with a little piece of plastic in
it. It relies on the light built into the drive, which just sits in there
behind the little piece of plastic...now that's engineering for you.
Really though, my biggest gripe is the keyboard, I've literally never seen a
keyboard on a modern computer this poor (it makes a Mac Plus keyboard look
good). Anyone that has a Mega STe should know that you can purchase the
original MEGA keyboards from BEST electronics, and they will work fine...
|| || || - David Butler (dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
|| || ||
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Date: 18 Sep 91 13:32:25 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!c
unixa.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu (Christopher M Mauritz)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep17.215419.21678@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov
(Howard Chu) writes:
>In article <1991Sep17.205708.3903@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>>In article <1991Sep17.205010.20261@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>>>I just saw several of them running at the Glendale Atari Faire. They said
>>>they expect to have production underway in 2-3 weeks. Looks like a real
>>>winner... I brought a copy of Fractint to run, it was easily 10 times faster
>>>when running in fast RAM on the SST. (Ran side-by-side with a non-accelerated
>>>STacy.) Running in ST RAM there wasn't a whole lot of speed increase. If
you've
>>>got programs that can only run in ST RAM it may be kind of bothersome, might
>>>make the thing less worthwhile for you. The only thing I can think of that
>>>would run only in ST RAM tho is a program with statically allocated screen
>>>or disk I/O buffers.
>>
>>This begs the question, has anyone run it side by side with a TT? I would
>>be curious to see how it compares to Atari's 68030 box. If the speed is
>>comparable then users could save big $$$ by purchasing Dave Small's upgrade.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>p.s. The last Gadgets newsletter I got list the SST's price at under $1,000.
>> It makes a lot more sense than buying a TT if the speed is up to snuff.
>
>I wasn't gonna mention it before, but since you ask - considering that the
>SST board is certified to run up to 40MHz, it's pretty obvious to me that you
>can go faster than a TT with the SST. The bare board is $600, you have to
>buy RAM and processor(s) separately. The board accomodates up to 8 MB of
>SIMMs. Sockets for '030 and '881/882, and there is also a processor-direct
>slot. It replaces the onboard 68000, leaving the Mega bus slot free.
That sounds slick indeed. For the price of this board and a used Mega, you
could have a real screamer that costs less than a TT. You gotta love
Dave Small.
Cheers,
Chris
--------------+----------------------------------------------------------
Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing: The only hobby perfectly tailored for
| anal retentive alcoholics. :-)
--------------| (ripped off from someone on the net...)
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1991 13:33 +0200
From: DRAGAN PROTIC <EPROTICD%yubgef51.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Rufus, newer version - where?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi there!
I am using Rufus 1.02 and I really like the program, but there are
some options that I need and I must use Flash (like editable capture, ASCII
upload, etc.). I have read here that there is a newer version of Rufus (1.06)
so I'd like to know where can I find it, and if it's in PD too.
Any info is appriciated,
Dalibor Lanik
eproticd@yubgdef51.bitnet <> Dalibor Lanik, using friend's account
I've seen things u people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shore
of Orion. I watched C-beams... glitter in the dark, near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost, in time... like tears... in rain. Time to die.
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 91 11:36:55 MEZ
From: Michael Burschik <UPP201%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@YALEVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
Subject: Someone out there *must* be interested in Lisp...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does this ring a bell somewhere? If so, it is probably because this is
not the first time I am boring you with silly questions about Lisp.
Needless to say, I didn't get any response last time. I am desperately
looking for a powerful Lisp dialect as similar to Common Lisp as possible
which will run on my TT. David Betz's Xlisp is the best thing I've heard
of so far, but it causes trouble sometimes. I know that Clisp will not run
at all. Any suggestions, anyone? Thanks.
Mike.
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Date: 18 Sep 91 00:44:34 GMT
From: flex!wolf@uunet.uu.net (Phil latona)
Subject: UUCP Program?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
IS there a UUCP program for the ST like there is for the IBM and Amiga?
I'm trying to locate one outside of the net if possible, as I don't think
we will have files available here for some time...Help?
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Date: 16 Sep 91 11:29:00 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu
!yale.edu!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!fub!dobag.in-berlin.de!nicedel!artcom0!hb.ma
us.de!hh.maus.de! (Christian Felsch)
Subject: Zoo 2.1
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Write a Mail to Thomas Quester Mouse HH. He is the only reliable
address for Compressing programs. He did the porting of the new LHARC.
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Date: 18 Sep 91 12:54:38 GMT
From:
europa.asd.contel.com!gatech!psuvax1!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@uunet.u
u.net
Subject: Zoo 2.1
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <A6201@hh.maus.de>, Christian_Felsch@hh.maus.de (Christian Felsch)
says:
>
>Write a Mail to Thomas Quester Mouse HH. He is the only reliable
>address for Compressing programs. He did the porting of the new LHARC.
But definitively NOT the best adress for RELIABLE compression programs,
especially not for zoo. Write to Gereon Steffens (gs@k2.maus.de), he did
a fine TC port of Zoo 2.1 (including ARGV), and most people I know now
use HIS version.
___________________________ cut here _____________________________________
Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
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